Stephen A. Smith DEBATES LeBron's NBA future, Trump & Mamdani, ESPN contract

Summary

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Joe and Jada Podcast

Episode: Stephen A. Smith DEBATES LeBron's NBA future, Trump & Mamdani, ESPN contract
Date: November 25, 2025
Hosts: Fat Joe & Jadakiss
Featured Guest: Stephen A. Smith (ESPN/First Take)

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EPISODE OVERVIEW

In this lively episode, hip-hop icons Fat Joe and Jadakiss sit down with sports journalism powerhouse Stephen A. Smith. The trio dives deep into heated debates about LeBron James' NBA trajectory, the Knicks' postseason hopes, New York politics, CTE in sports, Chetrit Mamdani's socialist mayoral run, the Trump-Biden dynamic, Smith’s own record ESPN contract, and—true to form—share stories packed with personality and urban authenticity. The show blends layered sports analysis, cultural commentary, and hilarious New York storytelling.

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KEY DISCUSSION POINTS

1. Intro & Stephen A. Smith’s Bronx Roots

• (03:44-08:35)

  • Light-hearted banter about Stephen A.'s upbringing; clarifies he was born in the Bronx ("Whole Avenue") before moving to Hollis, Queens.
  • Vintage NYC name drops (Luther Vandross, Webster Ave, etc.), setting an authentic tone.

  “Born in the Bronx. Whole Avenue.” – Stephen A. Smith [06:29]

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2. Dak Prescott, CTE, and Mental Health in Sports

• (08:41-15:09)
  • Dak Prescott Debate: Joe refuses to apologize for calling Dak a "bum," Stephen A. pushes back: “He’s not a bum…Draymond know better…A cat that don’t step up in the moment, but that’s still not a bum.” [09:26]
  • Discusses the impact of poor team defense and the limitations of blaming quarterbacks individually.
  • NFL Mental Health: Touches on Dallas player Nealan’s suicide and links to CTE (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy).
  • Antonio Brown’s Downfall: Stephen A. references the infamous Vontaze Burfict hit: “Since that hit, he ain't been the same.” [12:44]

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3. New York Knicks: From Tibbs to Finals Dreams

• (15:40-22:22)
  • Knicks Assessment: Stephen A. critical of the Knicks’ defensive slide after replacing Tom Thibodeau: “Defensively, they’re not the same...Trying to figure out a rhythm under Mike Brown.”
  • Issues with minutes distribution: “Tibbs is playing them till they die. I feel like Mike Brown ain't playing them enough.” – Joe [18:41]
  • Urgency for the Knicks to reach Finals: “This is it. You gotta get to the Finals, okay? If you don’t… it ain’t gonna be easier in years to follow.” – Stephen A. [19:05]
  • Knicks trade capital vs. going after Giannis: “I’d give the damn team away...Giannis in New York—yes, in a heartbeat.” – Stephen A. [20:21]

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4. NBA Star Power – Wembanyama, Luka, LeBron

• (22:26-39:47)
  • Wembanyama’s Ascendance: Raves about Wemby’s impact: “I saw this brother step on the court—I said oh shit, 7’5 with a handle and a fallaway J!” – Stephen A. [23:19]
  • Makes NFL/NBA cross-sport analogy: “He reminds me of Prime Deion Sanders! ...Wemby stands with his hands down half the time because he wants you to shoot so he can snatch this shit out the air.” [24:27]
  • Predicts Defensive Player of the Year and possible MVP for Wembanyama.
  • Tito on Houston, Dallas, and league parity.
  • LeBron James’ Future (Big Debate):
    • Joe floats LeBron being on the trading block or coming off the bench.
    • Stephen A. calls that “ignorant,” re-emphasizes LeBron’s value: “LeBron has shown he can figure out what he needs to do where he doesn’t hurt the team. The problem now is Austin Reaves is coming... Are you gonna fuck it up or figure out how you mesh in?” [38:06]
    • Explains the Lakers’ challenge of balancing aging star power with up-and-coming talents.

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5. NFL & MLB Hot Takes

• (43:12-50:14)

  • NFL: Seattle’s defensive prowess; quarterback questions; Joe admits to being an NFL “bandwagon” and roots for Kansas City/ Mahomes.
  • MLB: Shohei Ohtani praised (“out of this world”); Smith calls Barry Bonds the best hitter ever, but Ohtani the greatest “complete player” since Babe Ruth.

  “Shohei Ohtani is the greatest since Babe Ruth…But Barry Bonds is the best hitter I’ve ever seen.” – Stephen A. [48:37]

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6. Stephen A. Smith’s ESPN Contract & Professional Growth

• (53:38-58:57)
  • Pulls back the curtain on his $20 million contract, revealing it was negotiated not for salary, but for freedom:
    • “The issue for me in the fight all of those months was my rights, my freedom...I didn't have that freedom with how much love I was getting, but I didn't have that kind of latitude, that leverage.” [54:47]
  • Compares path of hip-hop icons/athletes vs. traditional media employees.
  • Explains new ventures (political show, SiriusXM) and profit-sharing.
  • Joe playfully suggests Stephen A. for president (“I see it all day…Steve, I'm with you.”) [58:42]

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7. Politics: Mamdani, Trump, the Tax & “Free” Debate

• (59:57-81:02)
  • Electoral System Critique: Smith distances himself from traditional parties; wants to debate politicians: “I would never...Every single day, I’d be hunkered down just to make sure I knew the issues. And when I show up on stage… eat everybody alive.” [59:59]
  • Dissects Chetrit Mamdani’s socialist policy proposals:
    • Warns of “collateral damage” and economic impracticality: “Nothing’s free in this world...It's fool's gold to think that you can just simply choose to tax people who are making money all the damn time and continue to raise taxes.”
    • Predicts GOP will weaponize Mamdani against Dems.
  • Trump-Biden Back-and-Forth:
    • Joe reflects on immigrant communities’ perceptions of Trump, PPP, and broken promises.
    • Smith blunt about Trump’s vendetta if reelected: “He’s coming…you tried to throw him behind bars. He coming.” [78:32]
    • Warns about Pandora’s box of political vengeance: “If you open that...there’s a Democrat that might gain office…that can have that power because you set that precedent.” [81:02]

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8. Faith, Pastors, and Urban Nostalgia

• (67:07-69:32)
  • Joe and Stephen A. swap stories about pastors, giving, and the desire for “the free word.”
  • “I want to hear the word. The only other pastor I ever loved was Martin. Because Martin’s my favorite sitcom.” – Stephen A. [68:59]
  • Bonding over love for Martin sitcom, classic New York living, and Fat Joe’s story of helping Phil Rizzuto in Harlem.

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9. Closing Stories: Yankees and Knicks Allegiances

• (84:33-89:54)
  • Stephen A. jabs at Joe for not being as “synonymous” with the Yankees as with the Knicks, blaming him (jokingly) for a Yankees loss due to a performance mix-up:

    “I blame you for the Yankees losing to the Dodgers last year. You full of shit, Steve.” – Joe [84:47]

  • Mutual respect, humor, and the enduring New York rivalry spirit round out the show.

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NOTABLE QUOTES

(With Timestamps)

• “He’s not a bum...But that’s still not a bum.” – Stephen A. Smith [09:26]
• “This is it. You gotta get to the Finals, okay? If you don’t get to the Finals, it ain’t gonna be easier in the years to follow.” – Stephen A. Smith [19:05]
• “I’d give the damn team away... Giannis in New York—yes, in a heartbeat.” – Stephen A. Smith [20:21]
• “Wemby stands with his hands down half the time because he wants you to shoot so he can snatch this shit out the air.” – Stephen A. Smith [24:27]
• “He’s not going to get nobody’s name right the whole show.” – Stephen A. Smith teasing Joe [23:06]
• “LeBron has shown he can figure out what he needs to do where he doesn’t hurt the team.” – Stephen A. Smith [38:06]
• “The issue for me in the fight all of those months was my rights, my freedom.” – Stephen A. Smith [54:47]
• “Nothing’s free in this world...It's fool's gold to think you can just simply choose to tax people who are making money all the damn time.” – Stephen A. Smith [71:57]
• “He coming…you tried to throw him behind bars. He coming.” – Stephen A. Smith [78:32]

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TIMESTAMPS FOR IMPORTANT SEGMENTS

• Stephen A.’s Bronx Roots: 03:44–08:35
• Dak/CTE/Mental Health: 08:41–15:09
• Knicks’ New Era: 15:40–22:22
• Wembanyama & NBA Future: 22:26–25:48
• LeBron’s Fate Debate: 34:23–39:47
• Smith’s ESPN Contract Reveal: 53:38–58:57
• Presidential Aspirations & Political Rant: 59:57–62:45
• Mamdani, Taxes & Free Debate: 69:57–73:24
• Trump, Biden, and Political Payback: 75:31–81:02
• Yankees vs. Knicks Home Turf: 84:33–89:54

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TONE & STYLE

The show is conversational and combative with the old-school flavor of uptown New York. The trio combines “barbershop” sports talk, real-life storytelling, raw honesty, and shaded humor, with Stephen A. riffing as both professor and provocateur. Banter, trash talk, and classic hip-hop brotherhood define the vibe.

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CONCLUSION

This episode is an essential slice of modern urban culture, with spirited debates about basketball legacies, the economics of celebrity, and the future of American politics. Stephen A. Smith flexes as both insider and iconoclast, giving listeners sharp sports takes, inspiring words on self-empowerment, and the kind of transparency about deals, leverage, and legacy rarely shared at this level. Fans of both hip-hop and sports media get an authentic, high-energy download.

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Transcript

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[Stephen A. Smith]

I got a confession to make right in front of your face. Cause you my man. I love you to death. So I gotta tell you, I can't say this behind your back and not say it in front of your face. I blame you for the Yankees losing to the Dodgers last year. You full of shit, Steve.

[Joe]

You full of.

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[Joe]

Yo, what up? It's Joe. Crack the dawn in this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's your boy Jada.

[Jada]

You know what it is? The Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. We never let you down.

[Stephen A. Smith]

When you think of today's guest, sheesh. You think of media guru. You think of journalism phenom. You think of just sports knowledge, history, the ability to hold a dialogue with the best of them in the world.

[Joe]

Maybe a presidential candidate, maybe one of those also in the near future.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Without no further ado, ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for Stephen H. Barrel. Like this. I like. Let me tell y' all something, man.

[Joe]

When they. When my.

[Stephen A. Smith]

When my peeps called me and they was like, Steven, you. The guys in Cali, they was like. And I was gonna stay there for a couple days.

[Joe]

Whatever.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Whatever, man. They were like, Stephen, Jada and fat jokes. What? Oh, I said, we'll be back.

[Joe]

Oh, no, I'll be back.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I ain't missing that. I love y', all, man. I love this show. I couldn't wait. This invite I've been waiting for. And I'm a busy man, but I was waiting.

[Joe]

I was letting it marinate. Cause, you know, we almost got each other in the back pocket. I was just like, let me marinate it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe]

50 episodes. And then bring out the big dog. Because, you know, this guy we can't waste. You know, sometimes you got to build up that audience for when you place the big. You wanted a big dog. One of them. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. The trifecta. Let me tell you something. It's you, mj.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I ain't gonna know the big dog. I ain't gonna never say that about myself, but thank you.

[Joe]

No, I'm gonna tell you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'll take it.

[Joe]

No, I'm telling you the truth.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know that, man.

[Joe]

20 million a year. God damn it. What the. From Queens.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hollis.

[Jada]

Born in the Bronx.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, true. You didn't know that. You don't even get a flag.

[Joe]

I threw a flag on myself. Born in the Bronx. I always thought you was from Queens.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Born in the Bronx. Whole Avenue.

[Joe]

Ho Avenue.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yep.

[Joe]

That's five minutes from me. I know once you know who was born in Whole Avenue.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Where?

[Joe]

Luke the Vandross.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, I didn't know that. How about. I never knew that, bro.

[Joe]

How about that?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I never knew that.

[Joe]

Loot the van, fellas. My favorite singer in the world.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Check. Fact check that James was born and.

[Joe]

Raised in the Bronx.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Luther was born somewhere else.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah. I'm telling you, I cleared this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

If Joe say it, I'm gonna believe that.

[Joe]

Listen.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He tell me somebody was born Pepsi. He like knowing like that.

[Joe]

High blood pressure already, man. Give me my Diet Pepsi over there. Two time felon, man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He grew up.

[Joe]

Let me tell you something. I sampled new Devanges. When I went to clear it, his family to state cleared it. And they said, we grew up five minutes from your whole avenue. So where did he grow up?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Born there and then he moved.

[Joe]

All right, I'm thinking he's born there.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't know.

[Joe]

Bellevue, yo. Where he grew up at? Remember that video, Ben and Ben? Ben and Ben. There's on the roller skates. And.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't think. Did you think about Lutheran? You think about roller skates, though?

[Joe]

No. His biggest son. I got you remember the video that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Had people roller skates.

[Joe]

Spend time or grew up his whole life. There you go. That's it. That's where I thought he was at. I said, yo, he attended. That's a terrible.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Joe will stop producing. There's one thing I know about Joe Motherfuckers, stop production and make sure he right. He will do that. He will do that.

[Joe]

Let me tell you, Luther Vandross, while you grew up in Whole Avenue.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, I was only there for once. I was year one, I moved to Hollis.

[Joe]

I'm trying to say is that Whole Avenue Newtons was from Whole Avenue. Yeah. Told to me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

A lot of my relatives was on Webster Avenue. All of that.

[Joe]

I know Third Avenue. I know Cats new you. You know what I'm saying? What they want out there?

[Stephen A. Smith]

My cousins, Boise, Sandra, all of them looked over. Yeah.

[Joe]

Yo, but listen, we got Stephen A. Smith in the motherfucking building. You the sports analyst.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

First we gonna ask about Cuz today we was contemplating.

[Jada]

He apologized to Dak.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Me, Him?

[Joe]

Oh, hell no. I'm not apologizing to Dak. Dak was a bum. No, man, Rich Blay is a Dallas fan. I've been telling them they're not going to ever come close to a chip with Dak Prescott. Yes, this year, first time ever, he played better than ever, but he didn't win a game. I can't submit to a guy who didn't win a game. I just won.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It ain't on him, though.

[Joe]

The defense is horrible, yo. The defense is horrible.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Defense is horrible.

[Joe]

But you know, your man Draymond Green apologized to Dak. So they trying to make it like.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, he should have though. He should have though, because you called him a bum and that was going too far. He's not a bum. And Draymond know better. Cause he's a four time champion, you know. But then Draymond clarified, which is why I defended him. Because he said, yo, when I say a bum, I'm not talking about the brother can't play. I'm talking about a cat that don't step up in the moment, but that's still not a bum.

[Joe]

So you take. If you are owner of a team, you'll take Dak Prescott as your quarterback. Even with a right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It depends on what options I have. I ain't taking them if I can get Patrick Mahomes. I ain't taking them if I could get Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson. I'm not doing that. You understand? I'm not taking them if I get Jalen Hurts. I'm not taking them if I get.

[Joe]

Matthew Stafford, your man down in the box.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But you know what I'm saying, I'm not. It ain't by 18. No, no, no. It's 32.

[Joe]

He says seven quarterbacks.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It ain't but eight, I think he's top 10 or 11 out of 32.

[Joe]

I think he's like. He could sell the product.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I think he's top.

[Joe]

I think that's all they got him there. He's a fly dude. He's selling pillows. He's selling all types. He can play, yo. That's all I ever thought of. Dak Pres.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You should, because he's a cowboy. And we all know how disgusting the nauseating the Cowboy fan base is. No disrespect, Rick, you know that I'm a Cowboys fan.

[Joe]

But the point is, I'm a Cowboys fan by domestic violence. They lose. I got a fucked up week. I can't wait till Sunday come. I actually prayed for Dak Prescott. Prescott loses.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He's grump.

[Joe]

I'm f. He's good with me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He's good with me.

[Joe]

He wanna fuck me up.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's cause you don't want him. See, I warn him ahead of time. It's not gonna be a good week. So when I see him, he know.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

Gary was already prepared. You don't prepare. You get his hopes up and then you fuck him up.

[Joe]

Rest in peace to the brother who just killed himself on Dallas.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, Nealan, right? Yes. Rest in peace.

[Joe]

He shot himself in the heart. You know, depression. I've been through depression. I never thought about killing myself. But I went through the real depression I lost on my sister, my grandfather, same week. I didn't know how to shake that shit for two years. So I know depression is crazy, but I think he shot himself dead so that they can examine his brain probably. What's my man say?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Can you say that, Junior say, say.

[Joe]

Out, Junior say they did Aaron Hernandez, you know this guy who shot up the building, said he ought to see.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Firstly speaking, I think Antonio Brown, that's what he's going through like. Like he just got arrested in Dubai and extradited.

[Joe]

If they check you in alive, way to find cte.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Not until you pass away. And then they can examine the brain properly. But I think that if you go back and I remember one time Antonio Brown got a bit buck wild. He was like. He was unlike himself or whatever. And Peeps was looking at me. My man Juve over there was like, the fuck is that what I was like? Chill. Like, look at him. He ain't been the same since that Vontes Burfick hit when he was a Pittsburgh Steeler and he was in the playoffs and went over the middle and Vontes Burfick put it on him. His body kicked up like rigor mortis, you know what I'm saying? He had never been the same since. I don't know how prevalent it is with all these cats, but I do think it's something that you need to investigate. Go back and watch that hit on Vontes Burford.

[Joe]

Look, Antonio Brown been bugged out for a minute, right?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Since that hit. Since that hit, he ain't been the same.

[Joe]

Yo, listen, he been bugged out, coming.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Off the field, taking off his shirt, walking out of MetLife Stadium, going on stage, dancing like a clown and all. That wasn't him.

[Joe]

That brother was out on a football field.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We can have it.

[Joe]

Any superstar athlete right now. We don't make as much money this year. Do not play yourself. And quit playing football, basketball, baseball, to rap.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's just, that's how you know he's starting to happen.

[Joe]

That's a L. Yeah, that's a L. That's a big. That's a big.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, here's where you knew. Cause he still played. Not that game, but he still had a couple of years in his career after that hit, right? Remember when he was on the Raiders? Keep this in mind. Remember this? Because I went off about this on the air, and that's when I knew he had a problem. I said, ladies and gentlemen, it is Thursday. They got a Monday Night Football game. As a Raider, all he has to do is play and shut the fuck up. And by Tuesday afternoon, he guaranteed $29 million. Opened his mouth anyway, and they cut him before Tuesday.

[Joe]

Motherfuckers getting their own way.

[Stephen A. Smith]

$29 million. All you gotta do is. There's no exaggeration, it's a Thursday. And all he has to do is wait until Tuesday. And he got 29 million guaranteed. And opened his mouth, shut up. And got thrown off the teeth. I said, something wrong with him.

[Joe]

Me and you, we talked this. Could you shut the fuck up To Tuesday?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Like shit, I could.

[Joe]

The $29 million, could you have done.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It for $29 million? I could have shut the fuck up for the rest of the month. That's right. Hell, yes. For $29 million.

[Joe]

My wife said I could sit upset. I don't have arthritis in my bones. The only thing that really worked is my fucking mouth. She said, you won't shut the fuck up. You need some type of massage or some shit for your shit. She said you won't shut the fuck up. And let me tell you something.

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[Joe]

It's hard sometimes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I wanna say something. I tried, right? Because they take me for granted, right? Steve. Steve. I'm like one of the greatest storytellers of all time. People tune into our shit, they hear the stories, they get the shit for free. And they like, shut the fuck up. Like, we don't want to hear.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But you know why? Because you're a storyteller. So you always telling stories.

[Joe]

Yes. Yes, they do.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Motherfuckers around you, every day they go like this. Not today, Joe.

[Joe]

Yo, not today. Giving dinner, they'd be like. My sisters would be like, yo, shut the fuck.

[Stephen A. Smith]

What sister? What sister doesn't tell her brother? What sister doesn't tell her brother?

[Joe]

I'll be like, yo. But damn, yo, you know I'm legendary. I was about to give y' all that. They like, yo, we heard everything. Every which way. You can say this shit. Enough's enough.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right. That's you. New York Knicks.

[Jada]

Jump. Let's jump to the Knicks.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I know you a Knickerbocker. At the beginning of the season, I had him going to the Finals. I still am there. Only eight games in. You switched it already. No, no, no. I'm not happy. I'm not happy. So if I'm not happy, you can't.

[Joe]

What you not happy about?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Defensively, they're not the same. They still trying to figure out a rhythm. Under Mike Brown, it's a new coach. If it was Tibbs, I wouldn't be as worried. But with him, I'm worried because it's a new system, and you gotta remember something. And I'm not blaming anybody. I understand how this goes on both sides. But Tibbs, rigid, tough, hard, never stop, blah, blah, blah. When a guy like Mikel Bridges, who's a Ironman, don't miss games at all, looks at you and says, yo, we need a break, that's a bad sign, because you not giving him a break. He never asked for one. Phoenix, Brooklyn, now the Knicks. He never asked for one in his career. That's not him.

[Joe]

He.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He prides himself. And he's known for playing not all the games, but practically all the games. So when he said that about Tibbs, you got the feeling stuff wasn't right. Secondly, you know, you look at them, come playoff time, Tibbs hurt himself when Cat got gimpy and you took him out. And then you saw Cat stepping in there, finding a way to give you quality minutes. And what you asked yourself was, well, where the fuck were they? How come you didn't see them during the season? Because if you see them doing the season, you got a better chemistry, a Better rhythm, better. You know what I'm saying? They might play even better, what you were doing, you know, World Wide west, you know, Leon Rose, you know, that's what they wanted. They got these cats on the squad for a reason. They want you to play them. You didn't play them. So that's problematic. Now, they bounced them after five years, resurrected the franchise, got you to the conference finals.

[Joe]

20 something years got him to the conference finals.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So now, here's the deal. Why he gone? Cause you weren't feeling them as players. So you got a cat in that you could feel that you are comfortable with. Well, here's the problem with that. Don't you usually have problems with coaches? You comfortable with them cats that can't get in your ass, that can't grind you when you need to be grinded? They can't hold you accountable. Now, I'm not saying that's Mike Brown, because Mike Brown will get your ass.

[Joe]

I'm sitting in front of Mike Brown and he's like, thanks, buddy. You're really working hard. Like, that ain't the fucking co. I'm Bobby Knight. Right?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Right.

[Joe]

Well, you said don't give. Don't give big. We gotta. No, no, no, no. He's winning. I pray for him every night, saying he's too nice. I would say he's too nice.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm just saying he is a nice guy. Very nice guy. But I've seen him getting people's ass before, especially when he was in Sacramento.

[Joe]

Right now, Malik, yo, listen. Right now. I heard him. I sat behind him in, like, three games. Hey, buddy, nice try. Go again. I'm not with that shit. I'm with, like, the pain. I want to hear, like, yo, get the fuck on the bench. Oh, you won't play tomorrow. I don't know what this shit is, this nice guy shit, but he's winning.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, here's the problem.

[Joe]

No, but hold up another problem. This is the biggest problem I have. The biggest problem I have with Mike Brown is total opposite of Tibbs. Tibbs is playing them till they die. I feel like Mike Brown ain't playing them enough.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He ain't.

[Joe]

He just keeps rotating.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, because what he's trying to do is build a bench and trying to preserve your legs for the postseason so you don't have no excuses. You see what I'm saying?

[Joe]

It's hard for me for saying, you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Got Mitchell Robinson when you got Mitchell Robinson, and cat always hurt. Fuck that. No excuses. If I got to play you 30 or less. If I got to Pay, you got to play you 30. And that's what it's going to take to make sure you ready come playoff time. What matters is April, May and June. And here's the thing. The New York Knicks is the best chance they've had at the finals in 25 years. I'm gonna tell you why. Jason Tatum, Achilles, Tyrese, Haliburton, Killies, Damian Lillard, Killies. Left, Milwaukee, went back to Portland, right. Miles Turner doing his thing there as a center. With Giannis, we get all of that part. But you should be able to beat them. If you the New York Knicks, Orlando coming, but they shouldn't be there. You should be able to beat them. Indiana ain't to say you should be able to beat him. Boston without Tatum, you should be able to beat him. I wanna hear that shit. This is it. You gotta get to the Finals, okay? If you don't get to the Finals, it ain't gonna be easier in the years to follow. This is it. And here's the deal. These dudes had a chance to get Giannis.

[Joe]

Do you trade half the team, like for Carmelo for Giannis?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'll give the dance team away. You the dancer. I get equipped, you shit.

[Joe]

Get me Yunnis City, dad. Giannis, the Knick City Dance.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I get everybody. I get everybody. Let me tell you something right now. Let me tell you something right now. Giannis in New York. Shit. Yes. In a heartbeat. I would not hesitate. It's Giannis, dog. Ain't no shade or disrespect to anybody. It's Giannis now, it sounds like. I'm not doing that.

[Joe]

I don't know if I give away the whole We. No, no.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I ain't giving away Brunson, Houston. I ain't giving away Brunson. You need help.

[Joe]

But you saying this the first time in 20 something years, 25 years, that we honestly believe that we could go to the finals by default. But do you give that up for Giannis?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes. You know why? Because I'm gonna have a chance to get to the finals. Every year with Giannis.

[Joe]

Tatum come back, he ain't getting to the finals every day, brother.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Champion dog. You say what you want, Motherfuck got a finals and finals MVP and average is 30 and 12.

[Joe]

You trade the whole team. You full of shit. Kiss.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We go off numbers, man the world goal. Did you just hear what he said? He's a final in the finals. MVP and he has 30 and 12.

[Joe]

You've traded the whole team who average.

[Stephen A. Smith]

30 and 12 on the Knicks raven.

[Joe]

That'S OG and the nobles. Three people together, you know what I'm saying? You got to give up og.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Go on.

[Joe]

You got to give up, Cat. You got to give up like bricks, some shit.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm giving up. You have to give up two of the three. You had to give up two of the three. I'm giving up two of the three.

[DJ Wells]

Gone.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Two of the three you just mentioned. I'm giving them up and I love them. I love Cat. Cat. One of the best. Cat. One of the best people I know. That's the truth, Kat. One of the best people I know. Cat can shoot the whole nine. OG Anunoby. Love his defensive tenacity, his toughness, the whole nine. Mikel Bridges. Listen.

[Joe]

Respect, meanness.

[Stephen A. Smith]

To see that New York. Stay with this. Stay with me. It's very important you hit us. Especially you.

[Joe]

It's very important you hit us.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Knicks fan. It's very important. You hear this shit.

[Joe]

Mikel Bridges.

[Stephen A. Smith]

$150 million.

[Joe]

He ain't worth five.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He's number 50 million. He's worth every penny of the 150. No, more than that. 155, not five. 150. Here's the deal, y'.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

They traded five first round picks for him. Five first round picks.

[Joe]

You gotta do more.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know what they paid. If they had paid three first round picks and they had kept two of them for themselves, they'd have had Giannis or Baker. They had nothing to give him. You got those players, but you have no draft assets. That's what Milwaukee got to get. If you gonna lose Giannis, it can't be just a couple of players. It's gotta be draft picks. You don't have the draft capital. So the only way you can get him is if he forces his way out of Milwaukee. And he's not willing to do that yet because he feels he owes the organization in the city.

[Joe]

Let me ask you a question. Are you seeing what I'm seeing with Wimba Yambo?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Bro, he's not gonna get nobody's name right for the whole show.

[Joe]

Yo, bro, that's the wrong name.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Wembiana. Victor Wembiana. Let me tell you something.

[Joe]

Everybody name up? Yeah, every I. Fuck everybody. Don't worry about it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I saw Wimbiana open tonight against Dallas. When he dropped 40 or 50. I cover the game, see all these motherfuckers talk about the game, I cover it. You know what I'm saying? I gotta call league office. I gotta find out shit, all this. I gotta talk about issues. But I gotta make sure I contextualize stuff properly. Because you're getting information from all of this stuff, right? I saw this brother step on the court. I said, oh, shit, seven five with a handle and a fallaway J. And then watch this.

[Joe]

Remember?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I said, watch. Don't look at the numbers of his shot blocks. Look at how quick he gets off the floor. So remember, he ain't got to jump to dunk. He's 75 and can dunk without jumping. Okay, but he can jump. Not only that, he quick with it. The quickness off of his feet.

[Joe]

Motherfucker, he be like this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Y' all hands be down.

[Joe]

Motherfucker, come up there and lift me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That shit a fly. Nothing inside, nothing on the interior.

[Joe]

If you think football, the guy will put the pressure on the quarterback.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But I'm just talking about the.

[Joe]

You scared to shoot when he is on the other.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right, because it's like the quickness with which he gets up. He don't even put his hands up because he knows it'll deter you from shooting. So he's like, you know who he remind me of in the weather? It's a different sport. Totally different sport.

[Joe]

This guy's crazy.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Check out the analysis. Check out the analogy. Prime time Deion Samuel. Remember how he used to act? Used to bait. Like, used to bait you and make you think you had him beat, and then the minute you threw it, he went there and got it. Wemby stands with his hands down half the time because he wants you to shoot so he can snatch this shit out the air. I've seen Anthony Davis injured. I've seen Anthony Davis struggle. But I know Anthony Davis on world average 20 and 12. When Winbiana got in his ass, that.

[Joe]

Brother, he looked like a fucking bitch.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, he looked like. You described yourself, like little people. He looked. He just. He looked like depressed. He looked like literally depressed.

[Joe]

Gover, whether you like Anthony Davis or not, that game, he made that boy look like a little boy. He wasn't even a factor because he.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Was saying, like, Anthony Davis used to.

[Joe]

Be the tall guy. He made him look like, yo, look, we can end this. The other day I watched Yamba come down and he crossed this dude over maybe like six, seven times and went coast to coast dunk. Like, it's disgusting. Like, it's like a video.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He's going to be Defensive Player of the Year and he got a chance to be league mvp. Years after San Antonio gets to the postseason, he will win Defensive Player of the Year and League mvp. Does he need to get A little bit strong. Of course he does. Well, right now, what you gon see at some point, and that's how you know it's a different generation of players. Had he was playing in the 90s or the 80s, he got hurt him. Yeah, he's too skinny. We gonna hurt him. They gonna chop him down the side. They'd have had him scared to be on the interior because he'd have been getting it here, here. All that you gonna have. And you can't blame him because what you gonna do with 7, 5, 7, 5. And you could play like that. And then Houston, I'm watching Houston and I'm looking at teams because I'm trying to look at teams that got a real shot to like, go against them and compete against them. Dallas healthy with lively Gafford. Kyrie, you could get. Once Kyrie comes back, you could do that. Houston open the night. They started four cats, 6ft 11 or taller. Shagon, Kevin, you know, Kevin Durant, Jabari Smith, the whole. You know what I'm saying? Amin Thompson, 6, 8. The brother's gonna be a star.

[Joe]

Perfect.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm just. He does. I'm saying to you, you need that against Wembano. And I'm talking about defensively, offensively. Don't even think about shooting the ball aside. Not with him in the vicinity. He coming to get it. So that's what I'm watching right now.

[Joe]

I feel like it's Wembayamba's league as of next year, hands down. Cause he already said he gonna take the pay cut. Come bring somebody nice over there.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Vassal Castle. Those cats, they can play. They can play. And Deander Fox. So it's like they got a little crew. De' Aaron Fox, first of all, I don't know if you noticed, that is the only basketball argument I've ever gotten into with Irvin Magic Johnson over. Who's that? De' Aaron Foxx.

[Joe]

What was Magic?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I was the one begging them, don't draft Lonzo ball. Draft the iron Fox. I said, you caught up in Chino Hills, you caught up in ucla. You caught up in the local product coming to the lake show. I said, de' Aaron Fox, bust his ass. De' Aaron Fox is that dude. I respect Lonzo, but he ain't this cat. I'm telling you right now, de' Aaron Fox is the one to take Magic arguing me. He said, it's a business decision. I said, basketball, winning is best business.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

My business partner might have said one.

[Jada]

Of the stupidest things he ever said.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Since we started filming.

[Jada]

I need you to please explain this to him.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And he still might not listen to you. As smart and knowledgeable as you are, he's still going to give some deflection. Said LeBron is on the trading block. Who LeBron. Right now, before he ever played the game. He has no trickles. Can you tell? There's no tricks, ladies and gentlemen. Listen, could you tell him?

[Joe]

Could you tell him we understand that?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Listen to the profession. I mean, he could get traded, but he has to okay it. But if I would. I believe dead serious. I believe dead seriously. And I said this in the off season before. I said LeBron should approve getting out and going to Cleveland and joining Donovan Mitchell.

[Joe]

That's right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They'll easily be in the finals. They will easily be in the finals. Him and Donovan Mitchell. You got to keep one of the bigs. Mobley, of course, Allen. Right. They go on to the finals. Here's the problem though. That was before I saw Luka averaging.

[Joe]

40 and Austin reeds were 51. Oh no. At 51, 40, you see this guy? This guy.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But, but, but Austin's not going to do that with LeBron and Luka on the floor.

[Joe]

No, he's not. Because LeBron gonna take up space.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Don't take up space. My thing is, right.

[Joe]

LeBron James stuck his chin out.

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[Joe]

Okay, I don't want to repeat this. I said some shit. This guy almost fought me. He got up, fuck outta here. He can't even. And he sounded like KG. I wakes up the next morning after we do the podcast and I'm looking.

[Stephen A. Smith]

At Paul Pierce say the same shit.

[Joe]

I say word for word.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Truth is crazy.

[Joe]

He said the truth is saying the truth.

[Stephen A. Smith]

What did he say?

[Joe]

He said, lebron, you know, he either got to come off the bench or he gonna get traded.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Now that's ignorant.

[Joe]

No, no, it's not.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's ignorant. It is.

[Joe]

All right, let me ask you a question.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It is.

[Joe]

You're a Lakers fan, right?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I do root for.

[Joe]

No, no, no. You're Lakers, you're Jimmy Iovine, and, man, Jim, Jimmy Iovine sits courtside every game.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So do I. Not every game, but I got you.

[Joe]

Everybody want to build. Everybody want a younger team so they can have a run. They watching these games that LeBron got the sciatica. And the white boys is dropping 51 and 41, bro. And they young and they whack, whack, whack. When he come, he got to do to LeBron and slow everything up, and let's hope he's doing okay. 20 seasons of doing this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He has a no trade clause.

[Joe]

I know that. What I'm saying is. Do you? All right, let's say he don't have that. So you just sit there and watch LeBron.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm not saying you don't slow it.

[Joe]

Up and fuck up the chemistry. No.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, first of all, that's not true. You got to give LeBron more credit than that. Here's the deal. Let me explain. LeBron did what he did because he started out every season, and you put the ball in his hands, and you didn't have anybody else that you could do that with. You tried to do it with Kyrie. He was younger, was a bad motherfucker, but not necessarily ready for that. You understand? You in Miami, you gave it to D. Wade. That's the year y' all lost to the finals. And D. Wade had to have a talk with you and say, yo, we ain't gonna never what we need to be unless the ball is in your hands because you're the best in the world. So they had to facilitate that. He goes back to Cleveland. Of course that's the way to go. Because even though Kyrie was ascending, the team hadn't won more than 33 games in any season that he was there, because LeBron and Kevin love wasn't there with him. So you come back, you give LeBron, and he take you straight to the finals. Four straight years. All right? So you got that going. I'm breaking it down for you.

[Joe]

All that mean nothing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

All right? So you want me. Shut up.

[Joe]

No, no. I'm trying to help. I'm trying to help.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You understand what I'm saying? I told you he wasn't going to even listen to you. Exactly. So.

[Joe]

So.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So what I'm saying to you is that he goes to la, does the same thing as far the time has creeped in, it still didn't stop him from getting to the west finals three years ago with the Lakers. When him and Anthony Deyes. If you don't run into Yokich, you back in the finals, you lose in the first round of next year. But you lost to Jokic in the first round. You ran into the monster. So I'm simply saying to you, historically, LeBron has shown he can figure out what he needs to do where he doesn't hurt the team. The problem now is Austin reaves is coming. J.J. redick and them have fostered that development. And even if LeBron comes in there, right, the challenge for LeBron now, the challenge for LeBron is you've always been a winner. So now that you see what Luka is doing and what Reaves can do, are you gonna fuck it up, or are you gonna figure out how you mesh in? Because now it's a little bit different.

[Joe]

Let's get deeper on this process.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm saying he won't mess it up. I'm saying he ain't gonna. They ain't gonna be worse with him. LeBron is good for 25 a night. It's just, how is he gonna get it? Are you gonna get it by taking the ball from Reaves and Luca, or are you gonna take it by fitting in with them and letting them feed you? That's the deal. Are you gonna shoot threes or you gonna take your ass down on the post?

[Joe]

Listen, y. You acting like I'm hating on LeBron. I'm not hating on.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I didn't say you are. I'm just saying that he can do.

[Joe]

Just took the thousand.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't know what he. I need new ears.

[Joe]

I'm just being realistic. And what I'm trying to tell you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Is just because you are hall of Famer, that's a pretty good game.

[Joe]

Just because you're a Hall of Famer and you was good. In 2010, LeBron will come back at.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Age 41 with sciatica and easily average 22 to 25 a game. I'm just telling you now how he does it matters because of who you going up against out West. No question. And no question they would trade him if they could. But why? Because of his age and you fact you got Luka's the Future and Luka's 26, and you want young cats to play, not somebody who's 41 and on his way out in the next year, too. That's what that's about. It's not because of LeBron's game. It's not because of LeBron's game. It'S because of his age and the fact that you want to get younger.

[Joe]

Of course, that's all LeBron changed the king.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Is Houston going to get a point guard or they going to work it out like that? They going to have to get a point guard. But I will tell you, they love Amen Thompson's development in terms of him going because the brother's gonna be a star. This brother's a dog. He gonna show up on the court and play defense, lock into one of the twins. He plays lockdown defense. Ain't scared of nobody athletically freakish. Gotta work on his jump shot. But I love his game and got a bunch of heart. But you do need a pure point guard out there, or at least a sniper, because that's where Fred Van Vleet was. You need a sniper. You need that. Because you can't just have KD doing it. You gotta have somebody for him to feed the ball to that can drill it from three. That's a threat. That will enable them to spread the floor and have opposing defenses. Not being able to key on him so much. That's what you need to do. And if you can do that, then you'll be all right with Houston. But it's going to be Detroit real. I think they're real enough to be a threat in the East. And this is the thing about Detroit that's interesting. First of all, Kunningham is a star. Get that out of the way right now. That brother's a star team is dangerous. I think Malik Beasley being I hurts them the whole bit. You know, his troubles and all that stuff. No doubt. But I think that with Duran and Stewart, they got bigs that they putting out there that Bias Harris got hurt. You looking at certain situation, they were effective. Their plus minus was more effective with them on the court than them one coming off the bench and, you know, subbing for one another. And Detroit wants New York. Like Bickerstaff told me flat out. He said, he said, I still think the Knicks would beat him, but they gonna have the work cut out from Detroit. It's like this. We want them dudes, Bickerstaff, we ain't losing to them no more. It's that kind of energy. So I think it's going to be very interesting to see what happens. I think a legitimate argument could be made that Cleveland and Detroit are the top two threats to the Knicks in the Eastern Conference.

[Joe]

Oh, that's fact okay.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Orlando's coming though.

[Joe]

Orlando, like Orlando?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Orlando's Desmond Bay picks up. Not Charo. Ben Caro.

[Joe]

Ben Caro, the man is.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, he's big time.

[Joe]

That's.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And Bogdan's not bad either. Bogdan is not. Franz Wagner, he's not bad either. But Desmond Bane, they were the worst three point shooting. One of the worst three point shooting teams the last two years. That's why they went out and traded multiple picks to get Desmond Bane. Because the brother could drill it from three.

[Joe]

I know, he's really good.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, man.

[Joe]

The season is gliding. Eight games, you know what I'm saying? It's exciting.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah.

[Joe]

I'm watching everything I west shout out my brother. E40. We need E40 on the show.

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Nah, but we really need E40 on the show.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Guys, I gotta, I gotta jump to the NFL. I think the lower tier teams right now. I'm saying it's Seattle. I'm saying it's Seattle might be the best team in nfc. Let's talk about it. They got some Rough Riders on defense. They can run the ball. They definitely got this boy in Jigba that's a badass wide receiver. They just picked up Rashid Shahid from, from New Orleans and he's a deep threat for. You can spread the field. It all comes down to Sam Donald, though. Sam Donald, formerly of the New York jets, wasn't that dude. We didn't know what kind of career he was going to have. And then he turns around and go to Minnesota. Last year and they started out the season 14 2. Now the problem was they were celebrating like they won some shit before the last game of the regular season. And that was for the division crown against Detroit. And you forgot you had to play him. And they kicked your ass. They win the game, they're the number one seed in the nfc, which means they have home field advantage throughout the playoffs. You lose the game, you a wild card, you fall to the fifth seed. And then you ended up going against the Rams on the road and they kicked your ass. So the last game of the regular season, you lose to Detroit. The last, the first game of the playoffs, you lose to the Rams and you bounced out. And that's how your season ended. He's playing on a one year, $10 million contract. So he's playing on a one year $70 million contract, right? Was about to get paid. And so he goes out in the free agent market and Seattle pays him 33 and a half million. And so he goes and he takes that money. Minnesota goes the Route of playing a rookie in J.J. mcCarthy. Right. Not thinking about how that's going to compromise Justin Jefferson and Addison and those boys. And that's why they struggling to some degree and you know, Seattle's thriving. So it really comes down to Seattle's defense is so good that it really comes down to their quarterback. Is your quarterback going to show up? Literally what you have to ask about Seattle is is Sam Donald gonna show up and produce for them?

[Joe]

Facts.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Is the Giants gonna get Lane Kitten? I don't know about all of that. I don't know somebody. I don't know. If you want him, he's great at college. I don't know how great he would be at the pros. Number one. Number two, you gotta get some more players. They just fired the coach, Brian Dable. I felt bad for him because he was coach of the years. I agree. But the problem is they were losing all these damn double digit fourth quarter games. You had double digit leads, you know, against Denver. Denver you lost. They gave up 33 points in the fourth quarter to Denver. You can't have got fired that game. That's right. Is that he would. He took bus home. He wouldn't have got a. He wouldn't have flight back on the play.

[Joe]

He get fired after the result of one game. Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They can fire you whenever they want to fire you whenever you want. See, I'm different when people get fired through the season. They let you fly home and all that shit. I'm the kind of cat that if you were that bad, you were that piss poor. I'm giving you a ticket. Flying another plane or you taking a bus, get the hell out. I'm out. I mean I'm done with you. And to lose like that. Go home. Just go home with your family. You understand what I'm saying? Pay you.

[Joe]

Who do you think going to take it this year?

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's hard to say. I'm still. I'm still at Seattle. Listen, anybody in the nfc? Philly, Green Bay, Detroit, Chicago, all three in the division right now, AFC North, Tampa Bay in the south and every team in the NFC West. Seattle, Louisiana. San Fran. Even though San Fran just lost to LA and Arizona. As a matter of fact, I take Arizona out of the mix. But those three, San Francisco, Louisiana, Seattle. So you got all of those teams. I think Philly should be the favorite because they just know how to win. No matter what the rest circumstances. They find a way different ways to beat you. And I still have not ruled out the possibility as Indy. As good as Indy looks As good as New England looks now that they got Drake May and you feel Baltimore on a come up now that they started one of five, but now they only a game out of first place behind the Steelers because the Steelers are nose diving as usual. You look at Denver, Kansas City, the Chargers in the AFC West, I just think Kansas City's still going to be there because of that damn path.

[Joe]

Guys, I'm a bandwagon in football.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right. I don't know much about football.

[Joe]

I do know I love Kansas City. You know what I'm saying?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Patrick Mahomes is cool as Travis Kelce retires after this year, goes, gets married, you know, does his podcast and all that other stuff. Yeah, you know he gonna have all of that. I think the only. Me personally, I never asked him about it, but I think the only reason Travis Kelce is back this year is because of how the Eagles kick their ass in the Super Bowl. If he doesn't lose that Super Bowl, I think he wins.

[Joe]

I like that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And even if you lose, you can't go out like that. That can't be your last game where you in the third quarter sitting on the bench shaking your head, then we getting our ass.

[Joe]

You know what I'm thinking?

[Stephen A. Smith]

You can't have that. That can't be your last game.

[Joe]

You know, I'm here thinking, and we brought up the Dodgers, Yankees earlier, the Asian brother. I'm definitely going to get his. Johan, Tony, is he the greatest baseball player he might be of all time?

[Stephen A. Smith]

He might be. I just interviewed Dave Robinson better than Babe Ruth. I just interviewed Jay Robinson, manager of the Dodgers. He says nobody in the history of baseball was a better hitter than Barry Buns. He said, but Shohei Ohtani is the greatest in the world. And when you take into account that he pitches as well as hits, he is the greatest since Babe Ruth. But the caveat was, understand nobody was a better hitter than Barry Barnes. Than Barry Barnes.

[Joe]

So Barry Barnes is a better hitter.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Than Show Hair Time. He's a better hitter than everybody. Everybody. He is the greatest I've ever seen. He's the greatest I've ever seen. Are you listening or are you existing?

[Joe]

I'm listening. What I'm saying to you is a guy named Show Antoni that won two chips in a row that pitched the whole fucking game. And every time he bats, I feel like he's gonna hit a home run. The guy is fucking out of this world.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He's out of this world, but he's.

[Joe]

Out of this world.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But last year in the World Series, he did nothing.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And this year, game seven, he's on the mound. He's the one that gave up the three point homers. And they went to death. They smacked him out of there. Smacked him out. But in fairness to is cause he was tired. But he still went to the plate. But he still went to the plate and got some hits.

[Joe]

Kiss my life. Growing up, no matter how good the player was, they always had a hitter for him. I never seen a guy. Cause I seen some. We talking about that last game, but the game before that, I seen him striking everybody out. Then he gets up there and he hits three home runs. And one like this shit is like.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He had a legendary game. He had a historic game that's going to be in the books forever. But the last game of this year.

[Joe]

What Ricky Jackson hit when he was.

[Stephen A. Smith]

In the year, three home runs. Three home runs in the world.

[Joe]

This guy, the game runs. Mr. October.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's why he called him Mr. October. Because Dave Winfield didn't hit in the playoffs. Steinbrenner Called the Mr. May. Mr. May.

[Joe]

Mr. What?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Mr. May as in the month of May.

[Joe]

Oh, Mr. May. Call him Mr. May. Because he hit. He would hit. He could have runner.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Steinbrenner was crazy.

[Joe]

You know what happened to me, man.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You met him. Of course he did.

[Joe]

I'm on 132nd and Park Avenue since back in the day. These are true story. I don't even think cell phones was out yet. I don't think cell phone. Nobody had a cell phone. And I'm not talking about George Steinburn. I'm talking about Phil Zuto. Right? So a car gets stuck 1 32nd at Park Avenue, you got the welfare, you got the sanitation department, you got pimps and hoes, you got crack and heroin. This shit is a terrible zone to get stuck at. Right? Right. Obviously, that was my life. I lived there. But the car stops and I look, it's a white man. Fucking Phil Ruggi. Phil Ruggi gives me a thing. He said, kid, come here. This, this, that. He says, can you please call this number and tell him that Phil Rizzuto is stuck in 132nd Park. Them motherfuckers came in like two minutes, bro. They took him out of that car. They towed that car to the point. I couldn't even convince a motherfucker on the block Phil Rizzuto was stuck there. This is before cell phones. Remember he used to call the game Phil Rizzuto, he got stuck there. He gave me the number. He disappeared in five minutes. They came over that bridge, took the car, everything. He was gone. I was like, yo, I'm watching him on TV that night. I said, yo, I don't even want to tell a story that was, like, original.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So nobody was gonna believe.

[Joe]

Nobody was gonna believe that that was the first Cap ever. Would have been like, yo, my man, you ain't seen. But it happened, though.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe]

I mean, I believe you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, no, I know you ain't making the up.

[Joe]

It happened. I was a kid. I made the call, they came. I could not believe.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It was nice you to make the call because he's nervous as hell. Oh, my God.

[Joe]

Don't want those.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't give a who you are. I don't give a what street you are. We from the streets. We comfortable in the streets. But if it ain't the streets, you know, that's where you making. That's what it ain't about, the streets. The element don't scare you. It's the people, because it's who you know and who you don't know.

[Joe]

It's just a terrible place.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right. That's right. But if you from there.

[Joe]

Oh, if you from there, it's welfare, the free. If you're from there, it's cool.

[Jada]

It's normal habitat.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's normal habitat, but if normal. But you could go to the. I'm in Hollis. I ain't worried about. I'm in the Bronx. I ain't worried about shit depending on where you at. But it's certain spots where shit.

[Joe]

I don't know this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't know this. You know what's crazy?

[Joe]

I woke up this morning, man. I was telling my wife, I said, they had this guy, man. You know, my uncle owned the bodega there, right? Which is really a number spot, but.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Every bodega spot, number spot. Yo, go ahead.

[Joe]

Breaking news. Every bodega's the number spot.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Every one of them.

[Joe]

They had this old school man. He had to be 70 years old, man. He come up and he go, hey, I want you, Buddy boy. He always bought a fucking 40 elves. How about your buddy boy? How are your partner?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Every day.

[Joe]

I mean, that shit was so. To this day, all these years later, I remember his voice. He used to come in the. Hey, buddy boy, how are you, partner? You know, it's a Bob shout out. 132 Park Ave.that's where Rob Bas and Easy Rock from. You know what I'm saying? You know, that's crazy, man.

[Jada]

Is the new one of your shows is new.

[Stephen A. Smith]

When they're ready. Yeah. What happened is, is that. So I had to negotiate my contract with me, and when I did the contract with ESPN, we had 20 million. That's what they say. I can either firm knock out pockets here. I don't. That's how I keeps my pockets. But not.

[Joe]

But anyway.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But I'm not poor. So what happened is. So I did my deal. I did my deal with espn. It was announced in April. What people didn't realize is that we had agreed to the number in October. The issue for me in the fight all of those months was my rights, my freedom. Because for all of these years, and I told this to cats like Shannon Club, Shay Shay and Ryan Clark Dre and all of Draymond, and all of them got their podcast that you have to understand, if you from the hip hop industry, if you a athlete and all of that stuff, to cats in the street, y' all are role models because of your talent. To somebody like me, I've always looked up to y' all because of the freedom.

[Joe]

That's right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

See, I view y' all as people who are brave enough to invest in yourself and to be like, I'm not gonna capitulate to the system. That's why you can always tell when you see people in the media and all these people hating on cats, it's like, yeah, fuck em. They don't, you know, they don't get it. You see what I'm saying? Cause everybody ain't suited for, for corporate America, you understand? And so when you legitimately find a way to make it and you bet on yourself like y' all did, ain't nothing but love and admiration for that. And so I would look at that and I would tell. I remember one time I had this, this conversation with Shannon Sharp. I said, you have to understand that as an athlete, you made money as an athlete. And so you come into this business with money nobody in media ever, ever made. You got that cushion to be able to take a chance on yourself and bet on yourself. So you non employee, you an independent contractor status. So you getting this money. You have to understand, I was working for ESPN since 2003. I was an employee. I'm working for the New York Daily News, Philadelphia Inquirer. I'm an employee, which not only means they're paying me a salary, it means they have all my rights. Like, literally before April, if ESPN said, yo, I come to them, I'm going on Jadakiss with Fat Joe, they could have said, no. Literally, I'm 58 years old. Fighting, fighting, fighting all of these years for your rights to get from under that, to do your own thing. And so I calculated when I got let go in 2009, I blamed myself ultimately, because I was so busy caught up in the hype and everybody talking about Stephen A this that I didn't master the business. I didn't know my leverage. I didn't know my rights. Joe come up to me, always showed me love. Jada come up to me, always show me love. Got love for y', all, too. Y' all know that. Y' all always coming up to me, and I'm like. I'm looking at y' all like you motherfuckers got rights I don't have. You know what I'm saying? And it was like. It was sickening to me that I didn't have that freedom with how much love I was getting, but I didn't have that kind of latitude, that leverage. And I said, no more. Like, if I don't bet on me now, I never will. I can't be. I can't be that cat that don't have the courage. So I was willing to put everything on the line. And I was lucky enough to have a good boss. I got a good boss in Jimmy Pitaro, the co chairman of Disney that ran and runs espn. And he's got a lot of love for me and treats me well. He says, steven, I don't want to lose you. We can't lose you. Said, I'm willing to give you X amount of dollars. He said, you got to understand that it's Disney. It's a board and shareholders. It's all of this. So no matter how much money people think we got, we got over here, we got bills. But I can give you a certain amount. He said, but if you willing to stay for this amount, I'll let you go do whatever you want to do. Just make sure you give me first take. And I said, you got yourself a deal. So when that happens, then I go. Because Sirius XM came call. There's a lot of people calling.

[Joe]

Sirius got money like that?

[Stephen A. Smith]

SiriusXM? Well, not like that, but they got some. All right.

[DJ Wells]

Some money.

[Stephen A. Smith]

They got some money and said, I ain't free and I don't come cheap.

[Joe]

No, no.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So what happened is ESPN gave me this joint. SiriusXM comes, and they like, we want you, too. So it's money on top of that. Money like that on the sports side, right? Which, by the way, it ain't just a salary teaching Jada too much. It ain't just a salary. I own the show. So we split the profits. Then I got my political show. Y' all number one.

[Joe]

Yo, you trying to go to President of the United States. I see it all day. Steve, I'm with you. Gonna back you up. Yeah, I know you trying to do this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm not really trying to.

[Joe]

Yeah, you are trying to do this. Y. Steve. Yo, Steve, you want this?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I don't.

[Joe]

You want it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm telling you, I'm. I'll never lie to you. Here's what I would tell you, and I do mean this part. I'm not giving up my money. I work 12 of that money. I ain't giving mama money for a $400,000 salary and all that stress. Yeah, fuck that.

[Joe]

But they get $400,000 salary and they leave with 95 million.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's cool.

[Joe]

But then I gotta figure this out.

[Stephen A. Smith]

A black man that got the count on you making sure I'm good on the back end when I already got it on the front end. Now, if I'm Obama, who was a community organizer before he became a senator, right? That's different. If I'm somebody, like, if I'm a sudden one of these politicians or whatever, that's, you know, got a regular job and making a few hundred thousand is different. That's not my situation.

[Joe]

I get it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

So I'm not giving up my paper. But I will tell you this. Here's where it becomes intriguing. Number one, the one thing I know I would love to do is to be on the debate stage against the politicians. My brother, you think you see me on first date. I will tell you this. I would never.

[Joe]

You wouldn't go, Stephen.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You wouldn't see me for like a month to two months. Every single day, I would be hunkered down just to make sure I knew the issues. And when I show up on stage for a debate against politicians, you will see me in a state of mind you have never seen me before. I won't miss shit. I'd be on a mission to eat everybody alive. Like, that would be me. So because of what? I believe that most of the problems we have in this world are because of the politicians.

[Joe]

Oh, yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Like, what I'm saying is, is that I'm one of those guys. I'm a registered independent. I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. I'm mostly both Democrat. But I don't think democratically. There's Republican policies I agree with. There's liberal policies that I agree with. But I think that the buy that Exists is because they've spent so much time hating on each other and swearing up and down, whatever side loses, Armageddon's gonna arrive. So what happens is whatever side you on, you pissed off because your side didn't win. And it's like, yo, we losing this. You know, it's Immigration. You opening the borders. They sitting up there invading the medical system. That's why our taxes are so high. Nah, you. You know, you let folks in. So guess what? That's why crime is existing in the street. Nah, you ain't focusing on the economy. All of this other stuff. You scaring the living shit out of the American people. And we going at each other when, in fact, if we didn't have those problems, we all be cool. You can't tell me I'm like, listen, I consider it ain't just black people. Hispanics, my brothers and sisters. I grew up in shit. Half my family's Hispanic. You know what I'm saying? I'm good. You know, Got nothing but love for us. My point is, is that. Don't tell me we divided. Y' all divide us because y' all ain't handling shit. It trickles down to us, and then we but in heads because of the shit y' all ain't doing. So who's the person that will call them out? I think we know me well enough to know I won't be shy about that shit. And so that is what I think about now. I don't want to campaign. And what I mean by that is I gotta beg for money because I gotta have money for commercials and campaign. That's what I don't want to do. But if you told me I ain't had to do that shit, and then, yo, man, I could be on my radio show every day and I could be on tv, and I ain't got to do that shit. And you telling me that just doing my work every day and campaigning and promoting and marketing myself for a presidency, and that could put me in the White House. Yeah, I do it. I'll do it, Dan. Yeah, I do it. Absolutely.

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[Joe]

You know it's crazy, right? Because I'm a sucker for a good pastor, and they can give me the word and everything, but the minute they start saying that, yo, you could donate thousand, if you really love me, it's 10,000.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Can't trust nothing.

[Joe]

Don't just say, I can't take.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I can't take.

[Joe]

The motherfucker just told me exactly. I'm ready to fix my whole family existence.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Exactly.

[Joe]

He's speaking to me like, God is talking directly to me. But the minute he start the shit, yo, the minute they bring up the money, thousand dollars to come through the bring, they bring 10,000 to make you. I'm looking at this shit, I'm like, damn, you had me, bro. Like, I'm fucking with you.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yep.

[Joe]

Nah, it's the same. That's what he said.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I go to Christian Cultural center in Brooklyn. Pastor A.R. bernard. That's my man. I've known him. Guy.

[Joe]

He did exit funeral.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Man, that was incredible. 35 years, that's the only pass. I mean, I love him to death. That's my. That's my spiritual father. That's these good people.

[Joe]

So you pay gods to that guy?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes, Yes. I wouldn't hesitate. Whatever.

[Joe]

He needs one of the biggest pastors.

[Stephen A. Smith]

In the world, right?

[Joe]

And one day, I'm walking through the airport. He said, yo, Joe, I need to check for the church. I said, let me tell you something.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's never happened with me. That's never happened with me. You denied the pastor. You didn't give the pastor a check.

[Joe]

I'm telling y' all the truth. I said, pastor, I'm gonna write you the check. Don't ever fucking try me like that again.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right.

[Joe]

Don't ask me for no shit. Like, wrote him the check.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And I don't blame you. My pastor's never done that. My pastor's never asked me for a dime. Neither did you. I just give. I just give when I can.

[Joe]

I want the free word. Where can we get the. Is there a free word?

[Stephen A. Smith]

And it's the free. And it's true this and see, you like the free word. I love the word. I can't. I don't go to church for the music and all that.

[Joe]

Now.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I want to hear the word. I want to hear the word. The only other pastor I ever loved was Martin. Because Martin's my favorite sitcom. Leon. Lonnie Love. Yeah. I don't say it. I mean, he is the David Allegra.

[Joe]

Best, best ever. Martin might be the best show.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, yes.

[Joe]

Ever. He goes down in body. You want to know what's crazy? Just, you know, sometimes I sleep and I just let Martin play and the new episodes show up. That I never heard.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nah, I ain't nobody.

[Joe]

Ain't no new.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Ain't no.

[Joe]

I thought I knew episodes.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He just didn't watch the last season and him separated. It wasn't as fun without Gina, but we never really watched it.

[Joe]

I can't believe I see a new Martin episode to a show. I'll be like, yo, not new. It ain't not new. We just didn't watch it. We didn't catch it. I thought I caught them all after Gina left.

[Stephen A. Smith]

We weren't interested. Let me ask the relationship.

[Joe]

Back to the politics.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yes, Mondan problem. Break that down. Because free ain't reality. Free buses, free grocery stores. You're seeing free childcare. It ain't free. Nothing's free in this world. And nobody should know that better than minorities in this country, whether it's black or Hispanics. No one should ever fail to know that. What he means is the redistribution of wealth. Here's the problem with the redistribution of wealth in a capitalistic society. You can tax an extra 2% to cash. You can put an extra 11 and a half to 15% on capital gains tax. But if you do anything that Messes with small business owners. If you do anything that messes with big business owners and they take their business elsewhere, how you gonna pay the bills? You don't have people employed, they ain't making money. They're gonna be more dependent on the government. And the government's gonna have to come out of pocket more to take care of them. Well, how you gonna pull that off? You gotta get the money from somewhere. So it's always gonna trickle down to the middle class, to the lower class. It's fool's gold to think that you can just simply choose to tax people who are making money all the damn time and continue to raise taxes. And then he's, he's been on a record. That's why they call him a communist, because he's talked about seizing properties. That's communism. That's Marxism. So when he tries shit like that and you hearing that kind of language.

[Joe]

So you believe in all that?

[Stephen A. Smith]

I believe in all of what?

[Joe]

The shit they saying? No, no, I'm saying, I don't look at Instagram. They got a.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, I'm against that shit.

[Joe]

They got a white guy on the train and they playing the Muslim next stop.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It stood like, I moved out of New York. I moved out of New York last year. I got a spot in Florida. I had no state in conviction. You know that. I caught you. I caught you when I first got there. I'm out. He got out of there.

[Joe]

I'm out.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You understand? I got an apartment in New York for when I got to be here. My daughter sees shit like that, sure, fine. But I got, my home is in Florida. He got that shit. I'm out. I already, I already did.

[Joe]

So Montame's fucking up New York.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, I'm not gonna say listen. How would you listen?

[Joe]

That's what the man said.

[Stephen A. Smith]

No, he didn't. I'm worried that his policies won't work. I'm not saying that his heart is in the wrong place. We should all want to look out for the impoverished. We should all want to look out for the little man that needs a come up. But the way he's talking about doing it is totally disrupting the system. The system's not going to let that happen. You see what I'm saying now what you have to worry about, and you also have to worry about the collateral damage. Because I'm going to tell you what the Republicans going to do. They going to quote him, him being a Muslim, they going to quote him when he quoted about hating Israel, they going to quote him when he said, I would have Netanyahu, Prime Minister of Israel, arrested on the spot the minute he stepped to New York City. They going to quote him on the free ride, bus rides, the free supermarkets, the free child care. They going to talk all of that shit. They going to compare it to non capitalist societies like Venezuela, Cuba, others. And they gonna say, that's what you want. That's what the Democratic Party is. Because they're gonna use aoc. They gonna use people like Bernie Sanders to say that's what they doing. And it's gonna get the country to say, we ain't accepting that.

[Joe]

Go through it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Come on, man. Y' all perform everywhere.

[Joe]

You go through other parts of the country. They ain't trying to hear this shit. They telling you, don't come here with.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That shit, don't even think it. And they let you know. So it's like they gonna use it to win the general so they can maintain power over the federal and they can make.

[Joe]

So you think they're gonna win that when they go midterm?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, yeah. That's what they're doing. They're gonna use it. They're gonna use it and that's what they're gonna. So Gavin Newsom in California gotta make a decision who I, you know, listen, I've talked to these, a lot of these people, you know what I'm saying? On my show in seven weeks, Governor Josh Shapiro, Pennsylvania Governor Spencer Cox, Utah Senator Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Bill O'Reilly and Bill Maher from Real Time with Real Sports, Senator Joe Manchin, Governor Pritzker. From Illinois, House Speaker, Leader Hakeem Jeffries, Representative Chip Roy Cuomo and Mam Ghani called in at the last minute with eight minutes left after he heard Cuomo on my show. All right. Instead of sitting down for a full interview with me before the election, thinking, slick, I saw that shit. But then. And then you got the shutdown going on and I had Representative Jim Jordan, the chief, you know, for the jets, sending you just. Jerry, I'm sorry, not for the.

[Joe]

Jim Jordan is mad as hell.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right. Right. And I had speaker of the House Mike Johnson. That's why I've had. That's why he shows number one. That's why I had the damn right. So I'm not playing. They talking, they talking about. I'm talking to the people that's making happen. So I'm saying to you, all of this shit's going down. And it's like you could see they plotting. They talking about. I said, y' all gonna get this shut down. Do you the fuck you gonna sit up there and pay yourselves, but don't pay people that federal workers, whatever. They said, yo, Stephen A.

[DJ Wells]

It ain't us.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm like, I'm getting on them. And then they saying, listen, a continual resolution is just money that keeps the government running. Same bill all the time. In four years under Biden, we signed the shit 13 times. So they hating on Trump. Stephen A. That ain't on us. I said, yo, but what about Trump? Ain't he the art of the deal? Find a way to get shit done. So it's pressure on both of them, especially as the holidays are rolling up.

[Joe]

Trump can't possibly. Look, this ain't a political show, but what I do know is I know a couple of billionaires and hundreds of millionaires. They can't possibly know what the hard working average man is called. Billionaires, bro. You got the flip side. You got Mondami saying he's going to give him shit, but you don't always say America, Joe, you can't say that. Yo, the Dominicans broke. You ain't broke. No.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Don't you know how motherfuckers suffering?

[Joe]

Listen. Yes, I do.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right, you do.

[Joe]

Dominicans on my block, where my store's at, literally was telling me when Trump was going for president, Trump going to come free, Lent free this, they gave that ppp. Everybody thought PPP was coming. You can't put it right now. They ain't even got snap.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You hold it. But you can't put it on Trump because in that. I'm talking about what he said to what you said the Dominicans said. Because Trump ain't never told motherfuckers shit gonna be free.

[Joe]

Yeah, but they think that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He never said that. No, he ain't never said that.

[Joe]

No, no, but they think that. Okay, well, that ain't little America think because Trump is a big businessman, he's just gonna roll through and give money out to everybody. Which is not true, brother.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But what I'm saying to you is that at the end of the day, this is the biggest thing that we have to understand. And it's not politics, it's life in this regard. When Trump won, America said he closer to normal than the Democratic Party. Get back to normalcy. Talk about affordability, talk about safety, talk about the economy, talk about. When you're talking about the border. When you talk about the border. Obama deported more people than Trump. Never said a word. He just did it. You understand? I got on Joe Biden when you. I told him he messed up with Ketanji Brown Jackson, the black Supreme Court justice, not because he picked her. What the hell did you say beforehand? I'm gonna pick a black woman for. Just do it. Just do it. Because when you announced it, then you sat up there and all the white folks there were like, what if we said, that's a white person that's going to be picked? We'd have lost it. But you happy as a Democrat now that you got some leverage, that you could do it. And then you wonder where the fallout's going to be.

[Joe]

I told him, with Trump, let it go.

[Stephen A. Smith]

What you trying to put him in jail for? They did everything they could to prevent him from being the president. Trump ain't going after these people, man, because of the election. He going after these people because they tried to get the Than to spend the rest of his life in fucking prison. He approaching 80 years older. You tried to throw him behind bars. He coming. He coming. Like, wait a minute. You motherfuckers smiled on my face. You coming to my casinos? You coming to the hotel? Y' all all know we all sports fans. We saw Trump at all sporting events. We were all cool with him. We weren't calling them racist then. So it's like he looking at it, and he going like, yo, these trying to put me in prison. They ain't trying to get me. Like, okay, January 6th, insurrection. All of that I find. All right, I leave y'.

[Joe]

All.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know, y' all confirm Biden gonna be your president. I'm out. And you still coming for me. You trying to throw me in prison? The charges in New York. And what was the charge in New York? Oh, let's remind ourselves of this. 34 felony counts and all of this shit, it came down to 130,000 that he spent and hush money to a prostitute, a porn star. The porn star. Stormy Daniels or whatever her name is. So I'm going like this. Yeah, it's a little more complicated than that, but we simplify shit in the streets. All right, so he was fucking around with a porn star, and he wanted to keep her mouth shut so it didn't ruin his chances at the election in 2016. And y' all trying to tell me that ain't normal? Seriously. So none of y', all, I guess John Edwards, when he had the baby out of wedlock and he tried to hide it and get caught, he didn't try to pay off, I guess Gary Hart, when he had the mistress on the boat in the 80s, he didn't get caught. There you go. What about splitting in the old and Clinton in the Oval Office?

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[Joe]

Who the hell was volatile? Weiner.

[DJ Wells]

Weiner.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Oh, hey, hey, by the way y', all, Anthony. And by the way y', all, any of us who tried to. I did this to you. I did. Yes, it was me. Really. The only government official we ever saw do that. If you remember when Elliot Spitzer, the governor of New York got caught and then remember his number two, Patterson? He went out there and told everything and we were like this tide already. I damn. I mean, that's too much information. I mean, shit, he just tell it all we like. All right, we got it enough. You see what I'm saying? Because that's not some shit you do. What you usually do is you usually.

[Joe]

I think they opened a can of worms with by overreaching, trying to lock up. They locked him up in Atlanta to an X, Y, Z. Lucci, Yo, Trump came to the building. He said they was waiting for Trump in there, watching him on TV in Cook County. And so now he's locking everybody up.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He coming for him.

[Joe]

He coming for him. But what happens when the Democrat becomes president? Does he start locking everybody up? But see, the point is, here's what. It's almost like a third world country.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Here's what Trump is missing, the power, whether it's via executive orders or anything else. What he's making the mistake of doing is he's disrupting corrupting the system by empowering himself to exact revenge. The problem with that is if you open that Pandora's box, then there's a Democrat that might gain office one day that can have that power because you set that precedent and you've disrupted the democratic system that we've had in place because of your willingness to be autocratic, to exact a vengeance. Which is why I said to Representative Jim Jordan, you gonna really try to sit here and say it's not a vengeance tour? I'm thinking about the country. I'm thinking about, yo, we the ones that gotta live in the streets. I want it so me, you and everybody could have a party. Me, you, and everybody could live our lives under normal circumstances and just enjoy our shit, not having to worry about who trying to stab us, who's trying to shoot us, who's trying to frame us, who trying to do all of this shit.

[Joe]

Family members.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And none of them are thinking about shit like that. That's where you see me interested, because I know that I will resonate. And I'm telling you, I can't See it happening. But if I'm on a stage, I swear to God. I swear you will never.

[Joe]

Stephen A. I'm with. You will never see me.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You will never see me. You will never see me more prepared in my life. In my life. I wouldn't talk to anybody. Y' all wouldn't see me for about a month or two months because all I would be doing is studying every issue. Because when I come on stage, and. And they would need to be scared because they have a record. I don't. I ain't do shit politically. What you gonna say about me? I'm yelling on first date. You gonna say. You know, say you don't like what I said about some shit. So what's it. I'll be quick, fast, in a hurry, reminding everybody on the base stage, I ain't here to. To please you. I ain't here to hurt you.

[Joe]

You know what's crazy? I told somebody last that on that big game.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yep.

[Joe]

And I said, I want the job.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Which job?

[Joe]

Which I love. I'm not trying to.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, shit, you're the one that's using it for dramatic effect.

[Joe]

We just. Nah, nah. I said I want the job. It's rumors Clyde Frazier might be retiring. I said, I want to sit in this seat and be the Knicks. Yeah, yeah.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You ain't qualified.

[Joe]

I want the.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Stop. That don't work. I love you. I can't say support that. I can't support that. You be telling stories and while the plays are going on, you know.

[Joe]

Nothing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Man.

[Joe]

I told you I would go for you for president.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I know. I love you for it, too, bro, but I. I'm just saying they would be on you and we'd be missing the game.

[Joe]

Do you believe in me?

[Stephen A. Smith]

We'd be missing the game because of your story. You be. Let me tell you what happened on 132nd street of Park Avenue while motherfucker doing the. Duncan, you know that play by play guy. I gotta interrupt you to say somebody just scored and got fouled?

[Joe]

I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you what they don't. Hell, no.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Hell, no. I'll be like, no, that cannot happen.

[Joe]

That cannot happen.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I love you, Joe. Love you to death.

[Joe]

Musty tv. I'm telling you. But let me tell you something. The guy next to me told me, yo, you don't want 400,000 a year.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's right.

[Joe]

You said.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm surprised they paying him that much.

[Joe]

He said, you can't tour, you can't this, you can't that you can't this.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I got a confession to make right in front of your face because you're my man. I love you to death. So I got to tell you, I can't say this behind your back and not say it in front of your face. I blame you for the Yankees losing to the Dodgers last year. You full of, Steve.

[Joe]

You full of. Yo.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I was very mad at you for doing that. You know, I said, no, that. That's for the Knicks. That's not for the Yankees. You ain't identified with the Yankees like you are with. It doesn't matter. You're not identified with the Yankees. No, I'm dead serious. I've been eating glizzies and Yankees Stadium ahead of time. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care. I don't care.

[Joe]

You, me up.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Steve.

[Joe]

Let me tell you something.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Let me tell you. After Ice Cube did that, rolled up in front of the Yankees dog rankies. I mean, in front of the Yankees that bow down when you come to our town.

[Joe]

I said.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I said, this ain't Joel's Lane. This is not the gate. This is not the niche. You the Garden. You ain't Yankee Stadium.

[Joe]

Let me tell you something.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You ain't Yankee Stadium.

[Joe]

I am Yankee Stadium. And let me tell you something. I got.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm telling you, I'm out of it. I'm telling you. Each his own bottle patrol. I was like, this is not good.

[Joe]

They put a delay in my shit, Okay? I practiced three times that day. They put a delay in my ears so the shit could be fucked up. It was Fox Stadium.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It was at Yankee Stadium. You were in New York. How do you let that happen? And you grew up five minutes away from breaking down. And if I want to hear that.

[Joe]

What I tell you is I rehearsed. I got to get somebody for the Yankees in this motherfucker. I rehearsed three times that day. It was no delay. When it came on, it was a delay. Now, I gotta be real with you, Ice Cube. Great day was a good day. That shit was.

[Stephen A. Smith]

He tore that shit out. It was like the beat to words.

[Joe]

He doesn't.

[Stephen A. Smith]

And what he said. I have his audio was. And how he did it. Like, when he told him to bow down, he was right in front of their face putting it on him. Like I said, it hurt my feelings. See the Yankees like that.

[Joe]

It hurt my feelings. Trying to tell you. I got monsters, too. They put a delay on my ear. I got It.

[Stephen A. Smith]

But you five minutes away. Nobody want to hear that. Monsters, Jada.

[Joe]

Monsters.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You know what that compares to? Are you ready for this? I'm glad you sitting down for this. You know what I'm comparing his excuse to? Cause I'm not saying that. It wasn't the delaying when they came off. When you. Look, Senator, ain't no bullshit. Bullshit.

[Joe]

It's true.

[Stephen A. Smith]

It's true. It is. You know what I'm comparing this to? When Deontay Wilder lost a rematch to TYSON Fury. Not 3 2. When he lost two to Fury and blamed it on his costume.

[Joe]

His head was heavy. His thing was heavy.

[Stephen A. Smith]

See what I'm saying?

[Joe]

No, his costume. Yo, stop it.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Who put the costume on?

[Joe]

He did.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Who made the costume?

[Joe]

He did.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Who tried it on before the fight? I mean. What are you talking about?

[Joe]

You know, I'm the Tyson Fury of the game. You talking to the wrong guy. No, what I'm trying to tell you is this. I'm not. I'mma tell you the truth. I perform every day. I never have a problem. I rehearsed three times that day. When I went there, they put a delay on my shit. That wasn't me. That was a technical.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yo, bro, it has nothing to do with the song. I'm not saying the song was bad or nothing. I'm saying you're not synonymous with the Yankees.

[Joe]

I am.

[Stephen A. Smith]

I'm saying you're dishonomous with the Knicks. The Knick is. I don't care who you think they should have put. You know. They should have put holes for somebody. They should put holes. I'm just saying. You or the Knicks. Knicks.

[Joe]

No, I'm in the Garden.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Even though you asked in Miami, half the time, you in the Garden. We know it.

[Joe]

That's home.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That's home.

[Joe]

Yankees.

[Stephen A. Smith]

You look like a visitor. I'm five and you look like a visitor.

[Joe]

I'm 165th and 20, and you look like a visitor.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Nah, man, I was very displeased. I was very dis. I did not want to see you trying to talk to the Dodgers. No, I hate somebody else.

[Joe]

I ain't want to talk to the.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, I'm just saying, after Ice Cube did what he did, we got to answer that.

[Jada]

You know what we should have did?

[Joe]

Nothing.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, probably right. Should have left the. Couldn't hit.

[Joe]

Anyway, first of all, that was one of the things. That was one of the highlights of my life. What do you mean?

[Stephen A. Smith]

Well, I'm happy for you, but y' all lost.

[Joe]

I can't. I'm not Playing the game.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Stephen Day judge drops the ball.

[Joe]

We was up 5, 2.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Ice Cube with their head. Ice Cube with their head. The game. He did. That's not you. Now you at the Garden. Oh, that would be sensational. But not Yankee Stadium.

[Joe]

Hey, we got a chance of going in the Garden, too.

[Stephen A. Smith]

When you do that, I'll be there to support you for that one. But I was not. I would have told you not to do the Yankees. Me too. I said no, no, they called me. And you and I. They call the Yankees. Actually, I did a commercial for if they won the World Series. So I think you got me a bag that you never used.

[Joe]

Yeah, I shot a first bag on that. But Nike engaged, right, too. I never used this out. This ain't that.

[Stephen A. Smith]

That ain't this. It's cracking. Kiss is Stephen A. Smith.

[Joe]

Y'?

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[Joe]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Joe]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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[Joe]

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[Joe]

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[Stephen A. Smith]

So, usually on okay Storytime, our audience will send in their relationship problems. And the okay Storytime squad gives some good advice Goofily. But today, we're not giving out our usual advice. Our producer Riley says we're giving something else. So what are we doing today, Riley? Today we're playing a little game. Oh, I love game. Game, says the man. I bought special gifts for you guys from ebay. Each one picked with one of you in mind. Yeah, Dakota, if you want to guess.

[DJ Wells]

All right.

[Stephen A. Smith]

There is a gift at my feet. Open that thing. And now it is in my hands. Oh, I feel like it's got to be our resident gamer kiosk. This is the rectangle of childhood.

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[Jada]

I used to have this as a kid.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

And you know when your mom came into the room when you're a kid and like, you're pretending to sleep.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, right. Thank you so much, Riley. You're crushing it.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, let's open it.

[Joe]

Boom. Oh, camera.

[Stephen A. Smith]

Yeah, an old timey camera.

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[Stephen A. Smith]

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