Erick Sermon talks 'Dynamic Duos' album: Tupac, Biggie, Mobb Deep, Snoop & more

Summary

Podcast Summary: Joe and Jada – Erick Sermon talks ‘Dynamic Duos’ album: Tupac, Biggie, Mobb Deep, Snoop & more

Release Date: December 4, 2025
Hosts: Fat Joe (“Joe Crack”) & Jadakiss (“Jada”)
Guest: Erick Sermon
Podcast: Joe and Jada
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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Episode Overview

This episode welcomes hip-hop titan and legendary producer Erick Sermon to discuss his upcoming "Dynamic Duos" project and to share iconic stories from the history of rap music. Over nearly two hours, Erick, Joe, and Jada dive deep into the evolution of hip-hop production, music industry lessons, tales of almost-signings (Tupac, Biggie, Game, Ludacris, etc.), economic realities for artists then and now, and the reflections that come with building a legacy. True to the spirit of the show, the conversation blends humor, honesty, and unfiltered real talk about life in and outside the booth.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Erick Sermon's Musical Genius and EPMD's Legacy

• First Salvos: Joe and Jada open with a celebratory—and playful—roast of Sermon’s place in hip-hop.
  • “You're a fucking genius. You're ahead of your time.” – Fat Joe (05:12)
• EPMD’s DIY Origin: Sermon explains they didn’t even know what a “producer” was—early EPMD music was made with whatever records they found at home, not deep record digging.
  • “Whatever that was at the crib is what we sampled, man.” – Erick Sermon (13:46)
• Learning Song Structure: Erick admits he learned to build choruses after watching others.
  • “That’s when I learned how to make a chorus. Before that, I had no clue.” – Erick Sermon (14:36)

2. Discovering and Passing on Future Superstars

• Redman’s Discovery: Story of meeting Redman via DoItAll from Lords of the Underground—an instant connection sparked by a unique rhyme.
  • “He didn’t say Sting like Muhammad Ali… I already knew it was special.” – Erick Sermon (15:22)
• Hip-hop ‘What-ifs’: Sermon reflects on chance encounters with giants—he almost signed Biggie, Raekwon, Rick Ross, Game, Ludacris, even worked with a young 50 Cent and G-Unit.
  • “I could have had Wu-Tang Clan. I didn’t. Rick Ross slept in my basement four months. I didn’t take him seriously.” – Erick Sermon (17:26)
  • “Ludacris knocked on my door for a month in Atlanta... I looked at him as Reggie.” – Erick Sermon (19:06)
• Industry Context: Fat Joe joins in—he himself could have signed or worked with Eminem, Pitbull, and others, and muses on how “right place, right time” is only obvious in hindsight.
  • “Any good thing, they laugh at you… and then when you get that bag, they tell you how much of a genius you are.” – Fat Joe (37:15)

3. Financial Realities & Lessons from the Industry

• Money Then vs Now: The trio compares the money new artists make today to the struggle of prior generations.
  • “EPA’s first record deal was $1,500. I got 750, Paris got 750.” – Erick Sermon (29:34)
  • “We was number one in the country. I was getting $500 a show” – Fat Joe (29:18)
• Owning Publishing and Sampling: Joe and Erick break down how owning your publishing rights pays off and how expensive sampling can be (e.g., paying $200k to sample Marvin Gaye).
  • “My check was 250 grand every three months for 4% ownership. Just for that.” – Erick Sermon on ‘I Don’t Wanna Know’ sample, (27:40)
  • “How much did it cost you to sample Marvin Gaye?” – Fat Joe (71:08)
  • “200,000. It didn’t matter because Clive gave me 4 million.” – Erick Sermon (71:11)
• Streaming and Artist Revenue: Discussion of how platforms like Spotify pay artists little compared to the actual value created.
  • “The president of Spotify in 2024, he made $300 million… they’re giving us 0.4 cent.” – Erick Sermon (63:38)
  • “This is the only business that glorifies you getting fucked.” – Fat Joe (65:48)
• The Direct Approach: Sermon and Joe encourage artists to focus on direct-to-fan sales.
  • “If 8,000 people give me $20… it’s 160 grand. Direct to consumer is back now.” – Erick Sermon (68:28)

4. Industry Wisdom and Regret

• Learning Business the Hard Way: Both Sermon and Joe reflect on poor financial literacy among artists, managers, and label relationships.
  • “We know about money… but you didn’t learn that. You think everybody’s just cool. But the business, it is a business, you know, and you find out later on. So that’s how people get stuck and we get IRS.” – Erick Sermon (55:54)
  • “The worst thing is you got somebody you trust. That’s how they get you with somebody you really, really trust.” – Fat Joe (63:29)

5. Brotherhood, Respect, and Rap Culture

• Mutual Admiration: Throughout, Joe and Jada heap praise on Erick for his enduring creativity; Jada and Joe share stories of music that defined their youth, hustle, and families.
• The Gatekeeper Shuffle: Relating to artists not delivering on promised collaborations (and sometimes being guilty themselves).
  • “TI is one… no response. Kanye West told me. Snoop told me.” – Erick Sermon (48:38)
  • “I was one of them… sometimes I’d be like, I just didn’t do it.” – Erick Sermon (51:59)

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Highlighted Quotes & Moments

• “Whatever that was at the crib is what we sampled, man.” – Erick Sermon (13:46)
• “He didn’t say Sting like Muhammad Ali… I already knew it was special.” – Erick Sermon (15:22)
• “I could have had Wu-Tang Clan. I didn’t. Rick Ross slept in my basement four months.” – Erick Sermon (17:26)
• “If you tell [your core fans] to do something, they gonna do it. You don’t need a million fans.” – Erick Sermon (68:28)
• “You’re a genius... His talent, his name is Eric Shain, not Sherman.” – Fat Joe (05:12)
• “President of Spotify made $300 million… we’re getting 0.4 cent.” – Erick Sermon (63:38)
• “You want to talk about my era? I came in the game… Jay Z, Nas, Just Ice.” – Fat Joe (38:14)
• “Let the platform take it for promo, but at least you got your people.” – Erick Sermon (68:53)

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Erick Sermon's “Dynamic Duos” Album

Project Story & Challenges

• Sermon explains he started "Dynamic Duos" pre-COVID, driven by frustration that legends weren’t making more music. Delays followed due to pandemic, then further as he worked to clear samples and estates for legendary artists who’ve passed.
  • “So now I do the Biggie Small’s Tupac record… Tupac estate, I offered his sister $100,000… she was going through it with Universal.” – Erick Sermon (78:27)
• The album unites pairs and collects new/previously-unreleased verses from Biggie, Tupac, Redman, Snoop Dogg, Nate Dogg, Mobb Deep, and many more.
• Clearing All the Rights: Sermon details the endless negotiations to clear estates for deceased artists (Prodigy, Nate Dogg, Sean Price, etc.), explaining how time-consuming it can be.
  • “The estate means everybody… has to say yes if they’re on the paper…” – Erick Sermon (81:14)

Tracklist & Performances Played Live (timestamps):

• M.O.P – “Sidewalk Executives” (around 87:34–91:42)
  • “This is street certified fire… I done played my part, done gave my heart through my career, done made my mark…” – M.O.P, played by Erick Sermon
• The LOX – “Where You At” (96:12–98:19)
  • “Which rapper wanna smile on their neck? You a [expletive], you ain’t say Styles is the best…” – Styles P, The LOX
• Conway the Machine, Lil Wayne & Game (99:23–102:45)
  • “New God flow, I’m God’s son, twelve goons to my apostles, when I—Eric Sermon is gospel…” – Game, Conway, Lil Wayne on the track

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• Introduction & Praise for Sermon (03:11–06:13)
• Sampling and Producing Origins (12:07–14:59)
• Redman Discovery Story (15:03–16:48)
• Passing on Icons (Wu-Tang, Biggie, Rick Ross, etc.) (16:49–19:45)
• Financial Realities—Old School vs. New (29:12–30:32)
• Ownership, Publishing, and Sampling Marvin Gaye (71:08–72:14)
• Streaming Economics & Direct to Consumer Pitch (63:38–70:51)
• Unreleased Collabs and Artist ‘Ghosting’ (47:45–51:59)
• Dynamic Duos—Project Background & Guest List (74:01–82:31)
• Live Album Previews from Dynamic Duos (“Sidewalk Executives,” “Where You At?,” “Conway/Wayne/Game” joints) (87:34–102:45)
• Reflections on Business, Trust, and Industry Lessons (55:54–57:09; 60:49–65:48)
• Closing Comments & Respect for Each Other (91:42–99:01)

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Tone, Flow & Show Culture

The episode’s tone is relaxed, funny, unapologetically raw, and rooted in streetwise authenticity. The hosts balance praise and playful banter, frequently swapping stories from studio to street. There’s deep respect for longevity, the grind of hip-hop, and for artists who build and retain their independence.
The concluding message is one of community and resilience—honoring those who came before, celebrating the present, and dropping wisdom for those headed down similar paths.

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Bottom Line:
This episode is essential listening for anyone interested in the inside stories behind classic hip-hop records, the harsh financial and business lessons of the music industry, and new insights into how a legend like Erick Sermon continues to create, collaborate, and influence decades into his career.
Don’t miss: Actual audio previews of unreleased “Dynamic Duos” tracks (starting 87:34, 96:12, 99:23), plus raw, actionable wisdom on music ownership and navigating an industry that’s always changing.

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[C]

I gotta flex one time cause I don't talk I know there's nobody like me I don't give a who out there cause again people talk About? Don't talk. I'm talking now.

[A]

Yo, what up, y'? All? This is Joe Crack.

[C]

Yes, it's your boy Jada. Yo, sir, you know what it is?

[A]

Yes, sir.

[D]

The Joe and Jada Show. Every show, legendary. Every show, iconic. And we never let you down. Today's guest. When you think of hip hop, when you think of style, fashion, iconic. When you think of one of the first sonically voices that drove everybody crazy. When you think of camaraderie, chemistry, when you think of production, when you think of a mentor that created a conglomerate in the dynasty way back before people was even doing that kind of things with their labels and artists. When you think of somebody that's underrated, for those that must have been under a rock or just stupid, but you know what I mean, he don't really get mad because he get to the bag and the bags get to him, so. But when you think of underrated and you just think of one of the people, one of the pillars in hip hop that never fades away, he always finds a way to get to the vault.

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I know.

[D]

Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for Eric Serb.

[A]

First of all, I like that.

[C]

That's true. That intro was Joe.

[A]

He.

[C]

That's not.

[A]

It wasn't. He ain't with me.

[C]

It wasn't you, though.

[A]

He ain't with me.

[D]

What?

[A]

Right?

[D]

He.

[A]

Nah, you ain't. Yo, that's a great intro, but you won't pull it back.

First of all, I ain't get the memo or the camel. Y' all look like y' all join MAGA and like.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, but that's some other camera.

[A]

He looked like the Count of Monte Cristo.

[C]

That's it right there in the hat.

[A]

That's the Count. The Monte Cristo. This look like he killed the whole community right now.

[C]

This nigga's crazy, Yo.

[A]

Eric Sherman, a genius. That's the words he missed out. You're a fucking genius. You're ahead of your time. He didn't say the word genius. No, no. I'm trying to tell you something. His talent. His name is Eric Shain, not Sherman.

[C]

That's how Joe pronounced it. What do you want me to do?

[A]

You already threw the flag. That's a legit flag. I decided to throw him. I've been calling the Marilyn Sherman my whole life.

[D]

A lot of people. I take that one back.

[C]

Okay?

[D]

I take that back. There's a lot of people that says that premature. I don't correct everybody.

[A]

That says, you took it back.

[D]

I took it back.

[A]

I paused, grabbed it back. You paused it, you grabbed the flag, rewound it. Eric schlemantech. The word I gotta use is genius. Ahead of his time. Musically, production wise. Pause blows my mind to this day when I listen to epmd, I pause first. Damn.

You got this camouflage. Hold up the plates up. Hold up.

[C]

Let me.

[A]

Want to shoot the place up, huh?

[C]

Let me do a sidebar real quick. This is crazy. So Just for Men is my go to, right?

[A]

Not no more.

[C]

Let me finish.

[A]

Don't do that.

[C]

Let me finish. Joey, I'm gonna throw two flags. Listen, I didn't give it a shot, right? So I gave it a shot because the Just for Men wasn't in cbs. So I see your shit, right? I said, I don't know if Joey.

[A]

Is correct, we number one. Okay?

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Eric Ghost.

So I get rewind, right? I open up the box and I'm like, oh, shit. He got two for the price of.

[A]

One and he doubled the price.

[C]

Now you got me. So now I try it and I'm like, yo, this shit is just as ill, but it lasts longer.

[A]

It's the Rolls Royce of hair coloring.

[C]

Listen, I'm here not to. To give you the plug. Cause you plug all the time, but to tell niggas it's the truth. Organic, yo. See, I'm never gonna show my gray girls like it. They be like, yo, you can show. Nah, they're liars.

[A]

They're liars.

[C]

I'm never gonna show it.

[A]

They want you off the market, Eric. They want you off the market.

[C]

Off the top. This right here is the truth. Go back to the genius.

[A]

No, but thank you.

Thank you. It's the truth. It's. The Rolls Royce has double the product. And actually our numbers are better than their numbers.

[C]

Yeah, but the fact, you know, for.

[A]

Five, you know, I was a customer. That and it's pneumonia free. So black and brown people who be breaking out, most of them won't ever break out with our product. Some other product makes people get bumps.

[C]

Going to the hospital.

[A]

Oh, that's a fact. It never happened to me. I've been painting my shit since I'm 20 something.

[C]

And you come with a fucking shit. The remover.

[A]

Yeah, you the remover.

[C]

Like, yo, you went all out.

[A]

Yo.

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See, Kiss.

[A]

Yes.

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He don't know about this part.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

You ain't there yet.

[A]

You know what I feel like right now? I feel like Eddie Murphy. You? Yes, you too.

Nah, it's.

[C]

It's.

[A]

The shit is the hottest shit smoking, man.

[C]

I think it's not hype. Not hype.

[A]

No, it's not.

[C]

Not hype for niggas.

[A]

And yeah, yeah, CBS Alleys. You know what I'm saying? Stop and shop, yo.

[C]

Nah, let's go back, Kiss. Let's change the subject again. Okay. Yes, I was involved in selling over 70 million records. That means that when you count all the albums up that I was involved in, that ends it up at that type of number. I just want to put that flex out there for niggas that want to talk about that.

[A]

But why you think that people don't give you your props or you're not really appreciated like you should be?

[C]

I think that, again, if we would have had this type of social media back then, it would probably be more, you know, more talked about, you know, probably, you know, but we didn't have it. So people just heard records. It wasn't about the producer, about the artist. Nobody know who made shit. No. Until Pete Rock Remix, we knew about that, though. But as far as the actual production, listen, when me and Paris came in, we thought that we. Everybody that we heard made their songs. I didn't know what a producer was. I just made the records. Cause we had the rhyme on it. So we, you know, we made the songs afterwards. We was like, y' all producers. We had no clue. We thought that everybody we heard made their records. That's.

[A]

Yeah, I believe that. Cause, you know, in Flo Jo, I did Flo Jo, all three verses and hooks without a punch. I didn't know what a punch was. So everybody knows Fat Joe. And then when it come. Everybody. You gotta Flo Joe. They in the booth with me. You gotta Flo Joe. Everybody knows set. I didn't know what a punch. Yeah, but you came from that studio.

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Me and Paris came from side by side in the mic, like this.

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Wow.

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Like this.

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Wow.

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So we didn't have no. We didn't have enough. Yeah, we didn't have enough tracks. So we had to do that. When it got time to do the mixing, you would go up and down. If I was low or higher, whatever. But this is what we did. And like this, there was no other nothing.

[A]

You guys made some of the greatest music ever created. I remember me hustling me in the streets. Me taking. They had these cabs called OJs, right? So in the Bronx, you could rent the OJ for $25 an hour, right? So when you. When you was hustling and you made enough money if you ain't own shit yet. I'm talking about crack era. It wasn't A heroin. It wasn't big money. You rent the OJ for four hours. So a guy like Jada would just smoke his weed chilling. Me, I'm in the back.

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That puts you in the.

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No, no, I'm just saying. That's the point.

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Got you smoking that.

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He likes smoking.

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Throw me in that.

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Eight years old, he likes smoking that shit. He would have been in the O.J. smoking and shit. They would have been driving him around. You listen to hip hop. I'm going to Spanish Harlem to see my girlfriend over there in 106 and 1st and the OJ, the Beamer and shit. But I'm pumping EBMD. It's a different. You know, when you ain't got it, but you just getting it. When you selling a couple of cracks, making $300 and you know what I'm saying, you ain't really got it, but you sitting in the back of a Beamer you stick in your face. You know how the dogs stick their face out the car to get the air. You sticking your face out that shit. Listening to EPMV kid and play.

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It's all 88.

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Bismarcky is 88. You know what I'm saying? Those are classic times for me. I like to know that.

[C]

You was too young.

[A]

You assembled. Nah, I got one. Nah, nah. He know what time.

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My uncle, Rest in peace, Tom G. He was like a ill. One of my illest uncles. And he. He had the white Celica cells that picked me up. The system was crazy. Take me downtown, 125th Street. It's the mixtape rock. And will all of that get something?

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He.

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I remember one of his favorite tapes that had It's My Thing on. He kept just playing.

[A]

And I'm like, it's my thing.

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Easy doing this. I just told him, play it all the way back to Yonkers. And I remember that. And I got all the.

[A]

Y', all your music. Selection of samples, right? Where does that come from? Your mom's, your pops?

[C]

Yeah, my dad had a bunch of records. One thing about me and Paris is. Nobody would never believe it, though. But we didn't. We didn't know about digging, you know, as far as, you know, going to get records and have record stores. We Long island, we don't have that type of situation. Whatever was in front of them speakers, because don't forget, back then, the records was against the wall unit. So whatever that was over there, we. We took to the studio. Whatever Paris had at his crib, he took to the studio. So the records that was there was Again, Parliament, of course, you know, Earth, Wind and Fire, BT Express, the whole nine. So what you hear what you say in James Brown? You hear? Do you hear? You got the whispers, you got Parallel Bell. You got, you know, just those type of records. Earth, Wind and Fire, you know, whatever you got. Those. One record we got from the label when we signed the Steven Bag records we got from that was sitting underneath their record player, you know, so there was no digging. Whatever that was at the crib is.

[A]

What we sampled, man. That was the best samplings.

[C]

And it's my thing too. Of course, Break beats was out too, back then. So prior to the dj, he had those. So we had the breaks. That's where Jane came from. That's Joe Tex. This is my thing. Seven into punk, the whole nine. But again, we made these songs and we didn't know how to make a chorus, so our records was just going like this. The label called Teddy Ted and Special K to come to Long Island. He says, give me that record that you sampled. It's my thing from so seven minutes and funk, right? Because we just got the sample going. Boom, boom, boom, boom going. It's my thing going. None of it.

[A]

No.

[C]

No antics, no nothing. They come in and they get to the part where it goes particular.

So I'm like, okay. They had the indent when the chorus is coming in. That's when I learned how to make a chorus. Before that, I had no clue. So I owe them that because now when I'm making you a customer, now I'm going, get down, get down. But time keeps on slipping. So I'm knowing how to format now.

[A]

How does EPMDC, Redman. How does Eric Sherman meet Redman?

[C]

We had a show at Club Sensations in Newark, New Jersey, which is like being in Brooklyn or being someplace where.

[A]

We know what Newark is.

[C]

Shout out to New York.

[D]

Shout out to the Bricks.

[C]

Yeah. Shout out to the bribe sensation, though. You can get robbed in that place, right? So we go backstage and I see Do it all from Lords of Underground. He rhymed for me after he finished rhyme. He said, yo, my DJ rhyme, right? It's Reggie.

[A]

No. So Reggie said, oh, he was their dj. He was his dj. Yeah, that's it.

[C]

So before those are underground, this was through it all. I said, go ahead and say something. He says, I float like a butterfly, Sting like the Rock Room. He didn't say Muhammad Ali. So I stopped him. You immediately was like, put him on stage that night. Didn't even know him. Now the crowd saying, yo, what's Red man doing up there. There's people that knew him for new it. But that's how my thing was. I already knew it was special because he didn't say Sting like Muhammad Ali. He said, float like a butterfly. Sting like the rock group. When I first met Murray, it took one of them lines, let's squash the beef cooker, and we all can get fat. So all I saw was a hamburger so and so rising. Whatever. With the be whatever in my head. Metaphors. That's why when I. When Nas came to me when he was doing Illmatic, I gave him seamless beats because I didn't understand Queensbridge. Because my rhymes was when I spell. Oh. Solo dos effects. Ricky D. Wow. Ricky Redman. I got A's. Whatever. So these are metaphor people. My only regret not to go in someplace else.

[A]

Yeah, that's great.

[C]

Me not taking Nas seriously. Cause when they left me, he went to Pete Rock's house.

[D]

Damn.

[A]

You had a chance to be on that L1.

[C]

I want to put this out here, too. For those who don't know about this.

[D]

Only on Joe and Jadis.

[C]

Exactly. Somebody bought Biggie Small to the barbershop in Brooklyn. And listen to him.

[D]

He should get a tattoo of two strikes on y'.

[C]

All.

[D]

Yeah, you know?

[C]

Yeah, I know.

[E]

Fuck.

[A]

I'm sorry, Eric Sherman.

[C]

Okay, again.

[A]

Fuck.

[C]

So this is two mistakes. Illmatic. I could have been on Biggie. I wasn't paying attention to him. I went to Staten island because Bernard father was a pastor in Staten Island. I got a picture with me and wu Tang in 1989 with all of them on my Iraq. You know what I mean? Paris had Twin Irox, right? Took a picture. Me and Raekwon went to go sit. His name was. His name was Shahlade. And we sat down on his step at his building. I was going to sign Raekwon. He talks about that, too. I could have had Wuang Clan. I didn't. My mom. I was too young for that.

[A]

I get it.

[C]

So Teflon Rick Ross. I had Tony Draper put him to my crib. Rick Ross slept in my basement four months. I didn't take him seriously. He can rhyme. This is just rappers that I had.

[A]

It's the time when you feeling like you're gonna put an artist out of work with him. Or you could be going through other shit where you just not focused on.

[C]

I'm already got money. I got my own groups. So again, I'm gonna help you. But my focus wasn't there. I'm living next door to Corey Rooney. He Knocks on my door. And next to him is Curtis Jackson. Curtis Jackson comes in, we go in the basement, we make five records, and then we make heat waves. We don't do it like we do. That was his first single before he got shot. So that too was again. They brung that to me.

But something happened. These are the rappers that came to me first. Ludacris knocked on my door for a month in Atlanta.

[A]

Atlanta when you was already Atlanta.

[C]

But again, I looked at him as Reggie. So I didn't take it seriously neither. Two at the time, my boy D Mac brung the game to Fox Hills Mall. I told game spit at 16 he didn't know what a 16 was. Go to Vibe magazine, you know, on Cap, whatever he tells the people, Yeah, I was going to sign with Eric, but he wasn't ready. Let me keep going on rappers. I mean, I don't know that many people that got my story of those MCs that came to me uno first that I could have had, but, you.

[A]

Know, could have side the crew. You did assemble. Red Man Keith Mary Kay solo.

[D]

That's effective.

[A]

Dodge Effects. You. You signed Daz Effects. Yeah, they want effects. That's an Eric Sherman beat.

[C]

I'm. I'm in the chorus. The live effects. Not the next. For some live. That's me in the chorus.

[A]

Let me tell you something. Their second single. They say because you didn't know my flow sat like Joe, like Joe. Oh, my. I used to love that shit. When that shit.

[C]

Hey, Kiss is throwing flags.

[A]

Come on now, take them shits back, man.

[D]

I didn't know that.

[A]

Yeah, but I ain't know that. I did not know the dodge effects. So when you did all the possibilities, everybody know Hitmaker. Listen, right?

[C]

Six months I had him in the crib.

[A]

Or Hitmaker.

[C]

Six months. Oh, talks about that story, too. I gotta. I gotta remember the people. It's a lot of people. I gotta flex one time because I don't talk. I know there's nobody like me. I don't give a fuck who out there when it comes to. No, no, when it comes to listen, because again, people talk about shit. Niggas don't talk. I'm talking now. Fuck all the hip hop style. My R and B in Vogue, Jodeci, Mary J. Blige, Chico debarge, d' Angelo for fucking Keith Sweat, fucking brownstone Angie Stone. This is. I've been do. I was doing R and B as much as I was doing hip hop records. But again, if you don't know black street booty Call. That was my day first single. It's no, everybody called me when I was doing Black Street. Pharrell was in the corner. I got a. It's a record on YouTube right now, where I left Pharrell rap with somebody. It's called Boot knock on Zation. I know it's an ill name, but. But. But again, that's a.

[A]

That's a. That's a poor situation in 25.

[C]

But again, I looked at Pharrell and I was gonna do that, but I took Dave Hollister from Black Street.

[A]

Dave Hollister was the man.

[C]

And I did the first two albums. And then to a farce or Hunter, they look over that, you know, like, this is. This is they. Not me, nigga. I don't give a who out there. Them niggas, I hear them talk. I got to do it on y' all show because again, y' all had big names. Khaled, Cardi, you know, this is. This is Sierra. This is big names on this show.

[A]

You got the biggest. The biggest like water and. And no, there's a sign shutting them down. No, but listen, I tell them, no, no, no. This show right here is out of control. And whenever I try to do a favor, it's like. It's a favor, right? So there's certain people who are legends, who are whatever. But I already know the people we turned down, right? So when they come, I'm like, how do I sneak them on this motherfucker? They snuck up, the two Jewish guys on me, Jada kissing these motherfuckers. Two Jewish guys came up on. They said they did that.

[D]

And my partners.

[A]

Yo, the motherfuckers stuck up on this shit. Like I said, what the fuck is going on here? They sat down. Jewish guys came with their own mic. Niggas sat down, they had their own mic. Yo, this, this, that.

[C]

This.

[A]

I said, yo, how these motherfuckers finesse that?

[D]

This is a heavily secured building.

[A]

Yeah, how they finesse it? They came in.

[D]

I gotta know somebody.

[A]

Yeah, I knew the fix was in, but, you know, I'm cool. I'm cool with every. Everybody getting they shine. Everybody getting they spot.

[C]

Now the show is big. So again, you know, I did pause, but listen, you know what? Why am I doing this? I'm not even with that. No, but. No, no, no. You know why? Cause this show. Cause you do it.

[A]

No.

[C]

Yeah, you do.

[D]

The whole problem with is his favorite choice of meal at a concert or.

[C]

Nah. Yeah. I mean, food is good, though.

[A]

I'm true to culture. You see Big daddy Came posted himself. Eating the glitz. They starting the veggie.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, it was different. Yeah, yeah, it was different. It was different.

[A]

That's not on Cipher. God. They showed that was a Hebrew national who just know on Cipher.

[C]

Who changed the word from the hot dog Pause. Who changed it?

[D]

The new generation.

[A]

Okay, well, the new generation got everything fucking up. They out here.

[C]

You can't wear Air Force ones now.

[A]

Air Force ones. His grandfather sneaking.

[D]

I don't care what they say.

[A]

You worked in the hospital.

[D]

They already try to abolish.

[A]

First time. They can't do that either. Looked at the youth and said, you right. This the first time in my life they could do the dumbest you ever seen. Paint their hair or wild. I don't. Whatever they do, I'm like, God bless the Air Force. Is the old man you.

[C]

Because they stopped being your money. Did they stop being money?

[A]

I don't give a fuck about stopping the money. It's just now is less.

[C]

I know it's. Yeah. Over top. Over top.

[A]

You know what Mark Wahlberg tells me? What Sylvester Stallone tells me.

[C]

All the brand old townsman.

Go ahead, Joe.

[A]

You want me to flex the knot? This is what this is.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Big up yourself.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

You have freedom, Joe. The podcast allows you to have a freedom. You have no. No, boss. You need freedom. Stephen A. Smith came and sat there and was like, yo, you guys, I envy you guys because I work for a big corporate company. You guys up here, you could do whatever the you want. You have freedom. That's what this show is about, is having freedom. We could talk about whatever the fuck we want to talk about. To a certain extent, it's a visible line, you know? And so my thing is. My thing is right what's going on right now. It happened in every. In every level, you know, when we was kids, unfortunately. I'm sorry, everybody. When we was coming up, we young gangsters, 14, 15, we had to beat up the guys that was legends. That was already 21, 22 years old in order to get a name out there. That's how you make your name in the street. So I see what the young kids are doing. They like, man, fuck, these guys are trying to run shit today. A hundred years old. Let's start with the Air Force. Oh, man, Shit. They trying to date us. And we out here talking about nine. We trying to still get the bag right now, like you trying to. You know, they're doing that. They're trying consciously. The youth is consciously trying to make us old niggas. Yeah, that's it. They trying.

[C]

They do it and they. They do it. They run that age a lot. A lot.

[A]

But we don't care because even with.

[C]

Music too, they be like, you know, you rhyming still or you. It's like this, man.

[D]

I wrap circles around.

[C]

I know they don't.

[A]

And if.

[C]

Yeah, I know. But they do that for some reason.

[A]

When it's so rich. When it ain't, it ain't. I'm so rich. You lost the battle. I'm chased up my.

[C]

Yo, that's one thing that Joe gonna let you know about that bread.

[A]

No, I'm just.

[C]

I'm letting people know right now. Don't. Don't come for me. Somebody tried to come for me because I don't speak about money, right? I around and went on drink. Chance made a mistake. I was trying to teach the kids about Only they publishing, right? About what you can. If it come back to you. You know what I'm saying? What can happen? So when we can sample the record. Because I was making the money from Mario Winers. I don't want to know. Anyway, I probably was making like $100,000, something like that back then. But the Weeknd, one of the biggest streaming artists in the world, streaming 1.9 billion streams. So my check was 250 grand a every three months. Right. For 4% ownership. Just for that? Right, for that. No, I don't cap on nothing.

[A]

So you got bread?

[C]

So. No, no, no. But. No, but I don't talk about it. So if I don't have it, then you don't know I don't have it. You know, I've been buying houses since I was 20. This is not. This is a flex. I've been rocking a book since I was 18. This is not something that was. Since it was new as far as how people talk about things, about. Whatever I had, I had. I was buying houses in Atlanta. I wasn't even living in apartments, the whole nine. I never even saw them look at certain things because you don't. You. It's not a rocket scientist to know. If you look at. Okay, here's the deals that Eric is making in these companies. Okay? There's Murray's at Jive, Reggie's at Def jam, Alfonso's at DreamWorks, this and that, whatever. How Alfonso's at EMI. So if you see me on that, then I got my own group, right? So now these are all these advances. I own all the publishing like I own my publishing now. So all this stuff, you look at whatever. Not the rocket Scientist. But I don't have to tell you that. But if you gonna look at it and you look at it.

[A]

But I know one thing that I determined a long time ago. These young cats, they only respect the bad, right? Now, if you a broke, nice nigger, they ain't even giving it up. They not. They not. They looking past you. The only thing they respect. When I see Lil Lotto, Young Lotto, she be like, you get to. When I see these youngs, the ones that do respect me, they be like, get to it.

[C]

The young ones are getting it, though. That's what I'm saying. They came in a time where the money's heavy for them. It wasn't like that for us. We had the husband.

[A]

I told you it was number one in the country. I was getting $500 a show, doing the chitlin circuit. Philly, the Bronx, yonkers next week, Virginia, D.C. and fucking Northcast. Like, you know, 1500.

[D]

Like.

[C]

EPA's first record deal was $1,500. I got Paris got 750, I got 750. I went to Marshalls and then I went to grocery store.

[A]

Let me explain, Cindy. They bought a Kia.

[D]

Who? Keep going.

[A]

They bought. They caught their advance and they bought a Kia. Coke took it up the Yonkers. Baltimore, man, Baltimore.

[C]

I did.

[A]

He did say the story, right? I'm telling you, Baltimore, it wasn't so feasible, right?

[D]

And so 10,000 for three people ain't so feasible either.

[A]

I know what I'm saying. I'm not against. What?

[C]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. What year Was that, though?

[D]

90 something.

[A]

Nervous.

[C]

3,000. That's a lot.

[D]

Ain't a lot of nothing.

[C]

I don't know.

[A]

Lot of. Well, my first apartment was 650amonth. 1 1, 1 1. One bedroom, one bath. You know what I'm saying? I ain't had no furniture on there, nothing like that. But, you know, I. I was out the hood.

[C]

I was in.

[A]

Where isn't it in? The Bronx.

Is like a mansion.

[D]

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[B]

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[A]

There, the last one.

Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

[C]

Bad Joe. The apartment that we had in Jersey, I had one of them too. Never spent one day in it.

[A]

Never did.

[C]

Not one day.

[A]

Man, I was jealous. Cause you already, you know, I moved to Miami 20 something years ago. My big. One of my biggest, right? You know how you say you could have signed?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

One of my biggest decisions. I don't regret Miami. But within myself, when I land in Atlanta, I feel like I'm at home. Birds chirping. I love it. I love the people, I love the atmosphere. I love the food. I love everything about Atlanta. And I always wondered, did I make the right move when I moved to Miami rather than Atlanta? If I would have went to Atlanta, I would have signed all of them.

[C]

Right?

[A]

The future to this one, Right, right, right.

[C]

Everybody.

[A]

I had a clean house in that. They would have been calling me, you know, the King or something. Because I was signing. I signed DJ Khaled, I signed Big Pun, I signed Remy Ma. Could have signed Eminem, could have signed Rick Ross. Could have signed Pitbull. The list is going Smokey Robbins, right? But in Atlanta, we gotta get Smokey to wear some rewind. If Smokey could do it. Let me tell you something.

You know any good thing, they laugh at you, right, while you doing them. And then when you get that bag, they come to tell you how much of a genius you are. They say, yo, man, you man. You always know, Joe. You always know when that. When they hear this shit, the type of numbers this shit doing, they gonna be like. And I've been keeping everything right. No, but we are number one in cvs. We're the number one product of cvs. The number one product.

[C]

I just mentioned it to you.

[A]

No, no, but the number one.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

You could buy toothbrushes, you could buy medicine, you could buy this, this, this, that shit. Smoking them. Number one. The other brand you mentioned got 70s.

[C]

You said the other brand you mentioned.

[A]

The other brand you mentioned, their boxes got 70s porn stars. You know what I'm saying? The motherfucker. A motherfucker. Outdated, flabby. Is.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Just that new shit would double the product. Yo, I'm telling you.

[C]

No, I just. I told you about it.

[A]

I'm working. I don't give a fuck. Now, you want to talk about my era? I came in the game. Jay Z, Nas, Just Justice.

[C]

No, no, no, no. Flo Jo was early, man.

[A]

Yeah, but it was the same era. Way before Jay Z.

[C]

No, way before Jay Z. Jay Z was. This is 90, 96, Jehovah.

[A]

I'm 93.

[C]

Okay?

[A]

What I'm trying to tell you is I came in there when I was already in the game making my 500. Making my $500. These guys came into the game young. I watched them build billion dollar empires. I watched Puff Daddy. Puff Daddy had the most visible see through chain you ever seen in your life. When I met. I met Puff Daddy when he was promoting parties right before Biggie Smalls, before he had anything. So he used to run up to me when I was in my Beamers and business. Yo, here's my flyer.

[C]

When he promoting clubs. You mean back there?

[A]

Yeah, yeah, here's my flyer, buddy, for my party. And this. And I watched these guys build billion dollar empires. And I finally had to sit back and go, yo, it's time to invest. It's time to bring out products. It's time to. So you could love it sounded, do real business, you know. And so that's where I'm at. I'm behind the eight ball. When you talk about the people I watch come in after me and fucking get to the back to the bag. Bag, bag.

[C]

But nobody told us. See, if you didn't do that, nobody would have told you shit nobody told us. Those people just happened to know. My man told me to make clothes after Call Kanai. I looked at him like he was crazy. I'm breaking clothes. I'm a rapper. I make music, you know. But he had the idea. But I never looked at it like that.

[A]

That was a lot to do with it too. When you felt like, you know, my brother, rest in peace. Raul was almost two years since he passed. But he had a lot. Raul told me. Cause Raul was the cameraman. Raul told me something that I thought was the dumbest shit you ever heard in your life. He said, bro, every time you perform, I see you drinking water. Why don't we sell water? This is before anybody sold water. Fuck hip hop not talking about buy the water. Water used to get for free from the pump, from the fucking water machine. This. Then it was like, yo, we should sell water. I'm like, man, ain't nobody.

[C]

Does that sound crazy?

[A]

Fucking water nigga. Like, water. Water's free. Nah, I'm telling you, if you sold water. He had a couple of ideas prematurely ahead of time that we didn't take serious. Have we took him serious? I mean, when I go to his. To the grave all the time, I always tell him, I said, yo, Raul, man, you really have some ideas. Like, he has some ideas that could have put us in the game a long time ago. But we. We ain't really listen to him. You know what I'm saying? We wasn't thinking on that level. We was trying to be rappers.

[C]

Right, because you had the idea for a long time, but you did that.

[D]

My dad, he was in coffee for my whole life.

[A]

Oh, okay. Foods Early. Back in the day, he was always.

[D]

Telling me, yo, you gotta do your own. You gotta do.

[A]

I was. I was brushing them off. We thought we know. I tell him shit, he don't listen to me. You know, my man came to get me. My man came to give me John Singleton. Came to get me to be kissed.

[C]

I was supposed to matter.

[A]

Who's his shaft? John Singleton was in the Bronx, Jimmy's Bronx Cafe, every day, begging me to be in the movie Sha.

[D]

I was VP Glory. I had to do something. So I told Denzel, go, hold the shout.

[C]

Yo, what's wrong with yo, man, I'm.

[A]

Telling you the truth. I had so many opportunities. I was too busy being in Jimmy's being a rapper. I was like, yo, acting, I don't give a. Even to this day, my sister Remy, she doing a movie right now. I feel bad for her. I'M like, damn, that's them. She's like, yeah, 18 hour days. And, like, acting is almost torture. It's like. It's fun. It's great. I think it lasts longer than music, to be honest with you. You have like, a fucking hit movie.

[C]

Like, if you have, like, aj, I'm not mad. At the movies with you on the sofa with the gun and the sofa. I'm not mad at that film. I'm not mad at you, too. In the jail, on the camera, when you was talking like, see, I fuck with you with them shits, B.

[A]

But you know what happened, Eric?

[C]

I had a minute in juice, B. I was a star. They robbed me, but I was a star in the bar and turned around.

[A]

But my thing is, I love those moments, right? Shout out, she's gotta have it. I love those moments. The problem is I'm not the boss, right? So right now we joking, and we like, y', all, let's go over there. It's like they was waking me up 6 in the morning, and my scene was at 10 at night for fucking high school, yo. They were slaving me, B. And then I get to the hotel, like, you remember how your dad used to go home, like, sleep with the clothes on and shit? That's what I was doing. And then it wake me back up. 5:30, 6:00', clock, the van's coming to get you. I do the same shit. I go over there and wait till 9 o' clock at night to shoot the scene. They had Joe Crack, the rapper, you know. I remember your man used to pick on me. Kevin Harbors come. Yo, this ain't the studio. You ain't rapping. Wake up. I'm like, oh. Like, the acting's a whole different type of what they do to you. But I love the finish.

[C]

This right here is tangible. Now, for those who don't know, I got a company called Death Rugs that I saw. I've been doing different for eight years. Oh, y' all got my rugs. Every last one of y'. All. So I don't know if you got. If you.

[A]

I got it.

[C]

Yeah. Again, right? See, I won't do the flex thing. I gotta. This is too much talk about what they do with these. Is not me. They not me. I got a deal with Levi's that come out January. You know, Nas just did. They signed two people. They did him and did epmd.

[A]

Right? I need that. We gotta buy that, Danny. I know that shit gonna be crazy.

[C]

I have a Netflix. Not Netflix. Starz documentary series. Called 88 Fresh. That's coming in February, right?

[A]

Wow. I wanna see that.

[C]

This is the silent part of whatever, because this is how the quiet. Because I'm an introvert at first, but on this show is where I decided to say, okay, you know what? Because you brung it up of underratedness. So I'm doing it. You know, they don't hear me speaking, so I'm speaking now. And since this is what you not have to do, but people are doing. I'm doing mine. That.

[A]

This. You know what? This was your home. You know what's crazy? De La Soul came in. They kept laughing. He was like, yo, this is my favorite show. I can't believe I'm sitting here. No, it is looking at my favorite show. No, it's people, they sitting there like, yo, I'm looking at my favorite show. What the fuck I'm doing here? Yo, this is crazy. This is your house.

[C]

Everybody that knew on my schedule, right, ain't gonna mention all the names, too. When this name came up, they was like, oh, word.

[A]

Yeah, this is what it is. We the realest. We the most authentic. We the most realest. We preserve in the vow. Fuck you want us to do?

We pay homage to the true legends. Yeah, we got you right now. We got Bill Bellamy. We ain't fronting on the Legends. This is water. This is liquid.

[C]

I got you.

[A]

You come in here, you lay on the couch. You do what the fuck you want. This is your house. This is the house that you built. Me and him, we just here enjoying the time we get to sit with our Legends guys.

[C]

Navigate.

[A]

Yeah. And it's different levels of Legends. So De La Soul. Come here. You come here. Yeah. I start by saying you're a genius, right? I mean, to the people who don't think I'm Cap and take my word for anything. I told them this is a fucking genius. What he's even able to do is out of this world. Like, I'm amazed. You know, I get amazed by some of the guests that come here. Like you. And I sit here, and every time I talk to you, I know you always quiet. You mind your business. But, you know, you put in that pain in this game, that shout out. My brother, Opie Megatron, man. He plays EPMD every day. He puts you on his Instagram every fucking day. And so we love you, man.

[C]

Opie.

[A]

Love you, man. Everybody, people really, really love you. And your contributions to the game ain't for you. We ain't got no red, man.

[D]

What's our man Name?

[A]

He passed away. I think he was. Used to be with y' all back in the days. He was road manager.

[D]

Big guy.

[C]

Oh, Alvin Tony.

[D]

Alvin Tony.

[A]

How you know Alvin Tony?

[D]

He started Somehow we got. Somehow. I don't know if it was through a promoter that somehow he.

[A]

I did a few shoots.

[C]

Oh, you did? But didn't you do some work with him, far as rapping somebody?

[D]

Yeah, I did.

[C]

He did a deal. I remember when that happened. He said, yo, yo, I got JD Kiss on some. On a record. I'm like, no, you didn't.

[A]

Yeah, you can't get Jadakiss on.

[D]

I used to just hear him about what.

[C]

No, you can't get him. Listen. Now, I'm glad you brought this up. This right here.

Yo, Joe, let's talk about it. Yo, yo, listen. Yo, yo, that jade is. Listen, Joe. Yo, yo, he send it. Yo, yo, yo, he said, whatever. Yo, I got you one month, two months, three months. Yo, what up? Yo, he said it.

[A]

We talking about Jada. Yes. Oh, no, no. He's the hardest. He's the hardest. And I remember when I know. But he's on my life.

[C]

He says, okay.

[A]

I had to track this guy down into the studio. I had to call D from the Rough Riders. Like, I had the.

[C]

Oh, my.

[A]

Him in the studio.

[C]

I thought it was just me.

[A]

Was the hottest record out. My lifestyle was this shit. Yo, and I was like, yo, I need. Like. It was like with Get Jada Kiss.

You know, he wanted him just as.

[C]

Left on us, B. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

He don't. Yeah, yeah, he love this Kiss.

[C]

When you see in that one in this one too.

[A]

Yo, yo, when you get home and rewind the tape.

[C]

Yo, B. Yo, yo, man, he smashed.

[A]

You, though, on the phone.

[C]

The. Okay, yo, I got you.

[A]

Who's some other guys who've okayed you and never showed up.

[C]

Like TI TI is one on the text. Yo, he sent it. No response.

[A]

You know, man.

[C]

And listen, I was one of those guys. I make a lot of you.

[A]

You was one too.

[C]

Kanye west told me. Snoop told me one time isn't this and that. That didn't know. So I didn't even get mad because I was that person that one time, you know, didn't do it on purpose. Maybe something's going on the time, but. So I can't get mad at him. I couldn't get mad at such a. I thought Nori did it one time. But when it went straight to my email, I would have never known because it didn't tell my. On the phone that I got an email. So I'm like, nori, yo, damn, I. I hit you a month ago. Whatever, Eric. I've been sent that. So again, on the email. Yeah, it was on the email.

[A]

You know, artists say Remy. Remy would be dmx. And he would tell her he's gonna do a song with her and she'll come back. This is a young Remy. She'll come back. And I'd be like. I said, yo, he ain't doing us. I be like, you know, it's certain artists you would meet at. That's what happened with me when I met R. Kelly. R. Kelly?

[C]

You made the hit record.

[A]

Yeah, but R. Kelly came to me. I seen him All Star Weekend. He said, yo, Joe, I want to work with you. I said, brother, do not lie to me. Right? I said, kels, don't lie to me. I'm not the guy. I was still very ghetto. So I was like, yo, don't lie to me. Three fat joes ago and 24 chinchillas ago. I was chilling out like this. The chain chilling, refrigerator.

[C]

Hold up. What year was that, Joe?

[A]

I don't know, because I was battling.

[C]

With you on the radio, with records, with that hit record. I think it was 2001. 2002. Either I was battling with you with music or either react. But for some reason, we was on the chart. Me, you, Sean Paul and Missy ballin, big boys. 2002, I think that week. 2001. Okay.

[A]

201, Philly All Star. He told me, gonna do a song with me. I'm like, yo, bro, don't lie to me. Like, I was just way too ghetto at that time. And I went down to Orlando. We cut it. You know what I'm saying? Song changed my life. But, you know, we talking about guys who you meet and you swear you're gonna do a song with. Then they disappear. And I used to have, like, Remy would come up to. A couple of guys would come up to me and be like, yo, I met such and such. He said, he's doing the song with me, B. I'm like, bro, wish upon a green clover.

[C]

He said, remy Ma. DMX said he was gonna do a.

[A]

Record with her premature. She was mad young. I was like, I think she could.

[D]

Have got that done.

[C]

But Joe said, hell, no, that's not gonna happen.

[A]

He did it to Tone Sunshine. Love Tone Sunshine. Be like, Tony, oh, my God, you incredible. Tony went to la, hung out with that dude for, like a fucking week. When he went to do the verse, he fell asleep in the booth some Shit. Tony was like, yo, send me home, God. Like, I can't do it no more after 60 games of pool and this and that and riding his cars and all that. Tone was like, yo, send me home. It is what it is. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes.

[C]

Nah, nah, listen, man. I was one of them, B.

[D]

Easy.

[C]

So. So I know.

[D]

Oh, you.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. But, but, but. No, no, but.

[A]

Kiss.

[C]

But you missed it. I was one of them. That's why I don't even look at it. I was one of them. I promise you. N will say I was like, yo, and. And it be production most of the time. Sometimes I'd be like, I just didn't do it.

[A]

But Nard Alexander, he saved my life. I was. I was already he.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, I was in the Bronx, caked up, and I refused to move. Even though I was in the nicer part. It was still thrice Nick 1 and 1. And my wife was like, yo, we gotta get outta here. All these strange cars keep coming around here and this and this and that. And so I hit up Bernard. Bernard was like, come to Jersey, bro. We be over here.

[C]

It was brand new.

[A]

Changed my life.

[C]

Brand new. It was.

[A]

Got a townhouse.

[C]

Townhouse of water. Yeah.

[A]

You know what I'm saying?

[C]

And inside that building, though, kisser was me, Joe Dave Harster, too short. Ended up moving over there. So we was all in there.

[A]

You know what's crazy is I knew they was hiding 50 Cent. After 50 Cent got shot, I'm waiting for.

[C]

Oh, they jumped into the poker.

[A]

50'S coming, right? But he don't know I knew where he was at. You know what I'm saying? But, you know.

[C]

But Bernard was managing her. Yeah. Huh? Bernard was managing her.

[A]

Yeah. It was none of my business.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

At the time, I didn't really know either side or whatever. And they was like, yo, kid 50 Cent, he just got hit up. I'm taking the ball. I was like, all right. You know what I'm saying? Like, what you want me to do? They at. You know, we had a good time over there. Let's talk about the new process.

[C]

Okay, good.

[A]

Okay, okay.

[C]

We had enough. Cause we flexed. Jada went to the bathroom. Cause he wanted to hear by himself. And then we had the product promoted. And you flex about.

[A]

This is a new project.

[C]

You got the Eddie Murphy shit where you can close the roof.

[A]

No Eddie Murphy. Let me tell you something. That documentary, that's how I want to see my OGs. Now. After you, we have Bill Bellamy that's really what I wanted. I don't want to talk to you about Eddie Murphy and all that, but I watched. You saw the Eddie Murphy documentary? Yes. That shit was fired.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's how I want to see my OGs. Big.

[C]

Yeah. We never saw him flex before like.

[A]

That, dying broke and all this and this and that.

[C]

I'm just happy, Joe. You know, nobody. I keep telling you, we're not taught. If we was taught literacy about money and how to do certain things. Paris was the one that showed me about homes because he bought them first, early. I'm like, you know, what are you doing, you know, with the. With the houses and stuff? I didn't have no house at first. He did. I had an apartment, and I didn't know. And then Bert Padell was everybody's accountant. So Bert Padell was doing what he can do, but he was a crook. No, Bert would just get you what you needed. But he was switching the. He was switching your social numbers back then. So to get credit.

[A]

And don't forget, you go take a piss break yourself. No, I want to hear about. I want to hear about that.

[D]

I want to hear about Burt. I want to hear what Burt was. Let me hear.

[A]

Let me hear what Burt was doing.

[C]

No, Burt. The bank was in the downstairs. So say if you're young and you're new. See, I didn't. My social number wasn't the social number that he had till I got to go get a Social Security card with my mom's one time. And it was a different number. That's when I noticed, okay, before you heard about the scams of getting dead people, getting whatever like that, that's what was happening. So if I wanted the new bins or a home or something like that, I didn't have credit. But here. You got credit now, because here's the new social. It wasn't said like that until you look at it. You know what I'm saying? But that was, you know, again, something that we didn't. We didn't know till later.

[D]

Pieces was hitting and Early Bird was already.

[C]

Yeah, but we didn't know. We didn't know. He had every client. Every. Everybody was with Burke. Everyone actors to whatever was. What was him. But when I went to get a new Social Security card, and it was a whole different number. And then I found out, okay, this is how you can get things with these socials. When I got. When I learned stuff. But again, being taught about money. We know about money. Everybody had the same program. Lawyer, accountant, business management. The whole nine. I know the lawyer was working with the label till later on. No matter how funny they speak to you, everybody is in cahoots with each other. So this is how it works. But you didn't learn that. You think everybody's just cool. But the business, it is a business, you know, and you find out later on. So that's how people get stuck and we get IRS and we, you know, people go to prison and go to jail for such and such for not doing that. Uncle Sam is real. You don't pay and people don't file. If you file, you. You don't. It's like you're not ducking. But if you file, then you in the good. But when you don't, when you don't say nothing, that's when they come and get you.

[A]

When it came and got needed.

[D]

Perfect time.

[A]

Counting me man.

[B]

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[B]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line, but.

[A]

First.

There, the last one.

Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

I had an attorney that I really trusted and I really, really loved. Went to his kids bar Mitzvah's, family cookouts, this, this, that. My accountant that I had, his son became a quadriplegic. So he had to tend to his son because he was in an accident. So my attorney that I trusted and loved forever introduced me to an accountant. This accountant is the guy who stole my money and I eventually went to jail for. So I never fucked with this guy again. My lawyer. I told him, yo, bro, I can't fuck with you no more. You set me up with this guy. Now, I seen him yesterday. I'm in Miami. I got a private show for Harborview. All of it.

[C]

I seen that.

[A]

Know I'm there, boy. Harborview, baby. Let's go, Sharice. So it's like I'm up in there. You know Laura Piano? No, he said big money was in the building, so I had to throw the law.

[C]

I don't even know who that is. Oh, what is that?

[A]

Don't buy a fucking. Don't buy a handkerchief in that bitch. That shit real deal. You know what I'm talking about, Danny? That shit another level. But anyway, I come out the elevator and I see him. I come out the elevator. And I see him. Last time I saw him was at Chris Lighty Rest in peace, right? Funeral. He tried to talk to me. I just came out of jail. I was like, yo, my man, don't talk to me. Don't come around me. Don't talk to me. Because he also disappeared when I had the case, right? So, boom. I seen him the other day, St. Regis in Miami, and he was like, hey, Joe. And I said, what's up? I kept him moving after that, and I don't think I'm over him introducing me to the accountant who kind of destroyed my life. And I lost all my money, went to jail. This. This. I just, you know, I try to be. I was courteous, Joe Suck. But I still felt the way. You know what I'm saying? I went upstairs to my room. I was like, did he set me up? Did he not set me? You see, there you go. Seek the kingdom.

[D]

Sometimes you got to smack the out.

[A]

Of somebody, then seek the king.

[C]

Yeah, because you went to. Went to jail for that.

[A]

Jail. I also felt like I was somebody that in my own, you know, they could say I'm delusional, but I felt like I was somebody who never really got caught. And they wanted me. Whether it was little, big or something. These boys wanted me. And I felt like somebody got jammed up. And they said, yo, who you got? Fat Joe? Him.

[B]

Get him.

[A]

How could you give me him in the platter? And the worst thing is you got somebody you trust. That's how they get you with somebody you really, really trust.

[C]

I just told kids, this whole shit is a business when you. Everybody works together the same way Spotify works with the labels. Gotta put that out there real quick. Yeah, somebody's making some money. Listen, if the president of Spotify in 2024, he made $300 million. He don't own the company. He's just the president. He made 300 million. What do you think Spotify is getting? So they're giving us 0.4 cent. Now Congress has passed the law. They're giving us one penny, right? So 1 million. 1 million streams get you 14 grand, right? Before 100,000 streams, that get you $200. So all this whole system is fucked up for us, for the labels and the people who own Spotify. The president, not the owner, Joe, he made $300 million in 2024.

[A]

That's great.

[C]

And then he had a bigger.

[A]

And he's got his own. Yo, listen, 2025 been crooked since the beginning of time.

[C]

Oh, you made Poor hundred million 460 million in 20, 25.

[A]

Poor people, they got talent. They use them up. And by the time they learn the game, they'll dust you off and make you the old school at noon to get the new young person to jerk. And they just keep doing that and doing that and doing that. And people like Spotify and all these people are all.

[C]

Selling product. Whoever made up the point that 1500 spins is one CD. So whoever made up the point that we only get less than one cent.

[D]

Fucking head boy.

[C]

Yeah, one less than made that up. Less than one cent though, too, is crazy. And then we getting a penny. At least with the label signed to, we got a quarter at least.

[A]

I said all the time, if you sell. Let me ask this. 100. Let me go right now.

[C]

I know, I don't know.

[A]

Let me explain. Sitting here, you put your pain, your soul, everything into this. Let's say it's a CD. If you sold it yourself on the corner for 9.99 and somebody told you you was going to get 8 cents.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Don't work for.

[C]

You're right.

[A]

Right. This is the only business that glorifies you getting.

[C]

I know you get right.

[A]

And the minute you learn. You seen Prince with all that slave.

[C]

Oh, no. He saw your first. The first one him. Alonzo McMillan was the first ones that started doing it.

[A]

The second he start going like this.

[C]

Yep, you out. Yeah, you out of here.

[A]

I'm also looking forward to this Michael Jackson movie because I think they're finally going to start speaking truth to Light to where why he got attacked like that. You see, you got to understand, we didn't know the sophisticated ways of brainwashing the people and smearing people. They smeared Michael Jackson the greatest of all time. They had us thinking he was crazy.

[C]

Right?

[A]

Right now, everybody rocking Botox, people bleaching their skin like it's some normal shit. People sleeping. And what's my man, Forest Whitaker sleep.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right, right.

[A]

The richer you get, right? You doing what Michael Jackson's doing, right? Buying art, you thinking, right. This guy's crazy weird. He actually was ahead of his time.

[C]

But even though we never thought Michael was getting jerked, though. Pause. We didn't know that that was happening.

[A]

Yeah, but what I'm trying to tell you is.

[C]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

But we love Michael. Different kind of jerk. Pause.

[C]

Yeah, but I'm saying. But he. For him to come out and say Ty Mottola's get, you know, whatever, like we never thought that was happening.

[A]

Tommy Mottola's my friend.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. But what I'm saying, Sony, he's saying, that's nuts.

[A]

Sony. My thing is.

[C]

Hold up, let's go back.

[A]

Michael J. No, it's so pro artist, man. For the artist. No, I'm for the artist too, my friend.

[C]

And I also say, hold up, before you start one time I thought you was getting ready to say, it's better. That's what I'm talking about. Now if only my 8,000 fans give me $1, I made 8 grand. That's more than me Spotify, the whole nine. Now, if you give me about. If 8,000 people give me $100, it's $800,000, right? At the end of the day, if you have a name, why would you want to go and do all that work on that album and go put it on that platform? I don't understand. Not the people that's new. The people who have names. Don't forget, Joe, you can make a record right now. I don't give a fuck how big it is. It doesn't matter. You already, Joe, you already famous. You're already iconic. You're not going to get no bigger. The record's not going to get no bigger. You're not going to make no bigger record. It ain't going to happen. You already you. But if you decide to make music, why not sell it yourself? You already you.

[A]

Where would you sell it at?

[C]

Like www.you do it on your, your own platform. When I do the, the product, when I'm doing whatever, whatever. You got fans. If 8,000 people give me $20, 8 times 2 is 16. It's 160 grand. It doesn't matter. Everything you can do direct to consumer is back now. Every WWW is never left. That means when every time somebody goes on tv, every star, everybody with product, you got to go to a website, it's the same shit. Go back to that. Put that Shopify and not band camp on your shit and go, yo, go get my shit here. And. And again, let the platform that take it. That's promotion. But at least you got people. Listen, Ice Cream, Ice Cube said that once he reached a million, he wanted to reach 2 million, right? Sell records. But he left a million people back here. That was his fans. Your core fans ain't going nowhere. If you tell them to do something, they gonna so all of us here that you went platinum. You don't need a million fans. I said 8,000 people. Give me $200, right? It's $1.6 million. They're gonna pay for what you want to give them. That means merchandise, the whole nine. I gotta preach that. Because again, that's what you do if you're selling material. If you be selling that though, too, even though you. Again, with a company. But imagine if you didn't. You're fat Joe, you kiss. It doesn't matter. You do the marketing promotion on yourself and bring them to your platform.

[A]

I like to learn new shit every day. And that's what this show is.

[C]

I just give you the numbers. Like Jay said. Numbers don't lie. It don't matter. They give you 50 bucks. 8,000 people. I'm not talking about Joe. You have millions of fans. I said 8,000 and give you 50 bucks. 8 times 5 is 4. That's $400,000 from only 8,000 people giving you 50 bucks. Talking about money. Come on, man. You talking about. That's why people sit here and be like, you want to go broke? You don't want to do something? Here's how you don't go broke. Here's how you have, you know, you have making money while you sleep. Them EPMD buckets has. While I'm sleeping. The EPMD shirt is why I'm sleeping. That money comes in while you sleep.

[A]

We got a new project.

[C]

Yes, brother.

[A]

Tell the people, man, because you've been philosophical today. So we really want you to talk.

[C]

That.

[A]

That music.

[C]

The music.

[A]

Well, I got one question.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I got one question. So you sample Marvin Gaye.

[C]

Yes.

[D]

Right.

[A]

How much did it cost you to sample Marvin Gay?

[C]

200,000.

[A]

It costed you 200, right?

[C]

Because it caught me that. Because when Bernard took the CD and went to la, he went to a convention that was happening with Clear Channel. They played the record, they added the record. So now they get to stick me up. Did it too fast. Did it too fast. So it was one. It was 150 for Jan, God bless her dad, the wife. And then was $50,000 for the lawyer. But it didn't matter because Clive gave me 4 million. So that whole thing of how it went, I went to Jay Records afterwards because Clive wanted to sign me.

[A]

The reason why I bring that up, right? Cause Pharrell getting sued. He didn't clear this.

[C]

He didn't clear it. That's it.

[A]

And what, they got sued for like 7 million or something?

[C]

7 or 8? Yep.

[A]

For real. A smart little, little. No, no, no.

[C]

Well, he's kind of interpolated. He interpolated the song. He did.

[A]

Listen.

[C]

He said he didn't know that was the Part. Yeah. He said, yeah, yeah.

[D]

Yo, it's always the thing to say, man, you get caught.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't know.

[A]

It's the smartest thing to say, but it's the dumbest thing when you know the planet Earth knew he jacked Marvin Gaye. The whole.

World when you eat.

[C]

When we first heard it.

[A]

Same song.

[C]

Same song. Yeah.

[D]

They don't send us no Louie. Yeah, they gonna send this.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no.

[C]

Hold up. Rewind back. 1 hour, 57 minutes, 36 seconds. Take that part out.

[A]

We ain't doing that. This is interesting. What I'm saying is, if I was around Pharrell, I would have said, yo, settle with these people, because this, it is what it is. He was inspired by them, whether he do it.

[C]

Yeah, but listen, you missing one Ed Sheeran shit sounds like let's get it on, nigga. And he won. Play Ed Sheeran's Marvin Gay's. Whatever. It sound just like let's Get On. And he won.

[A]

Let me tell you some crazy shit. I didn't think he did. I went to the videotape.

[C]

No, play the record.

[A]

I did. I swear to God I did. I went when he won just the same way you telling me.

[C]

Yes, man.

[A]

I'm listening to Ed Sherman than that. And I couldn't really make the same.

[C]

Yo, yo, yo, yo, this.

[A]

What?

[C]

Yo, I swear.

[A]

Hold on, hold on.

[C]

Yo, when I watch this show is his reactions because. Is that what makes it mix, y'? All, Chemistry? I swear. Because he leans back and he does this and like, yo, let me tell you something.

[A]

You know what this is? This is the Honeymooners with Ralph Grampton, Art Carney.

[C]

Let's talk about the project now.

[A]

Let's go.

[C]

Let's go.

Okay. The Dynamic Duos. So I had it four years ago before COVID I had the idea before you heard Nas. I figured that my colleagues wasn't working. I was wondering why nobody was making records, right? So I kind of got upset about that in my head. Like, you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to make records for them if they have studio problems. Nobody making no beat for them the whole time. So Covid came. So that took two years off. Kevin came and got me. Kevin Lyles. So we did the partnership at 300. 300. Leo Cohen sells it for $450 million to Atlantic. That took a year and something.

[A]

That's a nice check.

[C]

Yeah, but isn't that crazy? Leo got 450 from Atlantic, which is Mike and Julie people that he put on. Put there now.

[A]

That Was a whole play. Keep going if you figure that one out.

[C]

So. So that was the older watch.

[A]

Yeah, that was sell to Styles P's running phenomenal. Now. Let me sell the Jadakiss records to Styles Pete. He got the bag over here. He gonna throw you the smithereens like, yo, they all ran.

[C]

And now let me tell you something.

[A]

When he sold that shit. Kevin Lyle's my next door neighbor, right? It was the first sighting I saw Russell SIMMONS in like 10 years that it was next door. He called me and said, hello, Come next door. Everybody ran off with the bag. Their whole crew. They are the best that ever did it.

[C]

Kevin's loaded. That whole. It's all Kevin, Leo, the whole definition.

[A]

Julie Kaiser.

[C]

They took care of everybody.

[A]

All of them, like in the. I mean, bad mania. All of them is caked up to the movie.

[C]

Randy Acker. We got Randy Acker.

[A]

But what I'm saying is they came in this game and said, all right, this is our crew and we gonna eat forever.

[C]

Yeah, make sure they're eat.

[A]

Simmons showed up. They were storing like the. We sold the company for 400 million. Because they first said it was Kevin Lausanne. They were saying Leo Cohen. I'm sure it was.

[C]

You know, it's not Kevin. That's Leo's Cohen.

[A]

You know, they were saying Kevin Lyles. Kevin Lyles threw a party. He lives next door to me.

[C]

Yeah, of course.

He got money.

[A]

Trust me, he got Kevin Lyles. Lives 1A, I'm 1A, he's 1B. His house is right next door to mine.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Russell Simmons facetimes me out of nowhere. I ain't seen him in 10 years. And he said, come over. We're celebrating Kevin selling the company. I'm letting my fat flow. I got no shirt on, no nothing. I just put a T shirt on. I go over there, put on my shorts, I go over there and they celebrating. And I just. The way I think, you know, I mean, the hustler in me, I said, damn. This man came over here to pick up bag they sold. Russell Simmons came and picked up the bag. They just sold it. Check is in, wires in. Russell came from fucking Malaysia or some shit to get the bag. And he's going back. Everybody's caked up, right? Is what I'm trying to tell you. Every member of the crew caught something.

[C]

You know, I just signed that deal with Leor. Well, I had a deal with partners in AI now, but that's another flex.

[A]

But partners in AI.

[C]

I went to his crib, right? I looked at the Picture on the wall. It was a baby picture. Me and my man with the baby. I said, how much that picture cost? In my head. I'm just saying that it might cost whatever. He said, Yeah, I paid 12 grand for it, but it's worth 5 million. It was a picture of a baby.

This up, you know, whatever.

[A]

I want to put this out there. Yo, I'm a graffiti legend. I want to meet Banksy.

[C]

Who's that?

[A]

Banksy's the illest artist the world. Never shows his face. Yo, what's.

[C]

Yo, I don't know what's wrong. I don't know. Yeah, okay, listen. He don't believe nothing. Okay, listen.

[D]

I don't know why.

[A]

Wait.

[C]

Okay, listen. Let's go back. So dynamic duo.

[A]

Yo, listen, listen, listen, listen.

[C]

Let me just get Banksy.

[A]

Somebody know Banksy? Fat Joe wants to meet the real Banksy face to face. I don't rat. I don't nothing. He's an artist. Nobody sees his face. But I'm a huge fan. We don't know where he's at, because then we would have found him in the uk and it could be. And it could be in Afghanistan, wherever. Money. Yeah, Banksy just don't.

[C]

Okay, well, Banksy fat don't need you. Okay, one second. Okay. So after that, the shit was three and a half years so far. So now I do the biggest, smallest Tupac record, right? So I get Biggie cleared, but the Tupac estate. I offered his sister $100,000. I give you 100 grand and you can keep the rights to the record. She didn't say. Yeah, I'll say no. But she wasn't coming back fast enough with the reaction. So I'm like, so, what's going on? I found out that she was going through it with Universal for them using Tupac music and making money off of.

[A]

It in the move.

[C]

No, this period. Yeah, yeah, that, too. So that delayed me, so. But I waited as long as I wanted to because I wanted to have that on the project, right? So, anyway, I want to say, I.

[A]

Don'T know how I cleared Tupac. And his lawyer owns.

[C]

Yeah. At that time, but now she's suing.

[A]

She. She need to get it. Like, I did not understand when I was paying the lawyer.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

The hundred.

[C]

I went through every. Bernard called everyone that did the Tupac before with. With. With the RL shit. When you saw the video, whenever we went to those people, we went to everybody. Nothing. So that. That gave more time.

[A]

I thought, it's Mom's fat. She must have left it to the lawyer. I didn't have no clue. I didn't understand that. How a lawyer, Rob Waltham thing's own stupid, right?

[C]

So then I had prodigy, new vocals, the whole nine. So whatever. I called my lawyer. He called, which is his friend Kevin. Then I talked to Priory's wife on the phone. She sounded like she was saying, don't worry about it. I'm gonna check the record out whenever I get back to you, right?

[A]

No call.

[C]

I'm texting. There's nothing there. So I'm like, so that's a holdup. So I get that late. That took time. I called Sean Price's wife. Then I talked to Drew. Ha.

[A]

Right.

[C]

She says, call Drew. You know, I got you number. So. But no, you know, good guy. Drew just calls you. She says, cool. I still took time. Nate Dog estate. I got to call these people and say, too, do you want the money? Just tell me a thing. It just took time. Eventually, they didn't want nothing. So you see all these people on the album that passed away, it take time for the estates. Because don't forget, if they can't find Kiss, then we gotta wait to find Kiss. The estate means everybody on the estate has to say yes if they on the paper. So you can just have one person or you can't.

[A]

One time it went to the point of, like.

The man's dead, ain't got no more family members. And nothing like that. We went to the burial type shit. They went to the. You know, the sample. The people who cleared the sample, they was like, yo, he ain't cashed a check in 13 years. There's no. Like we was looking like, you gotta clear these samples. Cause then it's on you if you let them go, right? And they come back and sue you for that real money, right?

[C]

So anyway, that's all that happened. And now is coming December 5th. So, again, wow. This is volume one, right?

So volume one two.

[A]

It ain't just everybody who's dead. Because I heard the record.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The Bird. The record was sold, but that was a while. That's when they sold 300. I ain't get a chance to get that. That was the first record that came, and it's gone now. But Reddermeth. Snoop Dogg and Nate. Helter Skelter, Mop. Cypress Hills, epmd, Dog Pound, Conaway, the Machine Game, Lil Wayne, Mobb D. This is volume one.

And Public Enemy, right? Volume one.

[D]

Make sure I get on volume two, though.

[C]

Yeah, I got you.

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[B]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line.

[A]

But first.

There, the last one.

Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.

So.

[C]

So this is what I end up doing through DMs and everybody who I. Who I kind of called or dm, everybody said yes. Some. Some didn't say. But again, I was able to get stuff started at the time. And then certain people, like I called Dougie freshman Rick first. That's what I really wanted to do because I was trying to do do. I'm gonna do the show in my head all over again my way and my version. So but and I. I talked to Andre 2000 way early. Offer them a hundred thousand dollars too. But, but I did ugk. I did eight Ball. Mjg. I did Naughty. These are names. I did Smith and Wesson. I. I got this already on that too for the back. And then you got the people too that you want to do. Quarter locks, Ray and Ghost. Black star suit. That's already, you know that you trying to get to make sure I'm covering the bases up. But before Nas did this, Joe, I was trying to bring my colleagues just to say you don't gotta stop making records. But then time went by and now Mass Appeal did what they did. So now everybody's working now. But you know, so, so, but he.

[A]

Ain'T always good though. You know what I'm saying? So it's like everybody working. Everybody ain't always be clear on that.

[D]

The plug in man.

[A]

We got something to play. He bought us something.

[C]

Mop.

[A]

Oh my God. Frankie Crocker that shit. James. They got the AC on Alaska.

[C]

Nah, it's just mop.

[A]

You know the AC is on like jail level.

[C]

Sidewalk executives. No, you go in jail, that's chicken store. Sidewalk executives. Who calls them. Who call themselves that?

[A]

Sidewalk executive.

[C]

This is street certified fire off weapons in you with the sidewalk.

[A]

Except I done played my part, done.

[C]

Gave my heart through my career, done made my mark. Come on. Imagine where I'm from, nobody walk faster than a going to get his imaginary after getting his ass beat up. I'm moped up from feet up.

[A]

I'm cheat up. I'm loud from the mall.

[C]

How about the back seat holding my nuts? It's five something double park I kick it with the youngest every facet on the.

Bring that daddy back.

[A]

Oh my God I don't think they listen for the.

[C]

Come on, come on.

[A]

Much finer life.

[C]

This is street certified fire off weapons in you with the sidewalk executive I done played my part done gave my heart through my career done made my mark I'm imagine where I'm from nobody walk faster than a going to get his imaginary gun after getting his ass beat up I'm m o peed up from feet up I'm cheat up I'm.

[A]

Loud from the mall how about the.

[C]

Back seat holding my nuts s5 something double park I kick it with the youngest heavy bastard on a block of shooter so you see your lawyer laughing with the prostitute.

Bring that daddy back knickknack patty whack get you in your d ass up when we pull up then we ride grandfill and you don't want to collide this is street certified fire off weapons you with the sidewalk except guns up when we pull up then we ride grandfill and you don't want to collide this is street certified fire off weapons in you with the sidewalk except when I text so everybody.

[A]

Know me images of the five five sixes my my emoji the bigger homie he does told me he can show me a different route to the bag and I ain't gotta have a magnum.

[C]

On me New york hip hop royalty.

[A]

Swag on me resume on display you can't put a flag on me flow known as the people champ I match capital with a deeper tan I give you g like a ship to people hand I still have staff meetings with killers in the band have rap shows we the gorillas in the stand.

In front of your fans you a flooy move loosely bougie I'm in the eye rock triple black bucket hat you old going move me sidewalk executive star the.

[C]

Move up when we pull up then we ride you don't want to collide this is street certified fire off weapons you with the sidewalk et runs up when we pull up then we ride feel and you don't want to collide this is street certified fire off weapons in you with the sidewalk executive.

[D]

That was beautiful, Billy.

[A]

And fame. That was incredible, brother.

[D]

I take Billy in fame every time, man.

[C]

I know you have the same, man. I had a great time at this show. Y' all people that's watching this to be on this sofa and to be with two again, it doesn't matter, man. Like successfulness. Joe, you we was to sit back and be like, yo, damn, he got another one. Or he got another one. Because in this to come back and do every decade, don't forget this is decade from the 90s, 2000s, and then the late. So it's three decades of still being able to be relevant and still be able to say you was dropping music and not just regular shit. This was big records being made. It was hard to do that. People said, too. How did Eric be able to come back and come back with music from EPMD 1988 to 2001? No, that's a.

[A]

That's.

[C]

People don't do that. That's a feat to be doing that. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, though, you know, again, this shit right here is what people talked about, what felt on the sofa. Like, this is a show that you guys listen, man, y' all my boys. But it's different shows. Y' all came up fast. You know what I'm saying?

[A]

Like, yeah, we not playing.

[C]

No, it was fast. People probably thought regular. Y' all n be hating, like, oh, that shit ain't gonna work.

I know, nigga, I'm one of. I'm telling you, I was out there.

[A]

I watched bummiest guys to the richest guys. Yeah, I know what all the motherfuckers seen. I was watching them.

[C]

Nobody was believing. They like us. It ain't gonna work. Ain't gonna work.

[A]

I knew it would. You wanna know why? Because we respect the culture. We respect.

[C]

Yeah, but it was the personalities about those who don't hang together and they don't talk.

[A]

The way I look at this, I look at this no different than Shaquille o'. Neal. I'm Charles Barkley. You Kenny Smith. Oh, okay. We really played the game. We respect, respect and salute the legends on another level. You understand what I'm saying? Like, I used to watch these hip hop documentaries, and they have guys on there commentating like they knew. And I'm like, I don't know you, and I gotta know. Everybody hold up.

[C]

You got the locks.

Jay's like, what are you talking about? Because if I couldn't get them that way.

[A]

You was gonna get them.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

Vocals they let down somewhere. Damn. Kiss. You see that man? Motherfucker making up the pasta noose. Dirty dog, they doing.

[C]

Hey, yo, yo. But listen, it was just my version of it, Joe. Until I get it to happen, I had to make certain things.

[A]

I ain't gonna lie to you. I don't wanna die. But they definitely have A hundred Fat Joe verses in different studios out there that I just did one day and kept it moving, knowing that they would benefit off of it. I done went in Regular bullshit studios. Kick 16 broke out. That's almost like, here you go. This is a retirement. So when, you know, Fat Joe's out of here and they put together the pasty shit, you know, y' all got some shit. Y' all can make a couple of dollars off that shit, you know what I'm saying? You know how motherfucker put the shit together.

[C]

I'm bring out.

[A]

I'm DJ Zaddy Black. Pull out your first from Fat Joe. One talla pela. Pull out your verse. You got a couple of dollars, cover your way. They all looking like, huh. He knows we kept that shit. Yeah, I know you.

[C]

Hey, kids. You probably won't even remember. And nobody's gonna know. Cause it's a record. That again, it didn't go, you know. So I could have asked him and said, yo. And it still would have been like, oh, shit. You heard that new. You know what I'm saying? I could have did that. But again. But now, sisters, you know, whatever is. It is what it is. I'm just gonna play it for shit and giggles. B I G. Yes, that was dope.

[A]

B I G. So.

[C]

So you didn't hear that yet?

[A]

No. Yeah, but I'm not talking about that. I'm just talking about the only thing in the history of me of life I didn't appreciate was like, Biggie, after he died, they was making.

[C]

Oh, yeah, I know, I know.

[A]

All type of. I was just like.

[C]

Same vocals, though. I know.

[A]

No, same with words.

[C]

Yeah, different.

[A]

And freestyled it in radio and change like that. And they did. Yeah, that's.

[C]

You're not going to believe when you hear my. You're going to think them two was in it together.

[A]

Rap to the beat Legend.

[C]

Yeah, this is called. It's called where you at Preaching the locks.

Because exist.

[D]

Which rapper wanna smile on their neck? You a, you ain't say Styles is the best I'm disgusting. What up then start the discussion it ends as a homie that's the body in Hudson Lucky to be found by the river patrol He a piece of flush him digging a hole which rapper said he the best? Tell him Ghost said he's a. And told him to say less and give him my address yeah, the top 10 is soft as the Chaz Fest Put my blood blades to their skin and stretch it like Spandex but now I'm on some entrepreneur Spot seats in the car Getting a guard full of that raw at least a zip Violet hit him with at least a clip Knocked out his eyeballs he ain't even peep the ghost Numb like you on cocaine and eat the mix Simply don't give a cool winner.

When you hear them three letters you know that they represented I could go anywhere as long as I got the coast I do it for the east as long as I got the coast Go out on my shield as long as I got my oath and hip hop can never be dead Long as I got a post grown man that's.

[C]

The kitty section I was a fly.

[D]

On the wall Biggie session soaked it all up and spit it out with aggression Felt the way about it every sense with affection yeah, you better believe that the bottles is on deck Haze glue, cookies, gelato is on deck Never sober is never over roll out 21 deep in 11 Rovers Head and shoulders that's where they point them things at playing the game. See how many heads we could bring back. Yeah, at least it be authentic. When you hear them three letters you know that they represented Lox, where you at?

[C]

We right here.

[A]

Lo, where you your act?

[C]

Right here.

[D]

When you hear them three letters, you know that they represented.

That's crazy.

[A]

Do you remember that verse?

You don't even remember it, right. You know, sometimes I go overseas and they have an after party and they start playing Fat Joe records. I swear to God, I sit there like I don't remember them shits they be playing. Shit, I be like, when I do that.

[C]

But everybody that I that heard you just now and you watch the room niggas was like, what is that?

[A]

That was incredible.

[C]

Again, the rhymes was fan. But again, I could have. But I didn't want to do that because again, I know how artists be, too. Yo, I did that before. I said, I know that. But it's a new record to everybody.

[A]

I want Eric Sherman to produce my album. Take my whole.

[C]

Are you gonna play? You gonna play golf?

[A]

Juan Cheeto. Give him the motherfucker.

[C]

Just the last one. We gonna go.

[A]

We gotta go. We gotta go. Edward Sherman.

[C]

But this is. This is a lower vibration of what I would do. This is Conway the Machine, Lil Wayne and Game.

It's gonna be kind of long because it's slow, too. But it's the vibe, that's all.

It's over. Everything starts from now. We all go down unless we stay together Ain't no one man above the crew, you know that I ain't shit.

[A]

I ain't never Gonna be shit, you remember that God mode New God flow I'm God's son 12 ghouls to my apostles when I Eric sermon is gospel my blow leave a pretty with a slide nose mop blow leave a chest with a pothole Congo gorilla like I'm from Congo I go on a rap.

[C]

Tour veso I sold on coliseums my.

[A]

Name colosso my hoes Doritos homie that's.

[C]

Nachos on the top floors Picassos hanging up on the walls at all of.

[A]

My spots though yo my dick smacking the tonoso My fans be moshing like they at rock my man had a button on a high pole my yam's the God cook on a high stove.

[C]

Spit the ticket that's self rich is.

[A]

Just the cop clothes.

[D]

I put the put you on that highway to heaven take the high road God knows I'm weathering the storm still in dry clothes still got my foot on necks My five toes got shy hoes coming out their shelves like tacos got that whole selling wholesale like Costco's I still come with syrup like Roscoe's and I got those chickens in the trunks with no wapo that's blanco pina colada I'm your cocaina parada it's sweetest vagina trap house jumping like the Ramada I love like the rowana get high until I feel nirvana in Cyprus I vomit these rappers are biting like Dharma and time is an issue When I send a pack out it's a missile dog food I didn't turn the trap house to a kennel Brick man in Miami they calling me brickle if you 5 I won't charge you a nickel word.

[C]

Last gangster rapper alive I swear to God against all eyes the only that.

[A]

Show up to what I describe my.

[C]

Presence is fear heart rates rise when my essence appeared no Stephen A. Smith here I don't wear my hat over my ears My influence on these rap like Hennessy and if we on the.

[A]

Same song till it fade out you.

[C]

My enemy Lee Harvey and Kennedy dome shot and I mean that like saucy Santana trying to pull up my academics.

[A]

Be so sick stop playing like a one hit wonders first song before I.

[C]

Take you back to the old game.

[A]

With the ball head and the shirt long I'mma be here after the earth gone when the ocean dry up weighing.

[C]

Out fish scale smoking herbs till all the dirt gone. You new, you making a spot hot you ain't going to last for long it's like you shot pop hated to love it Thunderdog still in the drop top and Noble French kissing something in one of them diesel crop tops Two Cubans around my neck like I got the work you left last album so 20,000 the first week. That got to hurt. That's why I listen to Bren F and Papa Perk. But not before I call Eric Simon, make sure we got the verse.

Listen to DT vessels.

[A]

Big time, big time, big time. December 5th the album is called Dynamic Duo. Dynamic Duo, Dynamic Duo Put the mob.

[C]

Deep on then don't even stupid.

[A]

This ain't that, that ain't this Crack and.

[D]

Kiss give it up for each sermon.

[C]

Thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you, thank you.

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[A]

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[C]

Everybody showing that school pride.

[A]

Game like this.

[D]

Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola. Ah.

[A]

Crisp and refreshing. That's a game changer right there.

[C]

Yeah, that taste.

[D]

Oh.

[A]

Always hits the right note. Just like the band at halftime. And just like that, we're back at it.

[C]

Passionate fans, school colors everywhere and an.

[A]

Ice cold Coca Cola.

[C]

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[A]

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