Conway The Machine on Griselda, Benny The Butcher, Jay-Z & NEW ALBUM on the way

Summary

Podcast Summary: Joe and Jada – Conway The Machine on Griselda, Benny The Butcher, Jay-Z & NEW ALBUM

Date: September 2, 2025
Hosts: Fat Joe ("Craig" in transcript) & Jadakiss ("Jada")
Guest: Conway The Machine
Theme: Deep-dive conversation with Conway The Machine on his journey with Griselda, the Buffalo come-up, his creative process, influences, new projects, and legacy.

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Episode Overview

Fat Joe and Jadakiss sit down with Conway The Machine for an authentic, energetic discussion packed with behind-the-scenes stories from Buffalo to the world stage. They explore the origins and impact of Griselda, the business hustle behind their movement, Conway’s approach to artistry, and what’s ahead for Drumwork and his solo career. The chemistry is warm, funny, and celebratory—with plenty of real talk on the grind, industry lessons, and hip-hop culture.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Global Stages & Impact (03:20 – 04:24)

• Conway shares his experiences performing overseas, including Colombia, Argentina, Georgia:

  “The way that they love hip hop, man… it’s overwhelming. For the motherfuckers to barely speak English and rapping my shit word for word, dog, it’s a different type of feeling.”
  — Conway (04:14)

2. The Power of Live Performance (04:41 – 05:06)

• Influence from legends like DMX and Busta Rhymes

  “Watching DMX, watching Busta… they put a lot of emphasis in the stage performance part more than the pen. I just like to go out there and have an out of body experience. Just leave it on the stage.”
  — Conway (04:41)

3. Origins of Griselda (05:06 – 07:03)

• Tight-knit, family foundation:

  “Since the beginning, niggas is family. It started with me, Wes, Benny, and Machine Gun Black … That shit grew like that. But we ain’t really start trying to get serious until after I got shot…”
  — Conway (05:16)

• Buffalo’s struggles and perseverance:

  “Nobody think they gonna make it… it’s crack and that’s it. But I always had the mind state: just the right people hear me, I’m outta here.”
  — Conway (07:47)

• Strategic hustle with merch & music: self-distribution, limited releases, resale economy.

4. Getting “On” from Buffalo: The Boutique Approach (09:53 – 12:34)

• Organic buzz and DIY mentality:

  “We was getting into this stream era… we, like, went against that. You gotta come see me get this. There’s only 187 of these. Hoodies getting marked up, reselled. We took this formula from the sneaker game.”
  — Conway (09:53)

• Fashion & relatability: Yoked to their image, the collective embraced “having that shit on” as part of repping for their city.

  “We be having that shit on and we be talking that shit, too. That’s more relevant … Young niggas tap in and fuck with me.”
  — Conway (12:34)

5. Real MCs, Beat Selection & Influence (13:39 – 16:22)

• Awards from peers mean more than industry accolades:

  “To me, that’s the award — to get my flowers from the MCs I respect… I’m emcee first. For me to get that embrace from Busta, Chef, Starks, y’all…”
  — Conway (13:59)

• Importance of strong beat choices:

  “A lot of emcees that were the greatest… Didn’t know how to pick beats. You guys know how to pick beats.” — Joe (15:35)

• Conway describes now having access to Alchemist, Conductor, and Derringer, but recalls writing over whatever was available:

  “Having access… sometimes you might got no access to no fire. You making the best of what you got.”
  — Conway (16:22)

6. Creative Process (17:27 – 20:52)

• Routine:

  “Smoking me one, a lot of reposado… some type of sports presentation on mute… crazy beats. And by myself, just me and the engineer.”
  — Conway (17:31)

• Mostly off the dome:

  “I don’t even be hitting no pad. A lot of that, off the top. I’m thinking of it, giving it thought… on that album, I hadn’t even wrote. I’m writing the lyrics down now ’cause, you know, I need the lyrics…”
  — Conway (18:47, 19:13)

• Beat as creative catalyst:

  “If that beat is super fucking incredible, I don’t need nothing… The beat always tell me what to say.”
  — Jada & Joe (19:43, 20:50)

7. Drumwork & Mentorship (26:48 – 29:19)

• Drumwork label’s growth:

  “I got J. Skis… my man Kendricks, a couple shooters, nice roster… we doing a compilation.”
  — Conway (26:53)

• Putting others on:

  “Nothing like that. Putting somebody on… very commendable. You could just be thinking about yourself.”
  — Joe (27:28)

• Evolving through mentorship:

  “For me to even open up and let people come with me… is actually doing more for me. I’m getting out of my old self… more patient now.”
  — Conway (28:20)

8. Touring / Fan Love Overseas (29:23 – 32:49)

• Upcoming U.S. and overseas tour:

  “Yeah, I’m about to tour the States starting in November… going back on that road… couple of shows out in Greece.”
  — Conway (29:24)

• Wildest fan responses in South America:

  “South America was crazy, bro… electricity, whole different energy. Lines around two blocks.”
  — Conway (31:44)

• Street-level realities and culture abroad: Videos in Bogota amidst "danger element."

9. Expanding Ventures (37:30 – 39:49)

• Beyond music:

  “Got some Drumwork exotics [cannabis]…writing a short film…about to dabble in the podcast space… bringing Drumwork Fest back 2026.”
  — Conway (37:41, 39:31)

10. Connections, Collaborations, and Alchemist Story (40:22 – 41:35)

• How Conway linked up with Alchemist:

  “He seen the freestyle [online] … DMed me the number, next time you come to LA, come through. The rest was history.”
  — Conway (40:22)

• Alchemist’s impact:

  “Love Alchemist, bro. I’m glad everybody… acknowledging his greatness.”
  — Joe (40:56)

• Biggest "arrival" moment:

  “Probably Hov. We was doing a show out in LA and he pulled up… Just watching. I look up, he’s standing there on the stage just watching.”
  — Conway (41:35)

11. Respecting the “Beats and Rhymes” Tradition (44:28 – 45:25)

• Resisting industry trends for fast fame:

  “You guys just restored a feeling… a void that was really missing. Guys who felt like you… chose the other route… you just said, we’re going beats and rhymes.”
  — Joe (44:28)

• Overnight success vs. long game:

  “Overnight success is the gimmick shit… but we feel that pain… guys doing what you were doing never really took off.”
  — Joe (44:52)

12. Legacy, Giving Back, and Community (48:25 – 49:57)

• Next 5 years for Conway, Drumwork, & Griselda:

  “Rich like y’all!”
  — Conway (48:34)

• On giving hope for Buffalo's youth:

  “It’s extremely important. Coming from Buffalo, we ain’t had nobody to give us advice… You can’t take none of this shit with you, but you can leave it here.”
  — Conway (49:08)

• Navigating the upstate NY/jail culture, local solidarity:

  “It be a lot of Buffalo in upstate pens… for me to open up and let people come with me, it’s inspiring.”
  — Conway (50:49)

13. Musical Influences and What’s In Rotation (52:10 – 53:16)

• Artists who paved the way:

  “Rock Marciano, Sauce Walka, G Herbo…”
  — Conway (52:21)

• Current favorites & shoutouts to The Clipse:

  “The Clipse album crazy… hope what they did—beats and rhymes—continues to do numbers.”
  — Joe (54:24)

14. Crossing Genres and New Projects (54:24 – 56:36)

• On collaborating with mainstream/pop acts:

  “Would you ever do a song with Selena Gomez?”
  — Joe (55:52)
  “Hell, yeah. I can’t wait to.”
  — Conway (55:10)

• New album with Roc Nation:

  “[The album] is called 'Can't Kill God with Bullets.' Important to have that as a part of my chapter… bring my album, bring my business over here with them.”
  — Conway (56:10, 56:14)

15. Spirituality & Gratitude (56:47 – 58:02)

• Roots in faith:

  “God is the greatest, man. God is everything to me.”
  — Conway (56:51, 57:00)

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Notable Quotes

• On Buffalo’s resilience:
  “Nobody think they gonna make it… but I always had the mind state: just the right people hear me, I’m outta here.”
  — Conway (07:47)

• Flowers from MCs:
  “To me, that’s the award — to get my flowers from the MCs I respect…”
  — Conway (13:59)

• On beat selection:
  “Some of my legends… didn’t have access to fire. Now I can hit Swizz, Alchemist… I got the resource now.”
  — Conway (16:22)

• Giving back to Buffalo:
  “You can’t take none of this shit with you, but you can leave it here… I don’t want it to end with just us.”
  — Conway (49:08)

• Big Jay-Z moment:
  “I go for a towel, I look up—he’s standing there on the stage just watching. I’m like, yo, am I bugging?”
  — Conway (41:44)

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Important Timestamps

• [03:17] Conway introduced
• [04:14] On fans overseas rapping lyrics
• [05:16] How Griselda formed
• [07:47] On breaking out from Buffalo
• [09:53] Building a brand with limited runs/merch
• [12:34] Influence of fashion on their image
• [13:59] The value of MC respect
• [15:35] Beat selection in hip-hop
• [17:31] Conway’s creative process
• [19:13] Mostly writes verses in his head
• [26:53] Drumwork label’s roster
• [29:24] Upcoming tours
• [31:44] Craziest fan experiences in South America
• [37:41] Branching into film, podcasts, and exotics
• [40:22] Meeting Alchemist, building key relationships
• [41:35] Hov watching Conway’s show
• [44:28] Resisting gimmicks, staying true to hip-hop roots
• [48:34] Five-year outlook for Conway/Drumwork/Griselda
• [49:08] Giving hope to Buffalo’s youth
• [52:21] Musical influences
• [56:10] New album “Can’t Kill God with Bullets,” partnership with Roc Nation
• [56:51] Relationship with God

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Final Thoughts

This episode offered a heartfelt celebration of Conway’s journey from Buffalo to global recognition. Joe and Jada guided the conversation through gritty stories, practical industry talk, personal growth, and plenty of laughs. Conway was open about his struggles, process, and mission to uplift others—mirroring the ethos that helped Griselda break through. The upcoming album, new business moves, and a strong message about community and legacy reveal an artist firmly rooted in hip-hop’s essence and eyeing a broader impact.

For listeners seeking inspiration, craft secrets, or a feel for modern hip-hop’s heart, this conversation is essential.

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Hosts:
Fat Joe (@fatjoe)
Jadakiss (@jadakiss)
Guest:
Conway The Machine (@whoisconway)

Episode: Joe and Jada – Conway The Machine on Griselda, Benny The Butcher, Jay-Z & NEW ALBUM on the way (iHeartPodcasts and The Volume, September 2, 2025)

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[Craig]

This guy, he's very silly. Electful with the artist to sit on the couch. He got a problem. He turns down. Guys is big. And your name came up. And in one second he was like, Yo, 100%. This is Joe the dawn on my mafia shit.

[Jada]

You know who it is? Your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada Show. Every show is exclusive. Every show is iconic. Today we'd like to welcome our guest, my brother. One third of Griselda, 100% of drum work. East side of Buffalo's own Conway the machine.

[Craig]

Make some noise.

[Conway the Machine]

What up, what up, what up, what up, man? What up, man?

[Jada]

My brother was good, man.

[Conway the Machine]

Life, man, life is good, man.

[Jada]

No doubt. Appreciate it. I seen you've been over the water, crushing them crowds, doing. You know what I mean, getting them bags, doing what we do. How was that? You was in some places. I never even. I thought I'd been everywhere. I was following you, looking at some of the shows like, damn, where's he. He conquering land.

[Conway the Machine]

For real. No, no question. Shit, man. That shit is unbelievable, man. Like, the way that. The way that they love hip hop, man, they tapped into the culture over there is. Is. Is. You know what I mean? It's overwhelming, man. The love I felt out there, like, I was out in Colombia, I was out in Argentina, I was out in fucking Georgia. I was everywhere. Like. Like you said, like, I was touching. I was touching land I ain't never thought I'd be at. I ain't think they could. They understand, like, what I'm bringing to the table with my lyrics.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Conway the Machine]

So for the motherfuckers to be able to barely speak English and rapping, my word for word, dog. It's a different type of feeling.

[Jada]

Timeless feeling.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Jada]

You know, you do. You do my cloth out. Cloth of music. So I. I follow you. I follow you. Resounding a whole crew, man. I could tell you, like, stages, you like performing.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, that's my favorite element of it.

[Jada]

Yeah, yeah.

[Conway the Machine]

Watching, like, the dog, man. Watching dmx, watching Buster watching, you know what I'm saying? Definitely two of the top performers saying, you know, I could just tell, like, they put a lot of emphasis in the stage performance part of it more than just like the. The pen, you know what I'm saying? And I just like to go out there and just have like an out of body experience. Just. Just leave it all on the stage, man. Word, word.

[Jada]

How for the people that don't know, how did Griselda. How y' all did. Did somebody meet in jail? Was y' all grew up. How. How y'. All. How did y' all even link up?

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, nah, shit. Since the beginning, like, since. Since the beginning, like, niggas is family. So it's like, you know what I mean? It started with, like, me, Wes, Benny and Machine Gun Black. Rest in peace, okay? Rest in peace, you know what I'm saying? Then my man Cutter. My man Cutter locked up right now. But he. You know what I'm saying? He started rapping this with us. But this was. Well, when we was older, like, you know what I'm saying? It was a little younger than me. I was Always like the rapper. Like I've been battle rapping and up since like I was 12 years old, 13 years old in the city, just. Just going crazy on whoever was. Was that guy at the time. They had to see me. So that started with that. And you know, them boys just seeing me, watching me, you know what I'm saying? Seeing how I get busy, it just turned into like, yo, something crazy. And then, you know what I'm saying, like, Benny just started becoming a monster himself, you know what I'm saying? And just, you know, man, we grew like that. That shit grew like that. But it ain't really like get. We ain't really take it to like the business side or really start trying to get serious until like after I got shot, you know what I'm saying? Once I got shot and like everybody was home, like. Cause niggas wouldn't ever really be home from jail at the same time too. So like Shane gonna be locked up, Benny would be home, Benny would be locked up, Wes locked up. You know what I mean? We weren't really never all on the streets at the same time until after I got shot, you know what I'm saying? Then after I got shot, it was just like, nah, bro, let's just. You gotta be the one to take us there. Go crazy. Just put everything in the get you sturdy, you know what I'm saying?

[Craig]

Question I have is I've been to Buffalo.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

You know they still got the Bronx crackheads in Buffalo. Like you wonder where the crackheads went. They in Buffalo.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah. No, it's just crazy.

[Craig]

The Bronx crackheads is in Buffalo. Right. And I've been there.

[Jada]

And.

[Craig]

It'S so hard to get out of Buffalo.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

So to explain to everybody out there, you from upstate New York, that's like a six, seven hour drive from the boroughs. Yeah, right?

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

How did you have hope? Not only that, how did you really get on from Buffalo? And then the whole crew got on too. Like, how did you think you could make it from Buffalo?

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Conway the Machine]

And no, like, nobody think they gonna make it and nothing like football niggas don't think they gonna make it to the league. N. S don't be n. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's crack. And that's it. You feel me? The streets. That's it. You feel me? And. But I always had the mind state, dog. Just the right people hear me, I'm outta here. Cause I just always felt like I ain't. It ain't too many niggas that could Fuck with me. And that's was way back then, like, you know what I'm saying? 96, 97, 99, 2000, you know what I'm saying? Like, and I think it ain't happened for me, for us. I think that was a blessing in disguise, though, you know what I'm saying? Cause we was blessed with the journey. We was able to learn. We was able to watch eras, we was able to study film, watch y' all game tape, you know what I'm saying? See how y' all doing it. Like you said, Like I was saying. Like, I'm watching Busta Rhymes perform, watching DMX go crazy from the 50,000, you know what I'm saying? I'm able to see that shit and learn and able to take little elements from everything and sharpen my blade till it was time, you know what I mean? But it's definitely, to answer your question, man, it's tough, you know what I mean? I don't really know how we did it, man. It's just. I think it was just time, you know what I'm saying? He just got. Like I said, we got our shit in the right people to the right people, man. It's just like the buzz, they started just talking, you know what I mean? But we was like. We was getting so we was just on our bullshit. Like, we ain't want to even sign no deals or none of that. We ain't want to fuck with nobody. We was just letting nobody coming to fuck with us. Fuck it, we doing our own shit. We ain't really signing, but we. Shit just start getting too crazy. Like, we. The hoodies and shit flying off the table, the CDs. We can't sell the vinyls selling for like a thousand dollars. Like, somebody will buy the vinyl for. For 50. And this, it's on eBay or something for like 1200. We looking at this shit like we getting murals painted in Japan and shit. Paris. It's like this shit getting too crazy.

[Craig]

We need.

[Conway the Machine]

We need management now, you know what I'm saying? At least get some management and you know what I'm saying? That's how we met Paul and all that. But that's how we really got our introduction in the game. Just hustling and making our shit boutique, you know what I mean? It was like we was getting into this Stream era. This was in the beginning of that. We, like, went against that. Like, fuck that. You gotta come see me get this. Yeah, you can only get it. It's only 187 of these. You know we having that 187 on the back of the hoodies. So the hoodies is getting marked up, reselled. They, like, took this formula from, like, the sneaker game. Took that same formula. I said, man, we here today, man. You know what I'm saying?

[Jada]

Fire.

[Craig]

So it went from a mission impossible to get signed to something like that in Buffalo. Once y' all got popping the whole Grisella. They was going out there trying to sign your cousins, everybody.

[Conway the Machine]

Buffalo, yeah, yeah.

[Craig]

No, they.

[Conway the Machine]

They out there. They've been pulling up.

[Craig]

They've been pulling up because, you know, I'm good friends with Bone Thug. They from Cleveland. That's been a little further to get on than Buffalo, right? And when they started popping, they signed every cousin and Cleveland they ever heard. They liked, didn't like, you know, this industry is the industry. They just pull up once they know, like, Warren G, he got snatched from under. He's Dr. Dre's stepbrother. They went out there and Leo Cohen went to Compton. You know, that's what they do.

[Jada]

They all came to school. Street CX to the Jets.

[Craig]

Yeah, he wasn't scared. But you gotta get it popping, though.

[Conway the Machine]

You gotta get it. You gotta outhust.

[Craig]

One thing I love about you guys, first of all, you guys get it, right? Everybody don't get it. And the one thing I loved about you guys is, you know, I come from digging in the crazy. I come from the underground boom bat, right? But what I love about y' all is y' all always invested in your fashion, in your fly. That was a big difference, too.

[Jada]

They took merch to the. They duct tape. They merged to a rocky ship and took that.

[Craig]

But my thing is the fashion. Yeah, Right? So I'm looking at y', all, and y' all sound beats and rhymes.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

You know, that's where we come from. That's where we started. And then. But you guys was, like, throwing that on and all that. And then I could go to an underground concert today. Not for nothing then, they wearing whatever you gave them. Free Def Jam coming out now or something. They. They don't give a fuck, right? And so. But these guys got it. They were like, okay, we're gonna be underground superstars. We're gonna throw that shit on. And who really started that? Or. That's just what it was.

[Conway the Machine]

I mean, I was really the kind of the nature of it in a sense, like. But I think that's why, too. Like, you know, our music and shit, like, the Young, Young Boys and shit kind of fuck with us. And, like, tapped into our shit, too. Cause we able to. They able to relate to us, you know what I'm saying? Like, we was outside doing that. We was the niggas who was having. Having the. The Avrexes and shit on giving them, you know what I'm saying, a little $5 to go to the store or something. You feel me? So they looked up to us and stuff, and I think it just kind of translate worldwide. Like, look at them niggas. Cause, shit, I ain't that young. You feel me? So young, niggas tap in and fuck with me and look up to me like, yo, what up, big bro type shit. What up? So, you know, we be having that shit on and we be talking that shit, too. That's more relevant. But over them, them same type of. I mean, I got Conductor in the cut. I got Derringer in the cut. Alchemist.

[Jada]

I need a dering sign, too, man. I need a couple derringers, man.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, Derringer. Get that, man. Right, man.

[Jada]

Derringer's son.

[Conway the Machine]

Get the hell right. Diesel.

[Jada]

Some of your influences, you work with a lot of legends. I mean, that should show a test of how you get busy. You get a lot of calls from us, from me, Styles, Kane.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Jada]

Dudes that really do music with substance.

[Conway the Machine]

How you feel about that?

[Jada]

Cause niggas don't want to work with some of these garbage.

[Conway the Machine]

Nah, yo, for me, that's. To me, that's the fucking. That's the award, you know what I mean? That's to get my flowers from the MCs. And I respect looking at that shit. Like, at the end of the day, I look at myself like, I'm an MC. I'm true to this hip hop, this. This MCing element of it. Everything else, like, I don't really. You know what I'm saying? I'm emcee first for me. So it's like, for me to just, you know, get that. Get that love, get that embrace, you know what I'm saying? From niggas like Buster, from the Chef, you know what I mean? From Starks and them niggas, you know what I mean? From y'. All. You feel me?

[Jada]

That's what it is.

[Conway the Machine]

I remember we had our first show ever. We ain't never sell a record or nothing. We did our first show. We was on tour. We did it at, I think Webster Hall. First stop was in New York City and Webster hall, man. I came to the show with Prodigy. Like, Prodigy was with us. Hanging all day. Y' all pulled up. You Know what I'm saying? Ray pulled up and performed like held us down. That was war elbow dog. It was like a real hot as hell. I don't think it's gonna. It was crazy. I don't know if it's been no show like that in New York City. That. That feel was tight and intimate since that SOBs got. I mean, that Western hall shit. I've been to a lot of shits. Just the love like it was graffiti and shit on the wall. I know it was all type of little box cutters and pocket rockers in there. It was about 12 pocket rockers in there, you know what I mean? Couple butter knives.

[Craig]

A lot of emcees that were the greatest in the game. Didn't know how to pick beats. You guys know how to pick beats. I won't say their names because they're living, living legends.

[Jada]

I know you're not gonna say their name.

[Craig]

Don't do that.

[Jada]

Home already know that. He ain't gonna.

[Craig]

But there's some legendary artists. When people ask me, yo, why such and such ain't blow. Homeboy was the nicest. This and this and that. But when you heard they beat selection. No, you know, just now we was just vibing to your. You playing like five in a row. All them beats feel like they shooting heroin on the street. You know the back room. Yeah, heels are going down Harlem. I don't know the 60s.

[Conway the Machine]

No, I feel like that come from like, you know what I mean? Having access sometimes when you might got no access to no fire, you know, I mean, you making the best of what you got in front of you, you know what I'm saying? It's like I done been in times like that where the beast was, you know what I mean? Yeah. Then. Then we got Derringer, you know what I'm saying? He was in house like I'm sleeping on the nigga couch, you feel me? And I'm getting asked that he making these shits on the spot now we got al. We got conductors and you know what I mean? Different niggas. Like, it's just the access. We got the resource now, you know what I'm saying? I can hit Swiss, I can hit different niggas and get. I got the resource now, you know what I'm saying? But far as like, you know, that's what I put it as to like, you know what you saying? Some of my legends and shit, you might not have, you know what I mean? A reach to get. No, nothing crazy. And then you. You wanna. You need the Money or you trying to put something out so bad like it. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna just pick the 10 hottest shits that I got right here. Fuck it. You know what I mean? The 12. These 12.

[Jada]

What's your creative process like? I know you need some Z. Yeah.

[Conway the Machine]

What up? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just smoking me one. You feel me? And a lot of. A lot of. A lot of reposado, you know what I'm saying? Some type of. Some type of sports, you know what I mean? Presentation on the screen and on mute and share some. The beast. Crazy.

[Jada]

That's my.

[Conway the Machine]

And by myself, like, all right. Just me and the engineer. Maybe like one of my mans like that. I don't really.

[Jada]

I don't need a party.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah. And they party and I take everybody to work with me.

[Jada]

Day I do what I see. I just gotta sweep first.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Jada]

Know that.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Jada]

Same shit like you. But I gotta sweep at the sweep.

[Conway the Machine]

Sweep.

[Craig]

Actual sweep. They be dirtying it up.

[Jada]

Nah, is this. Is this like a. Like a phobia? I got a sweep.

[Conway the Machine]

Oh, C. D. Yeah.

[Jada]

Ain't even dirty. It's not even nothing on the floor.

[Conway the Machine]

But it's gotta sweep first before you.

[Craig]

Go ask the last thing.

[Jada]

Yeah, I gotta sweep. I'm sweeping something. The negativity.

[Craig]

You write. You write at home or you write right at the studio.

[Jada]

Whatever.

[Craig]

I'm doing both. Like, a lot of. I used to.

[Conway the Machine]

That don't even. I don't even be hitting no pad. A lot of that. Yeah.

[Craig]

Off the top.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah. I mean, I ain't really freestyling. Yeah. I'm thinking of it. I'm giving it thought. Smoke me one or two. And then I'm like, all right, I might take me a nap, son. Wake up. Yeah, I am ready. Load me up. And then I just go like that. So a lot of that on that album I hadn't even wrote. I ain't right. That's. Write that down.

[Jada]

Ew.

[Conway the Machine]

I'm writing the lyrics down now. Cause, you know, like, yo, I need the lyrics. I need the lyrics. So I gotta go back and listen to shit like, damn, what the fuck? I said? You know what I mean?

[Craig]

Well, is there a difference from being high, writing lyrics or being sober?

[Conway the Machine]

For me. Nah, for me. Nah. You know what I'm saying?

[Craig]

People say they gotta be high to write. Do you think it's a difference?

[Jada]

This puts me in a better comfortable. I mean, sometimes you don't need. For me, it's really the beat.

[Conway the Machine]

Yes.

[Jada]

If the beat is super fucking Incredible. I don't need nothing.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Jada]

You know what I'm saying?

[Craig]

Yeah. Cause I used to write and then, you know, towards my later stage of my career, it's more like, let me go in the studio, throw that beat on. I don't even want to hear it before then. Right then it's just. Yeah, I'm just flowing this like, you know, they asked me one time, man, this guy was incredible. I was overseas on one of them tours as some journalists from some fucking country out there. He said, man, what's the process of writing? And I explained to him that once they put a fire beat on, it's like, remember when we was in kindergarten and all that? And they would make them books that the fucking trees popped out and all that? Yeah. The rhymes just pop out. He was looking at me like I was crazy, but I realized I was sounding sounded crazy while I was explaining it to him. But that's how it really worked. When they throw the beat on, you know, to me, the beat tell me what to say. Whether good or bad. Happy, sad, party, whatever. The beat always tell me what to say.

[Conway the Machine]

That's how it is for me. For me too. I need that beat and I need to be in a good space. That beat will wake me up on my sleep. I don't care what, what kind of space I'm in. If that beat crazy, I'm. I'mma stop in my track. Like, I. I did a song on my last shit. I was leaving the studio, it was like 6:30 in the morning. I've been in there, I already did like four shits. I'm drunk, I'm all out, I'm on my way. I'm ready to go to sleep. I'm leaving. So the producer came in. I ain't never worked with this producer or nothing. He just plugging his shit up while he cleaning the joint. This plays, son. I'm like, I stop at the door like, yo, what's that? Nah, I had to have that. And I ended up being on my album. That was crazy. That was crazy.

[Jada]

That's how it works with music. They don't. They give us the least credit. But they know though, for it being an art form. But it's, it's art. When you hear something that mesmerizes you, you gotta have it. Yes.

[Craig]

I mean, like I tell you all the time, this is how we do it. It's Friday night and I'm done. It fun. You go to a party, you throw that on, you rocking. I just told Tess, last time you played that at a party all the time, man. I just told Tess movie going DJ in my house for my birthday. I said yo bro, strictly Harlem. I want to feel like you. I want to thank you. I want do not play. I need that vibe because for some reason I'm telling Chris today, right. I say how they was killing dudes in that time. Right? Like when you if you think about when they the music I'm talking about, you know.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

You know a great time young man or mama used to and you in a club and the beautiful woman are dead. They dancing. I'm not talking about hip hop. How do they get the clapping? Owe money dudes was clapping over their girls. This. This like if you think about that time right? That's a 10 to 10 that's the.

[Conway the Machine]

Thing.

[Craig]

You like how the hell these guys shoot the place up. Like what I heard. Yeah they need they owed money that somebody with somebody girl one of them somebody you know. And so they got the clapping. But you know that make me happy.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

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[Craig]

You know what makes you happy, brother?

[Conway the Machine]

Me? Fucking with my dog, man.

[Jada]

No doubt.

[Conway the Machine]

You know what I'm saying? Fucking with my little bulldog, my little French bulldog, man. Other than that, being left alone. You feel me? Yeah. No phone. My phone off. Chilling. I find my happiness doing that show me playing a little 2K or something or in the studio. Listen, a dope beat makes me happy.

[Jada]

That's a fact. What's going on with drum work?

[Conway the Machine]

We get into it, man. I got, you know, Skis, my artist, J. Skis, he put out. We put him out. We started him in like 20, 20, 20, 21, but he. He just did another. He dropped like two. Two shits this year. He tore. He did a tour this year. I got a sk. My man Kendricks. I got a couple of shooters, man.

[Jada]

Nice roster. Nice.

[Conway the Machine]

Ready?

[Craig]

No, that's beautiful.

[Conway the Machine]

We're doing music. I'm a compilation. Like with all of us. We gonna. You know what I'm saying? Put that shit out this year too, probably.

[Craig]

You know what's beautiful that people don't understand is like, when God give you the opportunity to be the first to get on and live your dream out, and then you go back and say, all right, I'm gonna share it with you.

[Conway the Machine]

Yep.

[Craig]

You know what I'm saying? There's nothing like that. Putting somebody on, helping them see their vision go through. And that's very commendable because you could just be thinking about yourself, you know, I could think of phenomenal artists that we love to death that never put nobody on, meaning rap wise, you know, so when you go out your way to do that, you know, we all get, what, shortcomings or we, we all try to help certain people that went bad, you know what I'm saying? But for the most part, that's a beautiful thing to share your journey and your dream with some up and coming artists.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, nah, it is, it is, you know what I mean? Especially for me, like. Cause I was always a type of person. I don't really, like, I don't mesh well with everybody. Like, I don't really hang around a lot of people. I don't keep a lot of, I keep a small circle. So you know what I mean? For me to even, you know what I mean, Just open up, pause like that like you feel me and let people just come, come with me, you know, I mean, jump in the back seat, man. Let's, let's ride up there together is absolutely inspiring for me, you know what I mean? It's actually doing more for me than them, you know what I mean? Because I'm getting out of my old self, you know what I'm saying? Out of your element. Yeah, man, just a short, temporary, hot headed type dude. I'm just more patient with things now and I know how to calm myself down. I'll get upset and stuff. So that's why I like to be alone, like the isolation, you know what I mean?

[Jada]

No doubt. What you got going? Any more touring? What's going on you guys?

[Craig]

You going back out?

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, I'm about to tour the States starting in November. I think I got a show at the end of October though out here, I'm not sure. But yeah, I'm going back on that road, you know, I stay on that.

[Jada]

Road, no doubt touching them people.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, I like to be in, I like to be on that stage and just, you know, with my fans, man, you know, taking them pictures and signing 30 vinyls, you know what I'm saying?

[Jada]

Wait, with the vinyls they got apple tags on.

[Conway the Machine]

That's a fact, you know, where you at? Them got like 30 albums, so they like. Nah, I got them all machine, you know what I mean? But yeah, I'm going back on roll. I'm going back over overseas and I got some couple of shows out in Greece, you know what I'm saying?

[Craig]

Mongolia, you ever been to Mongolia? That's when you know, crack trying to get the bag when he go to Mongolia. I had a dude in jail with me, a white boy, you know, it's real racial in jail. But I put him down with our coup. Nobody wanted him. But I seen that I Seen the strength of them. I used to call him Hong Kong's Mongolia, right? So one day he comes up to me a month later, he says, hey, boss. I said, what's up? He said, I just realized Hong Kong and Mongolia is two different places. I said, I don't give a fuck. We lucky I gave you a nickname. Hong Kong's Mongolian. I'm going to Mongolia. That. That's a trip.

[Jada]

Who's on there with her bag is on the show. Who you going there with?

[Craig]

Superior. If you hear Fat Joe, you know I hate to fly.

[Jada]

If you hear me flying Mongolia, is.

[Craig]

This that like eight hours after China or some wild. It's a mission. I gotta go to Dubai. From Dubai to China, then Mongolia. You're gonna stop in Dubai, pick up a couple of, you know, bags, and then, you know, what's up, man. You know what's going on. You know what I'm saying? But, you know, that's that Mongolia, man. That shit far as fuck we gonna see what it is. Where you been at? Where the fans was the craziest about.

[Jada]

Y' all everywhere, nigga.

[Conway the Machine]

Oh, man, shit.

[Jada]

Probably somewhere you didn't expect.

[Conway the Machine]

Probably. Probably in Greece and probably South America. South America was Daisy. It was crazy, bro. South America is. This is. It's a whole. It's electricity, man. It's a whole different type of energy. Insane, dog. The shows was shows. The line was around two blocks.

[Craig]

I gotta go. Promoter. Whoever your promoter was, I needed.

[Conway the Machine]

I need my phrase.

[Craig]

I didn't do so good. Yeah, Latino, I'm gonna keep it real. That's one of the only places I ain't do good. Look, I sell my shit out all the time. Yeah, but I went to South America. That shit was light work, but I seen Wu Tang go out there, and that shit was crazy. And I was like, damn, I must have went with a whack promoter.

[Conway the Machine]

Now, that was crazy.

[Jada]

I need his promoter.

[Craig]

Yeah, we need that guy.

[Conway the Machine]

That shows insanity out there, dog.

[Craig]

Wow.

[Conway the Machine]

Whoa. We shot the video out there in Bogota and no, man, we was just out there. See, that's what he's lying.

[Jada]

Videos in Bogota you doing.

[Conway the Machine]

Whoa. The danger element was. Was definitely profound, though.

[Jada]

Yeah, it's heavy.

[Conway the Machine]

The danger is in and out. Hurry up. You got that shot. Let's get out of here. Go, go.

[Jada]

Cartels over there abducting people and all type of boga talk. The nigga's name indeed in Gleeke. You know, in Gleeke, right?

[Craig]

You want me to tell a story? Do you want me to tell a story? I Got one.

[Jada]

Let me hear you.

[Craig]

So they paid me, wow money to go to Columbia. Like, wow money, right? And they did like, stadiums, and they were empty. They had a little 500,000 people shit. Supposed to have 10, 15,000 people. I walk in after the second show in the hotel and fly hotels, this guy blew the bag. And I see his workers just looking like mad nervous and shit, you know, people who are being nice to me and all that. And he was over there talking to him like this. I walked over, said, my wife upstairs. I went with my wife. I was like, yo, what's up, papi? He said, what's up? I would like to take a bath. A boy bat with nails in it and put it in your ass, Turn it inside, said. So I'm like, take a bat with nails, turn it in your ass. I want to hang you upside down. And then he start talking. All this is in Colombia, Columbia, right? So I get it. He lost a super bag with just what he paid me. Then he had to rent stadiums. He thought Fat Joe was gonna be pandemonium. And shit was light work, right? So he talking crazy Tony Montana shit. But I tell him when he finished, I said, yo, you know what, man? You missed your calling. You should be in Hollywood writing them scripts.

[Jada]

Legendary.

[Craig]

Cause the shit you saying, no, I'm not gonna lie. Shit. Phenomenal. Like, you got that shit, you know? But me, I don't give a fuck. I'm not really scared of you, my man. So it is what it is. You should stop arguing with your thing. I go upstairs. The next day, we go to Medellin. My daughter grew up with a little girl. Since they was in kindergarten. Her father comes to school and all events. I know I'm Colombian, man. Dressed nice, nice. Most decent guy, this, this that. He invited us to his house and met a Ying. So we got four cops, our security. We get to the block, to the hill, because up on a mountain, and they was like, big mistake. You're not going to. I said, yeah, I'm going up there. He was like, no way, no way. I'm like, senor such and such is my friend. He said, he's your friend? I said, my friend, we go up there, bro. They made. I don't know if you know what sancocho is. They made a pot of sancocho soup. This shit was like a human could fit in there. They was like this. Then they had a living room. A living room where the glass opens. You. You was. You wasn't with us, ass. And the horses was doing pasafinos. Doing them horses, you see, with the tricks and this and this and that.

[Jada]

It was in the living room, man.

[Craig]

They had a swimming pool, the horses, they were swimming and shit in the living room. So imagine how we watch NFL. They got the horses topping, doing this and this and that, right? I never seen no shit like this. I never been a part of this. I get back to the hotel, the promoter dude who just told me he wants to shove a bat in my ass, flip me upsa Fat Joe, why didn't you tell you know Mr. Mountain? I said I didn't even know he was that dude. He's in Miami Undercover. Nicest guy seeing him at school. He looked like ghosts. Like ghosts. He was the Colombian ghost. When I go over there, he was like, why you don't tell me, you know Mr. Madden? I say, this is my guy. It's my sorry for everything I said the day before. I'm so sorry. Did I said, nah, nah, it's all good, brother. It's all love. And I happen to know the guy by mistake. That's my Columbia story.

[Jada]

That was a good one.

[Conway the Machine]

That was a good one.

[Jada]

Good one.

[Conway the Machine]

That was a good one.

[Jada]

That was a good one. What else you got going on outside of music now? You like to invest. I know you like the. You got the label, you do the merch. You do shit. You got any cannabis?

[Conway the Machine]

You got. Yeah, you got some cannabis? We got some. We got some drum work, exotics, you know what I'm saying? We got. I'm writing a little short film.

[Jada]

Five.

[Conway the Machine]

I'm about to. About to dabble in the podcast space.

[Jada]

No doubt. Why not?

[Conway the Machine]

I gotta get some back. I gotta like some full, like, full review to another. Another little space like that and just getting, getting, getting more artists.

[Craig]

You're still a foodie.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, yeah. Only certain, though, I don't really eat anything though. And I mean, but certain, yeah, I'm gonna fuck with him, you know what I'm saying?

[Craig]

You know, I went to Thailand. We did Rolling Loud. We did Rolling Loud and Thailand.

[Jada]

How was Thailand do that one, man? I told him I wanted to do that.

[Craig]

All right, but listen, it's a little bit of a culture shock or whatever, but the point is, I stood in the hotel, I was scared. I'm gonna keep it real.

[Jada]

I got like, them. You don't know if it was in.

[Craig]

I was in the fanciest hotel you could be at, man. This shit was incred. I was scared to eat, like, if it wasn't like eggs and turkey. But I Was not eating this. Sure enough, I go on Instagram and little Uzi is eating like a chocolate beef fried roach or some. That went viral. I said, I am not leaving this room. I'm sitting here watching cnn. Regular breakfast at the. Listen, the hotel was out of control fly. You know, I'm sitting my sweet is here. Cardi B's here. Little Uzi like everybody was somebody. So the was too fly. But I was scared. With no disrespect. I was scared to like try like.

[Conway the Machine]

Go on the street. And that's how I been.

[Jada]

You still got your festival?

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, I still got the festival.

[Jada]

Me last year. That was crazy.

[Conway the Machine]

Crazy. Yeah, yeah.

[Jada]

His own festival.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah. Drum work fest. We did it for a couple of years and we gonna reboot that, you know, I mean, probably bring it back 26, another 26.

[Craig]

You know, I'm up there two, three weeks from now. And yeah, seen that Buffalo, the God coming through. You know what I'm saying?

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, yeah, hip hop and all.

[Craig]

Yo, kiss. You got my man. Shout out to my barber. Should have went to heck. You know my shit symmetric my. You can look at this 3D from everything.

[Jada]

You see what I gotta deal with?

[Craig]

No, but shoulda went to heck. His wedding is that same day and I can't make it because I got that show in Buffalo. It was a time. But shout out to should have went to heck. And his wife to be.

[Jada]

How'd you meet?

[Conway the Machine]

Alcohol just on Twitter.

[Jada]

Like he heard something once Al know he could spit. He'd reach out to you.

[Conway the Machine]

That's exactly what happened. Like he. He tight as I got like a people was tagging me. He didn't even know my Twitter handle. I didn't really have many followers or nothing. I just started the page and he was. He seen the freestyle I signed. I was on YouTube like, Yo, Ukraine DM me the number. Like yo, that's leg. Well, next time you come to la, come through. And we did that. And the rest was restless history.

[Jada]

That's fine.

[Craig]

Love Alchemist, bro. I'm glad everybody, you know, he always was that dude. But I'm glad they acknowledging it now and they seeing his greatness, you know. You know, guy like Alchemist quiet, real hip hop.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

And now he doing Erykah Badu album. I listened to the Freddie Gibbs album. I listened to, you know, pretty much anything he got to do with. I tune in on Alchemist. What was the big moments for you? Like who did you meet? What was the time that someone came up to you and just said like, you Guys.

[Conway the Machine]

Oh, man. Probably probably ho. Probably hov. We was doing that show out in.

[Jada]

La and he pulled up.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, he just pulled up like they was at a game or some shit. Feel me across the street at the stables. And nigga just pulled up, watch the show like I'm performing. I go for a tower. I look up, he's standing there on the stage just watching. I'm like, yo, am I bugging for.

[Craig]

Me, N. You was bugging. Even though it happened. Don't do.

[Conway the Machine]

I was bugging.

[Craig]

I mean, I invited him to 36 birthday parties. He ain't never pull up.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, yeah, that kd, you know what I'm saying? That pulled up to a show, was tapped in, just like knowing the music.

[Jada]

Easy Money Sniper, he love. He love hip hop. It's a hip hop level. We got some dope beats, too. Yeah, KD produced.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Oh, I ain't know that. Yo, kd, Katie, kd one of them dudes that if I big him up or something, he'll diss me on Twitter, you know, I keep telling you, I got certain guys that when I big them up, they. They'll diss me for the culture. They'll be like, yo, Craig, Footage. I don't really know about that. It's like, I got a selective list now that I could big up. You can't even big up 20, 24.

[Jada]

Big up, KD, man.

[Craig]

That's my boy trying to tell you. I big him up. Yo. I never seen a better dude at the Rucker. This, this, that. You cat crack that day. I'm like, yo, this guy. Like, I can't. I don't know, man. Gang, we in the media space now. Yeah, so we ain't in the rapper space. You got the hoodie on still.

[Conway the Machine]

You chilling, rapper.

[Craig]

We out here talking to dudes. Sometimes I big dudes up and they come at me like that. That's not how I. And I'm on, man. I bigged you up, dog. Like, so kd, I remember that Jay Z, you know what I mean?

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, that went viral.

[Jada]

When old pulled up to his man.

[Craig]

West side Gun, man, I love this guy, man. I remember going down Times Square and he had the whole. The big billboard, but he had the balencia like that. He want to dress right. Like. I love that shit. Like, he got that Balenciaga 3 quarter on this with the back. I'm like, I had to step out the car because you know that hip hop. But that's that shit right there, you know what I'm saying? So shout out Your man, West side, Gunner, Benny, you guys, you know, pretty much you guys just restored a feeling, right? A void that was really, really missing. And even guys who felt like you, who were nice like you, they chose the other route. Trying to be the gimmick or the new or the this or the that.

[Jada]

Microwave shit.

[Craig]

Microwave shit. And y' all just said, you know what? We going beats and rhymes. And then you caught everybody. Like a hov that loves real hip hop. The essence, the purity. Cause very rare with the youth to see somebody. Cause that is the harder route. The beats and rhymes. Correct.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Cause the overnight success is the gimmick shit. You understand what I'm saying? But you know, not to say some of them ain't nice. Oh, my God. Some of them, you know, these.

[Jada]

Not too many.

[Craig]

I'm. I'm.

[Jada]

I'm overnight. It's not. It's not too many overnights, you know.

[Craig]

But that's what we feel like pain. There was a huge void there. You know what I mean? And guys who were doing what you were doing never really took off.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

And so when y' all start taking off and y' all start creating your.

[Jada]

Own, they made it.

[Craig]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Dan]

I'm Dan. He's Ty.

[Ty]

Hello.

[Dan]

And we're the Solid Verbal College football podcast.

[Ty]

College football season is here and you know what that means.

[Dan]

Your team is going to break your heart three times, probably before Halloween.

[Jada]

Uh huh.

[Ty]

But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback.

[Dan]

Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport.

[Ty]

Whether you're a diehard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan.

[Dan]

We don't just love college football, Ty, we live it.

[Ty]

Listen to the Solid Verbal college football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jada]

Legacy. Where you see yourself, Drum work, Griselda in the next five years.

[Conway the Machine]

Rich like y'. All.

[Craig]

I count everybody.

[Conway the Machine]

Pocket.

[Craig]

You come in with a staff. He come in with a staff of five.

[Jada]

I count everybody.

[Craig]

He got the, had the bucket low like it though. He got some money, this guy.

[Jada]

How important is it to give back, you know what I mean? Showing the, the younger, the, what they call these guys, the Y ins in Buffalo that you know you can make it. It's some hope, some sense of encouragement.

[Conway the Machine]

It's extremely important, man. Cause especially coming from Buffalo, we ain't had that. We ain't had nobody to give us no advice, no encouraging words or even show us a blueprint how to, you know what I'm saying, make it in that space. So it's important, you know what I mean? And that's what this is all about, you know what I mean? You can't take none of this shit with you, man, but you can leave it here. You can leave it lie here. You came back. So I don't want it to end, you know what I'm saying? What we was able to accomplish for the city of Buffalo and the whole upstate, you know what I'm saying? I don't want it to end with just us. So we gotta, we gotta, you know what I'm saying? We gotta pour it back in, put it back in the pot, you feel me?

[Craig]

Yeah. Like I said, I seen Wanda, I seen Tyrone, I seen June Bug. All the crackheads from 88 up there in that. In that Buffalo, they shipped them up. I'm telling you, I was outside in Buffalo, I said, God damn. Got the fucking Bronx crackheads up here. So let me. Let me ask you something in the streets. Perspective, right? Because you said one of y' all was always in jail. I never heard that perspective. So being from Buffalo and upstate. Yeah, but all the jails are up there, right? And so, like, when you go, you got a bigger crew?

[Jada]

No. I wonder if they send them down. Did they send us up there?

[Conway the Machine]

No. This is the question.

[Craig]

Do you go to jail upstate?

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

With everybody you grew up with. So are y', all, like, deeper?

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It be a lot of Buffalo in upstate Pens.

[Craig]

And even the cops like, here, we can't relate to them. Right. So if you in Rikers island, you got some black Spanish cops, they talking to you like, black and Spanish cops. Then you go up north, and that's. That's when you're dealing with gay and all that. Yeah, yeah, but y' all already dealing with them. Y' all live Buffalo. So y'. All. Y' all know who. Uncle Tom.

[Conway the Machine]

100%. Yeah.

[Craig]

Scott's.

[Conway the Machine]

No, that's a fact. 100. Yeah.

[Craig]

I never knew. Every time I went upstate to visit somebody, I always thought of, like, is there, like, a Buffalo crew or upstate crew that. They right there, go in there. They across the street now. I don't want to go there. Don't do that to me. I'm not good with the cold.

[Jada]

They end it.

[Craig]

I'm a sunshine that below zero. My brother did time upstate, man, that. I don't give a. What clothes you sent them. That was cold. He'd be like, yo, Joe, I ain't go outside this cold. Couple of artists, you ain't got to say top five, but a couple of artists to pave the way for you that you. That, you know, you consider living legend. You know, you really. What they work.

[Conway the Machine]

There's plenty. There's plenty of. You know, I mean, it was just, like, recent. Like, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say. Like, I'm gonna say my Mars. Rock Marcy.

[Jada]

Yeah. Shout out to Rock Marc.

[Conway the Machine]

I'm gonna say my Sauce Walker.

[Craig]

Sauce Walker's nice to you?

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

Hey, Jada, why you always act like I'm. I'm not just saying. That's a great. I like.

[Conway the Machine]

I like Herb. I like g. Herbal.

[Jada]

Herb is my.

[Craig]

Can't lie to you. Just had a show in Vegas. When I walked off stage, they played the record and I had to ask like four or five. I said, who's that? Yeah, who's that? Who that? And then it was like, yo, that's G. Herbal.

[Conway the Machine]

I was like, nah, Herbal like that. Herbal's nice. Herb. Herb nice.

[Craig]

That record kind of like touched the third rail.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, no, Herb nice.

[Craig]

Every now and then a record you hear a song and that shit touched. Third round. Oh, this crazy. That's your guys? Yeah, right now.

[Conway the Machine]

That's what I'm. That's what I'm listening to. I'm with right now. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, listen to that. Clips. You know. You know that's out right now. You already know that.

[Craig]

Go to that show, James.

[Jada]

You.

[Craig]

You call me by everything else. You ain't tell me the Clips was here too. I was sitting on the couch, I was doing absolutely nothing.

[Jada]

Group text of all these shows and then tell us that one.

[Craig]

The Clips, bro. You think we wasn't fucking pulling up? You gotta be out of fucking like this. I wanted to be in attendance. I don't want vip. I would have been right in the crowd loving this show.

[Jada]

Real hip hop shit, James.

[Craig]

You see, when I say they be trying to do shit to me like I'm trying to go to the. I'm going with the family to the Bad Bunny concert. And I got the call. I ain't really want today, even though it's nothing but love, but I got the call. Yo, we don't want you to see people. We're going to take you through the house where you get the free drinks with the. I thought we was going to be in the crowd. Like, you know, eip, vip, they don't want that we supposed to pull up at this place.

[Jada]

They ain't letting you see humans.

[Craig]

No, they ain't letting me see humans. You think I'd be joking about that? They just gave me the call, heard you coming.

[Jada]

No humans, we're gonna.

[Craig]

No humans, we're gonna slip you in backstage, put you through the. I'm like, I thought I was gonna really act up, you know what I'm saying? But yeah, the Clips. Clips album is he's Clips album crazy, man. I hope. I hope what they did just beats and rhymes continues to do the numbers they did. Now everybody wanna make up Hoax and just that them boys did numbers. Know what I'm saying? For not commercialized like you guys, you'll ever do a song with like Selena Gomez and like that, I would love to.

[Conway the Machine]

I can't I can't wait to.

[Craig]

Are you ready?

[Conway the Machine]

Hell, yeah. Yeah.

[Craig]

See, I've hung out.

[Conway the Machine]

I've hung out with D a couple times. We. I. I definitely threw that on the table with my man Clovis. Like, yeah, man, we got. We gotta get in that studio together. You know what I'm saying?

[Craig]

I see it. I see, you know, me, I'm, you know. You know, I started underground, brother, and my dream was to be a big artist and a superstar. And. And the minute I got the opportunity, I did it. You know what I'm saying? Then you, you know, I get it. I see what you're saying. I fuck with that. Everybody don't fuck with that. Just everybody don't.

[Jada]

The goal is to not to get the out of here. So you got the new album in the distro deal with Roc Nation. Tell us about that. Bagalicious.

[Conway the Machine]

No, you can't Kill God with Bullets. About to drop that, man. It was like I said.

[Craig]

Can't kill what?

[Conway the Machine]

Can't kill God with bullets.

[Craig]

These titles, it was important for me.

[Conway the Machine]

To, you know, do have as a part of my chapter to be fucking with Roc Nation. And you know what I'm saying? Bring my album, bring my business over here with them. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Lit now. Lit. You know what I mean? Btc man. Belt the Coolo season Giving belt, man.

[Craig]

Belted tc, you know, Now I'm surprised I ain't think of that one, right? Cool little puppy. We gonna whip your ass for real.

[Jada]

How's your relationship with God? Or the most High or. You know.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah, well, God is the greatest, man. God is the greatest.

[Craig]

Say it for the guys in the back. God is the greatest, man.

[Jada]

Say it for the back of the congregation.

[Craig]

You know, that's how I feel, right? So if God forbid, I got shot right now and I got five seconds, I'm praying to God that's how much belief and faith I have in God.

[Jada]

Who else you gonna pray to?

[Craig]

Or some guys don't want to pray to? It is. What I'm trying to tell you is I've seen a guy preaching in the UK and a man took his time to stop and argue with him. That's fake. This you preaching fake you. This. This is. You know, it's good to see because I never seen that before. I never seen somebody, you know, have that energy and that perspective against God. But some guy was. They were just arguing with the guy in the uk. He was like, hey, God told me to tell you he loves you. This, this, that we don't care we about, you know what they. There's. There's the opposite side of that. So, you know, to know that God is the greatest, you know, is the greatest key to have. I mean, for me, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, God is everything to me. But for real, it's hard.

[Jada]

Very beautiful.

[Craig]

This guy crazy, man.

[Jada]

That was beautiful.

[Craig]

Y' all jada crazy. Y' all think I'm crazy. He witty like a month. Now I know why you top five. Cause you be shooting me every episode like this. Hey, Joe, what about them legs? What I'm looking at this guy thought they get you a destroying me into a leg deal.

[Jada]

About to get you a deal. There you go. This did what? 100 million for the calf.

[Craig]

Now this guy's insane. But brother man, we'd like to thank you for taking the time out.

[Jada]

Pulling will it. Check it out. Look forward. He down with Roc Nation. Distro drum work is coming.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Jada]

Griselda's already here. I know what we doing.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Jada]

BTC Delta cooler.

[Craig]

I got to tell you, we sit down and thank God. A whole bunch of artists want to sit on the blue couch. And my business partner, I gotta say, y' all think we doing good. And Fat Joe crazy. But this guy, he's very selectful with the artist to sit on the couch. He got a problem. He turns down guys is big.

[Conway the Machine]

Yeah.

[Craig]

And your name came up and in one second he was like, yo, 100%. You know me for a guy like me, I look up, I don't even say nothing. I ain't even. Because I don't think that ever happened when someone is mentioning. He's like, yeah, 1 million percent. I just look up. Okay, stay down. I guess we got him on the show because he got them co sign woo. He's a hard one to get sometimes.

[Jada]

Everybody come up same thing with a yo.

[Craig]

Don't say no. Nobody's name. He ain't man. They say y think he's a nice guy. This guy diabolical boy. I just be like, you know, I don't listen, bro, we just want you to know we love you. Contributions to the game.

[Jada]

Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise to Conway the Machine. You heard.

[Conway the Machine]

Foreign.

[Julian Edelman]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

Hey, it's Ryan Seacrest for Albertsons and Safeway. Feel good and look good this summer with savings on your personal care favorites and earn four times points now through September 9th. Shop in store or online for items like Dollar Shave Club razors, Hydro Silk razors and Edge shave gel. Plus some favorite brands like Tampax, Pearl, Depend and Poise to earn four Times points to use for later discounts on groceries or gas. Hurry in before these deals are gone. Offer end September 9th. Restrictions apply. Offers may vary. Visit albertsons or safeway.com for more details.

[Dan]

I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello and we're the Solid Verbal College football Podcast.

[Ty]

Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan.

[Dan]

Join us all season long as we ride the roller coaster of this ridiculous sport.

[Ty]

Listen to the solid verbal college football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dan]

We don't just love college football, Ty, we live it.