T.I. on NEW ALBUM ‘Kill the King,’ Pharrell collabs, hilarious 21 Savage introduction & Joe’s Atlantic Records story

Summary

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Joe and Jada Ep. – T.I. on NEW ALBUM ‘Kill the King,’ Pharrell Collabs, Industry Stories & More

Podcast: Joe and Jada
Date: June 25, 2026
Guests: T.I.
Hosts: Fat Joe, Jadakiss

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Episode Overview

This lively episode features Southern rap legend T.I. joining Fat Joe and Jadakiss for an extended, wide-ranging conversation. From T.I.’s twelfth—and final—album Kill the King and new Pharrell collaborations to hilarious industry stories, the trio dives deep into hip-hop history, the reality of major label deals, the evolution of the trap, and stories of success, loss, and authenticity. The tone is relaxed, raw, and full of camaraderie, with Fat Joe and T.I. trading stories, wisdom, and plenty of jokes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

T.I.’s Career, Independence, and New Album

• T.I.’s Legacy and Going Out Independent:

  • Hosts praise T.I. for his career, especially his legacy in trap music and impact on Atlanta and hip-hop (“You think of a king who built his throne from the ground up.” – Fat Joe, 03:20).
  • T.I. discusses moving toward independence: “He’s going out on his own terms. Independent picture, unapologetically. And with his sons by his side.” (Fat Joe, 03:21).

• Why Kill the King is the Last Album:

  • T.I. says stepping back isn’t about money but feeling fulfilled and wanting to open space for new talent.
    • “It ain't got shit to do with the money… I can't ask the game for nothing more.” (T.I., 17:21, 17:53)
    • "As a kid, just watching video music…praying and hoping to be a part of this…25 years in and I got everything I prayed for." (T.I., 17:45)
    • “As a kid, somewhere they praying for his shot... now, I don’t want to be in his way, you know what I mean?” (T.I., 18:32)

• Release Date and Album Theme:

  • Kill the King drops on 6/26/26, a palindrome date (“Forwards and backward, man. However you say it, it's the same date.” – T.I., 66:48).

Surviving the Music Industry & Going Independent

• The Atlantic Records Poster Story:

  • Hilarious story of Fat Joe discovering his Atlantic poster replaced with T.I.’s:
    “One day I came up in there and they took my shit out, and it was a T.I. poster…They hurt my ego like a motherfucker.” (Fat Joe, 07:12)
  • T.I. adds: “Atlantic been great to me. We had a phenomenal run...I go to prison the second time, and I'm looking for that poster.” (T.I., 07:58)

• Major Label Real Talk:

  • The hosts break down the cycle of industry hype and abandonment.
    • “One minute I'm the hottest motherfucker in the world. The next minute, they treated me like I had AIDS.” (Fat Joe, 09:40)
    • “I remember what it was like to have a building but not really have a building, you know what I mean?” (T.I., 11:12)

• Independence and Ownership:

  • Fat Joe credits Empire’s Ghazi and Nima for showing artists the power of staying independent: “They helped me change my life and get my shit right and equity and ownership…” (Fat Joe, 08:57)
  • On making more from independent sales: “I put out an album with Ghazi, sell 100,000 records and make a couple of mil…” (Fat Joe, 15:52)

Pharrell Collaborations and Studio Stories

• Pharrell’s Consistent Role:

  • T.I. on his long working relationship: “Every time I'm starting the album, I call Pharrell...Me and Pharrell probably got a hundred records over the years.” (T.I., 27:59)
  • On their current hit: “We never had a hit like one out the park...this motherfucker here...It's the exclamation point…” (T.I., 28:27)

• Recording on Pharrell’s Yacht:

  • T.I. describes the surreal Miami studio setup:
    • “I pull up to the address, it's a dock...a little boat takes me to a big boat…he got a studio set up in the big boat.” (T.I., 29:13)
    • “As soon as I got like, damn, Pete…He just...‘Nah, listen to this.’ And it was the ‘Let Him Know’ beat...Oh, this is how you feel?” (T.I., 30:33)

• Instant Chemistry:

  • On knowing a song is a hit: “I knew it as soon as I heard it...He already had the...the woo.” (T.I., 30:55)

On Longevity, Authenticity, and Hip-Hop Generations

• Advice and Longevity:

  • Fat Joe on motivation: “You gotta have an enemy...you gotta ask somebody to motivate you.” (16:41)
  • T.I. on helping the next generation: “As a kid somewhere they praying for his shot, just like I was…Now, I don't want to be in his way.” (18:32)

• Youth & The Crisis of Hip-Hop:

  • Fat Joe questions if the new generation is upholding the standard: “We gave them a chance and they painted their nails and they did all type of weird going on…” (18:38)
  • T.I. replies: “That was always happening, though…that wasn't that new.” (19:09)

• Timelessness of Real Sound:

  • Fat Joe on authenticity: “People want to get that T.I.…it sounded like T.I...So you got it French, right now, they on number one and number two.” (20:42)

Personal Stories & The Human Side

• Early Influences and Mentorship:

  • T.I. credits the Dungeon Family, Cee-Lo, and Outkast for early support: “Those were the first people to embrace me, wrapped their arms around me and made me...they little nigga.” (47:04)

• On Spotting “It Factors”:

  • T.I. and Joe discuss supporting 21 Savage early and recognizing stars (‘the it’):
    • "When I get a show, I got, you know, tell him if he could drive down, he'll pull up, open up for me..." (T.I., 49:00)
    • “It's more about a feeling...You can feel the energy coming off of em.” (T.I., 49:26)

• Honoring Fallen Friends:

  • The mood turns reflective as T.I. and Joe shout out Atlanta legends lost: “Long live Big Mike. Long live OG Clay. Damn.” (T.I., 65:58)

Behind the Scenes, Movies, and More

• T.I.’s Film Projects:

  • “Two films, both of which I co-wrote, produced, directed...the sequel to Departments...and another called Thought She Was the One.” (T.I., 34:26)
  • Fat Joe notes how today’s indie distribution gives artists more access than ever.

• Industry Gatekeeping & Loyalty:

  • Fat Joe explains his new role as “ambassador” for the Knicks hip-hop parade float: “From the projects...they said, Fat Joe, you in charge of hip hop. You invite who you invite.” (54:52)
  • Discusses loyalty in industry relationships finally “coming back” after years: “For years, it never came back. But lately...” (53:53)

• Touring:

  • T.I.’s “Secession Tour” is coming soon: “Yeah man, I’m going on tour, bro. The Secession Tour.” (T.I., 42:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Major Label Realism:
  “One minute I'm the hottest motherfucker in the world. The next minute, they treated me like I had AIDS.”
  — Fat Joe (09:40)

• Independent Hustle Pays:
  “I put out an album with Ghazi, sell 100,000 records and make a couple of mil…”
  — Fat Joe (15:52)

• Legacy vs. Ego:
  “It ain't got shit to do with the money…25 years in and I got everything I prayed for. I can't ask the game for nothing more.”
  — T.I. (17:21–17:53)

• Pharrell’s Studio on a Boat:
  “I pull up to the address, it's a dock...a little boat takes me to a big boat…he got a studio set up in the big boat.”
  — T.I. (29:13)

• Spotting Star Power:
  “It's more about a feeling...You can feel the energy coming off of em.”
  — T.I. (49:26)

• Parade Float Roll Call:
  “I got Wu Tang Clan, Mobb D, Mop, the Locks, Mary J. Blige, Tiana...Melly Mel and Mr. Ness...the only person outside of New York I invited...is Young Miami.”
  — Fat Joe (56:03)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:20] Fat Joe & Jada introduce T.I., discuss his legacy
• [07:12] The Atlantic Records poster story
• [11:12] T.I. on learning the realities of the major label cycle, Pharrell’s advice
• [17:21] T.I. on why Kill the King is his last album
• [27:59–30:55] T.I. and Pharrell: creative chemistry, yacht studio story
• [34:26] T.I. talks about his movie projects
• [47:04] Shoutouts to Atlanta OGs, Dungeon Family, and hip-hop mentorship
• [48:59] T.I.’s hilarious first encounter with 21 Savage
• [53:53] Loyalty, getting industry respect in later years
• [56:03] Legendary lineup for Knicks’ parade float
• [66:42] Official album drop date for Kill the King: 6/26/26

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Additional Highlights

• Tour Stories: T.I. and Fat Joe trade stories about sports, injuries on stage, and crazy fan moments.
• Community, Family, and Loss: Both reflect on people they’ve lost and the family-like nature of hip-hop’s early circles.
• Humor: The episode is packed with joking, especially around New York vs. Atlanta basketball, parade float logistics, and classic “who’s the king” industry rivalries.

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Overall Tone:
Raw, candid, full of old-school hip-hop storytelling, reverence for the grind, and playful mutual respect. T.I. embodies Southern wisdom and humility; Fat Joe brings humor and tough-love industry real talk.

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For first-time listeners: This episode captures the essence of hip-hop’s golden era, the grind toward independence, and pays homage to the voices that paved the way—and those carrying the torch into the future.

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Transcript

[Fat Joe]

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[T.I.]

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[Fat Joe]

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[T.I.]

Oh, hell no. What you talking about?

[Fat Joe]

No, as many times as. I don't want to hear this story again. You want this time? This is the perfect time. N. Let's hear about it. What up, y'? All? This is Joe Crack the Dawn. You know who it is. Your boy, Jada. It's the Joe And Jada show. Every show legendary.

[T.I.]

Every show iconic.

[Fat Joe]

See what we doing. My brother shooting that. He always shoot. And I got the same kind of guns like T.I. that was my. I can't say nothing for a minute.

[T.I.]

Okay, my bad.

[Fat Joe]

Every show legendary. Every show iconic. We haven't let you down yet. When you think of today's guest, you think of a king who built his throne from the ground up.

[T.I.]

You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

You think Bankhead, think Atlanta. You think of trap music before trap music had a name, Trap museum. You think of someone who turned every setback into a setup, every closed door into a grand hustle. 12 albums deep. Billboard indie power play. You hear me? Power. And he's going out on his own terms. Independent picture, unapologetically. And with his sons by his side. Ladies and gentlemen, please join us in welcoming to the Joe and Jada show, the king of the South Tip. Oh, God. TI Makes up

[T.I.]

what's happening.

[Fat Joe]

You know, the comedians come up there. I tell them this. The tip. Funny as. I don't give a. What y' all say. I seen them do this. Oh, you gonna get kicked. Sorry about that. I got. But he got Dolan in them calling him, so, you know, you get it.

[T.I.]

You know what I mean, Man, I remember. We did. I see. You seen. We seen. We ran into each other at a comedy club at.

[Fat Joe]

What show you did? I had the show on stars, and I went over there. I interviewed you, and then you did the comedy at your. At your bar, your head.

[T.I.]

Yeah, yeah, we did.

[Fat Joe]

I went to the Miami. The museum, Right, right. Yeah, I went up in there to Trap museum. That's crazy. So, guys, he has a museum based on trap music.

[T.I.]

That right?

[Fat Joe]

But you in the trap.

[T.I.]

Yeah, it's the element.

[Fat Joe]

You been there yet? I haven't been there. Yo, bro, it's the trap. So the whole shit is. That's appropriately proper for it to be.

[T.I.]

But the area, the area where the trap music museum exists right now, where it is, like, that's the bluff. Like that really, you know, there weren't no other businesses. There weren't no other establishments over there before the trap music. We made it a destination for tourists.

[Fat Joe]

And, you know, I'm glad they moved

[T.I.]

two blocks down to see a dope one.

[Fat Joe]

I'm glad you said. I'm glad you said the bluff.

[T.I.]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You ever seen that movie? Was the best move in my life.

[T.I.]

Two years before that movie came out, Curtis noted that. That.

[Host/Producer]

The whole.

[Fat Joe]

Not saying that. I'm saying. I honestly thought that was reality. Hold up. I said, yo, These love going to jail for 10,000 years. They shot a movie that was so real.

[T.I.]

It was. It was.

[Fat Joe]

I thought it was real, like, real.

[T.I.]

Like it were real.

[Fat Joe]

I said, this guy is crazy.

[T.I.]

Part seven were real. And then. Yeah, man, Curtis bluff was like. The bluff.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, no, no, no.

[T.I.]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

Did you see the bluff? Did you see what I'm talking in the bluff? Been in there. Not talking about in real life. They made him in real life. That is real.

[T.I.]

Hey, hey, the funny part is both of y' all right, though. Hey, both of y' all right.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, that was the best movie ever. The bluff, man. I was like, yo, this crazy. They had some shit once. What was that? Channel. They made two chains, had a show on there, Vice tv, where they was with the Taliban. All type. You remember? They used to shoot shit nobody dared go to. That's what the fuck the bluff was. The bluff. I thought it was real. It took years, bro.

[T.I.]

It's totally authentic, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, I'm looking at that. I see. Yo, these niggas is crazy right here. This shit is nuts. TI man, thanks for coming up, man.

[T.I.]

My pleasure.

[Fat Joe]

Blessing that Joe and Jada show, you know, you took my. Do you ever hear the story about how you took my post off the wall in Atlantic Records?

[T.I.]

Oh, hell no.

[Fat Joe]

What are you talking about? No, as many times as. I don't want to hear this story again. You wish it was the time. This is the perfect time. Nah, let's hear about it, man. So for a couple of years, I had the biggest poster in the Atlantic Records, the giant size shit. And one day I came up in there and they took my shit out, and it was a TI Poster. And they were like, yo, this is the young guy right now. He's the biggest guy, man. They hurt my ego like a motherfucker, man. I went up there, I see. Yo, what happened to. I used to walk in there, beat my chest, I had the biggest poster. They said, yo, it's a new guy. His name is Y. That motherfucker.

[T.I.]

Hey, look, let me. Let me add on to the story, okay? So that's your story. Okay, so Atlantic, man. Atlantic been great to me. We had a phenomenal run, you know what I'm saying? I caught my cases, they stood by me. I go to prison the second time, and I'm coming out and I'm looking for that poster.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they switched him. Switched Khalifa. Also. You know what? I. Now that y' all say that, and I go to the label, I gauge it by the pitch. When you walk in, you can Kind of see where they spinning the bread at. When they first sign you, the whole lobby. When you get off the elevator, it look like you crib. All you see is you.

[T.I.]

Everything.

[Fat Joe]

After the years, a few. You should start looking like a passport picture. I see niggas like, all right, I see where they going. You know, I learned a lot from the major label. I love that. You independent. You with my guys Ghazi and Nima and them guys over there, man, they the best guys in the fucking world. And they helped me change my life and get my shit right and equity and ownership and all that. But I learned a lot, man, in the major label, man. Cause I remember one minute I'm the hottest motherfucker in the world. The next minute, they treated me like I had aids. Oh, I had to adjust.

[T.I.]

God damn, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Say that. I can't say that.

[T.I.]

Oh, yeah, okay. Well, nah, man. I ain't gonna waste mine on that one.

[Fat Joe]

We got this bag.

[T.I.]

I ain't gonna waste nine on that one.

[Fat Joe]

Big one. Big bag I gotta tell you about. Yo, but listen, I went the. Where I was at MTV Awards at bet. And I see. Fuck it, I'll say it. I seen Craig Cameron.

[T.I.]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

And I see, yo, Craig, I used to hang out in this office every day, eat lunch with. I said, yo, Craig ran away from me like I had aids.

[T.I.]

You bullshit.

[Fat Joe]

Swear to God. He ran away from me like I had leprosy or some. That's when I learned. I see you, I see.

[T.I.]

Hey, nah, but look, don't give up. Hold up, though.

[Fat Joe]

Fuck my.

[T.I.]

Like, yo, I remember they had us together, though. Like, we was like the Justice League or some shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

We used Daddy, huh?

[T.I.]

And Trick.

[Fat Joe]

Trick Daddy and Fat Lil Kim, they

[T.I.]

had all them tattoos and shit.

[Fat Joe]

I'm telling you, the one time my shit didn't do, you know, it went gold, too, that they acted like I had some shit. Like you just ran. I said, yo, this guy's running away from me. He was like, joke. And, you know, this industry, it run like that. It run like, if you hot, you can really think that everybody loves you. And you go through that little period and you turn around and you'll see what's what, who's who, and most likely nobody's who's who.

[T.I.]

You know, the good shit is I came in the game where I thought that. You know what I'm saying? I was that nigga for real at the gate. I thought that. And Pharrell warned me when we were working on my first album. He said, yo, you dope. You so dope, it's gonna take you a minute. Like, don't, you know, don't be surprised if this first motherfucker don't blow. I say, man, fuck that, you know what I'm saying? And then the first motherfucker dropping it did nothing. You know what I'm saying? I had to goddamn kind of pull it back together and work on my own shit. Hand to hand, go independent. Kind of got off, you know, My first label. Thank you, Lary. And then I went to Atlantic and learned, you know, what it was like when your shit is on fire and you had a building behind you. But I always knew what the shit could go back to, you know what I'm saying? I remember what it was like to have a building but not really have a building, you know what I mean? I would introduce them to the game.

[Fat Joe]

You already know when it's a real moment. You need a real bottle. That's why we rock with 1800 tequila. You heard me. These people were making tequila for 11 generations. That's right. 11. That's a legacy. That's OG status. OG they were the first to introduce in, set the standard before most of these brands even existed. And you could taste the difference. For real. The 1800 Cristalino and Reposado is what we've been on lately. Smooth, clean, elevated, no burn, no rough edges. Just a premium pour that speaks for itself. You know, when it's something that's just built right? That's what this is. Real talk. That's just what it is. It's always around for the best nights, the wins, the celebrations, to remember that night story. Whether you're keeping it low key with the crew or you're pulling up to a big event. 1800 fits every setting. It ain't trying too hard. It's just that 1800 tequila, real legacy. Real smooth. That's the move. True, true, true. One man, I turned around, they said to me one day, they said, man, you gotta be like, T. I. He just sold 2 million records. I had just sold 2 million records.

[T.I.]

They ain't told you no shit like that?

[Fat Joe]

What the fuck?

[T.I.]

Nah, man, they ain't told you no shit. Ain't nobody told you? You gotta be like, C.I.

[Fat Joe]

who told you that?

[T.I.]

Joe.

[Fat Joe]

I don't hold it against you. I'm telling you. What the fuck happened? You were gonna tell Joe he got to be like TI. You know, I got one witness, man. Who's the dude? I forgot his name. He used to manage Lil Kim. You definitely Gene Nelson.

[T.I.]

Gene Nelson.

[Fat Joe]

Gene fucking Nelson is my witness. I gotta bring him up to the show. He fought him. He fought. Thank God, Gene, that they ain't listen to him. Cause I went in there, they told me, yo, man, you only went gold this time. You're a failure. I couldn't sleep that night.

[T.I.]

They tell you.

[Fat Joe]

I swear to God, right? And. And I said to myself, atlantic Records. I don't remember who. And so I turned around and I'm like, I did the math. At the time. They were giving, like, $7 a fucking record. Independent. Yeah. And I said, you know what? If I went gold, I'd be making three and a half million over. I went back the next day. I said, you're right. I'm not like T. I'm underground now.

[T.I.]

Let me go.

[Fat Joe]

This, this, that. And they said, no problem. Go. And your man, matter of fact, fuck Eugene Nelson. Let me tell you something. He tried to. Bam. That escalated. He tried to keep me on Slavery Records, nigga. I said, yo. They were all like, let's leave. He got up like Fat Joe was the Patti LaBelle of the. This is the face of the label. How dare you. He started arguing with them. You're making a grave mistake. Don't let him go.

[T.I.]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, yo, Gene, he was like. I thought he was defending me. I didn't realize he was trying to keep me on. Put you in the 2:11 trip. 10 cents a record. So then I left and I put

[T.I.]

out, how you end up with 10 cents a record.

[Fat Joe]

No, I mean, that guy, he's just. His ass. I'm just exaggerating. He really mean 11. Listen, I'm still unrecoop at Atlantic 30 years later, bro. I put out an album with Ghazi, sell 100,000 records and make a couple

[T.I.]

of mil, that right.

[Fat Joe]

Them niggas over there, we sold millions. I'm still unrecooped. This shit. Slavery on tour, for real like this forever and so. But anyway, Gene Nelson, my brother, man, thank you for fighting for me, man. The man wanted me. He was smart. I went and threw that. Make It Rain out there. Sold four records and depended on the day, somebody had to be tight at that one. Somebody had to be like, yo, you let him go. That put one out the park right after. Yeah, that was like. I always felt like I was getting them mad. And, like, I just was like, yo, every time I threw out another hit, I was like, yeah, these.

[T.I.]

You always had a song, though, bro. I don't remember a time when you didn't have a bop, bro. You always had one.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. But what I'm saying is I was trying to get them mad. I don't know. I don't know if they ever really truly gave a. You know, your man Jordan said when you watch that last dance, Jordan said, he looked at. He used to look at dudes on the beds to do. They saying to him, he like, oh, you said that you needed something to stop. I must give you 45. So you gotta have an enemy. Yeah, you gotta ask somebody to motivate you. 25 year run, 12th and final studio out. Why 12th and final waked up, I guess. You got so much money, you said, you know what?

[T.I.]

Oddly enough, it ain't got shit to do with the money, you know what I'm saying? It ain't. Even though it's there, it ain't got nothing to do. It ain't got nothing to do.

[Fat Joe]

He told me one time, you don't remember? He told me one time, yo, I don't need no money, Joe. I'm so good, I ain't gotta do no more. One time on something, I said, damn, that must feel good.

[T.I.]

Yeah, I spent that money, though.

[Fat Joe]

I spent that like, yo, I ain't gotta do. Yo, I said, damn, this kick the up.

[T.I.]

Nah, man. But, but to be honest with you, bro, just going from where I came from, man, as a kid, just. Just watching video music, bop and rap city and your own TV rap. Just looking and praying and hoping to be a part of this. Going from that kid to where I am now, you know, 25 years in and I got everything I prayed for. You dig what I'm saying? I can't ask the game for nothing more.

[Fat Joe]

I feel the same way. You feel the same way, kids? No, I got a little bit more.

[T.I.]

And I feel like as a kid so much though.

[Fat Joe]

Just a little. I want to get a little, you know what I mean?

[T.I.]

As a kid, somewhere they praying for his shot, just like I was praying for my shot. Now, I don't want to be in his way, you know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

You know, I know why I think we gave the kids a big chance. They ran the game and they ain't really hold it down like they were supposed to. Hip hop is really in a crisis when you look at it. Wise youth, wise. Because you gotta understand, regardless of old people get old. So then the youth gotta take over. And boy, we gave them a chance is messing up the ele them a chance. And they painted their nails and they did all type of weird going on

[T.I.]

out here, but that was always happening, though. That was always happening. That wasn't that new.

[Fat Joe]

That I'm talking about specifically. I'm just saying.

[T.I.]

What I'm saying is that it's been happening back in the day on some pimp.

[Fat Joe]

I could listen to T.I. i can listen to T.I. right now and enjoy myself. Matter of fact, I want to shout out to Lovey, I got a guy. If you ever met him, okay, you wouldn't believe. He's your fan, and he go to anywhere, he says, you can have whatever you like. Is looking like they can't believe me. No hip hop. I mean, this guy, that's hard. He played your. You could have whatever. He sing it to his wife. Anything you want to everywhere. And the. The mother motherfucker show. This nigga know. But that's his shit. But what I'm saying to you is we have, like, stay in power. I'm losing to create a career. Listen, bro, I've never turned down the youth. I've never turned down the youth. I've always supported them, and I'mma keep supporting them, bro. I love the youth. I always encourage them to win. I've never. I've never been a hater. You ain't got no young kids out there that can say Fat Joe hated on them. What I'm saying is, I love that. Joy Clips came back okay on some grass.

[T.I.]

Hard, hard, hard. That shit was hard, though. Well designed.

[Fat Joe]

That shit was incredible. You came back, put some shit out the park. Sounded like TI Too, by the way. It didn't sound like trying to be nothing.

[T.I.]

Definitely was.

[Fat Joe]

No, it didn't sound like trying to be. It sounded like, you know, people gotta understand. I think we understand it as artists, as creatives, that when you go right now and you buy motherfucking the Beatles 96 album, it sound like the Beef. We ain't gotta sound like something else. People want to get that TI And I think the reason why that record beside it being super hot was I think the record went because it was like, yo, that's fucking TI like, we know this guy. We heard his shit a million times. We love this shit. You know what I'm saying? So you got it French, right now, they on number one and number two.

[T.I.]

That's hard. That hard after Max come home 18 years, you know what I mean? That's a blessing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Max is on the space shuttle, the fucking megabits, right? Like, he think he the king of Bel Air right now. He don't know what he said. Yo, when I went to jail, I was the hottest. I came out. I'm the hottest. I don't know what's going on. Imagine I was here 18 years. I had 65 of these chicks. He don't even know he's in a time capsule.

[T.I.]

That's what's up.

[Fat Joe]

He's having the best time in the city.

[T.I.]

Hey man, I've never seen him have a bad time. I've never seen Max B without a smile on his face.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. Two days before he went to jail, he was in the club like we doing the marquee. And I looked and he had like a bunch of white girls with him. And he had a sailor like a cat when he was way beat when he was the guy.

[T.I.]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Had like he was flying the plane in there. This I see yo, this. Hey, he different with this. But that's good that he's winning.

[Host/Producer]

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[Fat Joe]

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[T.I.]

I took an elbow to my head,

[Fat Joe]

which cracked my skull. It is an American game. The Brazilians don't like hearing that, though. Are they the only ones that don't like that? Nobody likes that. As we get ready for the Men's World cup this summer, listen to American Football as part of the Mikeultura Podcast Network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, it's Alec Baldwin. This season on my podcast, here's the thing, I'm speaking with more artists, policymakers, and performers like composer Marc Shannon. Once you've established that you have the talent, it's about the hang. It's the pleasure of hanging out with the people that you're with. You know, Rob and I was always a great hang. We would sit in kibbutz for hours and then eventually get around to the music. That's what I mostly think of when I think of him, the time together. Laughing Lawyer Robbie Kaplan. The great gift of being a lawyer is the ability to actually change things in our society in a way that very few people can. You can really make a difference to causes in the United States if you bring the right case at the right Time and marriage equality.

[T.I.]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Windsor's the perfect example. Director Morgan Neville. Film school teaches you all the wrong things about making documentary. What do you want to say? Documentary is all about your ear. What do you hear? I feel like my job is listening really, really hard. Listen to here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts. What did black music, food and culture teach us about who we were becoming? 2016 was sort of that last era of monoculture where we still consumed things in community. From Beyonce and Rihanna. Everybody wanted to be Beyonce. I don't think we'll ever see another Rihanna. To soul food, memory, identity and the stories we carry through black culture.

[T.I.]

What does it mean to be black

[Fat Joe]

and eat in America? So we were this group of people who knew how to work the land, who knew how to live with the land. We make it do what it do. Therapy for black girls is bringing together the conversation, shaping black life right now. You will never make me feel bad for being a black girl, for being a black American girl ever. Therapy for black girls is bringing it all to the mic. Listen to therapy for black Girls on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. Whenever you get your podcast. Pharrell did production on your first album. What made you go back to him for the. Let him know you just.

[T.I.]

Yeah, I know what you, bro. I've been working with Pharrell throughout my entire career. Every time I'm starting the album, I call Pharrell. It's just whether or not he feel like doing music at the time, most of the time he do. You know what I'm saying, man, Me and Pharrell probably got a hundred records over the years that, you know what I'm saying? That we ain't using. And I always felt like as much as many records as we've done together,

[Fat Joe]

we never had a hit like one out the park.

[T.I.]

We never had. We had some dope shit. Not like this, though. Like this motherfucker here. You know what I mean? It's the exclamation point that let him know. It's like a grand sling. Yeah, yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Because you let them know like this. You let them know that came on. I knew that was that. That's exactly how the song is, right Though it sound. It sounds like TI that's exactly how I feel.

[T.I.]

As soon as he played it so that the second record we did. So KP hit P for me, hit for real for me. And he told me, you know, to meet him in Miami. He was Gonna. He lived in Perry. He said, man, I'm gonna be in Miami this day. So these days. So pull up on me. Give me an address. I pull up to the address, it's a dock. It's a dock.

[Fat Joe]

You went in that studio flowing, don't shit that.

[T.I.]

But it's a little boat. It was a little boat. So I get in the little boat. So he take me and then the boat take me to a big boat. So I get on the big boat, and then he got a studio set up in the big boat. You know what I mean?

[Fat Joe]

People been doing that for years, for real. People been going to Bahamas, right Now, you want me. That be out in the middle of the ocean waters.

[T.I.]

That.

[Fat Joe]

Where the vibes come from. That. That. That recorded that in the war.

[T.I.]

So the first one we did with Mr. Hill,

[Fat Joe]

that crazy hit on a yacht.

[T.I.]

The first one we did with Mr. Hymn, we did that. And I, you know, And I love Mr. Hill. You know what I mean? But I was like, ip, I need. Come on now. Give me that shit. Like, give me what? Come on. Where the rest of it at? This is good. And he was like, man, all right, cool. Come back. So we did about three records that day. He was like, man, just. Just come back tomorrow. And so the next day, you know, I thought I would do. I'm like, I'm gonna get my own boat today, you know? So I went and got me a boat, thinking I'm gonna pull up on his boat. Every time I get to the coordinates he send me, he gone, you know what I'm saying? So he sent that little bitty boat again. He sent that little bitty boat to my boat, put me on there, and I go and we take off and get to his boat. So as soon as I got like, damn, Pete, man.

[Fat Joe]

As soon as I get.

[T.I.]

He just. He's just like, nah, listen to this. And it was to let him know beat. And I was like, oh, this is how you feel?

[Fat Joe]

Some of that Fentanyl, yo. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He gave me that pure. You hear that stick you stepped on?

[T.I.]

It was instant, though. I knew it as soon as I heard it. And then, you know what I'm saying, he already had the. The woo. You know, he already had the shit. I said, man, yeah, this, this.

[Fat Joe]

Well, you know, there's a thing that artists. Cause I don't get high, barely drink. I get high off of being successful in having a hit out there. Like, that's really. It's a drug. It gets me high. You've been gone for A minute when you come back and that shit take off, how you feel when everybody telling you, yo, tip this shit, addict. Did you know you was ever gonna have another smoker like that? What it felt like to you? I had indications.

[T.I.]

I definitely had indications. I had indications. I mean, I didn't know it would go. You can never. You can never tell or determine how

[Fat Joe]

big, how high it's gonna fly or

[T.I.]

how far it's gonna go, but you feel. You know what I mean? You get that feeling. You know what I mean? Sometimes it's records that I put out that didn't go as far as I thought they did.

[Fat Joe]

I thought it had it.

[T.I.]

I knew that it was because of them, you know what I'm saying? I know this motherfucker, it rocks. You know what I mean? This motherfucker. Something wrong with y'. All. But.

[Fat Joe]

But it's true, though.

[T.I.]

No, that's the fact. Yeah, but this shit here, I feel like every. Like all the stars and the moon align and this shit really did feel like, you know, motherfucker just dropped that pack off back in the day. Like you just got. You know what I'm saying? Like, and the trapping.

[Fat Joe]

No, no, but hey, whoa,

[T.I.]

hey, hey, man, I'm an organic grand speed kind of guy, you know? No gmo.

[Fat Joe]

You know, I'm trying to tell. I to tell your man Styles. We came up here. I tried to tell a man that cocaine farm the table.

[T.I.]

You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

On the table. Yeah, man, but I'm not mad at Pharrell, man. The world is his, man. You know, he did that pushing him get no Louie yet. Oh, no. We ain't got no Louis. We ain't got no news. We ain't got no Louie at all. Not a. A shoestring, but the man, the clip recorded their album in some Paris. Louis Vuitton sorted. They shit in Louie that crazy. They had to get some lights.

[T.I.]

They had to get them. They, like, didn't say, I'm leaving here with something. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

No, no, he got it. But he got sick one day. He came up in. Cause you know, we like to dress on this show. You know, we saw that on that

[T.I.]

way I could have. He went me.

[Fat Joe]

He went to Louie, came back, he was like, he look like Jerry Lewis back in the day. Oh, man. I said, yo, I said, what happened? He said, man, I spent all this money Louis Vuitton. And they told me we just missed the clicks. They walk out with the free. They go in Louis Vuitton. Let them go in the back. With the free shit. He said, yo, we over here blowing up them. Just left with a whole boatload of free clothes.

[T.I.]

Hey, man, we all have our perks. All us get perks, you know what I'm saying? Each and every last one of us sitting on the couch. It's something that you can go get that none of us can go get

[Fat Joe]

the way you do.

[T.I.]

And same for the same for Kiss, and you know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Nah, we all love as well. Blessed. You got any movies coming? What you got?

[T.I.]

Yeah, yeah, I got a couple of them, man. So two films, both of which I co, wrote, produced, directed, one of which is a sequel. So my first, my directorial debut was a record. I mean, excuse me, a movie called Departments came out a couple years ago. D.C. young, fly, Carlos, Lil Duvall and a host of others. You know, drop dead, funny ass comedian, man. And it's sitting in this apartment complex and you could catch it on Tubi right now, the third one. So I did a sequel to it, and it's gonna be coming out real soon, man, I think in like July or something like that. It's coming out on All Black. And the second movie I did is one that I directed also, but I starred in this one as well. It's called Thought She Was the One. It's a romantic comedy. And right now we're doing that independent and, you know, figuring out how we gonna distribute.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, that's enough. Owning everything. You know, the distribution right now, it's gonna be easy for you because there's so many different outlets to put your shit out through.

[T.I.]

Shit, tell them.

[Fat Joe]

Hit me.

[T.I.]

You feel me?

[Fat Joe]

Tell them you're already with Tubi. You already with, like. You know what I'm saying? Motherfuckers got lanes now. It ain't like back in the day where you didn't have a lane. Like you got a lane, you know what I'm saying? Like, people got lanes now. It ain't as hard as it used to be back in the day to get your shit, you know, when you

[T.I.]

had to go back and forth from the fucking. The studios to the networks and so on.

[Fat Joe]

This whole shit was a gatekeeping thing where I always like to describe it, like when you was a kid and you had the kid who actually owned the ball when you playing basketball, and it was like, me, me, I want the ball. Mine, mine. Min got the plug and he'd be like, I'm out. I gotta take my.

[T.I.]

Hey, I gotta go home. Hey, get what though that why I can't play Basketball to this day, you hear me? I can't play ball to this day. I grew up, you know, I grew up in the hood. I was the younger kid, the little kid. I was about 6 when everybody else was maybe 12, you know what I'm saying?

[Host/Producer]

13.

[T.I.]

So I used to always want to play, and nobody took time. Well, I was bad as hell, too. I probably wouldn't listen, but I had to watch everybody, you know what I'm saying? Play ball. Like, man, I want to play. I want to play. They played ball in my face all day. This one day, I remember this. All day, they played ball in my face, knowing I wanted to play. So when everybody went. After the street light came on, everybody went in the house. I got on my bike, I rode up there, and I stabbed with my granddaddy's screwdriver. I stabbed every ball up there. Yeah. Yeah, every ball up there. I flattened every ball up there. Oh, you ain't gonna play with me, okay? And I was on some psycho strand. I'm like, all right. I'm just.

[Fat Joe]

Wait till they see this.

[T.I.]

You know what I mean? And the next day, I got up early. I rode my bike. I'm just riding my bike now. This day, I ain't sitting there waiting to play. I'm riding my bike up and down, waiting on y' all to come out, get ready to play. And then they getting out there, they

[Fat Joe]

like, oh, y' all ain't playing today, Tip, you little badass.

[T.I.]

You know what I mean? That way I got the name Little Badass Tip from him, too. And to this day, I can't play ball.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I mean, you know, not everybody could play ball. Kiss. Think he could play? Like, you got a shot, right? I think they gonna let me in this year.

[T.I.]

What's your name?

[Fat Joe]

What's up, man from the NBA, Jeff Sanchez. Jeff Sanchez. This might be the year they let me. I got a knee surgery.

[T.I.]

Hey, man, this is a good year for y'.

[Host/Producer]

All.

[T.I.]

Y' all having y' all way up here.

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. Wearing the right colors, right?

[T.I.]

Y' all having y' all way up here, man.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, yeah. He got the right. I swear to God. I'm not exaggerating in no way. When we flew back from San Antonio, shit was, like, overnight. The sky was orange and blue. Like, no, no. I swear to God. I swear to God. Don't get me wrong. Don't get me wrong.

[T.I.]

Right around sunrise.

[Fat Joe]

Right around sunrise. This was still dark. A little piece of. I'm flying in. Little beast was orange and Blue, you got anybody? You got any? Can I get. I got bouncers. I'm gonna get a video for you.

[T.I.]

I know you had to video it, bro.

[Fat Joe]

Man, I mean, we did. Okay, I got it somewhere.

[T.I.]

All right, cool.

[Fat Joe]

When I got that big ass. That was Orange and Blue. Tell Rich to find that video. When we was landing from San Antonio, I swear to God, it's orange and Blue and, man, look, I haven't slept. This is a Knicks fan. I'll tell you something. Let me tell you something. There's no other way to explain, to come back from 30. He definitely was witnessing. Oh, okay. He was witnessing the game. I didn't know about the blue sky. I said when they asked me after that game, Joe, what you think? I say, God loves the Knicks and God loves Wu Tang Clan.

[T.I.]

Okay, now, he did say that.

[Fat Joe]

He did say that. Because you know how hard it was to be down 30 and perform at halftime. Yo, I felt so bad for the motherfuckers. I was like, like, yo, he actually helped.

[T.I.]

That was the night Wuang perform.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, they said Nixon 5. That's cool. I'm talking about. He helped it.

[T.I.]

They bought it back.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, they was halftime.

[T.I.]

That's hard.

[Fat Joe]

And that's it. I stood out there, I said, God loves Wu Tang. I'mma be honest with you. You can say, what the you want, Jada? I said, God loves Wu Tang because he never lets Wu Tang down. I don't know. I was looking at that shit. I was like, God loves Wu Tang, man.

[T.I.]

We good.

[Fat Joe]

He loves the Knicks, Wu Tang this. And man, that motherfucker came back one by one point. I was like, yo, that shit.

[T.I.]

Yeah, that was record breaking, wasn't it? That was record breaking.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, a lot of record breaking. That never happened in history. I went down to the ATL when we played. I was scared of the atl. Young boys could ball off. Yeah, I went out there, you know what I'm saying? And they treated me nice. They treated me nice. I went to Philly. I almost got a 10 fight tackle me in front. Yo, they hockey checked them in. He walking out to this white dude about 7. Hillbilly Jim Jack saw Bill Duggan. Yeah, What was the rest of the. Yeah, that's still Bruno Sammartino, nigga. Hell nigga, bro. I'm taking a fucking picture with a fan. And the motherfucker damn near clothesline me. Rich started, yo. I was like, yo, Rich chills. Too many cameras. Rich start trying to yoke. This boy Rich was gonna probably put him to sleep. And the dope like, he was like. Cause he really violated. Philly was bad. Then I went to the atl, and it was all right, man.

[T.I.]

Hey, man, we got love for Joe and Jada in the A. I mean, I got.

[Fat Joe]

The problem is Philly is my number one market. But they have you and the Knicks. Get the out of here. It's a violent town. Philly.

[T.I.]

Yeah, Philly.

[Fat Joe]

It's a violent town. You going on tour?

[T.I.]

Yeah, man, I'm going on tour, bro. The Secession Tour.

[Fat Joe]

Hold up, guys. Hold up, guys. Give this. Look at the camera. If this ain't orange and blue, show it to Tip. You know they got.

[T.I.]

AI.

[Fat Joe]

No, I was. Oh,

[T.I.]

you do have a Nick symbol. It got a logo on you got this from the Garden, bro. Now it look like a screen saver. I ain't.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm telling you the truth. I swear to God. That was this. That was that morning out the plane we landed. I'll tell you one thing. I felt like I played the game. I never. Yo, I was so stressed out to y'. All. I did the flight back, they was popping so much champagne, right? We come back and I couldn't even move. They're probably like, Fat Joe's the biggest party. Yo, I was so stressed, it finally was over. Cause I'm flying everywhere, every game. Every more than even rap. Like, I'm over there, like, acting like I'm playing for the fucking team. I was stressed the fuck out by the time we came back. I said, man, I came home, I slept till like, seven at night. I never did that in my life. I was drained.

[T.I.]

Real talk.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, that was real talk, man.

[T.I.]

That's real talk. Let me tell you something. I ain't never felt like that about those sports. Ain't never felt that?

[Fat Joe]

No.

[T.I.]

Never. You know what I'm saying? Even for the. Like, for instance. Cause that's basketball, right? The one time that we actually had. You know what I'm saying? Some shit. Some shit happening. Nah, that was. Got down 2000. I think it's 16, 17 when motherfucker went to the super bowl in Houston and got. Damn. And blew it against the Patriots. So, you know, that was just one game, though. So you know what I'm saying? We was up for that game. We were playing in the parade at halftime and shit. You know what I'm saying? Me, Andre, 3,000. Jeezy, J.D. we was all in a spot. We was all like, yeah, so, shit, what you gonna wear to the parade? You know what I'm saying? We were really. And then them motherfuckers came the fuck back in the second half. I got my shit and got the fuck out of there, man. Man, fuck this shit.

[Fat Joe]

You know what happened to me.

[T.I.]

And I brought my sons, like, you know what I'm saying? I brought all my sons. I said, man, let's get the fuck outta here.

[Fat Joe]

You know what happened to me? You know what happened to me in the atl, the one year they had the All Star game. I fucking left early. And then Jordan and Kobe started lightening it up. It was the Jordan comeback.

[T.I.]

And they was.

[Fat Joe]

I'm outside. They won't let me back in the tent. I'm looking on screen like I was in there. Yo, how do I. They was like, sir, once you leave, you leave. You can't go back in that.

[T.I.]

Somebody got your seat too.

[Fat Joe]

I don't know.

[T.I.]

I'm sure they did.

[Fat Joe]

Somebody slid, right?

[T.I.]

They probably came from way up there

[Fat Joe]

and got right that shit. In San Antonio, I ain't had a pass to get on the court.

[T.I.]

When we for real.

[Fat Joe]

I took Teyana Taylor with me and, and she said. And I said, stay with me. She let go at some point. She just, she couldn't, she didn't know what the mission was. The mission was we ain't got fucking passes. And we gotta get convince, you know, my man with the sombrero to let us in that. But the cop nigga is in the sombrero. You gotta tell him, yo, papi, yo. I mean, he let me go. She still beyond. I had to come back and get her. But that shit was crazy. And that wasn't guaranteed. The Knicks win the chip and you getting on that court with them motherfuckers, it wasn't guaranteed. But you just said Andre 3000. You know, I never forget one time I took my daughter to Disneyland and N just brushed my shoulder and I Look, it was Andre 3000 with high waters on and boots and shit. N was just in Disneyland by him himself just then. I, I, you, you, you get me to thinking about he went to the Met gala with a piano on his back. Like this guy. Very different, huh? It's my guy.

[T.I.]

Born on the same day as me.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Same birthday, man.

[T.I.]

Real? Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I love, I love stats.

[T.I.]

A cold cat. Big Boy, too. Big Boy too.

[Fat Joe]

Big Boy. I, I, I actually get to see and talk to Big Boy more. This in three stacks. I think I'm more like Big Boy, you know, he throw them furs on and that on. He been, he been in it in the drip world for years. No, no, he. Jerseys mean kick you know what? You know, I with man I spoke to yesterday. CeeLo. I with him all the time. N. That's one. That's one brother. I see a lot of.

[T.I.]

He kicking a lot.

[Fat Joe]

Been on CeeLo. He been on a lot of shows together, a lot of stuff like that.

[T.I.]

She looked that nigga too.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's the. That. That's.

[T.I.]

That's like. Those were the first nigga to embrace me, like, when I was, you know, like, fresh out the trap and just didn't nobody know who the fuck I was in the industry. Those were the first people to embrace me, wrapped their arms around me and made me like, you know what I'm saying? They little nigga. You know what I mean? That's fire.

[Fat Joe]

But you wanna know what I noticed?

[T.I.]

What's that?

[Fat Joe]

Recipes. Bismarck and his Marquis was a super legend. He was already the biggest guy in the world. And he used to come to my projects and fuck with me. And I never found a way to pay him back or just feel like this when I'm trying to rap, like very beginning, right? And one day I caught him in LA and I grabbed him. I said, yo, yo, let me ask you some. Your biz now. I'm Fat Joe, you know, I see your business. Why you fucked with me, you know what I'm saying? I'm 18 years old, I'm selling drugs, I'm in the street. You coming to fuck with me? This and that. He said, I knew. He said, I knew you was gonna be a star. They knew you was gonna be a star. Same thing with me and French. I fucked with French before he blew up. And I took his shit to Hot 97 to get it played. And six months later, he was a superstar. You know when somebody got that shit.

[T.I.]

That's true.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying? So they was fucking with you, and they was like, oh, no, he coming.

[T.I.]

That's true.

[Fat Joe]

So evil.

[T.I.]

I don't know if they knew, but you know they knew that about. I know that feeling. I knew that. Cause I felt like that. By 21 by Savage, I was fucking with Savage. The first video. I remember the first video that he dropped, like, I was like, man, who is that kid with this damn. This sword on his forehead? You know what I'm saying? And I think we ended up at the same studio or some shit. And the first thing he said to me, come on, man, give me a meal. You got it. I was like, man, get the fuck outta here, bro. That the first thing. No cap. That the first thing you said to me off? Hello? You know what I mean? Hey, man, give me a million, man.

[Fat Joe]

You got it.

[T.I.]

I was like, nah, I can't do that. But I get some paper with you, I'll show you how to get some paper. And, you know, we start got. And when I get a show, I got, you know, tell him if he could drive down, he'll pull up, open up for me and shit like that. I always knew he had that shit.

[Fat Joe]

That's ill, you know. You know when people got that it factor, you know, when they got that charisma, you know, when they got that shit, you just know.

[T.I.]

It's a feeling. It's more about thought. I mean, less about thought, more about a feeling. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, you feel. You can feel the energy coming off of em.

[Fat Joe]

That's a fact. Shout out to him and Lotto. They got the baby right now.

[T.I.]

Right on.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying?

[T.I.]

Congrats. Congrats. We knew Latto since she was a little, when her and my son Damani, they used to, you know, be moving around, doing like, tele shows and shit together when they were teenager, like middle school type shit.

[Fat Joe]

Little kids, you know, shout out to. She invited me to her baby shower, okay? But I had a show that day. I owe her a present. I owe her a gift, you know what I'm saying? For the baby. But I've always liked Latto, man, just as an artist and as a person, you know what I'm saying? Since I met her, I was like, man, this girl, she had it. She had that it. You knew it ahead of time. Like, yo, she got it. You know what I'm saying? She got that it factor. So you going on tour, huh?

[T.I.]

Yeah, man.

[Fat Joe]

Your knees are still working and all.

[T.I.]

What you mean? I ain't got no aches and pains?

[Fat Joe]

No, I got the problem. I got. My shit is Euro Step, yo, my shit. You ain't got Kenny Smith. He can't

[T.I.]

Smith. Nah, I ain't never now. I ain't never. You know what? Just the last show, so the root picnic, I around and got. Damn. You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Took off too much, man.

[T.I.]

I popped my Cal muscle, man. At first time I'd ever felt that.

[Fat Joe]

I kept going. Get ready. You're gonna have a couple more, dog.

[T.I.]

I kept going throughout the show, man. You know, it took me about three, four days to get it back, right?

[Fat Joe]

Yo, I ain't gonna lie to you. I had a show with y' all in Atlantic City. And that's when I first started losing weight. I lost weight. I was trying to body that. That's just to this day, that pop up. That injury gets. It's a recurring role. What it do. Because I lost the weight and I had the fluidity. But that day I was on some shit. Moving that too much.

[T.I.]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. I gotta use the bathroom. One second. I gotta take a Scott Rizz break. This is really the story to tell. Joeandjadashow.com we got new merch. Merch. Fresh off the presses. Go get it. Bang out of faith, joe and jadishow.com you can get these. Little cold for a T shirt with a hoodie. Jack. It's my favorite right there. I need an extra large [e-mail]. go there and get it.

[T.I.]

Like when y' all started doing y'.

[Fat Joe]

All.

[T.I.]

Y' all started doing y'? All?

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. Talking to the mic.

[T.I.]

Oh, I ain't know. Oh, you. You want on camera. I was just asking how y' all get, like, the sponsors and.

[Fat Joe]

Well, I got a nice team. Is it. Some of it is who you know?

[T.I.]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

He knows a lot of friends in high places that own casinos.

[T.I.]

Okay. Got it.

[Fat Joe]

Some is the team. We gotta.

[T.I.]

We gotta.

[Fat Joe]

Our team is like the Avengers.

[T.I.]

Whoever. Okay.

[Fat Joe]

The sales department. They come back with 1800 hard rock.

[T.I.]

That.

[Fat Joe]

It's a hustle. Just get it, you know? Right. But you know what I mean? I do.

[T.I.]

It's a hobby for me. I ain't even gonna cap you down.

[Fat Joe]

If you on fire. Hobby.

[T.I.]

It's a hobby.

[Fat Joe]

If you on fire, they gonna find you. It's like everything else. If you think your man's phone really rings. Cause you know they wanna talk to him. It's like your shit number one in America. Of course they want you in fucking the government. Augusta. I'm saying that. I'm not saying that. Gusta Georgia is a very nice place.

[T.I.]

Hey, man.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, it is. I ain't saying that. What I'm saying is we know when we on fire, motherfucker find you and be like, yo, I got this bag for you.

[T.I.]

Absolutely.

[Fat Joe]

You know, Then other times, they're not where we gotta go get the bag.

[T.I.]

We were just talking. We were just talking about that before we started the show. Like now at this stage in our career, it's lovely just to have those calls and those opportunities to come. Like, yo, hey, Jada, you know what, man? I remember. I was going through this time, man. Your son got me through this.

[Fat Joe]

So.

[T.I.]

Here, man, take this, man. You know what?

[Fat Joe]

I mean, this for you, you know, loyalty. So as far as Fat Joe, right, I've been very loyal. I've been loyal to you. I've been loyal to you. I've been loyal to a lot of people. Lately, it's come back. So if you ever wondered what the loyalty did. Cause for years, it never came back. But lately it's been like, so say, like, I was a fan of the Knicks when n was dead ass sitting next to me with bags over their face. Like they were ashamed to be Knick fans in the audience, right? So now, being that I've, you know, I've been a Lou fan, the Knick organization is like. Like, yo with us. And they. They, we got a hip hop float for the parade. First of all, we ain't never had a parade in 53 years, and we got it. And they said, fat Joe, you in charge of hip hop. You invite who you invite.

[T.I.]

Like, you the ambassador.

[Fat Joe]

Yes. This is from a. From the project. This thing is crazy. See, you ain't the only guy from the projects. I used to sit up a deck. I'm from the projects. Yeah. They said, joe, you would. They. You see the they doing? It's. It's bad out there.

[T.I.]

Hey, man.

[Fat Joe]

And I don't ego trip.

[T.I.]

Y' all acting like y' all ain't never had shit before.

[Fat Joe]

I don't ego trip.

[T.I.]

I ain't tripping, man.

[Fat Joe]

I don't ego trip. What I'm trying to tell you is the shit they putting the other artists through the ring of. I don't give a who it is. They like, yo, go see Fat Joe. The biggest on Earth. It's coming in like. Well, they're saying we have to have your approval to come on the float. And I'm like, I don't give a.

[T.I.]

You a legend you let on the float.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody okay.

[T.I.]

Okay. Okay. That's hard.

[Fat Joe]

You want to talk about soul playing? This is soul playing on the float like this. I don't care. But I just want the city to enjoy it. I want my artists.

[T.I.]

Oh, city's gonna enjoy it regardless.

[Fat Joe]

City.

[T.I.]

City been enjoying it.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but you. You know who's on my float?

[T.I.]

Ti who on your float?

[Fat Joe]

I got Wu Tang Clan, okay? I got Mobb D. Okay. I got Mop. I got the locks, I got Mary J. Blige.

[T.I.]

Okay?

[Fat Joe]

I got Tiana. This shit. That motherfucker Justin Fabulous. We got fucking Melly Mel and Mr. Ness. It's like the jungle sometimes we. Not now. Stop it. This gonna be edging. Yeah, but you know the biggest. The hardest part is when they give you that job. You don't realize that want to bring their family. We ain't got no room, but look.

[T.I.]

Yeah, that what I was. I was just about to say, did the float have a capacity?

[Fat Joe]

It does, and we're at capacity.

[T.I.]

The first you said. You said you got wuang, and you know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Like, it's a lot of Wu Tang. You know what happened with wuang? You know why a lot of wuang, man. Yeah.

[T.I.]

You know what I mean, man, It's

[Fat Joe]

a lot of Wu Tang. The motherfucker got the whole flow. I'm like, when it comes to. Remy is on the float. The only person outside of New York I invited because she got the hottest shit in the world is Young Miami.

[T.I.]

Okay?

[Fat Joe]

And she gonna do that. Spin that shit.

[T.I.]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

Spin that shit.

[T.I.]

Yeah. Spin that shit. Hey, hey, hey.

[Fat Joe]

Crack.

[Host/Producer]

Crack.

[Fat Joe]

Like that move moving, yo, listen. Crack moving to that spend that we debuted that here. Everybody thought we was lying. We was actually vibing, and we was like, yo, this ain't.

[T.I.]

Yeah, this is it.

[Fat Joe]

And then they. No, no, our audience.

[T.I.]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

This guy's the purest. Top five dead or like, they did. You know, the real Boom Bappers was like, yo, y' all lying to that girl. Why y' all lying? Talk about shit was a hit.

[T.I.]

Shit was a hit.

[Fat Joe]

Was a hit.

[T.I.]

Fun fact. Fun fact. Three weeks before she dropped that record, I just happened to be. We happened to be in the same restaurant, and she was playing, like, I guess some shit she had on her phone, and she was, like, not knowing what to play. Like, kind of, like, uncertain about. I don't know if that's it. I don't know if that's it. I was like, yo, you gonna know when you got it. And I was like, she must didn't have that motherfucker yet. You know? She know to play that motherfucker. She must. Didn't know.

[Fat Joe]

She came and she was like, yo, I feel like playing this joint. When she played that shit, I knew it. Because Spend that shit, I knew. If you really want to know. Spend that shit is exactly what I'm going to tell you. Spend that shit that you can have whatever you like. Spend that shit is Bryce. Untilis. I could give you what you want. I could give you what you want. It's the same shit. Women want to hear that. You gonna spend that shit on them or you gonna buy them that shit? You gonna. You can have whatever you like. That's what they wan. I know what's that Bryson dealership. Whatever you want. Whatever you want. Spend that shit. That's just the girl's version of saying, spend that shit.

[T.I.]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

Spend that. It's always like, Young Kiss. You gotta stop cracking.

[T.I.]

You know that.

[Fat Joe]

God know the DNA. You know that. God knows the DNA. I know that shit. Trust me. When I heard it, I was like, oh, no, this out of here. Because that's all these girls want to hear. Pen that shit.

[T.I.]

It's definitely a first listening record.

[Fat Joe]

Record. Yeah, it was. It was. When is the album coming out? Because the album is phenomenal, by the way. I just went to take the Sky Rizzy break and all I thought about was like, damn, this got a hot. You just played us. Bombs, brokers, nuclear smokers after smokers after smokers. I don't even know which one's my favorite we're gonna have. We can listen to more. One. Yeah, man, 1800 moment. This one is for the OG's. Let's keep it 1800. Let's toast to the new album.

[T.I.]

Let's do that and let's play some new music. Yeah, Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I mean, 1800.

[T.I.]

I think I'm. I think I'm gonna do the. I think I'm gonna do the. The T. Pain joint. Dope Boy Academy T. Pain. You know, I ain't gonna tell him who I am.

[Fat Joe]

I don't even say nothing. He just gonna play. Yeah, that's automatic, though.

[T.I.]

Hey, hey, Crack, you remember when we were neighbors in Miami?

[Fat Joe]

Yes.

[T.I.]

Hey, man, we stayed. We stayed in the same condominium complex, man.

[Fat Joe]

Townhouse on the water. But let me tell you, s. You remember the time you grabbed. Well, a legend. It. What? What you talking about? Nah, I'm with you. Like, listen, I'm back.

[T.I.]

Hey, man, we had some wild times.

[Fat Joe]

I'm with you. Hanging out one time, and your wife called you and thought she saw a ghost or anybody outside the window or some shit. And you left so fast, and you like, yo, Crack, come on. And you ran out. You ran out. It was nothing. It was a raccoon. My. It was nothing. But you was like, who? Where? She was like, no, I heard a noise. She probably just tried to get you back home. She was like, I heard a noise. You was like, where? Where's the noise? I'm like, yo, I'm. And I had the thing on me, too. I'm like. I'm like, yo, this nigga right here got a short view. You lost it. But thank God it was a raccoon. It wasn't nothing. It was nothing, man.

[Host/Producer]

I don't.

[Fat Joe]

But you, you, you. You went crazy. She called you, you was like, yo, crack, let's go. I said, okay. He was like, you got up, you got fire on you. I said, yeah. He said, I got one too. So we went over there, but you was like, you are not playing about that family, I'll tell you that much. I was there on the scene of a real false alarm.

[T.I.]

I do.

[Fat Joe]

I was on the scene for a real false alarm. No, I'm real false alarm. Oh, shit.

[T.I.]

While I concur completely with the idea of me not playing by family, I had no recollection of this moment that cracked.

[Fat Joe]

No, but I'm telling you, I'm not

[T.I.]

saying that in heaven.

[Fat Joe]

No, it did happen. I don't lie to y. Let's do the toast. Let's play this music. It did happen.

[T.I.]

Come on, man. Love and respect.

[Fat Joe]

1800 to the album. What's the name of the album?

[T.I.]

T. Kill the king. Kill.

[Fat Joe]

Kill the king. Kill the king. The last ones.

[T.I.]

The last one,

[Fat Joe]

bro. They want that

[T.I.]

longevity.

[Fat Joe]

Longevity.

[T.I.]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to Empire

[T.I.]

here's the stand with the same you came in the game with. You feel what I'm saying? Yeah. Finishing with the you started with, you know.

[Fat Joe]

I went, let's play this music, man. Hey, me and my getting money, you with the dope boys. Parking lot stunning Every time they see us they say oh boy oh boy oh boy.

[T.I.]

Start a cold dick true suits in the name gold chain dang Dane's on the ship stand behind me cuz they are Cartier lows yeah know the price that was even more enticing and got it for lower prices Crimatine shouted I could beat the store price and now we need some more waters Bake soda and a cup of J we get to rolling then we taking over we getting paid on the daily the hustle is all we know like if they coming raid today it we gotta go took a trip and met the plug he dropped the Geronimo I scolded fan told his ag do it for Frank, Matthew, Rich, Porter and Scoot would have had a bright future they could have quit soon now when we count 100 we dedicate the to him when they was alive now we'll take the to him I'm saying

[Fat Joe]

the dope boys. The myth, the legend 3.5 like a 7 talking so much white kitchen looking like it's heavy glad bags in the sk on heavy real and when it

[T.I.]

lock up and turn the rubber band

[Fat Joe]

cuff we get money over here with some rubber band love make a sucker like a CD Whole thing solitary and PC Mister, work that fork to my handshake that's a quarter million dollar worth of pancake Me, I'm on the floor like a kingside Put them hands on the scale to the be Louisiana chicken I ain't talking pie, pie what you got left? Parking lot stunning Every time I see us they say, oh, boy, oh, boy. $50 slab I made 120 off of that was way before I was sipping Call, sir running car low I turned that to a Rolls Royce Put a hole in a size of a golf course and I keep bands on me like it's a concert Backseat recline like a cilantro Yellow chin chilling look like it's blonde hair My lady got a fat ass I leave my palm there Tony, give him hell Tony got turkey bag Tony got scale Tony got clientele Pocket full of bail Lotta land at the Creole Got trash, hell, yeah Jet skis on the lake trespass I throw a tree in your face I'm a

[T.I.]

bet like it's a C and an

[Fat Joe]

8 I'm a dope boy blowing weed

[T.I.]

in your face

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. I just think about something. Even though I'm happy for you, man. I just thought about Big Mike, man. Last time I saw you, we was with Big Mike. Yeah.

[T.I.]

Yeah, man.

[Fat Joe]

That guy walking me into Atlanta, maybe 93. He had treated me like a king, man. He was one of the best guys I ever known. Big Mike. Rest in peace.

[T.I.]

Long live Big Mike. Long live OG Clay. Damn.

[Fat Joe]

Clay. Clay with Clay. Two days. Long live Knockouts away.

[T.I.]

Hell, yo. Long live Knockout man. God damn, Nigel.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, let me tell you something, man. You had some. You had some real family members pass away, man. That shit, Clay. Oh, that me up. Clay was my heart. Clay fucked me up. Atlanta lost. I mean, Chubby Baby from here, but he from Atlanta.

[T.I.]

Yeah, he was.

[Fat Joe]

That was another shout out to Chubby baby. Family.

[T.I.]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying? Just all good people, man. Beautiful people, definitely. But Clay, I was with him two days before, bro. That was the craziest. The album coming. When. When the album coming.

[T.I.]

6, 26.

[Fat Joe]

26. 6, 26, 26.

[T.I.]

Yeah. Forwards and backward, man. However you say it, it's the same date, man.

[Fat Joe]

Is that like astronomy or something? Is that orange and blue sky? It got to me. It's a palindrome. Yeah, palindrome. When it's the same. Like Bob. The name Bob, it's a. It's a palindrome.

[T.I.]

Like level.

[Fat Joe]

You knew that because you always use the word.

[T.I.]

Hannah is another levels of palindrome.

[Fat Joe]

Levels spelled back with his level. I get that. Yeah, that's what it is. But you knew there was a palindrome because you always know shit like that. Did you personally know the name of it was? You knew that because you always used.

[T.I.]

I heard it before, but I didn't. I didn't remember.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't know what that. I watch Jeopardy every night. They do palindromes all the time. That's why.

[T.I.]

Okay.

[Fat Joe]

What Jeopardy? Oh, yeah, Jeopardy loves a palindrome. Or a mix up a word to make another word. Check this out. Some old man. This ain't that. That ain't this. It's crack. Cracking. Kiss. Make some noise for tip.

[T.I.]

Y'. All respect, man. Hey, man. Appreciate y'. All.

[Fat Joe]

You got some smokers on that.