The Alchemist & Hit-Boy on 'Goldfish' collab & WILD Drake, Eminem & Jay-Z stories

Summary

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Joe and Jada – The Alchemist & Hit-Boy on ‘Goldfish’ Collab & WILD Drake, Eminem & Jay-Z Stories

Podcast Date: October 9, 2025
Hosts: Fat Joe, Jadakiss (Jada)
Guests: The Alchemist, Hit-Boy

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Episode Overview

In this electrifying episode, hip-hop legends Fat Joe and Jadakiss sit down with powerhouse producers The Alchemist and Hit-Boy to chop it up about their highly anticipated joint project Goldfish—an album and a film. The conversation is packed with untold industry stories, behind-the-boards insights about hits for Jay-Z, Kanye, Drake, Nas, and Eminem, and real talk about surviving the music business. Expect candid reflections, wild stories, and plenty of laughter as four icons celebrate decades in hip-hop.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Origin and Collaboration for "Goldfish"

[06:20, 44:11]

• Fat Joe immediately jumps into how natural it feels for Alchemist and Hit-Boy to finally collaborate, given their dominance on producer lists in recent years.
• Hit-Boy: “Every end-of-the-year list…be like Alchemist, Hit-Boy, top producer lists and shit. So for us to tap in, it just, you know, it made sense.” [06:39]
• The new project is both an album and a film, featuring Conway, Boldy James, J Worth, Big Hit, and Havoc. The partnership was organic—stemming from a track they did together years back.
• Alchemist: “It started from a record that we did together…he saw I just did a verse on the Larry June…he was like, ‘Yo, would you get on this joint?’…We did a record and it went up.” [48:15]

2. Deep Dive into Hit-Boy’s Legendary Productions

Flashbacks and Studio Stories [07:03–15:41]

• "N****s in Paris": Hit describes making the beat as a kid, flying to New York, sessions with Jay and Ye, and Kanye's prophetic call:

  "He hit me like, bro, we just did this song out in Paris, and when this drop, your life about to change. Nigga was right.” [08:04, Hit-Boy]

• "Sicko Mode":

  "Travis hit me like, bro, I got a session with Drake. I need you to send me some bombs. And I sent the ‘Sicko Mode’ beat. That nigga FaceTimed me the next day, going crazy…But he was like, we’re gonna have to hold this shit to the next album. So I had to hold that beat for two years.” [08:22, Hit-Boy]

• Other Hits: Sessions and stories behind “Click,” “Backseat Freestyle,” “Goldie,” and work with Nas on King’s Disease.
• Nas’ relentless studio ethic detailed:

  “That N**** pulled up for three years straight. We did six albums.” [12:36, Hit-Boy]

3. Surviving the Business: Deals and Publishing Nightmares

Authentic Industry Real Talk [13:41–17:24]

• Joe and Hit-Boy detail their struggles with early publishing deals:

  “I got robbed for like 14 years… He wasn’t giving them the permission for me to be on a soundtrack and he wanted double the money. And I never seen him.” [14:02, Joe]
  “I signed the deal one year out of high school… 50 racks sounded like everything at that time." [15:57, Hit-Boy]

• Anecdotes about losing money, including Fat Joe’s saga with a stolen Lexus after his first advance.

4. Producer Perspectives and Evolution

Alchemist’s Journey & White Mafia Jokes [19:24, 54:43–56:36]

• The Alchemist reminisces on Fat Joe being the first major artist to rap on one of his beats (the “Tequila Sunrise” remix for Cypress Hill, 1996).
• The importance of trusting your gut, chasing the passion over “age limits,” and never losing the thrill:

  “I still feel like I could get better. I feel like we got unfinished business…It’s not a young man’s sport. They gotta stop talking about that.” [54:43, The Alchemist]

• Joe jokes about Alchemist being part of a “White Mafia” in hip-hop alongside Eminem, Paul Rosenberg, and others, digging into how industry alliances work.

  “He got like this…y’all got a White Mafia bing bong…Who reaches out—Eminem or Paul?” [56:41–57:24]

5. Wild Studio Tales & Hip-Hop History

Inside Scarce Sessions, Old School Gatekeeping [31:21–39:39]

• The struggle of rappers getting “A-level” beats, with producers saving their best for certain MCs.

  “I used to hate these producers…They come in the studio to bring us beats, and they be playing some shit. They’d be like, ‘Oh, this is for Hov…’ Like, what you giving me, I’m chopped liver?” [31:21, Joe]

• Unbelievable stories:
  • An apple-on-the-head gun stunt with Big Pun during a studio session.
  • Early crew rivalries and how being in certain collectives shaped opportunities and resistance, especially when Joe joined up with LL Cool J and got some blowback from Diggin’ in the Crates purists.

6. The Making and Meaning behind "Goldfish"

Creative Process, Spitting vs. Producing, and Album Details [44:11–49:48]

• The “Goldfish” title metaphor:

  “Life be like that. We be stuck in a bowl, just going in circles and shit sometimes…It’s a couple meanings when you see it…” [44:11, Hit-Boy]

• Both artists rap and produce, breaking traditional barriers:

  “I was making my own songs before I made beats…and the beat shit was just on some fun shit for me…replaced playing video games with making beats, ‘cause the FL studio looked like Tetris.” [44:30, Hit-Boy]

• Authenticity is key:

  “I don’t care where the beat came from, long as it’s knocking.” [44:54, Fat Joe]

• The album is in sync with a movie, intentionally eschewing a compilation feel, focusing instead on chemistry and unity.

7. The Attached Short Film

Behind the Film, Artistic Ambition [60:11–61:02]

• The film is not just a series of music videos—it has a full narrative with actors like Danny Trejo, Simon Rex, Conway, shot on 16mm film:

  “It’s a real beginning, middle, end type shit…some high-level art.” [60:56, Hit-Boy]

8. Cultural Shoutouts and Miami Nights

Tales from the Strip Club, Yankees Game, and Bruno Mars Encounter [45:49–47:34, 64:07–68:05]

• Candid, hilarious recaps of misadventures at Starlet’s, and a Yankees game bet gone right…or wrong.
• Bruno Mars Story: Joe’s bittersweet tale of finally meeting Bruno Mars, asking if he was Puerto Rican, and Bruno responding aggressively before storming off.

  “He got up—the f*** you mean? I’m a real Puerto Rican from Bushwick, Brooklyn. Don’t ever ask me shit in your life.” [65:08, Joe]

• Reflection on how meeting people you look up to can “break your heart.”

9. Eminem & Jay-Z Stories: Work Ethic, Perfectionism, and Support

Mad Respect for Eminem [59:07–60:08]

• Alchemist: “You think we work hard. I've never seen nobody work like him to this day…the level that, like, right now he's in the studio right now.” [59:07]
• Joe shares that Eminem once called to talk him out of retirement:

  “It was Marshall…he talked to me for two hours, like, ‘Yo, Joe…you still got it.’” [57:39, Joe]

• Eminem sent “the same verse 30 times” for the “Lean Back” remix, each with tiny differences:

  "It was the same verse, but he would say the word a little different...and it’s like 30 times. Is this the one?" [59:52, Joe]

• Jay-Z (“Hov”) credited with helping Hit-Boy out of a restrictive publishing deal:

  "Ho pulled that power play…got me an end date…’cause I didn’t have no end dates on my [publishing]." [13:54, Hit-Boy]

10. Legacy, Camaraderie, and Respect in Hip-Hop

Producer Camaraderie, Unity, and Tour Hopes [49:15–50:15, 74:03–74:43]

• The mutual respect between top producers is stronger than with lyricists; producers “all f*** with each other.”
• The podcast wraps with a toast to Goldfish, snippets from the project, and talk of possible touring.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Kanye’s warning:

  “We just did this song out in Paris, and when this drop, your life about to change. Nigga was right.”
  — Hit-Boy, [08:04]

• On industry politics:

  “I used to hate these producers…They come in the studio…‘Oh, this is for Hov…’ Like, what you giving me, I’m chopped liver?”
  — Joe, [31:21]

• On talent aging:

  “It’s not a young man’s sport. They gotta stop talking about that…Why can’t we all be at the top together?”
  — The Alchemist, [54:43]

• On beat-sharing issues:

  “Fuji La…made for Fat Joe. Lauryn Hill came like two hours later and was like, ‘Oh, no, not Fat Joe. This is my shit.’”
  — Joe, [40:14]

• On the meaning of "Goldfish":

  “We be stuck in a bowl, just going in circles and shit sometimes…”
  — Hit-Boy, [44:11]

• On Eminem’s perfectionism:

  “He sent the same verse 30 times...with a different tone or cadence...He’s a perfectionist.”
  — Joe, [59:52]

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Important Timestamps

• [06:20] – Discussion of Hit-Boy & Alchemist's dominance and partnership
• [07:15] – Hit-Boy on making “N****s in Paris”
• [08:16] – Process behind “Sicko Mode”
• [12:23] – Making the King’s Disease trilogy with Nas
• [13:41] – Hit-Boy & Fat Joe on bad publishing deals
• [19:24] – Alchemist reflects on Joe rapping to his first major beat
• [31:21] – Stories about producers saving beats for “Hov” or “Big”
• [39:39] – Clearing up the legendary “Bring It On” beat situation
• [44:11] – The meaning and ethos of “Goldfish”
• [47:34] – Recap of wild times at Starlett’s and Yankees game
• [54:43] – Alchemist on evolving and longevity
• [57:39] – Joe on Eminem’s encouragement during tough times
• [59:52] – The perfectionism behind Eminem’s verses
• [60:11] – Film concept and shooting “Goldfish” movie
• [74:03] – Plans for a “Goldfish” tour and project wrap-up

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Final Thoughts

This episode is pure, unfiltered hip-hop storytelling. Alchemist and Hit-Boy’s chemistry is palpable, both as legends in the game and as hungry artists never content to rest on their laurels. Fat Joe and Jada keep the conversation breezy and hilarious but never shy away from real talk—about industry pitfalls, creative evolution, and the highs and lows of legendary careers.

Don’t miss: Live exclusive playbacks from “Goldfish,” back-to-back gems about Jay-Z, Drake, Eminem, and honest lessons about longevity, loyalty, and knowing your worth.

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“We just make good songs together, you know. And this just, you know, just became something, you know what I mean?”
— Hit-Boy on the creation of "Goldfish" [48:52]

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Transcript

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[The Alchemist]

You realize you were the first big artist to ever rap on a beat of mine?

[Fat Joe]

Oh man, I'm a cap for you today.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna cap.

[The Alchemist]

I'm capping for you today. Hold on, let me. Yo, I bet you don't even.

[Joe Budden]

What's up, y'?

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All?

[Joe Budden]

It's the biggest in the game. Joe Crack the dawn.

[Fat Joe]

No, it is your boy Jada. This is the Joe and Jada Show Every show legendary. Every show iconic. And today is another one of those ladies and gentlemen super let.

[Joe Budden]

You gotta go a little more legendary on the internment.

[Fat Joe]

Excuse his cutting me off.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

But ladies and gentlemen, viewers, people with ears. If you love music, if you love authentic hip hop, if you love the culture, please make some noise for our guest today. Hit boy and my brother, alchemy.

[Joe Budden]

You got Beethoven and Mozart's of the fucking of the 25th century. These motherfuckers is hieroglyphics, man. These ain't even icons. These are different type of solicitors up on the program over here. These guys were giving you. They've been. If you don't know who they are, they've been making your head. Not for the last 20, 30 years. How. How long?

[The Alchemist]

I mean for me.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I started the Alchemist. You need that rewind. We need a white boy on the COVID I gotta talk to you. Boxer rewind get you that bad. Why fight the time when you could rewind the time Sometimes that like Lego.

[The Alchemist]

It looks like Lego.

[Joe Budden]

No, no, not this time. Don't with me. This the real you. Don't you be switching up shades. No, my. Yeah, yeah, my is.

[Fat Joe]

Let me hear.

[The Alchemist]

No, no.

[Joe Budden]

He say he don't like the fake looking shoes. My shit don't look fake.

[Fat Joe]

No, I don't.

[Joe Budden]

My shit is soothing to the skin. It's my product. I'm trying to make you money while you sleep. Yeah. Here boy. One thing you gonna do is you gonna throw that on. Man. It was 90 degrees yesterday. I seen you with a fur coat on in the. In the middle of the.

[Hit-Boy]

You don't give up sacrifice for the fly man.

[Joe Budden]

You in the entertainment zone, right?

[Hit-Boy]

Like 100.

[Joe Budden]

Like I've seen artists back in the day. Diana Ross referred coats in the summer. Like, who gets. We gotta adapt to any. You know. I adapt to any weather. That's what I'm trying to say.

[Hit-Boy]

You had to listen in that Stone Island. So they gave us some like custom pieces, you know. Yeah, you gotta throw that on Shout.

[Fat Joe]

Out to Stone island, away from. You know what I mean? I. I've been connected, but it ain't.

[Joe Budden]

It ain't.

[Fat Joe]

Plymouth Rock didn't land nobody.

[Joe Budden]

Give us. I don't give free.

[Hit-Boy]

Y' all got a crazy setup in here, though. This is nice.

[Joe Budden]

No. The game. But thank you. Okay. He makes that. My business partner always wanted to be humble about this. They say I'm not delusional.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

Like I know we the biggest in the game. We moving the whole culture. We the guys 100. You know, we play a record, change their singles. Be careful. Y' all got new music here. Yeah, because I guarantee you gonna change the single. Whatever you play, whatever you play here becomes the single. Tiana Taylor came and said I played the 13th song on the album became her single. Too many people I see came here and played.

[Fat Joe]

That was the single. See what he's doing.

[Joe Budden]

Came up in here in the country with a sombrero, 5 million views. It changed this single. We are controlling the culture right now. We're not delusional.

[The Alchemist]

You're not lying, man.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, but listen, we love you, man. You ain't bringing Erykah Badu to this one. I didn't even. That Erykah Badu over here, huh?

[The Alchemist]

She gonna pull up, man. It only time.

[Fat Joe]

We ain't gonna talk. We ain't gonna. We gonna get into y' all new project. Y' all collaborating in a minute, but it only makes sense for y' all to do something together because I've been controlling the.

[The Alchemist]

I've been controlling shit for the past.

[Fat Joe]

How does that just feel?

[Hit-Boy]

I mean, shit, the last. What about five years? Every end of the year list is. It'd be like Alchemist, hit boy, top only producer list and shit. So for us to tap in, it just, you know, it made sense, you know, I mean, I got hella respect for bro and obviously legendary. And I'm getting to learn from you know what I mean? I'm a student in this shit. I'm always trying to learn, trying to pick up new techniques, new ways to think about shit. And I'll just. He got that game for sure.

[Fat Joe]

I'm gonna drop some titles and you just give us. What was it like making it? What was the. What was the whole journey when I named these joints? First things first in Paris.

[Hit-Boy]

Oh, damn straightforward.

[Fat Joe]

Let's not even play with it.

[Hit-Boy]

Man.

[Joe Budden]

You foul for making.

[Hit-Boy]

Nah, I mean, bro, that shit's still ringing off. I just what seen ho do it.

[Fat Joe]

At the last Beyonce show in.

[Hit-Boy]

There's a hundred thousand motherfuckers in there that went crowd. But I mean, I was just a kid, excited, making beats, having fun with this shit, you know what I mean? I flew out here to New York. I did some records with HOV and ye on that. Never seen the light of day. I was hyping on them records and shit. I'm going back to the city, telling the homies, man, I got HOV rapping on my shit. Yeah. And then none of them joints became anything like the beat for N in Paris. Was just a beat. I had emailed ye, like, months prior. Wasn't thinking about this shit at all. He hit me like, bro, we just did this song out in Paris, and when this drop, your life about to change. Nigga was right.

[Joe Budden]

That's what he said, man.

[Hit-Boy]

That's what he mean.

[Fat Joe]

Let's talk about this one.

[Joe Budden]

Sicko mode.

[Hit-Boy]

Oh, yeah. I mean, I did the first part of it.

[Joe Budden]

My.

[Hit-Boy]

And I mean, I did the first part of it. You know what I mean? Like the Drake part. Me and my boy Roger produced that together. And that actually is crazy because I did some On Travis album that came out prior to Astroworld, Birds in the Trap. I did a song called Way Back the Day that came out, Birds in the Trap. Travis hit me like, bro, I got a big session tonight. I got some. I got a session with Drake. I need you to send me some bombs. And I sent the sickle mo beat. That nigga FaceTimed me the next day, going crazy playing the joint. But he was like, we're gonna have to hold this shit to the next album. So I had to hold that beat for two years.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but you knew that was. That was a force field. You knew that whenever that shit. No, that was. Come on in Paris, the Sycamore, them joints, that's unconscious, like, you know what I'm saying? When we heard Sycamore, just as fans, that was unfucking real. And that was something that my daughter kept, like, I think Covet, right? That just was like. That was playing in Coven.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, it was, right.

[Joe Budden]

Legendary. You know, I had a kakuzi in Covet, so I was scared to go to the pool. So I had like a little round koozie. And every day.

[Hit-Boy]

What's the koozie?

[Joe Budden]

But it ain't quite a Jacuzzi. It's a cocoon mixed with maybe like a 300 plastic filled up with water, sitting in the sun. In Miami, like, I wasn't with nobody here. I had the cucuzzi.

[Hit-Boy]

The cucuzzi.

[Joe Budden]

But that Sycamore heavy.

[Fat Joe]

Let me ask you about some more.

[Hit-Boy]

Hold on.

[Fat Joe]

Click.

[Hit-Boy]

Damn. Click.

[Joe Budden]

Nobody messing with my click. I was there for that.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, Shout my name. Big Sean, too. You know what I mean? We. We've been. We didn't have all type of platinum records and shit, but, yeah, first time I heard that, I was actually. I was in the Hamptons working on Beyonce album. And ye brought the final version through right before he put the album out. Cold. Was it cold Summer, Some shit like that. And yeah, I did a few records on there, but click. That's just, you know, they all snapped on that shit.

[Fat Joe]

Speaking of Beyonce, let's go right into feeling myself. What was. How you pause? What's that like, man?

[Hit-Boy]

Again, bro? Just having joints, like, you know, she invited me to the stool. She was at record playing Beyonce, and I went and played some beats for her. She did that joint, and next thing I know, Nikki was on it. She used that shit for the album. They did a video all like, yeah, I got more.

[Fat Joe]

Drop the world, man. Lil Wayne featuring Eminem.

[Hit-Boy]

Oh, yeah. That was like. That was the first time people really in the hip hop world start seeing, you know, like, my name and on bigger platform, you know, I mean, that was probably the first, like, platinum song I had produced. Me and my boy chasing cash out, chasing cash and yeah, just young. That was like 2010, bro. That was the first one I was. That was before streaming and all that. So I'm on the itunes charts watching that just go up and it went to number one. I'm like, damn, that was crazy for me.

[Fat Joe]

Super fire Backseat freestyle, man. Kendrick Lamar, man.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, I had. I went to Vegas with TDE and Kendrick before he put out Good kid Mad City. We was just locked in on joints again. That was another one where it's like he had put his vocals on some other beats, and I was like, hype off that shit. He like, bro, I fuck with them joints, but let me. Let me hear a few more beats type shit. Him and Dave Free pulled up to my crib. That was one of the first beats I played. He was like, this is it. Took it, rolled to it, and he was on tour. He texted me like, bro, we got one. He's like, this on the album for sure. Yeah, good man.

[Fat Joe]

Goldie, asap, Rocky, man, I up because.

[Hit-Boy]

I. I got invited to that video with him and yams in Paris, and I didn't make it. I don't know why I didn't go, but that would have been a crazy look, you know what I mean? RPMs and, you know. Yeah, go. That was like. That was really, bro. Like, first single on a major label type shit, you know what I mean? So that was pivotal moment like that, you know, help both, you know, go into that stratosphere fire.

[Fat Joe]

Now let's talk about the King's disease trilogy. How you. What happened?

[Hit-Boy]

Esco just called you and said, man, really? My boy Double right here was with bro. Yeah, they was doing double business. I seen Double post Nas on his story. I just hit that nigga like, bro, you gotta have This N pull up.

[Fat Joe]

Literally.

[Hit-Boy]

He like, man, he gonna slide tomorrow. I'm thinking, niggas bullshitting. He slid and was opening my ideas. I had some hook ideas with, like, Don Tolliver that ended up going on the album. I had some Anderson pa. I just was playing in my ideas and he was laying verses and really with me. So I'm like, he. He like, after the session, he like, I'm gonna keep pulling up. I'm thinking like, come on. This, Nas. This ain't gonna keep pulling up. That N pulled up for three years straight. We did six hours.

[Joe Budden]

Let me ask you the N process. Does he take long to spit a verse? Because he looked like one of them guys tape long. This.

[Hit-Boy]

No. I mean, if he looks for sure, it's like, if it's the right beat.

[Joe Budden]

I don't know how you.

[Fat Joe]

We threw up.

[Hit-Boy]

We put out 80 songs in three years.

[The Alchemist]

He was.

[Fat Joe]

He was being do I ain't to this people already.

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Yeah.

[Hit-Boy]

He was speeding through 80 songs in three years. Hell, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

I like that car 85. That car 85 was my. On that album. I really loved that first album. Know what I'm saying? That car 85 and 88. They call me Baby Face.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah.

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Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

That was hard.

[Hit-Boy]

Snap.

[Joe Budden]

That was hard.

[Hit-Boy]

Charlie Wilson singing on that.

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[Joe Budden]

That was hard.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Now the valleys and peaks in the industry just got out of a publishing deal.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Home helped you get out of that.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to Ho. He always coming through.

[Hit-Boy]

Shout out to him and Desiree Day. I mean, over there.

[Joe Budden]

No.

[Hit-Boy]

Pulled that power play, man, and got me an end date because I didn't have no end dates on my.

[Joe Budden]

I got robbed for like 14 years.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah.

[Joe Budden]

My is different. He came to me like, yo, we the only Latinos in the industry. And this and that robbed me in pun. 14 years, man.

[Fat Joe]

And you didn't slap him?

[Joe Budden]

Couldn't that nigga. We never saw him.

[Fat Joe]

Who he got. He got missing after that.

[Joe Budden]

Nah, he's just. He's in a different. He's kid. It's Jelly Bean Benitez, and he hanging out with Madonna and them. He ain't coming around our shit. So if he would have came around, allegedly, you know what's up, right? But he's nowhere to be, you know what I'm saying? He was nowhere to be found. So we in different circles, but eventually, like, you know what happened to me Beat this. I did a soundtrack, right? And I asked him for 150,000. Yeah, right. I'm like, yo. And I did the song, and I Said, y' all need 150,000 at that time. I was really going for that bread at that time. And they said, hold up. We ain't approve it all the way. Yeah. I said, why? He said, well, your publisher's asking for 300. I said, what? I ain't see this man in 14 years. That's when it was like, oh, no, we got the finder. This is. You gotta find a. This gotta find his way outta here. Because I didn't know this guy was raping me on that level. He wasn't giving them the permission for me to be on a soundtrack. And he wanted double the money. And I never seen him. A man never gave me. What year you got out of that $2,000 check, man? Just before laying back. So I got the next song was laying back.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, I think.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, that happened.

[Host/Announcer]

Beat.

[Joe Budden]

And so with you, how did they get you for the. The publishing that was like raping you records, huh?

[Hit-Boy]

I mean, I was one year out of high school.

[Fat Joe]

Why you gotta use my label, man?

[Joe Budden]

Yesterday I came up with some ill labels.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, no, I mean, I heard. I signed the deal one year out of high school at 19. I mean, 50 racks sounded like everything at that time.

[Joe Budden]

Same thing with me. I bought the Lexus for 49, 950. They stole that the first day I went to Fun Master Flex birthday party. Robbed the whole garage. I'm all over Brooklyn, Mop, everybody was with me looking for the Lexus. Let me tell you something, you talking about all the way up there. The 50 they gave me, they stole the car the first fucking day.

[The Alchemist]

Mop was looking for the Lexus too.

[Joe Budden]

With me, the whole Brooklyn. Because one of the guys, one of the guys got caught. So they robbed the whole garage. It was a Palladium from Master Flex Birth.

[Fat Joe]

Robbed all the cars, the whole garage.

[Joe Budden]

He took the Mexican man, robbed him palladium around the corner. They robbed the whole garage. And he fly car. One of them got caught. He happened to be from Brooklyn. So we studied. We was all over Brooklyn, all over Brooklyn looking for this fucking Lexus in every garage. Every Mop was with us. Frank, Billy, everybody running through. What's the little guy down with them too? What's my little man? Damn, man, Fox all of them. But anyway, we a thousand deep, drop the whole Brooklyn. New Fat Joe's looking for this Lexus. We all over it.

[Fat Joe]

Come on, man.

[Joe Budden]

Let me tell you something. Let me tell you the story. Three months later, I'm like one day to getting my $50,000 check back. They find A fucking Lexus. I wanted my 50,000 back. I might have had a G in the bank account, B. I was like, yo, I'm gonna get 50 back, yo. Chill. I made a mistake with the Lexus one day. Your Lexus has been found. I'm like, fuck, I ain't want that shit found. I want 50,000 extreme. They found. No, this guy was driving it like it was his car. When they found that, he had car seat in the back, kids books. This guy was driving his kids to school. He owned the Lexus for three months. You can't tell nobody to this day. He probably in Brooklyn. Like, yo, remember you had the LS4. Yeah, you know, that's how that go. You know what I'm saying?

[Hit-Boy]

But it's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

We got it back, but I know about that, man.

[Fat Joe]

How's it working with your pops, man? Did a lot of time. I just came from the prisons talking to the dudes up north. Shout out to Marcy and Mid State. He was working with him.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, he backed down right now, man. Free him. You know, I mean, it was a 30 year, you know, I mean, saga dealing with this my whole life, you know? You know, that is a roller coaster, man. He really is who we say he is, you know what I mean? Like, he really bought that shit. So it's kind of hard to tame that. But, you know, I'll be doing the best I can, just trying to keep that busy, keep him working. He was on stage when Kendrick got the pop out. Yeah, your songs with Snoop, whole album with Game.

[Joe Budden]

What's the problem if he keeps going back? Like, what is it? Is it like substance abuse? Is it like he's just a real.

[Fat Joe]

Nigga, Stand on his stand.

[Joe Budden]

I want to be a real. At home. Yeah.

[Hit-Boy]

Nah, for sure. No, same, same. Oh, God, I couldn't imagine, bro, he being, you know, being around niggas all day, bro. Hell nah, fuck that. But, you know, he. He's just a wild dude. He don't really follow rules.

[Joe Budden]

Impulsive.

[Hit-Boy]

He don't follow rules, man.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, Alchemist. You ready for the alchemist? Or you got like. I mean, you know, your alchemist. I'll tell you something. We prepared for him. You, we know you like the back of the head, bro. We like. My favorite beat I ever rapped to in my whole career of 30 something years is definition of a don.

[Hit-Boy]

Wow.

[Joe Budden]

It's my favorite. I say it all the time. I don't know if you see it on interviews or whatever the case.

[The Alchemist]

That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

It's cause he's is such a real song. Real. The beat is just when I hear that, that, you know, if you ever want to know the real Fat Joe, you listen to that song. That's Fat Joe telling you that's the real Fat Joe. Like, it ain't like I made a song for this and that. That, that's like me definition describing the autobiography of my life. Definition of a dawn that should get thrown out. I'm like, yo, my God, man.

[The Alchemist]

But I remember that. You don't even know how much I bet there's some shit you forgot. You realize. You realize you were the first big artist to ever rap on a beat of mine.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, man, I'm a cap for you today.

[Joe Budden]

I'm gonna cap.

[The Alchemist]

I'm capping for you today. Hold on, let me. Yo, I bet you don't even remember. You remember the Cypress Hill remix, Tequila Sunrise? I was just underneath mugs at the time. I was still living in la. You weren't even flying yet.

[Joe Budden]

You had the tour bus.

[The Alchemist]

I don't forget none of this shit because this was a big, you know, Muggs was giving me a shot. Like, yo, you gonna do the remix and we gonna get Fat Joe on it. And that was a big break for me. Like, yo, it's Tequila Sunrise remix, man.

[Joe Budden]

Not only you saying that I get goosebumps right now because Cypress Hills is only, you know, us being Latino, me and Pun, they were pretty much the only guys we looked up to. You know what I'm saying? They set the bar so it was like, yo, we want to be like Cypress Hills. You know what I'm saying? Like they was like on another level of. You know what I mean? They were the only guys we could look up to. And what's crazy is we still look up to them. You know what I'm saying? So those guys. But damn, I ain't know that. You know, I've been around a long time. You know, you guys are producers.

[Hit-Boy]

What year was that?

[The Alchemist]

96.

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[Joe Budden]

Scott Storch. You know, I changed his life. They was raped. Talk about it. That was. That was the reverse rapism they had that. That boy doing all them fucking hits and they wouldn't give him credit. Yeah. And so Rob Reef. Too low. By the way, only A R that I ever. One of the greatest ears from one of the greatest. Changed my life, made me millionaire. This guy Rob Reese Tulo. Cause the other day I shitted on A and R's. What I don't like.

[The Alchemist]

He's a different breed.

[Joe Budden]

He's from that era.

[The Alchemist]

Rob was the best, maybe ever. And even back in those days, he made sure I got my bread, even if it was a little bit, because they didn't have to do that shit. He was one of those guys, like, I don't know, hats off to, you know, to Reef, man. Straight up.

[Joe Budden]

Let me explain. I don't even want to go there because I don't want to turn this interview into a CAP interview. Right?

[Fat Joe]

But thank you.

[Joe Budden]

What I can say go. Let me tell you something, Rob Reef Tulo changed my life. You know what I'm saying? He heard. You know what I'm saying? I was working with Biggie on a project and he came and divide and conquer. He said, yo, you doing this work with Biggie? I said, yeah, I only had two albums before that. I had no money, no nothing. Flo Jo. None of that shit. Made money. Sold records, this, this and that. He was like, yo, I want to give you your own label. He Took me to Atlantic and. Because I was gonna put out a project with Biggie. It's the only reason I never sold. I didn't deserve my own record label.

[The Alchemist]

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. You had records with Biggie?

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Where you at? Under A rock. I'm trying to tell you, that's all you gotta.

[The Alchemist]

They never came.

[Joe Budden]

That's the inception. That's the exception of Cap Joe.

[The Alchemist]

Okay?

[Joe Budden]

Cause I told people I was doing a. Man, I don't. Where are these records? Listen, I don't have it. No, no, no, no. How come? Ms. Snow, I'm too real. He know I ain't gonna lie.

[The Alchemist]

Never.

[Joe Budden]

Me and Biggie was cutting records. He want to be the Black Dawn. I'm the Spanish Dawn. Some people call it Cap. Whatever. This is crazy. But Rob Tullo, as the A R of Atlantic, heard that I was doing this project and stepped to me and was like, yo, you doing it? And I'm like, yeah. And he was like, yo. Yo, I want to give you your own record label. I didn't even deserve the record label at the time. All the million dollars. I might have had two grand in my fucking bank account.

[The Alchemist]

But you had Pun already, right?

[Joe Budden]

No, not yet.

[The Alchemist]

This was tss. This is Terror Squad Records, right?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, but this is the beginning. This is before or nothing like that. It was just me. I only had two albums out. Hustling is the key to success of Flo Jo. So Rob came and gave me millions. My own record label. And that's why they gave me my record label. Because he was like, if Biggie fucking with this guy. Fat Joe's on the. I shot you with LL and all them.

[The Alchemist]

That was out already.

[Joe Budden]

Let's grab him, right? Yeah, that was out. So he was like, no. The momentum, the projection was there. It just wasn't there. You know how we all say Big L wouldn't have died? He would have been the biggest. So I was, like, projected to win, but I wasn't there yet. And Rob took the chance with me and did that same thing with Scott Storch. When he introduced me to Scott Storch. And he was just so talented. And I was just like, yo. And I'm the first to go, yo, Scott Storch on a hit record.

[Hit-Boy]

I just used that tag on a song. He just played some keys on the song I just dropped with Az Chike and Baby Tron and Homie Spank Me Nitty.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you heard the. Yo, Scott. Storage. What's up?

[Hit-Boy]

I put that on.

[Joe Budden]

After that, he had cheese lines outside his thing. But let me tell you what's crazy about you producers, man. Yo, Jada, it's the truth.

[The Alchemist]

Scott's too good.

[Joe Budden]

After I shouted out, scott Storch, I'm going to the studio. It's Method Man, Red man. This one, that was cheese lines of rappers. Whoever's your number one rapper. It's up, Jada. Was you on the line? Yes, he was. He was. Yours was over Scotty's. Yo, what up, nephew? I ain't see you up here. Yo, let me tell you something. Don't give Fat Joe credit, but I said a lot of trends in this game.

[Fat Joe]

I've seen Scott Storch, you know we have it, boy. And now, good mishear. Scott Storch is a whole nother.

[Joe Budden]

Scott Storch.

[Fat Joe]

Now, he told those.

[Joe Budden]

No, he can't. But let me tell you something. It's a lot of Scott Storch stories. Listen. So I go to Scott Storch, yo, come on. See, yo, that man is Leonardo DiCaprio of the Music game. When he tells his story, he got stories. Oh, my God. He lived the life.

[The Alchemist]

He lived the life.

[Joe Budden]

Did you guys have no super life? Did you guys ever, like, make a pact? So you come see Jada, and it's like, all right, I hear this for Jada, but you keep the other pack for Jay Z. I used to hate these producers. They come in the studio to bring us beats, and they be playing some shit. They'd be like, oh, this is for hov h to this. Oh, I'm over there trying to make a fucking hit. My. I got a wrench around my brain trying to crack open or something.

[Fat Joe]

We went through a lot of that on Bad Boy with Big. You know what to play the beat to say, nah, that's for Big.

[Joe Budden]

Why the fuck did you play it for me? If you were wondering wild all the that were coming the ship with, they'd be like, oh, I can't really give you that. That's the red man. And you'll be like, yo, my man. Like, what the. What you giving me? I'm chopped liver.

[The Alchemist]

We used to come to the studio. You remember those days, like, in Battery, when y' all would have, like, album mode and we used to come and line up, it would be Buckweiler, Rockweiler, whoever come with the DATs and have to play beats. But y' all used to have the shenanigans. Like, I remember one time, it was you and Pun at the studio, and I came in the studio to play beats, and it was it was. It was a hammer on the table, Allegedly.

[Hit-Boy]

You know what I'm saying?

[The Alchemist]

All right, so I walked in and Plum was sitting all the way on the back on the couch against the wall, right?

[Joe Budden]

That's what he used to say. And he put a.

[The Alchemist]

He went and grabbed the apple. He put an apple on his head. Let's see if you lie. He put an apple.

[Joe Budden]

Holy. He put it out. Listen, I ain't spoke to Joe in a minute.

[The Alchemist]

He put an apple on his head. He said, yo, Joe, Joe. Joe said right now, right here, he.

[Joe Budden]

Said, joe, go, go. Go ahead.

[The Alchemist]

Go ahead. Joe said, nah, we can't do that, right?

[Joe Budden]

He said, go, go, go.

[The Alchemist]

Joe took the hammer, boom, and put. Went like this. They made the fucking. It was a. It was an air gun, like with.

[Joe Budden]

So, yeah, he made it. He made the apple move. I tell that story recently about. He did that with Tony Sunshine today. You know, they never put us in Battery Studios again. Tony Sunshine put the apple on some young. This little white engine. Pun did the same, shot it then. Never let me ramp at a studio again in my life. It was my favorite studio.

[The Alchemist]

Those sessions were crazy. Those sessions were crazy, man.

[Fat Joe]

That one, he gets one taken back.

[Joe Budden]

He gets one from the cap.

[The Alchemist]

Story checks out.

[Fat Joe]

He gets his time out, and he gets another challenge.

[The Alchemist]

Those were crazy days, man.

[Joe Budden]

But. Yeah, I mean, you know, but they were the fun days for sure. See, I thought you was a member of Mob Dick. I mean, shitty.

[Fat Joe]

You can say that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, the way I looked at it. Yeah, right, because you got Havoc, you know, calling that the number one album of all time produced straight up. I see. I see lists all the time where infamous. Yes, infamous is. And so you come afterwards and team up with Prodigy Music. So you putting in work with Cameron.

[Hit-Boy]

Murder.

[The Alchemist]

Murder Music is when I got down.

[Joe Budden]

Who come in when he already has a Dr. Drake. So I thought you was the third member of Mark Deep. I swear to God.

[The Alchemist]

Listen, I tell Hav all the time, I thank him, and that's a real testament to confidence. He's havoc. He made a whole sound, son. So when I got to New York, I was around soaking up all that shit, figuring out how to make the drums a certain way. Like have is a mastermind genius. We know this, you know what I'm saying? But the connection was through Cyprus, so it's funny how I work, you know, Muggs was working with the Mob. I came to New York, he linked me with them, and they just saw me in New York, like, just out here. Dolo still repping Soul Assassins. But they were like, come with us. You know, and then I just. I was out here kind of by myself. So them putting me into the mix, you know how that made me feel? Like, think of that Mob murder music is. They already did Hell on Earth. Infamous.

[Joe Budden]

That's what I'm trying.

[The Alchemist]

I was a fan when I met him. You know what I'm saying? So the fact they let. And you know how it is. It was gradual, too, because they're not the type to just be like, come on and you with us. It took a while until I was.

[Joe Budden]

Like, rick Kwan's wedding. And I went, you know how you go to a wedding? They give you them shuttle bus sitting next to RZA and his wife. RZA turns around is like, no. I used to let you, you know, work with Ray, yo. I'm like, you know, some crews, they wouldn't even let you work with each other. They be like, yo. He was like, like, yo, you know, I'm glad we at the wedding, because how do you feel about that? I mean, that's. That, you know, Rizza was a boss.

[Fat Joe]

That's like, you call my outfit a little outfit? He kind of like little right away.

[Joe Budden]

I used to let you wear Binky in the Brain. That shit looking fly right there. But, you know, your brother compliments your outfits, man. You could say something about my outfit, man.

[Fat Joe]

It's outfit.

[Joe Budden]

See, motherfucker boy, he won't give a compliment for nothing.

[Hit-Boy]

Gosh damn it.

[Fat Joe]

Like, you compliments all the time.

[Joe Budden]

Yo, listen, but where we was at with Cruz, like, even me, right? And not. Please. I don't want to start no type of beef. I worship you guys. I love you guys to death. But I'm a member of Digging in the Crates from the beginning. And I remember when they asked me to do. I shot you LL's. I shot you with keep. Of course, some of the members was like, yo, we don't rock with no, no. They was the underground. They was underground. They didn't believe it was forbidden for.

[Fat Joe]

You to do a single that was about to blow. They didn't want you.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, with my idol, LL Cool J, I was like, yo, this is my idol. This guy's four time player, James. They was like, strictly underground.

[The Alchemist]

There's seven members in Digging in the Cross. Let's get to it.

[Joe Budden]

Who was it? No, I can't. But what I'm saying to you, what I'm saying is two to three members. No, I think I know who it was. Two to three members know who it was.

[The Alchemist]

No, it wasn't show.

[Joe Budden]

It was a show. I knew it was like, it's two or three members. That was like, yo, we rock with us. When I was just.

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[Joe Budden]

I said, look, that was the one time I said, man, I don't.

[Fat Joe]

Wasn't. It wasn't Andre the Giant, Leave it alone. So it was.

[The Alchemist]

We can narrow it down, but that record was hard.

[Joe Budden]

I was born yesterday. No, it was a stepping stone. You know what I'm saying? It was almost like a pop that at French Montana. Like, it was a time like I shot to put me on another. Was that a Chris Lighty And Chris Lighty and track masters the beat. Yeah, but Chris, they fucked with me. They fucked with me hard. So they came. They heard my second album. I was working that battery. It was like, yo, you want to jump on this, ll But I know about, you know, you working with Prodigy. You know, I know they must have had some internal talks.

[Fat Joe]

Like, yo, ah, man, we ain't talking about that. Made it in. He made this.

[The Alchemist]

It was always love. AB Always showed me love. But we kind of, you know, steel.

[Fat Joe]

Sharp and still, like, we gotta shout out my man Keg, AKA Rockstar, AKA Rolly, because he put us together.

[The Alchemist]

That's right. And, yo, you know what's crazy?

[Fat Joe]

You doing this thing now.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out to God. You might have gave him their best record ever.

[The Alchemist]

You know what's crazy?

[Joe Budden]

Do you remember? No, no, that's a form.

[Fat Joe]

No, it's definitely time to.

[The Alchemist]

All right.

[Joe Budden]

He had a fan. I don't know if you like one.

[Fat Joe]

He gave me still feeling. Feel me.

[The Alchemist]

This is another connection. That's crazy.

[Fat Joe]

Look at this. You kidding me?

[The Alchemist]

Remember the beat for Bring It On.

[Joe Budden]

Remember to be for Bring It On.

[The Alchemist]

Huh? Don't know. Remember to Bring it on beat, right?

[Joe Budden]

Bring it on.

[The Alchemist]

So there was a Stretch. It was a stretch.

[Joe Budden]

Through that beat.

[Fat Joe]

In the Cobra clutch you talking about.

[Joe Budden]

And then.

[The Alchemist]

And then Stretch came and told me y' all was asking who did the beat beat. Because I didn't know y' all yet. Shout out to Stretch.

[Fat Joe]

If I went up on Stretch. We balled up there. Now, what's the real story? This the last time we ever gonna talk about this, Because Shout out to my brother, Rascat.

[Joe Budden]

Shout out. Hold on.

[Fat Joe]

Let me say.

[Joe Budden]

Rascastle.

[Fat Joe]

Let me say Adrian Moses. Chill out. I'm talking for me. Can I have my moment? I didn't want to take my moment.

[Joe Budden]

No, no.

[Fat Joe]

Let me get my moment.

[Joe Budden]

Cafe. Of course you could try.

[Fat Joe]

Know what I'm saying? So whatever happened? Cause all I Know you came and played me some beats. I picked that in that.

[The Alchemist]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And then I gotta. You know what I mean? So when. Cause it's really you. But I took the. I took the heat for it, but it was really Al. He didn't tell me what was going on with it. We took the heat.

[The Alchemist]

We took.

[Fat Joe]

This is the last time we ever gonna talk about this. Cause it's all love. So let's was.

[The Alchemist]

It was just a mix up, man. It was a misunderstanding. I had love for both of y'.

[Hit-Boy]

All.

[The Alchemist]

I still do, you know, shout out to Rat. I just saw Rats last week is, you know, living legend. His kids are killing it post contra. It was, it was a mix up. It was early in my career, you know what I'm saying? And it was like. It was a. It was a lot of little moving parts and that happened. But in the end, I, I, you know, I wish it didn't go that way. You know what I'm saying? But then in the end, the record we made definitely became something that lasted forever. And shout out to Raz too. You know what I mean? It was, it was just a mix up back in that time. But, you know, I wish the best for everybody. Boy, everybody's doing great now.

[Joe Budden]

Well, you know what? That happened to me.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, don't tell me. We all will.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I throw the flag ahead of time.

[The Alchemist]

Did he have first?

[Hit-Boy]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

Fuji Live with Star Spangled Banner in My Face by Salaam Remy right after Flo Jo. And I'm telling you, I wouldn't have did a better job than Fuji la. But I was in his house in Manhattan. He made Fuji Lai In My Face for Fat Joe. We used to be number one. He said Lauryn Hill came like two hours later and was like, oh, no, not Fat Joe. This is my shit. And they snatched up that Fuji lie. It was made for me. If you listen to Fuji LA is the same type of drum, just Flo Jo, same pace, saying everything. She came and threw that shit in the Cobra clutch was like, yo, I need this.

[Fat Joe]

Let me get that, B.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

I just heard recently you said Win or Lose was originally for me and Pete.

[The Alchemist]

I never told you. No, See, this is what happened. You know, when we were doing Mob albums.

[Fat Joe]

Can we hear that?

[Joe Budden]

Yo, could you play Win or Lose right now, James?

[Fat Joe]

Win or Lose, man.

[Joe Budden]

Think about that too.

[The Alchemist]

Imagine this. We were finishing the Mob album. And like, when we were doing the album, we would go to the studio and work. But sometimes they would come to my crib, crib. And you Record joints. So that was a joint I had in my crib in the computer. So album was done, and I was like, I went secretly. I hadn't told you, but I was, like, hoping they would forget because I wanted to put SP&KISS on it. And then P came to my crib, like, a week before they were finishing the album. Was like, yo, remember that was that one joint we had in the computer? And I was like, oh, yeah. But you know.

[Joe Budden]

You know what I'm saying?

[The Alchemist]

I always thought, what would that have been like, man? Cause all they wanted to say, imagine. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

You know, he and Joe Jada, we don't let nobody finish their answers.

[Fat Joe]

I'm glad he said. I'm glad. That was one of the best things you ever said.

[Joe Budden]

Y. Thank you, brother.

[Fat Joe]

They need a clarity on that.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, I need to do a clip of, like. You know what happens is I just be like, the ideas come up while I'm hearing them. Like, oh, I got a better.

[Hit-Boy]

I feel it.

[Joe Budden]

I got to work on that. That put it up.

[Fat Joe]

Cranky cracker, man.

[Joe Budden]

Oh, you would have went crazy, right? Imagine that, yo. You would have went crazy. I had the right idea. Whoa.

[Fat Joe]

Feel it, baby.

[Guest Rapper/Artist]

Yes, yes. Another day, another, another dollar it's about getting money give me a holla my nose running I've been out in the cold hustle for so long my hands numb I bet I feel that paper hit my palm it's like, oh, shitty song. Time to go shopping for cars not fashion I wish be the ball my clothes be the same that we had on looking cute say that for the bra it's the ajbo see? Dump and reload knock, knock Instead I'm passing through the PE charges pay lawyers so we beat those, get locked in them slutting lady CEO be the only you know that they pos. They push our fouls to the top you still on parole we got money to roll no time for paying attention.

[The Alchemist]

He was different.

[Joe Budden]

If I was you, I wouldn't want to hear that. That's. That's. Well, anyway, that's a legendary song, but that. That definitely got the locks written off.

[The Alchemist]

It would have been crazy.

[Joe Budden]

Hold on.

[Fat Joe]

Time for the toast.

[Joe Budden]

When we talk about the new stuff.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, we going to toast to the new album, Then we going to talk about it.

[Joe Budden]

Well, we could toast the life.

[Fat Joe]

End of life, they got the new album. Goldfish, you know what I mean? With these two album in the film. Album in the film. We going to toast right quick.

[Joe Budden]

What? What? Who came up with the title and why is it called Goldfish?

[Hit-Boy]

I mean, shit, life be like that. We be stuck in a bowl, just going in circles and shit sometimes, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, mentally, whatever it is, but it's a couple meanings when you see it, you know what I mean? You don't really understand what's going on.

[Fat Joe]

Now. Y' all both spitters turn producers or producers turn spitters.

[Hit-Boy]

I was making my own songs before I made beats.

[Joe Budden]

And I.

[Hit-Boy]

Man, to be honest, the beat shit was just on some like, fun shit for me, you know, just still is. It's like I replaced playing video games with making beats because the FL studio looked like Tetris. They was clowning that when it dropped, like. Like real producers don't use, you know, Fruity Loops now. It's like all the Drake hits, a lot of Kendrick hits. A lot of getting made on fl, you know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

You know, with me, I don't care.

[Fat Joe]

Where the that beat came from, long as it's knocking. Neither do we hit it with two Fruit Loop boxes.

[The Alchemist]

Who gives a shit?

[Fat Joe]

Shit is knocking. I don't really give a fuck.

[Joe Budden]

They got the rumor to have it came up with the ship and the project. The light, the. From the stove in the project.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, that really came from that.

[Joe Budden]

Well, that's what the room is. I don't know if it's confused.

[Fat Joe]

That's hard though, because everybody's stove did that.

[Joe Budden]

It's a good story.

[The Alchemist]

I think it was just the engineer playing the high hats in the beginning.

[Fat Joe]

Maybe it fits. It's a good.

[The Alchemist]

I like it.

[Fat Joe]

My point is, let me turn you gold bottles, goldfish. More life, more wealth.

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[Fat Joe]

How many times you ever shipped the ace on the ace of spade?

[Hit-Boy]

Right, right, right. Nice.

[The Alchemist]

This classy. This real classy right here, man.

[Hit-Boy]

Back on the drink. We was just in starless last night. Hours ago, man. I'm still recovering.

[Fat Joe]

Go ahead.

[The Alchemist]

Crap.

[Joe Budden]

We don't bring that into these convers. Every time somebody say some shit like that, you start to hide behind the pillow and. Yo, how was starlets?

[Hit-Boy]

It was amazing, man. Great time.

[The Alchemist]

I love it.

[Joe Budden]

Lose your family in that, huh?

[Hit-Boy]

Man, that's the devil's den. It's a good spot, man.

[Joe Budden]

Let me.

[Hit-Boy]

It's a good spot.

[Joe Budden]

I'm sitting in booby trap one night in Miami. I'm my man money. And we throwing so much money, so much this. And I turned around, I seen the greatest Caribbean, Asian, white, the Spanish. I said, oh, no, the devil. I gotta seek the Kingdom. The devil's in here. This is the devil's lair. We gotta get outta here. Sometimes you gotta run out of a place. A place like that.

[Hit-Boy]

I feel you.

[Joe Budden]

I met the Yankee, by the way. They called me the Bad News. What? They call me the Jinx. I'm the Mush. We won last night, right? That boy Judge hit that out the park. May have had the. He told the whole. Yo, he fucked himself so royally. He told the whole section, if Judge hits a home run, I'm buying drinks that hit the home run. They had to buy every. Don't go messing with Cotton on Joe. These are different kind of fans out there. They feel like triple of Tito's doubles. I say, yo, you got. Yo, they was ordering doubles and trip. They. Yo, listen, some woman came by and she said, I noticed you've been drinking Diet Pepsi. And she bought me a Diet Pepsi. The whole section looked at me. I said that. Seek the kingdom.

[Fat Joe]

Seeking.

[Joe Budden]

No, no mistake.

[Fat Joe]

What's going on with that? Who's on Al y' all two features. We got what's going. Give us Snake, Homie Conway.

[Hit-Boy]

Conway got a. He got. Actually got a solo song on there. We got Bodie James Baldi, Shout Out, Homie J. Worth. We got My pops. Big hit on there.

[Fat Joe]

Big hit.

[Hit-Boy]

Who else on that havoc.

[The Alchemist]

But we didn't want to do a compilation album. I think people probably expected cuz we do the beats. But once we land, think this just where it went. Because it started from a record that we did together. Like was it two years ago? He was working on a project, hit me up and was like, yo, I think he saw I just did a verse on the Larry June. I don't really rap a lot, you know what I'm saying? But when I was working with Shout out to my brother, Larry June, he was like, yo, would you get on this joint right here with me? I was like, you want me to rap on it?

[Joe Budden]

He said, yeah, yeah, that'd be dope.

[The Alchemist]

And it was like a 12 bar. So it was easy. You know, sometimes when I'm making beats, I just writing just to test drive the beat, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

I come from one of the greatest.

[The Alchemist]

Producer rappers ever, Diamond D. Shout out.

[Joe Budden]

To Diamond D. And so he got a classic album and all that. And so actually he brought me in the game. Like I was. I was born and raised by a producer that raps. So I always had love for producers. That rap. Is hip hop that bad now that the producers gotta say, yo, we gonna.

[Hit-Boy]

Rap it's not even about that. It ain't even about that. You know what I mean? It's just like this is a natural organic leak up my. Like we just make good songs together, you know. And this just, you know, just, just became something, you know what I mean? He turned into, you know, this is our first real album. We dropped the EP with like three songs like year and a half, two years ago, something like that. But it's like a full length joint, you know?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[The Alchemist]

It's showing the camaraderie, you know what I'm saying? Producers, I don't think it's as competitive as the rapper thing. Like I feel like the producers, like we all fuck with each other, you know what I mean? So once like I used to hit him up every year. Like he was saying the end of the year, like, damn, you kicking my ass. Like I got same. I gotta go crazier, you know what I'm saying? So it was just a natural connect. And then after the one record that we did, he saw me rapping and we did a record and it went up. It's like got like millions of views on YouTube. But we were like, damn. I think people like seeing the camaraderie, you know what I'm saying?

[Joe Budden]

Yeah. I think that's what's the biggest attribute to the locks, besides them being very, very talented, is their, their unity and their loyalty and the people love that, you know what I'm saying? So many unfortunate, so many legendary groups. These artists don't even talk to each other no more. They don't tour with each other. They don't this. So when we see the unity like that, we really, really appreciate.

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[The Alchemist]

Fly.

[Joe Budden]

You yourself, right? You're having pause what we call like a glow up. Okay so this guy, he been already, you know he was making beats in Paris with them, giving him macaron. You know he's hand out with Beyonce and Hamptons. They bringing them kill shrimp. And this guy, his profile been really high, right? Kanye, right? He's from that whole factory, right? But you, you always been an underground and lately I've been seeing working the collaborations Erykah Badu. That's already. That's her baby's father's his top five ghetto alive, right? So it's like yo, you collaborate with her. So I'm seeing this like everybody this real on a mainstream level appreciation of alchemists. Do you know you in that moment right now or do you, you know, does it feel different with all of these collabs?

[Fat Joe]

Do you have any joints left for me?

[The Alchemist]

Don't make me pull up My text messages. We have. We got here.

[Fat Joe]

You did a lot of. Yeah, hold on a minute.

[The Alchemist]

Hold on a minute.

[Fat Joe]

He definitely. I deserve that flat.

[The Alchemist]

Nah, you know me. Come on. We got work to do. You know that unfinished business.

[Fat Joe]

But I mean it, too, though, man.

[Hit-Boy]

One joint.

[Fat Joe]

We never got to do it. But I need.

[Hit-Boy]

Well, we. Yeah, we do.

[The Alchemist]

I mean, I think.

[Joe Budden]

I think, you know what it was.

[Fat Joe]

In the volume of my life.

[The Alchemist]

You know what it was? It's like, it feels like, you know, when you're playing a video game and you kind of playing it good, and you turn the speed up or put it on a more advanced level and be like, I don't know if I could play. And then you start figuring it out. Like, damn, Now I could go. I'm speeding now. I'm like, this was easier than I thought. It started to feel like that a little bit, like, because we got the rinse and repeat formula, the last five, ten years of, you know, just doing records with different artists like Bodie James or Rock Marcy or, you know, Action Bronson I could name. You know what I'm saying? I could go on. The current one is Freddie Gibb, you know, Alfredo. And it's like. It just feels like, all right, we in motion. Shit is going. I'm not second guessing I'm pulling the trigger. You know what I'm saying? I'm thinking about my brother Pete. His time was limited, especially going through the stuff we got. I'm like, if we got it now, we gotta go. And it's like, I still got it in me. I don't feel like. I still feel like I could get better. I feel like we got unfinished business. I feel like I hit you every now and then. Like, what's up? Crap. Like, we could still make some magic. Like, I still. I don't care about none of that. It's not a young man's sport. They got to stop talking about that is. I don't know where that narrative came from. I don't know where it's lonely at.

[Joe Budden]

The top came from.

[The Alchemist]

Because why can't we all be at the top together? Like, all of that stuff, I don't. It doesn't register with me. So, you know, it's just timing, man. And I feel blessed that you saying that.

[Joe Budden]

Y'.

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[The Alchemist]

Y' all is like, you know how I feel about both of the offers. So to get that from you guys, that means I'm doing the right thing, and you know what I'm saying? Just tied in with my brother. Hit you Know, we.

[Joe Budden]

He's.

[The Alchemist]

He goes as crazy as I do, and I feel like that's where we connected. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, I appreciate it. You know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

Definitely.

[Joe Budden]

I mean, I feel like you're a part of the White Mafia, too.

[Hit-Boy]

Allegedly.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, yo, yo.

[Hit-Boy]

That's funny.

[The Alchemist]

Could be, could be, could be. That's the fact.

[Hit-Boy]

I don't know.

[Joe Budden]

No, because it's like. No, you guys are very talented, but you all. You're all. Well, I feel like Eminem, he got this crew. Rosenberg. Rosenberg, he'll snatch up Reef.

[The Alchemist]

Those are my guys.

[Joe Budden]

Alchemist, he'll go get action. Bronson, he'll go. He. He got like this. Y' all got a White Mafia bing bong. They gotta. Nah, they gotta. You see, I'm happy for it. You know, y' all got a mob like that. I seen Nems over there on that side. Okay. Nem's over there on that side, too. I feel like, who. Who reaches out? Is it Eminem or Paul who says, yo, we gotta stick.

[Fat Joe]

They're ready to be down with us?

[Joe Budden]

You don't know, huh?

[The Alchemist]

That sounds fly though, man.

[Joe Budden]

But I'm on to something.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, Paul go gets.

[Joe Budden]

I'm not delusional. That was gone. Shout out to.

[The Alchemist]

You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

Eminem. We don't talk about him enough on this platform. He's my brother. He's my friend. You know, I got. I can't tell you, like, I get it all the time, but I remember I did the album. What album was it where I said I retired? And I remember I was in my mother's house. My phone rang from an unknown number, and I picked it up, and it was Marshall. And he talked to me for two hours. Like, yo, Joe, I've been listening. You still got it. You don't need to. I was like. I wanted to knock on the neighbors houses and all. I'd be like, yo, this shit. Fucking Eminem talking to me for an hour or two, telling me, yo, talking me off the retirement list. Like, yo, you gotta. You know, you gotta stay working. You got it. And that's one of the biggest honors I ever had. And to have that relationship with him is amazing because, you know, people, they forget. Like, you know how you just said, yo, let's go back to Rob Reeves, Tulo. Let's go back to the. A lot of people forget all these different layers of what's going. You know, we'd just be stuck on 20, 25, right? And sometimes you don't think about what? Eminem came out and me and Big Pun was online and fucking la. That was just before the Grammys and the sunset, the fucking. We waited online for that album. And you ain't waiting on that line for that album if he wasn't the guy. You know what I'm saying? He was phenomenal. He was incredible. And sometimes you try to explain it to kids that wasn't there at that time.

[The Alchemist]

Change shit. And I'm gonna tell you, you think we work hard. I've never seen nobody work like him to this day. The level that, like right now he's in the studio right now.

[Joe Budden]

I could put bed it every day.

[The Alchemist]

I'm telling you, on tour, headphones in the hotel room, writing still. So, you know, when I think about.

[Joe Budden]

Some dudes like that too, all the.

[The Alchemist]

Way in it all like inside the middle of a tornado, like, they're not coming out of it. You know what I mean?

[Joe Budden]

I respect it. Yeah, that's crazy. I remember when I got him on the Lean Back remix, he sent the same verse 30 times. It was the same verse, but he would say the word a little different or say it this way and did this, this. And then we like, fuck, we got the Eminem verse. Can we let this bitch.

[Hit-Boy]

Oh.

[Joe Budden]

And he's just like, yo, yo, yo, but hold up. Sending you another verse. It's the same verse, but like with a different tone or cadence or this. And it's like 30 times. And I'm like, is this the one?

[The Alchemist]

Perfectionist.

[Joe Budden]

Can we. He's a perfectionist, man. And shout out, em.

[Fat Joe]

What's up with the film that's attached.

[The Alchemist]

To the project, man?

[Fat Joe]

It was a little bit.

[The Alchemist]

It was a good idea that Hit came up with when we were working because we were gonna do a bunch of videos, you know, film, of course. He was like, we should shoot a movie. You know, I'm like, about what? You know? And he was like, first it was like, about us. And we were like, nah, fuck that. Let's just. Let's get with somebody and get a script, put some bread up and shoot movie to go with this album.

[Hit-Boy]

Like characters outside of ourselves. Not just a conventional music movie where it's like. It's a little scene and a music video pop up. It ain't no shit like that. It's like a real beginning, middle, end type shit. It's a real story to it. So, yeah, that's got Danny Trejo in there.

[Joe Budden]

We got Simon Rex.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah.

[The Alchemist]

A bunch of good actors. Conway's in there.

[Hit-Boy]

Level, high level.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hit-Boy]

All shot on film, 16 millimeter film. It's like, yeah, some. Some high level art.

[Joe Budden]

You know what's crazy is, you know, when we talking movies, it made me remember that Taylor Swift just put out a. A movie with her album. You know, she sold 3 million records in one day. I heard that Cardi B had a record for like three days. This incredible hold on 3 million in a day. In a day.

[The Alchemist]

So how many streams is that? We gotta find out, man.

[Joe Budden]

How? It's like two zillion.

[Hit-Boy]

I think it was like merch and.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, you know, Birdman just said he got. He did a trillion streams with all his artists. I believe it. Birdman just said it.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah.

[The Alchemist]

Streams.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

It's crazy, yo, but I have no knowledge.

[Joe Budden]

But Taylor Swift. Cardi B broke the greatness world of world record. Her lasted three days. Three work days.

[The Alchemist]

Here came Taylor Swift.

[Joe Budden]

Taylor Swift came with the 3 million in one day. Like this shit and a movie. This sold like 30, 60 million. Oh, strange. No, no, she sold it, brother. Man, she sold 1 million copies in one day. This is a fact on world goodness. Look it up. Taylor Swift came out less than a week later and sold 2.7 million in one day with the movie.

[Hit-Boy]

You listen to the album?

[Joe Budden]

Nah. I love Travis Kelce's, my brother. I love everything about. Do you know who got me fooled? Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift got me fooled. Because we all know you be waiting to meet people. How many times you waited to meet somebody? Forever. And you like, you know, man, this guy ain't shit. Or they got an attitude that they cocky or they arrogant.

[Fat Joe]

You say nothing about Taylor Swift?

[Joe Budden]

No, I just think. I really believe she's a nice person. No, you're not listening to what I'm saying. I'm honestly. I met everybody I've hung out with. I've hung out with the biggest superstars in the world in the history of mankind.

[Fat Joe]

Where you going with Swift?

[Joe Budden]

No, I'm talking about the biggest.

[Fat Joe]

Where you going with right now?

[Joe Budden]

And we talking some crazy shit. And the fan come over and they go and come back. Yeah, these motherfuckers. This, this. I'm like, damn, like. Like, I've been with the biggest leaders in the world. I'm trying to tell you Taylor Swift got me fooled. I'm believing she's a nice person. Great. Now I'm telling you the truth. My whole since she came around, I said, man, it's a nice girl. She's a fucking nice person. Just Taylor Swift. She's a nice lady, man. This girl, you know and everybody's full of shit. And when you get to know people and you be like, holy. Yo, you know what? This. I'll tell you a story. It. I'll say a name, right? I waited maybe 10 years, maybe 15 to meet Bruno Mars. Okay? What do y' all want me to do? This is the true story, guys. You want me to tell you waited or not? You waited.

[The Alchemist]

What do you mean? You waited?

[Joe Budden]

Because. Nah, I gotta let it go. It's. You know, he's Puerto Rican. At least that's what they say. So I did, like. Like, we know, we know, we know. No, that's my basketball player, but go ahead, listen. We know Bad Bunny's Puerto Rican. Like, he got the flag. JLo does the super bowl with the flag. This, this, and that. I've been. I've been hearing that. Bruno Mars, Puerto Rican, Rican. But I never got to meet him, so the whole time, I'm excited, You know, I want to bring him in the Puerto Rican mafia, right? Now, how y' all got the white mafia, right? So I'm at the awards, and I'm sitting next to him. James, I'm telling you a story. James, don't look at the computer. I'm telling you the truth. I'm sitting next to him at the awards. I'm gonna keep it all the way a hundred. I'm sitting right next to somebody in the woods, and I say, oh, shit, Bruno. Mar. I'm talk to him. Somebody say, yo, he's. He's a.

[Hit-Boy]

Damn.

[Joe Budden]

The guy next to me said, you might not want to do it. He's a. I said, what? Yo, Bruno, what's up, man? Yo, what's up? Yo, what's up, Joe? He with Anderson Peck. I'm like, yo, you Puerto Rican? He got up. The fuck you mean? I'm. I'm a real Puerto Rican from Brushwick, Brooklyn. Don't ever ask me shit in your life. And went and sat on the other side of the. The man broke my heart.

[Hit-Boy]

Dude, he tripped on you. That's crazy.

[Joe Budden]

What?

[Fat Joe]

Did you know he was real?

[Joe Budden]

Ricky, bro, I. I wasn't challenging. This wasn't a flag. If he's a real. Like, tell me something. Who's your father? Paige. The nicest way being awards. I'm wearing Hermes. I'm not bothering nobody. I'm in there.

[The Alchemist]

You have a demeanor, Joe. You have a demeanor.

[Joe Budden]

No, it's Bruno Mars. I've been waiting 15 years.

[Fat Joe]

Should have asked him as he was born.

[Joe Budden]

He could have just said, yeah, I'm Bordy. What's up, buddy? Okay. I don't know. A lot of you artists is weird. I asked the question that starts a gang war. Like, the answer to the question is, we want peace. Yo, you in the gang. We want peace. I need you, right? Yo, you in the gang? Yeah, I'm in the gang, but we want peace. Now I'm in the gang. You let everybody kill each other. This. No. The answer is yeah. Puerto Rican. What's up, bro? Bro, I love Big Pun. Something I thought, that's a normal man screamed on me and left. Went to the other room and was mad, like, in the other side of the fucking awards, looking like. And I didn't. I was like, yo, beat up his pops. You know, we've been around for a minute, like, no, I swear to God. I said, yo, we need to see if we beat up his pops or something. Because his shit seemed personal. What's the interesting factor? Love me, man. He got some teeth, and, you know he got some teeth. Oh, you crazy. At the head, dude. They were like, yo, Fat Joe, what's up, brother? Oh, man. Digging in the craze, baby. You know? I understand.

[The Alchemist]

That's my guy.

[Joe Budden]

He responded like. I thought Bruno was gonna respond to me. I was like, yo, Bruno, if you don't remember it, I. I forgive you.

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[Joe Budden]

But you did that, brother. You did that to me.

[Fat Joe]

Offended him. I ain't forgiving me. You gotta apologize to him.

[Joe Budden]

Okay, say, the lady that sung that ills over like a F from Yonkers. You go off to Fonda Ray and you say, hey, hey, Fonda, you from Yonkers. And she gets the fuck up. Jadakiss, don't ever talk to me like this in your fucking. You like.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, that would never happen. She seen me going to the store for Fred when I was in.

[Joe Budden]

Well, it happened to me with Bruno Martin. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Sometimes you. You can't wait. I waited 15 years to meet Bruno Mars. Like, I really. You know, a lot of these guys.

[Fat Joe]

Waited so long, he should have went to his crib.

[Joe Budden]

A lot of these guys could break your heart, man. You meet him. No, I'm telling you the truth. You meet him and you just, like. You know, I go above and beyond to smile at everybody when they come up to me. Hey, Fat Joey. What's up, guys?

[Fat Joe]

I just saw you as Tom Square the other day saying, what's up, Buzz?

[Joe Budden]

You. Yeah, J. You giving. Hey, come on. You from Southern. He said, h. I'm not. I'm from Southern Boulevard. Joe he from the Bronx. He said, I'm not up until. I said, damn. The. Hear me? We all found you. Yo, J. You giving up the sequel.

[Fat Joe]

When is the album dropping?

[Hit-Boy]

24Th.

[The Alchemist]

Yep, yep. This month. 24th with the film.

[Fat Joe]

Make sure y' all check it out, man. Real hip hop. Authentic. We got.

[Joe Budden]

You got a track.

[Fat Joe]

Play one.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah, we gotta hit intro.

[Fat Joe]

Business merger.

[The Alchemist]

Play that joint.

[Joe Budden]

Play me the joint that you think might could be the biggest because it's gonna. Spider Pickle is gonna be the biggest after this show.

[The Alchemist]

Let's watch later video with the joint.

[Joe Budden]

That's the song on. You sure you want to do the video? Because our is listening.

[Fat Joe]

No, but we could hear it and see.

[Joe Budden]

Okay.

[The Alchemist]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's go.

[Fat Joe]

This exclusive. This is exclusive.

[Joe Budden]

You might have given us. We're gonna have to multitask.

[Fat Joe]

Watch the video. He never played nobody's video. This is exclusive.

[The Alchemist]

Exclusive. We getting. We getting exclusive here. First time.

[Fat Joe]

This is exclusive.

[Joe Budden]

That's crazy. Anderson Pack was a great guy. Same time.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, that's my guy.

[Fat Joe]

And they sit down with each other, right?

[The Alchemist]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Budden]

You sitting right there with. With him. He's with him. I got a different reaction.

[The Alchemist]

He's probably a great guy, too.

[Fat Joe]

Must have been.

[Joe Budden]

He probably just own something. Legend. He was on that Y when I seen Mar. No, no, no. He was probably on that Mars. Man of fact, he must have been on that dead end when I met him. He was on that dead end. He was on that dead end. No, I'm. He was on that dead end.

[Fat Joe]

Get loud, please.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah. Out HB West Coast.

[Joe Budden]

Yeah.

[Guest Rapper/Artist]

Eyes closed in my heart open just to get this off my chest and left my heart broken Seeing how goofy's a move for the green Saying we on the same team but what do that mean? Why people build a bridge just to watch Set it ablaze don't get me heated Ain't no way to control the inferno Feel the spirit of prodigy I've been keeping it thorough I'd rather do it by my lonely than fake with the pack and if you can't stay down and stay where you at I feel like we the new standard I'm going over the matters from information I gathered I'm finding the answers I've been reading over the chapters they doctoring up the numbers, forging all of their data My godly value will speak at high value without ever having to be the loudest in the room. I move like a commander in the military. You ain't even qualified. Get past the preliminaries, separate A war winners true from a war presenters I seen some evil done I'm still shaking off the jitters I'm coming with the thunder yeah, I'm going Thor with the hammer was counting 6, 7, 8 before I lived in Atlanta it's my heart that make me different this link is apocalyptic me and out moving pur the in our division I'm tired of acting like this ain't watered down for real 9 to 5 if you can't relate to this type of feel now.

[Joe Budden]

Gave.

[Guest Rapper/Artist]

You boys a break now y' all gotta deal with me I try to give them the game they ain't keep it real with me I homies I was supposed to come up and get rich with me I some shorty's I was supposed to stay down and had kids with me Long story, it's a lot now my circle so small that it's closer to a dot they thought I was repping Grape Street I'm turning up the watts while I'm beating up the past Right now I'm speaking with.

[Joe Budden]

My chest out smoke to prevent from getting stressed out the Lamborghini got the breast out I'm working with a different type of textile Everything simple Janet in a protect I'm not a vegan, I'm a reptile My appetite for destruction is getting trifling don't go clubs if I can't sneak a rifle in Got paper in circulation we keep it cycling, spinning we don't do collaboration, it's a business merger Cut a pie, split a burger and make it stretch like a fitness worker I'm on my shit for certain on stage, checking the mic Behind a custom Dr. Romanelli curtain I give you extra cuts like a deluxe version, couple stripes when I'm finished you need a cut surgeon hit strumming got the trucks working meetings with a tuck shirt in you can never put enough work in I put a couple hundred K hours in days without showering no face to put a flower in nope, no paper to put the sour in still no way I'mma throw the towel in me and HB standing 57 is still looking down on bums and towering.

[Guest Rapper/Artist]

Never heard it like this back to back, beat for beat hey, bring it back I gave you boys a break now y' all gotta deal with me I try to give them the game, they ain't keep it real with me I homies I supposed to come up and get rich with me had some shorties out supposed to stay down and had kids with me long story, it's a lot now my circle so small that it's closer to a dot. They thought I was repping Grape Street. I'm turning up the watts Beating up the.

[Joe Budden]

Yes. Yes.

[The Alchemist]

Good out here.

[Fat Joe]

Good, man.

[Joe Budden]

Make sure y' all get, like two different. Like, it's that one part towards. I. I don't know if it's the four for eight ball. What the.

[Fat Joe]

That was crazy.

[Joe Budden]

That was nuts.

[Fat Joe]

Goldfish, man. The album, the movie, the experience. Make sure y' all get it on all platforms. Make sure y'.

[Joe Budden]

All.

[Fat Joe]

Y' all gonna go on tour, man.

[Hit-Boy]

Yeah, this.

[Fat Joe]

He on camera.

[Hit-Boy]

He on tour right now. This way.

[Fat Joe]

Getting it in.

[The Alchemist]

You go do some shows.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, y' all gotta do.

[Joe Budden]

Let's see where it goes.

[The Alchemist]

You know, lot of stuff on the plate. Got mad. I got mad going. But we good right now. We in this phase.

[Joe Budden]

Going fit your alchemist. My love over, man. I'm proud of you, man. Thank you.

[Hit-Boy]

Appreciate it.

[Joe Budden]

You moving here. Boy, you already. You know when your sneakers are melting, you are so on fire. When your sneakers. Yo, Jada, look to the left, man.

[Hit-Boy]

These.

[Fat Joe]

Japanese got some of those.

[Joe Budden]

And then you got the melted joints. Check this out. This ain't that.

[Fat Joe]

That ain't this.

[Joe Budden]

It's cracking. Kiss.

[Fat Joe]

Give it up to our guest Alkam. Missing hit boy one time. Joe and Jada show.

[Joe Budden]

Appreciate you another one.

[Fat Joe]

Thank y' all for coming through.

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