Fat Joe & Jadakiss on BET canceling Hip Hop & Soul Train Awards, will.i.am's Black Thought vs. Jay-Z, Jelly Roll SummerSlam story

Summary

Podcast Summary: Fat Joe & Jadakiss on BET, Hip-Hop Culture, and More

Episode Title: Fat Joe & Jadakiss on BET Canceling Hip Hop & Soul Train Awards, will.i.am's Black Thought vs. Jay-Z, Jelly Roll SummerSlam Story
Release Date: August 7, 2025
Hosts: Fat Joe and Jadakiss
Produced by: iHeartPodcasts and The Volume

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1. BET Awards Cancellation and Its Cultural Impact

The episode kicks off with Jadakiss bringing attention to BET's decision to cancel both the BET Hip Hop Awards and the Soul Train Awards. He expresses disappointment over the move, emphasizing its negative effect on the hip-hop community.

Jadakiss [02:20]: "I was scrolling yesterday I seen BET is canceling the BET Hip Hop Awards and the Soul Train Awards. That's like a loss for the culture."

Fat Joe dives deeper, attributing the cancellations to gentrification and shifts in BET's corporate structure after its acquisition by major media conglomerates like Viacom.

Fat Joe [03:26]: "BET came up as a community station for black people, right? Urban culture. And our man, Bob Johnson, he sold it to Viacom and Paramount. Over the years, they've been quietly firing a lot of people behind the scenes."

2. Challenges in Preserving Hip-Hop Culture

Both hosts discuss the financial constraints and creative suppression faced by BET, contrasting it with lavish events like the VMAs. Fat Joe laments the lack of funding leading to the degradation of award shows.

Fat Joe [05:15]: "It's a form of gentrification. They kept underfunding them, and you ain't got no money to be creative."

Jadakiss concurs, highlighting the disconnect between major award platforms and authentic hip-hop values.

Jadakiss [05:15]: "They have bread for what they want to have bread for."

3. Personal Experiences and Tour Anecdotes

Transitioning to personal updates, Fat Joe shares stories from recent tours, including performances in Chicago, Detroit, and Toronto. He recounts an incident where his driver forgot a knife in a Sprinter van, leading to a tense encounter with authorities.

Jadakiss [08:24]: "We only Cash Money tour. Chicago and then Detroit. Detroit was super live. The crowd was crazy."

4. Substance Abuse and Its Devastating Effects

A significant portion of the conversation delves into the impact of substance abuse, particularly focusing on the crack epidemic of the '80s and the rise of opioids. Fat Joe reflects on personal observations of addiction within his community.

Fat Joe [14:25]: "Crack was fly. It was addictive, almost like AI. Now, we can't even believe AI."

They discuss how drugs have ruined lives and hindered the progress of individuals within the hip-hop community.

Fat Joe [20:02]: "It's something so addictive in this world that if it hits you, you're done."

5. Reflections on Hip-Hop's Evolution and Modern Artists

The hosts evaluate the current state of hip-hop, comparing it to its golden era. They discuss the quality of modern artists and production, mentioning collaborations like Freddie Gibbs and Alchemist, and praise Raekwon and Nas.

Fat Joe [21:09]: "Raekwon's album, Fire Quan, and Freddie Gibbs with Alchemist shit is crack, man."

They also touch upon Will.i.am's Black Thought and his capabilities compared to artists like Jay-Z, emphasizing the importance of recognizing true talent within the genre.

Fat Joe [29:28]: "That’s how he feels. What do you want me to elaborate on how that man feels?"

6. Media Trust Issues and Technological Intrusions

A discussion ensues about the trustworthiness of modern media and technology, with Fat Joe expressing concerns over new TV technologies and privacy issues.

Fat Joe [24:30]: "No one should trust no one, right? How do you know if you can't trust new will, you know, trust a new person?"

Jadakiss adds his perspective on maintaining trust within personal circles, underscoring the challenges of modern societal dynamics.

Jadakiss [25:27]: "They don't trust that somebody gonna go in there with a weapon and take."

7. SummerSlam and Jelly Roll Wrestling Story

One of the standout segments is Fat Joe's detailed SummerSlam story involving Jelly Roll and Logan Paul. He narrates witnessing Jelly Roll being heavily beaten during a match, leading to concerns about his well-being.

Fat Joe [54:06]: "They are beating the brakes off of Jelly Roll. They are double suplexing them. They doing my man so filthy."

The narrative captures the intensity of professional wrestling and Fat Joe's support for his friend.

Fat Joe [56:37]: "Cardi B's right next to me. Get up, get up. She's all in, right? So I'm sitting there, I'm like, Jelly."

8. Listener Questions and Hip-Hop Preservation

Listeners pose questions regarding MTV's influence on hip-hop and the lack of support for emerging artists from established DJs and mainstream artists. Fat Joe expresses his withdrawal from mentoring due to past negative experiences.

Fat Joe [73:32]: "I'm all out of taking every relationship I ever had and signing you and introducing you to all my important people. I'm not doing that no more."

Jadakiss echoes the sentiment, emphasizing the need for personal responsibility in the music industry.

Jadakiss [73:33]: "Facts. I'm all out of famous myself."

9. Honoring Hip-Hop Legends and Unsung Heroes

The duo pays homage to hip-hop pioneers like Howie T, Queen Latifah, Naughty By Nature, and Rob G. They stress the importance of recognizing unsung heroes who have significantly contributed to the genre.

Fat Joe [37:35]: "I never met Howie T, but I always respected his contributions to hip hop. Howie T was a living legend."

They advocate for preserving the legacy and history of hip-hop, ensuring that future generations remain connected to its roots.

Jadakiss [41:06]: "We need to stop. Pay the ladies what you owe them. Stop throwing them joint skis on the court."

10. Closing Thoughts and Future Aspirations

In their closing remarks, Fat Joe and Jadakiss reflect on the evolution of hip-hop, the challenges it faces, and their commitment to preserving its integrity. They express hope for a revival of authentic hip-hop platforms and the empowerment of future artists.

Fat Joe [76:24]: "Another legendary episode. Ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate you like Share Subscribe Word of Mouth."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jadakiss [02:20]: "That's like a loss for the culture."
• Fat Joe [03:26]: "BET came up as a community station for black people, right?"
• Fat Joe [05:15]: "It's a form of gentrification."
• Fat Joe [14:25]: "Crack was fly. It was addictive, almost like AI."
• Fat Joe [20:02]: "It's something so addictive in this world that if it hits you, you're done."
• Jadakiss [25:27]: "They don't trust that somebody gonna go in there with a weapon and take."
• Fat Joe [54:06]: "They are beating the brakes off of Jelly Roll."
• Fat Joe [73:32]: "I'm all out of taking every relationship I ever had and signing you."
• Fat Joe [37:35]: "Howie T was a living legend."

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This episode of "Joe and Jada" provides an insightful and candid exploration of the current state of hip-hop, the challenges it faces, and the personal experiences of two of its legends. Through their heartfelt discussions and engaging storytelling, Fat Joe and Jadakiss offer listeners a comprehensive view of the cultural, social, and personal dynamics shaping the genre today.

Transcript

[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

They are beating the brakes off of Jelly Roll. He turns around, says I'm sorry Joe, I can't fight no more. I can't make. I tried Joe. It's right next to me. He said they definitely not going to believe you.

[Jadakiss]

Yo. Yeah man. You know what it is Joe and Jada, man. Hip hop for the, for the, for the culture. I was scrolling yesterday I seen BET is canceling the BET Hip Hop Awards in the Soul Train Awards. Now we all know our people, the bt, the Hip Hop Awards today started switching. I think they let you. They let you host it three years.

[Fat Joe]

Three years.

[Jadakiss]

Kevin Hart do the last one. So they put a little bit of fluidity back into it. But it was a time when then it got like the Ratchet Awards and nobody was really going and this and that. Then I guess with the passing of Don Cornelius, whoever was in charge of the Soul Train, I Guess I don't know, Slipped it. Didn't have the same fluidity as he had other years, you know, prior to before he passed. So now they just canceling it. That's like a loss for the culture. What you say?

[Fat Joe]

You want me to say? You just explain what it was? Do you want you to say.

[Jadakiss]

I just get.

[Fat Joe]

I got a different. I got a different approach, man. And my approach is factual. Bet, this is a form of gentrification, what's going on right now, right? So I don't know if y' all really want to ask me about this shit right here, right? So BET came up as a community station for black people, right? Urban culture. And our man, what is. Bob Johnson took the check. He sold it first. Black billionaire, whatever the case may be. He sold it. He sold it to Viacom and paramount, MTV and VH1 in them. Little by little over the years, quietly. They've been firing a lot of people behind the scenes in bet. And everybody who has something to say, they've been firing them and this and this and that. And I know because I've been working on. On. On the BET Hip Hop Awards for three years. Shit was like, the budget, not for me, but the budget just kept getting. Just getting chopped and chopped and chopped. And last year I debuted my single with Khaled in the VMAs and Katy Perry still flying through the what? Through the air, in the. In the VMAs. They still blowing out of the cannons. They still flying in the air. They still got all the tricks. They still got the budgets. They got the shit, you know? And so I think in. In the entertainment world, this. I don't think. I know this was like a form of gentrification. They kept underfunded them. Underfunded them, underfunding them. And you ain't got no money to be creative. That's why you was watching the Ratchet Awards and all that. They ain't had no bread. Last year we shot the last joint, and I am.

[Jadakiss]

They have bread for what they want to have bread for.

[Fat Joe]

I'm so. Hon, I'm. I'm so honored for the opportunity, Condi Orlando and the whole crew to let me host. That was one of the biggest things I ever wanted to do in my life. You know, I look up. If I never told you, I look up to a Steve Harvey. So Steve Harvey's my guy at media that I want to be like. And so, you know, that made me feel like I was Steve Harvey at hip hop and trying to keep it consistent. But I saw what they did to him. They just stopped the budgets. They started arrest. Firing. I almost said arrested. They started firing a bunch of people who brought a lot to the table. And now we're left with, guess what? This ain't working. But nothing without no money, no promotions, no staff, no nothing works. It just don't work. You might as well have called it the Independent Awards. And so no Soul Train, no BET Awards, but guess what? We got the VMAs.

[Jadakiss]

Those ain't for us.

[Fat Joe]

Well, you got. You know, I'm just. I'm being honest with you. I love the VMAs, too. The VMA, but I love the VMAs, too. But the point is, that's your answer in a nutshell. That's. That's what happened.

[Jadakiss]

So they. They left us with one award, so the bet.

[Fat Joe]

Really.

[Jadakiss]

Ours, anyway.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but they got the. I think the main BET Awards that.

[Jadakiss]

No, the BET Regular awards is still there. Yeah, but that's still Little Topsy Turkey.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no, that's a little. That. That's the second away. The writing's on the war. If you see everything else falling down as a domino, that's the next one. One little fumble by Kevin Hart. One little joke too many. That over, too. And so that's. That's. That's what it is. You know, sometimes, you know, and I got a lot of friends at VMAs and. And MTV, and I love you guys, but, you know, sometimes the goal is to buy your project to suppress you. You know what I'm saying? So the goal is, yo, some big company might come and be like, yo, we want to buy Rewinder 10, throw us the Billy, and then, like, shut it down. Like, yo, this shit got to go. We got to keep this thing moving. Who knows? That's just our take on Joe and Jada.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. Save Hip hop.

[Fat Joe]

Save hip hop.

[Jadakiss]

Save the awards.

[Fat Joe]

Let's go.

[Jadakiss]

Save your money. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. What up, y'? All? It's your boy, Joe. Crack.

[Jadakiss]

It's your boy Jada. You know what it is, The Joe and Jada Show. Another episode of greatness, ladies and gentlemen.

[Fat Joe]

Brought to you by the culture, preferably the streets. And we the realest in the game. Yo, check this. Yo, what you been up to, Jada?

[Jadakiss]

Crazy weekend once again. Shout out to Cash money. Shout out to juvie. Juvie shouted us out. Juvie been ripping the pain off the buildings, so, you know, they got lost.

[Fat Joe]

Detroit, too.

[Jadakiss]

We only Cash Money tour. Yeah, we did Chicago and then we did the Detroit show. Shout out to Detroit, they was super live. The crowd was crazy after that. I had some in Carabana in Toronto. Drove up there. My driver in the Sprinter, my man Nick over there forgets a knife right there. He forgets a knife in the Sprinter.

[Fat Joe]

Not on that.

[Jadakiss]

Now he's. He's. He's thinking in the Bronx, where he get. Yo, my fault, man. I just forgot this. They started saying weapons. It's turned into weapons. All of that. They sacked us. They everything out of the bags, all of that. Come sit down. Now is now. They like, empty your pockets. I got over 10,000 on me. You didn't declare it. Now they take my bread crack. We sitting there. It left me with 37 cents. I had one of my mans that's super squeaky clean with me, shout out to my sticks. He start calling lawyers and calling the promoters and all that. Well, I know they came out, gave me all the bread back, the passports. It was God. It was like Khaled in the Jacuzzi. God is the greatest.

[Fat Joe]

God is the greatest. God is the greatest.

[Jadakiss]

He bought me everything back and said, you can go.

[Fat Joe]

It was like, oh, one of the toughest places to get into anywhere on Earth is canon.

[Jadakiss]

Facts. I tell anybody's mother. Canada, don't they on. They don't play.

[Fat Joe]

You know how many times we was on tour and we went in the tour bus and guys had to stay in, like, over Buffalo.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, you gotta get a gather.

[Fat Joe]

Canada is serious. I went. I had a show in California. Ventura, California. Beautiful crowd. It was amazing out there. And then I flew back to come out with my African brother, Davido Fire over there. And. And he had that on tilt in Barkley's, right? So he was like, yo, Joe, could you come out? So I. I rushed back to do that with him. Caught a nice body in it. You know, the Barclays, they always let you catch a body in there, right?

[Jadakiss]

Especially when it's one of them kind of artists and they need you to come for some light or durbs for me. And I should turn to the main aunt. You rip screws or ears. Like, they was like, I needed this.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, crazy. So the crowd, shout out the crowd, you know, every now and then you need one of those reminders where they be like, yo, hey, I'm still that. Shout out to that Kiss cafe, bro. I've been drinking. That kid cafe got me wild, you know?

[Jadakiss]

I mean, kiss cafe, coffee.com, man. Or the order up. Get your mugs, your whole beans ground, your Kiss cups, AKA the pots.

[Fat Joe]

You also got to Rewind the time, you know what I'm saying?

[Jadakiss]

Waiting for my deal, man. You know, they went crazy, everybody a deal. You ain't offering me a bit.

[Fat Joe]

You already in the deal, man. That's the problem. We can't give you everything. You got everything.

[Jadakiss]

I gotta rewind it. I might have to rewind.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, rewind it. Cvs stop a shop wherever it's available. What a beautiful thing, man. I keep telling these guys, I go to every show. At the end of the show, I'll be like, yo, if you got gray hair, your wife, she want to keep you off the market. Why be 54 when you could be 43? Why be 42 when you could be 31? I mean, they love that, that talk. He's legit. Yeah. Let me tell you something. I think it's four years since the. The locks. Dip said three. Three years.

[Jadakiss]

Three or four? Five.

[Fat Joe]

Five? Nah, hell no.

[Jadakiss]

No, no, it's four.

[Fat Joe]

Hell, no. If it's five, I need my AARP card.

[Jadakiss]

Four. Three. It's four. Three.

[Fat Joe]

I'm getting up there. Y' all don't know who hate. Do you hate getting old? It hasn't hit you yet, right? I hate getting old.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, I hate it, too. I don't like it worse than getting old. What? Not getting old?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yes.

[Jadakiss]

Four years.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yes. Oh, yes. Like, I really don't like my surroundings, man. I don't. I'm looking at everybody, you know? I could tell I'm getting old. Cause, you know, I'm a big news head, so I watch Eyewitness News all the time or something.

[Jadakiss]

It makes you sad. You can't watch that shit.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, I watch it. Right. I digest that every. For the beginning of time. But when the announcers start looking mad old, the people I've been watching for 20 years and all that, they just start looking mad. Oh, that means we getting old, right? Cause we was watching them when they was younger. We was young. All of a sudden, they looking prehistoric. This shit out of control. No, I'm telling you. I mean, you ever see somebody dead, alive, stuck in the face. Nah, stuck in the face, different. No, no. Like, when you ever see somebody dead, is she dead or not? Like, I've been in airports, wherever, where you look at them and you be like, damn, that he looked dead, but he alive. They about to go. I guess that's how you could tell they about to go, right? Cause it's like, you never seen that. Anybody seen that?

[Jadakiss]

I seen dead People like to see alive. That's alive. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Then you look at them and you like, oh, he about to go or she about to go. Just color ain't right.

[Jadakiss]

It's a couple rappers that look dead. That's a lot.

[Fat Joe]

Couple rappers.

[Jadakiss]

Oh yeah, your algorithm is off you.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, you ain't looking that. Yo, let me. Yo, let me tell you something. We got a lot of stuff to talk about. But I want to ask you because I was thinking about it the other day. Crack in the 80s, I was a.

[Jadakiss]

Little kid in the 80s.

[Fat Joe]

What you seen what it did?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It disrupted households. It just. It was everywhere. You couldn't escape. It was in your family, it was outside your crib, it was on the way to school. It was in the school, it was the teachers was on the friends, family, family members. It was crazy. It was everywhere. Was an epidemic for real.

[Fat Joe]

That affected I believe and by the way, I never seen crack in the 80s. What do you want me to do? We of a certain age that we could explain to the youth what it was like so they don't fall for the Okie doke.

[Jadakiss]

Now it's opioids now.

[Fat Joe]

Correct, it's opioids, but it's still the same effect. Listen to what I'm saying. Because crack in the 80s, it first caught the fly guys in the hood. They start smoking rulers in the club, free base with the weed. Boom. The fly guy. Like in other words, me and you.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

It used to be a cool thing to do back if it came out now.

[Jadakiss]

No, we ain't.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, I'm just.

[Jadakiss]

Listen, did you talk about.

[Fat Joe]

This is why I'm trying to shout.

[Jadakiss]

Out to my crossy. I ain't hitting that man made crack.

[Fat Joe]

Let me explain something to you. The way they did it to the hood was it attacked the fly guys first. The hustlers, the stick up kids, guys robbing banks, this that they. It was fly. Crack was fly. You bought. You spend a little $50 and you.

[Jadakiss]

Thought, imagine this is where our age difference.

[Fat Joe]

I don't you think a little after.

[Jadakiss]

I miss when it was fly. This is why I didn't. I wasn't there for when it was cracked.

[Fat Joe]

Why I bring it up?

[Jadakiss]

All right, I'm listening. I'm a student in this.

[Fat Joe]

Why bring it up? I went on vacation with Nori and Nori cracked open some weed. That was a hundred dollars a joint. Some crazy. No, to me, that's crazy. I know for a guy like me, a virgin and weed, that's crazy. One joint, a hundred dollars. That's like the Japanese whiskey Yeah, they got $300 ounces. So my point is, at that time, all the guys that had money was fly. You know, they have records like bass baby. The biggest rappers at the time were singing about the shit, so they thought they was fly, but they didn't know that they was getting hit with that addiction. That's so unbelievable, right? So crack actually was so addictive, it was almost like AI. Now that we can't even believe AI. When you see AI and they be on Instagram, these girls ain't even girls. They AI. These, they selling you drugs, pharmacy, everything on Instagram and all social media, AI. That's how cracks addiction was. They've never seen it before. So you can't even really blame the first guys and girls who got hooked on crack. Now, if you talking about your era, 10 years later you smoke crack. You know it. Everybody up, they selling their TVs. You played yourself.

[Jadakiss]

That's what I saw. TVs for sale. Microwave.

[Fat Joe]

I saw that too. I see, I seen, I seen. Yo, I had a woman in my building that I promise you, if I do the knowledge, she was at least. If she wasn't a wife, she was the side chick to an NBA player. For sure. She was that bad in my building, she had three kids. Her kids were beautiful. It's a respectable woman. And she turned into a crackhead. And everybody who dreamed about smashing wind up smashing for a couple of joints, cracks. It was that horrible, you know. And so much of an addiction, you know, I don't use drugs. Never have used drugs in any way, right?

[Jadakiss]

He's enough.

[Fat Joe]

Diet Pepsi, yo. That's my choice of drug. You know how many of my friends I see gamble and they be like, they bet that the guy scores 14. May is here, he bet 10,000. The guy scored 14. They took him out the game with 12. That's a drug.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Huh? Talk to me. That's a drug. Some people smoke crack, some people smoke sniff coke, some people got the doosy doosi be the pink coke. They do the epioids, the distance. I drink Diet Pepsi. That's the least drug of choice, right? But my point is something that bugs me out. Even a guy like me, who I don't see me being in any effort, any type of loop, who knows of me ever becoming drug addicted, right? But ain't it scary if you think about this, a normal human out there, that there's something out there, they're so addictive that it could your whole world up, your whole life up. You just gotta try it, you know? Scott Storch, 90 million in one year, he spent $90 million. He told me when he tried that for the first time, coke, not crack, that it was like, it's something so addictive in this world that if it hits you, you're done. That's not scary. You ever thought about that?

[Jadakiss]

No.

[Fat Joe]

I'm crazy then, because I'm the only that think about some like this. No, I'm scared. I'm telling you. I'm scared. When you see Fat Joe never high and all that, I might like this. That's why I don't do it. You guys don't do it. Because I know people who have tried it one time in their life and it their whole life up. Same with one of them guys was Alec Baldwin's brother. What's my man? Stephen Baldwin said Madonna gave the to him. He was having a Minaj. Same thing with Scott Storch. They was having a Minaj. And the girl said, yeah, let's do it. Do the shit. And Stephen Baldwin said the same. He took one sniff and like, you know, the addiction ain't for everybody. It hit different people, different way this.

[Jadakiss]

Whole life up some mean albums out there.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you go on album mode. Okay. Talk about life. Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Raekwon's album, Fire Quan, the Chef Freddie Gibbs album with Alchemist shit is crack, man.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy. Freddie Gibbs Alchemist album is really, really crazy. Raekwon. I love what Nas is doing, throwing out those clap. You heard that new Ghost Face?

[Jadakiss]

Ghost Face single, Crazy.

[Fat Joe]

He dumbed out my favorite Wu Tang man. Who's your favorite Wu Tang member? You don't want to answer, huh? You gotta have a favorite all of them. You ain't got a favorite all of them. My favorite Wu Tang member is Raekwon Chef. I. I just love his delivery. I love everything he stand for. The shit he was talking about, he was like the drug dealer. Wu Tang member, you know what I'm saying? And me, you know, I always been in that street, that paraphernalia, you know what I'm saying? So I could always relate to Ray more than everybody. And everybody else is phenomenal. Some people say expect the debt. Some people say you God. Some people say.

[Jadakiss]

All of them, my brother.

[Fat Joe]

So we gonna say that Freddie gives Alchemist album is phenom. Alchemist hit me up and said, thank us for bigging him up when we all picked him as one of our top beats that we ever rapped to.

[Jadakiss]

That's my brother, Al. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, let me tell you something.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah. The new my Deep album is finished too. Shut up My hat.

[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

You ever notice the new TVs, the Samsungs and like that that they force you to watch the whack tv? It ain't real tv, right? And this always in like a cooking channel or some this you gotta fight the TV to watch real tv.

[Jadakiss]

Now it comes on, on that on.

[Fat Joe]

The hub, the channel, man. Why is that smart? Like are they forcing people to watch whack tv? The other day I get in the hotel, I'm like it's the walled off Astoria in la. I'm trying to watch cnn. I can't watch it because they got the channels on the Samsung. I'm like, not the Walldorf with this over here like the channel. Yo, listen, the bottom line is no one should trust no one, right? How do you know if you you can't trust new will, you know, trust a new person?

[Jadakiss]

I don't need no new people in my life at this point.

[Fat Joe]

I agree. But can you trust into like everybody around Me, been with me 30 years.

[Jadakiss]

Okay?

[Fat Joe]

Like that. Because if you look at regular people, right? Just regular people they don't trust. So if you ever notice you be on the plane because you on the plane, I could land the fucking plane pretty much. Like I, I, I'm so scared of the fucking plane that I know everything. The short landing strip. I know, I know. I know everything about the plane. I'm so terrified. I've studied everything. Do you notice that when the pilot comes out to use the bathroom, the airlines don't even trust the pilot to be alone in the plane. They get the stewardess, put the car to go in there, put the cart, but go in there. Somebody goes in there while he used the bathroom, the lady or the guy goes inside to sit with the other pilot because they scared this guy might play suicide and kill everybody. The government, the plane people. They don't trust nobody. You never notice that, right?

[Jadakiss]

They don't trust that somebody gonna go in there with a weapon and take.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm talking about they don't even want the pilot alone. There was a pilot that just, There was a airplane that just crashed. Air India 767, that's the biggest plane in the world. Most safest. The pilot, the last thing he said was, yo, why you cut off the fuel? He asked the other pilot, yo, why you cut off the fuel? That's the only way that plane's gonna crash. So his man want to commit suicide with 3, 400 people. That's the point is we can't trust nobody. So one of them jeopardies, they put, what's the address of Cedric Avenue? 1515. Your normal person, your normal moms, your normal school teacher or somebody like that, they wouldn't really technically know that was the birthplace of hip hop. So that's justified, you know what I'm saying? But it's up to us to, to explain that, right? There's one of the biggest, birthplace of hip hop. Kool Herc threw them parties there, and it became legendary. But, you know, hip hop started in three different areas. So it started there, it started in Bronx river, then it started in my hood too. So at three. At, at three, y', all, I'm not Yo, Kiss. What do you want me to say to you? You want me to tell you? I mean, Shot Rock, the first female MC is from my block. Little Rodney C, Ruby D, the first Latino MCs for my block. Melly Mel's from my block. Love Bug starseeds from my block. Grandmaster Flash used to play 23 park like I'm from the Mecca, the Soyuz. There's no they. So, you know, whenever anybody tries to start some hip hop shit, they just can't. I'm from there. I'm sorry for you.

[Jadakiss]

Is it Sedgwick or is it your block?

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no. 3. It started in three different places. Cedric is where Kool Herc is from. And we acknowledge that as a birthplace of hip hop. But it started three different. It's bambada, it's Flash, and it's Kool Herc. Those are the three founding fathers of hip hop. And it started out in them three areas in the Bronx. I happen to be from one of the areas where the biggest guys ever did it. Grandmaster Flash and the Furious 5. You know, one day I'm watching Melly Mel playing basketball in my. Across the street from my house, and the next day he's doing Chaka Khan. Chaka Khan at the Grammys beat. You know, I seen them when they all got the whole furious five. Got they first. They got their first white 190 Benzes. And they pulled up to my block back to back on them shits like this. And I'm watching it as a little kid, like, you know, I'm really from that. That's not even what you made me go there because you put the cat face. It's not cat. There's nothing I could do. I'm sorry. I was born there, the Mecca. But.

[Jadakiss]

That'S Melly Mel saying.

[Fat Joe]

I want to get you Shaka Khan wanted any second con. That's Melly. Melly Mel. Huh? 1520 Cedric Avenue. Okay, I'm five. I'm five paces off. But the thing is, that's across the street from River Park Towers is that's one way in, one way out. They throw them refrigerators at you off the roof in there. River Park Towers, that be lucky to go in and come out. That's not. Don't go see some girl at River Park Towers. You ain't coming out. That's a different type of thing. But yo, Jada, man, Will I am says that black thought is a trillion times this hip hop. We gotta discuss this. Jada. He's 1 trillion times better than Jay Z.

[Jadakiss]

That's how he feels. What do you want me to elaborate on how that man feels?

[Fat Joe]

So that's it. You just say that's how he feels? That's that, Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

I came from where you mind your business.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying?

[Jadakiss]

I was taught to mind my business.

[Fat Joe]

Me personally, I let the facts be the facts and I let the history determine itself. You had your shot to make hits, to be the biggest in the game. She was a model for a year and a half. I had my shot. We all had our shot at who's the best rapper, who's the biggest rapper in the game. The Roots played and are still playing an integral part of hip hop, Right? They also crossed up. They're like JB Smooth, you know, they hooked up with the Jewish white guy and they got the lick. They in like they could do bar mitzvahs and all the white joints.

[Jadakiss]

The problem is you never gonna hear a rapper say, coldplay's a million times better than Black Eyed Peas. They put that out there. And that's the reason the hip hop is hanging on a string. Is they making everybody go against each other for no reason, Just for small talk and clicks and get the most traffic to your day. If that's how he feels it, that's how he feels. But they don't. There's no way on Google, you could Google, Chat, gbt, whatever, whoever the you want. You're not gonna find Oath or Black Thought nowhere saying, the Backstreet Boys is a trillion times better than NSync. Leave our culture alone. That's my opinion too, because you starting off some, and then he's gonna go be in a state of the art hills somewhere making cars. You know, just don't do that. What's called for that. If you feel like that, that's fine. But no, no. We need no more nuclear bombs set off in hip hop unless it's called for a billion. This guy's a rich tech. He makes cars. He gonna go on the interview and just say, I mean, that's his thoughts. Cool, but we don't need that. Think about it. Find me somewhere where a prolific rapper went somewhere and said, this guy's better than Will I am a trillion times.

[Fat Joe]

Well, if I say it right. If you say it, you can't say it yourself anyway. Because even the time LL Cool Jays invented goat, it's one of the goats. But when he said I'm better than everybody, or he said some statement like.

[Jadakiss]

I'm the greatest, if somebody says it about themselves, it's different than somebody. For one, that ain't the type of music you do. Ain't even our type of music to just go up there and just put two, two people again.

[Fat Joe]

He almost lined up Black thought, huh?

[Jadakiss]

Like if you think lined up everything. Because what the dude, I got to do with any. Even if that's his Thoughts. Save it to yourself.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna move on from there. Because he might have stopped. Stopped the bombshell, a nuclear. Whatever the case may be. Yeah, yeah. Thank you for.

[Jadakiss]

The more we put lighter fluid on it, the more it goes. Let that go down. They both great.

[Fat Joe]

There's a difference between it up and being up, huh?

[Jadakiss]

Definitely.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I sit with my sisters. I sat the other day, had dinner with. I was. Sister Mary J. MJ and all of them. And, you know, I don't think I bothered them when I could. I was just hungry. So I was like, yo, where y' all at? They were like, yo, yeah, I pulled up. I gotta eat some shit, right? But when I had these conversations with the woman, you know, beautiful conversations, but she said, there's a difference between up and being up. You can up.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

That don't mean you up.

[Jadakiss]

Which one you rather be, man? Rather up or you rather be up?

[Fat Joe]

It depends on what level of I'd rather up.

[Jadakiss]

You rather a chance to fix that. And you learn from the lesson. Being up is no good.

[Fat Joe]

Nobody we in the world of. Is it just me. Are we in a weird time in life, right? Like, I feel like everybody's doing bad financially. You seen the jobs report the other day? Was like, 14,000 jobs in a month. You know, if Biden did less than a half a million a month, they was like, it's the end of earth, motherfucker. Got 7,000amonth. 14, 17. I mean, if the numbers are correct, people doing up out here.

[Jadakiss]

I got my mom's dad a condo today.

[Fat Joe]

I saw that, man. That was beautiful, man. You know, that was the best thing I ever did for my mother and father. I bought them a house. And I remember when I went through the tax thing and I realized that my accountant wasn't paying mortgages. When I first heard it, I was more worried about my mother and father's house than I was even mine. I was like, yo, they could come take my mother's house, my father's house. So it must be a beautiful feeling. Purchase something for mom and dad.

[Jadakiss]

It's beautiful. So it's a blessing, you know what I mean? That we can't take for granted. It's something you as a little kid, that's something you wish you could always do, you know?

[Fat Joe]

I love that. You know, Denzel Washington, I can't quote him, but he was saying sometimes families don't understand. Your own family don't understand when you trying to win and overcome a generational curse, you know what I'm saying? And your own family won't understand that you trying to get to the promised land, you know, financially, generationally. Because I think that's the game we playing. We trying to lay it down so generation. Whoever come behind us is good. Got a better plan for you. They could afford college. They can afford whatever they want. They ain't gotta live in the projects no more.

[Jadakiss]

Facts.

[Fat Joe]

And me growing up in the projects, such a big family. Like, I can't do something for everybody. I actually think I have done something for everybody in my family. Different times. But there's a cousin of mine that's probably a third cousin that lives in the projects in the Lower east side that I barely even know. I might know their moms that people are telling them, yo, you Fat Joe's cousin. You're supposed to be in the big house, you. So they do it to our friends, they'll do it to your friends. Your friends, wives or girlfriends are telling them, yo, why you ain't got that? Them boys got it. That's your man. You know him.

[Jadakiss]

Stay away from them.

[Fat Joe]

And that's the difference of. How far does that go to survivor's guilt or the success.

[Jadakiss]

Rest in peace to hitman Howie T.

[Fat Joe]

Did you know I never met Howie T, but I always respected his contributions to hip hop. Howie T. Do. I've always been jealous of people with their own theme song. So I'm telling you, Tommy Mottola just asked me to do his documentary. And they were asking me, yo, what about? And I was like, yo, Tommy Mottola lives on the road. Like, imagine they made a hit record about you that they're playing all over the world. Like Howie T. When I tell you that shit was wavy when he had that Howie. Tito, how he teed off, that shit was crazy. Some of the groups, James Special Ed, Chub Rock, he did Salt and Pepper. It's probably his biggest group. But Color Me Bad, that was, like, the white Herbie. That was Herbie. Salt and Pepper, Yeah. Howie T did Sweet Tea. He did Sweet Tea, too.

[Jadakiss]

He did Sweet Tea, too, right?

[Fat Joe]

But Howie T, living legend. He should get all the flowers he deserves.

[Jadakiss]

Definitely rest in peace and prison, condolences to his family.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I always get surprised when somebody passes away in hip hop that I never met, like.

[Jadakiss]

Cause I. Yeah, me too. Cause you met everybody.

[Fat Joe]

I bet everybody. I feel weird when I ain't meet him. You know who else met everybody? Busta Rhymes. Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Shout out to Buster. He got a star on the Walk of Fame, man. He deserved that. I seen the picture with him.

[Fat Joe]

In ll, that was Fire beyond that.

[Jadakiss]

They one of the last two. I mean, LL is the first with our era that's left and Buster.

[Fat Joe]

We did something and you coupled them right behind them. We coming behind. Am I coming with the Euro or. I'm coming with the. Yeah, it's.

[Jadakiss]

You got a new.

[Fat Joe]

It's the fluidity.

[Jadakiss]

Got to get a new name for your step.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, no, no, I like that one. But you know, Busta Moms, Leaders of the New School. Shout out to Long Island. They claim them, too. I know. He says he's from Brooklyn. He grew up in Brooklyn. Went to school with Biggie and Jay Z. But Long island claims him and Keith Mary. I missed a big one. Keith Mary and the Long Island Skit. Keith Murray's not just an incredible rapper. He's one of my brothers. So I'm sorry if I messed up and I missed. Missed out with Keith Murray. People were saying MF Doom. A lot of people, you know, it's just. Was amazing. Their contribution. Let's talk about Jersey now.

[Jadakiss]

Jersey.

[Fat Joe]

We're gonna get some unsung heroes. Y' all gotta stop. I think we got Jersey.

[Jadakiss]

Salute, Jersey Man. Red Man. Queen Latifah. Naughty By Nature. Lords of the Underground. Artifacts. Wyclef Prize. Sugar Hill. Fetty Wap, Joe Buttons. Ransom Chill. Rob, G, Rod. Digger. Outsiders.

[Fat Joe]

Outsiders.

[Jadakiss]

Hurricane G. Apache.

[Fat Joe]

Wow. I want to get Redhead Kingpin. Redhead Kingpin.

[Jadakiss]

Come on, man. Y' all leaving niggas out, man. Don't leave niggas out.

[Fat Joe]

Club Zanzibar. Poor Righteous Teachers.

[Jadakiss]

Faithfulness.

[Fat Joe]

Shaq. Yes.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, Shaq. World Righteous Tea. Let's go. Old Jersey.

[Fat Joe]

Naughty by nature. Church. Church is the unsung hero. You said Trent. Yeah, but we said. Let's try to break it down, though. You just want to run through.

[Jadakiss]

Let's go.

[Fat Joe]

I think Red man follow your Lee. I think Red man is the most underrated MC ever lived in the hip hop game.

[Jadakiss]

Hell no. No. About Red Man. But he too crazy.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but they don't know about Red man the way they know about. But maybe random commercialized.

[Jadakiss]

And they know about Red.

[Fat Joe]

They know about Red.

[Jadakiss]

You know about hip hop.

[Fat Joe]

And they don't give him his props. It's impossible. Red man was so good.

[Jadakiss]

Who is they?

[Fat Joe]

I'm talking about they.

[Jadakiss]

I don't know who they is.

[Fat Joe]

They don't want us to win. They don't want us. They.

[Jadakiss]

They get ready.

[Fat Joe]

Hypothetically speaking.

[Jadakiss]

Kidding me. Reggie's that negative.

[Fat Joe]

I agree. So I'm just trying to say fifth stages of blowback is one of the greatest MCs of all time. It's just. But my point is, his name should be up there with everybody's top 10, top five, whatever they want to do. He's that good, right? Queen Latifah, iconic, legendary. There's nothing we could do about that. That's legendary.

[Jadakiss]

Just put her up there on. Just put on a lot of Rushmores of all type of different umbrellas of Rushmores.

[Fat Joe]

Naughty by nature, they had a frenzy. Vinny kg, KG went on to produce.

[Jadakiss]

A lot of Shaheem Janae.

[Fat Joe]

He had all them dudes rocking. Next, Next, Next is one of my favorite groups, right? Shout out to rl, rl, The Outsiders. I put them into the equation because they're the first people I ever seen. Bring Eminem out.

[Jadakiss]

Fatal Hussein, rest in peace.

[Fat Joe]

That was crazy to me, right? One day we gotta interview Mutabel on here from the Outsiders and explain how did the Tupac. Were they cousins or something?

[Jadakiss]

Because he's on the outside.

[Fat Joe]

The Outlaws, Fatal Hussein, that was my man. What I'm saying is, when they beef in the East Coast, west coast, it's crazy that the guys who's on all the ill records with Pac is from Jersey. How did that happen? Did they meet him in la? Did they. How did that go down? Like, this is the East Coast, west coast beef. And these guys was from right here under the nose of New York Jersey. And so who else we got on that list for Jersey? We said, all right, this feature was. Was incredible.

[Jadakiss]

Sugar Hill Gang. Oh, Wyclef. Lauren Hill.

[Fat Joe]

Greatest female of all time. What you say? You know, sometimes people get mad because, you know, they. Certain artists are put in a level of. It ain't even artists, like people say, who's your top five? You bring up Lauren. They might be like, yo, she don't even count, but she does count, right? I made a mistake the other day when I.

[Jadakiss]

Why wouldn't she count?

[Fat Joe]

She's the greatest of all time. Some people.

[Jadakiss]

Whoever say she don't count, they gotta get outta here. She counts.

[Fat Joe]

I think she's the cheat code. She's the AI. So what I'm saying is, the other day I took. I take the top five rap DJs. Top five DJs. And with Khaled, I threw him in that. I threw him in that category. I was like, yo, Khaled too big. They even call him a dj.

[Jadakiss]

Piss kid could pre offer that.

[Fat Joe]

Why? Cause he wanted to big up Cal. I don't know what he's pissed off about. I put him first on the list. I'm stop bigging up. Yeah, no, it's. It's like two or three guys that I bigged up, and they wind up dissing me. And I'm like sitting here like, yo, like, I'm bigging you up. But Khaled definitely would have been on my top five DJ list, you know? But when I look at Khaled, I always look at him as his catalog is so big. The man, DJ Khaled, his catalog is so big. I feel like it's so much bigger than just DJing. When you a DJ and you got a DJ, shout out to DJ Nasty from Orlando. When Khaled does a show, he got a dj. He don't dj. He has a dj. So, yeah, you.

[Jadakiss]

When you a DJ with a dj.

[Fat Joe]

Hello.

[Jadakiss]

Let's go, dj.

[Fat Joe]

Let's go, dj. But there's certain people on that list.

[Jadakiss]

Dog house, got a dog house.

[Fat Joe]

Chill Rob G. That's one of the most class. It's getting.

[Jadakiss]

It's getting.

[Fat Joe]

It's getting kind of hectic.

[Jadakiss]

So SP put me on the Chill Rob G In high school. Yeah, it's. SP used to love Jill. Rob G. He put me on to. He was nice.

[Fat Joe]

He was nice. He was dope. And he had a big commercial hit. I Got the Power. It was two. It was Joe, Rob G. Who else? Somebody. They had two versions. How did they have it? Imagine you did. Why Jada wanted this into that. And somebody else got the same song, same beat. How did that happen? It was two. I Got the Powers at the same time. Video, music by Play. Both of them. How did that happen?

[Jadakiss]

One Chill Rob G. And one.

[Fat Joe]

The other one. I think it was Snap, cnc, Music.

[Jadakiss]

Factor and the Chill. Rob G's verse.

[Fat Joe]

Both hits at the same time. Same beat, same song. I Got the Power. How did they pull that off? That must have been before clearing samples, huh?

[Jadakiss]

Sports talk, man. Gilbert Arenas got arrested.

[Fat Joe]

What the is going on? Yo, what the is going on with these ball players? What's. My man Bridges, he's still in the NBA. The two twins. Morris.

[Jadakiss]

What?

[Fat Joe]

Morris. He got locked up.

[Jadakiss]

That was a mistake, huh? I think Gil's wasn't as big as they, you know, I don't think it was.

[Fat Joe]

He got locked up by the feds.

[Jadakiss]

But he also got out. And I think Twin. I think Twin. That was a mistake too. Like, I think that's a mistake. He got the money.

[Fat Joe]

It don't make sense to you, right?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, he got them.

[Fat Joe]

So that was my immediate reaction of.

[Jadakiss]

Like things like that happen in the casino. And then because you black, they big, they make it big.

[Fat Joe]

Let me explain something. I hate to burst your bubble.

[Jadakiss]

I'm not gonna burst my bubble.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

I don't owe nobody nothing.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I hate to burst your bubble. And God willing, I'm wrong. But I seen this play out. These illegal gambling spots. And somebody who's famous is involved in all that. They usually get a year in a day.

[Jadakiss]

They could do a year in a day. That ain't going.

[Fat Joe]

When I see them stories, I know how that shit play out. And they came and got you, you know? Nine out of 90, nine out of a hundred times. When the Alphabet letters come to that front door, your best choice is saying, okay, let's see. What's the least time we gonna get? Unfortunately, it's like that. Now, if you want to be Robin Hood and think you could take them on and beat them and you're lucky enough or whatever. But these are terrible. I just don't wish that for him. I wish it never happened. Whatever it is, I hope it's a mistake like you say. Cause it's crazy.

[Jadakiss]

It's not. The feds with twin. And Gil said he's snitching. He said he's snitching his jokes, man. He be all right. Rich, how you feel about Jerry Jones don't want to pay Michael Parsons, man.

[Fat Joe]

What you think, Rich? Mr. Dallas Cowboy.

[Jadakiss]

How you feeling about that? It's not as straight. He's it. He's damn near on the staff of Dallas. We got.

[Fat Joe]

Well, definitely. They paid your man with the. With the real stinky leg. What's your man? Dak Prescott? What? His is like hybrid glazing like this. I put up a picture one time. They. They. I was about to get canceled. That boy got the leg. What? That boy broke his leg one time. His was like hovercraft and be like attic maybe. He looked like a. Like a perfect leg. His shit. Perfect leg. His shit. I posted it. When I tell you the death threats I got, like, yo, you know, this.

[Jadakiss]

Shit was like, so what part of the.

[Fat Joe]

He's a fraud. Dak Prescott is a fraud. And he's only there to sell candles, huh, Campbell? No, I'm saying candles and fragrances. Your man is Lollipop Records. He's not gonna win no Chip.

[Jadakiss]

I guess we ain't getting invited.

[Fat Joe]

Doubling and tripling.

[Jadakiss]

We ain't getting to feel best.

[Fat Joe]

The sad part. But, you know, he's a handsome guy. They market him. It's the only.

[Jadakiss]

They don't want to win games.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, not with him.

[Jadakiss]

I don't see that.

[Fat Joe]

And then Parsons, who's worth the money? They giving them a hard time. You know what you got to understand is this almost like the government, right? There's people, this government does some things that although we're proud Americans and we vote pack taxpayers and all that we don't agree with, but we can't change it. They're the government. It's the same thing with the owners of franchises. Jerry Jones, anybody in their right mind who's a fucking Dallas Cowboy fan knows pay that man, stop playing with him cause you don't want to lose him, right? World west sends his love.

[Jadakiss]

Big shout out to West. We love you baby.

[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

Oh, I went, I went, I went. I got a yo, yo, yo for you yo. I went to SummerSlam. What's the guy that works for Michael Rubin sitting next to me? The redhead guy? Michael. Look up his name. He's the president of a fanatics he's sitting next to me because I got a witness, okay? So I go, SummerSlam. I'm trying to tell you, I'm about to tell you a story that's going to ring off Cap Mania. They're going to be like, it's not true, but it's a million percent true. So I go to SummerSlam, right? And I went because a good friend of mine, Jelly Roll, was wrestling, right? So I know he trained four months. I know Jelly Roll, but, you know, he's a big boy. You know, I stick with the big boys.

[Jadakiss]

Pause. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Fat Joe]

I told you already, that ain't even part of this story, all right? It's still a. Whoa, whoa, whoa, guys. I'm in a corner, right? So I go, huh? Mike Herman. Is Mike. Whoever knows Mike Herman, he's the president. For that, he's sitting right next. The point is Cardi B sitting there, too. It get to the Jelly Roll. It's Jelly Roll against Logan Paul.

[Jadakiss]

And.

[Fat Joe]

Jelly Roll come out with this guy. What's that rest of Jelly Roll have with him? Yo, Kiss. None of us, none of us want the fair one. We don't even want the 10 on one. We don't even want to be able to have a knife to fight this guy. What? Randy? Even if he gave you weapons, you don't want to fight this guy? This guy's so big, bro. Like, he's unreal. Anybody go Google him if you don't know wrestling. This guy's the prototype, right? He might be the first human AI guy, right? I'm looking at the dude. Logan Paul's incredible, right? But I'm looking at the. He's unreal is what I'm saying. As a human being, it's like, this guy is a problem, right? So I go, I'm looking, I'm cheering Jelly Roll up. They are beating the brakes off of Jelly Roll, right? They are double suplexing them. They doing my man so filthy. Now I'm a fat guy, so I know every bone. I know what?

[Jadakiss]

Yo, I know every.

[Fat Joe]

I know everybody. I'm a fat guy who lost way too. So I know when he falls, I say yes. That's two months out of the the Country Awards. He is not going to the Country Awards. Not after this. This was a childhood dream. I salute you, Jelly Roll. In fact, I've never seen a celebrity because, you know, you had Donald Trump in there. You had a bunch of celebrities. Mike Tyson went up in there, but didn't really do Snoop.

[Jadakiss]

Jelly.

[Fat Joe]

Jelly Roll was on top of the robes, getting suplex. Getting hit with chairs over the. Like, he was all in. They beat the brakes out of this guy, yo. And I'm there for Jelly Roll, right? So I'm filming the. He's. I think they put him on the table, right? I got it. On my story. I'm front row. They put him on a table, and Logan Paul's up on the top rope. He's outside on the table in front of the things. The man jumps and crashes on Jelly Roll. And it's. I immediately was like, all right. There he goes out for four months. There's no way. Like, they. I mean, they suckered me in. So Jelly Roll's acting like he's hurt. So there's about a. I was about to say a hundred. Let me just keep it off the cap circuit. 10 guys ran over and girls. 10 guys and girls ran over. Oh, my God. Are you okay? I'm thinking he's hurt. Cause I'm a fat guy. I. I know what just happened. I know you know every bone the vertebrae. I know his shit is fucked up, B. So I'm thinking he's really hurt. I'm like, yo, come on, Jelly. Come on. But I'm really concerned. I'm. I'm gonna be honest with you. Joseph Antonio Cartagena is concerned about Jelly Bow. They beat the out this dude so bad. Seven foot, like they doing. They don't. Yo, when they did the double on him, I said, come on. Not just. I can't do it. No amount of money. No amount of money could they double suplex me, I'll be dead. I'm gonna be honest with you. I break my own. I don't know what the Jelly Roll did to endure. But anyway, they got him on the floor. I'm believing it. Okay. Cardi B's right next to me. Get up, get up. She's all in, right? So I'm sitting there, I'm like, Jelly. I'm really. All jokes aside, word to my mother. I'm thinking he's really hurt because they ran over. Like, they didn't do this the whole time. They ran over like 10 of them. Yo, Jelly. And they talking to him. I'm thinking, this guy, he gets up and help him up. Took like 10 minutes. They. This man up over there, his tag team partner. They beating the break. They jumping him to death over there. He's getting his ass the big guy. They beat the brakes off this dude. While Jelly rolls like. You know. Jelly Roll gets up and turns around, says, I'm sorry, Joe. I can't fight no more. I can't. I tried, Joe. Thank you for supporting me. Joe. It's a million people in this fucking arena. This is Jelly Roll out of anybody. I swear to God. He looked at me. I'm sorry, Joe. I give. Joe, I let you down, Joe. Michael what's his name? It's right next to me. He said, they definitely not gonna believe you. The guy from Fanatics. He said, they're not gonna believe this shit. Jelly Roll was telling me, I'm sorry, Joe, I can't finish. I can't. I'm like. But jolly. I'm patting him on his back. Yo, Jelly. He's like, I'm sorry, Joe. I know you supported me. This, this, that. And he's walking. I'm like, damn, they Jelly Roll up. But in true WWE fashion, he gets to the tip and he turns around, he starts looking. They like, jelly, Jelly. And all of a sudden the. I got the power.

[Jadakiss]

Came back.

[Fat Joe]

He came back and started clotheslining dudes him up. I got suckered for the wrestling. I felt like a Hulkamaniac. I felt like back in the day. I'm looking at Jelly Roll, Jelly, Jelly, screaming with the crowd, jla, jla. And let me tell you something. They still lost. But I gotta salute Jelly Roll for yo. I could. I cannot. Maybe I'm too old. Maybe he's a little bit. Jelly Roll might be younger than me, right? I personally know. I can't take that for sure.

[Jadakiss]

For sure.

[Fat Joe]

I can't take it, man. He's way younger than me. I get it. 40 years old, maybe 39, 40. I'd have tried it right about now with these amphibious legs that shit off.

[Jadakiss]

NBA. Luka got the new muscles, the new contract.

[Fat Joe]

Luka came up to Dyckman and was shooting from the seat.

[Jadakiss]

Was on dyke throwing them joints.

[Fat Joe]

They was going crazy in Dykeman for the guard.

[Jadakiss]

Wnba, they've been throwing joint skis on the court. You seen that?

[Fat Joe]

No, they was joined. Joined Twinkies. They went to Dynasty, Commodity.

[Jadakiss]

No, not joint skis. Joint skis. They throwing dildos on the court in the wnba.

[Fat Joe]

That's a dildo's a joint ski.

[Jadakiss]

I mean, I didn't want. I tried to keep it politically correct.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, but let me tell you something, man. This out of control, like, yo, America's gone. Wow.

[Jadakiss]

And they keep throwing lime green ones. They caught the last. Somebody just got arrested. Somebody try to keep it going and knock me.

[Fat Joe]

I went to the NBA, the WNBA with Remy. And she pull up in My house. And she got not just the short shorts.

[Jadakiss]

Short, short, the shorts.

[Fat Joe]

So I'm looking at her, I'm like, yo, sis, like, you gonna wear that in the. The game? What are you talking about, bro? I said, yo, my man. Yo. Yo. Every time I look at the bench, they doing this to Remy. Hot blowing kiss. As soon as the game ended, they ran over Remy. I was like, yo, you look for the. Yeah, you came to the fluidity. No, I ain't lying. And we love him. I'm a big fan of the wnba. I got no problems. But I warned her. Premeditated mouse with them shits. I said, yo, listen. This is gonna be an issue she don't want. I said, all right. Every time I look over my shoulder, they're going sending hearts. And at Ram, I say, yo, Ram, you came to the wrong. You came to the. They ran over at the end of the game. Hey, Ram, love you. This, this, that. But they throwing joint skis at the game. That's violation.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, that's violation.

[Fat Joe]

But it gotta be. Nah, I ain't even jamming myself up like that.

[Jadakiss]

Don't leave. Please don't. Please don't.

[Fat Joe]

Because.

[Jadakiss]

Don't do it, Rich flag. Don't do pre flag.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, let me tell you something, Jadakiss. Congratulations. You're in the algorithm. Yo, this man. It didn't take long for this man to get in the system. The joint skis on the court. That's the funniest I ever heard in my life. I thought you meant, like, they had Dykman throwing joints at Luca. No, no. Like, joints. Like. Like marijuana.

[Jadakiss]

Not free rolls. They throw joy skis on the court. Lime green joint skis.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, a lot. Why they lime green?

[Jadakiss]

I don't know where. I don't know where they get the. I don't know what they got the colorway from. I just know he's throwing joint skis, man. We gotta stop this. Pay them ladies what you owe them. Stop throwing them joint skis on the court, man. Yeah, somebody lost one of the mayor bets. They needed somebody to have two more points. They took them out. Joins through the.

[Fat Joe]

Y' all on them. Yeah, that's what be happening. Your May is over there. Like, this guy got 12. Who was it spent 10,000 you had on that game, right?

[Jadakiss]

Tell. That was the guy.

[Fat Joe]

What was. The guy scored 12? Chad Ogram, bro. They pulled him out 12. I was like, yo, for sure. It was like, seven minutes left. I'm like, for sure.

[Jadakiss]

He scored 9,000, ladies and gentlemen, may have spent 9,000.

[Fat Joe]

9,000.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, that was a $9,000 bet.

[Fat Joe]

That's a Canadian border conversation there. Let me tell you something. Nobody bigger than the program. Nobody is bigger than the program. And when people start thinking they bigger than the program, that's when they disappear, you know? And even I, Me, I've had the conversation because people look at me like I'm the leader of my crew. But I've had the conversation with guys in my crew where I say, nobody's bigger than the program. Even Fat Joe is accessible. If I. For some reason, I'm out of here, you know, the show goes on. I ain't just talking about rap. I'm just talking about in life. And so people get confused thinking they bigger than the program. Like, yeah, your contributions is incredible. Yeah, we appreciate what you do. I mean, if you want to be tough, we got 30 tough guys. What you feel about people when they start thinking they bigger than the program?

[Jadakiss]

Karma. Deal with them. Let God sort them out. Kill them, and then let God sort them.

[Fat Joe]

I love that. Let me get. Let me. Let me get these questions in your. Jada's on one today, boy. Let me tell you, sir. Yo, by the way, if yesterday's the third. The fourth anniversary of the Versus Locks a dipset, then today's the anniversary of yesterday's price is not. Hello. Hello.

[Jadakiss]

We didn't even gotta do no questions. No, that was it. No, yo, we don't need no questions. We gotta end it with that, man.

[Fat Joe]

I gotta say, shout out recipes to Chubby, baby. That was Dipset that moved down to Atlanta because he threw the battery in my back. I went to my store the next day. He was. You know, he was dipset. So we start talking about this. I said, you know what? Let me crack this IG open, pause and talk about my experience in this. Because he was so passionate about it that we was going back and forth so much. I said, you know, maybe somebody want to hear about this shit and the numbers. Because I used to do the ig. The numbers was. I don't even know how many. We had hundreds of thousands of people on the live at one time. I never did that before. And while I'm talking my shit, I'll talk about you. And I just said, yo, any produce, any promoter that was negotiating with Jadakiss's team last week and didn't book them, just know that yesterday's price is not today's price. Yesterday's price is not today's price. And super viral. Did I cash in on it? I don't Know, I don't think I did much of it right. I didn't get merch. I didn't. You know, I thought I could sue somebody. They had a bank company with a dude. Was this. Yesterday's price is not saying it. Like me. I tried. Yo, can I sue him? He was like. It's like, you don't own this. It's like, damn. I thought we had him. Like, I'm not going to sue somebody of our nature. But you got a bank white dude with an umbrella. Yesterday's price is not saying that. I said, oh, I got him. He was like, no, you can't sue. You know, but it was fun times.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. And I thank you.

[Fat Joe]

Let's get these questions, James. Yesterday's price is not today's price. That phrase right there changed my life. Let me tell you something. And shout out to Portia T. And Kanye. Kanye sampled. That started that Yesterday's Friday. Crack, crack, crack, crack on Diet Coke. If I would have told him, it would have been a Diet Pepsi. Even though I look like a human Diet Coke today. You know what I'm saying? Get the questions. Let's go. Yo, this is Brad Register from Wildwood, Florida, now residing in Newport News, Virginia. I like what you guys doing, man. I love y' all show. My question is, you know, when you guys was coming up through hip hop, like, what was y' all favorite show out of your MTV Raps or Rap City? And also, could you guys try to get Fab 5 Freddy on the show? Because I know you guys like hearing stories and stuff like that. And he's like, been around hip hop for a long time, so I know he got crazy stories.

[Jadakiss]

Yo, MTV Raps or Rap City? Rap City. Yo, MTV Rap.

[Fat Joe]

I'mma disrespect the whole and say video.

[Jadakiss]

Video music Box. Really? He didn't give us. He didn't give us that option. We like the Video Music Box more than both of them.

[Fat Joe]

Now. Fat5 Freddy, we need him on the show. From graffiti. We need Fab 5 Freddy on the show.

[Jadakiss]

He's real hip hop.

[Fat Joe]

Fab 5 Freddy. I think he did the first collab. Cause when I was looking into, like, I can't explain it to you any other way. The Bronx was a war zone. Like, people live in abandoned buildings. The biggest gang wasn't the Bloods and Crips. It was the Stray Dogs. So when I think about the beginning of hip hop, I can't believe a white girl.

[Jadakiss]

Fat five Freddy's from the Bronx.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm not saying that.

[Jadakiss]

Thank The Lord.

[Fat Joe]

But it started in the Bronx. Russell Simmons came to the Bronx. They all came to the Bronx. The Fever, the first nightclub playing hip hops in the Bronx. Sal Opportunity. What I'm trying to say is I never understood. The first major collaboration was Blondie right up in the Upper. I never understood how did this white girl had the heart to even go Cedric, Bronx river or my hood and make this song and have rappers on there. And then when I went down to, like, trying to figure out how it happened, Fab 5 Freddy made that happen. You know how early he had to be in the game of hip hop to make that song possible. The Blondie rapture. That's the beginning of hip hop. So I agree with this brother right here. We need Fat five Freddie on this show just to keep it. I mean, that's what I think we doing. Preserving the culture.

[Jadakiss]

Next question, please.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Jada, this is not a question. Do you remember walking into TGI Fridays and Yonkers at Cross county and buying a girl a Hennessy shot after leaving the hospital? You had a hospital band. That's my newborn baby. That was the coolest thing you've ever done. I was in absolute shock. I said nothing. You said nothing, Bought me a shot of Hennessy and walked out. I love you. One of my favorite rappers. I just have to share that memory with you in case you don't remember that.

[Jadakiss]

No recollection. I was off anesthesia.

[Fat Joe]

He got super love for you. And shout out to Scott, Stu. Lennons and Yonkers, man, they came out for that. So he saw a rum. Puerto Rican rum. They came out about a hundred. You knew it, right? You told me it was gonna be lit. Stu Lennis, Yonkers. What's up, y'? All?

[Jadakiss]

Yo, Joe. Yo, Jada. What up, man? It's your boy. Ranks a million from the Bronx and all that. I just want to ask, why are DJs and, like, mainstream artists not discovering or breaking new artists no more? They leaving it all to the new artists to, like, do it by themselves. And then they want to help. Once the up and coming artists already did what they needed the help with, I think that's on the individual. I mean, some people don't know how to ask for help, some people don't know how to offer help, and some people don't know how to do either one.

[Fat Joe]

Me, I gave up on helping artists.

[Jadakiss]

Facts. I'm all out of famous myself.

[Fat Joe]

I'm all out of taking every relationship I ever had and signing you and introducing you to all my important People and then paying for your videos, buying your clothes, putting you in the studio, helping you make this. And then as soon as you pop, you tell me I ain't shit. I'm not doing that no more. I'm firm on it. In fact, I heard an artist, and I'm a shout you out. I don't know what your name is, but I went to this thing pretty looby, doing this DJ turntable thing, battle thing, and everybody was in there. And I went to Jersey, and I went down there and some dude rapped who normally I would assigned him in one second. This guy was so nice lyrically, fluidity. Every word he said came crystal clear. And after he performed, he came around me. All I could do is say, yo, bro, congratulations. What's up with you? Or Chris? Chris said, yo, Joe, this guy's incredible. I said, yeah, but he's gonna tell me, suck his dick. And, you know, he was the biggest. He was the biggest in the game before he met me. He's the livest. He knows everything. He's like, I'm like, I'm not doing that. Like, I just can't help you no more. I've been burnt too many times. Pause.

[Jadakiss]

Next question. Hey, hey, what's up, y', all, man? This DJ Nasty Nate calling straight out of South Florida, man, for four miles. Hey, my question is, man, y' all been doing this so long, but what's the one thing that you wish you would have never did? One thing I wish I never did is gave so many people my phone number.

[Fat Joe]

You got the same number for, like, 20 years and all that.

[Jadakiss]

Recently, I used to change my shit like socks.

[Fat Joe]

What was the question again, James?

[Jadakiss]

What's one of the things you wish you never did?

[Fat Joe]

Beat so many people up. Certain ones should have talked it out.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah, talked it out a few times.

[Fat Joe]

It was certain ones that when I look back, I just say it just didn't make sense. And I'm keeping it a buck. It didn't make sense that when I look back at it now, like, yo, you know why? Because sometimes you beat a guy up and they become martyrs. And people, you know, look at them like, you know, they wasn't even authorized to get beat up. Like, these guys didn't even deserve it, you know? But now they're the guys that Fat Joe and the Terror Squad beat up. And they running around like, oh, yo, that's homie. You know, Fat Joe and I beat him up. Like, too much fluidity for these guys in the hood. They didn't even deserve it. You know what I'm saying? Yo, I'm Joe Crack your boy Jada.

[Jadakiss]

It's the Joe and Jada. Another legendary episode. Ladies and gentlemen, we appreciate you like Share Subscribe Word of Mouth.

[Fat Joe]

Hey, it's.

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