AZ talks ‘Doe or Die 3,’ legacy of ‘Illmatic,’ Jay-Z vs. Nas era & shady hip hop industry stories

Summary

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Joe and Jada Podcast: AZ Talks ‘Doe or Die 3,’ ‘Illmatic’ Legacy, Jay-Z vs. Nas Era & Shady Hip Hop Industry Stories

Hosts: Fat Joe (“Joe Crack”), Jadakiss (“Jada”), Joe Budden
Guest: AZ
Air Date: May 21, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode is a celebration of hip hop legacy and realness, centered on iconic emcee AZ as he drops Doe or Die 3 and reflects on 30 years in the game. Fat Joe and Jadakiss welcome AZ to dig deep into his career, his role in Nas’s Illmatic, the evolution and pitfalls of the hip hop industry, and what it means to stand tall after decades of artistry. The conversation is a mix of mutual admiration, hard truths about the business, and hilarious, heartfelt anecdotes spanning generations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Intro & AZ’s Impact on Hip Hop

• Joe Budden sets the stage by highlighting AZ’s pivotal role in hip hop, both as the first voice on Illmatic and as a solo legend (03:37).
• Fat Joe compares AZ’s presence in hip hop to an Egyptian pyramid:

  “You in the pyramid of hip hop. That’s real on a rap level because you was light years ahead of everybody since day one.” (06:37)

2. ‘Doe or Die 3’: Crafting a Legacy Album

• AZ describes the organic evolution of the album, sparked by the 30th anniversary of his debut.

  “I realized the 30th anniversary was coming. I was just gonna, you know, put lyrics, the same lyrics with different beats… And then it just started growing its own life.” (09:16)

• Fat Joe praises the album’s authenticity:

  “Every joint on there felt like, all right, I’m with AZ… This shit is a vibe from A to Z.” (08:27)

3. AZ’s Relationship with Nas and Queensbridge Pride

• On Nas’s rise:

  “I remember the conversations of, ‘I just want to put an album out…go platinum one time…one mansion’—now we here.” (11:16)

• On their recent reunion:

  “He hit me with a text like, ‘It’s now or never.’ That was last year…he kept me with him on the shows, and we made it happen.” (10:31)

4. AZ’s Longevity and Staying Out of Drama

• Fat Joe recognizes AZ’s unique path:

  “You never got into that [IG drama]…you mind your business, you out the way.” (13:09)

• AZ humbly denies internalizing his legendary status:

  “Nah, I don’t sink in…Stay focused. Stay away from the conversation.” (13:51)

5. Hip Hop Industry Shadiness & Independence

• The hosts get real about the music industry’s exploitative practices:

  “It’s like slavery all over again. So the only way to be is your own boss…you don’t need no label for nothing.” (17:52)

• AZ explains the importance of owning masters and partnerships rather than signing away rights:

  “They ain’t signing nobody…it’s like a distribution. So you own your own master.” (17:41)

• Fat Joe shares his own lessons from being burned by labels and the IRS, advocating for independence. (22:22–27:03)

6. AZ’s Money Moves and Lifestyle Balance

• On touring and financial strategies:

  “You get your bag up, cruise control, need a new bag.” (21:43)

• Fat Joe contrasts AZ’s model with his own after a tax crisis, pushing for relentless hustle.
• AZ: “You can pass the 20, 30m. You can’t really stop and do that. I don’t know about 20, 30...” (22:07)

7. Reflections on ‘Illmatic’ and Changing the Game

• On his ‘Life’s a Bitch’ verse and joining Nas’s classic album:

  “I was there just supporting. Yeah, shit just happened.” (61:55)

• Fat Joe and Joe Budden describe how Illmatic raised the bar for lyricism:

  “Illmatic put a lot of out of business…You couldn’t come with that wax shit anymore.” (64:48)

8. Legacy, Lyrics, and Best Verses

• Discussion of favorite bars and influences:
  • AZ references “The Come Up” as one of his best (59:20):

    “The come up know the come up Stack invite, put the gun up, laugh, get nice, split the blunt up Pray blue and whites don’t run up remain humble.”

  • On lineage:

    “Rakim, bro, Kane warmed it up. G Rap turned my dad. …they're my favorites right there.” (60:09)

• On business and music evolution:
  • AZ and Fat Joe share how Biggie’s transition from hardcore to hitmaking (e.g., “Juicy”) changed East Coast hip hop. (68:07–68:54)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Fat Joe on AZ’s consistency and grace:

  “You just a fly, nigga…Never seen you without a fresh cut, without a fly fit, driving whatever’s new, minding your fucking business in the supermarket...” (11:42)

• Joe Budden on battle rap differences:

  “They be getting busy.” (32:32)

• AZ on his creative method:

  “You spoon feed them just enough, then hibernate and come back when they need that fix again.” (39:58)

• Fat Joe’s industry wisdom:

  “As long as we stick to the script and work with our contemporaries, I think more beautiful things can come out of that.” (47:26)

• On major vs. indie label economics:

  “You go on a major, you sell 2 million records, they take you unrecooped…You sell gold on an independent, they giving you $7. You made three and a half M’s.” (54:19)

• Classic studio stories:

  “I was in everybody’s video. I might have had the video on Speed Down.” (74:25)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• AZ’s Intro and Salute: 03:37–07:22
• Making ‘Doe or Die 3’: 09:16–10:46
• On Nas and Reunion: 10:04–11:42
• Navigating the Business: 17:41–18:22
• Tour and Finances: 21:08–23:54
• ‘Illmatic’ Stories & Aftermath: 61:13–64:53
• Favorite Verses and Inspirations: 59:01–60:17
• Industry Scams & Independence: 47:44–54:19
• Legacy & Influence: 68:02–70:15
• Memories about Foxy Brown and Half a Mill: 70:15–72:45
• Vintage Hip Hop Camaraderie: 74:20–77:05
• Closing Salute to AZ: 77:17–79:32

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Episode Highlights & Tone

• Language and Tone: Unfiltered, deeply respectful, playful yet brutally honest. The hosts blend humor and real talk, speaking to both insiders and the culture at large.
• Camaraderie: There’s a genuine affection and admiration between AZ, Joe, and Jada, with each dropping wisdom and candid reflection, making for classic storytelling and hip hop barbershop energy.
• Legacy: The message is clear—do it for legacy, keep your circle real, and don’t get caught up in industry traps.

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For listeners old and new, this episode is a rare look at what it takes to endure—and thrive—at the highest levels in hip hop. If you want to understand the stories behind the music, and what “real” means from the mouths of legends, this is a must-listen.

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Transcript

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[Joe Crack]

Music we learn from that bars of life for big Just four. Just give me four bars.

[AZ]

Let me hear Joe.

[Joe Crack]

No, no, no. I fuck everything up. I fuck up my own. You don't want me Life in actuality. Fuck. Who's the baddest person? Person status tender thy and my mentality is money orientated.

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[Joe Crack]

Let's go. Crap.

[Joe Budden]

That's the closest he got to them? Just over. I'm proud of you.

[Joe Crack]

It's the dawn, the guard all this shit right here. Bow down, nigga. Joe Crack.

[Joe Budden]

You know who it is. Your boy Jada this the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. And we got the pressure on. And we gonna continue on stepping on your esophaguses.

[Joe Crack]

Yo, they said, your man Bill Barr said, nobody want beef with us. Bill Burke, he said, yo, you beefing with. No, you beefing with Air Joe.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that's you.

[Joe Crack]

No, I watched that episode. The said, yo, you beefing with yo Joe. He said, joe, why you come in the podcast? Looking for people on the podcast? He said, nobody got beef with you. I said, yo, man, I just. That's it. I'm. I'm about to looking for smoking smoke. I need some.

[Joe Budden]

Check it out, man. When you think of today's guest, he's another good friend of ours. And don't let that go over your head. Cause I know you want to be a part of and amongst the elite, but you can't. You think of today's guest. You think what it truly means to be an emcee. Know what I mean? Not just someone who raps, but someone who commands the craft. Think about what I'm telling y' all now. From being the first voice you heard on one of the greatest albums ever created of all time, the greatest album of time, to carving out a solo legacy that stands on his own without question. If you know, you know this man has never had to chase anything. Because everything came to him through sheer skill and discipline. The street certified them. Hip hop crowned him. He's back with doe or die 3. One of the most underrated, one of the most smoothest. One who knows how to get low, come back, get the dove, then get low again. He specializes in that.

[Joe Crack]

Talk slow for the niggas in the back.

[Joe Budden]

Completing the trilogy that only a real one could finish. Put some respect on his name, ladies and gentlemen. Az's in the house.

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

Beautiful intro, man.

[AZ]

Beautiful intro. Appreciate it.

[Joe Budden]

Appreciate you for coming to the realness.

[AZ]

Yes.

[Joe Crack]

So what KISS is alluding to. I'm sorry for cutting you off.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, go ahead, brother. You can do a very good job.

[Joe Crack]

This platform is tailor made for guys like you.

[Joe Budden]

I was just telling them that's what's it.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, this shit is tailor made. You know, a lot of these other shock jocks and all that, they with the bullshit. The real stops here. It gets respected. So you looking at AZ went to four podcasts. I know your team telling you to promote. They gonna stop at this one, say, yo, what the fuck? Joe Crack and Kiss Top five got to say about the God az. This is where hip hop stops. And it's tailor made for you. I'm going to tell you right now, I love everybody. It's not too many people I'm honored to have on the platform. I'm truly honored to have you on here. When he's explaining, there's just no way to explain it, right? So, say 2,000 years from now, we don't know if the aliens is here or something, but they gonna come down and say there was a genre created by oppressed people. It was called hip hop music. And they gonna talk about that illmatic, and they gonna talk about az.

[AZ]

That's real.

[Joe Crack]

That's how big this is. So I'm overstanding your presence and what you have done for hip hop. It's unexplainable as shit. Like, you know how we go and look at the pyramids and shit like that? You in the pyramid of hip hop.

[AZ]

That's a lot right there. That's a lot.

[Joe Crack]

I'm telling you the truth. I know what the fuck I'm talking about. You know what I'm saying? You in the fucking pyramid, man. You like, you know, that's fucking az, you know, there's no way to explain this. There's no way to define you. That's real on a rap level because you was light years ahead of everybody since day one, since we heard you. And by the way, this album, this shit, phenomenal.

[AZ]

Thank you.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, I peeped it last night and I peeped it first thing this morning. This album right here is done. Perfect. There's a lot of ways you could take it, you know what I mean? So you say. There's a huge Jay Z interview where he was saying, you know, older guys need to be talking about older shit, this and this and that, or whatever the case. I feel like this album, you stood true to who you are. Me, I'm one of the older guys to sell drugs on my music. Shoot. Your mom's all, I don't give a fuck. You know what I mean? I'm not acting my age. I don't.

[AZ]

That's real.

[Joe Crack]

I'm not acting my age. But I understand what he said. And the thing that's so perfect about this album, you think of rock groups, YouTube journey, everybody when you buy they shit, it sound like you at that same concert in Woodstock or something like that. When I get your album, this one right here, that's what I want to hear. AZ did. That shit was perfection.

[AZ]

Appreciate you.

[Joe Crack]

Every joint on there felt like, all right, I'm with az. Yeah, this, that, that shit crazy right there. Like I told my wife, I said, get ready. We gonna drive in the car to this shit when I get back home. Cause this shit feel too good. I got on the sound system, I wanna hear this shit in the car, driving around. This shit is a vibe from A to Z. So salute on that. Cause everybody can't. You know, a lot of our icons and pioneers fell off when they got our age. Let's just keep it a buck. You definitely ain't lose one flow, one bar, no nothing. Your shit is a one. How did you come together with doing this album like this to perfection? What made you say, yo, I'm picking these beats, I'm gonna do this?

[AZ]

I mean, I didn't think I was gonna get the response like that. Not from you, per se, or from the peoples. But I was working on the album prior. And then I realized the 30th anniversary was coming. I was just gonna, you know, put lyrics, the same lyrics with different beats. I started that. I reached out to Kiss Appreciate you came through on Give Me Yours with Esco. He did that. I did whole happy Jackie. And then it just started growing his own life, you know what I mean? And I just. I stepped into that zone right there.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, man. That Jackie is right. The beats, the selection is crazy that Nas gave you one.

[AZ]

Ah, yes, Esco, yes. I needed that. Felt good, Felt great. No, Feel like a reunion right there.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, yeah, but I've been seeing the reunion. I got Instagram. Like, I've been. Yeah, right, right. It's like, we know that's your man forever, but lately I don't know if you got little casino money or something. You all in the pics. I'm like, yo, what's up? Is it. What's going on? The resurgence? I don't know what's going on. I see. I love it.

[AZ]

He like, you gotta get out the house, man. Come on, let's go.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, he right.

[AZ]

Yeah, yeah, he right. It was time. He hit me with a text like, it's now or never. That was last year. And the end of last year, I was like, okay. I didn't know what that meant. But, you know, he kept me with him on the shows, and we made it happen.

[Joe Crack]

How proud are you of Nas? I don't know if n are asking you that same question everywhere you go, but me, I follow the money. Joe Crack, all about the money. And that money trail right now is phenomenal. So how proud are you when you, you know, Queensbridge projects, I'm inspired. Birth niggas is eating four chicken Wing French fries now your man building casinos and shit. What's that like for you to see with your own eyes and be in the inner circle?

[AZ]

Yeah, I'm inspired because I remember the conversations of. I just want to put an album out. One album. Then from there, like, I'm gonna go platinum one time. Oh, I just want one mansion now we here. I seen it, you know, and he moving faster than I. You know, I was moving. I'm just peeping his style. So when I hit a pothole, I stepped back. He kept going. So that's inspiration all day.

[Joe Crack]

You know, you just a fly, nigga. You know, we got names for niggas like you, you know what I'm saying? I never seen you without a fresh cut, without a fly fit, driving whatever's new, minding your fucking business in the supermarket is niggas like you, you know what I'm saying? They're very rare.

[Joe Budden]

That's fact.

[Joe Crack]

Nah, it's almost like met the man in Belly. Remember how he come through with the average? I'm flying from state to state. You one of them niggas in real life.

[Joe Budden]

That's a fact. That's a fact.

[AZ]

Appreciate it.

[Joe Crack]

No, you one of them. I don't never gotta worry about az. Every time I ever bump into him, he got the new foreign. He fly your crack. What's up, my nigga?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, smooth and move.

[AZ]

I'm out the way. Yeah, try to stay out the way.

[Joe Crack]

That's impressive. Yeah, because we seen some of the greatest of the greats, some of the niggas we knew. I seen a nigga I knew beat the feds four time. He was the realest nigga I ever seen in my life get on Instagram. And, man, he got caught up in the. Suck my dick. Fuck you. Like, he was like, he's responding to. And I'm like, damn. He lost a little strike from, like, being an everlasting legend of life. I'm like, damn, man. That nigga, he wasn't ready for the young Instagram trolls and all that. You never got into that shit.

[AZ]

I watched it. I'm not gonna get it, but I watched him afar. Like you should, right? Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

So you know what's going on. You just like, I see it.

[AZ]

Yeah, I see it. I see the shit, man.

[Joe Crack]

It ain't for everybody, but your shit is like, you know what I'm saying? It's smooth. You mind your business. You out the way. You come out when you want to do, you know, Right? Cause we don't. We don't Know, right? We all kids. We grew up with nothing. And I don't know about kids, but I'm. I still ain't got what I want, and I still keep working for it, working towards it. Do you know how legendary like, do you. Does it sink into you when we say shit like, yo legendary pyramid?

[AZ]

Nah, I don't sink in. Nah, not at all. It don't.

[Joe Crack]

It's crazy.

[AZ]

Stay focused. Stay away from the conversation. I don't talk that much, so y' all gotta talk.

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

I don't talk.

[AZ]

That I need it.

[Joe Budden]

He won't stop. Let him.

[Joe Crack]

I'll try to let you speak. Just throwing tomatoes at me. Yo, let the God speak. Shut the up, Joe Crack. That's in Memphis, that's in Compton, that's in New York. They already on me already. Yo, yo. Won't let the God speak.

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[Joe Crack]

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[Joe Crack]

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[Joe Crack]

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[Joe Budden]

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[AZ]

It was 30 years later. I just got in the game. Like, what's going on? I didn't know what was going on.

[Joe Budden]

It was new to everybody.

[AZ]

That life's a bitch verse got me into, got me to deal. And from there, I was new to it, you know what I mean? And I learned from there. Music was learned from there.

[Joe Crack]

Four bars of Life for Bitch. Just four. Just give me four bars.

[AZ]

Let me hear. Joe.

[Joe Crack]

No, no, no. I. Everything up. You talking to the wrong. I up my own.

[Joe Budden]

But you don't.

[Joe Crack]

Life in actuality. Fuck. Who's the baddest person Status, tender salary. And my mentality is money orientated.

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[Joe Budden]

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[Joe Crack]

Crap.

[Joe Budden]

That's the closest he got to them. Just so. I'm proud of you, man.

[Joe Crack]

That shit. Damn, boy. That's all Master Pill.

[Joe Budden]

You got you this project tied to Master Pill.

[AZ]

Oh, yeah. Quiet Money, Music. Master Pill.

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

I knew, I knew it was.

[AZ]

Yeah, it was a partnership, but I knew it was, you know, Nas, Nas home. It felt good. Like I said, like a reunion. It was easy.

[Joe Budden]

No doubt. Yeah, I see what's going on over there at Mass Appeal.

[AZ]

Oh yeah, you trying to do everything.

[Joe Crack]

What the that mean? Why you always trying to say some you and you trying to see what's going.

[Joe Budden]

Are you. Do your eyes work?

[Joe Crack]

No.

[Joe Budden]

Are you seeing what's going on?

[Joe Crack]

That's the. That's the. Yo, we can talk, perhaps.

[Joe Budden]

They called me already. I don't. You know, they called me.

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

Woo.

[Joe Crack]

That's the perfect fit.

[Joe Budden]

They doing shit over there.

[Joe Crack]

They are.

[Joe Budden]

They understand our texture and what kind of music that we do.

[AZ]

And they doing partnership. They ain't signing nobody. It's not like you're getting signed. You know what I mean?

[Joe Crack]

It's like a distribution.

[AZ]

Right, Right.

[Joe Crack]

So you own your own master.

[AZ]

True. Indeed.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, that's. I mean, that's the best bet right now anyway, you know what I'm saying?

[AZ]

It's the only way right now.

[Joe Crack]

People hold like, you know, this industry's a terrible industry. So it's like when you see Salt and Pepper fighting for their masters, you see this shit, 30 year pushing, everybody fighting for they shit. It's like. It's like slavery all over again. So the only way to be is your own boss, especially somebody like you. We going on the 30 year anniversary. You don't need no label for nothing.

[Joe Budden]

Gotta be all partnerships.

[AZ]

But I've been independent like 04 in Koch, so wasn't doing that much but had to keep it rolling. And he's seen it like, listen, here's the life. Rest, come on.

[Joe Budden]

No doubt.

[Joe Crack]

Well, you deserve that. You know, you deserve everything. To be honest with you, you know, it ain't too many. Nas is lucky, right? Because there ain't too many people you could sit across the chair from that you started with, you know what I mean? And you can look at them and know their true intentions and know like, yo, we here now. But that's my man. A one since day one. And he's loyal like a motherfucker that's in this world, in this life. To have loyalty is fucking priceless. And let me Tell you something, it don't always work. I got a phone call today. Driving down here, one of my mans was like, one of my brothers, like a Nas and you, he was like, yo, something about to come. I need you to stand firm by my. I said, I thought we was over this shit. Nigga, we 50 something. He like, nah, I need you stand firm, nigga. In the pink. Remember when you had this beef? Remember when you had that? I said, yo, you ain't even gotta explain. That's where we're going. You want me to be in the paint with you? I'm gonna be in the paint. You don't never gotta ask. I've been in the paint with you in physical life. You thinking rap life? I ain't gonna be in the paint with you. I'm just like, you know, but it's a luxury, you know what I'm saying? To have that loyalty going, man. Shout out. Digging in the crates. My nigga. Diamond D. Finesse. All of them for, you know, putting me on, putting me in the game and always being the same. That's hard. I know the locks got that.

[AZ]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

You know what I mean? But I got that too, with digging in the crates now. Terrorist car. We had a whole bunch of fucking Benedict Arnold,

[AZ]

nigga.

[Joe Crack]

Come rob the nigga. I'm doing a song with a. Like, yo, my man, let me holler at you for a second. You see that watch? What kind of watch is that? Yo, my man, like Juris call scandalous. Digging in the crates. We all been a. Okay.

[Joe Budden]

You know how important is legacy and longevity?

[AZ]

That's everything, man. I mean, the work you put in, that lasts a lifetime. Legacy is everything. That's why I feel everybody keep going. Some people go for the money. I take legacy. You can pass that down. That's family. That's everything.

[Joe Budden]

You going on the European tour.

[AZ]

Can't wait.

[Joe Budden]

So you're going to some mean spots. Dublin, Paris, London, Berlin.

[AZ]

They love hip hop.

[Joe Budden]

Stockholm. Nice bags over there, too. Nice bags over the water. You wanna do a US tour?

[AZ]

Can't wait for that neither.

[Joe Crack]

Let me ask you something. How do you do it? Right? Like, so, do you make a. You go out, you make a pile of money, and you live off this money till you need some more money. Cause no, no, there's different techniques teaching niggas out there.

[AZ]

Yeah, that's.

[Joe Crack]

That's your game plan, right?

[AZ]

Right.

[Joe Crack]

But Ross, quarter seizure on the fucking airplane. And I know for a fact that that very next day, he was in Paris performing. Oh, yeah, he go for Every bag under the sun. You different.

[AZ]

You like, you get your bag up,

[Joe Crack]

cruise control, need a new bag.

[AZ]

Hit it right on the head. That's it. That's it.

[Joe Crack]

That way you have some type of normal life. You watch Family Feud and shit.

[AZ]

He right. He fucking right.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, you right.

[AZ]

All of that.

[Joe Budden]

That's a nice. That's a nice formula, though. Go load up, get low.

[AZ]

I think, hold up. I think once you pass a certain number, you can't really stop and do that. You can pass the 20, 30m. You can't. You know what I mean? I don't know about 20, 30.

[Joe Crack]

I ain't never had it. But let me tell you something. You know what happened to me? I used to do it like you.

[AZ]

Right, right.

[Joe Crack]

So one of the biggest mistakes and one of the greatest mistakes is it's good and bad was I moved to Miami. So we party seven days a week out there. And so, you know, all you do in Miami is you catch the suntan in the daytime. At night, watch this popping spot we pulling up. So I would go on tour, get a bag, and for like, three, four months, I'd just be in Miami, eating dinner. Party. And then when I caught the tax problem, that's when I realized, you gotta make money when you. At least for me, I gotta make money when I don't even need it. I gotta go get money because them niggas, when I tell you you got. Say Fat Joe was worth $50, they threw the dice, the IRS and that shit landed on $49.50, my nigga. I don't know how they came up with the number saying, you are officially dead broke. My. Like, you ain't got nothing no more. I'm like, holy shit. So that's why I came out here. And I was like, yo, I gotta. I gotta do the Rick Ross. I gotta. I gotta go and go and go. Because I never know when these niggas gonna throw a curveball on me. Right. You know what I'm saying? So that's. That's. I love your philosophy more, but they stung me. The beast stung me.

[AZ]

But that made you do that, right?

[Joe Crack]

Yes.

[AZ]

Okay.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah. That made me feel like I ain't got enough to you.

[AZ]

Right, right, right.

[Joe Crack]

Looking at M's in your. At least for me, come from the projects, Free Trees, Welfare, Face to face, everything you can, every bum shit you ever could think of, that's me. If I'm looking for like 10 years at EMS in the bank, I'm thinking, I'm rich. Like, I'm like, yo, I'm good. I'm straight. Them niggas came and said, yo, you know what we need? They even told me about money I ain't know I had. Niggas said, yo, we saw something in it. When I first got money back in the day, the accountant I had at the time made me do like a retirement account. Like, Wells farked. I swear to God, I didn't know about this. The niggas came back and said, oh, and we found the retirement funding well formed. You might want to give us that too. I was like, retirement? I looked, I said, like a half a million. We could use that, sir. We could use that one. You won't have to sell the art or your house. We could use that right there. I was like, yo, them niggas was violating me. The IRS nigga walked my house. So let me tell you something. In America, we got so many. It's like we living a lot. Well, the UFOs just came out yesterday. Real UFOs. And I know everybody's scared to death. They not try to talk about it. The real aliens is outside and the government is saying, congratulations. They outside. Don't be mad. Don't be mad if you see a diddy bopping down 125th. Cause it might happen. They outside. They can't control the quiet. They can't control that no more. No. My. The Pentagon put that out. The United States government.

[Joe Budden]

Well, Whoopi, do you believe everything the Pentagon put up?

[Joe Crack]

It's okay. You don't want to believe. I'm just saying, niggas don't want to believe because they outside, right? So why did I go there? What was I saying before that? Who's listening, huh? Yeah, you know, you think you own your house. Them was violating me just walking through my house. Yo, this painting's about 20,000 Romeo Britto. Hey, this couch from Chanel.

[AZ]

Wow.

[Joe Crack]

You could probably get 15 just walking through my crib.

[Joe Budden]

Crisp Fox.

[Joe Crack]

Yes.

[AZ]

That's crazy.

[Joe Crack]

What happens? I came home, I bought me a Benz A500. The like, I don't know if the government's gonna be happy with you buying the 500 Benz when you owe him all this money. I was like, yo, that shit is a horrible feeling. When you are your own boss or entrepreneur or this, you start feeling like less of a man out that bitch, you know? They definitely walked in my crib without permission. Diddy bop through my shit was price tagging furs, all type. Might have one big sale. The Fat Joe sale. I'm like, yo, this shit. So that taught me to like work when I ain't gotta work. I just got to keep going cuz could throw you a wild card any day.

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[Cal Penn]

Pets Age 0 to 10 hey everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project Hail Mary Massive Sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Audiobook Narrator (Ray Porter)]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like, okay, yo yo yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it.

[Joe Crack]

I was like, no.

[Audiobook Narrator (Ray Porter)]

At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah dude, me too.

[Cal Penn]

Listen to Irsay the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe Budden]

What you listening to right now? What you like out of the new or do you like.

[Joe Crack]

Don't say new. Don't say new.

[Joe Budden]

They didn't come out when he came out. When we came out. It's new current.

[AZ]

You got new order in media.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta say current. What do you like? Currently, that's out.

[AZ]

I'm listening to the classics. I listen, you know, the Chef, the Woo, the Locks, Regular shit.

[Joe Budden]

No doubt. Yeah, same here.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, you're not.

[AZ]

Ain't too many young cats that really. That move me like that.

[Joe Crack]

Like that.

[AZ]

Now it's a few cats that get. Actually, the battle rap cats get busy. I like them a lot.

[Joe Budden]

They be getting busy.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah. I can't do it, man. Your mother suck my dick. I'll smack this out of your. Right there. Her name's Margaret, and Margaret got by three. And, yo, I can't do that.

[Joe Budden]

What you talking about?

[Joe Crack]

The battle rap cat they be doing. I'm like, margaret knows. She Johnny Jim and the God Supreme. He hit her with the mathematics. Just like, yo, my not to force them this. And you standing there like, yeah, God, nice balls. It's like, hey, and what did we do to her? Hit her with the mathematics. God. Yeah. This like, nah, nigga. Like,

[Joe Budden]

get busy, man.

[Joe Crack]

Y' all listen to the rap, but they lyrical. But I can't stand there with them.

[AZ]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Oh, I used to like the head ice. You remember head ice?

[AZ]

He got busy.

[Joe Crack]

DMX for the battle rap that come out of nowhere. Yeah, that, that, that. I'll be like, yo, this cold, man. This right here. He Ice had ice.

[AZ]

I wonder if I still doing it.

[Joe Budden]

I ain't see him in a while.

[Joe Crack]

He used to be crushing yo Head Ice was nice.

[Joe Budden]

Uniqueness, the new single with Mike and Keys. How'd you come up with that?

[AZ]

Oh, man, that beat. That was it. It wasn't. No.

[Joe Budden]

As soon as you heard it, it was.

[AZ]

That was it. No hook, nothing. That was it.

[Joe Budden]

Let's go. I like when I get.

[Joe Crack]

Are we gonna hear that later? I gotta know which.

[Joe Budden]

Which song you can play.

[AZ]

Uniqueness.

[Joe Crack]

Exactly.

[Joe Budden]

Let's crank that joint, man. That's how you give it.

[Joe Crack]

Mikey T is making a lot of noise, huh? In the production game. I seen Static select. Yo, your album's incredible, bro. I'm telling you right now or die.

[Joe Budden]

Three, y'.

[Joe Crack]

All. I like Billy Dance with all this bullshit album.

[AZ]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

What Billy Dance album yet? Shout out to Billy Dance. I'm on there, too.

[Joe Crack]

Fire. Yeah, you doing. I'mma send you a Song. You going to do something for me? You at everybody now. I turned it up. Y' all kill me with the one more. I said, damn. I can't even get him on a song. The man right next to me.

[AZ]

I got an album coming out of her. Y' all, too.

[Joe Crack]

No.

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[AZ]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Soon. As soon as the universe aligns itself.

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

Civil lights a little more crank that feel like some Bobby.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, I like this one.

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

Psych. Show up and show out Sneaker hoarder relationship sinking in water Two sons got wanted to daughter new guns bumping it my name he

[Joe Budden]

told him you can have.

[Joe Crack]

This album is crazy. My, this album is crazy.

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

Sneaker hoarder relationship sinking in water Two sons got wanted the daughter new guns funky jumping it my knees there at the altar Bomb culture hold over still MC Ultra who the vulture sipping bomb punch sunk in the sofa one blunt what's on a hunt Trying to jump in some choco Young Sosa soloist seeking asylum Hitting sonics on my first album Speaking in volumes people fashion trends keep me from styling Handsome, thin, super slim trying to sleep with the stallions Henny Gallon, no demis My pennies was pallet far from fine when you bent let's get your shin to the Allen Grill sound and try to leave alone Wings and bones pocket dialing with these phones I'm the king of the tones Bring me my throne the lover Ian why God from sutter in junior high used to lie when I stutter Fly with the butters Cooji sweaters cop them in colors I'm not like the others Nut buster cat boxes of bubbas is over your boy sober sitting back 30 years older still closer See the tears on my shoulders distill feeling lost Feelings need therapy for the healing from what I see I could never be a civilian with touching the millions who to trust Fooling with us I have you doing everything but never doing enough Just food to the cut First Ghana, then Bossawana It's a lot to ponder Travel back right after Kwanza quick for Mondo life short visit resources force how you move never your thoughts Message is caught unwrapped Placing my laughter greatest is back tell the haters make me a plaque 30 billion strings predicted we ain't even mixing that next level ship Azxy raised poet extraordinaire Kevin Peace since day one My world always my bomb Regardless the home or what rather unique I travel through beats correlate with crime Most my kind is deceased V for the streets never those that line up their peeps it's the ones who will as weak and thirst knowledge and seek we civil read through riddles Court cases lead to acquittals the chiseled in our presence they scribble words to scribble if action ain't applied to assist was fly than this from the mix I survived the abyss highly equipped the coat my nigg did his bit on the boat out of her wig is where slid him some dope he home only want to fear God or some phone a low near the Yang fitted and bugabi cologne I hit him when door stop I spin the block and get him just heard the word that his ops got with him gave him his wings a few keep it a bean he was one do or die guess we all get a run more money more murder life as we know it not how it should be but it's the laws of nature do or die redecades and telling you

[Joe Crack]

know what's crazy that's not the best on the album. Yo when I tell you the album

[Joe Budden]

is so that right there crazy my the world needs not none of that

[Joe Crack]

sound effect don't want to get but

[AZ]

the way the sonics changed I feel like you know they're gonna embrace it like that

[Joe Crack]

we embrace it. We gonna make them embrace destination all

[Joe Budden]

these other we gotta make them embrace it.

[Joe Crack]

You did 10 interviews should have just came in here cover everybody is trash they flabby and sick my these uniqueness this tip right here album

[AZ]

I wanted Jay to join with him it just as close as we gonna get here.

[Joe Budden]

We gonna play we can shoot I don't like that either. You know you can get me for the video I ain't one of them people that do a song with you and then don't do the video or like did this song for free and I need 2.72 million to do this. That's like what the fuck is wrong with you do the song you do. Hold on, I gotta say something. Cause in this game you gotta reinvent your. No but you don't have to because you never. You don't have to reinvent yourself. It's like you spoon feed them just enough. Then you hibernate and come back with they need that fix again.

[AZ]

And you keep it.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you keep the fix. You keep them needing the fix. Is it a secret to your method of madness?

[AZ]

You know what that might be? That might be the shit. I mean I don't do it intentionally. That's how I peep, you know, from

[Joe Budden]

the outside looking in. You give them a little bit of that blue magic. Yeah, get him 30. Get him itching and nodding. You know, he disappear and come back.

[Joe Crack]

This album is going to spark a lot of. Lucky it ain't Thanksgiving because this spark is this going to spark a lot of arguments between pops and they sons and all that gonna come with the flibbity ribbity.

[Joe Budden]

See my son, what this shit supposed to sound like?

[Joe Crack]

Stepped out, God came back.

[Joe Budden]

He love Angel.

[Joe Crack]

This right here.

[Joe Budden]

I raised him right.

[Joe Crack]

This gonna be beef.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you know Thanksgiving.

[Joe Crack]

My like, it'd be a fan. He's gonna be throwing turkey bones like politics right now. Any nigga that know real hip hop, who came up from the cloth, who love real hip hop, this album is a gem.

[Joe Budden]

Let me get the one with me

[AZ]

and A on there.

[Joe Crack]

That's not the best one either. How about that?

[Joe Budden]

It's the whole project, man.

[Joe Crack]

Beyond serious.

[Joe Budden]

That's it right there. You're dealing with so much garbage in the world right now.

[Joe Crack]

Was so this is crazy. That with Nas is crazy. That Jackie song, safe to say, yeah,

[Joe Budden]

it's a crazy project. It's okay. It's hard to say it because it's so much garbage, but this is a solid ass project.

[Joe Crack]

Play that word up.

[Joe Budden]

Hey A always got the nerve to ask for something. I told him, let's reverse the situation this time and do it like this. You know what I'm saying? Give me ah yeah just give me break that Give me what you can't get back. What's the deal?

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

Y' all pull a stay down let's count this money.

[Joe Budden]

Why don't you give me the world? Give me what you can't get back.

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

You know we too thorough Champagne, cheers Louis wears over the years in full length mink ear muffs over my ears knowing it's near near brushes moments of fear for them Jesus cell phones just know you on your own when you there alone in my square sitting smiling, showing veneers reminiscing the max spitting at me and bones in the stairs homie I'm here escaped it 88 first with them aces from crack hit that was the Matrix the track sacred rap chains When I entered the game half I entertainer of a half I explained it's in my name the beginning that never began never van rolling dice got a hell of a hand the melody man meal prep on the celery plan with a few extra queens my two step on the celery but I be extra queens fatten the man hand ain't no capping in between Give me big Cubans

[Joe Budden]

and diamond rings Give me what you can't get back. What's the deal, y'? All give me James why don't you give me the world? Give me what you can't get. Yo, we gotta shoot this

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

piece of the deceased and ain't early demise Terry Yard Knowing this cold's most barely abide I rarely evolve the fiends and no scary inside intervene between killers that nearly collide Clearly I'm live, got a vibe can't compare me to size Certified hood ties had to bevy my prize and 70 wise of Pisces through with Aquarius side never shisty those love to hear that I die my ever vibe we back real of Venus is packed presence felt never seen his attack Meanwhile we rap, we rebels transform the God from devils is in the stars of each in the largest level Scars are settled in debt Pay up on a liver regret Love my set we individually rep envision the best believe it you see it first before you achieve it with on the ball Let the Lord rest

[Joe Budden]

refereeing Give me, just give me for the NYC Give me what you get back what's the deal, y'? All Give me why don't you give me the world? Give me what you can't get back.

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

You know we too thorough loop neutral

[AZ]

rules yeah, that's nice.

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

Hell, I feel it. Christian CBA.

[Joe Crack]

It's like 95 all over again. Let's go.

[AZ]

That was nice. Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You know, y' all keep nine five.

[Joe Crack]

You know.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you ain't know I did that.

[Joe Crack]

I know you did that. I listened to.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, Kaden. Kaden, Kaden.

[Joe Crack]

Okay. He snuck that one in. That motherfucker, huh? That's how you do. The other day, I was in the studio and Diamond D sent me a joint. And I snuck it in before everybody got in the studio. I was like, the first nigga there. I said, yo, throw this up.

[Joe Budden]

Knocked it out.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, I mean, nobody knows. They know now. But, I mean, like, when I threw it up in the studio, nobody was there yet, so I got that one out the way. That's one of those. You did that right quick. It made you feel like. What made you feel like.

[Joe Budden]

I booked that. I booked it. Nobody was there but me and the engineer.

[Joe Crack]

But what made you feel like coming up with that hook?

[Joe Budden]

No, that's the hook he already had.

[Joe Crack]

I know. So what made you say, I'mma do it over?

[Joe Budden]

When royalty calls, you do it. You the only one who act like I don't answer.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, he don't fuck with the God

[Joe Budden]

like That he can't even reach the flag. Cause it's so. He lying so much. The flag he can't even reach.

[Joe Crack]

Yo, Say, you know what? It's crazy, yo. He's wild. Like, Jadakiss is wild. Let me tell you something. Y' all think Kiss cool. Wow.

[Joe Budden]

I'm cool.

[Joe Crack]

But let me tell you something, man, that is amazing. This album, I love it.

[Joe Budden]

It's gonna change. This is gonna change. This is gonna change your bank account. Ah, it's gonna change. It's gonna change a lot of things because I got my man, Colombian John. He's like a. He drives, he does anything. I need somebody in my hood around my demographic. But I called him. I was doing fixing the sneaker room and I had to get rid of the boxes. I usually call him, give him a couple hundred to grab it. Soon as he get to the crib, though, AC out. I said, yeah, Columbia, usually it still works.

[Joe Crack]

I'm lying to you. A lot of OGs put some albums together and I support 1 million percent. And I like certain songs from they albums. The last one to do it the best is Billy Dance. Billy Dance. Y' all better check that fucking album.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I heard that.

[AZ]

It's nice, right? Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

And Naz came with the. Yo, here's the pure. The cocaine. I said, God damn, this nigga just like because Billy Dan did some grown up. You on that album too.

[Joe Budden]

Hello?

[Joe Crack]

Hello.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I heard it was me.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, you got a lot of fluidity out there.

[Joe Budden]

What I think is missing and we need more of is our contemporaries making them kind of songs. You know what I mean? People get caught up with calling top people on the billboards, whoever you hearing on the top eight or eight. Those ain't necessarily the people you make good music with, so long as you.

[Joe Crack]

Or make music for your audience.

[Joe Budden]

As long as we stick to the script and work with our contemporaries, I think more beautiful things can come out of that. But you know, like you said before, people get a couple dollars, you get a new house, a new Ferrari. You start feeling like you gotta make songs.

[Joe Crack]

You know what? A lot of times it be like record company niggas wanna tell you.

[Joe Budden]

They shouldn't be able to tell you that.

[Joe Crack]

See, do a song with this guy. Yo, this to be fun.

[AZ]

Record label still signing up. People still signing the record label.

[Joe Crack]

Oh, no, they rob all over again. Whatever we got robbed for, they got fresh getting robbed. Rapper, he's getting robbed. They want.

[Joe Budden]

This is a jet stopping.

[Joe Crack]

It's more worse now is genocidal my, they blowing but they. The whole gimmick is to sign young black men and Latino men that came

[Joe Budden]

from put you in debt.

[Joe Crack]

Throw them a little carrot, right? Yo, ain't never had none. They gave him a hundred thousand. These niggas just singing their life away. Talented, doing the illness. These niggas is running it up. 20, 30 million. This never. He's in debt. So if they spend a hundred thousand on a video, they charge you 2 million on the video. You not them. Yo, I still haven't recouped. Let me tell you. I have a double platinum album that I still haven't recouped from for 20 years. Then I put out an independent album where I sell a hundred thousand records and make a billion dollars off.

[Joe Budden]

Did you ever listen, actually listen to the first line of why my song, why?

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, yeah, I know the ball. But I want you to say that I'mma fuck it up. Why is the industry designers in debt?

[AZ]

What? That's crazy. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack]

No, no, but it's true though.

[AZ]

So why, why, why is the industry

[Joe Budden]

designed to keep the artists in debt? Yes. Only key word is the artist. Nobody else being dead.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, but. And so that don't never run. They never run out of broke.

[AZ]

Yeah, yeah, I see.

[Joe Crack]

They never run out of a talented young man.

[AZ]

They learn from our shit and everybody else. Why would they still, they catching them

[Joe Budden]

with a longer spoon.

[Joe Crack]

Some of them have.

[Joe Budden]

Like, when you see you get a movie, their hand is in the buck.

[AZ]

He's chilling, right?

[Joe Budden]

Travis doing this.

[Joe Crack]

Travis, you know there's some smart ones out there, right?

[AZ]

Right.

[Joe Crack]

You see them run it up.

[Joe Budden]

They let a few smart ones slip through, but they make sure it's only a few. Yeah, we're gonna let two.

[Joe Crack]

This can't beat up the record label no more. You go to the feds, you can't. Can't hear. In my day, we was beating up with the plaques on the wall. We went out, we went, now that is a fed case. Right now. They letting you know asap.

[Joe Budden]

Can't even get out of the building. They gonna lock you in the building.

[Joe Crack]

To the authorities at Atlantic one time I say, yo, I'm running up in. They didn't want to pay for a video like I wanted to. I said, I'm coming in there and anybody, I mean anybody up in this bitch, that shit. I walked in there, Atlantic Records, they had like a thousand workers. That shit was like niggas in there thought it was a Jewish holiday. They sent everybody home. When I think it was papers blowing in the wind, I walked up in there. I said, damn. It ain't one nigga stood behind. Not a fucking janitor can get smacked up out this bitch. This shit was like the whole place. Yo. They didn't take it as a bluff. They didn't think that was cat at that time.

[Joe Budden]

They got out of there.

[Joe Crack]

Everybody, nice ladies, everybody was gone. Niggas was like, oh, no, he coming up in here. They could tell me, the only guy who stood there rest in peace was my good friend Ronnie Johnson. And because he knew I loved him so much, he stood there, he explained it to me. He said, yo, Joe, you not Beyonce, man. Your last single didn't do good. They're not gonna give you the bag for the next video. And this and this and that. So a lot of shit I went through in the industry, I learned I had to go independent.

[AZ]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Because I realized we're in the blind at all times. So we telling the record label, yo, you're gonna push this. You're gonna make this a hit. And then suppose they don't. Suppose they lying to you. And they like, yo, kiss always sell 250,000 records. Just give out enough, spend a little. It's like the drug game. Spend a little and step on this bitch. We know he gonna sell 250,000. So that's how they make their PC. Meanwhile, Kiss is like, yo, I think I could do a million if y'

[Joe Budden]

all blow the bag, they cool with that. 250 they make they money.

[AZ]

Yeah, 250 from 50 people. They're good.

[Joe Budden]

That's facts.

[AZ]

They good.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's why, being independent, I had that one song. I say it all the time. Hate when I repeat stories. But when I put out that song with Young Jeezy, I got so many, you know, Right? Just like we talking to you. We. You ain't delusional. Niggas is telling you this album is hot. Az. You know when this is hot, I'm

[AZ]

speaking to my people.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, yeah, but they telling you. But they telling you, right?

[AZ]

That's a fact, right?

[Joe Crack]

So it ain't a lot. So I put that shit out, and the whole world called me, was like, yo, you got another lead back, nigga, this shit is crazy. The whole industry called. Yo, welcome back. This, this, this, that shit. It wasn't charting, wasn't moving, wasn't doing nothing. I went to the label. I was like, yo, y' all didn't. Yeah, Joe, this. I said, this shit was a hit. I said, I gotta go. I gotta put my own money. Where my Wife is and go independent and put my own money. And at least I know I spent it. The shit don't blow. It is what it is. I can't go there. And it also feels. You feel smaller looking at a guy behind the desk begging him to promote your shit or play your music or this and this. I used to feel smaller on the other side of the desk saying, yo, you gonna pump my shit? You're gonna go? And I was like, yo, you know what, Joe? You always been a hustler. You always been an entrepreneur. You gotta go. And they was calling that. At that time, I had beef with 50 cents and they was calling that shit the graveyard. You niggas is crackheads. You niggas like going independent at that time.

[AZ]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Crack]

They really try to discourage niggas from going independent. The graveyard only bumps go there. Meanwhile, I made, wow, more money than I made on a major. So you go on a major, you sell 2, 2 million records, they take you unrecooped, they give you another half a million to make the next album. You sell gold on an independent at that time, they giving you $7. You made three and a half M's.

[AZ]

That's a fact.

[Joe Crack]

That's the math. I was figuring it out, so I wasn't trying to hear none of that shit. They was talking graveyard bums.

[Daniel Cormier]

This.

[Joe Crack]

I'm like, nah, papa, you ain't seeing these checks. That shit. Was that that another round with Chris Brown? It's the one time in my life I try to stop the money from coming. I was kicking that shit back in the safe. Like, please stop, stop sending another check. Another bonus is coming through. This shit so independent. When you hit it out the park, it's sweet. It's the best in the world. And then you build that catalog so that you can benefit off of it. If you ever want to make a catalog deal where you want to sell your catalog, you got that equity. That's the real money fact.

[AZ]

That's a fact.

[Joe Budden]

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[Joe Crack]

It's my favorite right there. I need an extra large [e-mail]. go there. Get it.

[AZ]

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[Cal Penn]

Hey everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay, the Automatic Audible and I Heart Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project, Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone, very far from Earth.

[Audiobook Narrator (Ray Porter)]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating so some of these sections and it's like okay, yo yo yo, is this indulgent? And I really thought about it.

[Joe Crack]

I was like no.

[Audiobook Narrator (Ray Porter)]

At this Point. It would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that. That deeply, emotionally affected me. And I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh, my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah, dude, me too.

[Cal Penn]

Listen to Earsay the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Joe Budden]

Favorite bar you ever writ. That's one of his questions.

[Joe Crack]

Cuz.

[Joe Budden]

I don't. That's like a brain question.

[AZ]

Yeah, that is. That's. That's crazy. We got 10 albums out. That's. It's kind of crazy.

[Joe Budden]

All right, we can skip that.

[Joe Crack]

N, n, n, N. What's close to it? What's the verse that you felt you feel like? Yo, that might be my best verse I ever spit. You gotta have one. You're lying. Kiss.

[AZ]

I'm not.

[Joe Budden]

When you got a lie, any verse, this niggas got. How could you sit there and break that down?

[AZ]

I think the come up know the come up Stack invite, put the gun up, laugh, get nice, split the blunt up Pray blue and whites don't run up remain humble. Yeah, that one was coming.

[Joe Budden]

He got that, man. This is it.

[Joe Crack]

Money, more murder.

[AZ]

Damn. Yeah, all right. Yeah, See?

[Joe Budden]

Keep going.

[AZ]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

It's so many, man. The man Az, man. So Az, I heard on the album where you said Rakim, birth the style. Sean did the G rap. Fine tuned it. Did I skip somebody Skip Kane? I skipped Kane. Big Daddy Kane. That was Puns. Coogee rapping. Big Daddy Kane was Pun's favorite rappers. Yeah, I skipped Kane. So you said G Rap.

[AZ]

Rakim, bro Pun, Rakim Kane warmed it up. G Rap turned my dad. Yeah, and then they're my favorites right

[Joe Crack]

there and then that realism, life, acting, actuality. Fuck. Who's the baddest in Perkins?

[AZ]

That's the set off right there.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. So good that goes with this one. Which album changed your life more, you think? Illmatic or Door Die.

[AZ]

Door Die. Damn. Nah, I don't fucking know that. That was crazy. I would say Illmatic. Cause it made me.

[Joe Budden]

It was out of door.

[AZ]

So I had a Ben Wall and I only had three songs or six raps. And every label they wanted me.

[Joe Crack]

So I had to make what is connection with Nas? Like, who introduced you? Yo, this is Nasir.

[AZ]

This is a. I think the homie Yambo, he was on the phone. He From Brooklyn, but he was in Queensbridge. And he knew I rapped. He knew Nas rapped. He was in the streets. He got us on the phone and me and Nas going back and forth actually with other people on the phone.

[Joe Crack]

It was like one of them parties on the type shit.

[AZ]

But it was just some real shit. We was rapping. But I gravitated towards Nas. Cause he just spit some crazy shit. And I was like. We exchanged numbers and we kind of. We dialogue for like a year before we even bump heads, like every now and then, like once a month. What up, nigga? What's going on? Yo, my man just got shot over there. Oh, my man, you know. So that was like a year. And then he got a deal. And then I think halfway through Illmatic, he invited me to the studio. I went there. Just a Fly on the Wall and Life's a Bitch wasn't even premeditated. That just happened. I wasn't trying to get on the album. I was just there just supporting. Yeah, shit just happened.

[Joe Crack]

Like I said, that's why we get high. Cause you know.

[Joe Budden]

And you know, he getting busy.

[AZ]

So I'm wondering why he's even put me on the fucking album. It's done. I don't want to get on that. I can't keep up with you, nigga.

[Joe Crack]

Let me tell you.

[AZ]

That's how I thought, right?

[Joe Crack]

Let me tell you my perspective. A fly nigga in my hood is show big showbiz coming. All that convertible Benz. Yo, you gotta hear this. You gotta hear this. I was by Soundview somewhere. He was like, you gotta hear this. That pulled that. That Illmatic out the tape and threw it in. And we sat in the car and listened to the whole Illmatic. And I was like, oh, my God. Like, yo, this I was scared, right? Because I had one hit out, one album out. I had flow joint. I was like, bust it. Check it. Watch how I wreck it. Watch your back. And I'm here realizing the realism of life and actuality. I said, oh, my God, this over for me. I'm not coming with the.

[Joe Budden]

This might have been a real shitty. That's ill as you. That one right there hit home different because you gotta say it again. How do. How did Flo Joe go? Bust it.

[Joe Crack]

Busted. Check it. I got a line on Flo Jo where I say, step to me and I'mma mash your toes.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I gotta go to the bathroom.

[Joe Crack]

Yo, yo,

[Joe Budden]

That's a fact.

[Azxy (rapper performing verses)]

You said that.

[Joe Crack]

That's a fact. And I. And that. I heard that. So I was so, dude, what you call that shit? The endorphins in my brain was like, yo, this is the illest I ever heard. And then the fear sets in and says, nigga, if you don't step. So I studied you guys. Like, I'm. Yo, I'm telling you, I might have listened to Illmatic one billion times.

[AZ]

Damn.

[Joe Crack]

Before I started my second album. And that's how I stepped my second album up. The crazy shit is I put out the second album, like, right about now, like, you. Four days in, and I run into Biggie. Rest in peace. I see biggie, he got 200, 300 people around him and shit. And he was like, yo, crap. He was like, what? We been playing all week? He was, yo, you stepped your shit up, nigga. The second album, I was like, yo. He told Lil Kim, she was like, yo, we been playing your album all day. And it was like, I had to step it up or I was. I was gone. A lot of. You know, Illmatic put a lot of out of business. Oh, yes. That's the hustle in you. You gotta adapt.

[AZ]

Yeah. Yeah. And it was the wave after that, you know, out of business.

[Joe Crack]

You know, you couldn't come with that Wax shit no more. You had the life, be lyrical.

[AZ]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Or come through with some shit. Otherwise. Yeah. It wasn't gonna work. Shout out my man Les. Les.

[AZ]

Yes. Yes.

[Joe Crack]

L, E, S I love you, brother man. He was like the first nigga who ever, you know. Cause I just want to shoot people and rob people and all my music and all that.

[AZ]

Well, he gave me something.

[Joe Crack]

Oh, yeah. He gave me like two, three joints. But what he did do was, like, let me know, like, I did the. Hey, Joey. I didn't even know I could make a song like that. I was so hardcore. I was like, mop. So when. When he was like, yo, you can rap. I was like, yo, B, they gonna take a pussy God if I rap to some shit. He was like, nah, nigga. Like, this is the fly shit. And I did it. And thank God it's like one of my classics.

[AZ]

And.

[Joe Crack]

And so he was like, you know, with me, I was real just. I was. I was too underground.

[AZ]

Right?

[Joe Crack]

Right. You know what I mean? My shit was like, we will not commercialize. So my shit was, like, so underground that every step of the way for me, if you would have asked Fat Joe 1992, would he ever have a what's Love or some shit like that, he would have never, ever, ever in the history. I thought I was just gonna be making spit razor Music that's.

[AZ]

You adjusted with the sound. Yeah, Real world.

[Joe Crack]

Well, I just seen the money. So what happened for me was that was making that kind of like the band. Not to tell his business. One day, Chris Gotti came to get me. And this one, Murder Inc. Was on fire. And he showed me. And this is Chris Gotti, not Irv. Recipes. Irv, man, I miss Irv, man. He showed me a $20 million check, and then they came to my crib in the Bronx, nigga. It was like, yo, I just got this. He's naive. He's number two or number three on the list. He showed me a $20 million Chris Gotti, and I said, oh, I gotta make records like that. Just shoot him up. Bang, bang. Ain't gonna work. And then we made the west love, and we dug him from there. Then we started just making hit records. But it was like, you know, I seen it. He showed me the check, and I was like. Like, nothing. It was a normal day. He was like, all right, Joe, let's go to the city.

[AZ]

Is.

[Joe Crack]

You know. I was like, yo, this nigga got a $20 million fucking check. I'm over here still doing $1,500 shows, nigga. Like, I was like. And so I realized you gotta step it up, you know what I mean? And make music like you when you did Sugar Hill.

[AZ]

Yeah, I had to do that. I didn't wanna do that. But I saw what Biggie did, and he just zipped. He still kept it real on the album, but he. And so now I'm hearing everything that's. I'm hearing, Marv, I'm hearing. I said I could compete, but I want a zip.

[Joe Budden]

That was a good ass.

[Joe Crack]

You made some fly shit.

[Joe Budden]

That was a hell of a zip.

[AZ]

Yeah, you could zip.

[Joe Budden]

Hell of a zip.

[AZ]

You could zip that. That's a fact.

[Joe Crack]

That's why.

[AZ]

Cause it's a music business. It's not. I mean, we all get busy, but it's a business at the same time. I was just.

[Joe Crack]

When the conversation never comes up in my mind, I always credit Biggie for the whole shit. I credit him because he's the first guy I seen with a backpack and an army fatigue jacket that started rapping on them R and B beats, making them hits juicy and all that. And so that inspired me to make songs like that or everybody else. You know, he opened that door. At least for New York niggas, I know he opened that door.

[AZ]

That's a true.

[Joe Crack]

So like you just said, if everybody just kept it real and say who let them know that you could do that would be B I G. Made

[Joe Budden]

it cool to wear a nice shirt, to be the one to be going from nasty to classic, man.

[Joe Crack]

I was in his house one day, the nigga had a hockey jersey on and Levi's and this and that. He was like, yo, come to my shit tonight. This, this, that I pulled up. Nigga had gators on, fucking fur trench. This, that. I was like, what the fuck? Where did this come from? Biggie Smalls was in the overnight success. He was number one, two and three.

[AZ]

That's a fact.

[Joe Crack]

Within months. He just never been seen before. Before that just his money must have went like, that's a fact. Like some shit we never seen. Like, that shit was 1, 2, and 3. I remember like, yo, this nigga's number 1, 2 and 3. Somebody I equate that to. I always use Cardi B as the standard now for, like, fandom. You know how Cardi B say anything on Instagram? The girls love that shit. You know, she diss this. This like she got that shit where she just. That shit you were saying, she just jumped to another level. That's how Biggie did it for me, you know? But all you guys, man, you shit the firm shit, all that. What was it like working with, like, a Foxy Brown? You know, we rate Foxy Brown. Fox, she another one in.

[AZ]

Yeah, she get busy. Fox.

[Joe Budden]

I was listening to some Fox yesterday.

[AZ]

I can't wait till she come back out. I'm waiting for that. I gotta come back. I'm coming back.

[Joe Budden]

Fox with the back to the ankle. Keep saying that. Foxy something.

[Joe Crack]

We got my biggest movie. You see, it happens all the time. So I think if you are a veteran, Sean C. You've seen this. If you're a veteran exec who's been in the game long enough, you've seen this shit play out with different artists. So say, like, French had that shot caller, and the next thing you know, he did the pop that with all them niggas. It took him another level with me. I was just getting my credibility with Floja and all that. And LL put me on our shotcha. But Fat Joe already had Flo Joe and already had the second album that Biggie saying, I stepped my shit up. So I kind of like. I don't know if I deserve that slap right there, but thank God he gave it to me. And then you got Prodigy on there. You got Keith Murray was on Fucking Flames. And then you got Foxy Brown. And I remember me doing it. It was A big deal to be on there with LL and all them. And I turned around. Cause we all shooting the video to say. And she come on, papa. I say, yo, this girl. Yeah, yeah, how about it? Took two seconds to know she was a superstar. She was in there with the biggest, hottest niggas. From the four platinum niggas to the underground niggas, to everything. She came up in there, I think she had like a white silk shirt and she was like in Ellen Tracy, this, this. And I was like, oh my God. God, there's a girl on this song that. She's about to be the fuck outta here. What was that? Like that working with her in the studio and shit like that.

[AZ]

No, Fox in and out. She getting right to the business. Soon as the music come on, it's her turn to get in the studio. She getting on the mic, she do it and she going. She write fast right there. Lay half it down, write more, she out.

[Joe Crack]

And we used to waste a lot of money, huh, Shaun? Cuz we used to the studio was the hangout.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, yeah, yeah, huh, Sean C. Yo, what was it like working with Rest in Peace? Half a mill.

[AZ]

Oh, man, half was big head scientist. He had a lot of knowledge. He was trying to get that shit out like he knew something.

[Joe Budden]

He was before his time, way before his time.

[Joe Crack]

A lot of unsung heroes in the hip hop game passed away prematurely, you know what I mean?

[AZ]

Like the streets, it was rap game turned straight to the streets. Facts.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah. Was you conscious of that? Did you?

[AZ]

Yeah, yeah, I seen what was going on. My style was the same. I'm sitting back, you got the loud ones and you got the silent assassins. I think I was more like that. Just checking shit out, seeing where to go, where not to go. You know.

[Joe Crack]

I always went with the problems. You was hearing that shit, you know, that nigga Fat Joe walked up in there with a hundred Puerto Ricans. Word up, son. What are you he do? Yo, that pun, they called him a German. He took the chain off and whipped the out of them. Yo, this big punt. Let me tell you something. Yo, listen, listen. You was there for that. Yo, Sean, see, let me tell you something. Say, I'll be watching all these documentaries. They say the tunnel was the. It was the worst place to go. The tunnel was just Killerville, right, right. This island with a sprinkle of young ladies, this Big Pun. Big Pun would go in there with millions of dollars in jury and a robe on my. With boxes under like this in the middle of the tub. Bottle of Moet with a robe on. And John Clay, where every. So called the murderer of all murderers of this. What up, God? I'm like, yo, Pun, where's your clothes? My. That niggas know what time it is out here. Yo, Big Pun. Yo, that. That. Damn Big Pun, man. But you know.

[AZ]

Yo, Joe, how you. How you made it to that More Money, More Murder video? How you do that?

[Joe Crack]

I'm in that video.

[AZ]

Yeah, but how do you do that?

[Joe Crack]

I was in everybody's video. I don't know. Like, I might have had the video on. On Speed Down. They always shooting the video. Fat Joe, like the day.

[Joe Budden]

Used to get the. Used to get the. Yo, they shooting over there.

[AZ]

Yeah, they'll say, radio.

[Joe Crack]

You know who else I did? Incarcerated Scarfaces. I'm the barber. And Raekwon's video. Yeah, they shot the Over There Bob Lemons projects by the Taino Towers over there on the east side of Harlem. They had the ice cream truck. I'm the barber in the video. Incarcerated Scarface.

[AZ]

That's great.

[Joe Crack]

And. And engine. Engine number. I'm jumping up and down behind Black seat.

[AZ]

Oh, big it up.

[Joe Crack]

Big it up. Big it up. Back to the stains. Chris Beer. You call Fat Joke on Cameo, he was there. But that day. That day, it's crazy that you. That you bring that up, right? Because sometimes I'm fried. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm fried. So, like. Like, sometimes, you know, n. Don't call me Cap so much. Sometimes I think I'm capping. I don't know. This shit is crazy out here, right? But that video, I remember Jay Z was there.

[AZ]

Jay was there. Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

And Nas and every. You know, we just had Rick Ross here. I really asked him how did it go bad between him and Drake. And I remember everybody was there. No, no, no, no, no. This is before Nas and Jay Z, Beef. Everybody was there in peace, love. I was sitting next to these niggas, so I'm like, when it really went bad, I never. I never. You the one. You probably the only guy who got him together before all that beef.

[AZ]

That's a fact.

[Joe Crack]

How did that come about?

[AZ]

I knew Jerry from high school. We went, I think ninth grade. He was in the grade. Used to rap in the lunchroom. That's before the Biggie and Busta Rhyme shit.

[Joe Crack]

So you was in that same high school. They leave you out of that high school?

[AZ]

I didn't go to that one. That's after they closed ours. And then from there we was cool. And I was already doing me and he reached out, tried to make it happen. It didn't happen. But I was there at the video, at the. With all. With Big and all of us sitting at the round table. Nas, Bozak came, but he didn't. So it was cool. But you know, shit happens. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack]

I mean, you know, it's a part of our history. Everybody's history. And hip hop, you know what I'm saying? That shit. I guess sometimes some shit had to happen. No, no, for real. Sometimes the journey is gotta happen.

[AZ]

Maybe it was about just the business, right? About the music business. It was a. A power move like that. This same game, right?

[Joe Crack]

That's what it is. Supremacy.

[AZ]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

You know what I'm saying?

[AZ]

It's a fact.

[Joe Crack]

But we hear the name of the project. Tell them the name of the project. Telling you right now, anybody. Uniqueness, anybody in the fucking planet earth. If you love real hip hop, if you love lyrics, you love beats. Nothing is fucking with az's album right now. It's untouchable right now. I already set a date with myself. I'm going back home to get in the car and play the album. While I drive in the car, preferably around Brooklyn, Harlem, the South Bronx.

[AZ]

Yes.

[Joe Crack]

A little bit of Queens in there.

[AZ]

Yes.

[Joe Crack]

You want me to touch juicing Yonkers by now? Cause I'm affiliated with you. You know your kids, man, the twins. I hung out with the twins at the game. They got so much love. I want to know you, like, can I get like a free pasta leo or something?

[Joe Budden]

Magic carpet.

[Joe Crack]

Yo, we spreading the wealth. Yo, whyo am I like a.

[Joe Budden]

You done in? Yo, you good. Go through there. You go.

[Joe Crack]

Pump my gas in the gas station. Where's that gas station at?

[Joe Budden]

354, man.

[Joe Crack]

What? Every year, every time I used to go to Yonkers, they'd be like, yo, the locks is in that gas station over there. Y' all is out there deep. So I'm good in, yo.

[Joe Budden]

Great.

[Joe Crack]

Give me a ginger and lemon shot.

[Joe Budden]

Go get you a pocalito.

[Joe Crack]

I'm good. Yeah. Yo, what's up, baby? Yeah, what's up, baby? I'm in the building. Yo, this ain't that.

[Joe Budden]

That ain't this. Make some noise for az. Y' all got three, y'.

[Joe Crack]

All. You know why? Az, let me tell you something before we turn off these cameras. The reason why I give it out there to you like that is because you're not gonna do it to yourself. You quiet. But you need niggas like me, the spokesman, the mouth of the south, to Let the niggas know your shit is on fire so they don't get it mistaken Real why I'm saying nah nigga, this for the culture we gonna salute him the right way and if you got ears, go go get that album.

[AZ]

Yes,

[Daniel Cormier]

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