481 Joe Rogan Experience Review of Jelly Roll

Summary

Joe Rogan Experience Review: Episode 481 — Review of JRE #2424 with Jelly Roll

Main Theme / Purpose

This episode of the "Joe Rogan Experience Review" dives into Joe Rogan's interview with Jelly Roll (JRE #2424), a rapper turned country singer who has undergone a massive personal transformation, notably losing 300 lbs and overcoming addiction. Hosts Adam and Brandon break down the emotional arc of Jelly Roll's story, the impact on listeners, themes of self-improvement, mental health, and the powerful symbolism of his induction to the Grand Ole Opry. This review highlights the episode’s inspirational quality, candid discussions, and broader social significance for Rogan's audience.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jelly Roll’s Personal Transformation

• Weight Loss Journey:
  • Jelly Roll lost 300 lbs and discussed the immense changes this brought to his life.
  • The hosts emphasize how remarkable and motivational this is not only for Jelly Roll but for Rogan listeners too.
  • Quote [00:49] (Adam):
    “He’s gone on a massive journey of self discovery…It really speaks to a lot of the motivation that Rogan has been spitting out for the last 16 years.”
• Motivational Ripple Effect:
  • The episode prompted many fans to share their own stories of sobriety and weight loss in the comments.
  • Quote [03:06] (Brandon):
    “Most of the comments are people posting about their own weight loss and recovery journey…That just goes to show how impactful this is.”

2. Raw Honesty & Emotional Vulnerability

• Jelly Roll’s openness about his physical, emotional, and even sexual health left a mark on both hosts and listeners.
• The hosts defend Jelly Roll’s emotional expression, highlighting the courage required for such vulnerability.
• Quote [05:20] (Adam):
  “If a very impactful and emotional powerful moment has happened…and you’re willing to shed a tear—I mean, that’s actually very brave.”

3. Addiction, Food, and Biology

• Food Addiction Parallel to Drug Addiction:
  • Jelly Roll discussed how food addiction shares a biological root with his past drug addiction, leading to a deadly cycle of overeating.
  • The hosts learned new clinical insights about eating disorders from Joe and Jelly Roll’s conversation.
  • Quote [06:24] (Brandon):
    “The parallels between drug addiction and food addiction…Overeating is a biological thing…people just don’t know how to interrupt it.”
• Unique Challenge of Food Addiction:
  • Unlike substance addiction, you can’t quit food, making recovery more complex.
  • Quote [09:38] (Brandon):
    “You can never quit cold turkey. Unfortunately, you still have to eat it.”

4. Physical & Mental Health Reflections

• Effects of Weight Loss:
  • Jelly Roll shares he regained the ability to see colors vividly after quitting sugar, and how improved health affected his hormone levels and mental state.
  • Quote [11:44] (Brandon):
    “He started seeing color again. Like, better colors again. How insane is that?”
• No Finish Line in Self-Improvement:
  • Both hosts praise how Jelly Roll views his journey as ongoing, emphasizing lifelong growth over a singular transformation.
  • Quote [13:46] (Brandon):
    “I love the idea of we’re constantly improving…there’s no real finish line.”

5. Humility and Authenticity

• The hosts are struck by Jelly Roll’s humility, noting he never boasts about his achievements but remains grounded and honest.
• Quote [14:52] (Brandon):
  “He’s just so humble here. That was maybe my favorite part of this episode.”

6. Shortcut Myths & Mindset

• Conversation on weight loss surgeries and new drugs like GLP-1s, but both credit mindset and commitment as the real gamechanger.
• Quote [16:50] (Brandon):
  “You can’t just buy skinniness, you know what I mean?”
• Quote [17:18] (Brandon):
  “It’s the mindset that’s most important.”

7. The Power of Music as Healing

• Jelly Roll’s shift from rap to country is discussed as a way for him to be more expressive and introspective, using music for self-reflection and healing.
• Quote [19:05] (Brandon):
  “That’s why he went into country music…a better platform to be more expressive and introspective.”

8. Identity and Childhood

• Jelly Roll’s stage name is tied to his lifelong battle with weight and family history.
• Quote [20:34] (Brandon):
  “His mom is the one who named him Jelly Roll because he’s been big his whole life.”

9. Toxic Friendships and Mental Health

• Both Rogan and Jelly Roll discuss how friendships can be toxic and how breaking away from certain circles is crucial for positive change.
• Adam and Brandon reflect on their own social circles and the importance of surrounding oneself with supportive people.
• Quote [22:36] (Brandon):
  “People don’t realize when they’re in a toxic friendship…are you sure this person makes you happy?”

10. The Role of Podcasts in Wellbeing

• Podcasts offer community and comfort, helping listeners feel less alone.
• Quote [29:55] (Brandon):
  “It makes people not feel lonely…hearing people talk and feeling like you’re in that conversation…just makes me feel so much better.”

11. Achievements: Grand Ole Opry & Vatican Performance

• Grand Ole Opry Induction:
  • Highlighted as a huge, emotional milestone—Jelly Roll’s genuine reaction to being invited is described as one of the podcast’s most memorable moments.
  • Quote [35:13] (Brandon):
    “He throws his headphones across the room, gives Joe a hug…That is huge.”
• Performing at St. Peter’s Square:
  • Another massive achievement, with the hosts marveling that Jelly Roll was possibly the first modern artist to perform there.
  • Quote [39:00] (Brandon):
    “For Jelly Roll to be the first one to perform there, that’s crazy…He’s like my hand shaking with the mic and he sounded amazing.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Emotional Courage:
  Adam [05:20]: “If a very impactful and emotional powerful moment is happened…and you’re willing to shed a tear I mean, that’s actually very brave.”
• On Eating Disorder Mortality:
  Adam [08:04]: “Eating disorders are very complicated…they have the highest mortality rate of all.”
• On Jelly Roll’s Humility:
  Brandon [14:52]: “He really is so humble. And that was maybe my favorite part of this episode…there’s no point where I feel like he’s just, like, boasting or bragging.”
• On Changing Social Circles:
  Brandon [22:36]: “A lot of people have a lot of troubles identifying…who in their life are bad friends…They don’t want to lose anybody, and have such a hard time turning people away.”
• On the Power of Podcasts:
  Brandon [29:55]: “Just putting on a podcast and just hearing people talk and feeling like you’re in that conversation…just makes me feel so much better.”

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Important Timestamps

• Weight loss journey, impact on fans: [00:49] – [03:06]
• Open emotional honesty & overcoming addiction: [05:01] – [09:47]
• Food addiction’s unique challenges & biology: [09:38] – [10:13]
• Physical recovery & no “finish line” in self-improvement: [13:46] – [15:34]
• Music as therapy & personal identity: [18:04] – [21:19]
• Toxic friendships & mental health: [21:26] – [27:24]
• Podcasts’ role in social connection: [28:50] – [31:16]
• Grand Ole Opry induction & St. Peter’s Square performance: [34:06] – [39:00]
• Final reflections, highest rating: [41:29] – [42:27]

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Overall Tone and Ratings

• The hosts are enthusiastic, inspired, and deeply moved by Jelly Roll’s story, repeatedly referring to the episode as one of the most touching and motivational in JRE’s history.
• Rating:
  • Both Adam and Brandon rate the JRE episode a 9 out of 10—highlighting it as a standout even among a strong week of podcasts.
  • Quote [41:35] (Brandon): “Nine out of ten.”
  • Quote [41:37] (Adam): “It’s a f***ing nine out of ten all day.”
  • Highest rating they’ve ever given in the review podcast.

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Conclusion

This review underscores why Jelly Roll’s conversation with Joe Rogan resonates so widely—his vulnerability, continued growth, and musical renaissance serve as inspiration. The review also widens the focus to include discussions on the biology of addiction, the underestimated value of supportive friendships, and the way podcasts foster connection and community in modern life. Key takeaways:

• Transformation is possible at any stage, especially when tackled with humility and openness.
• Mental health hinges as much on social environment and personal mindset as any physical self-improvement.
• Small acts of honesty and getting the right support network can be as pivotal as major milestones.

For anyone interested in stories of resilience or the deeply human side of the Rogan universe, both the original JRE episode and this review are not to be missed.

Transcript

[A]

You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review.

[B]

What a bizarre thing we've created now.

[A]

With your host, Adam Thorne.

[B]

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[A]

Or the best one. One go.

[B]

Enjoy the show. What's up, guys? Welcome back to a new episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. We're Talking about episode 2424 with Jelly Roll. This is a rapper who eventually turned into a country singer, and this was a pretty inspirational episode. He talks about his weight loss journey here and where he's at in his career right now. I thought this was a fantastic episode, one of the best ever from the Joe Rogan Experience, and there's a lot to dive into. Adam, did you feel the same way about this episode?

[A]

Yeah, and I, you know, I. It was kind of surprising because Jelly Roll has been on now, what is it, three or four times often when guests start coming on a bunch of times, and I think we talked about it recently, they just become like, real chummy. It just becomes like a little chummy catch up. It's like, oh, I'm one of the comedians from the club that just, you know, pops in and talks about current events. But he had a real huge update, and it was that he's lost, you know, 300 pounds. He's gone on a massive journey of self discovery kind of all in the time that he's known Rogan. And it's. It really speaks to a lot of the motivation that Rogan has been spitting out for the last 16 years. You know, it's like, get moving, get in shape, you know, get rolling. You don't need to be a certain way forever. And. And also, Rogan's not the kind of guy that, like, preaches it to be like, hey, if you are fat, you suck. Like, if you are one way, you're a loser. It's not any of that with him. He just says, if you don't feel good about yourself, try these things and you might feel better. And that's. That's so much of the message of Rogan, which I really like too. That's also very important. It's like, hey, be yourself if you're comfortable, and if you don't feel good, try these things. Jelly Roll didn't feel good. He felt bad about himself. He wasn't performing, you know, he wasn't showing up for his wife the way that he wanted to or just in his life. He was just. I don't know, he felt like he was almost dying. So he made these changes and, you know, he spent, what, two and A half hours talking about how much better everything is. It's undeniable.

[B]

It really is. And you know, I want to jump into this real quick, but some of the comments here and some of the fan reception, most of the comments are people posting about their own weight loss and recovery journey. Literally the top comment is someone saying, I'm not Jelly Roll, you know, but I did lose £500 last year. I'm sitting at 296. Over 200 lost. It's just. And all these 25 years sober, going two years and seven months sober. That's. This is the whole common section, you know, and that just goes to show how impactful this is. I saw comments also where people were saying, wow, this was the episode where I learned that I need to ask for help. This was a major impact. This was a notable episode for sure. I touched on this on the other episode we did this week. Every week we're going to be posting double now where we kind of just do a whole week in review. And we covered this episode a little bit. But wow, like, this story from Jelly Roll was really touching. Like, and it seemed like it affected everybody because it was so genuine. Like he, he really speaks with this like, level of humanity and just like he's so exposed here and he really just like puts it all out there. Like he, he explains everything in quite a lot of detail. He jumped. He goes into his sex life too. How, how his, how his weight affected that. Like he just puts it all out there. And it was just so crazy to hear he lost 300 pounds. How insane is that? And he said he has 35 pounds of extra skin on him, which is just, it's. Wow.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, I thought this was an amazing episode. I really did. And I've seen people online be like, well, he's just crying too much. It's like, dude, if you were in his shoes, like, don't tell me you'd be sitting there straight faced the whole time. You know what I mean?

[A]

And also, like, can we, like, why are we judging a guy? Like, look, if you're crying over nothing, sure, if, if, if a grown man cries because he gets a speeding ticket, you know, or he drops his ice cream, yes, that's not an appropriate time to cry, you know, or his helium balloon floats away at the fair. It's like, no, that's not the appropriate time. But if you, if a very impactful and emotional powerful moment is happened that maybe involves you or other people that you love and you're willing to shed a tear I mean, that's actually very brave. I'm pretty sure most people see it that way. The few people that are like, that's dumb. What a. That it's pretty clear that they are missing the point.

[B]

Yeah, well, he's not. Also, it's not the fact that he just steps on the scale, looks at the number, and starts sobbing. You know, it's like, it's. It's really what these things mean. There's so many layers to this, especially where he's talking about where he goes on a run, you know, in the pouring rain, and his family is cheering him on. He's like, they had no reason to do that with everything I've let them down with. And here they are. Like, there's. There's. There's so many personal elements to this where it's like, don't pretend that, like, it's like, it's. Whatever. This. He went through such an insane journey here. I thought some of the subjects about overeating and the role food plays when it comes to trying to lose weight was very interesting. And it's something I. I didn't really know about when it comes to, like, the parallels between drug addiction and food addiction. He's. He's had both issues. He. He. He has been a drug addict, even very young in his life. And, you know, overeating is a biological thing, and he didn't know how to interrupt it. And he talks about the. That process of realization and how he fixed it. You know, a lot of people who struggle with overeating don't know that that's a. It's a biological problem. And, and they're just stuck in this deadly rhythm of, like, they're never full. It's like, I'll just kill a box of cookies. It, you know, it's. It's. It's crazy. And it's something that I'm really glad they shine light on, because I had no idea, you know?

[A]

Yeah. Eating disorders are very complicated. And in the world of kind of like therapy and psychology, they're a scary one because they have the highest mortality rate of all. And that's something that people don't realize. Sometimes they think that, oh, be like schizophrenia or, you know, some kind of psychosis. Right. That would be like, the craziest ones. But no, the ones that lead to the most dire outcomes are the eating disorders, honestly. So the, the things that happen in that world, that life, that thought process. And Joe brings it up too. That. And it's really cool that Joe brought it up, because I'D never heard of it from anybody else. He's like, the really tricky thing is, unlike other addictions that you can just get rid of because they serve no purpose like gambling or drinking or other drugs. It's like, you have to eat food. So now you can only eat a bit of food or a certain type of food, yet all the rest of the food is right next to the other food in all the places that sell foods, except maybe a gas station.

[B]

You can never quit cold turkey. Exactly. Unfortunately, you can never quit cold turkey. Unfortunately, you still have to eat it.

[A]

Right?

[B]

You know what I mean? Exactly.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. Which really does highlight a whole different dimension of, like, what they have to go through. And it's. And just, you know, it just gives you. It just gave me a whole different, like, respect for what, you know, Jelly Roll had to go through or anyone with the eating disorders has to, like, you know, struggle with.

[B]

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[A]

Well, I mean, Joe said it best. It's like, let's go back to the color thing. It's like, I don't know the mechanisms that I'd never heard of that before, but I think Joe had a good point. You know, it's like why we get gray hair as we get old. You know, our body is like, fuck trying to keep this guy having really nice dark hair. It's like, forget the color. We're just trying to keep this guy alive. You're lucky you even have hair. So forget your eyes even working when you are just covered in inflammation. It's like, just keep you moving. Like, thank God your heart works, right? Which honestly though, it speaks to a lot of things. It's like, how can you expect a lot of your systems to be functioning well if the body responds in that way? It's like, if hair color is a luxury, if I being able to see, you know, different colors is a luxury, what other things are a luxury? Is mental health a luxury? I'm sure it is to the point of, you know, your body surviving.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I thought all those physical aspects of it were interesting. And also like just the motivation he had to keep going as well. Because this wasn't all just self reflective. And I was this way. It sucked. Like, I really liked how he was still talking in the perspective of how he's still on this journey. You know, where he's talking about Joe at the gym, he's like, I'm going to be doing what you're doing next time I'm on this podcast, you know, with the kettlebells, how he's talking about going on hunts, know, which was a big subject here in this conversation, how he wants to get into hunting and everything. And I thought that was cool. The, the how like, you know, having that perspective of you're not just done. Just because you got over and you lost all this weight doesn't mean you can just sit there and be like, I did it. You know, look at me, look how better I am. I did it. Like, yeah, I love the idea of like, we're constantly improving. We're constantly having to work on ourselves and that there's no real finish line. You know what I mean? And I think that mindset is really great to have and to see that come from Jelly Roll, because I've seen so many of these weight loss things where the guy loses a bunch of weight and he's like, look how better I am than you are, you know? And it's like, cool, man, you know? But he's just so humble here. He really is so humble. And that was maybe my favorite part of this episode, how just, like, how honest and humble he is about everything in this, you know, there's no point where I feel like he's just, like, boasting or bragging when it comes to all because it's impressive, man. This is some seriously impressive stuff that he's conquered, but it just feels so down to earth and humble.

[A]

Dude, I can't imagine losing £300. I. I will say it right now. I do not think that I have the ability to do that. Like, I've done some difficult things in my life. I don't know what it takes to gain that weight, but I could imagine that once I would get there, I. I could not do that type of challenge, and very few people can. And also. Also think about it. It's not just that he has the luxury of being like this superstar. It doesn't always make it easier when you're a superstar as well.

[B]

Exactly. Because.

[A]

Because you also get the silver spoon. Then he can take all the easy routes. You know, he can just surround himself with yes men and take the easy routes. But he didn't do that.

[B]

Also, Ralphie May, that was a great point, too, where he was talking about the triple. By the. Was it a triple bypass? I think. But how. It's just. There's no real shortcut here. You just have to just get down and dirty with it. You have to just bite the bullet, you know?

[A]

Didn't they stomach, like, five times as well? Yeah.

[B]

Yes. They tr. It's in. It just never worked. You. You have to be committed. You can't just buy skinniness. You know what I mean?

[A]

Well, you can now with GLP1s.

[B]

That is true. Yeah, you can. Ralphie May. That's like, what are we talking the early 2000s there? The. Yeah, He.

[A]

He was before that.

[B]

Well, there's also, like, OIC now and everything.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Which I'm not. I think we're getting some of the effects of that now. And I. I'm hearing that there's some side effects that maybe aren't amazing. And I just feel like at the end of the day, it's like just. It's the mindset that's most important, you know, And. Well, this was a great example, I thought.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, look, it's. Whatever message he's received worked for him, and I think what he's doing very well is he is reciprocating that message, I think, in an almost more powerful way. And to be fair, who better to do it than a very good songwriter, Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I don't know if there's, like, actually a new song coming out that he's about to write. Not about, oh, I lost £300, but like, something powerful like that. Because songs are powerful. Like, you're. You're big into music. You love that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If he could somehow weave it in and put that kind of jelly roll spin on it, you know, all of his vibe, all of his energy, all the coolness, you know, the realism, but, like, hit it with, like, the pain and the truth and just smash it out of the stadium. I mean, stuff like that is something that someone that struggles to get out of the bed or get to gym or, you know, eat anything other than McDonald's could listen to every day and find that little piece.

[B]

Exactly. And that's why he went into country music, because it was a better platform to him to be more expressive and introspective. That's. That's why he said he went into it, you know, and there was a song they played on the podcast that's a great example of that, you know, because I feel like with a lot of rap, it's like, yeah, there's. There's a lot of, like, bragging, you know, I'm like, I'm. You know, I got, like, a MasterCard where this is like. He just wants to kind of just talk about his life. He. He wants to reflect on things. He wants to. And I. I think that's a great platform for it. Country music also. A lot of his heroes were as well, but I can 100 see that. I can see him definitely diving into this, like, lyrically and pulling a lot of song ideas out of this. A lot of these struggles, a lot of these realizations, you know, with raising kids and everything, having to deal with the weight. I just thought it was crazy how he was talking about his sex life, and then he's like, oh, wow, I have. I have testosterone again, you know?

[A]

Yeah. What did he say is his testosterone level was like, 30?

[B]

Yeah, it was. It was. I think it was 30. Yeah, it was something crazy.

[A]

Yeah, that sounds super low.

[B]

And he had high estrogen too. Right?

[A]

Man must have felt like with that.

[B]

Yeah. The thing is, you know, his whole life he's, he's been big, you know, so he didn't know a life without that. His mom is the one who named him Jelly Roll because he's been big his whole life.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You know, and then it became a nickname and then he decided, I'll just make it my stage name, you know?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's like, it's, it's not just some random rap name generator or anything. It's, it's, it's like literally his identity. He was, he just loved eating jelly rolls and he was fat, you know, and this is just, it's so crazy how far he's come. It really is in such a short time. When's the last time he was on jre? Like.

[A]

Wasn'T that long ago. Yeah.

[B]

And he was so much bigger. Yeah.

[A]

Less than six months, I think.

[B]

Crazy. It really. It just goes to show, it doesn't have to take a lifetime to get from point A to point B here. You know, if you have the mindset, you can do it. Yeah. And, and it's not just about weight too. I, I loved how he was also talking about toxic friendships and how they don't, people don't realize they're in a relationship when it comes to a friendship because everyone knows toxic girlfriends, toxic boyfriends. But a lot of people like don't realize when they're in a toxic like, friendship, you know, because it's like, oh, it's just my friend. We're just around and stuff. But it's like, do you, are you sure this person makes you happy? You know, Are you sure this person just doesn't bring you down and the, the negativity bleeds onto you on into your day to day life. I thought that was a really interesting point by him as well as just talking about how he wants more friends like, you know, Joe. Maybe not Peter Teal, you know, but more friends like Joe. People who work out, you know, positive people. The outdoor boys, you know, we're talking about too. It's like, yeah, just that vibe, you know, And I, I like, I see that and right now in my life, you know, it's like I, I hang around with a bunch of comics. A lot of them are just terrible people. And I, I feel like I'm at this point where like I am building a little circle of like, just people who, I just feel good around, people who like to create people who Just are positive, you know? And it just makes me just feel like a better person. It makes me feel, like, better and more energized and happier in life instead of just like, smoking weed and be like, I want to end it all, you know, with, like, all these just miserable people. I. I feel like that's a really underrated subject of, like, mental health and just, like, injury. We just.

[A]

We just brush it off, dude.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

It's like you. You identify it, move on and good for you, and. And that's a great move. And then it's not even talked about as a narrative. It's just like. And even if you tried to, most people, they'd be like, what are you even talking about? Like, yeah, just don't hang out with those guys. But shouldn't it be okay to talk about, like, the incredible toll that it took or, like, how close you got to just wiping yourself out?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Let me ask you this then, since we're talking about it. When was. When was the last, like, identification of, like, a really shitty interaction? And don't name names, but, like, just someone that you're like, yeah, I enjoy you. You're part of my circle, but I just cannot do it. This is gonna be a mess.

[B]

My friend Ethan. No, I, like, there's. There's been a couple times where, like, you know, I. I feel like what's nice with comics is like, you know, what's good about my friendship with, like, a lot of comedians I'm friends with are the fact that, like, just honesty, you know, I. I feel like there's. There's a lot of comics I talk to who just, like, they. They don't put on this, like, facade or anything, and anytime they feel a certain way, they'll say something. And that's something I really do, like, with comedy. But, like, a good thing I had was with. I honestly, like, some of my closest friends, you know, also do comedy. And. Yeah, just like, being honest about our feelings and just. I had a friend, like, going through something recently, and he, like, opened up to me about it, and it was just cool. It's like, damn, you trust me. You know, it's like, it makes me really. I feel like, cemented our friendship, you know, that's solid. Instead of me going like, you're a. Even though there's plenty of that. I still did, but. But no, like, I. It's still. At the same time, it's like, well, you're meeting.

[A]

That's important, right?

[B]

And just being open, and it's like, yeah, it's like it's funny to joke about, you know, it's, it's a way to like vent. I do it. People I know have done it. But at the same time, like some people like, you know, are down bad, bad, you know, and just need to be like, hey man, shit just fucking sucks for me right now. And I've been like, yeah, man, if you just need to talk to me, if you want to hang out, whatever I can do to help, I'm here for you. And that makes them feel better. That makes me feel better in a sense because it's like, wow, this person gives a shit enough about me where they're reaching out to me. This is a real friend right here and I want to be there for them. Fake friends, dude. They don't give a, you know, if, if you don't want to go out drinking, you don't, they don't give a flying about you, man. There's some shitty ass people. You ask one favor and they're gone, you know, and then they're bitching at you that you, you know, come on, you're only drinking six beers tonight. You know, it's, it's, there's some as people out there, but I don't know, it's, it's. It's hard. A lot of people have a lot of troubles identifying that. A lot of trouble like identifying who in their life are bad friends. Because some people, and this is a whole can of worms where they've, they've had such a rough childhood and everything where every friend, they just, they don't want to lose anybody, you know, and, and they have such a hard time turning people away and turning their back to certain people, no matter how terrible of these people may be. There's a lot of psychology in there, I think. I'm not sure how you feel about that, but I think that's a major problem with a lot of people. I agree.

[A]

I mean, being able to identify people that are dragging you down is difficult because there are levels of things, right? There's loyalty, there's what's fun, there's what's comfortable, what's familiar. There's also what direction you're heading. And sometimes the direction you're heading, especially if you're trying to level up like jelly roll, is like thinner, more sober, you know, more exercise, you know, less party. It might be a direction that is unfamiliar, so it might feel scary. Therefore, even the people you're interacting with that are doing that, that are the, those that you would, that you should be connecting with feel kind of strange. So you got to be brave. You got to go there. Whereas the more comfortable people, like, hey, dude, I know those guys are weird, but also, I love that you're losing weight, but those guys are weird. Just come to the bar, have a couple of drinks, like the old times. It's like a lot of those sorts of things are happening along that journey. Yeah, it's. It's just very true. You know, it's all part of that process, and it's a. It's a sneaky bitch.

[B]

And when it comes to this podcast, you know, the Joe Rogan experience, I never really hear that being talked about at all, you know, when it comes to toxic friends and toxic friendships, and it was just such a. I. I feel like there were so many great bits to this pod, like that, you know, about being a father as well. Yeah. Also the whole idea of, like, the role podcasts play and how podcasts are healthy because it. It makes people not feel lonely. You know what I mean? That was a. That was a whole subject talked about in this episode, which I thought it was interesting because there's been points where I've been away from friends, I've been busy. I haven't really had time to talk to anybody or hang out, and just putting on a podcast and just hearing people talk and feeling like you're in that conversation, you know, just makes me feel so much better. And I. I think podcasting is just such a great thing and plays such a good role in society.

[A]

Yeah, I. And I definitely agree with that. I think there is something that's very comforting. You know, I think podcasts get a bad rap because it's. It's kind of like the Wild west of, you know, the uncontrolled media that's super popular. And because of that, you get some wacky characters. You know, you get the Nick Fuentes is. You get the Alex Joneses. You get people that have their own ideas that are just hammering it, but you get also a lot of other great ideas. And I think it is very comforting for people to just be able to connect with and listen and fill in their day. It's better than cable television, you know, doesn't have the propaganda of commercials. You don't have to listen to Toyota tell you something 50 times, though, to be fair. Like, there's still a lot of commercials now with podcasting, but, you know. But it's also not. Yeah, but it's also not run by a network.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Has its own agenda. You know, there's a freedom to it, there's a wildness to it. I think that that is really appealing. It does, it does make you feel like you're in the room.

[B]

Yeah, it does.

[A]

It does help people feel like you are part of the conversation. Exactly, exactly.

[B]

It, the thing is, what's great is it's like, you know, if with. When it comes to sponsorships, it's not like, man, great, would love to sponsor you, but just don't talk about Israel. You know, it's not like that where, where sponsorships like, need to make sure you're talking about, you're not talking about certain things. It's not like network television at all. Like that story of Bill Hicks got canned during his last performance at David Letterman because he had a pro life bit and there was a pro life sponsor, so they just cut his performance. It's not like that at all. With podcasting, people say whatever they want and then there's just an ad. And that's what's great about. It's so free form flow conversation. It's just great. It's great content. I, I love podcasts. I listen to a bunch.

[A]

I mean, I would like what you're saying, but I. There's definitely ads we don't get because of the podcast.

[B]

For sure. For sure.

[A]

There are definitely ads we don't get because of the audience that they assume we have. There are definitely ads we don't get because of content that they think that we will cover.

[B]

That's a good.

[A]

But honestly, also, yeah, it's not quite as directed that way. You know, it's like we could have, we could have an ad campaign and then for the next six months during that campaign, if it just happened to be that we were reviewing Rogan and he was completely diminishing that particular subject, we could be talking about it. I mean, what was ironic is Rogan had a lady on that was talking about how therapy wasn't that good because it encourages people to just talk about their problems. And at the same time he was sponsored by BetterHelp and it didn't seem to be an issue with that.

[B]

Yeah, like, like I think if this podcast was just called Adam and Brandon Talk, then everything would really be on the table no matter what we talk about, you know? But yeah, and unfortunately, due to the name of the podcast, there might, there might be a little restrictions there.

[A]

Yeah, but if it was named that nobody would have listened to in the first place. We don't know responses.

[B]

So it's a double edged sword, really.

[A]

We're not that interesting, dude. It Wouldn't have picked up enough speed.

[B]

I hate to say it. Well, I think we should talk about the Grand Opry and also.

[A]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[B]

At the end of the podcast, there was that. Which was one of the big may yet the biggest moment of the podcast. Not. Not maybe the. The biggest moment, like, getting accepted into it. That. That is the. The, like, the biggest honor in country music. This dude was a rapper. He has face tattoos. He was in prison. You know, it's a trendy. A lot of people see it as where, oh, he's a country singer now. From rap. It's just a gimmick. You know, it. The music doesn't mean anything. Getting that invite, joining the Grand Oy is huge, and I think says a lot. I think that's massive. And I feel like when it comes to, like, country rap stuff, it's on the map now. It's real. It's. It's not this. This weird trend experiment. It's legit, I think.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Cemented it fully. But crazy. And just seeing his reaction, he throws his headphones across the room, gives Joe a hug. Dude, whatever you have to say, if I was a country singer and. And that happened to me, I. I would react the same way. That is huge. And a lot of people don't realize that because they just. They're kind of more familiar with the rap stuff, and they know Morgan Wallen and all this stuff, and they don't realize, you know, Jelly Roll's roots. And when it comes to his inspirations come from, like, the Highwaymen, they come from Johnny Cash and all the outlaw country. And that is the pinnacle that is. That is the, you know, Gran O Opry, the history in country music that's connected to that place. So cool to see a reaction like that on air, like, live.

[A]

I mean, this is your world, dude. Like, you're. You're speaking and you're educating me as you speak. And I know you know what you're talking about, because I know your background with music. Like, literally, if I have a music question, I know that I can just text you. You're. And you save me even having to Google it, because I wouldn't even know. You know what it's like when you trying to look something up and ChatGPT is just giving you an answer that reflects how shitty your own prompt was. But if you know someone that knows, it's like they're in the music game, they know it, you just throw it out there. They give you every. Every piece of that information that you need to know. It's like there are just people that understand certain aspects. You can just kind of like send it out to them. You're one of those guys. You're the music end for sure of this podcast always. I love that you see this in him, you know, to me, he's just a guy that comes on that's really inspirational. I like some of his songs. I listen to him sometimes, you know, that's really all Jelly Roll is to me. But hearing all this background and these other pieces connected and like filling in this human being on all these levels and also hearing that Cam Haynes is willing to be like, this guy's dope. I'm taking him out hunting. I'm like, cam Haynes is not hanging out with just anybody here.

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

That I know for sure.

[B]

Yeah. This is the year Jelly Roll. It seems with that man. The performance at St. Peter's Square. Was it.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Like, yeah. Let's look in one of the. The first performer.

[A]

Vatican performance.

[B]

Yeah. Insane.

[A]

Yeah. Hard fought Hallelujah with choir.

[B]

Insane. Holy insane. The first ever go to it. Probably.

[A]

Probably did.

[B]

He probably had box seats.

[A]

Yeah. No, he had his little pope bubble.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just like, can't shoot the pope, dude.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That's unbelievable. That's very cool. And you know, if you think about it, if that's the first. First one of those, the fact that he was there is pretty fucking progressive, dude. And there was really the look, you know, that you would imagine.

[B]

Dude, that thing has been around for a lot of music's timeline. You know, Led Zeppelin, the Beatles. You have to realize how many bands came and went while St. Peter's Square existed. And for Jelly Roll to be the first one to perform there, that's crazy. That's just so insane. And he was talking about. He's like, why? He's like, there has to be a mistake. There has to be a typo. Was I invited tickets? What is happening? There's no re way. I am the performer on this show. And yeah, he was. And you know, looking at the video, he's like my. My hand shaking with the mic and he sounded amazing. He said he's like talking about blacking out during his performance. Like blacking out in the aspect of like. It's just so crazy. You don't remember it. I thought was some really cool commentary by him. Wow. Just what a. What a year for him.

[A]

Unreal.

[B]

Seriously, I love it. The year of Jelly Roll.

[A]

What a legend. Well, keep it going, buddy. Keep it going. Stay thin. Keep getting thinner. Go on more of those hunts. Do the long hunts, you know, do the camping ones that you were talking about.

[B]

Keep watching the outdoor boys.

[A]

Yeah, well, 100%. And, you know, keep inspiring others. Like, you're. You know, the message doesn't just need to be the music. It can be like, do it yourself and show others. I mean, at this point, if you can lose that much weight, really, you're in. I mean, I don't know if there's anyone that could lose more weight, really. So you're really covering everyone that is at the fattest level of really fat people, to be honest.

[B]

So don't tell.

[A]

Yeah. So you're helping everyone potentially. There's no excuse there, so. Well, there is. I mean, it's really hard. I'm not saying there's not an excuse, but, like, you're showing them the path and you're getting them pumped about it. Like, let's go. I mean, it's just fucking beautiful stuff, dude.

[B]

It.

[A]

It's really cool. Well done.

[B]

Very inspiring.

[A]

What do you rate this one out of ten?

[B]

Nine out of ten.

[A]

Dude, it's a fucking nine out of ten all day.

[B]

Nine out of ten.

[A]

Is this the highest one we rent?

[B]

Highest one so far.

[A]

It's gotta be.

[B]

Highest one so far, man. Jelly roll. Who would have guessed? Jelly rolls? The one nine out of ten.

[A]

Wow. Yeah. And you know what? Honestly, when you hit me up about this one this week, I. I was pumped about it. I do like jelly roll, but I did not expect this to be a nine out of ten.

[B]

You know why? You know why? Didn't think it would be the. The reason this was the one is because the first thing I saw was the. The grand old Opry clip, and I'm like, we have.

[A]

You already knew that.

[B]

I'm like, we have to talk about this. There was some bangers this week, though, but that was. This was. Wow. What a good week for this podcast. Seriously.

[A]

This is great. All right, folks. Ring roll, spring roll, slim roll. Thank you so much for listening. We appreciate you as always, Brandon. You're a legend. We will talk to you guys next week.