Sheryl Swoopes on WNBA Mt. Rushmore, ICONIC Nike deal, J. Cole in China & Caitlyn Clark’s MVP chances

Summary

Joe and Jada Podcast — Episode Summary

Episode: Sheryl Swoopes on WNBA Mt. Rushmore, ICONIC Nike deal, J. Cole in China & Caitlyn Clark’s MVP chances
Date: May 7, 2026
Hosts: Fat Joe (“Joe Crack the Dawn”) and Jadakiss (“Jada”)
Guest: Sheryl Swoopes, WNBA legend
Duration referenced: ~02:33–1:27:32 (excluding ads and intro/outro)

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Episode Overview

This lively, irreverent episode brings iconic WNBA star Sheryl Swoopes to the couch with Fat Joe and Jadakiss. Together, they skip between hilarious hip-hop banter and meaningful deep dives about sports legacy, sneaker culture, breaking barriers, and the evolution of women’s basketball. Topics range from the WNBA’s history to funky pop-culture moments (J. Cole’s China basketball adventure) and hard-hitting analysis on league stars like Caitlin Clark, Asia Wilson, and expansion trends. The tone balances streetwise candor and joy with genuine respect for Swoopes and women’s sports.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Sheryl Swoopes’ Legendary WNBA Impact

(02:33–07:18, 24:00–25:56, 32:09–33:45, 39:23–41:09)

• First player ever signed in the WNBA, four-time champion, three-time MVP, three Olympic gold medals, NCAA champion, and Naismith/Women’s Basketball Hall of Fame inductee.
• Set the foundation for the modern WNBA. Fat Joe:

  "Everything you see in the WNBA right now, she helped lay that foundation with her own hands." (06:47)

• Openly discussed her “distinctive” look and star appeal. Joe jokes about her "signature face" and not confusing her with anyone else.

  "You had a signature face. You can't get her confused with nobody else." (20:16, 21:28)

The Iconic Nike Deal — The Air Swoopes

(05:23–05:57, 24:52–25:56, 31:01–31:40)

• First women’s basketball player with a Nike signature shoe. Swoopes recounts the pivotal moment:

  "They said, ‘We're going to name it after you... the Nike Air Swoops.’ And I cried and I cried." (25:20)

• Emphasizes the impact for future generations:

  "It was more about doors opening and opportunities for all these other young girls who will come up after me that can now have that dream and know that that dream can become a reality." (25:42)

• Joe asks if she made more from the shoe deal than her league salary:

  "Even my Nike contract back in the day wasn’t like... Asia Wilson 28 million." (31:01) "But that wasn’t the thing that was important. What was important to me was, like, this shit is really happening." (31:36)

WNBA Draft & League Evolution

(08:44–10:59)

• Reflections on the 2026 WNBA Draft—genuine excitement for the increased pay and visibility:

  "Shout out. The girls got paid. The girls got paid. Much better." (09:45)

• Joe retells a conversation with the Liberty’s owner about player compensation and advocacy for female athletes.

J. Cole’s Basketball Stint in China

(10:59–18:01)

• Fat Joe and Jada roast J. Cole’s performance playing for the “Chinese Monkeys” (a fictional or comedic reference), calling out the difference between celebrity crossovers and real professional gameplay.
• Joe’s comedic breakdown:

  "J. Cole went over there and we saw, Drew, what really was going on. And they left him one donut." (15:46) "If you was to get it somehow, a 10 day contract ... and in the first game you pitch, put your shit on four in row." (18:17)

• Both hosts underline the seriousness of pro sports and how fame can’t shortcut skill.

Overcoming Humble Beginnings

(32:09–36:42)

• Powerful reflections on childhood, poverty, and drive.
• Swoopes on her early motivation:

  "I had a goal and a dream of, I’m going to change my mom’s life. ... I never allowed failure to—like, it wasn’t an option." (32:39)

• Emotional moments about the meaning of success—having a thousand-dollar meal with her brothers.

  "To sit down and have a nice thousand dollar meal with my brothers feels good ... Growing up the way we did, I don’t think any of us ever thought that would be possible." (36:18)

On Four-Peat Championships & Team Culture

(39:23–40:53)

• Swoopes discusses back-to-back Comets championships.
• Contrasts the hunger and relentless drive of “her generation” versus current athletes.

  "Once you get a taste of winning, then you want more and more. …With the Comets, it was like we weren’t going to lose." (39:56)

On Racism, Respect, and the NCAA Finals Handshake

(42:04–49:54)

• In-depth discussion of the Dawn Staley–Geno Auriemma handshake controversy and the persistent expectation for Black women to “take the high road.” Swoopes says:

  "We’re always expected to just be like, oh, well, it’s okay. We’ll sweep it under the rug. ... At some point, like, when do we say, enough is enough?" (48:13, 48:25)

• Joe draws parallels to racial profiling at high-end stores and airport security, highlighting daily indignities faced by celebrities of color.
• Swoopes critiques Auriemma’s actions:

  “In that moment, you took away one of the most special parts of a college athlete’s career ... let those young ladies enjoy that moment and stop making it about you, because it wasn’t about you.” (49:38)

Signature Moments & Scoring Feats

(50:30–53:10)

• Fat Joe references Swoopes’ legendary 53-point game.

  "This Sheryl Swoopes with 53 is very, very understandable." (50:58)

• Jokes about Bam Adebayo (Bam “out the bio”) scoring 83 in a recent game, questioning its plausibility but acknowledging outstanding performances across eras.

Swoopes’ WNBA Mount Rushmore & Top Five

(58:16–59:15)

• Swoopes’ Top 5 (excluding herself):
  • Lisa Leslie
  • Cynthia Cooper
  • Diana Taurasi
  • Tina Thompson
  • Lauren Jackson

  "Lauren Jackson... you don’t even know who that is." (59:11–59:16)

• Discussion touches on Maya Moore and Sue Bird, with hosts sharing their own preferences.

The Growth of the WNBA, Expansion Teams & Arena Culture

(64:30–65:15)

• Swoopes on expansion: Toronto and Portland set for the upcoming season; Philly, Detroit, and Cleveland following (2029–2030).

  "I love it. Love it ... this season we’ll have Toronto, Toronto and Portland, which I’m happy about." (64:35–65:07)

• Houston to get a team (the Comets), but at the expense of Connecticut Sun.
• Fat Joe:

  "If Joel Osteen could sell out the stadium every weekend, you guys got a good chance over there with the Comets." (65:44)

The Liberty, Caitlin Clark, & 2026 MVP Predictions

(78:58–83:43)

• Swoopes on 2026 projections:
  • Las Vegas Aces are favorites, but NY Liberty and Indiana Fever have potential.
  • On Caitlin Clark’s MVP potential:

    "She gotta go and take it from Asia Wilson." (80:00) "Asia ain’t just gonna let it go like that." (80:17)

  • Praises Indiana’s draft picks and roster, especially the addition of Raven Johnson at point.
• Jadakiss and Joe heap love on the Liberty, their mascot Ellie, and the growing women’s game.

Swoopes’ Upbringing, Grit, and the Influence of Her Brothers

(67:28–70:06)

• Swoopes credits her older brothers (and being the only girl on the court) with her toughness, work ethic, and defensive skills.

  "That’s where I learned how to play basketball... the toughness that I got was from playing with all those dudes." (68:22)

• Emphasizes the strong fundamentals and work ethic in women’s basketball compared to men’s.

Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You had a signature face. ... You can't get her confused with nobody else. You got a distinctive look.” (20:16, Fat Joe)
• “They said, ‘We're going to call it the Nike Air Swoops.’ And I cried and I cried.” (25:20, Sheryl Swoopes)
• On Black women and unfair expectations:

  “...as a black person, in particular a black woman, we’re always expected to take the higher road ... But at some point, like, when do we say, like, enough is enough?” (48:13–48:25, Sheryl Swoopes)

• On humble beginnings:

  “…to sit down and have a nice thousand dollar meal with my brothers feels good... Growing up the way we did, I don’t think any of us ever thought that would be possible.” (36:18, Swoopes)

• On most important thing about her shoe deal:

  “What was important to me was, like, this shit is really happening.” (31:36, Swoopes)

• On women’s basketball fundamentals:

  “I think the women’s game, like, fundamentally, I think we’re better because we really spend the time working on our craft... that’s why we have really good shooters.” (69:13, Swoopes)

• On Caitlin Clark and Asia Wilson’s MVP race:

  “She gotta go and take it from Asia Wilson... Asia ain’t just gonna let it go like that.” (80:00, 80:17, Swoopes)

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Segment Timestamps (MM:SS)

• Sheryl Swoopes’ Introduction: 02:33–07:18
• Her historic Nike deal: 24:52–25:56
• WNBA Draft & pay evolution: 08:44–10:59
• J.Cole in China: 10:59–18:01
• Childhood, poverty, and dreams: 32:09–36:42
• Comets dynasty, team culture: 39:23–41:09
• On the NCAA handshake, racism: 42:04–49:54
• Swoopes’ 53-point game, Bam Adebayo debate: 50:30–53:10
• WNBA Top 5/Mt. Rushmore: 58:16–59:15
• WNBA expansion talk: 64:30–65:15
• Caitlin Clark & MVP talk: 78:58–83:43
• Her upbringing and brothers’ influence: 67:28–70:06

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Closing Notes

The episode delivers a rich, entertaining, and authentic portrait of Sheryl Swoopes’ career and legacy, explores how societal and industry attitudes towards women’s sports have changed—and still need to change—and celebrates the unique culture and direction of the WNBA in 2026. Through Fat Joe and Jadakiss’s distinct lens, the conversation always returns to respect, persistence, and the importance of honoring those who paved the way.

Sheryl Swoopes’ Podcast: “Levels to This” (84:31)

Transcript

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And so like I'm looking at Cheryl Swoops. I said she got her own face. You don't look like nobody else.

[B]

We all have our own face.

[E]

Yeah, but you don't look like nobody else. Meaning Shell swoosh.

[B]

Shell swoops.

[E]

We don't get to confuse shall.

[F]

What? Shell swoop. Shell swoop.

[E]

We don't get you confused with nobody else. You got your own distinctive look. You know, one time I landed in la. Six hour flight.

[F]

There we go.

[E]

Yo, what up, y'? All? This Joe Crack the Dawn.

[F]

You know who it is. Your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic.

[E]

Iconic.

[F]

And we ain't stopping, okay?

[E]

This is a serious iconic one.

[F]

You heard what I said? Every show legendary. Every show iconic.

[E]

But I can't lie, some people are borderline. All right, big, whatever, you know, we help those out. We have an iconic.

[F]

We had a few that wasn't legendary or iconic. We keeping it real. No, I can't do it.

[E]

You don't. My guest.

[F]

Don't, don't. Listen, listen. That's another show. Today's show.

[E]

Who ain't iconic.

[F]

When you think of today's guest. We'll get to the un Icons on another edition. Today is very iconic.

[E]

Super.

[F]

When you think of today's guest, you think of the first player ever signed in the wnba.

[E]

Clap it up.

[F]

Make some noise for that alone. We didn't even start yet. Did this. Make some noise for that. You think of four WNBA champions.

[E]

Clap it up for that.

[F]

That shit ain't make some more no louder and louder Electronic Sarconics, you know what I mean? You think a three time MVP make noise? Three Olympic gold medals make noise? NCAA title make noise. Texas, Texas fever. World cup gold make no. She collect the hardware like it was a hobby. That's what she does.

[E]

Talking that.

[F]

You know what I mean? You think of the first woman that

[B]

night gave a signature sneaker.

[E]

First signature sneaker.

[F]

Basketball gave her a signature shoe before they even knew women basketball shoes could sell. Make noise. Want to keep going? Let's keep going. You think of a woman who stands on her truth even when it costs something, you know what I mean? To do so. Nate Smith, hall of Fame, 2016 Women's Basketball hall of Fame.

[E]

Man,

[F]

Wouldn't it keep going?

[E]

You know the Rock and Roll hall of Fame just jerked. New edition. They should have been nominated different.

[F]

A 1996 Olympic team is being inducted into the Naismith hall of Fame this year. Make noise. I mean, one of the top 15 WNBA players of all time. Did you hear me? All time. Make noise.

[E]

Let me hear it up a little bit. Let me hear that one again.

[F]

One of the top 15.

[E]

They shrugged her. Now she's down. She's more towards the higher. Top five. Dead or alive.

[F]

Make noise.

[E]

They jerked you. They jerked you.

[F]

Everything you see in the WNBA right now, she helped lay that foundation with her own hands. Please welcome the legend, the icon to everything that we need in this world to make the WNBA as you see it today evolve. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for Ms. Cheryl Swart.

[B]

I want to do it. Make no.

[F]

Now you want to say something crazy?

[E]

No, I'm just saying she touched the 1800 event before we get the toast. She's already off the 1800.

[F]

You too, shout out to 1800.

[E]

Yo, get me a glass. I'm white. I can't drink them.

[F]

She's celebrating a birthday recently, a belated birthday. Doing this for the draft.

[E]

Over the top. Over the top. Let me get the 1800. Over the top. I'm going in. Yo, two time a felon. You know, our guy's called two time a felon. He said two time a felon. Trying to change his life.

[F]

Two time a felon.

[E]

He's a work in progress. I got one more for you, too. And then one of the newer members of the Rock family, Ms. Cheryl Swoobs.

[F]

One of the newer members of the Rock family, make the heart.

[E]

I don't know. I did not know. Yeah.

[F]

1800, belated birthday. Newest member of the Rock family. And we also toast into the wnba. The draft was beautiful. Shout out to all the young ladies who's gonna succeed.

[E]

Hondo,

[F]

talk about the draft right quick before we get into all of your accomplishments, which you have going on. How'd you feel about it? I watched the whole thing. I put myself on another pedestal. Cause a lot of my friends was calling around. They saying, yo, there's no games on. It's da, da, da.

[E]

They said it was a hard one.

[F]

Yeah, you was on.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[F]

You one of my friends that was on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I enjoyed watching the. The pre draft. And I watched the entire draft, the whole thing. And one of my guys, T dar, shout out to Dobby. He was there with me. He didn't. I'm telling him, yo, dog, why she go next and this and that? She's from UCLA, she's from St. John, she from UConn, and she's from South. He like, how do you know I said, dog, you don't watch female. Watch the female. Like, no, I have.

[E]

No.

[F]

But after that, he like, yo, I'm gonna start watching it. You made me. I feel good.

[E]

Shout out. The girls got paid. The girls got paid. Much better. Yeah, you know, I had a whole like with the lady who owns the Nets. It's the Asian lady. I went in for the.

[F]

Josiah's wife.

[E]

Huh?

[F]

Josiah got the Nets and his wife got the Liberty.

[E]

Well, his wife is a beautiful lady. And I pulled her to the side and we talked for about a good half an hour. And I was like, yo, these girls gotta get paid. She was like, yeah, we paying them. Said, no, like, pay.

[F]

Are you telling me you responsive?

[E]

No, no, that would be ready. Yo, that would be Cap. That would be Cap. I'm just telling you on behalf of

[F]

the young ladies, you put your word in.

[E]

Whatever you can. Whatever you can.

[B]

You know what's good is when cuz for so long, right? Like, the w started in 97. And I was talking to someone earlier, and I said, In 97, when I signed my contract, I actually was off a little bit. I thought it was 375. It was 200,000. 50,000 of it was from the team. And then the 150,000 was from the marketing and stuff I did for the league.

[E]

So the lead. But it was. And then most WNBA players gotta go abroad. They gotta go, by the way, J. Cole quit after one game, by the way. No, no, no. You gotta be with me, Joe. You gotta be with me. Because he ain't a real Hooper. And the man thought he could go over there. He donated the whole shit, they said, by me. He donated it. He got no points, no nothing. No assist, no points.

[B]

They said he had visa issues, though.

[E]

Out of here, bro. Like, yo. And by the way, I' tell my audience what he play. He played with the Chinese Monkey. Monkeys.

[B]

Ok. Yeah.

[E]

Yo, listen. Hold. Listen to me. You know these real actors, they get mad when rappers try to act and shit. Yes, you should be upset because this guy is very famous. He sells out stadiums. He's one of the greatest rappers of all time, and he think it's a game. So he went out there to play like, yo, I'm J. Cole. He donut shit. Everybody came at me. By the way, I love J. Cole.

[F]

No, you don't.

[E]

Yes, I do. Yes, I do. I'm telling you right now, by the way, I love J. Cole. Just because I speak truth, why do you want me to kiss everybody's ass up here? I gotta have an Opinion. I know basketball to the point that I knew that boy was gonna go over there and do nothing. He went over there and did nothing.

[F]

How'd you know that? How?

[E]

Because what happens is it's a real league. It's a real. That shit is like the G League or a little bit better than the G League. So you got retired. Everybody who's the nicest from overseas is over there. Everybody that ain't in. You know. AI. After he was. AI or T. They there. Stephon Marbury is busting your man booby cousins. They busting ass. You coming? J. Cole.

[F]

Get the.

[E]

They ran him out of China.

[F]

I don't understand.

[E]

J. Cole. Come to the show. Discuss. Let's just discuss, man.

[B]

But over. It's a real league. It's a real thing. Like if you're not a. But if you not. But what?

[E]

He wanted to play three so he could donut for three.

[F]

He didn't.

[E]

Y' all get outta here.

[B]

So. But he. He got. But he got in the country and his visa was good enough for him to.

[E]

It's a lie.

[F]

It's a lie.

[E]

He. He stunk up the place. The man didn't want. He didn't want three in a row.

[F]

Something happened. Get out of here. That's what they. That's what.

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Get out of here.

[F]

But in his defense, he only played one game.

[E]

He had two three pointers that he was wide open. I watched him in that.

[F]

Have a bad game.

[E]

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you know? This is the time you want to know why right now. Rappers have no more juice in the culture. This is the only stuff. Because the streamers. The streamers. And you know what the streamers these young boys are doing now? They winning streaming. You know why? Because they show they flaws and they show what's up and they show when they win. You got a streamer, he idolizes a rat. He comes, puts him on a streaming. You got other streamers. You got one guy who was on Instagram. You see the guy? The guy looked like Dwight Howard, who was the guy that was racing cars and animals.

[B]

He.

[E]

But he raced against the streamer. The guy said, this the real. This ain't Instagram. Chopped up edit. He beat him three times in a row. So the point is, you can't do this. Master P got away with an ADA coming up in there. They picking for him. They giving them. You can't do that. J. Cole went over there and we saw Drew what really was going on. And they left him one donut.

[F]

Master P up here too.

[E]

Master B came to the rucker and they scored one point. I watched him with my own eyes.

[F]

Scored double digits.

[E]

I'm not talking on shit. I don't know. I watched her hoop. I watched J. Cole when he was playing in Africa. I was up at 4 in the morning watching that.

[F]

He was too.

[E]

I knew he was. Anyway, J. Cole, we love you.

[F]

I don't know what he did to you.

[E]

He ain't doing.

[F]

I don't know what he did to

[E]

you, but he's always called you. I love J. Cole. I told you. I love J. Cole. But I gotta speak the truth. Y' all people don't want me to speak the truth up here.

[F]

I can't sit up here, lie right? Let's get off of that. Let's talk about.

[B]

Okay, but the one game he played in. What? What did he do?

[E]

Zero.

[F]

Everything he missed, he missed.

[E]

He hit the number on the top 24.

[F]

He had a wide open 3, 16 hour flight. You're a rapper. You never.

[E]

No, no. This guy wants the feature.

[F]

Yeah, he give.

[E]

This guy wants the feature.

[F]

I don't want anything.

[E]

Oh, no.

[F]

I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt. It's one game. If he played the half a season, a quarter of season.

[E]

Sent that boy right.

[F]

How you know? Next waved him in one game.

[E]

They said, yo, you know what, man? You stunk up the play, man. You gotta go back.

[B]

Waived him after one game.

[E]

One game. When I say I'm arguing with t.

[B]

Mac Tracy McGrady sitting.

[E]

Where you sitting at? Yo, he's good for 12. He's this. I said, get the.

[F]

Tracy McGrady said he's good for eight.

[E]

See, you said he's good for 12.

[F]

I didn't say anything.

[E]

What? I say he was good for zero. I told you it was not gonna happen. Beloved. You gave him four.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[E]

I gave him four. With the wide open? Yeah. When you triple team the guy, he's wide open under the bay. I gave him four.

[F]

True.

[E]

Yeah, you're right. You're double felon. I. Y' all don't want no truth. Y' all don't want no truth. He throw the Sabbath.

[F]

He called everybody.

[E]

No, I'mma just kiss everybody ass. I'mma just lie.

[F]

Y. Listen, all right. If you was.

[E]

You my brother, by the way, let me say talk.

[F]

If you was to get it somehow, a 10 day contract on a professional sophomore team, in the first game you

[E]

pitch, put your shit on four in row.

[F]

Consecutive.

[E]

I still hold.

[F]

He only pitched one game.

[E]

They did that. Yankee Stadium. CeCe Sabathia got the charity. He went on ESPN and told him I'm the legendary pitcher of the South Bronx. Them niggas hit like five home runs off of me back to back.

[F]

See what I'm saying?

[E]

I was up at it. They denounced me in two innings. They're like, yo, Joey, get the fuck up. Thank you. See how they come out? They were like, okay, buddy, let's go. Rich playing with. Trying to fight the whole. He was just like, he's a bum. He's dragged. Rich want to fight the whole crowd. I see. Yo, Rich, calm down. Charity, chill. I retired officially.

[F]

Same thing.

[E]

He needs to retire officially.

[F]

He did.

[E]

No, no. Like, ever. Don't do it. Don't, don't. J. Cole, don't come out no more.

[F]

Let's talk about your Nike deal.

[E]

No, no. I want to talk. Hold up. One thing. Because. Because Cheryl Swoops.

[B]

That's funny.

[E]

When you played them three pointers was unconscious. Like, I watched you shoot from anywhere. And just what was it? The same thing. They t. Mac took the basket, felt this big because I watched you pull up and you were just shooting that shit. Like, how you know what's going in.

[B]

I think for me, just knowing the work I put in, that was the hard part. The easy part was the actual games because I knew I was prepared for it.

[F]

Ooh.

[E]

Okay. You know, very Beyonce and jlo, like, right these. Can I explain?

[B]

Why are you making that face like,

[E]

Beyonce and JLO will practice for a show. Say they have a show in May. They be going for a month straight. Where they don't give a fuck. In the bomb land or something. They got that fucking. They ain't never fucking up if they practice so much. That's the two artists that I know of that practice more than anybody when they got like, so J. Beyonce had a whole documentary based on Coachella. She was practicing for, like, two months. I know my daughter watching this shit all day in the house. I'm like, she's like, what? She practicing two months for one show? So you saying, yo, I practiced so much that I just knew. I'm gonna tell you something else. That sounds weird, but you had a signature face. Okay? Yeah, like Sheryl Swoops. You can't get her confused with nobody else. You got a distinctive look, right? And so, like, I'm looking at Sheryl Swoopes. I said, she got her own face. You don't look like nobody else.

[B]

We all have our own face.

[E]

Yeah, but you don't look like nobody else. Meaning Shell Swoosh, Charles Swoops. We don't get you confused.

[F]

Shout what?

[E]

We don't get you confused with nobody else. You got your own distinctive look. You know, one time I landed in la.

[F]

Six hour flight, there we go.

[E]

And I went in the gas station, and somebody ran and was like, fat Joe, I swear to God. I came off the plane tired, wiping my eyes, went in the gas station. Somebody parked the car and. And ran in, and they could only see the back of my head. So I'm like, can I get a picture? I said, how'd you see me? I saw the back of your head while I was pumping gas. I knew it was you. Meaning that you have a distinctive look. Like, I won't miss you nowhere. I'll be like, yo, that's Sheryl Swoo.

[F]

You got a distinctive head. That's what you just.

[B]

I don't know if I've ever heard that before.

[E]

Huh? I don't know. I'm telling you, I know what I'm talking about. You sure?

[B]

Okay.

[E]

It was no game I ever looked at, and you was playing. I felt like that was a shrubs. Yeah, that's her.

[F]

You know when you see it, she

[E]

got her own look. And that's a good thing nowadays. You don't know who's what, who's who when they all look the same.

[F]

The good thing.

[E]

All the basketball players, man. Basketball players, they all look the same.

[F]

No, they don't.

[E]

Since when they all look the same. You could get confused.

[F]

You could get confused with LeBron and Nate Robinson.

[E]

Not difference. Satsuan. Satsuan Satsuan.

[F]

From the Knicks.

[E]

Sochon and Kelly Oubre might look the same. Like all them dudes look the same. I don't know. Anyway, maybe I'm off the subject, man. Fuck it.

[F]

Not all light skinned two time felon. What kind of coffee?

[E]

Not all light skin, but all these guys look the same. Okay, I'll leave it at that.

[B]

Are you saying like their facial features or their games?

[E]

No, no, their games are different. What I'm saying is their facial feature guys got the same tattoo of Jesus on their cheek.

[B]

Stop.

[E]

You know, they all got the same.

[B]

Stop that.

[E]

These guys all look like each other, bro, I'm telling you.

[F]

Back to the signature shoe. How was it back then, having your own signature shoe? How's your relationship with Nike still?

[B]

I have a great relationship with Nike. You know, people always talk about like goals and dreams and things that they wanted to do growing up. That was the one I had on my list. Like I had a list of here's what I want to do in life, right? I want to play in the Olympics. I want to meet Michael Jordan. All those things I never wrote down. I want to someday have my own shoe. Because back then that just wasn't something that we thought about. And there was no brand, no company that was giving a woman her own signature shoe. And you said it early, especially not knowing if the shoe would sell. And you know, people aren't really. And so they said, people aren't really into women's basketball. And I just, I remember going to Nike and sitting down and having a conversation and the question was, what do you look for in a basketball shoe? Because I wore men's shoes, I played in men's shoes. There were no women's shoes. And I gave them this whole rundown of this is what's important to me in a basketball shoe. And the end of that conversation was, well, we're going to design a women's basketball shoe. And that excited me because I was like, finally we'll have a shoe. And then they said, and we're going to name it after you. And I heard it, but I didn't hear it. So there was no reaction. And then they said, we're going to call it the Nike Air Swoops. And I cried and I cried.

[E]

Wow.

[B]

So just for a very short time, I was like, wow, like this is really happening to me. But then it became bigger. It was more about doors opening and opportunities for all these other young girls who will come up after me that can now have that dream and know that that dream can become a reality.

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[E]

Now let me let Me. Let me ask you a question. Did they pay you more for your sneaker than what you was getting paid for the league at the time, or was it more like a look?

[B]

Well, you know, I had a Nike contract, but even. Even my Nike contract back in the day wasn't like. I mean, it wasn't. It's. It wasn't a. Asia Wilson 28 million.

[E]

I had a number one song. I was getting $500 a show. They played me.

[F]

Legend.

[B]

But. Oh, but the thing is, honestly, I didn't even. Like, you could give me $100,000. And I was like, oh, that's a lot of money. That was a lot of money for me, like, the way I grew up, where I was from. But that wasn't the thing that was important. What was important to me was, like, this shit is really happening.

[E]

Greatness.

[B]

Like, somebody is thinking outside of the

[E]

box and to come from. Yeah, I know. I'm let. I'm gonna let you talk, but go ahead. I wanna just finish what I'm saying.

[F]

Let her finish.

[E]

All right, go ahead. Okay, go ahead. Okay.

[B]

Okay. No, I forgot what I was saying. Go ahead.

[F]

Oh.

[E]

Oh, I'm sorry about that.

[B]

I forgot.

[F]

1800.

[E]

I wanted to say 1800. Well, I wanted to get back at that Brown. Good girl. Y', all, listen, you got.

[B]

That's not brown.

[E]

Now, what is it? Tan, Beige.

[B]

It's clear.

[F]

Clear.

[E]

Growing up, right? Growing up. You grew up in Texas. Correct. And practice it and every. And then you finally get to college and you become a superstar. That's what I want to allude to. Like, did you ever. Ever have an idea that you was going to make it to that level? Like, did you ever look back in time, like, looked at the court and said, yo, I remember when I was a kid and I could never believe I would be under these bright lights, I think.

[B]

So, like, I. I grew up in a very small town, and I played ball with my brothers and my brother's friends. But, like, I knew there was something special about my talent and my ability on the basketball court. There was nothing else I wanted to do. It was me, a basketball. If that was playing with guys, not playing with guys on the court by myself. I had a goal and a dream of, I'm going to change my mom's life. And I knew the only way to do that was to get an academic scholarship and go to college, get an athletic scholarship. And I just. I never allowed failure to. Like, it wasn't an option. I never allowed, like, negative thoughts, any of those things to Enter my mind of, what if this doesn't work out? What if wasn't an option for me?

[E]

This was.

[B]

Was it?

[E]

You know, I think. Because, you know, sometimes I get to thinking, you know, I'm still in the same neighborhood. I live in a different place, but my car drives around the same neighborhood I grew up in almost every day. So I think about going with my mother to welfare. Hard times, free cheese. Like, I just can't escape it. Cause, you know, unlike a lot of other places, when you really get to know New York, it's like one giant ghetto. So it's like, you know, like, wherever you go, you remember, you know, oh, this way. I used to come with my mother and father, Beef State Charlie. This way. I. You know. So for me, like, it's insane for me to just understand, like, the life we're living now.

[B]

It's like, no doubt.

[E]

It just don't make sense. Like, I'd just be like, wow, this is crazy.

[B]

Well, but I also think this. So when I go back home where I grew up, I think it's good for them to be able to see people like yourself and Jada and myself, so they can look at us and say, if they did it, we can do it. I was the same. My mom was on welfare. We had the free cheese. My mom worked the cafeteria. She cleaned houses. Days where we come home, the lights weren't on. Like, I had all of those things. And I think at any point we could allow that to define us and have an excuse of saying, well, this is all I know, or this is all I've seen. So this is what my life is gonna be. But I think we chose differently, right? But I don't think it's a bad thing to be in your neighborhood, to go back to your neighborhood, but to be able to show all of the people in your neighborhood, this is where I came from. But that doesn't mean this is who you have to be as you get older.

[E]

I love that.

[F]

I love that more. That's official.

[B]

Life is hard, though.

[F]

Definitely.

[E]

Life is hard.

[B]

Life is hard.

[E]

It never gets easy, ever.

[B]

But I have moments where I have two older brothers and a younger brother. I don't have any sisters. But there are times, anytime I get together with my brothers and we sit and we having drinks or like, we're having a nice dinner. And some people may look at this or hear this and be like, what? But it means something to me to be able to sit down. Oh, God, I'm going to cry. But to sit down and have A nice thousand dollar meal with my brothers feels good, you know? And to say, growing up the way we did, I don't think any of us ever thought that would be possible, you know? So to be able to do that now and, like, not think twice about means something. Yeah, absolutely.

[F]

That's a blessing.

[E]

It's big time.

[B]

And so I'm probably the only person that sat on this couch and cried with y'.

[E]

All. No, no. I might have cried up.

[B]

No, I'm not gonna cry.

[E]

No, no. But I like that, though, because it's showing your truth. And that's where I was trying to get to, because for no disrespect, we from the big city. And I'm looking at you with all that excellence. I'm like, she from a little town of Texas, like, very. What was that? Brownfields, highways. I was just in Houston the other day. I be thinking about. We talk about J. Cole. J. Cole from Fayetteville, North Carolina. This is little, little, little, little town. He does stadium. To talk of everything. That's a big fucking deal. At least us, we saw Grandmaster Flash or you seen Fat Joe on Fordham. You just, I mean, to come from, like, the littlest town.

[F]

That's the Johnson. Like, Joe, see Fat Joe.

[E]

You ever seen a.

[F]

Yes.

[E]

He's like four years younger than me, so he likes to, you know, rub that in.

[F]

Four is a lot when you. Back in the day.

[E]

Yeah, yeah, back in the day.

[B]

Yeah. 4.

[F]

It's a lot when you. When you start. It would come up.

[E]

I was telling somebody on Easter, we were sitting around and they were like, yo, but how did you get bullied? Like, when I was younger, I used to get beat up every day. And I was like, yo, I was like 12, 13, and my brother was already like 18. So that little six year, he can't come beat up 12 year olds or 13 year olds. He's a grown man already. He's already 18. So that age difference you talking about, it really is a difference. They were like, why you ain't call your brother? I said, my brother can't come beat up these kids. These kids, 20, 12, 13, 14, he 18. I couldn't even get my brothers. They was too big. That's crazy.

[F]

Damn. That don't matter. They coming outside.

[B]

Facts. Yeah, facts.

[F]

Any age you gotta get your brother.

[E]

I used to see mothers come in there and start beating the teachers up and down. You ever seen that? When they come in with the Vaseline on that face, be like, Ms. Wiggins, you bring your ass outside, we gonna see if My son. Oh, I'm busting your ass. Nah, I seen the most ratchet.

[B]

He said Vaseline on the face.

[E]

Vaseline on the face. Come outside, bitch. I bust your ass.

[F]

That's illegal.

[B]

That's true, though.

[F]

How does it feel to win four championships back in a row?

[E]

Four in a row.

[F]

How. That's like. Yeah, how did. How did it feel? Did it start feeling like slaughter after 3 and 2?

[E]

Like, I felt like this AC in the back of my neck is slaughter right now.

[F]

We got it cool.

[E]

I got to make my. Like, the phone cool. Don't warm it up. No, no, no. We need you. Nice.

[B]

I got a fan.

[E]

Toasty.

[F]

Was the feeling the same after the first one?

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[F]

They all feel.

[B]

Well, I think once you get a taste of winning, then you want more and more and more. And I do think, in a way, I think that's what's a little bit different about this generation right now that's playing. You have some that are hungry, like, they got that dog. They want to win, and they want to keep winning. But for us back then with the Comets, it was like we weren't going to lose, you know? And when you have. You have players. Myself and Coop and Tina and Kim Perad and Wanda Guyton and Jeanette Arcane from Brazil, by the way, who's one of the best that's ever played the game. When you see the work ethic that we brought. Can y' all turn this air?

[F]

This feel good to me.

[E]

I need a P. Daddy.

[F]

You gotta poo.

[E]

Shiesty with you. Cause this on the back of my neck. Legendary.

[B]

Wait a minute.

[E]

I can't even bubble gooses right now.

[B]

I can't finish answering.

[E]

Because y' all warming up 1800. How proud of you. Of Coach Dawn, Stan.

[B]

Oh, that's my girl.

[E]

Listen, I love doing Stanley.

[B]

Oh, you said Stanley. I didn't hear Stanley. I just heard Dawn.

[F]

You don't get nobody's name.

[B]

Staley, take the N out.

[E]

Yeah, I know. She throw that on facts. She be fly the. On that sideline. She one thing she gonna do.

[F]

Stole that shit.

[E]

Throw that on every game she playing with him.

[B]

Yeah, I love.

[E]

That's my girl.

[B]

I love me some dawn, since you asked me that question, did you watch the Final Four?

[F]

No.

[E]

Yeah, I did. Yes, I did.

[F]

It was.

[B]

Did you?

[E]

No, I did.

[F]

It was the Final Four girls.

[E]

But were the guys.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm talking about the girls, not the girls.

[E]

Yeah, I watched the girls. Connecticut and all that.

[B]

Did you watch the Connecticut, South Carolina.

[E]

Guys. Yes.

[B]

Did you watch till the end?

[E]

Yes. When the man didn't want to give up.

[B]

What'd you think about that, Gino?

[E]

Yeah, Gino, you talking to the wrong guy, because they'll throw us off of Netflix. I got a different. You know my shit. I be trying to tell these guys I'm radical like, y'. All. I read through the lines like a motherfucker.

[F]

Like, what was that?

[E]

All that shit bothered me today. I went to a Hermes cell. They. They. They checked my Social Security number. They damn near looked at my ass and asked me what the. I was walking in there with.

[B]

I got one.

[E]

You know who the.

[B]

I got one. I got one. I got one.

[E]

Yeah, you got. I'mma tell you one thing. I'mma tell you one thing. All them people knew I'm rich as.

[B]

Come on.

[E]

And they still was playing with me.

[B]

No, for real. Talk about it.

[E]

Nah, nah. Like, don't get it up. They know who the fuck I am. They know my shit. They know I'm holding. They know what's up.

[F]

Yeah, don't get it fucked.

[B]

Talk about it. Come on.

[E]

Let's hear about this Social Security Q card. This. That here's a dis. Wait, excuse me, sir. Let us email the. This, this. That.

[B]

They didn't do all that.

[E]

Yes, all that shit. That bothers me, right? Because I believe in all of us are one. Right? I know this country.

[F]

That ain't happening. I don't care how much you believe.

[E]

That's what I believe.

[B]

True.

[F]

So I believe, too.

[E]

But no matter what the history of our future, no matter what the history of this country is, I never forget. But I like to take people at face value. And when the guy told me, get on the prison, take the prisoner over,

[F]

you didn't slip like that for that.

[E]

No, but I know it's the same thing. I gotta tolerate it. But it was hard.

[F]

I walked in the airport, the whole

[E]

man said, put him in the prisoner line. Like there's a line, apparently.

[F]

What about you? Yeah.

[E]

Yes.

[F]

We was at the NASCAR with MJ Flex.

[E]

How about that?

[F]

Come on. And when we going home? He got his security in, his partner and his managing with him and one of his two klutz Klan TSA guys, he said, nah, the prisoner entrance is over. You prisoner that way. And he didn't get that.

[E]

I should have called Ben Crump. God damn it.

[F]

We could have had 47.

[B]

Okay, wait.

[E]

We could have had some shit.

[B]

No, wait. Did that really happen?

[E]

Yes.

[F]

And he didn't get mad at Hermes

[E]

store, but shout out Hermes. I love you guys. No, but hold on, because I want to security process. Security process is a bit too much for me for this sale. But I do love you guys at Hermes.

[B]

So what did you do? I ain't talking about our man.

[E]

Oh, they ran. It was a lady there named Tanisha. Sister ran over so fast. She heard that. She said, we not like that. That's just him.

[F]

That was.

[E]

She knew I'm the mouth. What's your man? Jimmy. What was my man from wrestling The Mouth of the South, Jimmy Heart. She knew that. Got a podcast. He ran over. Sis, don't talk on the podcast, please. When I like this guy, don't go there. It's Tanisha. I said no, Tanisha. I'm gonna make sure you out the smoke. But this guy right here, you know, I seen a picture of him. Cause we took a picture of him the other day. I'm looking through my phone, the airplane, you know. Cause I look at my phone when

[F]

the lawsuit's still available.

[E]

Nah, I ain't fucking with that. You know what I'm saying? But yeah, I know about it.

[F]

I know it's just for lawsuits.

[E]

How about let me give you a nice one.

[B]

It is. But you, you said that you didn like it.

[F]

Oh, let her start.

[E]

Let her.

[F]

I don't like her assessment. Please.

[E]

I don't like it. Yeah, you tell me what you thought about that when he didn't respect.

[F]

That was the same thing, coach.

[B]

Oh, I let my feelings be known.

[E]

All right. But I want to know.

[B]

But it's a different. But you ain't answered my question yet.

[E]

Uh huh. I'm so horrible.

[B]

But you didn't like it. What did you not like about it?

[E]

You know what he made me feel like? He made me feel like, you know, we black and brown going to prison in line. I couldn't have just been a normal person who purchased the ticket. That's what he did to me. Then he doubled down on his shit enough where everybody and their mother ran over and was like, yo, I'm sorry about what? Holy shit. Like, I went on a plane, they opened the door back up.

[F]

I would have fired immediately. I would have said, I can't fly, Elizabeth. Uh huh. I would have took it to the max or all of that. I would have took. Took it there. You kidding?

[E]

Listen, I'm good with letting somebody, some coworker who see this show come up to the man and be like, you know the guy. Look, it's. The guy used, obviously one of the guys because he was probably like a Archie Bunker, he do that shit every day. Yeah. You know, when you got that in you, you got that in you. You know what I'm saying? So, you know, so what you thought about him not dapping up the coach?

[B]

Well, first of all, I think the whole story of she didn't shake my hand before the game, all that. But she did. She did. But here's my question.

[F]

She's mad he got his ass beat.

[B]

That is true. But here's my question. So what if she didn't shake your hand? It's a. It's a handshake. It's a handshake. If you don't want to shake my hand, I'm cool with it. I'mma beat your ass and we'll keep it moving. Yes, but you got. You said you got that worked up over a handshake when at the end of the day, it was all about you got beat. But the part that really bothers me, though, is as a black person, in particular a black woman, we're always expected to take the higher road. We're always expected to just be like, oh, well, it's okay. We'll sweep it under the rug.

[E]

Because if I had I went crazy at the airport, they would have made me the Animal on the 12 o' clock news. They would have been like, rapper going crazy in the airport. This. That. They would have did that to her.

[B]

Well, yeah, but my point is this. At some point, like, when do we say, like, enough is enough, though? It's just a question of conversation. Because I know dawn came out and, you know, she said, the season's over, it's time to turn the page. And I respect dawn for that. Like, I am ride or die. I'm always gonna hold it down for Dawn. But my thing is, like, I'm not ready to turn the page. I don't have to turn the page, but. Because that's what she does. I get all of that. I just. We're always making excuses for. Oh, well, Gino probably did this because somebody else's ignorance. Yeah. And I just. I thought it was so disrespectful. But in that moment, you took away one of the most special parts of a college athlete's career, and that's playing in the final Four and they had just beaten an undefeated team. Like, let those young ladies enjoy that moment and stop making it about you, because it wasn't about you. It was about. Dawn had a better game plan. Right. And she out coached you in that game. And I'm not gonna sit up here and say, geno's not a good coach. He's one of the best. Best that's ever coached our game. But that moment alone, to me, really put a stain on his coaching career.

[E]

Oh, no, for sure. Facts. It was very ugly. And sometimes you can't apologize enough. Sometimes you already. Damn, you're on it like that.

[B]

Well, and my thing is, I would just make sure that you not even apologize based off of. That, though. But based off of that initial apology that you put out there where you didn't even call her name and say, I apologize to Dawn. Like, if that's the apology that you're putting out there, I don't want that.

[E]

Yeah, you know, we've been through some shit, but let me tell you something. Them 51 points you scored in that game, man, you had them dizzy. That game, man. What game? I seen the game. I'm looking at the Sheryl Swoop's highlight. He's a game. You score 51, right? Am I correct or I'm.

[B]

Well, I don't know what game you're talking about.

[E]

How many? 51. What?

[B]

It was 53, though.

[F]

It was three.

[E]

53. And that's what I mean. You just shooting unconscious, bro, like that shit was crazy. I mean, to me, you know, to have a game like that. But, you know, this is what I was saying the other day. I don't want people to kill me. You want me on the podcast, you don't want me in the podcast. You want me to talk, not to talk. This Sheryl Swoopes with 53 is very, very understandable. Bam, Bam out the bio.

[B]

Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that, don't do that.

[F]

Yo, Bam. I'm sorry, Bam.

[E]

I don't think you did not know that, Davey Ford. Let me ask you a question, Cheryl. We being honest, right? The day before he scored 83, was it in your. What they call that board? Was it in there, what they call that? Was it in your bingo card that Bam, Bam out of bio, was gonna score 83 the next day?

[B]

No, but it wasn't on my bingo card that I was gonna score 53 either.

[E]

Yeah, but I knew you. But you can. And you're a superstar. Four time champion, Olympic. This, this, this, this, that. Bam, Bam, out the bio. Yeah, he earned it out the bio. Whoa. I said it the other day. People got upset with me because I'm like, it wasn't in my bingo card. Now the top five. Who's on that top Five list. Kobe, Willis, Reed, Kareem Abdul, Jabbar, This. These are all Squirrel swoops. These are names that you expect to score 53 and be on the top of the list.

[F]

Disappointed in you.

[E]

I got love for Bam.

[F]

You just said he's not capable of.

[E]

No, he did.

[F]

Being the second highest scorer in NBA,

[E]

let me tell you. And let me tell you what I did. Just to let you know, after I said that shit, I went back and watched that whole game again. I watched it originally, the last. The fourth quarter. I went back. He came. He was pulling. He came up. I think it's first shot.

[B]

Who were they playing? What game was that against? I forgot.

[E]

Who were they playing? You know, they might have had J. Cole on that team.

[F]

You agree?

[B]

I do, yeah.

[F]

I don't know what this guy's doing. He shot it under this.

[E]

83 is 83.

[B]

That's hard. That's hard to do.

[E]

What? This team can't score 83. I'm just saying maybe a little more defense or something, perhaps.

[B]

Well, that's not his fault.

[E]

No, it's not.

[B]

That's just like. I get upset when people talk about all of Angel Reese's offensive rebounds. Well, box her ass out.

[E]

I love it.

[B]

If you don't want her to rebound, box her out. Angel is doing exactly what she's supposed to do. I'm going to go rebound because I know y' all can't stop me.

[F]

Joeandjadashow.com we got new merch fresh off the press. Go get it. Big out of Bam. Growing. Jadishow.com you can get these little cold for T shirt. Where the hoodies at?

[E]

It's my favorite right there. I need an extra large [e-mail] Go there. Get it.

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[G]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections. And it's like, okay, yo, yo, yo. Is this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like, no. At this point, it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply, emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great because it served the story. People will say like, oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah dude, me too.

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[E]

it's Angel. Aja is Angel.

[B]

What?

[E]

Aja.

[B]

Oh, no. Asia.

[F]

Asia.

[E]

That's her boyfriend. Nobody listen.

[B]

Nobody. Nobody in the league is Asia.

[F]

Asia is Asian.

[B]

Asia is Asia. Asia is her. She's a prop for real.

[E]

Cheryl Swoops, what's up? Top five WNBA players of all time.

[B]

Top five WNBA players.

[F]

Because you on the. You over there. So you ain't.

[B]

Am I putting myself in or no?

[F]

No.

[B]

Okay. I'm not putting myself in.

[F]

You already on the man.

[E]

We don't do that. We top five.

[B]

I'm putting myself in or no.

[E]

You already. You already pull yourself. She want to put herself in.

[B]

Okay. Lisa Leslie, Cynthia Cooper. Diana Taurasi, Tina Thompson.

[F]

One more.

[B]

I know I hear somebody saying Maya. I love Maya. I'll tell you why I'm not putting her there.

[F]

Oh, we love the 1800s.

[E]

Well, top five.

[B]

Lauren Jackson.

[E]

Lauren Jackson.

[B]

You don't even know who that is.

[E]

I'm not familiar with. Let me tell you something. When I was going to the wnb. I've been going to the WNBA since day one. I was the only guy in the audience. They looking at me like I'm crazy.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Don't say out.

[E]

Stop. You can throw the flag. You ain't got a hippie in the face.

[B]

I did not hit you in the face.

[F]

Find the footage. When he was the only person at the wnba.

[E]

I'm telling you, there was a time when I was going to the WNBA where men were scarce in there. That sounds very scary.

[B]

That's different.

[E]

Yo, thank you for supporting our sport. It was so. It wasn't like it. No, no. But back then it was.

[B]

They do. Yes, they do.

[E]

Back then was with his phone.

[F]

Sue Bird.

[E]

What's my girl? Becky Hammond. They was all get busy out there. Like, I've been a WNBA fan. I dare you.

[F]

You don't got one of these. Google the pics. You got hoodie.

[E]

When did it start? When you were the first WNBA.

[B]

97.

[E]

Go find a picture of me in 97 in the fucking WNBHC of our fucking life. You take all your flags back?

[B]

No, no, but you. You said you were the only man.

[F]

This why we win in the court of law. What did he say?

[B]

That he was the only man of the NBA game. I rest my case, you, Honor.

[E]

Object, object. I'm talking in theory, context.

[B]

Who was your favorite Liberty player?

[E]

I used to love Witherspoon. I love Witherspoon. I loved. Well, now I love Sabrina.

[F]

I love Sabrina. I love John Quell. I love the other,

[B]

but. Cause you said back in the day you were the only man, so I'm

[E]

just asking one of them.

[B]

I got spoon.

[F]

Get him. Get him, mama.

[E]

What's the name? Becky Hammond. A couple of them. Like, I used to love her.

[F]

Hammond was on the limit.

[E]

Yeah. That's when she.

[F]

Early, though, right? Earlier, before coaching.

[E]

Way before we take time. But I would agree with two of your top five. See, if I made my list, you'd be in it. But it's Lisa.

[B]

You told me I couldn't put myself.

[F]

Lisa Leslie was different in your own list, but you can be Lisa Leslie.

[E]

Was she the first woman to dunk?

[F]

Mm, she was different, definitely.

[E]

Lisa Leslie was different.

[F]

She's definitely in the Rushmore for me.

[B]

She's on mine, too.

[E]

Huh?

[F]

She's in Rushmore?

[B]

No, she's on Mount Rushmore.

[E]

She's on your Mount Rushmore? Yeah. She's undershirt. What was it like when you seen her dunk for the first time? Did you see it, like, in practice or you saw live you watching a game, espn. And you seen the dunk? What the hell?

[B]

Well, I seen her dunk before, like the Olympic team, like, in practice and stuff.

[E]

So you all knew she could dunk,

[B]

but for me, it was like, it's a matter of time before she does it in the game. Yeah, like, Lisa. Lisa is really, really like that. You know when you talk about, like, the WNBA today and the growth of the game, no doubt about it, like, the talent level is there today. But the thing that bothers me is when people tend to forget, like, there have been players that have come through this league, like Alisa Leslie. That was the first to do it. But, you know, I'm saying no. The sponsorships, the brand deals, the opportunities, like, all the eyes. Like, it Wasn't like it is today. But I will say we sold arenas

[E]

out all the time.

[F]

Facts.

[E]

But let me explain something to you, right? When they gave Magic Johnson a million dollars, they put him on the COVID of Time. Now you got a bum making 239 million that he don't even play.

[B]

Fact.

[E]

There's guys that don't even play, they make 200 something million. And it's crazy. You can't even compare. I had a hit. Number one in the country. Floja. I was getting 500 a show. I was doing three shows on Friday. I was hustling my ass off to make 1500. What are you talking about, brother? Is that 1800 touched the cerebellum in a different way.

[B]

The touch is what

[E]

you know. I'm fried. Cheryl, if nobody is your publicist here, they didn't warn you that I'm fried. I'm fried, huh? Don't mind me.

[F]

How you feel about. How you feel about the. The new expansion teams coming to the door?

[B]

Oh, I love it. Love it.

[E]

Well, so put that AC back on. Put that AC back on. Cause every time you either you put it on, it's the back of my neck. You turk it off. She's sweating bullets. Put the AC back on. I'm gonna be a gentleman about this.

[B]

Cause I was a lady when I seen no.

[E]

Cause that chick was cold as fuck. One second.

[B]

It felt good to me, though.

[E]

That's all right. Coming back maybe that 18 make it up.

[B]

Well, you know, so this season we'll have Terono, Toronto and Portland, which I'm happy about as far as hell.

[E]

Portland.

[B]

And then we have T. What year do we get? Philly, Detroit and Cleveland? 29 and 30. So those three.

[F]

Wow.

[B]

And T, who do we get next year?

[F]

Houston next year, baby.

[B]

Saying that because Houston comes at the expense of my Connecticut son, which is the team that I work for.

[F]

Oh, Sons is over Commons come.

[B]

Yeah. I ain't saying why.

[E]

So they moving to Houston.

[F]

Take the plays from the state.

[E]

Connecticut ain't. Yeah, Connecticut, you know, that's like the Brooklyn Giants went over there.

[B]

Yeah, I do too. Cheers.

[E]

Yeah, but they talking about the change going to come. They talking about the fluidity. If Joe Lowstein could sell out that stadium every weekend, you guys got a good chance over there with the comments. Connecticut, they ain't got that type of fluidity.

[F]

Oh, my God. They lose money at the casino. They didn't finish.

[B]

Did you say if Joel Osteen could sell out the church?

[E]

Joel Osteen sells out every weekend in Houston. A stadium every weekend, and his wife. I was just in Houston, and I wanted to. I swear to God, I almost stood an extra day to go to Joel Osteen. Joel Osteen, my favorite man.

[B]

Your favorite? Your favorite what?

[F]

Favorite what?

[E]

Favorite Pastor Joel.

[F]

Called him out of revving, bowling, everything.

[E]

You know how much trouble Joel Osteen got me out of? You know how many times the guy was going to the parking spot? The guy cut me off, like. And I'm. And I'm like, joel says to chill, baby. God got you. God got a better spot for you. I fucking love Joel Osteen. If you look at Joel Osteen's Instagram, I like every picture. I love Joel. You can't.

[B]

I cannot.

[E]

I'm telling you, one

[F]

every. I ever experienced. I'm sorry for this.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[F]

Jake Creflo, Mace, everybody. You got sub nerve.

[B]

Yeah. Wait a minute. Did you put Creflo in it?

[F]

Oh, everybody did.

[E]

Yo, y' all gotta watch that movie. Honk if youf See Jesus.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[E]

When you see that movie, come back and talk to me.

[F]

No, I want to ask a serious question. Did your brothers make you tougher? Did they prepare you for real brothers?

[E]

We got you.

[F]

They helped. They help you get ready to be, you know.

[B]

No doubt.

[F]

No crying in basketball. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. My. Yeah. Like, I didn't like my brothers. I love them.

[F]

I mean, but I didn't.

[B]

Yeah, I didn't like them. Every time they left to go play ball, I was, like, right behind them because my mom didn't want me to play. She was like, oh, that's for boys, and you're gonna get hurt. And I was like, mama, I gotta go. So my brothers would always say to me, don't you dare cry if you get hurt. If you fall, you better not cry.

[E]

And I was like, that was words of wisdom.

[B]

But I was like, why can't I cry if I get hurt? And they were like, because we'll get in trouble if you cry and Mama finds out. We're gonna get in trouble. But where I grew up, there were never a lot of girls that wanted to play basketball. So I grew up in Brownfield, Texas, West Texas. We had a place we called Tiger Bowl. So it was across the tracks. Every Sunday after church, we would walk home, change clothes, and we would walk back, cross the tracks to go play in the Tiger Bowl. It was just an outside court, no nets, and I was the only girl that was playing, so it was my brothers. And then just a lot of. Just a Lot of dudes that played, and that's where I learned how to play basketball. Like, the toughness that I got was from playing with all of those dudes. And, you know, I always tell people when I watch basketball, even today, I think the women's game, like, fundamentally, I think we're better because we really spend the time working on our craft, like the ball handling and the shooting, and that's why we have really good shooters. But it's just natural that men are gonna be tougher, stronger, they're gonna jump higher, they're gonna be quicker. And so when I played against the guys, those were things that I really worked on. Like. And honestly, I think that's why I was a really good defender, because I always went and played against the guys because I knew they were going to jump higher than me. So I had to be able to stay in front of them. I knew they were quicker. I had to be able to box them out. That's where I really think I became the player that I was.

[E]

You know what's crazy is, the last game I played, 1770,

[B]

They didn't let you. Wait, no, no, no, no, no. Wait a minute.

[F]

No, because I'm about to.

[E]

Can I explain? Can I.

[B]

Yes, please do. Let him explain. Yeah, come on, explain. Come on, Joe, explain.

[F]

Hey, Levy. Scorcher.

[E]

You might.

[F]

That just hurt me.

[E]

Go ahead, take your shot.

[F]

Go ahead.

[E]

What I'm trying to explain is, okay, this one thing you play in the game, you shoot. You score when I tell you. Every time I try to shoot, all five guys, all sides of the court jump so high in the air, they reflect, refused to let me. They were swinging at that like, yo. Like, they did not want me to get a basket. They were in that air, like, I remember, was flying up to the circle. It was like, yo, we're not gonna let Fat Joe score.

[B]

Why?

[E]

He's like, I don't know. Maybe because I'm a rapper or something. But I'm trying to tell you, I remember shooting.

[F]

I need you to come.

[E]

And all five players just jumping up

[F]

in the air like, listen, come out of retirement and coach. And I need them before while my knees still got fluidity. I need to get in the celebrity All Star Game. NBA. I could still let that.

[B]

Let's go. Yeah, let's go.

[F]

They told me I had to do something with Lethal Shooter. I had to go. I had to do charity. And I did everything they told me to do. I paid my tithes to the church.

[B]

And you still haven't been in.

[F]

Hopefully this Year they call me.

[E]

Let's go.

[F]

I only got another. It's only about 18 months.

[B]

I'll be courtside for that one. Yeah, Joe, you played in the Celebrity All Star Game.

[E]

I coached him one every time by 40. You don't know. I'm a legendary coach.

[B]

Wait a minute. Wait. You coached and won by 40 every time reached basketball.

[E]

I am the number one winningest coach at the Rucker in the history of mankind. I won seven chances.

[F]

Hard Rock bet.

[E]

Hard Rock bet in the NBA. In the NBA. They let me coach two celebrity basketball games, and I won by 40 points both times. They don't want me to coach. I was in jail and I coached the team. They were the bad news.

[F]

Bad.

[E]

They were dribbling like this. And I went and almost won the chip. They sent me home like this. The motherfucker couldn't even dribble. I felt bad for the mother motherfucker working the kitchen with me. Every Saturday, I walked out there,

[F]

oh,

[E]

my God, let me tell you something.

[B]

And you let him dribble.

[E]

I got friends that go to jail for a living.

[F]

And they gave me, like, Hard Rock back.

[E]

They gave me, like, the 10 jail commandments. And one of them was like, don't argue about basketball. Don't get into basketball. Don't play basketball. Because that's where the fights happen. Somebody fire you, you fight. You argue over the Knicks.

[B]

You.

[E]

This, this, this. I had a pamphlet. I couldn't take it. Every Saturday morning, I walked out there, them guys was getting beat by 10,000. They were dribbling like this. So I went out there and I

[F]

said, you stand here.

[E]

You stand there. You, here. You cut. When the guy did, they wind up winning. They start winning every game. Now the nice guys join our team. They thought it was like a rocker in that motherfucker. We start winning every game. I didn't. I got to the chip, but they let me home. Thank God, a week before the chip. I don't lose.

[F]

Just don't let me stay.

[B]

Listen, that's all.

[E]

And I.

[B]

Because that's all.

[E]

Just last week, I coached the game. Just last week, I coached the game.

[B]

That's all. Coaching.

[E]

What? Yeah, coaching.

[B]

I know.

[E]

Just last week I coached again. They had, like, a Jordan. Puerto Rican. They got a young Puerto Rican rapper. He's threatening me. We beat that ass by 40.

[A]

Hey, everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of Irsay The Audible and iHeart Audio Audiobook Club. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook project Hail Mary Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science and what happens when you wake up alone very far from Earth.

[G]

I really had to make a decision because I caught myself getting that frog in my throat and starting to get teary as I'm narrating some of these sections and it's like okay, yo yo yo. Was this indulgent? And I really thought about it. I was like no. At this point it would kind of be betraying the trust the author and the listener have in telling this story if I don't go through it. But there's places in this book that that deeply emotionally affected me and I left it on the mic. That's great cuz it served the story. People will say like oh my God, I cried at the end. It's like, yeah dude, me too.

[A]

Listen to Irsay the Audible and iHeart audiobook club on the iHeartradio app or wherever you get your podcasts.

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I

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don't play that Hard rock bet.

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All right, what happened? He wants to hard rock back to

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the motherfucker back in point draft 7

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now

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early predictions who you think gonna win this year? Just ballpark.

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Well, I mean the Aces are the defending champions so you can't ever go against them. I really. If New York can stay healthy. I like New York, but I'm gonna tell you a team and I said this last year but they had so many injuries. Indiana fever. They. They got the pieces okay and they did really good in the draft.

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Okay. No, no, no, no. I'm with you. Don't mind me. Don't mind me. This is menopause. This is the reverse menopause. This cold as up in this motherfucker

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stay healthy one whole season she got a Shot at him at MVP is that means.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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So Caitlyn Clark won't have a shot at mvp.

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What it means. No, I didn't say it like that because here's what it means to me. She gotta go and take it from Asia Wilson.

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Asia's the take, okay, Cuz Asia is the real deal.

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And Asia ain't just gonna let it go like that.

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But I would say the light skinned

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girl, a feast is hurt.

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She's hurt.

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She'll be back, but I don't know how healthy she'll be. Fee's really good. But my. I would say Asia for sure is the top for me. I absolutely think if Caitlin can stay healthy, I think Caitlyn has a really good shot. I don't know. I don't know what's going on with Stewie.

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I was just about to say.

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So I'm not. What's going on with Stewie?

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Stewie's good, man, real fucking good. She come from over there, Connecticut. Well, she played college in Connecticut.

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Yeah, yeah. UConn.

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I come from upstate New York.

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No, Stewie's really good. No, she dead nice. And I'mma say something right here. Caitlin Clark is dead nice.

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She gotta be healthy.

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Yo, yo, understand her best ability's ability.

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Say it again.

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Her best ability is availability. No doubt with the fluidity to have the nuidity.

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Here's why I think Indiana has a really good shot to win a championship. Because you re signed Kelsey Mitchell, which to me was perfect. Kelsey Mitchell is the troop. She is. You got Aaliyah, Boston, you got Kaitlyn, if she can stay healthy. Lexi Hall I think is a key part of what they do defensively.

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She's like they.

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I absolutely loved their draft pick, Raven Johnson. Ravenson because I think, I think Raven's a true point guard.

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Facts.

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And to me, one of the best parts of Caitlin's game is her passing ability. But I think when she's playing off the ball, she's more effective is when she is really good at scoring. And Raven Johnson running the point can move Caitlin off the ball and. Cause when Caitlin has the ball in her hands, everybody just kind of stands around and they're like, let's see what she's going to do when she's playing off the ball and you have a true point guard like Raven, there's going to be a lot of movement. You got to guard Caitlin, Kelsey, Aaliyah, whoever that fourth player is going to be. Yeah, I like the pieces that they got. They will absolutely make some noise.

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I'm going where I always go with the liberty. And that's a hard rock bet. My liberty, it get busy. We picked up my liberty.

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What can they say?

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That my liberty. And that's a hard rock bet. Yo, listen, My liberty, that's a hard rock. That's the top five, dead or alive. My liberty is dead. Nice. We picked up great pickup this year, Abu. She gets busy, man.

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I like her. She's the better sister.

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And we beat Asia. We beat Asia two, three years ago.

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Well, Asia beat y'.

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All. Yeah, but I just want you to know, it ain't like she's four chips in a row.

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She's beatable.

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She's beatable. I'm just trying to tell you, my liberty, they don't play that shit, you know what I'm saying? Then we got the best mascot in the whole fucking league.

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Yeah, Ellie. Ellie ain't no joke.

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Ellie get busy, huh?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Ellie, do you know who Ellie is inside the con?

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Don't be telling nobody.

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I don't wanna know.

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Do you know? I'm just asking. Do you know? I don't know. Do you know?

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I don't. I know.

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I like it. I like it. I like.

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Legendary.

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Listen, Ellie's a rap again.

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You said you don't want to know. Don't be telling.

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Don't be telling nobody.

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Gangster rapper.

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She's the best. I know. I know.

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You don't know.

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I know. Nah, nah, nah. I'mma the whole up. It's not good, but I know who Ellie is.

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Don't tell it.

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Don't tell it. I know who Ellie is, but Ellie's the best mascot in the motherfucker, hands down.

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Hands down.

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Cheryl, what's the name of your podcast?

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Levels to this.

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Levels to this, Levels to this. Love that name.

[B]

And it's just Tariqa and I just talking about all the different levels out there that women go through

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next to Julie. Set it up. Julie. He full of Julie. We're going on their podcast, scheduling it.

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He full of shit. So just know.

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Set it up. Tariqa, I'm giving you our word.

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Yeah, yeah, I like that.

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Our word.

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I like that. Yes.

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Let me ask you a question. NBA.

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Yeah.

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What are your predictions? Out, the east, south, the west? Ooh, Hard rock. That kid is on his Hard rock. Hard rock.

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What'd you say? I haven't been watching the NBA.

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Oh, I'll take that. I take that also. Look at his face.

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I'm just like, no disrespect to anybody.

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I thought you was just addicted to basketball. Like.

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No, I love basketball.

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Well, you watching now that you retired, are you watching Jeopardy?

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Paradise.

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Paradise.

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The Shack. Paradise.

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I didn't understand Beauty and Black. Have you seen the Imperfect Woman yet? With Kerry Washington? Gotcha. I got you. I'm gonna love that shit.

[B]

I don't think I've seen that one.

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I'm telling you. Imperfect Woman on Apple TV with Kerry Washington.

[B]

Okay. That's all I'm looking at.

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Watch that shit.

[B]

I'm watching that.

[E]

You know how the love stories go? You kill a husband, the husband kill the wife. Everybody going after the will. The same shit. I'm tired of Lifetime channel.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

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How about I could do this blind. They could throw on a show in Lifetime. I could pause it and be like, all right, the husband killed the wife, or the wife killed the husband. Somebody's going after the money.

[B]

Yeah, Lifetime. Yeah. That's all Lifetime is.

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I don't know. I didn't watch that shit all day.

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You know, I love it on Sunday.

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Put out some stats. You know, Breakfast Club. It's the Loop Breakfast Club. They were number one. We were number. They got like.

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I don't know the numbers. Okay, I'm gonna tell you, all right.

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In Netflix standings right now, the Breakfast Club was number one. Number two was Bridgington. You know, that's the number one show in the world. They got the actors. Number three was How I Kill My Husband. This shit is on that Lifetime. This is three podcasts. Number four was Peter Davidson. Number five was Joe and Jada.

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Yeah.

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Not bad for the rookies of the year.

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Yeah. Let's go.

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Top five, dead or alive. Yeah.

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Top five. Cheers.

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I want to be number one.

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I'm toasting to y' all being top five.

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We number one everywhere else. Hold up. I got it. Y' all trying to get me twisty. I got my last little bit. White. 1800, girl.

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1800.

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This ain't that.

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That ain't this.

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Cracking kiss.

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Make some noise for Cheryl.

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Sl. Candace. That's up.

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