Tracy McGrady talks Knicks, ICONIC Rockets-Spurs comeback, toughest NBA matchup & ‘Cousins’ podcast with Vince Carter

Summary

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Joe and Jada: Tracy McGrady Talks Knicks, ICONIC Rockets-Spurs Comeback, Toughest NBA Matchup & ‘Cousins’ Podcast with Vince Carter

Date: April 23, 2026
Guests: Tracy McGrady, Matt Barnes
Host(s): Fat Joe & Jadakiss

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into NBA Hall of Famer Tracy McGrady's career and legacy, with Fat Joe, Jadakiss, and guest Matt Barnes engaging in classic NYC banter and storytelling. They break down McGrady's legendary moments (including the iconic “13 points in 35 seconds” Rockets comeback), discuss the culture and pressure of New York Knicks basketball, reminisce about music and sports crossovers, and dig into the psychology of big moments and tough matchups in the NBA. They also touch on McGrady’s new ventures, including the ‘Cousins’ podcast with Vince Carter and his evolving role as a sports businessman.

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Main Topics & Discussion Highlights

1. Tracy McGrady's Career & Knicks Years

• Tracy in NYC:
  • Jada and Fat Joe introduce McGrady as “one of the most gifted scorers the NBA's ever seen.” (02:07)
  • Reflection on ex-stars joining the Knicks past their prime, with Fat Joe joking:

    “Why we always get the players that transform into...they're no longer the you, you. We get the government name player.” (03:20)

• Knicks Culture & Mentality:
  • They discuss the enduring heartbreak, expectations, and unique energy around the Knicks’ franchise, referencing the “old timers” and passionate celebrity fanbase.

    “Last year for the Knicks was amazing to watch... see all the old timers come back to see y’all in there.” – Matt Barnes (24:10)

2. Iconic Rockets-Spurs Comeback – “13 in 35”

• T-Mac on the Legendary Moment (04:28):
  • Matt Barnes asks about McGrady's 13 points in 35 seconds:

    “It was like 13 points in like 35 seconds against San Antonio... I was struggling for three quarters, and we was down in the fourth, and something just came over me, bro.”

  • Getting “in the zone”:

    “The basket is huge now.”
    “It’s muscle memory...Once I got that feeling it's over. Like there’s nothing you could do.” – McGrady (05:39)

• Analogy to Music:
  • Matt Barnes draws parallels between being locked in during an NBA game and being in the booth, freestyling perfectly. (07:14)
  • Fat Joe:

    “God’s given me a lot of blessings, but he never gave me that one miracle basketball game...” (06:45)

3. Pressure, Psychology, and 'Busts' in the NBA

• Discussing Player Pressure (15:32):
  • Stories about Ben Simmons, Markelle Fultz, D'Angelo Russell, and Knicks’ European draft busts.
  • Fat Joe on Markelle Fultz:

    “He was nice. And then you could tell mentally, something happened to him...he just couldn’t get out of that. Then they moved him to Orlando. F— pressure.” (15:52)

  • On the weight of expectations:

    “Number one pick. That's pressure.” – Matt Barnes (16:27)

  • Joe’s raw reaction to Knicks draft picks, e.g.,

    “I want to kill this n—a...we breaking his kneecaps. We getting them out of stars.” (18:44)

• Mentions of Basketball ‘Blocks’:
  • Reference to Nick Anderson, a “basketball psychology” case after NBA Finals missed free throws. (13:46)

4. Toughest Matchups in the NBA

• Fat Joe asks about T-Mac’s ‘toughest defender’ (19:20):
  • McGrady immediately names Ron Artest (Metta World Peace):

    “Ron Artest was tough, 6’8”, strong as an ox, long wingspan...It’s a strategy, I can’t play against him like anybody else.” (20:04)

• Old School vs. New School:
  • Joe underscores how Reggie Miller “invented” running around screens before Steph Curry, referencing classic Pacers-Knicks drama.

    “The original Steph Curry was Reggie Miller...they invented them picks for Reggie Miller.” (21:36)

  • Debate on whether Miller’s reputation is made solely on the Knicks rivalry:

    “They said the Knick shit is the only reason why the man caught the Hall of Fame, because of that 13 on Spike.” (23:11)

5. Coaching Culture & Basketball Leagues

• Fat Joe’s Coaching Lore:
  • Brags about being “99 and 1” in the Rucker as a coach; recounts jail basketball coaching story.

    “I took the Bad News Bears to a chip in jail. I cannot lose.” (31:01)

• Matt Barnes’ One-on-One League (The OBL):
  • Barnes breaks down his new one-on-one basketball league, its egalitarian ownership structure, and city-based representation:

    “I wanted to start this league, but...give ownership to folks that look like me. So, you know, came up with the eight cities and eight guys that are influential.” (34:35)

  • Details on the league: Each team has four players, playing a series of one-on-one matches—“It’s going to be crazy, man. We’re doing it May 15th in Orlando.” (37:25)
• Culture of Swag & Sneakers:
  • Jokes about coaching footwear and Matt Barnes' large shoe size:

    “Them shoes so big, I feel like I got a gun in my face...That look like you put the foot up in somebody ass.” – Fat Joe (38:32)

  • Observations on personal style and sneaker culture throughout, including Terror Squad Air Force launch stories. (66:08)

6. Changing Times: Music Industry and Radio

• Aging in Hip-Hop:
  • Fat Joe and Jada debate why “old” rappers get written off by radio, even if their music is still hot.

    “I had a radio guy...say, we are not playing old n—a music no matter what.” – Fat Joe (47:04)

  • Issues with radio gatekeeping vs. streaming—young people stream, “You listen to the radio, you’re a dinosaur.” (50:59)
  • Jada’s insight:

    “Hip hop’s only 51 years old. So they don’t know what’s old...they still in the uproar of how they categorizing it.” (46:43)

• Versus Battles & Top Hip-Hop Moments:
  • Jadakiss and Fat Joe reflect on their greatest career moments—such as Jada’s legendary Versus battle and Joe's “Lean Back” performance at Summer Jam.

    “He said, ‘yo, them guys fake New York guys live in Miami. I'm like...when he...I'm looking like Miami. I had the Coach Brown sneaker on. Looked like I came off the yacht, got hoodies on.’” – Fat Joe on Jada in Versus (58:51) “Biggest moment ever…Lean Back at Summer Jam...that shit was only out two days...and 70,000 n—as started leaning back.” – Fat Joe (60:07)

• Reflections on Musical Success:
  • Joe recalls hearing “What’s Love” hit number one:

    “I went on my knees immediately and started praying to God because I couldn’t believe...That shit was unreal.” (64:01)

  • They share the special feeling of hearing your song played all over NYC and its meaning for artists from humble beginnings. (65:00)

7. The ‘Cousins’ Podcast with Vince Carter

• Origins & Vision:
  • McGrady outlines why he and Vince Carter teamed up:

    “We talk on the phone, man, often. Hour, two hours. About family, about life, about the game...The opportunity came up for the podcast...I didn’t want to do it. But then when we started talking about numbers, that caught my attention.” (53:24, 54:30)

  • Focus is on authenticity over viral “firestorms”:

    “Everything we want to put out is just...real and authentic and, you know, be relatable and not just trying to create a firestorm on social media.” (54:39)

• McGrady & Carter’s Place in NBA Family History:

  “There’s no other cousin [duo] equivalent to you and Vince.” – Fat Joe/Jada (53:45)

  • Brief comparison to the Alexander cousins, but MC & VC are “the gold standard.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Getting “In the Zone”:

  “When you get in that zone, nobody can fuck with you...Once I got that feeling it’s over.” – Tracy McGrady (05:39)

• Fat Joe on the Knicks' luck with aging stars:

  “Why we always get the players that transform into... they're no longer the you, you.” (03:20)

• On overcoming pressure and public scrutiny:

  “That’s not throwing the basketball pressure...Your kids going to school, they threatening your kids. That’s not pressure.” – Fat Joe, on NBA players vs. street life (16:48)

• Matt Barnes pitching his OBL league:

  “I wanted to do it differently and give ownership to folks that look like me.” (34:35)

• Jadakiss's take on the evolution of hip-hop legends:

  “I don’t think they figured it out with the age bracket yet. Hip-hop's only 51 years old.” (46:43)

• Fat Joe on radio gatekeeping:

  “We are not playing old n—a music, no matter what...they just letting me know that Fat Joe’s expendable.” (49:31)

• On authentic podcasting:

  “...That's not my thing. I'm cool on that. So—and that shit is not sustainable. You know, you're just creating and trying to make up some shit. Then you get caught in your bullshit.” – Tracy McGrady (54:39)

• On musical success:

  “Every car bumping your shit—that was it.” – Fat Joe (65:00)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction / Knicks Years – 01:39-03:53
• Rockets-Spurs Comeback – 03:58-07:02
• Basketball Psychology & Pressure – 13:46-18:19
• Toughest Matchups (Ron Artest) – 19:20-21:36
• Reggie Miller/Knicks Legacy Debate – 21:36-23:29
• Mike Brown, Coach Culture – 27:12-29:55
• Matt Barnes Introduces OBL League – 33:34-38:00
• Sneaker Culture, Coaching Swag – 38:33-40:25
• Music Industry, Ageism in Hip-Hop – 44:13-52:35
• Cousins Podcast & New Broadcasting Ventures – 53:19-56:43
• Best Verses & Hip-Hop Moments – 58:37-61:49
• Reflections on Musical Success in NYC – 64:01-66:08
• Closing Reflections on Legacy and Competition – 68:04-69:16

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Final Thoughts

This episode blends locker-room banter, Bronx storytelling, and sharp sports/music analysis—giving listeners an unfiltered look at the intersection of hip hop and hoops culture in America. Tracy McGrady’s honesty about his career highs and lows, the grind behind athletic and musical success, and his new projects with Vince Carter mirror the hustle and legacy-building of both the NBA and rap game. The discussion is fast-paced, deeply cultural, and full of classic NYC energy—essential listening for fans of either world.

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Transcript

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[Fat Joe]

you know, I'm practice up here.

[Matt Barnes]

Just bumping it, boy.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm talking about running it.

[Matt Barnes]

Ain't listening to listen. He running it.

[Fat Joe]

First of all, I'mma be honest with you. Them shoes so big, I feel like I got a gun in my face. That look like a AR15 caliber SHO. Is that. That look like you put the foot up in somebody ass. They in trouble. Yeah, yeah. What up, y'? All. This your boy, Joe Crack the dawn.

[Jada]

You know who it is. Your boy Jada. It's the Joe and Jada show. Every show legendary. Every show iconic. My man got that lavender on today, so.

[Fat Joe]

Nah, but say it slow. You looking like Teddy Buxton right now. You got that on, you know what I mean? Y' all been showing me a little rib, a little Gucci. Yo, you getting money. Man, this thing's crazy. God damn, this guy, right? He look like a huxtable right? Now

[Jada]

when you think of today's guest, you think of one of the most gifted scorers the NBA's ever seen.

[Fat Joe]

Right? Right. True.

[Jada]

Think of seven time all star.

[Fat Joe]

Right? Right.

[Jada]

Two time scoring champion.

[Fat Joe]

Off the back, boy.

[Jada]

You never seen him in college. Cause he didn't attend college.

[Fat Joe]

Sure.

[Jada]

Great father, hall of famer, real good person, you know what I mean? If you know him, you know him. If you don't, you want to know him. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for my brother, tracy T. Mac McRe.

[Matt Barnes]

Yes, sir.

[Fat Joe]

A one time Nick.

[Matt Barnes]

Yes, sir.

[Fat Joe]

Hey, yo, he was even on the

[Jada]

Nick for a minute.

[Matt Barnes]

He was even.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you don't want that one, huh? He don't want that.

[Matt Barnes]

He said, yo, yo, yo, N. If I was tmac at the time with the Knicks, yeah, we could, we definitely could celebrate that. But I, I, I had, you know, transformed into Tracy. So. Yeah, yeah, we gonna stop talking about

[Fat Joe]

yeah, why we always get the players that transform into the. They're no longer the you, you. We gotta a fucking man. We've been doing that, motherfuckers. He just said he wasn't T. Mac at the time. He was Tracy. That's who we be getting all the time. The government name play. We. Yo. He was once exploitive from the Phoenix Sun. Then he come over, he's Jonathan Williams, Benny Hardaway. It wasn't Penny.

[Matt Barnes]

We got anthroney why we don't get organizational problem.

[Jada]

Yeah, that sounds like something. That sounds like personnel. Yeah. I gotta ask you before we even get into to the interview you was on, this is your Rockets years, the amount of points you scored in a couple of seconds. What the, how did, what was going through your mind? How many points was it and how fast was it?

[Matt Barnes]

It was like 13 points in like 35 seconds against San Antonio.

[Fat Joe]

How did that happen?

[Matt Barnes]

So it's one of those things, man, in the league when you get in that zone, like nobody can fuck with you when you get in that zone. I was struggling for three quarters in that game, shooting. And we was down in the fourth quarter and something just came over me, bro. You know what I mean? I hit a three pointer and we foul. We get the ball back and then I'm coming off. I pump fake Tim Duncan, got him off his feet, hit another three pointer and one. So once I got the and one on the second three, I was like, oh, unstopped. The basket is huge now.

[Fat Joe]

Okay, this is a question I always ask. I'm not a supreme basketball player. I love basketball. But I ever wondered if in real life. I'm talking about real life, right? Does the basket ever get like so big?

[Jada]

That's what he just said.

[Fat Joe]

See a guy, I forget who. Somebody shot a three over the Joker the other day. He was all the way in there. There's no way. They just threw it and they just

[Matt Barnes]

knew where this shit went in 30, 50.

[Fat Joe]

Does it get bigger?

[Matt Barnes]

It's muscle memories. You know where the basket at, no matter who's in front of you and how long their reaches. Like, I know where the basket is, so you can put your hand in my face and try to blind me. Now, once I got that Feeling it's over. Like there's nothing you could do.

[Fat Joe]

Cause we got a sniper here. The other day, the basket was big. The one on Instagram where y' all chopped that video up. You and the lethal you.

[Matt Barnes]

Was that.

[Fat Joe]

Was that eight, Nine of them shits in a row. Like, was the basket looking big?

[Jada]

Nah, that's what it is. You know when you do this professionally.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, sorry I asked.

[Matt Barnes]

So when you shooting, right? Yes. When you shooting and you make a few. You feel like when you get in that zone, you get in the zone.

[Hard Rock Bet Announcer]

Get in the zone.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't gonna lie. I always. God's given me a lot of blessings, but he never gave me that one miracle basketball game. Like, I've been to celebrity basketball games or pick up basketball games. I pray you, God, let the shit just go in. Let me have one of them legendary Jeremy Lynn games.

[Matt Barnes]

And you still made a basket yet.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't got it. I ain't get it. So sometimes when I see the shit going in, I wonder if the guy sees the basket bigger than it actually is. Because some games, some guys can't miss.

[Matt Barnes]

That's how it is.

[Fat Joe]

Motherfucker come down, shoot three nine threes in a row. He's seeing that shit like in the NBA. Comes down just. So that's it.

[Matt Barnes]

It's just, you know, with anything, man, when you're in that fucking booth, you know what I mean? When you're in the booth and you just got that feeling over you and you start spitting out some shit, you just. You get in that zone, you lock in, and you know, it's not, you know, you nice. You know, you just killed it in the booth.

[Fat Joe]

See, Matt, we gotta be careful with that right there. I love your analogy, but it's a lot of whack niggas out there that are. Yeah, but them think they in the zone.

[Jada]

Yeah, they still in the zone. They just in the zone of wax.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. This trash. And, yo, we gonna keep doing this. You know, I always prayed to God. You know, I've been to some celebrity basketball games. I'm saying, yo, God, man, let me see the basket. Big. It never happened for me.

[Matt Barnes]

Did you play baseball?

[Fat Joe]

I played softball. I was a legend in the street. To the Bronx.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Jada]

Softball.

[Fat Joe]

Softball.

[Jada]

JJ Zabathi.

[Fat Joe]

JJ Sabathi in the Bronx. Striking motherfuckers out fast. Shit.

[Matt Barnes]

Oh, you played fast pitch softball?

[Fat Joe]

I would have struck you out, T. Mac. I'm not lying.

[Matt Barnes]

I would have sent that 400. I'm a baseball player.

[Fat Joe]

You would have not hit it I'm

[Matt Barnes]

a baseball that would have went JT

[Fat Joe]

B is a good get slam under arm.

[Matt Barnes]

I'm sending that up.

[Fat Joe]

I used to be in the club this six in the morning and pitch at 7:30 in the middle with the sun 90 degrees. I never got tired when I was young. And those guys are but speeding. I strike you out, bro. I'm telling you. Don't disrespect J.J. sabat.

[Matt Barnes]

How many, John? I just want to know.

[Fat Joe]

Crap.

[Matt Barnes]

All I want to know. How many times you winding up though

[Fat Joe]

before you release the ball riser. Or is it one time Riser is. Yeah, I don't. God forbid I get two strikes on you say inside this.

[Matt Barnes]

That's place it.

[Fat Joe]

You're not listening. I got some that go like this, right? Last minute, last minute. This go.

[Matt Barnes]

That sounded like a.

[Fat Joe]

So you thinking you hit this here end up here and you struck out all these guys Got struck out. All of them. I'm not talking about a celebrity. You know how many guys are walking around Spanish Harlem and. And fucking the Bronx? That I fucking like disrespected them in front of their families. Firemen, all type of hostages. They came to the game with their families. Not right now. I'm washing up.

[Matt Barnes]

We need footage.

[Fat Joe]

I'm washed up. We need footage right now. I'm Joseph Carter.

[Matt Barnes]

That's crazy though. I've never heard of pun.

[Fat Joe]

Was my biggest fan. Punt. Come sit on the side. Gun in the glove. Don't argue with pun about Fat Joe. He was my biggest fan.

[Matt Barnes]

This is a male softball league, Cole.

[Fat Joe]

You being disrespectful, yo. A male song.

[Matt Barnes]

Or is it coed?

[Fat Joe]

These are grown men that smack shit out the park.

[Matt Barnes]

You said he's pitching underhand.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but I'm pitching fast. Softball, softball, but fast.

[Matt Barnes]

Male softball league.

[Fat Joe]

Male softball. Grown ass man softball league.

[Matt Barnes]

What you throwing like 60?

[Fat Joe]

I don't know what I was throwing. I know I was striking everybody out. Every star game you wish I was.

[Matt Barnes]

I was at the little celebrity joint, little CC joint out there and trying to throw you a little curve and.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, damn. That's why he sent me my prime. He didn't see me when I was J mad. You saw Joseph Antonio Carina. You didn't see. That's why he's talking.

[Jada]

They put his.

[Fat Joe]

That's why he's talking, player.

[Matt Barnes]

First of all, real stories coming out, Joe. First of all, real stories coming out, Joe. Real. The real stories, Rich. Tell them, Rich.

[Fat Joe]

What's the story? Hold up. What's the store that you Used to work at when you was a kid, the Mayo. Let me tell you something. We played with the official softball in Yankee Stadium to make it excited. They. They were playing with corked softballs that if you hit a foul ball, that shit go up a deck. They was playing with them green softballs. They wasn't playing with the white leather softball. They officially your bandit. Actually really didn't smack my shit. It was a ball that was like a golf ball. I'm trying to tell you.

[Matt Barnes]

Hey, Joe, they loaded.

[Fat Joe]

They loaded softballs.

[Matt Barnes]

I got a question, though.

[Fat Joe]

Why niggas? I'm telling you. You better go to a softball. They got green softballs. Question for brother could smack that out the park, bro. I'm not lying to you.

[Matt Barnes]

I just got a question.

[Fat Joe]

Bro, I was washed up, too. I was washed up.

[Matt Barnes]

I just got a question.

[Fat Joe]

He got a truth.

[Matt Barnes]

Hey, Joe, I just got one question.

[Fat Joe]

He smacked this. These be hating.

[Matt Barnes]

Y' all didn't have little.

[Fat Joe]

Huh?

[Matt Barnes]

Y' all didn't have lily baseball, like yo. Or baseball?

[Fat Joe]

No, we did baseball. Well in. But I don't know if it's just bronze coffer culture, but them Puerto Ricans in the Bronx, they played softball and they got. We. My man.

[Matt Barnes]

We thought so that y' all grew up playing softball.

[Fat Joe]

Man, we got guys that park that on top of the roof. Like, they don't play. No, no.

[Matt Barnes]

I seen some dogs on that.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, that's what we had. Like that.

[Matt Barnes]

I see my team that they can place the ball.

[Fat Joe]

I had guys who violated. They could be Rough Riders D block. The best guy in the world, he'd be like, yo, I'm sorry, Jayda. I'm playing with Joe. Could you hit the niggas? I hit every time. I can control the hitting, too. So if I'm batting up and I want to hit it right on right field, right on the fucking line, right field. And I'm ready. Pow. Right on the side. Every single time. I fucked up one time.

[Matt Barnes]

One time.

[Fat Joe]

One time. One time. We in the chip game seven. We got runners on base. Uncle Dan was supposed to bat up. Uncle Dan historically, does not hit better than me. I'm on the bench. I pull him out. I bat up.

[Matt Barnes]

Strike.

[Fat Joe]

Never strike out, but popped out. And Uncle Dan, 40 years later, he want to kill me. He said, yo, I was lucky that day. I was going to hit this. I'm like, yo, kill fun ever. But I that game up like I thought, you know, I usually get hits that. That me up it me up. I'm traumatized by that.

[Matt Barnes]

Softball me up, huh?

[Fat Joe]

Big Nick Anderson.

[Matt Barnes]

That was crazy. That was crazy, man. Basketball psychology. Anderson, huh? It's crazy that your mind can go that way, bro, to where you feel like you can't make a shot. Are you scared to take a shot? Like, that's a psychological thing that it was just. He had that block.

[Jada]

Yo, yo, we just want to let y' all know 1800 is the official tequila of Joe and Jada.

[Fat Joe]

We doing it big right now. We keeping it 1800, the premier tequila. And let me tell you something, this 1800 is something special. When me and Jada get on that 1800, it's fire.

[Jada]

You can see we got the engraved special bottles.

[Fat Joe]

A staple known for craftsmanship and consistency.

[Jada]

Yeah, I mean, 1800.

[Fat Joe]

1800.

[Matt Barnes]

That's what happened to Mikhail, folks. That's a real thing.

[Fat Joe]

That's a sad story.

[Jada]

What's the nice of that? Like, like, so it's something. Yeah.

[Matt Barnes]

We're not ct. Not on.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, what's up, miguel, folks?

[Matt Barnes]

Not. Not on this one.

[Fat Joe]

Bob simmons. What's the. From the nets.

[Matt Barnes]

Ben simmons.

[Fat Joe]

Ben simmons.

[Jada]

Bob simmons,

[Matt Barnes]

This back.

[Fat Joe]

Bob Simmons.

[Matt Barnes]

Nah, nah, real. Real talk, like.

[Fat Joe]

But they never said it's this bad.

[Matt Barnes]

Now, listen, I know a lot of people on Ben Simmons. Dude. Could have been. Could have been. No, no, no.

[Fat Joe]

He drew ski. Gotta sign him up.

[Matt Barnes]

It was his back. It was his back and then, you know, his.

[Fat Joe]

But nobody ever explained us to. It's just the back.

[Matt Barnes]

They said it was like mental, and then it. Yeah, so that led to the mind. It led to his mental.

[Jada]

He used to do it.

[Matt Barnes]

But before his injury, though, before. Oh, he was good, bro.

[Jada]

He could.

[Fat Joe]

Homeboy Fox was good, too. Till he got mentally. Nah, man, it ain't the shoulder, man. He just lost his mind. He was sad, you know, I was watching him. What happened? Kiss. You want me to talk for real? We talking, right? I was sad for him, for Markell, folks, because he was nice. And then you could tell mentally, something happened to him. And I'm watching him at the game and he's just struggling, and he just couldn't get out of that. Then they moved him to Orlando. Fuck pressure.

[Matt Barnes]

Number one pick. He was the number one pick.

[Fat Joe]

That's pressure.

[Matt Barnes]

You gotta live up to that number one pick crack.

[Fat Joe]

So sorry, my brothers. You gotta live up to. You gotta do what you gotta do, right?

[Matt Barnes]

But it's not.

[Fat Joe]

You can't be scared of.

[Matt Barnes]

He played the game, meaning college. He didn't know he was getting drafted.

[Fat Joe]

Number one, 50 cents on your ass in the fucking hip Hop dissing you every day on World Star. And this, Your mother's a lesbian. That, this, that, this, this. That's fucking pressure. Your kids going to school. They threatening your kids.

[Matt Barnes]

You do the same.

[Fat Joe]

That's not throwing the basketball pressure. Listen. What? Huh?

[Jada]

No.

[Fat Joe]

Telling you, bro. He should have showed up. Your man's a boss, too. What's his name? Rich? Your guy, The Russell guy? He was. He never did. He was number one, too.

[Matt Barnes]

Who? The football player.

[Fat Joe]

D' Angelo Russell.

[Matt Barnes]

He wasn't a bus number two. He's on a bus.

[Fat Joe]

He ain't nothing compared to what he thought he was. Let me tell you something. Do me. Because he's a Laker. Y' all got him two times.

[Matt Barnes]

Nah, he ain't.

[Fat Joe]

No, y' all spun the block with that nigga. He still skunk up the plates. Let me tell you something. You know why? I knew when he got drafted, he was so cocky and we could go back to the clip, James. We cut this up, you go draft night, that boy. Nephew, be careful. Be careful. We gotta stay humble. That man walked up in there in that draft, he was like, don't stick records like. He was on that. Like this with the suit. I said, yo, he went up with air. He stuck up the place, Joe.

[Matt Barnes]

He lasted.

[Fat Joe]

Never became who he was supposed to become.

[Matt Barnes]

He had a good career. He had a solid career.

[Fat Joe]

No, he didn't.

[Matt Barnes]

He played over 10 years.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, but whack years. 10 whack years, you don't go number two. And the thing. Let me tell you something, bro.

[Matt Barnes]

Nah, you can't base it off that. You can't base it off that. They ain't drafting themselves.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, yeah, he ain't good.

[Matt Barnes]

Nah, they're not drafting themselves. So if somebody looks good. He wasn't all that number two. You can't put that on him.

[Fat Joe]

How about the Knicks? The Knicks drafted. That nigga was so trash. The guy from France, Mikel Frank McGill. I wanted to kill this nigga. Like, I was like, if I ever see this, say less or something, we breaking this kneecaps. We getting them out of stars.

[Jada]

They left.

[Fat Joe]

I see this.

[Matt Barnes]

Seriously, Dara. Protect all customers from Joe.

[Fat Joe]

That nigga would have been Asus rendezvous. One night, I'd have been like, get him. Gotta go.

[Jada]

Who was Your toughest?

[Fat Joe]

Frankie McAu. That was the biggest bullshit.

[Matt Barnes]

Was.

[Fat Joe]

Your man picked him, too. Jordan's coach, Phil Jackson picked that.

[Jada]

You know we do.

[Fat Joe]

Frank. Michelle. Oh, I'm still having.

[Jada]

You know, I have a show that they ain't on.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, you having the Whole conversation, I'm overdose. What's his name?

[Matt Barnes]

Frank.

[Fat Joe]

I was like that. Look, I'm twisted cause of that Frank McGowan. Any other team that caught him after us, I was like, y' all got

[Jada]

him except his name.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, my God.

[Jada]

Who was the toughest defender?

[Fat Joe]

Who's the wackest guy you ever

[Matt Barnes]

the toughest man run. Our test was tough, you know, six, eight. Run, run. Queen, bridge. Six, eight. Strong as an ox. Long, wingspan, short.

[Fat Joe]

Brother Danny was like that in the street basketball.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, they just run. Ron was one of them.

[Fat Joe]

Big boned it. They gonna hurt you every time.

[Matt Barnes]

It's not it'. And when I say tough, like.

[Fat Joe]

No, he's tough.

[Matt Barnes]

It's like, I know I gotta battle, like, I gotta strategize on how I hoop tonight. Other niggas, you know, it's just like, I'm going through my joint.

[Fat Joe]

You just gonna shake him.

[Matt Barnes]

It ain't nothing. I know I'm gonna get my shot off easily. But Ron, it's like, it's a strategy. I can't. I play against him differently than I'll play somebody else. You know what I mean? Cause with him, you can't sit there and play with the ball. Cause he's so strong. You're not really going shake him out of his shoes. It's either a fast move, quick move, get your shot off me. I like to mix it up with him. I like to run him like Steph. Cause I was one of the dudes, I just didn't have the ball in my hands. Like I could run off the screens like Steph. So I'll run him because I know he's gonna make a mistake before I do. Like, they always gonna make mistakes. He's gonna try to do a shortcut, and I'm gonna capitalize off that every single time. So once I get a rhythm off running him off screens, now I can get the ball, and then I got my rhythm to do whatever I want. So now it's like I'm mixing it up. And he can't really just go Hong in on one thing that I'm doing. Keep them all bound, you know?

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something, man. You talking about Steph Curry. The original Steph Curry was Reggie Miller. I believe they invented them picks for Reggie Miller. He would turn around three, play them big guys.

[Matt Barnes]

Davis voice Rich Smith.

[Fat Joe]

What? Rich Smith. Bong, bing, bong, bong. Before you know it, he was dead alone, just hitting that shit squish. Reggie Miller was a motherfucker. And I got some real Real legendary players who say he wasn't.

[Matt Barnes]

Ooh, ooh, I need names.

[Fat Joe]

I can't tell you. I can't tell you. But what I could tell you is legendary players of all time was like, y' all made them famous. When he did the shit to y' all in New York, that's what made him in the hall of Fame. Other than that, how you see what he. I just told you, he's incredible.

[Matt Barnes]

No, I'm saying he went head to head with Mike. Like, he had some battles with Mike. Did he not. Did he not listen? I'm not saying he's, you know, outside Mike, but did he hold his own against Mike?

[Fat Joe]

What I gonna say is Reggie Miller left the league three years before he should have. He was still dropping 20 points a night. He was still in great condition. He was still in great shape. I believe he's a Hall of Famer. I don't know.

[Matt Barnes]

He's a Hall of Famer. He's a Hall of Famer.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah. But I believe Fat Joe, his opinion on sports. I think Reggie Miller is one of the greatest of all time.

[Matt Barnes]

He is. I don't know who's saying differently.

[Fat Joe]

They said the Knick shit is the only reason why the man caught the hall of Fame. Because of that 13 spike. Still. I still. I can't look at spikes.

[Matt Barnes]

Nonsense.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, every game I look at Spike on the. And I see this.

[Matt Barnes]

I said, oh, you see what he did? You see your man did that six

[Fat Joe]

times, Mike, Game winner.

[Matt Barnes]

Come on, bro.

[Fat Joe]

You see what your man was doing to us? Halliburton? He beat us. And he was doing the choke, too, for Indiana. That bell. Fuck, yeah. Come on.

[Matt Barnes]

Indiana went crazy on you.

[Fat Joe]

We needed like a fucking Ronald Test in the game that day to smack him or some shit and get thrown out or something. The guy was doing this.

[Matt Barnes]

But you know what I love about it, though? Last year, violation, your Knicks, they brought y' all back, though, like that. The fandom and the celebrity and every.

[Jada]

The energy. Too much stuff to bridge too early.

[Matt Barnes]

It was crazy like that. We need that back in the Garden.

[Fat Joe]

They made this guy go get the sweater.

[Matt Barnes]

Hey, man, Last year. Last year for the Knicks was amazing to watch.

[Fat Joe]

When they put the sweater on.

[Matt Barnes]

See all the old timers come back to see y' all in there.

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[Fat Joe]

Oh, no.

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[Fat Joe]

So you think Tibbs was supposed to get.

[Matt Barnes]

No, Tibbs should still be coaching. I like Mike Brown like him. But Tibbs. Tibbs is built for New York Knicks culture, like leading that team. Everything about him, bro. Like strong personality, holding guys accountable. Like the toughness.

[Jada]

His hand used to be like this.

[Matt Barnes]

The toughness.

[Jada]

Jalen.

[Fat Joe]

A Mike Brown and coach, I got respect for you. I got love for you. I know somebody gonna tell you about this sneakers. His sneakers is foul. He got like converts on or some shit. The thin shit like that. The other day. No, the other day I'm at the game.

[Matt Barnes]

You checking Coach sneakers.

[Fat Joe]

Listen, Coach sneakers. Pot team. Pot, Coach sneakers. Pot team. Pop. If a come up in there with the espadrilles, God forbid he wear the loafers. He come up in there with them shits like. Yo, stop, all right? Trust me, okay? The sneakers got something to do with the whole.

[Matt Barnes]

There'll be some good coaching shoes, bro. The loafers.

[Fat Joe]

But listen to what the man did. No, no. Y' all want to get me thrown out of Madison Square Garden. Lifetime guarantee. Mike Brown, we gotta make. They got. They New Balance throw this motherfucker stadium. They gonna have this on TV like a handcuff. Like, yo, get this nigga out in the building. Yo, yo, listen.

[Matt Barnes]

The New Balance gotta make the loafers the new coaching shoe. It's a coaching shoe. Looks good. Just look at them joints, man. Put the penny in there or put the piece in the.

[Fat Joe]

You already got some horrible sneakers. But let me tell you something.

[Jada]

I would let my landscape. I would let my pool cleaner. We.

[Fat Joe]

Hey, got the Eagle dollars on, dog.

[Matt Barnes]

Can we please show them on camera? Can we please take one off? Take one off. Come on, dog.

[Fat Joe]

Put that.

[Matt Barnes]

Put that nickel or put the quarter right there, dog. The official coaching shoe of the NBA right here.

[Fat Joe]

I'm saying quarter right here. That shit put a quarter in your ass. Cause you played yourself. This shit here beloved. Hey, yo, them shit. Hey dog. Is in the inferno. Those right there. Well, anyway, coach got some shits a little less.

[Jada]

A little less.

[Fat Joe]

Brown got some sneakers on every game. It's a little less than those. And the other day, tell you a story. We played a whack team. Chicago trash. I'd never seen the trasher team, but the man came with some air max on. I stopped off in the middle of the. Yes, he heard me. He looked at me, said, yo. I said, keep the sneakers on, Coach. We won by 40 that game.

[Matt Barnes]

You gave us a good advice.

[Fat Joe]

He ain't got them esper drills.

[Matt Barnes]

Send him some shit, bro. What you want in the watch? Send him some.

[Fat Joe]

You know what? He lives near me. I'm gonna find out where sneakers I got to because I can't see him with them. Them thin. It look like he on a yacht. You in New York City Skippies, man.

[Jada]

He look like he's on the yacht.

[Fat Joe]

I ain't gonna lie. Them sisters new every time, though. He got a hundred pair of skippies. Whatever them shits he got on them just don't got a scuff. He got a new pair every day.

[Matt Barnes]

We gotta get you on the sideline of obl, man. You'll be. You'll bring us great energy, dog, you gotta get him kissed.

[Jada]

I'm gonna have him come. Yeah?

[Fat Joe]

What obligations at the Obligation?

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah. Got the one on one league.

[Fat Joe]

You know I can't. You know, I coached the other day. Your son was there. How much I beat him. Box. I'm 99 and 1. Like, I don't think you understand that. In the ruck, I'm 99 and 1. The other game, the other day at the Nike Jordan, was you not there, nephew. You think I didn't coach?

[Matt Barnes]

Damn. Hey, nephew, good job. Way to tell the truth.

[Jada]

It was Joe Cunt, okay?

[Fat Joe]

Let me tell you something. I'm the best coach in the world. I took a team in jail. That was the Bad News Bears. Them niggas was jail. They was bouncing the ball like this. And I kept seeing them every Saturday out there. Them niggas was getting blown out, paused. And I went out there one Saturday. I said, you stand here. You stand here and you hear. And when he goes, you give it to him. Bounce the ball to the thing. They wound up going like 8 and 0.

[Matt Barnes]

Great.

[Fat Joe]

Only reason I ain't win a chip, they. They threw me out the jail the next week was the chip. I took the Bad News Bears to a chip in jail. I cannot lose. They stopped me from coaching the NBA Celebrity All Star because I kept winning by 40 or 50. I can't lose that, coach. And by the way, I did coach that game. You know what happened that game? It was halftime. First of all, the kid was threatening me, whatever. The young boy, what's his name? Good guy. Met his whole family. Ryan. What? Why he got a white boy named like that? He Puerto Rican. But listen, it's almost like Farisi. Listen, the men go, yo, the man go talk wild shit, right? The young boy, yo, wow. Yo, you done. You washed up. This, that. I'm like, okay. I get Kareem reed, Terror Squad 2 official. He's coaching. He put the team together. This is what happened. We went at the halftime, and this is how I coached. I said, what's the score? They was like, yo, we up 12. I said, go up 30. Triple the pay. Sat back down. Dumb niggas went up 40 points. They paid the most professional basketball you ever seen in Your life. Give it the shot, clear it out, give it. They start moving that shit around like, bro, it's coaching. You gotta know how to. Where to stay at the right time. Players gotta be coachable. They were playing around, throwing it. This once I told him, go up 30, triple the pay. Them motherfuckers made the most. They played the most professional systemic basketball you've seen in your life. Here you go, clear it out. Back up, rebound like the.

[Matt Barnes]

Huh? We got Kiss cup check right here. The owner, he might have to bring you in as a coach for his OBL team.

[Fat Joe]

I don't lose one on one, though.

[Matt Barnes]

This is so my one on one league. Crack. My one on one league. I created teams with it.

[Fat Joe]

It's one on one.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, yeah. So he. So he's the owner of the New York team.

[Fat Joe]

Kiss cup check.

[Matt Barnes]

Kiss, cup check.

[Fat Joe]

You see how to shoot who you use. One on one.

[Jada]

Some qualify.

[Matt Barnes]

We had a tryout. We had a whole tryout in the,

[Fat Joe]

in the thing in New York, man.

[Matt Barnes]

I would get a guy like, May 15th, Orlando.

[Fat Joe]

One on one.

[Matt Barnes]

May 15th in Orlando. Yeah, yeah. So I. I.

[Fat Joe]

Can you invite me? Do you got a plane ticket for me? Nice hotel. What's the hotel we like in Orlando?

[Matt Barnes]

I got you, look.

[Fat Joe]

What's the nice hotel? Rich Carlton.

[Matt Barnes]

So look, we got. We got eight. We got eight teams.

[Fat Joe]

Crack, fuel, the river. This here, boy.

[Jada]

Listen to him.

[Fat Joe]

Every time I travel, he get the best hotels and I tell you, yo, Waldorf story. This, this, that. Let's go. Kiss me in the lobby, yo. Suck crap.

[Jada]

You know what I'm saying?

[Fat Joe]

That's crazy.

[Jada]

Dope. Tell them about. Tell them about the league.

[Matt Barnes]

So, yeah, man, I started this one on one league. And for me, it's, you know, because I got some ownership in the Buffalo Bills. And, you know, when you look around.

[Fat Joe]

Hold on, hold on. Say that slow for the niggas in the back. James Cook, right? James Cook's our guy for sure.

[Matt Barnes]

For sure. Rich used to culture the man, so I got some ownership in that. And then when you look around, you know, our major sports and look at ownership, it's not a lot of people that look like us, right? So, you know, with alternative sports growing and it's the thing nowadays, and one on one is becoming, you know, real prominent, not just here, but even abroad. Like, they're playing one on one in China. It's crazy over there. And I was like, yo, I want to start this league, but I want to do it differently and give ownership to folks that look like me. So I, you know, came up with the eight cities and came up with eight guys that are influential in these eight cities. So that's why I reached out to kiss, gave him that New York team, gave Lorenz Tate, my brother Lorenz Tate got the Chicago team. Tim Hardaway senior got the New York, the Miami team. And I got my boy, crossover John Walls involved. Yeah, man. So I got. I got a great guy. Yeah, man. Yeah. Yeah. And Orlando. Vince got Orlando.

[Fat Joe]

Fucking love Orlando.

[Matt Barnes]

And we just gonna build. And, you know, I got some good, good people behind me. That's. That's putting some money into this.

[Fat Joe]

There's a Puerto Rican gas station. They cook.

[Matt Barnes]

So we gotta get you a Puerto Rico team. You got some guys in Puerto Rico there, Coop. We wanna go to Puerto Rico. You got some guys there.

[Fat Joe]

You know the guy who run the Bad Bunny team.

[Matt Barnes]

Well, there you go. We'll get them involved.

[Fat Joe]

I'm sure they got one guy over there to go crazy.

[Matt Barnes]

All right, let's get him a team.

[Fat Joe]

It ain't Ryan Witherspoon that got beat. His ass lost by 40 with me. And the reason I ain't really coach, because it was light work. I'm sitting there like, really, I'm sorry to get everybody upset, you know, because everybody was with him. That's the youth. The youth was with him. Like, yo, this. The young them were sad. By halftime, everybody went home with a pasta leo and an L. Yeah, this is like, yo, take your pastela with you and get that up out of here. It was a Jordan through a Puerto Rican celebration, Puerto Rican vibes. And. And it was great. It was great. But, you know, I can't lose. I don't lose. So what. How does one on one work? Just one on one. And what game 15, game 30.

[Matt Barnes]

Game to game is nine. So you got four players on your team. And you know it's based off of how your players do against the other cities, right? How many wins they get and how many.

[Fat Joe]

So you got players or one players?

[Matt Barnes]

It's four. It's four players.

[Fat Joe]

Four players on the team. One on one?

[Matt Barnes]

Yes.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, that's. Wow, that's fire.

[Matt Barnes]

Yes. So, you know, four of your guys is not going to play the same team. So one of your guys could play a team from Chicago. One of your team, your guys could play a team from Miami like that. It's going to be crazy, man. We're doing it May 15th in Orlando. Real crazy.

[Fat Joe]

May 15th,

[Matt Barnes]

we flying all the boys in, man.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'mma do is I'm going To get the Puerto Rico team.

[Matt Barnes]

I'm telling you. I'm telling you, start a Puerto Rico team.

[Fat Joe]

You know what I'm saying?

[Matt Barnes]

So I talked to los. I was going to get LOS to the Miami team. I talked to los.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, you got a Miami team?

[Jada]

Yeah, Tim Hardaway scene.

[Fat Joe]

Oh, you listen, you know, practice up here.

[Matt Barnes]

Just bumping it, boy.

[Fat Joe]

No, I'm talking running it.

[Matt Barnes]

I ain't listening to. Listen, he running it.

[Fat Joe]

First of all, I'm gonna be honest with you. Them shoes so big, I feel like I got a gun in my face. That look like an AR15 caliber shoe is that. That look like you put the foot up in somebody ass. They in trouble big time. And Nick came up to me the other day. You seen the guy had the spikes on the. On the pants

[Jada]

at the show?

[Fat Joe]

Yo, everybody got their own swag. Nah, he gets chased by dogs, everybody. You can't be mad. If we went right now to Manhattan, there's some white girls walking by, swagged up. You know where I do it? I go to Miami. I go to Bell Harbor. It's a mall that's really, really rich. And our people watch and everybody got they swag. They could be from Texas, they could be from Memphis, they could be from State. They throw they shit on that is in their hood or whatever. They good. Now. You gotta understand, the guy came to the show and I know he swagged out in his own way. I'm not even trying to disrespect. He has some leather pants on with the spikes all over the. Who's you? Okay, Was that man? I said, my man, if you kick me with them pants right there, start laughing. Cause, yo, it's like, man, he got. He had the spikes on his. That's how I feel when I look at them shoes. They the type of your moms that hit you anywhere in the house with them shits. She'll get you long distance with them shoes like that, you know?

[Jada]

What is he doing?

[Fat Joe]

This guy's crazy. That nigga got the fucking piece. But the youth. Size 16, huh?

[Matt Barnes]

16 height.

[Fat Joe]

6 9. You the original 6 9. How do you feel to be the original 69 when this guy's out here, Rat king of the universe.

[Matt Barnes]

How is your rat king, though? Don't you gotta be from that? We talked about this. We talk about this. If you not cut from that cloth, if you ain't come from that, you ain't grow up in that.

[Fat Joe]

How you around sending people to do things? He was there telling him, shoot the place, go get this young boy.

[Matt Barnes]

That young boy. You think that young.

[Fat Joe]

So let me ask you something, because I asked twice behind the scenes. So for you, you think it's acceptable for people to snitch or rap a normal person? If it's your sister, your mother, a hard working guy, somebody robbed him. I don't have a problem with them saying, officer, I've been robbed. Supposedly gangster who built their whole empire, their whole image off of data realists ever. And they over here talking about, this guy robbed me. This guy. Did you think that's like acceptable?

[Matt Barnes]

Correct.

[Fat Joe]

I answered every question. I'm asking you a question.

[Matt Barnes]

If he didn't come from that, if he didn't come from that, he didn't grow up in that. And he got with a group of dudes that put a battery in there. So we gonna push you this way to start him. That doesn't make him that you got a machine behind you that's pushing you. You was never that. He was never that.

[Fat Joe]

I appreciate your opinion.

[Matt Barnes]

He was never that.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta hear him out. Everybody got a perspective. Everybody got their own shit. Me, I come from a town where the wrong guy walked past your building and you hear that shit like the cowboy movies. Your mom's closed the window. They don't see nothing. I don't see nothing. I don't. You ever see that comedian? He was on what's the. The Russell Simmons had Def Jam comedy. You ever seen Homeboy say I with Papi from the fourth floor? Cause he don't see nothing. He don't know nothing. He don't know nothing.

[Matt Barnes]

Oh, he was. Yeah, he was good.

[Fat Joe]

That's where I'm from. He don't know nothing. My father was not a gangster or criminal in no way. I promise you my life, my father or my mother wouldn't be testifying on no. They be like, yo, we don't see nothing, we don't know nothing. We keep that shit moving. That's how I was taught. Brought up family.

[Matt Barnes]

You.

[Fat Joe]

Everybody's not brought up like that. Yeah, obviously up in there talking about, yo, just came out of PC. It's legendary in there.

[Matt Barnes]

Is that really a thing? Nowadays though, we see what's going on around this month. Everybody telling, bro. Yeah, everybody telling, like, that's not new.

[Fat Joe]

And so what we gotta do is stay legit, guys. Cause this shit now and the camera work is horrible out here. It's cameras everywhere. Like, I honestly, honestly, honestly believe you can't get away with a crime in 2026. You just can't get away With a crime. Yo, man, let me tell you something, man. A little while ago, what's his name played some shit, and I was like, thank God. The rapping. Like, rap music is just.

[Matt Barnes]

Who's hot now? Who's putting out good music?

[Fat Joe]

I think, well, you can't let me because I'm old. So I'm gonna say the OGs, I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say French Montana and Max B. With that joint. I'm gonna pick them.

[Matt Barnes]

That's what I wanna speak on. So why is it.

[Fat Joe]

Why is it the old niggas, bro? Why do old niggas stop rapping?

[Matt Barnes]

Like, what is it with why?

[Fat Joe]

Don't get whacked, right? So historically, yeah, you wasn't T. Mac. You was Sir Tracy McGrady nighting soul when you played for the Knicks. So historically. Historically, over the years, especially before our

[Jada]

interview, I'm after you.

[Matt Barnes]

You older than me, so let me crack. You can't make a hot song right now.

[Fat Joe]

Yeah, I'm fired right now.

[Matt Barnes]

Right now. Unicorn, have you put out music? One of the last. When you post.

[Fat Joe]

I put out an album like last year, and then I got some missiles. Don't play with me, T. Mac, I play some shit for you. You be like, yo, that shit.

[Matt Barnes]

Play some shit for me.

[Fat Joe]

But what I'm saying to you is, historically, in time, the most legendary of legendaries of legends, the best of the best, they always got whack when they got older. Don't ask me why. They was offbeat. They sound like to the hip to the hop. They. They just. Yeah, they just.

[Jada]

I don't know.

[Matt Barnes]

Forty years later, though, we like, nah, times has changed. Like, y' all niggas are still hot. T. I just put out some hot. Y' all old niggas can put out hot shit, bro.

[Fat Joe]

That's.

[Matt Barnes]

We want to hear y'.

[Fat Joe]

All.

[Matt Barnes]

I want to hear you.

[Fat Joe]

I agree what I'm trying to say.

[Matt Barnes]

I can't relate to the new shit. Nah, it's not sustainable.

[Fat Joe]

I'm about the youth. I'm about everybody winning. I'm about. I feel like if a guy is successful, he ain't got to rob your moms at the gas station.

[Matt Barnes]

I love it for sure.

[Fat Joe]

I feel even though they do it, they robbing, they get successful. Now this shit out of control out here, but it's crazy because. Nah, shit out of control.

[Jada]

The whole world upside down, shit crazy out here.

[Fat Joe]

But, T. Matt, what I'm saying to you is, historically, the legends that used to flow like they was the greatest in the world. They tried to make music when they was older and they got whacked. I don't know how. Now with this era, you got Nas putting out good music, you got Jada and them putting out music. You got French, you got TI you got a couple of guys that's putting out great music, still consistent great music. And so. But that wasn't like that eras before our era.

[Jada]

I don't think they figured it out with the age bracket yet. Like hip hop's only 51 years old. So they don't know what's old. They don't know what all of that shit is still in the uproar of how they categorizing it. And if you too old to rap, if you too old and this and that and that.

[Fat Joe]

I know that TI just put one out the park. Five weeks number one for sure. I know that French Montana and them got a number one. I think if you make right now quality music and it's a smash hit, we gonna listen. It could go, yeah, that's it. I mean, it wasn't like that two, three years ago. I had a guy, I'm cool with a friend. Cause I'm one of the guys that consistently still kept putting music out no matter how old. I got videos, $250,000. I'm independent. I pay for my own shit. So work my radio, work everything. And I had a radio guy that's a boss of bosses, who's my man for 30 years. Sit me down and say, we are not playing old n music no matter what. I don't care if radio. I don't care if Jay Z comes out with something. I don't care if Nas comes out with something. I don't care if Mary J. Blige comes out with something. We are not playing it, even if it sound like a hit. Joe, save your money. Don't. Because you know to get radio, you got to hire a team that. A couple of hundred thousand.

[Jada]

What?

[Fat Joe]

My man.

[Matt Barnes]

Hold on, hold on.

[Fat Joe]

Don't you think free to get a

[Matt Barnes]

song on a

[Fat Joe]

team to work out? You got the chiropractor, you got the shooter, you got the dis. You got that. This is to make music fly. You gotta pay somebody who works the record. Because there's a million records come out every week. Hold on, hold on.

[Matt Barnes]

So if I. If I. If I want to put out some music and I want my.

[Fat Joe]

You are definitely not getting the plates, man. Maybe, maybe stack. Maybe my stack. Jack a plate and Bat Barnes and them.

[Matt Barnes]

I'm not talking about

[Jada]

so if I

[Matt Barnes]

want to put out, if somebody wanted to put out some music they want, they shit on Hot 97, you got

[Jada]

a higher team you gotta hire?

[Fat Joe]

Of course.

[Jada]

What is the deal? You can't get it on Hot 97?

[Matt Barnes]

What's the bill?

[Jada]

Don't you know?

[Fat Joe]

It's a couple of hundred bucks.

[Jada]

The whole world got hot 97.

[Matt Barnes]

So that's just one station.

[Jada]

Yeah, right.

[Matt Barnes]

So that's what. That's what I'm getting at this one station. What am I putting in to get my shit played on this one station?

[Jada]

They got stations that's connected to 50 stations. Or I mean, it's a whole.

[Matt Barnes]

So you paying to get your distributed.

[Fat Joe]

So all of that, you need to

[Jada]

get it every day.

[Fat Joe]

The point is, you need to spinning

[Jada]

on all of them stations to get to become another.

[Matt Barnes]

What's my ticket?

[Fat Joe]

Let me explain. A couple of. Couple of. Couple of hundred thousand. Let me explain something.

[Jada]

300.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, T, Mac, listen, what I'm saying. There's one million hip hop records that come out every week. One million every day now. One million, right? The radio got 12 to 16 songs that they play on rotation that you hear it all day. You gotta hire a team to get your record, you know, to keep talking to the radio. Yo, could you play Jadakiss this week? Could you play Fat Joe? Give us a little something, see if it blows. You gotta hire a team to do that. But in any case, my man is the boss of all bosses of all radio. Look me in the face and said, listen, your old nigga music. I said, what do you mean? If Mary J. Blige come out with a hit, we're not playing it. If Jay Z comes out with a hit, we're not playing it. If Nas come, they just letting me know that Fat Jones expendable. He don't even want to tell me me. He's like, yo, their shit come out, we're not playing it. So be clear, Joe, you're wasting your money. Why? Because they got an age limit. Whoever the radio status, they keep trying to look at a younger audience.

[Jada]

They did all that, and I bite them in the ass. Cause young people don't listen to the radio.

[Fat Joe]

I know they don't. Young kids stream. So that's what I was trying to explain. It takes an old nigga to get in the car right now in New York, you go now and you play the radio. You old. That's like smoking a cigarette in front of the building, yo. Just smoking Analytic now. This is like, got the. The vape. You Smoking the cigarette now. He's smoking with fluidity now.

[Matt Barnes]

Hit it.

[Fat Joe]

And they keep it moving. You listen to the radio, You're a dinosaur. My daughter ain't listening. His son ain't listening to this radio. But they want them so they like, yo, we gotta play all the young, this, that. Now if it's a young cat, they got fluidity. Who got some hot out. I mean, I want to hear it on the radio, too. I'm not gatekeeping. I'm not telling you that. We. We gonna fight.

[Jada]

Music is good music. It shouldn't be.

[Fat Joe]

Like some people get mad that we got a podcast now. I don't look at it no different than you. I don't look at it no different than Chuck and Shaq and them. They played the game.

[Jada]

Joe and jadashow.com, we got new merch, fresh off the presses. Go get it. Bam. Out of Bing bomb. Go. And jadishow.com, you can get. Get these little cold for T shirt. Where the hoodies at?

[Fat Joe]

Extra large [e-mail]. go there, get it.

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[Fat Joe]

Oh, no.

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[Jada]

Tell us about the cousins podcast with you and Vince.

[Fat Joe]

I want to hear from y'. All.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, so we, man, you know, cuz and I, we. We talk on the phone often. You know what I mean?

[Jada]

Are y' all the first cousin? It had to be other cousins in the NBA, but I. I don't know. Y' all might be the nice.

[Fat Joe]

Not two superstars.

[Jada]

Yeah, no, I don't think there's no other cousin.

[Fat Joe]

Give me a diet Pepsi, please.

[Jada]

Nobody's equivalent to you and Vince that were cousins in there.

[Matt Barnes]

Not that I could think of, but we have. No. We have some cousins that are pretty good. Shay and his cous cousin.

[Jada]

Oh, shit, yeah, the Alexander's. Yeah, they got you.

[Fat Joe]

They not Vince Carter and Tracy McGrady. I'm sorry, but no.

[Matt Barnes]

So we. We talk on the phone, man, often. Hour, two hours. About family, about life, about the game. And the opportunity came up, you know, for the podcast. I mean, we. You Know, we watch all the podcasts that are out here.

[Fat Joe]

You know, we. The biggest in the.

[Matt Barnes]

You know, when the opportunity came, I didn't want to do it. But then when we started talking about numbers, that really, that, that, that caught my attention.

[Fat Joe]

How do you, how do you analyze numbers? Like what, what. How do you see your podcast turning into money?

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Monetized.

[Matt Barnes]

Well, I mean, that's obviously sponsorships. The more sponsors you get, the more money you're gonna start making. But I think for us, you know, you see a lot of, you know, bullshit out here on the podcast. Motherfuckers trying to create stories and narratives and. And poking and, you know, trying to grab your attention on some non authentic shit. But that's not what we want to do. Everything we want to put out is just. Is real and authentic and, you know, be relatable and not just trying to create a firestorm on social media. That's not my thing. I'm cool on that, so. And that shit is not sustainable. You know, you're just creating and trying to make up some shit. Then you get caught in your bullshit. Right? So it was just. It was just about, man, really, with all the shit that I got lined up with my one on one league with abcd, the camp that I got coming out with NBC. So it was just, you know, it was only right that I started it with him. No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

Perfect.

[Jada]

How's the new broadcasting gig with Vince and Melo and them guys over there? How's that going?

[Matt Barnes]

Dope. Dope. Hall of fame class, you know, Mel Maria Cuzzo, you know, for them.

[Fat Joe]

Who's the girl? They got a girl there.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, Maria Taylor. They put a good team together, you know. Mel, Mel coming? He's staying mellow, doing his thing. Very articulate, funny. Pro Knicks.

[Fat Joe]

That's on what?

[Matt Barnes]

NBC.

[Jada]

NBC?

[Matt Barnes]

NBC.

[Fat Joe]

Cause then we got guys over there at prom, they getting busy too.

[Jada]

Dirt.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, sure. For sure.

[Fat Joe]

That's cool too. I love seeing all of y'.

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[Fat Joe]

I like, I like seeing D. Wade's on NBC.

[Matt Barnes]

Just, they gotta. They got the. The new, you know, analysts that are spread out different, you know, companies are doing a great job of pushing the game forward. You know, before they was talking about how the old was just, you know, shitting on the players. I think, you know, the new regime is doing a great job. Really uplifting.

[Fat Joe]

No, I want to be the Knicks analyst.

[Matt Barnes]

I applied, man, you come on NBC. We right, we 40 minutes. Listen, we in Stanford. Listen, we in Stanford, Connecticut.

[Fat Joe]

Stanford, Connecticut.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

I want a job and Stephen A. Smith was sitting right there. He said, you ain't never getting a job, Joe. He said, by the time you explain your story, the whole game will be over, Joe. Motherfuckers try to steal. I forget who told me, yo, you should have told that go himself. You could do whatever. Somebody told me, somebody told. Some of my analyst told me you should tell him go himself. You could do whatever you want.

[Matt Barnes]

You gotta be. You gotta be quick. You gotta be quick on tv, you gotta be quick.

[Fat Joe]

You gotta be quick. That's what you say. Like, Joe, by the time you start the. Hey, I knew him in kindergarten together.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah. No, you can't.

[Fat Joe]

You can't.

[Matt Barnes]

Your stories got to be clipped.

[Fat Joe]

You won't even have enough flags to show you like. Cause they moving. They moving. They playing the game.

[Matt Barnes]

They play by. Play like the in game. Play by. Nah, I ain't working.

[Jada]

That's what he didn't tell you. He was. He told Stephen A. He won Walt Clyde Frazier's job. Nah, look, see.

[Matt Barnes]

Nah, you don't want that. Yo, you'll still be on your story. Them motherfuckers don't want 10 trips up the. Yo, yo, you ain't said a play yet.

[Fat Joe]

Flag on the plate. You gotta give me a shot. Fishing edition. Listen, I come from nothing. I think I could adjust after one game, after one week, I'll be like, You know, I'll be going, no, dang.

[Matt Barnes]

Nah, that ain't it. Yo, so I had some crazy moments in my career. We talked about one. What is like, give me one of your. Like, give me your. One of your best verses.

[Fat Joe]

You spit. I'm gonna tell you his best moment in hip hop history.

[Matt Barnes]

Oh, I already know what his. I'm talking to you.

[Fat Joe]

What was it?

[Matt Barnes]

Shit. When he the versus joint versus yo, the versus joint.

[Fat Joe]

He took a shot at me.

[Matt Barnes]

Yo the versus joint.

[Fat Joe]

He said, yo, them guys fake New York guys live in Miami. I'm like, when he. I'm looking like Miami. I had the coach Brown sneaker on. Look like I came off the yacht, got hoodies on.

[Matt Barnes]

He was talking.

[Fat Joe]

Who shies? I'm up in there looking like Hermes. I'm like, you guys fake New Yorkers living in Miami. Say, come to my block.

[Matt Barnes]

When you say, kids, I'm outside. No, that was. That. That was fire.

[Fat Joe]

That was like fire. 81. But you a guy, Joe.

[Matt Barnes]

How you take my question?

[Fat Joe]

Could have hit 81. I believe in the versus. I your scoring champion. I asked you a question. Nobody thought that you was gonna have a problem, Joe. My Best verse I could give you, big brother. I'mma tell you right now, my best verse of all time was with Big L, the Enemy. Enough's enough. Federals try to set me up, put me in cuffs and crush what I lust into dust. Plus they want a nigga soul. But they know Big Joey Crack can never rat a cat that he know for sure that before the sauna, now that one, Big L's my little brother digging in the craze. And he threatened me. We had DND studio where Primo did the beat. And he was like, yo, I'm take all your fans. He made me write the shit in front of him. And he was like, yo, I'm going. And so I take the most pride in that versus. But I think my biggest moment ever, that I ever felt like a fake versus. Cause he had the world in his hand was Lean Back at Summer Jam. That shit was only out two days, right? And Hot 97 fronted on me performing there. Hot 97, the actual structure, home of hip hop, said, nah, you can't perform. I understand. It was only two days old. Little John. That's why I said, it took a brother in the remix. It took a down south brother to bring your boy out. Little John said, I want you to do that new song, Two Days. My lifestyle was like that in the hood, too. Two days. And then at 70,000, started leaning back. And that's how we knew that's him.

[Matt Barnes]

We got him.

[Fat Joe]

Something in my life. Kanye west was performing that day. I seen him in the back. He. Somebody must have told him he gonna do the Lean Back.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

He was peeking out the back, like. And them niggas went Crip. Two days. The whole stadium was like. We actually did it, I think twice in a row. And it was just. That was my moment where I was like. And I needed it. Yeah. You know, all my hits came at a time where, you know, I really needed that hit, you know, financially. Yeah.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Y' all look at my man with the spoons on, man.

[Matt Barnes]

Talk to me.

[Fat Joe]

Brian Witherspoons on.

[Jada]

Yeah, I don't really.

[Matt Barnes]

You got too many, I think, just different meaning, different feelings, different emotions. It gotta be.

[Jada]

It will probably be one with X

[Matt Barnes]

or one with Big.

[Jada]

You know what I mean? Because those are the days you was able to be in the studio with them and make this song.

[Matt Barnes]

That's that competition. Yeah. It makes you stay.

[Jada]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Back in the day.

[Matt Barnes]

Step your game up so you're actually in the studio with these dudes.

[Fat Joe]

John blazed and all that. All that. They Was there. Nas was there. Raekwon's there. He's there. Everybody's there. Back in the day, it wasn't. No. I think that's Separate Fire, Mic a little closer.

[Jada]

I think that's what separates the music of today. You not. You can be in Egypt and somebody send you the files or the stems. That could never compare to being in the same room.

[Fat Joe]

You have, like, everybody got little input, right? So everybody's there working together. It's gonna come out better. And I believe in great minds, for sure, more than one. And so, you know, at that time, it was a great time for hip hop, where everybody was working with each other. Another thing for me is I, you know, this guy. I don't know, you know, Jay Z, Big Pun, Jadakiss, Eminem, they were just gonna be rappers. There's just no way around. He was born, you know, Some people were fucking carpenters, some people were bakers, something. They just born with that shit. Me, I weaseled my way in as a street hustler and said, this is the way out. I'm gonna talk some real shit and work on my shit to get better. Yeah, right. So when I finally put, like, a number one out the park, I couldn't believe it. I was on my knees praying to God like, yo, what the fuck? This is like, number one.

[Matt Barnes]

What was the first one?

[Fat Joe]

Fuck outta here.

[Matt Barnes]

What was the first one?

[Fat Joe]

What's love? Irv Gotti, rest in peace, called me. I was in Houston, Texas. I was at a Marriott marquee, and he woke me up and he just was like, it's platinum. It's number one. And I was just like. And I went on my knees immediately and started praying to God because I couldn't believe. Wow. Fat Joey from Forest Projects got a number one. Everybody singing this shit everywhere. That shit was unreal. And every time I did it, every time I had a number one, a number two, or a top 10 record, I couldn't believe it. I never could believe it. I was just like, yo, this is crazy. We put one out again. We give it. It's just really nothing like that. It's like you at a dunk contest or some shit. I don't know how to explain it. Here we got, like. Here we don't. Well, here, I'm from the hood.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah.

[Fat Joe]

Miami. I'm bougie. You know what I'm saying? So here we don't have malls. We got like, four. Tomorrow we got 125th. We get. Bro, it's nothing like standing out there and you Hear every single car bumping your shit, bumping your shit. And they used to do it.

[Matt Barnes]

No doubt.

[Fat Joe]

I'm not gonna lie. Those are big moments to me when I would be like, if I dropped the album and I went to 125th and every car was driving by bumping that shit. You ever did that?

[Matt Barnes]

Nah, that's like me, man.

[Fat Joe]

You never did that.

[Matt Barnes]

Going around, going to other countries?

[Jada]

Everybody did that.

[Fat Joe]

That.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jada]

So that was the way to see. That was the. That was before lit. Yeah. How you gonna see where your. Is that? You gotta go outside and see. They coming by,

[Matt Barnes]

Playing this.

[Fat Joe]

Yo, this is hot. That was it.

[Matt Barnes]

No, I know that feeling, man. That's. That's like. You know, the first time I saw somebody on my shoes, on my signature shoe, that was dope. And I just. That's all I used to look for, man.

[Fat Joe]

Damn.

[Matt Barnes]

They got the max on.

[Fat Joe]

That's another moment. Let me tell you what happened to me. We put out the Terror squad. Air Force, right? And I think I was in Vegas or somewhere. I had a show, man. They sent me pictures of the lines out the stores. I was looking at every customer's face. Like, sneakers are different. Like, so I'm looking at every. I'm like, yo, they fuck with us. Yo, they there for the sneaker. That's. That's different. Putting out a sneaker and his fucking lines down the block. I still got the pictures on my phone. I looked at every single person. I was like, yo, this shit is crazy. Rasha Bear House just sent me some pictures from Dubai. Dubai ain't even into sneaker culture like that. They had a line out that shit 10 minutes. They bought them shits out in Dubai. And I was looking at every single person's face. Cause what kind of love they gotta have to go spend a hundred something dollars on a pair of sneakers is different for just. Even the music. But, yeah, you know, I'll give you one thing and then we go. When Big Pun died, right? The day Big Pun died that night. Steph Marbury used to be. You know, we was family. We was with him every day. And Steph said, watch the game. And so as strong as Steph was, he was more of a finesse player. He liked. He liked to shoot. He liked to lay it up. He liked to cross you. That night, he had a fast break, and he did a windmill 360, boom. And dunked that shit. And when he landed, he pointed up to the sky. And after the game, I talked to him. He was like, that's for pun. You seen the dunk? I was like, yo, Steph, good looking man. That shit was crazy that night. He did that shit. You know, those are moments, you know what I'm saying?

[Matt Barnes]

You gotta create those moments, man. Those are the ones that last. It's all about those moments. Had some crazy moments, man.

[Fat Joe]

I'm tuning into your podcast. I don't watch a lot of podcasts. Cause we number one, so why we gonna watch number two and number three or number four? We all get money.

[Matt Barnes]

I don't give a damn. Number one, number three.

[Fat Joe]

Shout out to Stack. I fuck with Stack. Matt Barnes, I fuck with they shit. A lot of people I fuck. Shout out to my brother Nori for inspiring me to even get in the game. Stopping. Papi, we love you. And so it's a. You know, I'll just be talking my shit, threaten everybody. Just get him on up. Got rid of a whole section of dudes.

[Matt Barnes]

It's enough money.

[Fat Joe]

He told me to have. Yo, yo, your man Jadakiss really from the streets. He really loved the streets. He said, yo, Mercy. He came to me and said, mercy Joe, Mercy Joe, you going too crazy on these guys. Please let them eat, man. Stop. And I backed up.

[Jada]

I'm from that. I'm from the dirty section.

[Fat Joe]

Oh my God, the dirty. Yo, look, when you doing that with the hustable on right now. Yo, looking real rich.

[Jada]

Dirty sexes sometimes.

[Fat Joe]

See, look at this. Nah, you want.

[Matt Barnes]

Please feel me before I get out of here real quick. Feel me.

[Fat Joe]

You got a record? You got a record, T, man. Oh, Nigel Sebastian just came with a record. Oh, you got a request?

[Jada]

You want to hear film?

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, I gotta hear film before I get out of here. I gotta go do another interview.

[Fat Joe]

Wasting your time doing a podcast with somebody else. I'm telling you, there's no flow with it.

[Matt Barnes]

You want me to come over here with y'?

[Fat Joe]

All? I'm just saying, whenever you want to come up and do a podcast, everybody else trash.

[Jada]

All I want you to do is film me.

[Fat Joe]

Film me.

[Matt Barnes]

Yeah, I'mma walk out on this one.

[Fat Joe]

You play this in the locker room. Grew up very athletic, hardheaded.

[Jada]

Thought I knew everything. Wanted to do everything. I was spoiled, stubborn, only child. Only thing I do is hold it down. Light skinned girls and Nikes. Junior high school in high school, couple of semesters of college in high school, mom started ripping, talking about how she can't support a grown man. Pops used to say, but never to be much. Was like he wasn't even there. Cause we ain't agree much for whole weeks at a time puffing 111

[Matt Barnes]

I

[Jada]

found myself sleeping in late doing nothing running with the that was us wasn't open then was working for A P Jordan Next two weeks they was broke again Me and K keep having talks to letting coke again but the block is proud waiting for opening meanwhile still slowing never stop look back we still going Bob passed the demo to Mary she passed it to cousin we thought it was on but it wasn't and we can't blame nobody look at us now dogs came game nobody Double R Interscope put that cake up and we ain't go platinum but we made wake up got them all talking about pumping a brick and they only go and see Poppy to get something to sniff about the the game up for real like in the World Series that Paris shoot down on the field hey Provide you bars and the pain is invisible but you can't hide the scars and I'll never be on the level that we're on the field have dope thoughts spit around I'm good just waking up that's how I know I got one more chance to go and cash in Kick it up.

[Fat Joe]

This ain't that, that ain't.

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Oh, no.

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