The Real Report - Michael "Venom" Page on the pressures of the UFC, the rise from Bellator MMA, Building Community, & top 5 Kung Fu movies

Summary

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Michael “Venom” Page on UFC Pressures, Bellator Roots, Building Community, & Top 5 Kung Fu Movies
Release Date: May 11, 2026

Episode Overview

In this episode, Fat Joe (“Tony Ayo”) and Jadakiss (“Murder”), hip-hop legends and hosts of The Real Report, sit down with world-renowned MMA fighter Michael "Venom" Page (MVP). The conversation delves deep into Page's martial arts upbringing, his transition from kickboxing through Bellator MMA to the UFC, the mental and financial stresses of the fight game, the influence of classic kung fu cinema, and his dedication to giving back to his community through education and business ventures. Notable for Page’s candor and the hosts’ signature mix of humor and admiration, this wide-ranging interview balances behind-the-scenes fight talk, cultural insights, and personal philosophy.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Most Awkward Fight: Training Partners in the Cage

[03:05 – 04:11]

• Michael describes his recent “frustrating” fight against someone he’s trained with for years. Both fighters reluctantly accepted the bout, feeling constrained by management and matchmaking.
  • “It was more of a frustrating one...I won the fight. But nothing really happened. Didn’t really.” – Michael Page [03:21]
  • He admits he didn’t want to hurt his friend, and the usual showmanship was missing.

2. MVP’s Martial Arts Roots: Family Tradition

[05:01 – 06:11]

• Early start: Began training as soon as he could walk, with his parents both active fighters. First kickboxing competition at age 5; a 10-time world champion in kickboxing.
  • “I’ve been in that game since near enough since I could walk.” – Michael Page [05:10]
• Family legacy: Both parents and all siblings trained. Parents influenced by Caribbean community’s love for late-night kung fu movies in the UK.
  • “My mom’s got a black belt...People just assumed it was me because they knew I did kickboxing. I was like, no, no, that's not even me.” [06:34]

3. Cinema Inspirations: Top 5 Kung Fu Movies

[07:33 – 09:20]

• Classic film influence: Cites Five Deadly Venoms, 36th Chamber of Shaolin, Meals on Wheels, Jackie Chan’s Rumble in the Bronx, and Jet Li’s Twin Warriors/Tai Chi Master.
  • “Five Deadly Venoms, that's where my style came from.” – Michael Page [07:48]
  • “I grew up on Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Donnie Yen, Sammo Hung...” [08:37]
• Humorous banter about authenticity and flair in kung fu cinema.

4. Mindset and Performance Under UFC Pressure

[16:20 – 21:36]

• The leap from Bellator to UFC:
  • The fans, expectations, and stage are at a different level; even veterans find the pressure immense.
  • “Until I got to the UFC...It feels like an audition. No matter what you've done and what you've proved...you're starting all over.” [17:25]
  • Admits even after multiple UFC wins, he hasn’t hit his personal peak inside the Octagon.

5. Fighter Pay, Career Pressures & Mental Health

[21:05 – 26:44]

• Breakdown of the UFC’s “show and win” pay structure—half given for showing up, half only with a win. Discusses financial stress, currency issues for non-US fighters, and real-life examples (e.g., Paddy Pimblett, fighters needing second jobs).
  • “Don’t give me the added stress that during the fight...the key you're like, ‘Sh*t, now you think about that money.’” [21:17]
• Highlights stories on the mental health crisis facing fighters.
  • “Two weeks ago, [a fighter] was ready...to kill myself. Two weeks later, he’s fighting Adesanya, wins, and he’s...catapulted him to the top five.” [26:16]

6. Making Martial Arts a Career

[27:09 – 28:52]

• Despite early competitive success, MVP didn’t see martial arts as a viable full-time career until age 24, when he entered MMA and later signed with Bellator.
  • “I was 24 when I actually got into MMA...before that, although I'd been winning these world titles...the people that were successful fighters still didn't really have anything.” [27:09]
  • Viral moments and the grind to financial stability.

7. Diet, Discipline & Body Transformation

[29:31 – 41:25]

• Discusses the difficulty of maintaining diet and discipline, influenced by Jamaican and Trinidadian heritage.
  • “You just need to know yourself, how you motivate yourself. For me, I need a goal, I need a target...I need to do something a bit more extreme.” [29:57]
• Weight cuts: Describes losing nearly 70 pounds (106 kg to 77 kg) in eight weeks after movie filming.
  • “The weight is the hardest thing...the weight cut. Like my last fight...I had to get to 77 kgs in two months.” [39:34]
• Tips: Portion control (“small plates trick”), cutting late-night eating, and snacking on better options.

8. Multipurpose Routines: Physical Prep & Recovery

[36:31 – 42:27]

• Advocates for functional, varied training (calisthenics, boxing, wrestling, etc.) over just weights.
  • “Calisthenics always makes you look good...because it's body weight.” [36:59]
• Aging fighters must prioritize recovery (e.g., saunas, ice baths, Pilates for core stability), which is often overlooked by younger athletes.
  • “If you get...into the habit of the recovery side, it's yin and yang...” [41:26]

9. Michael Page’s Top 5 Fighters (All Combat Sports)

[43:13 – 46:08]

• Muhammad Ali: “He just changed the game for everybody.” [43:28]
• Jon Jones: Acknowledges MMA’s variety and how Jones’ dominance is remarkable.
• Pernell Whitaker: “Love to express themselves in unique ways...could watch for hours.”
• Emmanuel Augustus: Praises the ‘drunken master’ style; style over record.
• Demetrious Johnson: Most well-rounded MMA athlete MVP has seen.
  • Notable: Also shouts out Mayweather (“defensive genius”) and ultimately notes he forgot to add Mike Tyson (“I apologize. Tyson is 100 up there.” [52:33])

10. Entertainment vs. Skill: The Jake Paul Effect

[50:57 – 52:20]

• Page acknowledges Jake Paul's business acumen and elevating fighter pay but still sees him as an entertainer more than a pure boxer.
  • “I respect what he's doing...he's pushing it the way it should have been pushed for a long time.” [51:01]
  • “Marketing is taking over every industry...these guys are YouTube, like just stuck on YouTube watching everything this man does.” [51:50]

11. Community Building: SEN Schools & Empowerment

[54:09 – 64:24]

• Page’s family runs specialized educational schools (Renaissance) in the UK for children with learning and emotional challenges.
  • “We build and design schools that cater for exactly that...it allows for, no matter what level of learning you are at, to just cope.” [54:09]
• Describes sensory rooms, animal care, holistic environments, and emotional support.
• On education philosophy: Freedom to move, tools for focus, personalized learning spaces.
  • “No teacher will ever tell you you can’t leave. You can leave anytime you want. So you don’t feel restricted.” [56:44]
• Community focus extends to film, restaurants, and healthy food brands.

12. Outside Ventures: Restaurants, Film, and Healthy Snacks

[61:26 – 64:37]

• MVP’s restaurant “Ixchel” (a Mexican spot), film production company (IN THE MOMENT Productions), and healthy beef jerky snack line.
  • “We just put the work in...this doesn’t last forever. It doesn’t necessarily pay well, but...I’ll go get the work done myself.” [62:21]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the UFC Pressure:
  “It feels like an audition. No matter what you’ve done and what you’ve proved...you get there, and you feel like you’re starting all over.” – Michael Page [17:25]

• On Fighting Pay:
  “That’s too much stress. Why, bro? We already kill ourselves to get there. And now you want to add extra pressure and extra stress.” – Michael Page [21:43]

• On Building Schools:
  “We build and design schools that cater for exactly that...but it allows for, no matter what level of learning that you are at, to just cope.” – Michael Page [54:09]

• On Martial Arts Philosophy:
  “I spent years of me not just training, but watching kung fu guys doing this thing flying around. I wanted to be like that…That’s why my style is so creative.” – Michael Page [06:58]

• On Aging as an Athlete:
  “As youngsters...hardest session in the world and the next day I’m good to go. But as you get older...next day, I’m like, I don’t want to go nowhere.” – Michael Page [41:05]

• On Community:
  “You give me the spotlight and then I’ll, I’ll go get the work...we just put the work in.” – Michael Page [62:39]

• Murder on the Money:
  “We gotta do better, man...Y’all entertaining the world. Pay the fighters.” – Murder [65:27]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:05 – Fighting a teammate: Emotional and ethical challenge
• 05:01 – Childhood, family legacy, and martial arts beginnings
• 07:33 – Top five kung fu movies and cinematic influences
• 16:20 – Bellator to UFC: Transition, pressure, and mentality
• 21:05 – The realities and stress of fighter pay
• 27:09 – When martial arts became a real career option
• 29:31 – Diet discipline and dealing with temptation
• 36:31 – Workout philosophy and types of training
• 39:34 – Extreme weight cuts (losing 70 lbs/8 weeks)
• 43:13 – Michael Page’s all-time top five fighters
• 54:09 – Community and school building for kids’ growth
• 61:26 – Expanding ventures: Film, food, and business
• 64:24 – Closing tributes to Michael Page’s community work

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Final Thoughts

The episode offers a lively and inspired mix of fight stories, cultural discussion, and genuine care for community development. Michael “Venom” Page’s humility, humor, and perspective stand out as he connects the dots between martial arts, showmanship, mental health, and social impact, with Fat Joe and Jadakiss keeping the energy sharp and authentic throughout.

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Transcript

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[Michael Page (Venom)]

Let's cook.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Choke that Mike. Look at this. Calm down.

[Tony Ayo]

Adam's apple.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Yeah, cuz he talk too much. Yeah, yeah.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Go.

[Tony Ayo]

Get up. Shut the up.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Okay.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Yes.

[Tony Ayo]

The talk of New York.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

It's the boy lynch at Liddy Uncle Murder.

[Tony Ayo]

Whoa. And today we got the one man army. Michael Paige Venom. Whoa.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Make some noise for the championship.

[Tony Ayo]

We gonna bring the big dogs to the show. Congratulations on your last fight.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Definitely, man, definitely.

[Tony Ayo]

We talk about that because we, me and Murder missed the fight. But we would have loved to be there.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Definitely.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He was, he was. Oh, you guys was close because I remember you guys was touring or something around that time.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

We was we were somewhere when.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, from like, Poland or something. I remember you guys. You guys telling me. But yeah, it was good. It wasn't. It wasn't. It was more of a frustrating one more so. Because the guy that I was fighting, me and him have trained together regularly for. For a while now.

[Tony Ayo]

Wow.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

And when we even got the fight, we were both like, yo, did you tell. I said, did you tell them that, you know, we trained? He's like, yeah, yeah. But they're just saying that they're not going to. This is what they want. And I was like, no disrespect to him. He's not ranked. He's kind of like up and coming. But I use, like, we contact the contact him. Anytime I got a fighter that's tall and lean because he's got. He's got a good striking style, I use him and I've helped him out. It's like, I didn't really want to fight. This fight got you. You know what I mean? So the fight. The fight. I won the fight. But nothing really happened. Didn't really.

[Tony Ayo]

Because. Because he's learning.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Yeah.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

He knows his own stuff. And it was just. It was just. It was just the situation we didn't want to be in.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Like, you felt like you didn't really want to hurt him.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, like that as well, but a bit. A bit of both. Like, it's like, I want to win. And usually, you know, I like my spectaculars. I like to.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Because I don't wanna.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, come on, bro.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh, come on. Murder. He's Mr. Flash, you know, striking opponents. The high knee kick, which I'm gonna do the Murder.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

He gotta get in shape. He got to get in shape. I'm too in shape for that.

[Tony Ayo]

Knock him out so fast, Mike.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

I'm gonna knock him out so fast, Mike.

[Tony Ayo]

We gonna use it for the other rappers. All right. I'm gonna try to hot knee kick thr all the rappers in one room. Put all the rappers in one room. Quick security. And that'll be a big bro. That'll be. Be pay per view. What you think?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Let's make it happen. Let's make it happen.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

I like that.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I like how that sound.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

I like how that sound.

[Tony Ayo]

So when did you start getting into fights? Because I know you have, like, kickboxing championships.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

So talk about that.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I've been.

[Tony Ayo]

Cause how many kickboxing championships you got?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

10. 10 world time. Like, world time champions.

[Tony Ayo]

World time. Y' all heard that?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Ten time world champion kickboxing.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah. But I've been, I've been in that game since near enough since I could walk. So training three years old, like literally just after walking properly. And my family, my mom and my dad was training. So like child care was you being in the class while they're training, so you kind of pick up things. And then my first competition, I was five. Yeah, five, doing kickboxing. So then it's just been nonstop.

[Tony Ayo]

Because you come from a family of fighters, right?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Like the whole. All my siblings, even now the next generation, nephews. Like I said, mom and dad both did it. It was like there's an era in, I want to say like the 80s, 70s, 80s where they used to do like late night cinema, but after the, the, the main, like commercial, like the obvious films, they did like a late night showing of kung fu films. So your Bruce Lee's your jet.

[Tony Ayo]

For that. Same thing in the us but for

[Michael Page (Venom)]

some reason a loaded in the uk, I can't speak for over here, but in the uk, a load of the Caribbean community, it just inspired him to go and actually do it. So everyone came out like, yo, I'm doing this. But then they actually went to go and find people to go and do it. So my, my parents, when they came over, that was a bit of, that was something that they could do socially. They meet people in their community, but then they just, you know, fell in love with.

[Tony Ayo]

Tell me your mom's got a black belt.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah, she's. Yeah. When I, when people used to come to my house, they see, they see the trophies. I'm like, yeah, that's, that's my mom's. That's not mine. That's, that's my mom's one. People just assumed it was me because they knew I did kickboxing. I was like, no, no, that's not even me.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

So that's crazy. I never knew that because I was going to ask you, like, yo, why not boxing? Like, you know, we, we always, yeah, like, yo, why not boxing now? You know? Cause that's what I would think because I had to get into the UFC thing, so I would think, why not boxing? But it's interesting that you grew up

[Michael Page (Venom)]

from this whole monster family, so even down to films. But I used to watch all of the, all of those kung fu films. Like I know all of those, all those stuff. So I just raised on that. So wanting to, obviously boxing I knew, but I didn't get into it in the same way. But obviously Muhammad Ali go, you those big names, you'd go and watch of course. But it. I spent years of me not just training, but watching kung fu guys doing this thing flying around. I wanted to be like that. You know what I mean? So this is why my style is so creative as well. Because these guys are doing stuff that's crazy.

[Tony Ayo]

So what's your top five kung fu movies? Because what was the movie with Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris? That was one of my favorites.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Yeah.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Where did you. Dragon.

[Tony Ayo]

Dragon. Into the Dragon.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

What?

[Tony Ayo]

I would say, what's the five Deadly Venoms? Remember that one?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

So that's. That's where my style came from.

[Tony Ayo]

The five daily.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Five days. So once all drunken monk. Yeah. Five daily venom was Snake, scorpion, toad, centipede. Like it was. I remember watching that. I've got the masks, you know, that used to come on the mask. I got all the different masks in my. In my house now. That's one of my.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

That's one of my clips too. What we talking about. Because this was classic.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Deadly Venoms. That was crazy. Is they all like hid their identity.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah. Definitely didn't know.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

That's why the monster hanging around each other. Nobody knew.

[Tony Ayo]

So that's in your top five of movies. Give me four more.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

So yeah, if our delivery veterans definitely won, I'll say the 26 chambers of Shaolin.

[Tony Ayo]

I gotta look at that one.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I would say for me, as much as I respect Bruce Lee, that was more my parents. I'd say that kind of was like that. I grew up on Jackie Chan, Jet Li, Donnie and Sammo Hong. So like Meals on Wheels. For some reason, I just. It was. It's a bit more comedic as well, but I just love Summer Hong, Jackie Chan, Rumble in the Bronx. And then twin. Twin warriors was Jet Li or they. They had two names for it. They had tai chi masters. And I think when it came to the US it was Twin Warriors. So that's another one that was just.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Got you.

[Tony Ayo]

All right, so we know. I had a little respectful.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I ain't gonna hate him.

[Tony Ayo]

You think so?

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Oh, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

You think his was fake, all that he was doing?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I think everything he does, even if it. Even if it wasn't fake, I didn't like how it portrayed on. On camera. And I think. I think a lot of that was

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

like he never got hit.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

That's what I mean.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

He never bruised, man.

[Tony Ayo]

This guy, bro.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

His hair is never out of place.

[Tony Ayo]

Pause.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

He was like under.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

All of the fighters.

[Tony Ayo]

All of the fighters with the Jamaicans wasn't a classic.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Nah. They had moments like it's not. I'm not. I'm not taking away from.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

I know what he's saying about Steven.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, about Steven and everybody that's with him. Like, I think it was. Who was it? Dmx. Was him in a movie. DMX is up and you look like nigga, nice happen to you.

[Tony Ayo]

Rest in peace. Deal.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah. You know what I mean? Big rest in peace, man.

[Tony Ayo]

A couple of people was in movies with him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

And they all got.

[Tony Ayo]

BE was really my favorite one.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Okay, now he got busy with the Jamaican.

[Tony Ayo]

Screw a fist never die.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

But I was never. I've never, never been a fan of. Fan of his stuff. And then I heard some stories even later on with him. Specifically, he used to beat the. Like, obviously this. They trained to take hits and what. But he'd do certain things on purpose to injure people. And there's been enough people even now you listen to all the stuff that people working with him. They said they didn't like him at all, but I just never. That never resonated with me. That's him specifically. Chuck Norris. 100 beast. But again, I watched him. Van has a Beast. Kickboxer Blood split. Come on.

[Tony Ayo]

Definitely.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Come on.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

You know what's crazy?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

The first. The first film he was in, he didn't do. He didn't throw a punch or nothing. He was in Breakdance. I don't know if you know. Beat Street, Breakdance Classic. He was in that just as an extra. He was. There's a scene where these guys are breakdancing by the beach and he just. He just. He's massive and he's just like, just on the side.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Look at that.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Look at that.

[Tony Ayo]

That's crazy. So I got you. Being a British champion Silver medalist at 2010 World's Martial Art Games. What was that like?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Like, that was. That was interesting because we had to go to. To China to do that at the World Games. And that was the first time I kind of went to a. Just a place like that. And it was annoying. It's a guy that I beat everywhere else. And then we got to there and it just. He just had my. He just had me that day. And it's always one of those ones because our sport, you're constantly fighting the same people, but just in different locations. So I thought I fought him I think in Italy probably like three weeks before that for a European Championship. Another Europeans. I beat him like a few weeks before that. We used to fight regular and I got to there. I think I just made the occasion bigger in my head. Because I'm traveling for the first time, like, at that far get to China. I'm just, like, looking around. I'm just a tourist. Yo, this place is dope. This. And this is. This is. This was my upbringing in terms of visual. I've never. I've never been there, but I've seen a lot of these buildings and stuff. With all of the stuff that I watch, you know, I'm saying. So I got there, I was hyped, but it was a amazing experience. But I just feel like that was the first time I was like, ah, yeah. I took my eye off the prize. I'm here for a reason. And I'm. I'm so focused on, like, oh, became a tourist. Yeah, yeah. Got caught up in that. We went to the Great Wall of China and did all this stuff, which is great, but I was there for a reason. Got you. And I feel like I just lost my focus still. I cleaned most people and just got to the final. Someone that I was familiar with. I'm like, I know he's good as well. I'm like, Hungarian, you trained this hard.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

It's like that or like, I think

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I just wasn't mentally. In my head, I had already beaten him as well, without. I haven't done it yet. And then as the fight's going on, you start panicking because I'm like, it's not. The time's running low. And, like, I know he's. He's beating me. So. Yeah, yeah. Like, it's. That wasn't my. It was a good learning curve for me that regardless of what's going on around you, regardless of the excitement that's going around you, your job is still your job. So. Yeah, but I loved it.

[Tony Ayo]

So where the flying knee comes from. I really want to do this to Uncle Murder.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Boy, I tell you, this guy, I really. When me and Mike was back, Back. Back in the back room, right? He already said, listen, Merc, you're looking like you in shape, my brother. You know, we a see. Listen, brother, stop playing.

[Tony Ayo]

I'mma punch a hole through this guy. Mike, can you just. Can you just show the people? Just. Can you give us example?

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

You should make my guy do all type of fly kicks on. This our family right here. This our guy.

[Tony Ayo]

Camera. So people a seat.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Oh, so, yeah, don't. I'mma sit there. I got you.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I got ahead.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

My man Mike about to kick. Yeah, yeah. Get in the front so he can kick you right quick.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

A lot of times, people don't expect to fly a knee from Here? Yeah. Normally a bit more square. I like to be from here. It's unexpected, and then it's. It's. You got to get used to, like, a. A switch. When you get used to that, you can get some height on that, and you can do it from your legs. Need to be from here. If you do this, you're telling them what's. What's going to happen. So it needs to be from here. And then it's just boom.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Should.

[Tony Ayo]

You should have hit me.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Go say

[Tony Ayo]

you should have hit him. You would have hit me with that. That would have been show.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

No edit.

[Tony Ayo]

No edit. No edit. Man, that broke the wind off that motherfucker. Years to talk of New York. Tony Ayo.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

And this the boy LED Jet, Lenny. Whoa.

[Tony Ayo]

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[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

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[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. That's the man. How'd you feel about the transition? Because I. You've been a star, a big star on Bellator. You know, 50, had business with them. And that's when I started to really know you.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

You know, like, oh, Bellator, I'm not gonna lie.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

He definitely was talking about you, like, for a long time. I'm not gonna hold, like, letting us know, like, yo, now y' all got to see this.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

He can be getting busy.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Because you gotta understand, I ain't gonna hold you real.

[Tony Ayo]

For me, it's like, yo, you could be a good fighter and be a boring fighter, and to people, you're not a good fighter. So when you see him, he's in a class of McGregor, Jon Bones, Jones, and the list goes on of flashy fighters. You know, he's coming in, he's popping his shit. He's doing just all kinds of shit. You never know what he's gonna do, you know, entertaining Anderson Silva, like, he's one of them guys. Those guys are, like, entertaining fighters. So for me, even if these guys lose, I'm gonna watch their fighting again and again and again and again. But talk about the transition from Bellator to ufc. They're both big, you know, big platforms, but the UFC is like, you know.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, I'd say that there's a lot of people that struggle to go from other shows to the UFC just because of the magnitude of the ufc. It's crazy down to the fans. The fans are. It's different level that. They are way more intense, way more from a Bellator show to a UFC show, it's just different. And. But for me, I was like. Like I said, 10 times world champion, I fought all around the world before I even got to Bellator. So even when I got to Bellator, everyone was already making a big, big deal out of it. I'm just like, yeah, I just. I'm just gonna keep being me. Got you. That's what got me here. I'm gonna keep being me. Same thing. I was delivering, delivering, delivering. Then when I got to ufc, I'm like, yeah, same thing. Just keep being myself. Like, just don't worry about anything else. Don't worry about the pressures. Until I got to the ufc, and I was like, I understand why people don't perform, because it just feels like a weight. It feels like. It feels like an audition. No matter what you've done and what you've proved that you obviously prove something to be there. You get there, and you feel like everyone's now watching you. Like, well, you starting all over. Yeah, starting all over again. All over. And you get there, and it's just like. I remember one of the press conferences I got, and I've. In terms of nerves, I've never really gotten nervous. I always have, like, an anxious feeling of, like, excitement.

[Tony Ayo]

Right.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

And I was at a press conference, and I was just, like, nervous. I'm like. My heart was just. I've never felt like this before.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

So you was kind of mad ever?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, but I was just like, Well, I was like, I'm trying to calm myself down, but now I'm. Now I'm worried that people can see that I'm nervous. I'm doing stuff that's not even me. So Then again, even when I perform, like, I still perform well, but I still don't feel I've performed the way I know I can. And that's even till now, and I've had some great fights on the ufc, and I still don't feel like I've done what I would normally do. Had I been anywhere else or had I fought this guy just in the gym, people would just be like, oh, yeah, you'd see. You'd see someone get demolished in a very flashy way. But. But then I get to the ufc and I'm beating people, but just beating people.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

What do you think? It's too much lights, camera, action over there.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh, what do you mean? That is like.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

But you, like, you think it's too much of that for you? Like, it's like, it's so much of that for you.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, it's difficult to kind of pin, like, pin it. I just. All I was trying to do when I realized it, it's probably about two, three fights in that I realized what's. What's happening. And then I'm just. All I'm trying to do is say, look, you just need to go back to just being you. Forget everything else. Just enjoy it. But it is. It's always difficult. Second, the whole build up is. Is designed to make every fire anxious. It's like the whole build up, like, no matter what stage you are in your career, whether you're new to UFC and you're a young buck or you've been there a little while, it was always feels like there's pressure, always. Like I said, I thought I already knew I'd be able to beat these guys in ufc, because, like I say, we cross train. I've. From before I even got to Bellator, I was sparring guys in the ufc. And that, I tell you now, there's nobody can come back and say they had. They had a good time sparring me outside. So I already knew that. I was already confident in myself, that. Oh, no. But I fought this level.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Yeah, got you.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

But it's very different fighting a couple coaches, teammates, and to a crowd of people, the pressure of the money. Because the way they do the pay structure, I don't do it now, but the way they do the. Did the pay structure for a lot of fighters is certain amount, half to. To show up. So second you step in the cage, that's your half, and then if you win, you get the other half.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

What?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Exactly.

[Tony Ayo]

It's like being a rapper.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

We get paid at our back end.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

But, yeah, but that's crazy. So you try to say, basically, you get in half when you step in the ring, and if you lose the fight, you don't get your.

[Tony Ayo]

No back end, no backend.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

But. And this is where there's always been a lot of talk about pay. And for me, even if the pay is low, it should be, give me what you think I'm worth. The second I get this is just done. Don't give me the added stress that during the fight. Because humans are humans, man. They get the total amount and they're already spending it in their head.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Better believe it.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

And then someone hits you and you're wobbling the key. You're like, shit.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Now you think about that money.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

That's too much stress. Why, bro? We already kill ourselves to get there. And now you want to add extra pressure and extra stress. Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying.

[Tony Ayo]

That crazy. We haven't even looked at it.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

So I believe you got that. Took it out of your.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah. No, from. I've had it out from Bellator days. Okay, copy. But you have to get to a certain level of popularity, fame, or success, which is. That is hard. That's difficult enough. So imagine these guys. There's guys that are. I'm gonna use, like, there's a guy called Paddy Pimlet. He's big. Like, he's doing really, really well. He's got a great brand. Now, to be fair, I'm usually on it. I'm usually on it. Yeah, he's. He's. He's big. And I remember some of his earlier fights where he selling our stadiums. He. He was half on half, and the half. Like, the total amount was crap. Total amount was terrible. And you're like, this guy's selling out stadiums. There's a lot of pressure. And on top of that, he's in the uk. So we get paid in dollars. You gotta trans. You gotta change the currency on that back down to. From dollars to pound. Yeah, you're already.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

It's already losing.

[Tony Ayo]

What's the dollar difference, Eddie? What's the dial?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I think it's. It's not too bad now. I don't think. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. So imagine, especially from the uk, and I'm sure everyone's going to have their struggles, but I've seen it where a guy I know, one of my teammates, he's studying to be a lawyer. So he comes to the gym to train because he wants to be a Fighter, but he's also studying to be a lawyer, just in case.

[Tony Ayo]

Right.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

So he's fighting, training. I'm mash up after that first session. Then he goes, picks up a book and he's studying, studying, studying, studying, studying. Then he goes back and we have our second session, and he's training, training, training, training, training. And then he goes, goes home, watch, quick power nap. Then he goes out to the. To the clubs to do work, security, because he needs to make money. This guy was in Bellator. This guy was. This other guy was in ufc, and they're still having to do extra work. That's a lot of stress, man. Like, if you get to what you class as the pinnacle of your career, which is the ufc, this is so big.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

You should just be able to focus on the UFC. Right now. These guys are coming back home, having to second jobs and this and that and still perform, but nobody, no one's going to give them the grace. No one's going to talk about it.

[Tony Ayo]

Damn, nobody even knows.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

No one knows.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, because, you know, when you hit the ufc, that's the pinnacle of, of, you know, fighting

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

balance.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Exactly, man.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

And it's entertaining. No, what I'm saying is valid. And it's entertaining. Right. Very dangerous. So they should definitely be paying these guys and they making the money off this shit. Correct.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

The money is more than making them,

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

because I know this shit damn near took over boxing.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

[Tony Ayo]

I mean, you know, boxing is entertaining, but when somebody could use their feet, do jujitsu, do striking, that's way more entertaining than just two boxes. And I love boxing. I love the sports.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I love boxing.

[Tony Ayo]

So for me. And it's way more dangerous to me, me a little bit because. Because of the kicks. The kicks be brutal.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

So how they fix that? Is they working on fixing that?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Oh, things have slowly progressed, but, like, it even come out the other day. The UFC, as they say, like, and NFL will pay like 52% or something of the revenues go back to the. The players. I think soccer is like 30 something percent, but for the UFC specifically, it's like 16. But then the majority of that goes to the top 5% of the fights. So that's the more popular ones. So they. They got like 600 fighters on their books. And if the most. If most of that is going to top five. Yeah, just like, let's say the top

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

15, 20, 30, then there's only 16.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

It's only 16. Exactly. So it's like, it's difficult. It's difficult. And I always say like, try not to give some of these guys a hard time, because they are putting that. They are putting us. Like, the guy I don't know if you've seen recently, he was. He just fought my boy, Izzy Adesanier, bad boy style bender. He. Unfortunately, he lost. But then the guy had a. You know, you can see he's. He was, like, very emotional, and he had a speech afterwards, and he's like, two weeks ago, I was ready. I was ready to kill myself. He was just. Life was just.

[Tony Ayo]

Who.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

The guy who wants the guy who won? He said, two weeks ago, I was. I was. I was about to commit. Two weeks later, he's fighting Adesanya. He wins, and he's. Now it's catapulted him to, like, the top five or something.

[Tony Ayo]

Wow.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

And he was, like, ranked 17 or whatever it was before that. But this is the stuff that people are just not seeing, you know? I mean, I don't get around. Sure, everyone's gonna have their struggles, but I'm just saying it feels like there's a lot of the UFC can help alleviate some of those struggles.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Ufc. We gotta do better, man. We need to talk to. We gotta do better. We gotta do better, man.

[Tony Ayo]

Now, let me ask you a serious question. A family full of fighters.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Mom's a black belt. He can whip your ass. Dad's a black belt. He can whip your ass.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

You probably got uncles.

[Tony Ayo]

That's black.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Now, from you learning martial arts as a child, when did you know it was going to be a career for you? Like, you know, not just a family thing, a career. When did you know?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I'd say it was late. Late late as in it probably. It's probably. I was 24 when I actually got into MMA. Before that, although I've been winning these world titles, if I looked around me, the people that were successful fighters still didn't really have anything. They. It was because it wasn't popular enough. So they would open up schools, and from their popularity, they, you know, they'd open up schools, get students, and that's how they kind of became successful in their own right. I love teaching. I actually enjoy coaching. But in my head, I was like, nah, that's not what I want to do for myself, though. So then I was like, I need to take a risk somewhere. I need to go to boxing or MMA or something different where I can perform and make a living. I chose to try out mma, got there and just fell in love with the whole idea of it. I was able. I was Coaching at the time because it's my dad's school. He was like, look, put a little bit aside, it was not much. It's like 200 pound a month or something just to allow me to just focus on. On that and see where you get to. So did that after the first fires out. That was good. I went crazy viral. But my first fight, I legit got 80 pounds to fight. That was it. And then second fight is like a hundred pound. So again, it's not something that I feel like I'm gonna make a living from just yet.

[Tony Ayo]

Right?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

But at least I know I'm good at this. I'm like, okay, like, I'm making my names out there.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Sometimes it ain't what I want, but I'm good at this and I'm making some money off. Off of it.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

But I think it's when I got signed to Bellator, when I was like, okay, there's definitely a way for me to make a career. But like I said, the sport that I chose is still. It's. There's still a long grind to get to where you need to get to, right? And even when, like I say, my most viral fight is that knee, my pay was not good, but I went, I'm all over the world now. I'm viral, but I'm like, I can use that, definitely. So I think it's at that point where I'm like, no, I know I'm. I'm heading in the right direction. That kind of, like, said to me, like, yeah, okay, I can figure it out, right?

[Tony Ayo]

So how do you keep the discipline? Because, you know, we're on the road. You know, we blaming y'.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

All.

[Tony Ayo]

Creme de la caviar.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

This guy with exotic food menu. Here go my man with his exotic.

[Tony Ayo]

How do you talk to. How do you keep discipline? Cuz, for me, the food is like, you know, I love food. I know Murder. Murder loves bread. He's in shape now. He feeling. I just had a gut a couple of months ago, so I got the gut. Now. How the do you keep the discipline, bro?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

To be fair, it's difficult. I think everybody. Everybody's different. You just need to know yourself, how you motivate yourself. For me, I need a goal, I need a target. I need to be. I need to do something a bit more extreme, right? So same thing for me when I was on a film end of last year, like Jake Gyllenhaal's Roadhouse. Roadhouse? Yeah. It's not. It's gonna be out next year.

[Tony Ayo]

I watched It. I watched.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah, the first one. Yeah, yeah. It's dope. It's dope. This one's. This one's gonna level up again, so I got to be on that. But as you say, you're kind of sat there just hours, and it's just. People would just feed like, you want food. I'm like, I'm not doing nothing, so might as well. I might as well. So I understand how easy it is to. But then I know. I knew to my. I think sometimes you can give yourself the grace period because I enjoy food as well. Or give yourself the grace period and say, okay, cool. I'm gonna enjoy myself here. And then as soon as I get to this point here, to this point here, I need to go crazy. But that's just me. I know some of my teammates like to be disciplined all year round, but now food is a big part of my culture.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, you're Jamaican, right?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah. It's a big part of culture.

[Tony Ayo]

We went to the hood. We went to central. Yeah, Central Sea. Block. Central Sea. It was in a, you know, fancy spancy hotel.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

They had no Jamaican food. You know what I mean?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

You gotta go to the hood sometimes, but the food there is proper. And the thing is, I got a mixture. My. My dad's side is Trinidadian, and my mom's just. My mom's side is Jamaican. And both sides of food is amazing.

[Tony Ayo]

Right.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

And again, culture is. It's always sitting down, big family food eating. So it's difficult, but so I say to myself, enjoy that. Enjoy that side of it. But then you need to make sure you lock in. But you just need to know yourself how. What motivates you, you know, I mean,

[Tony Ayo]

you know, we all boys. The big parts.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, that's it.

[Tony Ayo]

You know what I mean?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah. Leftovers.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Boy, I feel like if I eat something now after a certain time of night, I just make sure I go, you definitely got to wake up early and work out.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Exactly. I've done that as well.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to do that. So if, you know you ate too

[Michael Page (Venom)]

much night before, you got to put

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

that work in in the morning.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

100%. But diet is the. Is. Is key. Like, regardless of any of the training, diet is key. That's what's going to keep you alive as long as possible, but keep you in shape.

[Tony Ayo]

Don't annoy you when somebody just start working out, Mike,

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

you know,

[Michael Page (Venom)]

you don't

[Tony Ayo]

have to talk about protein shakes all day. Now, come on. You know, I me get in shape, but come on people start working out in here. Tell me my best diet for me, I'm tired of this guy with his six pack. He bought six pack. He bought off the road.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Nah, you know what? It's. I'd say the key things is what. What tends to happen for most people is eating late and then obviously a lot of carby foods.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

That rice in that bread.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Rice and the bread, when you cut that out. And I'm not saying don't have it, but even down to the portions. One thing I had to do to say trick myself because when you're trying to eat healthy or portion control, if you put it on a normal plate, it doesn't feel like you've got a meal. So I decided using smaller plates because then at least I feel like it's full. Visually, I'm looking at like, okay, cool, I got a full plate and then I eat that. And I actually, I don't feel. I feel. I don't even feel like eating anymore because I feel like I've mentally tricked myself. But if I put it on a normal sized plate and I just see a little bit of rice here, a little bit this little bit, I'm like, I'm gonna go for seconds.

[IBM AI Representative]

Yeah.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Like what I'm doing.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah. But sometimes, again, you got to know yourself what motivates you. But late night eating is always a worse Snacking is.

[Tony Ayo]

Give me a while. Snacking with the chips.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Everything you're talking, everything you thought about just now. Give me an example.

[Tony Ayo]

Beat somebody's ass.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Everything now. But snacking in general, again, even if you're going to snack, try to do it with like fruits and like stuff that's not. Yes, yeah, yeah. Just go get. And the thing is that I know for the most part you'll have it there.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

He got the chips, the sour patch, everything.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

And the fruits.

[Tony Ayo]

Little. I know you got all that. I don't eat it.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

The kids, you see me, I'll be on the cashews like that almonds. That's my little snack.

[Tony Ayo]

He eat a lot of fish too.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah. So that's again, it's a light, light like. Yeah. Lot of things that you want. Definitely always hit steaks is good. But again, it's just portion control. I'm not saying don't eat anything. I'm saying enjoy. Enjoy eating food. But just be disciplined of time that you eat. Because a lot of people eat late. Especially if you just come off a show. You're getting back home to the hotel late and it's like, I'm hungry. But you have to be distant to say, like, bro, it's not a good time to eat. Let me just drink a load of water. That usually fills you up. You just drink loads and loads of water now and then, boom, wake up, eat your breakfast and whatever. Whatever. But, yeah, the normal is get home and there's nothing. Nothing's open pizza, so no room service

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

on 50 black cards in a while, too.

[Tony Ayo]

He had a belly a minute ago. He.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

That's the first thing I said, though.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Okay. I said, you focus. You.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

But, you know, it's funny, you see it in so many different things. Like, I come and I'm like, your skin, like, from. Like, your skin's glowing smoother. Your everything. Muscles are like tighter. Like, just little things. It is what it is.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Is something, Mike.

[Tony Ayo]

I promise you. M. Teach me.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

M. Teach me. You crazy. On a plane. Right on the plane.

[Tony Ayo]

So what's the workout like? To kick somebody's ass. Because you're like a walking machine. Like, we was going to call security. I'm like, what? We need security? Kick a gun out.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. It's a lot.

[Tony Ayo]

Give me a workout. Because now you got shout to Diamond Gym. You got popularity on Instagram, like, the Diamond Gym guys. You got the workout guys that's doing all the muscle ups.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Pull ups. It's like, it's. It's popular to be healthy, which is a good thing.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Especially when you're getting older and stuff like that. So my whole thing is, what would you tell me, like, to work out? Would you say do chest one day, do back one day with like. Or would you say calisthenics? Pull ups. What's your workout?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

It depends on what you're doing. Obviously, I have to work out a specific way because there's a job at the end of it. You know what I'm saying? So maybe for yourself, being on stage for hours and running about, you might. You might want to work out the legs, your knees, make sure you're there. Good, because you're jumping up and down. You're doing all this. All this kind of performative thing. You want to be in shape, look good, back the top off, and to show everybody. Yeah, I'm here, still young. It just depends on what you want to work on. Calisthenics always makes you look good because it's body weight. But what I like about it is people feel like you have to do weights. You don't have to do weights at all. Like, calisthenics. Is just body weight. And sometimes we end up getting injured because when we're doing weights, it's all like one dimensional, it's all in one direction kind of saying it's because you're having to stabilize yourself the whole time. You work your smaller muscles and the bigger muscles. And you see some of these guys like big heavyweights. I'm not saying there's nothing wrong with it, I'm not against it. But these guys will be trying to lift something and they're struggling and you get someone that doesn't look like much and they're just like, just because they every. Their body is in sync with themselves, you know what I mean? So calisthenics definitely. If you're just talking about getting in shape, healthy, in shape, and there's nothing at the end of it. Boxing is always good because I think it's just a stress reliever or kickboxing because you're staying in shape by. Also life can be stressful. So I'm hitting pads definitely is good for me. Again, like I said, I have to be intentional. So we do wrestling, jiu jitsu, we do ground and pound, we do weights, we do fitness like endurance, short bursts, long road running as well. Like, there's, there's a lot that has to go into the end result. So for me, there's a multitude of things I have to do. But if you're just staying in shape, just pick something and just stay stick, stick with it.

[Tony Ayo]

That's what I'm saying. Like being a UFC fighter is like the hardest job because you don't know what's coming out. Jiu jitsu, he know how to fight on the floor, which I want you to put murder in the arm bar.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

I want to see if he can stop.

[Tony Ayo]

Arm ball, I can't get out. I want to put you in like Jiu jitsu, the arm balls, flying kicks. Boxing, it's so much kickboxing, it's like, it's like three, four elements of fighting. Then you got the pressure of the crowd, you know what I mean? Ufc, the biggest stage for, for martial arts, bro. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's so crazy. It's like so much pressure. Then you gotta be in shape. You got to keep weight, you got to diet.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

The weight is the hardest thing. Like the, the weight cut, should I say, not the weight, the weight cut. Like my last fight, like I said, because of the roadhousing, I went up to and I, I, we UK is more kg, so I went up to 106 kgs, and I had to get to 77 kgs in two months, eight weeks to just cut everything out. And that's a lot of weight to drop.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

So, yeah, that's like £70 you got to lose.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Damn. You had to lose that much?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

How many weeks?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Eight weeks.

[Tony Ayo]

So why do they say when some fighters do that, it them up like it does?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

It just depends on how you do it. I'm. I've been blessed to kind of understand my body. This one was definitely more difficult because I don't usually. I'd never get to that level. I think the highest I've been before that was about, like, 94, 95. So there's a lot extra at 10 kgs extra. So it was diff. It was a bit more difficult, but I kind of understand my body well enough to know this is what it needs, is what it doesn't need. I had nutrition nutritionist as well. So I contact him and like, yo, my. The weight's not dropping. What's. What can I do? Oh, yeah, have this, do that, take this. But, yeah, it's difficult.

[Tony Ayo]

I mean, when you look at, you know, guys like LeBron, you know what I'm saying? 41, still killing. Like, yeah, she's 21.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

So crazy.

[Tony Ayo]

So you feel like the nutritionist, the food, the diet, and the workouts all

[Michael Page (Venom)]

is one key, key, key, key. Like the. As youngsters. So when I. When I first stepped in the game, you had the hardest session in the world. And the next day, I'm good to go again. Like, I feel nothing. But as you get older, I can have the easiest session in the world. And next day, I'm like, I don't want to go nowhere.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Got you.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

You know what I mean? But that's. But I'm still trained. There was a point where I was still training like a youngster, thinking my body's just gonna bounce back. But if you get. As a youngster, you get into the habit of the recovery side, it's yin and yang. The recovery side is the aggressive side, but then also the relaxed side.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Like my.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

My wife, she does. She's got her own app. She's a Pilates instructor. I was in Pilates. I'm. Oh, shaking. I was like, yo, you're big. Big MMA fighter. Strong, bro. I was shaking. She's. She's just there, just doing that stretch and doing it. I'm just looking at me like, you need to. You need to do this side as well, and it's gonna help. Like, Your core stability and all that kind of stuff. Ice buffs, saunas, all these different things that before I'm like, bro, I'll just wake up and I'm fine, I'll go back to training. But now, when you get to a certain age, but even when you're younger, you should make it as part. It should be a habit just to get into. So when you get older, it's just not as. It's just normal to you. But yeah, when we're young, we just feel like we're going to be that way forever.

[Tony Ayo]

It's crazy.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, but I said to you, it's all. There's. It's almost like a high feeling, bro. You do a sauna, you jump on ice buff. It's a shock. And you know, you relax, you control your breathing. You stay in there for like a minute, minute and a half, two minutes. Get out, bro. I just. You're just like. You sit down. The most relaxed you ever felt. You're amazing. Just getting over that first initial shock

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

of that cold feeling, that cold.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Once you get past that control and then you get out. Seriously. Yeah. It's Satin House.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Try that, man.

[Tony Ayo]

Ice Bath is crazy, bro.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

I'm gonna try that. I might have to try that.

[Tony Ayo]

So we do something on a real report, we ask every legend who is their top five fighters.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Oh, I like that one.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, I always time.

[Tony Ayo]

It could be any era.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Tony Ayo]

It don't have to be now.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

It could be before, just in combat or. Or boxing or just MMA or any

[Tony Ayo]

which way you want to go.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Okay, okay, okay. So obviously the goal has to be out there. Muhammad Ali, of course, rest in peace. Yeah, rest in peace. He has to be there. I think he just changed the game for everybody. Not just boxing. It was for absolutely everybody. His character, personality, charisma, and obviously the fighting style. Jon Jones, I'm going to give it to him for mma because I feel like, as you. You mentioned, MMA is such a difficult sport to be great at because there's so many different ways for you to lose. The fact that he's done it in the. He hasn't lost as much as they say. He's got a loss on his record, that was a disqualification. I still feel to this day they need to take that off. Yeah, that was some. So you'd have to give it to him. The fact that he could. Even now, he could still be going similar to like the LeBron James and what you're saying, like, he's getting older and still just whooping people like it's nothing. So you gotta give him his respect. Pernell Whitaker for me was just somebody that I just. And rest in peace again, because that

[Tony Ayo]

was a crazy rest in peace legend. Yep.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

That was somebody that again, I, I enjoy similar styles to myself that love to express themselves in unique ways. I feel like I'm the kind of person if everybody's going in that direction, I just kind of want to see what's happening over here just to just explore. And he seemed like that guy. You can watch him. I could watch it for hours. Yeah. Yeah. Weird enough, I'm gonna stay with boxing again and say Emmanuel Augustus because again, as a drunken master, drunken boxing just something unique. And it's not like, okay, he has the best record. It has nothing to be about. It's his style, what he did. Even I think to this day Mayweather says that's his hardest fight, which says something about definitely what he, what he brought to his game. Demetrius Johnson. For me again, if I go back to mma, some people underestimate, not under smile, just kind of overlook the smaller guys. But he is the most well rounded athlete in mma. He could do everything. And I had a privilege of kind of training with him and I was like, I understand how you, why you're so dangerous. There's little things that he did. I'm like, I don't even think the way he thinks to how he capitalizes on every single thing to, to hit you again, hit you again, hit you again. We there's normally kind of pockets where people know that it's dangerous where he's dangerous like right the way through. You know what I mean? It was crazy. So I'd say him.

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[Michael Page (Venom)]

IBM Al jegara los cinquenta prendido algunas

[Alicia (MG Cooking Expert)]

cosas om el valor de la familia,

[Michael Page (Venom)]

la importancia del trabajo. And in terms of again, I'm going to go back to boxing. Boxing's got the most history in terms of boxing. You have to give it to Mayweather in terms of defensively and offensively. You know when he was coming up the ranks and he's a lighter weight fighting people more naturally his weight. He's knocking everybody out and then he gets, he gets on, he goes up in up in weight categories. It's obviously harder to to knock people out that's heavier, that's naturally heavier than you. But then also defensively you got to be careful because these guys hit harder than you. But then turned adjusted it with his team, his dad, his uncle and he became the most defensive genius in in the game. So yeah, you have to give it to him in terms of if you had to write a list on offensive Boxing on defensive boxing, you could probably just use him and you'd be good.

[Tony Ayo]

Let me ask you a question. Would you fight like a Mayweather, like a McGregor fight? Would you?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Oh, yeah, Boxing too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm a combat fan.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

If, if it's combat. Remember I did bare knuckle as well. I did bare knuckle. I went over to. Yeah, yeah. I did jujitsu. I did a jujitsu competition. I did like kickboxing competition. But boxing, I boxed two zero. Boxing.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

We'll box one of these guys out here for some of that money.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I like combat. If you're telling me you're gonna be fighting someone, then we. I'm good to go. Just tell me what the rules are. I'm there. I' yeah, so yeah, yeah, yeah. Like anything combat wise.

[Tony Ayo]

Knock out Jake Paul too.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Oh, for fun.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Definitely set it up for entertainment.

[Tony Ayo]

Kicking, it's over for you too.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I respect what he's doing. Not even just on the, the fact that he's from being a YouTuber to kind of just competing and having all these eyes, but also what he's doing for other fighters. The same thing I'm saying about people not gifting the fighters the, the respect and the money that they deserve. He's out there like, I'll do it myself. He's doing now with this MVP show, paying people, right. The women shows that he's got going, like he's doing. He's pushing it the way it should have been pushed for a long time.

[Tony Ayo]

No, I agree. I love what he's doing, but I feel like, you know, coming up watching, you know, Mike Tyson and Holyfield and we just never looked at him as like, he's a YouTube fighter.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

So now it's like what he's doing is brilliant. It's like it's more.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Is it more entertainment?

[Tony Ayo]

It's more entertainment. Do you feel like marketing is taking over the sport, brother?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Like, I think market is taking over every industry. Yeah. It doesn't really matter. If he decided to go and say, I'm gonna do a golf competition, everyone's watching. Same. Same way they're watching in boxing. He just, he just was. He figured out a way to get eyes on him and he's like, okay, anytime if I jump into over here, those same eyes are going to watch me. And it's a younger generation. These guys are avid fans from young. So like, these guys are YouTube, like just stuck on YouTube watching everything this man does. So no matter where he goes, oh

[Tony Ayo]

yeah, I watch all his fights. I'm not going to say I don't watch.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Like Mayweather and Tyson, supposed to be fighting them all. Watching that.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh, sorry.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I. I don't even know why I didn't add Tyson. And that's my bad. I feel I disrespected the man.

[Tony Ayo]

Brooklyn, come on.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I disrespected the man. I apologize. Tyson is 100 up there.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, Tyson's on the list.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Supposed to fight Mayweather.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

I don't think that fight is really happening.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh, it's not happening.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, I think they changed it. No, it's changed to.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh, that's great.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

That one's more relevant. So when it, when it's things like that.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

I mean, after Tyson with Jake Paul, we, you know.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Yeah, we there.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I don't like seeing. I didn't really want to watch that fight only because I don't want a picture of Jake Paul standing over Mike Tyson. I just don't want to see it. And just in case, regardless, he's Mike Tyson. He's just older now. It's not. I'm not saying if prime Mike Tyson could just look at Jake Paul and Jake Paul would fall over, but right now it's not the same. So we kind of lose ourselves in. We're kind of stuck in time. We see the knockouts that we used to see of Mike Tyson and the name state is there. So we're like, that's the same guy. It's not.

[Tony Ayo]

I was smoking with him in Vegas and he took my joint and didn't pass it back, and I didn't even want to ask him for it. So every time I'm in a room, I've been around him a couple of times, a little intimidated.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

He's got. He's got a certain presence. Yeah, yeah. But you, like, say you're stuck with what you know of. Of this guy. But yeah, like, stuff like that. I just really want to.

[Tony Ayo]

I don't even want to ask him. Fair enough. Keep it. Talking about all this fight. We talking about all this fight in the gym. Let's talk about the fight you have outside the gym with your foundations that you're doing and the stuff you're doing for kids and amazing things you're doing for the community.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah. So, like, the family business is we got sen schools called Renaissance, and we kids that have eating disorders, kids that have autism or like just difficulty learning, we build and design schools that cater for exactly that. But it's so crazy. I went to one of the schools that we have in, in Birmingham, see how they go there, see how they get along, speak to the kids. I did a little martial arts session for them as well. But I'm going through the school and I'm like, yo, I, I. It would. This school would have helped me because of the way they construct the room and how they construct the school. It allows for, no matter what level of learning that you are at, to just to cope. So, for example, if you're in a science lab, they'll have a window with the kids doing the actual science, like, whatever it is they're doing experiments on at the window. There's a table there for people to watch so the other kids can watch what's going on and observe, take notes if you don't want. If that's because, again, people forget. Like, we don't teach kids emotional control. And when you're overwhelmed, whatever it is that kind of overwhelms kids, we don't give them a way out. Everything is in the same way. Like lines of classes looking at the front and we. Everyone's. I got ADHD myself. Trying to stay focused is difficult. So if that's not keeping your attention, you can go to a. It's a circular table in the middle of the room. You can go to the circular table and. And converse. And now I, I don't want to sit there and watch because I'm not doing. But me and you can talk about, oh, yeah, that's crazy. Oh, yeah, okay. Okay, yeah, yeah. Like, okay, yeah. And then if this is too overstimulating, there's a bench facing the window outside. You can go there. So at any stage, wherever you are at, there's a place for you to go in one classroom. And then you get to that, like, the window, the bench at the back, you're like, I just want to be by myself. You're just doing work by yourself. If that is still overstimulating, there's. We have dark rooms, so the kids can just go. And it's sensory rooms. So you go in there, it's dark, and there's like, this will be like, light lit up, and there's stuff that they can play with. And just to calm yourself down, you know what I mean? And then. And the thing is, no teacher will ever tell you you can't leave. You can leave anytime you want. So you don't feel restricted.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, it doesn't feel like a jail setting.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

It doesn't feel like it's exactly.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

What's the ages with this?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

So it Goes right, it's from primary, primary school. So I forget the different schools system that you have, but right the way up to the end of high school, going into college, so. And then we're just building and just opening up more schools. I think we just got permission for three more schools and then we got looking at another one as well. So that'll make about 10 schools. So we're just building. We're just building. Building.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh, that's, that's crazy. What that you said that because like us putting our kids in school, you know, spells it's time schedule. You're overwhelmed, you go on class, you got to go to this class. And a lot of people, you know, teach their kids in school. They just keep teaching my home.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Because you know, they're teaching them what they want to learn as far as business or anything creative or like. What I like what you just said is you can go anywhere you want. There's no pressure.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

There's no pressure as long as we know where you're going. So like overstimulated like I want to leave. Yeah, no problem. Here you go. We're going to go to the dark room here. Do your thing. There's a, there's a farm, like a mini farm as well. One thing that especially kids from where we would, would come from, like certain black parents ain't having pets in their house. So you don't ever get like it's something, something. So. Yeah bro. Or something.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

That's why I got do.

[Tony Ayo]

It's true though.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

It's true. But you don't realize how, how much, how relaxing having a pet is or how much you learn about taking care of other something else other than yourself. So what you learn from that thing? So having a farm and a space for them to go and see ducks, fish, goats, chickens, these kind of things interact with animals that they would never have the opportunity at their house. That's what, that's what they're getting there. So we're just trying to build that because I feel like you have to. It has to start from there because the. It feels like the world's going crazy right now. But we need to try and educate these guys properly. For me, based on the school system that I had, like, and we, I spoke about my wife, I want to homeschool the kids. But now that I'm working in the schools, I'm like, I would send my kids to the school.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Got you. Okay.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Like you don't have to have anything. I would send my kids to a school that caters for all of these things. You know what I mean? But yeah, like, that's. That's what. What we're doing on that side. It's important.

[Tony Ayo]

Well, we ready for this Armbo? You ready? He gotta do it on me.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

I want to see him do it on you.

[Tony Ayo]

What? Take your changes.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

I got too much signal. That's why I said that's muscles. I want to see him. We got to get you in shape.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

This is part of. We're going to do some training at some point.

[Tony Ayo]

In shape. We got to get scared to get. He's scared to get bit by a dog. He's scared to get put in the arm. He took all this Brooklyn Tough Dog suit on.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Was it your dog you're training your dog?

[Tony Ayo]

No, it was just a dog I wanted to buy.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Jumped on this. He told the Duke to get it off.

[Tony Ayo]

Listen, I'm not Michael Page. Venom is gonna put me in a. A light.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Oh, let's go.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I'll do something. I'll show you this. This r. Choke.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Choke that Mike. Look at this. Calm down.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, cuz.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

He talk too much.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah, yeah. No merc. That. She was on the Adam. It wasn't no regular choke.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

It wasn't. Back up, back up.

[Tony Ayo]

Feel that.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Come on, man.

[Tony Ayo]

You taking the easy

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

ass.

[Tony Ayo]

You just whispered in his ear. Take it easy. Take it easy on.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

That's what they TRA to do. This punk ass.

[Tony Ayo]

Ready? Yo, listen, man, I'm not. I'm not taking no. 2 more punks. I'mma fly knee. Kick them glasses off your face and them chains, boy. I ain't with none of that. He told him. Take it easy. Still hurt, man. Could kill with his hands, brother. What are you talking about? Here live from London, man. Anything you want to tell us again? You. You know what. What you got going on, man?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I'm waiting for opponents to actually say yes to me.

[Tony Ayo]

Stop being scared.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Stop ding that smoke. You guys, when you get back to the. The UK My restaurant, Ixell, it's a Mexican restaurant. Oh, except definitely you guys. Yeah, yeah. You guys gotta come come through to that. We're doing so much things. I got the film company in which. This is why I was out in L. A The other day. I remember I said you guys might have been out there at the same time. I was out in L. A. Because the first film that we produced called wait. Just got nominated for Beverly Hills Award. Yeah, we're doing work on that side. We might be doing a film in Costa Rica. Our first feature film in Costa Rica. Soon as well. So the film. My production company is called ITM in the Moment Productions because we're trying to bring you in the moment.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

You ain't just knocking everything, filming all type everything, everything.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Like I try to get my hands in different, different pies. Like you have to. Like I said this, this doesn't last forever. It doesn't necessarily pay well, but it doesn't last forever as well. But also again, for me, it's like you give me the spotlight and then I'll, I, I'll go get the work. Yeah, yeah, I'll go, I'll go get a work done myself. I don't need, I don't need anybody.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Right.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

We just, we just put the work in. Definitely.

[Tony Ayo]

How was that experience on set with Roadside too? I've seen the first one.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Oh, listen, the first. It was, it was difficult. Like in a different way. It was draining because I'm not doing it. My body's so used to being active and I'm on set for hours and this is what I'm doing. Like, got you. Like, it was a weird. There's like weird endurance, but in a very different way. Like just being on set. Because remember we, we spoke with Scott Badnik.

[Tony Ayo]

Yeah. Right.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I say we've got to get you in the next film as well. Yeah, I'm ready.

[Tony Ayo]

Street Fighter. I'm ready. For real. For real.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

For real. Right there.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah. I haven't seen it. You see. Watch it yet.

[Tony Ayo]

A couple of months or maybe October, I think. October.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Oh, okay. Oh, it's fine. Okay. I just saw the promotion coming soon, so. Yeah. Yeah, I got a. I've got a beef jerky company.

[Tony Ayo]

Beef jerky is good though. Pause. Yeah, you gotta say beef jerky's good. Pause. Beef jerky from the store.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Pause.

[Tony Ayo]

He got a beef jerky company.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Pause. Yeah.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Snap down snacks.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

All right.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Yeah, that's not down snacks dot com.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Okay.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

So we're doing stuff with that. I'm involved in football. This. There's. There's a lot going on. Staying busy, staying busy, staying busy. But the, the, the main things is the schools. Like I said, you go help the kids first.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Definitely.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

And then give them opportunities. Like the football, like film acting, all that kind of stuff. So. But it starts with getting them right at school, getting their mentor right at school, at SCN schools.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

And then even teach them about diet in that school too.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

No, exactly that. No, but that's what I'm saying, cuz we got.

[Tony Ayo]

I didn't even think about that.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Good one, M. Good one. Yeah, that's it. Man, we. We're working. We're working.

[Tony Ayo]

We'll name the restaurant again because I

[Michael Page (Venom)]

got a food show up. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Ayo]

Definitely come out there, do that. I got a food show coming.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

And what's the name of the restaurant?

[Michael Page (Venom)]

I X C H E L ikshell. It's a Mexican God of moon God.

[Tony Ayo]

Oh, that be.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

That's.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

That's fire. Fire.

[Tony Ayo]

And you got all kinds of stuff up and coming. Fights, y' all fighters, stop being scared.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Stop ducking that smoke.

[Tony Ayo]

Stop. And he will fight. And he will fight any boxer, too.

[Michael Page (Venom)]

Anybody

[Alicia (MG Cooking Expert)]

care?

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Your fighters ufc? Let's figure out a way to make this easier for them. Y' all entertaining the world. Pay the fighters.

[Tony Ayo]

Let's go. We got Michael page. Venom part 2. We will be in the octagon and he will train me and murder. Probably be in London when we do that. That's how I live out the suitcase episodes. We all around the world. We got the Pound for pound champion here. Make some noise for Michael Page.

[Murder (Co-host / Friend)]

Hit him. Whoa, Whoa.

[Tony Ayo]

The Real Report Like Share subscribe. We only bring legends up here. Let's go.

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[Michael Page (Venom)]

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