Joakim Noah talks Bulls & Derrick Rose NBA MVP prime, Knicks & LeBron's future

Summary

Joe and Jada Podcast: Joakim Noah Talks Bulls, D-Rose, Knicks, and LeBron's Future

Host: Fat Joe & Jadakiss
Guest: Joakim Noah (with appearances from Butter)
Release Date: November 27, 2025
Podcast: Joe and Jada by iHeartPodcasts and The Volume
Episode Theme:
This episode dives deep into the intersection of basketball culture and hip-hop as Fat Joe and Jadakiss welcome NBA All-Star Joakim Noah. They reminisce about streetball in New York, the legendary Chicago Bulls run with Derrick Rose, discuss the realities of NBA life, examine the evolution of the game, the DNA of the Knicks, and debate the future of LeBron James. The conversation is vibrant, raw, and full of inside stories, laughter, and wisdom, all in the hosts' unmistakable New York energy.

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Table of Contents

• Joakim Noah’s NYC Roots & Hip-Hop Influence
• The Glory Days at Florida & College Camaraderie
• Streetball, Rucker Park Legends & NBA Crossover
• The Evolution of the Big Man and Today's NBA
• Growing Up: Family, Discipline, and Inspiration
• Memories from the Chicago Bulls & The Derrick Rose Era
• NBA Life: Injuries, Knicks Tenure, and Adjusting Post-Career
• Knicks DNA, Homegrown Talent, and New York Basketball Culture
• Debates: MJ vs. Today, European Players, LeBron’s Future
• Butter Joins: Community, Advice for Young Players & Streetball Stories
• Joakim’s New Travel Show: "Nomad"
• Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
• Episode Timestamps

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Joakim Noah’s NYC Roots & Hip-Hop Influence <a name="nyc-hiphop"></a>

• Joakim moved from France to New York City in 1998, absorbing the city’s unique hip-hop and basketball culture.
• Hip-hop and streetball were deeply intertwined in NYC, shaping him on and off the court.
• Reminisced about Fat Joe’s presence at Rucker Park and how streetball tournaments prepared him for the next level.
• [07:09] Joakim: “If I didn’t have New York City, if I didn’t have the hip hop… the street ball and the hip hop are so connected. And you don’t see that anywhere else like that.”

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The Glory Days at Florida & College Camaraderie <a name="florida-glory"></a>

• Discussed Florida’s historic back-to-back NCAA championships.
• The team chose camaraderie and “just having a blast” over heading straight to the NBA for money.
• [16:49] Joakim: “When you have good chemistry on that court, you can’t take that for granted. You might never have that again… You got to treat your people right and take care and protect that, because that is fragile.”

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Streetball, Rucker Park Legends & NBA Crossover <a name="rucker-legends"></a>

• Vivid stories of Rucker Park, Dykman, Kingdome, and NYC streetball.
• The energy and pressure of streetball “made NBA games feel easy” for some, and “shook” others.
• NBA stars (Marbury, Artest, Baron Davis) played for free just for the love—while some NBA all-stars faltered under Rucker Park’s unique chaos.
• [28:21] Joakim: “I came to Harlem… I’m playing Dyckman. I’m playing at the Rucker. I’m playing at Kingdome… after that summer went back to Chicago, I came back a fucking different. It was a different animal.”

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The Evolution of the Big Man and Today's NBA <a name="modern-nba"></a>

• Marvel at Victor Wembanyama’s unprecedented versatility as a 7-footer crossing people up and dunking.

• Old-school big men nostalgia: Fat Joe laments the lack of post play, emphasizing the need for specialization and grit.

• Joakim credits Brad Miller with changing his career—coaching him on handoffs and passing from the elbow at the Bulls.

• [22:57] Fat Joe: “What the fuck is wrong with Wimba Yamba? I seen him cross a dude four times... It’s everything we know about basketball or we think we know—gone."

• [50:11] Joakim: “Catch the ball at the elbow, dribble handoff. If he’s overplaying it, throw the back door pass… two simple things that changed my whole shit."

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Growing Up: Family, Discipline, and Inspiration <a name="upbringing-inspo"></a>

• Joakim comes from a lineage of athletes: Cameroonian soccer-playing grandfather, Hall of Fame tennis champion father, Yannick Noah.
• He credits discipline, daily early morning runs, and the example his family set for his resilience and professional mindset.
• [42:39] Joakim: “Third generation athlete. My grandfather was a soccer player from Cameroon. My pops is a Hall of Fame tennis player… Only African player to ever win a Grand Slam.”

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Memories from the Chicago Bulls & The Derrick Rose Era <a name="bulls-rose"></a>

• Describes the chemistry and energy of the young Bulls core: Rose, early Jimmy Butler, Deng, Boozer, Heinrich.
• The heartbreak of Derrick Rose’s career-altering injury—Noah makes clear they believed they were championship-bound.
• Deep admiration for Rose’s humility and the way he inspired Chicago’s youth.
• [75:11] Joakim: “When Derrick Rose was in his prime, when he stepped onto the court… you felt like you had a chance you could win… When the injury happened, it was like somebody died, bro.”

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NBA Life: Injuries, Knicks Tenure, and Adjusting Post-Career <a name="nba-life"></a>

• Noah’s struggles with injuries, mental state, and dealing with New York’s nightlife alongside a coach who didn’t support him (Jeff Hornacek, “Corny Horny”), leading to Knicks fallout.
• The pressure of NBA salaries being public and unwanted attention in the city.
• Transitioning to life after basketball: loss of the "gladiator" feeling, reinvention, and seeking fulfillment beyond fame.
• [59:52] Joakim: “Now this is the first time in my life where I got a lot of money. I’m young, but I don’t have a job. So I’m like, yo, if I stay in New York City right now, it’s a rap.”
• [81:28] Joakim: “You’re playing in front of 20,000 people… then all of a sudden, when it’s done, it’s like you don’t get that no more. Ever. You’re not the gladiator anymore…”

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Knicks DNA, Homegrown Talent, and New York Basketball Culture <a name="knicks-dna"></a>

• Discuss how the Knicks now (credit to Leon Rose & William Wesley) hold on to homegrown talent, changing a painful history of trading away star players.
• Noah points out that the Knicks used to avoid players who were “too close to home,” worried about the city’s distractions—a mentality changing under the new regime.
• [64:25] Joakim: “It’s a real thing. They didn’t want those guys, because they’re from the city. ‘They too close to home.’”

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Debates: MJ vs. Today, European Players, LeBron’s Future <a name="nba-debates"></a>

• Fat Joe notes the younger generation sometimes dismisses Michael Jordan’s greatness, claiming he played mainly "white boys”—they counter by talking about the dominance of current European players like Jokic and Luka.
• The hosts debate the meaning of "real white" players—distinguishing between "American" whites and "Serbian," "Croatian" type toughness.
• Heated debate: Fat Joe insists LeBron might be on the Lakers’ trading block due to new blood performing (Reeves, etc.), Jada and Joakim think that’s wild and LeBron is untouchable.
• Memorable extended riff on NBA’s lack of loyalty, parallels to Fat Joe’s own music industry struggles.
• [96:05] Fat Joe: “My MVP for the next four to five years is Wemba Yamba. If he don’t get hurt—it’s a rap. It’s his league.”
• [110:02] Jada: “When it’s your time, it’s the NBA. And then there’s LeBron. Have you been watching?”

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Butter Joins: Community, Advice for Young Players & Streetball Stories <a name="butter-segment"></a>

• Butter, a Harlem streetball legend, drops insight on the transition from playground fame to structured environments ("NBA is different").
• Advice for kids: focus less on noise, more on accountability and listening; "Don’t get lost in the sauce."
• Emotional stories about Rucker Park talent—who made it, who didn’t, and why.
• [118:17] Butter: “Continue to learn. Be more of a listener… When you start to be accountable, you’ll grow.”

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Joakim’s New Travel Show: "Nomad" <a name="nomad-show"></a>

• Joakim reveals his travel series, Nomad, where he explores the world’s basketball cultures and connects with local heroes.
• Filming in Chicago, Morocco, Jamaica, featuring interviews and highlighting diasporic connections and community uplift.
• Will air on YouTube via NBA Take Two.
• [85:36] Joakim: "The show is Nomad. I'm working with a media company called NBA Take Two… We started in Chicago, then we went to Morocco… I'm hype as hell. I get to travel."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments <a name="quotes"></a>

• Joakim Noah (About Florida): "We said the bread could wait because we were having a blast out here. No social media, we was up." [16:49]
• Fat Joe (About Rucker Park): "That casket gotta go through the rucker." [08:23]
• On Derrick Rose: "When he got hurt, it was like we didn't have a shot anymore. Even talking about it now, it still hurts." – Joakim Noah [75:42]
• On NBA Transition: “You're not the gladiator anymore… I had to change my whole mindset.” – Joakim Noah [81:28]
• On LeBron’s Future Debate: “If it's something the NBA has taught you, it is zero to no loyalty.” – Fat Joe [110:02]
• On Playoff MVPs: "My MVP for the next four to five years is called Wemba Yamba. If Wemba Yama doesn’t get hurt, it’s a rap." – Fat Joe [96:05]

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Episode Timestamps <a name="timestamps"></a>

• 03:28 — Joakim joins: Streetball/hometown memories
• 15:20 — NCAA Championships & returning for camaraderie
• 22:10 — Ahead-of-his-time play, Wembanyama discussion
• 28:21 — Streetball summers, prepping for the league
• 39:12 — Early basketball inspirations, family background
• 46:34 — Reflections on Tim Duncan, Bulls lineup
• 75:11 — The Derrick Rose era & biggest “what if”
• 81:28 — Life after the NBA
• 85:11 — Announcement of “Nomad” travel series
• 96:05 — Wembanyama MVP prediction discussion
• 105:45 — DJ Khaled's work ethic and LeBron’s future
• 117:03 — Butter on youth, listening, and accountability
• 124:52 — Stories of playground-to-pros, who made it/why
• 126:19 — Salute to Greg Marius and streetball community

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Closing Thoughts

“Joe and Jada” delivers another high-energy, unfiltered session where basketball, hip-hop, and real talk collide. Joakim Noah’s authenticity and humor, Fat Joe and Jadakiss’s chemistry, and Butter’s street wisdom create a must-listen for anyone who loves the stories and culture behind the game.

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[Joaquin Noah]

You know we said the bread could wait, cuz we having a blast out here. No social media. We was up, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, what up, y'? All? This is Joe. Crack the diggity. Dawn Diglett. Don't play yourself.

[Jada]

It's your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary, Every show iconic. I mean, this particular episode is gonna be one of my favorites because I love sports, you know what I mean? And when you think about our next guest, think about being a part of arguably one of the best college basketball teams in history. When you think about my next guest, you think of the old NBA. You think of tough defense. You think of a center that could stick all other four positions on the floor. You think of just toughness, New York grit. Think of a good person coming from a good family, a good father, good human being. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our brother, Joaquin Noah, man.

[Joaquin Noah]

It's an honor. It's an honor.

[Jada]

My brother. No doubt. You know what it is?

[Joaquin Noah]

It's an honor, man. Honor to be here.

[Jada]

We appreciate having you. I know. My man, the Phil Jackson of the ruckus over here. He couldn't wait to have you up here, you know what I mean? You can't tell him nothing. He's the Greg Popovich of the street ball.

[Joaquin Noah]

That's right.

[Fat Joe]

You know, let me explain something to you, man. They asked me.

[Jada]

Now he got his is mixed with Marlon Brando. Now when you.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, what you want? Nah, I don't mean no. I don't mean no shit like that. What I'm just trying to say is just now people are starting to say, yo, y' all got too many guests on the show. What happened to just Joe and Jada? But what you do. When legendary guys like this pull up and they available, we gonna put them on the jones.

[Jada]

First things first. Anybody that's somebody that come to the city, you know where they coming Here. That's it.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, Jayda, I like that shit.

[Joaquin Noah]

Anybody that come to the city, I took the plane. I took the plane to come and be on the show.

[Jada]

They ain't flying into y' all shows.

[Fat Joe]

Take the plane.

[Jada]

He slew in.

[Fat Joe]

They talking. Cam and J. Cole, I know you a fan of hip hop.

[Jada]

What's your thought? This is the first show I walk off.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, why you want to walk off, kids?

[Jada]

I want to get into this shit, man.

[Fat Joe]

You don't want.

[Jada]

Go ahead. You can, though.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not getting this shit. I'm asking you. It's your hip hop show. What you think about this? What they saying online? Who's better? Cam, J. Cole, whatever the case may be.

[Joaquin Noah]

So for me, I moved to New York City from France in 98. To me, new York City hip hop around that time, this shaped my life, you know what I mean? Like, I come to New York City, I'm talking English like this, with the accent and stuff, all Frenchy. But then Tony Parker, you know what I'm saying? Some Tony Parker. And then I get to New York City and the hip hop is just going nuts. Like, I'm coming from France. And then all of a sudden, I. I kissed ass. I bet the hood won't miss you ass you.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, I'm like, oh, the. Is this.

[Joaquin Noah]

So I had to learn along the way, you know what I'm saying? But that was, you know, I love basketball. Next thing you know, I'm going, I'm going uptown. I'm playing basketball with the guys. And New York, like, it shaped me. It shaped me. If I didn't have New York City, if I didn't have the hip hop, because the street ball and the hip hop are so connected. And you don't see that anywhere else like that. Like, Joe, like, I remember you pulling up at the Rucker, you know what I mean? You got all your guys with you. We playing you in the chip. We lost in the chip. I missed a couple free throws at the end ot. But I had a question for you about that because this shit fucked me up. Because they caused some real bullshit on me. So did you. Did you pay the ref?

[Jada]

Definitely butted up.

[Joaquin Noah]

Somebody I. I need to know. Cause this is. This was what, like, 20 years ago?

[Fat Joe]

Everything I earned was legit.

[Joaquin Noah]

Okay?

[Fat Joe]

You know what they did to me? I won. I Just everything I earned was legit, you know, with me, we won five chips in a boat. On the sixth one, we got robbed. And so we was up like 8 points with like 12 seconds. And they kept calling 5, 5. And the other team, just the crowd been waiting to see me lose. You know how people hated Kobe and all this. But when he passed away, you realized, yo, we lost a treasure. It was like we were winning so much, so we had fans who just wanted us to lose. And when we lost and we walking out the park, they barely even celebrated. It was like, not like this. So I know what you felt like, but we didn't. I left because I was getting disrespected at the worker. I would have stood for 20 years, but they start doing shit. Yo, only two people could come in this, this. I'm like, yo, I don't know if they know we getting this park lit. Know what I'm saying? But they robbed me the one. The one year I lost, and we came back, the next year we blew them out. Pause in the championship, you know, And I got on the mic, I got real nasty with him because, you know, that coaching really was my life. You know, I tell everybody when I die, that casket gotta go through the rucker. You know what I'm saying? You know how it goes through your neighborhood. Because I had some of the greatest years of my life. But you didn't answer the question. J. Cole and Cameron, you just saying New York shaped your life.

[Joaquin Noah]

I mean, killer, man. This is.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, this is crazy.

[Joaquin Noah]

I mean, it's like Big Pun. I remember, I come to New York, I'm listening to. And I know you from where? Elementary school. I'm like, oh, shit, yo, this is different. Different.

[Fat Joe]

It's a different area. You know, our kids, the youth, they're being very disrespectful. And they like, fuck you, you old motherfuckers. And I had some of my nephews style on me with clothes I wore in videos and Flo Jo. They was like, yo, this the new shit. We got the fly. I see. Yo, bro, we wore that shit in 94, 95. The other day, I'm looking at Joey Badass, who is a friend who I got super love for. But he's sitting at the Nick game courtside. He got the tretch hat on, so they bringing back all the old. But the youth might look at that and be like, yo, this Joey Badass wearing this of a lifetime. That is crazy. But, yo, guys like, this is all recycled. And so Jada, my business partner, Is telling me to mind my business with that right there.

[Jada]

No, I'm not who I use. Feel free to.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah.

[Jada]

I'm telling you, I'm minding my business, okay?

[Fat Joe]

Why are you minding your business?

[Jada]

We gotta get involved in it. You think if you say lawsuit, that turned into some Internet shit and we don't even know what's going on?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, the lawsuit shit was kind of like, come on, man. I don't know what's going on in 20, 25.

[Jada]

Let's talk about this. We coming to work today. I try to stop, support my brother. You know what I mean? I go to all of the locations. 3rd Ave. 207. I stopped there to get some Timberlands for work. I go and see my man Serge Wilson. He gave me one eight and a half and one ten and a half. What is this.

[Fat Joe]

A store you could trust?

[Jada]

He sold me one ten and a half a bread.

[Fat Joe]

You could trust. Yo, Jada. Come on now. Yo, Jada. This is global. People coming in from all across the world are up. NYC. Don't embarrass us. Everything. They gave you a 10 and a half and eight. That's the oldest trick in the book. They had to meet a quota. I must have said, yo, I need you to sell 10 pairs of Tims today. And they gave it to Jada.

[Jada]

Shopping etiquette. My etiquette is so up when the display is 11 and a half and up, they don't got my size. Now Will goes downstairs. He's taking too long.

[Fat Joe]

Me, Will might have.

[Jada]

He come back up. The box is a little bit old, you know.

[Fat Joe]

We got it.

[Jada]

Cash out.

[Fat Joe]

I give my yo my good job, man. You made the quota.

[Jada]

10 and a half, 18 and a half.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Kiss.

[Jada]

NYC.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't gonna lie to you, yo. I ain't gonna lie to you, Kiss. That's legendary. That's a legendary story.

[Jada]

He got the most sizes.

[Fat Joe]

Talk to me.

[Jada]

The best everything. We answered the phone on his.

[Fat Joe]

The wire hit, baby.

[Jada]

That's a money call.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jada]

Don't throw the flag.

[Fat Joe]

The W. It's a big one. Kiss.

[Jada]

Why?

[Fat Joe]

It's the big one. Biggest in my life. All right. All right. Tren. I'm on. I'm on the podcast. No wire hits.

[Joaquin Noah]

What kind of side deals you got?

[Fat Joe]

No side deals. It's just God bless America right now. That's the. That's. I've been waiting for that, you know? It's so hard, man. It's so much. It's almost like weight, right? It's so hard to Lose weight. It's so easy to gain. It's so hard to make money, but so easy to spend. This shit, you know, we just got. Let's not talk about no money no more. Listen, you fucking with my store. UP nyc, how we treat you? What's the service in UP nyc, How do we get it?

[Jada]

I won't say my percentage off, but I get. I get treated well. They treat me at home. I go in the back, use the bathroom.

[Fat Joe]

He just. Wilson fucked you with the ten and a half and the eight and a half. Yo, that's the oldest.

[Jada]

I think they line me up because Serge telling me I do party in Florida. Yo, listen over here talking to Serge. Wilson did the old kiss.

[Fat Joe]

I gotta be honest with you. Kiss. I'm not gonna lie to you. I think you've been lined up. I'm gonna be. They lined you up. Had to sell a pair of boots. He gave the kiss. Let me tell you something. We used to get it like that in Jewman. There was a store, not being offensive to nobody. Simpson street, it was a store called Jewman in the Bronx that had all the fly. Them was the king of giving you a size eight and a half and a 12, like. And once you leave, they be like, we out. So you got to pick something else.

[Jada]

Of robbing you a few stops down on the train after you buy all your snorkels. All of that you got.

[Fat Joe]

I grew up. I would have never owned the store if it wasn't for Rose, Teddy, Sheldon, all those guys, they taught us the retail business. Simon passed away. Melvin passed away. I'll tell you one thing. I was the only guy they would say, joe, when I open the door, you run that way as fast as possible. You see the four guys across the street? They're gonna rob you. So I used to get my sneakers and have to run, like, book it, run up to the train. Because I knew graffiti. I knew how to, like, jump off the train. So if you follow me in the train and, you know, we stuck in the train, I know how in between the train to jump off and then run back down and get the up out of there. So that was my. The train. But, yo, Jew man was legendary. But they. They got that from there. I'm sorry about that, brother.

[Jada]

He got that.

[Fat Joe]

We will replace these.

[Joaquin Noah]

These.

[Fat Joe]

These boots right here. As soon as you. You blink, brother. Don't worry about it. I got you.

[Jada]

And we got my brother here. You got to tell me about them back there. It's hard to win one chip in anything but they get two NCAA chips back to back. Tell us a little bit about that. Tell us. Shout out to that whole team. Yeah. Shout out to Coach Billy Donovan. Shout out to everybody that was involved in that. Let me hear a little something.

[Joaquin Noah]

Hall of Fame coach. Coach Donovan just got in the holiday.

[Jada]

Yep. There with AI. So I was able to be in the building and Speech.

[Joaquin Noah]

It was dope. Super dope. Shout out. My man Brusky. Al. Horford, Green, Christopher. We had a. We had a squad, man. And after we win the chip, you know, they was like, it's time to.

[Butter]

Go to the league.

[Joaquin Noah]

But we was having so much fun, you know, that we. We came back again.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy.

[Joaquin Noah]

There's not a lot of guys would say no to the.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, no.

[Joaquin Noah]

There was no. No ni.

[Jada]

Electively, though. We collect, all come back. Yeah. That was fire.

[Fat Joe]

No.

[Joaquin Noah]

So, you know, no bread on the table. Just going out there and just handling the business. These are my best friends, you know what I mean? So I remember even going to the league. It wasn't like guys weren't even happy to go to the league. We was having so much fun.

[Jada]

He was missing that camaraderie of that.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah. Like, that's the shit about basketball. It's like the chemistry. Everybody want to talk about stats and the top guy in this, but when you have good chemistry on that court, you can't take that for granted. You might never have that again.

[Fat Joe]

Oof.

[Joaquin Noah]

You know what I'm saying? So. And that goes for everything. That's not just basketball. That's just life. You know what I'm saying? You got to treat your people right and take care and protect that, because that is fragile. You know what I'm saying? So. I cherish those times, man. I'm proud. I'm proud. The fact that, you know, we said the bread. The bread could wait because we having a blast out here. No social media. We was up.

[Fat Joe]

You said that y' all didn't go to the same school with Aaron Hernandez, right?

[Joaquin Noah]

We did.

[Jada]

It did.

[Fat Joe]

Man, that boy was busting his hammer out there on the complex.

[Jada]

He was going crazy.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Aaron Hernandez. You know him?

[Joaquin Noah]

He was in the same dorm. Same dorm.

[Jada]

You're lucky I never stepped on his camera.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Kiss. Hold up. Kiss.

[Joaquin Noah]

Oh.

[Jada]

Oh.

[Fat Joe]

So you in the same place with Aaron Hernandez?

[Joaquin Noah]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

Did you know he was bugged out like that?

[Jada]

Nobody.

[Joaquin Noah]

Not like that. Not like that. When I saw it, I was like.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, he said he killed the. On the camp.

[Jada]

Got him in the eye.

[Joaquin Noah]

Now, y' all we can't. It's a sad story, man.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, I got. I got my man John Beeson. What. What's John Peace's stats, Rich? John Beeson was on every all star team. Everything on the Giants. Probably the greatest player of uwam. This. He told me Aaron Hernandez would be on the line. You know, when they be on the line, he'd be like, nigga, I kill you. N. And the. You know, football's like, we watch every week for, like, the hits that. This. He told me Aaron Hernandez used to tell them, like, yo, I will body you if you come around. Like. And everybody shut the up. Like, he was the silent majority. Listen, kiss. That dude was talking to them where they was like, they didn't know, but they knew because the way he was saying. He was saying, like, he was saying, yo, bro, you know. Yeah, this year, I shoot, your mom's like, what. Everybody was like, she's like, he was on one legend, but at that time, he was just fun. We shot a nigga in the eye at school.

[Joaquin Noah]

The shit that's fucked up is like, you. We talk a lot about Aaron Hernandez, but there was a lot of really good brothers out there. Like, they won a chip, too. So we won. Then the football team won, and then we won again.

[Jada]

School lit.

[Joaquin Noah]

So school is on fucking fire.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, nah, it's on fake.

[Joaquin Noah]

On fire. But it's a sad story. There were other killers on that team, too. But that's. That's another story.

[Fat Joe]

That's another story.

[Joaquin Noah]

No, that's not a great brothers.

[Fat Joe]

Tell me about the guy who shot the place over there by the Bojangles. And let me tell you something. Y' all had some bugged out on your. That I never forget Aaron Hernandez.

[Jada]

Yo, leave him alone.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. Well, hold up. Let's see. I remember Aaron Hernandez. They walked him out of that mansion. I never forget how he spit on the floor. I said, oh, he did this shit. You see how they brought him out? He said, almost like when Cosby was walking out of court and he went. Remember when Bill Cosby was walking.

[Jada]

Leave him alone.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, you remember when Bill Cosby walked out the court and said, That's what Aaron Hernandez. They walked him off a double murder.

[Jada]

Aaron Hernandez came out, was like, bill Cosby do that? What was that?

[Fat Joe]

Cuz? Them is crazy is what I'm trying to tell you. Aaron Hernandez has a legendary spit. He walks out of the mansion, they walking him out for murder. He's like. I said, oh, he did the Bill Cosby. Bill Cosby walked Bill Bill might have got that from Aaron Hernandez.

[Jada]

Bill didn't do a spit. Bill just did it.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, we gotta start that. Legendary perp walks. Scott's crazy, yo. Legendary perp walks. But sit. Yeah. You knew Aaron Hernandez then. This the one that got a hundred flags. Now they get they. This is gonna be a flag show.

[Joaquin Noah]

We talk about championships. You want to talk about Aaron Hernandez?

[Fat Joe]

No, because hit me like I was just talking to you and I said, oh, it's the same school. Same school where Aaron allegedly Yayo went there.

[Joaquin Noah]

Who?

[Fat Joe]

Tony Yayo.

[Jada]

Brian that used to work with us. He was there.

[Fat Joe]

He was in that school with all of them. Nah, that must have been a time. You know, me and you, we're more like sitting buddies. I don't know if you call that me and you. Many games at the Rucker in Uptown. We sat next to each other in the bleachers and analyzed the game. What are you talking about, man?

[Jada]

Sick buddies is a sick. That was a sick one.

[Fat Joe]

Don't fly.

[Jada]

I'm not even. I'm not even gonna throw a flat. I'm gonna hold my flag.

[Joaquin Noah]

That's crazy.

[Jada]

I need something.

[Fat Joe]

Me and you watch many games up at the Rucker.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

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[Fat Joe]

And, and. And Dykeman and all that. And a Butter loves you.

[Jada]

Shout out to a butter.

[Fat Joe]

He's on his way.

[Joaquin Noah]

He's on his way.

[Jada]

Shout out to butter.

[Joaquin Noah]

Shout out to a whole lot of game. He just got his book out too. Whole lot of game. Go check it out. One of my brothers, he used to get pissed at me in the street ball tournaments when I used to get the defensive rebound. I used to bring that up myself.

[Fat Joe]

What the you doing? You doing man, Just give the ball.

[Joaquin Noah]

To the point guard. I used to, you know, I used to like just bringing that up myself. That used to stress him out.

[Fat Joe]

That was ahead of the time. He was ahead of your time. But let me ask you something now that you saying that this Wimba Yamba. Holy. What the is wrong with Wimba Yamba? I seen him cross a dude four times. Coming. Crossing him to death. Seven. What? What? What?

[Jada]

What?

[Fat Joe]

What? Coming up. I like a point.

[Jada]

Like.

[Fat Joe]

Like is this normal?

[Joaquin Noah]

No, I never seen no like this.

[Jada]

He was working with. He did some hell of an off season work.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, kids, you want to go see.

[Jada]

The Monk kids, the Monks?

[Fat Joe]

We gotta keep it a buck kiss.

[Jada]

I'm telling you, he's doing some shit nobody never did.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, but he's seven.

[Joaquin Noah]

One, seven, seven.

[Jada]

He grew two inches this summer. He grew.

[Fat Joe]

Jada, the man come down I'm talking about this one play. I want y' all to really Google this. He takes it out. The defensive dude picks him up all the way. He crossed them four times, went through the. And dunked backwards. Like, this is like. It's everything we know about basketball or we think we know.

[Joaquin Noah]

Right.

[Fat Joe]

Because you're a huge basketball fan. I am. He played the game. I have never seen this sort of thing. Like, this is crazy for seven. Seven.

[Jada]

A little bit of gripe with the new way of basketball. Like, the stretch.

[Fat Joe]

I do, too.

[Jada]

I like the big. I like the old uses of the big man.

[Fat Joe]

Bumping bodies, pause, go down on the block. That's me. I mean, I can't do it the way I coach. Okay? The way I coach is I will embarrass you, yo. Because I want it. All I want to do is win. So if you're a dude that you want to do, I will call timeout and I will, in front of the whole crowd, stand on the spot and say, here, this is where I want you. Here. And pass him the ball. Right here. He's a big man. I want him to score. He don't do it, I call a timeout again. I walk right in the spot in front of the whole fucking park. I want it here. Here. Like, I'm not playing. I'm not. I'm not like. Like Coach Mike Brown. I sat next to him. God bless him. He's a great coach. But I'm not cool with. Hey, buddy. Thanks for the. Like, he's too cool. Hey, Mike, do you. I'm not. That's not what I do. I'm Bobby Knight of the coach. And you gonna. You're a big guy. You are not finessing your way out of here. You're gonna have to bump and grind, pause and go to the. I can't do that. I cannot. Everybody gotta play their position and do what they gotta do. And I don't care about. You know, because the one thing I noticed about coaching is you could be the most athletic person in the world, but you could be dumb as you need to. Dumb.

[Jada]

You need an iq, bro.

[Joaquin Noah]

Who was the big guy on your team? Joe? Rest in peace. Panda.

[Fat Joe]

Should have been in that's finished breakfast.

[Jada]

He used to dominate them.

[Fat Joe]

He broke my heart. He came and he played for Jay Z. Shout out to the Rock. He broke the strict.

[Jada]

Oh, they swiped through.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. They try to get Kareem Reed, too. They gave Kareem a duffel bag of. And he stood with the BX. And we still brothers. To 20 years later, I go like this. Look at Strict. Finish your breakfast. About me. It's about Terror Squad, Fat Joe, Finish your breakfast. This, this, that. That's what that Strict line is about. That dude went, and I love Strict. Every time I pass this. So when I come from Jersey. When I come from Jersey, Strict used to live in them tall buildings on 181st. That's over the highway. Every day I come down here to Manhattan. I think of Shrek every day of my life. He was so talented, and he was like. What was he like, Sabonis? Who's the guy who used to pass bonus?

[Joaquin Noah]

He did have.

[Fat Joe]

He did the pop Bonus, Arvidus.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Joaquin Noah]

You know what I used to love about Stricto? I remember coming to my first time in the park, I'm like, holy shit. We had Kingdome. You know, one of those nights when it's just fucking lip nutcrackers. Everybody's nutcrackers. Everybody's smoking blunts. I'm like, what the fuck is this? Strict gets the ball. He takes it to the rack.

[Fat Joe]

He misses.

[Joaquin Noah]

He runs in the fucking crowd. He drinks. He takes somebody's nutcracker. He drinking the Nutcracker, everybody. Yeah, you. I'm like, oh, this is a whole different. This was like. It was basketball, but the entertainment.

[Fat Joe]

It's addiction. It was an addiction.

[Joaquin Noah]

No, this. This changed my life, bro. I'm from France.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I see this shit.

[Joaquin Noah]

And then I get to. So my first year at Florida, hardwood.

[Fat Joe]

Floor with this shit.

[Jada]

I'm gonna hear this. What do you say? Your first thing?

[Joaquin Noah]

Nah, it was like. So my first year of Florida, I didn't play. I was playing behind. Al Horford was playing ahead of me. David Lee was playing ahead of me. So everybody talking about, yeah, yes, Joaquim. You gotta transfer every. Just noise. A lot of noise. So I'm like, you know what? I need to play. I haven't played all year. So I came to Harlem, and I'm playing in all the fucking tournaments that same. So I'm playing Dyckman. I'm playing at the Rucker. I'm playing at Kingdome. Voice of Harlem. On the mic, I'm like, you know, you got Kenny at Dyckman. I'm like, yo, okay. After that summer went back to Chicago, I came back a fucking different. It was a different animal.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Cause they ain't have that. I brought a lot of NBA players, and I won't mention there was two or three that just, you know, who I brought. And I'm not disrespecting. Because I'm a huge fan. But I bought homeboy Jason Richardson after he won the slam dunk. And he wasn't the same guy in the streets that he was in that Madison Square Garden you couldn't get. He was just intimidated. He never came with that shit out there. You thought this one, he was Mr. Highlight. After Vince Carter, he was the next guy dunking on dudes, jumping over cars. We brought him out there two times and it was like I got NBA players that I had to give them the pep talk, smack them in the back of their neck and be like, come on guy, you're an all star. Like straighten up like, you know, pat him back in the neck. And yo, come on guy, you're an all star.

[Joaquin Noah]

You like, you like tibs, you like a street tips.

[Fat Joe]

I love tibs. I love tibs. But the truth is the truth. I had guys that were all stars, that were the most dominant in the NBA that you just seen them, they might have been on themselves when we get out there because they're not used to the nutcracker, the blunt, the come dance in front of you for no reason. God, come out the stand, start dancing, what? And you, you in a good, you know, and, and you seeing all this and you see everybody. Then you look on the side, Fat Joe's crazy, running the crowd, topless, £500. You like, yo, then what the kind of show going on in here. And then you coming and you like. And I'm trying, I'm to going, this is one guy, I don't want to say his name, but he was an all star. He might have been a 10 time boy. He came out there, I mean, he might have scored two points and he was shook. He was like, yo, but the people are on the court. But this, this is Harlem, it's real. And a couple of them really, really excel. Couple of them was like really, really. They loved it. You know, Baron Davis loved it. One time I brought out there Coutino Mobley and Stevie Francis and them niggas was going banana. Remember when they was the duo. Al Hamilton always played amazing out there. It was a lot of players. That was Stephon Marbury had him every game. You know, Stephon Marbury at that time was getting 22 million a year in the NBA. He was the highest paid. He played out there for free, was coming out there. Then he had his brother Zach. You not the whack Zach, cause Zach never made it to the league. So that he was actually all good, good player. But you Know he's the Marbury. So they expect. Zach, you not the whack. They be on the mic. Yo, Zach, you not the whack. Zach go up in there, he scores little 10 points and go hard. But, you know, Stephon Mulberry's the most. He was the most dedicated street basketball NBA player I've ever seen. He gets this. And another person who never lost a single game is Ron Artest at the Rucker. He never lost a game he played in Ron Artest. I had him one year on my team. We playing the chip, he splits his whole hand. Splits. You've seen that before, right?

[Joaquin Noah]

What, split?

[Fat Joe]

Like split? Like he had like a. His shit was split like split. It's the championship. His shit is split wide open like he needed surgery or something. Definitely stitches, right? So now I'm shook because I'm thinking the Omen is old. Like, this guy never loses. Like, I knew I was winning. Look, Ronald has never lost the game. So the one game we in the chip, he splits his hand. I mean, splits. So I'm like, oh, we lost. Because the man not going to be able to finish this game is like, fourth quarter, the man get some tape. He tape his whole hand together. Tape goes back out there, starts killing them. Yo, Ron Artest different. And, you know, I would go. I would go pick him up in Queensbridge projects. You know, Ron art has had two apartments in Queensbridge in the projects. He had that $49 million deal, too. He be sitting in front of the bench with Chancleta's on in the middle of the projects with everybody knowing he got 49 million, driving a dusty pickup truck. Ronald Test, he was different. Ron Artest was too. Just too strong. And his brother, right? What was brother? Danny.

[Joaquin Noah]

Danny Artez.

[Fat Joe]

Danny. We used to play Danny. Oh, you Danny. Danny was big. Danny was. Yo, it's sometimes. That's why I'm trying to tell you that.

[Jada]

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[Fat Joe]

All right.

[Jada]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

Let's get to it.

[Jada]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Hey audiobook lovers. This week on the podcast I'm sitting down with musician, producer and walking encyclopedia Questlove. We're talking about Mark Ronson's memoir Night how to be a DJ in 90s New York City. All right, like we talked about before, Mark Ronson found sanctuary in the DJ booth. What's a tool or piece of equipment in the studio or on stage that gives you the most control?

[Joaquin Noah]

So I have two microphones on stage. We have the microphone that you hear as the audience. Then we have a second microphone in which we communicate with each other. Each other. I feel like that second microphone kind of saved all of our friendships. No, no band likes each other after.

[Fat Joe]

20 years or 25 years.

[Joaquin Noah]

Like the Beatles broke up in seven and a half years and we're going on 35.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Listen to earsay the Audible and iheart audiobook club on the iheartradio app or wherever you get your podcast.

[Radio DJ]

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[Fat Joe]

What's that?

[Radio DJ]

You want this translated into song? I hope you're sitting down.

[Fat Joe]

You can pay your own way.

[Radio DJ]

You keep those ears off, you hear? Don't just pay, baby.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

PayPal learn [e-mail].

[Fat Joe]

What player or what game did you watch? Christmas or something like that. And you went outside and was like, yo. You was emulating the moves. Like, yo, I gotta be like, this guy, this guy's incredible.

[Joaquin Noah]

I would say for me, like, I grew up a Knicks fan and my pops used to take me to the games. So I was in the garden when LJ hit the shot.

[Fat Joe]

I was there too, by the way.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah, you definitely been to more Knicks games than.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, no, no. But I was there that game I was with Allen Iverson. He was here, and we said it on the episode. He was with me. I've been looking forever for the pitches of that game, but it's the other side. And we was in them seats. We was like a little fourth row, fifth floor. We wasn't in the courtside. But that. You saw that whole crowd go crazy.

[Butter]

So.

[Joaquin Noah]

But, you know, it's like when you're a kid, you just watching all the games. You watching all like the. It was still VCR and like. So I had all the Magic Johnson tapes black. And I'm watching. Yeah, I wasn't black and white.

[Fat Joe]

No, I wasn't. But I'm an old. I used to watch Honeymooners, black and white.

[Jada]

Honeymooners only came morning. Black and white.

[Fat Joe]

Now they got the. They got the colored version now. They even got wizard of Oz in color. Now. They redid it. The point is, was black and white. I used to watch the Knicks when the. Was black and white. I used to watch TV when the TV turned off. You ever. You too young for that, right? 12 midnight, they throw the American flag. Indian dude come out and he look at the pollution. Oh, he was going green a long time ago. He. He'd be looking and he start crying. The Indian dude with the Indian outfit, every night he look and he see the trash and he start tearing. And that's it. You wake up in the morning. TV again. That is off all night. I'm old. I talk about when I'm a kid. When I'm a kid. The Honeymoonist was probably like the last show on with Art Carney. That be going off and they got a flag and then they got an Indian dude. They trying to tell you, yo, don't throw in the street, don't pollute you up the earth. And he come over there and he start crying and. And that's how TV turned off every night.

[Joaquin Noah]

Damn.

[Jada]

What do you mean it turned off.

[Fat Joe]

When you was watching what you was watching.

[Joaquin Noah]

We talking about basketball right now. We talking about the Indian tv.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Basketball. You saying dvd?

[Joaquin Noah]

Oh, no, it's just. It was more like. It was more. You know, you walking in the street and you just. You doing moves. You don't even have a ball or nothing. It don't matter. You working on.

[Fat Joe]

So you was in the street with the. You.

[Jada]

Wow.

[Joaquin Noah]

Just think, okay, what am I gonna do? So you walking up the block, working on your shit. You already there in your mind. You know what I'm saying? So for me, that was my mentality as a kid, was Just like, I wouldn't tell nobody. Like, yo, I'm going to the league. That was not how I moved. But the reality is I'm a third generation athlete. Talk about it like, my grandfather was a soccer player from Cameroon. My pops is a Hall of Fame tennis player. Only African player to ever win a Grand Slam.

[Fat Joe]

Wow.

[Joaquin Noah]

Last Frenchman to win a Grand Slam.

[Fat Joe]

Wow.

[Joaquin Noah]

So I grew up seeing all that.

[Fat Joe]

Just knowing you're a little kid, knowing.

[Joaquin Noah]

The greatness, just knowing what it takes to be a pro. You know what I'm saying? It wasn't like, yo, my pops would wake me up in the morning, yo, let's go for a run. You know what I'm saying? Like, that was my game. I wasn't. I wasn't more talented than half the guys out there, But I had that education of I wake up in the morning. The discipline of what it takes. Like, when I see you fucking tired and I got two more gears because I'm running three miles before school. Cause I know nobody else doing that shit. And y' all fucking up the drills. Y' all don't want.

[Fat Joe]

Y' all.

[Joaquin Noah]

Coach say something. Cause you got 20 points. So you think that you can just. I don't give a fuck what the coach got to say. Like, New York City. More than just, like, looking at guys and being like, yo, I'm looking at guys. Like, this is what I'm not supposed to do, and this is what I'm.

[Fat Joe]

Not supposed to do.

[Joaquin Noah]

A lot of guys should have been there, man.

[Fat Joe]

There was a lot of guys who.

[Joaquin Noah]

Were better than me. What a blessing.

[Fat Joe]

Same thing happened to me. I don't believe it happened to Kiss. Cause KISS always been the best. But when I got on, I'm networking in Manhattan. I'm performing at sobs. I'm going to Lyricist Lounge, this and this and that, trying to get on. And the guys was a hundred times better than me in the hood. And then they got mad at me because I got on. But they wasn't willing to network. Go talk to people, meet people, get a deal. Like, you know, I snuck up in the record label that was 31 flights. I snuck in the record label walked up 31 flights, and I was fat. Fat, Fat Joe.

[Jada]

Three fat jokes.

[Fat Joe]

Three fat Joes. And I give the guy my demo. He tell me I'm not good enough. And like, that I was doing. I was going down to D.C. to how can I be down and everywhere trying to get on. I end up doing Apollo Theater. I won four weeks in a row. That's how I got my. My chance. But other guys was 100 times better than me, and they didn't understand. They were like, we better than Joey. But, yeah, y' all don't want to put in that work. You know, it's a special. And the athletes, a whole different. You know. I stood in Tony Parker's house for a couple of days, and that guy was eating like, a bean. They was giving that bean and asparagus one piece of turkey, and it was like, yeah, go work out for two hours. He come back, they give him some other bullshit tofu this. He gonna work out again. He come back, I'm like, yo, this is. Yo, that guy there.

[Joaquin Noah]

Tony Parker.

[Fat Joe]

Tony Parker. I lived in his house for, like, a week. A week. We was performing at somebody's birthday party. He was like, yo, don't stay in the hotel. Stay in my house. His was a country.

[Joaquin Noah]

San Antonio.

[Fat Joe]

San Antonio, he had a complex, maybe a hundred acres or some. He had the professional gym to everything. But I'm looking at this dude eat, and he getting up. He got a chef. I'm eating all the eggs and pancakes, and he eating a bean. This, this, that. I was like, yo, this is Tony Parker, Pops.

[Joaquin Noah]

Tony Parker. Pops just passed, too, so rest in peace, Pops.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, he was there. Pops was there. He was on top of Tony like that. That's exactly who had him on that regimen.

[Joaquin Noah]

That's right. His pops was a dog, too.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

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[Joaquin Noah]

Nice Chicago finest.

[Fat Joe]

That's what I'm trying.

[Joaquin Noah]

Loyola, like, with top score. I went to the funeral last week. Yet Tim Duncan there. David Robinson, like, yo, everybody. All the French players came. Tyrion Re. I'm like, yo, damn.

[Jada]

Boy showed up.

[Joaquin Noah]

They showed out for him. Everybody flew to Chicago.

[Fat Joe]

Goosebumps, brother.

[Joaquin Noah]

You know what I'm saying? For Pops.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Joaquin Noah]

So no respect for family.

[Fat Joe]

Well, speaking of Tim Duncan, that's my favorite power forward of all. All time.

[Joaquin Noah]

Does it get better?

[Fat Joe]

Fundamental. He give it to you? He don't even. That. I remember that one game. It was one game. He was one of his last games, and he was old already, and he was still busting. He gave him every.

[Jada]

I don't remember him never busting ass.

[Fat Joe]

No, what I'm saying is his last season, his team was whacked.

[Jada]

Oh, who?

[Fat Joe]

His last season, Tim Duncan's team kind of fell off. Golden State was the best shit we ever see. They fell off now, right? It happens to everybody. What I'm saying is they didn't have that kind of firepower no more. But that boy Timmy, man, he Ain't let me down. He still gave them niggas like 41. He went to the last oxygen. He was trying to die.

[Jada]

Gregg Popovich used to sit him out and put reason was old age. He used to make Tony Parker and Tim Duncan and them not mistakes.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah, he was cool like that, man. They used to. They were so good. The spurs were so good. Talk about chemistry. One day, Tony's like, yo, let's have. Let's have lunch. I'm not feeling like lunch playing, you know, Buddy, buddy. Before the game, like we Chicago Bulls, y'. All, San Antonio. So he's like, nah, come on, man. I need to talk to you.

[Fat Joe]

Pop said that.

[Joaquin Noah]

No, no. Tony Parker. I pull up, these guys are all drinking wine before the game. At lunch, I'm like, yo, they came out there, still bust our ass by twenties.

[Fat Joe]

Ginobly, the chemistry. So who's on your Chicago team?

[Joaquin Noah]

At that time, we had young Jimmy Butler, we had Derrick Rose, we had Luol Dang, we had Carlos Boozer. Whole lot of game in this. Come on, man.

[Fat Joe]

We talk about you a lot on this show, man. You wore your Harlem pink pants. You got your Harlem pink pants.

[Joaquin Noah]

A whole lot of game in the building.

[Fat Joe]

A whole lot of game, Adrian. Yo, so you have a young Jimmy.

[Joaquin Noah]

Butler, young Derrick Rose. Derrick Rose. We had. You know, it's too bad, man. Cause we were right there, man. We were right there. I love. I love everything about.

[Fat Joe]

Well, you got Luau Ding at that time.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah, Luau Deng. We had Kirk Heinrich picking up full court. That's the toughest. Toughest white boy. We had him. We had Big Duck. Brad Miller.

[Fat Joe]

Brad Miller.

[Joaquin Noah]

Brad Miller changed my whole. My whole bro. He. One day after practice, he goes, you know, he had a big. He used to put dip in his mouth. You know, big country guy, redneck truck. Redneck truck, exactly. But one of my best friends might.

[Fat Joe]

Have had the Confederate under the seat. The Confederate flag. He might, but, you know.

[Joaquin Noah]

But the best, young boy. The best of the Confederates.

[Fat Joe]

Best of the Confederates that ain't got Indiana. Come on, be careful.

[Joaquin Noah]

So he got the dip right? And he's like, yo, young fella, don't ever shoot a jump shot again. This is what I need you to do. Catch the ball at the elbow, dribble handoff. If he's overplaying it, throw the back door pass.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, so funny. Two things he just told me.

[Joaquin Noah]

Two simple things that changed my whole shit. Like, yo, I had. I had seasons where I'm averaging five dimes a game. Non shooter just from that little. Just let big fella get the ball at the elbow.

[Fat Joe]

One of this guy's favorite bars for me was like, Sam. I Cassell.

[Joaquin Noah]

Like Sam ikasel, right?

[Fat Joe]

And every time I see Sam Cassell, I tell him, we gotta bring him on the podcast. Wasn't nobody like Sam Cassell.

[Joaquin Noah]

Nah, the best.

[Fat Joe]

Sam Cassell's a coach. Whoever he's teaching is learning. He was one of the last technicians. Like, he's like a fucking brainiac that could play. Experience is a motherfucker. And when somebody just gives you advice and you could apply it and turn around and make you so much better, it's amazing to me. And that's dope for Brad, because you guys had a hell of a team. You know what I'm saying? And y' all were just young. It was kind of like the OKC team when they had kd. They had. You know, they split them up. James Harden, like, what kind of team could that have been if they played together? Or Tracy McGrady and Vince Carter, they split that shit up. Yeah, you guys had a hell of a team and a hell of a coach. Cause, you know, I'm a Tibbs guy.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying? I. With Coach Tibbs, man.

[Joaquin Noah]

Shout out Tibbs, man. All right.

[Fat Joe]

No, he got 30 million on the walk out. He's all right.

[Joaquin Noah]

I saw that.

[Fat Joe]

I seen him.

[Joaquin Noah]

I saw that clip. Y' all were wilding on the 30 million, bro.

[Fat Joe]

You know, by the way. Exactly.

[Joaquin Noah]

You want a coach.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, that's a hell of a walk on.

[Joaquin Noah]

It's a highway robbery. Huh? Highway robbery.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. He deserved everything. We ain't been there 25 years. They should have gave him more. Exactly. I'm not in favor of history.

[Jada]

And bring him back right now. Like tomorrow. Make a big thing.

[Fat Joe]

Bring him back.

[Butter]

Nah.

[Joaquin Noah]

Shout out. Tibbs was the best, man.

[Fat Joe]

It's sad because Coach Brown. The problem I got with Coach Brown is his sneakers.

[Jada]

When he got old, when he rocking over. If your Coach Tibbs was rocking Versace, given cheese, all of that.

[Fat Joe]

If your coach is potential, your team is pie. And Coach Brown, he's my neighbor. He lives around in the neighborhood. Everybody says a beautiful guy, but his sneak is. I'm not intimidated. So if I'm looking at the coach. Yeah, you, coach. You're the leader.

[Jada]

He might got some bullshits on to intimidate you.

[Fat Joe]

Now he got some bullshits on. He got, like, fake con. Nah, that's not helping the feet either. It's not comfortable. It ain't Anyway, Coach Brown, I wish you luck. The system looks like it's going to work. By mid season, they're going to be. The fluidity. It's going to be right. Another thing, I want the job. I ain't got the pause. I ain't got the heart to tell you in person because I see James Dolan at all the games, but if someone could tap him if Clyde Frazier retires, I want the job.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

Are.

[Fat Joe]

I'm giving up everything. Me and you, the glory days. It's over. Rapping everything to be the announcer of New York.

[Jada]

But you gotta wear the suits.

[Fat Joe]

It ain't no money. It ain't no money.

[Jada]

You gotta wear.

[Fat Joe]

I gotta wear the cowhide suits, and I ain't got a problem with it. That's the voice. Pony Versace. I want to be the voice of the city. Voice. That's the voice. Holy McMoley. Ah, this fluidity. What I'm ready for the job. Willing to deal and driving and thriving. What I wear the cowhide suits in.

[Jada]

Honor of Claude Mount Clyde. Other day said, yeah, so there you go. Pat Riley used to have a hard time. He told him that's why he turned into a coach. He used to try to stick me out there. I used to kill him. That made him turn it.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, I'm not even gonna lie to you. The other day, you know when people start dying this. They. He's not dying right, but you know, when people.

[Jada]

Yo, listen, listen, everybody.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, I'm not saying that. But you know, when people start dying, the dying. He on the deathbed. He know he going in six hours. He'd be like, Yo, I killed 36 people. They start telling. They, you know, they dying. The start, yo, I'm the serial killer of Alaska. Killed the girl in Albuquerque.

[Jada]

This, yo, listen, I feel they come the flags.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, listen, I seen Clyde do something the other day I never seen him do in his life. He straight up said, I'm the best Nick, the greatest Nick of all time. Clyde don't brag like that. I seen him on the interview. No, no, no, no, no. He said that with those lyrics. I'm the greatest Nick of all time. Clyde Frazier. I never heard him say that in all them years. He said that recently, and there's rumors he might be retiring. And that man was like, yeah, Clyde Frazier, the greatest Nick of all time. That was a chip.

[Jada]

He won a chip, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, no, he won.

[Jada]

I heard he used to clean his Rolls Royce with a chinchilla and all as he deserves it, off his Rolls Royce.

[Fat Joe]

He deserves it. I'm with that. You understand what I'm saying? I'm with you. Live a life, man. You work hard. You deserve to do whatever the you want to do. If it's legal, you want to wipe your car with a chinchilla car, do whatever ain't nobody give you. You work for it. So whatever makes you have. What's your man, Jared Jeffries. Remember on the Knicks, the light skinned dude?

[Butter]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

He told me his first check, he cashed it out all cash and threw it in the bathtub. It slept in the money. Jared Jeffries, crazy, yo, that told me that. I was like, what? He was like, yes, I pulled out a half a million dollars cash, do it in the bathtub and. And bathed in it all night. Like, in the money. The Jared Jeffrey, what's the wildest shit you heard? Like a basketball player say about.

[Joaquin Noah]

I never heard no shit like that. That's crazy.

[Fat Joe]

No, I've heard it. We were playing Boston and we went to dinner with Boston and the Knicks. I was up there in Boston and they was all saying crazy shit. Like, they were saying crazy shit. The ball players, they were young. They were saying, you know, he said he bathed in there. I can't tell you the other shit. I'm really in trouble if I talk about these.

[Joaquin Noah]

Nah, I think. I think, think the league now, it changed a lot, man. Like, you know, like when you walk around New York City, you're like, why does it feel. Why does the city feel so polished? Like the money's so big? That I think that. And because of the social media and all that, I think everybody's just on their best behavior. Like, you don't even. They don't even go. They playing video games. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's.

[Fat Joe]

It's John Morant.

[Joaquin Noah]

Unless you John Moran.

[Butter]

That's right.

[Fat Joe]

You trying playing China. You right. Want to play in China. I warned them three years ago. You remember that? Hey, buddy, you watch everything I say? Hey, but I want him. Three years ago, I told him, bro.

[Jada]

You wanted China from over the water. That placed 30 minutes. He's not used to playing a little bit of minutes.

[Fat Joe]

So he had to fight there with the Shades threat.

[Jada]

I got nothing to do with. No, he ain't. His pots is drunk. He ain't bothering nobody. He's sitting there getting shrinking.

[Fat Joe]

Stephon Marbury went from 22 million a.

[Jada]

Year, the biggest player in the 97 times since then.

[Fat Joe]

They'll throw you in China or Yugoslavia. My don't care how nice you Is you not bigger than the program? Fall in line or you going to fall by the wayside?

[Joaquin Noah]

Tell me about it.

[Fat Joe]

That's right or wrong.

[Joaquin Noah]

I lived it. I lived it here. I. I got kicked off the Knicks in the middle of the winter. I got. I don't even have a job anymore.

[Jada]

How'd that happen?

[Fat Joe]

That was good. That was a good question. How'd it happen? Yeah, Jay barely wants to know, but that's a good one.

[Joaquin Noah]

Corny Horny.

[Fat Joe]

Who was Corny Horny? Hornetshack Jeff Hornacek.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

What happened with him?

[Joaquin Noah]

He didn't with me, man. So he ran up on me like he wanted to fight me.

[Fat Joe]

Me.

[Joaquin Noah]

That's what happened. But I. I mean, I'm. Look, at the end of the day, I'll take my part. When I was on the Knicks, I wasn't. Right? Like, I just got serious. No, no, no. This is. This is like. This is a movie. This is a movie. I'm a free agent, but I got hurt the year before. I remember, full shoulder reconstruction. So I do my surgery at hss, the best place. So I get the surgery popping like, you know, I'm taking the pills for the surgery. Like, I'm walking in the streets, but I'm a free agent, so I'm walking in these streets, Everybody. Yo, Joaquin, you coming home?

[Fat Joe]

What's up?

[Joaquin Noah]

I get the call from Phil Jackson a week before free agency, I'm coming to New York. This shit is like dream come true shit.

[Fat Joe]

Yes.

[Joaquin Noah]

But I'm already on my injuries piling up. Injuries piling up.

[Fat Joe]

I hate that.

[Joaquin Noah]

It's the worst, you know what I'm saying? I'm fucking ready. This is like dream come true shit. And I'm not right mentally. I'm in New York. The streets is calling, you know what I mean? I got a coach who don't fuck with me.

[Fat Joe]

Make It Rain's number one. About that time, make it rain.

[Joaquin Noah]

Make it rain was hot. That was. Make it rain was hot. Make it rain was hot. And, you know, it's also. You gotta understand, when you playing in the NBA, the amount of money you make, it's on the ticker. Like, I. I remember going. Being in the club when I signed my deal with the Knicks, I'm seeing people like, yo, look what joking get. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

That's why my girl made Shout Out. My girl Robin, she made baller alert for that. You know, Baller alert on Instagram. She made it so that when a baller comes in the club, they be like, yo, ladies, Joaquim Noah is worth hundred million. No, no. That's the true inception of Ball Alert was so that you could like, like, know what these guys are making. Like, that's a fact. They know. They know what you making. It's crazy about that. I don't disclose nothing. You go right now, they say, Fat Joe worth like a million dollars right now in the net worth worth. I'm not worth nothing.

[Joaquin Noah]

Exactly. Don't tell them nothing.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not worth a thing. They told me I was worth a million dollars. I had a million eight hundred thousand dollar watch on. When I saw that, the net worth, I was like, okay, perfect. I'm good. You know what they tell y'? All? Shit. So you out there doing the most, is what you're saying.

[Joaquin Noah]

I'm doing it like. So I get kicked off the Knicks, I get into it with Corny Horny. And now this is the first time in my life where I got a lot of money. I'm young, but I don't have a job. So I'm like, yo, if I stay in New York City right now, it's a rap. It's a rap.

[Fat Joe]

I'm fucking myself up.

[Joaquin Noah]

So I had to. I rented a house in la. Thank God I had great mentors. Lair Hamilton, big wave surfer. So from end of January all until December, so it was like almost a year. I had to train. I was training by myself. Like, I didn't have. I didn't have a team to rock with it. Yeah, but thank God, you know, Memphis picked me up and I got to finish my career, you know, playing off the bench for a year. And it was a blessing. But like, yo, I had nine surgeries, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Nine.

[Joaquin Noah]

You know what I'm saying? But like, yo, come on, man. Like, I got to live out, like, coming from here and being able to make money, take care of my kids, take care of my family, you know what I'm saying? Like, I got to live it at the highest level. The New York is like, Ira, when I go in there, it's like, damn, it hurt. I wish that. I wish it. I wish it would have been better, you know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

You know, they do that a lot. They have a tendency of bringing people when they a little bit past their prime. Say Rasheed Wallace, everybody, man. Well, the Knicks do that.

[Joaquin Noah]

Not now.

[Jada]

No, not now.

[Fat Joe]

Not now. But the Knicks, well, you know, I believe that Leon Rose and West west changed the whole DNA of the New York Knicks. Because me personally, I would have never got rid of Lynn Sanity and Tibbs. Tibs changed the whole point to the thing. For 25 years. We're not even talking about that. I'm talking about the DNA. Yeah, yeah, right. I forgot what happened.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

Who? Who?

[Fat Joe]

Somebody was playing on the Knicks. Now, when the Knicks read up his contract, I couldn't believe it. As a Nick fan, we always lose the. Once they get nice, they go. And they brought him back. I said, oh, they finally changing the DNA. You know, like Lynn Sanity. I wouldn't have got rid of Lynn Sanity. He was must see tv. The man was on fire. Why wouldn't you bring the brother back? I didn't even understand a lot of moves they were making. They wouldn't pick Ronald Chess because he was from New York. They did. They was bypassing New York players like Homegrown Born.

[Jada]

The Knicks had 30 years of trading away niggas that turned out to be incredible. Everywhere they went, Rod Strictly, Mark Jackson, everybody.

[Fat Joe]

But one of the reasons they were doing that was they answered his place too close to home. So what they. I'm telling you, just from a fan, I felt like they didn't want Ronald Test in his prime. They didn't want these guys. Cause they from the city. They had a mentality of, yo, they too close to home.

[Joaquin Noah]

It's a real thing.

[Fat Joe]

They got control.

[Joaquin Noah]

It's a real thing.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

Thing.

[Joaquin Noah]

It's a real. That's a real thing.

[Jada]

By the way, from the outside in, it's on the individual. You know, he's going outside. You know, J.R. smith's going outside. Brunson and Hart is in the library in Westchester, chilling out, eating wings in Canada. Like, is. This stiff is on the.

[Fat Joe]

Well, that's great. It's great that we got some players that want to stay home. And do they. Thank God.

[Joaquin Noah]

Thank God, you know, because I hate.

[Fat Joe]

Going to the strip club and seeing the star of the in there throwing money. I'll be like, yo, this crazy. These what?

[Jada]

What? In that same token, Mason in them was outside and they still was winning this.

[Fat Joe]

ZION Got like 32 strippers pregnant. I'd be really mad. Oh, man, come on, yo. I would be really pissed if I was the fan of this. And Zion, my guy, I want him to play the greatest. I wanted him to be. That's the last guy to be a.32's.

[Joaquin Noah]

A lot sick.32's a lot.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, you know, that's the Fat Joe. You know what I'm saying? But I don't mean it like that. I don't want it. I don't Want to. I love you, Zion, man. I'm a fan of your game.

[Jada]

When you help, say you love. About to say he got 32 baby strips.

[Fat Joe]

I know I would be really mad if I went to every strip club and Zion was in there and he's unhealthy and this and this. I'd be really pissed. And I went through that with the Knicks a lot. What's my man. He got shot in the knee. Clinton Anthony, Clee Anthony. Outside starlets, they fixed them bad. That was disgusting, though. Any street who has something to do with that, you know, that was disrespect, bro. The man an athlete. You shoot him in his kneecap. It couldn't have been that serious.

[Jada]

But he should have gave it up.

[Fat Joe]

Gave what up?

[Jada]

Whatever they wanted.

[Fat Joe]

I said they was robbing him and he.

[Joaquin Noah]

That's up.

[Jada]

I think they just didn't like his knees.

[Fat Joe]

That was personal. Nah, that was personal. They shot him in his knee. That ain't had nothing to do with no robbery. Just me, Fat Joe, Criminal Theology 101. That was bigger than a robbery. They shot him in the knee. He was somebody. Girl, they shot him in it. I'm telling you what must have happened. I don't know the facts. They not robbing the dude. Shooting him in his knee, he was somebody. And they said, you know what? This is the third warning. That's Chagito gave it to him. Chito, I'm telling you. But anyway.

[Joaquin Noah]

You need to go back to the Rucker, man.

[Fat Joe]

I can't do it. Adrian be trying to give me a butter try to get me out there all the time. I can't do it. I would take the whole summer off. I wouldn't make a dollar. I number one. Okay. You could keep all your flags. You want to keep your flags or you want to throw them? I'm number one in America. What's love is number one in America. White America's begging to give me money. I'd be like, yo, the whole summer's off. I got a coach. And me, I'm a different coach. Hey, but is right here one of my greatest players of all time. After the game, what we do, we go eat steaks, rice and beans and lobsters. And we. It was a family before the game. We stretch together. I get on the floor just like I'm all in.

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[Fat Joe]

Hey everyone, Ed Helms here and hi, I'm.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Cal Penn and we're the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club.

[Fat Joe]

This week on the podcast I am.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

Sitting down with Jenny Garth, host of the iHeart podcast.

[Fat Joe]

I choose me to discuss the new.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

Audible adaptation of the timeless Jane Austen classic Pride and Prejudice. This is not a trick question. There's no wrong answer. What role would I play?

You know what? But I can see you as Mr. Darcy. You got a little Colin Firth.

[Fat Joe]

Okay, that's really sweet. I appreciate that. But are you sure I'm not the dad?

[Advertiser / Narrator]

I'm not Mr. Bennett. Here, listen to Earsay the Audible and iHeart Audiobook Club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Radio DJ]

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[Fat Joe]

What's that?

[Radio DJ]

You want this translated into song? I hope you're sitting down.

[Fat Joe]

You can pay your own way.

[Radio DJ]

You keep those ears on, you hear? Don't just pay, baby.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Fat Joe]

But my. You know, it's crazy. I went to Harvard yesterday and I gave a lectures that think. Thank you. And Harvard. But one of the best parts of the movie Malcolm X is when some girl, some white girl come up to him and says, I understand my ancestors was wrong. I know we wrong. What can I do? He said, you can't do nothing for me, mama. Okay, I'm sorry. You know what I'm saying? One of the greatest point gods that ever lived, the greatest handles ever created, was Bone Collector. And he came up to me one summer and we coming in the park and then we giving out the Terror squad jersey. Says, joe, my whole life I want to win a chip. Yo, Joe, Joe, Joe. He said, how can I join? I said, you, my friend, cannot join the team. He was like looking at me. He had the greatest handle in the universe. And I was like, you don't want to win a championship. You want individual achievement. And people didn't realize the rule was, once we up by 20, then play the game. Alley, you act stupid. But I want to win. I'm going in there to win. And do we play basic basketball till we blowing you out. Now we do the tricks. Know what I'm saying? Hey, buddy. They didn't understand that we walking up in there to win. We had blue collars. Tell me some of the big guys. We had DP Be the beast. Remember the Beast. Oh, my God, BJ the peace. Oh, my God, bj. He had abnormal strength and he didn't want no limelight. He didn't want nothing. Who's the coastal sea? Syracuse. Now he played for us, Adrian Ortry. Adrian Autry never bothered nobody. He played his Team. He threw the backpack on and took the train and got out of there. He never hung out out. There's guys like that. Oh, what was my man? It was the preacher. These are guys, you'll never say their name. We couldn't win these chips without these guys. These guys got all the rebounds, made the right block at the right time. Hey, guy, you know, we had guys that went in there to really win who's like, yo, we gonna win a chip. It ain't just about the. You know what I'm saying? And so, you know, we're gonna get to that. But it wasn't about that. And we, you know, good times. Wow. Derrick Rose, right? We had G herbo up here, young brother, you know, he's out there saying, well, you know all these young dudes, my nephew is crazy out here, man. These guys are crazy. My daughter's crazy. G herbo said that Derrick Rose is better than Michael Jordan. He didn't really mean that. And so what he's just saying in his era, when he grew up, he watched him in high school.

[Jada]

How you gonna say he didn't mean that? You know what he meant meant?

[Fat Joe]

He didn't mean that. And so what I'm saying to you is that in his era of high school, uhhuh. He saw Derrick Rose in the street games. He saw him in high school. He grew. He's home grown.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And then he excelled to be the youngest mvp. How unfortunate was his injuries and how great of a player he was already a greater. I mean, even his last year he scored like 51 somewhere. Right? Right.

[Joaquin Noah]

When Derrick Rose in his prime, when he stepped onto the court, it was like the energy for the team. You know what it feel like when somebody pull up to the court and you're like, oh, we winning? Every time he was on the court, you felt like you had a chance you could win. I mean, we're not talking about the athleticism and all those.

[Fat Joe]

Athleticism was out of control.

[Joaquin Noah]

It was out of control. He's killer.

[Fat Joe]

D roll was. Must see tv, must watch tv. Oh, shit.

[Joaquin Noah]

And. But when the injury happened, it was like, it was like somebody died, bro. Like that's what it felt like. It was like, yo, we were winning the championship that year. There was no question in my mind. It was like we just lost to the Heat in the Eastern Conference the year before. We're young boys and now it's. Now it's our fucking time. That's what it felt like. So when he got hurt, it was like we didn't Have a shot anymore. Damn. Even talking about it now, it still hurt. It still hurt because it's like, it's the biggest what if, like, you know, it's like when you really want. When you care about. Like, I hear you talking about the Rucker, I was like, I see how passionate you are about the winning. He was all of that. He embodied all of that. And the way he embodied Chicago during that time, it was like. Like, it was crazy, man. It was like, you know, Chicago is a crazy place, you know, different. Like, we talk about street ball. You can't even do the street ball over there in Chicago.

[Fat Joe]

They can't do it.

[Joaquin Noah]

It's too violent. Kids are dying every day, you know, so what Derek represented coming from that and representing that, the way that he represented that every day on the court, these young kids were just like.

[Fat Joe]

Like he was a guy. Yeah, yeah.

[Joaquin Noah]

It was all of that. And he's, like, humble, you know, it was like, all that.

[Fat Joe]

He didn't.

[Joaquin Noah]

The way he carried himself through the bright lights, you know, it was like. It was impressive. You know, I see a lot of guys get caught up in the lights, you know, like when the lights come, it's like, yo, you don't know how. You lost in the sauce.

[Fat Joe]

That should be a new term you bring back and you recycle. Lost in the sauce.

[Joaquin Noah]

Lost in the sauce.

[Fat Joe]

You guys are lost in the sauce, boss.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah, but the best man, best human basketball, like, in terms of brotherhood and the loyalty that he has for his people, the way he takes care of his people, like, man, shout out. Pooh. Honestly, I'm impressed. I love people like, you see it, like, when you go through adversity, you see who's a real motherfucker. And when motherfuckers have real success, you also see that shit too, you know what I'm saying? Like, can you. Can you have a humility about yourself when, you know, when you're around, when people look at you as great now, when you young.

[Fat Joe]

I give every rapper a two year grace period, right? Because I asked little cocky Kai, who came here, he's a young boy that's on fire. And I said, yo, I know what it's like for people, regular people, to know me. Yo, Fat Joey. And then the next day I got a, a, A hit. And they running like, yo, Fat Joe. Yo, yo, yo, yo. For me, it takes like two years to get off that cloud. And then we'll see who you truly are. Did you let the fame get to you? The money get to you? The success? You Know, you don't know how many rappers I seen come in humble, and two years later, they got a purple Yorkie dog with them, and they start acting like they forgot the whole. So I give him two years because it takes two years. It takes two years for a girl who barely got men to all of a sudden be a sex symbol. And every guy they ever thought in the history of mankind is rapping to them every day at a club and all that. It takes two years for all that shit to settle down, soak in. Now, if you're an. You're an. If you're gas or you think who you are, you are who you are, or you come back to Earth and you pretty much who you are. So when you young, I could see people getting caught on that. But then you got to figure out life, somebody got lower. What they talking about out there? That's. I give them a grace period, you know what I mean? Anybody who just come into money, come into fame, you know, they got to get used to this new lifestyle of what's going on, you know? And if you full of shit, you full of shit. And we seen more full of shitters then, you know, I always ask Angie, this Angie Martinez, one of my wife's best friends, she's always in the house. I'd be like, your Aunt Angie don't talk. Even though. Let me not. But I'd be asking Angel Ange, what are the artists? Because she's in the radio, she watched them come for the first spin, and then they come by the next year, the next year, the next year. And I asked her quietly, beyond the scene, like, who are some artists? She like, joe, please. If you even start to believe the shit that I seen on the radio, of how, yeah, people switched up and they get caught up in the fame, the lights, the money.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And. But one thing that bugs me out about athletes, you the man. College, you the man, NBA. The crowd is screaming for you. You walk in. How hard is it as an athlete when you retire and you don't hear that no more? You know us, Patti LaBelle. I just seen her on TV. She's going on tour, 81 years old. Smokey Robinson and them, they still rocking. 80 years old, the artist. As long as you got a voice, God willing, you could keep going. The athlete is an expiration date.

[Joaquin Noah]

For real.

[Fat Joe]

And what does that feel like?

[Jada]

No expiration.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. They got the paper. Oh, no.

[Jada]

Yeah, that's what you need.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, my neighbor in Miami is Jamal Mashburn. He ain't playing 50 years he's up, oh, he walk around with his wife like, hi, Joe. Like, I'll be like, damn in there. Gotta have it. You know, of course they up financially if they didn't blow the bag.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah, well, it's more than the bag. The bag is definitely a piece of it. But it's true.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

You.

[Joaquin Noah]

You're playing in front of 20,000 people, you know, for as long as you playing, and then all of a sudden, when it's done, it's like, you don't get that no more. Ever. You're not. You're not the gladiator anymore. Your frequency as a competitor, like, who you are as a competitor, like, you gotta change. Like, I can't be like, yo, fuck that. Like, that's not. It's not that anymore. It's not. Fuck that team. Fuck that city. Like, we over here. We coming in. Like, it's not. It's.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta.

[Joaquin Noah]

If I. If I live. If I live. If I live my life, how I. As a competitor now, you be in.

[Fat Joe]

Trouble, I be in trouble.

[Joaquin Noah]

So I had to change my whole mindset, knowing, like, okay, I'm not playing in those games anymore. Like, it's about bringing people together. And I. I'm really careful how I. Because with these. With these shorties, the way I talk about, like, this generation, the game is different. The money is bigger, bigger. The expectations are bigger. The pressure is bigger. When you get dunked on, the whole world sees it on their phone. When. When we.

[Fat Joe]

When I was playing, bump into somebody with the Beijing on, they shirt is attic.

[Joaquin Noah]

The whole world sees it.

[Jada]

The whole world.

[Fat Joe]

Jalen Brown, we working on them coming on the box. Rewinded 10. We're working right now as we speak. We're deliberating numbers right now. We need him on a new box. That way he could have a brand he could trust. Rewind. The tennis. The Rolls Royce of hair coloring.

[Jada]

I thought that beards not for roofs. You gotta.

[Fat Joe]

No, that's what. Yeah, we got the. For the shop. We got beard and hair. What are you talking about? We got hair too. Travis Kelce is here. We ain't got no bums on these box. But anyway. Jaylen Brown, welcome to the family. Jaylen Brown, welcome to the family. Come on, man, let's make it happen, man.

[Jada]

He better. When y' all sign his. When he white, it better be.

[Fat Joe]

No, it won't, it won't, it won't. Come on, bro, you know better than that. You. You put doing the show with me every day. Do I look like this? Come off my. The Rolls Royce.

[Joaquin Noah]

My bad.

[Fat Joe]

Your is right, Joe Keem, I'll be honest. You're the first person with the ringer. Went off in six episodes.

[Joaquin Noah]

My bad. My bad up. I'mma turn this off, right?

[Fat Joe]

Gotta be some friends or something. You got a new show coming up. Tell us about it.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah, man, I'm. I'm really proud of this. Like, you know, first, I want to thank the Knicks, because without the Knicks, I'm in a position now where if it doesn't get me crunk, I'm not fucking with it. Like, if it doesn't get me hype, I'm not doing it. And that's a blessing to be able to say no. Man, I don't know a lesson to say no. So shout out to the Knicks.

[Fat Joe]

Me and Jada's still doing the chitlin circuit. We can't say no. Our families want to spend money like a motherfucker. They selling them boots that don't fit all kind of shit. We. We'll be at a bar in Alabama for you right quick.

[Joaquin Noah]

So go ahead, shout out to the Knicks. Shout out to the guys, like, you know, the guys who got it done last.

[Fat Joe]

Like, what's the show? Tell me the show.

[Joaquin Noah]

No, but I want to thank. Thank the Knicks first for getting this shit done. Because now I can walk around New York more comfortably. There was a time when I was walking around the city, you know, people thought I was stealing money every time.

[Fat Joe]

I walked in the street.

[Joaquin Noah]

Now the Knicks are good. I could come home again comfortably. So I want to give a shout out to the guys before we talk about the show. But right now, I'm starting a travel show called Nomad. I'm hype as hell. I get to travel.

[Fat Joe]

Knicks gave you this show?

[Joaquin Noah]

No, the Knicks didn't give me the show. But I just wanted to give a shout out to the Knicks first before the show is Nomad. The show is Nomad. I'm working with the. A media company called NBA Take Two. And we started in Chicago, then we went to Morocco, and we're using as a Casablanca Mares. Oh, okay. No, it was Casablanca Rabot.

[Fat Joe]

You didn't meet the little man.

[Joaquin Noah]

You were talking about something man like.

[Fat Joe]

This that you up on your show. I ain't saying you should have went and found the little man.

[Joaquin Noah]

I heard you talking about him before.

[Fat Joe]

I swear to God, you should have went to Mares, put the little guy on the show. You won every award in the world, man.

[Joaquin Noah]

Oh, man.

[Fat Joe]

Man, this be bigger than him. He like, in the box of Rewind. He look like he ducking in mares. Ask French Montana, yo. That's crazy French Montana. The little guy you up. They should have already known you going to Morocco, yo. Go find the little guy now.

[Joaquin Noah]

We found. We found a rapper. El Grande Toto. Shout out to my main man Toto, man. We went to Casablanca, we went to his hood. He showed us a great time. Like, this guy's like, you got the.

[Fat Joe]

Guys that do this and like for like hours.

[Joaquin Noah]

The snakes. The snakes like this.

[Fat Joe]

While you eating. The. Just going like this. And he got some in his head.

[Joaquin Noah]

Morocco hours.

[Fat Joe]

You've been there, yo. Hours you eating. Let me get the head there. For like five hours, he's just going like this and dizzy like a. Like he don't get dizzy.

[Joaquin Noah]

Best the best people, man. Best the people over there, Austin. But we just went before Hurricane Melissa. We. We were just in. In Jamaica with Rohan and we just lying order, lying order and the house.

[Fat Joe]

You know, Rohan, Molly, you see, you know, Rah. Molly's my man, my guy. Rally has been. Damn if I could have said what I really was going to say. I'm getting the flag. But Rohan Marley has gotten to the bag in the same places of Fed say. They say behind door number one, they, you know, they doing business. They handing out bags. When I open the door, Rohan's in there already and be like, hey, Fat Joey, start smiling like we done hit the same plug up a million times everywhere I go. Yo, Rod. Yeah, Joe. I'm over here too. So Rohan's a hustler. So he took you to Jamaica?

[Joaquin Noah]

He took me to Jamaica. Like, talk about ghetto royalty, you know, I mean, that name, you know, I mean, look, at the end of the day, what Bob Marley did for the world, man, is just.

[Fat Joe]

And what the Marleys do for the world and what the. They're defeating they people for years and years and years and years. They could trust the Mollies. I'll get. I guarantee you right now with this hurricane. They doing a lot out. Them guys don't never stop giving the people. I don't know how they run out such beautiful people, man. They for their people, man. I trust them with. With my life. The Marleys, I just got to keep it real with you. And I'm not their best friend. I'm not with them all the time. But them people stand for something.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah, they do.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying? They righteous. They stand for something. And you gotta salute em for what they do for their people. So you went out There, you know.

[Joaquin Noah]

Just like for Rohan. And Stephen was out there, too, going to Hope Road where Bob bought his house. You know, when he started making the records, we went to Trenchtown, where he grew up. We're up in Nine Mile, where he's buried. Shout out Uncle Rich for making all that possible for us.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

But.

[Joaquin Noah]

But just to. You know, so much of that. Of that music just gave me so much power while I was playing, you know what I'm saying? It was obviously like hip hop New York, but there was also that part like the Rasta Bob Marley. So I wanted to just show that. And Rohan just opened so many doors and just so many cool, really interesting interviews. I got to interview Bob's lawyer.

[Jada]

You know what I mean?

[Joaquin Noah]

Just like, great conversations. So, yo, check out. Check out my show Nomad.

[Fat Joe]

Where's it available at?

[Joaquin Noah]

It's gonna be on YouTube. You know, we're gonna have. We're gonna have. It starts. We launching next week. So, yeah, check me out, man.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I sampled Bob Marley one time, and he was not clearing the sample. And you know me, I send the yard man, the Rasta DJ Khaled, to the Bali complex. So the roster go there. He smoked blunts with them for like, eight hours. And he think they don't know why he's there. And they turn around at the eighth hour, be like, so, yeah, come here for the big man, you know, for the clearance, kind of tell him we clear it. Callie went over there, I said, yo. Cali came back so high. I said, yo, Khaled. He was so high. He was with him for eight hours smoking Bob Molly's the day they go. And they told him at the eighth hour, they looking something. No, what you're here for, star, you win that clearance for the big M. You tell them we love Fat Joe. We love him. We're gonna clear it for you, kh. Don't worry. We're no wire here. He get up out of there. These people, great people, man. And. And you got that? I got that, man. I watched that movie on Bob Marley a couple of times. I went to the movie theater like, two, three times to see that shit. But I'm gonna. I'm looking forward to your show. I love shows like that. You know my man who died? Michael Kain. Oh, no, that Bourdain, too. Michael K with the skull?

[Joaquin Noah]

Yes. Huh? Omar.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, Omar from the W. But what's his real name?

[Jada]

Michael Williams.

[Joaquin Noah]

Michael K. Williams.

[Fat Joe]

He had a show like that, too, that was really, really dope. And. And I like that. Because, you know, I watched this, brother. I. I really got to get your name. I've watched you. I know you don't know, but Fat Joe watches you all the time. It's a show on YouTube where the man go to Africa, he go to Cuba, he go to Colombia. I'm learning so much about the world watching this dude, black brother. He goes abroad, and there's a whole black community in Colombia, all African, Spanish speaking, and he up in there to choke up. He in Cuba, he in Cape Verde.

[Joaquin Noah]

That's beautiful.

[Fat Joe]

He in Puerto Rico, he in Santo Domingo. This guy go all over, and I watch him to learn the real. Like, they go into the town and they not just glorifying the bad or the this, they just showing you what it is. They come with a juice. Yo, this is a juice from here. This is the meal from over here. And this. And I learned so much from this guy on YouTube. I'm. I'm going to find out his name because. Because I. I said to myself, I gotta big this guy up. Not that he needs me, because he's doing great on there, but I love watching like that and learning. I might go to Cape Verdia now because I seen that episode, and it was such beautiful water and beautiful flowers. You know, I'm into the flowers of the water and everything.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

But.

[Fat Joe]

That'S his name. Komori Martin is his name. Name. You sure I got the right one? Show me his picture. I don't want to give the wrong. Wrong guy props, because there's a lot of them.

[Joaquin Noah]

Let's go, man. I didn't know that Omar had a show like that.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah, he did. And he was almost like, what's that channel? Nah, this ain't the guy I'm talking about. Nah, it was a different guy. This ain't the guy. My guy ain't got no money like this. This guy got fancy suits and all. My guy's a regular guy. Nine to five, he go out there and he make it happen. He ain't the one. Shout out. Hard rock bet. You want to bet on the games and all that. NBA predictions this year, you jump out the window.

[Jada]

Future. Who you think going to take the east, who you think going to take the West? Who going to win the chip? Rookie of the year defensive just early.

[Joaquin Noah]

You know, it's still so East. The Knicks gotta take it.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

This year.

[Joaquin Noah]

They gotta take the East.

[Jada]

We ain't disagreeing with that one, baby.

[Joaquin Noah]

Gotta take. The Knicks gotta take it. This is the year. But you know Boston, who.

[Jada]

Say no more.

[Joaquin Noah]

I'm which who so and then in the West. The west is tricky, but I think it's still early. I like the Rockets. Amen. Ty. It's too bad that that point guard for Van Clee, that Fred. Fred, Van Clee got hurt.

[Fat Joe]

Cleave.

[Jada]

Yo, he called him crucial.

[Fat Joe]

Nice.

[Jada]

Van Clee.

[Fat Joe]

Yo. Nah, what's his name? Yo, what's his name? The light skinned dude from up in Toronto and Fleet. Close enough. God damn it. Van Cleef and Van Fleet same.

[Joaquin Noah]

He's a hell of a player.

[Jada]

My dog, man.

[Joaquin Noah]

Man.

[Fat Joe]

Van Fleet and Van Cleef is the same.

[Joaquin Noah]

That's up.

[Jada]

Yeah, that's.

[Fat Joe]

He won a chip in Toronto. He's a very great player. But finally, finally Kevin Durant is making a difference. Finally they put. Yeah. Nah, he went on the team. He won a chip for free over there at Golden State Date. Ever since then we've been waiting for them.

[Jada]

I don't got nothing to do with.

[Fat Joe]

Telling you the truth because he's gonna kill me. Yo, listen, it don't matter.

[Jada]

Nothing to do with this. He's finally climate I like. I'm not he reached.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, he fits in that system. He went to Phoenix, stunk it up to all them places. I'm keeping it a buck with you. But finally, finally, the chemistry. He was the right piece. I'm not saying he ain't one of the greatest of all time. I'm just talking about. Yeah, fitting in with a system right now. Yeah, he looking like a superstar with that. But they picked the right guy for that system. OKC and Denver to me, out the West. Somebody, one of these twos coming out the West. That's it. Nobody they ain't beating. No. At the end of the day, that towel be over their head and they'll walk out the tunnel like they always do. But MVP prediction. My MVP of the NBA for the next four to five years is called Wimba Yamba. If Wimba Yama doesn't get hurt, it's a rap. It is a rap.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah. Just give him all the awards.

[Fat Joe]

Give him everything. Wimba Yamba. You see this guy? Your boss? Water 77. You missed. What? You came late. Now he's punching. This guy's coming like holy.

[Jada]

He.

[Fat Joe]

He's over here and it's. Oh, by the way, somebody's trying to score. He's smacking this guy. It's his league.

[Joaquin Noah]

It's his league.

[Fat Joe]

There's nobody else. Nobody else.

[Jada]

Get a little bit stronger.

[Fat Joe]

Wimble Yamba mvp, New York Knicks championship. Who else we talking about? Rookie of the year. Gotta be. If he plays, he actually.

[Jada]

His picture addiction. How you took his hits.

[Fat Joe]

I'm sorry. He said the Knicks. Who else?

[Joaquin Noah]

What's the question?

[Fat Joe]

Question is who you think's gonna win the chip? Who's coming out the West? What you said Houston.

[Joaquin Noah]

I said Houston.

[Fat Joe]

Who's MVP of the league?

[Joaquin Noah]

Wemby. I'm with you. What he did?

[Fat Joe]

Was you on drugs? I'm not on drugs. Who's your mvp? Tell me now. Who's your MVP of the. Of the league?

[Joaquin Noah]

League.

[Jada]

Luca.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, Luca.

[Jada]

Luca.

[Fat Joe]

He ain't winning.

[Jada]

Neither is with me. Look at the numbers though.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, yo.

[Jada]

What? Look at these numbers.

[Joaquin Noah]

Luca.

[Fat Joe]

Looking good, let me tell you. Let's talk about this. Let's talk about this. Because the biggest, the Euphonym, okay?

[Jada]

Going back there.

[Fat Joe]

All right?

[Jada]

Now, the youth, they stay out of.

[Fat Joe]

That area, dog, you're not listening to me. The Euphanas last couple of years was saying Michael Jordan ain't the greatest. He was playing against white boys.

[Jada]

I didn't hear that.

[Fat Joe]

I heard that he played against What's Carmelo. The white boy stocked into this. The biggest they saying in the hood is he was playing against white boys. They try to act like Larry Bird wasn't. Wasn't white. He wasn't good.

[Joaquin Noah]

He was.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you. Yo, kiss you outside. Outside. You should know this. This say the truth. They say that MJ wasn't the greatest, cuz he played against white. Right now they got white busting they ass busy on TV every day. The Joker. Luca, you know the move. Every time you stop them are white.

[Jada]

You know what a certain duty you.

[Fat Joe]

They are obliterated.

[Joaquin Noah]

That's a different white. That's not. We're not talking about all American.

[Butter]

No, no, no. That's a different.

[Jada]

It's not the same white Serbian. Explain, cuz.

[Fat Joe]

Now we got different white people.

[Joaquin Noah]

Very. We got very different white. There's Confederate.

[Fat Joe]

Head. All of them shits got a different white.

[Jada]

Yo, bro, for you to go around the world and don't know that is killing me.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm not talking about where they have the white people. What I've been hearing in the hood, yo, MJ ain't the greatest in all time. He used to play white boys. He used to just. You gotta stop thinking. You ain't hear that.

[Jada]

I didn't hear.

[Fat Joe]

You know that. So I heard that. My. I owe that every day. By the way. By the way. I'm in the studio every day with 20 haters. These guys Are telling that all the time. I cool now I'm looking at tv. You just call Luca the mpp. If it ain't Luca, I ain't called him. All right. Mvp. He's a white boy. I don't know if he's from Yugoslavia, Serbia or whatever. I'm looking at a white boy balling. When I look at Joker, he's a white boy. Ballad. I don't give a. If he's from Texas, the middle America, whatever. He's a white boy. Boy. They are telling me that Michael Jordan is not the greatest of all time because he was busting white boy's ass. Not pause.

[Jada]

I wasn't there. I didn't. I never heard.

[Fat Joe]

I heard it.

[Jada]

It's either the youth said they didn't see him or something like that. So Brian and Colbin this and that. I never heard. They said he wasn't nice because he played against white people. That don't even make sense.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no.

[Jada]

I've heard that Stockton and some of them white people are some of the nicest white ever played.

[Fat Joe]

Kerr.

[Jada]

Kerr was on his team.

[Fat Joe]

Horny. Hornisette. Corny. Horny. Corny. Horny was nice.

[Joaquin Noah]

He was nice.

[Fat Joe]

Kerr, what was my man on Chicago? The boy. That boy was nice.

[Joaquin Noah]

Paxton.

[Fat Joe]

Paxton was nice, but no. What's the other guy? Tony. Tony Ku, Coach.

[Jada]

He's a regular white guy too, right?

[Fat Joe]

I never said the white niggas ain't nice. You talking to the wrong guy. I'm telling you what they talking about. I'm not talking about. About what. I'm not saying. Barber shop is saying.

[Joaquin Noah]

Serbia. Serbia. That's a Serbia. That's a. That's a different white. Croatia. That's a different. They've been through some over there.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, you ever met the Hong Kong's Mongolia? Man, you talking about the wrong guy. Been all over the globe. I know what you talking about. I'm just saying. Telling you. All right, let's talk rookie of the year. I'm giving it to the white boy if he ball like he's supposed to.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

Cooper.

[Joaquin Noah]

Cooper.

[Fat Joe]

Who you giving it to?

[Jada]

VJ Edgecomb doing work. He ain't getting the same kind of publicity. But he's not dominating right now.

[Joaquin Noah]

He's nice, but I like. I like Cooper. I like Cooper.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Hey audiobook lovers. This week on the podcast I'm sitting down with musician, producer and walking encyclopedia Questlove. We're talking about Mark Ronson's memoir Night how to be a DJ in 90s New York City. All right, like we talked about before, Mark Ronson found sanctuary in the DJ booth. What's a tool or piece of equipment in the studio or on stage that gives you the most control.

[Joaquin Noah]

So I have two microphones on stage. We have the microphone that you hear as the audience. Then we have a second microphone in which we communicate with with each other. I feel like that second microphone kind of saved all of our friendships. No, no band likes each other after.

[Fat Joe]

20 years or 25 years.

[Joaquin Noah]

Like the Beatles broke up in seven and a half years and we're going on 35.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Radio DJ]

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[Fat Joe]

What's that?

[Radio DJ]

You want this translated into song? I hope you're sitting down.

[Fat Joe]

You can pay your own way.

[Radio DJ]

You keep your those ears on, you hear? Don't just pay, baby.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

PayPal. Learn [e-mail].

[Fat Joe]

DJ Khaled had a rule. DJ Khaled was already rich, and he DJ on the thing in the radio. I don't give a fuck if he had the flu, the mumps, the weather, he would not take a day off DJing because he always told me, yo, there's somebody more hungry. And me, he said, somebody gonna come out here and DJ so crazy, and they're gonna take my slot. And LeBron caught a little sciatica and let Reeves and them boys go. And them out here scoring 51.

[Joaquin Noah]

Damn this.

[Fat Joe]

What do y' all want me to do? This is why this the number one podcast. We don't hide this. LeBron. Up, up. I. I am telling you, he might be on the trading block now without him knowing. Okay? You don't think so? They not doing that. Jada, Jada. Okay, okay. No. Okay. Can I speak my piece?

[Joaquin Noah]

Go ahead.

[Butter]

Go ahead.

[Fat Joe]

Can I speak my piece?

[Joaquin Noah]

Of course.

[Fat Joe]

Can I speak. No, no. H. On the trading block.

[Jada]

Ain't on no damn trading block, dog. He ain't never getting tra.

[Fat Joe]

He let these guys go. Who's getting $2, right?

[Jada]

He's never getting trade.

[Fat Joe]

Say something. They just.

[Jada]

They SC be next.

[Fat Joe]

All right?

[Jada]

So what that same is.

[Fat Joe]

I'mma tell him in this. You think I'm scared of Rich Paul?

[Jada]

It's not about being scared crazy. It's about saying something stupid. His bron's on.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not saying nothing stupid. I'm telling you that I'mma ask him.

[Jada]

Because he just said he was on the training. Lebron fucked up somebody.

[Fat Joe]

LeBron took a couple of days off and we. Did you know that Austin reed could score 51 points and 40 points a game? Did you know Know you've been watching. Did you know? Well, hello. We know now.

[Joaquin Noah]

So you rather.

[Jada]

LeBron is 40 years old, dog.

[Fat Joe]

So you think they rather lose with LeBron just to have LeBron? Because if LeBron come and try to take the game over, it's a rap. Same old Lakers. This they running right now. It's a new Lakers.

[Jada]

Can I speak?

[Fat Joe]

If LeBron don't come in there, play.

[Jada]

His position, get eight.

[Joaquin Noah]

It's eight games.

[Jada]

What Brian is in right now is one of the teams when he wins the chip. You don't got to do that much. You don't got to do.

[Fat Joe]

Sean was doing everything when he was winning the.

[Jada]

No, he what change you was watching. He always have playing five people. No, that's young LeBron I'm talking after he's got with Wade and Boss and everybody else. He gets the teams where he can save his gears to the playoffs. They can hold it like they're doing now. Then he when they engage take is something you can't.

[Fat Joe]

That Joe early prediction shoot me whatever the comments up this, this that LeBron James is getting traded by the LA Lakers. As soon as he goes.

[Jada]

That boy, he's gone. His phone is gonna catch on fire.

[Fat Joe]

He's gone, brother. He showed it, right?

[Jada]

I don't got nothing to do with you.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, listen.

[Jada]

I love you, man. Listen. He let the gym out everybody. I don't got nothing to do with.

[Fat Joe]

He's poked his chin out.

[Jada]

He ain't getting treated.

[Fat Joe]

He spoke this gym out. They gonna, you know, Marlon Brando gonna come back from the death and then all them Jack Nicholson's and all them guys and they're gonna be like, yo, we don't. I'm trying to tell you. Let them sit out of two more weeks and let them kids keep scoring 50 something come back in the game and them just scoring 12 points running behind Braun and keep losing. They're not doing that.

[Jada]

Go five games to 82 games is a big difference.

[Fat Joe]

The Knicks traded Patrick Ewing. Chicago Bulls traded Scotty Pippen, not Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan went.

[Jada]

Washington never traded. He left these teams trade them to watch these teams.

[Fat Joe]

It was something. This is awesome. Listen, if it's something.

[Jada]

If it's something you bugging dog. You tweaking right now.

[Fat Joe]

If it's something the NBA has taught you, it is zero to no loyalty.

[Jada]

You haven't been watching when it's your time, it's the NBA. And then there's LeBron. Have you been watching?

[Fat Joe]

That's what you thinking, all right? And I'm trying to tell you.

[Jada]

You act like you haven't been watching what he's doing.

[Fat Joe]

That's what you think is.

[Jada]

Could you answer my question?

[Fat Joe]

That's what you think.

[Jada]

What was it the. How powerful is he thus far to say little sciatica. How powerful has he been?

[Fat Joe]

Not no more. I'm telling you right now. They put the young boys on to get on the floor.

[Jada]

All right, he can get Austin Reeves out of here right now.

[Fat Joe]

No, he can't.

[Jada]

I bet you.

[Fat Joe]

No, he can't. Not no more. Sorry, sorry. Not right now, baby. Not right now, baby. I'm a LeBron.

[Jada]

You don't see that white lady.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

Yes.

[Jada]

He touching Austin re Breaking news.

[Fat Joe]

Breaking news. It ain't wo no more. It ain't ws no more. All right.

[Jada]

Something years, okay? He got 20 years of being great.

[Fat Joe]

No matter.

[Jada]

They don't just get.

[Fat Joe]

Fat Joe sold millions of records, walked in Atlantic one day, they took the poster down and it was ti. You got it.

[Jada]

They still didn't take his poster.

[Fat Joe]

That you got the post this up. Your day comes, you bug. He poked his cheek out.

[Jada]

He got the most points. I'm crazy. He passed Kareem, okay? That's all I'm tell. They going to disrespect her.

[Fat Joe]

20 more games. 20 more. Yo, we talking about the viral. Okay? Two time fella. I know how the go up. Stop. I know how this go.

[Jada]

Let them roll, cuz. They going to fry for this one anyway. Two time tell. Let them.

[Fat Joe]

I know. I know how it go. Don't stop me in the middle of a process of elimination. These guys are scared to talk like this.

[Jada]

Get the giz out of this when this comes on yo time.

[Fat Joe]

It came a time. I'm not crazy.

[Jada]

You are crazy.

[Fat Joe]

K. I was 21 years old, about 22. I walked into Apollo Theater. Theater. I got a rope chain on. Hold up. I walked in the Apollo Theater. I got a rope chain on. Pause. I see a guy from the back, his neck is this big. He turned around and I said, holy, that's Mike Tyson. He's tired, Mike. Six years later, Kenneth Jolson Johnson was knocking him out of Ain't the same. I want him trying to tell you don't get paid 20, 25 for what you did in 20, 20, 18 or 19 or whatever. You a die hard Laker fan, Rich. If LeBron comes in hold up. If LeBron, you don't actually most loyal fan. You're a Dallas fan after they, you know, not so good. Let me ask you a question.

[Jada]

Hello.

[Fat Joe]

LeBron comes in the 20. They keep going 20 games. Austin Reed, 51. The other dudes playing. They playing, playing. LeBron come back and start that. And y' all start. Y' all keep losing and, and, and, and y' all can't do it no more. It's the old LeBron. Yo, we gotta understand this. This.

[Jada]

That coach gonna trade it. He got the coach.

[Fat Joe]

He.

[Jada]

He picked the coach. Who's gonna trade him?

[Fat Joe]

It's a new day.

[Jada]

Who the gonna trade him, Rich? They ain't gonna trade.

[Joaquin Noah]

He didn't even play yet. Let him play.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Jada]

He didn't even play a game. He got him trade. He put him on the flock. He didn't even see what he's gonna trade do.

[Joaquin Noah]

It's not even the first quarter.

[Fat Joe]

They traded everybody in history.

[Jada]

Trade LeBron.

[Fat Joe]

Okay.

[Jada]

They didn't trade Jordan. They didn't trade Kobe. It's mad.

[Joaquin Noah]

They didn't Trade.

[Jada]

Yeah, that's LeBron.

[Fat Joe]

Ain't a Laker. When LeBron hangs it up, it goes back to Akron. He ain't a Laker like Kobe. When it's all said and done. That Raptor that going up in Cleveland, they ain't going up in the Lakers that other city.

[Jada]

He's LeBron. He did something nobody did, business wise, all of that. They're not gonna trade.

[Fat Joe]

God bless LeBron. I did a show with him on Stars. He gave me the opportunity. You're a legend.

[Jada]

He can't even trade. He can't get traded.

[Fat Joe]

You saying that with one boot on, get traded.

[Jada]

Pull out on two top fellas.

[Fat Joe]

Can he get.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Jada]

What are you talking about? He's on the traded, okay? He can't get traded. He can't get traded.

[Fat Joe]

He protected himself.

[Jada]

He can't get traded. How about that?

[Fat Joe]

Man, they really mad now. I'm liking Genie Bus. Genie Bus. Looking at this Genie Bus like, yo, this is crazy. We can't trade him for the 51.

[Jada]

You gotta do 50 oneers for years.

[Fat Joe]

You just better know Austin Reeves.

[Jada]

You already making Austin Reeves learn from Jadakiss.

[Fat Joe]

Yesterday's price is not today's price.

[Jada]

Austin, Yesterday's price is not today's price. It's doing great, man. Let's talk about the Noah's Ark Foundation.

[Joaquin Noah]

No, no, no, no. Y' all can't get hyped like this. And now we gonna talk about foundation like that. I'M not coming in talking about foundation after this debate.

[Jada]

I'm just happy to be here.

[Fat Joe]

I. I don't want to talk about.

[Joaquin Noah]

I don't want to talk about charity. I don't want to talk about charity. This is. I'm. I'm listening. This is all.

[Fat Joe]

This is awesome.

[Joaquin Noah]

I can't. I thought I came on a podcast, but I love this.

[Fat Joe]

Like, I love this.

[Joaquin Noah]

Yeah, I love this. You know, I, I. I didn't realize it was gonna get like this. I didn't realize how passion about basketball. Like, holy.

[Fat Joe]

You guys are in it. We really passionate about this. And with that being said, this ain't that.

[Jada]

That ain't this.

[Fat Joe]

It's cracking. Kiss, God damn it.

[Jada]

Make some noise for our brother. Joking, Noah.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Hey, Butter, come here. Hey, buddy. I talk about all the time. Hey, Butter, tell him about your book.

[Joaquin Noah]

Hey, Butter.

[Fat Joe]

Right here, right here, right here, right here. You know, he from all the money coming with the pink sweatshirt. I love you to death, Saint. Yo, don't turn nothing off. Tell them your book.

[Joaquin Noah]

Go ahead, buddy.

[Fat Joe]

Brother, tell them whether you can find it. No, no, you need the mic. I like that.

[Joaquin Noah]

A whole lot of games.

[Fat Joe]

Love, brother. Always, man. Thank you.

[Jada]

Always. You know that.

[Joaquin Noah]

Quick.

[Fat Joe]

Hey, Butter is in the building. Harlem Terror Squad's own shout out to Tony Rosa. He let us borrow him.

[Butter]

Yes, sir.

[Fat Joe]

Tell them about your book.

[Butter]

I got a book out right now called the Whole Lot of Game trying to put the kids on in the next generation on how to, you know, transition and look at entrepreneurship and financial literacy in a different way.

[Fat Joe]

Who's the guys you connected with on the financial li.

[Jada]

Literacy on our block?

[Butter]

Mocha Fi bank. Yeah, I'm tapped in with them and doing some good. Different things within the community. So, you know, they.

[Fat Joe]

Butter from player to player, from young kid right now, who'll be the next hottest in the in the city? This and this and that or all around. Give me one. One thing you could tell them not to do to get into the NBA. What should they avoid to get into the NBA? Because you're the one guy I always go to that I say, should have been in the NBA, but didn't make it to the NBA because, you know, you was a star in Harlem like you was in the NBA. In Harlem, all the girls want you. Everybody with you. Camera on your cousin, this, this, that. What bit of advice would you give some kids coming up in the game that got a lot of potential to get to the NBA what they shouldn't.

[Butter]

Do, what they shouldn't do.

[Fat Joe]

Is.

[Butter]

Focus on what others are saying. Stay true to yourself. You know what I'm saying? Continue to learn. Be more of a listener. That was one of my mistakes when I was young. I didn't really listen too much. So as you get older, you don't want to sit back and say, oh, if I would have knew this. Nah, be honest. You wasn't listening. Accountability, you know what I mean? That's really like, a big, main thing for me. Me to help the next generation and spread that word about just being accountable. When you start to be accountable, you'll grow.

[Jada]

Facts.

[Fat Joe]

Richie Parker. Richie Parker. Nah. Richie Parker should have been the NBA. Kareem Reed, we went and got him a tryout with the Knicks. Yeah, they don't know. I took a guy off the street, but pulled him in with Isaiah Thomas. Gave him a trial. Isaiah said, man, this guy came in smelling like blunts. We can't do it. You know what I'm saying? Like, you know, NBA different. The man I just told you, Tony Parker ate a bean for breakfast, bro. Like he was eating asparagus for lunch. Kareem Reed coming off of Harlem and, yeah, you the man in Harlem. But when they running them drills in the Garden, it's different.

[Butter]

Yeah. I don't know if you remember, but Kiss, he had Rough Riders. He had the first father and son that we ever seen, which was Steve Burt Senior and Steve Bird Jr.

[Jada]

Legends, man. No, man.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Stick to the verses. Don't talk about coaching at the Rucker. Stick to the verses. Stick to verses. Don't talk about the.

[Butter]

Yeah, he definitely. You had Jamal Tinsley. I got to give you your props, you know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

Paul Tinsley was dead.

[Jada]

Nice swole to him, brother.

[Butter]

Serious. Satellite shout out to Kenny Satterfield.

[Fat Joe]

What's my man, Kenny?

[Jada]

Satisfaction, buddy.

[Joaquin Noah]

Those was.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, we had.

[Butter]

We had the best of the city, but he did have some dogs.

[Fat Joe]

I gotta keep it real. Hey, Butter, the other day, I forgot his name, and I don't want to get killed, but the other day, I'm at the Knick game, and they playing Cleveland. And one of the guys that used to play at the Rucker is the assistant coach, Omar Cook. Omar.

[Jada]

Personnel.

[Fat Joe]

Cook. Holy. Let me tell you something. I grabbed him. This is not a mistake. Steak. Listen to me. Joking. I watched him in the streets, and.

[Jada]

He see you don't know his name, he gonna be mad.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Listen, I'm fried, know. I'm. I'm fried. I don't remember my name. I'M keeping it real with you. When this man came up to say what's up to Fat Joe, I almost cried, bro. I looked at him and I said, I said, you the coach? He said, yo, I'm the coach, coach. I was like, congratulations, man. God bless you, man. Like, I can't believe it, it's Omar Cook. And I went, I told my wife, I told a 100 people that day. I was like, yo, this kid used to play at the Rucker. I can't believe I don't know his name. I knew you would know his name. I should have called you ahead of time so I don't look stupid.

[Butter]

You got sham guard he's doing with Orlando.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know about big get up no more.

[Butter]

You got Royale Ivy, you know what I mean? He's always been coaching, assistant coaching.

[Jada]

He was in the net, you know what I mean?

[Butter]

Or Royale Ivy. He used to play the Cardoza, went to Texas, you know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

Rosen, one of the greatest coaches.

[Butter]

Always shout out Tony Rosen, always.

[Fat Joe]

But hold up your whole up always. Tony Rosen, one of the greatest coaches. But Tony Rosa, who? Somebody I respect too much for coaching. Coaching. The day we put a Terror Squad uniform on a butter. He was the Indian man crying. When the TV came off them, he had another one, is another Spanish. That was with Tony. Oh my God. When he walked in, I worked on him all winter. Took him to Miami. Drop top Bentley, steaks and lobsters. Whatever you want. Want this? I work. Because he used to kill us. He was the Terror Squad killer. I mean, we went triple four overtimes to the lights. Him and Steph.

[Butter]

BMF was throwing money out the helicopter at his pool party. Just to reiterate on what he was saying.

[Fat Joe]

They helped me provoke, you know. I said, I started Memorial Weekend, yo, they called me up. I got death threat from the Jamaican and the Mafia. They called me up, said, bata Fuko was with you, Joel, you erase a man history. I said, no, but if you go. Thank you for being one of the biggest promoters. We did Memorial Weekend together. But you, you seen some out there when. But, but what I'm saying is the day that part. Cuz he was the Terror Squad killer. The day he walked in with that jersey. Tony Rosa couldn't believe it. Cuz he coached you since what, high school?

[Butter]

Since I was like 14, 15. I used to play for the Shout out to the Mustang.

[Fat Joe]

And I love, love, love Tony Rosa. And I wasn't happy about it, but I couldn't. This guy was going to beat Us. He was really the only coach, you know what I mean?

[Butter]

If we being honest, it was a lot of y', all, you know what I mean? But he was the real coach out there.

[Fat Joe]

I had to buy him out. I had to bring him. He was killing us. He going up against Stephon Mulberry. Three pointer, three pointer, three pointer, three pointer, three pointer, three pointer, three. I said, bro Joe, if you can't beat him, join him. You gotta join a butter terror squad. Joined a butter. I had to get that man off the market.

[Butter]

Yeah, he had a team out there too. I don't know if you remember him.

[Fat Joe]

Hell yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Butter]

Andre Barrett. And all of them, just shout out to them. They're assistant coaches, you know what I mean? They out there.

[Fat Joe]

I thought, oh, it should have really, really went. Now he was there. But I mean, like, really, you want to know what happened to Andrew Barrett? Because I'm a huge Andre Barrett fan. He didn't do him. So he came in the league and he was doing what they told him to do. Pass the ball, this, this, that. I was waiting for him to do him. And so he was such a company guy, brought him in and. But he never did him. And if he would have did him, he would have had a longer career in the NBA. How proud of us. We was just Skip to my Lou. Skip to my Lou. Caught a check too, huh? He caught a real check. We're in Houston.

[Joaquin Noah]

Houston.

[Fat Joe]

Skip is probably the greatest story. Straight out of ruck in rucker history and street ball history. He's the one guy that I seen doing it. Remember the year we had Skip?

[Butter]

He came and played. That's when he won the championship again.

[Fat Joe]

Three other guys I gotta go up.

[Butter]

Against to make sure I play.

[Jada]

Look out.

[Fat Joe]

And Skip was like that crowd could. And he passed it to Steph. And Steph used to do that where he go low and do some. It was almost like Matrix. Remember that?

[Butter]

The way he used to do.

[Fat Joe]

So that's how he used to come in. Then they pass it to Rim, ream, do the circle up. Like it was just too much. It's too much. It was like Camelot. My royalty.

[Advertiser / Narrator]

We.

[Fat Joe]

We had too many more. One day we put Steph on with a AI out there. They was killed. One day we had a game with Steph on the AI. They were the two best.

[Butter]

Thompson shout out the natural controller. You know what I mean? I gotta make sure. Rest in peace. To Greg Marius and Ali Mo, man.

[Fat Joe]

Greg Marisa, man. A man of honor. We can't talk bad in the Roc Nation building. But anybody else would have found a way to give that game to Jay Z and, and Rock Nation or cancel it lid or this. The man said, yo, Fat Joe and them 1. That took a lot of heart for that man to say that. You know what I'm saying? So shout out Greg Maris. I also went when he was, he was passing away.

[Joaquin Noah]

He was there.

[Fat Joe]

I went, I went to the hospital. He requested me to go there. And man, what a good man, bro. What a great man. Greg Marius and the whole family. Peace, y'. All. This ain't that.

[Jada]

That ain't this.

[Fat Joe]

This is a butter and cracking kiss.

[Jada]

Let's go put the music for MASH on right now.

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Joaquin Noah]

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[Joaquin Noah]

Enough.

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