Joe Rogan Experience Review Podcast

Episode: U.S. Navy Lieutenant Kegan Gill Interview | Age of Disclosure Discussion | JRER
Date: December 24, 2025
Host: Adam Thorne (with Brandon)
Guest: Kegan Gill, former F-18 Super Hornet pilot, U.S. Navy

Overview

This episode is a deep-dive analysis and reflection on both the Joe Rogan Experience episode featuring whistleblower pilots (notably Ryan Graves) and the documentary "Age of Disclosure." Special guest and former U.S. Navy Lieutenant Kegan Gill provides first-hand insights into the prevalence of UFO/UAP phenomena during his service, the stigma and secrecy around such incidents, and wider questions around disclosure, technology, and the motivations of governments and the defense industry.

The discussion explores military encounters with unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), the ongoing push for public disclosure spearheaded by former pilots, and speculations about the true origins and intentions behind sightings.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Introducing Kegan Gill and the Context of Disclosure

• [01:33–02:45]
  • Adam introduces Kegan as a guest who can cut through the speculation regarding military encounters with UAPs.
  • Kegan’s background: Served 9 years as a U.S. Navy F-18 Super Hornet pilot in Virginia Beach, coinciding with other pilots who’ve spoken out publicly about UAPs, notably Ryan Graves.
  • Quote: “Now we got three idiots. So that’s awesome.” (Kegan, joking about joining the hosts) – [02:39]
  • Kegan witnessed and helped document firsthand UAP incidents, contributing to broader awareness and disclosure efforts.

2. Direct Military Encounters with UAPs

• [03:15–10:03]
  • Kegan details a 2016 incident involving an anomalous “sphere” interfering with training missions off the coast of Virginia Beach, observed via radar and infrared camera, with its movements defying known physics and aviation limits.
  • Quote: “...this bizarre sphere moving around at airspeeds above 300 knots and what I thought maybe even instantaneously change position...” (Kegan Gill) – [04:55]
  • The military response was extremely secretive; superiors avoided discussing specifics, suggesting compartmentalization and classified access.
  • Kegan’s encounter coincided with other pilots, including Graves, who experienced close calls—e.g., a UAP described as “a cube inside a sphere, about the size of a golf cart.”

3. Stigma, Secrecy, and Risk of Disclosure

• [10:26–15:23]
  • Reporting on UAPs was discouraged due to fears about career security and stigma (“crackpot” associations).
  • Ryan Graves, hailed for his courage, risked his career by going public, while others suffered professional and personal repercussions.
  • Quote: “He knows the American public has a right to know what’s going on, and he’s really pursued that along with Commander Fravor.” (Kegan Gill) – [15:07]

4. Nature and Origin of the Phenomena

• [15:30–19:35]
  • Kegan posits many UAPs are of non-human, extraterrestrial origin; humans have likely recovered, studied, and reverse engineered such technology for decades.
  • Some sightings could feature both alien and human-piloted craft, or remotely operated versions—suggesting a blend of “otherworldly” and defense-industrial origins.
  • Warns of deliberate fear-mongering by defense interests to fuel industry profit and justify further weapons development.
  • Quote: “I don’t think that these beings are here to harm us. I think they’re here to help us... allow us to develop...” – [16:47]

5. UAPs as a National Security Issue

• [18:53–21:16]
  • Acknowledges that adversary nations might possess or develop similar technologies via their own crash recoveries.
  • Emphasizes importance of measured response—sees current narratives as potentially manipulated to feed the war machine.
  • Quote: “Feed the defense industry and just charge this... complex that’s overtaken our country and our world to new levels for its own benefit.” – [21:04]

6. Nuclear Facilities & 'Messages' from UAPs

• [21:16–23:27]
  • UAPs have repeatedly intruded over and shut down nuclear missile sites, interpreted potentially as a non-hostile warning or demonstration of superior capabilities.
  • Quote: “I think because they haven’t wiped us out and they’re deactivating our nuclear facilities, that’s a sign that... they’re here to keep us from killing ourselves.” – [22:46]

7. Reflections on the Age of Disclosure Documentary

• [25:30–27:30]
  • Kegan finds the film credible, identifying with the pilots and intelligence officials who came forward despite personal risk.
  • Discusses strategies (media attacks, reputation destruction) used to suppress or discredit whistleblowers.

8. Technological Suppression and Compartmentalization

• [33:23–38:32]
  • Suggests many post-1940s technological advances are derived from recovered UAP tech, drip-fed to industry for profit.
  • The most transformational discoveries (e.g., free energy) are withheld to maintain economic status quo.
  • Quote: “They’re not going to release the energy technology that would completely change the landscape of our gas and oil industry.” – [34:38]

9. The Future of Disclosure and Public Readiness

• [39:34–51:16]
  • Kegan hopes that, in 10 years, increased decentralization of media will help “truth prevail” and usher in a new era of openness and shared technology.
  • Questions of whether humanity is ready: Kegan believes widespread acceptance is likely and that “fear-based” secrecy is losing its grip.
  • Quote: “I think the truth is, why that’s being said, is it’s just another narrative of trying to cover this up for the benefit of those who control the technology for their profits.” – [49:20]
  • Calls for embracing love and openness over fear and secrecy.

10. Comparing Known Military Tech vs. UAP Capabilities

• [51:37–53:48]
  • Kegan describes UAP technologies as not just generations, but leagues ahead: “so many light years ahead” — likening it to ancient warriors facing modern armies.
  • Quote: “...these are craft that are basically altering the space time around them so that they no longer are limited by gravity and frictional forces.” – [52:38]

11. Personal Journey of Belief and Conclusion

• [53:57–56:28]
  • Kegan’s conviction shifted from skepticism to certainty through direct experience and in-depth conversations with other insiders.
  • Ultimately, he finds reassurance and awe in recognizing humanity’s place in a universe full of mysteries and intelligences.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “[On first UAP briefings:] At first I thought they were just messing with me... but then the return email I got from that was, ‘we need to move this conversation over to Sipper, which is the secure Internet.’ And that’s when I realized... this isn’t just a joke.” — Kegan Gill [04:19]

• “...a cube inside of a sphere that appeared to be like this energy field around it, but a solid cube...” — Kegan Gill describing a UAP aka “Golf Cart” [10:12]

• “There is a stigma that exists in the aviation community and military aviation that prevents people from talking about it. Plus, there’s that layer of this potentially being a high level secret program that obviously people can’t talk about.” — Kegan Gill [11:04]

• “I think these beings are here to keep us from blowing each other up and killing each other long enough so that we can grow to become whatever we come in the future.” — Kegan Gill [17:00]

• “It’s so far beyond anything that we have that we’re not even in the same ballpark. Like how do you shoot down something that can alter spacetime around it?” — Kegan Gill [52:50]

Timestamps for Important Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------|---------------| | Guest Introduction & Background | 01:33–02:45 | | Kegan’s UAP Encounters / Military Secrecy | 03:15–10:03 | | The Ryan Graves Story & Stigma | 10:26–15:23 | | Origin of UAPs: Alien vs. Human Tech | 15:30–19:35 | | National Security, Defense Industry | 18:53–21:16 | | UAPs Over Nuclear Installations | 21:16–22:41 | | The Age of Disclosure Documentary | 25:30–27:30 | | Tech Suppression & Compartmentalization | 33:23–34:32 | | Future of Disclosure & Society’s Readiness | 39:34–51:16 | | UAP Tech vs. Modern Military Tech | 51:37–53:48 | | Personal Epiphany & Final Thoughts | 53:57–56:28 |

Tone & Closing Thoughts

Throughout the episode, Adam and Brandon are earnest, inquisitive, and often awe-struck, while Kegan is open, measured, and candid—balancing professional caution with a clear call for transparency and hope.
The conversation closes on the inspirational message that humanity’s future could be transformed by disclosure, as long as fear-based mindsets and profit-driven secrecy give way to truth, collaboration, and curiosity.

Final Recommendation:
The hosts unanimously praise "Age of Disclosure" as a game-changer in the genre and celebrate Kegan’s courage and insights—ending with a 10/10 for the documentary and hope for more conversations like this.
Adam: “If you guys have not seen the Age of Disclosure documentary, you’ve got to watch it... 10 out of 10 for me.” [55:39]

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