JRE 514 Jay Anderson

Summary

Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast – Episode 514: Jay Anderson

Episode Date: March 17, 2026
Host: Adam Thorne
Co-host: Brandon
Guest Discussed: Jay Anderson (Project Unity Podcast)
Main Topics: UFOs, Ancient Civilizations, Giants, Bigfoot, Age of Disclosure

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Episode Overview

In this lively and often humorous episode, Adam Thorne and co-host Brandon dig deep into Joe Rogan’s recent conversation with UFO researcher and podcaster Jay Anderson (Project Unity). They dissect the major talking points of the episode, with a focus on UFOs, possible hidden histories of ancient civilizations, giants, and the notorious Bigfoot myth. The hosts also reflect on fan reactions, skepticism, and the broader "age of disclosure" movement, seeking to separate genuine inquiry from sensationalism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fan Reception & Jay Anderson’s Role in UFO Community

[02:38 – 05:12]

• Strong fan enthusiasm for Jay Anderson’s JRE appearance, especially compared to other recent guests.
• Some Reddit users label Jay a "grifter," though Adam and Brandon push back, noting Jay is mostly critical of the UFO community itself and isn’t trying to sell anything.
• Adam: “He’s kind of made enemies of some of these guys, you know, in their little clique group of conspiracy people. … I think he’s a great dude, though. I’m like, just, you know, let him just be a bit pissed off with some stuff like, who cares?” (04:12)

Notable Moment:

• The hosts satirize Reddit’s constant negativity: “Who the fuck has Reddit been happy with recently? Maybe Shane Gillis is the only person that survives Reddit reviews.” - Adam (05:33)

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2. Questioning the Official Historical Timeline

[06:29 – 10:45]

• The discussion kicks off with skepticism regarding the “official” human history timeline.
• Adam points to new archaeological finds frequently doubling humanity’s age, while mainstream historians resist big changes to accepted chronologies.
• “I mean, to be frank, it’s like every 10, 20 years, they find another couple of bones and they add 100,000 years to homo sapiens being on the planet… we can’t add a few thousand years to, like, when Stonehenge was made or the pyramids?” - Adam (07:15)
• Brandon connects this resistance to careerism in academia: “Do I want to explore the truth or do I want to put my kids through college?” (08:05)

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3. Underground Labyrinths & Pyramids

[11:06 – 17:43]

• They unpack the pyramid labyrinth theory discussed on JRE: supposedly, radar scans under the pyramids reveal mile-and-a-half-long underground structures with massive granite blocks (80m x 80m), much larger than “standard” pyramid stones.
• Adam emphasizes the magnitude: “Where do you even get granite blocks that are 80 meters by 80 meters? … The structures themselves are more complicated to construct than the pyramids. This is something we couldn’t do today.” (13:57, 15:00)
• Brandon is amazed: “At this point… it has to be aliens.” (16:36)
• Adam and Brandon debate advanced lost civilizations vs. extraterrestrial intervention.
• “If they’re as old as these timelines could possibly suggest, then it’s entirely possible that there was no ice on Antarctica for a long time. And why not have people there that build pyramids?” - Adam (19:10)

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4. Critical Thinking, Open-Mindedness, and Skepticism

[20:29 – 22:26]

• The hosts hammer home the importance of questioning historical dogma and being open to new facts.
• Brandon: “It’s okay to question them… At the same time to embrace new information and not just like hold onto old (facts) just because, well, my grandfather studied this and he found this. … We don’t know shit.” (20:28)
• Adam: “Why wouldn’t we believe that way long ago we actually were way more advanced for a while and then we just got wiped out?” (21:30)
• Possible cataclysms – ancient nukes, asteroid impacts – are discussed.

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5. Linking Aliens, Lost Civilizations, and Modern Technology

[22:45 – 27:18]

• They imagine future scenarios where surviving humans on Mars become "aliens" to a resurgent Earth civilization.
• “You give that 500 years, now all of a sudden you have aliens that can visit Earth in advanced crafts and people on Earth are just, you know, bonking each other on heads with logs and going, what the hell is that thing flying around in the sky?” - Adam (25:41)
• Discussion of technological “resets” and how history could have repeated cycles of advancement and collapse.

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6. Jay Anderson's Orb/Cloud UFO Encounter

[28:33 – 36:38]

• Jay’s personal experience: After two years of trying, he claims to see a blinking light and then a cloud with “fuzzy, static surrounding to it”; orbs shuffle around and allegedly a physical mark is left on his arm.
• The hosts are skeptical but amused:
  • Adam: “He doesn’t seem like a liar… maybe it got more elaborate over time… maybe it was just a wobbly cloud and a tiny light and he got excited about it.” (32:06)
  • Brandon: “Maybe he was just fucked up one night, went outside, smoked three cigarettes, and put each one out on his arm.” (33:58)
• Rogan’s healthy skepticism is praised: “Joe was not impressed… he’s like, I don’t know. I’m not really bothered about that at all.” - Adam (34:14)

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7. Bigfoot: Is It Even Plausible?

[37:43 – 41:12]

• Adam is a clear skeptic: “Is Bigfoot real? … No.”
• Brandon wants to believe, points to outdoorsmen like Les Stroud, but admits lack of physical evidence is damning: “We got no pictures. We got nothing. You know, giant pile of monkey poop. Surely we’d find that.” (39:57)
• Adam playfully riffs: “Of course you can just add enough bits to it to where it’s like, yeah, dragons too. … They’re also your grandfather. Why not?” (41:12)

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8. Giants, Skeletons, and Institutional Secrecy

[44:12 – 49:15]

• The legendary “giant skeleton” discoveries: They examine claims of 7–8 foot human remains.
• “Dude, the giant skeletons there were, … they were all like eight foot. It’s like, I believe that makes a lot of sense. Like that makes sense. But at that point, could we just call them tall people?” - Brandon (45:34)
• The Smithsonian allegedly “hiding bones” is mocked: “Smithsonian is going to be real upset with us if we go into the Giants because they’ve been trying to hide this for some time.” - Adam (44:41)
• They speculate on both eugenics and mythmaking as explanations and joke about “hobbit” skeletons being ordinary variation.

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9. The ‘Big Phone Call’ & Faster-than-Light Technology

[50:45 – 56:57]

• Jay’s most mind-bending story: He recounts a call from a technologist who claims to know how to build a ship that travels “280 times the speed of light.”
• Hosts’ reaction: Genuine fascination, but extreme skepticism about the secret, world-changing tech being kept hidden.
• Adam: “Why have we just had regular jets and fighter jets … while they are doing God knows what at the speed of light?” (52:32)
• Brandon ties it to capitalist interests: “Why don’t we know about this? Because Exxon, because Shell… Money controls everything.” (53:33)
• They suggest only a tiny elite get access to these “fruits of the gods.”

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10. The Age of Disclosure and Government Secrecy

[61:40 – 63:36]

• Jay and the hosts discuss the current "age of disclosure," where governments seem to be slowly leaking or managing UFO information.
• Adam on trust issues: “We know that you’re gonna curate the story and propagandize the shit out of us, but give us something because you’ve given us nothing for so long and you’ve gaslit the fuck out of us. Give us something to just sink our teeth into…” (62:25)
• They speculate new revelations are around the corner, as more whistleblowers step forward and space technology advances.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Reddit skepticism:
  “Who the fuck has Reddit been happy with recently? … Shane Gillis is the only person that survives Reddit reviews.” - Adam (05:33)

• On history’s moving target:
  “Every 10, 20 years, they find another couple of bones and they add 100,000 years to homo sapiens being on the planet… that’s a big fucking deal, dude. ... We can’t add a few thousand years to … the pyramids?” - Adam (07:15)

• On underground labyrinths:
  “We’re not building something a mile and a half underground like that with giant granite blocks. ...The structures themselves are more complicated to construct than the pyramids. This is something we couldn’t do today.” - Adam (15:00)

• On the mystery of ancient advancement:
  “You give that 500 years, well now all of a sudden you have aliens that can visit Earth in advanced Crafts and people on Earth are just, you know, bonking each other on heads with logs…” - Adam (25:41)

• On Jay’s orb encounter:
  “Maybe he was just fucked up one night, went outside, smoked three cigarettes, and put each one out on his arm, you know, who knows?” - Brandon (33:58)
  “Jay really wanted that to be like, the proof, the icing on the cake. ...That means a lot to you because of the circumstances … but to anyone else, it looks like nothing. Sorry.” - Adam (34:26)

• On Bigfoot:
  “What are they carrying that poop off? … There’s planes flying over… they can’t be that good at hiding.” - Adam (39:57)

• On ‘giants’:
  “Could we just call them tall people?” - Brandon (45:34)

• On revolutionary UFO tech:
  “You can actually look at this and be like, okay, this makes sense here because there is a lot of evidence that we’ve been able to back engineer alien crafts for a while now. … We're going to be guzzling gas till we die.” - Brandon (53:33)

• On coming disclosure:
  “It just feels like something’s happening and we're getting real close to something coming out. … More and more of Joe's stuff is happening. … I just feel like, yeah, it's close. Something big is going to be said soon.” - Adam (59:42)

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Segment Timestamps

• [02:38] – Jay Anderson’s rep in the UFO community
• [06:29] – Questioning human history and archaeology
• [11:06] – Pyramids, labyrinths, and underground anomalies
• [20:29] – On critical thinking and open-mindedness
• [22:45] – Lost civilizations and technological resets
• [28:33] – Jay Anderson’s strange orb/cloud encounter
• [37:43] – The Bigfoot debate
• [44:12] – The "giants" and Smithsonian controversy
• [50:45] – Jay’s call about faster-than-light tech
• [61:40] – The Age of Disclosure and government secrets
• [63:36] – Episode ratings and wrap-up

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Episode Ratings

• Adam: 7.5/10
• Brandon: 8/10
  Both particularly enjoyed the genuine, skeptical discussion around fantastical claims, commending the episode’s tone of curiosity over conclusion.

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Conclusion

This episode of the JRE Review is a wild, entertaining ride through the most mind-bending segments of Joe’s chat with Jay Anderson. Adam and Brandon blend earnest speculation, sharp skepticism, and good humor as they untangle claims about UFOs, ancient wonders, and cover-ups, capturing the spirit of modern alternative inquiry that makes Rogan’s show—and its review—so engaging.

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For any Rogan fan or “ancient mystery” enthusiast, this episode is a fun, thought-provoking listen that balances imagination with critical thinking—no matter how many ancient aliens or secret phone calls to light-speed engineers you believe in.

Transcript

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[Adam Thorne]

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[Brandon]

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[Adam Thorne]

Hey guys. And welcome to the Joe Rogan Experience Review, a podcast about a podcast. This week we are talking about Jay Anderson, UFOs, ancient civilizations, giants, you name it. Joined as always by my partner in crime, Brandon. What's up buddy?

[Brandon]

A pleasure, an honor to be here. Very excited to talk about UFOs and Bigfoot, aliens.

[Adam Thorne]

These are all the ancient. Always the best, dude.

[Brandon]

Always the best episodes. Always.

[Adam Thorne]

They're so fun.

[Brandon]

I feel like I should be stoned right now talking about some of this stuff.

[Adam Thorne]

I would do these for free, but instead I get paid for it, so I will.

[Brandon]

Cheers. Well, Jay Anderson does have a podcast as well. Project Unity. He's a UFO podcast.

[Adam Thorne]

He's good dude. He has good content. It's good stuff.

[Brandon]

Pretty good. Yeah. I was watching some of it up to the recording of the podcast we're doing now and there's some good stuff on it. I haven't, you know, watched or listened to any of it. Until his appearance on Rogan. And I enjoyed it quite a lot. And I say we jump into fan reception when it comes to this episode. I was a little shocked when I looked at fan reception now on YouTube. People really like this.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay.

[Brandon]

A lot of people are saying, well, at least it isn't Bert Kreischer.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, he came on. He came on two weeks later. So they were about.

[Brandon]

They might have manifested it.

[Adam Thorne]

They did it. They did that.

[Brandon]

But on Reddit, everyone's looking for something to complain about. There's people calling him a grifter, which I just don't understand because it's not like he's like, selling a book or he's like.

[Adam Thorne]

But here's the thing, here's the thing. He has kind of lost favor with some of the UFO community. And within that community, he's kind of got a bit fed up with some of the disclosure stuff and some of the people in that space, and that's turned off, you know, some of the Die Hards. So in a sense, he's made some enemies of some of these guys, you know, in their little clique group of conspiracy people. And, yeah, they're looking to get frustrated with him. I think he's a great dude, though. I'm like, just, you know, let him just be a bit pissed off with some stuff like, who cares?

[Brandon]

Yeah. A lot of people have issues with a story he tells, which we will get into. There's so much to get into for this podcast, but it's like another UFO guy with snake oil, where it was more of, like, a conversation and an analysis and not like, I know the truth.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Brandon]

I'm the key holder. Yeah. Where a lot of people calling him a grifter are framing it like that. Where that's not the case at all now with the whole UFO community and the age disclosure, that's a whole conversation there.

[Adam Thorne]

Sure, sure.

[Brandon]

That's a whole conversation there. Because that makes a lot of sense. He has kind of made enemies and especially on this podcast, has really cemented his relationship with certain people. Like. Like Lou, for example. Right. I think that was the biggest, like, contention there.

[Adam Thorne]

I think so. Yeah. You know, and also, I mean, look, when it comes to Reddit too, and we keep reading every week, like, what Reddit thinks about it, and no offense, Reddit, but who the fuck has Reddit been happy with recently? Do we even know anyone that they've not been annoyed with? Maybe Shane Gillis is the only person that survives Reddit reviews. Just because everyone loves Shane. He's like the Most likable person. He survives everything.

[Brandon]

I did listen to a podcast with Shane recently. He's like, yeah, I was on Reddit for 2 seconds and I saw something that said shangula sucks. I'm like, ah.

[Adam Thorne]

Even Shane can't get out of it. So even him.

[Brandon]

Even Shane can't escape it. Reddit, super critical. The whole point of Reddit, it's the shit on everything.

[Adam Thorne]

It is so true. It is so true.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Wow. This episode, where do we start, man? Do we start with ancient Egypt? Do we start with Bigfoot? Do we start with UFOs?

[Adam Thorne]

I think the big thing is, like, start with just how they started, like, questioning the official timeline. I, you know, I think that's the big piece that comes up again and again and again. And it's, you know, it's a quick, like, recap of it, but it's. It's really the foundation of looking into most of this stuff. It's like, why can't we do that? Because if we could just for a second, start to reanalyze why the timeline is so off potentially, you know, can't we just add 10,000 years to something and say, what if? And then really start to look at

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[Adam Thorne]

How does that change things? However we can? The archeologists don't let us do it. The historians don't let us do it. And I'm just more and more just not believing. I mean, to be frank, it's like every 10, 20 years, they find another couple of bones and they add 100,000 years to homo sapiens being on the planet. I'm like, that's a big fucking deal, dude. That's a long time. Literally doubling the amount of time that we've been here. And we can't add a few thousand years to, like, when Stonehenge was made or the pyramids. I'm like, get out of town on that one.

[Brandon]

Well, Adam, the issue here is we're talking about well paid scientists.

[Adam Thorne]

They're well paid, all right?

[Brandon]

Very well paid. And it's a decision of, you know, do I want to explore the truth or do I want to put my kids through college?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, that's.

[Brandon]

That's what it's. That's what it is. Do I want what it is.

[Adam Thorne]

Tenure. Do I want tenure or do I want to join or do I want

[Brandon]

this sick new stereo? You know, it's like, that's what it is. That's what it is. And they talk about it in the episode where it's like, yeah, you're gonna get shunned.

[Adam Thorne]

It's true.

[Brandon]

You know, if. If you explore these topics, like, the whole idea of, like, the. The mummified alien with the eggs and stuff, it's like nuts. If you talk about that and you're in a very respected field, they're like, oh, you're crazy. Then get the out of here. Where it's like there's. It's not just a conspiracy. It's not just like a thought. There's. There is something there. There is something there.

[Adam Thorne]

But it's getting. It's getting easier, though. They're starting to pay more and more attention. There are legit, because there was that guy from Ohio that. What was the name? He was a professor from Ohio that Rogan was talking to. And, yeah, he looks like. Looked into the bones and looks into, like, real shit like this. And he's taken seriously. He gets the lecture on it. His bosses don't give him a hard time about it. They're like, hey, I'm open to it. Check it out. Take a look. Like, it's all good. We're not, like, dismissing. Yeah, it's getting closer, you know, and I think people like Graham Hancock are really opening the door to that. And, you know, that's why someone like Graham is such a big deal, because they've had to really put themselves out there. And he's taken some punishment. He took the blows, he took the arrows, you know, and stood there and did it for all the people that get to follow him safely into this pursuit. And that's why my hat goes off to him all day long. And he deserves all the accolades that he gets. And I love that. Rogan has always stood by him, you know, and he. He was the first. Rogan always says it, the first legit guest on the Joe Rogan experience. And I think that's why Joe's loyalty with him runs so deep. And, you know, look what he's done already for archeology and the way people think about history as a whole. I mean, those Netflix series that he's done. Game Changer. Game Changer to this timeline.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Even Keanu Reeves went on that. Dude, that's how you know it's legit.

[Brandon]

That's how you know that solidifies it easily. Yeah. So. So how do you feel about their pyramid discussion here with the potential labyrinth? There's so much potential in what could be down there. The scans and everything.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. I mean, a mile and a half. Structures that go underneath the pyramids, they've been scanned hundreds of times. Supposedly, this radar tomography technology is almost 100% accurate and they've measured it against other structures that we have measured.

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missed calls, no missed customers very accurately. And we know what they're like. And the scans come back exactly the same. The computer models can recreate it. We believe this to be true. A mile and a half down there are four plus giant 80 meter by 80 meter granite blocks. There's no granite around there. It's like sandstone got taken down there. I mean, the structures themselves are more complicated to construct than the pyramids. This is something we couldn't do today. You know, it's one thing to say, oh yeah, we could do the pyramids today Would just take forever, and it would cost a lot of money. But we got the machines, you know. You know, it could plausibly be done. We're not digging. We're not building something a mile and a half underground like that with giant granite blocks. Number one, where do you even get granite blocks that are 80 meters by 80 meters? Do they even have, like, can you dig up a granite block that big? Do we have chunks of granite like that on the planet?

[Brandon]

Well, they were exploring a whole idea of, I guess you can make it, but I just don't see how they would have. Even the ingredient, the amount of ingredients,

[Adam Thorne]

that's a huge cauldron.

[Brandon]

And the mold, it's. It's just. It doesn't make any sense.

[Adam Thorne]

Mind blowing. And, you know, they're trying to tell us that people that are, like, a little bit above cave people did this. Almost like little hammers chiseling away. I'm like, bro, your story sucks. You know, the gaslighting is over at this point. Shut up, dude. Shut up. And that's the thing. It's like they. They're barely pulling it off with the pyramid story. We're almost not buying it. Let's be fair. A lot of people are not buying it. Joe's not been buying it. Many people are not. But, you know, many people still buy it. You can talk to a lot of people, they're like, oh, yeah, it was just built by them back in the day. They're not really thinking about it. It's like, it's fine. You know, you start giving them some facts about it, like, how many blocks there are, how big they are, how far they were brought in, you know, how it's perfectly aligned and all this. Maybe. Maybe some people start asking some more questions. You throw these structures underneath, and people are like, wait, what? Hold on. Huh? And be like, yeah, yeah. It's bigger than anything ever built ever by anyone in the history of the world. And it was built further back than anyone ever built anything that we know of. Go figure, huh?

[Brandon]

Yeah, it's. It makes no sense. And I can't even begin to think about what it could possibly be. Like, what it would take to make this. Like, at this point. I know it's like, will the bricks, you know, it has to be aliens now. This is. This has to definitely be aliens.

[Adam Thorne]

This has to be.

[Brandon]

It has to to be, dude. It has to be, like, what else? Because it's like, okay, you can think of the whole idea. It's like, what if it's like an ancient Civilization that was very advanced, even more advanced than we are now. Yeah, there would have to be evidence of that. And I know there are scans. Apparently there's a metallic object underneath in the labyrinth, which who knows what that could be. Potentially a ufo. It just, it doesn't make sense because even if we did have the technology to do that, there would be evidence of it. There would 100% be evidence of it. And the fact that it would just be so localized, like it's so confusing. It has to be aliens. Yeah, it has to be.

[Adam Thorne]

Or like you're saying, I mean, a race of humans that would have been the equivalent of thousands of years more advanced than we are today. How the heck would they have forgotten all of this stuff? Like we literally. Then what? Got blown back to the Stone Age? You're telling me we didn't write anything down? Nothing.

[Brandon]

Nothing.

[Adam Thorne]

We didn't even pass one book. One book.

[Brandon]

So localized as well. Like you're saying all that advancement was just in like this one area?

[Adam Thorne]

Well, but to be fair, I think that once they start scanning more places, I wouldn't be surprised if these things are potentially under many of the big pyramids around the world.

[Brandon]

That's true.

[Adam Thorne]

That wouldn't be a shocker to me. You know, if they start measuring the ones in Mexico and they're like, oh, big surprise. They're all giant, you know, energy generating machines from.

[Brandon]

It's like, holy. There's like a Dave and Busters under this one. You know, it's like, who knows? And there's also allegedly one in the Arctic. Right, Right. This is a little bit of a conspiracy here.

[Adam Thorne]

That one's, that one's interesting. I mean it does look pretty pyramid. Shapey.

[Brandon]

Very pyramid. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

If you, if you look it up on the map.

[Brandon]

Pyramid.

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[Brandon]

Right?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, whoa. But think about it. I mean, if they're as old as they is, these timelines could possibly suggest, then it's entirely possible that there was no ice on Antarctica for a long time. And then why not, why not have people there that build pyramids?

[Brandon]

I mean, well, it's like humanity could have been fucking around like a million years ago.

[Adam Thorne]

Sure.

[Brandon]

You know what I mean? It's. We don't, we have no idea what our timeline is.

[Adam Thorne]

We really don't, dude.

[Brandon]

And going back to, you know, we've mentioned this before, but like the, what was it? 4 million year old wagon wheel that was petrified.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh yeah. In Russia.

[Brandon]

Russian mine. Like, I don't know. I don't know anymore. I, I Think people just need to be open minded and you can't have this whole textbook ideology of like it, well, it says in paragraph three, page 40. So that's when we started. It's like, yeah, we don't know shit of my one kind of an idea. But we don't know shit. We really don't.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, my 102 history class said that it didn't go like that. It's like, okay, yeah, then sure it didn't. Yeah.

[Brandon]

All right, buddy.

[Adam Thorne]

Yes. Well done, well done.

[Brandon]

Whatever dude. You know, I know you're an expert here. It's, it's, it's so I, I feel like this is a subject that we as a society, as a, as a species need to just be very open to. There's so much about us that, and just the earth and the world and everything that we really need to be open to. Like it's okay to take the facts as is as we have them right now. You know, it's, it's okay to question them, but like it's all right to see them be like, okay, that makes sense. But at the same time to embrace new information and not just like hold on to, to old just because, well, my grandfather studied this and he found this. So that has to be the truth. It's like we don't know.

[Adam Thorne]

Sure.

[Brandon]

It's a stepping stone. Yeah, like, like whatever it is. And if it's wrong, I, I feel like people need to acknowledge that at least like I was a part of the, the journey to get to the truth.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, it's just not helpful to be wrong. We don't do that with any other pursuit. We don't go, oh, we're just going to be wrong about math or wrong about physics or wrong about anything else and like carry on with it. So why would we just be like. Well no, we prefer to be wrong about history and archeology because we feel safer then. Well why, why not believe that way long ago we actually were way more advanced for a while and then we just got wiped out. Is it that it's too scary to deal with that we could get wiped out again? We already know the flood stories happened. They were very likely to have happened. We know that the dinosaurs wiped out by a massive asteroid hit the earth. There were probably some others that came in between then. I mean it's, it happens.

[Brandon]

It could have been a geopolitical conflict,

[Adam Thorne]

you know, could have been big old each other. Ancient nukes. Good old ancient nukes or something else. Maybe they different sound wave bombs.

[Brandon]

Right? What if that's what aliens are, they're ancient Egyptians who with this technology, you know, fled the planet because of some something. Could have been massive volcanoes, could have been an asteroid. Who knows? It could have been something. And then every time a UFO does appear, it's just us from the past. Or maybe it's just humans from a different civilization. Who knows? It's just getting real out there.

[Adam Thorne]

No. No. But it's not though. Think Elon is about to send a rocket to Mars. He's gonna do it at the end of this year. You're telling me in a hundred years he couldn't be have like people already living on Mars? 100 years from now is one person from now. That's one person. He can have people living up there. That's people living on a completely different planet. Now if something horrible happened on Earth and they're living on Mars, well, now we have people.

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[Adam Thorne]

on a different planet with a bunch of really cool technology and everyone on Earth just got blown back to the stone Age. You give that 500 years, well now all of a sudden you have aliens that can visit Earth in advanced Crafts and people on Earth are just, you know, bonking each other on heads with logs and going, what the hell is that thing flying around in the sky? And the guys from Mars are teaching them how to make fire, and they're just scratching it into their tablets. And there we go. History's starting up all over again.

[Brandon]

Exactly.

[Adam Thorne]

Why not?

[Brandon]

Maybe that's happened five or six times already.

[Adam Thorne]

Why not?

[Brandon]

And I feel like we have such a long way to go still. You know what I mean? What's the closest we have to a pyramid thing as a society? What, the Bass Pro shops in Vegas?

[Adam Thorne]

Good point.

[Brandon]

That's all we have.

[Adam Thorne]

That's gonna be it.

[Brandon]

Like. Like, look at that structure. And especially if, you know, all these scans are accurate, and I bet there's even more to it than we know, then that's in those scans. Because it seems like with every new piece of the puzzle, it just gets, like, whoa, there's that all. It just gets deeper and deeper and more complex. Who knows? Yeah, like this massive labyrinth. Apparently there's 3,000 chambers from what a scan predicted. It's just insane. What we don't know. And what. What's in there? Oh, my God. To find out what's in there, we

[Adam Thorne]

got to get down there.

[Brandon]

I'm not sure we'll ever find out. I really don't.

[Adam Thorne]

Because they owe it to. That's not just an Egyptian thing. That's human. That's a human thing. Humans deserve to know. I say I don't want to put too much pressure on Egypt right now, but I say we're allowed to invade them if they don't let us get down there. All right, we allowed to put the pressure of invasion on there because we're like, we got to get in there. So you got a couple of choices. Choice number one, Let us in. Easy way or the hard way. That's all I'll say. We just give him a card, you know, direct mail, first class, you know, delivered like. Like when you get served in the courts, like, that guy just hands it to their president so we know it's serious. And then it just says, easy way or hard way? And then it just has a finger pointing to the pyramids underneath.

[Brandon]

We're going to send troops into the pyramids. It's probably going to be just like Alien versus Predator, but we don't care. They're ar. They're going in there. Yeah. And we're going to find whatever that metallic object is.

[Adam Thorne]

Sponsored by Netflix GoPros it's going to

[Brandon]

be on Twitch it's going to be sick.

[Adam Thorne]

They're going to have machine guns.

[Brandon]

That's what I'm picturing. Yeah, they're all. Even with jet packs. It's going to be sick, man. It's. It's crazy, man. Now, okay, speaking of aliens, now he tells the story about orbs, what's going on in the backyard, you know, and he sees the light blinking and then it's this cloud.

[Adam Thorne]

Hold on, let's preface this a little bit. Because he was going out there to try to see orbs. This was the interesting part. And this almost when he said that, I was like, I'm a bit suspicious of someone trying to look for a thing. You know what I mean? It's like, it's not the same as going, I'm going out to the woods to. To hunt for mushrooms. And then you come back with mushrooms. It's like, well, yeah, you went to find mushrooms, but you're going out to the woods to find something that no one's ever seen. And you say you saw it and come back and you just tell people you saw it. Sure you did, bud. So he's going out there to see the things and then he just gets to this point where he can like, start to call them in almost. He had like this feeling about it wasn't that it summons, summoned it.

[Brandon]

And I think it was after two years of doing this. Right. And his whole idea is like. Okay, because like, telekinesis is a big thing in like, you know, studying UFOs and aliens. Of course, there's a lot of examples of that. And it's like, okay, I'm just gonna, like, sit in the backyard and just try to get a signal, you know?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

And you know, he was talking about that there'd be a blinking light and it'd move and stuff. But then after two years, it was this cloud which had this almost like fuzzy, like static surrounding to it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. Cloaking. Cloaked.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Which is just like in the movie. Nope. Right. Where it was like a cloud. Ufo, I believe. But anyway, it moves towards him and apparently it's like these orbs kind of shuffling around and it leaves a mark on him.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, and then was. Nope. On like the farm.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Yes, I know exactly what you mean. That's right.

[Brandon]

Yep.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Where there's like, they're like that cloud as it moves.

[Adam Thorne]

Yep.

[Brandon]

So it's. It's, hey, you know, age of disclosure. But yeah. Yeah. So leaves that mark. And that kind of freaked me the out, like, whatever, if it's real or Not I. What's. What's so freaky about aliens and what's so kind of scary about this whole concept is just how much power, you know, the aliens, UFOs, all that has over us, how small. Like the intelligence and power is like us two ants.

[Adam Thorne]

Yes.

[Brandon]

And just the fact that like. Like something like that could happen. But they also talk about the idea of, like, maybe it's. That is a being within itself. It's like they were talking about the whole idea of, like, amoebas the size of whales in space, where it's like more of a Lovecraftian being. It's. It's quite a interesting thing. But do you believe his story? Because I don't know what to think about it. I really don't.

[Adam Thorne]

He doesn't seem like a liar, and I don't think that he would come on and just fabricate that. Now there is the possibility that he saw maybe something and then told that story so many times that the story itself changes in your mind. Because basically, as far as we understand it, how memories work is the more you recall a memory and therefore either speak to it or just think about that particular memory, you actually rewrite it every time that you bring it up, which is a bizarre thing. So, in fact, the more accurate a memory is are ones that you haven't remembered too many times, if you can believe that, because you haven't rewritten it too many times. So they start to change each time. Imagine just having a book next to a book with no pictures on, and then you've got your picture of your memory and you have to write it. Once you think about it, you have to write it now out in the black book, and then you put the blank book back in the library. That's the idea. So each time you're changing a detail, probably by accident. So things do change, and it's quite well tested because, you know, they just go into descriptions and they'd be like, well, what was the color of the lights that you saw? And be like, yeah, it was blue. But then they go back to the actual thing and it know it was green or red. And they can follow the timeline of the memory and that person recalling it, and it just changed over time with each recall. So my point to this is maybe it got more elaborate over time. And really what he saw was just a bit of a wobbly cloud and then a tiny light and he got excited about it.

[Brandon]

Yeah, it's almost like a mental game of Password. You know, maybe he was just fucked up one night, went Outside smoked three cigarettes and put each one out on his arm. You know, who knows?

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, yeah, that. That little.

[Brandon]

The three. The. Yeah, the triangle.

[Adam Thorne]

Joe was not impressed with that at all. And to be fair, good. Joe, good. Don't fall into that game. Joe was just like, I don't know. I'm not really bothered about that at all. The guy.

[Brandon]

I'm not a dermatologist, dude. I don't know what you want.

[Adam Thorne]

Jay really wanted that to be like, the. The proof of the icing on the cake. He's like, that could be anything. That's like three dots. So what? Yeah. Did not. Did not sell Joe at all. And to be fair, for good reason. It's like, sure, buddy. That means a lot to you because of the circumstances of you getting it. But to anyone else, it looks like nothing. Sorry.

[Brandon]

Honestly, good on Joe for being like, well, I don't know what to tell you because that's just such an insane story.

[Adam Thorne]

It's insane. Yeah.

[Brandon]

Like, that's just so crazy. It's not like one day you saw a light and then you woke up and you had the thing. It's like. Like, that's just insane. That would change my life. That happened to me. That would be like.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, I didn't really get it because he. He said it. Like, he didn't say it actually physically interacted with him, so why would it mock him?

[Brandon]

I don't know.

[Adam Thorne]

Like, he said it kind of flew over him.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

But, like, it was just like, oh, I'm just gonna zap him with three little dots for some reason. Is that, like, part of his scan?

[Brandon]

Yeah. I don't know, man. Like orb, cloud, aliens. I don't know.

[Adam Thorne]

This.

[Brandon]

This is getting to the. In the realm of, like, whether you're

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[Brandon]

Like, I don't even know.

[Adam Thorne]

Either way, whatever it did, it certainly was a catalyst for him getting obsessed, and it's led to a lot of great content. So I'm glad he had that experience, regardless of if he fabricated a lot of it or if it was just, you know, if it was that compelling and real. I don't know. It just doesn't sound like any other type of close encounter type thing that I've heard of, so it's hard to kind of put it in a box or a category. Like, oh, yeah, that's like, those ones just sounds more like a dream.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Like you fell asleep.

[Brandon]

So out there.

[Adam Thorne]

Fell asleep in a field.

[Brandon]

Yeah. It's like, hey, man, you know, if. If it takes a cloud to bruise you to start a podcast, like, you know, more power to you.

[Adam Thorne]

Whatever inspires you. I've. I've started podcasts over less, let's be honest. Yeah, for sure.

[Brandon]

The Joe Rogan Experience Review.

[Adam Thorne]

There we go.

[Brandon]

All right, so here's. Here's the classic question here. Here's the real question.

[Adam Thorne]

We got.

[Brandon]

What we got? Is Bigfoot real?

[Adam Thorne]

No.

[Brandon]

No.

[Adam Thorne]

But he was once coordinate Joe.

[Brandon]

And when was that?

[Adam Thorne]

Long time. He was walking, like a hundred thousand plus years ago. They had a big old monkey walking around last Saturday. No, like, way, way, long, way, long way, long ago.

[Brandon]

I can't let go of it, dude. I can't let go of it.

[Adam Thorne]

You want to believe. You want to believe.

[Brandon]

I'm. I want to believe.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, look, dude, I mean, you talk to like, Les Stroud, that guy that does the. Those survival shows that are great where he's just filming himself. And, you know, and some, you know, there are people that swear by it. They go out into the, like, the west woods, like those massive forests in, like, where is it? Like Washington and around there, probably Alaska. I don't know. And they hear, like, noises where they're like, that is a monkey. Sounds like a giant ape. Monkey thing. You know, I know these woods or I know the animals out here. This is not that. This is something else. Or I know the movement and the sounds of them are. And you know, people can make mistakes and. And things can sound different and whatever, but, you know, you get really experienced outdoorsmen that they just kind of know those areas. Coming back with these strange stories a little bit, it's compelling. Makes you think, well, hold on, hold on here. Maybe we should take a look. But it would be hard to hide it. And then they start throwing other theories in just to Keep it going. Like they can teleport or something, go through portals. That's why we don't ever find them. I'm like, all right, now we're really working hard to make this one last. It's like we'd find some travelers. Yeah, time travelers. We'd find some bones. We'd find something. You know, like, we don't even have a good footprint. We got no pictures. We got nothing. You know, giant pile of monkey poop. Surely we'd find that. What are they carrying that poop off?

[Brandon]

Also, the amount of Bigfoot a Sasquatch would need to eat be a lot. You know what I mean? That's a lot of food. That's so much food. And the fact that I feel like we have most footage. Ton of bananas, thousands in the late 90s and 2000s, I thought is when we got like most of the Bigfoot footage. Now everyone has a phone that shoots 4K. Where are they?

[Adam Thorne]

Where is it?

[Brandon]

You know, so. And it's like with the amount of hunters. Hunters would see these things for sure.

[Adam Thorne]

For sure.

[Brandon]

Lenders would see them. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

I mean, even if they're really good at hiding, I mean, there's like drones, you know, there's planes flying over. There's stuff, you know, they can't be that good at hiding something somewhere would see a big ass monkey walking around.

[Brandon]

You know, there's this interesting concept of like, what if they're just past humans and it's like spirits of past humans. It's us. It's like kind of how time isn't really linear. Like it's all just kind of a circle, you know, and if it's just kind of past humans fading in and out of our timeline,

[Adam Thorne]

is that a

[Brandon]

little too trippy for you?

[Adam Thorne]

But I mean, I mean, at that point, then yeah, you can just. Of course you can just add enough bits to it to where it's like, yeah, dragons too. They're dragon ghost monkey spirits that are aliens that came from the past. And they're also your grandfather. Why not?

[Brandon]

And they're gay.

[Adam Thorne]

They're definitely. Well, they're LGBTQ positive, 100% Sasquatch. They're progressive Sasquatchy, and they're vegetarian.

[Brandon]

What do you think about that story of that. That Russian astronaut where they. He talks about it where a Bigfoot walks into the break room. This is crazy. I've never heard anything like this. Walks into the break room. I just get to like a water and then is like, yo.

[Adam Thorne]

And then just dips and supposedly a bunch of people saw it. I'm just like, I. I need to put that whole thing together. Can we interview all those people?

[Brandon]

I'm just. I'm. The thing is, I'm just not there yet. You know what I mean? I'm just not there yet. You can't just give me that information. I'm like, okay, I'll think about that. Like, I just. I can't.

[Adam Thorne]

Like.

[Brandon]

Well, I have to put that aside. I have to say, that's crazy. You said that. And I have to move on.

[Adam Thorne]

Would you throw in astronaut? Because it adds credibility. Right, right. It's like, who is the most credible? They're like, astronauts. Everyone trusts astronauts. Be like, well, this astronaut saw a Bigfoot walk into a break room. It's like the whole thing. I'm like, if that's not the beginning of a terrible joke, I don't know what it is. Yeah. You know, it doesn't make any sense.

[Brandon]

It's like a Bigfoot walked into the room, got some water, and left. It's like, yes, I've seen similar shit in college. You know, I've been on psychedelics. Yeah, it sounds like something that you would see on a trip or something. You know, it's like. I don't know, it seems insane. It really does seem insane.

[Adam Thorne]

But, hey, but he likes it. He likes it. He's inclined to believe it. It kind of makes you think, well, is this guy a bit gullible, though? And look, I say that with all due respect. I like Jay. I like his content. I think he's great. I like the way he explores ideas. And I think also he is willing to go down many rabbit holes with many types of stories.

[Brandon]

Yeah. Where I feel like. I don't know, man, if a cloud put a cigarette out on me, I'd believe fucking anything at that point.

[Adam Thorne]

I'd be open to a lot.

[Brandon]

I'd be.

[Adam Thorne]

I'd be.

[Brandon]

I'd be fucking open, man. I'd be like, yeah, there's Bigfoots in every state. If that's. If that happened to me, anything's possible.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, but let's talk about the big one. That phone call that he got when he.

[Brandon]

Yes, that.

[Adam Thorne]

Now, this is the big one. This is the thing we end this episode on because it's really the mind blower of all mind fucks.

[Brandon]

Hold on, hold on.

[Adam Thorne]

We got something else.

[Brandon]

We gotta just. We gotta touch on this for a second.

[Adam Thorne]

Okay? Okay. I don't want to miss anything on this. We're not in a rush.

[Brandon]

We can't miss this.

[Adam Thorne]

We're not in a rush.

[Brandon]

Rush the Giants.

[Adam Thorne]

Oh, yeah.

[Brandon]

We can't, we can't skim over this.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, let's miss.

[Brandon]

I just.

[Adam Thorne]

Hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Brandon]

What?

[Adam Thorne]

Smithsonian is going to be real upset with us if we go into the Giants because they've been trying to hide this for some time. I'm just going to say that. So you better watch out. We're going to be back.

[Brandon]

We're going to be on a list. We're going to be on the list for sure. Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

We're not going to be able to use our student discount to get into that museum from now on. It's gonna be a problem.

[Brandon]

Dude, what's so funny about the Giants is like, dude, they're, they're like giants. They're like seven foot one. It's like, dude, that's like, that's smaller than Shaq.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, we got that now.

[Brandon]

Yeah. And that's. And you know, I, I did some research after this. Like, and I, I watched a couple documentaries and like, dude, the giant skeletons there were, there were tombs of giant skeletons. They were all like eight foot. It's like, I believe that makes a lot of sense. Like that makes sense. But at that point, could we just call them tall people?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Instead of these mythic, giant, really well fed, ancient people. NBA players.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. I mean, eight foot is like real big. But I don't, I feel like if you just started breeding a lot of seven foot people together, you could start to get to eight foot pretty quick. You know what I mean? Like, look what we did with dogs. They were all wolves and now we have Chihuahuas. If we like really selectively did that with humans, where we were just like, right. Only the tallest ones in this village can breed. It's like arranged marriages. Tallest only. Go over there, keep putting them over there. Before you know it, you've got a whole stack of seven and a half foot, eight foot plus people.

[Brandon]

Right? Yeah, it's like someone finding like the bones of like a little person being like, dude, there were hobbits.

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[Brandon]

There were hobbits, you know. No, there's people, there's people nowadays who like, you know, have that deficiency where they can't stop growing and hit like 10 foot, 10ft.

[Adam Thorne]

Right.

[Brandon]

You know, it just happens in, in humanity, like humans in humanity. It's a thing that's happened, but at the same time it's cool. You look at like the Bible, all right, Goliath was allegedly nine foot. Nine. It's big according to the Bible. And, and it's very possible if back in the day there were just humans like a, like almost like a subspecies almost, or like a breed, I guess, who were just naturally very big, like ten foot, you know, and then it goes back to. You can connect this also to Stonehenge, allegedly. There's a lot of people who believe they were built by giants as well. But that's, that's not a ten foot guy. That's, that has to be. That's like a cyclops almost sized person.

[Adam Thorne]

But then also that's how a really dumb person would describe how Stonehenge was built if they didn't know how Stonehenge was built.

[Brandon]

Right.

[Adam Thorne]

If you were really dumb and you just, you know, had just like, you live in like a kind of crummy barn style house thing. And then you look at Stonehenge and you're like, well, giants, giant people pick up rock, move rock, and there we go. The legend is born.

[Brandon]

I wish people can like be a little more intelligent and understand that aliens built it.

[Adam Thorne]

Clearly. Aliens built it. Wobbly clouds. Wobbly clouds.

[Brandon]

Well, we had to get that out of the way.

[Adam Thorne]

No, no, I like it. I like it. Yes, well, the Smithsonian had the bones, they hid them. And that's all we know about that. So.

[Brandon]

Yeah, why would that. I don't get that, that like whole perspective though. Why would they hide them?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, it would be the coolest reason to go to the Smithsonian unless there was some history that was being hidden. The idea is, it's like the Catholic Church doesn't want that timeline to be told because it like ruins their whole grip on humanity. So they put pressure on these institutions to not allow this. That's the whole kind of construction.

[Brandon]

But aren't there giants in the Bible, the Book of Enoch? Aren't There.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, but they took that book out, remember?

[Brandon]

Oh, yeah, that is true.

[Adam Thorne]

So they don't like that.

[Brandon]

But even like Goliath, I feel like it's like, hey, Goliath, remember?

[Adam Thorne]

Isn't that Old Testament, though?

[Brandon]

Yeah, well, yeah, I guess you're right. You know, it's not canon. Whatever the. I, you know, I gotta, I gotta look at the Bible lore again.

[Adam Thorne]

But get up to speed, dude. Come on. Yeah, I'm not here to teach you the Bible.

[Brandon]

I know I gotta do my homework.

[Adam Thorne]

This isn't the Bible Review. This is the Joe Rogan Review. Come on.

[Brandon]

I might have to be a sub podcast at some point, right?

[Adam Thorne]

Well, look, let's finish on the big call. The big call. This one was bananas and also a lot of fun. And again, no proof, no nothing. We gotta take this guy's word for it. And this is really where it comes down to the credibility that you have in this person. Right? And this is what he's building up with you for three hours on his podcast, right? Or if you know his work. Joe obviously likes him, follows his stuff, thinks it's good. I mean, sometimes you can kind of pass that credibility search to somebody else. You know, if you're a Rogan fan, we trust Rogan. He's done his own version of research. So he gets in contact with this guy, he gets this phone call and this guy says he works on this project and he's kept this, this secret for a long time. And he said, look, they'd kill me if I ever said anything about this, but I can build a spaceship or a machine or a device that can travel, what was it, 280 times the speed of light? You seem pretty damn specific too. I'm like 280. What do you measure it? You got a speed gun out there, why exactly that speed? But Anyway, that speed, 280 times the speed of light. And he was saying he could build this many, many years ago. This was like a thing we can do. And that's the story. Where do you go from there? It's like, okay, bullshit, done, move on. Or what? And what do you do with that information if that is the case? Let's just add that to the mix, right? Let's put that in the story for just a second. Well, why have we just had regular jets and fighter jets and things like that? Why are we fighting wars with fighter jets and regular moving vehicles then? What the hell have they been doing with these multiple time light traveling devices? What is happening with this type of technology? Who has it what do they use it for? Are they just messing with all of us while they are doing God knows what at the speed of light?

[Brandon]

Well, this definitely falls under the umbrella of the age of disclosure, you know, because a lot of that was talked about. And this is a thing that.

[Adam Thorne]

Yep.

[Brandon]

You can actually look at this and be like, okay, this makes sense here because there is a lot of evidence that we've been able to back engineer alien crafts for a while now. All right, now why don't we know about this? Because Exxon, because Shell, you know, we're going to be guzzling gas till we die. It's going to happen. We're not going to get this technology, unfortunately. I hate to say it, I hate to break it to everyone, but money, money, money. That's what it's all about. And if you snap your fingers and boom, you can have a car that doesn't take gas. You know, all you do is get in it. You're in a place in two seconds. You don't have to fly anywhere. You don't need airlines anymore. You don't need it. Like, it's over. It's. It's you. We can't. Money controls everything. And so many of these corporations, like, they're. They have such an iron grip on this planet, on humanity's evolution. And I think there is a special group of people who get to be outside of that and get to enjoy the fruits of the gods.

[Adam Thorne]

They get to zip around at light speed.

[Brandon]

Yes.

[Adam Thorne]

It's all the Exxon CEOs, those bastards.

[Brandon]

They get to fast travel to Venus and all this bullshit.

[Adam Thorne]

They're going to talk to the aliens. They are the aliens the whole time. The Exxon execs.

[Brandon]

Maybe it's the Bigfoots who have this

[Adam Thorne]

technology just selling us oil. I know, dude, it's wild. It's a cool story, though. It just is cool. And I don't know, to be in that position to get the call, like, you know, you got to think of it from his point of view, too. Like he knew kind of like the credibility of this person. Obviously, this person had a backstory. It wasn't just like some lunatic that got on the phone. He knew that, like where this guy worked, you know, heard rumors of this person. This person had been connected to X, Y and Z in different, you know, areas of. Of technological development and, you know, secret kind of engineering projects and all the rest of it. So he wasn't a kook. And then he also says something like this, right? So either he's just suddenly Lost his mind and he's completely full of shit. Or he suddenly got brave and he's talking about a program that he worked on that is real and is absolutely fucking mind blowing. And he can't keep that secret anymore. He's like, this is eating me alive. This is insane that I know how to do this and I'm gonna die and no one's gonna ever know how to do it because like, what.

[Brandon]

How do you live with that? The fact how evolved our technology is? And it's like. And it feels like you're living in

[Adam Thorne]

the past, dude, why not write it down and just start sprinkling it all over the Internet randomly, anonymously. Just put it everywhere.

[Brandon]

Yeah. It's like living in the 1800s and knowing how to build an iPhone.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah. You know, just dump it. Dump it. Start sending like zip drives to people randomly in the mail and just be like, don't lose this.

[Brandon]

I mean, waterboard for life, you know, because the government will be fucking pissed. Really?

[Adam Thorne]

Because someone will be pissed.

[Brandon]

There is a. Almost like a space race right now, apparently a secret, you know, space race when it comes to UFO technology between countries. Allegedly.

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[Brandon]

You know of back engineering UFOs, where if somebody's like, hey, everyone, this is how you do it. You know, the US is going to be like, we're going to fucking hang you by your balls for life for doing this.

[Adam Thorne]

They're going to be pissed.

[Brandon]

They're going to be pissed. And that's something you don't fuck around with. Like, like, as cool as it would be to know that information, I would. I would sew my mouth shut. I am not telling anybody that. Even though as much as I believe everything should be on the table, no Matter the consequences. It's. It's what? It's reality. I'm sorry if you can't handle it. It's reality.

[Adam Thorne]

Well, you know what I mean.

[Brandon]

All right, A society, we need to figure it out. We need to accept it.

[Adam Thorne]

How about you do a bunch of time capsules and then people can't open them until after you're dead? Then you'll be fine. Ten years after you're dead, everyone can dig up the thing, and all they think they're gonna dig up is like, oh, a pair of Nike Jordans and, you know, a vintage copy of Mario Brothers. Or like, they just think it's gonna be old shit. That's cool. But no, it's how you build a faster than light spaceship. And now the government can't get you because you're already dead.

[Brandon]

Imagine your grandfather dies and his will to you are like instructions to build a ufo. How sick would that be? That's like the start of, like, a Disney movie.

[Adam Thorne]

That'd be dope.

[Brandon]

My ufo?

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah.

[Brandon]

Zip around and shit.

[Adam Thorne]

No, it's better than a Disney movie.

[Brandon]

Yeah.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, dude. That'd be the way to do it. That'd be the way to do it. I don't know. This. This was a wild conversation. I'm so glad that Joe's having so many of these UFO ones. It just feels like something's happening and we're getting real close to something coming out. It's like it's coming from the government's end now it's coming, you know, more and more of Joe's stuff is happening. Um, more guests are coming on, talking about this, I just feel like. Yeah, it's close. Something big is going to be said soon. Do you know that? I think next month we're sending astronauts back to the moon. Did you know that?

[Brandon]

No.

[Adam Thorne]

It's like, not. Yeah, nobody's talking about it, dude. After all that time, like 50 years, we're sending people back to the moon like next month, and no one even cares knows about it. It's like, boring. Well, we're just going back up there again. We finally, like, made the vehicles again, and we, you know, figured out to do it. Now they're not gonna land on the moon. They're just gonna go around it and then come.

[Brandon]

I just kind of scan it.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, they're just going around.

[Brandon]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Make a holiday out of it.

[Adam Thorne]

You would think that we could easily just go land on it because we did it so long ago, but turns out hard. It's really very difficult and we're not good at it anymore and. But we're going to get close, we're going to go around and then we're

[Brandon]

going to come off card on it. It's. It's a lot.

[Adam Thorne]

Hopefully they take some close up pictures of all the shit that we left there before so the, you know, the moon deniers can shut the fuck up for a minute and that'll piss them off. But we'll see. We'll see if it actually does. Probably won't. They probably come up with some more reasons why that's not true. It's models.

[Brandon]

They put it there CGI AI now what do you think about this? And I, you know the whole age of disclosure discussion where he's kind of shit on it a little bit. He thinks it's kind of a government operation.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, yeah.

[Brandon]

And he thinks Lou is a plant now, you know, I can. Whatever it is, whatever if. How much government backing there is here, whatever. I'm kind of on Joe's side here where it's like, whatever they have to do, however they feel like they need to ease this conversation and this information into the public, let them do it. Whatever. Let them do it.

[Adam Thorne]

I'm with Joe on this one. Honestly, it's like, give us something, you bastards. It's the same as the Epstein list. Give us something. We know that you're gonna curate the story and propagandize the shit out of us, but give us something because you've given us nothing for so long and you've gaslit the fuck out of us. Give us something to just sink our teeth into and then it is amnesty.

[Brandon]

I really do think it's that.

[Adam Thorne]

It's gotta be. Yeah, there's. Well, there was some shenanigans, dude, and there was a lot of money spent and people are gonna have questions and people are worried about that they're gonna get in trouble. So. But more and more. More and more of those people have retired or died now. So, you know, it's opened the door, but still a lot of people are worried and you know, there's a lot of legacies on the line too. So yeah, they're gonna have to figure out something on the way, but we deserve to know. And I think they're getting close.

[Brandon]

Well, hey, giants are real, Bigfoot is gay and we have UFOs.

[Adam Thorne]

Allegedly. Anyway, thank you guys so much for listening. We appreciate it. This episode. I gave, honestly, I gave this a 7.5 out of 10. I really enjoyed it. But then I'm a bit biased to the ufo, ancient civilization ones. I really love those. So check it out if you haven't seen it. What did you think, Brandon? Give it a score?

[Brandon]

I am going to give it an 8 out of 10 actually. Round you up. Nice. It was fun. Like the story to the orb story. Yeah, it's a little out there, but it's still an entertaining listen.

[Adam Thorne]

It is.

[Brandon]

And the Bigfoot stuff and the giants and the whole kind of conversation of like, what is the age of disclosure? What is the goal here? And looking at it like that and not just being like a dude who's like, yeah, man, I'm a UFO expert. I know. I know what all this is about and I'm gonna tell you. And then you can go after buy my book and learn more about it. It's. It seemed like a genuine conversation for sure. And there was some skepticism behind, like, some of these topics. And it's not just, yeah, that's real and here's why. It just felt like an open conversation and there was no real bias with some of these topics. So I enjoyed it quite a lot.

[Adam Thorne]

Yeah, I liked him. I want to. I want to see him back on. I liked his perspective in a lot of ways.

[Brandon]

Anyway, great podcast too. Yep.

[Adam Thorne]

Thank you so much, guys, as always, and we will talk to you next time. Peace.

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[Adam Thorne]

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