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The Saudi crown prince has launched a new company to develop AI technologies. This is very interesting as Saudi Arabia is a country with a ton of oil money traditionally, and they've been trying to essentially wean off of just having revenue from oil money for the last, you know, 20ish years. And it's really been accelerating, I think, in the last five years. So one thing I've been quite impressed by, you could say, was Saudi Arabia's push for investment into AI technology since the very early days, trying to become kind of like an AI hub. They have a whole bunch of visa programs. I have a lot of friends that are in tech that are living over there. And so there's, there's a lot of interesting, a lot of interesting things, a lot of investment money going in the space. And this in particular is a pretty impressive thing when the owner of the, or I guess the, the leader of the company of the country, the, the prince is launching a new company. Now, I think in America this is probably not very common that, you know, you would, you'd see like the president, for example, launching a company while they're the President Trump, I know a lot of people probably criticize him for a lot of his crypto and other businesses that he kind of launched in the campaign leading up to being inaugurated. I'm not sure exactly what the rules are. I don't think we're going to see him launch any companies while he's, you know, the sitting president. I think it's just less common that we will see that American politicians have all sorts of scammy ways of making money. Don't get me wrong. But I think it's typically less, less seen as like they launched a company while being the president. It feels like you could really put your thumb on the scale of making sure your company is the winner. But in any case, I'm not, I'm not criticizing Saudi Arabia. I just think it's different than what I'm typically used to seeing in America. There's a lot of interesting things with this company, though. In particular, I want to go over exactly what they're doing and I think we might see some similar things out of other sovereign wealth funds and other companies, countries. So I'll break that all down. Before I do, I wanted to ask if you have ever had the opportunity to use the Quen AI model. It's a competitor chat GPT made by Alibaba. Very big company, very big model, really interesting. Or if you've ever used Black Forest Labs for image generation or ideogram I've been so impressed by Ideogram for image generation. If not, go over and check out my own startup AI box. AI. We have a new playground we just released in beta that allows you to Access the top 40, 20 to 40 AI models all in one platform. The cool thing that I love about it is that we have something called media storage. So anytime you generate an image or a piece of content, it all goes into the media storage. So you're not going to ever have the problem that I've had many times where I've generated something, moved on with my life, and like a week later, I'm like, what chat was that, like, image I generated for a thumbnail in? And I'm like, trying to scroll back and find it. So you go to the media storage, you click on anything that you've ever generated. You can scroll down, you can see the exact prompt used to generate it, a model used to generate it, and there's a button to click and go back to the exact chat that you were in when you generated that image. And you can go back, see your prompts, see all the discussion you had. So pretty cool. There is a link in the description. It's $20 a month, $19 a month. AI box. AI. All right, let's get into what's going on over in Saudi Arabia. So this was originally reported by routers, and essentially their crown prince, who is Mohammed bin Salaam, he has a new company that essentially is going to manage AI technology. Right? So it's not a very specific, like, this is a ChatGPT competitor, this is an XYZ. It's kind of like a, you know, I think more traditionally, we'd call this like a holding company in America, but it's pretty much top priority is any sort of economic diversification inside of Saudi Arabia. So Donald Trump, he is traveling to Saudi Arabia this week. He's stopping at a bunch of places on a golf tour, and there he's expected to discuss AI a lot. So it's kind of interesting timing. It's like right before Trump goes there talking about AI, it's going to have a big international kind of media coverage. Evidently, you can imagine that this is going to be brought up. Probably this company is going to be brought up. And what's interesting is, you know, this is at a time where they're in Saudi Arabia, they're really trying to shift a lot of their revenue from other sources. They are right now the world's biggest crude oil exporter. And they're essentially have this. They Call it like a economic and social transformation. They call it Vision 2030, which essentially is trying to get their whole company off of being completely dependent on oil by 2030. So they have five years left to go, and they believe that AI is kind of one of their big pushes. And so that's why we're seeing, you know, some of these big, some of these big plays in AI kind of making this. So over on TechCrunch, there is a breakdown of exactly what the company is going to be working on, and that's essentially going to be building out the company's AI infrastructure, and that includes construction of data centers. So it's not exactly like, oh, we're building like a software. It's. It's more of an infrastructure play. Right. So when, when you have something this big, you can start kind of comparing this to Sam Altman's like, Stargate program that he's building for $500 billion over here in America, that he's partnering with Oracle and SoftBank. It just seems like Saudi Arabia is trying to build their own version of this. And obviously, when it comes to, like, these big infrastructure plays, you need a lot of money. You need goes straight to the top of the, of the country, which is kind of the crown prince and he's kind of building this. It's interesting because it's like the way Saudi Arabia works with, with kind of like the royal family and there being a crown prince. Like, on the one hand, yes, the crown prince owns the company and some people be like, oh, that sounds like, I don't know, corruption or whatever. But like, in reality, it's pretty much like a nationalized company because the crown prince can pretty much take as much money as he wants out of Saudi Arabia's crude oil reserve, you know, fund. Anyways, he kind of spend it however he wants. It's not like he needs more money per se. It's pretty much he's building infrastructure and, you know, building jobs and etc. Inside of his country. So it's kind of interesting because just this week, Elon Musk, Sam Altman and Mark Zuckerberg are going to be attending an investment forum over in Saudi Arabia. Trump is going to be over in Saudi Arabia. So. So kind of all the big heads are over there. Everyone's going to be talking about AI and this new company, which is called Humane H U M A I N, is funded by Saudi Arabia's public investment fund. So that fund has assets that it manages which are worth around $940 billion. It's essentially part of the Crown Prince's, you know, get off of the oil program fund. So, you know, like 940 billion, that's almost a trillion dollars that's going to be funded by it. But it's interesting because it's like the Crown Prince is starting a company, but he also like controls the, the trillion dollar investment firm that invests into projects and it's invested into this project. So I feel like it's more like a nationalized company at this point. But we have seen a bunch of other American tech giants that have looked to this kind of PIFF fund as a source of capital. Google, Salesforce are also working with PIFF on some AI related projects and investments. So this fund doesn't just invest into Saudi Arabian companies, it invests into American companies as well. But typically that's going to be like Google building infrastructure, Salesforce building out a sales team or building out like an office in Saudi Arabia. And that's kind of where we see this investing in things that typically can help Saudi Arabia. So very interesting. Saudi Arabia is putting a big focus on this. They have a big incentive and a lot of money going in this direction. I'll keep you up to date on everything they announce in relation to this. As they start actually building out these data centers and building out some of this infrastructure, some of these projects. I think kind of the bottom line on this news story is like Saudi Arabia serious, they're putting their money where their mouth is. They're backing, they're making big back, big bold bets on the future of AI inside of their country. So I, I think that's very, very interesting. Again, thank you so much for listening to the podcast. Make sure to check out AI Box AI, my AI startup. Try out Quen, try out X's Grok models, try out Ideogram, try out Black Forest Labs. Try all the different models on there. Let me know what you think. It is $20 a month and replaces a ton of different subscriptions you could have for the top 20 different AI companies. You get them all in one place, you can chat with them all in the same chat, which is kind of cool. Thanks so much for tuning in and I will catch you next time.
Podcast: Joe Rogan Experience for AI
Host: Joe Rogan Experience for AI
Release Date: May 28, 2025
The episode delves into Saudi Arabia's strategic shift towards artificial intelligence (AI) as part of its broader economic diversification efforts. Traditionally reliant on oil revenues, Saudi Arabia has been actively seeking to transform its economy over the past two decades, with an accelerated focus in recent years.
Speaker A [00:00]: "Saudi Arabia is a country with a ton of oil money traditionally, and they've been trying to essentially wean off of just having revenue from oil money for the last, you know, 20ish years."
At the heart of this transformation is the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, who has launched a new company dedicated to developing AI technologies. This move signifies a substantial investment in AI infrastructure, positioning Saudi Arabia as a potential global AI hub.
Speaker A [00:25]: "The crown prince owns the company... it's pretty much top priority is any sort of economic diversification inside of Saudi Arabia."
Saudi Arabia's Vision 2030 outlines the nation's roadmap to reduce dependence on oil by fostering growth in various sectors, including technology and AI. The initiative emphasizes building robust infrastructure, creating jobs, and nurturing innovations that can sustain the economy post-oil era.
Speaker A [02:15]: "They call it like a economic and social transformation. They call it Vision 2030, which essentially is trying to get their whole company off of being completely dependent on oil by 2030."
The host draws parallels between Saudi Arabia's AI infrastructure projects and similar initiatives in the United States, such as Sam Altman's Stargate program. Both endeavors involve large-scale investments and partnerships with major technology firms to build comprehensive AI frameworks.
Speaker A [04:50]: "It just seems like Saudi Arabia is trying to build their own version of [Sam Altman's] Stargate program that he's building for $500 billion over here in America."
Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund (PIF), managing assets worth approximately $940 billion, is the primary financier behind the new AI company. This substantial funding underscores the kingdom's commitment to becoming a leading player in the AI sector.
Speaker A [06:30]: "This new company, which is called Humane H U M A I N, is funded by Saudi Arabia's public investment fund... that's almost a trillion dollars that's going to be funded by it."
The episode highlights Saudi Arabia's collaborations with global tech giants like Google and Salesforce, which are leveraging the PIF for various AI-related projects. These partnerships not only facilitate technology transfer but also integrate Saudi Arabia into the global AI ecosystem.
Speaker A [08:20]: "Google, Salesforce are also working with PIF on some AI related projects and investments... helping Saudi Arabia."
Additionally, the timing of these initiatives coincides with significant global events, such as former President Donald Trump's visit to Saudi Arabia, where discussions around AI are expected to feature prominently.
Speaker A [05:45]: "Donald Trump... is traveling to Saudi Arabia this week... expected to discuss AI a lot."
The host concludes by emphasizing the depth and seriousness of Saudi Arabia's investment in AI. With massive financial backing and strategic international partnerships, Saudi Arabia is making bold bets on AI to secure its economic future beyond oil.
Speaker A [10:55]: "Saudi Arabia serious, they're putting their money where their mouth is. They're making big, bold bets on the future of AI inside of their country."
This comprehensive push into AI not only aims to secure economic stability post-oil but also seeks to place Saudi Arabia at the forefront of technological innovation on the global stage.