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Joe and Jada
Keith Sweat talks state of modern R&B, Afrobeats explosion & his catalog of classics
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Keith Sweat
Yeah, I wrote freak me, freak me, baby. Lose control.
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Joe Budden
Speak slow for him, talk slow to him and let me give you a couple more.
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Keith Sweat
Let me lick you up and down. Do you say stop? Yeah.
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Joe Budden
Yeah. Joe Crack the dawn. AKA Gerald Lavert.
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Keith Sweat
Rest in peace. To my big brother. You know it is your boy Jada Kiss. You know what it is? The Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary, Every show iconic. I can't guarantee your safety. When we talk about today's guest, a lot of things come to mind.
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Joe Budden
Timeless Classics.
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Keith Sweat
Somebody that grinded from the bottom.
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Joe Budden
Showed you my top five. Dead or Alive. You know, that turns nothing into something.
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Keith Sweat
Into a lot of something, into a plethora of success.
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Joe Budden
Biggest in the motherfucking game. Songwriter, genius businessman.
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Keith Sweat
Ability to break groups.
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Joe Budden
Smarter than everybody.
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Keith Sweat
One of the flyest niggas ever in the world.
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Joe Budden
That's fucking right. Ladies and gentlemen, without further ado, make some noise for our guest today.
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Keith Sweat
Keep swag. What's up? What's up?
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Joe Budden
What up?
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Keith Sweat
What up, baby? What up? What's up, brother? How you doing, baby? Long time no sleep, man. Yeah, you know, you know. You know what? You know how we used to do it. We gonna get into there. Yeah.
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Joe Budden
Nah, I want to hear that off Rip. Like you was telling me a.
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Keith Sweat
Before we even go corporate style. Young Kiss. I'm in the studio, Bad boy. They working on a Lavert, Sweat and Gill album.
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Joe Budden
Hello, G. I was pinning some bars.
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Keith Sweat
As I was telling you earlier. You know what I mean? For somebody, a dice game breaks out. My brother, right? Keith and Gerald got the bank. Now every. I'm like, oh, yeah. I'm giving me some of this R and B money tonight, baby.
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Announcer
If I.
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Joe Budden
The last thing I.
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Keith Sweat
If I don't finish the song, I'm.
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Joe Budden
Going home with some rap. They sleep on R B. They think you r. You might be. They got that shit on silk linen. They and the whole student. Everybody bunny rabbits.
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Keith Sweat
Rabbit is the whole junior mafia. We don't lie.
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Joe Budden
Yo, Sweat, you ain't feel sorry for these guys. You took all they money, Smoke. That's that Harlem, huh?
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Keith Sweat
That's their money is there? Yo, I'll talk to y' all later.
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Joe Budden
That's a fact.
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Keith Sweat
I never forget it, dog. You can't tell me I wasn't going home with. I didn't even care if I finished the session. I got so much Shadow and Keith today.
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Joe Budden
Psych.
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Keith Sweat
They and me.
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Joe Budden
I'm talking about to the bones Gristle, man. Yeah, the whole studio, though.
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Keith Sweat
We killed everybody out. Cleaned the damn whole stew out.
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Joe Budden
So you've been a gambler your whole life. You was always nice and shooting dice?
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Keith Sweat
Yeah, I'm good at that. You know, I used to tell. When I go on. Used to go on tour and go to casinos. I used to tell everybody bet on me. Everybody made money.
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Joe Budden
Who used to bet against, like, why other R B singers at the tour or just at that casino crap table?
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Keith Sweat
Casino. I'm good.
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Joe Budden
I'm good. That's crazy. I remember when I wasn't talking to Jay Z or OG Juan, I Go down to Atlantic City with Chris Gotti. And you know, I don't gamble for nothing. He does. I caught Beginnings. I was rolling for like an hour straight. They was like seven. We just kept winning. That boy Juan couldn't bet. He's on the other table. He looks sick. Like a pup. He like, damn, this nigga got the role of a lifetime. I mean, I was literally on there for like an hour. They said one thing that's crazy about the casino. When you win, they don't want to give you your money, huh?
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Keith Sweat
Nah, they don't.
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Joe Budden
They don't want to give you your money.
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Keith Sweat
They want to compare. They want to compare anything. I had the biggest rooms than ever at the Mandalay Bay. Cause they would comp.
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Joe Budden
They fucked up with me one time. They comped me the biggest suite is the only time my grandmother ever left the Bronx. She never left the block in like, 80 something years. I. I gassed her to go to Atlantic City with me. She looking out the window like it's Marshes. Like she couldn't believe it was so beautiful. She never been in the shit. So we in there. Them niggas was sending me lobsters, steaks, all type of shit. I don't know nobody. They kept coming up to the room. You ready to go downstairs, Mr. Joe? I was like, nah, I'm chilling. We eating lobsters, we champagne, everything. They be like, Mr. Joe, you ready to come downstairs? I was like, man, I might have played a couple of slots on them niggas and broke out. Like, they got. They lost with me. I'm telling you that. That's like an all you can eat buffet I'm at. They lost Sweat, man. Let me tell you something. You're one of my idols. You're one of my biggest inspirations. You know, I'm thinking driving down here, well, passenger down here, mayor's car. And I'm just thinking, like, I remember when I fell in love with your music. I never even thought I would meet you in my life, like, just to meet you, you know what I'm saying? And the fact that we're friends, you know, is surreal to me. Who's like that for you? Like, you know, I love Keith Sweat. I bring you to every party, I think, you know, who's like that for you that was out before you that you can't believe you became cool with, or you or you love.
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Keith Sweat
Like, there was a few people. JG J, Johnny Gill, you know, when I met Gerald, you know what I'm saying? It was like Eddie Lavert when I met them, you know, I grew up listening, you know, Casanova. Casanova was one of our joints, you.
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Joe Budden
Know, Never been friends, you know. That's my. That's my Harlem right here.
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Keith Sweat
So. So when I, you know, when I first came out, like, everybody used to go to the Holiday in off Jersey. Full roof full, you know, Roof full. So, you know, that's why you spend a lot of time. And I had to hear reggae.
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Joe Budden
God damn, that must have been cute, you know.
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Keith Sweat
Cause you know, you take the girl. You take the girl over to Route 4. So that's how I met Lavert. Not Mark. I met Mark.
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Joe Budden
You met him at Route 4?
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Keith Sweat
Yeah, at the Holiday Inn. That Holiday Inn, Route 4, right. Everybody.
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Joe Budden
The new one, by the way.
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Keith Sweat
Everybody used to go that one back in the day. You know what I'm saying? It's like, you know, right off the turnpike. Boom, right there. So that's where I met Mark at. They were standing there and they had a show at the Apollo. And I went to the machine. Cause I came out the room, went to the snack machine to get a little sudden, and I said, oh, man, that was what I wanted. Had just dropped it just had came out. I said, oh, man. Damn. You Mark from Lavert? Yeah. I said, yeah. He said, you know. You know, Mark had the dark shades on. You know how Mark was. He had that dark shades on. He said, yeah, I'm Keith Sweat. He said, keith Sweat. That name sound familiar? Yeah, I got the little record I call I Warner. He said, oh, shit, that's Jill favorite record. We got a show at the Apollo tonight with the Whispers. Said you should come by. So I came by. That was my first time meeting Gerald and you know, Sean and all them. So you know what I'm saying? And then once we met each other, we became the best of friends. We became like brothers. And, you know. Cause I never thought, you know, I was big friends of the OJs and the verse. So used to go to Cleveland all the time and stay at the house and everything. So for them, that was Johnny and him was like, that's why I put the LSG thing together. Cause they were all my. Always my two favorites still.
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Joe Budden
Wow, I didn't know that.
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Keith Sweat
But Johnny at Apollo, though, for you, when you say you went pulled up on them at the Apollo. For me, when I think of the Apollo, I'm not sure if I turned. I was even turning 11. I was even 12 or 13. And I'm like, it's for my birthday. I don't know what I asked For. For that particular birthday.
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Joe Budden
But you ended up at the Apollo.
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Keith Sweat
My mom and my dad. For you suckers that didn't grow up with two parents. And you think it's a bad thing they took me to the Apollo. It's you, heavy D&LL, it was the.
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Joe Budden
Best show of model.
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Keith Sweat
I'm like, what I'm gonna do in a concert. My mom's right here, My pop's right here. This shit was amazing, dog. You killed it. Left a lifetime memory on me forever. Just keep sweat, LL and At the Apollo. Shit was incredible. I would never forget it.
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Joe Budden
They ripped.
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Keith Sweat
Yeah, that was my first. It was crazy. Cause my first tour was with Heavy D and Du Bois, Salt and Pepper and myself. That was my first tour, you know.
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Joe Budden
Shout out to Salt and Pepper. They just won the award in the hall of Fame. I was so proud of them, you know, Let me tell you something. I did some shows with Salt and Pepa and the women. It's 99. It definitely ain't Fat Joe fans at that show. Cause the women is 99% come out for. I mean, there is no men and the whole audience is just women. Three guys went up in there to hear float. Know what I'm saying? So Salt and Pepper, man. I'm so proud of them. We love them, man. And you know, Heavy D, that's another one of my idols, you know, I got to be real cool with. Have Heavy come to Miami and hang out with us. I remember the first time I met him, the same situation. Like a lavert. I'm at Tavern on the Green. They was throwing them ill parties. And I'm using the restroom and the door opened and somebody going, you gotta flow, Joe. You gotta. I turned around and fucking Heavy D almost pissed on myself. I couldn't fucking believe it. I was like, yo, AV Is my fucking idol, man. He walked in and we got cool and we went to eat after that. And I was just like, yo, Heavy D. Like, to me, that's. That. That was like.
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Keith Sweat
That was that era, man.
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Joe Budden
That was the best era. You know, we had Mike Epps on here, and Mike Epps gave. I told him, what's your top five comedians? He ain't mentioned Dave Chappelle. His excuse for not mentioning it was right on. Because he says, you know me and Chappelle, the same era. I gotta mention Richard Pryor. I gotta mention the old school guys that was before us, who inspired us. That's how I feel. I could sit here and say Nas, Jay Z, but we all from the same era. When they Asked me, I gotta say, LL krs, you know, that's that era before us. These are guys we used to look at when we didn't even think we would ever be a rapper or be successful. So, you know, when I met Heavy D, man, I used to try to dance like Heavy D. I still try to dress like Heavy D today. I'm Gerald Lavert, though recipes as Lee, I heard some stories about Gerald. He had the ladies man, Gerald. Girl, you know ain't nothing I won't do for you. The guys ain't giving it up like that no more. Like, they're not singing to the woman.
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Keith Sweat
Like, how do you feel about the state of R and B? Or is it even the state? I feel like they trying to do away with the kind of music we was raised in. Grew up on the texture of it. Like, what I say about R and B now is the R. Some of the R and B artists, they want the rap. They won't be rappers. Because, you know, my attitude is R and B is supposed to be full play. Like, when you breaking up, making up with your girl, you won't play something fly, you know, because if you arguing, screaming, fuck you, and all that type of stuff, then you put a R and B record on the R and B record saying the same thing you done added more confusion. The R and B record cursing at all of y' all too, you know what I'm saying? So the R and B record supposed to calm you down? Listen, baby, I can't say what I want to say to you, so I'm gonna let this record say it, you know what I'm saying? So we need to calm this shit down, have a real conversation. Cause if I'm gonna fuck you and hit me over the head and the RV records talk about all that, you like, yo, let's get you. It's a night, it's still a fight.
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Joe Budden
I'll tell you something. This shit got out of here about two years ago. So I'm used to listening to ll, doing it and doing it well. Doing, you know, the guy. And, girl, you know, I need love or you all shorty, I need you. Every time they start to fuck me, nigga, Pistol whippy while I'm with the dick. Like a glorilla and a money bag or something. Like, they started going like. I'm like, what the. It's going up. Pistol whip me and choke me, nigga, and spit in my face when you. This, this, I owe your dick. I'm like, I owe your dick. Why you pee I'm like, yo, this shit out of control. Like, this ain't doing it. Well, this ain't not this shit. I'm like, yo, this is the new. This the new Bonnie and Clyde. No, no, no. I'm dead serious. You know that. This ain't good.
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Keith Sweat
I can't do that. Cause he right.
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Joe Budden
No, he right.
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Keith Sweat
It's a better way to describe it.
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Joe Budden
Pistol. With me, I'm like, hold up. But that's what they said.
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Keith Sweat
So it's.
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Joe Budden
I am confused. You know, the emoji, your head blow. I'm like, yo, this is crazy.
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Keith Sweat
And then they sampling my shit.
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Joe Budden
I turned into that kiss, and they.
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Keith Sweat
Sampling my shit and saying the same shit on my shit. I'm like, oh, my. Wasn't meant to be that.
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Joe Budden
Y' all listen.
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Keith Sweat
That's a fact, man. Don't do that to that classic.
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Joe Budden
Let me tell you something, Keith Sweater Jadakiss. I noticed right now they got something in common. They got like the same humor. I sent Patrick Keith. He said, yeah, no problem, Joe. Send it over. Because his people were trying to front. But I knew once I get Keith on the phone, was it you I was talking to? He was like, well, you know, I said, okay, don't worry, you'll get a phone call. Fucking Keith Sweat, call that motherfucker. Two minutes. Like, that's Joe. Crap, we cleared it. He said, send me the song, Joe. I sent it to say, God damn, you jacked my whole fucking song. You're singing every word of mine, Joe. It's gonna cost you right here. I said, yo, Sweat, whatever the fuck you want. You got it, baby. But. And. Cause we had the best of the best coming on this show. And given that was one of the greatest answers to any question I have asked. Where you say, yo, the R and B is the foreplay. It's the. It's the. You know, you can't. Everything can't be fucked you up and described.
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Keith Sweat
That's perfect.
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Joe Budden
I was the perfect Sweat man. Let me tell you something. But you my theme song, man. For my life that nobody that I used to drive. Cause I was scared to fly. And you know when you meet your wife for the first time and you get that song? We have everybody dizzy in the Lexus. We keep playing Nobody 10,000 times. From fucking the Bronx to Miami, 24 hour drive. Nobody, baby. Is that the biggest song you ever put out? Or you got a bigger one?
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Keith Sweat
Then Make It Last and Nobody are the biggest. You know, maybe Twisted make nobody make it last.
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Joe Budden
The Make It Last album, Twisted is Dead too. It ain't my favorite.
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Keith Sweat
All of them shits is forever.
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Joe Budden
Oh, no, no. I did the 20th anniversary. You was there, leaned back and he could have did whatever I said. Nah, Keith. I wanted him to come out the side and go, girl, I've been thinking about you all day long. Yo, that shit crazy the way you started that ref, girl, right? Like, how do you get that shit right on time? They didn't have pro tools there. They came in lit. They had no pro tools. That shit start. Girl, I didn't think that shit take off immediately. Genius is an understatement.
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Keith Sweat
Facts.
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Joe Budden
Let's not even talk about Keith Sweat. Let's talk about the songs you wrote. Because people don't really understand all the hit records you've written for everybody else. And you gotta be very unselfish to give other artists smash hit records.
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Keith Sweat
Yeah, I wrote freak me, Freak me, baby Lose control when me and you up.
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Joe Budden
Let him stop. Tell them a couple more. No, no, but you gotta say it and give him a little bar of it, Keith. Cause some of these people, they slow. Speak slow for em.
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Keith Sweat
Talk slow to em. Let me lick you up. And then do you say stop?
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Joe Budden
Do you know what else you freak me, baby.
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Keith Sweat
He wrote mad. Just got paid.
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Joe Budden
Oh, God. Just got paid Friday night. Who that? Johnny Kemp. Right.
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Keith Sweat
Johnny Kemp. I wrote that with Teddy. Let's chill. I wrote with Teddy and Bernard. Let's chill.
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Joe Budden
I know that. I know that because somebody said they cleared it, they had to stop by Keith. Keith Sweat office. I knew he wrote less chill.
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Keith Sweat
You know, wow.
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Joe Budden
Let's chill.
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Keith Sweat
Like immature. Extra, extra. Read all about it. Hey, I wrote a lot.
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Joe Budden
No, you.
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Keith Sweat
LSG wrote all that.
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Joe Budden
Lsg?
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Keith Sweat
Half of the LSG album, yeah. Oh, half of the LSG album. I wrote all my hits. You know what I'm saying? So.
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Joe Budden
Yeah. Yep. How? All right. No, no, no. It's very, very important.
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Keith Sweat
I wrote Drew. I wrote on Drew Hill first album.
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Joe Budden
What you wrote for Drew Hill.
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Keith Sweat
Share My World and.
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Joe Budden
Oh, shit. Very underestimated Drew Wheel. They got bomb classics, I think. Cisco dancing and doing all that shit. You know, throw them off for the. You know, like, you know, shout out to Jewel Hill, Jagged Edge. I'm going Jagged Edge because, you know, they throwing the army on and the furs and. Yeah, that guy got the dance. And, you know, shout out to Jewel. You know, you go to keep sweating. I remember going to the Key sweatshow. I'm damn near upper deck. You had the bed in the middle of odds. Madison Square Garden.
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Keith Sweat
Yeah. The Bed came up on I give all my love to you.
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Joe Budden
I give all my love to you, y'.
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Keith Sweat
All. Yeah, I used to walk up to the top and get on the bed and the bed go down like this. Yeah, that was. That was on the triple threat to him.
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Joe Budden
That was an amazing.
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Keith Sweat
He was doing shit like that. How many years ago is that, man?
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Joe Budden
That's just something years ago. This is fucking Keith Sweat. I'm trying to Keith Sweat. You know where I want to go. They get mad at me, right? I'm the. I don't. I'm 55. I don't give a fuck. I'll show my age. I don't give a fuck. I don't. I go to Stephanie Mills show. I go to the Whisper Show. I go, so Jimmy Jam, another fucking phenom songwriter, right? The man doing some shit. I'm like, yo, I'm listening to the radio. They said the 15 wine celery shit. I said, yo, get my tickets now. I'm going to see Jimmy Jam. He gonna talk about all the songs he wrote. And you know my favorite band of all time is SOS Band.
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Keith Sweat
Okay.
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Joe Budden
Yeah, I recently found out. Jimmy Jam. Roll all that. Just be good to me. Woo. Yo, I'm pulling up.
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Joe Budden
Keith Sweat, you're a very shrewd businessman. But I heard some stories about you behind the scenes. I Is it you or is it. Nah, nah, it's Keith Sweat. You're a good businessman. Obviously, if he got but it's key.
- [27:48]
Keith Sweat
Sweat, did you go through a lot of bullshit? Early to learn, you know, to get.
- [27:53]
Joe Budden
Shit tightened up And I think he.
- [27:55]
Keith Sweat
Was smart being very stern or you came in. I went through a little bullshit. Everybody not, not. Not what everybody raping you records. I went blabish.
- [28:08]
Joe Budden
Nah, I can't throw the flag. Yo, we had a meeting the other day. He said I really went through that. Jadakiss was like this feels like all over again. I said man, this guy's traumatized this guy. 30 years later they did some to this dude this thing. I was like yo, Jada, calm down. I thought the real gangster that ain't this.
- [28:31]
Keith Sweat
I thought the real gangsters kill you, rob you all that. I never knew they had contract gangsters.
- [28:37]
Joe Budden
I've never got robbed John Gotti's of tons of jury whatever you want to name mountains. Pull out a gun on me, rob me dumb suit. What's the guy the lawyers that you See that? Told you. Is his name Jelly Bean?
- [28:55]
Keith Sweat
Yeah.
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Joe Budden
Oh, he robbed me 20 million. Yeah, he came to me on the Latino shit. Yo, we Latino. I'm gonna watch your back, yo. Yeah, sign your publishing, I'll take care of you. I discovered Madonna out there. That nigga raping you records. He robbed me for like 15 years. You know how I found out? I did a soundtrack for a movie. And to me at the time, it was big money. I was like, Yo, I need 150,000. You know, I'm on fire. I'm thinking, I can't. You know, I come for $500 a show, right? I'm getting them for 150. They said, hold up. You know, your publisher, he wants 350. I said, who? What? It was like, yeah, Jelly Bean Benitez want to allow you to be on his soundtrack. He wants Street 50. I think I'm robbing him for 150. That's when I was saying, oh, no, we got to find this dude. Cause you know, he wasn't in the same circus and it was in Malibu and all that. We had to catch him outside of the award show and be like, yo, brother Tom, the gig's up.
- [29:52]
Keith Sweat
These lawyers know both parties, so they got their friends over here. They act like they your friend over there. So they put these little things in the contract that you know, because they supposed to have watch your back. I got two lawyers going after.
- [30:08]
Joe Budden
I'm.
- [30:09]
Keith Sweat
Put it right there. I'm gonna get that ass though. Cause they slick. So I just gotta, you know, be slick. So I gotta get that.
- [30:17]
Joe Budden
They robbing me now. The lawyers, I got some. Allegedly. I don't know if I could say. I got some serious. I got some serious friends who. Thank you. I got some serious friends. And I don't care if we in dinner or whatever. These fucking lawyers. But I never understood that. I felt like, you do your job, I pay you this and this. Right now I'm like, these fucking lawyers. Like, yo, these lawyers.
- [30:47]
Keith Sweat
So you going through the same thing I'm going through right now.
- [30:49]
Joe Budden
They the biggest crooks I've ever seen.
- [30:51]
Keith Sweat
Oh, you know, you got a. But you know, some of them, when they doing what they doing, you know they can lose their license. Cause they really.
- [30:58]
Joe Budden
Man, I don't know about this.
- [30:59]
Keith Sweat
Nah, they gonna.
- [31:01]
Joe Budden
Yes, they gotta do a lot to lose their license.
- [31:03]
Keith Sweat
What I'm telling you is like, if you doing things, knowing you're doing things and you catch em, you know what I'm saying? It's like if they representing both Parties.
- [31:14]
Joe Budden
We caught one nigga 20 times, Keith.
- [31:16]
Keith Sweat
He still ain't get well, let me tell you. Half of the time they represent both parties, but you don't know they represent both parties, you know what I'm saying? Because they finagling in the contin. Where you don't know they represent this party and that party. So they can't be serving your best interest. And they job is to serve your best interest, right? And if you go to court and say they didn't have my best interest at heart and they finagled because they were friends over here and they didn't serve my best interest half of the time. Them, if you go to the right, get the right judge and go to the right place. Because a lot of times they put in the contract, we will only settle this in this state or this whatever, they powerful, right? So basically what it is, if you're doing business in any state, whether the land or whatever, if that business is being done in that particular state, you can sue in that particular state. You know all that shit about we gotta go to Connecticut, settle and all that. Fuck that shit.
- [32:08]
Joe Budden
These guys, man, let me tell you something. I could tell you guys 1 million percent you need an attorney. Don't sign no paper without an attorney. But these guys are cool. Let's just say they get paid well, they want the bag.
- [32:21]
Keith Sweat
We say don't sign a paper without an attorney.
- [32:23]
Joe Budden
Yeah, I won't sign a paper without an attorney.
- [32:25]
Keith Sweat
Even if you sign an attorney, you.
- [32:27]
Joe Budden
Better check another attorney.
- [32:29]
Keith Sweat
The attorney attorney.
- [32:30]
Joe Budden
Attorney for an attorney, right?
- [32:32]
Keith Sweat
Did you hear bi? I got lawyers watching lawyers. It's the truth. No, you gotta because the attorney, half these attorneys are friends with these record companies and whatever. So they boys. So you gotta have an attorney watch the attorney. Fact, you can't have this. Like you have to have an attorney who don't know this attorney to read whether this attorney I do now.
- [32:57]
Joe Budden
After getting robbed 50,000 Julius is crooked. I got a girl, she's been my attorney maybe 10 years. And everybody I work with, they're like, yo, you need a bigger time attorney.
- [33:09]
Keith Sweat
You need this.
- [33:10]
Joe Budden
And I said, listen, she be lawyer somebody. That's for you lawyer. And don't rob. And she's smart and I'm fucking with her, right? And every attorney, you know, try to have a meeting with me, Joe, you know, I'm like, bro, I've been through them fast talking niggas. I'm good. Let me stay with my girl. She watched my back. She may be a little bit slower than them Meaning, like in speed. But she got your best mother. Oh, no, she. She. She not playing with it. But these other guys, you use them for any. Oh, my God, I'm dizzy. This said Happy New Year. They gave me a bill. No, if I tell you the matter of fact, when we get off there, I'm gonna tell you this lawyer bill. You gonna. You gonna smoke 40 blunts for me. You and K gonna roll them shits up and smoke 36 therapy blunts. You're gonna be like, give me the whole body chronic. I can't be 55 paying this like this. I'm supposed to be on my retirement gatherings. Like they.
- [34:09]
Keith Sweat
You're supposed to be looking like Gerald.
- [34:10]
Joe Budden
He's trying to wipe me out. Look, look, look. They get mad at me like you used to. I spent too much money on clothes. I'm saying, you. I'm working for this money. I'mma be fly till I die. Like, look at. Yo, Keef. You look amazing.
- [34:28]
Keith Sweat
Thank you, my brother.
- [34:29]
Joe Budden
And I tell him every time I FaceTime you. I tell him all the time. Every time I FaceTime Keith, he on a machine running 30 miles for out. You think you work out. You call Keith Sweat anytime in the nigga like the Incredible Hulk. He's gone, bro. In the fucking hip. He don't jog on a trail he ain't walking. He gone all systems go. That's why he look great. Movement is medicine.
- [34:57]
Keith Sweat
Now you tapping into Afro beats. What's going on with that? Yeah, that's the new R and B, baby. I can feel that. I feel the new. Because, you know, the R and B had changed so much. I just wanted something that made you feel good, that made you. You know. Cause Afrobeat got that. Yeah, it got that whole vibe, you know, no matter where you at. Out the country. In the country, you like. Oh, shit. That shit, it feels like. Don't, girl, don't stop me. Look. So that whole Afrobeat thing got a whole vibe to it. So that's what made me tap into that. Because, you know, I always love Afrobeat. I always love it. But the music is sensual. It's sex essential. And, you know, it just says all the right things. So that's why I tap into it. I always love this, though. It just feels like it should be me.
- [35:46]
Joe Budden
Me, too. You know, Africa's so big. I always knew that shit was going to blow on another level. When I'm out there.
- [35:52]
Keith Sweat
I thought you was about to say Afrobeat started in the Bronx.
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Joe Budden
We might have. Hold up. No. Hold up.
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Keith Sweat
Go.
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Joe Budden
No, don't co sign that shit. Listen, we might. Let me explain something. We might have more Africans definitely in the Bronx.
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Keith Sweat
In Africa.
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Joe Budden
I wouldn't say Africa, but the Bronx is African mania. Like we got Africans all over the world. I'm not saying African American, straight people from Ghana, gone bone from Zamonga. They in that LeBron. There's no more Puerto Ricans in the Bronx. It's all in Africa. It's Africa.
- [36:42]
Keith Sweat
You know how we like tours, right? He got the R and B Lovers tour coming. Know how he like going? Look who he got.
- [36:49]
Joe Budden
Look who's on the bill.
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Keith Sweat
Joe Drew Hill, Genuine Cut Close.
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Joe Budden
Cut Close. That's crazy. Really? Get up. You wrote that shit, huh? Get up on it. That's one of the greatest. That's classic. Yo, Cut Close. All right, this is what I was asking you before. The man detoured me, right?
- [37:12]
Keith Sweat
To help you get to this question.
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Joe Budden
I detoured me to Africa, man. Let me tell you something. Creating music is something you gotta be born with. How did you know the woman to put on the duets with you? Like they just as good as you, bro. What was her name? Athena.
- [37:34]
Keith Sweat
Athena Cage.
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Joe Budden
Jesus, this. Let's give it up for Atena Cage. Yo man, like how do you pick, cuz all these girls singing back to you, it was just perfection. Everyone, every cut, clothes, perfection, everything. When you come in, I like the way you. You thought they kill that you come real freaky, baby. Yo, but how do you pick the perfect people to like?
- [38:08]
Keith Sweat
Like, Like I like going in the studio, listening to them sing, seeing if, you know, if I say sing this, seeing if they can follow my lead on stuff. Cause you know, like if you can't, if you having a hard time riffing on some shit that I'm giving you, like, yo, you ain't the one, but if you can. When I heard her, her wrist was so like, oh my God, so incredible that I'm like, okay, I can write anything for this girl, you know what I mean?
- [38:33]
Joe Budden
Yes.
- [38:34]
Keith Sweat
So when I came up, if you really, really want it. And she said, I like it when you get real Vicky baby. You know what I'm saying? So she made me want to sing it like that. Like girl, when we. So she made me want to sing it like that, you know what I'm saying?
- [38:55]
Joe Budden
Oh, freaky baby was talking that shit. I step on stage, girl scream like I'm Keith.
- [39:03]
Keith Sweat
But see, that's what I mentioned.
- [39:04]
Joe Budden
On how many fucking hip hop records your man Drake. I'm a light skinned Keith Sweat, I bet. How many Rappers done mention Keith Sweat and they songs and all that and how you feel about that when you hear the record and they talking that Keith Sweat shit.
- [39:20]
Keith Sweat
I mean, it's like it just shows me the generations that I've touched, you know, like when I was talking to somebody today, they was telling I done touched the mamas.
- [39:28]
Joe Budden
No, no, I'mma tell you something.
- [39:30]
Keith Sweat
The daughters, the little, the kids, the little kids, right?
- [39:32]
Joe Budden
I'mma tell you something because I watch everything you do. You popped out in a ply show where the oldest person was 23, 25 and broke every word. Even Fat Joe, your number one fan, wouldn't be able to bet. If we had to do hard rock bets, there's no way I would have said every 23 year old would know every single Gee Sweat word. It's impossible. The whole stadium starts singing every fucking word like that. Gotta feel amazing.
- [40:05]
Keith Sweat
Yeah, that shit was crazy. Cause when I went on the stage, I was supposed to hit sing nobody too. I was supposed to be a special guest and come on and sing, make it last forever and nobody. But when I got there, ply, I said, yo, I already do right? And the wrong way, right in the wrong way. So I think I was supposed to come on before applies. And he said, nah, you need to come on with me. So he does right in the wrong way at the end of the song. So he said, yo, this could not be no better situation. So when he started writing the wrong way, I came out, you know what I'm saying? And that's when they went crazy. Then I went in to make it last, right? And I knew this was the Millennial tour and I was supposed to go into nobody. They said, no, no, no, we can't let him do nobody. Cause everybody, if he do nobody, there won't be no more shows.
- [40:56]
Joe Budden
Yeah.
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Keith Sweat
So they made me stop.
- [40:58]
Joe Budden
You be careful. They made me spread out on your little show. Cause they will kill that. They will body that bitch. You bring the wrong guy out. I told a story, I'll tell it again. Fuck it, man. You know somebody? Nah. Cause it's legendary. You know, One of my favorites also is El DeBarge. I try to bring him to my birthday maybe 10 years in a row. One year I had him, we had private plane for him. Everything Swizz beat was gonna drive him up. Motherfucker ain't show up. You know the barge he get missing. So one day I'm doing the show with Dave Chappelle. You was with me that day. Rest in peace, Clark Kent. Yo, a man Hit me out of the clear blue sky, say, yo, I'm in town. I said, pull up the Madison Square Garden, let's go. I'm coming up. And I got him. He was O. And I, like, the whole Garden was singing that shit. That shit. You be careful you bring on stage because they'll rip that shit down. Legendary on you. But, yeah, that's what happened. You know, Keith Sweat, super. I'm gonna tell a story. I don't know if it's private and we'll cut it, right? But he gets scared when I say some shit. But I remember it was Covid and somebody canceled a show. I don't know if it was Essence Fest or some festival shit. And I happened to be with you when you started politicking that money. You was like, I know you got the ppp, nigga. I know you did. I was like, yo, you think you know numbers? I was dizzy with Keith. Hold up, Joe. Yeah, you got that PPP loan. Homeboy was going to charge you this and this and that. This is last minute. I don't know if I feel like going out there. You know this, man. You caught these dudes for so much money out there. Where was it? It had to be New Orleans. He jazz fested some shit. Yo, I heard you. I said, yo, I never seen nobody negotiate like that. Like, you a hell of a fucking negotiator.
- [43:00]
Keith Sweat
Yeah, I mean.
- [43:01]
Joe Budden
Cause, well, you know your worth.
- [43:03]
Keith Sweat
And I know numbers. I've been like, yo, yo, I know you got that PPP loan.
- [43:08]
Joe Budden
Nah, I was there and I said.
- [43:10]
Keith Sweat
I know you got it. I know what you got. You know what I'm saying? It's public knowledge.
- [43:14]
Joe Budden
You knew what he got, too. I was standing. You was like, yo, I know what you got on the PPP loan. You gotta spend that, otherwise it's illegal. I know what you was giving. Who was it, Frankie Beverly? Somebody was supposed to do that shit.
- [43:29]
Keith Sweat
Yeah, because you know. Because all that. Cause a lot of people don't know. All that is public knowledge. So you can go and see what everybody got. You know what I'm saying? So if you don't know that, you're not gonna go and look and see what everybody got. So I know what you got. It's not tax deductible. You ain't gotta pay. Give up no tax, you know? So spend that money.
- [43:48]
Joe Budden
That was the coldest shit. That was the coldest shit I ever seen in my life. Business negotiation. Yo, kiss this.
- [43:55]
Keith Sweat
He told the promoter that.
- [43:57]
Joe Budden
Yes, that's hard. He's Showing the promoter, yo, you got one point something.
- [44:02]
Keith Sweat
Not 10 million.
- [44:03]
Joe Budden
You got 10 million PPP. You got to spend that shit or you go to jail, my brother. This Keith Sweat telling them. So Frankie Beverly got sick or something, last minute, two days to the show. They want Keith Sweat. Keith Sweat start telling them, you got this with ppp. You paid this for the venue. I know Frankie Beverly. I do the shows with him. He ain't moving without 450 or 4. He was breaking this, had his whole down. What saying. Typically, I'm like sitting there like, yo, I ain't know people could do. He got him too. Keith got him. That's when I knew. I said, I always knew you was a smart businessman, but that's when I said, oh, no, this guy here, God forbid you negotiate with Keith. You not beating Keith Sway not in the negotiation. It's when is it?
- [44:51]
Keith Sweat
So when is the. For R and B lovers, it starts in February, the first year. February 13th. Oh, right before Valentine, I think. Yeah, I believe it's February 13th. But for those that want to know, you can go to keysweat.com, know what I'm saying? Buy my bags, my candles. No doubt. He definitely got the luxury lining.
- [45:09]
Joe Budden
Bags and candles. That's crazy. And I know they going out there, man, they're going to be using that rewind too. You know what I'm saying? This shit right here.
- [45:17]
Keith Sweat
Yeah.
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Joe Budden
Why be 53 when you.
- [45:19]
Keith Sweat
You ain't got me on none of them. Why you ain't got me on none of them boxes, man?
- [45:23]
Joe Budden
Man, you definitely told me that. I'm trying to politic.
- [45:26]
Keith Sweat
Nah, nah, you. He told me. He called me, right? Hold up flat. He told me. He called me. I said, man, Joe, you ain't tell me you ain't calling me about that. I did call you, man. I did call you.
- [45:42]
Joe Budden
He up like, yo, Joe, you up, man. You had. I sell more boxes than I believe it.
- [45:48]
Keith Sweat
I said, I'm gonna make it last forever, man. I said, yo, they see me on the look. They see me on. I still got mine look. Mine ain't going nowhere.
- [45:56]
Joe Budden
This girl.
- [45:58]
Keith Sweat
No, I ain't no Turkey. This is.
- [45:59]
Joe Budden
I don't care. You go to Turkey. No, no, bro, I went to Turkey.
- [46:03]
Keith Sweat
That's good, Joe.
- [46:04]
Joe Budden
Crowd. I ain't got no head, so you can't me. I went to Turkey in that fucking airport. 8 out of 10 men had they shit wrapped up and bloody like going to Turkey for that shit. Like girls going to Columbia D off of bbl. They are in the airport, is Flooded with dudes with they still little blood on their. They going to get their head. They think that your shit's still el natural.
- [46:31]
Keith Sweat
El natural baby. You know that's a no brainer. But you know what then we need to you we need to do something together.
- [46:39]
Joe Budden
How about these guys D.C. young, one of them guys came on the show. They were like yo kiss you got your headlight. He said yeah, then you bought them back here. He trying to save Jacko B. Tingle bing. That boy chingo being 85. Stop this pushed back here. I'll give up like I gave up a long time ago. My pushed back like that I'm giving up. Take a bit and shave your.
- [47:04]
Keith Sweat
Oh take a bit.
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Joe Budden
Take a big and that's what I use. You know my shit's smooth as but I use a big. I don't. What you want me to use a thousand dollar razor? This shit is just. It's better work see.
- [47:20]
Keith Sweat
Passionate. My don't. I ain't gotta worry about that. I'm fortunate, right? Yeah yeah. You know what I'm saying? Fortunate unfortunate baby.
- [47:28]
Joe Budden
Oh no, very. I wish I tell them all the time.
- [47:32]
Keith Sweat
I take these make it last forever pills so it make my hair grow. You know what I mean?
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Joe Budden
You what?
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Keith Sweat
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Joe Budden
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Keith Sweat
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Keith Sweat
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Keith Sweat
That's why he made the KFC $5.
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Keith Sweat
Was when you reached the bottom of that bowl. The Colonel lived so we could chicken.
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Joe Budden
I got with Keith Sweat.
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Keith Sweat
You got. He got.
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Joe Budden
I shot a movie with him and all that. Twin pillars.
- [50:54]
Keith Sweat
Yeah, we doing the episode Darren hit, then Nicole Murphy, myself, Fat Joe Kane now did his thing in it. You know what I'm saying?
- [51:02]
Joe Budden
So you know Darren from the Bronx too. You can't dispute that. He grew up with Raul on Melrose.
- [51:07]
Keith Sweat
So you know we got.
- [51:08]
Joe Budden
If he say he ain't from the Bronx, he full of. I'm telling you, he from the Bronx.
- [51:12]
Keith Sweat
Yeah, Darren didn't. He don't say he not from the Bronx. He from the Bronx because He was on that dance, you know, he's doing it break dancing. What's his thing to dance? Hey, let me ask you.
- [51:24]
Joe Budden
Let me explain something to you, chief, right? You never. You never been into drugs or nothing like that, right?
- [51:30]
Keith Sweat
That's not, that's.
- [51:32]
Joe Budden
I'm not calling weed drugs, right? Weed is like a lemon. No, no. The point is, the reason why he's still rich and get all that money is because he not on drugs and he don't take drugs. I'm trying to tell you that every time we see a legend like him look great live. I went to his house, his shit on the water, big ass estate. This, this that same thing. When I watch Eddie Murphy in his fucking documentary, it start in a $90 million house, B. That shit come I knew he ain't used drugs. That motherfucker was like, nah, N. I ain't never smoke a cigarette. And every time our legends are well kept and they look amazing and is because they didn't with the drugs. The drugs are drugs. I'm not talking about.
- [52:20]
Keith Sweat
Because that is the joint doing the documentary.
- [52:25]
Joe Budden
He said they were.
- [52:26]
Keith Sweat
They didn't start smoking the joint till he would turn groan and already mad rich.
- [52:30]
Joe Budden
I understand that some people smoke the joint when they owe to go to sleep and. No, not me. I run, you know, every time I ran out the house, no leg pain.
- [52:41]
Announcer
What did you say?
- [52:41]
Keith Sweat
You smoked weed and ran after half.
- [52:42]
Joe Budden
Buck naked weed one time.
- [52:44]
Keith Sweat
It wasn't weed.
- [52:45]
Joe Budden
It was we the girl gas.
- [52:48]
Keith Sweat
Frankie baby.
- [52:49]
Joe Budden
The sex gonna be incredible.
- [52:51]
Keith Sweat
That was in weed though.
- [52:53]
Joe Budden
Frankie baby. That said I smoked the old dirty basketball or she gassed me. The sex gonna be great. This, this, that I smoked that. I ran out that crib butt ass like three in the morning. Thank God. I was like kids in a heart attack. I gotta go to hospital. She gasped me, Joey, just get in the car. Don't worry, I'll take you. Get in the car. She block. I took like eight showers. I ain't never do that shit again. And I'm in the studio where the DEA could knock us, nigga. Them niggas got mountains of weed in the. Everybody smoke every night I drove home from the studio. I swore I was gonna go to jail for just secondhand smoke. I smell like Jadakiss and I don't even smoke every night. I'm going home. I smell like weed, baby. Hell yeah.
- [53:42]
Keith Sweat
I'm a casual smoker.
- [53:56]
Joe Budden
If you could OD off the. Let me tell you, you can't smoke in this building. Shout out to Roc Nation Somehow he found the loophole. He got a window about somewhere. This guy could smoke in this place, right? He go, he come back. Let's see. Damn, man. Then they on the Whobonic Chronic. How you can't. You can't even speak too loud in this building. Jay to come back. And I know the difference too. I don't get high, nothing like that. But I know how to observe. I know when they gave him the pure or he's just fun with it. Like sometime they give him that, he stuck, right? I gotta say everything in like this.
- [54:32]
Keith Sweat
Look, J.
- [54:33]
Joe Budden
Culture guy st. God forbid. What you thinking? Look at this talking to you. You probably punch a guy style. You in that like, yo, yo, that crazy.
- [54:47]
Keith Sweat
But, yo, your foot is full of action for it right now. He keeps shaking his foot. Hold on. It's the meeting foot, all right. We ain't doing deals. The deal's gonna go through or not.
- [55:00]
Joe Budden
You know, how you doing these offices, man. Let me tell you something. We put our foot in their ass. We came on the podcast. You seen that? Huh? That ain't no pause two time felon. That's just the truth. You a part of American history. What's going on here? We started a podcast. These guys in the game 20 years, 10 years. This. That got 10 followers. We on with Keith Sweat, TLC, this every day. You saw that list yesterday?
- [55:31]
Keith Sweat
Nah.
- [55:31]
Joe Budden
Well, listen. It's a list about 30 people. Superstars, all begging to be on the show. You talk to our people this.
- [55:38]
Keith Sweat
They don't send me the list.
- [55:39]
Joe Budden
We on Netflix in six months.
- [55:41]
Keith Sweat
I don't get this.
- [55:41]
Joe Budden
I never do that. You think I'm delivering? I'm not.
- [55:44]
Keith Sweat
No.
- [55:45]
Joe Budden
Let me tell you something, Keith. I'm gonna tell you something. I don't give a. What he said. He want to be humble. I am not. The one thing I learned from Kanye west, you gotta say what the is going on. Cause they try to act like this regular shit. This ain't regular shit. They nerdist. They flabby and sick. Them motherfucker looking like Mitch blood green out.
- [56:04]
Keith Sweat
He going crazy.
- [56:06]
Joe Budden
I don't see the list. You know. I know bitch Blood green.
- [56:09]
Keith Sweat
They know me and you is good.
- [56:10]
Joe Budden
So they probably just told me right.
- [56:13]
Keith Sweat
Before you came up on the elevator.
- [56:15]
Joe Budden
You know your man Keef is.
- [56:16]
Keith Sweat
You know Keef is my guy.
- [56:18]
Joe Budden
That's why you. They don't show me the list. You ain't dressed like Gerald Levert, nigga. You should have had a mock neck on or something, man. You should've sweat, nigga. Like you gotta you, Gerald. I came in. You came in. Jada kiss. Y' all can find it a fact. I'm looking like you. I like the way you.
- [56:40]
Keith Sweat
Why you was not. Why you wasn't at the Knicks game last night? I was there last night, man.
- [56:43]
Joe Budden
Oh, you was there last night? I ain't been to a Knicks game yet, but I invited.
- [56:47]
Keith Sweat
Ready to call Dolan.
- [56:48]
Joe Budden
I invited you in the hardest game together. What's wrong with beta kids? My kids? Yo, let me explain something. The hardest ticket in the world and he got access is the All Star Game. I don't give a fuck if you got pneumonia. You go to that game and you sit in that seat. Or next year, Chris Tucker take your shit. They don't give you part two, you turn that shit down. You ain't getting part two. It ain't for consideration. That seat is yours if you're blessed enough. There is no money if you sell that bitch. Billionaire dudes ask me, yo, let me give you 200,000. I said, fuck, no. They'll be like, oh, he's sitting there. Fat Joe. See, Fat Joe ain't never coming again. The other one is Christmas Day in New York City. I'm telling my business partner, yo, what's up? I got you. Let's go. Let's on him. Let's see courtside. He's like, hey, you know I'm gonna do marshmallows in the fireplace. He almost burnt down the whole house with the s' mores and on the house. He almost burned his down with the fireplace. You doing too much, Jada. I know you on Netflix and all that, but you gotta chill.
- [58:00]
Keith Sweat
Did we come back? That game, that's when I was texting.
- [58:03]
Joe Budden
You, we won that game. You was like, yo, Joe, this shit started off looking. Yo, you sleeping them, Joe. You look like you sleeping on the shit. We was getting our ass whipped by 20. He was dissing me the whole. Yo, Joe, wake them up. It's no fluidity. They came back. We got that.
- [58:22]
Keith Sweat
That was a good.
- [58:23]
Joe Budden
You seen that, right? It's time to listen to some music. All right, let's go. Plugged in, let's go.
- [58:30]
Keith Sweat
What are we listening to?
- [58:31]
Joe Budden
What we listening to?
- [58:33]
Keith Sweat
All right, let's working, baby. Let's go working. Let's go working. That's what we do. We work, play it live and come on with that vibe. Oh, you about to get another couple mil. 100 million. I put that work in. I put that work in. You got that fire, I got that earth. When I clock in early. I think it's perfect. It's too hard to swallow. I got her thirst quenched. Yes. Say less a girl, say I'm a dog tell that I hate pets.
- [59:24]
Joe Budden
Came out the gate with wheezy flag on the plate.
- [59:30]
Keith Sweat
Wheezy baby.
- [59:32]
Joe Budden
Shout out to wheezy. Bring that that rocking off the rip.
- [59:39]
Keith Sweat
Working for your love.
- [59:42]
Joe Budden
You know I've been searching, searching, searching for your love. No.
- [59:47]
Keith Sweat
I've been working, working, working for your love. I put that work in. I put that work in. You got that fire I got that earth when I clocking early Got that fire I got I got her thirsty. Say less a girl say I'm a dog tell that I hate pets. Sometimes we make love, make mess and smoke Blunt Blunt trying to be employee of the money every month. Gotta work for it. I'm work for it. That's a job well done. Like a s baby, baby, love me like your first born Love is blind but I search for it I know I gotta let it all work out and I'mma let that he said don't sweat that make dollars make sense I can't show my godliness but when I'm close to you the feeling supernatural.
- [60:39]
Joe Budden
Do you feel his energy?
- [60:41]
Keith Sweat
Is that why you play agency? I take two step forward and you take three back.
- [60:49]
Joe Budden
Challenge challenge accepted. Accept.
- [60:53]
Keith Sweat
And I love you.
- [60:55]
Joe Budden
I miss did this feels like I dream this.
- [60:58]
Keith Sweat
I've been working, working, working for your love.
- [61:03]
Joe Budden
No. I've been searching, searching, search searching for your love. No. I've been working, working, working for your love. I've been searching, searching, searching. You'll be trying to give me flowers. I've been outside your door Open up your heart let me give you a little more. This out of here, this out of here. I know there's something when I can't hide.
- [63:03]
Keith Sweat
Until I find your love.
- [63:06]
Joe Budden
Wow. All right, hold up, hold up. I'm prematurely speaking. When's your. What year was Your first hit?
- [63:17]
Keith Sweat
88.
- [63:18]
Joe Budden
How the it feel to drop a hit at 88 in 2026.
- [63:23]
Keith Sweat
Drop another hit.
- [63:25]
Joe Budden
Know how hard it is to do that? That's a smash hit. Ain't nothing they could do with that. Who's the girl that was singing at the end?
- [63:32]
Keith Sweat
King Maddie. She's from Nigeria.
- [63:34]
Joe Budden
She ain't fucking playing like that. Shit was incredible.
- [63:37]
Keith Sweat
How'd you find. How the hell you incredible? How did he make that? How did that.
- [63:43]
Joe Budden
I don't think there's nothing he can't do. Top five men on live. I tell you that every time somebody come up on here and start talking about that R and B shit. I went on Tank show, all of me. Everywhere I go, they bring it up. They like, yo, Joe, who your top five? R&B. You always there.
- [64:01]
Keith Sweat
Thank you, man. Appreciate you always there.
- [64:03]
Joe Budden
Luther Van Joss, you always there. Like, I'm like, yo, usually it's not. I am surprised because that is a super Smash hit in 2026. But at the same time, I'm never surprised when it comes to real hit makers. If Nelly came out tomorrow with the biggest record on earth, I would say, okay, 50 Cent come out tomorrow with a new Ghost Shorty right now. I'll be like, that's what they do. That's what Keith Sweat do. Unfortunately, we take you for granted because that's what you do. You knock them out the park all the time. I see the bag coming out again. That bag coming back out on that tour.
- [64:40]
Keith Sweat
That's all I seen with the first four bars.
- [64:43]
Joe Budden
100 million went by. Search it. Yo, Keith, one question I got.
- [64:52]
Keith Sweat
Yes, sir.
- [64:53]
Joe Budden
This legendary is. You knew ahead of time to go out to Atlanta, right? What made you say I'm going to Atlanta before everybody you there before untapped anything happened out there right at that time, must have been woods.
- [65:08]
Announcer
Ditch.
- [65:08]
Keith Sweat
Just woods and everything. Well, you know, basically it was more so a move that I made for my mom. Because, you know, I wanted to really take care of her. And, you know, for the houses that I would have bought in New York, it was like it wasn't big enough. I felt for her. So I moved to Atlanta, basically. Cause I wanted to give her the biggest house or the biggest situation she ever had. So I got bought a house on two acres of land. Now Alpharetta. I just happened to luck up and get it. Go to Alpharetta back in the day. Cause Alpharetta wasn't nothing. Now Alpharetta is the biggest thing in Atlanta. So I end up being at Alpharetta, you know. And I said ahead of time.
- [65:46]
Joe Budden
Admired that about you.
- [65:48]
Keith Sweat
I mean, I was able to build everything. Because, you know, when I went out there, I was one of the first person to be put a SSL board in my house. 54 channel input, you know what I'm saying? So after the second album, I put the SSL board in my house. And that's where I did the Silk album, my album, all my album lsg, every album I did. That's why I got all my masters on my reels in my garage. You saw my thing in the garage. Nothing but the freak me the I give all my love to you all that you know. Cause I did it on my board. SSL board in my house.
- [66:21]
Joe Budden
You know what's crazy is, yo, we. Come on. That's G. Yo, man, shout out. Johnny Gill, man. He came to see me. I was in la. He hit me up. He was like, yo, I heard you out here. Where you at? I'm at the Waldorf Astoria. The man pull up in the Rolls Royce. Oh, take it down. And you don't understand. Like me. I've never been a hater in my life. I always love inspiration. I want my legends to look incredible. Man, when that man pulled up in that double law with that shit, I said, thank God. This guy's doing great.
- [66:58]
Keith Sweat
I love him. What color was it?
- [67:01]
Joe Budden
I think it was like gray or green or something. Who gave a fuck? We sitting in the lot.
- [67:05]
Keith Sweat
No, I was reading that as cousin. Was it because he came to my house, said, man, I'm going to give me one.
- [67:09]
Joe Budden
Oh, he did it. Yo, he did it.
- [67:13]
Keith Sweat
He did it.
- [67:13]
Joe Budden
He pulled up on me with that. And they get him out. He said, hold on, I'm going to.
- [67:18]
Keith Sweat
Give me one now.
- [67:19]
Joe Budden
Right, right.
- [67:22]
Keith Sweat
That's my dude.
- [67:24]
Joe Budden
That man. That man pull up. I said, yo, he made me so happy. I said, because I love it. Looking at my. My legends and my icons, my idols. Looking good and living good. You know, Mary J, my sister, you know what I'm saying?
- [67:40]
Keith Sweat
She told we need to do an album together. Keith Swift, tell her I need her to do make it Last forever with me. Get up on it with me. All my female dogs. Classic, man. Oh, my God. Then you do Keith. Keith sweating, married to her.
- [67:56]
Joe Budden
Let me ask you a question. Did you. Did you ever do a Christmas album? You did a Christmas album?
- [68:00]
Keith Sweat
Yeah, I did it. I did it. But you know, I just did some videos on it recently. Yeah, I did one eight years ago. But I started putting songs out, man.
- [68:07]
Joe Budden
At Christmas Christmas time. I had that soulful Christmas, man. He had all that young Jackson 5 shit, that Luther that they. Man, there's so much good Christmas music out there, man. This ain't that and that ain't this. It's cracking.
- [68:23]
Announcer
Kiss.
- [68:24]
Joe Budden
Make some noise for Keith. I step on stage, girl scream like, I'm appreciate you, my brother.
- [68:40]
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- [69:40]
Keith Sweat
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