Ty Dolla $ign on 'Tycoon' album, Kanye West & 'Vultures,' Lady Gaga & R&B eras

Summary

Joe and Jada Podcast: Ty Dolla $ign on 'Tycoon,' Kanye, Lady Gaga & R&B Eras

Episode Date: October 16, 2025
Hosts: Fat Joe (Joe Crack), Jadakiss
Guest: Ty Dolla $ign
Published by: iHeartPodcasts & The Volume

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Episode Overview

This episode features a candid, wide-ranging conversation with Ty Dolla $ign. The discussion spans Ty’s upcoming album Tycoon, his experience collaborating with Kanye West on Vultures, the state of R&B, artist mentorship, Lady Gaga, and personal reflections on family. Fat Joe and Jadakiss bring humor and truth as they explore Ty’s legacy, musical versatility, and views on authenticity in today’s music scene.

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Key Topics & Discussion Highlights

1. Ty Dolla $ign’s Musical Foundations & Versatility

Timestamps: 03:40 – 06:42

• Ty credits his musical upbringing to his father, a member of Lakeside, and exposure to icons like Prince and Earth, Wind & Fire.

• He highlights absorbing a wide swath of styles—R&B, rock, hip-hop—all of which inform his sound today.

• Quote (Ty):
  “I’ve been like studying all the different R&B styles, the rock styles, the hip hop styles, and all that applies to what I’m doing today.” (04:51)

• Joe and Jada praise his range, likening him to artists who could fit into legendary groups like Boyz II Men or Jodeci.

2. Tycoon: New Album and Label Boss Life

Timestamps: 06:43 – 09:14

• Tycoon marks Ty’s first solo project in nearly 4 years, offering 15 tracks and “something for everybody.”

• Ty views his album like a “restaurant menu,” with each track crafted to satisfy different musical tastes.

• Features include Kodak Black, YG, Leon Thomas (Ty’s first artist on Easy Money Records), and more.

• Quote (Ty):
  “My album’s like a restaurant, you know what I’m saying? It’s like I got something on a menu for everybody.” (06:58)

• Ty’s label, Easy Money Records, is focused on fairness and giving back:
  “I get to make sure that them same mistakes don’t happen this way…let’s clean this shit up.” (09:37)

3. Mentorship and the Artist-as-Label-Head Philosophy

Timestamps: 09:15 – 11:03

• Ty’s ethos is “don’t do others dirty just because it was done to you," challenging the old industry logic.
• He names the first five signee artists and touts the collective creative environment Easy Money fosters.
• Quote (Ty):
  “Who can help you better than the artist? We made all those mistakes, so we trying to guide you so you don’t make the mistakes.” (10:30)

4. Upcoming Documentary: Still Free TC

Timestamps: 11:09 – 12:05, 21:25 – 26:16

• A documentary, Still Free TC, chronicles Ty’s life, including family, struggles, and his brother TC’s unjust incarceration.

• Ty connects his activism and music—his debut album Free TC—to a larger fight for justice:
  “My little brother locked up for a murder that everyone in the city knows he didn’t do.” (21:30)

• Joe suggests Ty leverage his network (e.g., Kodak Black) for advocacy, underscoring the power of relationships in effecting change.

5. Creating Vultures with Kanye West

Timestamps: 11:43 – 13:24

• Ty is praised for standing by Kanye during controversial times and delivers insight into their musical chemistry:

• Quote (Ty):
  “When it come to making music, you already know what it do with him…The music is the music. Vultures went number one…A lot of people say whatever they say, but I stick to my guns. I made one of the best musical projects ever.” (12:32)

• Joe and Ty swap Kanye studio stories—Joe shares a humorous, costly “Kanye experience” with wardrobe and video shoots.

• Ty reflects on Kanye’s relentless pursuit of perfection in the studio.

6. The Business and Grind of Modern Music

Timestamps: 18:28 – 19:33

• Ty outlines his multi-instrumentalist skills, and how modern artists must do everything: write, produce, engineer, promote.
• The trio bemoans the unsustainable expectation to self-promote and constantly hustle.

7. On Collaborating with Today’s Artists: Kodak, YG & More

Timestamps: 19:33 – 20:40

• Behind-the-scenes details: Kodak gave Ty a song originally meant for Ty’s album, resulting in better music for both.
• Ty enjoys being a “safe place” for artists, contributing to many hits across hip-hop and R&B.

8. Reflections on Fatherhood

Timestamps: 32:17 – 34:36, 39:21 – 41:03

• Ty’s pride in his daughter’s educational achievements (Pepperdine master’s at 20) echoes Joe’s similar pride.
• Both reflect on keeping their children grounded, avoiding the “industry kid” trap.
• Quote (Ty):
  “I’ve seen a lot of kids in her position with parents like us that just lean on the parents…That’s not it.” (33:28)

9. The Culture of Flex and the Dubai Club Scene

Timestamps: 34:38 – 38:17

• Joe describes the extravagance of young partygoers in Dubai, prompting laughs and commentary on “new money.”
• Ty references a 19-year-old friend balling off crypto—underscoring the new hustle culture.

10. Candid Talk on R&B Eras, The State of the Game, & Authenticity

Timestamps: 44:23 – 54:57

• Ty shares “wow” moments in collaborating, including with Mariah Carey and Leon Thomas.

• The panel debates the best R&B era (Joe: 90s, Ty: 70s), and current promising artists.

• Ty’s dream collab: Lady Gaga.

• The trio criticizes the trend of style over substance, confusing “weird” with “talented.”

• Quote (Ty):
  “I feel like [R&B] is about to do that again…It’s people that care.” (46:49)

• Shout to Kehlani and Brandy as torchbearers for quality, soulful music.

• Joe and Ty lament the “microwave era” and “one-hit” mindset, emphasizing enduring music.

11. Critique of Late-Career Rappers & Social Media Clout

Timestamps: 50:02 – 56:29

• Joe and Ty lampoon aging “street dudes” chasing rap dreams and “rappers” by label alone.

• Joe: “If you’re 42, sleeping on your girl’s couch…you, my friend, are not a rapper. Seek a job and then do this.” (54:53)

• Broader commentary on how anyone can be a “rapper” posthumously due to media mislabeling.

• They muse on what it means to be truly qualified in the age of social media DIY music.

12. Studio Relationships & HitMaker Story

Timestamps: 57:48 – 59:23

• Ty’s evolution with Hitmaker from “Eskimo brothers” (shared romantic partner) to tight musical collaborators—a sign of maturity.
• Hitmaker is a key facilitator for Ty’s accessibility and creative output.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Joe Crack on Ty’s range:
  “You could have been a member of Boyz II Men…Nobody looks at you like, yo, you know, you’re the only one that I could just mention and say, yo, he could have been in one of these legendary groups.” (03:40)

• Ty Dolla $ign on growth in music:
  “All that still applies in what I’m doing today. You could just reach back into the files and be like, oh, yeah, let’s use that sound.” (05:09)

• Ty Dolla $ign on working with Kanye:
  “I stick to my guns. I made one of the best musical projects ever. Like you said at the intro, when it come to music, you come to me.” (12:32)

• Joe's advice on advocacy:
  “You need to get next to somebody who knows Donald Trump…Kodak Black knows who the fuck to talk to.” (22:43)

• Ty Dolla $ign on authenticity:
  “Stick to you. You know, what the fuck you doing? You don’t need to try nothing else…all live music, live drums, live bass, live guitar, live streams, live everything.” (45:34)

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• Intro & Guest Arrival: 02:12 – 03:35
• Ty’s Musical Upbringing: 03:40 – 05:26
• On Being a Label Boss & Tycoon Album: 06:43 – 09:14
• Documentary & Free TC Discussion: 11:09 – 12:05, 21:25 – 26:16
• Kanye West & Vultures Collaboration: 11:43 – 13:24
• Industry Mishaps & Artist Empowerment: 13:58 – 19:33
• Fatherhood Reflections: 32:17 – 34:36
• Dubai & Flex Culture: 34:38 – 38:17
• R&B Eras, Lady Gaga, and State of Music: 44:23 – 49:08
• Clout Chasing & Late-Career Rappers: 50:14 – 56:29
• Ty & Hitmaker Relationship: 57:48 – 59:23

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Tone and Style

Warm, humorous, occasionally raw and unfiltered, the episode keeps the vibe celebratory and filled with behind-the-scenes knowledge and advice for aspiring artists.

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Conclusion

Ty Dolla $ign gives listeners a deep dive into his creative mind, his plans for artistic legacy, and his take on culture and authenticity in modern music. Joe and Jada, blending respect and comedy, make this a must-listen for music lovers looking for substance, nostalgia, and game from the masters.

Memorable Toast:
“Let’s make some noise for our brother Todd Dollar Sign!” (57:17)

Transcript

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[Joe Crack]

You know, I'm a little bit off the weird shit now, you know what I'm saying? Little artists acting with like and all that shit. All of that shit.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Can you give us an example?

[Joe Crack]

What is that? Yeah, what up y'?

[Ryan Seacrest]

All?

[Joe Crack]

This is Joe Crack.

[Jada Kiss]

It's your boy Jada Kiss. You know what it is? The Joe and Jada Show. Every show legendary, every show iconic. And we keep our word to you with just that. Today you gotta give it up for our guests. He's the hook master. He's the song master. He could talk your lady out of drawers if you let him.

[Joe Crack]

He can give you.

[Jada Kiss]

He can bring you back if you searching for it. If you need some help, just getting help getting your career off the ground or back off the ground or whatever you need musically, he's the go to guy. Ladies and gentlemen, make some noise for our brother Todd. Dollar Sign.

[Joe Crack]

How you intro? I love that.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I love that.

[Joe Crack]

That's actually the best intro so far.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I definitely might use that on the album saluting you.

[Joe Crack]

Yo, let me tell you something. That was a hell of a fucking intro right there.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Like, it was all facts as well.

[Joe Crack]

Sometimes he leaves off a little. It's all facts till y time. Sometimes he, you know, he tries to go too humble. I'm like, yo, bro, we just had Hit boy there. Alchemist in my world. That's like fucking Beethoven and Mozart there. I'm like, yo, hold up. Let's just call him Beethoven and Mozart because these guys. But we have Todd Dolla Sign, who could have been a member of Boyz II Ben. Could have been, could have been a member of Guy, could have been a member of Jodeci. I think you're the only artist because believe it or not, you've been in the game in a while, but you're still the relevant youth artist. Nobody looks at you like, yo, you know, you're the only one that I could just mention and say, yo, he could have been in one of these legendary groups. What's that like? Did you come up listening to these guys?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, I definitely came up listening to them guys. And even further back, my pops was in the group Lakeside, so fantastic voice. Exactly, exactly. So from there and even before that.

[Joe Crack]

Slipping side, your father was in that group.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, that's it.

[Jada Kiss]

That's it.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

So I've been like studying all the different R and B styles, the rock styles, the hip hop styles, and all that applies to what I'm doing today.

[Jada Kiss]

When you was young, you was able to meet Prince, Earth, Wind and Fire.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Jada Kiss]

What did that spark? What did that do for your musical DNA?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I mean, it put me onto the greatest music possible. You know what I mean? So like I said, all that still applies in what I'm doing today. You know what I'm saying? You could just reach back into the files and be like, oh, yeah, let's use that sound or let's use that. That riff or whatever the case. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Crack]

You want to know what's crazy is, you know, I'm tight with Cool and Dre, and I remember, you know, Dre makes hooks. And one day, Dre made a hook that nobody could sing. He did the Brown Paper Bag. And we try to get every top singer in the universe at the time. For Khaled, nobody could. Nobody could have hit.

[Jada Kiss]

Oh. Dre didn't want to stay on anyone. It was.

[Joe Crack]

No, it was like a reference. But we used whoever was the hottest guys at the time. It was callous single. We was trying to get them on there, and they couldn't hit that note. Pause, right. I feel like you. There's nothing you can't do. Like you could. Like nobody could give you a reference that you can't do that.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Crack]

That's crazy, because some people be like, yo, I can't.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

No, for sure, for sure. Like I said, if it wasn't for Pops, for real, man. And all that, putting me on to all that old stuff. It's like I always tried to mimic every single thing starting back from what you said. Prince, Earth, Wind and Fire. That's some very high notes, you know what I'm saying? I may not be able to get way up there, but I'll figure it out.

[Joe Crack]

You get it?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I'll turn my voice into a chipmunk if I have to.

[Joe Crack]

That's really crazy.

[Jada Kiss]

The first solo project in nearly four years. Tycoon.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Jada Kiss]

What made you want to pull the trigger right now? What? Told you, I've been.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I'm always doing music. I was gonna put out a solo project before I started the Vultures era, you know what I'm saying? And now it's time for the solo project. So Tycoon 1017. There's 15 tracks on there. If you buy the album, then you get two extra bonus tracks. Banger after banger after banger is something for everybody, man. I look at my shit, my album's like a restaurant, you know what I'm saying? It's like I got something on a menu for everybody. Exactly.

[Joe Crack]

You gotta have every restaurant I go to. I'm like, yo, what's the Big Mac?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Right?

[Joe Crack]

You know what I'm saying? Like, you go to McDonald's, you need the Big. The Big Mac. Been the Big Mac. Been paying the rent for a long time. You go to Burger King, it's a Whopper, right? Something pays the bills. All the time. So I go to a restaurant. I said, listen, man, it's my first time here.

[Jada Kiss]

What's your big.

[Joe Crack]

I need the Big Mac. What's the best shit that everybody. Somebody is coming in there every night. They want that fish. They want that. It's always something.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

You know, he's saying he got 15 Big Macs on that album and two free if you purchase Yambo, Right? Yeah.

[Jada Kiss]

Now, look, we got features. Some mean ones. Kodak Black, yg. Him and YG always make fire joints.

[Joe Crack]

Queo.

[Jada Kiss]

Leon Thomas. That's. Take your time. That's him.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Okay. Yeah. Leon Thomas also signed on my label.

[Jada Kiss]

Oh, word.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

He was our first artist. We signed to Easy Money Records. Shout out to my brother Sean.

[Jada Kiss]

A lot of fucking for the money over there, dog.

[Joe Crack]

Make your time. Don't start bragging about no money. Jada get real mad.

[Jada Kiss]

He getting a lot of money over there.

[Joe Crack]

Let him start bragging about money. Be like, yo, man, y' all getting too much money.

[Jada Kiss]

He's the first artist on your link.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

He was the first artist on the label.

[Joe Crack]

What's the song? What's the song again?

[Jada Kiss]

Mutt the shit.

[Joe Crack]

You hear.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Number one.

[Joe Crack]

Ah, that's that.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Number one. Rhythmic, number one. All type of other. He got a new record that just reached number 11 on Hot 100. So we moving, man. Shout out to the other four artists that we just signed.

[Joe Crack]

Who's the other four artists? Let's give them a shout out.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

You got RJ the weirdo. You got Keith Turner. You got Busy Crook Major, and you got Sage from Texas. Man, everybody on the label is crazy.

[Jada Kiss]

For sure.

[Joe Crack]

I know you know so much. You know music so much. And with them being talented, y' all just sitting together, plotting on music. It's gonna be incredible.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Crack]

You know, Jada, what area you in? Cause you know, I jump all over the place.

[Jada Kiss]

No, I was supposed to ask him, how is it having your own label? Like, what's the. How do you like it so far?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I like it. Cause I basically get to bless back and everything that happened to us as artists when we saw mistakes. I get to make sure that them same mistakes don't happen this way. Ways that I felt like we should have been getting paid and somebody was fucking us over. I ain't gonna do that to the next people. Like, certain people will be like, oh, this happened to me. So that's what you supposed to do.

[Jada Kiss]

Yeah.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

But I'm like, nah, man. Like, let's clean this shit up. No.

[Jada Kiss]

That's how Rat became a Thing? Yeah, somebody ratted. They said somebody ratted on me. Then it turned into an epidemic.

[Joe Crack]

Turned into an epidemic?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

How we just get on the rats that fast?

[Joe Crack]

Nah, we just. Nah. But what he's trying to say is, that's my vision. But, you know, people always used to say artists shouldn't sign the artist. My vision was always, we got fucked. Yeah.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Crack]

Who can help you better than the artist? We made all those mistakes, so we trying to guide you so you don't make the mistakes. Yeah, I mean, I'm all in with that.

[Jada Kiss]

Easy Money is the name of the label. Huh?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Easy Money the name of the label. Le Bon Arjon, the name of the champagne that mean good money.

[Joe Crack]

Lebanon.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Ty Dollar Sign Tie.

[Joe Crack]

Dollar Sign.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

He is the money to the champagne. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Crack]

This shit sound like it's from France and all that.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

It is. It can't be champagne if it ain't from.

[Jada Kiss]

We think it was Missionary LeBron.

[Joe Crack]

All right, all right, J.D. you got me. You got it. I mean, you know, it is what it is.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

We got the documentary coming soon. It's called Still Free. Tc? Yeah, sure. You get to see the whole lifespan of TY$sign, from the beginning until now. The ups and downs. I mean, people only get to see the good shit. But it's this time, you get to see the family. You get to see everything I went through coming up, growing up in South Central and making it to the levels that we at now. And even there's, you know, still struggle now, you know what I'm saying? That you gotta go through to get to the next level. Cause it's always the level I'm trying to reach. I ain't comfortable.

[Joe Crack]

You know, the elephant in the room is, what's it like doing a project with Kanye West?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

In the middle. Cause I feel like you stood tall with him when people ain't want to stand next to him at the time.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

And you was in Crazy Kanye, Trent. Like, you was in that. In there.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Like at the ships of the what? In the trips, in the flames of the flames. What's it? What made you say, yo, I'm a stand with this, man? We gonna make music. Cause we know how that shit be. When somebody be into some hot shit, everybody run away.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

What made you say, nah, this is the time I'm gonna hold my man down and I'm gonna make music with him. And what is that whole shit? That whole time, when it come to.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Making music, you already know what it do with him. You know What I'm saying, like, just from the track record. And then y' all see what happened with us. The music is the music. Vogels went number one, you know what I'm saying? So it was success. A lot of people say whatever they say, but I stick to my guns. I made one of the best musical projects ever. Like you said at the intro, when you want. When it come to music, you come to me. You know what I'm saying? And I did that over there. You know what I mean? All the bullshit. Six, seven. You know what I'm saying? It's not even worth talking about.

[Joe Crack]

He hit you with the six, seven. You know this shit. Yeah, but what I'm trying to say is, you know, when I recorded. I recorded one song with Kanye. He made me do my verse with 400 people on the hook. But you and Ed, you blessed me on that hook, man. If it ain't about the money, I.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Don'T really care what you said. 400 people on the hook.

[Jada Kiss]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Cause we did a joint Friday joint.

[Jada Kiss]

It was like 50 people on the hook.

[Joe Crack]

Was it 50? It was you, buster. Most Def was Mad People. Mad people?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

What, before it came out or no.

[Joe Crack]

He made the hook. Yeah.

[Jada Kiss]

He had some genius idea that he heard different vocals, and he made mad.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

People say, it came out hard or.

[Joe Crack]

No, came out great. But it was already a hit, right? So it was like, I'm coming right off of the Chris Brown another round.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

You know, when you on fire, you got that extra that your ears like. Okay. So we had a joint that we did with Bink and Rico Love. And then Kanye was like, yo, Joe, I wanna work with you now. He's one of my favorite artists of all. Sorry. He's a genius. So I said, great. He said, what you think? And you dropped it. And then I played for him. He says, I got some idea. He turned the whole song around, right? So it was like, just think another round, part two. We already had the dope hook. This, this. And he turned to hip hop. And then he was like, even if it ain't about the money, he put everybody and their mother on the hook. So it was like 10 of us, 15 of us on the hook. But the point I'm saying is I was in the studio, that shit went for me. The man made me say my. He made me say my verse maybe a hundred times in the world. Be like, colder sack, colder sack, colder sack. I'm like, look, just. Yo, you know, I'm like, yo, I got the Kanye west at the time. I might have been the only dude that ever lost with the nigga. Like, you know what I'm saying? Cause I'm thinking everything he does, wins. He's over there.

[Jada Kiss]

That was a good shoot.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, but, you know, I want the supremacy. You know what it is? And then he goes, I want supremacy. I want to be number one. You know how that shit go. And then I go to man go. He make me take. I'm independent, by the way. I've been independent for 15 years. So I pay for my videos, my samples, my songs, my everything. I pay for everything that man won. Hype William video. We shoot a Hype William video. Hype William, I swear to God, he came with a flashlight. Hype William came with, like, a regular camera. And. And I paid hundreds of thousands. And he had the flashlight on us while we was like, you talk about getting jerked in your face. Yo, you know how much money I paid for this? This you thinking, Hype Williams, you're gonna float in the air and all. That man came with the flashlight. I'm looking, then I go. And then the only thing I'm trying.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

To remember, this video.

[Joe Crack]

Oh, yeah. Prior to Joy.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

That was hard though, huh?

[Joe Crack]

We got. You better stop. You better stop. Yo, listen, yo, tie, that man made me use Hype Williams. All right? So I'm just saying I'm independent, right? It's a lot of money. But not only that, the only thing he ever charged me for was his wardrobe. I walked by the fucking his wardrobe. He got $7,000 tank tops and shit, man, I used to rob supermarkets. B. Had a problem with this shit. You hear me? Like a tank top. $7,000 I'm walking through from France.

[Jada Kiss]

Hustle, right?

[Joe Crack]

What's the hostage?

[Jada Kiss]

Yeah, that's no charge, just expenses. And the expenses is.

[Joe Crack]

Bro, I went through that wardrobe. I was walking out that twitching like, yo, who's paying for this? You are. This is the wardrobe. The separate wardrobe on a man. Boy hippie with a ham on my. I said, boom. He come over there.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

You remember what the bill was?

[Joe Crack]

It was about 49, 50,000. But the problem is this. For his wardrobe, if a man came with some Bottega he killed, he was tank tops, bro. I'm not exaggerating. Like, who the want to pay 7004 tank? I'm looking at this. I said, this unreal. It's going to be number one, Joe. Even I even lost because you know, you gotta put down a radio budget. Look, I'm a radio. Like, I go for the home run. I don't play, right? So I put down the radio budget, couple of hundred thousand out my pocket, and the shit don't work. And I doubled down on the radio. It's the only record in the world I ever paid twice for the radio, but I doubled down on the bitch. I was like, no, this shit gotta go stick with the program. I was like, no, yo, bro, I took a. I took a big L, but I was happy I got to work with him. But, you know, nobody ever made me shoot. Say the verse 100 times.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

That's crazy.

[Joe Crack]

So I know what that was like, you working with the man.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah. I never had to say a verse a hundred times, but, damn, I heard other people say the same story for sure.

[Joe Crack]

Oh, he did that.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

That's that producer shit, though, you know? It's like.

[Jada Kiss]

Till he hears what he's looking for.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, keep doing it. I'm a producer as well, though, so it's like you play every instrument, right? Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Correct.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

So your father taught you.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

The only thing I don't play is, like, brass and woodwinds and shit like that. But bass guitar, keys, drums, make the beats, write the song, produce the song, engineer the song, whatever you want to do. Damn. Promote the move.

[Joe Crack]

Promote all that doing the emotions. That's all the extra shit that's like, you know, which we creatives, we want to make the shit see it go. And then. Then they like, all right, now you gotta go promote the shit. You gotta kiss babies and fucking. Like. Nobody promoted.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

People just think it's just go in the studio, make a song, and that's it. It's way. It's way bigger than that.

[Jada Kiss]

What's up with the joint with Kodak? How. How. How was it making that?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

It was easy. Me and Kodak had another song on my album. He was like, yo, man, I really want to use this song for my album. Like, at the last fucking minute, I'm like, all right. He was like, don't trip. I got you on another one. And he sent me that. That might be better than the other one. But we gonna see his album about to drop next. He gonna have the other one on there. But yeah, man, shout out to Kodak. As soon as I did my part, I'm like, okay, this gotta be the one. Cause I didn't have YG on the album, but I was looking for one. But I'm like, all right, this perfect. Cause it feel west. It feel west side, but, you know, it's still got all the other elements and shit. So YG hopped on there and Here we are. Smile, body, pretty face. It's all right now.

[Joe Crack]

I mean, let me tell you something, brother man. You done work with some characters, man. You just. You just a safe place. They see you as a safe place. But, man, I just been a big fan, man. I love when you blessed me with the. Me and Remy with the money showers.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Oh, that's a classic right there.

[Joe Crack]

Money showers. Rain, rain, rain. Oh, lot of money showers.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Thank you for having me on that joint, too.

[Joe Crack]

What? Yeah, that shit fire right there, man. Like I said, man, you never let me down, man. You always come through, man. You're. You're. You're really great guy, man. A great, great person, man. But I want to make sure you get your flowers. I'm sure your fans know that, too, because you. You managed to stay out of controversy and all that bullshit. You know what I'm saying? It's like everybody feel like they got to be. But here on this podcast, we just celebrate, you know, we preserve the culture. You know what I mean? You know, a lot of other people like to just deal with the controversy and what's the shit to say to be fucked up or whatever the case may be? But we don't do that.

[Jada Kiss]

Yeah, the documentary, you showed it at the Tribeca Film Fest.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, I showed it. By the time the lights came on, man, you seen tears, you seen just everybody ready to Free tc. Like, what can I do? So in the documentary, it shows my whole life coming up. Some of y' all know if you're a real ty$sign fan, my first album was called Free TC. Cause my little brother locked up for a murder that everyone in the city knows he didn't do. And the witness that said he did it originally came back and said she was coerced. Nothing has happened since then. And he's just been in that situation. We all know that he's not the only one that this is happening to. It's people all over. And I used that first album to bring awareness to that situation, and we still in this situation. So I wanted to give you more of a visual than just songs so people could really fuck with it and really feel it, and maybe that would get me to who I need to get to. Cause I feel like in this life, like, what really matters is who, you know? You know what I mean? There's, like, a lot of people out here that is gonna tell you whatever, to get your money.

[Joe Crack]

I'm keep it real with you.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Crack]

Because you my brother, and you been 10,000 with me here, we don't do the politics, but you need to get next to somebody who knows Donald Trump. Yeah, you might be right next to Kodak Black. He know who to talk to. You know what I'm saying? Right there. He got reformed meek.

[Jada Kiss]

Holla at us, Robbie, Draft somebody.

[Joe Crack]

I'm telling you the truth. Like, real talk. If your brother's really innocent, you got these people right around you like Kodak Black, know who the fuck to talk to. You should ask them who you talk to. Who was your lawyer, who represented you? And that's where you go. And you are correct. It's all about who you talk. Sometimes my shit be like, brother, innocent.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Nah, that's it. That's it. I don't know why I didn't think of that. I consider myself a very smart person, but I don't know how the fuck I didn't think of that.

[Joe Crack]

So, yeah, no Kodak Black know who to talk to.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

No, that's it for sure. Definitely gonna make that happen.

[Joe Crack]

He know that. He ain't that crazy motherfucker. He crazy. He's smarting up behind that wall. He said, yo, go get Roger Wilson Thorpe. That motherfucker get me out of jail. Hell yeah. Shit. Hell yeah. That's who you gotta give.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Oh, that's it.

[Joe Crack]

I'm just telling you the truth. Free game, you know what I'm saying?

[Jada Kiss]

Free tc, man.

[Joe Crack]

Free tc. That's crazy. And the documentary, you know, like, me, I don't have people filming me and shit like that. I don't really trust nobody. So how hard is that for you to have people filming you? I purposely. I think I would have some fire content if I had a cameraman with me all day, But I'd be in y' all stepping shit a hundred times. Yeah, I'm saying I'm trying to keep them niggas away from me, bro. You know what I'm saying? But you did it in purpose of a documentary one day.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

It's just been. I've been getting film my whole life, for real. And I'm sure you have as well. And it was just like getting all that footage, you know, from the kids shit all the way till now. And then 2013, 14. I really, like, had a guy, like, following me on certain shit and put all that footage together, made a timeline, put in story form, did some narration, and now you got a documentary, you know, Got my mom in there, got my pops in there, of course. Got the calls with my brother, got the lawyers, got the whole story, you know what I mean? I still gotta come back right now and put my sister in there. Cause once I watched the whole thing, then she called like, oh, I'm not in the documentary.

[Jada Kiss]

I'm like, oh, can't leave nobody out.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Saying, you can't leave nobody out.

[Joe Crack]

Don't work that way.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, how you like it? Don't work that way. But I gotta put my sister.

[Joe Crack]

No, no, you gotta put it in there. I'm just trying to say we talk all the time. We be like, yo, you just. In life, you just can't make everybody happy.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

You can't. And she was in there too, but she just didn't get it.

[Jada Kiss]

Wasn't enough. Yeah, she got it. Yeah, she need to get it.

[Joe Crack]

Get her. I remember I went across. I did something big like an award show, and I got one of my brothers in there and just. I thought it felt like, you know, he keeping it real with his day one. His day one is there. I got the phone calls from people so mad that I had my man front row, like. Cause they wasn't there. This you don't. You know that we. I was like in some scandalous shit. But yeah, I'm like, yo, all I tried to do was show love and let you know, yo, Fat Joe might be on this level, but he ain't forget the day ones. And that turned into all the other day ones. Tight as a fuck.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Nah, that's how it goes.

[Joe Crack]

You just can't make nobody happy.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

That's how it goes. From homies to family, all that shit. It'd be crazy, bro. In this music shit.

[Jada Kiss]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

[Joe Crack]

I just want to take all my money and move to an island and change my number and leave me the fuck alone. Let me eat a mango on the beach.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I thought about doing that a couple times, bro. I heard they got a Castles and great. They got two million dollar castles and in Europe. And you could be a duke, you.

[Joe Crack]

Could be up a castle. Go mind your business, man.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Because it's like, I might get up.

[Joe Crack]

Out of here like these. You ever felt like they trying to bust your. Like I be feeling like they trying to like dead ass bust my brain open. Like with all the. That come at you and everybody's insensitive and you going through this, you going through that. They don't give a About you to make their point.

[Jada Kiss]

They don't care about us.

[Joe Crack]

They don't give a. If your high pressure, your blood pressure high. They don't. They want to crack your. You know what, yo, you know they.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Don'T really care about us.

[Joe Crack]

I'm ready to make my will and all my money go to the fucking the kids choir of Memphis, Tennessee. Some shit I never even met. They'd be like, all right, sit the whole family around and be like I always say to the animal preservation of Congo. Fat Joe left all the money. They gonna purge you.

[Jada Kiss]

They gonna go crazy.

[Joe Crack]

Oh, they gonna go crazy, man. They gonna go crazy. This gonna pick up. It's gonna be somebody to the Scandinavian kids in the Catholic school, all the money.

[Jada Kiss]

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[Jada Kiss]

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[Jada Kiss]

Your grill dad. How you like it man?

[Joe Crack]

I love it.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

When? I ain't gonna lie. When I knew I was about to have a daughter, I was scared of shit.

[Joe Crack]

Of course I was trying to figure.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Out she 20 now bro. 20 years old.

[Joe Crack]

My daughter 19.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I know you know exactly how it is.

[Joe Crack]

What?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

So look mine 20, she just started at Pepperdine University. 21 and 10 Pepperdine University to get her master's degree. So yeah, you did the math. She Already got her BA at csun. And when she graduated high school, the same week she graduated high school, she graduated from Pierce Community College as well. Cause she was already taking classes during high school the same week. Same week, bro.

[Joe Crack]

Wow.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

So she went and did the two years at csun, graduated from there a couple months back. And I started at Pepperdine to get her master's. So I'm super proud of her. And I've been talking about her every day, man. Just, like, doing what we do. And to be able to have your daughter, like, go all the way to that level and have that focus, that's a big deal.

[Jada Kiss]

Let's give her a round.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Crack]

Fucking big deal.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I've seen a lot of kids in her position with parents like us that just lean on the parents. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Crack]

I know most of the kids.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, most of them. And that's like. That's not it. That's not it. Yeah, nigga. Y' all hear us.

[Joe Crack]

Them motherfuckers, they lean. I had an argument with my son. He's way more mature now. He graduated college, too, thank God. But I remember he showed me one day, he said, dad, you know who this is? And I look, I really didn't know it was a kid Walking on the G4 was Dr. Dre, son. He was like, this is our real boss's sons are moving. I said, man, if you don't get the fuck up out my face, nigga, we are not Dr. Dre. You are Fat Joe on a Fat Joe salary, motherfucker. Get. Get out of here. Like, yo, like, they could, man. Even now. So even now I'm. I'm a little older. So when they book me for after party or something, the crowd in the club, you're my man. I'm a flyest oldie that you ever seen in your life. I don't ever do that to you. So I'm redefining the spectrum of fly shit.

[Jada Kiss]

Lloyds in London.

[Joe Crack]

Don't get this shit fucked up. I know what I'm doing to him. I'm putting belt to that ass. The youth, they didn't be like, damn. Oh, gee. Anyway, sometimes I do the after party or whatever, and it's mad young kids. Mad young kids.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

19, 20, 21, this and that, and they jumping on the couch 100 bottles. They just spending their parents money, right? There's just no way they earned that money popping a hundred bottles. Yo, bro, I was in Dubai like, two, three weeks in a row. Shit, you Know, I see.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, I see you out there for sure. Shout out to my dog, money kicks.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, yeah. Salaam alaikum, my brother. Bismarada.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Bismillah.

[Joe Crack]

Bismillah. Bismillah Ali Kishani. I am Ali Kishani. You know, out there, I got a whole nother name. I'm Ali Kishani.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Oh, fire.

[Joe Crack]

You know, I go to the mall, I drink me a little cup of. You know, I don't really drink, so I drink a cup of coffee and cipriani. And I just. People watch.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

And I tell a lot of jokes in my head. I don't tell the people. But anyway, yeah, I'm performing. I'm performing. They put you upstairs and you look down and the type of shit they. The. Yo, bro, yo. They popping so many bottles is just not. There's no way they could drink it.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Even if you got a group of 10 guys, 10 girls, 200 bottles of Cristal laces, Spade this the is. And I'm looking over the thing. Cause you know, I like to ball, but I'm like, dude, I'm, you know. Pause, pause. No, no, I like, you know, I spend money. This is my problem. I have a problem. I spend money, but I'm looking at this and they like from uk, they bring flags out. Midgets with fucking bottles this big. All type of shit. I'm looking at this shit, I'm like, yo, where the. Is these. Is this bitcoin? Bitcoin? Is this bitcoin? Is this fucking. What the fuck are they doing out here, right?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Some shit, man. My homie destructo, he a DJ in the house world or whatever. His son, 19 years old, this nigga just bought his father first Porsche. All that off of Crypto. Before that he was selling sneakers and shit. Now legit, everything fully, like balling on these niggas. That's why I have no excuse. I don't even take. I don't even like let people try to like make excuses, bro. Because I see the 19 year old do it.

[Joe Crack]

It's like, yo, bro, the levels. Yeah, the level. They looking like BMF in the club right now in this. You look at them as little kids and I'm just like, like, they doing a lot. They doing too much. I hope they don't. I hope they save a dollar one day because the shit they doing. And they got this thing where they go on the thing, right? They got. They got like a thing on the thing. No, no, they got like a teleprompter, right? And they'd be like, the UK boys is in the building. Fuck you, broke mother. Like, they could text. They having bottle wars in Dubai. Club Blue. I swear, shout out to see it. And they like the guy who just bought the 40 bottles. He's like, fuck the other side, the UK. And then they come back, Afghanistan, say, suck my dick. 100 bottles. Like, yo, I'm looking at this. I'm sitting there, I'm trying to. Yo, bro, I'm trying to go home.

[Jada Kiss]

With a tan now.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

We used to do it like that. Stop drinking champagne out here.

[Jada Kiss]

For real bottle.

[Joe Crack]

My family doesn't understand. I'm trying to go home with a dollar. When I cross the border to a different territory, I'm trying to actually come back to pay the mortgage. If I bring them, they gonna blow the whole bag in the like. Immediately. The minute it goes like this, I'm gonna say, we in the SLS Hotel. The Minute Wife is a bunk Atlantis suite of a lifetime. Four seasons. The whole floor, the whole change. What restaurant? I could go to a shawlama's place to go get some shalom. And now it turns into Milos. Give me the table by the water. Look, how about you guys don't come and I bring home the money, right? Then you can shop, do whatever you want to do. How about please don't come because I spend more than I'm going to make, right? Does this make sense? This shit crazy out there right now.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

They going, they're doing it big in Dubai for sure.

[Joe Crack]

And so your daughter, she got the diplomas and all that pepid dime. Listen, that's all we could pray for, is for our kids to be successful and do good in life. I mean, that's the American dream. And you blessed, man. It's good she level headed. Cause she going for the masters a lot. That she's. She's sharp.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Nah, she's it for sure.

[Joe Crack]

And the guys, the guys is like, they want to date that Ty Dollar's daughter.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

No. Hey, we ain't even getting it.

[Jada Kiss]

Yeah, we bring. No, we ain't doing that.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

All them little.

[Joe Crack]

I'm just saying. Yeah, I'll try to touch.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

She gotta stay focused.

[Joe Crack]

Boy, I kill these out here, man. They got. We got the tracker. One day, my daughter in the summer, she was a little. A little bit too much in Harlem. I was like, oh, no, what's going on? This was like three in the morning anxiety. I'm ready to put my clothes on. I'm like, yo, the tracker says Harlem says Washington. What the fuck is going on? Over. You remember that calling? Going to Washington Heights, going to Harlem calling.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

She definitely had a long time boyfriend, though. And like, how I looked at it, because people would be like, oh, so what do you think about this? Da, da, da. I was always like, bring him.

[Joe Crack]

Thank God.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Always. Like, I'm not gonna like reject it. I'm not gonna like make her feel like she can't talk to me about it or make her feel like weird about it. You know what I'm saying? So I was always like.

[Joe Crack]

I think I didn't understand it.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Always showing.

[Jada Kiss]

With daughters, you always gotta. They always gotta be able to talk to you.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Jada Kiss]

Before they seek somebody else to talk to.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Then it's old sister hated me.

[Joe Crack]

She bring boys to the house. I had a bat right there. Like a real bat.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Now, see, with my sister, this is how it was. Like, I always scared off all of her boyfriends.

[Joe Crack]

That's.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

But then when my daughter, I sit.

[Joe Crack]

There with the bat, chased him home. All type of. One sister. I don't think she was happy with me. Yeah. Rest in peace.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I know my sister.

[Joe Crack]

I don't think my sister was happy with me because I did too much, man. We was chasing things. All type of shit. Yo, you ever talk to my sister again, B, I'm telling you, like, right? And literally with the bat, while the dude is sitting there, she's sitting there and I'm like, they playing Happy Days and shit like that. And I'm like, Sunday, Monday, Happy Days. And I got the baseball bat. Like, boy, I'm gonna tell you. But the thing is, my daughter, I've been very respectful. Happy day. I've been very respectful of whatever she's doing, very supportive. And it's hard sometimes. Every now and then when I get into it with the family, I just be like, look, guys, I'm doing some shit I never dreamed in my life that I would do. Like, I'm being so understanding.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Like, you know what I mean? Like, as a dad, you just like, yo, I'm really being understanding. Like, please don't stop with me because I'm. You know, but it's. You know, it is. They say once the communication goes. Yeah, it's over.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

And I feel like back then was a different way. We was. The world was. And we was being taught. We was taught to be that way. And then now, the way the world is, it's like you're supposed to act this way, you know, be more. Not so judging, not so this.

[Jada Kiss]

They switched it from this shit.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah. Instilled in this.

[Jada Kiss]

They Uninstilled it in the new generation. Yeah, we gotta give him a round of applause for being a Billboard power player. I mean, he doing.

[Joe Crack]

He's the biggest. We not talking about. That's new, but there's a new thing Billboard plot.

[Jada Kiss]

He recognized us.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, they recognized us. Gave us an award. Me, my brother, Sean Barron, and Leon Thomas for our label. Everything we've done this year, for sure, he's doing shit.

[Joe Crack]

He deserves it.

[Jada Kiss]

Doing shit. Tycoon scores. October 17th. When is free TC documentary going up?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

That's coming out right after that.

[Jada Kiss]

Okay. Make sure y' all check out everything he drops.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Jada Kiss]

We talking.

[Joe Crack]

Oh, you just before.

[Jada Kiss]

You used to keep going. No, I'm here to promote you.

[Joe Crack]

You cutting them off too quick, man. You cutting them off.

[Jada Kiss]

You ain't letting them promote you over here.

[Joe Crack]

I'm a dog. I'm a dog. I'm a mutt.

[Jada Kiss]

Leon Thomas, man. Come on.

[Joe Crack]

Yo, Todd Dollar, who you work with that you possibly could? But because like I said, you hit so many generations with your style of music right now. You just did vultures with the young kids. They losing their sneakers, jumping up and down to that shit. But at the same time, I told you, I hear Jodeci, I hear Aaron Hall, I hear who you worked with that you was like, yo. Like, oh, this is unbelievable. Like, I don't believe I got the chance to work in the studio with somebody like that.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Ooh, it's a gang of people. I made a song with Mariah Carey before mc. I made a song with Fat Joe before.

[Joe Crack]

Nah, nah, nah.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Who else like a Gang of. But Leon, like, when it to comes. Like, when it comes to now, meeting Leon and working with him was like, wow. That was the first time I said wow in a long time. Cause it was. It just felt like me again, but on a whole nother level. Like, he's fucking engineering, he's producing, he's writing, he's making beats for everybody else. He's writing songs for everybody else. Just doing so much for everybody else, but at the same time being incredible himself and nobody. Like, really. Oh, that shit's too soulful. It's too this, it's too that. Da, da, da. I'm like, nah, this is it. You know what I mean? And Sean Barron agreed. We started the Easy Money label. And look, we put out the first album that had this song featuring me called Love Jones. And the album was cool. We were starting to get recognition, but there was no real hit off of that. And then you start getting the calls. Well, maybe Ty, you could give him one of those club songs, or you could give him one of them da da da da or something like that. And I actually hit him with it. And then like an hour later, it might have been a shorter time, but I called him back immediately like, my nigga. No, no, no, no, no. Fuck that. Stick to you. You know, what the fuck you doing? You don't need to try nothing else. Just do your shit and look, man, we got a smash record with no sequencer. All live music, live drums, live bass, live guitar, live streams, live everything. So shout out to that man. Stick to yourself. That's all you gotta do.

[Joe Crack]

Some of the artists you respect, because we definitely have a different sound in R and B today than we have in the 90s. I feel like the 90s was the greatest time for R and B with one of the greatest. We're not going all the way.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

That's just in your age bracket. But yeah. Cause I'll be looking at like, the 70s is the best R and B. Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Might be right. Might be Temptations.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I got a Low Rider and all that shit. So I'm always like listening to the older shit.

[Joe Crack]

And that's like your dad's era. Yeah, but my point is now.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Who's. What artists you think?

[Jada Kiss]

How do you make feel about R B right now?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I feel like it's about to do that again. When I went to the BMI Awards recently, they had a whole bunch of new artists performing. And everybody that performed at that motherfucker was incredible. Sounded like this time like young motherfuckers up there playing guitar, singing, going crazy, hitting all the crazy notes, captivating the crowd, making everybody stand up. I'm like, oh, it's time again, you know? And it's people that care.

[Jada Kiss]

Anybody you haven't worked with that you want to work with?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Shit, I want to work with Lady Gaga. I ain't never did a song with Lady Gaga. She wanted the greats.

[Joe Crack]

She wanted the greats, right?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

You know, I'm a little bit off the weird shit now. You know what I'm saying?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

What? You said her shit weird.

[Joe Crack]

Nah, I'm not saying, oh, she's a little weird, but she is definitely very, very talented. I'm not reframing musically, you know, like style wise crazy and all that shit. I'm like, yo, you know what? I'm a little bit off that.

[Jada Kiss]

What you what.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

He said, do that again.

[Joe Crack]

Artists acting with like and all that. All of that.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Can you give us an example?

[Jada Kiss]

What is that?

[Joe Crack]

Oh, no, y' all trying to jam me up. I can't say that because one of the biggest artists of today, but I watched her perform recently and I was just like, yo, you know what? I'm kind of off trying to act like all that shit. Like that was cute maybe when Nicki Minaj started that. But just stop act. Trying to act crazy. Like just, you're very talented, your music could speak for itself. You know what I'm saying? And so some artists get caught up in that just like fashion. Like, just cause you dress weird don't mean you fly. Yeah, right. I've been seeing motherfuckers now just walking, looking weird and they think they fly. It's like, no, dude, you a fucking weirdo. That's not a go. You understand what I'm saying? So I just feel like just doing too much necessarily. Somebody I respect very much in R and B right now is Kaylani. I feel like she could have did it in the Brandi Monica era, you know what I'm saying? That's what I'm looking for. I'm looking for real music with Substance.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

K. Been doing her shit for a long time and I'm happy to see her. Well, she got a number one record now, right? Or it's almost number one. It's top five for sure.

[Joe Crack]

I don't watch charts no more. I'm old school.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

I feel you on that. But like you said in the beginning, you looking for that supremacy, right? She finally gets the supremacy.

[Joe Crack]

I seen her voice, her tone. That music that folded that. This, that's Brandi. We had Brandi and Monica.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah. Brandon did a remix of that photo.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, Brandi, Monica, you know, we had fucking 112. What is this? Numbers in the pocket? I don't have a reason. Like, we had some shit. And the problem I have is. And it's the same problem with young hip hop too. It's like everybody ain't in.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

He still stuck up that one time.

[Joe Crack]

Everybody just wanted one hit. Everybody want a one hit. They don't want that. That real shit that lasts 10, 20 years and all that.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

And that's been the problem with music lately, Especially with rap music. I feel like, yeah, microwave. Yeah. Somebody said it the other day, it's like, what used to be, it was like, it was Saha Saha, the Prince he was talking about back in the day. It used to be the real rap and it used to be the street, and then now the street want to be the rap and shit, you mean? And they really suck in the street.

[Joe Crack]

Like the street from the street. Wanna rap? Yeah, man, I've seen 50yo's that don't really rap. Talk off the cliff. Yeah, 50yo's real. Bust a gun, put out a single. K Slay used to call me like yo, get your mans in them now I'm talking about gangsters, guys, 20 years in jail, real dudes, this, this, that all of a sudden put out a single or something. I'm like yo, my man, they used to call me like the gangster police. Like they would call me and be like, yo, Joe, talk to him. They don't want to lose the whole legacy. Like imagine the scariest dude in Yonkers all of a sudden 54 years old, he want to drop a song. Bro, you should have did that at 20. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. This man said, not him. I think it was alchemist said, yo, there is no age limit.

[Lenovo Advertiser]

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[Joe Crack]

When you've been doing it a while, right? Don't come brand new. 54 think your gonna be playing your. They not playing your. Don't do that.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Oh God.

[Joe Crack]

It has not the profession for you. Your time has passed.

[Jada Kiss]

You can't enter this.

[Joe Crack]

Oh no, not 50 years old and all. I'm like yo, you know how many times I swear to God my phone will ring. Recipes.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

What is the latest age you can enter?

[Joe Crack]

You can't do it. You can't do it.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Like for me, for me, right? My didn't boom until I was 27.

[Joe Crack]

That's cool. That's a great.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

A lot of n that's like I don't care.

[Joe Crack]

I think anyway. Nah. Some rappers, I think two chains, Jay Z, two chains.

[Jada Kiss]

Rick Ross, that's one of the two chains. But he started early. He just came back and popped later.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, Rick Ross. I watched Rick Ross walking around the clubs for 10 years straight trying to.

[Jada Kiss]

Like I used to see Boston get it right.

[Joe Crack]

You understand what I'm saying? But I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is it's two different things we talking about. You know when you said street niggas want to rap? My thing is all right. A 22, 24, 25, 31 year old street nigga do not come with OG Bobby Watson Watson. Bobby wants come with a nigga OG Bobby Johnson. Don't do it. KC used to call me and be like, yo, Joe, the guards such and such from Queens. Gotta talk to your man Joe. Such and such in Brooklyn. These 50 year old guys trying to act like who is going to buy your music? Who is going to support that music, Please stop being delusional. It's one thing if you a og, you mob, deep, you fat, yo, you jaded, kiss you. This, this, this. You've been doing this forever. You drop a project, we actually appreciate that. Yeah, right. Every other genre could do it. They don't stop at certain age. We could do it. Slick Rick, drop the album. I'm buying. Everybody, I'm buying. But don't come brand new.

[Jada Kiss]

62.

[Joe Crack]

Nah. And they do it. The problem is I'm bringing it to attention because they do it. They come out and they be like.

[Jada Kiss]

Yo, that's just somebody's dream.

[Joe Crack]

I don't give you realize that though. Another thing is, if you sleeping on your girlfriend's couch.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

That don't mean you.

[Jada Kiss]

Can'T make a hint.

[Joe Crack]

You got four kids, she's working. You can't make a hit. She got four kids, she's working. You're sleeping on your girl's couch. You got four kids, she's working every day. You playing 2K, you got four kids, bro. This is what I'm trying to tell you. These guys are telling these girls they're rappers. They're telling them they rappers. They don't have a show. Look, if you don't have somebody downloading your shit besides your family and friends, if you don't have a show, if no one even knows you exist but yourself and your crew, you, my friend, are not a rapper. You are not a success. This is not your profession. Seek a job and then do this. Seek the kingdom, get a job, do something. Because the girl know by now there's some ladies here. Would you know if the guy's 42, sleeping on your couch playing 2K, talking about he's some sort of rapper. You know by now that he full of shit, right? You might love him because you love him, but he's not for real.

[Jada Kiss]

There's something wrong.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Same thing with the 30 year, 30 year old models. They ain't never been on no cover.

[Joe Crack]

Link in the body, but they might. They might be bad. Women with the Lincoln, yo, they might be bad. They might be bad. Be a badass for the year and a half. Let the head drop down to her ass. Listen, let me tell you something. I disagree with that one. You could be any kind of model. The guy on the couch that doesn't have a job, who's using the fact that he's some type of rapper because he snuck in the studio and cut a demo, you're not really a rapper. I also have a problem, Dan. This turned Into. What's your problem, Fat Joe? My problem is everybody who either shoots or gets killed on the news, somehow they're a rapper. Rapper Johnny Z shot the place. This like, yo, bro, where did he rap?

[Todd Dollar Sign]

It's no longer your man.

[Joe Crack]

J. Cole put it in the verse. He was like, yo, every time I little buddy rap, I listen to his shit. After he got killed on the. Like, yo, bro, like, what is the quality? Nothing. Everything, man. I don't know what to tell you, man. Everything is like, you don't have to be qualified no more. It used to be you had to give respect. You know, Somebody came to you and said, yo, Todd Dollar, you nice. And then you started with the big boys.

[Jada Kiss]

You rapping, you can just upload your own music and celebrate your own life.

[Joe Crack]

I'm looking.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, it's dumbed down for sure.

[Joe Crack]

You wanted to be a singer.

[Jada Kiss]

A little bit.

[Joe Crack]

I wanted to be a singer. If I could have traded my rap career to be like Luke Evangelos. No, he was a rap career.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

What would have been your R B name?

[Joe Crack]

But I would have.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

It wouldn't have been no Joey Crack.

[Joe Crack]

Yo, listen, I'd have been on some bullshit, though. I'd have been giving the whole audience roses and shit, all type of shit. Like, I'd have been on sports. I mean, you know. You know, singing to me is just different, I guess. Rap is rap, but. But to be singing to me is more beautiful, whether it's in English or Spanish. Spanish, they got south music. One of the most beautiful musics in the world. You know what I'm saying? So it's the same thing with English. Like, man, I love that shit.

[Jada Kiss]

Cool, man. 10, 17, free TC. Slightly after that. Let's make some noise for our brother Todd. Dollar Sign.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Appreciate you, brother.

[Jada Kiss]

We love you.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

No doubt.

[Jada Kiss]

Let's toast.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Toast it up.

[Joe Crack]

You thought you could have that one?

[Jada Kiss]

This, that line. Your smile.

[Joe Crack]

That's body.

[Jada Kiss]

Your body.

[Joe Crack]

This ain't that.

[Jada Kiss]

That ain't this. It's cracking. Kiss. It's another one, baby. Dollar Sign. Yes. Dollar Sign.

[Joe Crack]

Dollar Sign, hold up. One thing. I gotta ask. I know we rap, but your relationship with Hitmaker. Yeah, tell us a little something about that. Because, I mean, I feel like, yo, he. He could get Ty$. He could wake you up in your sleep, like.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Become so tight between you and him.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

It took a long time. Because he's my Eskimo brother. It took a long. It took a long time to start. Cause we used to. I used to not fuck with him at first. Cause that Nigga was hitting one of my bitches, but, oh, that's Eskimo. That's me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Crack]

Like y' all know the same young ladies.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jada Kiss]

Wow.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

But then once I grew up and got mature, I realized that especially in this industry, that happens so much. You know what I'm saying? Right?

[Joe Crack]

I mean, every place we go and.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Then it was just like, damn, nigga, if we would have been working since back then, we would have had so many hits. You feel me? That nigga's, like, talented. He really, like, knows. He knows Hitman how to get to the hits. So we work all the time. Every time I stop in Miami, I'm pulling up on him.

[Joe Crack]

Yeah, man, I had to ask you that because that's my go to for Todd Dot. With Todd Dollar, he disappears sometimes. I can't believe I need to get a lot of funny, 12 people with you. I ain't know that 12 people number to get in touch with you. I got a call. Hit me. Him making a man ain't calling me back, man told me might be sleeping. Joe, don't worry. I'll go get him. I'm going to find him. But shout out to the hit maker. We need him on his.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He just called me.

[Jada Kiss]

He want to come next week.

[Joe Crack]

Yo, Jada, who you talking to? Like, did you talk to me here this morning? This morning I put on the TV and I see Allen Navis and Bubba Chuck all over. He's promoting some book. I called Jada. I see. Yo, Jada.

[Jada Kiss]

He told me already.

[Joe Crack]

I'm watching. Yeah, got off the phone with him last night. Called me already, man, doing, yo, what the. Why he ain't on the couch? Like, yo, what are you. The same reason he ate on the.

[Jada Kiss]

Couch when you found out he was in New York.

[Joe Crack]

He's ducking us. He's ducking us, ducking us. But you know, we need Hit Maker on there. You know what I'm saying? But we appreciate you, Todd$. I personally appreciate you for everything you've done for me. You really, really help me out.

[Jada Kiss]

So free tc, man.

[Todd Dollar Sign]

Btc.

[Joe Crack]

Free tc.

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[Joe Crack]

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[Todd Dollar Sign]

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[Joe Crack]

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[Todd Dollar Sign]

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[Joe Crack]

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[Jada Kiss]

Season the only meat I'm going to.

[Joe Crack]

Grill is Dietz and Watson. I'm loving the Black Angus Dietz dogs. They're flavor packed and you can tell they are made with the highest quality ingredients.

[Jada Kiss]

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