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Terry Bradshaw
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Joe Rogan
Pull up onto the microphone, Mr. Bradshaw.
Terry Bradshaw
They're catching rainbow trout.
Joe Rogan
Oh yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Killed him. I've been up this our fourth year.
Joe Rogan
You fly fish?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. But you're not fly fishing. You come back in July for fly fishing. This is fly fishing. But you've got a fly bobber. It's a fly. Then you got that tiny, tiny bug. I mean you can't even see it. And that's what you catch them all.
Joe Rogan
So you fly. You're using a fly rod, but you have a bobber and a little tiny.
Terry Bradshaw
The bobber. The bobber is a. Basically a big moth or something. Okay. Holds it up.
Joe Rogan
Right, Right.
Terry Bradshaw
Bobber cork.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah. So it's just a different kind of
Terry Bradshaw
fly fishing what you're doing, because you're not. You're in a boat, you know fast that water's moving, right. And you just go down through there and they move it to the jets and jetties and stuff.
Joe Rogan
And so you find like the pools where they're waiting.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. You go and you just find it goes boom. Yeah. Oh, brown trout. Yeah. It was good time. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Trout fishing is very fun.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, it is.
Joe Rogan
Fly fishing is a completely different thing. It's very. It's very skillful.
Terry Bradshaw
I like fly fishing too. We did that last year in July and didn't have near the didn't. I mean, we didn't catch hardly anything. Be honest with you.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
I mean maybe five or six a day.
Joe Rogan
That's a lot for fly fishing.
Terry Bradshaw
We caught almost 110 hours.
Joe Rogan
Really?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
A hundred trout. That's crazy. Don't say where you were. People are all going to swarm that place.
Terry Bradshaw
I didn't bring my phone. I'd show you pictures, but yeah, it was. It was crazy.
Joe Rogan
Wow.
Terry Bradshaw
I tell you something funny. I carry. I carry.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, we're filming.
Terry Bradshaw
I forget who we were. I carry a big baby Jesus with me. Let me tell you what happened.
Joe Rogan
You carry a baby Jesus. Baby Jesus, like from the manger?
Terry Bradshaw
Yes, Jesus. Right, Jesus. We call it baby Jesus. Okay, okay.
Joe Rogan
Oh, so it is just grown up Jesus has a beard and everything.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, exactly. Okay, so we're not catching anything. So I reach in my pocket, I don't know why, looking for my. I don't know what I was doing. And I had this baby Jesus. I said, oh, my son in law is in the back. I said, I got baby Jesus with me. And I set him on the on the igloo, on the box facing me. You ready, Joe? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6 Giant rainbow in a row. So my son in law is in the back and he's going, turn Baby Jesus towards me. I turned around, I took baby Jesus toward him. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. I went, now this, we caught 12, 12 rainbow. Anywhere from 15 to 20 inches. That's cool. Yeah, that's big.
Joe Rogan
That's a good rainbow.
Terry Bradshaw
So that, so the, so the, the, the guide, I mean, he's. He got a little tripped out. He. He said, he said, hey, man. Hey, you kind of, you're kind of messing with me here. That's kind of, that's kind of got. Got me a little screwed up. I started laughing. I said, man, you get the power of Jesus in here. So we kept it all day. Before I left, I gave it to him. So he said, I'm gonna use this every day. So that's. It was kind of fun.
Joe Rogan
I don't think that's something you should use every day. I think that that should be like for special trips. You don't want to ask Jesus every day to help you catch fish.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't go fishing every day, but yeah, you're right.
Joe Rogan
You know what I'm saying?
Terry Bradshaw
I didn't, I didn't need. I wouldn't normally need help, but trout fishing, I need help. I'm bass fishing. And yeah, I'm pretty good on my own, but if things get desperate, I'm not. I mean, I don't want to push it. You know what I'm saying? I want to push it. Oh, by the way, Jeff died to me. Say hello.
Joe Rogan
Oh, you know Jeff?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I did two years of better late than never with him.
Joe Rogan
Oh, I love Jeff. He's a good dude. Solid dude. Man's man. What. What's with all the whiskey? Did you bring that? Yeah, I was wondering.
Terry Bradshaw
You don't drink.
Joe Rogan
I'll drink. Yeah, I quit and then I came back. Yeah, I quit for eight months. Not. Not really. Like, I didn't have a problem. I just health reasons. I decided it wasn't a good thing for you.
Terry Bradshaw
Smart. I.
Joe Rogan
You have your own Terry Bradshaw whiskey?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. We've had it now.
Joe Rogan
Come on, son, we gotta have a glass of that.
Terry Bradshaw
Seven years.
Joe Rogan
Do you drink?
Terry Bradshaw
Yes.
Joe Rogan
Selling whiskey. Better.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I drink this.
Joe Rogan
Let's have a.
Terry Bradshaw
This is our 12 year that just won all the golden awards and spirits and.
Joe Rogan
Oh, nice.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, won all of them.
Joe Rogan
So. Age 12 years.
Terry Bradshaw
12 years. 13.
Joe Rogan
Now, I was talking with Buffalo Trace about that. And they're like.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, yeah, that's what you drink. Once you drink this, you'll stop drinking that. Unless. Unless they're a sponsor.
Joe Rogan
They're our sponsor.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay, there you go.
Joe Rogan
And they're nice guys.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay.
Joe Rogan
And I respect them. I mean that country, that company's been around longer than the country long. Longer than America long time. They started in 1773.
Terry Bradshaw
I mean when you go back said to whiskey.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, they. They claim that Elijah Craig was the father of bourbon whiskey. And it's. They do research and then they don't have it back that far where they can. I can actually say because Elijah Craig was a preacher.
Joe Rogan
Oh, really? Yeah. So that frees preacher who made whiskey.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Wow.
Terry Bradshaw
So anyway, that's. That's award winning. 12.
Joe Rogan
Get some ice and glasses.
Terry Bradshaw
This is. This is our original. This is our two year. This is the original brand right there. We still have that.
Joe Rogan
What is the original? It's two year aged two two.
Terry Bradshaw
Then with our. With our yeast, we were able to make it taste like four to six. Okay. And so now. And then we don't do that anymore. And then this is the. This is. This is the good stuff right here.
Joe Rogan
What's that?
Terry Bradshaw
Six year.
Joe Rogan
Six year.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, yes.
Joe Rogan
So you got 12, two and six?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, actually 12. Four.
Joe Rogan
Can you really tell the difference?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I'm gonna tell you right now. This is 145 proof.
Joe Rogan
Whoa.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay.
Joe Rogan
That's a lot.
Terry Bradshaw
This. This is 108. 103.8. This is amazing. This is. This, this is a.
Joe Rogan
Why does the older stuff have more alcohol? Is it because of the process of aging?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, because it's also. This is a bourbon that. It's a single barrel bourbon. And when we brought it out, you leave it in there and this is what it turned out to. Now we could dilute it by simply putting water in it and dilute it down to this is 103.8. Then it's 51.9 proof or proof alcohol. This. This 149.
Joe Rogan
Bust it out, Terry. Let's go.
Terry Bradshaw
If we bust it, how long we plan on talk today?
Joe Rogan
Talk for a couple hours.
Terry Bradshaw
We may not be able to make a couple hours.
Joe Rogan
We'll give it our best shot.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay. We're doing our best. You got. Who can open this?
Joe Rogan
I don't have a knife here. Jamie got a knife.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, yeah. So we started this.
Joe Rogan
Good man.
Terry Bradshaw
You know what I noticed coming over here today? A lot of tattoos in here.
Joe Rogan
Yes.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Lot of tattoos.
Joe Rogan
You mean the building? Jamie's tattoo free.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, a lot of tattoos.
Joe Rogan
He's been thinking about getting my face tattooed on his back. You still doing that too?
Terry Bradshaw
Is that like a bullseye? Stand up. I waited for a good drawing.
Joe Rogan
We made a deal. I'll do his face, he'll do mine.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, my go anyway.
Joe Rogan
And I'll have like, young Jamie Gothic stuff on my back.
Terry Bradshaw
The thing about. The thing about bourbon, I don't know how to explain it. I don't know why I fell in love with bourbon. I find it to be. First of all, it's the only thing that's. It's only in America. Bourbon is only bourbon if it's in America.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
And I think it's only bourbon if it's. If it's made in Kentucky.
Joe Rogan
A lot of Kentucky people feel the exact same way.
Terry Bradshaw
I mean. You ready?
Joe Rogan
Yes, sir. Okay, let's go. Time to party.
Terry Bradshaw
I'm just going. This might. This might be the best show you ever have.
Joe Rogan
All right. I'm excited.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, you will be after you drink that.
Joe Rogan
Let it sounds good.
Terry Bradshaw
Let it sit.
Joe Rogan
It smells good.
Terry Bradshaw
Let it sit.
Joe Rogan
This is the 12 year old stuff. And what is it called?
Terry Bradshaw
Rachel Bergman. That's the name.
Joe Rogan
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Terry Bradshaw
Can I say, here's the thing about the 12 year old, we only have Bradshaw Bourbon.
Joe Rogan
Look at that.
Terry Bradshaw
We only have 15 cases left. 15 cases. I think they told me. So this is a limited edition, and then we have to come out with some new stuff. But this is actually 13 years old
Joe Rogan
now, so you obviously started this project a long time ago, right? If you've been aging it for 12 years.
Terry Bradshaw
What I did.
Joe Rogan
Cheers, sir.
Terry Bradshaw
Thank you for being here, Joe. Thanks for having me.
Joe Rogan
My pleasure.
Terry Bradshaw
Thank you. What happened? I don't know why I went to my. Hey, wow. You gotta let it sit.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that's got a kick.
Terry Bradshaw
We're gonna try this and then we'll try this.
Joe Rogan
Okay.
Terry Bradshaw
And you'll definitely see the difference. But I was going to my. I went to my dad, who.
Joe Rogan
Someone's driving me home today.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. My father's father was an alcoholic. And I went to my dad prior to him passing. And I said, hey, dad, what would you think if I got into the spirits business? And he says, you know what I think? And I went, well, I'm just asking you. And he says, absolutely not. And I said, okay. So I shut her down. My dad died. Wow. It's 12 years ago. He died. My mother died two years ago. So, anyway, so after his passing, two or three years, four years of sitting. And I was sitting around, I was trying to. I remember William Cohen, Secretary of State William Cohen. He says, what do you do to make a living? I said, well, I work on Fox. I'm a broadcaster. And he says, is that it? I said, well, I'm a horse and cattle breeder. I raise registered cattle. And I've been in the breeding business, training business, quarter horses. He said, oh, okay. He says, is there anything else? I said, well, I get public. I speak for corporations. So he was trying to find Out. And he took a liking to him. And he says, basically what he was telling me, should brand yourself and not have to travel so much, you know? Cause I traveled 250 days last year. We traveled.
Joe Rogan
That's a lot.
Terry Bradshaw
That's a lot. But my wife travels with me, so that's good.
Joe Rogan
That helps.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. What do you want to do with baby Jesus? Let's sit him right.
Joe Rogan
Sit him right there. See if any fish flop out of the sky.
Terry Bradshaw
I got him facing you. We'll see what happens. And anyway, so he said, basically, you ought to brand yourself, get into something that you can. And I said, well, I don't really know anything. I know football. I can talk football. I know how to make people laugh. I know how to give speeches to major corporations and build a program in the speeches. I know quarter horses. I know how to select horses, show horses. I know how to train them. I don't do that, but I have a trainer for all that now, and I have people for the breeding part of it. And I said, in cattle, I know the bloodlines and things of that nature, but I got people doing that. So I just got this. I never forgot that. You know, that's William Cole. He's a pretty smart dude. And so we're. I'm home. Think it was kind of a rainy day. And I'm sitting there, my little brain's going, I'm going, you know, what would you want to do? What do you. For some reason, I was going, what do you want to do? Because I remember one time. I remember one time, I got real uncomfortable because I didn't have a normal job. So I ran into this guy that owned this cosmetic company, and I said, do you have a job? Could you hire me to teach me the cosmetic industry? And he said, yeah, yeah. He gave me $5,000 a month. So I had to go to work and put a tie on and a coat because I wanted to be like, everybody. Everybody goes to work but me. I'm playing golf in between speeches, which may be week, two weeks apart. So I got two weeks of golf, and I got. You know, and I just got.
Joe Rogan
When was this that you started?
Terry Bradshaw
This is 30 years ago.
Joe Rogan
So 30 years ago, you decided to get into the cosmetics business?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, Just for.
Joe Rogan
Just to do something.
Terry Bradshaw
I wanted to be. I wanted to have a job. Really. I know. Wow. I wanted to have a job. I wanted to be like. I wanted. I think I wanted to see. I wanted to see how America works. People get up and kiss their kids goodbye and their wives or husbands and they go off to work and I, for some reason I felt guilty I didn't have a job. I know it's stupid.
Joe Rogan
I know it's interesting.
Terry Bradshaw
So I got a job. Now here's the thing, Joe. My office was right on the road across the street from the golf course I was a member of. And I was watching my buddies come up the fairway and I'd stand at the window and I'd look at him and I'd go, that I should be playing golf with those guys right now.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
So how long did you last? Two months. I couldn't stand it. Hey, I'll tell you, man, I couldn't stand it. Most people can't, but I can't explain it other than I just felt guilty that, you know, people say, well, athletes, they got, you know, it's true. They got all this money and they got this and they got that and.
Joe Rogan
You smoke cigars, Terry?
Terry Bradshaw
I do.
Joe Rogan
You want one?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I do. I want a really good one. You got them? Oh, yeah. Hey, I love. Hey, that's my wife. I've got the only. I'm probably married to the only wife who lets me smoke in the house.
Joe Rogan
Really?
Terry Bradshaw
You married?
Joe Rogan
Yes. I can't smoke in the house.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, See there?
Joe Rogan
Everything you see in this place is because I can't do anything at home. All the elk heads and all the crazy artwork and Jimi Hendrix and all that jazz. Yeah. It's like I let her decorate the house.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
You know what I mean? It's beautiful. It's very exciting. My house would look like a 16 year old boy won the lottery.
Terry Bradshaw
I can understand that. I don't know why, honestly.
Joe Rogan
Simulators and I don't know why my.
Terry Bradshaw
Why my wife lets me smoke. But if she said yeah. Oh, you're saying yours don't.
Joe Rogan
Doesn't know too. But we make concessions.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay.
Joe Rogan
You know what I mean?
Terry Bradshaw
All right, so anyway.
Joe Rogan
But I have a pool room. Like where I play pool.
Terry Bradshaw
In the house?
Joe Rogan
No, it's out.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, outside, out in the barn.
Joe Rogan
And I go out there and I smoke. I have a cigar.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
This one, sir.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, bless you. Yeah, this is good. You smoke Cuban cigars?
Joe Rogan
I do when I can get them. But you know what I mean, there's a lot of them that aren't even really Cuban. They're lying to you. There you go, sir. I think out of all the counterfeit
Terry Bradshaw
stuff, be the greatest interview I've ever been a part of.
Joe Rogan
A good time.
Terry Bradshaw
Not only are we going to drink award winning bourbon, Rachel, bourbon by the Way. And we're smoking. This is amazing cigar.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Shout out to Foundation Cigars.
Terry Bradshaw
Wow. What is this?
Joe Rogan
Dominican, I believe? No, Nicaraguan.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Is it our fathers or to our fathers?
Joe Rogan
The name of the company.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
No, it's Foundation. Foundation Cigars.
Terry Bradshaw
I gotta get the name.
Joe Rogan
This is called the Tabernacle.
Terry Bradshaw
This is his foundation cigars. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Good, right? Oh, legit, right? Yeah, yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
If I had your kind of money, I could afford afforded these, you know,
Joe Rogan
foundation also have him send you a box. He give them to me for free.
Terry Bradshaw
Siri.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, he's a friend of the show.
Terry Bradshaw
Can I get like a monthly Delicious.
Joe Rogan
Betty Will. I bet he will just make a little Instagram post or something. Anyway, be happy to hook you up.
Terry Bradshaw
I got this friend, he built our house. Huge elk hunter, which I know you are. And so he goes out and he shoots this massive elk. I mean, this monster. His. The bottom of his horn was like this big around, just massive. Seven by seven In Idaho, New Mexico.
Joe Rogan
New Mexico. Big Joe. Extraordinary big elk in New Mexico.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Shot him with a bow. He's a bow hunter like you. And so he brings it home. Now he's got his fireplace, all right. He's got two over here, two over here. Well, you got to balance it up.
Joe Rogan
Right, Right.
Terry Bradshaw
One right in the middle. So he gets his horn. You got the European mount?
Joe Rogan
Yes.
Terry Bradshaw
That's what he does. So he gets his step ladder. He got his horn. He's got the screw in the wall or whatever you do to hold it, and he's putting it up and he's looking at it, and he's like, oh, this is good. This is good. He takes a ladder and he moves out. He goes, gets. Gets in his chair and he's admiring his trophy.
Joe Rogan
And it falls down.
Terry Bradshaw
No, no, no, no, no. The wife walked in.
Joe Rogan
Oh, no.
Terry Bradshaw
And she says, what are you doing? He goes, look, babe, seven by seven. Look. Two, two, one in the middle. Perfectly balanced wall. I want that out of here. What? I want that out of here. Get that out of here. That's not going up there. Baba. Get it out of here. He had to take it down. You know where it is now?
Joe Rogan
Where is it now?
Terry Bradshaw
Garage. I know I killed him. I said. I said give it to me. I'll hang room. My wife doesn't care.
Joe Rogan
That's not good.
Terry Bradshaw
Massive. Yeah. Get it out of here. That's. That's not what you want to hear.
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Terry Bradshaw
That's pretty impressive. You shoot an elk or anything, but with a bow and arrow, you're close.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. It's a lot of work.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. It's not easy.
Joe Rogan
It's not easy, but I. I look forward to it every year like nothing else.
Terry Bradshaw
Do you go out for two weeks? A week? A week?
Joe Rogan
Usually a week. Week at a time. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
You go to Mexico or.
Joe Rogan
I haven't been in New Mexico, but I, I want to. New Mexico is like the Gila Mountains out there. That's supposed to be like one of the best elk that Arizona spots of Utah just for volume spots of California.
Terry Bradshaw
Montana's got big out.
Joe Rogan
Montana's huge.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't know about Wyoming, Idaho. Utah has huge elk. I'm not an elk hunter, but I know all this because for the one time I went elk hunting, I gave my trainer, my horse trainer my tag.
Joe Rogan
Oh, really?
Terry Bradshaw
I just followed him. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was cool. And he shot this huge 6x6.
Joe Rogan
Oh, that's cool. So you gave him the tag? Just went along with him.
Terry Bradshaw
I just went along, stayed behind when he, when they had. We got down, you know, crawling around. It was. Hey, it's. It's impressive animal.
Joe Rogan
You've never done it?
Terry Bradshaw
I don't hunt.
Joe Rogan
You don't hunt at all? Just fish.
Terry Bradshaw
I can't hunt. I don't like to shoot stuff.
Joe Rogan
I get it. Yeah, I get it.
Terry Bradshaw
I'll kill a snake in a heartbeat. Or I even have a hard time killing a mouse. Really? Yeah. I don't know what it is. Snake. Snakes scare me. Centipede. I'll crush a centipede for all he's worth, then put him in a grinder in the kitchen. Grind that sucker up. He might still be alive. You ever been to Hawaii and got a hold of some centipedes? Joe, Joe, Joe. Hear me loud and clear. They're dangerous.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, some of them are. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, they're gross.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yes. So no, I'm not hunter. My brother's a hunter. My dad was a hunter. All my uncles are hunters. I don't know why. I. I never did.
Joe Rogan
Hey, nothing wrong with that. You don't have to do it. It's not necessary. You could always go to the grocery store.
Terry Bradshaw
I do that.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but if you wanted to get it yourself, it's.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I don't. I enjoy. It's like fishing. I'll go fishing with you. I don't have to fish and I love to fish. I don't have to fish. As long as you're catching fish and having a good time, that's as much fun for me is any. Oh, mercy.
Joe Rogan
A big island man caught a foot long centipede. That dude caught that on the big island of Hawaii.
Terry Bradshaw
Hey, check that out. Hey, but looky here. Right here.
Joe Rogan
That's crazy.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
I didn't know they got that big. Is that an invasive one or is that. That can't be. Native to Hawaii. Is it Hawaiian giant centipedes.
Terry Bradshaw
Whoa. Is there a secret to this? No.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, you flip the top the other way. There you go. That's it. Now pull that button down.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, this?
Joe Rogan
Yep. There you go.
Terry Bradshaw
Sorry about that.
Joe Rogan
No worries. That one. For some reason, that lighter confuses the out of people.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, it's pretty good lighter too.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. That was gross, huh?
Joe Rogan
Yeah. So you have no problem killing centipedes? Just don't want to kill an animal. I get it. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. I don't.
Joe Rogan
But the thing is, if you don't kill them, they get killed by something. It's usually either winter or mountain lions.
Terry Bradshaw
We raised 27 mallard ducks, my wife and I.
Joe Rogan
You raise them?
Terry Bradshaw
Raise them? Raised. Raised them. And so I told her this morning, flying down here to Austin. So I told her, I said, we got five ducks left. What happened to them stupid ducks? Now we live way out in the country. What they're doing is coming out of the lake, walking through the field, crossing over the road.
Joe Rogan
Oh, they get crushed.
Terry Bradshaw
And they're getting hit on the road. Why? Why? I had no idea. But we have five left. Out of 27.
Joe Rogan
Are you raising them for eggs or you just.
Terry Bradshaw
No, we just raise them for fun.
Joe Rogan
For fun? Just to have ducks hanging around?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. With ducks. We had ducks, chickens, guineas.
Joe Rogan
Duck eggs are interesting. You ever have them?
Terry Bradshaw
I'm not eating a duck egg.
Joe Rogan
I don't know why.
Terry Bradshaw
They're darker. Yolk. I know that. You ever had a guinea egg?
Joe Rogan
Guinea. What is it like?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
No, I don't think so.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, yeah, it's. It's. It's good for you. But I.
Joe Rogan
The duck eggs are weird. They, like, coat your mouth. You know what I mean? Like, when you eat them, it just tastes different. But apparently it's massively high in protein.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. We were talking about eating buffalo and elk, you know, coming in today, and I said, well, I've had buffalo and. And that elk that my trainer killed. I could have all of it I want. And I got one little steak. My wife won't let me cook it, so.
Joe Rogan
Won't let you cook it?
Terry Bradshaw
So I have it, so it's still sitting. Just. No. No wild game in the house, see?
Joe Rogan
I know, but it's just meat.
Terry Bradshaw
You met her earlier.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. She seems like a lovely lady. I don't understand why she has a problem with wild.
Terry Bradshaw
When we leave here today, go and say, hey, Tammy, how about. How about we go over to the house and have a nice little little elk steak? And, you know, hey, that ain't gonna happen.
Joe Rogan
Some people have a. A bad misconception about wild game. You know, they think that it smells bad or tastes bad.
Terry Bradshaw
I think it's taste. I don't like deer.
Joe Rogan
Really?
Terry Bradshaw
I don't like deer. I like buffalo.
Joe Rogan
I think it's how it's prepared. I guarantee you, if you had deer from someone who prepares it well.
Terry Bradshaw
Do you eat duck? Yes. You eat duck?
Joe Rogan
Yes, I do.
Terry Bradshaw
We try to eat. We tried to cook some duck. Yeah, it was horrible.
Joe Rogan
See, this is what we're talking about. No, I think it's just how you're preparing it.
Terry Bradshaw
Really? I don't know. I do know this Mr. Child's got some of the best duck I've ever had.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
Mr. Child's in Los Angeles. Beverly Hills.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
That's where I eat duck.
Joe Rogan
Fantastic duck.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now that's good.
Joe Rogan
I think they probably do a better job of preparing it, that's all. It is.
Terry Bradshaw
We tried to do the roux. The roux that you cooked duck in.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
It ended up looking like tar.
Joe Rogan
Right. Do you guys. But do you know how to cook?
Terry Bradshaw
Well, we thought we did. We found that. Anthony, is your wife a good cook? Is your wife?
Joe Rogan
Yes, she is.
Terry Bradshaw
She is.
Joe Rogan
Anthony Bourdain went on this duck hunt with these guys and cooked the duck for them because they were complaining that duck doesn't taste good. And he got ma at them. He's like, listen, listen, listen. Don't say that. It's not the duck doesn't taste good. It's just you don't know what you're doing. And on the show, he prepares it for them and they're like, this is fantastic. Like, yeah, that's how you're supposed to prepare duck. It tastes really good if you do a good job.
Terry Bradshaw
Mr. Charles got it down.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they do. They're chefs, professionals.
Terry Bradshaw
But my wife and I, we got it out of. Out of the computer.
Joe Rogan
Oh, okay. Got a recipe?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, yeah. So we got. A friend of mine sent us five mallards.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
I think we got two of them out. We didn't know what we were doing. Do they cook down and you don't have a half a bird or what? I don't know. So we got. So you got to make a roux, right? You know the sauce.
Joe Rogan
Right, the sauce.
Terry Bradshaw
So we got the big pot out and we're putting this in that in this in that, in right now you heat it, get it this and that, then you stir. Add this and that, and we stir. And we stir. And the more we stir, I end up looking like a rubber tire. It was horrible. It was. Seriously.
Joe Rogan
But Terry, I want you to think about it this way. Imagine if someone learned how to play football from YouTube. Never played football before. Oh, let's figure out how to play football. We're gonna watch a YouTube video on how to play football. Apple. And then they went out there and had a fucking terrible game. They looked like shit. Right, right. That's the same thing as, like, you learn how to cook for a recipe if you don't know how to cook.
Terry Bradshaw
I've got a book out called the Bradshaw Family Cookbook.
Joe Rogan
And so you can cook?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I don't cook stuff like that. I make a root. Now, my son in law. You met Noah?
Joe Rogan
Yes.
Terry Bradshaw
He's a world renowned. Not a world renowned, but he was. He's number one. Voted the number one chef in Dallas. Oh, wow. Yeah, he's from Hawaii.
Joe Rogan
What restaurant does he cook?
Terry Bradshaw
Out of Dallas Hams. He. He. They hire him. Okay, that makes sense.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, sure, sure.
Terry Bradshaw
They hire him. He does these. Goes out and cooks for companies and people. It's amazing. Amazing. Matter of fact, I called him yesterday after church, and I said, I got some. I always mess up pork. Pork chops. I love pork chops, but I screw them up. And he said, what you got? Temperature at 30. I said, 350. He said, 20 minutes. Take them off. That's all I needed to know. Perfect. It's beautiful.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah. You just got to learn how to do it. But it's not that the duck tastes bad.
Terry Bradshaw
Here's the bad thing about it. I know my. I know my banker who's the one I got the ducks from. His name is Drake Mills.
Joe Rogan
His name is Drake. He has Drake ducks, and he has ducks.
Terry Bradshaw
Ducks. He's a duck hunter, but his name is Drake. Drake. Yeah. I call him crazy. I know, but he's.
Joe Rogan
How ironic.
Terry Bradshaw
Serious duck hunter. Serious plants 500 acres of rice.
Joe Rogan
Oh, serious. Okay.
Terry Bradshaw
Then he's on the phone with me bitching it's 80 degrees. Ducks don't. I mean, they aren't coming in at 80 degrees. His rice. And he's got water issues.
Joe Rogan
Does he know how to cook duck?
Terry Bradshaw
I guess I never. He's never asked me what I want to eat any duck, but I asked for some duck. He told me one day he had plenty of duck, and I said, well, Tammy, we don't shoot stuff, but I like duck. I. So he sent us five duck ducks, you know, and that's so.
Joe Rogan
So that's what you cook.
Terry Bradshaw
That's what.
Joe Rogan
I cooked his ducks. Did you ask him how he cooks it?
Terry Bradshaw
No, I don't think so. No. Probably should have. No.
Joe Rogan
Probably a good idea.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, I mean, the book, right? The book. Come on, Joe. Yeah. The book says a quarter.
Joe Rogan
Really? The right way to do it is to learn from someone who is a really good chef.
Terry Bradshaw
I got to take a break here. This is pretty dang good. Have you had any more?
Joe Rogan
I have.
Terry Bradshaw
Cheers. We need to bump again.
Joe Rogan
Let's go.
Terry Bradshaw
I'm telling you, when this is over with, let's go. You'll be sitting over there, and I'll be sitting over there.
Joe Rogan
Let's try it. It's got quite a kick, I'll tell you that. There's a lot in there. You can tell it's 135 proof.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, it's good.
Joe Rogan
But, yeah, I think duck cooking, like I've heard people say that wild game tastes bad. It's it's the best tasty meat in the world. It's just. How do you cook it?
Terry Bradshaw
You eat turkey.
Joe Rogan
Wild Turkey. I've had wild Turkey.
Terry Bradshaw
Dang.
Joe Rogan
Oh, but you're crazy. It was delicious.
Terry Bradshaw
I mean, only way wild turkey you eat squirrel.
Joe Rogan
I've had squirrel. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Now, see, I grew up on squirrel. Now, you tell my wife that or you tell any of my kids that. Oh, God that.
Joe Rogan
This is a lot like chicken, right? It's a lot like chicken.
Terry Bradshaw
Is that true?
Joe Rogan
Would you agree?
Terry Bradshaw
You're a stand up comedian. So is that a funny.
Joe Rogan
No, it's kind of chicken like. It's almost like squirrels taste like chicken. Well, it's not like a red meat.
Terry Bradshaw
You eat the brain.
Joe Rogan
I have not eaten squirrel brain.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, then the brain.
Joe Rogan
I've had lamb's brain before. Yeah, my uncle Vinnie used to cook it. He used to slice up. They used to sell it in the grocery store in New Jersey. They'd slice up a lamb's skull with the brain inside, like sliced in half, and they put two halves on the grill and they would cook lamb's brains on the grill. Hey, I was like 10. I don't know.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, my brother and I used to fight over the squirrel head and I don't want to.
Joe Rogan
The squirrel head used to fight over.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't want to gross out our viewers out there.
Joe Rogan
Too late.
Terry Bradshaw
But we. You take them and you take them and you hit them with a spoon and rip the. Crack it open. Delicious. I mean, now would I eat one today? No.
Joe Rogan
How old were you when you were doing this?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I was. I know. At least 15. Up to 15. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
I didn't think anything of it.
Joe Rogan
Brains are sketchy. Like eating brains can get you in trouble. Like, that's.
Terry Bradshaw
Can I honestly say this. Is this the first interview you ever done with brains? Eating brains has been brought up.
Joe Rogan
Probably not.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, not.
Joe Rogan
Have we talked about eating brains before?
Terry Bradshaw
For sure we have.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, definitely.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Well, I'm not.
Joe Rogan
Because of prion.
Terry Bradshaw
I thought I'd be special today, but evidently not.
Joe Rogan
I think we talked about it in terms of what mad cow disease is. Mad cow disease comes from them feeding cows cows. It's basically the same disease that cannibals get.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I'm not familiar with that. Yeah, I know about mad cow disease. They got another one going on right now in South Texas. Some kind of disease.
Joe Rogan
Oh, the screw worm. Screw worm, yeah. Yeah, told me about that.
Terry Bradshaw
Can bother New world, you, horses, dogs, pretty much everything.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, it's a bad. It's apparently A huge problem. Yeah, they had it in America, I think in the 80s, and they pushed it back, they got rid of it. So hopefully they can get rid of it again. But it's apparently a really dangerous parasite.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, it's a parasite. So I mean, I got in trouble one time for seeing people were having. During the COVID thing, they were taking ivermectin. You may have taken ivermectin. And I gave. I didn't know any better. I thought I knew, but I didn't know. But ivermectin, I used to give it to the cattle. Right, that's what.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
And I had a. Not speaking of brains, this is true. We were in Hawaii. I run into a brain surgeon and he says, are you okay with the COVID thing? And I said I had it, got over it, you know, I'm all right now. And he says, well, he says, boy. He said, I take ivermectin, man. That's been. I said, brain surgeon. And I said to him, obviously I said, really? You. It's a cattle dewormer. Ivermectin kills parasites. So I just left it at that. And I walked in and going, brain surge, didn't he. I never could rationalize that kind of thinking.
Joe Rogan
But yeah, well, you know, ivermectin won the Nobel Prize for human beings, for use in human beings.
Terry Bradshaw
No, I didn't know.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, it's good for yellow fever, dengue fever. It's an anti parasitic that also has antiviral properties.
Terry Bradshaw
So I didn't know that. Obviously I wasn't as well informed as you are.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, well, I got in trouble for it.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, so did I. I got in
Joe Rogan
trouble like publicly, like on cnn. The. The White House talked about it during. I got over. You don't know the story, so. And for the people that know the story, I'm sorry I have to repeat it, but during the pandemic, I got coveted and we had a. Me and Dave Chappelle were doing a show in Nashville and I had to cancel it because I had covet. And so I made a video saying that I feel better, but we have to cancel the shows. I had Covid. I was sick for a couple days, but now I'm fine. And I explained all the stuff that I took. I took a bunch of stuff, monoclonal antibodies. And one of the things that I took was ivermectin. So it became this huge thing on CNN because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. So they had all these different people saying that I was Taking horse dewormer. Well, human medication prescribed to me by my doctor, who also took ivermectin, also got Covid. Also got better. And he didn't take all the stuff that I took. Yeah, I took a bunch of stuff, but they changed the color of my skin. They made my skin look green on cnn. Like, no bullshit. Oh, no bullshit.
Terry Bradshaw
The AI do.
Joe Rogan
They literally put a filter on my face to make me look green.
Terry Bradshaw
They would put a cow's head over me. I honestly did not know that you. That a human takes ivermectin, but I
Joe Rogan
will say that it's actually invented for humans.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I actually didn't know that, and I'm thankful that I didn't argue with anybody. And he wasn't the only one that told me that.
Joe Rogan
Well, the problem was, it was. That was a narrative that was all over the news, is that it was horse dewormer. And if you're a person who works with animals, with horses, I only knew it's cattle. It's a. It is a dewormer. But that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medicine. No. Well, they use penicillin on. On animals. They also use penicillin on humans. It's like. It's medicine. We're mammals. We have similar medicines. That's what ivermectin is. It's. It stops viral replication. And that's the benefit a lot of
Terry Bradshaw
people proven to stop was it.
Joe Rogan
There's a ton of studies. There's a lot of people that have written books. I'm not the guy to talk about it, but there's a lot of evidence that the reason why they were not telling people to take ivermectin is because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. I got one over here. Thank you. But the reason why they wanted to get everyone to get vaccinated is not because it was effective. It's because they wanted to make a lot of money, and that's what they did.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, when you're talking about drugs, you're talking about a lot of money.
Joe Rogan
A lot of money.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, a lot of money.
Joe Rogan
So that's why it's ironic that you brought that up, because I got caught in the crossfires of the ivermectin bullshit.
Terry Bradshaw
And see, I. But I. You knew more about it than I did because.
Joe Rogan
Well, I had a farmer.
Terry Bradshaw
Being a farmer. That's all I'd used it for. Yeah, all I used it for.
Joe Rogan
Very effective. As a dewormer.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
But it also stops viral replication. And.
Terry Bradshaw
But I wasn't gonna take it. I don't care if they just said, this is. I wasn't gonna take that.
Joe Rogan
You wouldn't take it even if it was prescribed to you by your doctor?
Terry Bradshaw
Well, it'd be a different story, right? Well, my doctor said to me, I'm married to a doctor. And my doctor said, we're not taking him in.
Joe Rogan
Really.
Terry Bradshaw
But I took. I'm one of those guys that if they say. I mean, when I got Covid, I was sitting in my dressing room at Fox. Felt fine. Felt fine. We got tested. Every Sunday morning, we got tested. They came in and said, you got to go. You got to leave. What happened? Oh, you've. You got. You got Covid. I'm like, did you get sick? No. Oh. Now, here's the thing.
Joe Rogan
Okay?
Terry Bradshaw
Here's the thing. The question that came to mind later was, okay, the guy that drove me over here, the guy that's going to take me to the airport, how am I getting home?
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
Do I stay here in the hotel for 10, 12 days? That was my dilemma. What do I do? But I did get sick.
Joe Rogan
You did? Eventually.
Terry Bradshaw
I did? Yeah. It took me about four days and I got real sick.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Did you do anything during those four days? Were you taking vitamins? Nothing.
Terry Bradshaw
No.
Joe Rogan
Why not?
Terry Bradshaw
I don't take vitamins. What? I don't really know.
Joe Rogan
How come you're married to a doctor.
Terry Bradshaw
I never. I never have taken vitamins. I don't know why. Really? No.
Joe Rogan
Even when you're playing?
Terry Bradshaw
No, not take B12 shot.
Joe Rogan
Okay.
Terry Bradshaw
But I give it to myself.
Joe Rogan
You give it to yourself?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Intramuscular?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Okay.
Terry Bradshaw
Little tube. We take it after.
Joe Rogan
Bam.
Terry Bradshaw
Send them in a big bag.
Joe Rogan
Okay. That's good for energy.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, but there's hot, tired, but. Yeah, sure.
Joe Rogan
Vitamins, too, though.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't have a problem with MRI machines, PET scans, surgery. No, no. I got a bad hip right now. I mean, I'm telling you, Joe, it's killing me.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
And I got it injected.
Joe Rogan
Stem cells. With the injection?
Terry Bradshaw
No, no, I don't do stem cells.
Joe Rogan
Why not?
Terry Bradshaw
I don't believe in stem cells.
Joe Rogan
You don't believe in them? No. But you believe in that little baby Jesus?
Terry Bradshaw
Absolutely.
Joe Rogan
Catches fish for you.
Terry Bradshaw
No, this. This I do believe in. Go ahead and laugh. That, Joe. You don't want to laugh when I got baby Jesus. Point at. You better cut that, bro. You better shut that down.
Joe Rogan
I go fishing. I'm gonna beg you to point that baby.
Terry Bradshaw
No, no, no. I'm gonna give you one. I got hundreds of these if we
Joe Rogan
go fishing, I really want to point my way. I believe.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
I believe that little baby Jesus works.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh.
Joe Rogan
My question is, how come you don't believe in stem cells?
Terry Bradshaw
I had too many people based just on people that went and did stem cells.
Joe Rogan
Uh huh.
Terry Bradshaw
And what happened? They went back and did it again. Okay, did it again.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
Then what happened?
Joe Rogan
What happened?
Terry Bradshaw
They went back and did it again.
Joe Rogan
Okay.
Terry Bradshaw
Then what happened?
Joe Rogan
What happened?
Terry Bradshaw
They went back and did it again.
Joe Rogan
Got it.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay.
Joe Rogan
Right. Why'd they keep going back?
Terry Bradshaw
Because it didn't work.
Joe Rogan
Okay. Didn't work at all.
Terry Bradshaw
Symptoms came. No, no, no, it worked. It worked for a little bit.
Joe Rogan
Right. Well, what are these people dealing with? What's wrong with them? They're going back and back and back.
Terry Bradshaw
Mostly knees and ankles.
Joe Rogan
Okay, so you're probably talking about arthritis.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Probably talking about degenerative knee conditions, ankle conditions. So the amount of damage that you're trying to repair with stem cells, you're going to get a little bit of benefit in something like that if it's that far gone. But stem cells work.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't, you know, Good. I'm glad. I'm glad they work. You do stem cells 100. What? What hurts?
Joe Rogan
I had cuff tear that completely went away.
Terry Bradshaw
No, that's at least a year.
Joe Rogan
That's what you say.
Terry Bradshaw
At least a year.
Joe Rogan
I had a full length rotator cuff tear. I got stem cells shot into it.
Terry Bradshaw
Full tear.
Joe Rogan
Full tear. My doctor told me I 100% was going to need surgery. I went to an orthopedic surgeon that the UFC recommended. So they sent me to their guy.
Terry Bradshaw
Yes, Joe, excuse me, please go. But if I finish this, I'm probably gonna believe you.
Joe Rogan
You don't have to believe me or not believe me. I'm telling the truth. So I went to this doctor, he said, you have a full length rotator cuff tear. You're gonna need surgery. He goes, you could, if you want, you could try maybe make it a little bit better, but ultimately you're just putting off the surgery. So I get this stem cell treatment in Vegas. Dr. Roddy McGee hooks me up with the stem cell treatment. And then six months later, he gives me an MRI and he says, the rotator tough tear is completely gone. He goes, I've never seen anything like this in my life. He goes, it's gone. It did. Literally. The tear doesn't exist.
Terry Bradshaw
You had baby Jesus in your pocket.
Joe Rogan
No, I had science.
Terry Bradshaw
All right.
Joe Rogan
Hey, it works. You'd be silly to ignore breakthrough science like this because there's a reason why so many people are doing it. The reason why so many people are doing it is, look, it's not a miracle. It's not going to fix things that are unfixable, like, like bone on bone arthritis. It's not going to fix.
Terry Bradshaw
That's what I'm doing.
Joe Rogan
But it might reduce some of the inflammation and give you at least temporary relief, which is why these people keep going back again and again and again.
Terry Bradshaw
When I got cancer, I had to do some certain treatments and I have rheumatoid arthritis. Now, if I were still in my rheumatoid arthritis medicine, which I haven't been for three years now, I probably wouldn't be having the pain that I'm having. But you can't take the rheumatoid arthritis after you have radiation. And so do you want to risk that? Plus, I kept getting all these cancer things.
Joe Rogan
So you had two types of cancer, right? You had skin cancer.
Terry Bradshaw
I had bladder and Merkel cell, which is 2% of America has two has Merkel cell. Both of them. The bladder cancer was. Was. I went to a doctor in Dallas, he checked me and he says, well, you got a little blood in your urine, but that's fine, that's normal, or something like that. And I kept complaining, man, as went on. Finally I told my wife, I said, boy, something's not right. So she researched and found that the best doctor was at Yale University. Yale. So I went up to New Haven, Connecticut for testing, went in exploratory biopsy, came out and said, you got bladder cancer. Wow. It's a funny story about that. Funny story. There's nothing funny about cancer. But I. The last time I got divorced. You ever been divorced?
Joe Rogan
No.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay, good. Good for you. So the last time I got divorced, my wife calls me and she says, I need for you to sit down. I don't love you anymore. I want a divorce. Oh, all right. End of that story, right? So my wife, the wife's sitting outside after they get. She gets the reports. I didn't know she got the report. She says, honey, I need for you to sit down. I ain't sitting down. I don't want another divorce. That's the first into my head the last time I heard a woman tell me, sit down. I need for you to sit down. My ass is out of there. At five o' clock that afternoon.
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, boy.
Terry Bradshaw
Hey, yeah, that was. I wouldn't sit down. She said, she said, you got bladder cancer. And I said, all right, all right.
Joe Rogan
At least we're not getting divorced.
Terry Bradshaw
I deal with bladder cancer. I can't deal with another divorce.
Joe Rogan
You want to hear a crazy story about stem cells and bladder?
Terry Bradshaw
Let me ask you something.
Joe Rogan
This woman. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about stem cells. They made a bladder for this woman out of stem cells. She had some sort of a bladder issue. I don't remember if it's cancer or what it was, but she had to have her bladder removed. They made a completely new bladder for her out of stem cells with her own skin tissue, put it back in her body and now that's her bladder. So stem cells work.
Terry Bradshaw
Did that make the news?
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Oh, sure. There's art, there's articles written about it, peer reviewed papers. No, she has not been here, nor has the doctor that did it. But I'm aware of the story.
Terry Bradshaw
It's like putting it in a bowl and you grow it in a bowl.
Joe Rogan
I don't know how they did it because I'm a.
Terry Bradshaw
But someone very sworn when it comes,
Joe Rogan
stuff like that, someone very smart figured out how to make a bladder.
Terry Bradshaw
But if it works for you and you believe it, who am I to.
Joe Rogan
What do you mean believe it? Like she, she's got a bladder now?
Terry Bradshaw
No, if you believe what, fine. But I mean, I mean, fine. That's good.
Joe Rogan
Listen, if you ever get injured, holler at me. I'll bring it a ways to, well, get you some stem cells and then we'll have another conversation afterwards. You're like, wow, it fixed it that.
Terry Bradshaw
We're not arguing here.
Joe Rogan
No, we're not arguing, but I'm saying.
Terry Bradshaw
But I just.
Joe Rogan
There's, there's real reasons why these people travel to Tijuana and go to these different places and they die in tij.
Terry Bradshaw
What was a great actor that went to Mexico to have all the stem cells done and who did that? He was the ghost. What was his name? The actor also went to Mexico, died. Two, Two actors went down there for stem cells. When stem cells first came out, you know, they wouldn't do it. Remember when they wouldn't do it in America?
Joe Rogan
Yes.
Terry Bradshaw
So they were going to Germany and they were going to Mexico.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, Germany was a lot for Reginakine. Yeah, they were going for.
Terry Bradshaw
Because I know Fred Couples was going to.
Joe Rogan
Well, I mean Kobe Bryant went to Germany. Peyton Manning went to Germany. They went to Germany.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
For regenerachine, which is like a very. That's not stem cells as much. That's something.
Terry Bradshaw
What is it?
Joe Rogan
It's a very advanced form of platelet rich Plasma, like prp. It's like prp, but it's way more effective. I had that done too. That cured a bulging disc for me.
Terry Bradshaw
Now one of the things they're doing now, and I don't know what it is, I don't know how I got on this, by the way, but stem cells. Yeah, but cancer is. Now what are they? What is it, what's it called where you go in, they spin your blood and they then put it back in you for. What is that called? You.
Joe Rogan
You know what, prp, that's what we're just talking about. Platelet rich plasma.
Terry Bradshaw
Then put it back in.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Interesting.
Joe Rogan
Look, there's a. Well, there's a bunch of different things. Plasma phoresis, it's another thing. They take the plasma out, I don't know why.
Terry Bradshaw
And I'm not sitting here, I'm not sitting here saying, hey, Joe, you're crazy. All right, you did it.
Joe Rogan
You wouldn't be the first.
Terry Bradshaw
No, you did it. You believe in it. It happened for you, you know. All right, I don't mind taking a shot. I'll take a shot all day long.
Joe Rogan
Okay?
Terry Bradshaw
You don't. You put anything in your body with a needle.
Joe Rogan
Anything? Not anything. I mean, I'm pretty careful about it.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I would hope so. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Don't just try it out. Let's see what happens when I put this in my body with a needle.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, yeah, it's. Look, I got a sister in law, this one that's totally this way and I'm totally that way. You're one way and I'm. And that's good. That's what makes the world.
Joe Rogan
What does the sister in law do? What do you mean? Well, what does that mean? Is she a liberal?
Terry Bradshaw
No, absolutely not. Very much.
Joe Rogan
Republican.
Terry Bradshaw
Conservative. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Okay, so how is she different than you?
Terry Bradshaw
Well, if it works, and I think it's going to work, I'm not afraid to try it.
Joe Rogan
Right?
Terry Bradshaw
When I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and I'm laying in a hospital and they take me and they isolate me, isolate me because they didn't know what was wrong with me. Test, test, test, test. Boy, I'm in a hurry then to go in and do I want to say stem cells? I want to say it because that's the first thing that comes to mind. Went into my knee and I sat in the hospital for two more days and felt fine. And then they released me and I went home. And I was home one day and in the middle of the night I'm screaming and hollering in pain. My wife, she gets up and then, thank God. At that time I owned a plane so I could get on the plane and get back to Florida and got down there and that's when they found out I had rheumatoid arthritis. And they had to bring a specialist in to find out what the hell was going on with.
Joe Rogan
So is it only the knees?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, only the knee. Okay. Only the knee. That's where the knee. I never. There's no. There's no rheumatoid arthritis in my family. None.
Joe Rogan
You can't find it anywhere. Rheumatoid arthritis. Systemic. When most people have it, don't they have it everywhere? That's what I thought.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, yeah, but look it.
Joe Rogan
But if you have it in here.
Terry Bradshaw
But look, this finger's just turning. That thumb's just now turning my hands right now. Because I'm not. I don't take any medicine. The only thing that hurts in the morning before I take. I take a. Do you take Celebrex? Do you believe in Celebrex?
Joe Rogan
What is Celebrex?
Terry Bradshaw
Celebre. Anti. Inflammatory.
Joe Rogan
No, I don't.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay. I take an inflammatory in the morning. Okay. I take an anti. Inflammatory and that makes. That takes about 80% of the pain away. Doesn't hurt anywhere else. Now my hip is starting to kill me. My ankle was killing me.
Joe Rogan
How about. How many years did you play football for?
Terry Bradshaw
14. 14. Professional. That's four. That's high school, junior high, high school, college, professional. And I played back in the 70s when, I mean, come on. Yeah, hit the fan back then, right?
Joe Rogan
What were the surgeries like back then?
Terry Bradshaw
You know, I was tough. Yeah, back then. They shoot you up, you know, you. You're gonna play. That's how it was. You're going to play. When I pulled my stomach muscles and they were. Shoot me up before the game, and then at halftime I'd get shot up again. What were they shooting? Block. I tore. I torn the. The oblique.
Joe Rogan
You tore your oblique and they just made you keep playing?
Terry Bradshaw
They didn't make me, but I wanted to keep playing.
Joe Rogan
What were they shooting you up with? Cortisone or something?
Terry Bradshaw
Stuff. I don't know.
Joe Rogan
Stuff.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't know, Joe. I'm not a doctor. Come on, man. Are you a doctor? Hey, let me just say this. I could play.
Joe Rogan
All right, I get it.
Terry Bradshaw
I didn't have a problem with it.
Joe Rogan
Okay?
Terry Bradshaw
Worked scary. You don't want your legs up in the air and some doctor coming in there and didn't give it. Didn't give it a thought.
Joe Rogan
Okay.
Terry Bradshaw
At all. You know, just, it's. It's kind of the way it was. It's. It was the unspoken bravado.
Joe Rogan
Got it.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. You know that football players say back in the. Can you imagine the 50s and the 60s?
Joe Rogan
Oh, my goodness.
Terry Bradshaw
Jeez Louise.
Joe Rogan
Well, what year did you start playing professionally?
Terry Bradshaw
70.
Joe Rogan
70. Wow.
Terry Bradshaw
I'm 77. Wow, you're what, 50?
Joe Rogan
58.
Terry Bradshaw
58.
Joe Rogan
Almost 59.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I'm 77. Yeah. So he just didn't think anything about it. I said, well, how'd you get used to all that? I grew up with it. When you grow up with it, it's normal. Normal, yeah. It's all part of the. You play. And as a quarterback, I think back then, or anytime quarterbacks play, coaches got to know that he can rely on his quarterback to be out there and no matter what. And I even had one coach say, hey, you always play hurt? You always play hurt? Yeah, I do. Don't know. Shoot me up. Knock it.
Joe Rogan
Shoot me up with stuff.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, let's have it.
Joe Rogan
Stuff.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't ask what it is. You just. You want to hear us? We played Cincinnati one year, and the night before the game, there's a lineup of players going into a room to be shot up.
Joe Rogan
Whoa.
Terry Bradshaw
Yo. Yeah. Yeah. It's just normal.
Joe Rogan
And you don't know what they were shooting them up with.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, we played, didn't we? I told you stuff and you didn't think anything of it. Nobody.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
It was just normal, normal, normal.
Joe Rogan
You gotta play.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, he's a doctor. Hey, it's part of the. You know. And everybody hates, you know.
Joe Rogan
Did they have steroids back then?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, they did. I just didn't. I didn't know why. One player was built like Atlas, skin tight, muscles bulging. Didn't know he, you know, didn't know anything about it. Howie Long. You never had Howie on the.
Joe Rogan
Howie's amazing. No, I've never had Howie.
Terry Bradshaw
Howie's amazing. Howie tells this story. He was a rookie defensive tackler, no defensive end at this time. He lined up over our tight end, Larry Brown, whose arms were this big around and he was. Had like a 22 inch waist, massive legs, ripped every muscle. You could see the muscles in most gorgeous body on a human being you've ever seen. And he put his. He put his arm. He put his arm down, you know, getting in position and how he lined up over him and how he tells us how he's the best and how he goes, you gotta be effing kidding me. He said he'd never seen anything like that. So I'm not saying. Larry, did steroids or anything like that, but he was.
Joe Rogan
But he might have.
Terry Bradshaw
Might have. I don't know.
Joe Rogan
They might have. Some people were.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
What year did steroids enter into sports?
Terry Bradshaw
Well, I think it came. I think it became an issue after the 70s. Correct.
Joe Rogan
Well, it was an issue in the Olympics, and one of the things they were noticing was Eastern block women. They weren't very.
Terry Bradshaw
I'm gonna do an interview. Okay. Nancy.
Joe Rogan
They were very womenly. Yeah, they. They seemed to. And then those women reported about it. They talked about it back in the day that, you know, that they were forced to take steroids and it ruined their life and not good for you.
Terry Bradshaw
That's for sure.
Joe Rogan
Especially for a woman to take. Hyper male. For sure.
Terry Bradshaw
You and I could probably sit here and talk about certain athletes that have had such a body change. All right.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, for sure.
Terry Bradshaw
And go, you know.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Got to be killed. Kidding me. Yeah. And then I think rightly or. Or justifiably so, it was probably due to steroids. We wouldn't want to say that. Wouldn't want to mention it.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Well, I know a lot of guys have taken steroids, especially because of the early days of the ufc. Yeah, Everybody was taking steroids.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. You can't.
Joe Rogan
And pride. In Japan, everyone was taking steroids.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, It.
Joe Rogan
Not everyone, but most people. A lot. Rampage. Didn't. But there's a good percentage.
Terry Bradshaw
Found out what you found out later, that steroids are not good for you. They soften the tendons, the ligaments, and you never. And then all of a sudden, these athletes start having problems. They start getting hurt. They start getting hurt. Start getting hurt. And, you know, I think what happens
Joe Rogan
is the muscles are too strong for the tendons because tendons take too long. They don't grow at the same pace as muscle tissue does when you're on steroids. They don't have the same sort of circulation.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't think about steroids. I don't know. I don't know the dynamics or the physiology, the physics of it. I know the muscles get big.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
But the tendons don't grow what it is, the muscles.
Joe Rogan
Exactly. It takes longer for tendons to strengthen. Tendons don't have as much circulation. They don't have a good blood supply. That's why it's so hard when a tendon gets injured. Injured to heal.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
So what happens a lot of times is these Guys develop these massive muscles, and they can move so much more weight, but the tendons haven't really caught up, up to what the muscles can do. And a lot of times, these guys wind up blowing out tendons.
Terry Bradshaw
I mean, the. The. That wrestling bunch. I mean, every one of those guys look like an Adonis.
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah. Especially back in the day.
Terry Bradshaw
Hey, Schwarzenegger.
Joe Rogan
Schwarzenegger. Yeah. Well, he's open about it. You know, he took a lot of stuff.
Terry Bradshaw
You know what? We know it. Someone say it.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
We're not stupid.
Joe Rogan
Well, that's a sport where it's required if you want to be Mr. Olympia. It's. No. There's no way to get that kind of a body without steroids. Doesn't exist.
Terry Bradshaw
What about the. The. What about the WrestleMania bunch? You were part of that.
Joe Rogan
I'm sure I wasn't. I wasn't a part of that, but I'm sure a bunch of those. No, no, no.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay.
Joe Rogan
No, but I'm sure a bunch of those guys probably take it, too. That's how you get big, you know? And if you're a wrestler and you want to be on WrestleMania, if you want to be a professional wrestler, you want to be this hulking figure, there's one way to do it. You got to take steroids. You know, it's not a normal physique for someone to attain, and you don't
Terry Bradshaw
get tested for it.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, exactly. That's why the early days of the ufc, there was no testing. Testing. And then when it started getting sanctioned, then we were tested by athletic commissions, and then eventually the UFC realized we've got a real problem where these guys are figuring out how to beat the athletic commission's testing because it's only one day. So it was really more. They. They would call it an intelligence test rather than an IQ test.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
And so then they started using usada, and USADA would just randomly test people, and then they started catching people, and that's when physiques really change.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. I. You know, that year. I'll say it, that year, when those baseball players are hitting 60 home runs like it was nothing.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
And they were. You're looking at them and going, she.
Joe Rogan
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Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
That was the best.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
They should give them all steroids. It's the only time baseball's fun.
Terry Bradshaw
I'll tell you what it was.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
The viewers were tuning in a hundred percent. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
The Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa days. Barry Bonds. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Barry went from 185 to.
Joe Rogan
I met Barry when he was normal sized.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
When he was like a normal athlete. And then he just got giant. But also he was a great baseball player first. And then you give him all those steroids and now he's got all this muscle and he's just cracking them out of the park. Those are the good old days. They should have looked away. They should have turned their head away. Boy, I tell you, I don't see nothing. They should have. Everybody should have shut the fuck up and let these guys take steroids. Let's go. Do you like home runs or not? Let's go.
Terry Bradshaw
That's from Joe Rogan, ladies.
Joe Rogan
That's me.
Terry Bradshaw
We'll be back in a minute.
Joe Rogan
The problem is it's the great American pastime. And you don't want to associate the great American pastime with what people think is cheating.
Terry Bradshaw
But that's.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, you look.
Terry Bradshaw
There's guys that didn't need to do it to be in the hall of Fame. And they're getting barred from the hall of Fame.
Joe Rogan
That's true.
Terry Bradshaw
Barry's one of them. Barry was a great player without.
Joe Rogan
Fantastic player. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Mark McGuire.
Joe Rogan
So is Mark McGuire and so was Sammy Sosa.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Didn't need it. I don't. Maybe they didn't think they'd be noticed. Maybe didn't think they'd get caught. Maybe these guys got giant.
Joe Rogan
I don't know how they didn't think the people would notice. They got. They got enormous.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, for sure.
Joe Rogan
But you know, hey, it is what it is. I mean, it was a fun time, though. Yeah, Fun time for baseball.
Terry Bradshaw
You know, I remember people asking me, said, you didn't know your guys are on steroids. And hell, I didn't know what steroids was. I remember one time I was at the hall of Fame, someone. That was the question that came to me about steroids. I didn't know any better. I said, well, hell, everybody takes steroids. I took steroids for this, you know. But not antibiotic still.
Joe Rogan
Right. He took cortisone.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. I didn't. I didn't correlate the two different. The differences. And one guy comes up to me, you idiot. It's. There's two types at least we know of. And I went, I didn't know.
Joe Rogan
You know, that's actually fun.
Terry Bradshaw
I'm. You know what? Let me tell you the truth.
Joe Rogan
Tell me the truth.
Terry Bradshaw
I'm glad. I'm glad that I was blindfolded. I'm glad my brain didn't function like that. I'm glad I didn't look at anybody and go, what's he own? I don't look. I just. Hell, I just. They're lifting weights, brother. They're just lifting weights. God bless them, you know.
Joe Rogan
Well, that's a good attitude to have.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. And then they say, well, your team was on steroids. Well, if that's the case, wasn't illegal. Everybody was doing it.
Joe Rogan
Right. Not only that, but let's be realistic. Most teams were on steroids because you're professionals and you want to do your best. And if you got a bunch of guys and the way they could do their best is to be as strong as they possibly can be, they're gonna take steroids. Especially when it's legal.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, it just.
Joe Rogan
Especially.
Terry Bradshaw
You don't want to say it was a product of the times, but in essence, it was.
Joe Rogan
Well, every time the times change, when there's something effective that comes along like steroids, you're gonna have a bunch of people that want an edge. And, you know, there was a time where people thought of creatine like steroids. Yeah, right.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Creatine is a very beneficial supplement that everybody should take. It's great for your brain. It's great for mitochondrial function. It's great for muscle.
Terry Bradshaw
Blueberries are good for your brain.
Joe Rogan
Blueberries are good for your brain.
Terry Bradshaw
Franco Harris used to tell me, brad, are you eating a lot of blueberries? I said, franco, you're not gonna believe this, but I buy blueberries all the time because of you. Yeah. It's good for your brain. Good for your brain.
Joe Rogan
They are.
Terry Bradshaw
And I love blueberries.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, A lot of antioxidants in them, too. Yeah. Blueberries are just great, Period, Period. But. But, you know, when you're Doing things for your body. When you're a professional athlete, it's, of course there's going to be a bunch of people that are on steroids. Like, yeah, if you want to get bigger, that's the way to do it. Like, what are we doing here? We lying?
Terry Bradshaw
You think they do it today?
Joe Rogan
Do you think they don't do it today?
Terry Bradshaw
That's the real question I asked you.
Joe Rogan
They definitely do something. They do whatever the. They can get away with how big
Terry Bradshaw
these kids are coming out of high school.
Joe Rogan
Well, there's also genetics. Like, people change.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, kids. Kids nowadays are eating better, training better,
Joe Rogan
eating better, more nutrition.
Terry Bradshaw
Exactly, exactly. They're huge. They're huge. You know, I think my offensive line in the 70s averaged about maybe 260. 260. Wow.
Joe Rogan
£100 difference than today, right?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Now you're loving these coaches. My offensive line this year gonna be 6, 5, 3, 7 2. And you go, whoa, now can they move? And then they'll say something like, like, but got quick feet. Okay, got quick feet. I love quick feet.
Joe Rogan
It's crazy. When you see some of these guys doing the 40.
Terry Bradshaw
You. You go, You've been on sideline.
Joe Rogan
I've watched videos. I haven't been live.
Terry Bradshaw
Go to the sideline.
Joe Rogan
Go to 7ft tall. 440 pounds. That's crazy. 7 foot 380. Oh, my God, look at that. That. As an eighth grader. Go back to that picture. As an eighth grader. He was 6 foot 10, 450 pounds in junior high school.
Terry Bradshaw
Junior high school, Yeah.
Joe Rogan
I, you know, I. Desmond Weston. Look at the. Desmond Watson.
Terry Bradshaw
Where's he going?
Joe Rogan
464 pounds, heaviest player.
Terry Bradshaw
Wow. Oh, he's in the NFL.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. NFL history. 464 pounds. That's so big.
Terry Bradshaw
Here's what I'll say about my guys. My guys could put on their pants and that. Nothing rolled over.
Joe Rogan
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, they were flat belly. They were in shape because we ran a knot. We ran a. Our game was all about motion traps and specials and leads and stuff like that. They had to run. They had to run and they ran. And if they were 400 pounds, you gonna pull this guy.
Joe Rogan
Right, right.
Terry Bradshaw
400 pounds. I mean, so I. If I were coach today, just my. My thinking what I want. I want an athletic guy. I don't want a big guy. I want. I don't want a guy that you go, all right, we're going to do gassers. Billy, John, William, William Earl. Y' all go ahead and go on and get a shower. No. 380, whatever. They can. They can't run gassers, right? They can't run gassers.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
You know, run the mile. We had to run a Steeler mile every year when we got to training camp. Well, if you're 325, £30. Now, I don't want to pigeonhole everybody because there are some guys I've seen in the NFL that I've walked by before the game started. And I turned it to Howie. Howie's always at. We're always together. I went, holy.
Joe Rogan
Isn't there a utility, though? Isn't there a value, a function of a big giant dude that maybe can't run gassers but can stop a play dead in its tracks because you're running into a brick wall?
Terry Bradshaw
Right? Maybe he's only got to go five yards.
Joe Rogan
That's what I'm saying.
Terry Bradshaw
Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But that wasn't how I was brought up.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
That wasn't what I was taught.
Joe Rogan
But obviously you're a fan of the game still and you still watch the game. How much has the game changed from when? Like 1970, your first year. I'm talking about it, but like big. But would you imagine that the guys from 1970 would fit right into today's game?
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Size. Joe Green made the hall of fame at 275. Difficult tackle. 275. Jack Lambert, 218. Admitted linebacker. Hall of famer. Jack.
Joe Rogan
How big was Jim Brown in his prime?
Terry Bradshaw
Jim Brown? I, I never played against Jim Brown. Right.
Joe Rogan
It was before your time. But how big was Jim Brown?
Terry Bradshaw
Probably to what, 220, maybe 215.
Joe Rogan
Isn't that crazy?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. So I, I always, I always say, size wise, we can't do it. And then of course, you want to really get into it, then talk about money and stuff like that. But size wise, size wise, now I will say this. The wide receivers, the quarterbacks and running backs could play today and probably the tight ends. But then when you get my center weigh 252. And I always say, since I'm in the cattle business, I'll take a little young bull. I'll take my Angus bull over your Charolais bull. Anytime your Charolais bull is going to be. Or Simmental is going to be huge up off the ground, but my Angus bull's gonna get under him and be able to control him with, with, with, with technique.
Joe Rogan
And wait a minute, you got bulls fighting each other?
Terry Bradshaw
Is that what you're Saying, no, Joe, you're not listening. See?
Joe Rogan
Try to listen.
Terry Bradshaw
You're okay. You get some rest last night? Just okay? Good.
Joe Rogan
Fully rested. Everything right? Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Got a big bull, the little bull. He's already got the leverage because he's under the big bull.
Joe Rogan
Got it.
Terry Bradshaw
The big bull's got to get down to get leverage on the little bull. He's got all the mass and the weight.
Joe Rogan
Outnumb like Mike Tyson in his prime. Right.
Terry Bradshaw
That's a bad sucker.
Joe Rogan
Bad. As bad as it gets.
Terry Bradshaw
Bad.
Joe Rogan
Baddest man ever.
Terry Bradshaw
He came in a restaurant I was in, and he saw him and he came over and he pulled up a chair. There was a owl. And I'm sitting over here next to the wall. And then there's dinner chairs here. He went over, he pulled up a chair, slid over, blocked the aisle. And we talked about Johnny and I for an hour. Wow. Mike Tyson. That's pretty cool.
Joe Rogan
Well, he's a giant fan of all kinds of athletes, you know, I mean, that guy studies. He studies warriors and athletes and former generals, and he's really. Oh, he knows so much about Genghis Khan. Me and we had this long conversation. He knew his original name, which is Temujin. Yeah, I did. I knew a lot about it. Well, not a lot, I would say, but I. I got pretty obsessed and I. There's a guy named Dan Carlin. He's got a fantastic series called Hardcore History. Yeah, it's a podcast, and he had this series on Genghis Khan called the Wrath of the Khan. And that. That got me obsessed. That opened up the door, and then I started reading books on Genghis Khan and watching documentaries, and I got obsessed.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I'm a huge documentary guy, but
Joe Rogan
he knew so much about Genghis Khan. He knew his original name, which was Temujin. He knew his whole story about how he was born with a blood clot in his hand. Mike knew everything about it. Yeah, Mike studies like conquerors, you know. He's like, really know that. Yeah. You know, he's a very smart guy,
Terry Bradshaw
that people would know that.
Joe Rogan
Mike is a very interesting guy. He's not. He's not what people think of. If you think of Mike Tyson as being this, like, mindless destroyer now. He's very intelligent.
Terry Bradshaw
Do you ever. You ever. You ever. You ever think about why do. Why do athletes. I have an image. My image was I was the dumb guy. You ever. Have you ever asked yourself a question, why. Why is your opinion about Mike Tyson so different now since you interviewed him, but prior to that, that wasn't out in the press, was it?
Joe Rogan
No.
Terry Bradshaw
I mean, maybe later in his career,
Joe Rogan
but you, you'd have to, you watch a guy fight like that and he fought so brutally, and if you weren't a student of boxing, you wouldn't understand like the amount of thinking that has to take place to get that. Good, good. Like, it's not just that he's just running at people and punching them. He's bobbing and weaving. He's being incredibly elusive. He's shifting his weight to the left and shifting his weight to the right. He's cutting angles like a middleweight. He's doing things to these guys that they've never seen a heavyweight do before. And he also was a giant student of boxing. So his manager was a guy named
Terry Bradshaw
Jim Jacobs, a short guy who was
Joe Rogan
like 511 in his.
Terry Bradshaw
There you go, there's the bull.
Joe Rogan
There's the bull issue right there, like 20 inch neck. I mean, he was a tank. And he, his manager was this guy, Jim Jacobs. Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian and he had all of these old film reels of everyone from Jack Johnson to Stanley Ketchel to Jack Dempsey, like all the old time fighters. And Mike would watch those on a, all day long. So he would train and they would watch these guys all day long. So he had an access to film footage that most fighters, all you could see is the guys in the gym and the guys that you saw fight live. Back in those days in the 80s, there was no, there was no VHS tapes. You know, there was there was no like real tapes of boxing that you could watch back then. So when Mike, this is when Mike was like 13. So Mike was 13 years old and he's watching film of the greatest Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest boxers of all time, Willie Pep, Rocky Marciano. He's watching all these guys and absorbing their styles and figuring out like, it takes intelligence to do that. Like it's not, that's not what a dumb guy would do. A dumb guy wouldn't see. Oh, when he does this, it's because of that. So he can avoid the counter and duck underneath and hit him at an angle where he can't hit him. Beautiful. I'm going to incorporate that into my training and figure out how to, how to find those patterns. In Spy.
Terry Bradshaw
I always thought, because you hear a counterpunch, do you know how hard it is? And I'm not a boxer, but when someone swing, you watch their training. And then, and then they'll say, when does this counter punch? Do you know how fast that. You know how fast that brain.
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Has to work for you to counter punch.
Joe Rogan
Oh, you have to be lightning fast, lightning fast. And you have to have trained it a thousand times.
Terry Bradshaw
You want to be hit all day long in the face, in the stomach.
Joe Rogan
Tough way to make a living. But so is football. And especially back when you guys were playing when they would just shoot you up.
Terry Bradshaw
Different for sure, but not boxing. Holy cow. I met Muhammad Ali one time. I was six, three and a half. I'm six one and a half now. And I was looking up to him, and I'm sure he wasn't any taller, but I was looking up to him because I was so impressed. And you know, we had a great first time meeting. He was a fan of mine. I didn't know it. It was like, like that made me great. And I went to a couple of banquets that he was at and he had send notes down to me to come down and say hello to him. Well, he's, you know, I'm gonna bother him. And I'd go, I'd go down. Hey, hey, hey, champ. How you doing? Terry Bradshaw. Yeah, yeah. Hey, have you heard this one? He tell me a joke. A joke. That's the last thing I expected, you know, from Muhammad Ali. Yeah. But I loved Muhammad Ali.
Joe Rogan
That was an incredible, incredibly intelligent guy. Guy and also the first guy to figure out how to get attention by talking.
Terry Bradshaw
And we hated him. First up, I didn't like him. Did you like him?
Joe Rogan
I loved him, but I didn't like. I was younger when I didn't like him.
Terry Bradshaw
I, I grew up in an era of respect, right? You respect your opponent. You don't say anything bad about them. You give them all the praise. When it's all said, you respect your. Don't show. Show both. You don't do anything. You don't run into the end zone. You don't do this. You respect your opponent. And that's the way that I was raised. And that's how. And that, and actually the way I was coached. And I had a, I had a hard time, a hard time when Billy White Shoes Johnson of Houston would get in the end zone, he'd start doing that dance and everything. I don't like it at all. And Billy White Shoes is a. He's a good dude, you know, and, and, But I didn't like it. I just don't like. I don't like any athlete drawing attention to himself. If you're playing tennis or golf, okay, that's one thing, because it's you. But when you're playing a team, a team event, everybody. Somebody else had to do that job, too.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
I just had a hard time.
Joe Rogan
I see what you're saying.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
In the team sport. But in boxing. Boxing is just one on one. But I still didn't like it, even in boxing, Bragging and. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Now I look back now, of course, I love it now.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
But he knew what he was doing.
Joe Rogan
Well, it's psychological warfare. Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, he had Sonny Liston so confused. Before he fought him, he would show up at Sonny Liston's house in, like, the middle of the night and stand on his lawn, scream at him. Yeah, he was just. With that guy's head. He was climbing inside of his head and, like, making sure that all day long he's thinking about him. And. And he also thought he was a legitimate insane person. Like, the way he was acting, he was not acting like a rational person. So he was worried all the time. So he's like, worry you're around this insane person. Well, you ever see the video where
Terry Bradshaw
they better be extreme? You listen, if. If you can do. If you can do that and back it up.
Joe Rogan
Which he did.
Terry Bradshaw
He did. Then I tip my ad to you.
Joe Rogan
Did you ever see the video where they ran into each other at a casino?
Terry Bradshaw
No.
Joe Rogan
So Sonny Liston was at a casino. I think Sonny was playing cards. And Muhammad Ali, back when he was Cassius Clay, came up behind him, and he starts ranting and raving and saying crazy and get. And Sonny pulls out a gun and shoots it into the air, and everybody scatters. It was a blank gun, but he anticipated that Ali was going to do that to him, so he said, I'm going to scare the out of this. You think you want to play crazy? Let's play crazy crazy. See if you can find that video. Jamie. The video is amazing. It's amazing because he just pulls this and then he shows. He, like, shoots. Here it is. Put your headphones on real quick. Grab his headphones. Yeah, pull it up. Pull it. Bring it back to the beginning. Yeah. The whole situation finally came to a head when Clay approached Liston at the Desert Inn in Las Vegas, where the champ was shooting craps and losing. Liston was in no mood to be harangued by the mouth from the south.
Terry Bradshaw
Drawing a gun, Sonny fired, frightening his
Joe Rogan
young tormentor into a hasty retreat. The gun was filled with blanks. So you shot the gun into his jacket to show everybody that it was just a blank. That is Crazy, though. So he was prepared. Isn't that funny?
Terry Bradshaw
He had blanks. That's crazy, brother.
Joe Rogan
That's pretty smart.
Terry Bradshaw
It's it. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Because, like, you got this guy's acting crazy. Like, I'm going to out crazy him. I don't want to shoot anybody, but I'm going to out crazy him. Give me a gun with some blanks and just pull it out in the
Terry Bradshaw
M. Alex bin had a huge lawsuit because he pulled out whether the gun was a blank and killed somebody. I mean, it's.
Joe Rogan
Yes, that was a problem with the person who was handling the guns.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, exactly.
Joe Rogan
But what. Okay, if that wasn't even sunny listen. What do you mean that wasn't sunny listen? That absolutely was sunny. Liston says it's from a movie, bro. That's Sunny L. Himself dramatizing retelling of his own life. The man with the gun is an actor. Not saying. Let me see that again. It was a movie set. What?
Terry Bradshaw
That's what it says.
Joe Rogan
So it's a recreation of the actual scene that happened. There's no real footage of Liston firing a gun at Ali. What dramatic clip circulating online? The one in nearly every rare footage post is a scene from a 1977 film called the Greatest. Oh, I saw that movie. So let me see it again. Can I see the video again? That's crazy. That's crazy. I would have swore that's Sonny Liston. You're listening to a narrator talk, and this one even has a narrator.
Terry Bradshaw
Wasn't Sunny Liston bald?
Joe Rogan
No, no. Sunny, listen. Wasn't bald.
Terry Bradshaw
No.
Joe Rogan
Oh, that isn't Sonny Liston. Well, the video's so blurry.
Terry Bradshaw
All right, there you have it.
Joe Rogan
Wow. That's not Sonny Liston. Oh, my God. I feel like such a dumbass. Find footage of Sonny Liston training. So he was. For back in the day, he was the scariest heavyweight. Sonny Liston was the guy. He was he in prison. What's that?
Terry Bradshaw
When he went to prison?
Joe Rogan
Yeah, he went to prison, but it was the way he won the title, the way he knocked out Floyd Patterson. It looked like Floyd Patterson had no business being in there with him. He was that good, that good and that big. And a lot of people going into that fight thought Muhammad Ali had no chance. They thought that he was going to get killed because, you know, Ali was a very good fighter who's up and coming fast, really fast with his footwork and his movement. But everybody thought that it was just a matter of time before Liston got him. That's crazy. I Recognize that guy? That actor. Is that the actor that was in Magnum PI I think it is. The actor's name is Roger E. Moseley.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Magnum BI. Aha.
Terry Bradshaw
Look at you.
Joe Rogan
Look at me.
Terry Bradshaw
You proud of yourself?
Joe Rogan
A little bit. I feel slightly better now, but I'm ashamed that I didn't realize that that wasn't actually Sonny Liston. So find some footage of Sonny Liston training, even on this. Some of this, I think, has already got some AI Footage in it, but. Oh, really? Well, this f. There's footage of him hitting the. There's honey. And this footage of Sunny hitting the bag. And he would just put these holes in the back. He had just murderous punching power. He was such a dangerous guy. And everyone was scared of him back then, you know, because he was this towering, hulking figure doctor. Had massive hands, and, I mean, he would brutalize his sparring partners. I mean, Sonny Liston was putting people away. I mean, he had. Look at the size of his hands. Just gigantic hands and tremendous power. But, you know, Ali figured out a way to just
Terry Bradshaw
took him out was even that big a punch.
Joe Rogan
That's the second fight. That's the Lewiston, Maine fight. Yeah, that's the fight when they fought in Lewiston, Maine. And that one is very tricky because in that. So he would hit guys with jabs and have them rocked. His. His hands were so massive, and his power was so extraordinary.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. You ever boxed?
Joe Rogan
I did some boxing. I did. I did it. I did it kickboxing, but I didn't do any, like, sport boxing.
Terry Bradshaw
Boxing?
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Get that bad enough. You hit me with your fist. Don't kick me with your feet. I don't want any part of that. But I boxed one time. One round.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
And I said that.
Joe Rogan
That's it.
Terry Bradshaw
That's it.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Oh, again. It's like. It's like cooking duck. It's something you got to learn how to do. You can't just jump in and think you're going to be good at it.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, well, I wasn't good at it. And not only that. That. I don't want to be hit.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Not fun.
Joe Rogan
Well, back in the day, in your. Your day, the. The way guys would treat getting hit if you got hit, there was no, like, take a game off, get evaluated. No nothing.
Terry Bradshaw
Concussion protocol.
Joe Rogan
Hop right back in, son. Are you.
Terry Bradshaw
I. I played against the Minnesota. No, the Miami Dolphins in a playoff game, and I got knocked out. Out. And I mean knocked out. And I guess I came to in the fourth quarter. I went back in Played pretty good, too.
Joe Rogan
Wow.
Terry Bradshaw
Not bad. Lost the game, but yeah, you woke
Joe Rogan
up and then they put you back in after you woke up?
Terry Bradshaw
Well, I, I, Something like that. Wow. I went out in the first quarter. I think I scored her on touchdown, Kept it, got knocked out and came back in the fourth quarter. Yeah, different, different, different. Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan
Nowadays, if a player gets knocked out, how much time do they make them take off?
Terry Bradshaw
They're going to a tent, and now you have a concussion guy in the booth representing the NFL. So they, they'll tell you, get him out.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
And they go into a tent and they get evaluated. More than likely, if they've been stunned, they're not going back in.
Joe Rogan
And how much time do they make them take off before they let them play again?
Terry Bradshaw
But they have to get evaluated every week, so it could be, yo, what, what is that?
Joe Rogan
Little baby cigars. So when you don't want to finish a big one. Oh, little tiny ones. They're little Monte Cristos.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, okay.
Joe Rogan
I like these sometimes. All right, so, but when they do that, and These guys are KO'd today, if they get knocked out, do they have like a 30 day rule?
Terry Bradshaw
No, it's not 30 days, but they do go. It's a week. It's. They go in, they keep getting about, keep getting evaluated, and they have to. You'll have, you'll have some guys.
Joe Rogan
There's no set timeline for discovery.
Terry Bradshaw
There you go.
Joe Rogan
Well, for recovery, rather, players must progress through these graded exertion phases without any increase in symptoms. Symptom, limited activity, prescribed rest with limited physical and cognitive activity, transitioning to light stretching and monitored light aerobic exercise. So with the ufc, when a guy gets knocked out, generally athletic commissions put a hold on them. Like, like it's a 90 day hold. And then some of them have like 60 day no contact. So they're not even allowed to spar for 60 days.
Terry Bradshaw
You get knocked out and that brain gets rattled like that. If the best game I played in high school, the best game I played in high school, a guy by the name of Larry Brewer. I fumbled coming out of the pocket in high school against Menden High School. I'm rolling to the right and I think the ball hits my left and it hits the ground and it's. And I'm chasing it, and about the time I get to the ball and get my hands on it and pick my head up, boom, out, out. I don't remember anything. And then I'm back in the game. And I mean, it's the best game. I played in high school. Dead serious. Best game I played in high school. Maybe I wasn't worried, I don't know.
Joe Rogan
But that's what I was going to ask you.
Terry Bradshaw
Crazy. You know, And I wonder if that's. I went in. Listen, I went. I've been to a couple of clinics just for. Just for brain work. Just to get. Get checked out. Yeah. All the tests that they could possibly do. Extensive test, because I was having trouble remembering that. Opened the gate. Gate. Did I open the gate this morning?
Joe Rogan
Right. Right where I did.
Terry Bradshaw
I opened the gate. I'm sure I opened the gate and I'd push the button. And when the button's green, the gate is moving. And then it goes red. It stopped. I mean, it goes yellow. It stopped. Then I push a button, it goes red. It's holding. It's staying open. Six times. I remember six times. And I'm like, did I push this button Then I remember. I remember. Okay, this. Something's wrong a second. Someone got checked. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
How long ago was this?
Terry Bradshaw
Years ago. Years. 30 plus years.
Joe Rogan
And did they do something for you?
Terry Bradshaw
Golly. Did they? No, I don't think so. I don't think I. I don't think anything came. I remember testing. I got tested and found out I had add, which was. Which was not a shocker, but was
Joe Rogan
a shocker because I. I think everybody has that.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Joe Rogan
Everybody's any good at anything has it.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Creative people have add.
Joe Rogan
Creative people and people that are, like, really into one thing. Yeah, like full on into it.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, they said, well, you're focused. This. That. Yeah, but when I'm fishing, I'm focused.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
When I'm showing horses, I don't have a problem. I'm focus. But if I'm taking geometry or going to ch.
Joe Rogan
Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
Terry Bradshaw
No interest.
Joe Rogan
Exactly.
Terry Bradshaw
No interest. So, yeah, so that's that.
Joe Rogan
If I'm learning something I'm not interested in, I have no focus.
Terry Bradshaw
I mean, you got to sit here and study all this stuff for all these different people, right? And I know you got to be interested in them.
Joe Rogan
You have to be interested.
Terry Bradshaw
Yes, you got to be.
Joe Rogan
But then I come there. People that don't have a problem being interested and they can study anything, and God bless them. I'm not one of those people. I have to be interested in what I'm.
Terry Bradshaw
You had Bradley Cooper on Love Bradley. Yeah, he did. He's awesome with the. The. The brain guy, the atom bomb.
Joe Rogan
Oppenheimer.
Terry Bradshaw
Oppenheimer.
Joe Rogan
He was in that movie. Well, that's right.
Terry Bradshaw
He Directed it.
Joe Rogan
That's right.
Terry Bradshaw
And he was in it. He was. He directed it, right, I think. No, he did.
Joe Rogan
He did, right?
Terry Bradshaw
He did.
Joe Rogan
He directed. What's that? That's right. It's Christopher Nolan.
Terry Bradshaw
Directed.
Joe Rogan
Directed. But Bradley Oppenheimer.
Terry Bradshaw
Yes. Yes.
Joe Rogan
What was his role? He's been in so many things.
Terry Bradshaw
Wasn't he in Oppenheimer? Okay. Oh, my bad.
Joe Rogan
What are you thinking of?
Terry Bradshaw
The music guy, Maestro. Yeah. He directed that and starred in it.
Joe Rogan
Oh, yes. Oh, yes.
Terry Bradshaw
Phenomenal.
Joe Rogan
I was trying to agree with you. I was like, what was Bradley and Oppenheimer? I haven't seen Oppenheimer in a couple of years.
Terry Bradshaw
I was just checking to see if you were on paying attention.
Joe Rogan
That dude who played Oppenheimer, he won an Oscar.
Terry Bradshaw
Did he win an Oscar?
Joe Rogan
At least he was up for Murphy, right? Yeah. That guy is phenomenal. And what, Cillian Murphy. Cillian Murphy. Well, anyway, he's phenomenal in Peaky Blinders.
Terry Bradshaw
Anybody that can act has got my attention because Cooper. Bradley's.
Joe Rogan
Well, real acting, Right?
Terry Bradshaw
Real acting.
Joe Rogan
Real acting. I've done some sitcom acting. That shit's pretty easy.
Terry Bradshaw
And you were probably Joe, Right? I play Joe, and I'm Terry Bradshaw and I've done like, five movies and people say, oh, man, you're that. No, no, no, no.
Joe Rogan
I'm no actor, but like, you know, Daniel Day Lewis type acting. Whoa. That's him. Him. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.
Terry Bradshaw
That's Bradley.
Joe Rogan
My God, he was makeup.
Terry Bradshaw
He was amazing in that movie.
Joe Rogan
Isn't that crazy? They can make it look that realistic. That is nuts. Leonard Bernstein.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, there you go.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Good. Did you see the movie?
Joe Rogan
Amazing.
Terry Bradshaw
You see it?
Joe Rogan
I did not.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, when you had him on here, did you tell him you saw it?
Joe Rogan
I did not. I would have probably. I'd be like, oh, yeah, sorry.
Terry Bradshaw
No, hey. It's like, I had a guy, we went back to high school and met the assistant trainer for the first time in years. I didn't know his name. And this buddy of mine. How you doing, man? Get over here. I'm like, he knows this. And they're going on. Give me. Give me a. Give me a hug, you know? You son of a gun. And for why he did this, I'll never know. He goes, what's my name? What's my name? He said that to him. What's my name? And I'm over there and I'm like, oh, my God, this is hilarious.
Joe Rogan
That is hilarious.
Terry Bradshaw
He didn't have a clue. He'd have a Clue.
Joe Rogan
Well, he probably forgot if he left the gate open, too. I mean, give the guy a break. May have give the guy a break, but still had a few head gangs.
Terry Bradshaw
You know what I do all the time and I'll tell people this.
Joe Rogan
What?
Terry Bradshaw
Look, I don't. What's your name again? Joe. Joe. Joe. Hey. I may ask you again what your name is, and then I may ask you again, but I'm going to get your name right. I don't want to sit here and not know.
Joe Rogan
People get that. I don't think people should get. Yeah, I don't think they should get.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't think you get. Because here's what I'm saying.
Joe Rogan
This is a thing that happens to people, and it definitely happens to people that meet too many people. Do you know what Dunbar's number is?
Terry Bradshaw
Is? No.
Joe Rogan
Dunbar's number is a number of people that you can keep in your memory because we evolved in tribal societies of small groups of people.
Terry Bradshaw
Where are you getting all this?
Joe Rogan
I just remember things.
Terry Bradshaw
Somebody tell you this?
Joe Rogan
Somebody? Oh, definitely. I didn't study it. This is Dunbar's number. So the max amount of relationships a person can maintain. Oh, yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Which one are you?
Joe Rogan
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Terry Bradshaw
Where are you? Where are you?
Joe Rogan
Where do you mean? Where are you?
Terry Bradshaw
In the.
Joe Rogan
In five, you are zero, your patient zero and five are the people that are very close to you. So that's your support people. And then 15 are your sympathy group. They're not quite as close as, like, the closest people to you, but they're pretty close. And then there's a close network of 50 people. Then you have a personal network of 150 people. You have 500 acquaintances, and then 1500 people that are recognizable.
Terry Bradshaw
You know what's funny? I make this bad habit. We all have bad habits. My bad habit is always friend of mine. I know Henry. Win. I know Henry.
Joe Rogan
I know Henry, too. I did a movie with him once. He's a great guy. Sweetheart.
Terry Bradshaw
And my. My wife says. And I'll say, I have his number. I have his number in my phone, and I do have Henry's number. But I'll say, well, so and so. Oh. Because I've met them, I automatically associate them with being my friend.
Joe Rogan
I do the same thing.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. It's just my wife will say, when did you talk to them last? Well, there's people I haven't talked to
Joe Rogan
for years and years and years. But you know my friends. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. I like a lot of.
Joe Rogan
I'm a friendly guy.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. I like a lot of people I do. But in my circle, we all surround ourselves. Our best friends are people that we have a lot in common with, and we share common values, common likes, whether it's horses, cattle. My whole world is horses and cattle. Horses and cattle. The people that booked me for speeches are dear, dear friends of mine. Howie Different. Kirk Menefee. Different, different, different. I work with him. I love being around him. Tell him I love. I have a heart. I have a habit of telling you I love you. Joe will love you, man.
Joe Rogan
I love you, too.
Terry Bradshaw
I love you, man.
Joe Rogan
And I do the same thing.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah? Yeah. Okay. See? Do you really love them?
Joe Rogan
I do.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, it means. What it means is I like you more than. I just like. You're just.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
I love elevating you a little bit here. And my wife is so smart. She's just like, you really got their number? I said, yeah, I got their number. And they're friends of yours? Yeah, they're friends. When's the last time he talked to him? Well, I hadn't talked to him in a few years.
Joe Rogan
Hey, but if your friends are called out sometimes, you can't be communicating with everybody all the time. There's friends that I. I'm friends with. If I see him, I'm gonna hug him, but I haven't talked to him in years.
Terry Bradshaw
You ever told someone this? You ever told someone this? Hey, you know what? Before you became really famous, we used to be really close, and now we're not. You ever said that?
Joe Rogan
No.
Terry Bradshaw
You ever? Okay, I have.
Joe Rogan
So before, when they're famous or you're famous.
Terry Bradshaw
I'm Joe. I've been famous a long time.
Joe Rogan
Long time.
Terry Bradshaw
Long time.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Yeah. Long time.
Terry Bradshaw
Long time. But I've actually. My problem is, if it's a problem is when I like somebody, I really like them.
Joe Rogan
That's a good problem.
Terry Bradshaw
I like to be in with them.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
And then you don't ever hear from them, but if you text them, they fire right back. And after a while, I'm going, why am I the one starting this relationship? Why am I. And I take it personal.
Joe Rogan
Do you really?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I do.
Joe Rogan
Okay.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I do. I'm sensitive about stuff like that. That. I mean, if you say, if we swap numbers today before I leave, and I don't, and I'm going to text you and say, hey, man, how's it going? How's the wife? How's the deer? How's the elk hunting? How you doing? Fine. And we get along great. And then two or three months go by. I hadn't heard From Joe. Hey, Joe. How you doing, man? It's good to see you. I mean, how you doing?
Joe Rogan
Oh, so you get upset of. You're the one always initiating.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't want to always initiate. I want someone else to feel the same way towards me. That's insecurity. I know. I just finished this book, and the whole thing is I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them, and that's not always the case.
Joe Rogan
Well, you're a very friendly guy.
Terry Bradshaw
I am?
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
I wish I weren't.
Joe Rogan
Why?
Terry Bradshaw
I don't know why. I like being friends. Let me tell you a funny story. You want a funny story?
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
All right, Here's a funny story. So when you get diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, you get put on steroids. You get a balance of steroids in your body to find out what holds off the pain, because that's. You got to block the pain. And so you go on a 90 day trial and error. So I'm doing. I do the steroids and I. I'm eating my ass, boy. I'm eating everything. I can't sleep and I'm eating. I'm doing a good job eating. And I'm working out twice a day. Are you kidding me? And I blow up, man. I put on like £60. Whoa. Huge. Go to Hawaii. My wife and I are in Kmart. Nice. Kmart's closed down, but it's really nice Kmart. So we're in there, we're getting stuff for the house and stuff, and we get. We're going down the aisles and people are, hey, Terry, how you doing? You know, I'm doing. I'm doing good. You know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm on steroids. I put on quite a bit of weight, as you probably can see. And, you know, I'm a little embarrassed, but, you know, it's going to get it balanced out. Oh, yeah, Sorry to hear about that. Hey, Terry, how you doing? Well, you know, I'm a little puffy right now, and I'm taking. You know, I'm on steroids. I got rheumatoid arthritis. You have to take steroids and get your balance. And I do this without even thinking about it, Joe. Three or four times in Kmart. So we walk out, get in the car. My wife. My wife who loves me to death, says, honey, honey, honey. Listen, when people say, how you doing, Terry? They don't. They don't want to Hear about steroids. They don't want to hear about Rupert.
Joe Rogan
They just want to hear how you doing.
Terry Bradshaw
They don't care. They recognize you and they're just happy to meet you. They don't care that you, you know, whatever. I went, am I really, am I really doing that? She said, yes, baby. You're doing that to everybody. I was so embarrassed, Joe. I'm like, oh, oh, oh my God, I can't believe I'm doing that. We cross the highway and we go where? Brand new Target. Massive Target. Awesome Target, you know? Yeah. Now, you don't shop at these places, but I do, I shop at Target. Do you?
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Love. I love Target. You go to Walmart?
Joe Rogan
I've been to Walmart.
Terry Bradshaw
I love been to Walmart.
Joe Rogan
It's been a couple of years.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, I live in St. Joe, Texas. In Walmart, we get dressed up and put a suit on when we go to Walmart. That's nice. Anyway, so we go to Target and I got. My wife's daughter told me. So we go to Target. I'm pushing the buggy and we're going down the aisle. Hey, Terry, how you doing? How am I doing, man? You're not gonna believe this, but I got rheumatoid arthritis and I've been taking steroids and I'm really put on a lot of weight. I'm really puffy now. I stand up, Joe. No kidding. And I lean down and I pull my, my pants leg up where my sock is and I push my sock down and you can see that giant indention from all the fluid that you're holding, Right. And when I put my head down and I see that ring, I start laughing. I can't help myself. I just start laughing. You big idiot. They don't give a shit if you got rheumatoid start. I was so embarrassed, but I just couldn't help myself. I just started laughing. Caught me. Caught me.
Joe Rogan
Well, you're just a genuine guy. There's nothing wrong with that. No, nothing wrong with that.
Terry Bradshaw
No.
Joe Rogan
That's way better.
Terry Bradshaw
I'm not apologizing. Yeah, but sometimes you just want reciprocation. I do have it with.
Joe Rogan
I understand what you're saying. Yeah, but it's way better to be super friendly than the opposite.
Terry Bradshaw
Is your wife super friendly?
Joe Rogan
She's friendly, yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
She's friendly, yeah.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Is she friendly as you?
Joe Rogan
Yeah, she's pretty friendly. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Can you go anywhere in Austin and. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
I mean, you talk to a lot of people. You don't talk to people, but Most people are really nice, so it's not a problem. Yeah, most people are just happy to see you and say, hi, hey, how you doing?
Terry Bradshaw
Shake your hand. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Give you some knuckles.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Take a selfie.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Take a selfie. Yeah, I like selfies. I mean, I don't see what the problem is.
Joe Rogan
There's no problem. There's nothing wrong with that. You're just a friendly guy.
Terry Bradshaw
Guy.
Joe Rogan
And that. But that Dunbar's number is what's going on. Like, that's why you can't remember people. That's really all it is. I mean, you think about. You're Terry Bradshaw. How many people have you met in your life? You probably met a million people. Like, literally a million people.
Terry Bradshaw
But if you were. If you were in bad shape right now, you got people you'd call. You got a handful you could call.
Joe Rogan
Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Really care about you.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but that's how everybody is. Like, a handful of you have a handful that you really care about.
Terry Bradshaw
And you know what, to take care and nurture your friendships that are really close takes effort.
Joe Rogan
It does.
Terry Bradshaw
And if you. 15 or 20, you don't have any time, man. You wear yourself out. I think we all. We start here and we.
Joe Rogan
Yes. Yeah. Well, there's also some people that disappoint you along the way, unfortunately.
Terry Bradshaw
Man. Lobby. Are you kidding?
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
That is. Have you ever, ever. Have you ever just thrown all your trust and love and to your. Your a buddy and then that sucker, 15 or 16, whatever, and just boom.
Joe Rogan
Some of them. Yeah. Whoa. It's been a long time since I've had that happen. But there's some people that just don't make it along the way.
Terry Bradshaw
And then. And then I'm the first one to say I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I. I didn't. I didn't mean that. I'm sorry. And then they don't take your apologies and they bring it up again. I. I'm sorry. Look, I told you I'm sorry. I had no. Then they do it again. Look, yeah, I said I'm sorry and then hang up. That's it.
Joe Rogan
Well, some people just don't want to be happy, and some they don't. And they. They actually enjoy being in conflict because conflict takes them away from thinking about all the things that they need to correct in their life. So they always like to be in some sort of a situation where there's some sort of a dispute or some. Someone wronged them or something's disrespectful. Or something. Yeah, it's just distractions. Most of it is distractions. It's a personality problem.
Terry Bradshaw
This just happened yesterday.
Joe Rogan
Did you.
Terry Bradshaw
I'm not going to mention their name because they're okay. So I tell this person. They had a stallion of mine, a young 2 year old, and they were showing it and did a great job. I brought the horse home. Horse wasn't. Horse wasn't going to be good enough to go to the World show, which is the Super Bowl. But he needed another year of growing training, so I brought him home. Crazy about these people. Been with them years. I mean, the trainer was my first trainer ever and that's been 40 something years ago. Anyway, so I'm over there. They came to church. I got them to come to church. I was singing in church last two weeks ago and they came, I asked them come. I'm singing in church and they said, okay, great. They came to hear me sing. They loved our preacher and they said, we're going to come back. Well, they came back yesterday. All right. They came back. Yes, we have a meet and greet during the service. I got up and went, oh, man, it's great to see you. And not even thinking that they had had this stud for so long and did a great job. I said, guess who came by the house the other day and saw the barn name for the stud is Brad And Saul Bradley fell in love with him and I, I sent him home with him. He's. He's going to show him. Oh, Bob, it wasn't pretty. Got mad, got real in church, got mad, got upset and I just. Cold chills went over him. I went and I got to thinking, what did I do? What did I do? What did I do? And then I got to thinking, I took this horse from them and I gave it to another trainer. And they got this horse looking as good as he could get. They got him going. Now I'm giving it to a competitive trainer and I'm telling them, hey, yeah, he fell in love with him. I said, sure, take him home with you. It hurt them. And it was obvious that they were very. One of them was really upset with me in church. And so preachers up, getting ready to start, and I had to go get back in my seat. And then one of them, I told Tammy, my wife, I said, holy cow, man. I just hurt their feelings. I mean, they are upset with me because I sent this horse with some other trainer. I was like, God, I would have never done that. I would have never done that had I been thinking I wouldn't have said a word about that. Not a word. But since they had had the horse, I figured that it was no big deal. Right? My horse. I do with what I want. Throughout the service, which was a great, great service, I was picking up on what the preacher was saying. I found myself during that service. You ready for this? Praying that God would help me go make things right with them. Because I couldn't stand the fact that I had upset them so much. So when the service was over and they were going, I went and grabbed, said, I am so sorry. I want to apologize. I wasn't thinking. I made a huge mistake. You're my dear friends. I just don't, you know, you're. And I feel like I made it right, but I had to go and, and make that right because it just.
Joe Rogan
But that's great, Terry. That means you're a good guy. That's great.
Terry Bradshaw
I hope so.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. No, you're a great guy. That's a great thing to do because you care. If you didn't care if you were like, ah, screw them, what's wrong?
Terry Bradshaw
My service, that's because I drive a long way to go to church.
Joe Rogan
That's cause you're a good guy. That's because you're a good guy. I really believe that you wanted them to feel better.
Terry Bradshaw
Better.
Joe Rogan
And you know, and I bet you did make it right.
Terry Bradshaw
And I didn't do it on purpose, of course.
Joe Rogan
Of course. But sometimes people don't think, you know, that. I, I mean, some people.
Terry Bradshaw
You ever done that? Have you ever gone to someone and said, hey, I went to a guy and told him a hundred thousand times how sorry I was. And I want you to know he was my best friend at the time and we have not spoken since. That's now. Well, some people are not kind. That's not on me. Me.
Joe Rogan
No, that's on him.
Terry Bradshaw
That's on him.
Joe Rogan
Some people are not charitable and they don't want to forgive people. They like to be wronged. There's people that like to be in conflict with people and generally those people, their life is a mess. That's generally not a balanced person.
Terry Bradshaw
This guy's life's not a mess. But I just. Well, why is it so look, let's say you say something here today and it really upsets me. You're probably going to know it now that we've been getting in your. And you're pro hater. Are you okay with this? And I'm going to tell you, you know. No, I'm not. I'm not okay with that.
Joe Rogan
Well, then I. Well, I would apologize.
Terry Bradshaw
That's what I'm. My point is.
Joe Rogan
And if you said something that pissed me off, I would. I think if you apologize, I'd accept it immediately, too.
Terry Bradshaw
But you've already said I'm a good guy. I'm not going to do that.
Joe Rogan
People don't mean to hurt people's feelings.
Terry Bradshaw
For most part, some do. Some people do.
Joe Rogan
But those people, you generally know that that's that kind of person in the first place. And you probably wouldn't be hanging out with. With them.
Terry Bradshaw
No.
Joe Rogan
But when. When you're close to someone, you love someone, you got to have some forgiveness. You got to realize that people are human and humans.
Terry Bradshaw
For as long as I have been with this one person, I have another.
Joe Rogan
What was the issue?
Terry Bradshaw
Issue was I made fun of him on the golf course. He's. That's it. Yeah. I make fun of everybody on the golf course. You know why? Because I'm. I suck. Yeah. I'm bad, Joe. I'm bad. Now, I love to play and I love to play with my friends and have a simple living little five dollar bet. And it's not much, right? But I love to say, oh, nice shot.
Joe Rogan
You know, it's fun.
Terry Bradshaw
Me, me. I know I'm an.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
You know. You know the bad side of you, right? You know that you're bad. I know mine. I know mine.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
I. My wife calls it Roy.
Joe Rogan
Oh, you have a different guy inside of you.
Terry Bradshaw
What is that movie? True grit, primal fear.
Joe Rogan
Oh, okay.
Terry Bradshaw
Looks at me at the end, you go, had me fooled. You go, holy cow. So I took on the name Roy. So when. When I'm going into a dark character.
Joe Rogan
Yes, Roy.
Terry Bradshaw
Yes, I think it was.
Joe Rogan
Roy was great. Oh, that turn at the end.
Terry Bradshaw
Have you fooled.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, I'm lost 100. I was like, what?
Joe Rogan
I know that movie. I want like, whoa, whoa. That's. That's another very smart guy, Edward Norton. I had him in on the podcast. Oh, yeah. Very interesting guy.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I. I find actors in general,
Joe Rogan
very well, the really good ones.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, they're. They are Cooper. I love McConaughey. I've done a movie. I love.
Joe Rogan
He's great. Great guy, too.
Terry Bradshaw
Who else do.
Joe Rogan
George also very smart.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, very smart. George Foreman. We did a show together called Better Late than Never. Never got to know him in two years. Never got to know him in two years. Really? Never got to know him in two years. How come he totally didn't associate with any of us? We have lunch, he'd sit over here with his son, had dinner. He'd sit over here with his son. It could be. I would only guess that he's shy. He didn't like the fact that we drank. He didn't like the language that was used because he's a preacher. And I asked him one time, I said, george, George, how big's your congregation? He said, 120. I said, really? How long you been doing this? I think he said something, maybe 20 years or something. I said, because I've been taught as a Baptist, as a preacher, your congregation grows. Right, right, right, right. Your congregation grows. And I said, how many? 120. I said, oh, wow, it's small. I said, you build and you're growing. He said, no, 120 is enough.
Joe Rogan
Enough.
Terry Bradshaw
And I went, 120 is enough. I said, so, George, when do you start preparing your sermon? You start on Tuesday, like most preachers. No. Oh, you know. So when do you start preparing for your sermons? Wednesday. No. So when do you start preparing for your sermon? He says, when I stand up to preach, God tells me what to say.
Joe Rogan
Wow.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay. You gonna argue with George Foreman? I'm not, but I look like, all right, brother?
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I'm not arguing.
Terry Bradshaw
But, yeah, he was. I wanted to get to know him. He was friendly, but he was just.
Joe Rogan
He was blocked. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Well, he's also another guy that's been famous for a long time, and he's probably figured out how to block people out. And also, he went through that dark period when he quit fighting for 10 years. And, you know, the losing to Ali, I mean, that was very hard on him.
Terry Bradshaw
You know, he knew better. When he lost the thrill in Manila, he knew better.
Joe Rogan
It was Rumble in the Jungle. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay.
Joe Rogan
Well, yeah, that was.
Terry Bradshaw
They both. They both rhyme.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Right.
Joe Rogan
They definitely rhyme. Well, that was Don King, right?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
He knew how to promote a fight.
Terry Bradshaw
He knew better. He told me that the hit that I took was nothing. But he said, I was so tired.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
And he. And I went, you're kidding. He said, yeah. He said, the hit. The hit was nothing. Nothing. But he went down. He just, thank God I'm down. I can get some air and get some breath.
Joe Rogan
He was definitely exhausted. Oh, that was a strategy.
Terry Bradshaw
He knew what was going on. He. But he thought with his power, he'd break a rib or something, you know? Know.
Joe Rogan
Well, he had so much power.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh.
Joe Rogan
I mean, when he fought Joe Frazier, he lifted him off his feet with a punch. I mean, he was extraordinarily powerful. He. He hit so hard. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
George, how can you be that quick? I mean, that big.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Well, that's his job.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Oh, he was very impressive.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
I mean, that Ali fight was so crazy. That was another fight where Ali is expected to lose. Just like the Sonny Liston. Fight.
Terry Bradshaw
Fight. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
And it was such a upset that Hunter Thompson flew to Africa to cover it and didn't go to the fight. He wound up just drinking and floating around in his pool and blew off the fight because he didn't want to watch Ali get knocked out.
Terry Bradshaw
Really?
Joe Rogan
Because Ali was his hero. And he messed it up because he was supposed to be a journalist for Rolling Stone at the time. So he. They flew him over there to cover that fight.
Terry Bradshaw
You threw out your intelligence on me, throwing me a curveball. Because I'm. I'm going, oh, yeah, Hunter. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Who's Hunter? No idea who that guy was.
Joe Rogan
You don't know who Hunter S. Thompson is?
Terry Bradshaw
Why would I know him?
Joe Rogan
You don't. You never heard of him? The gonzo journalist, Hunter S. Thompson?
Terry Bradshaw
No.
Joe Rogan
Very famous journalist.
Terry Bradshaw
Is he in the Quarter Horse Journal? No. The Angus Weekly? No. No.
Joe Rogan
He's the guy from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Do you know that? You never heard of that book?
Terry Bradshaw
No.
Joe Rogan
The movie that Johnny Depp did, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, where he played Hunter Thompson. He did write that about horses. The Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved. That's one of his best works.
Terry Bradshaw
Really?
Joe Rogan
It's a fantastic. Hey, listen, when I first Hunter Thompson, he was amazing.
Terry Bradshaw
When I first got into the cattle business, my wife, Ex wife and I went to a big cattle sale, such as your. To your point about me saying I don't know who he is now. I just played it off, all right? I didn't want to embarrass myself. But then I got to thinking, I don't know who this guy is. Now, you answered who he was, but I didn't care.
Joe Rogan
I, you know, I get it.
Terry Bradshaw
So I go to this cattle sale, this auctioneer, and I. This auctioneer is out there and he wants to meet me, Terry Bradshaw. So I got my ex wife there, the auctioneer, and a couple of his ring stewards, you know, and we're sitting there talking. So I asked a simple question. So tell me, Mr. Auctioneer, what do you make the most money on in auctioning off stuff? He. Terry, we were really hitting a home run right now with limousines. Limousines. Now, see, my brain. I'm at a cow auction and he's a cow auctioneer.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
He's not supposed to sell cars. Cars. When you think cars. Limousines.
Joe Rogan
That's what I would have thought.
Terry Bradshaw
That's what I'm saying. I was about to say to him, oh, my God, you mean to tell me you sell cars? And my ex wife goes, you mean to tell me that you sell cars? And he goes, oh, sweetie. And I'm like, this is some funny here. Boy, that's hilarious. What a dumbass. And he goes, no, honey, limousine is a breed of cattle.
Joe Rogan
Oh, that's a limousine.
Terry Bradshaw
There's a limousine right there. You know what I like about this show? When you just think you're throwing everybody a curveball, they throw it up on the screen. Jamie, Jamie, you're amazing, man.
Joe Rogan
He's the best.
Terry Bradshaw
Best when he's sober. He is numb, debtor. Serious.
Joe Rogan
When he's sober.
Terry Bradshaw
When he's sober.
Joe Rogan
You should see him when he's drunk. Oh, my God, even better.
Terry Bradshaw
But anyway, I thought, you know, I could. I should write a book about some of this stuff.
Joe Rogan
But you should.
Terry Bradshaw
I should.
Joe Rogan
Why not?
Terry Bradshaw
I don't know. I think I got enough time.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Maybe a documentary. Maybe just sit down with someone and have them tell. Tell all these stories.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. You think? Nobody care about these stories. Sure.
Joe Rogan
They would not. Absolutely. Edit them up. Do a good job with the editing.
Terry Bradshaw
Should I start a podcast?
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
No, I don't.
Joe Rogan
Terry Bradshaw experience.
Terry Bradshaw
No, I don't think so. No. You know. You know what, Joe? Listen, you started this 15 years ago or something?
Joe Rogan
Something like that, yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Do you have any idea it would be like this?
Joe Rogan
No.
Terry Bradshaw
No. So why do I want to do something like this when there's a million podcasts going on?
Joe Rogan
Well, you would only do it if you like doing it.
Terry Bradshaw
I would not like doing it.
Joe Rogan
Well, then don't do it.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't want to. Look, I got enough. I got enough on my plate right now.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, don't do it unless it seems interesting to you.
Terry Bradshaw
And besides that, who's going to come on my show? A lot of people would come on
Joe Rogan
the Terry Bradshaw show.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't think I came on your
Joe Rogan
show when you had a TV show.
Terry Bradshaw
Did you? Yeah. What show was that?
Joe Rogan
You had a TV show? Yeah, Yeah, I was on it.
Terry Bradshaw
I was a guest when I had the Fox show.
Joe Rogan
That whatever that talk show thing you did was get out. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
You were one of my star guests.
Joe Rogan
I was a guest when I was on news radio. That was a sitcom? Yeah. Oh, well, I believe it was news radio. It was a long time Ago.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, I remember.
Joe Rogan
No, you don't. No, you don't.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, no, no. Joe. Yeah. You were great, by the way. I loved you, man. You were great.
Joe Rogan
We talked about limousine cattle.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Joe Rogan
Hunter Thompson.
Terry Bradshaw
What are you doing drinking coffee now?
Joe Rogan
It was a who.
Terry Bradshaw
Smart.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. That was a fun show. I know. I don't remember.
Joe Rogan
You could do something like that if you wanted to. I mean, you could do anything if you wanted to, but you definitely would get guests if you ever wanted to do a podcast.
Terry Bradshaw
I did a radio show once.
Joe Rogan
How was that?
Terry Bradshaw
It was good. It's good, but it was just hard to get people.
Joe Rogan
Really?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
That doesn't make sense to me.
Terry Bradshaw
I will.
Joe Rogan
Where were you doing it?
Terry Bradshaw
Out of la.
Joe Rogan
Oh. So many people in la. How's that hard?
Terry Bradshaw
When I had my daytime show in la, I couldn't get anybody, really. I got Whoopi Goldberg one time. What are you laughing for?
Joe Rogan
How is she? Was she funny?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, she was a blast. Yeah, she was. She's the biggest thing we ever had.
Joe Rogan
Probably fun when she's not on the View.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Well, I don't know.
Joe Rogan
All those hands get together. I watched that show. I'm like, ladies, go outside, hug a ch.
Terry Bradshaw
That. You know who I really. I had? Charlton Heston. Ah, now you're talking.
Joe Rogan
How is he?
Terry Bradshaw
Fabulous.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
I couldn't. The show, I could have done three hours. I was just fascinated with. He was so nice, you know? Is there anything worse, Joe, than thinking you. And that's my understanding, you won't bring people on here that you don't feel comfortable with.
Joe Rogan
No. If I'm not interested in talking to them.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. So I'm very honored to be here today, but can you imagine? Can you imagine. Can you imagine having people on that are just jerks?
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
And. Or interviewing them and it's like, oh, God, where can I go here to get something out of this interview? You know, it's just. God, that's just. But, yeah, but Charlton Heston. I had Garth Brooks, which was fabulous. I gave him the whole. I gave Charlton Heston the whole hour, just me and him. It was kind of like this. He was amazing. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
He was like one of the first big actors that was, like, publicly conservative. Remember?
Terry Bradshaw
He was like. He did the nra. They caught hell for that.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Was he the head of the NRA at one point?
Terry Bradshaw
No, no, no.
Joe Rogan
It was a part of the nra, part of it. I think he did something with the nra. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. But he was. Yeah, he was huge.
Joe Rogan
He famously was like you could have my gun when you pry my cold, dead fingers from it.
Terry Bradshaw
Say, I'm. Yeah, I'm. My brother has. I don't have many guns. I said, what do you do with all those guns, man? You gotta have guns. I said, gary, he's got those, those rifles that shoot 5,000 rounds in 10 seconds. What are those things called?
Joe Rogan
AR15.
Terry Bradshaw
He's got five or six. What do you do with all those? Yeah, you never know when you're gonna need a gun.
Joe Rogan
There's a lot of people like that in this country.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, my God, they are. And I got a, I got a what? I got, I got a bunch of guns, but I gave them all. Everybody gives me guns. I don't shoot guns.
Joe Rogan
You don't shoot guns at all? No, no, no.
Terry Bradshaw
My wife only let me put a gun by the bed. I've been, I've been burglarized six times.
Joe Rogan
Have you really?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I got shot at with a shotgun. This is how I can tell you that when you get shot at with a shotgun, flames come out of the gun. Flames. And I'm running, I'm running in the backyard to get in my car. And this guy goes around the backside. Boom. And flames every. And BBs. And I get in the old GTO. 1970 GTO, yellow and black. Oh, man. Get her done. Yeah, boy, this is nice. And I got in, but I'm used to pushing the button or pull in reverse. You go down, right. Pull it down. I turn around, I hit the brake, I go forward. Riding through the wall, realized you got to go one click. It was not good. Not good. But my wife won't let me keep anything.
Joe Rogan
So where did you get burglarized six times?
Terry Bradshaw
Ruston. Rustin, Louisiana. Mansfield, Louisiana. On my ranches? Yes. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
On your ranches.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
So they came onto the ranch.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
How big was the ranch?
Terry Bradshaw
400 acres at the time.
Joe Rogan
So they had to do some driving to get to the house, and they
Terry Bradshaw
had to go through the gate. The gate? The gate I locked. So how did they get in? And you ever. Let me tell you something. You are laying bed at night and it's 1:00am in the morning, and you feel the presence of somebody else in your house or. Right. And a flashlight is going over your head and going through the wall like this. You, I, I, I can't even begin to tell you. You can't breathe and you don't. And I'm laying down like this, and I'm flattening myself. And back in those days, you're Too young to know this. Remember? Well, the prince's phone. You know what the prince's phone is?
Joe Rogan
Prince's phone.
Terry Bradshaw
You know, everything we've been talking about today. You've been throwing all kind of shit up here and you don't know what a prince's phone. Phone. Do you know, what are you saying?
Joe Rogan
Are you saying prince, Princess. Princess. Princess phone.
Terry Bradshaw
It's a phone. It was one of the first push button phones. You didn't have to. Okay, it's princess. So I took my. Look at you. It doesn't.
Joe Rogan
That's a princess phone.
Terry Bradshaw
There you go. Thank you so much.
Joe Rogan
Did you know what that is, Jamie? No.
Terry Bradshaw
Look, look, I'm. Look, Joe. I'm laying in bed. I take my left hand and I slide it over to my princess phone. I take this receiver off and I take my fingers and I go across the dolls and I dial. And I'm. My uncle who lives 200 yards away. I get the phone, pull up to
Joe Rogan
the microphone so people can hear you.
Terry Bradshaw
I pull up, I pull the phone up. I'm laying back trying so you can't see me or anything. And I said. But I got a burglar. He said, my. He's at my bedroom window. He says, all right, I'm on my way. So I take the phone down and goes. And you can see the guy hears my. Here's my uncle coming. And this guy takes off and he chases him down through the pasture and he loses him out through there. I had another guy go through my house, tearing up my kids.
Joe Rogan
Same place.
Terry Bradshaw
No, different place. Wow. In college, tearing up my. Tearing up my dishes in my kitchen. He was looking through the dishes, he making noise. Only thing I could fear was the guy was trying to run me off. I was living in a Methodist parsonage out on the edge of town. Come to find out, this guy was living in the attic over the office. So the cops found all kind of paraphernalia, cans of food, beer, up in the office. So only thing I could figure is try and run by. But I. He ran me off.
Joe Rogan
Or he might have just been drugged.
Terry Bradshaw
I'm out of there. I don't know what he was. I wanted to find out. But you see, I've come home. I've come home twice and had guys running out of my house, taking off.
Joe Rogan
Same house?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, yeah. Six. Six of these I had. Geez, they've been shot at.
Joe Rogan
So you were running away from these guys.
Terry Bradshaw
What's his name again? I forgot.
Joe Rogan
Jamie. Jamie Young.
Terry Bradshaw
Jamie.
Joe Rogan
Jamie.
Terry Bradshaw
One more time, son. I'M going to ask you what your name is. Okay? All right, one more. I told you three times, Right? Right. All right, I got you down now.
Joe Rogan
So the same place. Why you keep getting broken into this one place?
Terry Bradshaw
I'm not in the middle of nowhere. I'm Terry Bradshaw. They want to come in. They want to steal. Another guy came down. He stole all the. He. He stole all my stuff out of my garage. All the. All the. The chainsaw. He got all the kind of tools and stuff that he could go and sell. Just wipe me out. Out.
Joe Rogan
No security?
Terry Bradshaw
No.
Joe Rogan
No security system. Nothing.
Terry Bradshaw
No. I got dogs now. And now I. I've had. Since Tammy and I. 22 years now. And I got a guard dog, But I won't. I will not leave my wife at home. My wife. My wife and I in 22 years have been apart two days. I will not leave without my wife.
Joe Rogan
What kind of guard dogs get?
Terry Bradshaw
German shepherd. I got him from Wayne Simonovich in South Carolina.
Joe Rogan
Okay, so you got a train.
Terry Bradshaw
I got a badass dog. His name is Legend. Then I bought him. I got a female this year. Her name is. We named her after the Viking character, Freya, the queen. So I'm going to breed those because I'm tired of spending $20,000 for some raise. My guard dog.
Joe Rogan
Nice.
Terry Bradshaw
Nice. And you know what's great about. About them? They're guard dogs. You don't play with them.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
You don't play with. You don't rough them. You don't grab them. You don't tackle them. You know, they do work those. They. They don't mess around.
Joe Rogan
Right?
Terry Bradshaw
They don't mess around. They're serious.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, they're serious.
Terry Bradshaw
They're soldiers. Yeah, exactly.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
You got a dog.
Joe Rogan
Sucks. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
What do you got?
Joe Rogan
I have a golden retriever.
Terry Bradshaw
I love them.
Joe Rogan
They're great. But he ain't garden.
Terry Bradshaw
No, I know. You're probably. Hey, Al, come on in. There's ice cream up there. Y' all open it, we'll share it.
Joe Rogan
He'll let everybody in.
Terry Bradshaw
I've got eight dachshunds.
Joe Rogan
I have another dog that's a King Charles Cavalier. You know what those are? The little tiny dogs. Oh, my God. He's so adorable.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
He jumps in the pool and he. He's just started. He's a year old, and he started swimming over the last couple months. And he gets so excited that he whines like, you. You. You think he's in pain or something?
Terry Bradshaw
He's talking. He's talking. He's talking to you.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, and he just can't wait to jump in the water.
Terry Bradshaw
Water? Really?
Joe Rogan
Oh, he loves it.
Terry Bradshaw
Two of my dachshunds talk constantly.
Joe Rogan
Oh, really?
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, and. Oh, and this morning, I'm a little tired today because for some reason these two, these two, they sleep with me every night. Their names are Sadie Lynn and baby girl, one's a black miniature docs, and the other one is a Australian shepherd, looking black and tan, you know, spotty. And oh, they are precious. But baby girl likes to get on my chest when she's got to go outside. She gets on my chest, puts her chin right under my mouth and I wake up and I know exactly what's. And I sit there and I go, what time is it? And I'll go over and I'll get the TV control and I'll shake it so the light will come on. Oh my God, it's 11 o'. Clock. You gotta be kidding me. So I'll take them outside and they'll go potty. This is good. Once normally, a lot of times, never. But once, max, last night, three times.
Joe Rogan
Three times?
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, yeah. 1:30. 1:30. Oh, what, you gotta pee again? You gotta be kidding me. So I slide to the right, down off the bed. These two come, we go outside. I'm so sleepy. I sit on the steps and put my head against the porch pole and I'm like this. Their heads are in the doorway and they're looking at me like, what are we doing? I'm like, you gotta pee, right? No, no, not really. You know, it's. So I go back at 3:30. Here I go again. And they went to the bathroom. But this is, you know, so sometimes
Joe Rogan
they just want to wake you up.
Terry Bradshaw
They just. Yeah, I mean, look, I'm a dog lover, okay?
Joe Rogan
Me too.
Terry Bradshaw
I. I got not 10. 10 dogs now.
Joe Rogan
Do you really?
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, yeah.
Joe Rogan
I got also 10 dogs and two serious guard dogs.
Terry Bradshaw
Two badass dog.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
So those the ones. Our dog is badass. The other one's gonna be badass. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
And you know what?
Terry Bradshaw
When you live where I live, out where I live, I don't know where you live, but I. What are you doing? What is that?
Joe Rogan
This is ultra. It's nootropic. Do you know what that is? It's like essentially brain vitamins. Vitamins.
Terry Bradshaw
How come you don't swallow it?
Joe Rogan
Because it's a pouch, like a nicotine pouch. Same kind of thing.
Terry Bradshaw
Like you got a smoking addiction. Yeah, but it's not a nicotine addiction. Is that what you're saying? What is it?
Joe Rogan
You said nicotine nootropics.
Terry Bradshaw
Is that one of those things that.
Joe Rogan
It's like brain vitamins?
Terry Bradshaw
Is it like ivermectin?
Joe Rogan
No, it's like nutrients. Brain nutrients.
Terry Bradshaw
Sorry, it sucks. I couldn't help myself.
Joe Rogan
Listen, we're not friends anymore.
Terry Bradshaw
Yes, we are.
Joe Rogan
I'm upset.
Terry Bradshaw
Going again.
Joe Rogan
Isn't that hilarious, though, that you could make fun of a guy playing golf and he doesn't want to be your friend forever because of that?
Terry Bradshaw
I was shocked.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, you got off.
Terry Bradshaw
And I had another friend.
Joe Rogan
You got off light. Yeah, that's a sensitive.
Terry Bradshaw
Another friend I spent four days a week with because I was like. I said, I'm playing golf and didn't have a job. Job. We hung out. His wife and I went to dinner all the time, cooked out all the time. And then one. One day I said, hey, just recently passed away, so. Hey, man, I got us a tea. Time for more at 1:30. Call me back. Nothing. Hey. Nothing. Two days, three days, four days, five days a week, two weeks, a month. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Never heard of. Never heard from him again.
Joe Rogan
What happened?
Terry Bradshaw
His wife didn't like me.
Joe Rogan
Whoa.
Terry Bradshaw
That's what I found out.
Joe Rogan
His wife didn't like you?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. What's not to like? I'm a nice guy.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. I don't understand that at all.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. I think she's just jealous of our relationship.
Joe Rogan
Oh, there's those kind of relationships. Guys and gals will do that. Will they separate you from your friends? That's a real problem. Well, that's a giant red flag right there. That's not good. A person who doesn't want you having good friends. That's crazy.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, I know. It's.
Joe Rogan
That's crazy.
Terry Bradshaw
You know, I'm the luckiest guy in the world because I work for a network with four, sometimes five guys. And if you can put five big egos together and have everybody love and care about one another, I'm gonna tell you, that's special. Special.
Joe Rogan
That is special.
Terry Bradshaw
That Fox show is so special. It is. You've seen the show, I assume? And we're just like. Just like a locker room.
Joe Rogan
Well, that's how we supposed to be.
Terry Bradshaw
So much fun.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And that's what people like watching.
Terry Bradshaw
I think so. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
People want to watch people that actually are friends.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. And we have giant fun. We had this one. I mean, you. You learn where you can go with your friends.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
All right. You know, you learn. Don't go here, don't go there. Which is fine. You won't. You want to make sure. That. Because we're on live television, so you want to. You don't ever want to embarrass anybody on live television. So you learn where to go and you build that trust and then that trust, because you have the trust, you become. You bond. You become. Hey, how you doing? Hey, man. I was this week. How's your daughter? It's great. Hey, how's your wife? Great. I mean, it's just. You just get everybody hugs, everybody. Hey, how was your week? I mean, it's. I can't even get the day that that show is over for me. And I hope I die on set, which is. I've always said if I could just die on set. Think about it, Joe. Think about it. If I die on set. Seriously, if I could just get a couple of words out before I go. I don't want to.
Joe Rogan
Just one last good line.
Terry Bradshaw
I really do think Dallas is going to win the super bowl if I could just get something out.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
You know, forever immortal. Right.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
Great. Yeah. So I said that that's what. And that's the way I feel. I. It's. I assume that's the way you do this show. You can't wait to do. You should. This is awesome. To get down and sit down with people from different walks of life, basically.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Politicians don't agree with you. Religious people, whatever. And you just sit there and you build this. You know, you get to know these people, you ask all these questions. Or in my case, I'm. I'm just jumping around here. That's what I. Yeah, well, he hadn't asked me about this.
Joe Rogan
I like.
Terry Bradshaw
Is it Simon? Jamie, Jamie. I told you. Jamie, just. That's it. No, I got it.
Joe Rogan
Oh, no, I got young Jamie.
Terry Bradshaw
No, young.
Joe Rogan
Think of like Van Halen. Jamie. Jamie's crying. Jamie's crying. Remember that song?
Terry Bradshaw
Look, I got it here.
Joe Rogan
Jamie, Jamie. Young Jamie.
Terry Bradshaw
Jamie. You married? Nope. Attaboy.
Joe Rogan
Free man, free ladies.
Terry Bradshaw
How old are you, Jamie? Old enough. What do you say?
Joe Rogan
Old enough.
Terry Bradshaw
What's that? What's old enough?
Joe Rogan
Old enough to know.
Terry Bradshaw
So how old are you, Jamie?
Joe Rogan
43.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay. Got a girl, girl? Not right now, okay?
Joe Rogan
He's free right now, ladies.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay.
Joe Rogan
Young Jamie's on the prowl.
Terry Bradshaw
Jamie. You on the prowl? Sure. All right. Where's your. There's a lot of good looking women in Austin, Texas, James.
Joe Rogan
There is. It's a good, good place.
Terry Bradshaw
You need some help for you, bub?
Joe Rogan
Ah, let's go out tonight.
Terry Bradshaw
I guess we need to move on, right?
Joe Rogan
Yeah, let's Move on.
Terry Bradshaw
But anyway, I'm so in talking about that show. It just.
Joe Rogan
Well, having a show like that, where a bunch of people are really actually friends is so huge for the viewer.
Terry Bradshaw
It is. You want to listen. Do you want to turn on this show? Like, pregame. Come on. Pregame shows. I watch them and I go, oh, God.
Joe Rogan
Especially if.
Terry Bradshaw
It's. You ever done this? Shut up.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
Shut up. Announcers. Guys doing the game. Shut up.
Joe Rogan
Right. Or when they're just sports guys that really aren't actually passionate about football.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
And you hear them talking. You're like, you know what they're talking about?
Terry Bradshaw
Stats. They get it all right here.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
You know, and let me tell you something.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
I hate stats. I hate them.
Joe Rogan
They're okay occasionally if they shouldn't be.
Terry Bradshaw
Real point.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
But if all you got is on third quarter when the wind's blowing out of the southwest, if it makes a point in a big. But otherwise.
Joe Rogan
Right, right, right.
Terry Bradshaw
I remember once. Well, anyway, I was talking about all the guys, and I love telling this story on Howie. Howie is my best friend on the show, without question. I mean, we are so different. He went to Villanova. I went to an engineering school at Louisiana Tech. I got a college degree. Howie, I'm sorry. He didn't graduate. I'm sorry, Howie. Don't hate me for his big ass. What are you telling everybody I didn't grab. Hey, I love you. I shouldn't have said Joe. I didn't say that. Anyway, so we're doing this show, and we had Jimmy Johnson on the show. Jimmy's great. Oh, Jimmy was awesome. So Jimmy's telling this story, all right. And Jimmy's Jimmy tell it's a funny story. And we. Jimmy starts laughing. We all start laughing. Straight hand, we're belly aching. That's funny. That's funny. Jimmy, Michael Strahan's next director. We got it all worked out. It goes, Jimmy, Michael, Terry, Howie, Jimmy Howe. Yeah, Howie. So Michael Strahan, he adds to that story, and it's even funnier. Oh, my God. Stop. Stop right now. Now it's my turn. Now I've got it. I gotta. I gotta. You're a comedian, you know, you gotta. You gotta match it at least, right? Or do it one better. I'm adding to what Michael said, to what Jimmy said. And we're rolling. Oh, God. Stop. Oh, this is. This is killing me. Oh, Howie's turn. Howie looks at the camera. The outside linebacker for Seattle, Bucky Buchalter, sprained his ankle in pregame warmup. He won't be starting today for the Seahawks. Jasper Julian will be in his place out of Kansas State. And then. And we go to commercial break, and I'm like, three. Ha, ha, ha. One. So I'm looking at Howie and I'm staring at Howie. I'm just like this. He's turning. He feels me. He turns around and says, what? I said, you can't help it, can you? Help what? You know what I'm talking about. About. No, I don't. What are you talking about? And I said, you're boring. I wouldn't have said it if I didn't know I could get away with it.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
And for the rest of the show, he was hilarious because he said, well, you know, being boring, let me say. And it was funny. But, yeah, it was. You can't do that unless there's trust.
Joe Rogan
Right, right, right.
Terry Bradshaw
And Strahan, we made. The first day Strahan was on the show, we gave him half a cake. He said, why am I getting half a cake? Well, he just got divorced, so you lost the other half to her, so that's hilarious.
Joe Rogan
Well, if you can't joke around with people, that's no fun.
Terry Bradshaw
No.
Joe Rogan
That's not a good relationship.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, you better know. You better know who you're joking around with.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, but it's like, you can't. If you can't joke around with someone, like, what's the point? That's what people do. It's part of fun in life. You should be able to take a joke, you should be able to give a joke. Should be able to have fun with each other.
Terry Bradshaw
Just gotta know when. You just gotta know when.
Joe Rogan
Sure.
Terry Bradshaw
I mean, friends know when.
Joe Rogan
Sure.
Terry Bradshaw
I mean, I, you know, I talk to Howie all the time. All the time. And his son Kyle just got signed with CBS for their Today show, which is.
Joe Rogan
Oh, that's awesome.
Terry Bradshaw
Great. Great for him. And he's good.
Joe Rogan
Howie did movies for a while. Right.
Terry Bradshaw
Howie was voted the up and coming star. And he had these three young kids, and he says, I don't want to raise my kids in la. Where's the best place I can raise my kids? And they found the school system. Charlottesville, Virginia. He moved to Virginia and took his kid there and quit doing good for him. Yeah, that's having your priorities together.
Joe Rogan
I remember reading something about him talking about it, like, his experience with movies, like, he didn't like it. Well, he didn't like Hollywood. He didn't like the whole thing. And he.
Terry Bradshaw
He could have been.
Joe Rogan
Didn't someone hit on him too.
Terry Bradshaw
Hit on him?
Joe Rogan
I think some guys hit on him.
Terry Bradshaw
A guy hit him.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Is that. He did find out if that's true.
Terry Bradshaw
I don't know if I'd find that out.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, maybe. Don't look that up. Forget it. Don't look that up.
Terry Bradshaw
But the point being, Simon, I might mean Jamie. Jamie. That's your new day, bro.
Joe Rogan
I don't think.
Terry Bradshaw
Jamie, don't look that up because.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Don't look it up. I think I might have made that up or somebody might have told me. It might not be true. But the point is, like, he could have been. He did a bunch of big movies.
Terry Bradshaw
Yes.
Joe Rogan
And he was on his way to being a big action star.
Terry Bradshaw
He was action star?
Joe Rogan
Yeah, sure. I mean, of course. Giant guy.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah. Handsome, good looking guy. Great body.
Joe Rogan
Perfect for an action star.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
And then just. I like it when a guy realizes, like, this is, you know, life.
Terry Bradshaw
I didn't want to raise my kids in there.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. Also it's just like you don't want, you know, it's what, what you think that life is. It's not.
Terry Bradshaw
Not.
Joe Rogan
Listen, it's also 16 hours.
Terry Bradshaw
I've done five movies and you've done I don't know how many. And look, I don't want to sit around.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
All day long and go in and deliver one line.
Joe Rogan
Exactly.
Terry Bradshaw
And here's the other thing. I'm not ever going to be a leading man. I'm always going to be Terry Bradshaw.
Joe Rogan
Right, right.
Terry Bradshaw
And that just sucks. Seriously, you always want to be Joe Rogan. No, no, no, no. You would like to be given an opportunity to really act?
Joe Rogan
Well, if I actually wanted to act, yes.
Terry Bradshaw
Well, yeah.
Joe Rogan
But, but I mean, some people, they just don't like to do it. And I think with, I think with Howie, it was probably one of those things where they probably offered him a bunch of money. It looks good on paper. And then you start actually doing it and you realize, like, you're going to be away for five months filming this.
Terry Bradshaw
He was away all year, one year doing the Firestorm and he was filming in Vancouver. He was flying in on Saturday from Vancouver and leaving on a red eye to Vancouver and filming all week. And I think breaks you down. Three little kids.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. It breaks you down. It's not good for you. You don't like it. It doesn't feel good.
Terry Bradshaw
And I applaud him for that. And he's not only is he a great husband, great dad, he's a great grandfather. I'm a terrible grandfather. You got grandkids no.
Joe Rogan
Why are you terrible?
Terry Bradshaw
You know, I just. I'm gone all the time, and it's kind of like getting that job. Yeah, I gotta have a job. I gotta go with your suit on
Joe Rogan
if you have to travel. You were saying that you give corporate speeches. What do you do? Like, what are those about speeches? Like what. What do you speak about?
Terry Bradshaw
Well, I'm talking to a bank Wednesday morning. So I'm preparing a bank speech.
Joe Rogan
And what do you say to. Like, what do you say to a bank? To a bunch of bankers?
Terry Bradshaw
I know what I know.
Joe Rogan
Is it about leadership?
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, some of it's about leadership. It's about. It's basically all the things that I know, Joe. Have to do with ambition, dreams, drives, goals, failure, overcoming failure, how to deal with failure, how to rise, how to deal with success, how to treat people. So it's a little bit of motivational, a little bit of psychology like you used earlier with me once.
Joe Rogan
I use psychology with you?
Terry Bradshaw
You know. You know when you did it. You know. Right. Hey, Bernie. Bernie. He knows.
Joe Rogan
And so you do different ones for different kind of operations.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
So it's like kind of like a team building thing. They get together and you.
Terry Bradshaw
Depends on what they want.
Joe Rogan
Interesting. When did you start doing that?
Terry Bradshaw
I've been doing it 43 years. Really?
Joe Rogan
Wow.
Terry Bradshaw
I know. It's amazing.
Joe Rogan
That's crazy. And how did you get into that?
Terry Bradshaw
I gave a speech in Destin, Florida, for Frito Lay. And it was taped. And they paid me $5,000. And I was doing speeches for 1200, $850. And they offered me 5,000 docs. 5,000 bucks? Are you kidding me? I'll go down there. And it's for Frito Lay. So I build this speech up and da, da, da, da, da. And they go, give this speech. And the speech is really good. And they taped it, and they sent me a VHS copy. And my. My then wife put it on one day and thought, oh, my God, this is really good. And it's funny. And so. So she found out where. Where the bureaus were who booked speakers. There were 10 really good ones. And she sent this tape and a bio to 10 different speaking associations. All right? We got that through Fran Tarkin's company in Atlanta, Georgia. They're the ones that turned us on to. So I come in, she says, I sent this off. I'm getting calls now for speeches. I'm like, what? Yeah. She says, we got. You want to do this? You want to do that? And all of them are for 5,000. 5,000 are you shitting me? Five. I'm getting five grand. Five grand. I'm like, oh, my God. Five grand? Really? I'm like, amazing. So I started doing these speeches for all these different bureaus for five grand.
Joe Rogan
Wow.
Terry Bradshaw
So I go to Hawaii on vacation, and I'm in Hawaii, and a company called Washington Speakers Bureau, wsb, they speak nothing. They book political speakers. And they had Joe Theisman and Jim Valvano and maybe Lou Holtz. That the three guys they had. So they call it the rainy day file. And they got a big box where they get all the, you know, people send them to them all the time. Hey, Joe, will you. We don't come on your show. Okay, put it over there. Put it over there. Put it. And eventually you go through. Oh, we ought to have them on. Right? That's kind of how it went. So one day they're looking at these tapes and they're going, nope, spitting. Spitting it. Then you get. They came across Terry Bradshaw. Hey, hey, I. I hear this guy's pretty good. Really? We'll put it on. They put it on. They went, we want to sign him. So I'm in Hawaii, I get a phone call in the morning. Hello, this is Bernie Swain with Washington Speakers Bureau. I'm here with Harry Rhodes. We just looked at your tape. We think you got great possibilities. We'd love to represent you exclusively. Da da, da, da, da. Please call us back. I thought, what? So, you know, it's Hawaii. It's what, seven in the morning? So it's what? It's one o' clock their time. So I call them, and they said, look, we think you got great possibility. And we think he can. We can book you and book you a lot. And I said, well, I'm being booked by 10 people right now. Why wouldn't I want to go one? One person? Well, we're going to guarantee you 50 speeches at $7,500 a speech. Excuse me, did you say $7,500? I'm like, holy cow. So they said, we'll fly you from Hawaii to Washington, D.C. and we'd like to sit down with you and go over a proposal. So I did. They did. And I did. We sat down, fell in love with these guys. They were awesome. Gave me a proposal, 50 speeches, 7,500. Add that up. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Chunk of dough. So I signed. I'm with them exclusively now. And they said, we'll have you at 10,000 in six months. 10,000. 10. You're going to book me for 10 grand? Are you kidding me? That ain't, that's crazy. Sure enough.
Joe Rogan
So that's how you got into speeches.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
So when you do speeches, like, say like a tie, like a tire company called whatever it is, do you write it out for that?
Terry Bradshaw
Never. I never write it. I do not write a word I cannot write. I write here.
Joe Rogan
So how do you plan out a speech?
Terry Bradshaw
I write here.
Joe Rogan
You just sit around and think about what you're going to say.
Terry Bradshaw
Exactly. And over time, what speakers do. Because I asked Jay Leno this one time, why are you doing all you're doing 100 stand ups? And he says, well, I'll take a theme for this year and I do it all. I don't change anything under the name where I'm going. And so I'm like, oh, so I don't have to change all of this every time. And I learned that from Jay Leno. Takes the same thing and then put tire company in there and build it around that. And you know what else I started doing? I started reading a lot. Psychology, salesmanship, leadership. You know one of the guys that came to hear me speak here in Austin, McRaven, Admiral McRaven. Have you had him on yet?
Joe Rogan
No.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, my God. The guy that gives the ten points of success?
Joe Rogan
Yeah, he was the head of speeches Texas.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, amazing. Fat. The Osama bin Laden. He. That's his, that's his raid. The whole thing was him. He designed that whole raid. Amazing human being. He's right here in your backyard. You haven't had him. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Joe.
Joe Rogan
There's only so many days in a week you could do shows, you know, can't have everybody on.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay. Miss, do you, do you do a show every day?
Joe Rogan
Four days a week.
Terry Bradshaw
Okay, what's the day off?
Joe Rogan
Usually Friday. But it shifts. Yeah, it shifts depending on what I got going on.
Terry Bradshaw
But, you know, so I, I, I build a show according to what they're doing. And through all my reading and I'm naturally, I think I'm gifted enough humor wise that I have incorporated a ton of humor and I mix the humor in and I'm, and I incorporate the
Joe Rogan
audience and so did you start doing all this reading just to make your speeches better?
Terry Bradshaw
I wanted to get smarter. I wanted to get smarter. I wanted to be, yeah, I wanted to be a little bit up on things. You know, I took psychology and marketing and all that in college. But I, I thought, hey, if I'm gonna make a career out of this, get all the, gather all the knowledge you can gather. Yeah. And so that's what I did. That's very smart. I started reading all these self help books and, and you know what, when you do read all that, you find out it's pretty basic. There is a common, common, there's a common, there's a foundation, a common denominator that all of them have. And I don't steal, I don't steal material, but I do still. I do program my speeches. I've gone on stage and forgot the name of the company. Did that once. I did that once. I went on stage in Vegas for a huge 5,000 people and I went out there and I'm, you know, I've got a style about me. It's a freelance, it's, hey, you know, I work the crowd, I get to know them. I'm having a good time, feeling good. And I haven't even started my speech. In the meeting plan of the guy that. Let's give it up. Give it up. Terry Bradshaw. Terry. Thank you, Terry. Thank you so much. Terry Bradshaw. They escort me off I 10 minutes. 10 minutes. So there's three, there's.
Joe Rogan
What happened? Why'd they escort you off?
Terry Bradshaw
He, he thought I didn't, he thought I didn't know what I was doing, I guess, but that he obviously didn't look at my tapes and. But I was just, I was just having fun with the crowd before I, you know, I work my way. Sometimes I, sometimes I'll go right into it.
Joe Rogan
Uh huh.
Terry Bradshaw
Sometimes I won't. Sometimes I'll. Hey, hey. You know, I mess with them.
Joe Rogan
Them. Right.
Terry Bradshaw
I'm just having fun. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
He out of there. Wow. Oh, and very.
Joe Rogan
What kind of company was that?
Terry Bradshaw
Someone that could afford to pay me and not have me give a speech? Yeah. Bad.
Joe Rogan
Well, some people are very impatient, you know.
Terry Bradshaw
Bad. It was bad. And I asked my wife in the car going to the airport, you know, when you what's wrong? And I said what'd I do something wrong? She said, you did nothing wrong. This guy just doesn't know your style.
Joe Rogan
So they just hired you based on name alone and didn't know what they were getting.
Terry Bradshaw
Excuse me. I would imagine that I would think name alone has a lot to do with all my 100.
Joe Rogan
But that's what I was gonna say.
Terry Bradshaw
And if you went for Super Bowls, you know, pressure, you know, up and down, you know how to deal with. You get in a huddle. How do you manage a huddle? How do you do this? How do you call plays And I make fun of all these guys that have placards on their forearm, number four, look, number four. Where I had to go. Second and eight. Okay, look, second and eight. Here. We did here. Let's go, let's go. And I got. No, no, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. No, no, I don't want to run that. Let's go this. And I totally ran the. I totally ran the huddle, the whole thing. What do y' all say? Can we do that? No, we can't. What do you want to do that? I ran the huddle. I was. Was smart enough as the chairman of the board in the huddle to say, I don't have all the answers. I thought I did. We're not doing very well here. I want to try this play. But what do y' all think? And I got input. Oh, is there anything better than input? Is there anything better than the people that are doing as a. As a sales team and you got a sales manager. And sales teams come back and said, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is not a good. This isn't working. They don't like this data. And you change it. Smart people make adjustments in the middle of chaos.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
Competition. And that's how, that's how I ran. I ran the.
Joe Rogan
The huddle.
Terry Bradshaw
The huddle. And speaking. Speaking is I know where I'm going when I walk on stage. And once I get on stage, I can tell within five minutes I'm gonna change my direction. And I can't. I've been doing it 40 something years. I got, you know, eight hours of material. Not to mention all the new material I'm getting every week so I can change it. And I've gotta tell you, you're a stand up comedian. Is there anything better than getting on stage and deliver a performance? And they are just laughing at everything, just rolling, just rolling, just rolling. And you walk off and they're screaming, joe, Joe, Joe. And you're like, God, man, I nailed it tonight. And then you walk off or going out and go, hey, did you hear this? Did the other day? What about that? And everything falls flat. And when you leave and you go off stage and you're. Are you not miserable? Miserable, Miserable. Sure you don't want to be miserable?
Joe Rogan
No.
Terry Bradshaw
You did everything you could to make them enjoyable. I'm entertaining them. I want this to be a great experience for them. And when you fail, it's devastating. Devastating.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what they pay you?
Terry Bradshaw
What do you think they pay you to be?
Joe Rogan
They pay you to be entertaining.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Poor Jamie.
Terry Bradshaw
Poor Oh, Jamie. Sorry, Jay. I'm sorry, man.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that it's a completely different thing, but having a guy like you go and talk to a corporation, it's got to be very fun for them, you know, because, you know, you're a guy who's won the Super Bowl.
Terry Bradshaw
You guys like my speeches? My speeches are. Do you know who Joel Hosteen is?
Joe Rogan
I know the name.
Terry Bradshaw
He said he's the preacher and.
Joe Rogan
Joel Olston.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, what did I say? Holstein. Like the cow. Olsteen. You're right. Olson Olsteen. Right. Go to church. He doesn't know it's Olsteen.
Joe Rogan
Yeah, that guy.
Terry Bradshaw
He's a.
Joe Rogan
He does the giant stadium preacher. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
God, look at the mountain. You see the mountain?
Joe Rogan
Look at my Rolls Royce.
Terry Bradshaw
One of those good guys, you know? It's a good guy. And people need that in their life. I like to say there's another mountain out there. But if you continue down the path you're going, and I want. I want. I want my hand spanked, you know, I don't need it spanked. I know it should be spanked, but I want him to spank me. That's fine with me speaking. When I go out to speak, I'm a feel good. I want. I'm a feel good guy, you know, Unless they say to me, here's where we're struggling, and we need you to add this and this also.
Joe Rogan
Sometimes they'll give you a direction.
Terry Bradshaw
They always give you a direction.
Joe Rogan
Okay, so they have, like, a purpose for you.
Terry Bradshaw
Always know where you're going. You always know what your audience is. Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Well, it sounds like you really enjoy it, but that's. So Is that what you're doing when you're doing 250 dates a year? You're doing a lot of those.
Terry Bradshaw
Oh, I do. Yeah, a lot. Tuesday, Wednesday of this week, then I'll get off. I do 30 a year, which is plenty.
Joe Rogan
That's a lot.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
That's a lot when you're getting 5 million in a speech. I mean, you gotta think about it. What do you think, Buck? Oh, Buck's over there. He's like, I'd be so glad when this boy's off.
Joe Rogan
He likes you. Terry, thank you very much for being here, man. This was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. It's great to talk to you.
Terry Bradshaw
Me, too.
Joe Rogan
I'm. Thank you.
Terry Bradshaw
Thanks, Joe. Been watching you enjoy. You're smart.
Joe Rogan
Thank you.
Terry Bradshaw
You're insightful. You do your homework. I helped you today, though.
Joe Rogan
You did you helped me a lot. Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
Doing what you do is not easy.
Joe Rogan
I found out about limousine cattle.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Taught me some things.
Terry Bradshaw
I know. I know you know how to fix a prolapsed uterus.
Joe Rogan
What's that?
Terry Bradshaw
Show him, Jamie.
Joe Rogan
So tell everybody how they buy this whiskey. Is it everywhere? Can you get.
Terry Bradshaw
Is there a website right now? You can go Terry Bradshaw, bourbon dot com. You'll find out where we are in Texas.
Joe Rogan
Terry Bradshaw, bourbon dot com. There it is. Look at that. There it is.
Terry Bradshaw
Is. That's not a good picture. I should have had. Oh, look at the cigar, Joe.
Joe Rogan
Solid picture.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Cigar.
Terry Bradshaw
That's an old man. You're 58.
Joe Rogan
Yeah. And look at that. You got a serious whiskey sifter there. What are those things called? Snifter.
Terry Bradshaw
Those are good.
Joe Rogan
That's like.
Terry Bradshaw
If you're a serious taste, you know is the. The thing about now people think, boy, he's making a kill on. Off that whisk. I'm not. I might make $6,000 this year. 6. But we're building the. We're building it. It's slow. Whiskey is. Bourbon is slow, man.
Joe Rogan
It's has to age.
Terry Bradshaw
You go down. You go down that aisle. 5,000. And we've won all these awards all. We beat them all.
Joe Rogan
That's awesome.
Terry Bradshaw
Beat them all.
Joe Rogan
Congratulations.
Terry Bradshaw
Thank you. I'm so proud of that. And the thing about the juice is mine. I created this juice.
Joe Rogan
It has to be something that you love doing. That's not something you can.
Terry Bradshaw
You know what? It could be any other product. I think it's just the fact that I get to go out and sell it. I like.
Joe Rogan
Well, it's an aged product. It's a different. Like if you were selling vodka or tequila, something you could just make real quick.
Terry Bradshaw
Now, this is.
Joe Rogan
It's a different thing. Aged whiskey is a very different thing.
Terry Bradshaw
It took me a year and a half to get the blend right. The blend, the juice. Took me a year and a half before I agreed to put it in a bottle. Then when I put it in a bottle, I wanted. This is old Gunsmoke. Sit it on the counter. I wanted a gun smoke bottle. And this is the original label. And that's gunpowder. Gunpowder gray. And the super bowl stuff is put on there by, you know, the bottling company, which I didn't really. That wasn't part of it. Joe, you ever got to a point in your life when you go, can I not sell something that's really good without having to be me?
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
I mean, well, it would have been like that if it hadn't been you, Terry.
Joe Rogan
Right.
Terry Bradshaw
Can it. Can it not be just because it's good?
Joe Rogan
You certainly could do that.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah.
Joe Rogan
Yeah.
Terry Bradshaw
My stud horses. I have the best stud horses in America, you know. Best. And they're breeding world champions. And I'm so proud of that. The business is good, you know, but I don't have to sell them. They're selling. We have offspring, but this is Bradshaw.
Joe Rogan
Whiskey. This is.
Terry Bradshaw
This. I wouldn't want my dad to see it, but there it is.
Joe Rogan
There it is.
Terry Bradshaw
There it is.
Joe Rogan
All right.
Terry Bradshaw
But thank you.
Joe Rogan
Thank you.
Terry Bradshaw
Thank you so much. I've been a huge fan for many years.
Joe Rogan
And me. And me.
Terry Bradshaw
And thanks. We didn't get into politics, which I'm very thankful for.
Joe Rogan
I'm glad, too.
Terry Bradshaw
Yeah, me, too. I bet you are. I know I am.
Joe Rogan
Enough, enough. Enough of that in this world. Thank you, Terry. That was fun. All right, bye, everybody. Sa.
Guest: Terry Bradshaw
Date: June 9, 2026
In this candid and humorous episode, NFL legend and broadcaster Terry Bradshaw joins Joe Rogan for a lively, wide-ranging conversation. Together, they dive into stories about fishing superstitions, bourbon-making, the culture of football old and new, hunting and cooking (mis)adventures, performance-enhancing drugs in sports, fame, friendship, health, and the art of public speaking. Bradshaw's southern charm and unfiltered honesty, paired with Rogan’s curiosity, make for an engaging and insightful interview.
Fishing lore:
“I carry a big baby Jesus with me [...] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 6 giant rainbow in a row.”
— Terry Bradshaw, 02:21
Old-school NFL mentality:
“Back then. They shoot you up, you know, you’re gonna play. That's how it was.”
— Terry Bradshaw, 52:08
Steroid era baseball:
“They should have looked away. They should have turned their head away. Boy, I tell you, I don't see nothing. They should have. Everybody should have shut the fuck up and let these guys take steroids. Let's go. Do you like home runs or not?”
— Joe Rogan, 61:29
Friendship angst:
“Why am I the one starting this relationship? ... I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them, and that's not always the case.”
— Terry Bradshaw, 94:48
On adapting speeches:
“I write here. [...] I started reading a lot. Psychology, salesmanship, leadership. ... Gather all the knowledge you can gather.”
— Terry Bradshaw, 146:57–148:57
Concussion protocol then vs. now:
“I guess I came to in the fourth quarter. I went back in, played pretty good, too.”
— Terry Bradshaw, 83:15
Team trust in TV:
“You can't do that unless there's trust. ... If you can put five big egos together and have everybody love and care about one another, I'm gonna tell you, that's special.”
— Terry Bradshaw, 130:16 / 137:26
This episode is a treasure trove for fans of football, storytelling, and old-school Americana. Bradshaw’s honesty about his vulnerabilities, changing times, and the meaning of real brotherhood—on the field and off—stands out. The tales of botched duck dinners, superstitious fishing, and unscripted friendship add humanity and warmth.
If you missed the episode, you'll walk away knowing:
For more: terrybradshawbourbon.com
(Fan of unlikely animal partnerships? This episode’s for you.)