486 JRE Review - 2025 Year End Recap!

Summary

Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast

Episode 486 – 2025 Year End Recap!
Originally aired: January 6, 2026
Hosts: Adam Thorne, Peter

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Overview: A Reflective Recap of Joe Rogan’s 2025 in Podcasting

This episode delivers a lively, critical, and affectionate year-end review of the Joe Rogan Experience through the lens of its dedicated companion show. Adam Thorne and returning co-host Peter revisit the highlights, controversies, and evolutions in Rogan’s ever-expanding universe. The conversation bounces between numbers, fan sentiment, guest moments, and the overall state of the podcast, maintaining an irreverent, candid tone throughout.

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Key Themes and Discussion Points

The Changing “Energy” of Rogan & His Audience

• Long-Term Evolution:

  • The hosts reflect on how Rogan’s topics and energy have shifted after 15-16 years on the air. Earlier episodes featured stoner talk, comedy, fringe conspiracies; recent years are marked by “more serious” or “angrier” themes (“AI gonna kill us all”, “elite government” conspiracies).
  • Adam: “Back then it was just smoking weed, talking to comedians… not so much the government ones… not so angry about things.” [03:00]
  • Peter: “It seems like he had more fun up until about 2016.” [04:03]

• Audience Perception:

  • There’s a sense that older fans hear Rogan differently today, as both he and the world have changed.
  • Both note Rogan faces more “pressure” as the “most-listened-to human ever.” [04:49]

Rogan’s Influence and Controversial Reach

• Cultural & Political Impact:

  • Adam and Peter riff on Rogan's ability to "sway elections," both humorously and semi-seriously, even suggesting butterfly-effect-level geopolitical consequences.
  • Adam: “He’s the most listened to human being that has ever existed... Swaying elections in countries like the United States.” [04:16–05:06]
  • Peter: “The most listened to human ever. That is… a huge achievement.” [04:41]

• Platform Numbers:

  • Over 2 billion views across major podcast platforms in 2025. Despite “dwindling” numbers on some episodes, Rogan remains the clear #1 globally.
  • Adam: “Even if he is on a bit of a downswing... he’s still going to be holding that top spot for a while.” [09:31]

• Deals and Money:

  • Discussion over Rogan’s renewed Spotify deal: more rights, posting to Apple and YouTube, uncertainty over which side got the better bargain.
  • Notable episodes, like the Elon Musk (50M+ views) and Trump (1M downloads/day) shows, still outperform most internet content. [08:04]

Fan Culture: Shifting Sentiments, “Sellout” Critiques

• Fan Frustration:

  • Through emails and subreddit sentiment, Adam notes an increase in fan pushback, especially around Rogan’s proximity to “billionaires” and shift in interview priorities.
  • Adam: “There is some frustration with…the billionaires that he has on him, buddying up to them. People see that as a bit of a sellout move.” [13:08]
  • Adam claims Rogan’s not above criticizing powerful guests, e.g., “he was just recently talking some shit about Trump going off the deep end.” [13:12]

• Shift from Platform Promotion to “Grifter” Concerns:

  • Rogan’s history of launching successful podcasts (e.g., Two Bears One Cave, Huberman Lab, Lex Fridman, Theo Von, Jocko, Steve Rinella) is acknowledged.
  • However, many now see Rogan’s platform as also enabling “grifter” or “irrelevant” acts.
  • Peter: “They have just milked that thing and are no longer relevant. And they’re not funny—maybe never were.” [14:35–15:09]

State of Comedy Spin-Offs: “Kill Tony” and Stand-Up Scene

• Kill Tony:

  • The “bucket pull” format is dissected; it’s always been about roasting amateurs, and the hosts defend it as more “entertainment” than select for stand-up purists.
  • Adam: “It was kind of set up to be a cruel show in a sense, unless the person was kind of good.” [19:32]
  • The rise of live shows at Mothership (Rogan’s Austin venue) and the way these formats play with authenticity and “shock and awe.” [20:28]

• Stand-Up Community:

  • Stories about comics like Harlan Williams, Jeremiah Watkins, and Mitzi Shore (legendary Comedy Store owner), including audience and host perspectives.
  • Peter on Harlan Williams: “He makes you cringe... but he was hilarious.” [21:21]

Deep Dive: Notable JRE Episodes of 2025

Elon Musk (#2281, Feb 2025)

• “A three hour banger” (Adam) that covered Dogecoin, government audits, money laundering, and a “black eye” conspiracy (the infamous “Black Eye Club” theory riffed on humorously). [25:06–27:56]
• Adam: “He’s the richest guy in the world, and people more powerful than him were like, whack, shut up.” [26:35]
• Notable for Rogan’s “pushback” against Elon’s frustration over protests at Tesla dealerships.

Mel Gibson (#2254)

• Discussion of Mel’s partial Hollywood redemption, his conspiracy-laced critiques of Tinseltown, and his new sobriety.
• “If you’re drinking and also find yourself saying some outrageous things, cut back. That’s your first sign.” (Adam) [32:02]

Mark Zuckerberg

• The “Zuckerberg 2.0” illusion shattered when Rogan “called him out” for lacking basic bowhunting knowledge despite a rebrand as the “cool Zuck.”
• Adam: “You can’t bullshit Rogan. Not on bow hunting.” [34:05]
• Comparison to “Bezos 2.0,” who succeeded at the rebrand.

Bernie Sanders (#2341, June 2025)

• Rogan’s enduring respect for Bernie, with “solid” back-and-forth on wealth inequality and climate change.
• Adam: “Bernie brought up some points that were pretty decent, honestly. Just about the wealth inequality… the very richest people freaking have all the money and everyone else is just broke.” [38:31–39:13]

Shane Gillis (December 2025)

• Recap of Gillis’ “comedy gold,” discussion on “woke mob,” Trump’s White House antics, and riffing on “ridiculous” revisions to presidential history plaques. [41:10–41:41]

Jelly Roll (December 2025)

• The country/rap star’s major weight loss (claimed “250 pounds”), transformation, and candid emotional moments.
• Adam: “He really talked… honestly… said I was going to die.” [45:54]
• Discussion of health advocacy, Mitzi Shore’s legacy, and the motivating, inspirational effect of Rogan’s fitness messaging.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Rogan’s Influence:
  • Adam: “He’s a ginormous butterfly flapping a lot of wings, causing all sorts of things to go on.” [05:40]
• Audience Change:
  • Peter: “He had more fun up until about 2016.” [04:03]
• On Billionaire Guests:
  • Adam: “I don’t think he’s, like, in bed with them… he was just recently talking some shit about Trump going off the deep end.” [13:12]
• California Rants/Critique Fatigue:
  • Peter: “Often it’s the California stuff.” [14:05]
  • Adam: “If you’re a listener and you didn’t go through that… it probably gets old.” [14:29]
• Comedy Scene Reality Check:
  • Peter: “Burt has about 15 minutes of funny things to say, then talks about himself for two hours.” [17:24]
• Tech Billionaires’ PR Attempts:
  • Adam (on Zuck): “You can’t bullshit Rogan. Not on bow hunting.” [34:05]
• On Wealth Inequality:
  • Peter: “99% of the money, 1% of the population.” [39:13]
  • Adam: “That really is a type of slavery.” [40:00]
• Jelly Roll’s Redemption Arc:
  • Adam: “He couldn’t focus. He couldn’t perform. He couldn’t do much.” [45:54]

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Timestamps by Major Segment

• 00:30 – Introduction and overall theme of the 2025 recap
• 01:36–06:00 – Rogan’s evolving tone, cultural relevance, and demographic shifts
• 06:13–10:13 – Listener stats, deal speculation, YouTube growth/no. 1 status, kids & internet views
• 13:08–16:13 – Backlash about billionaire guests; standup podcast “grifter” concerns
• 17:06–24:48 – Comedy scene: Two Bears, Fighter & Kid, Kill Tony history/format
• 25:06–33:34 – “Best of 2025”: Deep dives on standout episodes (Musk, Gibson, Zuckerberg)
• 37:56–44:57 – Bernie Sanders, Shane Gillis, Trump/White House, new political culture
• 44:57–49:39 – Jelly Roll’s transformation, comedy lore (Mitzi Shore), Rogan’s fitness advocacy
• 51:32–52:14 – Overall future direction, disclosure/aliens, hopes for more “fun” topics

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Tone, Style, and Structure

• Conversational, candid, occasionally irreverent
• Mix of humor, honest critique, and fandom
• Deep podcasting/stand up scene knowledge
• Self-deprecating and unafraid to challenge Rogan while still recognizing his impact

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Closing Thoughts

• Fan-Critical but Hopeful: The hosts acknowledge that while Rogan’s “anti-establishment edge is somewhat getting lost,” and the “sellout” critique is growing, he’s “stepping away from interviewing politicians” and could return to having more fun, speculative, and exploratory content.
  • Adam: “Just have some fun. I mean, he ended the year with the Age of Disclosure…” [51:32]
• On What Fans Want: More mysteries, more Graham Hancock, more “what’s under the pyramids,” and “aliens.” [52:02]
• Gratitude and Looking Forward:
  • Adam: “I think that overall it was a solid 2025. I don’t know what you guys think… send us a message, let us know.” [52:40]
  • Peter: “Yeah. Happy New Year.” [53:01]
  • Adam: “Happy New Year and God bless America.” [53:03]

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For Newcomers: Why This Recap Matters

This episode provides sharp, entertaining insight into Joe Rogan’s place in podcast culture, the changing attitudes of his core audience, and a rundown of 2025’s most crucial JRE moments. Whether you’re a longtime fan or a casual observer, this review helps you track Rogan’s ongoing influence, evolution, and enduring controversies.

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Transcript

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[Adam Thorne]

You are listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast. We find little nuggets, treasures, valuable pieces of gold in the Joe Rogan Experience Podcast and pass them on to you. Perhaps expand a little bit. We are not associated with Joe Rogan in any way. Think of us as the talking dead to Joe's Walking Dead. You're listening to the Joe Rogan Experience Review. What a bizarre thing we've created now with your hosts, Adam Thorne. Might either be the worst podcast or the best one. One go. Enjoy the show. Hey guys and welcome to a special episode year end special episode of the Joe Rogan Experience Review. We are ending out 2025 with a look back on how the year came about and went in the Rogan sphere. Joined this week by Peter, who did a lot of episodes with me, the beginning of last year, kind of beginning to mid. What's up, Pete?

[Peter]

Not too much. Happy to be here. Thanks for having me back.

[Adam Thorne]

Welcome back. Welcome back. Made sense to have you on since you did some of the pinnacle episodes with me last year and yeah, what an interesting year for Rogan. I mean, you know, Rogan is on his 15th, 16th year of doing the pod. I would say, you know, it's, you know, there's been a bit of a shift in a lot of ways. I mean, for a lot of people he's been getting somewhat more controversial the last, say five years plus. But that there seems somewhat of an energy shift with people online. I don't know exactly what it is, but are you sensing some of that?

[Peter]

I do sense that it's kind of like less controversial conspiracies like UFOs and pyramids and lizard people and more like AI gonna kill us all or we're ran by an elite government that doesn't care about our health or like us at all. So it's like that kind of vibe.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah. And I. And I think also there's like a shift. I think the fans that originally were drawn to Rogan in the early days, like the 2009, 2011 fans, like those people that were captured back then, those same people hearing it today. I don't mean the same people from back then, but the same types of people that would be jumping on Rogan today. I think they're hearing him different. Obviously Rogan's older, he's in a different place, but he's talking about different things. Back then it was just smoking weed, talking to comedians, talking about mushrooms, talking about DMT and aliens, whatever types of conspiracies. But again, not so much the government ones, maybe a bit of jfk, just kind of fringe stuff. More loosey goosey little wacky Charles Manson. Yeah. He wasn't as kind of sometimes angry about things.

[Peter]

It seems like he had more fun up until about 2016.

[Adam Thorne]

It started to get serious and then.

[Peter]

It'S almost like bigger job for him. Maybe he doesn't care for it anymore.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, it's certainly more pressure. Right. I mean, it's so big now. I mean, how else could he navigate it? I still think he navigates it really well for what it is. But I mean, this is uncharted waters for anybody. I mean, this is. He's the most listened to human being that has really ever existed. You, you know, it's true. That's basically it.

[Peter]

The most listened to human ever. That is what, a claim to fame. That's a huge achievement.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And that's an insane amount of pressure for anybody to stay even remotely normal.

[Peter]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

And you know, when you think about it, I mean, swaying elections. Swaying elections in countries like the United States.

[Peter]

I think he did it. I think that was a big part of it.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, our president just went in and took another prime minister of another country.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

And Joe might have helped put him in that position.

[Peter]

So he's indirectly helped Venezuela be overthrown.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Oh, no.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, there's an argument to be made.

[Peter]

I mean, the goal. What is that the butterfly wings flap on one side of the earth and it creates a hurricane on the other side.

[Adam Thorne]

There we go.

[Peter]

Although he's a little bit bigger than a butterfly.

[Adam Thorne]

He is. He's a ginormous butterfly flapping a lot of wings, causing all sorts of things to go on. And, you know, it's somewhat undeniable. I mean, in a way, this is why I do this show and have been running this little examination since 2017. I mean, that's a long time.

[Peter]

Yeah, it is.

[Adam Thorne]

It's almost 10 years I've been doing this. I mean, I'm stretching it out, it just became 2026. But I like to do that roundup makes me sound like I'm working hard.

[Peter]

Round up.

[Adam Thorne]

Let's round up.

[Peter]

Have a roundup.

[Adam Thorne]

But yeah, I mean, let's, let's take a look at this year. I mean, let's, let's run some numbers for a start. I mean, over 2 billion views across platforms like Spotify, Apple, YouTube. Two billion. That's a lot.

[Peter]

That's, that's. McDonald's serves 1 billion a day. Joe Rogan gets 2 billion.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, I mean, let's, let's just do some basic podcast math on that. I mean, I'm a podcaster. I know roughly what we get paid and if we. I mean, I don't know exactly how that would break down for YouTube. And then I know Spotify doesn't quite pay the same, but let me just.

[Peter]

His numbers are. They are not growing. Some of them do achieve huge numbers. Like the Elon episode with I think, what, 50 million views plus. But his other numbers are dwindling.

[Adam Thorne]

You think so?

[Peter]

I think. I know so. Spotify cut his deal, not in half, but they've renegotiated for less. You know this for sure because I.

[Adam Thorne]

Think that last deal, it was, it was just as big, if not more, and he had more rights. Like he was able to put it on back on Apple and on YouTube and other places. Now he gets access to YouTube money.

[Peter]

It may have been old information I was listening to today.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay.

[Peter]

I'm a year old. I don't know.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay, what I mean, the Elon Musk episode alone, 50 million plus views, that's huge. So, you know, in terms of YouTube views, that's massive. The Trump episode, technically that was the end of 2024, but it was still growing very large at the beginning of 2025. So we're gonna count that one. That one was growing it on YouTube alone. At a million downloads a day, that's one of the fastest growing videos I've ever seen. Other than probably like a Mr. Beast.

[Peter]

Right?

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, Mr. Beast videos are growing real fast, but that's, you know, teenagers and eight year olds watching that. It's a little bit different.

[Peter]

Yeah, it turns out that 8 to 16 year olds drive the Internet views.

[Adam Thorne]

They do.

[Peter]

I did not know that.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh yeah. Dude, have you ever seen those unboxings of like Disney toys? It's just like someone's hands and they open a box. Yeah, there's like 100 million views on those.

[Peter]

Yes, I've seen, I've seen a misread Rachel Roblox. Just like people playing it and filming themselves talking, talking about it. Yeah, whatever Roblox says.

[Adam Thorne]

Just bunch of blocks on a road game.

[Peter]

Millions of views.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, yeah. I mean, you know, why look after your kids when you give them an iPad?

[Peter]

Here, here, just.

[Adam Thorne]

Just hand it over. But it. Look, he's still making massive numbers and he's still the number one podcaster in the world by a long way. And that's the thing. I mean, I'm pretty sure that you could half his downloads and he'd still be beating everybody. So even if he is on a bit of a downswing, and I'm not saying he is, I don't know, he's still gonna be holding that top spot for a while. I mean, he's. He's going nowhere fast. I mean, he was just so far out ahead. The thing about the online thing, and you see it with elephant graveyard, you were mentioning a video. Who was that guy?

[Peter]

Podcast cringe.

[Adam Thorne]

There we go. And you know, I'm sure that these people were fans of Rogan and the Rogan sphere in the past, because when they do videos of kind of mocking that space, they have so much information. This podcast is brought to you by hims. ED doesn't mean your love life is over. It means it's just getting started. With personalized treatment options to help you take back control and spontaneity. Thanks to daily meds, HIMS offers access to ED treatment options ranging from personalized products to trusted generics that cost 95% less than brand names if prescribed. To get simple online access to personalized affordable care for ED, hair loss, weight loss, and more, visit hims.comjrer that's hims.comjre for your free online visit hims.comjrer Featured products include compounded drug products which the FDA does not approve or verify for safety, effectiveness or quality. Prescriptions required. See website for details, restrictions, and important safety information. Actual price will depend on product and subscription plan. And they're so in depth and they have such solid history that you can tell they've been studying this for a long time. And you know, they're not casuals. They didn't just jump in as haters and then do a bunch of research. They're people that have known this space for a while and for whatever reason have just gone sour on it, have lost some faith. And when I talk to, you know, I get emails all the time because we're the Joe Rogan Experience Review. And either people think that we're Rogan and send us emails, or they know it's us and just want to give us some feedback. And, I mean, it's like hundreds a day. I can't read them all. You know, I see him come in when I go to the website and look at the emails and I'll check them every now and again. But, you know, there is some frustration with, like, the billionaires that he has on him, buddy. Buddying up to them. You know, people see that as a bit of, like, sellout move. You know, I'm pretty neutral to that. I would imagine that it's pretty interesting hanging out with billionaires or, like, you know, being able to text them and asking them some questions or going to some of their parties. I mean, you know, you gotta be a little careful. I don't think he's, like, in bed with them, so to speak. I mean, he was just recently talking some shit about Trump going off the deep end, so he's not kissing his ass all the way. And that, in a sense, would be probably quite a positive financial move for him to keep Trump quite happy. Because Trump can get pretty pissed off with people and get quite vindictive.

[Peter]

Oh, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

But, you know, Rogan's being Rogan and he's like, that looks wacky.

[Peter]

He also does. He does have fuck you money. And he said that before. And he likes to use it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Peter]

He says no whenever he wants.

[Adam Thorne]

Mm. So I think he just has a real curiosity and some of these people are interesting to him, but that's my opinion. Other people aren't seeing it like this, and I think that's why some people are getting frustrated. And there occasionally is some energy from Rogan on pods where you can tell he gets stuck on an issue and he really harps on about it, and there seems like there's some anger there.

[Peter]

And it's like the. Often it's the California stuff.

[Adam Thorne]

California. He's bitter about that. I have some of that energy, though. I live there. I went through the COVID stuff. It's human, it's real. People felt really fucked over by what went on there. But I think if you're a listener and you didn't go through that and you had nothing to do with that in that space, it probably gets old.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, another.

[Peter]

Another thing that sours people's listening is. And this isn't true too much anymore, but he launched about five careers in stand up and podcasts, you know, two Bears, One Cave with Tom Segura and Bert Kresher. And they are. They have just milked that thing and are no longer relevant. And they're not funny Maybe never were. I think there's one special that I liked about Tom with Tom's the Fighter and the Kid.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, they've done. They've done themselves in for sure.

[Peter]

So, like, they're kind of hitched to Joe's wagon, and that is dragging. That has dragged him down a bit with people looking into newbies.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. But, you know, that's a hard rap for him, really, because Joe is responsible in a lot of ways for a bunch of podcasts, really. I don't know if he can take credit for Huberman's, but I think that he was a big motivator in getting Andrew Huberman to start. That's a top 10 podcast or numbers.

[Peter]

Up, that's for sure.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm pretty sure he was a big motivator in getting Theo to start. That's a top three podcast.

[Peter]

That's a silly one. I like his.

[Adam Thorne]

That's Jordan Peterson for sure. Lex Friedman for sure. I would imagine. Ben Shapiro for sure. Jordan Peterson.

[Peter]

He changed the game.

[Adam Thorne]

Did I say that?

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

What about Jocko? Definitely Jocko. Definitely Cam Hain. So because there's so many. There's gonna be some bad eggs in there. Oh, Steve Rinella's podcast, which is so. There's excellent ones that have stood the test of time. They've added a lot of great value and have some just fantastic episodes and are very useful, and a lot of credit should go to Rogan for that. And, yeah, there are some friends of his that it turned out to be grifters, but to be honest, Fighter and the Kid, when it started, wasn't all bad. They. They were quite funny at first, and they had some pretty decent episodes. It's like they themselves got ahead of them. Like they got too big, full of themselves.

[Peter]

It kind of seemed like they were just reading the comments and then talking about the comments.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, it just got really empty. And then they ran out of their own kind of material. And Two Bears actually started off pretty decent.

[Peter]

They had some stuff.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Peter]

Burt has about 15 minutes of funny things to say, and then he just talks about himself for two hours.

[Adam Thorne]

Mama's House was pretty good at first as well. That had some moments.

[Peter]

Oh, him and his wife.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. But again, you know, it's like, it's hard to keep these things going. And, you know, is Rogan responsible for all of those sorts of things? It's almost like having a comedy club and let's say, you know, Kill Tony ends up being a huge dud or like something on that show becomes massively problematic. Is that Rogan's fault or did he just give people the opportunity? The fact that Kill Tony has become a massive, massive event that sells out arenas, you know, that itself has become something. Instead of people praising it and going, wow, this is a. This is like not really stand up, but it's entertainment, right? It's mostly just shit on by everybody.

[Peter]

Well, it's mostly crap now as far as the people that bucket polls are hit or miss. You know, it's funny when the panel craps on them or they got Shane Gillis, Adam Ray. Those guys are legends and.

[Adam Thorne]

But it was never meant to be great because of the one minute bucket pulls. That's not what it was supposed to be.

[Peter]

What is it about?

[Adam Thorne]

Well, it's supposed to be. Well, I used to go watch it when there was like 50 people in the audience in the belly room of the Comedy Store, when like you could go up there right before the show starts and they still had tickets left because it was just not a big show. Back in like 2016, 2017, what it was open micas. You know, they'd have 25 people sign up for it. It wasn't like proper comedians. They actually have pretty decent comedians generally signing up. I mean, they're not professional comedians for the most part. Sometimes they get.

[Peter]

It's LA at the Comedy Store, so.

[Adam Thorne]

Exactly. But they're mo. They were mostly open micas. So the idea was it was almost always set up for a minute of bombing and then a panel of professional comedians to just kind of rip on the person that did a minute. It was kind of set up to be a cruel show in a sense, unless the person was kind of good and then they would be encouraging and see if they could find some talent. That was the idea.

[Peter]

And there have been some gems.

[Adam Thorne]

Yes.

[Peter]

Like the sky with Cerebral Palsy is hilarious.

[Adam Thorne]

He's great.

[Peter]

His timing is off, but that's not his fault.

[Adam Thorne]

He's doing his best joke. He's doing his best. But yeah, they have had a few people come through. And then there's also like a very particular style that's come out of it too. It's like a roasting style. And, you know, it just is different. It's a whole different kind of setup of entertainment.

[Peter]

And the Austin. Austin style with where. Where Shock and awe is name in the game.

[Adam Thorne]

It's a little bit like that. Yeah. And I get it too. I get it. If people are like really into stand up, especially polished, professional stand up, that's not what that kind of show is. You know, another show I used to go watch at the Comedy Store that I loved. Jeremiah Watkins show, Stand up on the spot where they would take actually, you know, headliners, professional comedians and people would shout things out from the crowd.

[Peter]

Oh yeah, I see that.

[Adam Thorne]

And then you have to riff. You can't use your material. And you know, that really sets you up for some really awkward sets.

[Peter]

Wacky sets.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, sometimes they go nowhere, but sometimes you get some gems because these guys are good.

[Peter]

I think I saw Harlan Williams doing one of those.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, he's good. I bet he was excellent.

[Peter]

He's. He does. He makes you cringe. He's like my this whole bit about his sister got her legs chopped off. He doesn't even have a sister right. But it was like he was hilarious.

[Adam Thorne]

He's very good. He's actually very good on Kill Tony as well when he's on there. Well, I saw, I saw him live at the Mothership when I took the team down there and he, he was just killing all of us. It was some of the funniest stuff I've ever seen. This podcast is brought to you by Chime. Chime is changing the way people bank fee free and smarter banking built for you. Forget overdraft fees, minimum balance fees and monthly fees. Helps you build credit history stress free. Earn up to 3.5% APY on savings eight times higher than a traditional bank. Rated five stars by USA Today for customer service. Real Humans 247 no annual fees, no interest and no strings attached. I switched in just a few minutes and it was the easiest move I've made. Chime is not just smarter banking. It's the most rewarding way to bank join the millions who are already banking fee free today. It just takes a few minutes to sign up. Head to chime.comjrer that is chime.com.

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[Adam Thorne]

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[Peter]

So I do miss jokes.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, when, when Tony tries. I mean, listen, Tony often doesn't even tell one joke the whole episode.

[Peter]

He just kind of shrieks and. Ha ha.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, he's just hosts. He's just like. And up next.

[Peter]

We got Puerto Ricans on the thing.

[Adam Thorne]

He loves that Puerto Rican joke, doesn't he? Well, look, let's. Let's look at some of the episodes from the year that really stood out. I mean, starting off the year early on February, episode 2281, Elon Musk came on. Yeah. Three hour banger came on. I mean, started talking about Doge, what the Doge thing was gonna start to be and. Yeah, what was your take on the whole Doge thing? I mean, look.

[Peter]

Dogecoin.

[Adam Thorne]

No, no, no.

[Peter]

The Doge.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, where he was like analyzing the government.

[Peter]

Well, if it's too failed to fix it is a pipeline. This is what he thinks it's a pipeline for laundering money. Our money to the powers that be.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, he thinks it's fucked.

[Peter]

It takes all our money and gives it to other countries.

[Adam Thorne]

I think that he had a suspicion, but now he knows for sure and he has proof. He went in there, he downloaded it all deep and he's like, oh, this is a mess. I'm going to mas.

[Peter]

And then he was like, all of a sudden, black eye got a black eye. He got too Deep. Got too vocal. And somebody, yeah, probably Hillary.

[Adam Thorne]

Somebody punched him in the face. I said that. I had my theory, right. I said that to the wife over Christmas. I was like, look, somebody punched him in the face. He got in deep. He's the richest guy in the world. And people more powerful than him were like, whack, shut up.

[Peter]

Do something about it.

[Adam Thorne]

And she was like, that is ridiculous. It says online that his kid accidentally whacked him in the face. I go, do you think that a little kid could whack me in the face and give me a black eye? It's way more fun to have these conspiracies than it is just accept whatever.

[Peter]

Well, that's a conspiracy too, couldn't it? The kid.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. What a lazy cover up that is. I don't know. Do you remember when George Bush got a black eye?

[Peter]

There's a thing called the Black Eye Club.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Supposedly he choked on a pretzel and passed out, fell over and gave himself a black eye.

[Peter]

We've talked about this before.

[Adam Thorne]

I don't trust him.

[Peter]

We've talked about this before. The Black Eye Club. Every powerful person has had a black eye. I've had a black eye, but it was from Jiu Jitsu.

[Adam Thorne]

How does it work? What's that club then? Someone punches you in the face.

[Peter]

Look it up. The Black Eye Club.

[Adam Thorne]

But how's it work?

[Peter]

It's like the most powerful people in the world show up one day with.

[Adam Thorne]

A black eye and they have to.

[Peter]

Go into public and they're just like, yep, explain it or don't explain it. They all have had it.

[Adam Thorne]

Like you have to take a punch to the face.

[Peter]

I think someone's like, eventually they think they're too powerful.

[Adam Thorne]

Is there just one guy that does it?

[Peter]

The, like the wrecker?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, just one dude.

[Peter]

He's got a great overhead, right.

[Adam Thorne]

He's got a big old left hand.

[Peter]

Big, big country right to the head.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, well, it was on his right eye, so I'm thinking it's a left handed guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because you wouldn't punch unless they just stand to your right side. Sorry, I'm overthinking.

[Peter]

We're overthinking this one.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm overthinking it, but I want to know how the club works.

[Peter]

It probably has something to do with humiliation rituals and bowing to power.

[Adam Thorne]

There we go. Yeah, but you know, look it up.

[Peter]

Somebody.

[Adam Thorne]

When he came on and you know, Rogan pushed back a little bit on that episode because, you know, Elon was talking about how frustrated he Was that people were so pissed off with him. And also, well, you know, protesting at Tesla dealerships, burning them. You know, remember when all that was happening, shooting them, that was kind of wild.

[Peter]

Incredible.

[Adam Thorne]

And, you know, drawing swastikas on the cybertrucks seemed like mainly the cybertrucks they didn't like, really getting frustrated with him. And that one I kind of didn't get. Other that he was working with Trump. But just auditing the government seemed like a good move.

[Peter]

And they didn't want any piece of that, did they? They didn't want an audit. They want to audit me for making $700. They don't want to audit big business for making $7 billion, paying $100,000 in taxes.

[Adam Thorne]

I wonder why you didn't find any of the Somalian stuff. Is that in a different system?

[Peter]

I think that that would have to be. Well, that's probably a Minnesota specific.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, that's true. He was looking more federal level.

[Peter]

There are tons of those. And there's a thing coming out recently that's it's operated by the government. The Somalians are not known for their craftiness with pushing paperwork. This is all funded by someone else funneling money to somewhere else. And I don't want to get you in trouble anymore. So I'm not going to say who I think it is.

[Adam Thorne]

Don't do it. Up next, mel Gibson's episode 2254. Now, this was interesting because didn't Trump, like, nominate unofficially, Mel Gibson to be, like, the Hollywood ambassador? You remember that?

[Peter]

I do not remember that.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, that was like an unofficial role that he gave. It was like he represents Hollywood through the administration somehow. I don't know what that meant or what that did, but Mel Gibson was very excited to do it. Talked there was some conspiracy vibes in there, a little bit of backlash against Hollywood, some raw talk. You know, I mean, it's Mel Gibson's gibbons, so he's going to do that. And kind of talked about the machine controlling Tinseltown. And I don't know, they talk a little bit about Epstein files and the whole thing in there, but, yeah, yeah, some of that kind of control over Hollywood.

[Peter]

He basically got canceled, right?

[Adam Thorne]

Like, yeah, but he's mostly back. I think he apologized enough and laid low. And did he sober up mostly?

[Peter]

I think he stopped drinking and driving.

[Adam Thorne]

There we go.

[Peter]

It's kind of all you have to do, really.

[Adam Thorne]

You should do that. Yeah, definitely do that.

[Peter]

Keep it at home.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. You know, he's getting older.

[Peter]

He still looks great.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, look if you're drinking and then also find yourself saying some outrageous things, cut back. That's your first sign. That's a warning sign.

[Peter]

I think I had a few of those.

[Adam Thorne]

There we go. Well, you need to cut back, sir. It's dry January.

[Peter]

All right.

[Adam Thorne]

Dry January. You gotta do it. What are we, five days in?

[Peter]

I've done two days out of five.

[Adam Thorne]

There we go. Still shaking.

[Peter]

No, I'm drinking these Nas. They. They kind of. They do the trick.

[Adam Thorne]

It's helping kombucha. That's what you want to go to. Technically, Kombucha is like an na.

[Peter]

It has a. It's alcoholic, right?

[Adam Thorne]

Has a little bit like a 0.5%, 0.5%. But yeah, he felt like Mel Gibson was. Was doing better on this episode of this year. When he was on before, he was clicking a pen a lot and you know, he was talking about his dad and he was clicking a pen a lot and it was kind of annoying, but it had to.

[Peter]

Joe, did Jamie say something?

[Adam Thorne]

No, nobody said anything because it's Mel Gibson and you wouldn't say that.

[Peter]

But.

[Adam Thorne]

But he was a little bit more coherent. He had some good stories and it was, you know, it was a big episode. Then around the same time, Mark Zuckerberg came on. And I don't know if it was just because, you know, Elon was coming on and Trump just had. And it was like big player billionaire time. But the Zuck was coming in as Zuckerberg 2.0.

[Peter]

The cool one.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, this is the cool. Where he had the gold chain fro and he's talking about Jiu Jitsu and he wanted to pretend that he knew how to bow hunt. And Joe kind of called him out on that, like, hey, what kind of bow do you got? And Zuck's like, I don't remember. And he's like, what kind of release do you have? And Zuck had no idea what he was talking about. And it just didn't go over well.

[Peter]

It fell flat.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, look, you can't. You can't bullshit Rogan.

[Peter]

Not on bow hunting.

[Adam Thorne]

But here's the thing.

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[Peter]

Biggest thing he likes.

[Adam Thorne]

I think the mistake that Mark made, he'd obviously done some research. He has legitimately been training some jiu jitsu and training with some great guys and showing up to the ufc. So he's been doing some stuff.

[Peter]

I think he does MMA training.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, he does. And he trains with some good guys like Volk and some solid competitors. However, I think that he's so used to being interviewed or talking to people that mostly just ask him the right questions, softballs, or don't really like, press him too hard to kind of like almost to like the interrogation stage, that as long as he does enough research to make it seem like he's learned something about what you're into or what they're talking about, then that's enough for him to sound legit. The problem is Rogan doesn't work like that. Rogan's gonna make sure that you know what you're talking about.

[Peter]

Wait a minute.

[Adam Thorne]

He's like, excuse me, what?

[Peter]

Thumb release?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. He's like, I play pool. What kind of pool cue you got? What kind of weight is that?

[Peter]

2017.

[Adam Thorne]

What kind of chalk do you have?

[Peter]

Yellow. All the wrong answers.

[Adam Thorne]

And it did just. He basically just turned back into Zuck 1.0, which was nerd Zuck.

[Peter]

That's a very human response of you. Zuck.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I mean, look, with Jeff Bezos. Say what you want about him. I buy Bezos 2.0 when he showed up just looking jacked, New wife, super yacht, looking like, you know, a Bond villain.

[Peter]

He's leaning in.

[Adam Thorne]

I Was like, cool. He looks badass.

[Peter]

He looks like a cool.

[Adam Thorne]

He just. I mean, do you remember how much of a nerd he looked like before.

[Peter]

He was a librarian, basically?

[Adam Thorne]

And now he's just like, bam. I mean, Zuck trying to do it. He's just. He's doing everything to pull that off, too. He's surfing. Surfing with a beer on 4th of July, wearing, like an American flag suit. I mean, he's putting it out there. He's doing his best. However. B minus.

[Peter]

B.

[Adam Thorne]

Sorry.

[Peter]

Sorry, buddy.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm sorry. Don't. Don't ban me from Instagram. But B minus. B minus. Moving on into the year June, episode 2341. We're just doing my favorite ones, all the ones that really stood out. Bernie freaking Sanders. I quite like this one. I like that he has Bernie on. Joe respects Bernie. Right. Whether you're a fan of Bernie or not, you know, I like a lot of Bernie's integrity. He's the same guy he's been since, like 75. For good or for bad.

[Peter]

You know, Lifelong politician.

[Adam Thorne]

Exactly.

[Peter]

Never had a job, never worked a.

[Adam Thorne]

Day in his life. And he comes on and, you know, and Rogan did push back a little bit over some things. The climate stuff, he kind of brought some points up about. Kind of pushed back about. But Bernie brought up some points that were pretty decent, honestly. Just about the wealth inequality, you know, and there is some pretty alarming data right now about the massive wealth inequality. You know, the very richest people freaking have all the money and everyone else is just broke.

[Peter]

99% of the money. 1% of the population.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. And the rest of us have nothing. We're basically all slaves.

[Peter]

And I think slaves per capita made more money than us somehow.

[Adam Thorne]

They're who. What.

[Peter]

Some slaves are doing have done better than our life. We're wage slaves.

[Adam Thorne]

Yep.

[Peter]

Not you and I. Dude.

[Adam Thorne]

I saw this thing about taxes the other day, and they. By the time you take everything in, all the taxes in that we pay, not just like the federal tax or the rest of it, but it's like sales tax. And then the taxes on the taxes, and every single tax, it's like 70% of everything that we make ends up being paid to some tax.

[Peter]

And then they buy a thousand dollar hair.

[Adam Thorne]

Think about that. That's like, what is that? Like eight, nine months of the year. We work for nothing. That really is a type of slavery.

[Peter]

Kind of makes me not want to work at all. It's shocking, but what I do. Kibble's not free.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Peter]

I got a dog you know, it.

[Adam Thorne]

Makes you think that you shouldn't work for eight months, then just work for four.

[Peter]

Oh, and that'd be nice.

[Adam Thorne]

That'd be great.

[Peter]

Let's figure that one out here soon.

[Adam Thorne]

Yep. Ending off the year, of course. We had Shane Gillis in December. That was a nice treat. That just happened recently. We need to review that one actually. Coming up, a bit of comedy gold. Some wild stories, of course. Got into some woke mob stuff and hit a little bit of Trump madness. They went over what Trump's been doing in the White House. Knocking down that building, falling asleep at the wheel. And also Epstein not releasing the list. And those plaques, President plaques.

[Peter]

Ridiculous. Ridiculous.

[Adam Thorne]

That's ridiculous.

[Peter]

You can't change that. You can't do that, change history.

[Adam Thorne]

You can't write those things.

[Peter]

He's an excellent guy. Dog of a wife.

[Adam Thorne]

Worst president ever. Total disaster. And somehow Trump is mentioned in all of the ones, even throughout history. The George Washington one. It's like he would have loved Trump if he had known Trump, but he didn't know Trump.

[Peter]

The best hair next to Trump.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know who's let him get away with this. I guess no one can stop him at this point. No, he's absolutely.

[Peter]

He's a madman.

[Adam Thorne]

Just do it. The fact that the picture of Biden is the auto pen is, I mean, funny. You know, objectively funny.

[Peter]

Very funny.

[Adam Thorne]

Like you have to say that, but it is wild. That is like an Onion story, but it's real life. Even the Onion wouldn't have thought of that.

[Peter]

We have a. We don't have a serious culture.

[Adam Thorne]

It's a wackadoo time. We're doing the ufcs in the White House next year on the lawn. Could you imagine anything like that?

[Peter]

As long as my boy Jon Jones gets back up there, I'm in.

[Adam Thorne]

I think he's gonna.

[Peter]

He's got to.

[Adam Thorne]

I think he's getting up there, you know, and then they talk about the state of politics and, like, kind of where. Where things have been and where it's going, and it's. You know, they talk about, you know, Catholic presidents, right? JFK was the first. Didn't last long for whatever reason, and technically Biden was the second. But I guess he's not, like, super Catholic.

[Peter]

He wasn't a particularly devout Catholic.

[Adam Thorne]

Wasn't all in. But then, you know, just kind of talking about that. That whole religious aspect of things. And then, you know, where is politics going and who's following who these days? They. They even bring up some Fuentes stuff like who are the new leaders that are coming forward? I mean, you know, so much pushback against Nick Fuentes and for good reason. I mean, he really riles people up and says some outrageous things. But at the same time, you watch the Piers Morgan interview and the styles are so different that it's almost like Trump esque in the debates. It doesn't make Trump more right. It doesn't make his answers more correct. It doesn't even make them more acceptable. They're less acceptable, but they're arguably winning the debates.

[Peter]

Yeah, the accusations fall flat. They seem drummed up. And also, what issues are we even talking about?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, he's just dodging them left and right. And then he becomes president and it seemed like Nick just dodges everything Pierce gave him and then hammers Pierce about five things. You look online and overall people were like, pierce look like an idiot. And it's like, wait a second, what? How did that happen? You give that 20 years. Who, who knows? Who's paying attention to that? Like, is. Is there this new kind of generation coming in, looking at different things? It's. It's a big question and possibly a scary one that people should pay attention to. I don't know. I don't know. Another really inspirational one. In December, Jelly Roll. Jelly Roll has lost like 250 pounds. He's lost another person.

[Peter]

He's got a. He's got ozempic eyes, doesn't he?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, he didn't take it. Supposedly he did it naturally.

[Peter]

Cocaine?

[Adam Thorne]

No, supposedly just diet and exercise.

[Peter]

I don't believe him.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, I don't think Joe is a liar and I don't think Jelly Roll is, so I'm on jellies.

[Peter]

Okay, we're gonna have to agree to disagree about this.

[Adam Thorne]

Jellies. Jelly side. You can't really call him Jelly Roll anymore. He needs a new nickname.

[Peter]

Lobster Roll.

[Adam Thorne]

No, it's gotta be like a thinner one. Diet Roll.

[Peter]

Fruit by the foot. Smaller.

[Adam Thorne]

We're not good at it. We're not good at this. But yeah, he's lost a bunch. He really talked. I mean, he talked honestly. He talked openly. He was humble. He said I was gonna die, you know?

[Peter]

Yeah, yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I couldn't, you know, have sex with my wife. I couldn't focus. I couldn't perform. I couldn't do much.

[Peter]

I wonder if he could cut out drinking. Was that like, was that his thing? Was he a drinker?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, I think he was drinking in drugs. You know, there's a lot going on. I mean, he was Doing everything wrong. He was eating horrible food. I mean, tons of sugar. He said he couldn't even see properly. He couldn't even see colors.

[Peter]

Yeah, because his glaucoma or diabetic blindness, probably.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, probably, like, you know, type 7 diabetes of that weight.

[Peter]

Side effect of Ozempic is blindness.

[Adam Thorne]

But that's actual blindness, not color blindness.

[Peter]

I'm not a scientist.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, all right. But he said yes, Supposedly, once he, like, cleared that up, he could, like, see just much better. He got, like, crayons and coloring books and. Yeah, he, like, got into it. It was, like, coloring all kinds.

[Peter]

I caught a clip of him we almost weeping about a woman he's never met. Mitzi Shore. Do you remember that part where he was like, I just can't believe the love you guys have for this lady. I just thought it was odd, like, to be kind of verklempt over a woman you've never met.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, I mean, he goes to Rogan's club, and they have a bar there called Mitzi's Bar. So she owned the Comedy Store.

[Peter]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

That's Polly Shoals Mom.

[Peter]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

And, you know, she was, like, the. You know, the mother of comedy for all these guys. So they. They really admire her. And Joe does a lot. So they.

[Peter]

She was great.

[Adam Thorne]

You know, Rogan is someone that Jelly Roll really looks up to and has probably inspired him a great deal to get his life together, at least in terms of health and weight.

[Peter]

That is one thing that Rogan is awesome at.

[Adam Thorne]

He's very good at that.

[Peter]

Getting people motivated to. No doubt, to change their lives for the better. Come on.

[Adam Thorne]

For sure. And I'm sure he's done it for countless thousands of people. I mean, you see it from just some of his friends. Hasn't worked great with Burt, but Tom, definitely.

[Peter]

I mean, he's on his. Well, what's that? His clinic down there. The ways to. Well, ways to. Well, they're all going there.

[Adam Thorne]

Yep.

[Peter]

So Bert's getting his blood done, and he's bragging that it's perfect all the time.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, of course.

[Peter]

Although he did just get some of his intestines removed.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. So I'd like to see those results. But, yeah, Rogan does that. He inspires. And I think, because, you know, Jelly Roll knows that Mitzi is someone that Rogan really looked up to and was inspired by. I think it's like that.

[Peter]

That love of Joe transformation.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, I think it's some of that. But I. But I also get your point. It's like, he didn't know of He's a sensitive guy. He's a sensitive guy. He's a sweet guy.

[Peter]

He is, actually. But the. Oh, I heard an interesting thing about Mitzi, as she was basically on her deathbed. Jerry Seinfeld, who did not like her because she said he wasn't funny. And she never booked him.

[Adam Thorne]

Yep. Never made him a regular.

[Peter]

I don't think roasted the hell out of her while she was dying. She's like, yeah, she didn't like me. I wonder how she's doing now. Very well. Knowing that she's dying.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, that hurts.

[Peter]

He's spiteful. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

But that hurts. That hurts. That hurts. Comedians, dude. That probably really, really hurt him.

[Peter]

He is only worth a billion dollars, you know.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, well, he got. I guess that's revenge. But that is dark. But, you know, comedians are dark.

[Peter]

Yeah, he's like a clean comic, but it could be dark.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, that's something else. I don't know. You know, let's look at overall fan vibes. I would say that, you know, on the whole, like, Rogan's anti establishment edge is somewhat getting lost. You know, like we said earlier, people somewhat saying he sold out. You know, it's kind of like, it's hard to say where the line is a little bit. That's some of the sentiment online. I ran some of it through chat just to kind of get, well, some like multiple AIs, just to get kind of like a percentage of where the comments are. And it just looks at like Reddit, you know, the subreddits, Twitter just kind of, you know, looks through all these comments and reviews, kind of compiles them and gets a feel for it and. And it was kind of pointing in that direction. So overall, people are starting to feel, on average like it's going that way. Like there's a bit of a sellout energy. I don't know if I agree. Right. But I could see their point. And more importantly, it's. It's, you know, what people are seeing themselves. I don't know what that means for the future. I do feel like Rogan is stepping away from interviewing the politicians. I don't think he wants to be that guy, step into politics as much. And I kind of hope he doesn't in 2026. I'd like to think that, you know, in the next. I mean, how old is he now? 50, 58 or 60? No, he's like 57 maybe.

[Peter]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay, so what's he got, like another decade doing this? Like, just get back to having some fun. It's like Just have some fun. I mean, he ended the year with the Age of Disclosure, basically the closest thing we've got so far to just showing us that aliens exist. That's fun. Let's stick to that.

[Peter]

Let's.

[Adam Thorne]

Let's find out what's under those pyramids.

[Peter]

That's what I want.

[Adam Thorne]

Let's get to that. That's what everyone wants, really.

[Peter]

I just want Graham Hancock on there every other week.

[Adam Thorne]

Let's get to the bottom of those things.

[Peter]

I want another Dibble Hancock debate.

[Adam Thorne]

That would be great.

[Peter]

I come to Jesus for the both of them.

[Adam Thorne]

He has been shitting on Dibble. Dibble's pretty butthurt about that. I think it's like put a lot of pressure on dibs.

[Peter]

Well, he came with biased arguments.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Yeah, he did get debunked quite hard. But, you know. And he did have a silly hat on.

[Peter]

I will say that every single archaeologist.

[Adam Thorne]

I've ever met has a silly hat. They.

[Peter]

They're like, I'm an archaeologist. I'm like, I know. You have the leather vest and the hat. I can tell.

[Adam Thorne]

There we go. Well, I think that overall it was a solid 2025. I don't know what you guys think, you know, send us a message, let us know. And I'm excited to see where 2026 goes. I'm interested as always, and we thank you for listening. We appreciate you. And let's kick some ass this year, everybody.

[Peter]

Yeah. Happy New Year.

[Adam Thorne]

Happy New Year and God bless America.

[Peter]

Amen.

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