Lil Cease on The Notorious B.I.G. legacy, Junior M.A.F.I.A. & Tupac-Biggie beef

Summary

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Joe and Jada Podcast: Lil Cease on The Notorious B.I.G.’s Legacy, Junior M.A.F.I.A. & Tupac-Biggie Beef

Date: September 18, 2025
Hosts: Fat Joe & Jadakiss
Guest: Lil Cease
Venue: Live from the Fountain Blue

Episode Overview

In this episode, hip-hop icons Fat Joe and Jadakiss sit down with Lil Cease of Junior M.A.F.I.A. to reminisce about The Notorious B.I.G.’s legacy, behind-the-scenes stories of the Bad Boy era, the dynamics within Junior M.A.F.I.A., the culture around Biggie’s rise, and the East Coast–West Coast drama. They also reflect on loyalty, personal growth, and the lasting effects of success and loss within the hip-hop community.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Notorious B.I.G.’s Legacy: Work Ethic, Generosity, and Vision

• B.I.G.’s Limited Time, Massive Impact

  • The group reflects on how Biggie had only three years in the mainstream—“He ain’t get here to have 20, 30 year run like anybody else did. But if he was still here… he would be smoking everything, right?” (Fat Joe, 01:53 / Cease, 01:54)
  • Cease details how Biggie was writing for everyone: Junior M.A.F.I.A., Lil Kim, Puff Daddy, often at the expense of his own archive. (Cease, 04:17)

• Biggie’s Influence & Platform

  • Lil Cease observes: “He paved the way for everybody… like on hip hop culture, whether you know it or not. You was influenced by the big.” (Cease, 34:48)
  • Fat Joe notes, “Every verse he would drop… he never had a whack verse ever though.” (Fat Joe, 35:37)

• Loyalty and Realness

  • Cease on Biggie’s authenticity: “He’s the top five realest nigga in the world. Come to my hood, come sit there, got pictures with my mom… That’s what makes you that too. Outside of rap is also about how you carry yourself.” (Cease, 36:02)

Junior M.A.F.I.A., Ghostwriting, and the Team Dynamic

• Biggie Brings Up His Crew

  • Cease recounts how Big wrote his early verses: “Big said… I’m gonna write you some songs now instead of you hype Manning for me… After Biggie passed, I started to write my own rhyme.” (Cease, 07:40)
  • On Lil Kim and others: “When you got a team of people, everybody just kind of worked together. That’s how I came up into it, you know, growing up around that Bad Boy era. It’s writers… just energy going around.” (Cease, 08:50)

• Rumors and Respecting Roles

  • Discussion about ghostwriting for Foxy Brown and others raises questions of authenticity and public perception. (Fat Joe/Cease, 04:53–07:38)
  • “Sometimes a history like that can change. You can start out as somebody introducing you… once you figure it out, you could kind of take your own lane.” (Cease, 07:40)

Stories from the Bad Boy Era

• Living Fast and Young

  • Cease and Fat Joe reminisce about their teenage extravagance—“I was wearing those shits at 15… gators at 14.” (Cease, 14:47), with Fat Joe telling the story of blowing all his money on a Biggie-inspired suit. (Fat Joe, 15:20)
  • Discussing how they were kids with money and status, doing “grown man” things at 14. (Fat Joe, 18:21)

• Legendary Moments (and Mishaps)

  • The infamous car crash: Cease explains, “We got a loaner’s car from the Lexus dealer place… brakes was all fucked up… Just made one turn… we crashed.” (Cease, 12:16–12:29)
  • Hilarious story about being left in the car while Biggie met Michael Jackson: “He like, yo, N bro, stay here. Don’t trust him with the kids. He was joking, yo. See? Yeah. So I sat in the whip while he went into the verse where Michael came back hour later, verse done, check.” (Cease, 51:43)

Biggie’s Rise and the Nature of Success

• How Fame Changes Perception

  • Fat Joe describes seeing Biggie after a hiatus: “For that split second… he became such a superstar. Said, oh, that nigga must have changed. And right when I get to turn away… he was like, yo, crack, yo, crack… That taught me, like, don’t assume people change. They can still be the same people, no matter what success it is.” (Fat Joe, 29:10)

• The Gator Suit and the Price of “Being Big”

  • Joe describes saving up for the ultimate Biggie-style suit and how being fly was about confidence as much as wealth. (Fat Joe, 15:20)

• Longevity and Generational Wealth

  • “Generational wealth… Biggie actually did it. Thirty years later, he’s still taking care of his family.” (Fat Joe, 41:06)

Loyalty, Loss, and Hip-Hop Brotherhood

• Holding Down the Legacy

  • On loyalty after BI’s death: “How could you say Big is your man? And then on Lee…” (Podcast Host, 37:15)
  • Fat Joe expresses frustration at how people abandon legacies after the hype fades—drawing parallels to Big Pun: “When he was rapping, nobody want to rap next to him… and then he died, nobody want to mention him. No top five, no top ten, no nothing. But when he was here, y’ all was scared of death, of him, what he was doing lyrically.” (Fat Joe, 37:57)

• Biggie’s Mother: “The Mom of Hip-Hop”

  • Fat Joe speaks from the heart about Ms. Wallace, Biggie’s mom: “I just felt like she was the mom of hip hop, and that’s how I felt. That’s facts, you know what I’m saying?” (Fat Joe, 39:57)
  • Cease adds: “She did things the right way… she took over with what Big left behind. She really took it over and put it in perspective.” (Cease, 40:24)

The Tupac-Biggie Beef and LA

• Why Was Big in LA?
  • Fat Joe: “When Big was going… I think everybody knew he shouldn’t be in LA at that time, right?” (Fat Joe, 42:54)
  • Cease: “I was too young to feel that way… But he wanted to be there. That’s what he wanted to be. To this day, I stand on that… That’s where he wanted to vibe at.” (Cease, 43:12)

Biggie’s Ambitions Beyond Music

• Entrepreneurial Vision

  • Cease notes Biggie’s early vision: “He came out in 1994… We came out in August 1995, like, literally a year later… not just, you know, Kim, me… clothing line already—Brooklyn Mint… He was already creating things in his head, like, all right, outside the Mafia.” (Cease, 57:19)

• Commission Album and Jay-Z

  • Fat Joe: “He told me about Jay Z ahead of time… He was like, yo, Jay Z. It’s my man. He dead nice. He gonna blow this, this, that.” (Fat Joe, 58:17)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• Fat Joe on Biggie’s Posthumous Presence:
  • “Imagine afresh after you die to 10 years later, new Fat Joe talking shit on there.” (Fat Joe, 03:31)
• Cease on Growth:
  • “Sometimes a history like that can change… you could kind of take your own lane.” (Cease, 07:40)
• On Loyalty:
  • “How could I let somebody violate her or sees that, anything like that? I’m not fake.” (Fat Joe, 39:02)
• On Heaven and Legacy:
  • “You don’t believe when you pass away, you go to see your people?” (Fat Joe, 47:02)
  • “I don’t believe it happens like the way you think. Like TV. It’s a gate there. And I don’t think.” (Cease, 47:12)
• Biggie, Michael Jackson, and Exclusion:
  • “When he went to do the song with Mike, right? He was like, yo, listen, bro, just roll me up a few. ... He like, yo, N bro, stay here. Don’t trust him with the kids. He was joking. ... So I sat in the whip while he went into the verse...” (Cease, 51:43)
• On Hip-Hop Immortality:
  • “500 years from now… if hip-hop is long gone, but they analyze it like... pyramids… they’re gonna talk about Biggie and Tupac.” (Fat Joe, 61:25)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp (MM:SS) | Segment | |-----------------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:53–02:28 | On Biggie’s short career and lasting impact | | 04:17–08:29 | Ghostwriting, writing roles in Junior M.A.F.I.A., Kim, and Foxy Brown | | 12:16–12:29 | The infamous car crash story | | 14:44–15:18 | Early fame, gator shoes, and dressing “grown” as kids | | 18:58–22:43 | On seeing young kids in the game, loyalty, and being “outside” | | 29:10–31:32 | Fat Joe on how fame changed perceptions of Biggie | | 34:48–36:02 | Influence on hip-hop culture, platform for Junior M.A.F.I.A., and realness | | 37:57–39:02 | Loyalty after loss, the importance of defending legacy | | 39:57–40:24 | Biggie’s mother and her stewardship of his legacy | | 43:09–44:37 | The East/West tension, why Biggie stayed in LA | | 51:43–52:34 | Michael Jackson collaboration story—Cease left outside | | 57:19–58:52 | Biggie as an entrepreneur: clothing lines, putting people on, vision for the future | | 61:25–62:26 | Biggie and Tupac’s enduring legacy—“martyrs for hip hop” |

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Closing: Announcements & Shoutouts

• Lil Cease plugs new projects: “I got an album coming out, Harder to say city. A documentary call from a young G’s perspective.” (Cease, 68:41)
• Group pays respect to both fallen peers and those who contributed to the movement—shouting out Biggie, Lil Kim, D-Rock, Mr. C, 50 Grand, and many others. (Cease, 69:00–69:26)

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Tone and Language

The episode maintains an authentic, unfiltered “barbershop” vibe, with lively banter, storytelling, and candid reflection. Joe and Jada’s respect for Lil Cease and the legacy of Biggie shines throughout. The language is frank, sometimes playful, and always rooted in deep hip-hop culture and brotherhood.

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Transcript

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[Fat Joe]

He ain't get here to have 20.

[Cease]

30 year run like anybody else did.

[Fat Joe]

But if he was biased too and.

[Cease]

He sound, he will be smoking everything.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, yo, what up? This is Fat Joe, the gangster boy Jadakiss.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

You know what it is. The Joe and Jada show live from the Fountain Blue.

[Fat Joe]

Fountain Blue.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

What's up ladies and gentlemen? Make some noise for my brother from another mother, the same name. Facts, Caesar, Leo, Little C.

[Fat Joe]

Thank y'. All.

[Cease]

Thank y', all, man. Thank y' all for having one of the best shows in America right now. You know what I'm saying? So salute to y', all, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, sees you a legend, man. You a living legend on that couch right there.

[Cease]

Thank you. Hear that from you, hear that from me. That's love for me.

[Fat Joe]

No That's a fact, though. And we go. We go so bad. You know, if y' all don't know, we was just shooting a podcast. The Cs came to hang out with us and we forced him to scouts. I said, fuck that. Let's get seasoned. He's too legendary. We gotta get him up here. But we was just listening to New Mob Deep, right? And Prodigy sounds so good on there. I literally. I literally. I don't work hard enough to do this, but I literally thought of making an album in case if I died.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

It didn't just say, you know, 10 years after I die, I put in my will New Fat Joe album. And they could do whoever want to do the beats to the shit. This, this, that. And imagine afresh after you die to 10 years later, new Fat Joe talking shit on there.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

You know how that shit. I mean, look, we listening to a new Mar Deep. They got an album coming out with Prodigy. Got mad new verses.

[Cease]

And it sound great, too. It sounds good, too. Like it. You know, it don't sound like nothing changed. It don't sound like nothing Translating sweat. But how many songs you got like that? I'm sure you got verses you probably never put out that you got album.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

For them to release after you die.

[Fat Joe]

Your family going to get the money.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Die.

[Fat Joe]

I make.

[Cease]

That's how I look at it. You know what I mean? Like, I wish B did more of that. You know what I'm saying? But B, I was too much writing songs for other shit. He was writing Junior MAFIA songs, Kim songs. He was writing puff songs. He was, you know, so he did a lot of albums that one expand, you know, like that. Like you. So you wish you had more of that.

[Fat Joe]

Crazy to me. I be hearing a lot of, like, Foxy Brown is the best. Yo, Foxy Brown's first feature was I Shot you with LL Me, Keith Berry. And I remember Papa keeping them. I already knew this girl was crazy.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

But rumor has it, all of her verses either J wrote or Nas wrote. So this is like, is it true or not? I mean, I'm not.

[Cease]

Let me say it like this, right?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Each his own bottle Patron. Man.

[Fat Joe]

Let me say it like I'm tapping in.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

When did you even. What is Us?

[Fat Joe]

Because every time. Every time I hear Foxy Brown, of course that's a cadence and everything. I'm not saying nothing wrong with it. I'm just saying that when y' all bring these up, when the nigga cap.

[Cease]

Already, I'm gonna go with it.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Throw that Out.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, throw it out.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Throw that shit.

[Fat Joe]

I want to hear.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Because how did we.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm not doing that. I'm not really not doing it already.

[Cease]

I'm just a guess.

[Fat Joe]

I don't think this. I don't think I'm saying nothing wrong. I don't think he's saying nothing right, either.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

I think he should have left that alone.

[Fat Joe]

So let's leave it alone. C said, yo, big rope for Junior Mafia. Big rope for little Kim.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

And you just went all the way to Park Slope.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm never picking on Foxy. I'm not. I'm not doing that. So also, Foxy said she wrote her own. She's saying.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

All right, we don't know what she said.

[Fat Joe]

No, I don't know. No, I'm not trying to start.

[Cease]

Listen, let me just say, for me, right?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Stay out of here.

[Fat Joe]

Let me say this.

[Cease]

Let me say something.

[Fat Joe]

Can I. Can I say something?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

I advise you.

[Fat Joe]

You got the right.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Remain silent, okay, on the podcast, kid, and will be held against you.

[Cease]

So I.

[Fat Joe]

That. You saying you got the right thing? Yes. You can't afford it.

[Cease]

Okay, where's my flag?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

In case she didn't. You just put. You just. Do you just do the alley.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I didn't think I. I don't think there's nothing wrong with if, you know. You think what I'm saying is blasphemy. I think what I'm saying ain't nothing wrong. I don't know if it's true or not. That's what I always heard.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Somebody said somebody wrote. Only two people wrote F all of your verses. You'll be ready to fucking kill them.

[Fat Joe]

That ain't regular people. It's Jay Z and Nas. Okay? Sorry, Foxy Brown. You write your own. I didn't know that. For years, I've been hearing something.

[Cease]

I ain't gonna do it yet.

[Fat Joe]

Can I throw it out? Okay.

[Cease]

I'm gonna keep it right here. Yeah, we there, though, as an artist for me. I had songs written that Biggie wrote for me. But after Biggie passed, I started to write my own rhyme. That's what I'm saying. So sometimes a history like that can change. You can start out as somebody kind of introducing you or bringing you into something. And once you figure it out, you could kind of take your, you know, your own lane, like. But that's how I was brought up into it. I was a situation. I was an opportunity, a business deal, you know, Big said, hey, listen, you rocking with me, lil bro, you know what I'm gonna do something even better for you. I'm gonna make sure you get right. And I'm gonna write you some songs now instead of you hype Manning for me now. Now, here you go. And then from there. I expected him to pass at that time and for things to happen, but I had to, you know. All right, let me figure it out from here now.

[Fat Joe]

And he's very generous.

[Cease]

No doubt. Super.

[Fat Joe]

She shined that light on her saying even a word.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Hear them songs they got, you know.

[Cease]

Saying like, nah, grandma, I used to love.

[Fat Joe]

They like the lies. That's Amelia. Let me feel ya. The ultimate rush. Drugs baby.

[Cease]

Damn. But she got not to say nothing outside of that. Kim came in as a writer before that. But, you know, when you got a team of people, everybody just kind of worked together. That's how I came up into it, you know, growing up around that bad boy era. It's writers. You got Carl, you got Faith. You got all these different people in there. Lots. It's mates. It's people in there. It's just energy going around.

[Fat Joe]

I've been seeing you super tight with Faith for the last couple of years. You was always tight with her like that. There wasn't no Instagram, right?

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Now we're seeing it on Instagram.

[Cease]

Ain't nothing changed. It been like that shout out to Faith. Like, nah, that's. That's the big sis for real. Like in real life, like, you know.

[Fat Joe]

I can't call her underrated. Cause she's a superstar. Superstar. But her vocals are still underrated.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

Like, I went to Kim Porter's funeral and Faith sung in there and I would just.

[Cease]

She sang that way. Quan Wedding. Remember? We just saw her there with Quan Wedding.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but she did her songs in the funeral. She just was singing like gospel or whatever. And I was just like, oh, my God. I always knew she was incredible. But that day, you know, I was brought to a different emotion by her. So we got little C's. Little C's. Cripple me. Why would Biggie say that he crippled. You know, what's the problem with this guy? He don't realize we telling the story to millions of people out there. Cause he know the story. He think everybody know the story. Yeah, I don't know the story.

[Cease]

You know, a lot of though.

[Fat Joe]

I do know the story. But I want you to tell the people why.

[Cease]

You know, I don't know why we say that.

[Fat Joe]

Why we crashed. You was driving.

[Cease]

Yeah, you was.

[Fat Joe]

Me Cease. Was you high?

[Cease]

No.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Black ice.

[Cease]

We had A UP car. Nah, it wasn't.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

That wasn't in the next land.

[Cease]

We. The Lex land had got up the day before that. We got arrested the day before that. So nobody don't know somebody with a bat, right?

[Fat Joe]

They.

[Cease]

They.

[Fat Joe]

Y' all hit somebody Big hit big. Got locked up for hitting somebody with a bat.

[Cease]

That wasn't that incident.

[Fat Joe]

Okay?

[Cease]

We was in the back of Brooklyn. Me, him and Money L. You know what I'm saying? And we were smoking. And just so happened. Police just happened to pull up around there. And we put the weed out as soon as they, like, pull up, you know what I'm saying? So they came.

[Fat Joe]

They locked you up for weed?

[Cease]

Yeah, just a blunt. This is. But we talking about like a long time ago type of shit.

[Fat Joe]

Not now. Yeah, when they locked you up. All blunt.

[Cease]

They took us to the precinct. Really just put us in there, took our name down, whatever. And when we came back outside, the Alexis land wasn't working. So Un. Un came and picked us up. Took us to the crib. And then we went to get a loaner's car from the Lexus dealer place. And they gave us the Lumina van and. Yeah, aluminum van.

[Fat Joe]

Where the. Bi.

[Cease]

I'm not lying to you. This is. They gave us aluminum van. And I was like, yo, Bi, this ain't no Lexus car. And we had a. He like, yo, chill. We just gonna Low ride. We chilling, like. And I just made one turn. Cause the brakes was all fucked up. That shit was already like rubbing on the rotors and shit. We had a. It was the car. They run around.

[Fat Joe]

They give you the bullshit car.

[Cease]

Yeah, yeah. And he wanted the. In that. And we rode and I. I hit a little spin and.

[Fat Joe]

And we went across the.

[Cease]

And we crashed. Yeah, across the. On the other side. That's north and south. Yeah, divided. So north.

[Fat Joe]

That's very dangerous. I was north.

[Cease]

And that. The car went south. We were on the other side south. Boom. Went right into a rail dog. And that was It.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Used to be as strong as Ripple.

[Fat Joe]

Me to lose these cripple me. Yo, listen. You know the one thing I learned from Big, right was people always like to say then if you become successful, you changed. Now, we know now enough that we're old enough to know that you got to have growth. You can't be thinking like you thought 20 years ago or 30 years ago. That's natural growth. But I'm not talking about growth. I'm talking about if you blow up or some of guys in your hood are looking at you like you changed. They don't know if you changed.

[Cease]

Yeah, right.

[Fat Joe]

You just working whatever. And I got this famous story. I think you was there. And my second album had came out, and I ain't seen beyond a while. Cause to this day, the closest thing I could call to, like, Biggie is maybe Cardi B, meaning her success of how she just went fast, like wildfire. That nigga was number one, two, and three.

[Cease]

Yeah, like, doubt. That's a fact.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm with him with an army fatigue. And they was like, yo, you come to show tonight? I went to the show. He had gators on and salmon suits with, like. This was like. I'm sitting there in the passenger seat watching this. I'm like, yo, this is nuts. The nigga just shot up 1, 2, and 3. I never seen. Yeah, yeah, but I never seen that again. I never seen it. And then to maybe Cardi B, how she was just on love and hip hop. Next thing you know, she's out of the world. Yeah, out of this world, right? Vogue. You see what I'm saying? That's what Biggie did to me. Nah, I'm hanging out with Biggie. He got a fucking army fatigue. He said, come to show tonight. Give me the tickets. How come the show Nigga got a fur coat over a salmon ship with gators. It was like, yo, what. Who the is this?

[Cease]

That's how fast it changed, though. Like, for real.

[Fat Joe]

Am I not lying?

[Cease]

No, you're not.

[Fat Joe]

It's like, I'm like, yo, what the.

[Cease]

Like, we was kids. No, no, I'm happy as young as doing that. Like, really. Like, you know, haters, man. Yeah, like, I was wearing those shits at 15, doing that type of shit, Lennon. Like, really? How could Niggas can't say nothing to me. What you doing? Or everybody. I done did it already when I was 14.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy. Like, that.

[Cease]

That's why I could sit back right now and just like, man, I was sitting on my balcony in Miami, sitting in my crib and just chilling. Talk slow talk slow jams. You know what I'm saying? And chilling gators at 14.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Man.

[Cease]

You ain't have no gators when you.

[Fat Joe]

Were 14 the first time. Hold up, hold up, hold up. No, no, he right. He right. Because, you know, I like to brag. No, the Method. I was at 14. Unless that was your reverse with the Met. I had the Method. I just want to hear you say, nah, I did have dapper Dan at 14. You can ask Dapper Dan. We should bring him on the Show. But what I am going to say to you is the first time I did get gators, I had $5,000 in my bank account. It was Tito Nieves wedding. I go to God. 5001. And I said, yo, I need that Biggie shit, man. I need that movie. He was like, you want that shit? I said, yeah. He said, what? I said, sky blue. He said, I'm gonna make you the hat. I'm gonna dye it like the suit. I'm gonn the gators. That might took $4,950 for me. I never paid that much for anything. I went broke behind the sky blue suit and the gators. I could not. I could not even believe it. You know what happened that night, too? They had a riot. They had a fight. And I got blood all over this. I could have never wore the suit again. It was like 4900 and 500. The guy told me the joke the other day. He called me up, started laughing. Remember, you wanted that Biggie shit, right? I was like, yo, God, you took my last for the side blue suit. Like, are you serious? They was dead serious with the price.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

That's what made me lose weight a little. He was smoking, nigga.

[Fat Joe]

So you had to go to the department store.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

I spent millions with. I spent fucking millions with Guy.

[Fat Joe]

I spent millions with Guys, too. Yeah, y' all spend millions with Guy.

[Cease]

Yeah, B, I did it.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Yeah, I spent millions.

[Cease]

We go, nah, I was still. I was still call can I Champion cone heads. Like, B. I was the one like, these glasses.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

I used to think they was mad older than us because they was driving. I used to go to D. Like, are they driving? Give me a license. Give me a call with a license. Him. What are you talking about? Mad little over there.

[Fat Joe]

We supposed to be driving, but was rich, bro.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

They were still small driving, man. I'm looking at my size.

[Fat Joe]

We come to the studio every day.

[Cease]

I see him every day. He coming down yourself. He just signed. I'm coming in with bi.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

I want to drive.

[Fat Joe]

You coming in there with baby and John Branson.

[Cease]

Keys to Alexis Lane, bro.

[Fat Joe]

I was there. I was there this week.

[Cease]

Yeah, I stand up in cars. Back then, I used to stand up in the whip in the mpv. I could stand up in it. Yeah, that's.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Yeah, you could stand up.

[Cease]

Stand up.

[Fat Joe]

You know what? I didn't realize he was that young. Like.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Yeah, that's.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I knew he was young, but I ain't making him a giant Guy.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Big committed a crime.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Know what he did?

[Fat Joe]

He blew his woofers off as a.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Was a little kid.

[Cease]

You see what I'm saying?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

You thought he was a small grown man. He was a little kid. He was drinking Moet, his weed, all of that. His wolf is his head. His wolf was letting you win. Yeah, you saw.

[Fat Joe]

He wasn't supposed to be there.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

He was supposed to be in school.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, let me tell you something.

[Cease]

I'm outside meeting you, hanging out with you.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not talking, no, but damn. I was about to tell you a story. But it's fun. I like how this moving. There's a little guy.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

A little guy.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, there's a little guy. Not my Kadesh. Real little guy, you know, He's a real human being. I saw that is a fact. They want to call me Cat for everything. Let me tell you who gets me mad now. He's a little bigger. He's like the big ts. I proved it. My. I proved it. No, I approved it. No, you did, you did. Hello. What happened when America's Most Wanted, the guy called you up.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

When I fought the guy in America's Most Wanted did the gut. What happened?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

They called, they called it said what? It really happened. You know what I mean? And he appreciated you for not saying his name because there's no statute of limit.

[Fat Joe]

I'm trying to imagine being a rapper and you got to go fight a guy in America, smokes one tip, one on one, and he's caught. Diesel, can you pull up? You know how much courage that takes for a fucking rapper? Imagine that guy would have whipped this shit out of me. They would have been talking about me to this day. Yo, remember when Joe got washed, dragged out there, this, this, that. But the moral to the story is when the bmf. When bmf, right? Bmf. I'm in Miami, okay? And lean backs number one. We're discussed them with the paper. Every club you go to, you see 20 guys, 30 guys with ts, chains all over Cadillac, trucks all over this beast. This shit was out of control, right? So if you came to Miami, you knew. You knew that when you came to Miami, you look up any given day, they in there mad deep, right? So every night I'm going to the club, I see this little kid. He's 12 years old. I'm gonna say his name now is with some other wild shit going on that got nothing to do with what we talking about. Yeah, but the kid, Peewee, that allegedly, you know, they talking about with the Lil Wayne bus or whatever, I knew him 12 years old. I Would come to the club. He be with BMF every day with $2 million in diamonds. Little baby, like little Cs might have had him. He ain't no rapper. So every day I come and be like, yo, crack, you get me in the club. Give me a. I say, yo, bro, I can't get you. If Big Meats and them can't get you in the club, I can't get you. Yeah, blowing out the bottles, they buying every. Yo, bro, I can't get you in. But he was a cool little kid. He would come all the time. And one day I looked at him, right, and I said, one day. Because I took him for granted. And one day, I never forget. I was over there in that club where we said khaled used to dj. Yesterday, he was crossing the street, I pull up in the Phantom, he said, yo. He cracked. And then for some reason, my eyes. You know how you go to the eye doctor and your shit fuzz out and go clear? And my shit fuzzed out and went clear. And I looked at them fucking diamonds on his neck. And he's in the. Stay in the party. He's in the middle of the street by himself. I'm like, yo, this kid is like 12 years old with like 2 million in diamonds on. I was like, yo, no, he ain't scared. Nobody's looking at him. Nobody's. This. That's a true story. That might be the youngest guy I ever seen with some shit on like that. He was everywhere. He was with them. What the fuck was he doing with them? He was 12 years old. Everywhere they went.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

He used to be with AI and he used to be with Floyd too.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

So he been outside. You know what I'm saying?

[Cease]

It's a lot of histories like that. You'll get like, you know, he was.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

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[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna tell you what happened, right? So I'm in studio with Biggie while he's making hippitots and the beat keep.

[Cease]

Going.

[Fat Joe]

Right down the 1 o'.

[Cease]

Clock.

[Fat Joe]

20 Spanish girls come 2 o' clock they leave 20 Chinese girls 3 o', clock, 20 Jamaican girls come 4 o'. Clock. Yo, I did not know this. Listen, Biggie was a superstar before me. I didn't know this shit exists. I'm sitting up in there and I'm like, yo, what the. This is what it's like when you number one, two and three. I'm Fat Joe with the army fatigue still. I'm sitting there, I'm like, yo, this is. Yeah, yo. Sees. I cannot believe it. That's. That's. I could. I Would have just. And they just kept coming. I was like, yo, this Faith calls up, right? He puts in the. No, no, it's a cool story. She calls up and he puts on the speaker, right? So he's laughing, you know, he's comedian. You fat motherfucker, you. This, this, that. I know you in there. You, you, you with them ugly bitches. This and this. And this is when I knew Biggie said, hold up. Why they gotta be ugly bitches? They could be models. Yo, I wanted one night, and I couldn't take it. Yo, yo, yo, Cease. I couldn't take the cease. I'm like, yo, you know, I thought he was like a superhero to me when I was with him and shit, I seen the success. But what I'm saying would never changing, right? So I. He just exploded. So imagine you hanging out with a dude, and the next thing you know, he's the biggest superstar on the planet Earth. I don't see him for a couple of months. I put out my second album. I'm going to some shit, maybe Billboard magazine or something like that or the Vibe. And I just see a bunch of people around the truck. And as I get closer, I see Big, I see you, I see Lil Kim, and I'm like, oh, shit, that's Big. And you know what Fat Joe did? Fat Joe. I'm embarrassed to tell y', all, but for that split second, in my mind, you crying. I'm telling you the truth. In my mind, he became such a superstar. Said, oh, that nigga must have changed. And right when I get to turn away. You know how people say people change? He was like, yo, crack, yo, crack. So I look at him as big. So I walk over there, he starts telling Little Kim and sees, yo, we've been pumping this album, right? You like it? He said, yo, you stepped your shit up. And I was like, that taught me. That was such a life lesson. That taught me, like, don't assume people change. They can still be the same people, no matter what success it is. It'd be your perspective of people.

[Cease]

Without judging. He, you know. You know him, right?

[Fat Joe]

Oh, no.

[Cease]

One thing about my, like, outside of all the street shit, he was a fan of the music facts. So if you really was dope, that's all he cared about. He don't give a what you did outside. You ain't gotta be that real nigga. That lit nigga nothing. You could rap. He fucks with you.

[Fat Joe]

Let me ask you something from this underground rapper. We see videos of him rhyming in the Brooklyn with the mic. Rest in peace, Mr. C. Shit. No doubt.

[Cease]

Clark Kent.

[Fat Joe]

Clark Kent. Rest in peace.

[Cease]

50 grand.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Here's 40 grand, man. The 40 Gold Brothers. What was that?

[Cease]

The Old Gold Brothers.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

OG brothers, man. OGB, man.

[Cease]

Yeah. Big first DJ was 50 grand. He had a crew called the OGB, the Old Gold Brothers. So he just passed away like three years ago. Him, Mr. C and DJ Clark Kent, you know, all.

[Fat Joe]

So what I'm trying to understand is, so he's this underground battle rapper. Because when I met Biggie Biggie, I was in the Lyricist Lounge giving out the Flo Joe vinyl to the DJ. And he went up there and battled 10. They're going to say, Yo, Joe, I'm saying 10, so it don't sound capable. But he tore the ball down. He had a backpack on. Puff was on stage doing the puff, dancing, hyped up. This, this, this. I'm looking at the crowd said, oh, this guy, he's gonna be big, right? So we became cool. What I'm saying is, when they started making these records, like rapping to Juicy and all that, was that a puff bringing the R and B to it? Or was it Big saying, I wanna do these kind of records?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

He didn't wanna do that.

[Cease]

You know that. That was all Puff.

[Fat Joe]

He wanted me, thank God. I mean, Doshi, without question.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

He didn't want to do it. But he listened to it. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

No, but he listened to him. So originally he didn't want. Because I believe that changed. Well, I don't believe. I know. That changed the whole hip hop game. Like, to this day, Fat Joe's trying to catch one of them, what's Love? And this everybody, you. And she was a model for a year. That's all that formula.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

Right? When we flipped old shit and we had singing hooks with R and B singers and all that, you know what I'm saying? That was a big thing. So it was like Puff brought those.

[Cease]

Beats to the table that was straight his. He brought that to bi because he knew he had somebody that was like the dopest writer in the world. Though that's my favorite rapper, right? So imagine you in the position of power of you could sit behind a desk and you got the top Prime Jordan player of this league. And you could just tell him to do anything. Play point guard, play shooting guard, play forward, play center. Yeah, Big did everything. Cadence. His cadence was bars. If you want to talk about anything that compared to rap, I think he's the one that covered every ground of the. How you want to do it in the most such a perfection way in a shorter span like that. Only had three years, though. He came out in 94. He died in 97. We ain't get a chance to enjoy nothing but what he did, though.

[Fat Joe]

Platform for Junior mafia, they ain't the day on earth. No, no, no. He paved the way for everybody.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody. Like on hip hop culture, whether you know it or not. You was influenced by the big. The big.

[Cease]

Listen though, that's what go to the grave with me. I'm. I'm gonna call me biased or whatever.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, listen, when it comes down.

[Cease]

To that, yeah, there ain't nothing.

[Fat Joe]

Not just because, you know, that's what I do. That's what.

[Cease]

I ain't gonna tell my man nothing.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm too. He didn't get here to have 20.

[Cease]

30 year run like everybody else did.

[Fat Joe]

But if he was biased too, and.

[Cease]

He sounds crazy, he would be smoking everything, right? If he was here, everything that he left would still be here right now.

[Fat Joe]

So me as a fan from outside, similar to this guy. And I'm not just saying because him. I'm tired of this guy right here. He's my business partner, but I'm tired of business.

[Cease]

That's my brother and you my brother.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but he's very similar, right? With Biggs, every verse he would drop, whether it's on 112, whether it's with Char, whether it's with every. He never had a whack verse ever though.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

And you would hear this shit. And every time he pull out a new verse, we be like, yo, what he say now? You know Kiss got that impact too. That's why Top five did a lot.

[Cease]

But the statement he made, he created that for him because he is that top five dead or alive, he is that. But outside of being that, he's the top five realest nigga in the world. Come to my hood, come sit there, got pictures with my mom. I performed at his uncle parties and shit, you know, I performed at his daughter, sweet 16. He come to my hood every day and come hang out with me there on my birthday, my mother birthday, sister's birthday. N see my little nephew, give my little nephew a couple dollars play basket like no, he used to. That's what makes you that too. Outside of rap is also about how you carry yourself. You know what I'm saying? You ain't gotta be the best shit in the world lyrically, but you could. That makes you that too, by how you carry yourself, how you maintain, how you keep Your integrity and your morals is about everything. You know what I'm saying? So I thought of that.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Appreciate that.

[Cease]

Lee, that's my guy.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

It was a very nice gesture.

[Cease]

Feel me? Me and his mom's got the same name.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

His mom's and my mom.

[Cease]

You know what I'm saying? Like, how coincidental is that? He a Gemini, like my boy.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I seen y' all be tight for years.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Yeah, you try to. I've seen a lot of people turn their back on them, no doubt. After the untimely demise of BI.

[Cease]

You know what I mean?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

It's always three sides to every story. But if people. You hear how you talk about me and Big and y' all getting tight and all that, and how. How could you say Big is your man? And then on Lee.

[Cease]

So.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, you talking to the wrong guy.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

No, no, I'm giving you an example.

[Fat Joe]

I've kept it 1000%. Lil Kim, all of them. I never understood how Little Kim had beef and dudes wasn't standing by her side and all that. I never understood it because the way I've always seen little seats and Lil Kim is with Biggie Smalls.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

Now, if Biggie Smalls is king of New York, these Frank White and I used to see, however, it's the same. Yo, let me tell you something. I'm not comparing the apples and oranges. The same thing with Punacum. And when he was rapping, nobody want to rap next to him. Nobody want to smoke with him, nobody want to cipher with him. Nobody wanted this, nobody wanted that. And then he died, nobody want to mention him. No top five, no top ten, no nothing. But when he was here, y' all was scared of death, of him, what he was doing lyrically. I remember Pun calling me, damn near crying. They won't let me upstairs to the cipher. Remember when Hot 97 used to put people on Cipher? Everybody upstairs was like, no, they doing the Cipher. He's calling the Hotline. Funk Flex. I don't want to say the rappers up there, they were like, no, do not let him upstairs. They did not want him to come up in there dead in the middle. But he passed. He pretty much, if it ain't for us, we can't defend his legacy.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

You guys seemed to not mention how nice he was, right? So it's the same thing. When I. When I met you and I met Lil Kim, I'm like, yo, I'm out with the King. Like, how could I let somebody violate her or sees that, anything like that? Like, I'm not fake.

[Cease]

That's love, man.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying? I'm not gonna be your pig. This is your man. Then when something happened to him, I switch up on you.

[Cease]

You.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying? Shout out to his moms. I felt like we lost moms at hip hop. At least New York, my girl, no doubt. And I. I can't even tell the stories. But, you know, they always say I lie you.

[Cease]

But you know, the love, you know.

[Fat Joe]

You know that too much.

[Cease]

You know what she love? She showed you. You was on her gram kisses on her school days.

[Fat Joe]

She don't folks.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

If she don't fuck with you, she don't.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, she don't fuck with you.

[Cease]

If she don't rock with you, she.

[Fat Joe]

Two days, but that's the last. Yeah, not the day she passed. The day before, she was talking about me to Wayne Burrows and. And homegirl, she called me and was like, yo, Mama Wallace was just asking about you this and this and that and talk about you a good guy. I love Mama Wallace. I just felt like she was the mom of hip hop, and that's how I felt. That's facts, you know what I'm saying?

[Cease]

And so she did things the right way. She did it the right way, and, you know, she made sure everything was set up. Like, really, like, she took over with Big left behind. She really took it over and put it in perspective, man. You know what I'm saying? His kids is super straight, and that's what mattered, right?

[Fat Joe]

That's all we care.

[Cease]

El still able to take care of his family. Nigga, after 30 years, he's still from the grave. Still make sure his kids straight. Even to the day his mom's left, he made sure.

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy.

[Cease]

Everything was good. And that's. And that's something.

[Fat Joe]

Generational wealth.

[Cease]

Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

That's what we talking about, generational wealth. I mean, I always felt like, you know, look, I don't wish nothing on me, but I always felt like.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Well, I never heard knock on steal.

[Fat Joe]

My point is, I didn't know.

[Cease]

Steal.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. You're not this guy. The point is. The point is I always felt like I would be happy if something God forbid happened to me if my family was straight, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's the big. That's what it is. You know what I'm saying? You see, these Mafia dudes, they born up in crime. And they know sooner or later somebody's either gonna knock them off or they going to jail forever. But they family is straight in the mansion forever. They own the fucking construction businesses and this. So you just bas. Basically. It's like you're a warrior with a shield and a fucking sword, and you go out there to make sure them kids are straight forever. Yeah, same thing with you. Same thing with me. That's the dream. Biggie actually did it. That's fucking amazing. Thirty years later, he's still taking care.

[Cease]

Of his family, and that's. You know what I mean? But you see that generational type of thing in us, peers from our era. Like, you see that in you. You see that in you.

[Fat Joe]

That was our era.

[Cease]

We appreciate stuff like that, like making sure our kids are straight. We don't want our kids or nieces, nephews to grow up and go through the shit that we actually went through. Like, nah, I don't want them to go to no tunnel. I don't want my nephew to do that. Go play basketball, Go through that tunnel, the Madison Square Garden, you know, Go through that tunnel in the Barclays. Like, I went through that tunnel before the other tunnel. You know what I'm saying? When we was really outside. But when you get to, you know, to see his kids do that, they ain't had to grow up like how I grew up. So I go on vacations with them. Like, we go on trips. We don't go to the block. We don't go to the block. We don't go to the hood. When I be hanging out with this.

[Fat Joe]

Kid, he sees no, like, when Big, you know, in the middle of all that beef, when Big was going. I don't want to elaborate on whack shit, but when we, like. I think everybody knew he shouldn't be in LA at that time, right?

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Did you feel like that?

[Cease]

I was too young to feel that way.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

I seen him. He was smiling from even.

[Fat Joe]

No, I get it, but. No, we know he was smiling. He went out there youngest. Like, he was happy to be out there.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Yeah, he was happy. He was happier than over here, if you ask me.

[Cease]

He was to be away.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

He was your whole job.

[Cease]

I don't know how to not tell people that, right? When people are like, yo, why y' all was out there? Cause he wanted to be there. That's what he wanted to be. To this day, I stand on that. Like, yo, bro, he ain't want to. That's where he enjoyed it. He. He wanted to chill there. That's where he wanted to vibe at. I don't know. I don't know how to say that to somebody about you. Why he wanted.

[Fat Joe]

Why he was. That's what he wanted. He wanted to be there. His own man. He was comfortable. He loves la, so he want to be there.

[Cease]

I'm on front line with him. Okay, cool. We leave tomorrow. No, we ain't leaving tomorrow. We gonna stay here another week. Cool, we here.

[Fat Joe]

All right.

[Cease]

This where he wanted to be. He called the shots. It was his situation. He felt good about being there, you know what I'm saying? He felt like that place was a safe place for him. Not even being safe. He just wanted to be somewhere where he wanted to be. He really didn't give a fuck. Really. You got thinking about 24 years old, dawg. We older now. We all turning 40s, 45s and our 50. He was 24, you know what I'm saying? We were still. We were still kids. Ain't know nobody.

[Fat Joe]

He died a baby. Him and Pun. They both died a baby. Like, they both 20 something like kids.

[Cease]

You know what I'm saying? I saw a Pun before he passed. I did a show and I was in a show in somewhere like North Carolina or something where he had the. Where he was in the New Zealand weight. Yeah, we was all signed to the same label. So I come in my room, they're like, you got some people in your room?

[Fat Joe]

Room.

[Cease]

Before I got to my.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, who in the room?

[Cease]

Now I got D Rock Gutter, bunch of aggressive ass. And they'll be coming there. It's Punch sitting and see what's up.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, what's up?

[Cease]

See y'.

[Fat Joe]

All.

[Cease]

What's up, bro?

[Fat Joe]

He loves y'. All. He loves me?

[Cease]

Oh, yeah. Hell yeah, man. For sure, dude.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. He had crazy love for Big. I think that's one of the people he never got to rock with that he really, really would have loved to rock with no Doubt and.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

And, you know, imagine a Big and fun song.

[Cease]

Imagine that.

[Fat Joe]

Bigger. Big her firewater. He heard firewood. He said, yo, your man that spit with you was dead nice. This and this and that.

[Cease]

He heard that, you know what I'm saying? Like, you know, that's the I'd be having to live with. Like. Like that. Like, damn, man. If Dog was here to, like. Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Do shit, he would have loved to.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Smoke some of these. I'm smoking, smoking.

[Fat Joe]

Smoking some good.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

He didn't get a chance. He missed it.

[Fat Joe]

He didn't get to smoke the pure. He was smoking.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

He was smoking that chronic. Now, he caught. He caught.

[Cease]

But he ain't catch the.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Wave catch this right now, right? If he wasn't able to catch that.

[Cease]

Man, he ain't catch that. Yo, yo, yo. Kiss.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Can't wait to yo see him again.

[Cease]

And go pull up. Yo, what you got? Bring some. Bring some to the ground up there.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

When the island I go see.

[Fat Joe]

He ain't come with that papi poodle. You know how nobody brought it up there for him or he wanted.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Cease]

I'm sure he hit something.

[Fat Joe]

Now you think? Do you believe? Let me ask you a question, which might be crazy, but it's real, right? You believe when you die, you go to heaven and they waiting for you and. And Biggie will be there waiting for you?

[Cease]

Nah, man, I don't think in that way. I. I think it's the life after Sister. I do think that right now I.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Need y' all to play a Whitney Houston song.

[Cease]

You know?

[Fat Joe]

I can't.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

I don't know which one, dog.

[Fat Joe]

I believe the children are the future. Let me ask you questions.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Another one.

[Cease]

That's why you got lies.

[Fat Joe]

Yo. They don't want that. Everyone listen. Let me tell you. So you don't believe when you pass away, you go to see your people?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

I don't believe it happens like the way you think. Like tv. It's a gate there. And I don't think.

[Fat Joe]

Sammy Davis Jr.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

I don't think it's like the PAC video.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. I don't think about to pull up here. Right there.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

White suits on.

[Fat Joe]

Joe Crack. Praise, yo. Joe Crack. That is like that. And I want to see my nigga Raul. I want to see my mother and father. I want to see Biggie. I want to see everybody. You know what I'm saying? So if I believe in heaven and I believe in God, I believe that we gonna see him. And so that they call me Crazy Cap, Joe, whatever the you want, but I believe I'm praying so much that it's like that. My tone, Montana, my best friend ever in history Street. I wish I could have that conversation. You did it. We was watching you. They was coming up here saying, yeah, I want that. You know what I'm saying?

[Cease]

My brother praying for that.

[Fat Joe]

I know. I'm just saying. My brother told Montana got killed before I even put out a single. But he knew I was rapping. He was proud of me. And so imagine if I could go to heaven, and he's just waiting for me. Like, y', all, you. You did this and this and this and that.

[Colin Coward]

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[Movie Trailer Announcer]

The movie to see this football season is him in theater September 19th. Produced by Jordan Peele and directed by Justin Tippen, this sports horror mashup stars Marlon Wayans plays Isaiah White, the greatest football player of all time with rings to prove. Tariq Withers plays Cameron Cade, an up and comer and protege. Cam gets the offer of a lifetime when he's called upon by Isaiah to trade at his compound. Things get weird fast and Isiah's training methods are a bit intense.

[Fat Joe]

This movie gives a whole new meaning.

[Movie Trailer Announcer]

To God, family and football. Marlon Wayans is terrifying and Tariq Withers proves he has what it takes to be the goat.

[Fat Joe]

Me and your auto isn't all what it's cracked up to be in him.

[Movie Trailer Announcer]

And begs the question how far will you go? To be the greatest of all time, you have to be willing to sacrifice everything. Him hits theater September 19th.

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[Fat Joe]

B I G. What was one of the. The illest that happened to you that blew your mind that you couldn't believe? Like, y' all met Shaka Khan. Y' all met some. Some. Oh, y' all was rocking with Michael Jackson. Was you there for that?

[Cease]

Nah, I was there. I wasn't in the session, though. He was.

[Fat Joe]

Did you see him?

[Cease]

Michael?

[Fat Joe]

Yes.

[Cease]

Nah, I see Mike, man. That's the one time he violated me, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Big or Michael?

[Cease]

No bi. When he went to do the song with Mike, right? He was like, yo, listen, bro, just roll me up a few. I rolled him up some blunts. About to go do this first with Mike. So I'm thinking I'm still, like, coming there with him. Right? Right. He like, yo, N bro, stay here. Don't trust him with the kids. He was joking, yo. See? Yeah. Yeah. So I sat in the whip while he went into the verse where Michael came back hour later, verse done, check. No, it's that out. I ain't.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Left you on the G14.

[Cease]

G14.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Super classified.

[Cease]

Classified.

[Fat Joe]

What's. What's the G14? What's the G14?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

He left him in. He. He left him in the whip.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. The man told him, yo, just classify. He just said, fall back. I'm going to rock with Michael with.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

That ain't something you didn't say for. That ain't just a fall back.

[Fat Joe]

I wouldn't go, dog.

[Cease]

14, 15.

[Fat Joe]

No, it's been. It's been. I want to meet Michael Jackson, his meetings, his people. Beyonce says, look, one of my most trusted people on the planet Earth is Pistol Pete. You see him over there? There's people Pistol Pete haven't met, people that I'm tight with that will call me their brother, their family. They this, they that, that. The Pistol P. They met. There's people. I go in there by myself, go talk to them, have a conversation with them, and then come back. In certain places, you just can't bring nobody. So you go up in there, you just. Unfortunately, I get that.

[Cease]

Leo.

[Fat Joe]

No, Pistol's like, leo, he's my brother. I love him to death. I take him anywhere. I die with him. And there's certain places I gotta be like, yo, God, I see y' all a little later. I gotta walk over here and just. I was on Punk. They did that to you on Punk?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Yeah, they told me, don't bring nobody.

[Cease]

That's why using the whip so by yourself now, that makes sense to them. And you wig, too, though.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't even see that shit. But let me tell you something. They try to punk me. They never could punk me because my guys wouldn't sell me out. But they wanted to do a. They went to Joe Bentley. Cause he used to rent me the Bentleys and all that. And they told him they want to put a dead. A fake dead body in the trunk.

[Cease]

Trunk.

[Fat Joe]

Pull me over and act like I got a dead body in the trunk. On punk, bro. That was the narrative for Fat Joe. Open the trunk, and it's a dead body in there. And Joe Bentley wouldn't sell me out. He was like, yo, I can't do that. I'm not. That's a heart attack, huh? Well, it's not a heart attack. I would have did what I do now. Yo, I don't know nothing. I got a lawyer. Swear to God. What would have happened on that camera was like, yo, I don't know nothing about that. Yo, I got a lawyer. Say, J. Kunstler. Like, that's it. That's what I would have did. That's all they would have caught on video. But they wouldn't sell me out. They tried Raul, they tried Joe Bentley. They tried, like, three people. And everybody like, yo, you crazy, man. I ain't setting Joe up with that. Like, Joey do it. He. He ain't gonna go for it. They told him, yo, you ain't punking him. He ain't. He not gonna go for it. Like, you wasting your time. And it's true. I swear to God, if they did it now, somebody put a dead body in my truck, I'd be like, yo, I got a lawyer, man.

[Cease]

I ain't saying nothing.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't got nobody about.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

No, you making that sound real.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, my mother. Yo, my mother taught me. Let me tell you something my mother taught me. When we didn't have a doctor, we didn't even have a dollar. How about we never had a lawyer? My mom was telling me in the project show, they grab you. I told my daughter, son, this 1 million times. They ever grab you anything on earth, just tell them you got a lawyer. You have to tell them you got a lawyer. That eliminates everything else.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

There's nothing really to talk about. It's like, yo, what you want me to do? Yo, this is terrible, but what you want me to. You think I'm gonna try to convince him? I don't. There's nothing you could do but call a law it's like I can't convince you I didn't put that body in this trunk or whatever. I'm fucked or I'm not.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Call the lawyer.

[Cease]

Call the lawyer. That's it.

[Fat Joe]

That was it. They tried to punk me. They tried. They definitely tried to punk me. So that Michael. You wasn't there for Michael Jackson, but what was you there for? That you coming from Brooklyn, young kid, Michael Jackson. And you was like, yo, we really doing this? Like, this is crazy. What is it?

[Cease]

I mean, I would say that like our first session, like, you know what I mean? When we first got on, I knew it was studio. Yeah. Right there. Just.

[Fat Joe]

That was a big moment.

[Cease]

I mean, you know, not thinking. You know, you thinking. You just going, all right, bi is your boy. That's family. That's the big bro. And he on. He came out in 94. We was out 95. Like, that's how fast he. We was in the studio.

[Fat Joe]

That's absolutely. Within a year. That's absolutely impossible to do too.

[Cease]

You know what I'm saying, by the way?

[Fat Joe]

So that was like becoming a legend and then you putting somebody else on and working for them and putting their music out again. That's like. Like, it's beyond unheard of.

[Cease]

He came out in 1994. We came out in August 1995, like, literally a year later. And not just, you know, Kim me un as a director, like, nah, he.

[Fat Joe]

That.

[Cease]

That was his. That's what he was doing at 24 years old. 22. You creating a process before he died?

[Fat Joe]

Just clothing line already. What was it?

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Brooklyn Mint.

[Cease]

Brooklyn.

[Fat Joe]

That shit was fly too, too.

[Cease]

Yeah. You know, so years we were just really. Just know.

[Fat Joe]

I just said that what I think most about Biggie is just knowing him and seeing. I think he would have been a used entrepreneur like a Jay Z is. Oh, yeah, you know, he would.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

He was just big pop of diners.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah.

[Cease]

Restaurant. These is already. He was already doing with people, like, with everybody.

[Fat Joe]

I could tell he was going to do it. You that just the commission album.

[Cease]

He was already creating things in his head, like, all right, outside the Mafia. Got a commission thing I want to do.

[Fat Joe]

He told me about Jay Z. I had a time.

[Cease]

Yeah, dog.

[Fat Joe]

He was like, yo, Joe. I said, yo, Big come to my birthday party. I think I had fucking China Club or something. He was like, yo, I might slide by, but this dude is crazy nice. His name is Jay Z. It's my man. I was like, word. He was like, yo, I'm gonna come by with Jay Z. He didn't come. But he definitely told me about Jay Z. Like, he was like, yo, that was my man, Jay Z. He dead nice. He was talking like that. He dead nice. He gonna blow this, this, that. But they never came. But that was the time, man. That whole time, we was a fan.

[Cease]

Of the music, dog. You know, all of us at that time, it was just like, we was really doing some shit to change our lives. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we. So we really enjoy being around each other, fucking with each other. It was dope to go to the Bronx. It was dope to go to Yonkers and hang out. And, you know, when they die, you'll power, respect. We always love Big Papa video. Like, we build something. We build something from that. Like, just from that point on, it's like when Big die, it made us all, like. It's like people from home. No, we're gonna. We're gonna keep it tight.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. You know, that's how I feel, you know, Right? And that's why whenever you see me jumping out, whether it's a big birthday, big anniversary, bring everything, I gotta jump out.

[Cease]

You sure?

[Fat Joe]

Get up. I gotta jump anything. Because I gotta let them know, yo, we ain't forgetting Big. Like, not while I'm alive, not while I'm here. We not forgetting, you know, the man who inspired us to become who we are. You know what I'm saying? Like, I still, to this day. And I shouted out the other day, what was it with Ray and Ray and have, like, Heavy D. Like, Heavy D gave me the confidence as a fan.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

When he earned it.

[Cease]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

When he earned him, he gave me the confidence. No, Heavy D, no Big. I'm telling you, you know, Heavy D was the fly to this day, right? Because he don't get that. He don't. He don't get that to this day. I throw that on. I'm telling you, to this day, I might have some fly yellow brick Owen leather on. And then I look in Instagram and I see it be like, yo, 1991, have. Have the same on 30 years ago. I'm like, yo, I still ain't catching. Like, I can't beat Heavy B's fly. He was just so fucking fly as a big man. Same thing with B B, I was like, super fly.

[Cease]

But that was his homework, though. He got that from him, too, though. Like, that's where he. Oh, no, it's Heavy D. We know that.

[Fat Joe]

Like, that, you know, one of the things, you know, I would say my wife is far from a groupie but one of the things she thanks me for is for introducing her to Big. And she dates me. Yo, man, thank you for letting me meet Biggie. It's official. You know, that's like. You know Biggie. You know, we gotta talk Biggie. We always gotta talk. Tupac, these two guys, right, Are like, they're gonna live forever a thousand years from now.

[Cease]

They're gonna live longer than us.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they martyrs for hip hop, for this whole thing. Let me tell you something. And a lot of people don't get it fucked up. Everybody has something to do with hip hop. We can go cool. Herc, Grandmaster Flash, banned by everything. But 500 years from now, if hip hop is long gone. But they analyze it like we looking at the fucking pyramids and all these 500 years and hip hop culture comes up, they're gonna talk about Biggie and Tupac.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

There's no way around it. They're gonna be doing seminars in college, like, right now. They definitely got Biggie classes, Tupac classes, like, yeah. Those are the two faces of hip hop music. After that, then you go down, break down with whoever else you. Everybody played their part in hip hop. I don't want nobody to be watching this from the 80s off the west Coast.

[Cease]

But Scholar Rock is like one of the first, like, rapper rappers.

[Fat Joe]

But he's not gonna be talked about in 500 years, streetwise. No. Scholar Rock broke my heart, Bro, I'm BDP that's stuff that we what see.

[Cease]

People don't know about.

[Fat Joe]

Bro, I'm BDP Boss don't play pap. I'm bdp, I'm BDP you talk about big One time, I was struggling after Flo Jo. Cause you think you good as your last hit. Flo Jo can be number one. You hustling, getting checks. When that shit slowed down two years later, later, I never forget my idol. Carers money came to my apartment in Drosne. It's like, joe, how you doing? I was up. You know what I'm saying? Because once I left the drug game, it was all about rap. So I had to make my money rap. So he came to see me and he took me City Island. We sat down, then he said, chris took in the city. And he said. He said, yo, what's up? You up? I was like, yo, I'm up. He said, you come with me. Me, you hype it up. You do Flo Joe and I'm throw you a little 25, 2500 was like 10,000 back to the paper. So he took me For a couple of months to hype him up. I was this hype man, and I get to do Flo Joe. And you know who else was there with Wake up in the Morning. I just talking for when it is channel live, right? All I do is smoke, man. And, yo, whenever. That 2500 camera do saved my life. 2500. My rent was 500. I got the one one. One bedroom, one bath. Like, yeah, I got the one on one. My rent was 500, 2500. I'm like, yo, we say he would come and be like, yo, what's up? We're gonna go to Philly, yo. Hype me up.

[Cease]

This.

[Fat Joe]

We're going to Atlantic City. We're going to Boston. Hype me up. And so he fed me, you know, during that time. But, you know, it was, you know, we know we had hard times in hip hop. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it slow up. That's why you say all the time, yo, we just got to keep. We got to keep working. We just can't stop. Even if we don't need it, we got to keep going and going and going and going. I'm going to Mongolia next week. Mongolia. I gotta get the bag, bro. Mongolia. I gotta fly to China, then to Mongolia. You know how real that is. That's right. I tried my best. I said, nah, I ain't doing it. Nah, nah. Mongolia, I love you. Thank you for the opportunity. But I was like, nah, no way. I'm going this and this and that.

[Cease]

You don't used to fly. You fly now, right?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but real flights. No, I don't want to do it. I don't want to listen. That's terrible. No more than that. Yeah.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

You wouldn't have done.

[Fat Joe]

Number nine to China, then another two to all Mongolia. But what I'm trying to tell you is that Rich players, oh, yes. You are getting on that flight. I see your wish. He was like, nick, we getting that bag, bro. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, you gotta do that. I don't really need it. I really don't really have to go, brother. I'm being honest with you. But. But you gotta do it before you need it. You gotta work when you don't need it. When you need it, you like, all right, we got it. That's the only way to do it.

[Cease]

It's a choice at that point, once you already done put it in already, you're like, all right, pause. I ain't like how that sounded just now. And I don't like saying I Don't like saying that. But once you put work, you put your work ahead. You don't have to. You could do less, is what I mean by that.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, I could do it. I don't really have to go. I'm gonna be honest with you. I'm gonna get the bag because I gotta go get that.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

You know, there's no justification when it's gone in his bag.

[Fat Joe]

Getting time.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

I don't care where it's at. Mongolia, I don't know.

[Fat Joe]

I'm there. That's what I said. People used to tell me at one time, Fat Joe, toward the whole Africa. Davido, if you want to throw your hat or something. Davido. So I went to Africa so much, and Davido, when I met him at an All Star game. You was there, too, at that All Star game, he was like, yo, you was in my village 10 times when I was a kid, I watched you in my village in Africa. You know what I'm saying? So I would go to Africa to tour, and other artists would be like, yo, you going to Africa? And I'd be like, yo, my man got killed over $1 in the dice game in the Bronx. He asked Betty. They stabbed him in his heart, and he died. How much more dangerous could it be in Africa where in my projects, I know guys that died for $1. Well, I gotta go get this bag. We gonna see if Mongolian beef paws out there is the good. You know what I'm saying? We going out there, we gonna see.

[Cease]

Right, B? I wouldn't get on the plane no more than 13 hours.

[Fat Joe]

He had a limit.

[Cease]

We ain't go. We. We had. We had boogers in Japan and Alaska.

[Fat Joe]

He.

[Cease]

He not getting. He's like, I'm not doing that.

[Fat Joe]

Smart guy.

[Cease]

Anything. 12 hours over, he ain't with it.

[Fat Joe]

So we gotta break it up. I go to Dubai for a little 12, 13 hours, stay one day and then fly to China another. Eight, nine, and then that. Then take the tube. You're rich, man. Go yourself on your birthday, man. Get the out of here. You got me going to move out of here, man. Oh, man, this ain't that.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

That ain't this.

[Fat Joe]

It's cracking. Kiss bastards.

[Cease]

No doubt, man.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to the fountain, Blue.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Shout out to our guests, my brother, Caesar, Leo.

[Cease]

Yo, man, I appreciate y' all for having me, man.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Everybody's around. He's gonna be loving in and out, you know what I mean?

[Cease]

Y' all two of my big brothers.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

He's like the cousin to the show.

[Cease]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, he's supposed to be like brother man just pops up.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Yeah.

[Cease]

He likes my man from the fifth floor.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but that's what the happened. You right over here chilling. I said oh no, we gotta get season this.

[Cease]

Yo man. Shout out to big. Shout out to me. I got an album coming out, Harder to say city. A documentary call from a young G's perspective.

[Fat Joe]

Wow.

[Cease]

You know what I'm saying? And I'm going to keep it authentic. I'm gonna keep on representing for B I G. You know, it's cultural here. No fly.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to the homie.

[Cease]

Shout out to D Rock. Shout out the rules. Shout out to C Gutter. Rip the cheap delvet. Rip to Mr. Bristow. You know what I'm saying? Mr. C. 50 grand.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

Shout out banging Blake, man.

[Cease]

Banging Blake. That's my fear. Nino Brown. Shout out to the whole team, man.

[Fat Joe]

We gotta say L Campburns, Hulkburns. Love you Kim. Everybody, everybody.

[Podcast Host (Joe and Jada Show)]

My man Lance.

[Cease]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

God damn. Who else is from the pull up bars over there?

[Cease]

A bunch of them over here.

[Fat Joe]

You calling out the whole pull up bar.

[Cease]

Foreign?

[Colin Coward]

This is Colin Coward from the Colin coward podcast on Fox 1. Now you can stream your favorite live sport so you can be there live for the biggest moments. That means NFL Sundays and college football games, nascar, Major league baseball, postseason and more. With Fox one, you get it all. Live, edgier seat plays, high octane moments and that feeling like you're right there in the action. Fox one, we live for live streaming now. Stop settling for weak sound. It's time to level up your game and bring the boom. Hit the town with The Ultra Durable LG XBoom Portable speaker and enjoy vibrant sound wherever you go. Elevate your listening experience to new heights because let's be real, your music deserves deserves it. The future of sound is now with LG XBoom and for a limited time save 25% at LG.com with code Fall25. Bring the Boom XBoom.

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[Fat Joe]

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