John Leguizamo on playing Pablo Escobar, 'Carlito's Way' & starring in 'Empire' with Fat Joe

Summary

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Podcast Summary: Joe and Jada – John Leguizamo on Playing Pablo Escobar, 'Carlito's Way', & Latin Representation in Hollywood

Date: April 7, 2026
Podcast: Joe and Jada (iHeartPodcasts and The Volume)
Episode Theme: An in-depth, wide-ranging conversation with John Leguizamo that spans his iconic roles (notably Carlito’s Way), Latin representation in Hollywood, and his starring role in the new Hulu series Dear Killer Nannies, the first authorized Pablo Escobar show.

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Episode Overview

This lively episode brings together legends from music and film—Fat Joe, Jadakiss, and special guest John Leguizamo. They swap personal stories, dissect Latino representation in entertainment, and dig into the cultural impact of gangster films such as Carlito’s Way and Scarface. Leguizamo also shares behind-the-scenes tales from his new series, Dear Killer Nannies, and the challenge of portraying Pablo Escobar.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. John Leguizamo’s Career and Impact

• Introduction & Respect:
  Fat Joe and Jadakiss introduce Leguizamo by highlighting his versatility—comedy, drama, Broadway, and iconic gangster roles.
  • “You think Queens, New York? You think one man shows like Freak. You think Broadway, movie screenshots... a man who turned pain into punchlines...” – Jadakiss [04:09]
• Comedy vs. Gangster Roles:
  Leguizamo reflects on being seen as both a comedian and a tough guy, and the effort it takes to succeed in both lanes.
  • “Why can't you do both? ... You could do both... Because they both demand different things from you.” – John Leguizamo [08:17]

2. Inside the Making of ‘Empire’ and Latino Filmmaking

• Creating ‘Empire’:
  • Behind-the-scenes vibes: Fat Joe describes writing his song “My Lifestyle” in the trailer during breaks on set. [09:00]
  • Leguizamo shares production stories—Empire was made for just $2 million and hit the top 10 box office, outlasting movies with much higher budgets. [10:04]
• Barriers in Hollywood:
  Discussion on how Latino directors and casts have to fight harder for recognition, compared to their white counterparts.
  • “If he was a white director and a white writer, he would have been offered everything... instead, you just got to keep retelling... you always got to keep begging, and it gets tiring.” – John Leguizamo [10:38]
  • “We’re 20% of the population... Where is our 30% of the movies, of the casting, of the executives?” – John Leguizamo [11:17]

3. Representation in ‘Carlito’s Way’ & ‘Scarface’

• Latinos as Side Characters:
  Leguizamo and the hosts discuss the casting of white actors as Latino leads (e.g., Al Pacino in Carlito’s Way and Scarface) and the missed opportunities for authenticity and Latino stardom.
  • “The lead was supposed to be Puerto Rican, but it was played by a white guy... they wouldn’t let us be our heroes.” – John Leguizamo [14:07]
  • They joke about not wanting to name powerful execs but instantly name Pacino for his legendary performances. [14:39]
  • “I think a Latino could have played that role.” – Fat Joe [14:53]
• Who Inspired Benny Blanco:
  • Leguizamo based his character on real people he knew, specifically a “crazy and dangerous” friend from the Bronx, which gave his performance its authenticity. [17:57-19:11]
  • “I based it on somebody directly. That’s why I had that kind of fire and juice.” – John Leguizamo [17:57]

4. Hollywood’s Fear and ‘Safe’ Choices

• Studio Executives’ Risk Aversion:
  • Fat Joe shares stories of Latino studio execs who, once in power, become too afraid to “pull the trigger” on new, riskier projects.
  • “They scared to pull the trigger on the movie because if it doesn’t succeed, right then they’re fired.” – Fat Joe [12:52]
  • Leguizamo calls out the “Ponzi scheme” mentality in Hollywood productions and mergers: "You can't have a production company that doesn't produce." [13:17-13:44]

5. Gangsterism: Glamorization and Reality

• Real Life Influence:
  Fat Joe reflects on how Scarface influenced his and many others’ choices—sometimes negatively, molding criminal aspirations.
  • "Scarface kind of like, destroyed my whole crew’s life growing up. We sold drugs ‘cause of Scarface. ... we were brainwashed.” – Fat Joe [16:16]
• Short-Lived Glory:
  The hosts agree that the gangster lifestyle leads to short-term “runs” and long-term regret or imprisonment.
  • “You have a one year run, right? ... then you get a good old 40 years for it from the feds.” – Fat Joe [51:53]
  • Leguizamo echoes the need not to romanticize that life: “Not to romanticize or idolize this type of lifestyle. It’s a short term goal.” [52:48]

6. Dear Killer Nannies: The Authorized Escobar Story

• On Portraying Pablo Escobar:
  Leguizamo describes the challenge and the uniqueness of Dear Killer Nannies, boasting about nailing the Colombian accent.
  • “White actors in America... all have to play Hamlet. All Latin actors have to play Pablo Escobar... But I think I got the best accent.” [31:08]
• Research and Authenticity:
  He did not meet Escobar’s infamous hitman ‘Popeye’, but met Escobar’s son, who served as a consultant for the show, providing intimate, never-before-told family details. [32:01]
  • The show is told from the son’s POV, exploring the emotional complexity of a child raised around violence and paranoia, but ultimately breaking the cycle. [36:49 & 47:41]
  • On Escobar’s son: “He authorized this show. He consulted on it. He talked to the writers. There’s dialogue... not script, these are spoken words that had a life.” – John Leguizamo [37:45]
• On Colombian Culture and Tourism:
  Fat Joe reflects on the irony that Colombia continues to profit from Pablo Escobar’s legacy, while also being the source of national pain.
  • "They still making money off this man that they murdered and they called him a criminal... to this day, Colombia is making money off of Pablo Escobar." – Fat Joe [43:36]
  • Leguizamo clarifies: Colombians have a “hate relationship” with Escobar; the show is responsible, not glorifying him. [43:55]

7. Funny and Humanizing Moments

• Money and Fame:
  Fat Joe jokes (with a serious edge) about being careful not to give out how much he earns to avoid “ex-wives coming for lifetime warranty.” [23:30]

  • On net worth websites:
    “I gotta watch that cost more than what they say my net worth is...” – Fat Joe [24:57]

• Gangster Friends & Boundaries:
  Both Fat Joe and Leguizamo swap stories about distancing themselves from dangerous friends after turning legit, including giving old friends “severance packages” to stay away.

  • “He’s the first that took the 30 grand and said, ‘I understand, Joe. You change your life…’” – Fat Joe [62:02]
  • “I had a friend like that... he used to do tapes of kung fu movies... he murdered (someone) ... and wanted to meet up after he came out... We just can’t hang. I’m going to a path of cleanliness, goodness.” – John Leguizamo [63:55-64:51]

• Subtitles & Spanish:
  Hilarious exchange about watching the new Escobar series in Spanish vs. using subtitles:

  • “I tried to do it without subtitles. Like try to go Duolingo with it.” – Jadakiss [34:14]
  • “No, no, no, you need subtitles. Especially Colombia. They talk that...– Fat Joe & John Leguizamo [34:18–34:45]

• Zany Shoe Jokes: The hosts roast each other about sneaker-penny loafers and wild shoe choices.

  • “He got sneaker penny loafers... Those are the skedaddles, yo.” – Fat Joe [33:44]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Latino Representation:
  “We’re 20% of the population. We over-index at the box office at 30%. ... Where is our 30% of the movies, of the casting, of the executives? I want that.”
  – John Leguizamo [11:17]

• On Playing Benny Blanco:
  “I based it on somebody directly. That’s why I had that kind of fire and juice.”
  – John Leguizamo [17:57]

• On the Realities of Crime:
  “You have a one year run, right?... then you get a good old 40 years for it from the feds.”
  – Fat Joe [51:53]

• On Escobar’s Legacy:
  “White actors in America all have to play Hamlet… All Latin actors have to play Pablo Escobar... But I think I got the best accent.”
  – John Leguizamo [31:08]

• On Money and Fame:
  “I gotta watch that cost more than what they say my net worth is…”
  – Fat Joe [24:57]

• On Letting Go of Dangerous Friends:
  “He’s the first that took the 30 grand and said, ‘I understand, Joe. You change your life, I’ll stay out the way.’”
  – Fat Joe [62:09]

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Important Topics & Timestamps

| Topic | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------|-------------| | John Leguizamo introduced | 04:09 | | Comedy vs. gangster roles | 08:17 | | ‘Empire’ movie behind-the-scenes | 09:00–10:04 | | Hollywood's double standard | 10:38–13:44 | | ‘Carlito’s Way’ and Pacino | 14:07–15:19 | | How Scarface influenced real life | 16:13–16:16 | | Portraying Benny Blanco | 17:57–19:11 | | Realities of gangster lifestyle | 51:53–53:43 | | Dear Killer Nannies – Escobar series | 31:08–47:41 | | Touring Pablo Escobar’s Colombia | 43:36–44:49 | | Letting go of dangerous friendships | 61:47–64:51 | | Subtitles and Colombian Spanish | 34:14–34:45 |

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Tone & Style

The episode is conversational, raw, and real—full of playful roasting, mutual respect, and unfiltered storytelling from major figures in hip-hop and film. The tone moves fluidly between hilarious, serious, and reflective, much like the cultures and careers being celebrated and examined.

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Conclusion

John Leguizamo’s visit to Joe and Jada is both a tribute to Latino artists who’ve had to “hustle twice as hard” and a candid dialogue about culture, crime, ambition, and change. The episode delivers a masterclass on Hollywood’s persistent struggles with representation, the emotional legacies of gangster films, and what it means to reclaim your story.
Watch for Leguizamo’s Dear Killer Nannies—out now on Hulu/Disney+.

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Transcript

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

I didn't like the movie the first time I saw it. We all went to the movie.

[John Leguizamo]

I'm telling you, that's a left turn on the highway.

[Fat Joe]

That's a flag.

[John Leguizamo]

I'm driving 90 miles on the highway. That's a flag. A flag on the plate.

[Fat Joe]

Two flags.

[John Leguizamo]

That's three flags. What the hell? What the. You mean you didn't like it?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah. What up, y'? All? This your boy, Joe Crack the dawn.

[Jadakiss]

You know who it is. Your boy Jada Kiss. It's the Joe and Jada Show. Every show, legendary. Every show iconic, unstoppable.

[Fat Joe]

The immortals is here. And I don't know if y' all want.

[Jadakiss]

I don't know if y' all gonna be able to. To handle what's going on here.

[Fat Joe]

You know, the apology is always less louder than the initiation. You know, the apology we gotta get

[Jadakiss]

continue by what you think of today's guest.

[Fat Joe]

All right, you think funny.

[Jadakiss]

You think Queens, New York? You think one man shows like Freak. You think Broadway movie screenshots and now a Spanish language series on Hulu called Dear Killer Nannies. You think of a man who turned pain into punchlines and built a whole career nobody can argue with. When you think about today's guest, you think icon.

[Fat Joe]

Ladies and gentlemen, can I put. Oh, Benny Blanco from the Browns.

[Jadakiss]

You definitely was.

[Fat Joe]

You doing that right now. You was about to.

[Jadakiss]

You kidding me?

[Fat Joe]

You had that one. When you think of today's guest, Benny Blanco from the Bronx.

[Jadakiss]

Benny Blanco from the Bronx did so much for our coaches. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for John Liquid.

[Fat Joe]

Thank you, man.

[John Leguizamo]

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, man. That was great. What a great intro.

[Fat Joe]

I'm like.

[John Leguizamo]

I'm embarrassed. Thank you. You guys are the best, man.

[Jadakiss]

Thanks. Thanks for joining the couch with me and my brother. Our production staff is like the Avengers. They do a great job.

[John Leguizamo]

I mean, you got a serious staff here, man. This is insane. How many people got here? That's a big payroll.

[Jadakiss]

It varies.

[Fat Joe]

Every.

[Jadakiss]

It varies.

[Fat Joe]

Now, let me tell you something. Some artists come up in here with an entourage of like 40. I. You know, I'm old already.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So I've been through every phase.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, yeah, You've seen it all. You've seen it all for real.

[Fat Joe]

So when I see them come in here with a 40 clip, I'm immediately

[John Leguizamo]

thinking, but you're doing the math of that. You're doing.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[John Leguizamo]

How much is that?

[Fat Joe]

Hotel rooms?

[John Leguizamo]

Even if somebody in my family, they're still going to be on the payroll somehow.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, bro.

[John Leguizamo]

And the gas, some of them, those SUVs and the Ubers, that costs money, too. Then they get hungry. Entourage always gets hungry, yo. And you don't want to eat where they eat. You want to eat what you want to eat. And what you want to eat is way more expensive. So that's 100 bucks a pop. So you got 40 deep times $100 a person.

[Fat Joe]

Now, sometimes the female artist coming here with 30 people, and I'm just, You know, the way I do it now, I'm old, man. It's like, I'm sitting on the porch here. I'm looking at it. I'm like, yo, yeah, it's gonna cost you. Costing.

[John Leguizamo]

This is a cautionary tale about to happen.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you know what I mean? Like, you know, I. People all the time, helps people all the time.

[John Leguizamo]

That's what I hear on the street.

[Fat Joe]

It's the truth, though.

[John Leguizamo]

I know.

[Fat Joe]

Like, I mean, truth, like, you know, when I go. When I go to heaven, when I go to meet the man, you know,

[John Leguizamo]

not for a long time.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. But I hope I get, you know, some of these homeless, you know, I got a routine of, like, homeless. You know, one day I'm hanging out with the royal family of Dubai, right?

[John Leguizamo]

Right.

[Fat Joe]

When they come to New York, they only hang out with Fat Joe. They like to eat, too. So they're like, yo, Joe, let's go to a steakhouse. I'm like, no problem. I got my show set up. We're walking there. It's a beautiful day in New York, and everybody's just walking up, and they're like, yo, Joe. And I'm like, honey, here. Honey, here. They don't. That's not in Dubai. That they don't believe in.

[John Leguizamo]

They don't believe in charity?

[Fat Joe]

No. I don't know if they don't believe in chat, but what are you looking out for, them people coming up to you, Joe? I'm like, you know, I know all of them. Yeah. I do that every day in my life.

[John Leguizamo]

Well, that's good. That's good. Given you always put out good. More good comes to you. You're generous. The world will be generous back. I mean, it's karma, isn't it?

[Fat Joe]

That's how I feel.

[Jadakiss]

I think you should find a way to try to write that off.

[John Leguizamo]

Right? I mean, that would. That would be the math.

[Fat Joe]

These homeless, they want cash, man. They're not like, they're my.

[John Leguizamo]

Cash is charity. Cash is charity. It's a charitable donation. 500 something. C. 13.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, shit.

[John Leguizamo]

You know, not for profit.

[Fat Joe]

Yo. You know, Jon, you want to know what's the craziest thing is.

[John Leguizamo]

What's the craziest thing, Joe?

[Fat Joe]

Is that the man is. Is giving you your intro and he says funny. And the last thing I think of John Leguizamo for. Cause he plays such a gangster role in all these movies. Is funny, but the man's funny. I went to your one man show. I seen all your. What was your father's name in the show?

[John Leguizamo]

My father's name, Please.

[Fat Joe]

In the one man show. Festa. What was that?

[John Leguizamo]

Fausta. Fausta. But I try not to say my father's name.

[Fat Joe]

Fausta. Yo, that was hilarious, man.

[John Leguizamo]

But you know, why can't you do both? Why can't you be a comedian? And why can't that both actor. You could do both. You just have to work harder. Because they both demand different things from you. And you just got to deliver on each aspect differently. It's like athletes who can do football and basketball or baseball.

[Fat Joe]

No, we appreciate you for both. It's just a sins get older.

[John Leguizamo]

You got to change up your game anyhow, you know?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. I love. I love all your gangster too. That.

[John Leguizamo]

You know, he wasn't my favorite gangster.

[Jadakiss]

That we did so noise for that.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah. I mean, everybody always talks about that scene when you pop this lever and the rifle flies off in the back of the couch and shotgun. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you the best part of that movie. That. That put me into like a space where I think one of my. My best. Probably my very best gangster song I ever did. My lifestyle. I wrote it whenever we had a break in the trailer.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Cause we was doing that movie and all that gangster shit was going on. I'm. Y' all wanna live my lifestyle. Buck Wild sent me the beat. I wrote the shit on the set of that movie in the trailer. Every time we took a break, I went back up in there. Another bar, another two bars.

[John Leguizamo]

You're like a method rapper. Like you were being gangster and you were writing gangster rap.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but the movie was so gangster.

[John Leguizamo]

It was. I mean, Frank Reagan wrote about his own life. He wrote about his own family and people that he knew in the South Bronx. It was legit. I mean, that's what he was writing about. That's why Empire rock so hard.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, did, man. And even me, you know, whenever it shows up at two in the morning someday I start watching that shit. If it comes on TV at 2 in the morning, I'm like, dude, I

[John Leguizamo]

got to tell that movie was really special because it cost $2 million to make back in the day. And when it came out in December, during Christmas time, it was number eight on, on the billboard. It was number eight against movies that were 50, 60, 100 million. And we were number eight and stayed up there for about a month on the top. That's how hot the movie was.

[Fat Joe]

He was also ahead of his time. Oh, yeah. About somebody want to get out the game and invest in Wall Street. But it was a scam. He had Bernie Madoff before Bernie Madoff

[John Leguizamo]

and also a Latin director, Latin writer, you know, the whole Latin cast. That was way ahead of its time too. And we were making bank. And there should have been an empire to Frank Ray's. The director should have had a ton of movies. If he was a white director and a white writer, he would have been offered everything. And instead, you know, you just got to keep retelling. Please look at this script. Please look at this. You always got to keep begging, and it gets tiring. I think I like to whine and complain. That's right. I like to bitch. So what if I can't complain here? What the fuck?

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm being honest with you. That's. That's really my problem with Hollywood.

[John Leguizamo]

Like, I call it Hollywood because it has been Hollywood for us forever. I mean, I, I have great success in it, but at the same time, it's still not what it should be. You know, I mean, it's still. We're still like. We're 20% of the population. We over index at the box office at 30%. We're a third of sports fans. Where is our 30% of the, of, of the movies, of the, of the casting, of the executives? Where is that? I want that. I want 20%, because that's our, our parody.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna tell you the story. I don't want to keep talking my partner. No, no, no. But there was once a guy, right? And I know he's gonna know. I'm pretty sure he watched who now? He was a good guy. I can't say, but they made him the president of one of the biggest studios.

[John Leguizamo]

Which one?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, my God. Listen, big time, okay? This guy, give us a.

[John Leguizamo]

Give us initials.

[Fat Joe]

This guy was running the show. But. And I knew him, and we have friends in common. Every time I go to la, we would have dinner together and I would sit down and be like, yo, what movie you putting out? Oh, nothing. And I'd be like, yo, but you, you know, you, you, you're. You're in the hot seat, bro. You could, you, you could put out a bunch of Latino movies. Black Movies, this, you're the. He was the man. He answered to no one. This guy was hiding under his desk so long till they figure out, hey, this guy Johnny ain't doing nothing, trying to get rid of him. It's like these people work to get in these positions, then they get. Gunshot.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

They scared to pull the trigger on the movie because if it doesn't succeed, right then they're fired.

[John Leguizamo]

Well, you hit it up. You hit it right there. Because that's what the industry is. It's based on fear. Everybody's afraid of losing their jobs, so everybody's afraid of making a mistake and pulling the trigger. And green lighting shit. I mean, David Staslov, the guy who's doing that big deal. The big merger right now with Warner Brothers, HBO and, and the, and the Ellis 70 billion.

[Fat Joe]

Right, that one.

[John Leguizamo]

Well, his whole thing was zero production. That's how he grows the, the value of the company. But you can't have a production company that doesn't produce you. Of course you're not.

[Fat Joe]

They do.

[John Leguizamo]

Well, he did, but it's a fake, It's a fake premise, bro. It's a Ponzi scheme. That's why they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're on that deal right now because. Yeah. Anyway, that's what we're talking about. Let's talk about my show coming out

[Fat Joe]

before I, before we get into. Well, you're a one man show in regular life.

[Jadakiss]

Before, before we get into the new show. I got, I got some.

[Fat Joe]

Carlito, let's get into.

[Jadakiss]

I got some Caro questions. How was that? Caro is one of the movies that feel like every character was real life.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, it was every.

[Jadakiss]

It feels like they wasn't in character.

[John Leguizamo]

Jada, you were right. I mean. Cause the writer was a New York Puerto Rican judge who wrote about his life growing up in Spanish Harlem. So he knew what he was talking from, you know, and you know, they cast Luis Guzman and myself to bring a little authenticity because, you know, the lead was supposed to be Puerto Rican, but it was played by a white guy playing Puerto Rican, which is, you know, it was what they used to do back in the day. They wouldn't let us be our heroes and ours.

[Fat Joe]

He played a legendary role.

[John Leguizamo]

Yes, that. The white guy.

[Fat Joe]

Al Pacino. Don't do that.

[John Leguizamo]

Why you got to name him, man?

[Fat Joe]

Because he's the legend.

[John Leguizamo]

You won't name that executive, but he'll name Pacino in the movie.

[Fat Joe]

He's a bad motherfucker Al Pacino.

[John Leguizamo]

He is amazing. Amazing.

[Fat Joe]

He's amazing.

[John Leguizamo]

There's a lot of white actors that I respect. I'm not disrespecting them. I still love my white actors.

[Fat Joe]

I think a Latino could have played that role.

[John Leguizamo]

Hell, yeah. Why not? Yo, we had. We had Andy Garcia, we had Benjamin Brat, we had Benicia to. We had tons of people who could have played it, but they wouldn't give us those lead roles. I mean. I mean, Pacino played Latino twice. And how many other brown faces were iconic, though? Yes, that would have made a star.

[Fat Joe]

Scarface. Yes, and fucking Carlito's Way.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, but imagine you put a Latin actor in that role, man, they would have been superstars.

[Fat Joe]

The Latin actor was Benny Blanco from the Blanc. Or was it Sasso, the Pig that Didn't Fly Straight? This fucking movie. Let me tell you something. I didn't like the movie the first time I saw it. We all went to the movie.

[John Leguizamo]

I'm telling you, that's a left turn on the highway.

[Fat Joe]

That's a flag.

[John Leguizamo]

I'm driving 90 miles on the highway. That's a flag. A flag on the plate.

[Fat Joe]

Two flags.

[John Leguizamo]

That's three flags. What the hell? What the fuck you mean you didn't like it?

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you why. I don't know if I want to know why. No, no, no. It ain't even your fault. Nobody's fault. I'm coming off of Scarface. We lived. I mean, if we keeping it real, Scarface, you know, it's you. I know, but Scarface.

[John Leguizamo]

Same director, same director. Brian De Palma, one of the greats.

[Fat Joe]

Scarface kind of like, destroyed my whole crew's life growing up. We sold drugs. Cause of Scarface. We wowed out. We. I remember getting locked up in the. My best friend was Corton, Montana. Rest in peace. He got killed. I remember going to the Priest and getting locked up with him and him. Him in human life, putting his foot on the captain's table. Like, I am Tony Montana and you have a job in. The Nigga was like, shut the fuck up. Get the fuck in the cell. Like, you know, we were brainwashed. So when Carlito's Way came out, we thought it was like Scarface Part 2, right? And when he walks around Spanish Harlem and everybody's like, yo. And we like, oh, shit. You see Chi Chi in that spot? In that. The Chi Chi, rest in peace. Chi Chi, get the yayo. Andrew Salazar, right, Right. He comes up. So I'm thinking Scarface, too. It's on. The whole movie theater thought that by the way. Then it turned into a love story with ballet, with this, with that. But years later, understanding life in the world. That movie's one of the greatest movies ever made in the history of mankind. I got to understand the love story. He's trying to break away.

[John Leguizamo]

Right? Right. Trying to get out the business. And the business won't let him go. Right?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. So at first I'm thinking this Scarface Part two. But then I'm like, yo, this is a fucking love story with a white girl ballet. Like, what the fuck? You was the only person we could relate to in that Scarface. Cause you walking up in there, you Benny Blanco from Bronze. What was that like playing Benny? Was there anybody you thought of, like playing this guy? I knew this guy, grew up with him. What was it?

[John Leguizamo]

It was. It was a cat that I was ha.

[Fat Joe]

With.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, he was a drug dealer. And I shouldn't have been hanging out with him because I didn't realize I was kind of stupid and thought I was invincible somehow. But hanging out with him was really dangerous because his brother had gotten shot just walking around the neighborhood like that. Because they were both drug dealers. Everybody knew who they were. So it was stupid of me to go with him to the. Where he. Stores, where the stash house is and all that. And I was doing all that. So, yeah, I based it on somebody directly. Because that's why I had that kind of fire and juice. But also, Brian De Palma taught me so much, man. He gave me so much love on that movie. So I got to return it. We had just done Carlito, Casualties of War with Sean Penn and Michael J. Fox and Bing Rhames Vietnam movie. And then he cast me as Benny Blanco in the Bronx. And yo, back then, that was real film. 35 millimeter. You, you. You got four or five takes. He gave me 30 takes on my entrance. Cause he enjoyed the crazy shit that I was doing. But that taught me how to act, man. Cause everything I did, I came in, I knocked down the waiters, Trey.

[Fat Joe]

But you walked in.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah, I did.

[Fat Joe]

That was a real drug dealer's walking. Like you had the chest out the like looking at the shit. Like you. You had that shit to a science.

[John Leguizamo]

It was so much fun, man. And Pacino. I was improvising everything. Deima allowed me to put all my friends at my booth in the. In the club in the discotech. I had my ex wife. We won't talk about her. And then all the other people were like, Nelson, bas.

[Fat Joe]

How much she took.

[John Leguizamo]

She took a lot at the time, it was. It was almost 50% of what I had.

[Fat Joe]

Jesus Christ. Yeah, Jesus.

[John Leguizamo]

She's in la. She's not going to hear that.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Jesus is Lord, man.

[John Leguizamo]

Why you. You. You had.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, no.

[John Leguizamo]

Who's had a good divorce? Nobody's had nobody.

[Fat Joe]

But that's quiet in the room. No, no, because you look around. Because, with no disrespect, because I got a lot of friends. They divorce wives. But that's like a. That you consider that a job now? Like, well, you'll lose wives of sex athletes and all that. Like, they're like.

[John Leguizamo]

But.

[Fat Joe]

And then they become businesswoman. Once you give them that 20, 30 million their new. Under their Instagram and everywhere, it's like, yo, this is the business lady from this and this and that. Yeah. And the only business they did was take a nigga's money.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

This is out of control. I'm sitting there like the businesswoman of the year.

[John Leguizamo]

I gotta throw a flag in there before we all get canceled.

[Fat Joe]

And I got a lot of sisters fucking.

[John Leguizamo]

How many ex wives do you have, Joe?

[Fat Joe]

I don't have ex wives. The problem is.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, you just.

[Fat Joe]

Anyway, it's a huge hustle these days. No, it's a huge hustle, but. Yeah. So that. That movie changed my life. Carlito's.

[John Leguizamo]

But you know what? You know what's interesting to me, Joe, is that Scarface, because there's such few Latin representation, and we had no positive representation in that era. It was all like drug dealers. Because everything in Miami Vice, every Latin character was a criminal. And then you. If they had more positive Latin images, would you have gone into a more positive path?

[Fat Joe]

Or.

[Jadakiss]

Or.

[John Leguizamo]

Because Scarface was even a white guy playing, a Latin guy playing.

[Fat Joe]

I was just headed for the wrong path.

[John Leguizamo]

Like, no matter what, I had a

[Fat Joe]

father, he worked his ass off. I had a mother, she worked her ass off. I had love in the crib. And I was just looking for the wrong shit no matter what. So you know what happened? No, it's the truth. I had a father that loved me. He worked his ass off. Like, there was days my father would come home dressed like you and fucking. Just throw himself on the bed. And we saw him the next morning,

[John Leguizamo]

he didn't even eat.

[Fat Joe]

They had that motherfucker working. And my mom, same shit. And I still. The minute I could run to the streets, I ran to the streets. That was very ambitious, you know, Almost like Benny Blanco. I was very ambitious still.

[John Leguizamo]

Very ambitious. That hasn't gone away.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, no, no, no. It's something I'm blessed with because there's so many people that choose to live a mediocre life. They choose to. All right, we did it already. You know, I'm at the point, I ain't even gonna lie to you, if I put my lifestyle down. Gotta put it down. You gotta move somewhere where it's cheaper or something like that. I don't gotta work no more.

[John Leguizamo]

Right.

[Fat Joe]

I could just watch TV and shit.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, you downsize so you could. Yeah, well that's smart. That's a smart move.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, that's a smart move, but not for me. Oh, see, I'm Benny Blanco. I'm still walking out of the game.

[John Leguizamo]

You got all that bling that can't be changed.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I gotta come up in this restaurant, I gotta be in all the hot spots. But I am saying if I ever wanted to get myself a nice affordable middle income, nice house and watch Jeopardy at 7:30, I could do it.

[John Leguizamo]

You could do it. But that's not you. That's not you. You got too much going on.

[Fat Joe]

No, I got to. I'd be in this shit like, you know, that's, that's the story of my life.

[John Leguizamo]

How much does this gig pay you? How much does this gig pay you?

[Fat Joe]

Pay really good.

[John Leguizamo]

How much is really good? I need numbers. I can't. This guy won't give me. He won't give me initials, he won't give me my.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, my xxxxxxx. Ex wife. I'll be coming for some money if she sees the numbers out of this. Huh?

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, that's what you missed.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, you crazy? You don't want Tita from the block coming for lifetime warranty that. Are you crazy? I can't tell them numbers. That's a new thing I don't do though.

[John Leguizamo]

What was that? Was that.

[Fat Joe]

Well, no prenups. No. We come from nothing. Right, right. So everything since the beginning of time of rap music has always been bragging, bravado, boasting, right? You know, fucking Melly Mel, still living the process. He was like shimmerpell. Melly Mel, they was talking about that shit from. But in any case, back in the days when any rapper would get a big check or some new success, they would announce it, right, right. On 97.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

First guy from Brooklyn to make 8 million.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Put that up on the Raptors and the would be running in the street, in the hood like, yo, homeboy made 8 million. Now you be lucky to see me say I made $2. You could figure it out. Do the math.

[Jadakiss]

Look at me.

[John Leguizamo]

I just go look at celebrity worth and I go, boom.

[Fat Joe]

That's not true, though.

[John Leguizamo]

How's it not true? Too little or too much?

[Fat Joe]

I gotta watch that cost more than what they say my net worth is that shit been lying a long time ago. Trust me when I tell you it's way off.

[John Leguizamo]

It's way off beyond. Oh, good. Good to know. Good to know.

[Fat Joe]

But my thing is, I looked it

[John Leguizamo]

up before I came.

[Fat Joe]

I don't brag about.

[John Leguizamo]

Cause I was going, he's worth a lot more than that.

[Fat Joe]

Come on, dad. Yo, bro, I got more sneakers. I got.

[John Leguizamo]

But he says, yo, bro, you know?

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[Fat Joe]

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[Podcast Host/Announcer]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Lily Herman]

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[Fat Joe]

Lewis Hamilton, Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.

[Podcast Host/Announcer]

Wouldn't you know it, Michael Schumacher is

[Fat Joe]

also a Capricorn Sun Cancer Moon.

[Lily Herman]

The story of the sport's most consequential driver strike. We have one man who, upon hearing that he was going to be fired, freaked out and apparently climbed out the window of the bathroom and was Daniel Ricardo's illustrious F1 career a success story, a cautionary tale, or some combination of both? He Started getting all this attention, and he maybe started to think, I'm bigger than this. I'm better. And plenty of other mishaps, scandals, and sagas that have made Formula One a delightful decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years. Listen to no Grip on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jay Shetty]

Hey, I'm Jay Shetty, host of the On Purpose podcast. My latest episode is with Noah Khan, the singer songwriter behind the multi platinum global hit Stick season and one of the biggest voices in music today. Today, Noah opens up about the pressure that followed his rapid success, his struggles with mental health and body image, and the fear of starting again after such a defining moment in his career.

[Noah Kahan]

It's easy to look at somebody and be like, your life must be so sick, man. You have no clue. Talking about the mental illness stuff, it used to be this thing that I was ashamed of. I'm just now trying to unwind this idea that I have to be unhealthy physically or in pain in some emotional way in my life to create good music. If someone says that I did a good job, I'm like, yeah, I'm good. Someone says that I suck, I'm like, I suck. Getting to talk about this is not common for me right now. I need it more than ever.

[Jay Shetty]

Listen to On Purpose with Jay Shetty on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[John Leguizamo]

Anyway, can we talk about my serious.

[Jadakiss]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. Than.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no.

[John Leguizamo]

That's Utopia. Dear killer nannies. Dear killer nannies, man, it's so dope, man. It's the first authorized Pablo Escobar story. And, you know, white actors in America all have to play Hamlet. Hamlet. All Latin actors have to play Pablo Escobar. Toro did it. Javier Bardem did it. Wagner Mara did it. Now I'm doing it, but I think I got the best accent. Yes, sir. Bro, you check it out. You don't.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna watch. I just was watching Pablo yesterday.

[John Leguizamo]

Look at some YouTube Pablo Escobar video, and then look at what I'm doing. See how there's no difference.

[Fat Joe]

Everything I could tell you about Popeye, his. His hitman. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to meet the real Popeye because he's out there.

[John Leguizamo]

No, I didn't get to meet the real Popeye, but I studied his videos and I met his son. Pablo Escobar's son, who changed his name.

[Fat Joe]

Nice guy. Just seen a thing on his wife yesterday, too.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, the dude escaped the sins of his father, escaped the lifestyle. He became a psychologist, travels around the world giving speeches about positivity. Like you really ran away from that. He could have chosen to kept to keep going in the father's because the reason that Pablo is still magnetic is because he's the wealthiest gangster that ever lived in the history of the world. He died with $30 billion. Back then, today's dates would be $70 billion.

[Fat Joe]

Let's do a toast. Three new series. Come on. Two times this guy's called Two Time a Felon. Don't tell me why he wears those shoes. I don't know.

[John Leguizamo]

What kind of shoes is those?

[Fat Joe]

Penny loafers sneakers. Pepper.

[Jadakiss]

Hot stepping.

[Fat Joe]

He got the leakers. He wants to go double viral. And I fell for it, man. Went viral with them astronaut shoes he got on right now.

[John Leguizamo]

Pennies in the penny loafers, yo.

[Fat Joe]

He got sneaker penny loafers. You got a penny in the penny loafers. That's the question. He got the cinnamon lower cartels on you. Oh, he got the sitting lowest.

[John Leguizamo]

That laugh is the best. Oh, shoot. Those are sneaker penny loafers.

[Fat Joe]

Who the advice? I never know. I've never seen those. Those are the skedaddles, yo. A toast to the new series.

[Jadakiss]

1800 Toaster Dear Killer Nannies. Streaming now. Hulu Disney Plus. Let's hear about it. Make sure we all go check it out. Enjoy it. I started watching the trailer, right?

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jadakiss]

And I understand Spanish much better than I speak it. But it started getting real. It started getting. I needed to call somebody.

[Fat Joe]

It got over. You gotta read it sometimes.

[Jadakiss]

Leave no sub. I try to get in, you know.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, you try to do it without subtitles. Like try to go like duolingo with it.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no. You need subtitles. Especially Colombia. They talk that.

[John Leguizamo]

They talk fast. Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, man. I try to talk to my mother in law. She told you what you eating for breakfast?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

She told you the whole menu, bro. And one that shit. Go that shit out of here. You like? Oh, what? What? Papaya. What? Like now they motherfuckers talk fast.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah, they talk fast.

[Fat Joe]

You need the subtitles, you know, I want to see that series because to me, thus far the best Pablo was the cheapest version, which was like a Pablo Nola.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Oh my God, that guy was good.

[John Leguizamo]

That guy was better than me.

[Fat Joe]

Don't say that.

[John Leguizamo]

I'm gonna admit that. I'm gonna admit that.

[Fat Joe]

That guy was really good, huh?

[John Leguizamo]

Incredible, man. Because he looked like him. He spoke like.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, the novella guy.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah. That guy was killer.

[Fat Joe]

Yep.

[John Leguizamo]

But I'm better than all the other North American actors. I'm. I am. I am

[Fat Joe]

saying for you, I'm watching this shit with 20 black guys. Every time that shit came on, we in the studio in Miami, we all watch him reading the subtitle. We didn't miss one part.

[John Leguizamo]

Dude, that series is incredible. 80 episodes. But you didn't watch it

[Fat Joe]

every day.

[John Leguizamo]

Not 80 episodes. You're too busy making money. How's that celebrity world gonna get bigger if you.

[Fat Joe]

If you watch tv? We were recording pretty podcast. We was in the studio 20 deep every night watching that. Pablo, I believe you when it first came out.

[John Leguizamo]

But watch this series, man, because the sun gave us all the intel on what was happening behind closed doors. And even though Pablo was this sociopath gangster assassin, he showed love to his kids. Like hugged and kissed. And in Columbia back in the 80s, pops were tough love. They weren't hugging and kissing like my dad when I was growing up, he was like, every day you get stupider by the moment. Congratulations. How do you become even stupider than yesterday? That was love back then. Yeah, but not Pablo, because Pablo was on death's door all the time. So he hugged his son, kissed him, said I love you publicly and everything.

[Fat Joe]

He got his family say what he got.

[John Leguizamo]

You always get vulnerable. They tell gangsters you have children, that's your new Achilles heel. That's how they're going to get you. And that's how they got him, man.

[Fat Joe]

What a fucking story, man. I was just. It's crazy. I'm so. I don't know if it's a pause, but. Infatuated with Pablo and his lifestyle. I was just. Yesterday, I'm watching the story of his wife and how he met her. He met her really, really young. Well, he.

[John Leguizamo]

They were both young, but she was really mad young.

[Fat Joe]

He was like.

[John Leguizamo]

She was teen. Yeah, it was. It was cancellable young.

[Jadakiss]

How old was he?

[Fat Joe]

He was 21.

[John Leguizamo]

21, but still. I mean that. It's still way too young. No, that's not right.

[Fat Joe]

Back in the days was that.

[John Leguizamo]

It wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't the 1800s. It was 1980. Come on. It was still not cool.

[Fat Joe]

It was not appropriate, crazy. It wasn't cool.

[John Leguizamo]

No, but he had. He had mad power and he thought he could do whatever the he wanted. So he thought that. Yeah, but that's wrong.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, that was wrong. Now, Pablo did a lot of foul. Of course, if you believe wife is alive.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah, she's still alive. Yeah, yeah. He's got two kids and his son is doing great, man. He. He authorized this show. He consulted on it. He talked to the writers. There's dialogue in here that I go, there's no way. This is incredible. This is not dialogue. These are spoken words that had a life. These words were actually said. And when he confronts his father, because the kid couldn't go to school. Cause the DEA would catch him or he'd be assassinated. And the kids were scared of him. So he had to be homeschooled. And so Pablo got him these assassin nanny teachers that were his nannies, teachers, friends and family. But, you know, you can't control them. Yeah, but you can't control them either because they're not families. So some of them became informants. Pablo had to kill them. The kid doesn't know what to do now. He's like, these people were my family, my friends, and you killed them. And he says to him, what do you do if mom crosses you, you're going to kill her. If grandma looks at you the wrong way, you're going to kill her. These are actual words that the son talks to that.

[Fat Joe]

You want to know what's crazy about being a gangster, especially in America? Well, it's everywhere, but especially in America is God forbid you born with the name Gotti. Like John Gotti. You could be the 17th grandson. You're already a criminal, you're in school, and they looking at you like you're a mafia boss. They on your ass. They don't want to hear nothing. They lock up anybody. You know what I noticed about life say, is still feeding Pablo Escobar. His son is giving the rights to the movie. So they still eating off the father's

[John Leguizamo]

last name, but he's not taking the 30 billion that he could have had.

[Fat Joe]

I know, but what I'm saying, that we know of. But listen, right? What we saying is this, right? I'm not even glorifying that like that. What I'm saying is when you look at the Roman empires and the movies and all that, everybody always kept caring about their name. They were like, I'll break down every statue with your face on it. Your name will never be told in the streets. This, this, this, that. And it's all about your name. So these kids, if you born Jonathan Gotti from fucking Pre K, they looking at you like, he's going to federal prison. He's a Gotti. He's gonna go. And Pablo's son's probably one of the only who escaped the life in this Shit escaped the lifestyle for the enemy not to murder him.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Cause you know what? You kill so many people.

[John Leguizamo]

Absolutely. He had to change his family.

[Fat Joe]

They want to kill. Absolutely.

[John Leguizamo]

Absolutely.

[Jadakiss]

He was in it.

[Fat Joe]

Oh no, he's in it.

[John Leguizamo]

Well, he was a kid. His dad was shot at when he was 19 years old. So he didn't really get into the game and his dad was protecting him from that. But when his dad got shot, he was only 19 and he left and he changed his name. The mom took them away from the country. They moved out, went incognito. And then he resurfaced after they had taking down the enemies that the government had taken them all down. Then he. Then they resurfaced. But they was years.

[Fat Joe]

They moved to Bolivia or something. But you want to know what's crazy? If you think about Griselda, she went back to Colombia. They murdered her on the motorcycle. Guy came and murdered her the first day she touched down.

[John Leguizamo]

Wow.

[Fat Joe]

Colombia. She was like Pablo, you know, she was killing everything too. They killed her, they let her live. And the minute. Who killed her?

[John Leguizamo]

Was that Pablo's people or was that the other cartel?

[Fat Joe]

Just Columbia. She killed so many people.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

That's what I'm trying to tell you.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, the people gonna come after you. Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Somebody. You know, unfortunately, when you see these movies and they see the little kid, what we gonna do with the little kid? They usually kill the little kid because he knows coming back, you know, we killed this whole family.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, he's gonna be. He's gonna want vengeance some time.

[Fat Joe]

So this guy's very lucky that he's able to even.

[John Leguizamo]

It's amazing how you know the psychology of it all. I mean, he's like a Wikipedia on gangster ism. Gangsterism, hoodism.

[Jadakiss]

Kid's gonna come back, kill.

[John Leguizamo]

But not this kid, because this kid left alive.

[Fat Joe]

Chilling. Yeah, his mother too. His mother's like an advisor or something like.

[John Leguizamo]

But it's true. I mean, what happened to his $30 billion or 70 billion?

[Fat Joe]

Now I know it's there.

[John Leguizamo]

It's there somewhere.

[Fat Joe]

Do they keep finding this money and shit like that?

[John Leguizamo]

No, nobody's. Nobody's found anything.

[Fat Joe]

There's a whole bunch of stories out about decayed, rotted. There's a farmer's story circulating about a farmer. There was one farmer that found a bunch of money and they turned it in. He turned it in, Mark.

[John Leguizamo]

They. Mark bills too, aren't they, Mark? Bills? Some of them.

[Fat Joe]

No, it's old school money, but it was like 600 million you got a former. He find 700 million each. He's like, yo, get that out of here. In 2020, his nephew found like 18 million in. In one of an apartment in Medellin. And his nephew gave it up.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, I found. Yeah, I found.

[Fat Joe]

Nephew gave it back. Who gave it back out of here. Let me explain. Say to you, this is the problem I have.

[John Leguizamo]

What is the problem you have?

[Fat Joe]

You will understand this.

[John Leguizamo]

Maybe. I hope so.

[Fat Joe]

That the world villainizes people, right? Martin Luther King was murdered. Right now there's a Martin Luther King highway everywhere. There's a Martin Luther King high school, Joe Louis, they drove him crazy for taxes. The man was looking out the window, the box at Joe Lewis, thinking the government was coming to kill him because he owned taxes. Now you got Joe Louis highways, you got Joe Louis school.

[John Leguizamo]

But these were heroes. I mean, they were heroes to us, right? Well, to them, they did good things.

[Fat Joe]

So what I'm trying to tell you is my daughter went to Columbia and she went to the museum of Pablo Escobar with the plane on top, the high seat. They still making money off this man that they murdered and they called him a criminal and they assassinated and he was the biggest shit in the world to this day. Colombia is making money off of fucking Pablo Esque, Right?

[John Leguizamo]

But they have a. They have a. They have a hate relationship with Pablo. They do not love him in Colombia because.

[Fat Joe]

Well, who's making the money?

[John Leguizamo]

I don't know who's making.

[Fat Joe]

They take you on.

[John Leguizamo]

Pablo is making the money off of this show. But that's not like.

[Fat Joe]

That's not 30 billion. I'm saying if we went tourists to Colombia and we want to see.

[John Leguizamo]

Hey, don't denigrate my country. We want.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, my wife's Colombian.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, okay. All right.

[Fat Joe]

You got good taste. Thank you. But what a little.

[John Leguizamo]

A little. A little Colombia Requa.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. Colombo, Rico, we got that. But what I'm saying to you is if we wanted to go to a tour of Pablo Escobar.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah. And you did it.

[Fat Joe]

There's people doing it right now.

[John Leguizamo]

Well, I went to all the locations where he lived, all his. His. The. The big zoo that he had. I did all that when we were shooting because we shot it in Colombia, in Medellin, near all the places that he actually did live.

[Fat Joe]

Wow.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, he did, you know. You know, he had a big zoo and he had hippos.

[Fat Joe]

Thousand animals, they said.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah. And. And they let the hippos out in. Into like our. Our Mississippi type river, Magdalena. It's infested with hippos. You know, hippos are the most dangerous animals on the planet.

[Jadakiss]

They let them go in the water.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[John Leguizamo]

And they multiplied into the hundreds now, so they don't have to go out and clear, you know, do it with, with PETA, you know, approval. Euthanize them.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, yo. Ain't nothing.

[John Leguizamo]

Did I, did I sidetrack too much?

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no.

[John Leguizamo]

I have adhd. I'm sorry. My brain goes everywhere. Oh, okay, cool.

[Fat Joe]

Now this show, you know.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You give us all you got, brother.

[John Leguizamo]

I'm trying. I'm trying, baby.

[Fat Joe]

We are here, you know, I'm here for you. Trying to make this shit happen. You know what I mean? So I'm definitely watching this series.

[John Leguizamo]

Dude. It's an all Spanish language show. I did the dubbing too for those people who don't like to read Jadakiss.

[Jadakiss]

You can read it.

[John Leguizamo]

You could. You do the duolingo thing and just watch it and not understand it. But I love that about him.

[Fat Joe]

I love that this actor. There's a famous actor every time they do something in Colombia. It's a little guy with red hair. He's always in all the Pablo movies. What fucking movie I watched last night? I watched this called Agent Zenna. And he was one of the fucking spies in the movie too. Was based out of Columbia.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, wow.

[Fat Joe]

You know the redhead Colombian actor he played in that novella? He was, he was Gustavo. Gustavo in the, in the novella. But he makes all the Spanish speaking movies. He's.

[John Leguizamo]

He's moving legit.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, he must have been in my movie. He has to be in that movie.

[John Leguizamo]

He must have been in my series. Made a legit seal of approval. Yeah, I don't know that cat. No, but dude, I mean, this series is so cool because it's all from the POV of the kid. So it's. It's because obviously the son gave us all the info, the intel on it, and it's all from the. His point of view of growing up with these killer nannies that protected him and raised him and. And he lived this wild life that he was able to escape anyhow. Which is the biggest beautiful part of the show is that you see him hit 19. He starts off as a little guy and his dad is loving and caring, but the dad has to like move them out of one place to the next because they're onto him. He has to sometimes not be with them so that he's a decoy so I don't blow up his family, you know? So you're constantly living in paranoia so it can't be a good lifestyle bro, even if you have $30 billion to live like that.

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[Noah Kahan]

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[Jay Shetty]

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[John Leguizamo]

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[Fat Joe]

I think society is going to decide that creators of AI products bear a tremendous amount of responsibility to products we put out in the world.

[John Leguizamo]

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[Fat Joe]

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[John Leguizamo]

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[Fat Joe]

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[John Leguizamo]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

Well, he did it longer than most gangsters out here. Now, all the gangsters I ever knew,

[Jadakiss]

Pablo, run crazy, bro.

[Fat Joe]

All these gangsters. Now you party for a year, right? You fuck every stripper you ever wanted to. You buy them watches, all type of shit. You drive around, fly for one year, then you get a good old 40 years for it from the feds. You have a one year run, right? You the guy, you taco 104. You, you running shit. You and starlets. I'm just trying to tell you, champagne run, you know, come through. You Got one year run. You wore the fly jacket for a year. Next thing you know, you got to meet Jada kissing Fat Joe. Yo, what's up? Next thing you know, you in there telling that story for 40 years. How you was running shit in 20,

[John Leguizamo]

19 and four time.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, it ain't no problem. No Escobar, where you get to fucking be on the run for 15 years. This and this and that. AB's in the building.

[John Leguizamo]

No, I'm glad you're saying that, man, because that needs to be said that not to romanticize or idolize this type of lifestyle. Because it's a short term, you know, it's a short term deal. It's a short term goal.

[Fat Joe]

It's not right about now with all these cameras and all that. It's the shortest.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh shit, forget it.

[Fat Joe]

Think of Jesse Smolley yet that you know. They're about to fake beat him up and they put the cameras all the way back to the. Got out the car with the. He was rehearsing. They caught him on film in the studio rehearsing the Mojo. When you punch me to the left, Imma look that way. You put this out of control, huh? This y' all this out of control. Yo, they sick out here.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, I know, dude. Now they're gonna have. They're gonna have drones that can follow you without no more police car chases. A drone is going to follow you till you stop. That's the new thing coming. Yes, the heat seeking drone and comes after you till you. Till they get you.

[Fat Joe]

No gangsterism is done. You're done.

[John Leguizamo]

You got the police station.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. This out of control right now. Well, thank God, because some of these is crazy.

[Jadakiss]

They're gonna have drones that follow you to you.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. Yeah, yes. Windows come.

[John Leguizamo]

Don't make any plans.

[Fat Joe]

I swear to God. They're using them in Jersey chasing dudes with the drone.

[John Leguizamo]

Really?

[Fat Joe]

The dudes hiding in the thing and they'd be like, come out. No, no, no, no.

[John Leguizamo]

They got those dude with Palantir and Oracle in our government. That's. They're going to follow you. They're going to use your, your ring in your house. They're going to use your nest in your house, your, your, your whatever stupid vacuum cleaner, Zumba, Roomba thing. They're going to use all that to, to look at you, find you, GPS you, and you're going to be controlled. They're going to lock you in your house. It's crazy. It's coming. Palantir will get all your info, info and data and combines it all to find out where you are, what you're doing, and predict your behavior.

[Fat Joe]

Like the movies we used to see.

[John Leguizamo]

Yes, but now it's a reality.

[Fat Joe]

Let me ask you a question. Right?

[John Leguizamo]

Do you can ask me anything?

[Fat Joe]

Movies prepare us for, like, where we're going in life, like some shit.

[John Leguizamo]

Well, sci fi does. I think sci fi definitely does prepare us for a future because it's all imagination and these writers have to.

[Fat Joe]

I don't think it's imagination. I think some of this shit is like they're letting us know, hey, some

[John Leguizamo]

of this research, 20 years from now,

[Fat Joe]

you ask, you know, George Justin had FaceTime. Beats George.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Jane, his wife. Now we got FaceTime.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, yeah. For real. You thought that was never coming.

[Fat Joe]

Now you take a shit, you press the wall and it flushes. That was George Jetson at that time. We was up on the Flingstones with the bullshit car. But George Jessup was letting me know.

[John Leguizamo]

Food on a tray. Remember the food used to come out on a conveyor belt. And the Jetsons, we got that.

[Fat Joe]

A lot of times when movies win awards, like the Oscars and all that, I'm like the guy who goes, watches it the next day.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I had never saw Begonia.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, Begonia is crazy.

[Fat Joe]

That shit was.

[John Leguizamo]

That was crazy, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, how incredible was this movie?

[John Leguizamo]

I don't know how I felt about movie, bro. I had a bit of a hard time with it because of the female violence. I'm, I, I, I, I was like, what's your point, bro? Oh, I'm never going to work for him now.

[Fat Joe]

Thanks a lot, Yargos.

[John Leguizamo]

I, I was talking out of. I was talking smack about Yargos. What the is wrong with me?

[Fat Joe]

Guess what she blew up.

[John Leguizamo]

What is in this drink, bro?

[Fat Joe]

Yo, that's true serum or some best ever. But let me tell you something.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, I can't believe I said that.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, that was a bugged out movie, though.

[John Leguizamo]

Say what?

[Fat Joe]

It was bugged the out.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Good movie, Begonia.

[John Leguizamo]

It was interesting.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta watch that. Them boys.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, watch it.

[Fat Joe]

Them boys was crazy. The man. I had to double watch that movie. I said, yo, email crazy. The whole time I'm looking, I'm like,

[John Leguizamo]

give him the ending. Spoil the ending for everybody.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you about about.

[John Leguizamo]

He won't do it.

[Fat Joe]

One thing that happened with that movie, that was crazy. Don't get in my zone. They had the dumb cousin.

[John Leguizamo]

Don't, don't, don't, don't say no.

[Fat Joe]

No, don't say no.

[John Leguizamo]

Because the kid because he's not. He's not acting. He's that. Oh, no, no, no. He's a. He's just.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no. God bless. I got a special needs.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, yeah, he's special.

[Fat Joe]

Last thing I'm doing is playing with anybody.

[John Leguizamo]

I know. He's real special needs. That wasn't accurate.

[Fat Joe]

I didn't know that.

[John Leguizamo]

No, no, that's why. That's why I wanted to alert you.

[Fat Joe]

But, no, no, no, no, no. God forbid that. He did a phenomenal job.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah, it was incredible. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know. I just.

[Fat Joe]

What I'm saying is. I didn't know. But what I'm saying to you is it's like we got an inside joke, right?

[John Leguizamo]

What's that?

[Fat Joe]

You know. You know, Terror Squad's my crew.

[John Leguizamo]

Hell, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Rap label, whatever, from way back when. And now we say you're the leader. I'm not.

[John Leguizamo]

You're the what?

[Fat Joe]

I'm not the leader. Right? So, you know, now they try to lock record labels up. Like if they're gangs, like the Mafia. So everybody we hand on the turf, we'd be like, yo, Serge, guess what? You the leader now. I don't want it no more. Like, even the dumbest guy in Terror Squad calls me back. Not Serge, in two seconds. I am not the leader. I am not the leader. You are the leader. You are the leader. Nobody wants to be the leader no more.

[John Leguizamo]

No, no, no.

[Fat Joe]

Not the leader. And. And if you ever notice in the movies, they always take somebody with a little low IQ and they put him there and they use him. You know what I'm saying? Like, we used to call that throwing the battery in the back when you had a guy that you knew he wasn't that smart and you could gas him to do anything.

[John Leguizamo]

Right, right, right.

[Fat Joe]

You'd be like, yo, that guy don't like him. Maybe he should get shot in his head. I don't know. This, this. That motherfucker Johnny Two Time, be like, really? The lady said he don't like that. Yeah, yeah, the guy don't like that guy. See what happens. Like, yo, this guy, I had one guy came home, I had one guy. Okay, let me just end this over. I never told this story. We had one guy we grew up with, and let me tell you something, this guy was dangerous, right?

[John Leguizamo]

Like a sociopath.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, he was dangerous. Well, some of these guys, we just thought they were real guys in the hood. Some of them were serial killers.

[John Leguizamo]

Right, right.

[Fat Joe]

But this. Well, anyway, one day, we four deep, we in the Jeep, this is the 80s, and we trying to rap to some girls. You know, Fat Joe got his shirt on. You know, I used to go topless, my jewels on, you know? Yeah. I never was ashamed of being a fat guy. And let me tell you something. When them police come for murder, I've been there three times. When them police come for murder, they come with tanks, with trucks, with lights, with this. They come with so many police cars.

[Jadakiss]

Technology.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, not technology. They.

[Jadakiss]

They.

[Fat Joe]

They know you killing. They're coming to get the killer. So what I'm trying to say is, anyway, we get locked up, they throw us on the floor. No reason. Nice hot day like today. Everybody's on the floor. We go into precinct, we turn around, and the one guy, he's looking at us, and he's like. And we don't know. We joking. We don't know what we in there for. He's like, Guys, remember what happened over there at that, you know, we heard about the guy, got shot in the neck. I won't be seeing y' all for a while. He knew what they came for. We had no clue. We over here. Suck my dick. Your mother. We. We don't know what we getting locked up for. We. We. He got locked up. So he did about 15, 20 years or something.

[John Leguizamo]

Damn.

[Fat Joe]

And everybody was coming back from jail. Like, when you know how you go to jail to visit. Now, they used to come back and be like, yo, y' all got one. Y' all got one. This motherfucker was stabbing everybody in there. They was like, y' all got damn one. There's a guy named Such and Such. Y' all got one. He laying it down in there. So Legend, he comes home from jail. I'm already Fat Joe the rapper. I'm in Jimmy's Bronx Cafe. You probably was in there with your girlfriend.

[John Leguizamo]

Jimmy's Cafe was the bomb, man.

[Fat Joe]

The minute vip. And they go, joe, look who just came home. Such and such. Look at the guy. He comes home, he's like this. I said, man, I heard everything about you, man. He was like, yeah. I said, man, you was putting in that work. Legendary, man. He was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was like, man, my sister had just passed. I'm sorry. Lisa used to write me this, that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I said, look, man, wearing my pocket, I pulled out like, 20, 30,000. I said, yo, here you go.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, what?

[Fat Joe]

I could never hang out with you in my life. Wow.

[John Leguizamo]

That was incredible. Paid him to get. Stay away from you.

[Fat Joe]

He's the first that understood. As dumb as we could Say he.

[John Leguizamo]

We.

[Fat Joe]

He's probably is. He's the first that took the 30 grand and said, I understand, Joe. You change your life, I'll stay out the way.

[John Leguizamo]

That's cool.

[Fat Joe]

He went and got shot the UP about a week later, like this guy. And you lost 30k magnet? No, I don't give a fuck. I'm just like, the guy was really my friend.

[John Leguizamo]

Oh, word.

[Fat Joe]

And he. He honors. Yeah.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah. That was hard to tell.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, Y signed the Declaration of Independence. He was in jail. They was coming back like, yo, this guy is putting in work for y' all guys in jail. Somebody say something about Fat Joe, it's over in there. So when he comes home, I like, yo, I can't hang out with you.

[John Leguizamo]

No, you can't.

[Fat Joe]

You.

[John Leguizamo]

You can't bring that in your life.

[Fat Joe]

You're gonna kill the whole Madison Square Garden. I can't hang out.

[John Leguizamo]

Give me part of that.

[Fat Joe]

We got enough. We got a locomotive. We waiting for one to come home soon. Friend of mine been in jail, what, 30, what, 37 years? I almost got locked up with it. But we waiting for a locomotive to come. He's also getting the cash treatment, and we cannot.

[John Leguizamo]

But that was a long time ago. What is it now? It can't be 30k. It's gotta be more double.

[Fat Joe]

Might be like 50,000. We send him money every week for 37 years. But what I'm saying to you is I cannot be with this guy.

[John Leguizamo]

No, you can't.

[Fat Joe]

They know it. I said, yo, good, good. There's a guy. No, no, you can't. There's a guy they all know. I said, there's a guy. He's gonna come in here, talk to you like he runs this. He probably might take any outfit he wants in the store. He'd do whatever the he want. Don't argue with the guy. Just call me up. I'm coming, and I'm gonna come. Severance package,

[John Leguizamo]

your parachute.

[Fat Joe]

Guess what, my brother? I love you. I cannot hang out with you.

[John Leguizamo]

No, you can't.

[Fat Joe]

This guy beat up so much, he got metal plates in his chest from the cops.

[John Leguizamo]

You know, I had a friend like that when I was growing up. He.

[Jadakiss]

He.

[John Leguizamo]

He used to do. He used to do tapes of kung fu movies and sell them in Times Square. And, and he had this cat living with him, and the cat took his. He was a drug addict and he took his. His video recording machine that he copied the kung fu tapes on and sold it on the street for crack. And my friend, I'm not gonna say his name hit the dude with a lead pipe and murdered him. He had to go to jail. And then he used to write me all the time and wanted to meet up after he came out, like years and years, years later, I go.

[Fat Joe]

I was like, you know, he's a murder.

[John Leguizamo]

Yeah. I'm like, we can't, dude. I mean, we just can't hang. I'm in a different lifestyle. I'm a different person. I'm. My whole life is going to a path of cleanliness, goodness. You know, that's not the path that I want to be a part of. And, you know, he. He turned Christian. He's a born again Christian and whatnot. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's good for him.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. It's like.

[John Leguizamo]

And I don't mean to disparage him at all.

[Fat Joe]

No.

[John Leguizamo]

I'm just saying, you know, you come to. Yeah, I don't want to bring that into my life.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. The problem is, right, is that all of us came from somewhere and it was so hard to get to where we at and be legit.

[John Leguizamo]

You don't want to make those kind of mistakes.

[Fat Joe]

Somebody crazy to be hanging out with you. Exactly. To put you in a position where you throw everything away from your family and all that. Trying to keep it real. I'm done with keeping it real on that level.

[John Leguizamo]

Absolutely. That's a smart move. It's a smart move.

[Fat Joe]

Right or wrong? Absolutely. I got an uncle. I'll tell this last story and then we're going to cut, ok? These motherfuckers y' all fucking up my vibe. Let me tell you something. This is a classic. This is a fucking classic. We're number one for a reason. I know when we got one, ok. My uncle was in jail since I was three years old. Another guy, legend, Legend, legend, legend. He was stabbing motherfuckers in jail up to the wall. Like, wow. Hey, like, the killers I know were scared of him. Like, he's one of the founding members of a crew called the Rat Hunters.

[John Leguizamo]

Wow. Never heard of them. Whatever.

[Fat Joe]

You never heard of them?

[John Leguizamo]

What era is that?

[Fat Joe]

The whole fucking New York State jail is the Rat Hunters.

[John Leguizamo]

What do you have? Was it 80s or 70s? 70s, 70s, 70s.

[Fat Joe]

So they got pictures of him all over my house and they like, yo, that's Uncle Jabu. This, you know, I know him well. And the guys who I respect are coming home from jail. They're like, yo, met your uncle, yo. That n. He held me down. I was under his umbrella. And these are dangerous guys. He's one of them guys when you go up there to speak, he was one of them guys that dumb guys look at and be like, jesus Christ. Like, that's your nephew, like, right? So he comes home from jail. My whole family called me. They say, yo, Jack, Boo got home from jail. He wants to see you. I knew this day was coming. Just like we got Locomotive coming out soon, too. So I go in the car, I pick him up in the job. Fat Joe, the rapper. I already shot the movie with John Lego Zama. I get in the car with him. I know everything about you. Joey Crack Farnese Project. This is that. You did good, nephew. Everybody, he talk good about you in there. This, this that you put in work. This and that. You see, I need you to take me to Newark, New Jersey. They got this and this and that for me, waiting. I said, you ever seen the car? Like, when somebody dies in the car, that. It just crash. It goes to the side. I never forget. I was on East Street Mart, that gas station on East Streetmont by the car wash. That fucking car went like this. I said, I went in my pocket, I pulled out like 20,000. I said, Uncle, I can't hang out with you. I'm so sorry. He said, nephew, I understand. I understand. He takes the money, gets out the car. He eventually became Kingpin. He died, but he became Kingpin.

[Jadakiss]

Wow.

[Fat Joe]

He came home after 20 something years. I started seeing him in the clubs, popping bottles. Benz's beam is outside. Big ass, he, you know, he's the rat hunter. He's not telling. They give him anything in the street. You understand what I'm saying? But that nigga, boy, that shit took two minutes. I said, here's how this is going to work.

[John Leguizamo]

But you carry some. You carry a lot of cash in your pockets, bro. That shit makes me feel vulnerable. 30,000 at a time.

[Fat Joe]

I cash my whole life. It's fucked up because now they look at you like you an alien. If you pull out cash in the street.

[John Leguizamo]

Cat, nobody uses cash.

[Fat Joe]

They want cash. I'm in the gas station, I go get a sugar free Red Bull. They like no cash, no cash, no cash. I'm like, what the fuck? They want a credit card. This ain't that.

[Jadakiss]

That ain't this.

[Fat Joe]

It's cracking.

[Jadakiss]

Kiss on Hulu Disney Plus.

[Fat Joe]

I'm watching tonight.

[Jadakiss]

That's right.