John Wall on NBA Slam Dunk GOATs, Wizards & Kentucky, Allen Iverson & Lil Wayne

Summary

Joe and Jada – John Wall on NBA Slam Dunk GOATs, Wizards & Kentucky, Allen Iverson & Lil Wayne

Host: Fat Joe & Jadakiss
Guest: John Wall
Release Date: September 16, 2025

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Overview

This episode features NBA star John Wall joining hip-hop legends Fat Joe and Jadakiss for a wide-ranging conversation that blends deep basketball insights, hilarious storytelling, and respect for hip-hop culture. Topics include Wall’s transition to broadcasting, his Kentucky roots, behind-the-scenes NBA life, reflections on Rucker Park, the state of the NBA game, and lively debates about the greatest dunkers, point guards, and who’s really moving the culture. The chemistry among the hosts and Wall leads to an episode rich with untold stories, big laughs, and characteristically blunt opinions.

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Key Topics & Discussion Highlights

John Wall’s New Chapter: Broadcasting & Life After the NBA

• Transitioning to Amazon Prime Analyst

  • Wall talks about joining Amazon Prime as an NBA studio analyst, working in LA alongside legends like Dwyane Wade, Steve Nash, Udonis Haslem, Candace Parker, Dirk Nowitzki, Blake Griffin, and Rudy Gay.
    • “Just being in a space where I get to talk basketball … it’s my next career.” (03:26)
    • Wall retired earlier this year: “Something I didn't want to do, but it was a perfect time. Had the next chapter coming and I’m taking the full head of steam.” (03:26)
  • He describes the emotional 'bittersweet' decision to retire, efforts to get back on the court, and finding fulfillment in his new broadcasting path. (04:56–05:47)

• Staying Around the Game

  • Wall emphasizes how important it is for former players to stay connected to basketball:
    • “I can still be around the game, but I just won’t be on the court no more… I wanted to leave on my terms.” (05:34)

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Kentucky Days: Forming a Brotherhood and Rock Star Status

• Deciding on Kentucky

  • Wall details his mother's influence and ultimate support:
    • “She was like, don’t pick the school for me. Do what’s best for you. And I was glad that happened because I knew where I really wanted to be.” (07:24)
  • The Kentucky team’s rise to rock star fame, high expectations, and brotherhood, particularly with DeMarcus Cousins, Patrick Patterson, and Eric Bledsoe. (08:10–09:39)
  • “College basketball didn't have that much excitement until we came. …We brought that excitement back.” (09:26)

• Bond with DeMarcus 'Boogie' Cousins

  • Wall recounts their friendship since age 13 and their pact to go to college together.
    • “From that day forward, we, like, we gonna go to college together.” (11:32)

• Pressures of Being a Top Prospect

  • On fame in high school and avoiding trouble:
    • “There was a lot of pressure. But… it wasn’t no camera. It was no social media back then, so I didn’t have to worry… You had to come see me to see what was really going on.” (12:33)

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NBA Rookie Years & the Wizards

• Draft Night & Early Years in D.C.

  • Drafted #1, Wall thought he might end up in New Jersey but wound up close to home in D.C.; shares draft process nerves and excitement (33:21–34:20).

• On D.C. Nightlife and Adjusting to Big City Life

  • Wall stayed focused early in his career, didn’t join the club scene until years later when he felt established. (34:46)

• Rookie Hazing Stories

  • “Gotta have a snack bag… donuts in there in the morning before everybody get their newspapers. …You might get thrown into a cold tub.” (35:22–35:55)

• Life Lessons from the Vets

  • Fat Joe shares stories about players sleeping with cash in their bathtubs; Wall reflects on NBA money culture and respecting rookie dues. (36:24–37:04)

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Facing NBA Greats & On-Court Legends

• First Time Guarding AI and Kobe

  • Wall describes chills facing Allen Iverson (“You getting the chills… after the first play it’s basketball”) and Kobe, including blocking Kobe’s shot as a rookie. (37:18–38:10)

• Fast Point Guards Era

  • Talks about going up against Derrick Rose, Westbrook, De’Aaron Fox, and Monta Ellis (“That was the first time somebody was quicker than me” – on D. Rose) (39:19–39:54)
  • Wall shares the grind of facing elite PGs nightly (56:15+).

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Deep Dives: Coaching, the Modern Game, and IQ

• NBA’s Modern Three-Point Obsession

  • Fat Joe, Wall, and Jadakiss lament the shift away from midrange and smart basketball:
    • “If you shoot them in range on certain teams … it’s threes or layups. That’s what the league has evolved into now.” (46:30)
    • “Smart guys win championships. Can’t be a dummy.” (48:30)

• What Makes Jokic and European Centers Different

  • Discussion on how overseas players develop better fundamentals (“They’re more fundamental… they learn how to play fundamental before they play 5 on 5.” – Wall, 50:07)

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Rucker Park Stories & The Culture

• Electricity of Rucker Park

  • Fat Joe and Jadakiss reminisce about NBA stars at The Rucker and why not everyone is built for streetball.
    • “Some of them wasn’t built for that. And they were … All Stars.” (51:02)
    • “[Kobe] lacing up at the park… the whole park is just electrified.” (50:36)
  • KD’s legendary Rucker game—unstoppable shooting, whole crowd swarming (52:31–53:21)

• Genealogy of Dunk Contests & NBA Legends

  • Lively debate over the greatest NBA dunkers: Vince Carter, Zach LaVine, Desmond Mason, Jason Richardson, and more. (66:42–68:59)
  • Wall emphasizes: "The stars gotta be in it... you want to see a Ja Morant, Zion Williamson.” (64:45–65:10)

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Music, Motivation, and Hip-Hop

• John Wall’s Pre-Game Playlist
  • “I like [Lil] Durk… Future … Carter 3, Dedication 2 … That’s all I was listening to like you gonna ever change this shit? Hell no.” (87:17–88:27)
  • Fat Joe shares stories of Lil Wayne’s lyrical dominance in the studio (90:03–91:39)

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Top Point Guards of Wall’s Era

• Wall’s Picks (56:15–57:20)

  • Derrick Rose
  • Russell Westbrook
  • Rajon Rondo
  • Deron Williams ("People sleep on this guy and I don’t know why.")
  • Chris Paul

• Toughest Guarded:

  • Steve Nash, who “went 10 for 10… just running around eating.” (57:20–57:29)

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The Business and Brotherhood of Basketball

• On Kentucky sending so many to the NBA

  • “Now we the first three to ever get five guys to go in the first round.” (24:25)

• Importance of Situation in Career Development

  • “It’s all about where you get drafted at… One wrong situation, four years put you on.” (100:06–100:25)

• Underrated Players

  • Wall names Darius Garland, Johnathan Kuminga, Jamal Murray, and DeJounte Murray as underrated “unsung heroes.” (101:02–102:24)
  • Fat Joe pushes back on Garland: “He fold all the time, man. He not the one.” (101:07)

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Memorable, Candid Quotes & Moments

• On retiring:
  “I wanted to leave on my terms… not on the court, but leaving on my terms of what’s the next chapter.” – John Wall, (05:34)

• On seeing Allen Iverson for the first time in an NBA game:
  “You getting the chills. …Like, oh shit, it’s real.” – John Wall (37:18)

• On Rucker Park and KD:
  “KD’s the greatest. He had the greatest performance of an NBA player at Rucker park ever in history… Water in the net. I never seen no shit like that.” – Fat Joe (52:32–53:03)

• On the evolution of NBA offenses:
  “It’s threes or layups. That’s what the league has evolved into now.” – John Wall (46:30)

• On the best dressed NBA player:
  “Sga, if you argue with me, you wearing the red Nike… like, you gotta chill.” – Fat Joe (97:53)

  • “He throw that on… Fashion week every day.” – Fat Joe (98:15)

• On AI (Allen Iverson) Changing the NBA:
  “They changed the dress code because of AI… they worked so much against this guy.” – Fat Joe (72:02–72:20)

• On NBA IQ and winning titles:
  “Smart guys win championships. Can’t be a dummy.” – Fat Joe (48:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:26] – Wall talks broadcasting, moving to Amazon Prime after NBA
• [07:08] – Growing up in North Carolina, recruiting, and Kentucky choice
• [08:10–09:39] – Kentucky brotherhood, forming the “Three Amigos,” being college rock stars
• [14:04] – Early fame, handling pressure pre-social media
• [33:21–34:20] – Getting drafted, joining Wizards
• [35:22–35:55] – Rookie “snack bag” hazing stories
• [37:18–38:10] – First times playing against Allen Iverson and Kobe
• [39:19–39:54] – Facing fast guards: D. Rose, Westbrook, Fox, Ellis
• [46:30–47:15] – NBA’s three-point revolution vs. smart basketball
• [50:36–53:03] – Rucker Park legends: Kobe, KD, AI
• [56:15–57:29] – Wall’s top point guards and toughest assignments
• [64:45–65:10] – What dunk contest is missing, stars not participating
• [90:03–91:39] – Fat Joe/Lil Wayne story: “I am a beast, feed me hip hop…”
• [101:02–102:24] – Unsung NBA heroes and underrated players

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Tone & Style

The conversation is unscripted, raw, and full of insider flavor—true to the streetwise, brag-heavy, and culture-driven style Fat Joe and Jadakiss bring. John Wall is candid, often self-deprecating but proud, and brings both humility and bravado to his stories. Frequent use of playful trash talk, asides about fashion and music, and open debates about player reputations and the real behind-the-scenes dynamics makes the episode especially lively and accessible—even for listeners less steeped in basketball or hip-hop.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a richly detailed, entertaining, and insightful look at the intersection of hip-hop, basketball, and personal legacy. Whether it’s tales from Kentucky, the pros, or music studio wars; whether debating the GOATs of dunking or fashion; or whether breaking down the state of NBA strategy, the trio bring sharp opinions and infectious energy. John Wall’s journey—from a kid breaking onto the scene, to NBA stardom, to the next act in broadcasting—is at the center, but the show is just as much about celebrating the community, the culture, and the grind that connects hip-hop and hoops.

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For die-hard fans and the uninitiated alike, this episode is a must-listen, blending the best of the barbershop, the locker room, and the backstage of a hip-hop show into two hours of culture, comedy, and truth-telling.

Transcript

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[Fat Joe]

I never seen guys getting punched in their face so much. Like every episode. A legend, a legend, a legend. A legend. A legend, a legend. You know you never seen a podcast three months old where motherfucker got every legendary motherfucker John war last night, DJ Khaled, Baby 4 Raekwon and Havoc today be like it's disgusting out there. Biggest in the game. Joe Crack the Dawn.

[Jadakiss]

Know who it is. Your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada Show. Every show iconic. Every show legendary. We ain't gonna stop. Ladies and gentlemen, give it up for our guest today. You know we love basketball. You know we love lifestyle. You know we love our people. Make some noise for John Wall Wall. Wait now before we even get into life and basketball and things of that nature. You got a new venture. You in the broadcasting work. Make some noise for that nice bag. How is it? What can we expect? Or is it still. I seen you, you, you got your feet wet this bad scene. Yeah, yeah, I seen you all over the tube. What can we expect this year? Prime, what you gonna be doing?

[John Wall]

It's fire. I'm doing studio analyst for Amazon Prime. Everybody know they took over the NBA world, they taking over. I can't get ready to work though. We're gonna be in la, in Studio City, in Culver City. I get to work with D. Wade, Steve Nash, Adonis Hasm, Candace Parker, Dirt Nowitzki, Blake Griffin, Rudy Gay. So just being a space where I get to talk basketball, you know, I'm like, we love basketball. We get to sit here and talk basketball. But it's a little more professional than you is talking to your homeboys. But I get to be on the TV screen and basically it's my next career. So, you know, I'm retired early this year. Not too long ago, something I didn't want to do. But it was a perfect time. Had the next chapter coming and I'm taking the full head of steam.

[Jadakiss]

Well done.

[Fat Joe]

That's a beautiful thing because a lot of athletes, whenever timing bell hits, you know, life start to fuck up, the wife want to leave, you know, motherfuckers start going crazy because they don't hear the roar the crowd no more like we lucky as artists because Smokey Robinson them dudes performing at 80. So we could always catch the roar of the crowd. When you are athlete and you retire.

[Jadakiss]

That gotta be walking in the building though a lot of times they put them on the jump.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but you know, they used to this shaking bait. So what is it like? Would you scared? And I think it's great that you got this new.

[Jadakiss]

I know you want to stay around the game as long as you could.

[John Wall]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jadakiss]

I know you loved ball, so I know you wasn't. He wasn't trying to push back.

[John Wall]

No.

[Jadakiss]

It wasn't an easy decision, was it?

[John Wall]

It was bittersweet, you know, I mean, it's bittersweet and happy at the same time. Because I'm like, the last two years I've been trying to get back in. I mean, you can't really control what God throws at you, what light throw at you. So I was sitting back enjoying the time of being around my kids. But I'm like, I got to figure out what's next. And I had the opportunity to go do broadcasting for the G League showcase, which I never even thought about doing. Like, that ain't for me. That ain't in my next field. So the NBA TV called, like, we want you to do some games. I'm like, okay, cool. Then I started getting a little bit of buzz with it. I'm like, okay, this can be my next chapter. I get to be around a game I love, still travel, go to arenas, be in a studio and talk basketball. And then I get a call from Amazon prime, like, they want to sign me.

[Jadakiss]

Great call.

[John Wall]

So I'm like, all right, forget basketball. And they're like, I can still be around the game, but I just won't be on the court no more. And I'm going it my way. I wanted to leave on my terms, you know what I mean? It's not leaving on my terms on the court, but leaving on my terms of what's the next chapter for me.

[Fat Joe]

That's right.

[John Wall]

And Amazon prime gave me the opportunity to take that next step.

[Fat Joe]

That's a beautiful thing, man. You know, that's how me and Kiss feel. We feel like this shit is like the TNT of hip hop. Charles Barkley, Shaquille o'. Neal. Like, we played the game. We know every aspect of the game. We done had the bone on bone injuries. We done had the torn ankles. Yo, stop. The Euro step, the automatic.

[Jadakiss]

We gonna get. He got the Euro. He got the leg.

[John Wall]

Yeah, the leg.

[Jadakiss]

Like, show him the Euro.

[Fat Joe]

I gotta get him.

[Jadakiss]

I'm gonna get you. No, he got a profession. If he. Look, he got the leg. You know how the Euro is. And then you go back. He got the leg for the first part.

[John Wall]

The last step in here. I got the first step.

[Jadakiss]

If he could perfect do the first leg, then lay it. He could be killing somewhere in it. Celebrity.

[John Wall]

You just gonna have to go same foot. Same man, though.

[Jadakiss]

See what I'm saying?

[John Wall]

If you go like this, you just gotta go like this. Ain't no going back over here.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, you gotta stay well, you just.

[John Wall]

Gotta go good inside.

[Fat Joe]

Growing up in North Carolina, who stated the who state? Well, who you was rooting for when you was growing up, was you rooting for Duke or North Carolina?

[John Wall]

See, the crazy part, I'm breaking down to you. My mom grew up NC State fan with cne, Lowe and all them back in the day. For me, I grew up a Carolina fan.

[Jadakiss]

I love Carolinas. Was going with Coach Valvano.

[John Wall]

Yeah, she was going with them. Seeing Low and all them. So it's funny because he recruited me when I was in high school.

[Fat Joe]

Wow.

[John Wall]

And during that time, my mom had annuals in my senior year. So I'm like, I'm staying close to home. You know what I mean? Then she got the surgery, got past that, and she was like, don't pick the school for me. Do what's best for you. And I was glad that happened because I knew where I really wanted to be. But my mom was my best friend, so I was gonna be home. But Carolina's my school, though. Like, I love watching Carolina.

[Jadakiss]

You landed in Kentucky with arguably one of the best teams ever that played college basketball. The way that your whole team was crazy. What was that like? What was. What was that? I know y' all had. Y' all was like royalty on that camp.

[Fat Joe]

When you went in, say the first. When you went in, did you know that your team was like that? Did you know?

[Jadakiss]

Hell, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You knew who everybody was on the team. And you was like, oh, this is about to be crazy.

[John Wall]

Just. Just. I'm breaking down. Just me and demarcus cousins, we already knew what it was going to be. Then we bringing back Patrick Patterson. You know what I mean? So, like, he's being so special. Before that, when he had Bill Gillespie as his coach, you know, I took a visit there when I was in ninth grade, so I knew how good he was. I'm like, okay. Then I started watching Eric Bless on as Demarcus. Cause they played each other house. Cause they both from Alabama. Like, all right. I knew how good John Hood was. He was from Kentucky. And then after that, we just got on campus and we just clicked, though. But Kyle made us feel like a brotherhood, like a family. Because we always had dinner at his house. We always just hung together like we really was. Me, Boog and he Black called us. Had three amigos. We were together everywhere. You couldn't separate us for nothing. And we really played pickup for, like, hours. Like, we doing class at one. We playing from three to seven. So, like, we really was hooping. Hooping. And coach would be up there in the office and, you know, somebody might get into it. I'm closing the blinds. Y' all figure it out. And that's how it went. So it was fun, though. It was exciting. We knew. We knew we could be good, but we didn't really know how great we was going to do. Because at this time, people forget. It was a lot of juniors and seniors still left in college basketball at that time. My year was the last year real two juniors and seniors. After that, it was like a lot of freshmen, a lot of sophomores. After that. So it was exciting. It was fun. We was like rock stars, though.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[John Wall]

You know?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. I was like, fucking the biggest shit on the planet.

[John Wall]

It was crazy. Cause, like, I tell a lot of people, like, college basketball didn't have that much excitement until we came. Like, it was a drought at that time. Like, you had a team that was winning a championship team. That was good. But we brought that excitement back, like, every Saturday. He wanted to see us on CBS.

[Jadakiss]

That's a fact.

[Fat Joe]

That's hot. You know, DeMarcus Cousins. One of the saddest stories about basketball to me. Cause of injury. Because, man, this guy was. There's nothing he can't do.

[John Wall]

Nah, for sure.

[Fat Joe]

I really love DeMarcus cousins. Like, I really used to watch him. He was dogging. He was like. I felt like he was the street dude that made it. And he had every move, and he was tough. And then cause of injury, you know, he went to Puerto Rico, gave the dude the joint ski. What he did. He grabbed his shit, made him sniff that. Yo, they. Yeah, he went. He gave it to get it. Yeah, your kids. That's going on. I would never want to be the guy. That guy, whoever he did that to. That's forever. That's like, I know. Puerto Ricans.

[Jadakiss]

Erase that.

[Fat Joe]

That's a lifetime. Every Christmas, some drunk cousin is gonna be like, yo, he threw the shit in your face. This. Now they violating that guy forever in Puerto Rico. He'll never outlive the DeMarcus cousins. Boogie cousins. Who else was the trip that you played with throughout your career? That was like. You be like, oh, my God, this guy's a trip.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, we gonna. You fast forward. Are we staying in college or are we going to the league?

[Fat Joe]

Stay in college. I'm just.

[Jadakiss]

I'm just shooting.

[John Wall]

Or.

[Fat Joe]

I don't even know the questions I'm going off to.

[John Wall]

But I say him like, you know, I met DeMarcus when we was 13 in nationals. Like, we met when we was 13. Like, I had just got my first dunk. He was skinny, but he had all the skills. Then we kind of went to a camp like I went to LeBron camp. And then we. I don't know nobody. This one, I become number one in the country. So I walk in late, My plane get in late. We late now. I'm like, all right. You know, you get in, lay everybody hard. Like, he think he the shit. Like, I'm like, bro, I don't know nobody. I'm looking around like, damn, Boog.

[Jadakiss]

Like, what up?

[Fat Joe]

What up?

[John Wall]

I'M like, I'm gonna go chill with Bug. So from that day forward, we, like, we gonna go to college together.

[Fat Joe]

Wow.

[Jadakiss]

That was fine.

[John Wall]

So I told him, but I was playing to like. He was. I ain't gonna lie. He wanted me to go to uab. I said, listen, Book, I ain't going to Alabama for no school. So then we started talking. He was going to Memphis. I was like, all right, baby. I called him like, yo, I ain't going. About to go to Duke. And I hung up on him. He called me like, seven times, chilling, like, bro, you better answer this damn phone. I was joking with him, though. I knew I was going to Kentucky, but he didn't know that. But we always wanted to go to school together, so that was easy for us to get the opportunity to do it, man.

[Fat Joe]

That's a beautiful thing, man.

[Jadakiss]

You. You was one of them. You knew from high school, like, well, I heard about you all the way up in yo. In Westchester. So what is it like? Is it a lot of pressure because they. You already knew you was going. All you had to do is pray don't get hurt and stay away from traffic. You was going to be in the league. How did. Is it a lot of pressure? Is it. How is it to deal with that?

[John Wall]

It's crazy because, like, I'm a skinny kid from Raleigh, North Carolina, so I wasn't even on the spot until, like, my junior year. So now I'm like, you know, usually you go to a prep school like Oak Hill, one of those schools, and I'm like, why would I leave if I'm the man at home? I want my family to be able to come to every game. So the most important thing for me, you know, like, when you're around your neighborhood, they gonna make sure you the guy to stay out of trouble. It's just up to me there. Don't do nothing stupid. But it was a lot of pressure. But it wasn't no camera. It was no social media back then, so I didn't have to worry about nothing. Like, you had to come see me to see what was really going on. You know what I mean? Then I go playing this one tournament to Bob Gibbons and a guy named Welman shout out to him. He's the reason why my mixtape was lit. He's a student at NC State and snuck into the Bob Gibbons. It's still a media pass. So he's filming the games and he come out with a mixtape. And my AAU coach like, yo, you going with us everywhere we go from There on. So that's how you get to see the John Wall mixtape. To be so loose. But it was pressure, though. But, like, for me, I'm like, I didn't care about the pressure. Cause nobody. You had to come play me. Like, it was no. Oh, I can go like this every day and see everything I was doing. I wasn't under a microscope. It wasn't no cameras every day.

[Fat Joe]

You know Steph. Steph Marbury, like a brother, he told me when he was a kid, like a kid 10 years old, shit like that. White guys would come to the park and just sit in the stand and watch them. Like, is it really like that? Like, when they know that you a trial prodigy and you most likely going to the league? At what age did you notice, like, strangers was watching you, like, watching your game differently?

[John Wall]

And that was basically my whole life. Since I was 11. I was averaging 40.

[Jadakiss]

My God.

[John Wall]

But see, but, see. But the crazy part, I was always small, though. I didn't grow to 6:1 till, like, my junior year.

[Jadakiss]

But did you always have.

[John Wall]

No, I just had speed and hand lifts. Like, AI is my favorite player. So me going back and watching the commercial with y' all was lit to me. You know what I mean? So I'm like, I gotta be like, hey, like, I gotta get the task. I gotta add the braids. But I just grew. So when I grew and I kept everything I had, it's like, okay, now instead of last, I'm dunking on your center. But see you from New York. See, y' all got that park and go there. We didn't have that in North Carolina. We go to gyms and play. We didn't get to go to parks. And I wish we had, like, a Rucker park and all that. You go outside of your neighborhood and play and everybody outside. But, like, it took me to my junior year when my mom got mad. Cause agents was coming to games. And I was like, I already told my mom and dad. Like, before my dad passed when I was nine. Even if I didn't make it the league, whatever I was gonna do, I was gonna go to college. So she was like, listen, y' all gotta stop fucking coming to the games. Like they're going to college.

[Fat Joe]

He told me. Steph told me that he was 10 years old. Like, white guys just sitting outside of Coney island, watching them play in the part. Like they already knew. Like, they know.

[John Wall]

But see, yeah, y', all. Like, see, in New York, y' all got so much. Y' all can play anywhere, anytime. Like, they Seeing it, you know what I mean? Like, they watching what's really coming up before me. You got like, Jerry Stackhouse, Donna Williams, David west, you know What I mean? P.J. tucker, those are guys we seen, you know what I mean? Y' all got more and more names. At the time when we was going.

[Jadakiss]

Later in the city is.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, the city different.

[John Wall]

Yeah. See, I'll be honest. I'll tell you this. And nobody. A lot of people know this. I watched through the fire the end before every high school game, watching Sebastian Terry for a tape. Now imagine me, the shit I was doing in high school, having that type of ESPN coming to my games. You right. Cause I'm watching Bashi. Like, damn, he got Jay Z here. Ma Rashad.

[Jadakiss]

Everybody was like, this is Lit.

[Fat Joe]

He's Stephon Marbury's cousin.

[John Wall]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

So they all live in the building.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[John Wall]

And he had his little brother Stephen.

[Fat Joe]

You go to 10 different apartments in the project building. It's his whole family on eth floor. And Sebastian used to live there. We used to take him to E4. That's why he hurt us so bad when he played for Jay Z in the.

[John Wall]

In the ruckee.

[Fat Joe]

Cause we used to feed him four chicken wings, French fries, beef and the ghetto Chinese. You know when you got the little cousin, you giving a fortune. Four chicken wings, French fries. That guy broke my heart when he came out there with French fries with the rock. You know what that is? That was. That was Steph's little cousin. We used to give him Chinese food, hang out with him.

[Jadakiss]

That was Brooklyn.

[Fat Joe]

Next thing you know, he came against us. We was like, oh, wow.

[Jadakiss]

He wasn't going against Brooklyn, baby.

[Fat Joe]

He wasn't going against Jay Z. But that's his. That's his cousin, Brooklyn. Okay. He was going to get his ass whipped anyway. Don't fuck with us, man. You know what you was hearing about the Rucker games? You was hearing the bottom down there, huh?

[John Wall]

Yeah, for sure. They was lit. I played in League 24 the second year. Me and Lance Stevenson. My boy Lance.

[Fat Joe]

Boy Lance played for me when he was 14.

[John Wall]

Born Ready was different.

[Fat Joe]

Born Ready was giving him 40 points.

[John Wall]

Yeah, he was different at 14.

[Fat Joe]

He was like. He was just too crazy.

[John Wall]

He was like a grown man, though, at 14.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, he was dead.

[Jadakiss]

Nice stairs and everything.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, had him running. He from over there, too.

[John Wall]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. He went to Lincoln. He went to Lincoln.

[Fat Joe]

He went to Lincoln. Yeah. He want to fight every game now. Like, now.

[John Wall]

That's how. Like, I'll be honest. Like not even try to go off the top. We still and, like, go back to high school.

[Fat Joe]

We talking.

[John Wall]

We go to city of. Where we at? City of Palm. We take a photo shoot, slam online. You see it, I'm in. My high school jersey is purple. He got his winging jersey on. We don't say a word to each other. Cause, like, you know, he was number one at the time. I come up, I'd be number one. We not even cool. Like, he not saying a word. We showed it back to back. Just looking at the camera like, get this shit over with. Then we go to Steve Nash. Campers in Jersey. He's not a point guard, he's a two guard. He supposed to be at Kobe camp. He come just to play against me. So he bullying everybody. I'm like, you ain't gonna bully me. Like, we gonna have to get into it now. We like, we close as hell. Like, you can't separate it. But he respected me for not backing down from. A lot of people in our class was terrified. They was born ready. And I was like, I don't give a damn.

[Fat Joe]

Like, that's what makes you a legend, brother. You know what I'm saying?

[John Wall]

That's how we met Milan. We cool as hell. His birthday the day before mine. His birthday was the fifth.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, Lance, we just celebrated. When you wasn't with me in the killer. In the killer party, he said, what the fuck you doing in the killer party? It was Special's birthday, man.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, they wasn't doing that new edition in there.

[Fat Joe]

They was. They was. You know, you had. Homeboy Tut was in there. Princess from the Supreme. All the legendary gangsters in New York was up in the party. It was Lance Burke. Yo, Lance, man, he walk a fine line. He in the streets any ball. Like, he's always, baby.

[Jadakiss]

Coney island, baby.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, he's always been like that, you know, born ready.

[Jadakiss]

Let's get into your. Major accomplishments at Kentucky. National Player of the Year, Got the RUP Trophy. National Freshman in the Year, usbwa. Consensus first team All American. SEC Player of the Year, Associated Press and coaches, SEC Tournament mvp. SEC Freshman of the Year. Sec. You fucking tore the SEC up.

[Fat Joe]

We knocked they head off. Boy.

[Jadakiss]

Did you ever have to go to class?

[John Wall]

Yeah, yeah, I definitely had to go to class. For sure, kid.

[Fat Joe]

They definitely was taking your test.

[John Wall]

Nah, I'm telling you.

[Jadakiss]

I didn't say that.

[Fat Joe]

No, he could say that.

[John Wall]

He could say that. I'm gonna be honest with you. No, listen, let me tell you something. Different conferences is different. You feel Me, they can run their conference however they want. We had a person come to our class. Literally, let's say class is an hour. If I leave with 59 with 1 minute left in the class and I'm not, then he walk by. Oh, yeah, we got 20 suicides in 20 minutes. That's the suicide. That's our punishment at practice. But I don't gotta run. I gotta sit at half court while my team run. Cause I fucked up. So we had to go to class.

[Jadakiss]

Like that military shit going on.

[John Wall]

We had to.

[Jadakiss]

Same as Private Ryan.

[Fat Joe]

I put in that work.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[John Wall]

At 3.5, I ain't fucking around. I'm going back to get my business management degree.

[Jadakiss]

Just talk slow to these people.

[Fat Joe]

Talk slow to.

[John Wall]

I ain't messing around.

[Jadakiss]

I mean, doing shit now he like.

[Fat Joe]

To do it though. You know what I'm saying? I know. They came to me when I was starting all this trouble in my school. I ain't have a football team. They was like, yo, come to our school, play football, we'll give you four lunches. They try to convince me with the lunches.

[John Wall]

Or they only got three lunches. When you get four.

[Fat Joe]

Four lunches. They was like, yo, bro, we know like trucks.

[John Wall]

They gave you four lunches.

[Fat Joe]

You know where they robbed the whole gym in that era?

[John Wall]

I heard this story. I don't know if it's true. I heard this story.

[Jadakiss]

Give me some more flat.

[John Wall]

Give me the marriage for that story.

[Fat Joe]

What that era. That's the truth of the story.

[Jadakiss]

But what. Hold on. They ain't even gonna go into the robbery. I went in here about four. What do you mean? They all.

[Fat Joe]

So I was causing four months struggle in the school. Four trades Morris High School. Four trades. Morris High School had no football. Other schools was hearing I was bullying the school so much and getting in trouble. Coaches was coming to have football teams. Like, yo, you a big boy. You could take your anger out on football. We the only thing you could bribe me with at that age is free lunch. They're like, yo, we give you four lunches. Whatever you want. You can eat whatever you want. This is that. Just come play football. I'm like that. I ain't going to play no football. You know what I'm saying? Y' all can take y' all flags back.

[Jadakiss]

You might have. Could have been a pun.

[John Wall]

I'm telling you, you would have been a nose guard with the leg.

[Jadakiss]

James. Getting it.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, James, let me stay inside of you.

[Jadakiss]

This is Lord London.

[Fat Joe]

Legs, man, these guys Lloyds in London. These guys can't with me, man. You know what I'm saying? I did rob the whole gym, guys. I'm telling you. Y' all don't like it. It is what it is. Now, everybody give me your.

[Jadakiss]

How did Cal tell you to leave?

[John Wall]

I was already gone. He was out before I got here. Listen, the funny story is, Cal's like, don't leave by yourself. Like, what the hell you mean? Like, to take some guy who's. I'm like, how? Like, how? Like, I knew I was good, but I didn't know, like, know what I was gonna do on the college level. Cause a lot of people back home was like, he gonna do three, four years in school. Like, he ain't gonna be one and done. I'm like, all right, we'll see. But once that game against Carolina, SEC.

[Fat Joe]

And all that shit.

[John Wall]

Nah, I'm gonna tell you. I'm tell you two games where I knew, like, it was over with. When I played Carolina, I couldn't wait to play them, you know what I mean? They had got Dexter Strickland, you know, he from Jersey, with the same pass they had Larry Drew. And I was like, man, damn. They took these two guards. These, like, the school I wanted to go to. I was like, I gotta kill them. Like, we back home. I'm back home playing. I gotta kill them. So we beat them. Then I go to the guard, and we play Kimberly. And then UConn, Jerome, Dyson. I had, like, 14 of our last 15 points. Now, every GM, every scout at the game, I was like, yeah, I'm cool. I'm going to. And Kyle was like, take some people with you. So I was like, all right, let's.

[Fat Joe]

See, what did he mean?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, I wanted.

[John Wall]

I took four other guys with him on the first.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. You took the test?

[John Wall]

No.

[Fat Joe]

Went to the classes for the test.

[John Wall]

What you mean?

[Fat Joe]

But you cheated some niggas on with you. Well, you must cheat them on.

[John Wall]

No, what happened was.

[Fat Joe]

You got him a spot, huh?

[John Wall]

What happened was we're like, what's my man?

[Fat Joe]

What's the man? The kimbo. The kimbo? The Timbo, too. The guy from Milwaukee.

[John Wall]

Milwaukee?

[Fat Joe]

Giannis. He got his brother on the team. When did he call him? One time. No, Rest in peace. To Kembo Giannis.

[John Wall]

You call him?

[Fat Joe]

His last name? What is his last name?

[John Wall]

Giannis Antokounmpo.

[Fat Joe]

Anton Cumpo. He got his brother on there for free.

[Jadakiss]

Ooh.

[John Wall]

That's something we can't control. But listen, in college, you can't do that. You got to produce a Little bit to get to the league.

[Fat Joe]

So what he was telling you to.

[John Wall]

Do, take some guys with me.

[Fat Joe]

So what?

[John Wall]

So let me confuse you. Marcus cousin, he thought he was going to do three years in school. He averaging a double double. Okay, he go top five. E. Bled didn't never think about going to the NBA. He comes in, he's averaging 13 and 7, 13 and 5. He goes to the league. Patrick Patterson, he was already all American, you know, he's going, okay, that's four of us. The last guy was Dan Orton. We didn't think was going to come out the draft, you feel me? But he had some personal problems that went on. He's like, he's not going back to school. He got picked at it like it's the second and last pick in the first round. Now we the first three to ever get five guys to go in the first round.

[Fat Joe]

Wow. So he said, that's what he means.

[John Wall]

Take some guys with me. But listen, he said he had to play well to win, to get guys to go. If we was asked, ain't nobody going. Yeah, but why is the Kembe Giannis.

[Fat Joe]

Giannis brother on the team?

[John Wall]

When you're the franchise, you gotta leave. You got power so you could bring.

[Fat Joe]

Your brother on the team. Right.

[Jadakiss]

You know, I think he took a couple. Take a little bit of ends off, give that to him. Make him a contract. He made him a contract.

[John Wall]

He brought y' all championship one apiece of the league.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, I like that. I like what he did. I'm all about getting somebody in your family's job. I thought that's what he meant. I thought he said, like, you sec. You number one. You all listen, before I take some of your boys with you, we thinking you got him on that.

[John Wall]

You got a thing, though. This before that, though. This is when school starts, before you even play a game. We know he want it done. We know that. Take some guys with you.

[Jadakiss]

He told you that before y' all even started?

[John Wall]

Yeah, I'm like, what the hell like? What you mean, like?

[Jadakiss]

Explain.

[John Wall]

He was like, if you good as you supposed to be, some guy's gonna leave with you. I'm not expecting to face.

[Fat Joe]

He's a good guy. He's a good guy.

[John Wall]

Cal.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah. Cal is great guy. Cal is true.

[John Wall]

So I'm just saying I don't expect four guys to go. I believe thinking like, the mark is in Pac Blair never thought about leaving. He thought he would come back to school. You see what I'm saying? They always never thought about leaving. So those two other guys that came into the picture that we.

[Fat Joe]

I thought the Marcus was like, I.

[John Wall]

Feel like he could have been at his prime.

[Fat Joe]

I thought he was fast.

[John Wall]

What these bigs are doing now, he been had that he was doing that and just wasn't allowed to do it. Shoot threes, dribble up the court. He been had that he just wasn't allowed to do it. Now that's facts. So he was ahead of his time. The way the game has evolved. Yeah. Because he can pass, he can post up, he can score, he can bully you and he feel like he could bully you over you. No friendship, no. No nothing. Yeah. Check it out.

[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Jadakiss]

Ugh.

[Fat Joe]

Come on.

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[Fat Joe]

Are we going to the pros yet?

[Jadakiss]

Because you want he just told us about that.

[Fat Joe]

Now we actually talking about that dmv.

[Jadakiss]

Now we got it.

[Fat Joe]

You ever had that chili bowl they got you know what, why we gotta have food? Why all why does it sound like Paul's stuff?

[John Wall]

You know what he want? You know the mambo sauce?

[Fat Joe]

The mambo sauce that yo yo yo, that just sound crazy. I'm talking about D.C. you talking chili bowl. I never had the heart to get out the car and go get the chili bowl.

[Jadakiss]

But that shit been there, fancy over there.

[John Wall]

What, you good?

[Fat Joe]

I didn't need it.

[John Wall]

You good. You could go.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no, I know I could go. I just never wanted to go out there. Fat Joe, go get some chili and shit.

[John Wall]

You go get a cheesesteak.

[Fat Joe]

Why you can't get a chili bowl?

[John Wall]

You gotta do it. You had the four wings with the fries. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

But I'm saying the chili bowl just sound like you going straight to the bathroom no matter what. It sound like automatic explosion, you know what I'm saying? I gotta stay away from shit like that.

[Jadakiss]

Now, when you decide now you have a killer freshman year, you decide you out. What's the preparation for, like, after that? After the tournament, after all of the.

[John Wall]

Wins after the tournament, I was crying like a baby.

[Jadakiss]

DeMarcus talking about you acting like a punk.

[John Wall]

Let's know you going there. What you crying for? I came to win a championship. I already know I'm only here for eight months. I'm gone. So I stayed. Finished the rest of the school year. I worked out with Rod Strickland. Shout out, shout out to Rock OG Rod. He was working, doing workouts and stuff. Then I prepared myself. Had one meeting with one agent. I didn't know who the to talk to was going on. I said, my manager, y' all control this. Just give me my raindrop on campus the next day. I just wanted a Range Rover at the time. God, did I get to ride around Chemist. And I moved to LA for the summer. Living in la. Worked out, prepare myself for the draft. That's how I went.

[Jadakiss]

You get drafted number one. What the fuck is that? Like, is you. Do you gotta throw your phone? What's going on at the. Do they tell you? Yeah.

[John Wall]

I knew since I was in high school, my senior there, like, you going to mourn. But now it's up to me to produce in college. You know what I mean? So let me get shout out to Evan Turner. He had a hell of a freshman. I mean, he was a junior, but he had a hell of a year in college, too. You know what I mean? So now it's like, all right, you gotta watch the lottery. Like, who gets the pick, really? I'm thinking I'm about to go to Jersey. Jersey is the worst team in the league at the time. They put it in one pick, they fought at 3, and they was like, Philly or DC. Ooh. I go to Philly cool. That's my favorite player of all time. Play.

[Jadakiss]

They get two.

[John Wall]

I'm like, perfect. DC is cool as far as from home, from North Carolina, my dad from there. I'm like, all right. They like, you gotta come work out. Work out like 30 minutes. I was like. My back hurt. I really was just tired as hell. My back was hurt. But got drafted there, and it was real.

[Fat Joe]

Let me ask you a question. So you in D.C. you get drafted with all that club love and H2O and all that shit. D.C. was a special place at Brooklyn City. For real, though. Like, what was it like being focused and all this shit? This was like, Yo, D.C. was really the most popping place at that time. If you talk about nightlife or club, that shit was out of control.

[John Wall]

My first two, three years, I ain't go nowhere. I was little. You just catching me at Hooters, right there in Chinatown. That's where I go out to practice and shit. Like, that's where I was watching all the games. I really ain't go outside like that. It took me to, like, my end of my third year and all my homeboys graduated. College, came from college and came up there and I'm like, I'm young, single. I'm adapted to the city. Now I'm getting my emotion in the league where I want to be, and let's go have some fun.

[Jadakiss]

Whose rook was you?

[John Wall]

Gilbert Arenas.

[Jadakiss]

Wow.

[John Wall]

Javale McGee, Andre Blash, Nick Young.

[Jadakiss]

What kind of shit do you gotta do? What, they make you carry bags?

[John Wall]

Gotta have a snack bag. Somebody might call you. Like, I had to have donuts in there in the morning before everybody get their newspapers. Sometimes you might. Sometimes it might be three in the morning and you got a bus at eight. You gotta keep your phone on ring. Hey, yo, go to the store. I need something. What you gonna say? You say no. You might get tired of throwing into a cold tub.

[Fat Joe]

That was part of the rules, huh?

[John Wall]

Yeah. All it was is like, as long as you respect me as a man, don't have me doing nothing crazy. I do all the rookie duties.

[Fat Joe]

No walking to Brooklyn for cheesecake shit.

[John Wall]

You might have to. That's your rookie duty. But you never know. Like, KG said it one time. Cause A.B. bradley came in, you know what I mean? And he was like. He did so much for KG, and then he ended up having $120,000 extra. But he'll give you, like. You might be like, yo, three o' clock in the morning. Go give me some donuts here, go. 5,000. When I come back, you just never know. You know what I mean? But when you be one of the hardhead rookies, tyres flat, popcorn in what's called.

[Fat Joe]

What's the light skinned? Dude? He played for the fucking Knicks.

[John Wall]

Landry Fields.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, nice guy. Around that time, Not Landry Fields, but the other he went to, was it Jeffries or something?

[Jadakiss]

Jerry Jeffries.

[Fat Joe]

Jared Jeffries. He told me, I never forget. I had dinner with him. He said, yo, he cashed his first check and made it all cash and put it in the bathtub. It was like laying on the ship when he first got his big check in the NBA. Yeah, he told me he took the.

[Jadakiss]

Money out the bank and put it in the tub.

[Fat Joe]

Put it in the tub and slept in the tub in the. In the million dollars. To me. He was like, yo, Joe, I slept in that with all the money. I said, yo, this guy's crazy.

[John Wall]

To do that. You got. Some guys don't even want a bank account. They just want their cash. I'm like, y' all crazy.

[Jadakiss]

Chuck used to have mad cash like that.

[John Wall]

Yeah, I used to have.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[John Wall]

I mean, stopping everywhere he went, though. Hey, I was there.

[Fat Joe]

What's the. What's what, like? All right, so let's say you. I was your idol, right? What was it like getting on the court that first time? Prime time, the crowd's going crazy, and you look across the court and it's Allen Iverson, bumper shark, and you gotta play against him. What was that feeling like?

[John Wall]

You getting the chills. I mean, once the first play go by, you like, fuck it, it is what it is basketball. Now, like the first time, you like, oh, shit, it's real. Like my first time playing Kobe, I was like, oh, shit, Kobe, post up. I block his shot. I run and go, get out the ball, come back, get the ball, score, like, the play goes on. Young fella, I'm like, fuck hope. But like, you know me like, this isn't me. I'm like, I'm living out my dream. I mean, but as long as I. Long as I. After, like the first play go by, I hold my own against him. I was straight. And once you earned that respect, you're like, okay, I belong. That's all it takes.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, it was the guy. What was the little light skinned guy. I think he played for Indiana, point guard. He was just super fast, super nice. I forget recently, man, back in the day, around your time when you was playing. Nah, little life.

[John Wall]

Monte Ellis.

[Fat Joe]

Monta Ellis, yeah.

[John Wall]

Yeah, he used to be a Golden State.

[Fat Joe]

Monte Ellis.

[John Wall]

Golden State.

[Fat Joe]

Monte Ellis.

[John Wall]

Nah, he was cold, man. It was cold.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, listen to me. Kiss the sun is nice. You remember when the guy. Remember when the karate guy kept trying to kick me in the face? And I was going like this, and I catch a boom. And he kick again. And I go, shh. It's like a split second of that. That guy. I would go see him play in the NBA. And he was just so much faster than everybody before. I know somebody checking him and he's just floating to the basketball. It's a different kind of speed. That guy had one of he. Am I correct? His speed was on another.

[John Wall]

He was fast, he was cold.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, nah, he was fast.

[John Wall]

He was different.

[Fat Joe]

Shit.

[Jadakiss]

You, him, Westbrook, D. Rose, D. Rose, Veer and Fox. Fox Flying T. Rose.

[Fat Joe]

You going up against that?

[John Wall]

No, I can't promise that. My rookie year is his MVP year.

[Jadakiss]

Wow.

[John Wall]

It's a bullshit.

[Fat Joe]

So that's where he was going crazy. What? That's where he was going crazy.

[John Wall]

Yes. I remember we played him in preseason, you know, it was cool because Coach Kyle came. I got a picture of the house. I'm like, yeah, it's gonna be a lot of battles, this guy playing four times. They only stop.

[Fat Joe]

So when you saw him, you was like, okay.

[John Wall]

That's the first time I said somebody was quicker than me. Cause I've always been like, faster. You know what I mean? But he's quicker. I was like, this is the first time somebody like, yeah, I gotta.

[Fat Joe]

You could see it.

[John Wall]

Shit, you ain't got it. It's right there. Like, I scored him. By the time I turn around and play defense, he's. Yeah, I'm right back. Let's go. Let's get to it.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, God.

[John Wall]

And he got things back then with Tibbs teams. And you've seen it this year with Brunson. They build a team around and they have great defensive guys. That's great role players. And they point guard as they start. You know what I mean? All Tibbs teams, they point guarded. They start. So you got a long night as a professional.

[Jadakiss]

I've been watching all these teams. I could never. I'm looking at that and I couldn't assess that.

[John Wall]

I got work to do.

[Fat Joe]

But we ain't got Tibbs no more.

[Jadakiss]

No. Just how he was able.

[Fat Joe]

What do you think about that? They are getting rid of Tims after going to the playoffs. Deep. And then bringing in Mike Brown. What you think about that move right there?

[John Wall]

I don't really understand a lot of times why coaches get fired when they go places they haven't been in a long time. But you gotta look deeper inside. It's probably something the players wanted or something from office wanted. That's what it kind of boils down to. And a lot of times people just sit back and don't say it. And they stay behind the radar for that. You know what I mean? So like some. It could have been something internal from the players or front office that they're not going to say into the camera. So they let the gm, I'm in the streets. They let the GM do it.

[Fat Joe]

So you open a barbershop or I'm around the streets. I don't care if it's a white lady. It's in the hood. Whatever. They all don't understand that. They just. No one says yes. We got Mike Brown. Tibbs, is that like nobody? Like, if I say how we look at this year, Great, yo, but I don't know about.

[John Wall]

Well, you gotta look. We did there look though. Jalen Brunson last two years been amazing, right? But it goes back to what I was saying with D. Rose. He's a point guard. That's Tim's show. Yeah, it's Mike Brown, new coach. Is he gonna let him play the same way? Is he gonna change the offense up? You know what I mean? So like, is he gonna try to get everybody else more involved? Jalen Brunson show.

[Fat Joe]

In order to win, in order to go win a chip, you gotta get everybody else.

[John Wall]

Yeah, but at the same time, it's. Jalen Brunson gonna be okay with that.

[Fat Joe]

That's a fact. I mean, that's. Hasn't that happened? Hasn't that been like the problem with most super duper duper stars is like, yo, you giving up the rock or like the biggest thing and shout out Melo. You just came back from the hall of Fame with Mello.

[John Wall]

All right, Congratulations, Mellow man.

[Fat Joe]

Man salute my man Mello, man, such a beautiful career. But the argument they kept hacked him like as he was getting older, everybody was like, could he come off the bench? Will he come on? Like, that was a whole. That was the thing.

[John Wall]

But to break it down, I don't think he should have came off the bench. You just give him a different role. You see what I'm saying? He still could be a four man. Like, he could be like a Kevin Durant to. Just when they get close. Give me the ball in the mid post. Get. You need a one on one bucket. I get you that. You need to be a Spider 3 point shooter. I can do that. But you don't take a guy there and be like, come on the bench.

[Fat Joe]

Hell, no.

[Jadakiss]

Hell, no.

[John Wall]

You might change his role and make him adjust a little bit. Like, all right, he might not be our number one option.

[Jadakiss]

Couple less shots.

[John Wall]

Yeah, but it's cool. You know what I mean? But, like.

[Fat Joe]

Cause you just saying right now, the future of our franchise depends on whether if or not Jalen Brunson want to give all that.

[Jadakiss]

Brown come in and switch the whole shit up.

[John Wall]

That y' all franchise got, like, trouble. The whole New York love Jalen Brunson. He's been the guy for y'.

[Jadakiss]

All.

[Fat Joe]

And then I love him even more if he finds a way to win the chip.

[John Wall]

Here's my point, though. Now, it's okay that. But, like, if I'm used to getting 20 to 25 shots a game, now you want to cut my shots to 12 to 15, I got to be even more efficient.

[Fat Joe]

Cause I'm like this. I get the news, I'm in the pool, be like, yo, we got Jordan Clarkson. Oh, I'm like, jumping up and down. My nephews are looking at me like, you know, they ain't going to get that boy the ball.

[Jadakiss]

I'm like, yo, he coming off the bench, though.

[John Wall]

But still, this guy, for him and deuce McBride to, like, run the spot.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no.

[John Wall]

Deuce ain't gonna do what Cox is gonna do. Listen, let me say that when the second team come in, point guard, right?

[Jadakiss]

Clark's in.

[John Wall]

Clark's in the ball.

[Fat Joe]

Hold on.

[John Wall]

Let me explain something to you.

[Jadakiss]

Now, listen.

[John Wall]

Now, Kat, right, when Jalen Brunson went to the bench, what Kat do Miss Indiana, game four or five. Had like, 20 in the fourth and won the game. So now he might be like, okay, when Jalen Brunson's out, it's my show. So when is Jordan Clause ever gonna get the town to be his show?

[Fat Joe]

This is what we saying.

[John Wall]

I'm agreeing with you.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, I'm agreeing with what they.

[John Wall]

Gonna have to do.

[Fat Joe]

We got a guy. You just gotta explain.

[John Wall]

If we ain't got a Mike Brown, do we just got.

[Fat Joe]

We ain't got no firepower. Now we got somebody who's firepower. And the streets is saying, yo, Joe, he might not get the touches.

[John Wall]

It all depends on. We don't like, end of day, we don't know what season Mike Brown gonna run. You know why you gotta listen until you see that we can't see.

[Jadakiss]

You know why you gotta listen?

[John Wall]

So, like, this is what I'd be saying to a lot of people that watch basketball, right? You might understand, like, he took 12 threes, right? Can you tell them the reason why? You a fan, just watch him, right? And I hear on TV and be like, he shot 12 threes. Like, give me the reason why. A lot of people can't explain the reason why. That's all he want to do is shoot threes. If I take 16 shots, 12 of my shots, I want to shoot threes. That's a whole new invade. Now, a lot of guys want to.

[Fat Joe]

Ask threes, what are we talking about?

[John Wall]

No, I'm just saying. I'm just saying, you as a fan watcher, right? And I get on TV as an analyst, and you want to know why he shot 12 threes. But I can't explain it to you. You can, like, oh, that's the game. I'm thinking the same thing.

[Fat Joe]

You think they just chucking them up.

[John Wall]

Yeah, but can you explain the reason why? So, like, oh, I think the reason.

[Fat Joe]

Why is they trying to run it up an extra point. And now that's just become normal. I mean, that's what.

[John Wall]

No, this trapped.

[Fat Joe]

You talk to the wrong guy. I coach six championships.

[John Wall]

That's cool.

[Fat Joe]

I'm Boogie Cousins in the paint. That's cool. I don't get body to body. No. I'm telling you what I'm doing. They got a three on one fast break, and they could step back and go, that's trash.

[John Wall]

But why?

[Jadakiss]

Why?

[Fat Joe]

I can't tell you why.

[John Wall]

That's the game I'm explaining to you. No, it's not the game. It's what the NBA and the fans listen.

[Fat Joe]

The fans want more points.

[John Wall]

Yes. The fans don't want no defense, and.

[Jadakiss]

They want to see a turn into a site, man. Turned into. Turned into.

[John Wall]

I'm gonna break it down. That's my last thing I'm gonna tell you right now.

[Fat Joe]

I'm into wins.

[John Wall]

Y' all beat Boston, right? Game one, right? How many threes they shoot that game?

[Fat Joe]

10,000.

[John Wall]

It's the most threes ever.

[Jadakiss]

73.

[John Wall]

That's the most threes in one eBay game history. They missed 40. That's two records broken, right? They can go get layups in mid ranges. They had wide open layups.

[Jadakiss]

They shooting.

[John Wall]

Step back and take threes. I'm like, bro. But this is what the league wants.

[Jadakiss]

Coaching getting mad at you. You don't take it.

[Fat Joe]

I want the Dolphins.

[John Wall]

If you shoot them in range on certain teams. Come on, Benchmark. It's threes or layups. That's what the league is involved into now.

[Fat Joe]

That's the stunning.

[John Wall]

But you see, look at the teams that won championships the last couple years. What are they shooting? Threes outside of Boston?

[Jadakiss]

Mid range?

[John Wall]

No, you got. You got OKC with it. What they doing? Mid range or line?

[Jadakiss]

They was mixed.

[John Wall]

What you got? Jamal, Murray, Yokos. What are they going? Two point. They're not shooting too many threes. The only one that won one was the Celtics. That one year when they were shooting like low. But you got to get.

[Fat Joe]

That's how you win the Chip Joe kiss. You do not win the chips. Three on one, break, Go back and shoot a three. Unless you carry a guarantee you're not supposed to, you're not going to win like that. I take the secure two point, get back. Two point, get back. Now if I'm open for a three, shoot a three.

[Jadakiss]

Shoot more threes, you make more threes, I be in the coaches meet. Did you ever think of that?

[Fat Joe]

You shoot more, you make more.

[Jadakiss]

That's how they looking at you.

[John Wall]

Just got to get to the point. If you off like, okay, make an adjustment, get to the rim.

[Fat Joe]

You have to get to the adjustment. And the thing I had with coaching guys and they wasn't NBA, but they could jump out the roof. A lot of these guys are just dumb.

[Jadakiss]

Like, just athletic and dumb.

[Fat Joe]

They dumb athletic, but they will not fucking listen. Dumb athletic. Like I used to run after the seventh time of telling them the same play. I would call a timeout and stand. I would stand there and be like, right here, he's coming here, shooting there. Can you stand here? And as soon as in front of the old park, embarrass him. As soon as good old Dumbo go and stand there, we start blowing him out. A guy run in the same place seven times. How do you let a guy do the same shit to you seven times in a row?

[John Wall]

Like when you see the boy got you.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So I'm trying to tell you.

[John Wall]

No, I'm agreeing with you. Like you just said, it's a lot of people that play basketball but don't have no iq.

[Fat Joe]

Smart guys win championships. Can't be a dummy.

[Jadakiss]

Listen to this man got 11 NBA seats. Look at Joker.

[Fat Joe]

The Joker wins because you and DeMarcus and all your guys went to the same school and y' all went to the same trainer. DeMarcus the Joker went to the damn same trainer. Listen what I'm saying to you. They ain't you all of that. They teach you. The dudes do's listen. They teach you the dues and they teach you the don'ts. And so you learn the game. Some of y' all better than the other, but y' all learn the same ideology. The joker comes from Serbia, Montenegro some. He's throwing passes across the course. Then no one validated that. And you looking like. Like what? He did that. And they score. He does everything you're not supposed to do.

[Jadakiss]

He's basically doing them different.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I'm just going against. Going like this.

[John Wall]

He's going over in America, couldn't pass. Maggie Johnson been doing the passes. Okay.

[Jadakiss]

Certain guys a bonus.

[John Wall]

Talk about the fathers oversized centers.

[Fat Joe]

The father used to.

[Jadakiss]

The father was dying.

[John Wall]

Who else, huh? But you name all overseas guys, they teach them how to pass the centers. What I'm trying to say in America.

[Fat Joe]

The way they taught us how to play basketball over here is totally different to way that guy is playing ball. He's doing shit that's not authorized Any coach.

[John Wall]

No, they more fundamental to us.

[Jadakiss]

It's not authorized.

[John Wall]

They're more fundamental.

[Jadakiss]

I'm saying he doing shit that's not authorized.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, it's not authorized.

[John Wall]

No, they just more fundamental to us.

[Fat Joe]

Who told us to do that?

[John Wall]

Yeah, rest in peace. Kobe. Overseas is more fundamental. We grew up playing basketball at a park. Nine times out of 10, playing one on one, playing outside all the time. Yo, they learn how to play fundamental before they play 5 on 5.

[Fat Joe]

I wish Kobe would have got a full game off at the Rucker. He only got to play like half of one quarter and scored maybe 14 or something.

[Jadakiss]

I was there.

[Fat Joe]

You was at the game?

[John Wall]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So you seen him?

[Jadakiss]

Did I?

[Fat Joe]

Wow. What was that like?

[Jadakiss]

Cold at the ruckus? His shit was.

[Fat Joe]

No, no. You sitting there and you just cold. Because everybody, everybody, everybody used to think he was clean cut. I'm telling you, the whole park is just.

[Jadakiss]

It's like fucking electrified or.

[Fat Joe]

You saw him grab the basketball.

[Jadakiss]

I seen him walk in. I seen him lace up and get busy. It was crazy. That was an ill summer, though.

[Fat Joe]

Garnett. I know. We was out there. We took the chip. Don't worry about that. We took the chip out there. That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is Kobe lacing up at the park. You see a lot of guys. I bought NBA. I bought tons of NBA players out there. Some of them wasn't built for that. And they were. And they were like champs in the league. They were all stars.

[Jadakiss]

AI killed that.

[John Wall]

AI is a perfect person for like, that.

[Fat Joe]

They wouldn't even play Deep.

[John Wall]

But listen, Jamal Murray's nice, right? Halliburton's nice. That's not their type of game to go out there and play in Rucker Park. It's not everybody game to play a street. That's like street ball. You gotta have history. A lot of guys don't have that. They got fundamental league game. A lot of people can't go out there and play George Clarkson, go out there, have a field day.

[Fat Joe]

Who's the white boy from Seattle? Not the white boy you talking about.

[John Wall]

Jason Woods.

[Fat Joe]

No, no.

[John Wall]

The.

[Fat Joe]

The light skinned black dude that he got hurt early from Seattle. He grew up in Seattle.

[John Wall]

Oh, Brandon Roy.

[Fat Joe]

I didn't even come out there with a fundamental game and he's killing it.

[John Wall]

Yeah, but it ain't like the crowd ain't gonna go or not. He gonna kill, but it ain't gonna go or not. Like Jamal Carver come there. Everybody's like sanimonious.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Oh man.

[John Wall]

You see what I'm saying? No, but I'm saying somebody could come in and be like, I'm a score because I'm a score. But it's not going to be electrifying. It's going to be fundamental.

[Fat Joe]

Top five. And unless you like, we ain't got.

[John Wall]

To go down the hill.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not even commenting on that. I was there for that. He don't like when I comment on that.

[John Wall]

Kd.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. Forget about that. Forget. I don't want no beef with KD. Listen, KD's the greatest. He had the greatest performance of an NBA player at Rucker park ever in history. I was there. They was throwing in the ball. Jayden. They was throwing in the ball like. And the whole five guys was coming up to him like they was trying to trap him from across the street. Water in the net. I never seen no shit.

[John Wall]

Like, don't sound like that is crazy, yo.

[Fat Joe]

But not once, Twice.

[John Wall]

Like six times in a row.

[Fat Joe]

It was like they was going, they was passing, they was taking it out. And just say two steps. It wasn't half court either. Two steps. It was like the whole team, the other team was going like this to him.

[John Wall]

But you know how you jumping over shooting that? You shoot like that outside that Rucker, you really can shoot.

[Jadakiss]

Shoot. Katie's a problem.

[Fat Joe]

Big time.

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[Fat Joe]

Top 5 point guards in your era.

[John Wall]

It was some shit. D Rose Russ Rondo There you go.

[Fat Joe]

That's my guy.

[John Wall]

People sleep on this guy and I don't know why. It wasn't too many years he did it, but Darren Williams.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, Darren Williams C Will was he was a killer.

[John Wall]

Darren Williams, he was killing Fortnite.

[Fat Joe]

He slept on the.

[John Wall]

And I go, who? Cp oh, yeah. In that time.

[Fat Joe]

Cp.

[John Wall]

But I tell you. Let me tell you the situation. You bring that down. I had a stretch. This is my rookie year. This is a stretching game. I got D Rose, Rondo. Now I go on the road. I got Darren Williams, Russ, and Steve Nash. Oh, isn't Steve Nash just running around? Steve Nash was like, come on, who set this schedule up? He was like, yo, we fired you out of all the.

[Fat Joe]

You can't smoke a blunt in a month.

[John Wall]

All them. Who you think cooked me the worst?

[Jadakiss]

Who?

[Fat Joe]

Just guess.

[John Wall]

Both of y' all guess.

[Fat Joe]

Guess. I'm saying Steve. Steve Nash.

[John Wall]

Steve Nash won 10 for 10. But he running around eating bass. I'm like, boy, ain't no way I gotta keep chasing this, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something.

[John Wall]

This is a BS Kiss.

[Fat Joe]

I stood when Tony Parker and them was the champs.

[John Wall]

He was a bamboo too.

[Fat Joe]

I stood in his house with him, right? So I went over there. I was performing for something with the San Antonio Spurs. He was like, yo, stay at my house. He gotta fuck.

[John Wall]

His house was crazy.

[Fat Joe]

He's too rich.

[John Wall]

Yeah, right?

[Fat Joe]

But I watched him. I stood there for, like, two days. And this guy wouldn't stop practicing. Like, when he was number one, he had his own gym. So it'd be like five in the morning. They come, he got practice, come back for two hours, eat breakfast, practice, did this, did this. He did this shit two days in a row. I was like, yo, is this his fucking life? This guy?

[John Wall]

That's your life?

[Fat Joe]

He was not.

[John Wall]

Nah, that's your life.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, so you was doing that?

[John Wall]

Yeah, you look at it nowadays, bro. People build gyms in their house now.

[Fat Joe]

No, listen, yo, listen to me. That guy, Tony Parker, they had him.

[John Wall]

He's one of the most stepdom guards of all time.

[Fat Joe]

Here's three beans, here's an asparagus, and go run something. Nah, they had this guy. The regimen was out of fucking control with this dude. I'm sitting. I'm like, yo, is this human life? They had this guy.

[John Wall]

Now when you locked in, you locked in. Like when you meal prep.

[Jadakiss]

You ever thought about meal prepping?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I know. I'm just trying to tell you I was there, and I was really shocked. Well, I had. I had other superstar NBA friends that were definitely not doing that. They might have been working out every day. They was getting drunk, hanging out all night.

[Jadakiss]

Hello. Tell when they was on dinner bell. Will tell. Hey, yo, you Gonna work out with me this summer. Chuck told him. Work out. There's nothing I gotta work on. I ain't work, Silver. I ain't working. That was nothing I gotta work on. Now you had your highlight. You legendary in the hall of fame of ruckus coach.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, for sure.

[Jadakiss]

Listen to my highlight of all time. During the lockout. Remember I coached CP Called me to coach his team in Winston Salem when y' all was having the runs. And look who's my team he wasn't on. Was you on my team? Yeah.

[John Wall]

Let me see. I think I was.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, you was.

[John Wall]

You had Chris at Mellow.

[Fat Joe]

He gonna have Mellow at mellow.

[Jadakiss]

Shot the ring.

[John Wall]

He beat the mob. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, look where my team was.

[Fat Joe]

Mello.

[John Wall]

Yeah, I remember that.

[Jadakiss]

Cp, John Wolf, Steph Young. Steph. He didn't even want to play that. He was on the best.

[John Wall]

He wasn't even playing for real.

[Jadakiss]

Steph.

[Fat Joe]

Katie.

[John Wall]

Rudy. Rudy K was there.

[Fat Joe]

Rudy.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, yeah.

[John Wall]

He was all on team.

[Jadakiss]

And we played against Brian D. Wade.

[John Wall]

Kyrie, Kyrie.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, my. And we won.

[John Wall]

Yeah, I showed up late.

[Fat Joe]

We won.

[Jadakiss]

Shit was real. We called timeouts. I'm going to talk to my assistants. We putting in sets.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, you wasn't there.

[John Wall]

I shut the gym down.

[Fat Joe]

No, I wasn't there.

[John Wall]

I threw the ball off the wall and windmilled it.

[Jadakiss]

Crazy.

[John Wall]

Then I went behind the back and Mellow ran on the court. They all ran on the court.

[Jadakiss]

Jim went dreaded and was in.

[John Wall]

It was over.

[Jadakiss]

That's my coaching highlight.

[John Wall]

It was lockout time.

[Fat Joe]

That was actually better than mine.

[Jadakiss]

Nah, you had years.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, but you.

[John Wall]

Yeah, but you had one. You wasn't playing. Yes, it runs in a lockout. You were scared. Lockout.

[Jadakiss]

You was in the smoke. They ain't want that smoke.

[John Wall]

Even the Goodman league, that's a D.C. league that played Barry Farm. We was going to play Drew League in la and they came down there and played us. They was going everywhere.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody was playing.

[John Wall]

You had to play. You had to pick up games because you only played six games. So we had to make out, make up games to go play.

[Fat Joe]

You know what's crazy is unsung hero to me, one of the greatest ball players of that era was Al Harrington.

[John Wall]

You're my boy, Al. Yes, sir.

[Fat Joe]

Al got busy and for some reason they never wanted to give him that light or just like, you know, he was too good for what they wanted him for. Right. That's another story. Right. I don't know if they wanted to go a different direction and he was an older player. I don't know what it was with him, but every game, nah, nah. He had a great career. But they could have just made him like the star focal point. They always made him like a supporting cast. That's what I'm saying.

[John Wall]

But.

[Fat Joe]

But I'm not talking about that. What I'm talking about is I used to go to these games. Minisync, right? And it's Al, Melo, this. And the only way to describe this shit to you was like, you ever see them pool games, like on espn where they don't miss a win seven in a row. He keep hitting this shit, side pocket this till he finally, ooh, he messed up. The other guy come and he's seven. It like they just too good. I used to watch one on one games with Al Harrington, Melo, Zach Randolph, and they would just.

[Jadakiss]

Crack.

[Fat Joe]

But it's insane. It's like the pool game that they can't miss the shit. I used to sit there, I'd be like, who's gonna win? This shit is crazy. Like, you just don't miss.

[John Wall]

I was cold, though. He was at his time too, though. He was a stretch four that could shoot threes, put the ball on the floor.

[Jadakiss]

Any good deal, Anything.

[John Wall]

He finished his career almost with us.

[Fat Joe]

In D.C. yeah, Al, he was one of my favorites.

[John Wall]

Yeah, he was in the market.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy, man. But I'm saying I used to watch pickup games like that with the NBA players.

[John Wall]

That's what I'm saying. A lot of people was coming to New York or they was going to be in LA at the time to play pickup a lot of times.

[Fat Joe]

Oh yeah, that was the point.

[John Wall]

Yeah, that was the point. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So you would come from out of town and be like, yo, I know they balling up there. Let me go home. Wow.

[Jadakiss]

It's going down.

[John Wall]

Some of my first seven years in the league, I lived in LA because it was to be the Drew League or you would be at Rico Hines at ucla, where you see the three courts, you start off in the middle, you lose, you go to the right, you lose, you on the third court, you gotta work your way back up. It's like 40 fucking big players in there, going in there.

[Fat Joe]

That's ill. Wow, I never knew that.

[John Wall]

I never heard that. No. Yeah. It be lit like that. Hell yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, shit. That's crazy.

[Jadakiss]

What was it like winning the slam dunk contest?

[John Wall]

It was cool. It was amazing. Me, I told him, I said, listen, only way I get in, I gotta make the all star game. Like If I don't ever make the All Star Game, then I ain't playing the dunk contest.

[Fat Joe]

I'm the same.

[John Wall]

I'm not that year, but that year I had a hell of a year. Like, that's when I started to become, like, the star I wanted to become. We started to win games and I was like, oh, shit, I won the dunk contest. I'm lit now. I got a little bonus. Let's go have some fun. Give them a senator bonus for your shoe deal.

[Fat Joe]

You know, with me, I always had a thing about. I never really wanted to go to award shows, even if they invited me. If I wasn't nominated for an award, I don't know why. It was just a thing.

[John Wall]

It's just like, why am I spending money to go there? Like, I can see this shit at home. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I just ain't.

[John Wall]

I be like, yo, I'm in it, yo.

[Fat Joe]

When I'm nominated or something, I'mma pull up. Like, I never understood. I would look at artists that I know and love and sitting there and they not even nominated. I'm like, what the fuck he's there for? Like, what are you doing watching everybody else win? Shit, this shit crazy. Like, no, I never understood that shit. Maybe you go in there to socialize.

[Jadakiss]

How do you feel about the dunk contest now? What is it missing?

[John Wall]

What is the most exciting thing for me? I'm like, the stars. The stars gotta be in it.

[Jadakiss]

They probably feel like you, though.

[John Wall]

No, the stars are an All Star Game, though. You know what I mean? Like, you want to see. Like, come on, bro. You know you want to see a Ja Morant Zion Williamson. You know what I mean? Like, you want to see.

[Jadakiss]

He said he ain't going unless he make it. Yeah, like you.

[John Wall]

But he make the All Star Game. But he ain't made it. Who still they've been hurt, so he.

[Jadakiss]

Ain'T getting in the dunk.

[John Wall]

But, like, those, like, you know, I mean, you gotta think.

[Fat Joe]

He'S like a baby. Demarcus Cousins in the. Meaning it.

[John Wall]

Meaning what?

[Fat Joe]

Meaning that what he got.

[John Wall]

I throw this flag. So.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, I'm saying he's injury prone. No, no, no.

[John Wall]

Boogie never got hurt till he got new up. So when he told. That's what happens. Zion been hurt since Duke.

[Fat Joe]

I get that. That's what I'm.

[Jadakiss]

What I'm saying is Zion been hurt since Duke.

[Fat Joe]

I get it. What I'm saying to you is that Zion, because he's been hurt so perfectly healthy Zion, he don't make the all star game.

[Jadakiss]

He will, but he perfectly healthy. Zion is fucking killing what he do.

[John Wall]

The dunk contest is what we saying. Like both of him and Josh said they wouldn't do it no matter what. Like Josh said, I think he's too.

[Fat Joe]

Big to be in the contest.

[John Wall]

But Ja Morant, shit, everybody want to see that.

[Fat Joe]

No, Ja Morant's great. I'm talking about Zion.

[John Wall]

When you used to watch you at col, Kobe in there, you had Vince in there. T, Mac Steve, you had all the stars in it. So that's what we want to see.

[Fat Joe]

It started with LeBron, who we call the King. Yeah, he should have been in when he started. Like, yo, I'm not doing it. That's when everybody else got.

[John Wall]

Well, I tell you one thing though. A lot of guys be in game dunker. They're not dunk content dunkers. It's different.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[John Wall]

Now the spotlight is on you and you by yourself. Ain't no.

[Fat Joe]

And they got a little white boy. They got a little white boy bust their ass every year. He got the G League, G Lee. They give him a 10 day contest.

[John Wall]

But the best contest and he come bust their ass. Women should have been a top car. That was impeccable.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, that was crazy.

[John Wall]

They were doing some. I was like, what?

[Fat Joe]

Well, the craziest was Vince Carter. Come on. Vince Carter was insane.

[John Wall]

That was incredible. But Zach Levine, free throw line. Come on, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Like, no, no, no. We taught it.

[John Wall]

I see Vince, but see, Vince was in. Nobody never seen it before, Vincent.

[Fat Joe]

That's what I'm trying to say.

[John Wall]

But now you go to these guys.

[Fat Joe]

It'S always the first.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, that is.

[John Wall]

But you ain't never seen nobody go between the left and the free throw line.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no. But what I'm trying to tell you is they always face they faced.

[Jadakiss]

Juan was a hell of a dunk.

[John Wall]

He listen, he was impeccable. But getting the dunk contest. Remember he was on the Knicks. The motherfucker kept hitting the back. Boo. Ms.

[Jadakiss]

Madness.

[John Wall]

I'm like, come on, James, he know you can do this. Like we say you do this plenty of time. We met him from the free throw line.

[Fat Joe]

That's my other man. The dark skinned dude. He end up playing in ball skins.

[Jadakiss]

Nah, I'm fried, dude.

[John Wall]

That's fast.

[Fat Joe]

That's Monte Ellis. But we know who he is. Who's the dark skinned dude? He used to dunk his fucking ass off, man.

[Jadakiss]

Joe Green, Eli Skin.

[John Wall]

He's Boston.

[Jadakiss]

I don't.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no, no.

[John Wall]

Dawson.

[Fat Joe]

No, he's Dawson. Oh, no, they was a motherfucker. Not on. Just Boston. He was on a bunch of other teams.

[John Wall]

He was a big man.

[Fat Joe]

You know who I used to love? Finley. Michael Finley. I'm not talking about Michael Finley. Michael Finley's game.

[John Wall]

Yeah, two foot. Yeah, two foot jump.

[Fat Joe]

I used to love his game.

[John Wall]

Hot step is over. But you gotta look at Desmond. What's his name?

[Jadakiss]

Desmond Howard.

[John Wall]

Nope. Desmond. He hasn't been.

[Jadakiss]

He was on it, Sonic's. And he was.

[John Wall]

Dad. Mason.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, Desmond Mason. I did his wedding.

[John Wall]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

If you got an anniversary, we attack team now.

[John Wall]

J.

[Jadakiss]

Rich. You talking J. Rich.

[Fat Joe]

He was never on board.

[Jadakiss]

So Golden State.

[John Wall]

And played on Golden State.

[Fat Joe]

He didn't play his final son got.

[John Wall]

Stupid bounce right now in high school, I'm positive. He won a dunk contest at the slant joint, man. In New York. Yo, youngest son.

[Jadakiss]

Yo, that Jay Rich, he was a monster.

[Fat Joe]

He was a monsoon, though. His son is doing that.

[John Wall]

He just go. You could Google it, YouTube. And he just want to slam dunk content. They had a working part.

[Fat Joe]

He was the one.

[John Wall]

Crazy Jay Rich, he might have more bounce than his dad. I ain't gonna lie.

[Fat Joe]

More than his father.

[John Wall]

Oh, the. He was doing that dumb contest. I'm like, no way. The oldest son, you know, the oldest son was at Michigan State.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[John Wall]

Matter of fact, his son plays with the boozers. He go to school with the boozers. Toys.

[Fat Joe]

One time, there was a guy in.

[John Wall]

The Waffle Lumbers, Columbus Hospital.

[Fat Joe]

There was a guy in the ruckus. You remember the Wally Dickerson, the main event?

[Jadakiss]

Oh, Wally. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

This guy say the basket was here, right? This is the basket in the air, right? This guy would be over the shit. Like, he could just fall asleep on the whoom. I never seen nobody. His dunks were equivalent to Mike Tyson knocking the dude out. When Mike Tyson went boom and the dude 4 that crowd, every dunk was like, whoa. Like, I'll be in the back. I'd be like, y' all gotta see this.

[Jadakiss]

Like.

[Fat Joe]

Like. Like. He was like. You felt like he was just tearing.

[John Wall]

The rim off when you missed it back then. And you had no cast.

[Fat Joe]

No, it ain't no cable. It's the Rucker.

[Jadakiss]

No, I'm just saying you missed it, though. You missed it.

[John Wall]

Everybody's seen that shit. You be like, nah.

[Fat Joe]

Imagine I'm outside. I'm outside talking to my team. We got the next game, and the crowd is going, b. N. I'm like, yo, yo, yo. You know we gotta win. Yo, yo. I'm dying to see this Guy dunk.

[John Wall]

But you know, that's the best at KFC AU games, though. You ain't get to the gym yet or you playing on other court. You just hear that motherfucker rattling. They be like, yo, who the fuck? That's that boy over there. Like, damn, I got to pause my game to go watch this.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy.

[John Wall]

At camp, they used to stop games and just be like, nah, we gonna watch this game for real. When they done.

[Fat Joe]

Hell, yeah. That's it. If somebody was going crazy.

[John Wall]

ABCD camp, they probably stopped games when they was at ABCD camp up there. Hell, yeah. When O.J. and Lance was going at it, everybody.

[Jadakiss]

Stopped to watch this.

[John Wall]

I gotta see this. Lance and who? O.J. mayo.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah, this one.

[John Wall]

Lance was a freshman. I'm an eighth grader.

[Fat Joe]

I can't lie. I gotta give it up to Sebastian. I want a couple of those. They had the league in, man. And then I seen him one day. He had a dude like a bobblehead. Yo, one day, dude was checking him. I ain't gonna lie to you. He had him with the bobblehead. The dude was checking him. The dude's head was like, yo, I'm looking for the crowd. He got the dude like, the bobblehead, like, I never seen pulling it back. He had like. You know, when you got a sucker for a move, like, you know you got him, you.

[John Wall]

You just keep fucking.

[Fat Joe]

He ain't twisting around. Bobbleheading. This was up there trying to theorize.

[John Wall]

And then Antonio Daniel. Oh, yeah.

[Jadakiss]

He had.

[John Wall]

Doing this, like, I know I got you. You on the rose.

[Fat Joe]

Well, AI wasn't fair for AI. The whole thing wasn't fair. I was with AI every day. Google that, guys. And let me tell you something. Them coats he was getting fined for was FJ560 coats. I'm in Philly with AI. AI was getting fined for his clothes every day. What, 15,000 for wearing street clothes?

[John Wall]

Yeah. They changed the dress code. Cause of him.

[Fat Joe]

They changed the dress code because of AI. AI. They worked so much against this guy. Like, they were. So they hated AI, to be honest with you. They hated. They had a real guy like that in the league, and they couldn't control him.

[Jadakiss]

All the kids wanted to be.

[John Wall]

Seen. A guy make it from the hood that really did it the way he wanted, the whole way. So you like, oh, this is possible.

[Fat Joe]

And they ain't like that.

[John Wall]

Then you got the rappers, man. So he was. Yo, this is definitely possible.

[Fat Joe]

I was with him. I don't smoke. I don't drink. The coach used to look at me side eyes all the time, like he swore was Fat Joe Kulay Brown. Yeah, it's not even Larry Brown. What's the owner?

[Jadakiss]

Oh, Pat Croce.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, Pat Croce. He straight up told me, you know, I did the movie with him, with Adam Sandler. That movie they filming. Basketball movie.

[John Wall]

Adam Sandler.

[Fat Joe]

Right, with Adam Sandler. But Pat Croce was one of the cameos. Like me. Cause we in the movie, we go to a funeral. And he said, fat Joe, I said, I've been watching you. I'm glad how your career ended. I said, yeah. He said, I used to tell him, keep Chuck away from you this and that. You come to the games this. I said, yo, pass. I don't drink, I don't smoke. I don't get in trouble. I don't know why the fuck he was watching them from me. I'm actually the good guy.

[John Wall]

You think you're the one that got him lit?

[Fat Joe]

He thought I was the guy. And I was over there, sober as a motherfucker, hanging out with them, you know what I'm saying? But, yo, AI, man, you know, he.

[John Wall]

Did it his way, man. He said a trend, though, big trend he turned. But now you look at it now. You can dress any type of way, like, it don't even matter.

[Fat Joe]

They don't give them credit, but now they fucking salute.

[Jadakiss]

Now they do the Runway Runway fit check. Yeah, he's supposed to get right.

[Fat Joe]

Here we go. Let me get the flag. Let me get the flag. The red one. Calling reparations for. For AI. AI got fined 15,000 a game for dressing. And now the NBA is showing SGA's outfit. Everybody reparations money back for AI. I'm calling that one.

[Jadakiss]

I like that.

[Fat Joe]

I'm saying there's a foul.

[Jadakiss]

It's gonna fall on deaf ears. But I like.

[Fat Joe]

All right, well, you gotta try. You know, we have the number one podcast in the game, bro. Number one. Don't get it fucked up. We set the trends. We the guys moving the needle, the culture, you know what I'm saying? Every day. Like, I never seen guys getting punched in their face so much. Like every episode. A legend, A legend. A legend. A legend. A legend. A legend. A legend. A legend. A legend. Imagine you going up against that. You see, you know, you never seen a podcast three months old, where got every legendary John Ball every, every day. Last night, DJ Khaled, baby 4 Rayquan. And have it today. Like, it's disgusting out there. These guys are flabby and sick. They dated. That they doing. They doing the electric boogie right now. Is up out here. We coming up here. Yo, I'm gonna let y' all know. Nah, not your job. I have to let them know. Don't think you guys don't think. I don't know what we're doing. I know what the fuck we doing to you. We paralyzing you guys. You switching your style. What my man said, what Jay Z said. They jacking the slang. With Jay Z in the record. When he goes in there taking out. Starting jacking the slang or. Get your hands up, bro. Right now you got Joe Crack. You got top five dead or a lot Joe Crack tell us stories. Whether you think it's cap or not, but it's the most incredible. I'm talking to you about the Taliban. I met everybody, okay? So they sitting at home, they like, yo, this guy crazy, right? He's saying that right now. Nah, he already know what time it is. My thing is those guys. All right. Their podcast started today. Said they got somebody. Hey, how you doing? You seen the weather? Yo, my man, all that is dinosaur. We changing the podcast game from now on. If you don't come with your shit and you don't talk that type of shit, you had it. I can't. It's like going back. It's like we watched it. That's what the mother podcast look like right now, flabby. And you know what's up? You in the game. Going like this. Going like this. Looking like damn. Hey, I get it. We humble. Don't fall for that. He keeps telling me, yo, stay humble. I don't know how to be humble, man. I've been on my. Since I'm 14. Since I'm 14. I've been on some Dapper Dan fly. Don't give a. Don't care who. You know my number. You never. You ever knew what my number one and now. Cause.

[Jadakiss]

Crazy joke segment.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, it's a crazy arrow.

[John Wall]

You in your zone.

[Jadakiss]

This is the Crazy Joe segment.

[Fat Joe]

I hit him with the. Then I gave him the name.

[Jadakiss]

Boom.

[Fat Joe]

Then I gave him the arrow. The. The Hunger Games sponsored by many about these.

[Jadakiss]

It's the crazy joke about them. Sponsored by many.

[Fat Joe]

Sponsored by some type of medicine, right? They gotta give me some medicine or something, man. Cuz I'm. I'm.

[Jadakiss]

Listen, listen. You got a guest over here. He's distraught. He's looking at you. He don't know what the is going on and just went. You went. You got off the highway on the.

[Fat Joe]

Show well, who you came close to fighting. They didn't even come back with that because I'm now. Now I'm on some. So my. My adrenaline is on another.

[Jadakiss]

What was that? What's your score? 52. What was you.

[Fat Joe]

I didn't know I got all the podcasts.

[John Wall]

I was in a different zone, but I was pissed we lost. But I was in the zone, though. I was in a zone. I was in the zone. Like you just get in that mode where like you said a basket just look like the ocean. Dang. Every shot I see, like I ain't missing.

[Jadakiss]

Is that true in the NBA game? It gotta be like for me, like.

[John Wall]

I always explain to people I can go get buckets whenever, but that wasn't for my team to win. I had to get everybody involved. Facts. I mean I wasn't have to be a scoring poor guard, but when I needed to, I could do it.

[Fat Joe]

But I gotta be honest with you, John. I literally prayed and pick up games if be like, God, if you will, let me get the basket this big, let me hit this shit 30 times in a row. I literally prayed. I didn't know if it was actually true. And pick up games. I wish I could have just been.

[John Wall]

Like, I'm telling you, you know, with.

[Fat Joe]

The highlight reel, it never works.

[John Wall]

We just had this talking birthday dinner today. It's like we was like, what you averaging in the summer? It's like one summer I was averaging like 70. Like, it's like I couldn't miss no matter why I played. It's like whoever was in front of my life, like you getting cooked.

[Fat Joe]

You just saying that.

[John Wall]

Just get to a point where like, no matter who in front of you, just like the basket is like in front of you. I'm saying like baskets contestants, you seeing.

[Fat Joe]

That shit like this? No, you don't see nobody.

[John Wall]

You, not even you thought you hit.

[Fat Joe]

The rim and the expanded and the.

[John Wall]

Shit went like a cartoonist. Today.

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[Fat Joe]

So John Wall Commentator I like that you know what I'm saying? I believe that people who played the game, their blood, sweat and tears come up here, talk about when they 13 years old and now they got so much knowledge of the game they played against Kobe Bryant, AI this and that. Got something to say? That's what I'm talking about. When I look at these other podcasts, you see these motherfuckers never did shit in their life, you know what I'm saying? Never rapped, never played the game, never fucking gave out a flyer, never said hi I'm Fat Joe and gave him a poster or kissed a baby or kissed somebody's ass to get his record played on the radio or fucking promoted. Sick Doberman pictures on you. I mean, you ain't get that in the NBA. No, no, no. We went to kissing babies like, you know, you gotta.

[John Wall]

I said something else.

[Fat Joe]

What? I said kissing ass. You gotta kiss ass to get in the fucking up radio. I'm telling you a fact of life.

[John Wall]

I believe you.

[Fat Joe]

The radio game is all politics. So you gotta go over there, magic going up in there, think of the biggest stars you ever seen in your life. They gotta walk in there and act like they like them people and k, hey, how you guys doing? You heard my new song? These guys, billionaires say, a guy like, I know he don't do it, but at once in his life, he had to do it. Say a guy like Chris Brown, who's floating in the air right now in stadiums every day, he has had to go to the radio station, say, this is my new song. Please play it. You powerful people, you gods on the earth. Can you play that? You have to play that game with these radio people like this. I had a song when number five in the country, man. I want say his name because he supported me.

[Jadakiss]

You got to say some of these guys names, man.

[Fat Joe]

We ain't journalist, can't say his name. What I'mma say is this, man, I wouldn't do it because the man did support me for 20 years straight. The one record he didn't want to support would have went number one. If he went and told all his DJs, y' all ain't feeling that. That's like Fat Joe telling the Terror Squad, y' all ain't feeling that. But him jumping on that call with them 40 DJs, telling him, Yo, I'm not really feeling this Fat Joe record. But he supported me my whole life. So I would be a sucker if I start cursing him out or beefing with him. Because a man supported me. On 40 Records is the one record he took off. But I missed out on the number one. The shit went number five. And he said, yo, man, give it a chance. The shit would have went number one in America. But this is the type of power they have. But that's just one aspect. But when I'm looking at podcasts and the guys, I don't know these guys. Who's these guys? Guys sitting there talking about this and this and that. And then I looked at one podcast, because now I'm in the podcast.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I don't even. I couldn't tell you the nigga's name. Yo, I couldn't tell you his name if I wanted to, is what I'm trying to tell you. But he's somebody. So the other day, because, you know, I'm in, bro. I'm in the podcast world right now. I believe, like me and him. No, no, I'm doing the analytics. I'm doing this. I know what to win, I know what to do. I know what that. I'm studying this game. So I'm studying this one guy, he got a lot of juice. But I'm sitting there. He said. He said the other day in the interview, yeah, when we did this and this, I was like, oh, he did something. So I want to know what he did in the industry. I know Tater Kiss. I know Nori. I know. I'm like, well, what does this guy did? So now here, he was like, yeah, you know, when they try to come backstage, they dis and that. I said, ah. He was down with them. I guess that's he because.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, you got the Notorious. I just seen recent me when he came out and did the Dougie. He said, Gil gave. Gil. Gil gave some bread to do that.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, don't do the Dougie, bro. No, he killed it. I'm against the Dougie back then.

[John Wall]

That was 2010. I was cool.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, let me tell you something. I came on here. Kiss always trying to defend y'. All. I'm not with the basketball player. I'm not with LeBron James being 40 years old. Doing that's done, my man. You 40 years old. Do a two step. Do something. Yo, LeBron, you gotta stop. You gotta stop. You a cock diesel. 7 foot dude doing the. The young dudes just doing it. Pointing it like, yo, you got. What is the leg, by the way? I'm old.

[John Wall]

I never worked.

[Fat Joe]

Some of us gotta realize that they're getting old too. And you can't be doing the twins dance. Whatever the twins are doing on Tick Tock right now. Sepan J is not supposed to do that right now. Me either. But what I'm telling you is I do see. I do see. LeBron James.

[Jadakiss]

Do whatever dancing you want to.

[Fat Joe]

Used to hate that. I go in the club and seven foot start doing the thing.

[John Wall]

Seven foot, though.

[Jadakiss]

What's wrong with this guy?

[Fat Joe]

What got me out of Dougie doing.

[Jadakiss]

The Dougie music you listen to, what kind of rappers you like? What was the music? What's your type of music for working out or what kind of did you warm up?

[John Wall]

Well, he break dance mine like wheezy, not cause you here, but You I like dirt like that. I like Lil Dirt Dirt Free Smurf. I listen to Future no Doubt Pluto though. Gotta listen a few my nephews. That's really it. For real.

[Jadakiss]

That's fire.

[John Wall]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Who's your nephews?

[John Wall]

Yeah, they young artists.

[Fat Joe]

Shout them out.

[John Wall]

They know about them. They just came home. So shout out then. They about to get back in the music business.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, they just came home.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, no doubt. Welcome home. Let's go. Send me something.

[Fat Joe]

God bless. So that's your guys?

[John Wall]

Yeah, my nephew.

[Fat Joe]

You love hip hop? No, no nephews. You know, we gotta, we gotta.

[John Wall]

Yeah. I love music though. I listen to music all day, I think.

[Fat Joe]

So what would you listen to in the big game? Like you going to playoffs?

[John Wall]

I'm on Carter 3 dedication too.

[Fat Joe]

I'm locked in that Carter 3 changed my life.

[John Wall]

That's all. Through like middle school, high school for me. So year in college. That's all I was listening to. Like you gonna ever change this shit? Hell no. I had a Black Ultima on 10s. That's all I was bumping.

[Fat Joe]

I think if I was a ball player and I'm about to play a big game, I'm listening to some dmx, something.

[John Wall]

Yeah, I used to look like I'm.

[Fat Joe]

Bring it when you right here. We ain't going anywhere when you br. Like I'm trying to listen to some like that.

[John Wall]

Yeah, I listen to like I'm me, cuz I'm me. You feel me? Like you give me my zone.

[Fat Joe]

Like I'm here. No, I'm with the Carter 3. I'm with everything Lil Wayne ever did, in fact. Lil Wayne, I mean, let's salute Wayne. Let's salute the game, right? Cause when you listen to traditional west coast music, although game could touch it, his sound has always been universal. It could be east coast, down, whatever. Game got a sound that could go everywhere, right? And with Lil Wayne, he was the first guy to come like really straight out the south. Of course you got Goody Mob, you got got Andre 3000, but that sound like south music. This guy was rapping to like hardcore beats, but was throwing these flows on the shit it never been seen. I'll tell you one Lil Wayne story. We do the taking over with Khaled. I thought I had everybody. When you see crack, better duck like the Mac gotta east fat. They don't want. I don't give a fuck, I run it. I thought I had had everybody on. I heard everybody's verse. No, I don't think that all the time. I'm not. Not for sure I'm not.

[John Wall]

But you always delusional.

[Fat Joe]

No, I don't always think that I'm confident. No, no. There's some times I know it's gonna.

[John Wall]

Be like that, but in the time.

[Fat Joe]

Being, I don't think I'm the best. I make anthems. It is what it is. But that one record, I thought I had him kiss. And then we go and I go with Callie, he says, yo, come with me. Let's convince Wayne to get on this record. I said, no problem. We play it for Wayne. Wayne is in the studio. He's not even in the big studio. He's upstairs in the Hit Factory. But upstairs, he got a room with just the whole shit of speakers. And he's up in there. He plays the shit and he's staring at the speakers. He gets in the studio, in the booth. Booth. They crank it up. He goes, I am the beast. Feed me hip hop or feed me beats I Unless on easy street. Why relax on easy? I said, why did I bring talent over here, beg this to get on this record? Like I begged him. I begged you to get on New York. I don't know if you recall, Fat Joe begged you to get on New York and send you that beat. Lil Wayne, I begged him to get on taking over. I'm telling you the truth. Okay? I got you, remember?

[Jadakiss]

I don't recall.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm just telling you that's what happened. I'm telling you what happened. Same thing with Lil Wayne. I go over there, yo, we really need you. Wheezy ain't I am a beast. Feed me hip hop or feed me beast. I'm unwrapped on DJ Street. Why relax on easy Street?

[Jadakiss]

I was like, it's crazy.

[Fat Joe]

I walk out of that studio dizzy by. No, it was, hello. You thinking, oh, yeah, Joe, you know, you gotta feel like you the best. No, I walked out of them stairs knowing I got destroyed on that shit. I'm walking down the stairs, like, callous, like, yo, we got it. You heard what he said? I'm like, fuck outta here, bro. The motherfucker done destroyed my sign like a motherfucker on this. I thought I finally had these guys. He can't. Nah, nah. Lil Wayne, he different.

[Jadakiss]

We taking over.

[Fat Joe]

Monte Ellis, he was a step ahead of everybody. I'm telling you guys. You look at him and he's at the basket beautifully, right? Lil Wayne, he was a step ahead. He was a little bit it faster. He was a little. He was a little. It was something to him. Where he dumb out. He just. You like that too, but he dumb out. Like, he just be like there and he ain't gonna let go. He's like a pit bull. Once he got you and you like, oh, shit. He shit, he just won't stop. He'll just keep doubling, tripling, quadrupling down on that shit. Come on, man. Man was taking beats. He was thinking about Jay Z. What's the shit he did over the. With the Jay Z be. Remember when Lil Wayne did that? We didn't even know you could rhyme to that.

[Jadakiss]

With Jay Z be.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no. He did one of them. I don't know what it was. He did one of them shits over so legendary that Lil Wayne on there. I didn't know you could rap like that on that beat like we did.

[Jadakiss]

He.

[Fat Joe]

He heard that. Listen, man, John Wall, man, we thank you for putting up with me, man.

[Jadakiss]

Man, when the season start?

[John Wall]

October 26th, I think y. I can't wait. Get ready. 24th is all right. Dirk Nowitzki is commentator Blake Griffin. Dirk me, you Donis D. Wade, Steve Nash, Candace Parker and Rudy Gay.

[Fat Joe]

Now we're going. I love Candace Parker as an analyst. Rudy Gay's always got guy, right, but where's then October 24th.

[Jadakiss]

When is he doing the Knicks game? When is can't wait.

[Fat Joe]

Michael Jordan commentating?

[John Wall]

He on another different network.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, he on different network.

[Fat Joe]

So you don't say to know.

[John Wall]

That's NBC with if you not analyzing.

[Fat Joe]

If you not. If. If you not. If you not talking. Commentating that day, you not watching MJ to see what he's saying on that M. What you think MJ gonna sound like? Could you do a personation of how MJ gonna sound?

[John Wall]

Hell, no. I ain't. I ain't got no real convers. Real relationship.

[Fat Joe]

I don't even know. I know I do, but Jada do too. But what I'm saying is what he's gonna sound like.

[Jadakiss]

Do an impersonation of mj.

[Fat Joe]

We gotta get Aries Spears before the season. Is he definitely will do the mj.

[John Wall]

Aries Spears do mj. But like, not no analyst. Like, we don't know what the hell he gonna talk about.

[Fat Joe]

That's what I can't believe.

[John Wall]

Like what you think they're gonna talk about? Talking about ISOs at the elbow, you know, that's his bread and butter.

[Jadakiss]

Isos at the elbow.

[John Wall]

You gotta see what else he on. Talk about body me. I can't wait to work with Steve Cash. I want to pick his brand.

[Fat Joe]

Dirk Nowitzki one of the greatest players ever. He was water from the three.

[John Wall]

His run. Finals run.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, he was out of.

[John Wall]

I'm just saying his finals run, like he was unconscious.

[Fat Joe]

Dirk Nowitzki. When I used to play the 2K, I always played with Dirk.

[John Wall]

I'm saying, the teams he went through in that finals was crazy. Everyone run.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. He beat who? Miami, right?

[Jadakiss]

Yeah.

[John Wall]

Yeah. But he had to get to the west first. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Dirk was in. Dirk is the unsung. Dirk is an unsung hero. My favorite. My favorite power forward of all time, Tim Duncan. And he didn't need to be flash. He didn't need to be flashy. He just got the job done. Big fundamental, big fundamental. Got the job done all the time.

[John Wall]

But it had a squad in the system.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no, they had.

[John Wall]

It was like the Patriots. That's facts.

[Fat Joe]

What's my man from Paris? What's my man. No, no, the other one.

[John Wall]

Boris Diao.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, Boris Dia was from Paris too. Nah.

[Jadakiss]

Oh, he's so good.

[Fat Joe]

He started the shit.

[John Wall]

Started Argentina.

[Fat Joe]

Argentina. Argentina. No, Ginobly.

[John Wall]

Started Paris.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, my God. I know. I fucked up. I fucked. They both. Gobert's also Gobert. Oh, they at.

[Jadakiss]

Man, he ain't on his first.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, what's up with Rudy Gobert? You don't rate him like that.

[John Wall]

No comment.

[Fat Joe]

Damn. You seen your band. Julius Randle just said he did great last year. Cause he ain't smoke weed. He played sober. And he said with the Knicks and all that he was high every day. And he was just in his own.

[John Wall]

Sister say queen smoking.

[Fat Joe]

He just said that.

[John Wall]

Quit smoking.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, no. I'm telling you what I'm saying. But I saw it.

[John Wall]

Well, look, you gotta look like this though. Some people can do it, some people can't. Like some people can drink and go get you 30 every night. Everybody body different.

[Fat Joe]

I get it.

[John Wall]

But that's a fact. No, I'm just saying like, so he probably.

[Fat Joe]

You're always with the smokers.

[Jadakiss]

Facts.

[John Wall]

I'm not saying the smoke. I'm just saying, like, you got some people that can drink all night and don't get no rest and gonna get.

[Fat Joe]

You four sex eggs last year truly taste our clay.

[Jadakiss]

He should have said nothing. Cause how about if he this year he have a gonna have to smoke again.

[Fat Joe]

He ain't never gonna. He ain't never gonna have a garbage yet. Julius Wa is a tough place.

[Jadakiss]

Like a D clock.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, he might.

[John Wall]

You know that's my guy.

[Jadakiss]

I hope he don't.

[Fat Joe]

I love the guy, but he brought up Rudy Gobert. I thought about it because they on the same team. What you think about my man Anthony Edwards Killer.

[John Wall]

He has that old school mentality. I ain't got no friends when I get between these four.

[Jadakiss]

I don't care who is out here. Yeah, I'm killing.

[John Wall]

I just wish he'd go to the basket more, though, that's all. Too athletic, too fast. But with the league, they want him to shoot 14, 3 the game. But him, there's nothing you could do with him.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, this guy sga, nice couple.

[John Wall]

You know what school he went to? That's facts.

[Fat Joe]

Best dress NBA player of all time. Sga, if you argue with me, you wearing the red Nike. Shit, bro. Like, you gotta chill.

[John Wall]

Yo. I can't tell.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, sga, who's the best dressed NBA all time.

[Jadakiss]

He only got.

[Fat Joe]

He's frying out there like, SGA's get wardrobe. He's out of control. Fashion week every day. He's our problem. Sga, go now. Do me a favor. Yeah, I would wear that. Yeah, I'll wear that. If it's fly, I'm gonna wear. He's cooking.

[Jadakiss]

He throw that on.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, he throw that.

[Jadakiss]

Super sometime. I can't.

[John Wall]

I can't get jiggy with something that's wrong. The fashion show, some of that. I can't do it.

[Jadakiss]

I can't get jingy with.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, I don't think he. I don't. I don't. I really don't get what y' all saying. Like, I think he can. Some of them guys now he ain't wearing a skirt.

[John Wall]

I'm just asking a question.

[Fat Joe]

That's the problem. I'm telling you. He's not wearing a skirt.

[Jadakiss]

He did.

[John Wall]

I'm asking, would you wear it for fashion?

[Fat Joe]

No. Some of the rappers you just said was top five was wearing skirts and all that over there. Them don't you talking to wrong guy.

[Jadakiss]

But skirt Trey, man, throw that on. He throw that.

[John Wall]

He throw that throwback jersey backwards.

[Fat Joe]

Nobody on the planet Earth. Okay. Ball players. Nobody on the planet Earth.

[John Wall]

Top guys in the world right now.

[Fat Joe]

Sga, top five.

[John Wall]

That's one.

[Jadakiss]

He must have sent you a package.

[Fat Joe]

You don't even send me.

[John Wall]

He gave me Converses.

[Fat Joe]

No, first SGA is throwing that.

[John Wall]

Okay, cool. I'm saying name me for other guy. You say. They put that.

[Fat Joe]

It's hard. I'm just saying these guys really light years ahead of everybody. I'm trying to tell you. Other people, they throw.

[John Wall]

He's going through that vintage.

[Jadakiss]

He just hunt throw that I'm be having that on too.

[Fat Joe]

LeBron throw some good on.

[John Wall]

Got that going. That old vintage.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but sga. He throw that shit. Sometimes they do too much, huh?

[John Wall]

Alexander Walker get fly too, Too.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know.

[John Wall]

That's his cousin. He the one that word.

[Jadakiss]

Throw that on.

[John Wall]

Yeah, boy. Getting fly.

[Fat Joe]

He should be better.

[John Wall]

He is. It's just a wrong situation, bro. Like, listen, let me explain something to you. It's all about where you get drafted at and what teams with you. One wrong situation, four years put you on.

[Fat Joe]

I seen him. He's first played. I seen him. I was like, oh, this guy's gonna be.

[John Wall]

It's just right. It's just right situation.

[Fat Joe]

No, listen, if you stopped me watching, I was like, yo, he. I was bragging to everybody. Oh, okay. About to be the man.

[John Wall]

I'm gonna name you three people right now. Who? Julius ran up the Lakers. He was just okay, right?

[Fat Joe]

Yes, sir.

[John Wall]

Got to the Knicks get to All Star. New All Star.

[Fat Joe]

I'm saying they could always. It's a ranking question. Whose five players that you call an unsung hero. That right now. Got that? You see, they're not getting their props. And in like two years, three years, they can explode. They playing right now, but they not. Look at Bo. He playing, but not playing.

[John Wall]

I think there's Garland be underrated. John Nicaminga underrated.

[Fat Joe]

Garland is like a loser, man. I'm just keeping it involved.

[John Wall]

They just want teaming ease.

[Fat Joe]

He fold all the time, man. He not the one. He not the. Trust me, he's not the one.

[John Wall]

He knocked their team, first of all. He's not no one guy on their team, though.

[Fat Joe]

No. Donovan Mitchell. Dad had ninth.

[John Wall]

We not saying that, but shit. He unfolded a couple times too.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but Utah, he did the whole team.

[John Wall]

Come on, you can't.

[Jadakiss]

You just.

[John Wall]

How you gonna blame Darris Garland when he the third best on the team? You go through Donovan Mitchell, then you go to Evan Mobley, Dennis, Darius, Garland. He's talking about first two guys.

[Fat Joe]

You think Garland is third?

[John Wall]

Who else?

[Fat Joe]

I'm thinking he's second.

[John Wall]

Evan Mobley's. They go to guy the second option.

[Fat Joe]

So who else? Who you saying you just. Which he's talented. All right.

[John Wall]

There's a lot of people that fold, though. It ain't just you. You gotta get some help.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, it ain't just you. You right. You correct. So you ain't got no more unsung hero folks who should be like, I.

[John Wall]

Get another Jamal Murray underrated than me. Like a lot of People don't give him his credit. He should have been an all star already on the West.

[Fat Joe]

He's another one. Ain't a dog.

[John Wall]

It ain't got to be a dog. But I'm just.

[Fat Joe]

You ain't married. At play with Denver, with Yogic. Oh, no. He's incredible.

[John Wall]

Yes, but he's never been all star. Hang though.

[Fat Joe]

Okay.

[John Wall]

Like how I finish one?

[Fat Joe]

So you light skinned dude that used to play for Atlanta that they traded him.

[John Wall]

Oh, you talking about.

[Fat Joe]

What's his name?

[John Wall]

John Collins?

[Fat Joe]

Nah, John Collins was really good. But there's another light skinned kid they traded from Atlanta. They acted like he. He is like a star. He just ain't a merge. Like, I think his name is Murray.

[John Wall]

Oh, you talking about Dejante Murray?

[Fat Joe]

Dejante. No, he's cold.

[Jadakiss]

Yeah, he's on.

[Fat Joe]

All right.

[John Wall]

But you got thing though. All right, let me.

[Fat Joe]

He's really talented. Can you taste? I like Trey Young a lot.

[John Wall]

When you fit Young a lot, right? Nice. Right, Right. A lot of people always want to leave Atlanta when they playing with him. Nobody really wants to stay. He's nice, cold. Like, I feel like he's underrated, but it just some people don't like playing with him. Dejounte. Murray was killing with the Spurs.

[Fat Joe]

Not for nothing, Trey Young might be the most underrated. He might be the most killer.

[John Wall]

Yeah, no, he definitely do that.

[Jadakiss]

He can't roll the dice.

[John Wall]

The half court shot.

[Jadakiss]

Why he do that? Man, he hit his weak.

[John Wall]

I used to cook, y'. All.

[Fat Joe]

No, no.

[John Wall]

Yeah, I did. 360 left, boy. You was at the game probably, huh? Yeah, John, it was Christmas. I know you was there.

[Fat Joe]

Listen.

[John Wall]

That was a good gift.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, y' all gotta come up with the picture. Fat Joe with the Santa hat on with him scoring, him doing the 360 layup. Man, we done got cooked so many times this especially on Christmas. You should buy tickets to get cook. Like, yo, Kobe coming. You think gonna drop 60 or 70, like that's what motherfuckers is going to see us get cooked. This man.

[Jadakiss]

Niggas getting another bag in the garden, though.

[John Wall]

Spotlight, bro. It's a Mecca I never get. You dream of like, it's certain places like that. You go to la, you go to Miami. You like I gotta put on the show. Cause nine times ten, you outside.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something.

[John Wall]

I in the Mecca, the lights get dark.

[Fat Joe]

I'm friends.

[John Wall]

Are you on the stage with a.

[Fat Joe]

Lot of NBA players? A lot of them. I've been to their house. They don't like the Knicks. They don't like New York, but they all got a post of the most they scored in New York. It showed Madison Square garden. I dropped 52. I dropped 43 discs. I'm like, yo, bro, if you don't give a fuck about New York, it's the Mecca. We ain't shit. Why you got the one poster where you drop 42 on us on your wall things the Mecca.

[Jadakiss]

Let's get ready for the season, y'.

[Fat Joe]

All.

[Jadakiss]

Thank my brother John Wall for coming through. Appreciate you. Look out for him on Amazon. It's all about Amazon, man. Check them out doing Happy birthday. Happy belated to him. Happy birthday to our brother Rich. This ain't that.

[Fat Joe]

That ain't this.

[Jadakiss]

It's cracking. Kiss. We want to thank our guest John Wall for coming through. We want to thank the fountain blue and we see y' all next.

[Fat Joe]

Believe that. What?

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