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Adam Thorne
You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review.
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Brandon
What a bizarre thing we've created now.
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Adam Thorne
With your host, Adam Thorne. This might either be the worst podcast or the best one. One go.
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Brandon
Enjoy the show.
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Adam Thorne
Hey guys, and welcome to another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. This week we are reviewing Elon Musk's recent October 31, 2025 episode 2404 appearance on Rogan. Elon hasn't been on for a while. I think it was December of last year. This is a big deal. I mean, this is post Doge and he's been laying low a little bit since his departure from Doge. Yeah, I think he said he only could do 120 days as a special government employee or whatever his title was. But yeah, and he's on and he's talking about some of his findings and what else he's up to and. And all the rest of it. Quick plug to the Patreon. Thank you all for being members of that again. We've got videos and other different bits and snippets and fun things over there. So go ahead, jump over to Patreon. You can see our link in the bio. We appreciate you supporting our show goes a long way. Joined today by Brandon. How you doing, buddy?
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Brandon
It's great to be here. I'm doing pretty well. I'm excited to talk about my favorite Diablo 4 player and, and yeah, man, like it's, it's nice to see Elon back on the podcast. What a different episode this was from what I thought it would be. When you compare this episode with his first appearance, I thought it was night and day, personally.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, yeah, he's definitely in a different place. I think that he's jaded politically, for sure. And also he's a very polarizing figure now. And also I would say triggering for figure, for sure. You bring up his name in many circles that used to love him to death and people are. You get a visceral reaction. People are upset sometimes.
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Brandon
Yeah. And you look at the whole controversy with Tesla and people graffiti cars and trashing dealerships. He hates the Democrats. And it shows, it really does show on this episode just how red pilled he is. And again, like I said, it's so night and day compared to his first couple appearances. His time in office has changed him so much. And we'll get into that. But it was a very, very political episode. I thought it was like what, 90% politics?
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Adam Thorne
I think. Pretty close. Yeah, pretty close. And if you want a Republican or very neutral, I would imagine it's pretty annoying episode too. I bet it was quite difficult to listen to, honestly.
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Brandon
Yeah, it's so different from early Rogan. Like when we're talking left wing California Rogan, it's like, wow, I feel like we have hit the other end of the spectrum. Like this episode has to be it.
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Adam Thorne
Sure, yeah, yeah. It's all. It's changing for sure. But, you know, I mean, a lot of people in that time have changed their policies. I think even the parties themselves have changed a bunch in that time as well.
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Brandon
Right.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, you know, you look at the Democratic Party today compared to when the podcast started in 2009, that's a completely different place. 2009 was what Obama, you know, Hillary was Secretary of State. I mean, I think even back then they weren't supporting gay marriage. And now it's like, think how liberal the Democratic Party is now. I mean, it's totally different. In 16 years, it seems like both.
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Brandon
Parties have changed quite a lot and due to Trump, obviously. And yeah, both sides have definitely changed their positions on a lot of things. I think, like, this is such a weird era for America and they talk about it on the episode, but yeah, weird times. And like Elon says, it feels like there's something crazy every day. It's just constant chaos in this country.
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Adam Thorne
And that I agree with.
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Brandon
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
What was, what was the public's reaction to this? You know, what's the reaction? What's the public reaction?
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Brandon
Right. So a lot of views on this one. A lot of people talking about it. So episodes like this are really hard to judge because a lot of the criticism is really just all political. A lot just from the left, Democrats. But the comments, where you get those Rogan fans is where you find like the real criticism and the real opinions on it. Yeah, a lot of people enjoyed it, but there was a lot of like, funny comments as well. And just people commenting how funny Elon is and his laugh. He seems like he makes himself laugh all the time. He reminded me of the Joker a little bit in a couple places. But yeah, the big criticism were like, you know, political commentary and fact checking and yeah, just from a different political leaning, but that's really what it is. And again, when you have a podcast like this that's 90% politics, it's going to cause quite a controversy. And my whole YouTube feed was just filled with both sides commenting on Elon's points and arguing about them. So, yeah, I feel like it's not even about the episode's quality anymore, but about the talking points themselves. But yeah, a lot of people thought Elon was just like a very strange goblin like creature in the comments. But yeah, it was, it was a quite a political episode.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, one of the top comments I'm looking at now and, you know, put it in perspective. So it's four days old, 6.7 million views, significantly larger than anything in the last month. So that's just Elon's pull. And the thing about Elon is he gets the views not just from the fans, the people that like him. It's like he creates interest. The haters are looking at what he's saying too. People are just paying attention to him in a big way. And that is very interesting because it's almost like whether you like him or hate him, a lot of people just feel like he can't be ignored. Whatever he's doing. It's like you still got to pay attention to it because he just has too much influence. Whether it's because of X, because of the fact that he's worth half a trillion dollars, you know, because of, you know, just the fact that he has his finger in so many pies, so to speak. Whether it's SpaceX, Tesla, you know, you.
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Brandon
Name it, love it or hate him. This guy is so fucking famous. Now. There was a period where for multiple months, this guy was on my newsfeed every day, multiple times a day. This guy has skyrocketed to fame and, and, you know, working hands to hand with Trump, working in the office with Doge, everything he did in the White House, everyone's looking at him. Especially with Trump. I feel like even international politics and commentators are talking about Trump more than the policies happening in their own country. So with Elon being next to Trump. Yeah, like you're saying, everyone's eyes are on him. So an episode like this, of course, is going to get a lot of traction. Also looking at the episode in the past where he smokes weed on the podcast, which.
- [08:47]
Adam Thorne
That was huge.
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Brandon
Yeah, game changing for him. Huge as well.
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Adam Thorne
And I think that's still the most downloaded episode that Rogan ever did. Yeah, pretty sure.
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Brandon
I wouldn't be surprised, man. And.
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Adam Thorne
I just wanted to read the. The top comment period is he just called Jeff Bezos a pencil necked geek within the first minute. That is funny. And that is great. And yeah, he did. And you know, that is, that is interesting because they do have a good back and forth. I've got a feeling those two probably get on just fine, you know. Yeah, I bet. It's just fun ribbing between the two so called richest people in the world though I doubt they even are. I bet it's like Saudis and Putin.
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Brandon
I mean some dude in India or something but dude, to be honest, to be a fly on the wall when Elon is in the studio to hear what they are talking about off air. Oh my God, do I wish I can hear some of these conversations because the Epstein talk, what are we talking? 30 seconds? It's like, are you kidding me?
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- [11:07]
Brandon
Yep, especially what happened between appearances. Elon Musk went on X and said dropping a huge bomb here. Donald Trump is in the Epstein files and that's why they haven't been released.
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Adam Thorne
Oh yeah, they did notice that. That wasn't brought up obviously.
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Brandon
Yeah. So what's your whole theory behind that?
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Adam Thorne
I mean, I think it probably is just what was stated and you know, does he even need to say more? Yeah, it's like I said it, there it is and he's hung out with Trump since he's, you know, he's not obviously closely tied to him. But Trump can't really deny the influence and you know, position that that Elon has just with everything that he's doing in his overall wealth. So you know, Trump still does connect. They're not obviously as close as they were. Elon's made that clear.
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Brandon
But.
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Adam Thorne
You know, I think that that was just Elon strategically distancing himself and you know, sounds like quite rightly so he just doesn't like that shit and seems like he's one of the few billionaires out there that's actually not going to defend and protect and cover up, you know, pedophilia. So fair play to him. And you know, once again, just like anything, nobody gives him any credit. Nobody cares if he saves astronauts, Nobody cares if he does anything. It's like, oh, screw him because he did doge or because he hates Democrats or whatever the heck that he's doing, right? I mean, the difficult thing is this. Like, I guess you could just call him a liar and be like, no, he's lying. It's disingenuous. They looked at the Social Security thing, they weren't even paying people. But, you know, if you just take it as face value, okay, he looked into this and he did find that this is a way to.
- [13:23]
Brandon
Get your.
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Adam Thorne
Name in a data bank. And then you can, through a bunch of other government services, scam a bunch of resources and money, and none of it's verified. I mean, well, if that's true and that's happening, that's certainly bad and we should stop it. And that's awful.
- [13:43]
Brandon
Yeah, for sure, man. And I know you don't know.
- [13:47]
Adam Thorne
There's no way to verify it. So you just sit there and go, he's a liar and he's wrong and that's all bullshit and this is propaganda. Or you just believe that he found it and that's true. And that's what it is. It's like there's just you. It just comes to a point where you just have to sit there, take everything that you know of the person or the sound bites, the way that they speak, their reputation, just what they've created and done and be like, yeah, I think they're pretty genuine and I've just kind of decided to trust them, you know, Whereas honestly, you take someone like Bill Gates, me personally, don't really care for him, don't really trust them. You know, I think of the Impossible Burger, which he backed and said was great, that's a piece of shit and it sounds like it's poison. And, you know, he's like super pro vaccine stance that he had, and then all of a sudden he flips on that. Now all of a sudden he's flipping on climate change. After hanging out with Trump for a few weeks, I'm just like, I don't know if this guy has any real values at all and just wants to make a lot of money. He does hide behind his charity, which does a lot of good work, but also, I don't know if that's all that genuine sometimes pencil neck geek dude. Yeah, he is a nerd.
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Brandon
Here's what's like, a little confusing to me about this whole thing because, yeah, you have Elon pretty much making amends with Trump we see it happen publicly. I feel like Elon is right. That is a big bomb. You drop saying something like that. You don't say that lightly. You know, what if it is just a tax thing? Because it makes a lot of sense. You can clean money with his help and it's not just a prostitution ring. And there were other things Epstein was doing in the business side of working with billionaires and all these high tech people. Wouldn't you want to clear that up if that is the case, why he was in the files? Wouldn't you just want to say, hey, I know I said this crazy thing on X. I was just really upset and angry. It's. He's not a pedophile. I just want to say that he's not a pedophile and all the truth will be revealed soon. I feel like just the fact that nothing was said and that wasn't cleared up at all just for me, it was like, I'm gonna take notes on that. I'm gonna remember this because it just seems a little weird with how involved Elon was and saw the Epstein files and how Joe is obsessed with these files at the same time. And the fact that, you know, they're Talked about for 30 seconds, I think is like a major point in this podcast that a lot of people aren't talking about because it just feels a little strange. It feels a little off, especially for Joe, too. And that's why I feel like to be a fly on the wall and to hear them actually talk about it off camera, who knows what they were talking about? Who knows what Elon actually knows?
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, Joe's definitely having more of the really good parts of the conversation in private now than I think he used to. You know, even to the point where, you know, when, when Elon said, I'll come on your show and tell you about aliens, I think even that conversation will be that he tells Rogan. But then he's like, listen, also, there are elements of the US Government that don't want me to say this to anybody, even though we found it. I will say it to you. I'm not going to say it on the air. That's what you get up to. You won't say it. You know, and I think that that's kind of at the. That's just the size and scope of what they're. They're dealing with. But, you know, I mean, Elon did say on this, he goes, I don't think Trump is evil. And I think if he knew that he was actually a pedophile he would think that he's evil, so he knows that he's doing something. I think he thinks that, you know, what. What does being on the list mean? Does being on the list mean that you went to the island or you were involved in things? Like you knew stuff was going on there? Like, how close does.
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Brandon
Were you Just a business partner.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, exactly. It's like, how guilty does it make you? That's the real question there. I mean, it obviously makes you some.
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Brandon
Level of guilt.
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Adam Thorne
To something. It means you knew something was going on and turned a blind eye, which isn't great. Like, that isn't great. So, yeah, Elon is just being like, yeah, this is. Trump did something, and that's why he's not saying this. And, you know, he does. I think he's also trying to tell us something like someone else has power over Trump.
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Brandon
He.
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Adam Thorne
He doesn't have the power to do this or the balls to do this. And Elon's not able to say who that group is. That's more powerful, though. You know, I think we all have an idea possibly.
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Brandon
Yeah, we can. We can follow the breadcrumbs for sure on that one. Especially lately, unfortunately. Yeah. Your point about the Three Eye Atlas thing, that was an interesting discussion, and Elon saying, hey, if I learn anything about aliens, I'll come on the show and talk about it. Hopefully it's not a Anna Paulina Luna situation where she's like, yeah, so there is evidence that. There's evidence of. Evidence of this. And it's like all this that it's like, well, so what is it? What's. What is. What are you trying to tell me? Hopefully in the future we get some, like, actual proof, you know, Elon coming forward and be like, yeah, so in the 50s, so.
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Adam Thorne
So, like, not interested.
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Brandon
You're right.
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Adam Thorne
Buyers, rockets.
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Brandon
That is true.
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Adam Thorne
Wants to go to Mars and has more satellites in space. Then it literally puts 90% of everything that goes to space in space. Rogan brings up Three Eye Atlas had, like, the main astronomer in the world that talks about it all the time on the pod, like, last. And. And Elon's like, nah, that's kind though. Those asteroids are normal. That's a normal one. That's a normal comment. I don't know. I mean, that seems. I don't know, maybe that's. That's probably normal. I mean, it was like he was talking about, you know, are you. Do you think the latest Camry is cool Toyota camera? He's like, he just couldn't care less he's just, like, answering the question. I'm like, three Eye Atlas is the most interesting thing we've ever seen fly through our solar system. Even if it is a big, giant.
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Brandon
Fucking rock, There is something fueling its trajectory besides gravity.
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Adam Thorne
Is that going on, dude?
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Brandon
Right? It's made a nickel. There's so many interesting facts about this. And Elon's like, yeah, dude, with. With how things are going in my life, I can fucking give less of a shit. His life must be so crazy how desensitized Elon Musk must be to life at this point. Yeah, like even me, man, just living through some of these things. I feel like if this was a mothership and it landed, I'd be like, cool. But when's like, GTA 6 coming out, you know?
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Adam Thorne
Right.
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Brandon
This is how I feel about life right now.
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Adam Thorne
It feels like that would be the top comment. We get alien motherships before GTA 6.
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Brandon
But that's just how I feel. It just feels. It just doesn't feel like real life anymore. And they even talk about, yeah, I'm pretty sure this is a simulation after living in 2025, and can't agree more at this point.
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Adam Thorne
Well, he does have a point. Just kind of like a statistical game theory idea. When he was talking about, well, we're making simulations kind of all the time now. And, you know, it's the most interesting ones. Continue. So as long as this one stays interesting at a. Continue. It's like if we're making our own simulations and millions of them, even though the ones we make seem very simple and basic compared to the one that we're in, but that's only because this is the only one that we know. So who knows how simple this is compared to what could be on the outside of the simulation, which could be a billion times more complex than what we have, you know, it would only therefore then make sense that if we're making them, why aren't we one of also millions and billions of others? And, you know, it's kind of hard then to argue with that type of logic. I just don't know what it changes. It's a fun thought experiment, but it's like, does it make any difference?
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Brandon
Yeah, I think therefore I am. If I'm in the Sims right now, fuck it, I'm having a fun time. And I don't know, man, it's really crazy to think about that, because we are a primal society. We really are. And we can integrate AI into video games now this year. Imagine our society in 100 years in 500 years. In a thousand years. Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I read a book. I read a book. It's a comedy series that they had in England. It was called Red Dwarf. And some Americans know. It's great. It's very. It's about a guy that basically went. He got in trouble. He was like a janitor on a spaceship. And they. He got in trouble. They put him in stasis for like the weekend because he was like, you know, he was like, in trouble. It was like that jail. Anyway, something went wrong and he was stuck there for 3 million years and then came out, everyone's dead. And he's like, stuck in this future. Well, he has no one to hang out with, so he's like talking to all the janitor robots. And there's a toaster that talks, and it's AI toaster, but it always just wants to talk about toast because that's its primary function. But it is an AI, so it's like a genius. It's like a super intelligent AI level toaster that also just wants to talk about toast. But because of the level of technology, it also knows, like, everything that humanity could ever know. And given enough time, even the most basic computer game on a cell phone, you could go to any character within it and it could have more complexity than any of your friends. Right? Yeah.
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Brandon
In 10 years, you're. Exactly. In 10 years, your Roomba could be depressed. Like, who would know? This is.
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Adam Thorne
They're all depressed. That's the highest form of life, AI getting depressed.
- [25:30]
Brandon
Yeah. Yeah. It's just. It's such a weird time, man. And what was really exciting and what I really was pumped about on this podcast was Elon talking about flying cars.
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Adam Thorne
Oh, yeah.
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Brandon
That is some. That I cannot wait to see. I love Elon's whole explanation being like, well, I feel like we've caught up to Blade Runner and they had flying cars. So it. Which is just the craziest reasoning. It's just. It's. It's insane that someone like that with that amount of power and money could just do that. It. I want flying cars. Time to do it, I guess.
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Adam Thorne
God, Blade Ronin was such a good movie.
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Brandon
Great.
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Adam Thorne
So ahead of its time. Wasn't that AI that was like robots, weren't they?
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Brandon
Yeah, that was. That was kind of like. I like. It had some like, iRobot stuff in it where it's like. It's this guy deactivating robots that are, like, conscious, I believe.
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Adam Thorne
I haven't seen it. They would. They were like, trying to figure, like, they were like Harrison Ford trying to figure themselves out and what they feel about things. It was cool as hell. But, yeah, he said. He said basically they want to do the demo for the next gen Tesla Roadster. Hopefully the end of this year, they can pull it off. That'll be soon. It's crazier than, like, all the James Bond cars combined. So who the hell knows what that means? Because they had that. I'm pretty sure they had flying James Bond cars. They definitely have one that was a submarine, so I don't know how the hell they're going to make it cooler than that now.
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Brandon
Now, here's the question, Adam. If we get a couple more sponsors, are you buying one?
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Adam Thorne
What, a Tesla Roadster flying car.
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Brandon
Tesla flying car.
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Adam Thorne
Flying Tesla Roadster car.
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Brandon
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, it sounds very cool. It sounds very cool. I don't know if I need it. I don't know if it's appropriate for my family and where I am currently in my life. Yeah, if I was younger, I think I'd be into it. I'm just. I'm just not trying to impress anybody. And I think I'm kind of scared. Well, I'm not kind of scared. I'm very afraid of heights, so I wouldn't want to go very high in any vehicle that I was in control of. It just seems totally unnecessary for me.
- [27:56]
Brandon
That's the issue, man. That's like what I don't understand with flying cars. It's like when it breaks down, you can't just pull over to a cloud. You know, you die the scariest death. Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
You crash on a bird, on the parachute, maybe it just, like it pops like an airbag into one of those bowls that those people bounce down the mountains on.
- [28:24]
Brandon
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
You ever seen those people? Yeah, they bounce car size. Those people are okay. They live. So you just see in a car.
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Brandon
Bouncing, that would be the most insane imagery. I hope he has something in place because, like, you know, your car dies, you just, like, you know, see cars falling out of the sky.
- [28:45]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Brandon
It's horrifying.
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Adam Thorne
I don't know. You know, we're going to find out a couple of months. I hope it's cool. He always has pretty spectacular unveilings. He said this one is the best that he's had, and he's had. He's had some really cool ones. Yeah, we'll see what it does. I mean, supposedly with like, the booster technology that the other one was supposed to have had, it could do like, zero to 60 in, like, a second or something, which is just Insane. I mean, I. I would have assumed you'd, like, pass out from that. That's like, to do anything. But, yeah, we'll see.
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Brandon
I've never needed to do that on the road either. Or it's like. Like what?
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Adam Thorne
I just don't need to get. I'm never that late for anything. You know what I mean? Oh, I'm late. Gotta go.
- [29:41]
Brandon
Yeah, just like, accelerate. You're at work in a second. You know, you're already there. That's crazy, man. Dude, the. The 50 cent AI stuff, when is that going to stop?
- [29:54]
Adam Thorne
He needs every. Just stop. Rogan. Stop showing everyone. Just show them before the podcast starts.
- [30:03]
Brandon
Dude, at this point, just have AI 50 cent on the podcast.
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Adam Thorne
Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Everyone listening has already heard it. Two. That's number one. Two. You can't play the fucking song anyway because of copyright. So no. No one listening even gets to hear it. So all we get is, like, a really bad reaction video of a guest that probably didn't want to listen to it anyway. Maybe they did, but mostly it's Rogan. Yeah, mostly Rogan wants to listen to it. And I'll give it to you. Some of them are good. I listened to one the other day, and it was Oasis, Wonderwall, but, like, Blues from, like, the 50s or 60s. Really good, dude. There are some great ones now. Do I need to play it on my podcast every week for the next month? No, I won't do that for you.
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Brandon
Well, I appreciate it.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, I'm not gonna do it. I'm not putting us.
- [31:01]
Brandon
I'm not, to be honest. I'm into, like, a lot of thrash metal, and people are taking, like. There's a really cool one, Holy wars by Megadeth, and someone put it through AI and made it like this funk 60s song. And it translates so well. And what AI music is showing me is that some of these. It just goes to show how amazing these people are at songwriting. 50 Cent, for example, it's like, God damn it. Makes you really appreciate his songwriting, his lyrics and everything, for sure.
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Adam Thorne
And here's the thing. If you weren't into rap or ever were, it's so easy to dismiss, like, a gangster rapper, you know, he's like f bombing, saying the N word, all the rest of it, right? And talking about shooting people. And then it's got that kind of beat to it, too. But then when you play it through this filter and you put that soul in and the rest of the beat, yeah, all that language is the same. But now there's this new kind of emotion that has a class and a style that you'll accept. You're allow in and you're like, oh, this is what he was saying. And I resonate with this. Like, I feel what he was trying to say this whole time. Even though I've heard this song, I guess I wasn't listening to it before. So it kind of is. It's like an interesting way for people that would have never given that music a chance to hear what it is. And I bet that's gonna be the same thing for certain types of, you know, heavy metal and thrash metal type stuff, because there are plenty of people that just could never get into that kind of aggressive sound. It's a lot for some people. Right. It doesn't mean that it doesn't have an incredible talent behind it. Right?
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Brandon
Yeah. And when you just strip the song down to its bones and put a different coat of paint on it, people will like, oh, well, I do like that coat of paint. And, oh, I see what the. The. The musician, the artist was trying to do here and, oh, I. I appreciate it. I. I see it. I. I see what I couldn't see before. And yeah, I think my one issue with it is besides, like, the slop, like, not human element to it is like, there's no feel, really, especially when you're talking soul and funk. I feel like that's like a big element for me is like the human feel to the music.
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Adam Thorne
But yeah, I'll tell you what, though.
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Brandon
They fake it pretty good, pretty damn well, man.
- [33:38]
Adam Thorne
They're just like, oh, yeah, oh. And you're just like, man, I feel this. And then you realize that's just all a computer. None of that is real. This guy doesn't exist. He's not even a thing that exists.
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Brandon
I can't believe it's just as coming to a point where it's. It's crazy. And Elon talking about Grok too, with the roast and like, you can ask Rock to use, like, forbidden words and everything to roast people is crazy. And then was it this episode where Joe talks about how Ron White was using chat GBT to like, punch up material?
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Adam Thorne
No shit. I don't believe it was.
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Brandon
Yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Was it this episode?
- [34:24]
Brandon
All this AI talk is starting to bleed together, to be honest. Yeah, but.
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Adam Thorne
But yeah, it makes sense, dude. I mean, you know, you definitely. If I was doing stand up now, I used to have such a hard time writing like everyone always does, I would use chatgpt a shitload. I would have it Like I would take some of my five minute sets, I would put it in, I would be like, try and figure out a bit of my style, help me with a bit of a premise. I mean, I would use it a bunch. I think. I would imagine it's probably a pretty useful tool. Like you got to be careful that you're not having it lead you away from your voice, which is hopefully what you work towards, which is like that 10 year grind. But if you could stay clear of that and just keep it motivating you and keeping you working, I bet it could be really fucking useful. Yeah, I'm not surprised Ron White is using it. I'm sure some of these other guys are and they're not talking about it.
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Brandon
I agree. And I've tried it. I actually tried it after listening to that because I'm like, you know what, let me just fucking run some shit through ChatGPT. I ran my type 5 and I ran like a bit. I've been trying to make work forever and I'm just, I'm just tweaking it to death and I just can't figure it out. I put it all in CHAT gbt. I hated all of it. So maybe I just. It's, it's all about the joke. It's all about some of the other commands you put in as well. Make it more dark, make it more quirky on this line, change this. But yeah, I feel like stand up is one of those things where you can't really replicate through AI because stand up is all personality. It's all, it's very personal, right? And it's coming from a character. Like you build a character on stage, like Shane Gillis is a character who he is, you know, the frat bro, Fox News dad. What is an AI gonna like? We like it because we can relate to it. And of course never get delivery.
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Adam Thorne
For sure it'll never get delivery, but it will be, it's pattern recognition and plagiarism. So it will be able to notice patterns amongst other jokes that are like set up in similar ways. So it could structure that help you with that structure. It could also identify other comedians that write similar types of jokes as you to kind of help that type of formatting, you know, keep you on track there. And who knows how long will it be before you could upload literally your entire set so then it can see your cadence, your timing, all of that structure and then kind of help you alter that. I mean, think about it. Imagine if it could render a whole new set with you up There with perfect timing, with perfect cadence and like adjusting you. I mean, that's a little off, like into the future, but it's not out of the realm of total impossibility.
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Brandon
Imagine you go, hey, I'm doing a 30 minute set and I only have 15 minutes of material. Can you stretch out my whole set to 30? And I'm doing it to an older audience, so can it, you know, work for them? And then boom, you have a whole set. Who knows what the fuck this is going to look like? And to your point. Yeah. When it comes to one liner comics, I don't know, that's. That's a field that. Where it's not personal and it's more about the structure of the joke.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Brandon
I don't know, man.
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Adam Thorne
I mean, literally, if you wrote in give me original one liner jokes, like it would know all of the recorded one line jokes and it would just start to write other ones. Like, they wouldn't necessarily be that good. But that's the interesting thing about one liners. They don't actually have to be all that funny if it's original. They can be like a bit of a chuckle. It's more like how many of those you can rattle off in a minute.
- [38:44]
Brandon
What's hard with a lot of this too, and they talk about it a little bit on the episode is also like what the AI can say, you know, because dark humor chatgpt is not gonna say certain things, but at the.
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Adam Thorne
Same time, rock will.
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Brandon
Yeah, yeah. If you put in your joke and you're like, you know, make this funny, it's gonna just turn into a Jimmy Fallon monologue. But if you put your set into grok, it's gonna just be Kramer at the Laugh Factory, you know, so maybe one day there'll be a middle ground. But.
- [39:25]
Adam Thorne
And if you haven't seen that set, there will be a link in the box. No, there won't be. We're not gonna.
- [39:33]
Brandon
God, what a bomb that was. That was it.
- [39:35]
Adam Thorne
That was a bad day for that guy.
- [39:38]
Brandon
The bomb heard around the world.
- [39:40]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
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Brandon
Did you see the, you know, a bit of a side note. Did you see the apology thing where Jerry was on Letterman? Oh, yeah. And then Kramer, zoom called in and he's like, what I've done is unforgivable and I'm sorry. And the studio audience is laughing and Jerry goes, guys, it's not funny. Please be quiet. Yeah. And they're still laughing. One of the most awkward things I've seen on tv.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah. Because everyone's used to laughing at Kramer. So, like, the whole thing was just such a bad. Jerry obviously had to really pull some strings to make that happen. And, you know, the whole thing was just a total disaster.
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Brandon
Terrible. One of the worst apologies I've ever seen.
- [40:29]
Adam Thorne
Like, I don't. Yeah, I don't. If, if you were in that position, what do you think you would have done to try and work your way out of that?
- [40:40]
Brandon
Jesus. Well, first of all, I don't know what the fuck would have to be like going on in my headspace to have that Laugh Factory moment.
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Adam Thorne
It was a bad. I mean, I've had some rough weeks, but yeah, dude, at that point you.
- [41:00]
Brandon
Just go, what I've done is unforgivable. I'm going to go live on an island. Like, what the fuck do you say? I don't. I don't know.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah.
- [41:11]
Brandon
But yeah, I'm just going to live on an island and just do. Listen to Rogan do.
- [41:17]
Adam Thorne
Way that you could not say that you, at least at that moment and previously to that moment were clearly a racist. Yeah. Like, you clearly had negative feelings towards black people or if you were able to say that that many times. That's not just being angry. That's like really disliking a type of person.
- [41:42]
Brandon
Also dudes from the 60s. So I don't. I don't know.
- [41:47]
Adam Thorne
Oh, yeah. So maybe just different. That's makes a lot of more generations.
- [41:51]
Brandon
Yeah, we're talking about a different generation here. And he was also going through a lot of stuff because people were like taunting him and he had a show that didn't work with him.
- [42:02]
Adam Thorne
But you're a comedian. People with comedians, you know.
- [42:07]
Brandon
Well, it's like his whole thing, he had such a. Kramer had such. Michael Richards had such an ego man. And everyone's saying this guy was the funniest on Seinfeld. His career is going to explode. And then it just didn't go anywhere. He start. He had his own sitcom that tanked and then he decided to get into stand up and he's like, maybe I'll just do that. And then that never really went anywhere. And I've heard comedians talk about, like, even Adam Ray has talked about working with him. And you know, comics have said, yeah.
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He goes on stage and people laugh.
- [42:39]
Brandon
The first couple minutes, but then, you know, they're like, well, it's not. And then it kind of dies out because he's not a standup.
- [42:47]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
- [42:48]
Brandon
And then it just. All his whole world was starting to crack. Sitcoms weren't working out.
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- [42:54]
Brandon
His acting Career. He wasn't getting roles. Same thing with. I feel so bad. Call him George Costanza.
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Adam Thorne
George.
- [43:05]
Brandon
George. Even him, man. He, he was talking about wearing a toupee because no one would cast him because they're saying, oh, you're just going to be George. They're just gonna see you and think George. But anyway, that's a whole thing. Michael Richards. That'd be a. Or any of the Seinfeld cast I'd love to see on Rogan. That would be a, that would be a really interesting episode. But.
- [43:27]
Adam Thorne
Oh, Jason Alexander.
- [43:29]
Brandon
Yes. Fucking awesome. Awesome voice actor, awesome actor leading. Really.
- [43:36]
Adam Thorne
It was just, it was just Lorraine and Jerry that ever did anything afterwards.
- [43:43]
Brandon
Yeah. What was that called? The Seinfeld curse.
- [43:47]
Adam Thorne
That was never one of those.
- [43:49]
Brandon
Yeah, well, it was just the fact that no one was able to make a career besides Jerry. I think it was called the Seinfeld curse or something.
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Adam Thorne
Yeah, Elaine did what I call it Lorraine. I meant Elaine.
- [44:02]
Brandon
Elaine.
- [44:03]
Adam Thorne
Vp. VP was a big show, but I guess that was a lot a long time later.
- [44:08]
Brandon
Well, she got an Oscar for that, I'm pretty sure.
- [44:10]
Adam Thorne
And then what was her boyfriend? That like 20 eyed guy? He was, he was in Joe on Family Guy. Joe on Family Guy. I didn't he also do an American dad character, I think too.
- [44:30]
Brandon
He definitely had bigger roles. I. We're just like. He had some movie roles too, but he was the.
- [44:35]
Adam Thorne
Exactly. Yeah. So some of them did. But yeah, either way, I mean, I could imagine that that would really negatively impact you, but still, it really doesn't matter what's going on in your life. You don't get to go on stage and yell that that many times. And then if you do, I think the only thing you can do is go on TV and say, yeah, I said that. It's awful. I am terrible and I need to go live in a cabin. I'll see you in 10 years. I don't think that there's another thing you can say.
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Brandon
You can't say something where someone goes, well, I guess he does have a point there. What the are you supposed to say? Yeah, yeah.
- [45:18]
Adam Thorne
You have to go to every inner city black neighborhood and they throw like rotten vegetables at you until everyone feels a bit better.
- [45:30]
Brandon
Have you seen the south park episode on Kramer?
- [45:34]
Adam Thorne
Oh, where they do the Wheel of Fortune?
- [45:37]
Brandon
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Adam Thorne
Genius.
- [45:40]
Brandon
He's like, we're just reduced to being these N word guys and they act like, like repressed black people. It's so fucking great.
- [45:47]
Adam Thorne
It's, it's.
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Brandon
Well, I do, I do want to touch on, you know, before we wrap up, finish up on this, the Elon stuff, I do want to say I thought it was really interesting how he was talking about like how America is unfixable, which that was crazy.
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Adam Thorne
I think he's probably correct about it. I mean the interest alone is higher than our military spending. There seems to be no way to reduce that deficit. Nobody really even tries. It just keeps going up. Inflation's just going to keep doing it. It's like, yeah, kind of screwed and eventually something's going to pop.
- [46:32]
Brandon
And yeah, I've never heard of politician.
- [46:34]
Adam Thorne
He's the wealthiest guy in the world. Like he knows how money works. You don't accidentally get there. So for him to say that, that's alarming. It's scary stuff. Maybe AI can pull us out of this with some super AI thinking brain. But unless something intervenes. Yeah, we might be fucked on this one.
- [46:56]
Brandon
I've never heard a politician be like, well, unless we like Genghis Khan at. Which was just such a crazy point. Yeah, so, so he's pretty much just saying like, you know, the only way to help is to heavily focus on AI and robotics, which kind of a coincidence that it's what he specializes in. But he does have a point. He's pretty much saying we would have to change the system entirely. But the thing is there's no system to prepare us for AI and automation and it's us.
- [47:32]
Adam Thorne
Yeah.
- [47:33]
Brandon
And he's also like, which this is not just like him saying this but also birth rate needs to increase because you get more taxpayers, more people in the workforce. But we're not really seeing that right now. It's kind of hard.
- [47:47]
Adam Thorne
You need to also support the older generation too, right. You got to replace them and support them. So yeah, we're in, we're in some problems.
- [47:57]
Brandon
So we're not seeing an increase in birth rate and we're not seeing, you know, any system in place to help us with AI and automation. So who knows.
- [48:08]
Adam Thorne
But it's interesting, like many things we just sometimes got to just wait for it to happen and fall into it. It's like we can't know all the ways we're going to tackle it and until it happens. But like many revolutions of things, the industrial and so forth, the you know, agricultural, we, we, we work through it, we find a way to evolve into it. And I'm sure we do the same here. I'm hopeful.
- [48:39]
Brandon
Well, hopefully. Right. And hopefully what Elon says, where one day we can be in a high income economy which I would love to just be rich in Bali having like a sex spot blow me as spelling salts, but I'm not sure how possible that is, especially looking at what it is now. But them talking about in a high income economy, it's like, oh, if only I can, how awesome that would be. But we are so far from that. But anyway, 20 years away. Yeah, 20 years away. We're predicting it right here on the show. 20 years away. Right. So I thought, you know, pretty interesting episode, pretty solid. If I was to rate it, I don't know, for me, I'm just going to be honest. I thought this was like, entertaining, but to me, like the weakest Elon Rogan episode. I'd give it like a seven out of ten.
- [49:36]
Adam Thorne
I'm with you. Seven out of ten. I like Elon. I was into listening to it from start to finish, but did it leave me feeling super pumped and excited about all things? Not. Not so much. Not so much.
- [49:52]
Brandon
A little depressed a little bit.
- [49:54]
Adam Thorne
But still solid. Still solid. Hopefully. Hopefully I have some more hopeful things to talk about next time and less politics. I'd be down for that.
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Brandon
Well, Adam, my heart goes out to you and thank you.
- [50:07]
Adam Thorne
Thank you.
- [50:08]
Brandon
It was fun talking Rogan.
- [50:10]
Adam Thorne
Everyone else, thanks for listening and we will talk to you guys next time. Cheers, man.
- [50:14]
Brandon
See ya.