#2511 - Terry Bradshaw

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2511 – Terry Bradshaw

Guest: Terry Bradshaw
Date: June 9, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this candid and humorous episode, NFL legend and broadcaster Terry Bradshaw joins Joe Rogan for a lively, wide-ranging conversation. Together, they dive into stories about fishing superstitions, bourbon-making, the culture of football old and new, hunting and cooking (mis)adventures, performance-enhancing drugs in sports, fame, friendship, health, and the art of public speaking. Bradshaw's southern charm and unfiltered honesty, paired with Rogan’s curiosity, make for an engaging and insightful interview.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fishing, Superstitions, and Baby Jesus

• Terry Bradshaw recounts his unique tradition of bringing a figurine of "Baby Jesus" on fishing trips, claiming it brings luck:
  • "[...] I had this baby Jesus. I said, oh, my son in law is in the back. I set him on the igloo [...] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 6 giant rainbow in a row." (Terry Bradshaw, 02:21)
• Joe jokes about not overusing divine intervention for trivial things like fishing.
  • “I don't think that's something you should use every day. You don't want to ask Jesus every day to help you catch fish.” (Joe Rogan, 03:49)

2. Bourbon, Business, and Family Legacy

• Terry discusses his Bradshaw Bourbon line, detailing the process, aging, and different batches.
• He explains how his father was against the alcohol business due to family history, leading to a pause and eventual decision to move forward after his father passed.
  • “[...] My father's father was an alcoholic. And I went to my dad prior to him passing. [...] And he says, absolutely not. And I said, okay. So I shut her down.” (Terry Bradshaw, 12:11)
• Joe reveals his own history of quitting and resuming drinking for health reasons.

3. From Football to Branding to Motivational Speaking

• Bradshaw shares his search for purpose after football:
  • Stories about feeling guilty for not having a “normal” job, experimenting with a stint in the cosmetics industry, and finding motivation in advice to “brand yourself.” (15:26–17:00)
• He details his journey to becoming a sought-after public speaker, with speeches focused on "ambition, dreams, goals, failure, overcoming failure."

4. Friendship, Fame, and Emotional Vulnerability

• Bradshaw opens up about his need to be liked in friendships and the disappointment he sometimes feels when he makes more effort than others.
  • “Why am I the one starting this relationship? Why am I ... I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them, and that's not always the case.” (Terry Bradshaw, 94:48)
• The Dunbar’s number concept is discussed, with Joe explaining cognitive friendship limits. (Joe Rogan, 91:00–92:00)
• Both reflect on navigating relationships as public figures and the experience of being recognized everywhere.

5. Old-School Football Culture & Changing Times

• Bradshaw and Rogan dissect how the NFL and athlete care have radically changed since the 1970s:
  • Bradshaw recalls playing while hurt and getting shot up with painkillers, with little concern for long-term effects.
  • “Back then. They shoot you up, you know, you’re gonna play. That's how it was. You're going to play.” (Terry Bradshaw, 52:08)
  • On steroids: “I remember once I was at the hall of fame, someone ... I said, well, hell, everybody takes steroids. I took steroids for this, you know. But not anabolic steroids.” (Terry Bradshaw, 62:24–62:57)

6. Performance-Enhancing Drugs and Player Health

• A frank discussion about steroids, their widespread use, the impact on the game, and the different attitudes in the past and present.
• Joe explains tendon risks with steroid use and talks about the changes in testing protocol in football and the UFC.
• Bradshaw is both bemused and relieved he “didn’t know what steroids was” during his playing years.

7. Health, Rheumatoid Arthritis, and Stem Cells Debate

• Terry details his struggle with rheumatoid arthritis and recounts cancer diagnoses (bladder, Merkel cell).
• They discuss stem cells for injuries, with Joe advocating based on personal experience, and Terry expressing skepticism:
  • “But you believe in that little baby Jesus? [...] Catches fish for you.” (Joe Rogan, 40:50)
  • Terry’s response: "Absolutely." Further expressing doubt in stem cell longevity. (Terry Bradshaw, 40:53)
• Both men reflect on the relentless injuries of pro sports and recovery strategies, from B12 shots to anti-inflammatory meds.

8. Food, Country Life, and Cooking Follies

• The two swap stories about cooking wild game—mainly failures with duck and Bradshaw’s upbringing eating squirrel.
  • “We tried to cook some duck. Yeah, it was horrible.” (Terry Bradshaw, 27:20)
  • Joe explains it’s all in the preparation and references Anthony Bourdain.
• Bradshaw describes ranch life, raising ducks, and his fondness for animals (“I can't hunt. I don't like to shoot stuff”).

9. Boxing Legends, Intelligence, and Image

• In-depth talk about boxing greats (Mike Tyson, Muhammad Ali, Sonny Liston, George Foreman).
• Bradshaw wonders why smart athletes are often underestimated.
• Joe gives deep context to the intellectual side of boxing: “He's bobbing and weaving. He's being incredibly elusive. He's shifting his weight... It takes intelligence to do that. That’s not what a dumb guy would do.” (Joe Rogan, 72:21)

10. Fame, Forgiveness, and Regrets

• The challenges of apologizing and repairing relationships—Terry shares both successful and unsuccessful attempts.
• Talks about the sting of unintentionally offending people and the importance of forgiveness, especially among close friends.
  • “If you can put five big egos together and have everybody love and care about one another, I'm gonna tell you, that's special.” (Terry Bradshaw, 130:16)

11. Motivational Speaking: Art, Strategy, and Adaptability

• Bradshaw reveals that he never writes his speeches, instead thinking through what he wants to say and reading widely to prepare.
  • “I write here. [...] And over time, what speakers do ... you got a theme for this year and do it all ... put tire company in there and build it around that.” (Terry Bradshaw, 146:57–147:03)
• Anecdotes of gigs going awry, rejection and eventual success on the speaking circuit.

12. Dogs, Burglaries, and Rural Living

• Bradshaw, a huge dog lover, owns many—including trained German Shepherd guard dogs, inspired by past burglaries:
  • “I've had. Since Tammy and I ... 22 years now. And I got a guard dog, But I won't. I will not leave my wife at home. ... I got a badass dog.” (Terry Bradshaw, 124:26–124:51)
• Joe adds anecdotes about his pets and the loving chaos of life with many animals.

13. Reflections on Friendship, TV, and Team Dynamics

• Heartfelt discussion of the camaraderie at Fox’s NFL show and how true friendship builds trust, fun, and good TV.
• The difference between authentic fun on sports broadcasts and formulaic ‘stat recitation’ is explored and mocked by both.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Fishing lore:
  “I carry a big baby Jesus with me [...] 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. 6 giant rainbow in a row.”
  — Terry Bradshaw, 02:21

• Old-school NFL mentality:
  “Back then. They shoot you up, you know, you’re gonna play. That's how it was.”
  — Terry Bradshaw, 52:08

• Steroid era baseball:
  “They should have looked away. They should have turned their head away. Boy, I tell you, I don't see nothing. They should have. Everybody should have shut the fuck up and let these guys take steroids. Let's go. Do you like home runs or not?”
  — Joe Rogan, 61:29

• Friendship angst:
  “Why am I the one starting this relationship? ... I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them, and that's not always the case.”
  — Terry Bradshaw, 94:48

• On adapting speeches:
  “I write here. [...] I started reading a lot. Psychology, salesmanship, leadership. ... Gather all the knowledge you can gather.”
  — Terry Bradshaw, 146:57–148:57

• Concussion protocol then vs. now:
  “I guess I came to in the fourth quarter. I went back in, played pretty good, too.”
  — Terry Bradshaw, 83:15

• Team trust in TV:
  “You can't do that unless there's trust. ... If you can put five big egos together and have everybody love and care about one another, I'm gonna tell you, that's special.”
  — Terry Bradshaw, 130:16 / 137:26

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Important Timestamps

• Fishing, Baby Jesus superstition: 02:00–04:00
• Bradshaw Bourbon origins and whiskey talk: 04:45–08:52, 11:21–13:30
• Motivation, career path, corporate speaking: 13:26–15:52, 141:17–151:12
• NFL injuries and steroid culture: 51:06–63:17
• Wild game and cooking stories: 24:02–30:06
• On hunting and personal ethics: 23:05–24:02
• Friendship and fame struggles: 90:39–95:34
• Concussions and brain health: 83:18–87:32
• Dogs, burglaries, and ranch life: 119:12–127:50
• TV show friendships and trust: 133:27–137:47

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Episode Tone & Style

• Warm, Southern, unfiltered: Bradshaw's stories and emotions flow in colorful, plainspoken language.
• Jovial banter: Joe and Terry riff and trade playful insults, with regular laughter throughout.
• Reflective and vulnerable: Both are open about disappointments, health scares, and self-doubt.
• Diverse topics connected by storytelling, not linear structure.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a treasure trove for fans of football, storytelling, and old-school Americana. Bradshaw’s honesty about his vulnerabilities, changing times, and the meaning of real brotherhood—on the field and off—stands out. The tales of botched duck dinners, superstitious fishing, and unscripted friendship add humanity and warmth.

If you missed the episode, you'll walk away knowing:

• Bradshaw is as entertaining, earnest, and occasionally messy off the field as he was leading the Steelers.
• The biggest wins aren't always Super Bowls—they’re sometimes making amends, forgiving friends, or simply making someone laugh.
• Life is best lived pursuing genuine connection, a little luck, and a healthy pour of good bourbon.

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For more: terrybradshawbourbon.com
(Fan of unlikely animal partnerships? This episode’s for you.)

Transcript

[Terry Bradshaw]

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day, Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day.

[Joe Rogan]

Pull up onto the microphone, Mr. Bradshaw.

[Terry Bradshaw]

They're catching rainbow trout.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Killed him. I've been up this our fourth year.

[Joe Rogan]

You fly fish?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. But you're not fly fishing. You come back in July for fly fishing. This is fly fishing. But you've got a fly bobber. It's a fly. Then you got that tiny, tiny bug. I mean you can't even see it. And that's what you catch them all.

[Joe Rogan]

So you fly. You're using a fly rod, but you have a bobber and a little tiny.

[Terry Bradshaw]

The bobber. The bobber is a. Basically a big moth or something. Okay. Holds it up.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Bobber cork.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. So it's just a different kind of

[Terry Bradshaw]

fly fishing what you're doing, because you're not. You're in a boat, you know fast that water's moving, right. And you just go down through there and they move it to the jets and jetties and stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

And so you find like the pools where they're waiting.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. You go and you just find it goes boom. Yeah. Oh, brown trout. Yeah. It was good time. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Trout fishing is very fun.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Fly fishing is a completely different thing. It's very. It's very skillful.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I like fly fishing too. We did that last year in July and didn't have near the didn't. I mean, we didn't catch hardly anything. Be honest with you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I mean maybe five or six a day.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a lot for fly fishing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

We caught almost 110 hours.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

A hundred trout. That's crazy. Don't say where you were. People are all going to swarm that place.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I didn't bring my phone. I'd show you pictures, but yeah, it was. It was crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I tell you something funny. I carry. I carry.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we're filming.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I forget who we were. I carry a big baby Jesus with me. Let me tell you what happened.

[Joe Rogan]

You carry a baby Jesus. Baby Jesus, like from the manger?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yes, Jesus. Right, Jesus. We call it baby Jesus. Okay, okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so it is just grown up Jesus has a beard and everything.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, exactly. Okay, so we're not catching anything. So I reach in my pocket, I don't know why, looking for my. I don't know what I was doing. And I had this baby Jesus. I said, oh, my son in law is in the back. I said, I got baby Jesus with me. And I set him on the on the igloo, on the box facing me. You ready, Joe? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6 Giant rainbow in a row. So my son in law is in the back and he's going, turn Baby Jesus towards me. I turned around, I took baby Jesus toward him. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. I went, now this, we caught 12, 12 rainbow. Anywhere from 15 to 20 inches. That's cool. Yeah, that's big.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good rainbow.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So that, so the, so the, the, the guide, I mean, he's. He got a little tripped out. He. He said, he said, hey, man. Hey, you kind of, you're kind of messing with me here. That's kind of, that's kind of got. Got me a little screwed up. I started laughing. I said, man, you get the power of Jesus in here. So we kept it all day. Before I left, I gave it to him. So he said, I'm gonna use this every day. So that's. It was kind of fun.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think that's something you should use every day. I think that that should be like for special trips. You don't want to ask Jesus every day to help you catch fish.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't go fishing every day, but yeah, you're right.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I'm saying?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I didn't, I didn't need. I wouldn't normally need help, but trout fishing, I need help. I'm bass fishing. And yeah, I'm pretty good on my own, but if things get desperate, I'm not. I mean, I don't want to push it. You know what I'm saying? I want to push it. Oh, by the way, Jeff died to me. Say hello.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you know Jeff?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I did two years of better late than never with him.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I love Jeff. He's a good dude. Solid dude. Man's man. What. What's with all the whiskey? Did you bring that? Yeah, I was wondering.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You don't drink.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll drink. Yeah, I quit and then I came back. Yeah, I quit for eight months. Not. Not really. Like, I didn't have a problem. I just health reasons. I decided it wasn't a good thing for you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Smart. I.

[Joe Rogan]

You have your own Terry Bradshaw whiskey?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. We've had it now.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on, son, we gotta have a glass of that.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Seven years.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you drink?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Selling whiskey. Better.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I drink this.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's have a.

[Terry Bradshaw]

This is our 12 year that just won all the golden awards and spirits and.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, won all of them.

[Joe Rogan]

So. Age 12 years.

[Terry Bradshaw]

12 years. 13.

[Joe Rogan]

Now, I was talking with Buffalo Trace about that. And they're like.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, yeah, that's what you drink. Once you drink this, you'll stop drinking that. Unless. Unless they're a sponsor.

[Joe Rogan]

They're our sponsor.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay, there you go.

[Joe Rogan]

And they're nice guys.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

And I respect them. I mean that country, that company's been around longer than the country long. Longer than America long time. They started in 1773.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I mean when you go back said to whiskey.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, they. They claim that Elijah Craig was the father of bourbon whiskey. And it's. They do research and then they don't have it back that far where they can. I can actually say because Elijah Craig was a preacher.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really? Yeah. So that frees preacher who made whiskey.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So anyway, that's. That's award winning. 12.

[Joe Rogan]

Get some ice and glasses.

[Terry Bradshaw]

This is. This is our original. This is our two year. This is the original brand right there. We still have that.

[Joe Rogan]

What is the original? It's two year aged two two.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Then with our. With our yeast, we were able to make it taste like four to six. Okay. And so now. And then we don't do that anymore. And then this is the. This is. This is the good stuff right here.

[Joe Rogan]

What's that?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Six year.

[Joe Rogan]

Six year.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

So you got 12, two and six?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, actually 12. Four.

[Joe Rogan]

Can you really tell the difference?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, absolutely. Oh, I'm gonna tell you right now. This is 145 proof.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a lot.

[Terry Bradshaw]

This. This is 108. 103.8. This is amazing. This is. This, this is a.

[Joe Rogan]

Why does the older stuff have more alcohol? Is it because of the process of aging?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, because it's also. This is a bourbon that. It's a single barrel bourbon. And when we brought it out, you leave it in there and this is what it turned out to. Now we could dilute it by simply putting water in it and dilute it down to this is 103.8. Then it's 51.9 proof or proof alcohol. This. This 149.

[Joe Rogan]

Bust it out, Terry. Let's go.

[Terry Bradshaw]

If we bust it, how long we plan on talk today?

[Joe Rogan]

Talk for a couple hours.

[Terry Bradshaw]

We may not be able to make a couple hours.

[Joe Rogan]

We'll give it our best shot.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay. We're doing our best. You got. Who can open this?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't have a knife here. Jamie got a knife.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, yeah. So we started this.

[Joe Rogan]

Good man.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know what I noticed coming over here today? A lot of tattoos in here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Lot of tattoos.

[Joe Rogan]

You mean the building? Jamie's tattoo free.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, a lot of tattoos.

[Joe Rogan]

He's been thinking about getting my face tattooed on his back. You still doing that too?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is that like a bullseye? Stand up. I waited for a good drawing.

[Joe Rogan]

We made a deal. I'll do his face, he'll do mine.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, my go anyway.

[Joe Rogan]

And I'll have like, young Jamie Gothic stuff on my back.

[Terry Bradshaw]

The thing about. The thing about bourbon, I don't know how to explain it. I don't know why I fell in love with bourbon. I find it to be. First of all, it's the only thing that's. It's only in America. Bourbon is only bourbon if it's in America.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And I think it's only bourbon if it's. If it's made in Kentucky.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of Kentucky people feel the exact same way.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I mean. You ready?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, sir. Okay, let's go. Time to party.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm just going. This might. This might be the best show you ever have.

[Joe Rogan]

All right. I'm excited.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, you will be after you drink that.

[Joe Rogan]

Let it sounds good.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Let it sit.

[Joe Rogan]

It smells good.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Let it sit.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the 12 year old stuff. And what is it called?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Rachel Bergman. That's the name.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Terry Bradshaw]

Can I say, here's the thing about the 12 year old, we only have Bradshaw Bourbon.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that.

[Terry Bradshaw]

We only have 15 cases left. 15 cases. I think they told me. So this is a limited edition, and then we have to come out with some new stuff. But this is actually 13 years old

[Joe Rogan]

now, so you obviously started this project a long time ago, right? If you've been aging it for 12 years.

[Terry Bradshaw]

What I did.

[Joe Rogan]

Cheers, sir.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Thank you for being here, Joe. Thanks for having me.

[Joe Rogan]

My pleasure.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Thank you. What happened? I don't know why I went to my. Hey, wow. You gotta let it sit.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's got a kick.

[Terry Bradshaw]

We're gonna try this and then we'll try this.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And you'll definitely see the difference. But I was going to my. I went to my dad, who.

[Joe Rogan]

Someone's driving me home today.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. My father's father was an alcoholic. And I went to my dad prior to him passing. And I said, hey, dad, what would you think if I got into the spirits business? And he says, you know what I think? And I went, well, I'm just asking you. And he says, absolutely not. And I said, okay. So I shut her down. My dad died. Wow. It's 12 years ago. He died. My mother died two years ago. So, anyway, so after his passing, two or three years, four years of sitting. And I was sitting around, I was trying to. I remember William Cohen, Secretary of State William Cohen. He says, what do you do to make a living? I said, well, I work on Fox. I'm a broadcaster. And he says, is that it? I said, well, I'm a horse and cattle breeder. I raise registered cattle. And I've been in the breeding business, training business, quarter horses. He said, oh, okay. He says, is there anything else? I said, well, I get public. I speak for corporations. So he was trying to find Out. And he took a liking to him. And he says, basically what he was telling me, should brand yourself and not have to travel so much, you know? Cause I traveled 250 days last year. We traveled.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a lot.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's a lot. But my wife travels with me, so that's good.

[Joe Rogan]

That helps.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. What do you want to do with baby Jesus? Let's sit him right.

[Joe Rogan]

Sit him right there. See if any fish flop out of the sky.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I got him facing you. We'll see what happens. And anyway, so he said, basically, you ought to brand yourself, get into something that you can. And I said, well, I don't really know anything. I know football. I can talk football. I know how to make people laugh. I know how to give speeches to major corporations and build a program in the speeches. I know quarter horses. I know how to select horses, show horses. I know how to train them. I don't do that, but I have a trainer for all that now, and I have people for the breeding part of it. And I said, in cattle, I know the bloodlines and things of that nature, but I got people doing that. So I just got this. I never forgot that. You know, that's William Cole. He's a pretty smart dude. And so we're. I'm home. Think it was kind of a rainy day. And I'm sitting there, my little brain's going, I'm going, you know, what would you want to do? What do you. For some reason, I was going, what do you want to do? Because I remember one time. I remember one time, I got real uncomfortable because I didn't have a normal job. So I ran into this guy that owned this cosmetic company, and I said, do you have a job? Could you hire me to teach me the cosmetic industry? And he said, yeah, yeah. He gave me $5,000 a month. So I had to go to work and put a tie on and a coat because I wanted to be like, everybody. Everybody goes to work but me. I'm playing golf in between speeches, which may be week, two weeks apart. So I got two weeks of golf, and I got. You know, and I just got.

[Joe Rogan]

When was this that you started?

[Terry Bradshaw]

This is 30 years ago.

[Joe Rogan]

So 30 years ago, you decided to get into the cosmetics business?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, Just for.

[Joe Rogan]

Just to do something.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I wanted to be. I wanted to have a job. Really. I know. Wow. I wanted to have a job. I wanted to be like. I wanted. I think I wanted to see. I wanted to see how America works. People get up and kiss their kids goodbye and their wives or husbands and they go off to work and I, for some reason I felt guilty I didn't have a job. I know it's stupid.

[Joe Rogan]

I know it's interesting.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So I got a job. Now here's the thing, Joe. My office was right on the road across the street from the golf course I was a member of. And I was watching my buddies come up the fairway and I'd stand at the window and I'd look at him and I'd go, that I should be playing golf with those guys right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So how long did you last? Two months. I couldn't stand it. Hey, I'll tell you, man, I couldn't stand it. Most people can't, but I can't explain it other than I just felt guilty that, you know, people say, well, athletes, they got, you know, it's true. They got all this money and they got this and they got that and.

[Joe Rogan]

You smoke cigars, Terry?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I do.

[Joe Rogan]

You want one?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I do. I want a really good one. You got them? Oh, yeah. Hey, I love. Hey, that's my wife. I've got the only. I'm probably married to the only wife who lets me smoke in the house.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Terry Bradshaw]

You married?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. I can't smoke in the house.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, See there?

[Joe Rogan]

Everything you see in this place is because I can't do anything at home. All the elk heads and all the crazy artwork and Jimi Hendrix and all that jazz. Yeah. It's like I let her decorate the house.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I mean? It's beautiful. It's very exciting. My house would look like a 16 year old boy won the lottery.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I can understand that. I don't know why, honestly.

[Joe Rogan]

Simulators and I don't know why my.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Why my wife lets me smoke. But if she said yeah. Oh, you're saying yours don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Doesn't know too. But we make concessions.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I mean?

[Terry Bradshaw]

All right, so anyway.

[Joe Rogan]

But I have a pool room. Like where I play pool.

[Terry Bradshaw]

In the house?

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's out.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, outside, out in the barn.

[Joe Rogan]

And I go out there and I smoke. I have a cigar.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This one, sir.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, bless you. Yeah, this is good. You smoke Cuban cigars?

[Joe Rogan]

I do when I can get them. But you know what I mean, there's a lot of them that aren't even really Cuban. They're lying to you. There you go, sir. I think out of all the counterfeit

[Terry Bradshaw]

stuff, be the greatest interview I've ever been a part of.

[Joe Rogan]

A good time.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Not only are we going to drink award winning bourbon, Rachel, bourbon by the Way. And we're smoking. This is amazing cigar.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Shout out to Foundation Cigars.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Wow. What is this?

[Joe Rogan]

Dominican, I believe? No, Nicaraguan.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Is it our fathers or to our fathers?

[Joe Rogan]

The name of the company.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's Foundation. Foundation Cigars.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I gotta get the name.

[Joe Rogan]

This is called the Tabernacle.

[Terry Bradshaw]

This is his foundation cigars. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Good, right? Oh, legit, right? Yeah, yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

If I had your kind of money, I could afford afforded these, you know,

[Joe Rogan]

foundation also have him send you a box. He give them to me for free.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Siri.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's a friend of the show.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Can I get like a monthly Delicious.

[Joe Rogan]

Betty Will. I bet he will just make a little Instagram post or something. Anyway, be happy to hook you up.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I got this friend, he built our house. Huge elk hunter, which I know you are. And so he goes out and he shoots this massive elk. I mean, this monster. His. The bottom of his horn was like this big around, just massive. Seven by seven In Idaho, New Mexico.

[Joe Rogan]

New Mexico. Big Joe. Extraordinary big elk in New Mexico.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Shot him with a bow. He's a bow hunter like you. And so he brings it home. Now he's got his fireplace, all right. He's got two over here, two over here. Well, you got to balance it up.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

One right in the middle. So he gets his horn. You got the European mount?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's what he does. So he gets his step ladder. He got his horn. He's got the screw in the wall or whatever you do to hold it, and he's putting it up and he's looking at it, and he's like, oh, this is good. This is good. He takes a ladder and he moves out. He goes, gets. Gets in his chair and he's admiring his trophy.

[Joe Rogan]

And it falls down.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, no, no, no, no. The wife walked in.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And she says, what are you doing? He goes, look, babe, seven by seven. Look. Two, two, one in the middle. Perfectly balanced wall. I want that out of here. What? I want that out of here. Get that out of here. That's not going up there. Baba. Get it out of here. He had to take it down. You know where it is now?

[Joe Rogan]

Where is it now?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Garage. I know I killed him. I said. I said give it to me. I'll hang room. My wife doesn't care.

[Joe Rogan]

That's not good.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Massive. Yeah. Get it out of here. That's. That's not what you want to hear.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Terry Bradshaw]

That's pretty impressive. You shoot an elk or anything, but with a bow and arrow, you're close.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's a lot of work.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. It's not easy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not easy, but I. I look forward to it every year like nothing else.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Do you go out for two weeks? A week? A week?

[Joe Rogan]

Usually a week. Week at a time. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You go to Mexico or.

[Joe Rogan]

I haven't been in New Mexico, but I, I want to. New Mexico is like the Gila Mountains out there. That's supposed to be like one of the best elk that Arizona spots of Utah just for volume spots of California.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Montana's got big out.

[Joe Rogan]

Montana's huge.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't know about Wyoming, Idaho. Utah has huge elk. I'm not an elk hunter, but I know all this because for the one time I went elk hunting, I gave my trainer, my horse trainer my tag.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I just followed him. Oh, wow. Yeah, it was cool. And he shot this huge 6x6.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's cool. So you gave him the tag? Just went along with him.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I just went along, stayed behind when he, when they had. We got down, you know, crawling around. It was. Hey, it's. It's impressive animal.

[Joe Rogan]

You've never done it?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't hunt.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't hunt at all? Just fish.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I can't hunt. I don't like to shoot stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

I get it. Yeah, I get it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'll kill a snake in a heartbeat. Or I even have a hard time killing a mouse. Really? Yeah. I don't know what it is. Snake. Snakes scare me. Centipede. I'll crush a centipede for all he's worth, then put him in a grinder in the kitchen. Grind that sucker up. He might still be alive. You ever been to Hawaii and got a hold of some centipedes? Joe, Joe, Joe. Hear me loud and clear. They're dangerous.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, some of them are. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, they're gross.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yes. So no, I'm not hunter. My brother's a hunter. My dad was a hunter. All my uncles are hunters. I don't know why. I. I never did.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, nothing wrong with that. You don't have to do it. It's not necessary. You could always go to the grocery store.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I do that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but if you wanted to get it yourself, it's.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I don't. I enjoy. It's like fishing. I'll go fishing with you. I don't have to fish and I love to fish. I don't have to fish. As long as you're catching fish and having a good time, that's as much fun for me is any. Oh, mercy.

[Joe Rogan]

A big island man caught a foot long centipede. That dude caught that on the big island of Hawaii.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Hey, check that out. Hey, but looky here. Right here.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't know they got that big. Is that an invasive one or is that. That can't be. Native to Hawaii. Is it Hawaiian giant centipedes.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Whoa. Is there a secret to this? No.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you flip the top the other way. There you go. That's it. Now pull that button down.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, this?

[Joe Rogan]

Yep. There you go.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Sorry about that.

[Joe Rogan]

No worries. That one. For some reason, that lighter confuses the out of people.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, it's pretty good lighter too.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. That was gross, huh?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So you have no problem killing centipedes? Just don't want to kill an animal. I get it. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

But the thing is, if you don't kill them, they get killed by something. It's usually either winter or mountain lions.

[Terry Bradshaw]

We raised 27 mallard ducks, my wife and I.

[Joe Rogan]

You raise them?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Raise them? Raised. Raised them. And so I told her this morning, flying down here to Austin. So I told her, I said, we got five ducks left. What happened to them stupid ducks? Now we live way out in the country. What they're doing is coming out of the lake, walking through the field, crossing over the road.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they get crushed.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And they're getting hit on the road. Why? Why? I had no idea. But we have five left. Out of 27.

[Joe Rogan]

Are you raising them for eggs or you just.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, we just raise them for fun.

[Joe Rogan]

For fun? Just to have ducks hanging around?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. With ducks. We had ducks, chickens, guineas.

[Joe Rogan]

Duck eggs are interesting. You ever have them?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm not eating a duck egg.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know why.

[Terry Bradshaw]

They're darker. Yolk. I know that. You ever had a guinea egg?

[Joe Rogan]

Guinea. What is it like?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I don't think so.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's. It's good for you. But I.

[Joe Rogan]

The duck eggs are weird. They, like, coat your mouth. You know what I mean? Like, when you eat them, it just tastes different. But apparently it's massively high in protein.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. We were talking about eating buffalo and elk, you know, coming in today, and I said, well, I've had buffalo and. And that elk that my trainer killed. I could have all of it I want. And I got one little steak. My wife won't let me cook it, so.

[Joe Rogan]

Won't let you cook it?

[Terry Bradshaw]

So I have it, so it's still sitting. Just. No. No wild game in the house, see?

[Joe Rogan]

I know, but it's just meat.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You met her earlier.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. She seems like a lovely lady. I don't understand why she has a problem with wild.

[Terry Bradshaw]

When we leave here today, go and say, hey, Tammy, how about. How about we go over to the house and have a nice little little elk steak? And, you know, hey, that ain't gonna happen.

[Joe Rogan]

Some people have a. A bad misconception about wild game. You know, they think that it smells bad or tastes bad.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I think it's taste. I don't like deer.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't like deer. I like buffalo.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it's how it's prepared. I guarantee you, if you had deer from someone who prepares it well.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Do you eat duck? Yes. You eat duck?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, I do.

[Terry Bradshaw]

We try to eat. We tried to cook some duck. Yeah, it was horrible.

[Joe Rogan]

See, this is what we're talking about. No, I think it's just how you're preparing it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Really? I don't know. I do know this Mr. Child's got some of the best duck I've ever had.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Mr. Child's in Los Angeles. Beverly Hills.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's where I eat duck.

[Joe Rogan]

Fantastic duck.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now that's good.

[Joe Rogan]

I think they probably do a better job of preparing it, that's all. It is.

[Terry Bradshaw]

We tried to do the roux. The roux that you cooked duck in.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

It ended up looking like tar.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Do you guys. But do you know how to cook?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, we thought we did. We found that. Anthony, is your wife a good cook? Is your wife?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, she is.

[Terry Bradshaw]

She is.

[Joe Rogan]

Anthony Bourdain went on this duck hunt with these guys and cooked the duck for them because they were complaining that duck doesn't taste good. And he got ma at them. He's like, listen, listen, listen. Don't say that. It's not the duck doesn't taste good. It's just you don't know what you're doing. And on the show, he prepares it for them and they're like, this is fantastic. Like, yeah, that's how you're supposed to prepare duck. It tastes really good if you do a good job.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Mr. Charles got it down.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they do. They're chefs, professionals.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But my wife and I, we got it out of. Out of the computer.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, okay. Got a recipe?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, yeah. So we got. A friend of mine sent us five mallards.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I think we got two of them out. We didn't know what we were doing. Do they cook down and you don't have a half a bird or what? I don't know. So we got. So you got to make a roux, right? You know the sauce.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, the sauce.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So we got the big pot out and we're putting this in that in this in that, in right now you heat it, get it this and that, then you stir. Add this and that, and we stir. And we stir. And the more we stir, I end up looking like a rubber tire. It was horrible. It was. Seriously.

[Joe Rogan]

But Terry, I want you to think about it this way. Imagine if someone learned how to play football from YouTube. Never played football before. Oh, let's figure out how to play football. We're gonna watch a YouTube video on how to play football. Apple. And then they went out there and had a fucking terrible game. They looked like shit. Right, right. That's the same thing as, like, you learn how to cook for a recipe if you don't know how to cook.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I've got a book out called the Bradshaw Family Cookbook.

[Joe Rogan]

And so you can cook?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. But I don't cook stuff like that. I make a root. Now, my son in law. You met Noah?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He's a world renowned. Not a world renowned, but he was. He's number one. Voted the number one chef in Dallas. Oh, wow. Yeah, he's from Hawaii.

[Joe Rogan]

What restaurant does he cook?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Out of Dallas Hams. He. He. They hire him. Okay, that makes sense.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, sure, sure.

[Terry Bradshaw]

They hire him. He does these. Goes out and cooks for companies and people. It's amazing. Amazing. Matter of fact, I called him yesterday after church, and I said, I got some. I always mess up pork. Pork chops. I love pork chops, but I screw them up. And he said, what you got? Temperature at 30. I said, 350. He said, 20 minutes. Take them off. That's all I needed to know. Perfect. It's beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. You just got to learn how to do it. But it's not that the duck tastes bad.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Here's the bad thing about it. I know my. I know my banker who's the one I got the ducks from. His name is Drake Mills.

[Joe Rogan]

His name is Drake. He has Drake ducks, and he has ducks.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Ducks. He's a duck hunter, but his name is Drake. Drake. Yeah. I call him crazy. I know, but he's.

[Joe Rogan]

How ironic.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Serious duck hunter. Serious plants 500 acres of rice.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, serious. Okay.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Then he's on the phone with me bitching it's 80 degrees. Ducks don't. I mean, they aren't coming in at 80 degrees. His rice. And he's got water issues.

[Joe Rogan]

Does he know how to cook duck?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I guess I never. He's never asked me what I want to eat any duck, but I asked for some duck. He told me one day he had plenty of duck, and I said, well, Tammy, we don't shoot stuff, but I like duck. I. So he sent us five duck ducks, you know, and that's so.

[Joe Rogan]

So that's what you cook.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's what.

[Joe Rogan]

I cooked his ducks. Did you ask him how he cooks it?

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, I don't think so. No. Probably should have. No.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably a good idea.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, I mean, the book, right? The book. Come on, Joe. Yeah. The book says a quarter.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? The right way to do it is to learn from someone who is a really good chef.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I got to take a break here. This is pretty dang good. Have you had any more?

[Joe Rogan]

I have.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Cheers. We need to bump again.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's go.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm telling you, when this is over with, let's go. You'll be sitting over there, and I'll be sitting over there.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's try it. It's got quite a kick, I'll tell you that. There's a lot in there. You can tell it's 135 proof.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, it's good.

[Joe Rogan]

But, yeah, I think duck cooking, like I've heard people say that wild game tastes bad. It's it's the best tasty meat in the world. It's just. How do you cook it?

[Terry Bradshaw]

You eat turkey.

[Joe Rogan]

Wild Turkey. I've had wild Turkey.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Dang.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, but you're crazy. It was delicious.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I mean, only way wild turkey you eat squirrel.

[Joe Rogan]

I've had squirrel. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Now, see, I grew up on squirrel. Now, you tell my wife that or you tell any of my kids that. Oh, God that.

[Joe Rogan]

This is a lot like chicken, right? It's a lot like chicken.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is that true?

[Joe Rogan]

Would you agree?

[Terry Bradshaw]

You're a stand up comedian. So is that a funny.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's kind of chicken like. It's almost like squirrels taste like chicken. Well, it's not like a red meat.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You eat the brain.

[Joe Rogan]

I have not eaten squirrel brain.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, then the brain.

[Joe Rogan]

I've had lamb's brain before. Yeah, my uncle Vinnie used to cook it. He used to slice up. They used to sell it in the grocery store in New Jersey. They'd slice up a lamb's skull with the brain inside, like sliced in half, and they put two halves on the grill and they would cook lamb's brains on the grill. Hey, I was like 10. I don't know.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, my brother and I used to fight over the squirrel head and I don't want to.

[Joe Rogan]

The squirrel head used to fight over.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't want to gross out our viewers out there.

[Joe Rogan]

Too late.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But we. You take them and you take them and you hit them with a spoon and rip the. Crack it open. Delicious. I mean, now would I eat one today? No.

[Joe Rogan]

How old were you when you were doing this?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I was. I know. At least 15. Up to 15. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I didn't think anything of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Brains are sketchy. Like eating brains can get you in trouble. Like, that's.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Can I honestly say this. Is this the first interview you ever done with brains? Eating brains has been brought up.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably not.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, not.

[Joe Rogan]

Have we talked about eating brains before?

[Terry Bradshaw]

For sure we have.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, definitely.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Well, I'm not.

[Joe Rogan]

Because of prion.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I thought I'd be special today, but evidently not.

[Joe Rogan]

I think we talked about it in terms of what mad cow disease is. Mad cow disease comes from them feeding cows cows. It's basically the same disease that cannibals get.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I'm not familiar with that. Yeah, I know about mad cow disease. They got another one going on right now in South Texas. Some kind of disease.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, the screw worm. Screw worm, yeah. Yeah, told me about that.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Can bother New world, you, horses, dogs, pretty much everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, it's a bad. It's apparently A huge problem. Yeah, they had it in America, I think in the 80s, and they pushed it back, they got rid of it. So hopefully they can get rid of it again. But it's apparently a really dangerous parasite.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, it's a parasite. So I mean, I got in trouble one time for seeing people were having. During the COVID thing, they were taking ivermectin. You may have taken ivermectin. And I gave. I didn't know any better. I thought I knew, but I didn't know. But ivermectin, I used to give it to the cattle. Right, that's what.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And I had a. Not speaking of brains, this is true. We were in Hawaii. I run into a brain surgeon and he says, are you okay with the COVID thing? And I said I had it, got over it, you know, I'm all right now. And he says, well, he says, boy. He said, I take ivermectin, man. That's been. I said, brain surgeon. And I said to him, obviously I said, really? You. It's a cattle dewormer. Ivermectin kills parasites. So I just left it at that. And I walked in and going, brain surge, didn't he. I never could rationalize that kind of thinking.

[Joe Rogan]

But yeah, well, you know, ivermectin won the Nobel Prize for human beings, for use in human beings.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, I didn't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's good for yellow fever, dengue fever. It's an anti parasitic that also has antiviral properties.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So I didn't know that. Obviously I wasn't as well informed as you are.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, I got in trouble for it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, so did I. I got in

[Joe Rogan]

trouble like publicly, like on cnn. The. The White House talked about it during. I got over. You don't know the story, so. And for the people that know the story, I'm sorry I have to repeat it, but during the pandemic, I got coveted and we had a. Me and Dave Chappelle were doing a show in Nashville and I had to cancel it because I had covet. And so I made a video saying that I feel better, but we have to cancel the shows. I had Covid. I was sick for a couple days, but now I'm fine. And I explained all the stuff that I took. I took a bunch of stuff, monoclonal antibodies. And one of the things that I took was ivermectin. So it became this huge thing on CNN because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. So they had all these different people saying that I was Taking horse dewormer. Well, human medication prescribed to me by my doctor, who also took ivermectin, also got Covid. Also got better. And he didn't take all the stuff that I took. Yeah, I took a bunch of stuff, but they changed the color of my skin. They made my skin look green on cnn. Like, no bullshit. Oh, no bullshit.

[Terry Bradshaw]

The AI do.

[Joe Rogan]

They literally put a filter on my face to make me look green.

[Terry Bradshaw]

They would put a cow's head over me. I honestly did not know that you. That a human takes ivermectin, but I

[Joe Rogan]

will say that it's actually invented for humans.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I actually didn't know that, and I'm thankful that I didn't argue with anybody. And he wasn't the only one that told me that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, the problem was, it was. That was a narrative that was all over the news, is that it was horse dewormer. And if you're a person who works with animals, with horses, I only knew it's cattle. It's a. It is a dewormer. But that's like saying penicillin is a veterinary medicine. No. Well, they use penicillin on. On animals. They also use penicillin on humans. It's like. It's medicine. We're mammals. We have similar medicines. That's what ivermectin is. It's. It stops viral replication. And that's the benefit a lot of

[Terry Bradshaw]

people proven to stop was it.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a ton of studies. There's a lot of people that have written books. I'm not the guy to talk about it, but there's a lot of evidence that the reason why they were not telling people to take ivermectin is because they wanted everybody to get vaccinated. I got one over here. Thank you. But the reason why they wanted to get everyone to get vaccinated is not because it was effective. It's because they wanted to make a lot of money, and that's what they did.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, when you're talking about drugs, you're talking about a lot of money.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of money.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, a lot of money.

[Joe Rogan]

So that's why it's ironic that you brought that up, because I got caught in the crossfires of the ivermectin bullshit.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And see, I. But I. You knew more about it than I did because.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I had a farmer.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Being a farmer. That's all I'd used it for. Yeah, all I used it for.

[Joe Rogan]

Very effective. As a dewormer.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But it also stops viral replication. And.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But I wasn't gonna take it. I don't care if they just said, this is. I wasn't gonna take that.

[Joe Rogan]

You wouldn't take it even if it was prescribed to you by your doctor?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, it'd be a different story, right? Well, my doctor said to me, I'm married to a doctor. And my doctor said, we're not taking him in.

[Joe Rogan]

Really.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But I took. I'm one of those guys that if they say. I mean, when I got Covid, I was sitting in my dressing room at Fox. Felt fine. Felt fine. We got tested. Every Sunday morning, we got tested. They came in and said, you got to go. You got to leave. What happened? Oh, you've. You got. You got Covid. I'm like, did you get sick? No. Oh. Now, here's the thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Here's the thing. The question that came to mind later was, okay, the guy that drove me over here, the guy that's going to take me to the airport, how am I getting home?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Do I stay here in the hotel for 10, 12 days? That was my dilemma. What do I do? But I did get sick.

[Joe Rogan]

You did? Eventually.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I did? Yeah. It took me about four days and I got real sick.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Did you do anything during those four days? Were you taking vitamins? Nothing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Why not?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't take vitamins. What? I don't really know.

[Joe Rogan]

How come you're married to a doctor.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I never. I never have taken vitamins. I don't know why. Really? No.

[Joe Rogan]

Even when you're playing?

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, not take B12 shot.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But I give it to myself.

[Joe Rogan]

You give it to yourself?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Intramuscular?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Little tube. We take it after.

[Joe Rogan]

Bam.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Send them in a big bag.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. That's good for energy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, but there's hot, tired, but. Yeah, sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Vitamins, too, though.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't have a problem with MRI machines, PET scans, surgery. No, no. I got a bad hip right now. I mean, I'm telling you, Joe, it's killing me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And I got it injected.

[Joe Rogan]

Stem cells. With the injection?

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, no, I don't do stem cells.

[Joe Rogan]

Why not?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't believe in stem cells.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't believe in them? No. But you believe in that little baby Jesus?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Absolutely.

[Joe Rogan]

Catches fish for you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, this. This I do believe in. Go ahead and laugh. That, Joe. You don't want to laugh when I got baby Jesus. Point at. You better cut that, bro. You better shut that down.

[Joe Rogan]

I go fishing. I'm gonna beg you to point that baby.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, no, no. I'm gonna give you one. I got hundreds of these if we

[Joe Rogan]

go fishing, I really want to point my way. I believe.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I believe that little baby Jesus works.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh.

[Joe Rogan]

My question is, how come you don't believe in stem cells?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I had too many people based just on people that went and did stem cells.

[Joe Rogan]

Uh huh.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And what happened? They went back and did it again. Okay, did it again.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Then what happened?

[Joe Rogan]

What happened?

[Terry Bradshaw]

They went back and did it again.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Then what happened?

[Joe Rogan]

What happened?

[Terry Bradshaw]

They went back and did it again.

[Joe Rogan]

Got it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Why'd they keep going back?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Because it didn't work.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay. Didn't work at all.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Symptoms came. No, no, no, it worked. It worked for a little bit.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Well, what are these people dealing with? What's wrong with them? They're going back and back and back.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Mostly knees and ankles.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so you're probably talking about arthritis.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably talking about degenerative knee conditions, ankle conditions. So the amount of damage that you're trying to repair with stem cells, you're going to get a little bit of benefit in something like that if it's that far gone. But stem cells work.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't, you know, Good. I'm glad. I'm glad they work. You do stem cells 100. What? What hurts?

[Joe Rogan]

I had cuff tear that completely went away.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, that's at least a year.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what you say.

[Terry Bradshaw]

At least a year.

[Joe Rogan]

I had a full length rotator cuff tear. I got stem cells shot into it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Full tear.

[Joe Rogan]

Full tear. My doctor told me I 100% was going to need surgery. I went to an orthopedic surgeon that the UFC recommended. So they sent me to their guy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yes, Joe, excuse me, please go. But if I finish this, I'm probably gonna believe you.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't have to believe me or not believe me. I'm telling the truth. So I went to this doctor, he said, you have a full length rotator cuff tear. You're gonna need surgery. He goes, you could, if you want, you could try maybe make it a little bit better, but ultimately you're just putting off the surgery. So I get this stem cell treatment in Vegas. Dr. Roddy McGee hooks me up with the stem cell treatment. And then six months later, he gives me an MRI and he says, the rotator tough tear is completely gone. He goes, I've never seen anything like this in my life. He goes, it's gone. It did. Literally. The tear doesn't exist.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You had baby Jesus in your pocket.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I had science.

[Terry Bradshaw]

All right.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, it works. You'd be silly to ignore breakthrough science like this because there's a reason why so many people are doing it. The reason why so many people are doing it is, look, it's not a miracle. It's not going to fix things that are unfixable, like, like bone on bone arthritis. It's not going to fix.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's what I'm doing.

[Joe Rogan]

But it might reduce some of the inflammation and give you at least temporary relief, which is why these people keep going back again and again and again.

[Terry Bradshaw]

When I got cancer, I had to do some certain treatments and I have rheumatoid arthritis. Now, if I were still in my rheumatoid arthritis medicine, which I haven't been for three years now, I probably wouldn't be having the pain that I'm having. But you can't take the rheumatoid arthritis after you have radiation. And so do you want to risk that? Plus, I kept getting all these cancer things.

[Joe Rogan]

So you had two types of cancer, right? You had skin cancer.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I had bladder and Merkel cell, which is 2% of America has two has Merkel cell. Both of them. The bladder cancer was. Was. I went to a doctor in Dallas, he checked me and he says, well, you got a little blood in your urine, but that's fine, that's normal, or something like that. And I kept complaining, man, as went on. Finally I told my wife, I said, boy, something's not right. So she researched and found that the best doctor was at Yale University. Yale. So I went up to New Haven, Connecticut for testing, went in exploratory biopsy, came out and said, you got bladder cancer. Wow. It's a funny story about that. Funny story. There's nothing funny about cancer. But I. The last time I got divorced. You ever been divorced?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay, good. Good for you. So the last time I got divorced, my wife calls me and she says, I need for you to sit down. I don't love you anymore. I want a divorce. Oh, all right. End of that story, right? So my wife, the wife's sitting outside after they get. She gets the reports. I didn't know she got the report. She says, honey, I need for you to sit down. I ain't sitting down. I don't want another divorce. That's the first into my head the last time I heard a woman tell me, sit down. I need for you to sit down. My ass is out of there. At five o' clock that afternoon.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, boy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Hey, yeah, that was. I wouldn't sit down. She said, she said, you got bladder cancer. And I said, all right, all right.

[Joe Rogan]

At least we're not getting divorced.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I deal with bladder cancer. I can't deal with another divorce.

[Joe Rogan]

You want to hear a crazy story about stem cells and bladder?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Let me ask you something.

[Joe Rogan]

This woman. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something about stem cells. They made a bladder for this woman out of stem cells. She had some sort of a bladder issue. I don't remember if it's cancer or what it was, but she had to have her bladder removed. They made a completely new bladder for her out of stem cells with her own skin tissue, put it back in her body and now that's her bladder. So stem cells work.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Did that make the news?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, sure. There's art, there's articles written about it, peer reviewed papers. No, she has not been here, nor has the doctor that did it. But I'm aware of the story.

[Terry Bradshaw]

It's like putting it in a bowl and you grow it in a bowl.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know how they did it because I'm a.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But someone very sworn when it comes,

[Joe Rogan]

stuff like that, someone very smart figured out how to make a bladder.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But if it works for you and you believe it, who am I to.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you mean believe it? Like she, she's got a bladder now?

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, if you believe what, fine. But I mean, I mean, fine. That's good.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, if you ever get injured, holler at me. I'll bring it a ways to, well, get you some stem cells and then we'll have another conversation afterwards. You're like, wow, it fixed it that.

[Terry Bradshaw]

We're not arguing here.

[Joe Rogan]

No, we're not arguing, but I'm saying.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But I just.

[Joe Rogan]

There's, there's real reasons why these people travel to Tijuana and go to these different places and they die in tij.

[Terry Bradshaw]

What was a great actor that went to Mexico to have all the stem cells done and who did that? He was the ghost. What was his name? The actor also went to Mexico, died. Two, Two actors went down there for stem cells. When stem cells first came out, you know, they wouldn't do it. Remember when they wouldn't do it in America?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So they were going to Germany and they were going to Mexico.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, Germany was a lot for Reginakine. Yeah, they were going for.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Because I know Fred Couples was going to.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I mean Kobe Bryant went to Germany. Peyton Manning went to Germany. They went to Germany.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

For regenerachine, which is like a very. That's not stem cells as much. That's something.

[Terry Bradshaw]

What is it?

[Joe Rogan]

It's a very advanced form of platelet rich Plasma, like prp. It's like prp, but it's way more effective. I had that done too. That cured a bulging disc for me.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Now one of the things they're doing now, and I don't know what it is, I don't know how I got on this, by the way, but stem cells. Yeah, but cancer is. Now what are they? What is it, what's it called where you go in, they spin your blood and they then put it back in you for. What is that called? You.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what, prp, that's what we're just talking about. Platelet rich plasma.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Then put it back in.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Look, there's a. Well, there's a bunch of different things. Plasma phoresis, it's another thing. They take the plasma out, I don't know why.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And I'm not sitting here, I'm not sitting here saying, hey, Joe, you're crazy. All right, you did it.

[Joe Rogan]

You wouldn't be the first.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, you did it. You believe in it. It happened for you, you know. All right, I don't mind taking a shot. I'll take a shot all day long.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay?

[Terry Bradshaw]

You don't. You put anything in your body with a needle.

[Joe Rogan]

Anything? Not anything. I mean, I'm pretty careful about it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I would hope so. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't just try it out. Let's see what happens when I put this in my body with a needle.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, yeah, it's. Look, I got a sister in law, this one that's totally this way and I'm totally that way. You're one way and I'm. And that's good. That's what makes the world.

[Joe Rogan]

What does the sister in law do? What do you mean? Well, what does that mean? Is she a liberal?

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, absolutely not. Very much.

[Joe Rogan]

Republican.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Conservative. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so how is she different than you?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, if it works, and I think it's going to work, I'm not afraid to try it.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Terry Bradshaw]

When I got diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis and I'm laying in a hospital and they take me and they isolate me, isolate me because they didn't know what was wrong with me. Test, test, test, test. Boy, I'm in a hurry then to go in and do I want to say stem cells? I want to say it because that's the first thing that comes to mind. Went into my knee and I sat in the hospital for two more days and felt fine. And then they released me and I went home. And I was home one day and in the middle of the night I'm screaming and hollering in pain. My wife, she gets up and then, thank God. At that time I owned a plane so I could get on the plane and get back to Florida and got down there and that's when they found out I had rheumatoid arthritis. And they had to bring a specialist in to find out what the hell was going on with.

[Joe Rogan]

So is it only the knees?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, only the knee. Okay. Only the knee. That's where the knee. I never. There's no. There's no rheumatoid arthritis in my family. None.

[Joe Rogan]

You can't find it anywhere. Rheumatoid arthritis. Systemic. When most people have it, don't they have it everywhere? That's what I thought.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, yeah, but look it.

[Joe Rogan]

But if you have it in here.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But look, this finger's just turning. That thumb's just now turning my hands right now. Because I'm not. I don't take any medicine. The only thing that hurts in the morning before I take. I take a. Do you take Celebrex? Do you believe in Celebrex?

[Joe Rogan]

What is Celebrex?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Celebre. Anti. Inflammatory.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I don't.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay. I take an inflammatory in the morning. Okay. I take an anti. Inflammatory and that makes. That takes about 80% of the pain away. Doesn't hurt anywhere else. Now my hip is starting to kill me. My ankle was killing me.

[Joe Rogan]

How about. How many years did you play football for?

[Terry Bradshaw]

14. 14. Professional. That's four. That's high school, junior high, high school, college, professional. And I played back in the 70s when, I mean, come on. Yeah, hit the fan back then, right?

[Joe Rogan]

What were the surgeries like back then?

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know, I was tough. Yeah, back then. They shoot you up, you know, you. You're gonna play. That's how it was. You're going to play. When I pulled my stomach muscles and they were. Shoot me up before the game, and then at halftime I'd get shot up again. What were they shooting? Block. I tore. I torn the. The oblique.

[Joe Rogan]

You tore your oblique and they just made you keep playing?

[Terry Bradshaw]

They didn't make me, but I wanted to keep playing.

[Joe Rogan]

What were they shooting you up with? Cortisone or something?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Stuff. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Stuff.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't know, Joe. I'm not a doctor. Come on, man. Are you a doctor? Hey, let me just say this. I could play.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, I get it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I didn't have a problem with it.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Worked scary. You don't want your legs up in the air and some doctor coming in there and didn't give it. Didn't give it a thought.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Terry Bradshaw]

At all. You know, just, it's. It's kind of the way it was. It's. It was the unspoken bravado.

[Joe Rogan]

Got it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. You know that football players say back in the. Can you imagine the 50s and the 60s?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my goodness.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Jeez Louise.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, what year did you start playing professionally?

[Terry Bradshaw]

70.

[Joe Rogan]

70. Wow.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm 77. Wow, you're what, 50?

[Joe Rogan]

58.

[Terry Bradshaw]

58.

[Joe Rogan]

Almost 59.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I'm 77. Yeah. So he just didn't think anything about it. I said, well, how'd you get used to all that? I grew up with it. When you grow up with it, it's normal. Normal, yeah. It's all part of the. You play. And as a quarterback, I think back then, or anytime quarterbacks play, coaches got to know that he can rely on his quarterback to be out there and no matter what. And I even had one coach say, hey, you always play hurt? You always play hurt? Yeah, I do. Don't know. Shoot me up. Knock it.

[Joe Rogan]

Shoot me up with stuff.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, let's have it.

[Joe Rogan]

Stuff.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't ask what it is. You just. You want to hear us? We played Cincinnati one year, and the night before the game, there's a lineup of players going into a room to be shot up.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yo. Yeah. Yeah. It's just normal.

[Joe Rogan]

And you don't know what they were shooting them up with.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, we played, didn't we? I told you stuff and you didn't think anything of it. Nobody.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

It was just normal, normal, normal.

[Joe Rogan]

You gotta play.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, he's a doctor. Hey, it's part of the. You know. And everybody hates, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Did they have steroids back then?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, they did. I just didn't. I didn't know why. One player was built like Atlas, skin tight, muscles bulging. Didn't know he, you know, didn't know anything about it. Howie Long. You never had Howie on the.

[Joe Rogan]

Howie's amazing. No, I've never had Howie.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Howie's amazing. Howie tells this story. He was a rookie defensive tackler, no defensive end at this time. He lined up over our tight end, Larry Brown, whose arms were this big around and he was. Had like a 22 inch waist, massive legs, ripped every muscle. You could see the muscles in most gorgeous body on a human being you've ever seen. And he put his. He put his arm. He put his arm down, you know, getting in position and how he lined up over him and how he tells us how he's the best and how he goes, you gotta be effing kidding me. He said he'd never seen anything like that. So I'm not saying. Larry, did steroids or anything like that, but he was.

[Joe Rogan]

But he might have.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Might have. I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

They might have. Some people were.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What year did steroids enter into sports?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, I think it came. I think it became an issue after the 70s. Correct.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it was an issue in the Olympics, and one of the things they were noticing was Eastern block women. They weren't very.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm gonna do an interview. Okay. Nancy.

[Joe Rogan]

They were very womenly. Yeah, they. They seemed to. And then those women reported about it. They talked about it back in the day that, you know, that they were forced to take steroids and it ruined their life and not good for you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially for a woman to take. Hyper male. For sure.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You and I could probably sit here and talk about certain athletes that have had such a body change. All right.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, for sure.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And go, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Got to be killed. Kidding me. Yeah. And then I think rightly or. Or justifiably so, it was probably due to steroids. We wouldn't want to say that. Wouldn't want to mention it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I know a lot of guys have taken steroids, especially because of the early days of the ufc. Yeah, Everybody was taking steroids.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. You can't.

[Joe Rogan]

And pride. In Japan, everyone was taking steroids.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, It.

[Joe Rogan]

Not everyone, but most people. A lot. Rampage. Didn't. But there's a good percentage.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Found out what you found out later, that steroids are not good for you. They soften the tendons, the ligaments, and you never. And then all of a sudden, these athletes start having problems. They start getting hurt. They start getting hurt. Start getting hurt. And, you know, I think what happens

[Joe Rogan]

is the muscles are too strong for the tendons because tendons take too long. They don't grow at the same pace as muscle tissue does when you're on steroids. They don't have the same sort of circulation.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't think about steroids. I don't know. I don't know the dynamics or the physiology, the physics of it. I know the muscles get big.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But the tendons don't grow what it is, the muscles.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly. It takes longer for tendons to strengthen. Tendons don't have as much circulation. They don't have a good blood supply. That's why it's so hard when a tendon gets injured. Injured to heal.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So what happens a lot of times is these Guys develop these massive muscles, and they can move so much more weight, but the tendons haven't really caught up, up to what the muscles can do. And a lot of times, these guys wind up blowing out tendons.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I mean, the. The. That wrestling bunch. I mean, every one of those guys look like an Adonis.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Especially back in the day.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Hey, Schwarzenegger.

[Joe Rogan]

Schwarzenegger. Yeah. Well, he's open about it. You know, he took a lot of stuff.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know what? We know it. Someone say it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

We're not stupid.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's a sport where it's required if you want to be Mr. Olympia. It's. No. There's no way to get that kind of a body without steroids. Doesn't exist.

[Terry Bradshaw]

What about the. The. What about the WrestleMania bunch? You were part of that.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm sure I wasn't. I wasn't a part of that, but I'm sure a bunch of those. No, no, no.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

No, but I'm sure a bunch of those guys probably take it, too. That's how you get big, you know? And if you're a wrestler and you want to be on WrestleMania, if you want to be a professional wrestler, you want to be this hulking figure, there's one way to do it. You got to take steroids. You know, it's not a normal physique for someone to attain, and you don't

[Terry Bradshaw]

get tested for it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, exactly. That's why the early days of the ufc, there was no testing. Testing. And then when it started getting sanctioned, then we were tested by athletic commissions, and then eventually the UFC realized we've got a real problem where these guys are figuring out how to beat the athletic commission's testing because it's only one day. So it was really more. They. They would call it an intelligence test rather than an IQ test.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And so then they started using usada, and USADA would just randomly test people, and then they started catching people, and that's when physiques really change.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. I. You know, that year. I'll say it, that year, when those baseball players are hitting 60 home runs like it was nothing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And they were. You're looking at them and going, she.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That was the best.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They should give them all steroids. It's the only time baseball's fun.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'll tell you what it was.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

The viewers were tuning in a hundred percent. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The Mark McGuire, Sammy Sosa days. Barry Bonds. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Barry went from 185 to.

[Joe Rogan]

I met Barry when he was normal sized.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When he was like a normal athlete. And then he just got giant. But also he was a great baseball player first. And then you give him all those steroids and now he's got all this muscle and he's just cracking them out of the park. Those are the good old days. They should have looked away. They should have turned their head away. Boy, I tell you, I don't see nothing. They should have. Everybody should have shut the fuck up and let these guys take steroids. Let's go. Do you like home runs or not? Let's go.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's from Joe Rogan, ladies.

[Joe Rogan]

That's me.

[Terry Bradshaw]

We'll be back in a minute.

[Joe Rogan]

The problem is it's the great American pastime. And you don't want to associate the great American pastime with what people think is cheating.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But that's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you look.

[Terry Bradshaw]

There's guys that didn't need to do it to be in the hall of Fame. And they're getting barred from the hall of Fame.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Barry's one of them. Barry was a great player without.

[Joe Rogan]

Fantastic player. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Mark McGuire.

[Joe Rogan]

So is Mark McGuire and so was Sammy Sosa.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Didn't need it. I don't. Maybe they didn't think they'd be noticed. Maybe didn't think they'd get caught. Maybe these guys got giant.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know how they didn't think the people would notice. They got. They got enormous.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

But you know, hey, it is what it is. I mean, it was a fun time, though. Yeah, Fun time for baseball.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know, I remember people asking me, said, you didn't know your guys are on steroids. And hell, I didn't know what steroids was. I remember one time I was at the hall of Fame, someone. That was the question that came to me about steroids. I didn't know any better. I said, well, hell, everybody takes steroids. I took steroids for this, you know. But not antibiotic still.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. He took cortisone.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. I didn't. I didn't correlate the two different. The differences. And one guy comes up to me, you idiot. It's. There's two types at least we know of. And I went, I didn't know.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, that's actually fun.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm. You know what? Let me tell you the truth.

[Joe Rogan]

Tell me the truth.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm glad. I'm glad that I was blindfolded. I'm glad my brain didn't function like that. I'm glad I didn't look at anybody and go, what's he own? I don't look. I just. Hell, I just. They're lifting weights, brother. They're just lifting weights. God bless them, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's a good attitude to have.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. And then they say, well, your team was on steroids. Well, if that's the case, wasn't illegal. Everybody was doing it.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Not only that, but let's be realistic. Most teams were on steroids because you're professionals and you want to do your best. And if you got a bunch of guys and the way they could do their best is to be as strong as they possibly can be, they're gonna take steroids. Especially when it's legal.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, it just.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You don't want to say it was a product of the times, but in essence, it was.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, every time the times change, when there's something effective that comes along like steroids, you're gonna have a bunch of people that want an edge. And, you know, there was a time where people thought of creatine like steroids. Yeah, right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Creatine is a very beneficial supplement that everybody should take. It's great for your brain. It's great for mitochondrial function. It's great for muscle.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Blueberries are good for your brain.

[Joe Rogan]

Blueberries are good for your brain.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Franco Harris used to tell me, brad, are you eating a lot of blueberries? I said, franco, you're not gonna believe this, but I buy blueberries all the time because of you. Yeah. It's good for your brain. Good for your brain.

[Joe Rogan]

They are.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And I love blueberries.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, A lot of antioxidants in them, too. Yeah. Blueberries are just great, Period, Period. But. But, you know, when you're Doing things for your body. When you're a professional athlete, it's, of course there's going to be a bunch of people that are on steroids. Like, yeah, if you want to get bigger, that's the way to do it. Like, what are we doing here? We lying?

[Terry Bradshaw]

You think they do it today?

[Joe Rogan]

Do you think they don't do it today?

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's the real question I asked you.

[Joe Rogan]

They definitely do something. They do whatever the. They can get away with how big

[Terry Bradshaw]

these kids are coming out of high school.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there's also genetics. Like, people change.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, kids. Kids nowadays are eating better, training better,

[Joe Rogan]

eating better, more nutrition.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Exactly, exactly. They're huge. They're huge. You know, I think my offensive line in the 70s averaged about maybe 260. 260. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

£100 difference than today, right?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Now you're loving these coaches. My offensive line this year gonna be 6, 5, 3, 7 2. And you go, whoa, now can they move? And then they'll say something like, like, but got quick feet. Okay, got quick feet. I love quick feet.

[Joe Rogan]

It's crazy. When you see some of these guys doing the 40.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You. You go, You've been on sideline.

[Joe Rogan]

I've watched videos. I haven't been live.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Go to the sideline.

[Joe Rogan]

Go to 7ft tall. 440 pounds. That's crazy. 7 foot 380. Oh, my God, look at that. That. As an eighth grader. Go back to that picture. As an eighth grader. He was 6 foot 10, 450 pounds in junior high school.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Junior high school, Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I, you know, I. Desmond Weston. Look at the. Desmond Watson.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Where's he going?

[Joe Rogan]

464 pounds, heaviest player.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Wow. Oh, he's in the NFL.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. NFL history. 464 pounds. That's so big.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Here's what I'll say about my guys. My guys could put on their pants and that. Nothing rolled over.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I see what you're saying.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, they were flat belly. They were in shape because we ran a knot. We ran a. Our game was all about motion traps and specials and leads and stuff like that. They had to run. They had to run and they ran. And if they were 400 pounds, you gonna pull this guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

400 pounds. I mean, so I. If I were coach today, just my. My thinking what I want. I want an athletic guy. I don't want a big guy. I want. I don't want a guy that you go, all right, we're going to do gassers. Billy, John, William, William Earl. Y' all go ahead and go on and get a shower. No. 380, whatever. They can. They can't run gassers, right? They can't run gassers.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know, run the mile. We had to run a Steeler mile every year when we got to training camp. Well, if you're 325, £30. Now, I don't want to pigeonhole everybody because there are some guys I've seen in the NFL that I've walked by before the game started. And I turned it to Howie. Howie's always at. We're always together. I went, holy.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't there a utility, though? Isn't there a value, a function of a big giant dude that maybe can't run gassers but can stop a play dead in its tracks because you're running into a brick wall?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Right? Maybe he's only got to go five yards.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I'm saying.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. But that wasn't how I was brought up.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That wasn't what I was taught.

[Joe Rogan]

But obviously you're a fan of the game still and you still watch the game. How much has the game changed from when? Like 1970, your first year. I'm talking about it, but like big. But would you imagine that the guys from 1970 would fit right into today's game?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Size. Joe Green made the hall of fame at 275. Difficult tackle. 275. Jack Lambert, 218. Admitted linebacker. Hall of famer. Jack.

[Joe Rogan]

How big was Jim Brown in his prime?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Jim Brown? I, I never played against Jim Brown. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

It was before your time. But how big was Jim Brown?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Probably to what, 220, maybe 215.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that crazy?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. So I, I always, I always say, size wise, we can't do it. And then of course, you want to really get into it, then talk about money and stuff like that. But size wise, size wise, now I will say this. The wide receivers, the quarterbacks and running backs could play today and probably the tight ends. But then when you get my center weigh 252. And I always say, since I'm in the cattle business, I'll take a little young bull. I'll take my Angus bull over your Charolais bull. Anytime your Charolais bull is going to be. Or Simmental is going to be huge up off the ground, but my Angus bull's gonna get under him and be able to control him with, with, with, with technique.

[Joe Rogan]

And wait a minute, you got bulls fighting each other?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is that what you're Saying, no, Joe, you're not listening. See?

[Joe Rogan]

Try to listen.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You're okay. You get some rest last night? Just okay? Good.

[Joe Rogan]

Fully rested. Everything right? Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Got a big bull, the little bull. He's already got the leverage because he's under the big bull.

[Joe Rogan]

Got it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

The big bull's got to get down to get leverage on the little bull. He's got all the mass and the weight.

[Joe Rogan]

Outnumb like Mike Tyson in his prime. Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's a bad sucker.

[Joe Rogan]

Bad. As bad as it gets.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Baddest man ever.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He came in a restaurant I was in, and he saw him and he came over and he pulled up a chair. There was a owl. And I'm sitting over here next to the wall. And then there's dinner chairs here. He went over, he pulled up a chair, slid over, blocked the aisle. And we talked about Johnny and I for an hour. Wow. Mike Tyson. That's pretty cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's a giant fan of all kinds of athletes, you know, I mean, that guy studies. He studies warriors and athletes and former generals, and he's really. Oh, he knows so much about Genghis Khan. Me and we had this long conversation. He knew his original name, which is Temujin. Yeah, I did. I knew a lot about it. Well, not a lot, I would say, but I. I got pretty obsessed and I. There's a guy named Dan Carlin. He's got a fantastic series called Hardcore History. Yeah, it's a podcast, and he had this series on Genghis Khan called the Wrath of the Khan. And that. That got me obsessed. That opened up the door, and then I started reading books on Genghis Khan and watching documentaries, and I got obsessed.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I'm a huge documentary guy, but

[Joe Rogan]

he knew so much about Genghis Khan. He knew his original name, which was Temujin. He knew his whole story about how he was born with a blood clot in his hand. Mike knew everything about it. Yeah, Mike studies like conquerors, you know. He's like, really know that. Yeah. You know, he's a very smart guy,

[Terry Bradshaw]

that people would know that.

[Joe Rogan]

Mike is a very interesting guy. He's not. He's not what people think of. If you think of Mike Tyson as being this, like, mindless destroyer now. He's very intelligent.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Do you ever. You ever. You ever. You ever think about why do. Why do athletes. I have an image. My image was I was the dumb guy. You ever. Have you ever asked yourself a question, why. Why is your opinion about Mike Tyson so different now since you interviewed him, but prior to that, that wasn't out in the press, was it?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I mean, maybe later in his career,

[Joe Rogan]

but you, you'd have to, you watch a guy fight like that and he fought so brutally, and if you weren't a student of boxing, you wouldn't understand like the amount of thinking that has to take place to get that. Good, good. Like, it's not just that he's just running at people and punching them. He's bobbing and weaving. He's being incredibly elusive. He's shifting his weight to the left and shifting his weight to the right. He's cutting angles like a middleweight. He's doing things to these guys that they've never seen a heavyweight do before. And he also was a giant student of boxing. So his manager was a guy named

[Terry Bradshaw]

Jim Jacobs, a short guy who was

[Joe Rogan]

like 511 in his.

[Terry Bradshaw]

There you go, there's the bull.

[Joe Rogan]

There's the bull issue right there, like 20 inch neck. I mean, he was a tank. And he, his manager was this guy, Jim Jacobs. Jim Jacobs was a boxing historian and he had all of these old film reels of everyone from Jack Johnson to Stanley Ketchel to Jack Dempsey, like all the old time fighters. And Mike would watch those on a, all day long. So he would train and they would watch these guys all day long. So he had an access to film footage that most fighters, all you could see is the guys in the gym and the guys that you saw fight live. Back in those days in the 80s, there was no, there was no VHS tapes. You know, there was there was no like real tapes of boxing that you could watch back then. So when Mike, this is when Mike was like 13. So Mike was 13 years old and he's watching film of the greatest Sugar Ray Robinson, the greatest boxers of all time, Willie Pep, Rocky Marciano. He's watching all these guys and absorbing their styles and figuring out like, it takes intelligence to do that. Like it's not, that's not what a dumb guy would do. A dumb guy wouldn't see. Oh, when he does this, it's because of that. So he can avoid the counter and duck underneath and hit him at an angle where he can't hit him. Beautiful. I'm going to incorporate that into my training and figure out how to, how to find those patterns. In Spy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I always thought, because you hear a counterpunch, do you know how hard it is? And I'm not a boxer, but when someone swing, you watch their training. And then, and then they'll say, when does this counter punch? Do you know how fast that. You know how fast that brain.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Has to work for you to counter punch.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you have to be lightning fast, lightning fast. And you have to have trained it a thousand times.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You want to be hit all day long in the face, in the stomach.

[Joe Rogan]

Tough way to make a living. But so is football. And especially back when you guys were playing when they would just shoot you up.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Different for sure, but not boxing. Holy cow. I met Muhammad Ali one time. I was six, three and a half. I'm six one and a half now. And I was looking up to him, and I'm sure he wasn't any taller, but I was looking up to him because I was so impressed. And you know, we had a great first time meeting. He was a fan of mine. I didn't know it. It was like, like that made me great. And I went to a couple of banquets that he was at and he had send notes down to me to come down and say hello to him. Well, he's, you know, I'm gonna bother him. And I'd go, I'd go down. Hey, hey, hey, champ. How you doing? Terry Bradshaw. Yeah, yeah. Hey, have you heard this one? He tell me a joke. A joke. That's the last thing I expected, you know, from Muhammad Ali. Yeah. But I loved Muhammad Ali.

[Joe Rogan]

That was an incredible, incredibly intelligent guy. Guy and also the first guy to figure out how to get attention by talking.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And we hated him. First up, I didn't like him. Did you like him?

[Joe Rogan]

I loved him, but I didn't like. I was younger when I didn't like him.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I, I grew up in an era of respect, right? You respect your opponent. You don't say anything bad about them. You give them all the praise. When it's all said, you respect your. Don't show. Show both. You don't do anything. You don't run into the end zone. You don't do this. You respect your opponent. And that's the way that I was raised. And that's how. And that, and actually the way I was coached. And I had a, I had a hard time, a hard time when Billy White Shoes Johnson of Houston would get in the end zone, he'd start doing that dance and everything. I don't like it at all. And Billy White Shoes is a. He's a good dude, you know, and, and, But I didn't like it. I just don't like. I don't like any athlete drawing attention to himself. If you're playing tennis or golf, okay, that's one thing, because it's you. But when you're playing a team, a team event, everybody. Somebody else had to do that job, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I just had a hard time.

[Joe Rogan]

I see what you're saying.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

In the team sport. But in boxing. Boxing is just one on one. But I still didn't like it, even in boxing, Bragging and. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Now I look back now, of course, I love it now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But he knew what he was doing.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's psychological warfare. Yeah, that's what it is. I mean, he had Sonny Liston so confused. Before he fought him, he would show up at Sonny Liston's house in, like, the middle of the night and stand on his lawn, scream at him. Yeah, he was just. With that guy's head. He was climbing inside of his head and, like, making sure that all day long he's thinking about him. And. And he also thought he was a legitimate insane person. Like, the way he was acting, he was not acting like a rational person. So he was worried all the time. So he's like, worry you're around this insane person. Well, you ever see the video where

[Terry Bradshaw]

they better be extreme? You listen, if. If you can do. If you can do that and back it up.

[Joe Rogan]

Which he did.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He did. Then I tip my ad to you.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you ever see the video where they ran into each other at a casino?

[Terry Bradshaw]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

So Sonny Liston was at a casino. I think Sonny was playing cards. And Muhammad Ali, back when he was Cassius Clay, came up behind him, and he starts ranting and raving and saying crazy and get. And Sonny pulls out a gun and shoots it into the air, and everybody scatters. It was a blank gun, but he anticipated that Ali was going to do that to him, so he said, I'm going to scare the out of this. You think you want to play crazy? Let's play crazy crazy. See if you can find that video. Jamie. The video is amazing. It's amazing because he just pulls this and then he shows. He, like, shoots. Here it is. Put your headphones on real quick. Grab his headphones. Yeah, pull it up. Pull it. Bring it back to the beginning. Yeah. The whole situation finally came to a head when Clay approached Liston at the Desert Inn in Las Vegas, where the champ was shooting craps and losing. Liston was in no mood to be harangued by the mouth from the south.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Drawing a gun, Sonny fired, frightening his

[Joe Rogan]

young tormentor into a hasty retreat. The gun was filled with blanks. So you shot the gun into his jacket to show everybody that it was just a blank. That is Crazy, though. So he was prepared. Isn't that funny?

[Terry Bradshaw]

He had blanks. That's crazy, brother.

[Joe Rogan]

That's pretty smart.

[Terry Bradshaw]

It's it. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because, like, you got this guy's acting crazy. Like, I'm going to out crazy him. I don't want to shoot anybody, but I'm going to out crazy him. Give me a gun with some blanks and just pull it out in the

[Terry Bradshaw]

M. Alex bin had a huge lawsuit because he pulled out whether the gun was a blank and killed somebody. I mean, it's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, that was a problem with the person who was handling the guns.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

But what. Okay, if that wasn't even sunny listen. What do you mean that wasn't sunny listen? That absolutely was sunny. Liston says it's from a movie, bro. That's Sunny L. Himself dramatizing retelling of his own life. The man with the gun is an actor. Not saying. Let me see that again. It was a movie set. What?

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's what it says.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's a recreation of the actual scene that happened. There's no real footage of Liston firing a gun at Ali. What dramatic clip circulating online? The one in nearly every rare footage post is a scene from a 1977 film called the Greatest. Oh, I saw that movie. So let me see it again. Can I see the video again? That's crazy. That's crazy. I would have swore that's Sonny Liston. You're listening to a narrator talk, and this one even has a narrator.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Wasn't Sunny Liston bald?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no. Sunny, listen. Wasn't bald.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that isn't Sonny Liston. Well, the video's so blurry.

[Terry Bradshaw]

All right, there you have it.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. That's not Sonny Liston. Oh, my God. I feel like such a dumbass. Find footage of Sonny Liston training. So he was. For back in the day, he was the scariest heavyweight. Sonny Liston was the guy. He was he in prison. What's that?

[Terry Bradshaw]

When he went to prison?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he went to prison, but it was the way he won the title, the way he knocked out Floyd Patterson. It looked like Floyd Patterson had no business being in there with him. He was that good, that good and that big. And a lot of people going into that fight thought Muhammad Ali had no chance. They thought that he was going to get killed because, you know, Ali was a very good fighter who's up and coming fast, really fast with his footwork and his movement. But everybody thought that it was just a matter of time before Liston got him. That's crazy. I Recognize that guy? That actor. Is that the actor that was in Magnum PI I think it is. The actor's name is Roger E. Moseley.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Magnum BI. Aha.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Look at you.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at me.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You proud of yourself?

[Joe Rogan]

A little bit. I feel slightly better now, but I'm ashamed that I didn't realize that that wasn't actually Sonny Liston. So find some footage of Sonny Liston training, even on this. Some of this, I think, has already got some AI Footage in it, but. Oh, really? Well, this f. There's footage of him hitting the. There's honey. And this footage of Sunny hitting the bag. And he would just put these holes in the back. He had just murderous punching power. He was such a dangerous guy. And everyone was scared of him back then, you know, because he was this towering, hulking figure doctor. Had massive hands, and, I mean, he would brutalize his sparring partners. I mean, Sonny Liston was putting people away. I mean, he had. Look at the size of his hands. Just gigantic hands and tremendous power. But, you know, Ali figured out a way to just

[Terry Bradshaw]

took him out was even that big a punch.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the second fight. That's the Lewiston, Maine fight. Yeah, that's the fight when they fought in Lewiston, Maine. And that one is very tricky because in that. So he would hit guys with jabs and have them rocked. His. His hands were so massive, and his power was so extraordinary.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. You ever boxed?

[Joe Rogan]

I did some boxing. I did. I did it. I did it kickboxing, but I didn't do any, like, sport boxing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Boxing?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Get that bad enough. You hit me with your fist. Don't kick me with your feet. I don't want any part of that. But I boxed one time. One round.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And I said that.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, again. It's like. It's like cooking duck. It's something you got to learn how to do. You can't just jump in and think you're going to be good at it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, well, I wasn't good at it. And not only that. That. I don't want to be hit.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Not fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, back in the day, in your. Your day, the. The way guys would treat getting hit if you got hit, there was no, like, take a game off, get evaluated. No nothing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Concussion protocol.

[Joe Rogan]

Hop right back in, son. Are you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I. I played against the Minnesota. No, the Miami Dolphins in a playoff game, and I got knocked out. Out. And I mean knocked out. And I guess I came to in the fourth quarter. I went back in Played pretty good, too.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Not bad. Lost the game, but yeah, you woke

[Joe Rogan]

up and then they put you back in after you woke up?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, I, I, Something like that. Wow. I went out in the first quarter. I think I scored her on touchdown, Kept it, got knocked out and came back in the fourth quarter. Yeah, different, different, different. Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Nowadays, if a player gets knocked out, how much time do they make them take off?

[Terry Bradshaw]

They're going to a tent, and now you have a concussion guy in the booth representing the NFL. So they, they'll tell you, get him out.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And they go into a tent and they get evaluated. More than likely, if they've been stunned, they're not going back in.

[Joe Rogan]

And how much time do they make them take off before they let them play again?

[Terry Bradshaw]

But they have to get evaluated every week, so it could be, yo, what, what is that?

[Joe Rogan]

Little baby cigars. So when you don't want to finish a big one. Oh, little tiny ones. They're little Monte Cristos.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, okay.

[Joe Rogan]

I like these sometimes. All right, so, but when they do that, and These guys are KO'd today, if they get knocked out, do they have like a 30 day rule?

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, it's not 30 days, but they do go. It's a week. It's. They go in, they keep getting about, keep getting evaluated, and they have to. You'll have, you'll have some guys.

[Joe Rogan]

There's no set timeline for discovery.

[Terry Bradshaw]

There you go.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, for recovery, rather, players must progress through these graded exertion phases without any increase in symptoms. Symptom, limited activity, prescribed rest with limited physical and cognitive activity, transitioning to light stretching and monitored light aerobic exercise. So with the ufc, when a guy gets knocked out, generally athletic commissions put a hold on them. Like, like it's a 90 day hold. And then some of them have like 60 day no contact. So they're not even allowed to spar for 60 days.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You get knocked out and that brain gets rattled like that. If the best game I played in high school, the best game I played in high school, a guy by the name of Larry Brewer. I fumbled coming out of the pocket in high school against Menden High School. I'm rolling to the right and I think the ball hits my left and it hits the ground and it's. And I'm chasing it, and about the time I get to the ball and get my hands on it and pick my head up, boom, out, out. I don't remember anything. And then I'm back in the game. And I mean, it's the best game. I played in high school. Dead serious. Best game I played in high school. Maybe I wasn't worried, I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's what I was going to ask you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Crazy. You know, And I wonder if that's. I went in. Listen, I went. I've been to a couple of clinics just for. Just for brain work. Just to get. Get checked out. Yeah. All the tests that they could possibly do. Extensive test, because I was having trouble remembering that. Opened the gate. Gate. Did I open the gate this morning?

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Right where I did.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I opened the gate. I'm sure I opened the gate and I'd push the button. And when the button's green, the gate is moving. And then it goes red. It stopped. I mean, it goes yellow. It stopped. Then I push a button, it goes red. It's holding. It's staying open. Six times. I remember six times. And I'm like, did I push this button Then I remember. I remember. Okay, this. Something's wrong a second. Someone got checked. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How long ago was this?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Years ago. Years. 30 plus years.

[Joe Rogan]

And did they do something for you?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Golly. Did they? No, I don't think so. I don't think I. I don't think anything came. I remember testing. I got tested and found out I had add, which was. Which was not a shocker, but was

[Joe Rogan]

a shocker because I. I think everybody has that.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody's any good at anything has it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Creative people have add.

[Joe Rogan]

Creative people and people that are, like, really into one thing. Yeah, like full on into it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, they said, well, you're focused. This. That. Yeah, but when I'm fishing, I'm focused.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

When I'm showing horses, I don't have a problem. I'm focus. But if I'm taking geometry or going to ch.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No interest.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No interest. So, yeah, so that's that.

[Joe Rogan]

If I'm learning something I'm not interested in, I have no focus.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I mean, you got to sit here and study all this stuff for all these different people, right? And I know you got to be interested in them.

[Joe Rogan]

You have to be interested.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yes, you got to be.

[Joe Rogan]

But then I come there. People that don't have a problem being interested and they can study anything, and God bless them. I'm not one of those people. I have to be interested in what I'm.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You had Bradley Cooper on Love Bradley. Yeah, he did. He's awesome with the. The. The brain guy, the atom bomb.

[Joe Rogan]

Oppenheimer.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oppenheimer.

[Joe Rogan]

He was in that movie. Well, that's right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He Directed it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And he was in it. He was. He directed it, right, I think. No, he did.

[Joe Rogan]

He did, right?

[Terry Bradshaw]

He did.

[Joe Rogan]

He directed. What's that? That's right. It's Christopher Nolan.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Directed.

[Joe Rogan]

Directed. But Bradley Oppenheimer.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yes. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

What was his role? He's been in so many things.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Wasn't he in Oppenheimer? Okay. Oh, my bad.

[Joe Rogan]

What are you thinking of?

[Terry Bradshaw]

The music guy, Maestro. Yeah. He directed that and starred in it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Phenomenal.

[Joe Rogan]

I was trying to agree with you. I was like, what was Bradley and Oppenheimer? I haven't seen Oppenheimer in a couple of years.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I was just checking to see if you were on paying attention.

[Joe Rogan]

That dude who played Oppenheimer, he won an Oscar.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Did he win an Oscar?

[Joe Rogan]

At least he was up for Murphy, right? Yeah. That guy is phenomenal. And what, Cillian Murphy. Cillian Murphy. Well, anyway, he's phenomenal in Peaky Blinders.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Anybody that can act has got my attention because Cooper. Bradley's.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, real acting, Right?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Real acting.

[Joe Rogan]

Real acting. I've done some sitcom acting. That shit's pretty easy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And you were probably Joe, Right? I play Joe, and I'm Terry Bradshaw and I've done like, five movies and people say, oh, man, you're that. No, no, no, no.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm no actor, but like, you know, Daniel Day Lewis type acting. Whoa. That's him. Him. That's crazy. Yeah, that's crazy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's Bradley.

[Joe Rogan]

My God, he was makeup.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He was amazing in that movie.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that crazy? They can make it look that realistic. That is nuts. Leonard Bernstein.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, there you go.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Good. Did you see the movie?

[Joe Rogan]

Amazing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You see it?

[Joe Rogan]

I did not.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, when you had him on here, did you tell him you saw it?

[Joe Rogan]

I did not. I would have probably. I'd be like, oh, yeah, sorry.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, hey. It's like, I had a guy, we went back to high school and met the assistant trainer for the first time in years. I didn't know his name. And this buddy of mine. How you doing, man? Get over here. I'm like, he knows this. And they're going on. Give me. Give me a. Give me a hug, you know? You son of a gun. And for why he did this, I'll never know. He goes, what's my name? What's my name? He said that to him. What's my name? And I'm over there and I'm like, oh, my God, this is hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

That is hilarious.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He didn't have a clue. He'd have a Clue.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he probably forgot if he left the gate open, too. I mean, give the guy a break. May have give the guy a break, but still had a few head gangs.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know what I do all the time and I'll tell people this.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Look, I don't. What's your name again? Joe. Joe. Joe. Hey. I may ask you again what your name is, and then I may ask you again, but I'm going to get your name right. I don't want to sit here and not know.

[Joe Rogan]

People get that. I don't think people should get. Yeah, I don't think they should get.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't think you get. Because here's what I'm saying.

[Joe Rogan]

This is a thing that happens to people, and it definitely happens to people that meet too many people. Do you know what Dunbar's number is?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is? No.

[Joe Rogan]

Dunbar's number is a number of people that you can keep in your memory because we evolved in tribal societies of small groups of people.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Where are you getting all this?

[Joe Rogan]

I just remember things.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Somebody tell you this?

[Joe Rogan]

Somebody? Oh, definitely. I didn't study it. This is Dunbar's number. So the max amount of relationships a person can maintain. Oh, yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Which one are you?

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Where are you? Where are you?

[Joe Rogan]

Where do you mean? Where are you?

[Terry Bradshaw]

In the.

[Joe Rogan]

In five, you are zero, your patient zero and five are the people that are very close to you. So that's your support people. And then 15 are your sympathy group. They're not quite as close as, like, the closest people to you, but they're pretty close. And then there's a close network of 50 people. Then you have a personal network of 150 people. You have 500 acquaintances, and then 1500 people that are recognizable.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know what's funny? I make this bad habit. We all have bad habits. My bad habit is always friend of mine. I know Henry. Win. I know Henry.

[Joe Rogan]

I know Henry, too. I did a movie with him once. He's a great guy. Sweetheart.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And my. My wife says. And I'll say, I have his number. I have his number in my phone, and I do have Henry's number. But I'll say, well, so and so. Oh. Because I've met them, I automatically associate them with being my friend.

[Joe Rogan]

I do the same thing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. It's just my wife will say, when did you talk to them last? Well, there's people I haven't talked to

[Joe Rogan]

for years and years and years. But you know my friends. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. I like a lot of.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm a friendly guy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. I like a lot of people I do. But in my circle, we all surround ourselves. Our best friends are people that we have a lot in common with, and we share common values, common likes, whether it's horses, cattle. My whole world is horses and cattle. Horses and cattle. The people that booked me for speeches are dear, dear friends of mine. Howie Different. Kirk Menefee. Different, different, different. I work with him. I love being around him. Tell him I love. I have a heart. I have a habit of telling you I love you. Joe will love you, man.

[Joe Rogan]

I love you, too.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I love you, man.

[Joe Rogan]

And I do the same thing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah? Yeah. Okay. See? Do you really love them?

[Joe Rogan]

I do.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, it means. What it means is I like you more than. I just like. You're just.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I love elevating you a little bit here. And my wife is so smart. She's just like, you really got their number? I said, yeah, I got their number. And they're friends of yours? Yeah, they're friends. When's the last time he talked to him? Well, I hadn't talked to him in a few years.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, but if your friends are called out sometimes, you can't be communicating with everybody all the time. There's friends that I. I'm friends with. If I see him, I'm gonna hug him, but I haven't talked to him in years.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You ever told someone this? You ever told someone this? Hey, you know what? Before you became really famous, we used to be really close, and now we're not. You ever said that?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You ever? Okay, I have.

[Joe Rogan]

So before, when they're famous or you're famous.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm Joe. I've been famous a long time.

[Joe Rogan]

Long time.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Long time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah. Long time.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Long time. But I've actually. My problem is, if it's a problem is when I like somebody, I really like them.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good problem.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I like to be in with them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And then you don't ever hear from them, but if you text them, they fire right back. And after a while, I'm going, why am I the one starting this relationship? Why am I. And I take it personal.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you really?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I do.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I do. I'm sensitive about stuff like that. That. I mean, if you say, if we swap numbers today before I leave, and I don't, and I'm going to text you and say, hey, man, how's it going? How's the wife? How's the deer? How's the elk hunting? How you doing? Fine. And we get along great. And then two or three months go by. I hadn't heard From Joe. Hey, Joe. How you doing, man? It's good to see you. I mean, how you doing?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, so you get upset of. You're the one always initiating.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't want to always initiate. I want someone else to feel the same way towards me. That's insecurity. I know. I just finished this book, and the whole thing is I'm always looking for people to like me as much as I like them, and that's not always the case.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you're a very friendly guy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I am?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I wish I weren't.

[Joe Rogan]

Why?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't know why. I like being friends. Let me tell you a funny story. You want a funny story?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

All right, Here's a funny story. So when you get diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis, you get put on steroids. You get a balance of steroids in your body to find out what holds off the pain, because that's. You got to block the pain. And so you go on a 90 day trial and error. So I'm doing. I do the steroids and I. I'm eating my ass, boy. I'm eating everything. I can't sleep and I'm eating. I'm doing a good job eating. And I'm working out twice a day. Are you kidding me? And I blow up, man. I put on like £60. Whoa. Huge. Go to Hawaii. My wife and I are in Kmart. Nice. Kmart's closed down, but it's really nice Kmart. So we're in there, we're getting stuff for the house and stuff, and we get. We're going down the aisles and people are, hey, Terry, how you doing? You know, I'm doing. I'm doing good. You know, I'm a little puffy right now. I'm, I'm, I'm. I'm on steroids. I put on quite a bit of weight, as you probably can see. And, you know, I'm a little embarrassed, but, you know, it's going to get it balanced out. Oh, yeah, Sorry to hear about that. Hey, Terry, how you doing? Well, you know, I'm a little puffy right now, and I'm taking. You know, I'm on steroids. I got rheumatoid arthritis. You have to take steroids and get your balance. And I do this without even thinking about it, Joe. Three or four times in Kmart. So we walk out, get in the car. My wife. My wife who loves me to death, says, honey, honey, honey. Listen, when people say, how you doing, Terry? They don't. They don't want to Hear about steroids. They don't want to hear about Rupert.

[Joe Rogan]

They just want to hear how you doing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

They don't care. They recognize you and they're just happy to meet you. They don't care that you, you know, whatever. I went, am I really, am I really doing that? She said, yes, baby. You're doing that to everybody. I was so embarrassed, Joe. I'm like, oh, oh, oh my God, I can't believe I'm doing that. We cross the highway and we go where? Brand new Target. Massive Target. Awesome Target, you know? Yeah. Now, you don't shop at these places, but I do, I shop at Target. Do you?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Love. I love Target. You go to Walmart?

[Joe Rogan]

I've been to Walmart.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I love been to Walmart.

[Joe Rogan]

It's been a couple of years.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, I live in St. Joe, Texas. In Walmart, we get dressed up and put a suit on when we go to Walmart. That's nice. Anyway, so we go to Target and I got. My wife's daughter told me. So we go to Target. I'm pushing the buggy and we're going down the aisle. Hey, Terry, how you doing? How am I doing, man? You're not gonna believe this, but I got rheumatoid arthritis and I've been taking steroids and I'm really put on a lot of weight. I'm really puffy now. I stand up, Joe. No kidding. And I lean down and I pull my, my pants leg up where my sock is and I push my sock down and you can see that giant indention from all the fluid that you're holding, Right. And when I put my head down and I see that ring, I start laughing. I can't help myself. I just start laughing. You big idiot. They don't give a shit if you got rheumatoid start. I was so embarrassed, but I just couldn't help myself. I just started laughing. Caught me. Caught me.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you're just a genuine guy. There's nothing wrong with that. No, nothing wrong with that.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

That's way better.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm not apologizing. Yeah, but sometimes you just want reciprocation. I do have it with.

[Joe Rogan]

I understand what you're saying. Yeah, but it's way better to be super friendly than the opposite.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is your wife super friendly?

[Joe Rogan]

She's friendly, yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

She's friendly, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is she friendly as you?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, she's pretty friendly. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Can you go anywhere in Austin and. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, you talk to a lot of people. You don't talk to people, but Most people are really nice, so it's not a problem. Yeah, most people are just happy to see you and say, hi, hey, how you doing?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Shake your hand. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Give you some knuckles.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Take a selfie.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Take a selfie. Yeah, I like selfies. I mean, I don't see what the problem is.

[Joe Rogan]

There's no problem. There's nothing wrong with that. You're just a friendly guy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Guy.

[Joe Rogan]

And that. But that Dunbar's number is what's going on. Like, that's why you can't remember people. That's really all it is. I mean, you think about. You're Terry Bradshaw. How many people have you met in your life? You probably met a million people. Like, literally a million people.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But if you were. If you were in bad shape right now, you got people you'd call. You got a handful you could call.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, for sure. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Really care about you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but that's how everybody is. Like, a handful of you have a handful that you really care about.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And you know what, to take care and nurture your friendships that are really close takes effort.

[Joe Rogan]

It does.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And if you. 15 or 20, you don't have any time, man. You wear yourself out. I think we all. We start here and we.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. Yeah. Well, there's also some people that disappoint you along the way, unfortunately.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Man. Lobby. Are you kidding?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That is. Have you ever, ever. Have you ever just thrown all your trust and love and to your. Your a buddy and then that sucker, 15 or 16, whatever, and just boom.

[Joe Rogan]

Some of them. Yeah. Whoa. It's been a long time since I've had that happen. But there's some people that just don't make it along the way.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And then. And then I'm the first one to say I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I. I didn't. I didn't mean that. I'm sorry. And then they don't take your apologies and they bring it up again. I. I'm sorry. Look, I told you I'm sorry. I had no. Then they do it again. Look, yeah, I said I'm sorry and then hang up. That's it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, some people just don't want to be happy, and some they don't. And they. They actually enjoy being in conflict because conflict takes them away from thinking about all the things that they need to correct in their life. So they always like to be in some sort of a situation where there's some sort of a dispute or some. Someone wronged them or something's disrespectful. Or something. Yeah, it's just distractions. Most of it is distractions. It's a personality problem.

[Terry Bradshaw]

This just happened yesterday.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm not going to mention their name because they're okay. So I tell this person. They had a stallion of mine, a young 2 year old, and they were showing it and did a great job. I brought the horse home. Horse wasn't. Horse wasn't going to be good enough to go to the World show, which is the Super Bowl. But he needed another year of growing training, so I brought him home. Crazy about these people. Been with them years. I mean, the trainer was my first trainer ever and that's been 40 something years ago. Anyway, so I'm over there. They came to church. I got them to come to church. I was singing in church last two weeks ago and they came, I asked them come. I'm singing in church and they said, okay, great. They came to hear me sing. They loved our preacher and they said, we're going to come back. Well, they came back yesterday. All right. They came back. Yes, we have a meet and greet during the service. I got up and went, oh, man, it's great to see you. And not even thinking that they had had this stud for so long and did a great job. I said, guess who came by the house the other day and saw the barn name for the stud is Brad And Saul Bradley fell in love with him and I, I sent him home with him. He's. He's going to show him. Oh, Bob, it wasn't pretty. Got mad, got real in church, got mad, got upset and I just. Cold chills went over him. I went and I got to thinking, what did I do? What did I do? What did I do? And then I got to thinking, I took this horse from them and I gave it to another trainer. And they got this horse looking as good as he could get. They got him going. Now I'm giving it to a competitive trainer and I'm telling them, hey, yeah, he fell in love with him. I said, sure, take him home with you. It hurt them. And it was obvious that they were very. One of them was really upset with me in church. And so preachers up, getting ready to start, and I had to go get back in my seat. And then one of them, I told Tammy, my wife, I said, holy cow, man. I just hurt their feelings. I mean, they are upset with me because I sent this horse with some other trainer. I was like, God, I would have never done that. I would have never done that had I been thinking I wouldn't have said a word about that. Not a word. But since they had had the horse, I figured that it was no big deal. Right? My horse. I do with what I want. Throughout the service, which was a great, great service, I was picking up on what the preacher was saying. I found myself during that service. You ready for this? Praying that God would help me go make things right with them. Because I couldn't stand the fact that I had upset them so much. So when the service was over and they were going, I went and grabbed, said, I am so sorry. I want to apologize. I wasn't thinking. I made a huge mistake. You're my dear friends. I just don't, you know, you're. And I feel like I made it right, but I had to go and, and make that right because it just.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's great, Terry. That means you're a good guy. That's great.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I hope so.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. No, you're a great guy. That's a great thing to do because you care. If you didn't care if you were like, ah, screw them, what's wrong?

[Terry Bradshaw]

My service, that's because I drive a long way to go to church.

[Joe Rogan]

That's cause you're a good guy. That's because you're a good guy. I really believe that you wanted them to feel better.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Better.

[Joe Rogan]

And you know, and I bet you did make it right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And I didn't do it on purpose, of course.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course. But sometimes people don't think, you know, that. I, I mean, some people.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You ever done that? Have you ever gone to someone and said, hey, I went to a guy and told him a hundred thousand times how sorry I was. And I want you to know he was my best friend at the time and we have not spoken since. That's now. Well, some people are not kind. That's not on me. Me.

[Joe Rogan]

No, that's on him.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's on him.

[Joe Rogan]

Some people are not charitable and they don't want to forgive people. They like to be wronged. There's people that like to be in conflict with people and generally those people, their life is a mess. That's generally not a balanced person.

[Terry Bradshaw]

This guy's life's not a mess. But I just. Well, why is it so look, let's say you say something here today and it really upsets me. You're probably going to know it now that we've been getting in your. And you're pro hater. Are you okay with this? And I'm going to tell you, you know. No, I'm not. I'm not okay with that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, then I. Well, I would apologize.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's what I'm. My point is.

[Joe Rogan]

And if you said something that pissed me off, I would. I think if you apologize, I'd accept it immediately, too.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But you've already said I'm a good guy. I'm not going to do that.

[Joe Rogan]

People don't mean to hurt people's feelings.

[Terry Bradshaw]

For most part, some do. Some people do.

[Joe Rogan]

But those people, you generally know that that's that kind of person in the first place. And you probably wouldn't be hanging out with. With them.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

But when. When you're close to someone, you love someone, you got to have some forgiveness. You got to realize that people are human and humans.

[Terry Bradshaw]

For as long as I have been with this one person, I have another.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the issue?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Issue was I made fun of him on the golf course. He's. That's it. Yeah. I make fun of everybody on the golf course. You know why? Because I'm. I suck. Yeah. I'm bad, Joe. I'm bad. Now, I love to play and I love to play with my friends and have a simple living little five dollar bet. And it's not much, right? But I love to say, oh, nice shot.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's fun.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Me, me. I know I'm an.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know. You know the bad side of you, right? You know that you're bad. I know mine. I know mine.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I. My wife calls it Roy.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you have a different guy inside of you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

What is that movie? True grit, primal fear.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, okay.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Looks at me at the end, you go, had me fooled. You go, holy cow. So I took on the name Roy. So when. When I'm going into a dark character.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, Roy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yes, I think it was.

[Joe Rogan]

Roy was great. Oh, that turn at the end.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Have you fooled.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, I'm lost 100. I was like, what?

[Joe Rogan]

I know that movie. I want like, whoa, whoa. That's. That's another very smart guy, Edward Norton. I had him in on the podcast. Oh, yeah. Very interesting guy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I. I find actors in general,

[Joe Rogan]

very well, the really good ones.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, they're. They are Cooper. I love McConaughey. I've done a movie. I love.

[Joe Rogan]

He's great. Great guy, too.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Who else do.

[Joe Rogan]

George also very smart.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, very smart. George Foreman. We did a show together called Better Late than Never. Never got to know him in two years. Never got to know him in two years. Really? Never got to know him in two years. How come he totally didn't associate with any of us? We have lunch, he'd sit over here with his son, had dinner. He'd sit over here with his son. It could be. I would only guess that he's shy. He didn't like the fact that we drank. He didn't like the language that was used because he's a preacher. And I asked him one time, I said, george, George, how big's your congregation? He said, 120. I said, really? How long you been doing this? I think he said something, maybe 20 years or something. I said, because I've been taught as a Baptist, as a preacher, your congregation grows. Right, right, right, right. Your congregation grows. And I said, how many? 120. I said, oh, wow, it's small. I said, you build and you're growing. He said, no, 120 is enough.

[Joe Rogan]

Enough.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And I went, 120 is enough. I said, so, George, when do you start preparing your sermon? You start on Tuesday, like most preachers. No. Oh, you know. So when do you start preparing for your sermons? Wednesday. No. So when do you start preparing for your sermon? He says, when I stand up to preach, God tells me what to say.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay. You gonna argue with George Foreman? I'm not, but I look like, all right, brother?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I'm not arguing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But, yeah, he was. I wanted to get to know him. He was friendly, but he was just.

[Joe Rogan]

He was blocked. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's also another guy that's been famous for a long time, and he's probably figured out how to block people out. And also, he went through that dark period when he quit fighting for 10 years. And, you know, the losing to Ali, I mean, that was very hard on him.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know, he knew better. When he lost the thrill in Manila, he knew better.

[Joe Rogan]

It was Rumble in the Jungle. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, yeah, that was.

[Terry Bradshaw]

They both. They both rhyme.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Right.

[Joe Rogan]

They definitely rhyme. Well, that was Don King, right?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He knew how to promote a fight.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He knew better. He told me that the hit that I took was nothing. But he said, I was so tired.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And he. And I went, you're kidding. He said, yeah. He said, the hit. The hit was nothing. Nothing. But he went down. He just, thank God I'm down. I can get some air and get some breath.

[Joe Rogan]

He was definitely exhausted. Oh, that was a strategy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He knew what was going on. He. But he thought with his power, he'd break a rib or something, you know? Know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he had so much power.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, when he fought Joe Frazier, he lifted him off his feet with a punch. I mean, he was extraordinarily powerful. He. He hit so hard. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

George, how can you be that quick? I mean, that big.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, that's his job.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he was very impressive.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, that Ali fight was so crazy. That was another fight where Ali is expected to lose. Just like the Sonny Liston. Fight.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Fight. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it was such a upset that Hunter Thompson flew to Africa to cover it and didn't go to the fight. He wound up just drinking and floating around in his pool and blew off the fight because he didn't want to watch Ali get knocked out.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Because Ali was his hero. And he messed it up because he was supposed to be a journalist for Rolling Stone at the time. So he. They flew him over there to cover that fight.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You threw out your intelligence on me, throwing me a curveball. Because I'm. I'm going, oh, yeah, Hunter. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Who's Hunter? No idea who that guy was.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't know who Hunter S. Thompson is?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Why would I know him?

[Joe Rogan]

You don't. You never heard of him? The gonzo journalist, Hunter S. Thompson?

[Terry Bradshaw]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Very famous journalist.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is he in the Quarter Horse Journal? No. The Angus Weekly? No. No.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the guy from Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas. Do you know that? You never heard of that book?

[Terry Bradshaw]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

The movie that Johnny Depp did, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, where he played Hunter Thompson. He did write that about horses. The Kentucky Derby is decadent and depraved. That's one of his best works.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

It's a fantastic. Hey, listen, when I first Hunter Thompson, he was amazing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

When I first got into the cattle business, my wife, Ex wife and I went to a big cattle sale, such as your. To your point about me saying I don't know who he is now. I just played it off, all right? I didn't want to embarrass myself. But then I got to thinking, I don't know who this guy is. Now, you answered who he was, but I didn't care.

[Joe Rogan]

I, you know, I get it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So I go to this cattle sale, this auctioneer, and I. This auctioneer is out there and he wants to meet me, Terry Bradshaw. So I got my ex wife there, the auctioneer, and a couple of his ring stewards, you know, and we're sitting there talking. So I asked a simple question. So tell me, Mr. Auctioneer, what do you make the most money on in auctioning off stuff? He. Terry, we were really hitting a home run right now with limousines. Limousines. Now, see, my brain. I'm at a cow auction and he's a cow auctioneer.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He's not supposed to sell cars. Cars. When you think cars. Limousines.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I would have thought.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's what I'm saying. I was about to say to him, oh, my God, you mean to tell me you sell cars? And my ex wife goes, you mean to tell me that you sell cars? And he goes, oh, sweetie. And I'm like, this is some funny here. Boy, that's hilarious. What a dumbass. And he goes, no, honey, limousine is a breed of cattle.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's a limousine.

[Terry Bradshaw]

There's a limousine right there. You know what I like about this show? When you just think you're throwing everybody a curveball, they throw it up on the screen. Jamie, Jamie, you're amazing, man.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the best.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Best when he's sober. He is numb, debtor. Serious.

[Joe Rogan]

When he's sober.

[Terry Bradshaw]

When he's sober.

[Joe Rogan]

You should see him when he's drunk. Oh, my God, even better.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But anyway, I thought, you know, I could. I should write a book about some of this stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

But you should.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I should.

[Joe Rogan]

Why not?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't know. I think I got enough time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Maybe a documentary. Maybe just sit down with someone and have them tell. Tell all these stories.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. You think? Nobody care about these stories. Sure.

[Joe Rogan]

They would not. Absolutely. Edit them up. Do a good job with the editing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Should I start a podcast?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Terry Bradshaw experience.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, I don't think so. No. You know. You know what, Joe? Listen, you started this 15 years ago or something?

[Joe Rogan]

Something like that, yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Do you have any idea it would be like this?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No. So why do I want to do something like this when there's a million podcasts going on?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you would only do it if you like doing it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I would not like doing it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, then don't do it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't want to. Look, I got enough. I got enough on my plate right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, don't do it unless it seems interesting to you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And besides that, who's going to come on my show? A lot of people would come on

[Joe Rogan]

the Terry Bradshaw show.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't think I came on your

[Joe Rogan]

show when you had a TV show.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Did you? Yeah. What show was that?

[Joe Rogan]

You had a TV show? Yeah, Yeah, I was on it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I was a guest when I had the Fox show.

[Joe Rogan]

That whatever that talk show thing you did was get out. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You were one of my star guests.

[Joe Rogan]

I was a guest when I was on news radio. That was a sitcom? Yeah. Oh, well, I believe it was news radio. It was a long time Ago.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, I remember.

[Joe Rogan]

No, you don't. No, you don't.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, no, no. Joe. Yeah. You were great, by the way. I loved you, man. You were great.

[Joe Rogan]

We talked about limousine cattle.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Hunter Thompson.

[Terry Bradshaw]

What are you doing drinking coffee now?

[Joe Rogan]

It was a who.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Smart.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. That was a fun show. I know. I don't remember.

[Joe Rogan]

You could do something like that if you wanted to. I mean, you could do anything if you wanted to, but you definitely would get guests if you ever wanted to do a podcast.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I did a radio show once.

[Joe Rogan]

How was that?

[Terry Bradshaw]

It was good. It's good, but it was just hard to get people.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That doesn't make sense to me.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I will.

[Joe Rogan]

Where were you doing it?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Out of la.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh. So many people in la. How's that hard?

[Terry Bradshaw]

When I had my daytime show in la, I couldn't get anybody, really. I got Whoopi Goldberg one time. What are you laughing for?

[Joe Rogan]

How is she? Was she funny?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, she was a blast. Yeah, she was. She's the biggest thing we ever had.

[Joe Rogan]

Probably fun when she's not on the View.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Well, I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

All those hands get together. I watched that show. I'm like, ladies, go outside, hug a ch.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That. You know who I really. I had? Charlton Heston. Ah, now you're talking.

[Joe Rogan]

How is he?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Fabulous.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I couldn't. The show, I could have done three hours. I was just fascinated with. He was so nice, you know? Is there anything worse, Joe, than thinking you. And that's my understanding, you won't bring people on here that you don't feel comfortable with.

[Joe Rogan]

No. If I'm not interested in talking to them.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. So I'm very honored to be here today, but can you imagine? Can you imagine. Can you imagine having people on that are just jerks?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And. Or interviewing them and it's like, oh, God, where can I go here to get something out of this interview? You know, it's just. God, that's just. But, yeah, but Charlton Heston. I had Garth Brooks, which was fabulous. I gave him the whole. I gave Charlton Heston the whole hour, just me and him. It was kind of like this. He was amazing. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He was like one of the first big actors that was, like, publicly conservative. Remember?

[Terry Bradshaw]

He was like. He did the nra. They caught hell for that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Was he the head of the NRA at one point?

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, no, no.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a part of the nra, part of it. I think he did something with the nra. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. But he was. Yeah, he was huge.

[Joe Rogan]

He famously was like you could have my gun when you pry my cold, dead fingers from it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Say, I'm. Yeah, I'm. My brother has. I don't have many guns. I said, what do you do with all those guns, man? You gotta have guns. I said, gary, he's got those, those rifles that shoot 5,000 rounds in 10 seconds. What are those things called?

[Joe Rogan]

AR15.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He's got five or six. What do you do with all those? Yeah, you never know when you're gonna need a gun.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a lot of people like that in this country.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, my God, they are. And I got a, I got a what? I got, I got a bunch of guns, but I gave them all. Everybody gives me guns. I don't shoot guns.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't shoot guns at all? No, no, no.

[Terry Bradshaw]

My wife only let me put a gun by the bed. I've been, I've been burglarized six times.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you really?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I got shot at with a shotgun. This is how I can tell you that when you get shot at with a shotgun, flames come out of the gun. Flames. And I'm running, I'm running in the backyard to get in my car. And this guy goes around the backside. Boom. And flames every. And BBs. And I get in the old GTO. 1970 GTO, yellow and black. Oh, man. Get her done. Yeah, boy, this is nice. And I got in, but I'm used to pushing the button or pull in reverse. You go down, right. Pull it down. I turn around, I hit the brake, I go forward. Riding through the wall, realized you got to go one click. It was not good. Not good. But my wife won't let me keep anything.

[Joe Rogan]

So where did you get burglarized six times?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Ruston. Rustin, Louisiana. Mansfield, Louisiana. On my ranches? Yes. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

On your ranches.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So they came onto the ranch.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

How big was the ranch?

[Terry Bradshaw]

400 acres at the time.

[Joe Rogan]

So they had to do some driving to get to the house, and they

[Terry Bradshaw]

had to go through the gate. The gate? The gate I locked. So how did they get in? And you ever. Let me tell you something. You are laying bed at night and it's 1:00am in the morning, and you feel the presence of somebody else in your house or. Right. And a flashlight is going over your head and going through the wall like this. You, I, I, I can't even begin to tell you. You can't breathe and you don't. And I'm laying down like this, and I'm flattening myself. And back in those days, you're Too young to know this. Remember? Well, the prince's phone. You know what the prince's phone is?

[Joe Rogan]

Prince's phone.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know, everything we've been talking about today. You've been throwing all kind of shit up here and you don't know what a prince's phone. Phone. Do you know, what are you saying?

[Joe Rogan]

Are you saying prince, Princess. Princess. Princess phone.

[Terry Bradshaw]

It's a phone. It was one of the first push button phones. You didn't have to. Okay, it's princess. So I took my. Look at you. It doesn't.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a princess phone.

[Terry Bradshaw]

There you go. Thank you so much.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you know what that is, Jamie? No.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Look, look, I'm. Look, Joe. I'm laying in bed. I take my left hand and I slide it over to my princess phone. I take this receiver off and I take my fingers and I go across the dolls and I dial. And I'm. My uncle who lives 200 yards away. I get the phone, pull up to

[Joe Rogan]

the microphone so people can hear you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I pull up, I pull the phone up. I'm laying back trying so you can't see me or anything. And I said. But I got a burglar. He said, my. He's at my bedroom window. He says, all right, I'm on my way. So I take the phone down and goes. And you can see the guy hears my. Here's my uncle coming. And this guy takes off and he chases him down through the pasture and he loses him out through there. I had another guy go through my house, tearing up my kids.

[Joe Rogan]

Same place.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, different place. Wow. In college, tearing up my. Tearing up my dishes in my kitchen. He was looking through the dishes, he making noise. Only thing I could fear was the guy was trying to run me off. I was living in a Methodist parsonage out on the edge of town. Come to find out, this guy was living in the attic over the office. So the cops found all kind of paraphernalia, cans of food, beer, up in the office. So only thing I could figure is try and run by. But I. He ran me off.

[Joe Rogan]

Or he might have just been drugged.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm out of there. I don't know what he was. I wanted to find out. But you see, I've come home. I've come home twice and had guys running out of my house, taking off.

[Joe Rogan]

Same house?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, yeah. Six. Six of these I had. Geez, they've been shot at.

[Joe Rogan]

So you were running away from these guys.

[Terry Bradshaw]

What's his name again? I forgot.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie. Jamie Young.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie.

[Terry Bradshaw]

One more time, son. I'M going to ask you what your name is. Okay? All right, one more. I told you three times, Right? Right. All right, I got you down now.

[Joe Rogan]

So the same place. Why you keep getting broken into this one place?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm not in the middle of nowhere. I'm Terry Bradshaw. They want to come in. They want to steal. Another guy came down. He stole all the. He. He stole all my stuff out of my garage. All the. All the. The chainsaw. He got all the kind of tools and stuff that he could go and sell. Just wipe me out. Out.

[Joe Rogan]

No security?

[Terry Bradshaw]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

No security system. Nothing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No. I got dogs now. And now I. I've had. Since Tammy and I. 22 years now. And I got a guard dog, But I won't. I will not leave my wife at home. My wife. My wife and I in 22 years have been apart two days. I will not leave without my wife.

[Joe Rogan]

What kind of guard dogs get?

[Terry Bradshaw]

German shepherd. I got him from Wayne Simonovich in South Carolina.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so you got a train.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I got a badass dog. His name is Legend. Then I bought him. I got a female this year. Her name is. We named her after the Viking character, Freya, the queen. So I'm going to breed those because I'm tired of spending $20,000 for some raise. My guard dog.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Nice. And you know what's great about. About them? They're guard dogs. You don't play with them.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You don't play with. You don't rough them. You don't grab them. You don't tackle them. You know, they do work those. They. They don't mess around.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Terry Bradshaw]

They don't mess around. They're serious.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they're serious.

[Terry Bradshaw]

They're soldiers. Yeah, exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You got a dog.

[Joe Rogan]

Sucks. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

What do you got?

[Joe Rogan]

I have a golden retriever.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I love them.

[Joe Rogan]

They're great. But he ain't garden.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, I know. You're probably. Hey, Al, come on in. There's ice cream up there. Y' all open it, we'll share it.

[Joe Rogan]

He'll let everybody in.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I've got eight dachshunds.

[Joe Rogan]

I have another dog that's a King Charles Cavalier. You know what those are? The little tiny dogs. Oh, my God. He's so adorable.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He jumps in the pool and he. He's just started. He's a year old, and he started swimming over the last couple months. And he gets so excited that he whines like, you. You. You think he's in pain or something?

[Terry Bradshaw]

He's talking. He's talking. He's talking to you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, and he just can't wait to jump in the water.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Water? Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he loves it.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Two of my dachshunds talk constantly.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, and. Oh, and this morning, I'm a little tired today because for some reason these two, these two, they sleep with me every night. Their names are Sadie Lynn and baby girl, one's a black miniature docs, and the other one is a Australian shepherd, looking black and tan, you know, spotty. And oh, they are precious. But baby girl likes to get on my chest when she's got to go outside. She gets on my chest, puts her chin right under my mouth and I wake up and I know exactly what's. And I sit there and I go, what time is it? And I'll go over and I'll get the TV control and I'll shake it so the light will come on. Oh my God, it's 11 o'. Clock. You gotta be kidding me. So I'll take them outside and they'll go potty. This is good. Once normally, a lot of times, never. But once, max, last night, three times.

[Joe Rogan]

Three times?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, yeah. 1:30. 1:30. Oh, what, you gotta pee again? You gotta be kidding me. So I slide to the right, down off the bed. These two come, we go outside. I'm so sleepy. I sit on the steps and put my head against the porch pole and I'm like this. Their heads are in the doorway and they're looking at me like, what are we doing? I'm like, you gotta pee, right? No, no, not really. You know, it's. So I go back at 3:30. Here I go again. And they went to the bathroom. But this is, you know, so sometimes

[Joe Rogan]

they just want to wake you up.

[Terry Bradshaw]

They just. Yeah, I mean, look, I'm a dog lover, okay?

[Joe Rogan]

Me too.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I. I got not 10. 10 dogs now.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you really?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I got also 10 dogs and two serious guard dogs.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Two badass dog.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So those the ones. Our dog is badass. The other one's gonna be badass. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you know what?

[Terry Bradshaw]

When you live where I live, out where I live, I don't know where you live, but I. What are you doing? What is that?

[Joe Rogan]

This is ultra. It's nootropic. Do you know what that is? It's like essentially brain vitamins. Vitamins.

[Terry Bradshaw]

How come you don't swallow it?

[Joe Rogan]

Because it's a pouch, like a nicotine pouch. Same kind of thing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Like you got a smoking addiction. Yeah, but it's not a nicotine addiction. Is that what you're saying? What is it?

[Joe Rogan]

You said nicotine nootropics.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is that one of those things that.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like brain vitamins?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is it like ivermectin?

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's like nutrients. Brain nutrients.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Sorry, it sucks. I couldn't help myself.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, we're not friends anymore.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yes, we are.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm upset.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Going again.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't that hilarious, though, that you could make fun of a guy playing golf and he doesn't want to be your friend forever because of that?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I was shocked.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you got off.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And I had another friend.

[Joe Rogan]

You got off light. Yeah, that's a sensitive.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Another friend I spent four days a week with because I was like. I said, I'm playing golf and didn't have a job. Job. We hung out. His wife and I went to dinner all the time, cooked out all the time. And then one. One day I said, hey, just recently passed away, so. Hey, man, I got us a tea. Time for more at 1:30. Call me back. Nothing. Hey. Nothing. Two days, three days, four days, five days a week, two weeks, a month. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Never heard of. Never heard from him again.

[Joe Rogan]

What happened?

[Terry Bradshaw]

His wife didn't like me.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's what I found out.

[Joe Rogan]

His wife didn't like you?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. What's not to like? I'm a nice guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I don't understand that at all.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. I think she's just jealous of our relationship.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, there's those kind of relationships. Guys and gals will do that. Will they separate you from your friends? That's a real problem. Well, that's a giant red flag right there. That's not good. A person who doesn't want you having good friends. That's crazy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, I know. It's.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know, I'm the luckiest guy in the world because I work for a network with four, sometimes five guys. And if you can put five big egos together and have everybody love and care about one another, I'm gonna tell you, that's special. Special.

[Joe Rogan]

That is special.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That Fox show is so special. It is. You've seen the show, I assume? And we're just like. Just like a locker room.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that's how we supposed to be.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So much fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And that's what people like watching.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I think so. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

People want to watch people that actually are friends.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. And we have giant fun. We had this one. I mean, you. You learn where you can go with your friends.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

All right. You know, you learn. Don't go here, don't go there. Which is fine. You won't. You want to make sure. That. Because we're on live television, so you want to. You don't ever want to embarrass anybody on live television. So you learn where to go and you build that trust and then that trust, because you have the trust, you become. You bond. You become. Hey, how you doing? Hey, man. I was this week. How's your daughter? It's great. Hey, how's your wife? Great. I mean, it's just. You just get everybody hugs, everybody. Hey, how was your week? I mean, it's. I can't even get the day that that show is over for me. And I hope I die on set, which is. I've always said if I could just die on set. Think about it, Joe. Think about it. If I die on set. Seriously, if I could just get a couple of words out before I go. I don't want to.

[Joe Rogan]

Just one last good line.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I really do think Dallas is going to win the super bowl if I could just get something out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know, forever immortal. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Great. Yeah. So I said that that's what. And that's the way I feel. I. It's. I assume that's the way you do this show. You can't wait to do. You should. This is awesome. To get down and sit down with people from different walks of life, basically.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Politicians don't agree with you. Religious people, whatever. And you just sit there and you build this. You know, you get to know these people, you ask all these questions. Or in my case, I'm. I'm just jumping around here. That's what I. Yeah, well, he hadn't asked me about this.

[Joe Rogan]

I like.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is it Simon? Jamie, Jamie. I told you. Jamie, just. That's it. No, I got it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no, I got young Jamie.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No, young.

[Joe Rogan]

Think of like Van Halen. Jamie. Jamie's crying. Jamie's crying. Remember that song?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Look, I got it here.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie, Jamie. Young Jamie.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Jamie. You married? Nope. Attaboy.

[Joe Rogan]

Free man, free ladies.

[Terry Bradshaw]

How old are you, Jamie? Old enough. What do you say?

[Joe Rogan]

Old enough.

[Terry Bradshaw]

What's that? What's old enough?

[Joe Rogan]

Old enough to know.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So how old are you, Jamie?

[Joe Rogan]

43.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay. Got a girl, girl? Not right now, okay?

[Joe Rogan]

He's free right now, ladies.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Young Jamie's on the prowl.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Jamie. You on the prowl? Sure. All right. Where's your. There's a lot of good looking women in Austin, Texas, James.

[Joe Rogan]

There is. It's a good, good place.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You need some help for you, bub?

[Joe Rogan]

Ah, let's go out tonight.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I guess we need to move on, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, let's Move on.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But anyway, I'm so in talking about that show. It just.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, having a show like that, where a bunch of people are really actually friends is so huge for the viewer.

[Terry Bradshaw]

It is. You want to listen. Do you want to turn on this show? Like, pregame. Come on. Pregame shows. I watch them and I go, oh, God.

[Joe Rogan]

Especially if.

[Terry Bradshaw]

It's. You ever done this? Shut up.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Shut up. Announcers. Guys doing the game. Shut up.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. Or when they're just sports guys that really aren't actually passionate about football.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And you hear them talking. You're like, you know what they're talking about?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Stats. They get it all right here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know, and let me tell you something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I hate stats. I hate them.

[Joe Rogan]

They're okay occasionally if they shouldn't be.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Real point.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But if all you got is on third quarter when the wind's blowing out of the southwest, if it makes a point in a big. But otherwise.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right, right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I remember once. Well, anyway, I was talking about all the guys, and I love telling this story on Howie. Howie is my best friend on the show, without question. I mean, we are so different. He went to Villanova. I went to an engineering school at Louisiana Tech. I got a college degree. Howie, I'm sorry. He didn't graduate. I'm sorry, Howie. Don't hate me for his big ass. What are you telling everybody I didn't grab. Hey, I love you. I shouldn't have said Joe. I didn't say that. Anyway, so we're doing this show, and we had Jimmy Johnson on the show. Jimmy's great. Oh, Jimmy was awesome. So Jimmy's telling this story, all right. And Jimmy's Jimmy tell it's a funny story. And we. Jimmy starts laughing. We all start laughing. Straight hand, we're belly aching. That's funny. That's funny. Jimmy, Michael Strahan's next director. We got it all worked out. It goes, Jimmy, Michael, Terry, Howie, Jimmy Howe. Yeah, Howie. So Michael Strahan, he adds to that story, and it's even funnier. Oh, my God. Stop. Stop right now. Now it's my turn. Now I've got it. I gotta. I gotta. You're a comedian, you know, you gotta. You gotta match it at least, right? Or do it one better. I'm adding to what Michael said, to what Jimmy said. And we're rolling. Oh, God. Stop. Oh, this is. This is killing me. Oh, Howie's turn. Howie looks at the camera. The outside linebacker for Seattle, Bucky Buchalter, sprained his ankle in pregame warmup. He won't be starting today for the Seahawks. Jasper Julian will be in his place out of Kansas State. And then. And we go to commercial break, and I'm like, three. Ha, ha, ha. One. So I'm looking at Howie and I'm staring at Howie. I'm just like this. He's turning. He feels me. He turns around and says, what? I said, you can't help it, can you? Help what? You know what I'm talking about. About. No, I don't. What are you talking about? And I said, you're boring. I wouldn't have said it if I didn't know I could get away with it.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And for the rest of the show, he was hilarious because he said, well, you know, being boring, let me say. And it was funny. But, yeah, it was. You can't do that unless there's trust.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right, right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And Strahan, we made. The first day Strahan was on the show, we gave him half a cake. He said, why am I getting half a cake? Well, he just got divorced, so you lost the other half to her, so that's hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if you can't joke around with people, that's no fun.

[Terry Bradshaw]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

That's not a good relationship.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, you better know. You better know who you're joking around with.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but it's like, you can't. If you can't joke around with someone, like, what's the point? That's what people do. It's part of fun in life. You should be able to take a joke, you should be able to give a joke. Should be able to have fun with each other.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Just gotta know when. You just gotta know when.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I mean, friends know when.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I mean, I, you know, I talk to Howie all the time. All the time. And his son Kyle just got signed with CBS for their Today show, which is.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Great. Great for him. And he's good.

[Joe Rogan]

Howie did movies for a while. Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Howie was voted the up and coming star. And he had these three young kids, and he says, I don't want to raise my kids in la. Where's the best place I can raise my kids? And they found the school system. Charlottesville, Virginia. He moved to Virginia and took his kid there and quit doing good for him. Yeah, that's having your priorities together.

[Joe Rogan]

I remember reading something about him talking about it, like, his experience with movies, like, he didn't like it. Well, he didn't like Hollywood. He didn't like the whole thing. And he.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He could have been.

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't someone hit on him too.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Hit on him?

[Joe Rogan]

I think some guys hit on him.

[Terry Bradshaw]

A guy hit him.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Is that. He did find out if that's true.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I don't know if I'd find that out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, maybe. Don't look that up. Forget it. Don't look that up.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But the point being, Simon, I might mean Jamie. Jamie. That's your new day, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Jamie, don't look that up because.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Don't look it up. I think I might have made that up or somebody might have told me. It might not be true. But the point is, like, he could have been. He did a bunch of big movies.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

And he was on his way to being a big action star.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He was action star?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, sure. I mean, of course. Giant guy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah. Handsome, good looking guy. Great body.

[Joe Rogan]

Perfect for an action star.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then just. I like it when a guy realizes, like, this is, you know, life.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I didn't want to raise my kids in there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Also it's just like you don't want, you know, it's what, what you think that life is. It's not.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Not.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen, it's also 16 hours.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I've done five movies and you've done I don't know how many. And look, I don't want to sit around.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

All day long and go in and deliver one line.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And here's the other thing. I'm not ever going to be a leading man. I'm always going to be Terry Bradshaw.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And that just sucks. Seriously, you always want to be Joe Rogan. No, no, no, no. You would like to be given an opportunity to really act?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, if I actually wanted to act, yes.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But, but I mean, some people, they just don't like to do it. And I think with, I think with Howie, it was probably one of those things where they probably offered him a bunch of money. It looks good on paper. And then you start actually doing it and you realize, like, you're going to be away for five months filming this.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He was away all year, one year doing the Firestorm and he was filming in Vancouver. He was flying in on Saturday from Vancouver and leaving on a red eye to Vancouver and filming all week. And I think breaks you down. Three little kids.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It breaks you down. It's not good for you. You don't like it. It doesn't feel good.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And I applaud him for that. And he's not only is he a great husband, great dad, he's a great grandfather. I'm a terrible grandfather. You got grandkids no.

[Joe Rogan]

Why are you terrible?

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know, I just. I'm gone all the time, and it's kind of like getting that job. Yeah, I gotta have a job. I gotta go with your suit on

[Joe Rogan]

if you have to travel. You were saying that you give corporate speeches. What do you do? Like, what are those about speeches? Like what. What do you speak about?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Well, I'm talking to a bank Wednesday morning. So I'm preparing a bank speech.

[Joe Rogan]

And what do you say to. Like, what do you say to a bank? To a bunch of bankers?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I know what I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it about leadership?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, some of it's about leadership. It's about. It's basically all the things that I know, Joe. Have to do with ambition, dreams, drives, goals, failure, overcoming failure, how to deal with failure, how to rise, how to deal with success, how to treat people. So it's a little bit of motivational, a little bit of psychology like you used earlier with me once.

[Joe Rogan]

I use psychology with you?

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know. You know when you did it. You know. Right. Hey, Bernie. Bernie. He knows.

[Joe Rogan]

And so you do different ones for different kind of operations.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's like kind of like a team building thing. They get together and you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Depends on what they want.

[Joe Rogan]

Interesting. When did you start doing that?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I've been doing it 43 years. Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I know. It's amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy. And how did you get into that?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I gave a speech in Destin, Florida, for Frito Lay. And it was taped. And they paid me $5,000. And I was doing speeches for 1200, $850. And they offered me 5,000 docs. 5,000 bucks? Are you kidding me? I'll go down there. And it's for Frito Lay. So I build this speech up and da, da, da, da, da. And they go, give this speech. And the speech is really good. And they taped it, and they sent me a VHS copy. And my. My then wife put it on one day and thought, oh, my God, this is really good. And it's funny. And so. So she found out where. Where the bureaus were who booked speakers. There were 10 really good ones. And she sent this tape and a bio to 10 different speaking associations. All right? We got that through Fran Tarkin's company in Atlanta, Georgia. They're the ones that turned us on to. So I come in, she says, I sent this off. I'm getting calls now for speeches. I'm like, what? Yeah. She says, we got. You want to do this? You want to do that? And all of them are for 5,000. 5,000 are you shitting me? Five. I'm getting five grand. Five grand. I'm like, oh, my God. Five grand? Really? I'm like, amazing. So I started doing these speeches for all these different bureaus for five grand.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Terry Bradshaw]

So I go to Hawaii on vacation, and I'm in Hawaii, and a company called Washington Speakers Bureau, wsb, they speak nothing. They book political speakers. And they had Joe Theisman and Jim Valvano and maybe Lou Holtz. That the three guys they had. So they call it the rainy day file. And they got a big box where they get all the, you know, people send them to them all the time. Hey, Joe, will you. We don't come on your show. Okay, put it over there. Put it over there. Put it. And eventually you go through. Oh, we ought to have them on. Right? That's kind of how it went. So one day they're looking at these tapes and they're going, nope, spitting. Spitting it. Then you get. They came across Terry Bradshaw. Hey, hey, I. I hear this guy's pretty good. Really? We'll put it on. They put it on. They went, we want to sign him. So I'm in Hawaii, I get a phone call in the morning. Hello, this is Bernie Swain with Washington Speakers Bureau. I'm here with Harry Rhodes. We just looked at your tape. We think you got great possibilities. We'd love to represent you exclusively. Da da, da, da, da. Please call us back. I thought, what? So, you know, it's Hawaii. It's what, seven in the morning? So it's what? It's one o' clock their time. So I call them, and they said, look, we think you got great possibility. And we think he can. We can book you and book you a lot. And I said, well, I'm being booked by 10 people right now. Why wouldn't I want to go one? One person? Well, we're going to guarantee you 50 speeches at $7,500 a speech. Excuse me, did you say $7,500? I'm like, holy cow. So they said, we'll fly you from Hawaii to Washington, D.C. and we'd like to sit down with you and go over a proposal. So I did. They did. And I did. We sat down, fell in love with these guys. They were awesome. Gave me a proposal, 50 speeches, 7,500. Add that up. That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Chunk of dough. So I signed. I'm with them exclusively now. And they said, we'll have you at 10,000 in six months. 10,000. 10. You're going to book me for 10 grand? Are you kidding me? That ain't, that's crazy. Sure enough.

[Joe Rogan]

So that's how you got into speeches.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So when you do speeches, like, say like a tie, like a tire company called whatever it is, do you write it out for that?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Never. I never write it. I do not write a word I cannot write. I write here.

[Joe Rogan]

So how do you plan out a speech?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I write here.

[Joe Rogan]

You just sit around and think about what you're going to say.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Exactly. And over time, what speakers do. Because I asked Jay Leno this one time, why are you doing all you're doing 100 stand ups? And he says, well, I'll take a theme for this year and I do it all. I don't change anything under the name where I'm going. And so I'm like, oh, so I don't have to change all of this every time. And I learned that from Jay Leno. Takes the same thing and then put tire company in there and build it around that. And you know what else I started doing? I started reading a lot. Psychology, salesmanship, leadership. You know one of the guys that came to hear me speak here in Austin, McRaven, Admiral McRaven. Have you had him on yet?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, my God. The guy that gives the ten points of success?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he was the head of speeches Texas.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, amazing. Fat. The Osama bin Laden. He. That's his, that's his raid. The whole thing was him. He designed that whole raid. Amazing human being. He's right here in your backyard. You haven't had him. You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

There's only so many days in a week you could do shows, you know, can't have everybody on.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay. Miss, do you, do you do a show every day?

[Joe Rogan]

Four days a week.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Okay, what's the day off?

[Joe Rogan]

Usually Friday. But it shifts. Yeah, it shifts depending on what I got going on.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But, you know, so I, I, I build a show according to what they're doing. And through all my reading and I'm naturally, I think I'm gifted enough humor wise that I have incorporated a ton of humor and I mix the humor in and I'm, and I incorporate the

[Joe Rogan]

audience and so did you start doing all this reading just to make your speeches better?

[Terry Bradshaw]

I wanted to get smarter. I wanted to get smarter. I wanted to be, yeah, I wanted to be a little bit up on things. You know, I took psychology and marketing and all that in college. But I, I thought, hey, if I'm gonna make a career out of this, get all the, gather all the knowledge you can gather. Yeah. And so that's what I did. That's very smart. I started reading all these self help books and, and you know what, when you do read all that, you find out it's pretty basic. There is a common, common, there's a common, there's a foundation, a common denominator that all of them have. And I don't steal, I don't steal material, but I do still. I do program my speeches. I've gone on stage and forgot the name of the company. Did that once. I did that once. I went on stage in Vegas for a huge 5,000 people and I went out there and I'm, you know, I've got a style about me. It's a freelance, it's, hey, you know, I work the crowd, I get to know them. I'm having a good time, feeling good. And I haven't even started my speech. In the meeting plan of the guy that. Let's give it up. Give it up. Terry Bradshaw. Terry. Thank you, Terry. Thank you so much. Terry Bradshaw. They escort me off I 10 minutes. 10 minutes. So there's three, there's.

[Joe Rogan]

What happened? Why'd they escort you off?

[Terry Bradshaw]

He, he thought I didn't, he thought I didn't know what I was doing, I guess, but that he obviously didn't look at my tapes and. But I was just, I was just having fun with the crowd before I, you know, I work my way. Sometimes I, sometimes I'll go right into it.

[Joe Rogan]

Uh huh.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Sometimes I won't. Sometimes I'll. Hey, hey. You know, I mess with them.

[Joe Rogan]

Them. Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I'm just having fun. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He out of there. Wow. Oh, and very.

[Joe Rogan]

What kind of company was that?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Someone that could afford to pay me and not have me give a speech? Yeah. Bad.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, some people are very impatient, you know.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Bad. It was bad. And I asked my wife in the car going to the airport, you know, when you what's wrong? And I said what'd I do something wrong? She said, you did nothing wrong. This guy just doesn't know your style.

[Joe Rogan]

So they just hired you based on name alone and didn't know what they were getting.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Excuse me. I would imagine that I would think name alone has a lot to do with all my 100.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's what I was gonna say.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And if you went for Super Bowls, you know, pressure, you know, up and down, you know how to deal with. You get in a huddle. How do you manage a huddle? How do you do this? How do you call plays And I make fun of all these guys that have placards on their forearm, number four, look, number four. Where I had to go. Second and eight. Okay, look, second and eight. Here. We did here. Let's go, let's go. And I got. No, no, no, wait a minute, wait a minute. No, no, I don't want to run that. Let's go this. And I totally ran the. I totally ran the huddle, the whole thing. What do y' all say? Can we do that? No, we can't. What do you want to do that? I ran the huddle. I was. Was smart enough as the chairman of the board in the huddle to say, I don't have all the answers. I thought I did. We're not doing very well here. I want to try this play. But what do y' all think? And I got input. Oh, is there anything better than input? Is there anything better than the people that are doing as a. As a sales team and you got a sales manager. And sales teams come back and said, no, no, no, no, no, no, this is not a good. This isn't working. They don't like this data. And you change it. Smart people make adjustments in the middle of chaos.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Competition. And that's how, that's how I ran. I ran the.

[Joe Rogan]

The huddle.

[Terry Bradshaw]

The huddle. And speaking. Speaking is I know where I'm going when I walk on stage. And once I get on stage, I can tell within five minutes I'm gonna change my direction. And I can't. I've been doing it 40 something years. I got, you know, eight hours of material. Not to mention all the new material I'm getting every week so I can change it. And I've gotta tell you, you're a stand up comedian. Is there anything better than getting on stage and deliver a performance? And they are just laughing at everything, just rolling, just rolling, just rolling. And you walk off and they're screaming, joe, Joe, Joe. And you're like, God, man, I nailed it tonight. And then you walk off or going out and go, hey, did you hear this? Did the other day? What about that? And everything falls flat. And when you leave and you go off stage and you're. Are you not miserable? Miserable, Miserable. Sure you don't want to be miserable?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You did everything you could to make them enjoyable. I'm entertaining them. I want this to be a great experience for them. And when you fail, it's devastating. Devastating.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what they pay you?

[Terry Bradshaw]

What do you think they pay you to be?

[Joe Rogan]

They pay you to be entertaining.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Poor Jamie.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Poor Oh, Jamie. Sorry, Jay. I'm sorry, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I mean, I would imagine that it's a completely different thing, but having a guy like you go and talk to a corporation, it's got to be very fun for them, you know, because, you know, you're a guy who's won the Super Bowl.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You guys like my speeches? My speeches are. Do you know who Joel Hosteen is?

[Joe Rogan]

I know the name.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He said he's the preacher and.

[Joe Rogan]

Joel Olston.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, what did I say? Holstein. Like the cow. Olsteen. You're right. Olson Olsteen. Right. Go to church. He doesn't know it's Olsteen.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that guy.

[Terry Bradshaw]

He's a.

[Joe Rogan]

He does the giant stadium preacher. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

God, look at the mountain. You see the mountain?

[Joe Rogan]

Look at my Rolls Royce.

[Terry Bradshaw]

One of those good guys, you know? It's a good guy. And people need that in their life. I like to say there's another mountain out there. But if you continue down the path you're going, and I want. I want. I want my hand spanked, you know, I don't need it spanked. I know it should be spanked, but I want him to spank me. That's fine with me speaking. When I go out to speak, I'm a feel good. I want. I'm a feel good guy, you know, Unless they say to me, here's where we're struggling, and we need you to add this and this also.

[Joe Rogan]

Sometimes they'll give you a direction.

[Terry Bradshaw]

They always give you a direction.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, so they have, like, a purpose for you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Always know where you're going. You always know what your audience is. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it sounds like you really enjoy it, but that's. So Is that what you're doing when you're doing 250 dates a year? You're doing a lot of those.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Oh, I do. Yeah, a lot. Tuesday, Wednesday of this week, then I'll get off. I do 30 a year, which is plenty.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a lot.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's a lot when you're getting 5 million in a speech. I mean, you gotta think about it. What do you think, Buck? Oh, Buck's over there. He's like, I'd be so glad when this boy's off.

[Joe Rogan]

He likes you. Terry, thank you very much for being here, man. This was a lot of fun. I really enjoyed it. It's great to talk to you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Me, too.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm. Thank you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Thanks, Joe. Been watching you enjoy. You're smart.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You're insightful. You do your homework. I helped you today, though.

[Joe Rogan]

You did you helped me a lot. Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Doing what you do is not easy.

[Joe Rogan]

I found out about limousine cattle.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Taught me some things.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I know. I know you know how to fix a prolapsed uterus.

[Joe Rogan]

What's that?

[Terry Bradshaw]

Show him, Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

So tell everybody how they buy this whiskey. Is it everywhere? Can you get.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is there a website right now? You can go Terry Bradshaw, bourbon dot com. You'll find out where we are in Texas.

[Joe Rogan]

Terry Bradshaw, bourbon dot com. There it is. Look at that. There it is.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Is. That's not a good picture. I should have had. Oh, look at the cigar, Joe.

[Joe Rogan]

Solid picture.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Cigar.

[Terry Bradshaw]

That's an old man. You're 58.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. And look at that. You got a serious whiskey sifter there. What are those things called? Snifter.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Those are good.

[Joe Rogan]

That's like.

[Terry Bradshaw]

If you're a serious taste, you know is the. The thing about now people think, boy, he's making a kill on. Off that whisk. I'm not. I might make $6,000 this year. 6. But we're building the. We're building it. It's slow. Whiskey is. Bourbon is slow, man.

[Joe Rogan]

It's has to age.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You go down. You go down that aisle. 5,000. And we've won all these awards all. We beat them all.

[Joe Rogan]

That's awesome.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Beat them all.

[Joe Rogan]

Congratulations.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Thank you. I'm so proud of that. And the thing about the juice is mine. I created this juice.

[Joe Rogan]

It has to be something that you love doing. That's not something you can.

[Terry Bradshaw]

You know what? It could be any other product. I think it's just the fact that I get to go out and sell it. I like.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's an aged product. It's a different. Like if you were selling vodka or tequila, something you could just make real quick.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Now, this is.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a different thing. Aged whiskey is a very different thing.

[Terry Bradshaw]

It took me a year and a half to get the blend right. The blend, the juice. Took me a year and a half before I agreed to put it in a bottle. Then when I put it in a bottle, I wanted. This is old Gunsmoke. Sit it on the counter. I wanted a gun smoke bottle. And this is the original label. And that's gunpowder. Gunpowder gray. And the super bowl stuff is put on there by, you know, the bottling company, which I didn't really. That wasn't part of it. Joe, you ever got to a point in your life when you go, can I not sell something that's really good without having to be me?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

I mean, well, it would have been like that if it hadn't been you, Terry.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Can it. Can it not be just because it's good?

[Joe Rogan]

You certainly could do that.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Terry Bradshaw]

My stud horses. I have the best stud horses in America, you know. Best. And they're breeding world champions. And I'm so proud of that. The business is good, you know, but I don't have to sell them. They're selling. We have offspring, but this is Bradshaw.

[Joe Rogan]

Whiskey. This is.

[Terry Bradshaw]

This. I wouldn't want my dad to see it, but there it is.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is.

[Terry Bradshaw]

There it is.

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[Terry Bradshaw]

But thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Thank you so much. I've been a huge fan for many years.

[Joe Rogan]

And me. And me.

[Terry Bradshaw]

And thanks. We didn't get into politics, which I'm very thankful for.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm glad, too.

[Terry Bradshaw]

Yeah, me, too. I bet you are. I know I am.

[Joe Rogan]

Enough, enough. Enough of that in this world. Thank you, Terry. That was fun. All right, bye, everybody. Sa.