Ghostface Killah on 'Supreme Clientele 2' + Wu-Tang Clan & Raekwon stories

Summary

Podcast Summary: Joe and Jada – Ghostface Killah on 'Supreme Clientele 2' + Wu-Tang Clan & Raekwon Stories

Date: August 26, 2025
Hosts: Fat Joe & Jadakiss
Guest: Ghostface Killah
Network: iHeartPodcasts & The Volume

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers an electric blend of nostalgia, humor, and real talk as hip-hop legends Fat Joe, Jadakiss, and special guest Ghostface Killah reminisce about legendary Wu-Tang moments, New York rap history, the making of 'Supreme Clientele 2', and more. Listeners get exclusive behind-the-scenes tales of the Wu, reflections on industry shifts, and a deep dive into the enduring bond between Ghostface and Raekwon.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Fat Joe’s Birthday Bash & Hip-Hop Flexes

[06:20 – 11:00]

• Fat Joe shares a detailed rundown of his extravagant birthday party—complete with lobster, $5,000 bottles of champagne, and a watch tradition among friends.
• Humorous story of Jim Jones being antisocial at the party and Fat Joe’s lavish (and changing) outfits.
• The “auction” joke: Young guests started calling it “the unction” (a play on “uncle function”), poking fun at the age gap.
• Memorable quote:
  • Fat Joe: "If you ate lobster, you could. You had 20 lobsters, great fried chicken. You had 50 fried chickens. ... This was Tiffany. The 5,000 a bottle, it wouldn't stop. ... The cops come to my house five times..." [06:20]

2. Wu-Tang Clan Dynamics & Origins

[03:50 → 04:00 & 28:22 – 32:09]

• Fat Joe recalls performing with Wu-Tang in Manhattan when both were paid $500, amazed at how 13 group members could split that.
• Ghostface looks back at the early grind, fake $100 bills, and sleeping in a 15-passenger van—all part of the come-up.
• Quote:
  • Ghostface Killah: “Nah, I never looked at it because I knew he was gonna make it. … We got paid in hundred dollar bills. Yo, the bill was fake!” [29:14]

3. 'Supreme Clientele 2': Creative Process & Sound

[12:22 – 15:00; 43:00 – 44:24]

• Fat Joe & Jadakiss praise the new album for its raw energy—discussing secure listening links and a "meaner" sound from Ghost.
• Ghostface reveals that the aggression heard was organic, channeling the track’s energy. He also discusses hunting for the right beats and holding onto a few tracks for over 20 years to maintain the album's standard.
• Skit creativity: Ghostface talks at length about addressing the “pause” culture on a humorous skit.
• Notable exchange:
  • Fat Joe: “You don’t sound like normal Ghost in a way… I felt like angrier vibes…”
  • Ghostface Killah: “Sometimes you’re aggressive on tracks … certain tracks bring that out.” [14:16 – 14:53]
  • Ghostface Killah: “For this certain type of thing, I need beats that could just take me to give me a feeling.” [43:35]

4. Skits, Slang, and Hip-Hop Culture Evolution

[15:10 – 19:29]

• Detailed riff on “pause” culture and how hip-hop slang, jokes, and taboos have shifted over time.
• Ghostface explains the inspiration for the “pause” skit, highlighting generational disconnects and why it’s funny/informative to address on the album.
• Discussion about being called “the unction” and how young people roast the older generation at parties.

5. Ghostface & Raekwon: Their Chemistry

[53:15 – 55:25]

• Question from Jadakiss about how their legendary duo dynamic came to be.
• Ghostface explains it was naturally occurring—born out of shared backgrounds, daily life, and mutual respect.
  • “It just came from that… Something was there. It was just glue.” [54:18]
• Hilarious story of getting kicked out of Barbados and landing in Miami, where the creative energy for ‘Cuban Linx’ sparkled.

6. Wu-Tang on the Road: Group Dynamics Today

[58:55 – 60:38]

• The challenge of organizing shows/tours with so many strong personalities and family obligations.
• Ghostface on wanting to switch up the stage outfits and perform with fresh energy (“No more 1993”—aiming for “New Edition” vibes).
• Despite occasional disagreements, the end result is always powerful: “I felt like these days, this tour we just left was the best… in our life.” [60:24]

7. Legendary Wu Stories: Highs, Lows, and “Political Suicide”

[61:03 – 65:40]

• Fat Joe recalls being at Summer Jam during Wu’s infamous Hot 97 “blackout”—a moment of bravado that caused ripple effects across the country.
• Ghostface opens up about the backlash and learning the realities of radio politics.
• Internal debates about whether to “kiss ass” and play ball or stay rebellious.
• Quote:
  • Fat Joe: “I already knew, this is political suicide in the music industry. ... The whole country was like a domino effect.” [62:03]
  • Ghostface Killah: “That was the time when… everything Bad Boy, Bad Boy, we was just so down here.” [63:48]

8. Hip-Hop Authenticity & Social Media Clowns

[30:25 – 31:32]

• Spirited critique by Fat Joe of older rappers embarrassing themselves on social media to stay relevant.
• Ghostface: “So if you gonna start doing corny shit now, you was always corny. That’s it.” [31:12]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Jadakiss on the new album:
  “Make you feel like you in a park jam. It had me thinking about British walkers.” [12:30]
• Ghostface Killah:
  “When we came around… I don’t know, it just came. It just is. It was just glue.” [54:18]
• Fat Joe on the Wu-Tang grind:
  “Just going there, like just moving, you know what I mean? So we come from, we come from that shit.” [29:14]
• Fat Joe on skits:
  “If Ghostface did the skit for the Joe and Jada podcast…”
  Ghostface Killah:
  “You know what I mean? … We taking over this, man. Anybody say something, we go inside their head. Word.” [19:58 – 20:15]

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Music & Live Listening Segment

[66:29 – 71:38]

• The trio listens to and discusses new tracks from 'Supreme Clientele 2' with Fourth Disciple.
• Lyrics dissected live—celebrating the storytelling and street detail in the music.
• Fat Joe emphasizes how they “needed one more verse”—showing genuine fan excitement.

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Reflections on the Industry and Nostalgia

[35:00 – 39:00]

• Fat Joe muses on how Bruce Lee’s “ice grill” may have inspired the hip-hop tough guy aesthetic.
• Jokes around insuring his legs for $100 million—mirroring J.Lo’s famous insurance—leading to playful banter about aging in hip-hop.

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Timestamps: Important Segments

• Birthday Party/Era Reflections: [06:20 – 11:00]
• Wu-Tang’s Early Struggles/Unity: [28:22 – 32:09]
• Supreme Clientele 2 Discussion: [12:22 – 15:00], [43:00 – 44:24], [66:29 – 71:38]
• “Pause” Skit Story: [15:10 – 19:29]
• Barbados/Miami & Cuban Linx Story: [54:21 – 55:25]
• Hot 97/Industry Politics: [61:03 – 65:40]
• Authenticity & Social Media Critique: [30:25 – 31:32]
• Group Chemistry/Touring Today: [58:55 – 60:38]

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Final Words

Ghostface closes with love for doing albums, praises recent Wu-Tang tours, and leaves listeners eager to get their hands on ‘Supreme Clientele 2’. The episode is a masterclass in hip-hop storytelling, history, and brotherhood, brimming with classic New York attitude and humor.

Jadakiss: “Supreme Clientele 2. Make sure you get it on all platforms, wherever you get your music. Stop listening to that [other stuff] and listen to some real.”

Ghostface and Fat Joe (sign-off):

• “Wu-Tang Forever. Wu-Tang for the kids.” [72:02]

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For Listeners

If you want:

• Real stories from the Wu-Tang days and New York in the '90s
• Firsthand accounts of hip-hop’s evolution and the wisdom of lifelong artists
• Laugh-out-loud moments and exclusive previews of Ghostface’s new work

Do not miss this episode!

Transcript

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[Fat Joe]

To prevent you from doing the things that you want to do, the things that you were meant to do.

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[Ghostface Killah]

All.

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[Fat Joe]

My office chair or hugging my friends and family.

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With Bemzelics, I'm starting to feel like I'm back.

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[Fat Joe]

Did you ever look at the whole clan and say, yo, how we gonna make money with all these dudes?

[Ghostface Killah]

Nah, I never looked at it because I knew he was gonna make it.

[Jadakiss]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah. What up, y'?

[Ghostface Killah]

All?

[Fat Joe]

This Joe Crack.

[Jadakiss]

It's your boy, Jada. You know what it is, the Joe and Jada Show. And I, I, I gotta repeat myself every one of our episodes. Every show is legendary, iconic, and today is just that. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome our brother, my brother, the God Ghost Face Killer in the building. Make some noise.

[Fat Joe]

Go, Go. What up? What up, Stocks?

[Jadakiss]

What's up, baby?

[Ghostface Killah]

Ain't None King, Ain't None Joe and Tater Baby.

[Fourth Disciple]

Let's go.

[Jadakiss]

We here, we here.

[Fat Joe]

Hold up.

[Fourth Disciple]

What up?

[Jadakiss]

What up? We also got to give a big special happy birthday to my brother, my business partner, Joey Crack. Make some noise.

[Ghostface Killah]

My brother's right.

[Fat Joe]

Happy physical. Happy physical.

[Ghostface Killah]

Another year, baby.

[Jadakiss]

I got invited. I was working like him. I had to get the bag. So, I mean, so I get him a nice gift.

[Fat Joe]

Now, I want you to always invited. I got three invites.

[Jadakiss]

You know how good I feel is I never get advice. I caught three of you invited me. Charlene invited me.

[Fat Joe]

They was just inviting to my house. They didn't even know, you know, I threw the in my house. Right, right, right. And so I never invite people to my house. I never. You know, my house gotta be special. If you don't know Fat Joe, you walk in my house, it look like a Mafia. The flowers look like a Mafia. It's like a Mafia, the flowers is. So you come to my, you know, a moff. You know a mob boss, John Gotti, living this shit. You come up in there. And so my man Urson flower box, he put it together. He came down from Miami and do a wreck. You know, he do what he do. The point is, if you ate lobster, you could. You had 20 lobsters, great fried chicken. You had 50 fried chickens. You ate Ace of Spade. They want spot, they wouldn't stop. This was Tiffany. The 5,000 a bottle, it wouldn't.

[Ghostface Killah]

It would just.

[Fat Joe]

People were like, martini. They just.

[Jadakiss]

They.

[Fat Joe]

It's just. It's too much. This is my watch, my brother. See, Richard Barber gave me this for my birthday. One of my friends, every year, yeah, we're still waiting for mayor's cheap ass. But every year, one of my guys buy me a watch. This ain't no regular shit.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm telling you the truth. Every year, somebody. I don't know if they agree.

[Jadakiss]

I need my friend.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know what it is, yo. Know this is your year. But somebody steps up with a watch every birthday.

[Ghostface Killah]

That's live, though.

[Jadakiss]

That's love.

[Fat Joe]

So, Mr. Bob. I love you, my brother. You did. But listen, man, we up in there, man. The cops come to my house five times. They come, Yo, Mr. Joe, this, this that. I said, well, you know, once a year, we never do Nothing. I know, Mr. Joe this, that every time they left, we cranked that music so loud, J. J. We deserved all five.

[Ghostface Killah]

All five, right?

[Fat Joe]

So we went. So, James, to your credit, at a certain time, all my Jewish friends started leaving. Steve Rifkin, Jeff Beecher. No, because it's important to have a Jewish friend. When you up the whole neighborhood Jewish representative. Final straw is send the Jewish guy up there, right? So we sent my guy up there, right? So everybody's in the house is. They all billionaires and everybody's rich other than the, you know, the normal family. So everybody, somebody, the owner, airbnb, the owner of this, the table. So I said, my guy up there for the fifth trip, and he comes down, he goes, party's over. Shut it down. I said, yo, I thought I finally threw the big dog Jewish guy to go to me say, yo, they not trying to.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right?

[Fat Joe]

But of course, the only problem I got with my wife and her friends, they don't know how to stop, right? So it's over. My man, you done drank 10,000 shits. You smoked you. Everybody's fucked up. Every, like, it's fucking over. Party inside. I said, what? They got sns shout out to sir, shout out to Ted Smooth. They bring the equipment in. SNS's DJ and your man Jim Jones sitting over like, Jim Jones. He's my brother and we all love him. Well, he's like an anti social, right? He the only guy come to your birthday party. Ice Grill, the whole party. We sit your gym. We love you. Yeah, we work. We worship you, Jim. His wife's having the best time. They playing all that.

[Fourth Disciple]

I want to thank you.

[Fat Joe]

And he like, wow, what you get out of gym every now and then? Cause, you know, did I tell you about my outfit?

[Jadakiss]

Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. What you gave him, boy?

[Fat Joe]

What you gave, Boy, oh, boy. I had this Bottega linen. It was too much, okay? Too much. Like a guy like Jim Jones, he started. I went to see how he started laughing. Jim Jones started laughing every time I passed him. Like, yo, this guy too. Extra like, I'm coming through with the bow tape. This a different kind of outfit. This is Granby ready. This was a problem here, right? This shit was like too fucking much, right? And it's over the sneaker. You can't even see the sneaker. The sneaker was over the sneakers. So I'm turned around, and then at a certain point, I get so drunk and it's my house, right? So I say, yo, man, fuck this suit. I'm tired of it already. I wore it out. So I go upstairs, right? Y' all know I got the crazy elevator, the elevator, the elevator. Playing Mob Deep, Shook ones in the fucking elevator, right? So I go upstairs, I go really quick and change. I come back down, but I just grabbed anything, right? But the shit happened to be flopped like some shorts and then this jacket, this graffiti. I don't know if it was Vales, but when I come down, Jim Jones start laughing like, yo, this man, he Tried to stunt. I really wasn't trying to stunt. But the outfit happened to be flop, right? Look, we at the time of our lives. I'm still drinking a bunch of water. Cause I'm drunk.

[Jadakiss]

Replenish, replenish, replenish.

[Fat Joe]

I drink New Year's Eve, I drink on my birthday party. And it's two days later, man. And I'm still drunk. I feel like drunk now. You ever felt like drunk two days later? Like shit is still like woo shit right now.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. You need two days worth of rest.

[Jadakiss]

Warning, we working.

[Fat Joe]

But let me tell you something, man. Today, because let's be clear. Joe Cracker, living legend. The icon Jadakiss, top five, dead or alive. But when you see another superhero, a man in the lane of himself. We barely got to see your face when y' all came in with your mask. We didn't even couldn't fucking know. You could have been Ghost Face cousin. We never knew. Yeah, and I'm admit something. I'mma admit something. I think I'm the realest rapper ever lived if I keep it a buck with you. Besides Tupac, I really believe that. But I want no beef with Wu Tang Clan. Wu Tang's for the children. Every year I post yard, they got some shit. Wu Tang for President. I got some shit out. I don't want no smoke with the Klan. Yeah, I mean, you guys, well, what you mean to hip hop, man? It's just no way to really, really explain your presence from you and a Klan. And this new song, bro, this new song was so flagrant.

[Ghostface Killah]

I think I played it for you.

[Fat Joe]

I think we heard it one time to get one.

[Jadakiss]

I listened to the album today.

[Fat Joe]

No, I listened. Yes, sir.

[Jadakiss]

Make you feel like you in a park jam. It had me thinking about British walkers.

[Fat Joe]

Had me thinking, yo, you got that alligator wallabies. Let me tell you something. Every time I see a wallaby, I feel like smacking the nigga with a wallaby. It just feels like an accessible smacking, like wallaby. It's like assault minor, right? If you smack a with a wallaby, it ain't like hitting them with a microphone or your phone. It feel like a wallaby. Bang, man. Like nothing. Nothing. Dudes don't got smacked with a wallaby, right?

[Jadakiss]

Supreme clientele too, man. What was Salute the Mass Appeal? Salute the Ray. Salute to Nas, Salute to Peter. Salute to the whole staff. Y' all mobbing up over there and just dropping these missiles, right? The next one is Supreme Clientele too. Which you let the people know. Cause I got it I got a one, Listen, they sent us a CIA.

[Fat Joe]

Email that give you a CIA, CIA joint.

[Jadakiss]

It's finagrant. A man came with my son. Cause I'm like, yo, I'm a roll up, check ghost album out properly. Try to send it to my son. That said, hell no, right? Your phone only get. I tried to call my man back. We listened to it. This was crazy though.

[Fat Joe]

Figured that out, right? Yeah, technology.

[Jadakiss]

None of that. I try to tell him you put it on him. Nah, dad, they gotta go from your phone. I said, I like that. They protecting it. You gotta protect it.

[Ghostface Killah]

Exactly. Ch, you listen to it ain't play no more, right? No, yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Evaporates at the.

[Fat Joe]

You know, you don't sound like normal ghosts in a way. Like, like I felt like angrier vibes or like your voice was like meaner. I, I, you know, like very strong.

[Jadakiss]

It was very strong.

[Fat Joe]

Very, very. Was that like on purpose?

[Ghostface Killah]

Nah, I mean, you know, once, you know, sometimes you're aggressive on tracks and like you said earlier when he was building like, you know, certain tracks, you know, bring that out of you. Yeah, but it was more or less. If it was like that. It was, it was, it was probably. I know the first track, I'm aggressive, you know what I mean?

[Jadakiss]

But fourth disciple, Georgie Porgy, my, the skits is amazing.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, yo, hold up, hold up.

[Jadakiss]

We finally fixed it for the young dudes with the pause. You know.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody ain't hear the album. Let's talk about. He got a skit on the album talking about pause. When we grew up, there was no pause. No, now you.

[Jadakiss]

When we grew up, it was a lot of that that is here today that wasn't around.

[Fat Joe]

But explain that to me why you felt like you wanted to do a.

[Ghostface Killah]

Because I'm in the studio one day, right? First of all, I'm here pause all day. Like, I'm just talking, I'm talking like.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, yeah, man, suppose pause and pause.

[Ghostface Killah]

I'm in there like one verse, I'm in there. I'm like, yo, what? I want to say something. I think it was a track with Nas, something like that. One of them joints. And I'm like, yo, I had to blow him. Like. But it was like, you know, we met back in the days when you blew them. It was like, yo, you know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Are you blowing?

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, yeah. Now it was pause, pause, pause, pause, pause. And it's like engineer like, yo, and he young though.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

So it's like he pausing me down. But I'm like, yo, you taking me out of my element. Yeah. Like, yo, but I know what the. I mean, bro. You know, too.

[Fourth Disciple]

Yeah, exactly.

[Ghostface Killah]

So it's like, why. So you know, we did a skit on it. Did a skit on that, right? Because I wanted to bring that up. You know what I mean? So it's like, yo, had my man, Mr. Commodore come in and, you know, we went to work on it, though. You know what I mean? Yeah, he funny, though.

[Fourth Disciple]

Like, you had, man.

[Jadakiss]

Pause.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, we did.

[Ghostface Killah]

You.

[Fourth Disciple]

You did this.

[Fat Joe]

You said you beat whatever he said.

[Ghostface Killah]

Whatever he said.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, he said.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, you don't make rap balances. So I'm like, yo. Yeah, you right, though. Forgot about that. But it wasn't the pause. Cause back then, Toss House was like a fresh salad.

[Jadakiss]

Like salad, yo.

[Ghostface Killah]

Fresh salad. You know, whatever.

[Fat Joe]

This is what's going on right now.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Is full of. If I tell you I like a glizzy. You know what the. I mean, y' all trying to act.

[Jadakiss]

That ain't in. In there. That's the one that ain't in there. Yo, listen, y' all saying two different things.

[Fat Joe]

No, we saying the same.

[Jadakiss]

Well, you know.

[Fat Joe]

You know I mean, a hot dog, right?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

What are you supposed to say? Like, I'm like some. Where's the pause, though? I think all my gay friends have a gay off. Realize this not gay. Why you keep pausing me for eating the hot dog, though? This out of control, yo. Yo, it's out of control. I'm just. Yo, I'm.

[Jadakiss]

It's different, though. Don't put those under the same road, brother.

[Fat Joe]

It's the same as.

[Ghostface Killah]

Well, they taking it too far, though. It's that. That's. It's like. You know what I mean? It's like, yo, come on. You know what I mean, bro? You know what I'm saying? It's like. You know what?

[Fat Joe]

No, no. They trying to make us feel old.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Knowing my birthday party, my nephews come. Angie Martinez, sons, they all 19, 20. Nico is there. Nico's there. Brooklyn Chop House's daughters. And all them in there. Look what they say.

[Jadakiss]

Brooklyn.

[Fat Joe]

Look what they say, right?

[Ghostface Killah]

Your daughter.

[Jadakiss]

I know Brooklyn. Yeah, well, Brooklyn Chop House got two daughters. Shout out to you, man.

[Fat Joe]

And Nikki. Listen, but what I'm trying to tell you is I hear them. They come. I think I'm Fly. I just told you I had the.

[Ghostface Killah]

Boat taking shit on Fly.

[Fat Joe]

His party shit looking crazy. They like, keep saying, yo, every young person to come. Welcome. Welcome to the Unction. Welcome to the Unction.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, they Called you shit a unction.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't here. I ain't here. I didn't hear that one, man. Where's the flags? I ain't hear that one. Sit at it. I gotta juggle these unction. Give me the flags of them. Let me tell you, this is when you so old, you don't realize they're snapping on me. They calling the unction. Where all the uncles is at. And like, we never heard that one before. Welcome to the auction. I'm thinking. I'm like, yo, when I figure it out, I'm like, yo, the auction.

[Jadakiss]

And they shooting.

[Fat Joe]

They like, yo, we uncles. We old. I said, yo, guess what? Get ready for a good dose of four hours of old school music. We not playing that young bullshit right now.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right?

[Fat Joe]

Y' all better get ready to two step. We not. Welcome to the unction.

[Ghostface Killah]

The unction for real.

[Fat Joe]

Real shit. Crazy how these kids. But listen, Jada, what's up, baby? I'm looking at the king of skits, and I just had an epiphany. Yo, Ghost, if we had a skit for the Joe and Jada podcast, what would it sound like? If Ghostface did the skit for the Joe and Jada podcast.

[Ghostface Killah]

Oh, you won't read.

[Fat Joe]

No, I need you to do it.

[Ghostface Killah]

Let's all work together on it.

[Fat Joe]

All right, let's go.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know what I mean? Hey, yo, the is all these other. Yo, you get this, man. You heard that over the other night, man, this podcast is.

[Fat Joe]

Man, now they ratings is real low. Wait, listen. No pause on that. Nah, man.

[Ghostface Killah]

All that, man. We taking over this, man. Anybody say something, we go inside their head. Word.

[Fat Joe]

The mother smack them with the Diet Pepsi.

[Jadakiss]

Coming through with 15 million Puerto Ricans.

[Fat Joe]

30 million Puerto Ricans and Dominicans in this. Your word, the mother, son. Yo, these need to catch.

[Ghostface Killah]

Word.

[Fat Joe]

I need to get. They need to be laid out in the purple rug and take them to Staten island ocean.

[Ghostface Killah]

They ratings.

[Jadakiss]

Stop subscribing to the podcast.

[Fat Joe]

Word. The mother happy.

[Ghostface Killah]

Huh? Like five gem stars waiting, lined up.

[Fat Joe]

Working off the fire sticks and all that stuff.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, right.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, up out here. You know what I'm saying?

[Jadakiss]

They even got cable. Don't do the fire.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm not dissing, man. We did a fight. Is he. Is he dead? Like, yeah, yeah, we got ghost, the king of this cats in this. We gotta get one off.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Nah, it's mad ways you can go with these skits, bro. Mad ways. Mad ways.

[Fat Joe]

Anybody ever fuck up the skits?

[Ghostface Killah]

Damn. I ain't do skits in a minute, though. We did them on this. Maybe even this. Even this album we on right now. We did it a couple, like, maybe like two times, you know what I mean? But not like that, though. Not like that.

[Jadakiss]

What was it like growing up in Staples? Cause I was over there, like, last summer. They walked me through the whole project.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Like, Ghost used to live right there.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, yeah. Nah, but it's just like any other. Any other, you know, project, you know, games and all that, you know, old school. Old school. Cats just bombing us when we younger, you know what I mean? A lot of fights, though. A lot of fights, you know. You know, that's where you learn how to fight at, like. Right? Especially my project, you know what I mean? Robbing niggas and shit, doing all that shit. But, you know, it was just on some real life, you know, after a while you get into the drug game and, you know, you start selling your little nicks and dimes. He got on Wacky.

[Fat Joe]

You want to know what's crazy? The white people in here, who are, you know, they are friends, our family. Family. That's not a normal upbringing for them.

[Fourth Disciple]

We just.

[Fat Joe]

We just went from like, yo fight then, you know, when we sold the. Had that lame with it. With it. And y' all looking like, what the.

[Ghostface Killah]

I miss.

[Fat Joe]

But, you know, New Yorkers University.

[Ghostface Killah]

That's the hood, though. That's.

[Fat Joe]

That's.

[Ghostface Killah]

That's the hood, man. That's. We. We come up in that. I mean, I'm not. I'm not bigging it up, though, But.

[Jadakiss]

But that's just what it was.

[Fat Joe]

I love it. I'm just saying.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Nah, just ain't for the people, though. But, you know, but yeah, but just like any other kid, you know, we was. But back then, it was more easy for us. At the same time, all that stuff was there because, you know, we play games, though. You know, These kids don't play games.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

You know, I mean, skellies and all that. You still did what you did, but you still had fun, though. Like, all right. You know what I mean? But, yeah, that was it. You know what I mean? Roll that. Hip hop was always there. We had that wave. Even before I was in Stapleton, I was in West Brighton first, you know what I mean? West Brighton pool, you know what I mean? That's sitting mighty healthy and shit. So I was over there, then I moved to Stapleton. But yeah, that's where my base was at in Stapleton most of my years. And getting locked up and doing this Going right to Rikers and you know what I mean? And like that though. But yeah, man, it was the hood, man. Had fun in there.

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[Angel, Diego, and Jason (Agusto Podcast Hosts)]

Hi everyone, we're Angel, Diego and Jason and we're agusto about podcast and trust us, we didn't blow up overnight. Le chamos muchas ganas. Paso paso. And we let our work do the talking. We started in our garage. No followers, no big setup, just the vision and real convos. Now we have the number one Mexican regional music podcast and our own record label. We hustled, kept our eyes on the price, locked in ice cold. Like Sprite, Asia is just three friends taking it all in. Chilling, celebrating wins, going to shows, hitting up backstage, living the dream and being a sin. Filtro. Cheers to that. Arriba con Sprite. Habla porti say less eye on the price. Conuna, Sprite. Cut through the rest. Conese, sabor, Lima, limon bien frio.

[Jadakiss]

Sprite.

[Angel, Diego, and Jason (Agusto Podcast Hosts)]

Obey your thirst.

[Dan and Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts)]

I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the solid verbal college football podcast. College football season is here and you know what that means your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween.

[Ghostface Killah]

Uh huh.

[Dan and Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts)]

But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a diehard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. We don't just love college football Tyler, we live it. Listen to the Solid Verbal college football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Dr. Joy Harden Bradford]

Hey sis, what if I could promise you you never had to listen to a condescending finance bro tell you how to manage your money again? Welcome to Brand Ambition. This is the hard part when you pay down those credit cards. If you haven't gotten to the bottom of why you were racking up credit or turning to credit cards, you may just recreate the same problem. A year from now when you do feel like you are bleeding from these high interest rates, I would start shopping for a debt consolidation loan, starting with your local credit union. Shopping around online looking for some online lenders because they tend to have fewer fees and be more affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets, I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt. When it weighs on you, it's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's like nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact it may get even worse. For more judgment free money advice, listen to Brown ambition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Fat Joe]

I told Method Method man this on the interview I did with him on the TV show, but I gotta tell you the same story was that I, I think I had the first show with Wu Tang ever. Not first Fet Joe, first show of Wu Tang in Manhattan. I think it was a club Muse or some shit like that. And I performed with y'.

[Ghostface Killah]

All.

[Fat Joe]

Flo Jo was out at the same time and I might have got $500 and then I seen them give y' all the same 500. It was like 13 of you guys. I don't know. I was like, yo, this ain't gonna. I said, I said, this ain't gonna never make it. It's 13 of them splitting the 500. Meth was like, yo, we went to McDonald's, we ate our. This, this, this. Did you ever look at the whole clan and say, yo, how are we gonna make money with all these dudes?

[Ghostface Killah]

Nah, I never looked at it because I knew he was gonna make it. No doubt, you know what I mean? I knew he was gonna make it. You know me. So I seen it. I seen it like a 27m zenith. I was like, yo, yo, it was times we was doing promo and I remember going to Texas somewhere, yo, and they gave us a fake hundred dollar bill, yo. That's how it was. We did. We got paid a hundred dollars from bills. Yo, the bill was fake. Yes, bill was mad fake. And so like, oh. And then from there it was like, yo. But you know what? I respect those days though, because that was our grind right there. Like, we had to, we had to grind our shit out to get to where we is. Like right now. Nowadays it's like so easy. Hop on the Internet, you might could just get a hit or just go viral. We didn't have to go. You ain't go viral, but you had to walk your dog back in those days and shit. 15, 20 niggas in the 15 passenger. Like we all bust up like this, sleeping on each other's shoulders and slobbing and shit. Like just going there, like just, just moving, you know what I mean? So we come from, we come from that shit, you know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

But yeah, people our age, it. Even the young dudes, people like selling they soul to go viral, right? It seems like dudes are doing the corniest shit I ever seen in my life. Like, it's like I, I just want to know what the you getting out of this. Like bugged out to me, man. I'll be like, like. And the social media ain't really for everybody. It's really for the youth. Unless you could adapt to that. Because I don't watch enough guys that I respect as men in real life do clown on the social media. Yeah, that you respect is real. Like, you be like, yo, who's some of the realest? You would mention them. Yeah, you get on social media, start doing wild corny. What you think about that?

[Ghostface Killah]

Corny from the beginning. How you gonna just start doing that? Because that your coin top, you don't recognize. Like, yo, I can't do that, bro. You know what I'm saying, what are you. What are you doing it for? I mean, so, you know, it just be like that. So if you're gonna start doing corny now. You was always corny. That's it.

[Fat Joe]

That's how I feel about ratting, but that's a different conversation. I feel like if you a rat, you're a rat. If you work at the bodega and you seen too much and the cops come and you don't tell, it's just because you a nice guy, but you ain rat. Your moms and pops taught you, don't be a rap once. The talk don't let me hear that right. Your girlfriend would dance or somebody stole you.

[Ghostface Killah]

You.

[Fat Joe]

You told, right?

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Okay.

[Jadakiss]

That's it. You told. You told.

[Ghostface Killah]

Can't fix that, man. That's it, though. You got corny everywhere, man.

[Jadakiss]

Mystery of chess boxing, man.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

That's where you got your name from.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We was out there, you know, we all into these flicks and all that. And that's like. I happened to come across that flick one day.

[Fat Joe]

What's the.

[Ghostface Killah]

That was when.

[Jadakiss]

That's crazy because I was a little. And the older niggas in. In my grandmother's projects, they was passing around that tape. So when the vcr, the VHS tape, or the Mystery of Chessbox.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

So when y' all came out, that shit was like. It hit home, right? It was like, how they. How does tape get from Whitney Young? This Charlotte. That's what I. I'm a little now.

[Fat Joe]

I'm like, how did they wipe out my skin?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Shit was crazy.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Nah, we been. You know how the flicks used to be back in the days we ate when the flicks come on, you know, on Channel 5, like, I think it was a Saturday.

[Jadakiss]

Saturday.

[Fat Joe]

It was two things.

[Ghostface Killah]

Come outside, imitate all that. You know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

But, no, I'm gonna say something that might sound really weird to everybody, but.

[Jadakiss]

Fat Joe's a black belt.

[Fat Joe]

Those.

[Jadakiss]

Get ready. Let me get a flag.

[Fat Joe]

I fought enough karate. I beat a karate expert up one time at Morris High School. That used to come with the trophies.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, he used to play with those.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I beat that boy. He knowing me alive, you know. Yeah. The smoke out that come to the school with the trophies, like he was a karate king. I beat the brakes off him in front of. He thought was scared of him. Because he's right, because he don't work over here. But what I was gonna say to you.

[Jadakiss]

He catch you with a chop.

[Fat Joe]

Nothing he was kicking and I was going.

[Ghostface Killah]

To.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, by the fourth one that boy was out of.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

It was like, yo, my man, this ain't the flex, B.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right, right.

[Fat Joe]

Just rock them and sock them. You got socked. Yeah, well, listen, that wasn't even where I was going to line me up every year, so he lined me up. Yo, be careful. So I go like this. But when I look at the back of the days flicks, right? And I look at Bruce Lee, I might be crazy for this, but a lot of the ice grills, a lot of the faces he was made, he was like. And I look at rap from day one, and I wonder if he influenced the swag of hip hop from day one. Like the Grandmaster Flat, the Sugar, they all had that thing. But we was. You gotta understand. You gotta understand, Kiss. We watching that karate flick every Saturday. Bruce Lee was like a God. He was Michael Jordan. But he had the ice grills and all that. And then rappers always had a. I don't know, man.

[Ghostface Killah]

Some.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know.

[Jadakiss]

Did Bruce even like hip hop?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I don't know. But I'm just saying hip hop liked him, is what I'm saying.

[Jadakiss]

Right, right.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying?

[Ghostface Killah]

Whoever had the baddest rhymes, you know what I mean, on some tough guys, especially street rhymes. I don't know. But you said Bruce had the ice grill, right?

[Jadakiss]

He did, yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

No, but I seen him with his grill, though.

[Fat Joe]

He had that swag, you know?

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Now Bruce one of them, though.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Jada, you know I just insured my legs in the Lords of London. Cause when you call my A euro, what I'm trying to tell you, I just insured this shit. Lords of London.

[Jadakiss]

That's that. That's that JLo with JLo.

[Fat Joe]

Ensure the ass. But I insured my legs, all right? Under the same 100 million lords of London. These different type of paraphernalia right here, B.

[Ghostface Killah]

Should I insured my legs?

[Fat Joe]

You know that they murdered it. It's a thing out there, you know?

[Jadakiss]

I know you like touring, right? I. I know you, so I know you like hitting them stages. You like conquering land. You getting a tour?

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Supreme clientele, tutorial. Is that gonna be the joint y' all was talking about at the Garden? When we supposed to go back?

[Ghostface Killah]

Oh, yeah. I want to go out with you. I saw a Conway the other day, too. Like, yo, we need to get. Do something. You know what I mean? Cause he. He gonna drop, I think, in September. So he got some. He got some shits so he like yo, he ready to go. Yeah, yeah. Come on man, we gotta make this work. Can't wait. Locks stalks we out here. What up Joe?

[Fat Joe]

You ready to go to Method man about the rewinded 10 and he said oh God, I don't use it but the beard coloring, right? I see your meth. I need you on the fly. Yeah, you might, you might be. I got my on right now some. I got my in. Yo, he's rewinding the tub like listen man, you gotta get ghosts on them.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, give me one of that box.

[Fat Joe]

We gotta get you a checking box. Your looking Joe. You symmetric too. Hieroglyphic on right now come your. That's lined up. I know I could tell it. You know I'm saying pin.

[Ghostface Killah]

I'm a kingpin, yo. I just.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, you remember back in the days where the, the fake road change you could grab his. See the lock was, was, was off like you know, you could tell one but you know this rewind at 10. Man, we gotta get you on a box.

[Ghostface Killah]

Free money, life, someone Jada show. Man, we here, man.

[Fat Joe]

This stopping shot put me on the box.

[Ghostface Killah]

Hell yeah. Immediately. Let's go.

[Fat Joe]

What happened?

[Fourth Disciple]

She didn't say nothing.

[Jadakiss]

I didn't say anything.

[Fat Joe]

What up kids?

[Jadakiss]

I'm waiting for my deal, baby. You know what I'm saying? This is my father that keep offering every. Every one of our guests to be on the box. Man.

[Ghostface Killah]

Come on, man. Hell yeah. Mixtape with that, man.

[Jadakiss]

We're going great though. Let me get on.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, we going. I use, I use that though.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, I throw it in, man.

[Fat Joe]

No, you gotta have that otherwise.

[Ghostface Killah]

Huh?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I think maybe when I'm 60.

[Ghostface Killah]

I go, you know what I'm saying? Just sort of like yo, you know.

[Fat Joe]

At that point you.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

What's up?

[Jadakiss]

Cooling.

[Fat Joe]

We're.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, man, 60 years old.

[Fat Joe]

You. No, but I see you pause.

[Jadakiss]

I ain't.

[Fat Joe]

I see you with the diesel 60. Yo, they be doing all that. There's life at 60. To me. I'm.

[Jadakiss]

No, I'm not with the 100 million legs. You got the honey got the 100 million on the legs. Yes.

[Fat Joe]

It's gotta get damaged though this to get the com.

[Ghostface Killah]

They got the new Chinese out there too. The bionic joints. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Eyes and all that.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jadakiss]

And then they make the sound.

[Ghostface Killah]

Nah, no mix. I don't know if it made the sound though.

[Fat Joe]

But man.

[Ghostface Killah]

Joint show they coming out with all that, man.

[Fat Joe]

There's no lie, there's by the way the days I'm not Talking about the bottom feeders. If you got two or three followers or whatever. Oh, but the days of somebody thinking Joe Crack is too big to respond to them, as of this day, oh, it's over. And I don't believe that you guys, it's a trend to say cap or whatever. I don't believe that you guys want to really fuck with me. Because any of you guys play with me. I got so much damaging to make you want to cry. You want to kill Fat Joe. If you make me slap back, you do not. All you guys, I'm telling y' all right now, I know I'm a podcast, I'm a media. We the biggest in the game. So, you know, some of these old school dudes that, you know, got some validation, you know, if you want to take swipes at me and think you going viral and all, I'm not going for it no more. I don't think you niggas want the response. You know, the responses come heavy. So, you know, for the most part, I ignore everybody. But when certain individuals want to hop.

[Jadakiss]

Out and think they're going to get.

[Fat Joe]

Click, I gotta give you that case.

[Jadakiss]

You don't know what happened right here, ladies and gentlemen.

[Fat Joe]

At home, he's watching the show.

[Jadakiss]

Somebody said something and he caught it. They thought he didn't catch it. He's the comment. He's in everything.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[Jadakiss]

You never think he's looking at. He saw it.

[Fat Joe]

Letting you know, I had to get that off, that off.

[Jadakiss]

That's it.

[Fat Joe]

And that's. Listen, guys. A lot of you guys, you know, competitive or whatever, but you guys, you're not like me. You're just not like me. So the cap is fun and all that, and I play along. I'm a team spirit. I came up here to entertain the people. You call me Cap, Stinky Leg, Whatever the you want when you try. When you're a person. I personally know of some type of stature, and you try to make a joke about me, to make me look crazy to everybody. Be careful what you wish for. Because all you guys, you all got beat up and chased everywhere. I know everything. I was there. I don't think you want this type of exposure. This ain't the one you want. And believe me, the Internet ain't gonna say it's Cap when I say that shit about y'.

[Ghostface Killah]

All.

[Fat Joe]

Let's proceed with the positivity. 25 years, guys beat people up all the time. But gab backing, we get the point. They got it. They got yo.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. I know better. Don't. With my man. You heard him, right?

[Fat Joe]

Flowers on the casket of all those who opposed the squatters Telling you right now, Verbal intercourse. Listen, flatline.

[Jadakiss]

Listen, listen, listen.

[Fat Joe]

They ain't performing for 500 at the 25, these niggas, man.

[Jadakiss]

You're finally releasing a sequel to Supreme Clientele. We're made now the right time to revisit that classic.

[Ghostface Killah]

After the violence, it was. It was like. It was the fans. It was like, you know, they kept calling them for it. You know what I mean? Plus, I. You know, you gotta do.

[Fat Joe]

You got.

[Ghostface Killah]

I don't rush nothing you gotta do. You gotta be in that state of mind. Like, ah, you know what? Now's the time of dent. Especially for that, you had to get like. Like a couple of beats. It's a feeling like when I do these things, it's all. Got it, got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And what I noticed is like, a lot of. A lot of our old producers, like, you know, they more so like, what's now. A lot of people looking for that old pack. They gotta give me the new pack.

[Fat Joe]

I want the new pack.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, I want the new pack. You know what I mean? A new pack. I get it when I. When it was like that, but for this certain type of thing, it's like, I got. I need. I need. I need beats that.

[Fourth Disciple]

That.

[Ghostface Killah]

That could just take me to give me a feeling. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that takes a long time because it's not like that. And plus, my mind wasn't even really on it. I'm doing other songs and albums for other people and stuff like that. So it just be like, oh, yo, 25 years is coming up. So I try to keep my mind on it every. A couple of songs. I got. I got like five songs. And I had, like, since 2000 for like 20. 20 something years. Like 23 years. And I just held it, just held it and was like, yo, I'll save it for supreme or whatever. So by the time we got all that, you know what I mean? I fucking decided. I asked my man, like, yo, nah, nah, put it on, put it on. But you know me, I'm a funny nigga. So it's like, you know, if it fit, it fit. If it don't, it don't. You know what I mean? So. And I just shaped it up. Whatever, whatever, whatever. And that was it.

[Jadakiss]

No doubt.

[Ghostface Killah]

I like doing projects, though.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Like albums. I like doing albums, especially my shit, you know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

So the intro was talking about the Birthday party. But I was thinking about, yeah, you know, I threw a party in my house. I'm looking out the window, the party starts at five. We got two customers. My man at Fourneau Bakery. Who made it? Marco and his girl. Six o', clock, I look out the window, two more customers, Didier and his girlfriend. My publicist. Shit look light out there. You know, Fat Joe birthday party be lit. My n. I'm like, I don't know if this ever happened to nobody. I'm looking out the window, I don't know if it's too early to come out, reveal the outfit. I'm looking around like, yo, don't do this. Did nobody get the memo? Cause they extra set it up, like, hundred chairs. This. They made it too big, Right? Right. And we don't really invite people to the crib like that. But the people if that we invited, by the way, by like 9, 10 o', clock. Shit was lit out of control. Every chair. But I was scared, right? Like, I'm looking at a hundred chairs. I'm just. Nobody really there. Like, yo, this shit was scary as fuck. I said, yo, all we need is the pic of them saying nobody showed the Fat Joe's birthday. That shit was out of control. Nine o', clock, we start rocking. Ten o', clock, shit ran packed. We good to go. That shit. That's. That, that's. It was scary. Yeah, it was scary. It was borderline. It was like going to a show and show up.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. I never knew that you had. You did the Apollo.

[Fat Joe]

That's how it started.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. You said you won, right?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, four weeks in a row. Murdered it, I guess. It's Cat.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, I know.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something, yo, that's crazy, though. This is why I believe in God so much, right? Because yeah, I went there. Ready? So I'm saying when I walked up in the audition, it was a hundred people there. I knew if I'm. That's the true part of delusional records that I looked at everybody like, yo, what are they even doing here? Like, you notice my shit. I'm about to tear this down. The truth is, I wasn't really a great rapper at that time, right? But I'm a real street dude. So they've been seeing me get money my whole life, right? So, I don't know. I thought about it one day in a hotel all these years later, I said, how did you win the Apollo? Right? And I swear to God, had to be God, because when I stepped on stage, they just went pandemonium. Like, they never heard of Bar Jay. They wasn't like, you, yo, you pussy. You this, you name it. They didn't. I never heard a bar. I stepped out stage four times. They made me retire because I was just winning every week.

[Ghostface Killah]

I had never noticed.

[Fat Joe]

And they never heard a verse. They could not hear a verse.

[Ghostface Killah]

It was just.

[Fat Joe]

The people just. Was just going. You know, I tell them I was like, the fat lady that goes. And I am telling you, but I'm not going. Like, you know, they win every week. No, I'm saying Ghost.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I came out there. I'm telling you, as my brother.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I can't even make sense of it.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Crazy. I came out, you know. No, that's where I met Red Alert, who asked me for a demo. Flojo was the demo for Red Alert. People heard it. That's how I got signed. Chris Lighty came and signed me off the Flo Jo demo promo and Red Alert would play every week, and that went number one in the country. But I'm just telling you as your brother, no cap, no line. I don't know how it was, bro. I was just coming out.

[Ghostface Killah]

I gotta go back. I gotta.

[Fat Joe]

It's up. They was just on screaming. I don't think it's there. I've been looking for it for, like, a documentary or something. Yeah, I can't find it. I called Ralph Campbell Jr.

[Ghostface Killah]

It gotta be used to shoot it.

[Fat Joe]

I asked him for. Some of these guys, man, they don't let that footage go. He might want Fat Joe to die so he could put it on his. You know what I'm saying? Ralph Cooper Jr. No, I called him too. I hit him up. The guy who used to run the Apollo used to be the host and all that. Like, he was like, yeah, yeah, I got the footage, but he ain't never get that up. But, you know, everybody got their process.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. That's radio.

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[Dan and Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts)]

A foot washed up a shoe with.

[Jadakiss]

Some bones in it.

[Dan and Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts)]

They had no idea who it was.

[Ghostface Killah]

Most everything was burned up pretty good.

[Dan and Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts)]

From the fire that not a whole lot was salvageable.

[Dr. Joy Harden Bradford]

These are the coldest of cold cases. But everything is about to change.

[Fat Joe]

Every case that is a cold case that has DNA right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime.

[Dr. Joy Harden Bradford]

A small lab in Texas is cracking the code on DNA using new scientific tools. They're finding clues in evidence so tiny you might just miss it.

[Fat Joe]

He never thought he was going to.

[Ghostface Killah]

Get caught and I just looked at my computer screen.

[Fat Joe]

I was just like, ah, gotcha.

[Dr. Joy Harden Bradford]

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[Dan and Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts)]

I'm Dan, he's Ty. Hello. And we're the Solid Verbal College football podcast. College football season is here. And you know what that means. Your team is going to break your heart three times probably before Halloween.

[Ghostface Killah]

Uh huh.

[Dan and Ty (Solid Verbal Podcast Hosts)]

But fear not, the Solid Verbal will be right there with you through every soul crushing loss and impossible comeback. Join us all season long, all year long, as we ride the rollercoaster of this ridiculous sport. Whether you're a diehard fan or a casual observer, we'll help you make sense of all the chaos and of course, celebrate the madness. Tune in for previews, recaps, bits you won't hear anywhere else, and all the emotional support you need as a college football fan. We don't just love college football, Ty. We live it. Listen to the Solid Verbal college football podcasts on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jadakiss]

You and Ray, how did you and Ray create that chemistry right there? Cuban.

[Ghostface Killah]

Cuban. Cuban, yeah, the Cuban, right? Me and Ray, you know, it's like out the crew, we. We was just like come from. Stay with your knee, from the hill. You know what I mean? A lot of us went to school with each other though, you know what I mean? So it's like, you know, brothers is like, you know, snapping on each other and doing all other shit like that. But I don't know, when we came, when we came around, it was like, you know, I'm a street. He's street. Get money and all that. I don't know, it just, it just came. It just, it just, it just is. It was. Something was there. It was just. It was just glue that was just there. So we started really like teaming up, doing these things, you know, we recognized that chemistry when we was in, before the album came out, like I guess doing the Wu Tang album. And then it started probably around the time we was doing all that. Can it be also simple shit, you know what I mean? And. But after that, it was just. Yeah, it was just. It was just on. We was doing everything together, you know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

So.

[Ghostface Killah]

So, yeah, I think that's. It just came from that.

[Jadakiss]

Like, it's fire.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, it's going like, got comfortable. We got kicked out of Barbados in the midst of that. That's how it happened.

[Jadakiss]

It was like, how the hell did y' all get kicked out of Barbados?

[Ghostface Killah]

It was like, nah, because it was like Ray was up next. You know how the clan was. Cause, all right, yo, so you know, at that time, anybody want to get on. But then the clan, it's like, you had to be. You had to respect who's up next.

[Jadakiss]

Who's up next.

[Ghostface Killah]

So, you know, meth was first. That did not think dirt.

[Jadakiss]

Everybody scratching at the door.

[Ghostface Killah]

Dirt.

[Jadakiss]

You like pits that's locked in the closet?

[Fat Joe]

What?

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Who was dirt? Right, Right.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. So then it was like that. And that was that. And that was going into the prime year, like, 94, 95. So, you know, we go to. We go to Barbados. We pick up the beats first. So I'm like, yeah, that one right there. That, that, that, that, that, that. All that flash you heard on whatchamacall, we just took those with us. Boom. The Barbados. So we dressed. We had them shits on. Joe got them fatigues and all that other. We got them mad over there. I don't know who it was.

[Jadakiss]

Ain't like how y' all look?

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Ain't like there. Not. Not nada. They just kept with us back. Yo, yo, turn the music down. It was like, yo, we even got that shit. We ain't even went. They just kept. Kept with then. And then it came, like, maybe like three days later. He's only there for like, a hot. Maybe like three days. But I. But it was my fault, though, because I'm trying to go. You know, when you're young, you trying to find the exotic place. I told the, like, yo, I told like, yo, we're gonna go to Barbados. Check this out. I had a pamphlet. This was called the Royal Pavilion. Name was already sounding fly. The brochure looked to fly. Boom. He like, bet. Then we get out. It was, yo, bam, kick this out. They can't with us. Kick this out. So now we're like, damn, where the we gonna go? Steve Rifkin, you know, he like, yo, go to Miami. This and that. That's the best thing he ever said, bro. You know, I think he said it or Race said it. We get to Miami, Scarface. It was all Scarface there. You got bricks finding bricks right across the street on the water. Yeah. Popping up. 500, 000 here and there. You know what I mean? It was just. It was Scarface. And that's how long dosses came out. Yeah. Boom. Dots every day. Bam. And we had Bex and Heine against the drinking mad at them shits. I forgot what hotel. We forgot the name. The Pelican Hotel. Right up in there like that. Yo, that's where we jotted all that down. Yeah, Everything. Then we came back. We just wrote everything. Yeah. Came Back and laid it, laid it down.

[Fat Joe]

You know what? You know what I'm thinking, Mike? That's a beautiful story. But with guys like you, guys like you and me, you ever bumped into guys who really believe your music and was trying to impress you? Like, I had my first show in Miami. It's very similar, right? And I left the drug game to be positive and be a rap. The guys who booked me, the promoter, they took me to a house, and it was so much kilos of cocaine and guns in this house. It was like, yeah, Joey, crack this. They showing me all this. I'm like, yo, bro, I want to be so far away from these dudes. That's definitely happened to the locks. That happened to y'.

[Ghostface Killah]

All.

[Fat Joe]

People trying to prove to you that I know that.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Cause they think, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Dudes got arrested doing that to me. When I was going at it with 50. What they do, I was actually at like a havoc or a mob deep. It has something in the city, like a listening or party. So we went to that. Then walk into the car, he's. I'm walking day in the car. And they're like, yeah, kiss you going at it with 50 and this and that. We. We respect street this. They pulling out rat and the police knocks right behind them. The got arrest.

[Fat Joe]

Yes.

[Jadakiss]

They did more than they.

[Fat Joe]

You actually felt bad for them.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. They didn't have no reason to do that.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Try to prove to me what you doing, tnt. They probably just getting out now.

[Ghostface Killah]

It's a lot of. Be a lot of man. Fans. They just fans, though.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Want to just sometimes.

[Jadakiss]

Sometimes they don't know how to express their love.

[Ghostface Killah]

Especially with them guns.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. It goes all wrong.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. So that's what it was, though. Went out there, came back, laid that shit down, did a couple of skits, and yeah, man, that was it.

[Jadakiss]

When y' all gotta do a tour, when y' all gotta do something that includes everybody except Rest in peace, go dirty. How hard or how easy or how is that when y' all about to go on tour, work on the album, or do something that requires anybody now, after all these years of success and everybody got their own families and their own companies and entities, that is it still easy or is it a little bit complicated?

[Ghostface Killah]

I mean, the complicated part is coming to a conclusion.

[Jadakiss]

You know, everybody got how they feel it should go.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Ghostface Killah]

Now with that, you know me, I'm like, yo, we gotta change this outfits, man. We need to come out on some new edition, you heard? Do some. Some fly like this you got that? I want no blazers and shit doing all that. I'm like, yo, but, yo, come on. We can't be coming out 93. It's like, yo, man, we here then, you know? But it's. It's like nine of us, ten of us, and everybody got their own shit. But for the most part, me and Ray be on the same page, you know what I mean? Like, yo, nigga, this and that and the third. But it's like, yeah, B. It's like when it comes to making a decision. Yeah. You got so many. You know what I mean? Sometimes you just gotta bow out. Like, you know what?

[Jadakiss]

Fuck you. I got.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not. I'm not saying that. And just do that. You know what I mean? And let them niggas do it. But. But. Yeah. But other than that, when we come together for the cause. Yeah, yeah.

[Jadakiss]

The end result is always beautiful.

[Ghostface Killah]

There we go. We did that. Like, this year. I felt more comfortable with the shows that we did. I felt like. I felt like these was the. These days, this tour we just left was the best shits that we ever did in our life.

[Jadakiss]

The garden was magnifying.

[Ghostface Killah]

It was incredible.

[Jadakiss]

It was electrifying. It was. It was nostalgic. It was. It was incredible. I was on the side of the stage after touching the stage.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Just chill on the side and watch the rest of the show. I was like a little kid in front of the Christmas tree.

[Ghostface Killah]

Right.

[Fat Joe]

It's going crazy, right?

[Ghostface Killah]

Nah, but so that's, you know, crazy. We all crazy at Mad Years. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I see they ask you about this every interview, so I don't really need a big response. Right. But, you know, I was there with Steve Rifkin when you blacked out on high 97. Like, I was sitting next to Steve. I was his guest.

[Jadakiss]

What's this? The high 97 shit. Summer jam.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I'm there.

[Ghostface Killah]

Summer Jam.

[Fat Joe]

I'm in the crowd. I'm a fan. I'm in the crowd with Steve Rifkin. And when they.

[Jadakiss]

I was just like, that's my first Summer Jam. And we get off stage and they come on there. They said, oh, God, they went crick.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, we popped that sherry nigga.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, we blocked the cherry while y' all flip.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, hold on. Because. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Right?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, but we went. I think we went before y'.

[Ghostface Killah]

All.

[Jadakiss]

And then it's something like that. I served y' all on the mic, calling everybody everything. Call them in the.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, bro.

[Fat Joe]

That was the worst. We dropped this cherry son. I'm like, they was black. I said no disrespect. I don't. I don't get high, bro. I am so focused at that shit with the shit you saying. I already knew. This is political suicide in the music industry. But one thing that taught me, right, because all these radio stations, they. They make you believe they are enemies. Come here. This is the new power. Yo. The mother stations is whack. It's like. But against y', all, they phone foltre. The enemies of the enemies was like, nah, nah, we ain't playing it.

[Ghostface Killah]

And they.

[Fat Joe]

They basically, the whole country was like a domino effect where they was like, yo, they violating the system. Yup.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I knew this was going to be a hard time for y'.

[Ghostface Killah]

All. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I didn't know that. Everybody. Maybe Hot 97 don't play your. But Philly does this. They all form China. I never seen them.

[Jadakiss]

Hold on, let me hit.

[Fat Joe]

The Democrats and Republicans come together. To some people up. I'm trying to tell you. I was.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah. Yo, you know, when you get on.

[Fat Joe]

One radio station, you do the other.

[Ghostface Killah]

You.

[Fat Joe]

You in Norfolk. Them. They enemies. And they formed together and said, how'd.

[Jadakiss]

Y' all fix that? You had to just wait it out.

[Ghostface Killah]

Nah.

[Jadakiss]

Cause y' all came back. I didn't really know.

[Fat Joe]

It was wild, maybe.

[Jadakiss]

Maybe I felt hot 97. I didn't know. It was like a wildfire around the country.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody.

[Jadakiss]

It was just hot laying there for a little while.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, it was. There was. It was. It was deep. It was deep. I think that was the time when it was just like, yo, y' all was up so much like, y'. All, everything. Bad boy, bad boy. And it was like, yo, we was just so down here. You know what I mean? I tried to talk to, like. Remember Tracy? Yeah. The program? Yeah. Tried to talk to her this and that and the third. She wanted to go out. She wanted to go to France and shit, man.

[Jadakiss]

France? Oh, shit.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

She tried to take it there. I thought she just wanted to go down south.

[Ghostface Killah]

Like, you know. You know.

[Jadakiss]

With the France ghost. You might have. Should have took one for the clan. You should have went to France.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yo, man, listen, bro. It ain't happened, so. So you know what I'm saying? It was just. It's just. I don't know. I just. Just had to weigh it out. I think maybe when I got to Def Jam and shit, they started like, all right, cool. Trying to mend a little bit of shit, but the rest of the clan is like, yo, we was kind of doomed. Like, then we stopped putting out music like that anyway. Like, you know, it wasn't really, like, consistent on how we had it at the top. So that's how that started, like, simmering down and. But we left Rage against the Machine. Like, we made it. That's what I was trying to tell you. We went. We had. Yo, like, who, who, who. How many of y' all think we should go ahead and do this or just stay over here with Rage, you know what I mean? If you would have stayed with Rage, I think they was saying 97 was like, they ain't gonna fuck with you no more. You know what I mean? So we still. I think majority of us just like, let's just go do this. We need these. And then that should happen. You know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

You know, I love Hot 97 and everything they ever did for me, but they used to play a lot of political games and so that you could. You gotta come up here. You gotta see E, Bro. Before anybody.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, that type.

[Fat Joe]

It was just pretty much kissing ass.

[Jadakiss]

To drive me crazy, man. I'm asking the table. Y' all can't they put it on you? That's the only. The label want to control everything. Except when is that. But, you know, this guy said, you got to come see him before you go see Cosmic Cab, all that.

[Ghostface Killah]

That. Oh, my God. You know what I mean? But, you know, that's the business, man. That's. That's the business.

[Fat Joe]

They say you gotta go.

[Jadakiss]

Supreme clientele, too.

[Ghostface Killah]

You gotta go right now.

[Fat Joe]

Make sure you gotta go. They see your people.

[Jadakiss]

Hold on. We gonna place some testing us like.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, we gotta go.

[Jadakiss]

He don't want to hold on before.

[Fat Joe]

We got more to talk about.

[Jadakiss]

We get play one. I'm not letting go.

[Fat Joe]

Put the chains on. We got ghost, yo, we playing forth the site. Let him go.

[Jadakiss]

We playing forth the site.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yes. Whatever. Yeah, let's go in.

[Fat Joe]

Come on, let's go. Let's go in.

[Jadakiss]

Fourth disciple in Georgia.

[Fat Joe]

Georgia.

[Ghostface Killah]

See that? Fourth was like 15, 16 years old too.

[Jadakiss]

Pull that back.

[Fourth Disciple]

Pull it back.

[Jadakiss]

I know where it starts.

[Fourth Disciple]

Blood running from his mouth his eyes got low he scrolls my my hand.

[Jadakiss]

Pull it back again.

[Fat Joe]

Turn it up.

[Fourth Disciple]

Just came home from doing 12 in the slip Blood running from his mouth his eyes got low he squirrels my hand real tight Then he let go Nice. Don't start that. We been the worst shootouts in this and we got hit. Yo, talk. Look, wake up. It's me and Star. We going to get up and walk. I'm a tie across. Tomorrow night we got a flight to catch. Some little guardia. My wiz made that fish you like fries and lapia. Stop playing. You hear your daughter talking. Remember her first steps when she started walking? You think she want to see you fitted in the coffin? You touch my yo, yo. Get the up off him. My ain't like y' all now. Y' all huddled around like a bunch of bitches. Your mouth. Call his wiz. Notify his moms, not forget it. She already lost two sons. Come on, Lord. I place my head on his chest just to hear him breathe or say something under his breath I wipe the blood from his mouth before my eyes I seen gloves of this black come out saying to myself shit don't look too good Another black man lost in the hood. No cigar, huh? I gave him cpr. He was disconnected from life like a vcr. God damn it, I can't stand it. I'm rocking back and forth like a hammock Somewhat I feel that he left the planet I'm into now but it's clear to me like fire and I don't know how to fix my lips and say goodbye yo, come on, Charge. Wake up.

[Jadakiss]

Hard. That is.

[Fat Joe]

My, my day.

[Ghostface Killah]

You said that you my thing like six like bad man.

[Jadakiss]

That's crazy angry on him. I gotta play that in the gym.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Let's go, Georgie.

[Jadakiss]

Man's over James.

[Ghostface Killah]

There you go.

[Fat Joe]

That one, Joe.

[Fourth Disciple]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

This, that, this hook okay.

[Ghostface Killah]

About let's.

[Fat Joe]

The old school harmonizer we used to rob left and right A.

[Fourth Disciple]

Fiend try to get slick with slap and crush they pipes strong on robberies all done in harmony Raise my weapon and then bow hit an artery Race to the staircase, shoot out the lights and let off a few shells at.

[Fat Joe]

The door on the right they got.

[Fourth Disciple]

Dust we have to pound of E under the couch a shotgun, 12 keys bow another shot in the door flew open Mega snow on the table of F is still smoking she ruled out of respect through four in his chest hurt some in the back with a rude dialect screaming cruise direct, you can lose that blood clot Bigger fools die away that's when I heard him Load them guns in the back room Turned on the vacuum maybe I'll distract them. Got him gathered all of the babies in the bathroom Take your little Cheetos I'll be back soon I knew the dread that cut off his hair Wore a half moon, four go teeth Caught a body in Cancun droppers like Equinox up in the spot I'm talking about waste that's normal TVs and class. But hold on, one came out running.

[Fat Joe]

Got it jumping. I dip behind the wall, squeeze and.

[Fourth Disciple]

Start dumping Never little crash dummy, he was bluffing.

[Fat Joe]

Almost got his head ripped off.

[Fourth Disciple]

Straight for nothing of course Heard the.

[Fat Joe]

Chainsaw like I was the main cause they was ordered to other each eat my food.

[Fourth Disciple]

Caught by the main boss. A hail of bullets, a rain of terror Pictures hanging off the wall can't put them back together. Curtains and Clorox bottles hose forever. The ball's furniture was damaged the cream leather. I'm good for compensation. Yeah, we good for that.

[Fat Joe]

I guess I don't have patience.

[Ghostface Killah]

Not no more.

[Fourth Disciple]

I ain't got that type of no more. Let's go. Yes, I can get dramatic facts.

[Fat Joe]

I'll put that bone so.

[Fourth Disciple]

Nah, you know what it is you wanna learn? I will mold you. I'll mold you in the street will fold. You better stay in your lane. Right there, Right there. Let's go.

[Fat Joe]

Y'. All. Needed one more verse on this, guys. I needed another. This is stupid right here, man. Yo, that hook is crazy beat.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, baby.

[Jadakiss]

Supreme clientele too. Make sure you get it on all platforms, wherever you get your music. Stop listening to that and listen to some real.

[Fat Joe]

This ain't that.

[Jadakiss]

That ain't this.

[Fat Joe]

It's cracking.

[Jadakiss]

Kiss Ghost Face and Kiss today.

[Ghostface Killah]

Yeah, no doubt.

[Jadakiss]

Make some noise for Tony Stark.

[Fourth Disciple]

Gotta kill in that box.

[Fat Joe]

Who tank forever who tame for the kids.

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[Dr. Joy Harden Bradford]

I'm Dr. Joy Harden Bradford, host of the Therapy for Black Girls podcast. I know how overwhelming it can feel if flying makes you anxious. In session 418 of the Therapy for Black Girls podcast, Dr. Angela Neal Barnett and I discuss flight anxiety.

[Fat Joe]

What is not normal is to allow it to prevent you from doing the things that you want to do, the things that you were meant to do.

[Dr. Joy Harden Bradford]

Listen to Therapy for Black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Fat Joe]

I'm Bob Crawford, host of American History Hotline, a different type of podcast. You, the listener, ask the questions.

[Ghostface Killah]

Did George Washington really cut down a cherry tree?

[Fat Joe]

Were JFK and Marilyn Monroe having an affair? And I find the answers. I'm so glad you asked me this question.

[Dr. Joy Harden Bradford]

This is such a ridiculous story.

[Fat Joe]

You can listen to American History Hotline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.