#2539 - Protect Our Parks 17

Summary

The Joe Rogan Experience #2539 – Protect Our Parks 17

Date: August 13, 2026
Host: Joe Rogan
Guests: Shane Gillis, Tony Hinchcliffe, Jamie Vernon

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Episode Overview

The seventeenth installment of "Protect Our Parks" features Joe Rogan joined by comedians Shane Gillis, Tony Hinchcliffe, and regular producer Jamie Vernon for a loose, rambling, and consistently hilarious four-hour session. The familiar quartet covers a wild array of topics—ranging from beer and nicotine mishaps to social commentary, sports controversies, modern masculinity, history, US politics, and the state of comedy. As always, the drinking flows, and so does the irreverent humor and sharp insight.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Beer, Drinking, and Nicotine Pouch Escapades

• IPAs & Calories: The guys discuss beer preferences, the "heaviness" of IPAs versus Guinness, and past habits of excessive IPA consumption.
  • "I used to be into IPAs, then I gained like 45 pounds in a month." —Tony Hinchcliffe [00:50]
  • "Guinness is the heaviest, right?" —Jamie Vernon [01:03]
• Nicotine Pouch Antics: Jamie reveals his difficulty with quitting nicotine pouches, recounting a night of restless sleep after overdoing it.
  • "Each one of them is 6 milligrams. It's just bang, bang, bang...and then it was time to go to bed." —Jamie Vernon [02:24]
  • Joe tries one and immediately regrets it: "My legs are tingling...I can't relax." [05:07, 43:17]
• Group's Physical Reactions: The men banter on how these substances impact their bodies, with comedic exaggeration about being "wired" or unable to sleep.

2. WNBA, Gender Politics, and Sports Culture

• Transgender Athletes in Women's Sports: The panel discusses Enes Kanter Freedom's podcasting and activism, with critical takes on gender policies in sports, referencing a transgender player in France and the visibility of the issue.
  • "They've painted themselves into the most loony position where they can't define what a woman is." —Jamie Vernon [05:29]
  • "I like when [Kanter] went after LeBron...you're always talking about human rights." —Shane Gillis [05:41]
• Sexual Dynamics in the WNBA: Jokes blend with observations about the prevalence of openly gay athletes and social dynamics in women’s basketball.
  • "It's mostly big black gay ladies and a few scared looking Sophie Cunninghams..." —Jamie Vernon [11:44]
• Controversy Equals Attention: They argue that controversy (racial, transgender, or aggression) increases league visibility and ticket sales.
  • "No one's talked about WNBA more than in the last two weeks." —Shane Gillis [06:49]

3. Pop Culture, Outfits, & Social Media

• NBA Fashion: A comical look at NBA players’ increasingly extravagant pregame outfits and comparisons to pop culture.
  • "When they walk into the locker room, they all wear the craziest outfits." —Tony Hinchcliffe [12:42]
  • Jamie brings up Magic Johnson’s son and Instagram pages like “Cum Core” for a wild tangent on gay subcultures and self-identity [13:41].
• The State of Celebrity, Social Media, and Fake News: They dissect how stories, especially false or exaggerated ones, propagate via Twitter and Instagram, emphasizing the difficulty of verifying information in the modern "wild west" of news.
  • "Now I see any article, I go, I don't know if that's probably fake. I'd have no way of knowing." —Shane Gillis [21:27]

4. Conspiracy, Political Corruption, and Cultural Controversies

• Patagonia Wildfire & Israeli Land Controversy: The group rabbit-holes into whether online reports about Israeli involvement in Patagonia land are fake, exploring how rumors spread and are hard to disprove [24:11].
• Crypto, Trump Coin, and Political Grift: Rogan, Tony, and Shane unpack the explosion of meme coins, including "Trump coin," and openly speculate about how crypto offers legal avenues for backroom deals.
  • "It's a sneaky way to pay someone off." —Jamie Vernon [96:12]
• US Politics & Pardons: Discussion about Trump’s legal maneuvers, presidential pardons using "auto pen" signatures, and politicians’ self-protection.
  • "If you try to overturn Biden's pardons, a lot of people, the justice is going to come for them..." —Jamie Vernon [87:26]

5. UFC at the White House, Celebrity Fights, and Old School Showbiz

• UFC on the White House Lawn: Rogan and crew recall the surreal experience of hosting a UFC fight on the White House lawn, complete with backflips and dirt bike stunts.
  • "To win a fight on the White House lawn and then call a former first lady a man. If you wrote that down, I'd be like, that's funny." —Tony Hinchcliffe [32:05]
• Playboy Mansion Stories: They reminisce over late-night gigs at the Playboy Mansion, the datedness of the property, and the odd details of old Hollywood [33:27].
• History of Pornography Rules: There's a lighthearted but insightful walk through the evolution of US pornography laws, covering “obscenity” and how ridiculous some old standards sound today.
  • "You didn't look deep into the mouth of the dragon, but in Hustler, they were spreading that open." —Jamie Vernon [46:09]

6. Comedian Life: Immigrating, Apartments, and International Standup

• Shane's London Troubles: Shane details the struggles of moving to England—including anti-immigration policies, housing difficulties, and the offer of free rent back in the U.S.
  • "I've been turned down by seven apartments." —Shane Gillis [71:00]
• Comparing UK & US Comedy Circuits: The group debates food, comedy club culture, and why American cities (and stage camaraderie) are hard to leave behind [146:00].

7. Health, Conspiracies, and Social Commentary

• Vaccines, Fauci, and Pandemic Fallout: They heavily criticize Anthony Fauci and government public health campaigns, referencing allegations of hidden data and the AZT AIDS medication scandal.
  • "That guy is a sociopath. People that are thinking that this guy was some sort of a health care hero—you don't know what happened in the 80s." —Jamie Vernon [79:28]
• Biowarfare Fears: Rogan brings up Annie Jacobson's books on nuclear and biowar, noting government experimentation and hypothetical weaponized viruses [76:43].
  • "They made a plague, the bubonic plague, that the first 24 hours...makes you feel euphoric—like ecstasy—so that you want to go out and talk to people..." —Tony Hinchcliffe [77:24]

8. Sports Talk – Old and New

• Historical Badasses: Tony and Joe revel in stories of Ulysses S. Grant, the Civil War, Daniel Boone, Spartans, Comanches, and more, blending trivia with comedy [176:02–185:39].
• Modern Sports Gambling: Concern about the explosion of sports betting and potential for corruption in the college and pro game.
  • "Players are just fully throwing games..." —Shane Gillis [260:04]

9. The State of American Cities, Homelessness, and Social Decay

• Deep dive into the homeless crisis, especially in LA and San Francisco, tracing causes from policy and cultural changes to pandemic acceleration.
  • "They spent $24 billion on the homeless problem in California, and it only got worse." —Jamie Vernon [184:47]

10. Comedic Wrap-Up and Closing Banter

• The Power of Instagram Reels: Jokes about Hank (Tony’s dad) endlessly watching animal reels, as the group muses on tech addiction and the difficulty unplugging.
• Classic Comedy Stories: Tales of the perils of early stand-up gigs, sketchy club owners, and other war stories round out the session.
• Derailed by Diarrhea: Shane repeatedly references his struggles with a parasite from Brazil—in true comic form [153:06, 262:03].
• Plans for the Night: Ending with debates about whether to keep drinking, see Derosa, or eat pizza, the episode fades off as it began: with laughter, friendship, and irreverence.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [02:24] Jamie Vernon: "Each one of them is 6 milligrams. It's just bang, bang, bang...and then it was time to go to bed."
• [05:07] Joe Rogan: "My legs are tingling. My toes about to be twitching."
• [06:49] Shane Gillis: "No one's talked about WNBA more than talk about in the last two weeks."
• [32:05] Tony Hinchcliffe: “To win a fight on the White House lawn and then call a former first lady a man. If you wrote that down, I'd be like, that's funny.”
• [87:26] Jamie Vernon: "...if you try to overturn Biden's pardons...there's going to be a lot of people where the justice is going to be coming for him unless a Republican gets into office."
• [146:00] Jamie Vernon: “There's no reason to be over there [England]...You need to be around the comics.”
• [184:47] Jamie Vernon: "They spent $24 billion on the homeless problem in California, and it only got worse..."
• [259:41] Joe Rogan: "It's a tough time. Something's gotta give."
• [262:14] Jamie Vernon: "There's so much going on right now that's being manipulated by just a small amount of people."

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Beer & Nicotine Escapades: 00:13 – 07:10
• WNBA & Gender in Sports: 05:17 – 17:10
• Transgender Athlete Debate: 17:10 – 20:00
• Discussion of Social Media and Fake News: 21:21 – 23:59
• Crypto, Trump Coin, and Political Grift: 87:26 – 96:56
• UFC at the White House: 26:43 – 33:00
• Playboy Mansion, Old Comedy Days: 33:27 – 37:00
• Homeless Crisis in LA & San Francisco: 184:47 – 185:12
• US Civil War & Historical Badasses: 176:02 – 185:39
• Comedy Club Tales & War Stories: 162:49 – 177:08
• London Stand-Up / Shane’s Immigration Woes: 71:16 – 76:16
• Biowarfare / Vaccine Allegations: 76:33 – 82:41
• Tech & Social Media Rabbit Hole: 104:03 – 106:00
• Final Wrap-Up & Plans for Night: 263:03 – 266:38

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a perfect encapsulation of the "Protect Our Parks" vibe: unfiltered camaraderie, rapid-fire riffing, and a mix of serious (if debatable) observations with relentless, raunchy humor. Political ranting, ridiculous stories, and pop culture references run side by side, making it a treat for fans who love the free-wheeling JRE format. There’s little structure but lots of laughs—and enough insight for listeners to feel they're inside the comedians’ inner circle, if only for an afternoon.

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Listen if:
You want a marathon podcast filled with comedy, controversial opinions, American history, sports, and a peek into the comedy world’s wildest minds.

Skip if:
You crave tightly structured podcasts or shy away from highly offensive, boundary-pushing banter.

Hosts:

• Joe Rogan
• Shane Gillis
• Tony Hinchcliffe
• Jamie Vernon

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“It's just… it's never gonna happen again. It was so insane.” — Jamie Vernon on the UFC at the White House [31:19]

“No one's tried to stop a trans man from playing in the NBA. Nobody cares. But a guy wants to play in the WNBA and it's over.” — Joe Rogan [17:45]

“You want to talk about a dinosaur, let’s talk about Bill Lambert!” — Shane Gillis [10:36]

“If you were living in Mongolia in 1200—imagine!” — Jamie Vernon [223:45]

Transcript

[Joe Rogan]

Joe Rogan podcast.

[Shane Gillis]

Check it out.

[Jamie Vernon]

The Joe Rogan Experience. Train my day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. Yes. Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Boys, let's go. What is that? A boiled soda. Hold on. I need a drink. What are you doing? Water.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hold on, hold on.

[Joe Rogan]

Hand me a bodega or a sorts.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Why do you have water?

[Jamie Vernon]

Because I didn't know we're about to start.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You got beers in there?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Changed.

[Jamie Vernon]

I got you.

[Joe Rogan]

Let me start with a beer and get, get, get moving here. I just got off a flight. Thank you. Bodiga Cat, available now. Hey, Gracia. What is that?

[Shane Gillis]

What is this?

[Jamie Vernon]

This is. No. A Voodoo Ranger ipa.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Jamie Vernon]

Can you give me that ice cube? That glass?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Thanks.

[Joe Rogan]

Thank you.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're not into IPAs?

[Joe Rogan]

No, no.

[Shane Gillis]

If you're having one or two IPAs.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I used to be, and then I gained like 45 pounds. Yeah, like a month.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a milkshake.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It was crazy. I was drinking them like Bud Lights. I'd get done with this show. I'd have 10 IP.

[Joe Rogan]

This one's nice. They taste great, but they're he.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, Guinness is the heaviest, right?

[Joe Rogan]

I love it.

[Jamie Vernon]

You can only have a few of those.

[Shane Gillis]

They're less calories.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You can lower calories. Yeah. Yeah. Surprising.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's crazy. I would have never guessed.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, no, they rule second. Second only to.

[Jamie Vernon]

But I would have thought it was like super. Hey, I would have thought all the super creaminess and everything that it has to be like heavy calories.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no.

[Shane Gillis]

Surprise.

[Joe Rogan]

So, vitamins.

[Jamie Vernon]

So a Budweiser versus a Guinness.

[Joe Rogan]

Buzz. Way fatter.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. It's all wheat.

[Jamie Vernon]

Crazy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Hey, guys, let's leave the Anheuser Busch family out of this.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, sorry. It's a fine product.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We've been through enough, boys.

[Shane Gillis]

So a Miller versus a. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Miller.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't it crazy? This works? It actually does. It does stop it from popping.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Does it actually work?

[Joe Rogan]

It does work.

[Jamie Vernon]

How long you have to do it for?

[Joe Rogan]

I think that was enough. Look at that. He threw me a beer.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's incredible.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I wonder how the fuck that works.

[Shane Gillis]

Maybe who discovered it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Serious little kids opening fucking sodas.

[Shane Gillis]

Do everything we can.

[Jamie Vernon]

Back when they didn't have phones, they figured out a lot of things.

[Joe Rogan]

So you're off the nicotine? I think it might start. Yeah. If you got a pouch. Got one on you? Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You're going to buzz out.

[Joe Rogan]

I've never done a pouch.

[Shane Gillis]

You're going to buzz.

[Jamie Vernon]

Light you up, dude.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I don't mind.

[Joe Rogan]

About what are we doing here?

[Jamie Vernon]

I think I'm going to stop because last night I couldn't get to sleep, cuz I. I was sitting in the green room, and I just kept chewing on them, and then I chewed on one on the way home. And then I got home and I. I turned on the TV for a little bit, popped another one in. Each one of them is 6 milligrams. It's just bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. And then it was time to go to bed. I was laying in bed. I'm like, ah, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

It's time to like.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Norman, you've never had one.

[Joe Rogan]

No. And it burns.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. You're gonna hate that last time. You're gonna.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's gonna. It's gonna hurt your brains.

[Jamie Vernon]

Nervous hiccups. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, no.

[Jamie Vernon]

The nines. Those, like, nines really give you. Lucy's has.

[Shane Gillis]

Wait.

[Jamie Vernon]

Nine milligrams.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Nine milligrams. These are six. These are.

[Joe Rogan]

All right. All right.

[Jamie Vernon]

But six is a lot.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I like that, Norman, you do this a lot, where you'll be like, I'll do it. And as soon as you do it,

[Joe Rogan]

you go, oh, huge mistake.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like that time you accidentally took Molly.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. The green Whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Molly was wonderful.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that was a bad night.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I had such a nice night.

[Joe Rogan]

I had to take the bus home.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You didn't have to do that. You panicked.

[Joe Rogan]

I panicked. I had to get out of there. But I took a bolt bus back to New York.

[Shane Gillis]

Bus on Molly.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But we both took. He was like, I'll do it if you do it. I was like, all right, I'll do it. We both took Molly. And then instantly, he was like, why'd we do that?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, Big J wouldn't stop talking. Yeah. I had to get out of there.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, no, no.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's too much.

[Shane Gillis]

Philadelphia. You took a bolt bus back to Philly.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. Chinatown bus from. Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

You can't run around.

[Jamie Vernon]

Why did you take a bus back?

[Joe Rogan]

We were poor.

[Shane Gillis]

It's convenient.

[Joe Rogan]

It was right there. It was like dollars.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The bus is like a dollar.

[Shane Gillis]

It's downtown to downtown, too. It's pretty quick.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This is hit.

[Shane Gillis]

You just got to watch one beheading in the seat next to you.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's going to bug you. It goes quick, dude, keep it in.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't spit it out like Jason Statham on in Crank.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is that an alp?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, it's zen.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Six is a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I'm wired.

[Shane Gillis]

You're gonna die.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's go. N words.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm giving it up. I'm gonna try at least, because yesterday on the podcast, I had a bunch, and then at night I had a bunch, and I was like, this is too much nicotine.

[Joe Rogan]

She tries sleeping pills. That's what I do.

[Shane Gillis]

That she's gonna stop at 7 or 8.

[Jamie Vernon]

I always can sleep. That's the thing. I never have a problem sleeping. I had to sleep on a pile of rocks.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, you do espresso before bed?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, I have no problem with that. It's just the nicotine gets me. It's just too much. There's so much. I mean, they.

[Shane Gillis]

Like.

[Jamie Vernon]

I've read something. You should only have, like, 3 milligrams or 6 milligrams a day. And I was like, what?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Well, there.

[Joe Rogan]

Shut up.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, maybe I'm popping them before workouts. Popping them while I'm shooting my bow.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Nor's getting nervous. He's like, maybe I started too heavy here. Sweat. Don't take it out, don't take it out.

[Joe Rogan]

My legs are tingling. My toes about to be twitching.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, you're going to start sneezing.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, how about that wnba?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, that dude who wants to qualify for the wnba. What's his name?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Cantor?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, he just did trigonometry.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, geez.

[Shane Gillis]

Freedom.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, hilarious.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's getting into podcasting.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, of course. Smart move. Look, it's a great move for him. Look, they've. They've painted themselves into the most loony position where they can't define what a woman is.

[Shane Gillis]

I like when he went after LeBron.

[Jamie Vernon]

What do you say?

[Shane Gillis]

He's like, hey, you're always talking about human rights. And you're, like, saying, NBA should go to China.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, what.

[Shane Gillis]

What's.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Come on a good one a while ago about, I think the leader of Turkey. Turkey.

[Joe Rogan]

What's his name?

[Shane Gillis]

Virgin Nourion.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I remember that's when that was, like, his first controversy.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, that's when he was like, yeah. His family had to disown him.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. You can't come back to.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's like a troll.

[Shane Gillis]

No, no, no, that was Rebel. Oh, it was bad.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That was a good one.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay, this thing that he's doing where he's pretending that he's a woman is very smart. Like, in this day and age, we almost need someone that's a public figure to do something like that, to show everyone how ridiculous it is that some psychopath can just pretend that they're a woman and knock women over on the court.

[Joe Rogan]

I gotta take this out.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Norman's a woman.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude, there's what my belly there's some country where there is. Oh, it's France, where there's a transgender woman on the team. Just dominates. I bet it's a giant dude. A giant dude just dominating these chicks.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And the ticket sales are up there.

[Shane Gillis]

Not. Go watch. No one's talked about WNBA more than talk about in the last two weeks.

[Jamie Vernon]

What's that?

[Shane Gillis]

No one's talked about this league more than the last.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

WNBA found it.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's true.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Because nobody cared about the league at all.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is the guy, yo. Like, that's preposterous. Just literally preposterous.

[Joe Rogan]

She's on the B league.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't think she's in the pros.

[Jamie Vernon]

No. She plays for France.

[Shane Gillis]

French national. Under. Under.

[Joe Rogan]

Wouldn't turn down an offer to play in the NBA or wnba.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

Why would you want to go where the money sucks?

[Shane Gillis]

I go for 75 grand a year,

[Joe Rogan]

actually. Got it upped.

[Jamie Vernon]

Who's the biggest baller in the wnba? Like, who makes the most?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I don't know who makes the most,

[Joe Rogan]

but Clark's got those.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Asia Wilson, the best player.

[Jamie Vernon]

Asia Wilson's the best player.

[Joe Rogan]

And the girl with the glasses with the poofy hair, she's very good.

[Shane Gillis]

Boston.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know if you said her name. I know she's really.

[Jamie Vernon]

What is. What is, like, top player.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm sure their salaries suck.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it's all endorsements. It's endorsements.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. So Caitlin Clark is probably the highest paid.

[Jamie Vernon]

So the more controversy there is, the more people do come to see them. Do you think they allow them to foul more now because.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, they went with. That's what I was about to say. Nobody watched the league forever. It hemorrhaged money forever.

[Shane Gillis]

And then profitable year last year, racial

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

division, they go, oh, there's money here. And now we got the transgender thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, the transgender thing's not real yet. There's not a real transgender person in the wnba, but they're definitely some roller derby going down. They're throwing those on their heads.

[Joe Rogan]

I like it.

[Shane Gillis]

I like it. It's 80s basket. Is Larry Birga punching somebody?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm like a whole league of bill and beers.

[Jamie Vernon]

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[Shane Gillis]

Oh, the hands off of the stars sucks.

[Jamie Vernon]

They would. And he watched some highlights like showing what it was like, like Jesus, they

[Shane Gillis]

threw down when they retired Bill Lambert's number. They instructed the ushers to cheap shot everyone as they're showing their seats.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's awesome.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, those guys fought. Yeah, it got ridiculous. And now the WNBA is doing the same thing.

[Shane Gillis]

The best was Oakley. They would like break up a fight and the foul line, he was just like hey, they won't let us meet me outside though afterwards. Let's meet outside. Let's actually do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

The crazy thing about the wnba, imagine if the NBA had the same sexual dynamic. Imagine if the the most of the team was a bunch of gay dudes who were like very aggressive and black. Black's already there. You know what I'm saying?

[Joe Rogan]

Do you know what I'm saying?

[Jamie Vernon]

Imagine if you reversed that. If The WNBA was just a bunch of straigh playing basketball. No controversy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Sex isn't even a thought in the NBA. No one thinks about gay players in the NBA. In the WNBA there's a ton of like out.

[Shane Gillis]

It's mostly gay.

[Joe Rogan]

It's all mostly gay. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Mostly big black gay ladies and a few scared looking Sophie Cumminghams that have to point fingers at people. You're surrounded.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Black people think you're, you know, like perhaps sexually attractive.

[Shane Gillis]

And the heterose that come in, the rest of them go like I'm going to turn you.

[Jamie Vernon]

They try to turn the head around.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

They're like conquest for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

They've made it into a reality show. It's become like Real Housewives. They're all just fight now. Right. That's the only reason you watch.

[Jamie Vernon]

But it is an interesting sexual dynamic.

[Joe Rogan]

Of course.

[Jamie Vernon]

Imagine if it was like that in the NBA.

[Joe Rogan]

But this happened with the women.

[Jamie Vernon]

Giant homos. Just big, giant 7 foot tall gay guys.

[Shane Gillis]

All right, break it up.

[Jamie Vernon]

Trying to break it.

[Shane Gillis]

Break it up.

[Jamie Vernon]

Partying. Going everywhere and wearing leather and are

[Joe Rogan]

they do do that? Are they dating?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Dress very gay.

[Shane Gillis]

NBA. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh yeah. What's going on? Crazy outfit

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

fashion show. When they walk into the locker room they all wear the craziest outfits.

[Shane Gillis]

Hats.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Shane Gillis]

Derby hats?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wait a minute.

[Shane Gillis]

What?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is just fashionable. The shoes and the mask.

[Shane Gillis]

The mask.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't see Larry Bird wearing that.

[Jamie Vernon]

What is. Okay.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What's going on?

[Jamie Vernon]

This is crazy. Step on a stair. Wrong.

[Shane Gillis]

What is that?

[Jamie Vernon]

Clay?

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa, wait a minute.

[Jamie Vernon]

They really dress like this?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Every game.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Every game.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is this a big thing? Do they get like sponsors for their clothing?

[Shane Gillis]

Like a setup MET gala every day.

[Jamie Vernon]

So you see them walking through the hallways. That's the deal.

[Joe Rogan]

Pull up Magic Johnson's son if you can.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh geez.

[Joe Rogan]

He's not a player. He's not talking about a wacky outfit or Dwayne Wade to a hot start.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Fell.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Just.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's go. We're back.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that. I mean that he's like.

[Jamie Vernon]

This was not the kind of gay that I was talking about.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Draymon and the cat.

[Jamie Vernon]

I stumbled upon an Instagram page called Cum Core.

[Joe Rogan]

What the family.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hardcore music for gay guys. So it's gay guys in like little like nipple leather straps and jock straps and motorcycle hats.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, bare chested, hairy. And they're doing hardcore music and they're just talking about sucking dicks and getting cum.

[Joe Rogan]

Boy.

[Jamie Vernon]

So that's the kind of Gay I was talking about. This is just fashionable.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, that would be the type of gay you would be if you were gay.

[Shane Gillis]

You'd be a shot.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, I bet. I'd get bored.

[Jamie Vernon]

I get bored with it. I probably settled down with some twink.

[Shane Gillis]

No way. You had a fight.

[Jamie Vernon]

The thing about, like, the. Those gay guys that don't have kids, all they want to do is.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

They just.

[Joe Rogan]

All the time.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't have any kids. No one can get pregnant. They just. All the time.

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Shane Gillis]

I know a guy, the comic store good looking guy and his boyfriend was like, can you just. He would cheat all the time. And he's like, can you just not give me aids? And then our friend, he goes, I can't promise that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Ace doesn't even scare anybody anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

What's worse, AIDS are pregnant question.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, a guy gets pregnant, you're like, well, you've been lied to. You've been a fake guy.

[Joe Rogan]

True. Yeah, but you got prep now. Prep is big.

[Jamie Vernon]

But the thing about, like, trans men, like, they can't get pregnant anymore. It's one of the side effects. One of the side effects of taking all the testosterone. It makes them infertile.

[Joe Rogan]

Also, trans women, potentially no period. Which I think is an advantage. All these other girls have to worry

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

about a being mean for a week.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly. And they fight. There's no. No trans period.

[Shane Gillis]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

But it's male.

[Joe Rogan]

That's an advantage.

[Jamie Vernon]

On top of that, you're dosing yourself up with estrogen. So, like, where are you doing it once a week? Is there a spike in your estrogen? That is a dip down. Do you get, you know, do you have balance it out between masculine and feminine, Jamie. Depending on your injections.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I see the trap.

[Shane Gillis]

It is. It is what that means.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You've been thinking about this. And I apologize for leaving cans. I leave cans every time I leave. You're right. I didn't even think about it until I noticed you put a trash can here.

[Jamie Vernon]

Don't sweat it, big dog.

[Joe Rogan]

But they've painted themselves in the corner because if they don't let the guy in, it looks bad. Right? But if they do, he's gonna dunk.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, the thing is, can you define what a woman is? And until you can't. If you can't define what a woman is, then you're an idiot. And this is nonsense. And that's what your ideology is. Your ideology is so stupid. You can't define the difference between a male and a female. And so you've decided that people identifying with something means It's a real thing. And you have to say it because everybody else says it and they scare you and they'll cancel you and go after you. So everyone's agreed to nonsense. So this is where we painted ourselves into this dumbass fucking corner.

[Shane Gillis]

I think everybody kind of agrees.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like even AOC was just talking about how woke point 1.0 was crazy and all the different things that she was saying, all the defund the police talk that was going on that everybody realized that's a ridiculous thing to say.

[Shane Gillis]

I think both sides on sports are like, stupid issue. We shouldn't let's know we're not going to die on that. But they were saying Democrats are like, we're taking that off the table.

[Jamie Vernon]

What do you mean?

[Shane Gillis]

They're like, yeah, we. I think it's like 80% of Democrats don't.

[Jamie Vernon]

Don't think, oh, trans women, sports.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

So it's just the right dunking on the left because they're like, yeah, but it was.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's a thing where those people that are the most radical will come after you if you don't agree wholeheartedly with their nonsense. So if you say anything like, you know, look, trans women aren't women. There are men who identify as women, which is fine. But there's a biological distinction that protects women in sports, and that's chromosomes. We know, XX chromosome, you're a woman. Xy, you're a dude. Do it that way. Call yourself whatever the fuck you want, but if you want to play in the wnba, you have to have xx. And if you want to be a fucking. Well, look, that's the other thing. No one gives a shit if a trans man wants to try and play in the NBA.

[Shane Gillis]

Here's something.

[Jamie Vernon]

No one's. No one's trying to stop that.

[Shane Gillis]

Wait till someone. WNBA comes out as a man.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the rumor.

[Shane Gillis]

There is a rumor. Solid one. I'm not gonna say who, but did they wipe their name off the record books?

[Joe Rogan]

That's maybe that's why they're holding off.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They probably should.

[Shane Gillis]

They should.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, if you look at hall of Fame.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. He actually got those stats as a player.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

If you were like, I was a man the whole time, you'd be like,

[Jamie Vernon]

oh, yeah, Caitlyn Jenner won the Olympics as Bruce. But what happens if you go back to the Olympics in 1976? Who won the Olympics?

[Shane Gillis]

Wipe it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Does it say Bruce or does it

[Joe Rogan]

say Caitlyn, who's on the Wheaties?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I think Bruce won it, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, but what it's gonna say? I don't know. That's dead naming. And that can get you killed. I bet Bruce was like dead naming. It used to get you banned from Twitter for life.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

That's not bad. That's a good place to be, actually.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Those people are probably doing great.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot better.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Psychologically, they probably have added years onto their lives.

[Shane Gillis]

It's like banning you from heroin. That's probably for the best.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not even that, because heroin's fun. I bet.

[Shane Gillis]

I bet heroin's fun. Never fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

Twitter's never fun.

[Shane Gillis]

I was hoping Musk bought it. He would just, like, bury it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, it's more fun. It's more fun with him.

[Joe Rogan]

It's wilder, it's wilder. It's like full on.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wild, wild west. They figured out a thing.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're doing something now where when people get paid, you have to. You can only get paid for original or accurate content because there's people that were. What they were doing is saying, like, Shane Gillis murders six in a bar. And then you make a story. You make a story and you post it and everybody clicks on it. And you get money just from a full on made up story. And there was a ton of those because these foreign companies would just make thousands of fucking fake accounts and then maybe millions and then make a bunch of fake stories. So there's fake stories flooding your timeline and you're like, what? And you look at it, 600,000 views. This must be real. And then you click on it too. So they're making money off people.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's a good thing, though, now that all the news is fake.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

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[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Maybe we can stop giving a about the news.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it'd be nice.

[Jamie Vernon]

It'd be nice.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Now I look at it, I see any article, I go, I don't know

[Shane Gillis]

if that's probably fake. I would have no way of knowing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, speaking of which, what are your people doing in Argentina? Did you got your people light Argentina on fire? Now they're trying to steal it. That's what I heard.

[Joe Rogan]

English.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, that's your new people.

[Shane Gillis]

Los Malvinas and Argentinos. I start with Argentina.

[Joe Rogan]

You gotta pick a side. I don't know who you are anymore.

[Jamie Vernon]

So they started to fire.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm not going to be anti Semitic.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's not even anti semitic. It's about policy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But

[Shane Gillis]

we do love. We do love illegal campfires.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, they let. They lit it on fire.

[Joe Rogan]

Who did?

[Jamie Vernon]

They're giving a hundred thousand hectare. Well, some Israelis lit this part of Patagonia on fire. And then they're giving 100 Chilean.

[Shane Gillis]

Patagonia or Argentina.

[Jamie Vernon]

Argentina.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, that's.

[Jamie Vernon]

I believe it's Patagonia. I might be wrong, but the point is they lit a gigantic amount of forest on fire. And now with the weather, when I was there, when I was giving Israel that land.

[Shane Gillis]

What do you mean?

[Joe Rogan]

What's the story?

[Jamie Vernon]

Find the story.

[Joe Rogan]

Give it a Google.

[Shane Gillis]

When I was there, I was lighting. I was like, campfires, you know, and as you work your way down, at some point they're like, no campfires in the national park. I was like, what? And then you would just start lighting them and then they go, you know, this whole place burned like seven years ago to the ground because of campfires. I was like, nope.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, the thing about campfires, you're just giving any retard the ability just light fires in the woods, you know? Crazy. That is. It's so.

[Shane Gillis]

Throw a bush in there.

[Jamie Vernon]

Should be way more forced.

[Shane Gillis]

Put the bench in there.

[Jamie Vernon]

Would you really think about how stupid people are? There should be probably a lot more forest Fires than there are.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What about Malibu? Was that. Was that planned?

[Jamie Vernon]

That was a. That was arson they got.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, the guy's in jail. They caught him. That's straight up arson. He was inspired by Luigi really to do something. Yes, he's inspired by Luigi to light the Palisades on fire.

[Shane Gillis]

He was looking all the rich houses, right. And going, those people.

[Jamie Vernon]

There was a lot of people that were lighting things on fire. While it was. While the chaos was happening, people were just out there lighting things on fire. Huber been caught people on video. He caught some. Yeah. Caught some guys in Malibu on video lighting things on fire. They had gasoline, they had fucking lighters. They had torches. People were just running around lighting parts, contributing to it.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. The question is, is that orchestrated?

[Jamie Vernon]

No. You've. You've empowered a bunch of fucking mentally ill people to camp on your streets when things go sideways and they burn it all to the ground, that hurts them. Zero. And it's fun.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's what I'm talking about with the parks.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

We should have some Frisbees.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay. No one has been publicly identified or proven to start the recent Patagonia fires in Argentina. Investigators in Chubat have said at least one blaze appeared to be deliberately set, but the investigation has not established a named perpetrator. Claims blaming. I don't know what that word is. Mapuche communities or Israeli visitors are unsubstantiated. Chabot chief prosecutor said rejected the Mapuche allegation and reporting, saying prosecutors did not consider the claims against Israelis a credible lead. Okay, but now here's the question. Did they really just give that land to Israel? Did they give 100 hectares or whatever it is? That's. That's fake.

[Joe Rogan]

They throw Israel in.

[Shane Gillis]

Everything they really do, everything leads back to Israel.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is it all fake?

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I just. It's everything I look up online says.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So this is.

[Jamie Vernon]

If it is fake. If it is fake. This is a perfect example. What we're talking about. Pedagogy is wild example where they create these stories.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And, you know, there's probably something to this. What is that?

[Joe Rogan]

There's stuff on the Twitter that says it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay. What does it say on Twitter?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know that it's accurate or what these accounts are, you know.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right. What does it say, though?

[Shane Gillis]

From Shadow Intel?

[Jamie Vernon]

X. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So I don't know.

[Jamie Vernon]

Definitely true. Definitely real.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's.

[Jamie Vernon]

But let's. So, yeah. So here it is. Look at this guy. Is that a bot? Dr. Sam Youssef, PhD, PhD, DPT760,000 followers. It might be real. What does it say? Argentina exposes Israel takeover plan and the government is in on it. Argentinian presidential spokesman just blew the lid on the secret. What does it say, though? Click on show.

[Joe Rogan]

More

[Jamie Vernon]

protected rural conservative land can now be sold to foreign private entities once a fire passes through it. So this is the problem.

[Shane Gillis]

What.

[Jamie Vernon]

What I was reading in this story was someone designers, it can be sold once a fire has passed through it. So we've got emojis in it. They lit it on fire.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's legit.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, once you have emojis, it knows you care.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I like that Argentina copied our White House press conference room, though.

[Shane Gillis]

That's pretty cool.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's cool.

[Shane Gillis]

We were there.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's pretty. Yeah, we were.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, we were in there doing press conferences. Me and Shane and o'. Connor.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, it was pretty nice, the White House press conference.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Well, we didn't know we were gonna go, so we were just. We were walking around D.C. and then

[Shane Gillis]

one of Shane's CAA friends was like, yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They're like, do you want to come in?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. They're like, potus isn't here. He's in Tennessee at a UFC event.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

So they were like, he's in Florida. No, snipers are here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

We're like, oh, sick.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They're like, potuses. And here, he's in Florida at ufc.

[Jamie Vernon]

So that was the Miami ufc.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's my guy. That's my president, y'.

[Joe Rogan]

All.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's not working. He's at ufc.

[Jamie Vernon]

How wild was the UFC at the White House?

[Joe Rogan]

That was wild.

[Jamie Vernon]

That was insane, right?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That was, like, fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm so glad I talked you into doing that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I. Yeah, me too.

[Shane Gillis]

You had to go wrestling.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm like, this is only going to happen one time.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Like, I. I shouldn't go.

[Shane Gillis]

You were wrestling with it.

[Joe Rogan]

Motorcycles going over the.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's what got me.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was laying on my couch after I canceled. I said yes and canceled like, four times. And then the last time I canceled was the day before. And then I saw they're doing dirt bikes on the front lawn. And I was like, I gotta see this. Yeah, I should see this.

[Shane Gillis]

We're at the Cellar. And he was like. He was like, what should I do? I don't think I should. I don't want the heat. I'm like, yeah, don't go. He goes, but I don't want to tell him. Let me do what to do. I'm like, no, no, don't. Don't go.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. Everyone agreed with me.

[Shane Gillis]

No matter which side you were.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, I see. Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was at the Cellar and I was. I don't feel like dealing with it. Also war and Iran or this. This is a crazy time to be like, I support this.

[Joe Rogan]

Everyone had a great time but Nate.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Nate was. He had a good time.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, not later.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, but he doesn't care. He's not reading it.

[Shane Gillis]

That was a fake one too.

[Jamie Vernon]

It didn't affect his ticket sales at all. All these people saying that they canceled off. He sells out two stadiums a night.

[Shane Gillis]

That was a fake one. It was the same newspaper writing 10 articles.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, well, it's just they. They'll go after anybody who's even remotely connected to that White House also, and they'll change.

[Shane Gillis]

It's just sports.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's just fights.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The fights are great. I was so happy to see that Gaethje fight.

[Joe Rogan]

Gage is the best.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was one of the coolest fights, the perfect ending. And he beat a guy who most people thought was the best pound for pound fighter in the world.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Really?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Toporia is a monster two division world champion. Deport is one of the most skillful guys that's ever fought in mma. He's fought good, man.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

But Gaethje pulled it off. Pulled it off in front of the whole world. And then did a backflip off the top of the cage with the White House behind him.

[Shane Gillis]

Nice.

[Jamie Vernon]

And landed in the middle of the cage. Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I saw the dirt bikes. I saw the practice flyovers. I was like, I gotta see these flyovers.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. I just was. It was so sick when we were talking. I'm like, this is never going to happen again in human history.

[Joe Rogan]

Apparently Teddy Roosevelt had fights on the lawn. Really? Back in the day.

[Shane Gillis]

With his wife.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, unless you got a time machine, bitch, you're never going to see it again.

[Shane Gillis]

It's funny seeing people weigh in. They're like, it's cage fighting. And it's like, it's human cockfighting. I'm like, bro, this sport.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You're like, these left wing people are

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

just discovering Biden did some wild things on the White House.

[Shane Gillis]

What do you do? They have Easter egg hunts.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They had fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, you know, they had the trannies with their titties out.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Something like that.

[Jamie Vernon]

They had such a trans ladies with the tits out. Yeah. What's really funny, they took pictures like for Instagram with their tits out in front of the White House. And then people saying that the cage fight is desecrating the lawn. Like, come on, guys.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, if you have A lawn that

[Jamie Vernon]

both things are ridiculous. You should have. But at least one thing is cool to look at.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

One thing is fun and the other one's. The UFC.

[Jamie Vernon]

Set up the dunk.

[Shane Gillis]

Those all seem like a fun with that lawn.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Fighter jets ruled. The fights ruled.

[Jamie Vernon]

The fighter jets were so close to each other. That's what freaked me out. I was like, if one of these attacks.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah. That was crazy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I did. I did Bennington's podcast the next day and he told me about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And I was like, oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It was elaborate. They had a guy pushing people towards one way and then another. People with

[Jamie Vernon]

drones. Bombs on drones.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That I don't think that crowd gone the direction whoever.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Would want them to.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That crowd would have been sprinting directly at whoever was shooting people.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

They would have stomped that dude to death.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

My section that I was sitting in was like 10 Medal of Honor winners.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, God.

[Shane Gillis]

Waiting for this.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They were like, please let there be a sniper, dude. They would. UFC fighters and soldiers would.

[Jamie Vernon]

You see there was snipers all over the roof?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. Did you notice that?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's snipers all over the rooftop. There was guys everywhere. It was so heavily protected. It was crazy. Cuz I was like, I don't want to do this. I was really like, I don't want to be a part of this. This is going to be too much of a zoo. Too crazy. I don't like it for the fighters. You have to fight outside. What if it rains? What if it's too hot? What if it's this? What if it's that?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, fight outside.

[Jamie Vernon]

So part of me was like. But then I was like, shut up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You sent me that video when you were, like, practicing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Like when you guys were doing, like,

[Jamie Vernon]

a walk the day before he sent me.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He was like, come on, don't be a. And I was like, he's right. I'm being a.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's just. It's never gonna happen again. It was so insane. Me and DC And John Anick were just looking at each other going, what the.

[Shane Gillis]

What a backdrop.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is insane. We're on the lawn of the White House.

[Joe Rogan]

But TMZ tried to get you.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They got it 20 beers deep. What'd you think about saying Michelle Obama's man? I was like, I didn't like it. And then I was like, but he's funny.

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[Jamie Vernon]

The funny thing is entertaining. Joe Rogan didn't say anything when he said that. I'm like, you think I just beat the out of Derrick Lewis what am I gonna hit?

[Shane Gillis]

I'm scared.

[Jamie Vernon]

What am I gonna do?

[Joe Rogan]

What am I gonna do?

[Jamie Vernon]

Hey, don't do that. And they throws me.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The problem with it, it was on paper. Hilarious.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hilarious to.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

To win a fight on the White House lawn and then call a former first lady a man. If you wrote that down, I'd be like, that's funny.

[Jamie Vernon]

Thing is. But he says, Michelle Obama's a man every time I interview him.

[Shane Gillis]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Jamie Vernon]

He said it the last time I interviewed him, too.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

When I'm sitting there, when I'm sitting in that crowd going, this is probably a bad look. This is a weird group of people. And then the guy wins and goes, michelle's a man. I was in the crowd just like, you ruined it. You're doing exactly what they said when you got there.

[Jamie Vernon]

He did a smart thing. I mean, it's very rude. It's very rude. But it's a smart thing because we're all still talking about it. Otherwise, it's just another fight of the night.

[Joe Rogan]

Talk about the Holocaust, too.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, Diego Lopez. Diego Lopez knocked out Steve Garcia. No one's talking about Diego Lopez and Steve Garcia. In the regular news. They're talking about this guy all day long. The next time he shows up at a UFC event, the crowd is going to go fucking bananas. And if he wins, he's a superstar. And he probably doubled his income by saying, Michelle Obama's a man.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, but that's what this WNBA player.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's a pro wrestling heel.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Of course.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. It just validates everything that I was

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

like,

[Joe Rogan]

all right, Michelle Obama should play.

[Jamie Vernon]

They still can't define a woman. They all need to come on board. This is all. Everyone's ridiculous.

[Shane Gillis]

The last time I went to one of these fights was so much lamer with Rogan. We went to a fight on the lawn of. Do you remember this?

[Jamie Vernon]

Which one?

[Shane Gillis]

The fucking.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, the Playboy Mansion.

[Joe Rogan]

It was so bad.

[Shane Gillis]

People didn't know what they were doing.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, what?

[Shane Gillis]

This old fucking man.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think that was waddling out. Was it Strike Force?

[Shane Gillis]

It was below that. I think it was even worse.

[Jamie Vernon]

Remember the company went to the Playboy

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Mansion for a fight?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm pretty sure it was Strike Force.

[Shane Gillis]

This old magazine mogul limps out in front of us, like, five fights in and sits down with these hookers.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know what's weird is how. No, no, I guess he wouldn't be there.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Playboy.

[Jamie Vernon]

What's weird is how dated the place was. What was it? What was weird was how dated the Mansion is. It's like there's an old button phone on the grotto views.

[Joe Rogan]

Old as it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not just old. Like everything's just sad.

[Shane Gillis]

John love.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's still there in the past.

[Joe Rogan]

Cosby was this all day.

[Jamie Vernon]

Everything is like it was. You know, obviously it's all gone now. Somebody. Did somebody buy it? Imagine if we bought the mansion, started doing podcasts out of the place.

[Shane Gillis]

Wait, are we there? Look at that picture. Go back up. I think we're right near him. Behind him, perhaps.

[Joe Rogan]

There you are on the right.

[Jamie Vernon]

What a weird. Imagine look, he died at the right time. Better than that guy died at the right time.

[Shane Gillis]

Huff.

[Jamie Vernon]

Because if he was alive today. Oh my God. For him, imagine what the me too would have been like for half.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a documentary about him. It's pretty rough.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is the mansion for sale? Find out if the Playboy mansion took.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, at least the business. His son took over the business, but

[Jamie Vernon]

they still have the mansion.

[Joe Rogan]

Is the magazine even going.

[Shane Gillis]

Why would.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like if you go to some movie stars house, then they were a movie star in like the 80s. You go to their house and they're in Malibu and you show up and their hair's all. And they're kind of drunk.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay, come on inside. What's wrong with that linoleum floor with like holes in it. You're like, what's wrong?

[Joe Rogan]

I bet Seagal's house is hilarious.

[Shane Gillis]

Me and Norma, we went to Elvis's house.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that was cutting edge.

[Shane Gillis]

It was like four TVs. You can watch every channel.

[Jamie Vernon]

100 million you.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I think we're out.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a little high sale.

[Jamie Vernon]

Original listing price was 200 million. God.

[Joe Rogan]

What do you get the.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a lot of land.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The guy who makes cupcakes bought it.

[Shane Gillis]

Hostess.

[Jamie Vernon]

A hostess guy. I bet he's just running around licking the floor.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, God. Get that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Get all that cream and snail trail off the floor. But that. But that area where. Where he's at, like that. That amount of land might be worth a hundred million dollars because that's. Yeah, like Brentwood.

[Shane Gillis]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

And it's a big park there.

[Shane Gillis]

Take us in shuttles up there.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You remember when he had. He had a. Like a big aviary and there was all these birds in there and do you remember that?

[Shane Gillis]

I don't remember that one.

[Jamie Vernon]

We were walking around because we were high.

[Shane Gillis]

We were pretty sorry.

[Jamie Vernon]

We took some edibles.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you got the Playboy Mansion. Like, let's see these cranes.

[Jamie Vernon]

Cool birds, man. There was cool birds. 5 acres. 5 acres in that area is worth

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

a lot of money.

[Shane Gillis]

12 bedrooms, 21 bathrooms.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Was there a party in the mansion after the fight?

[Joe Rogan]

I don't remember.

[Shane Gillis]

We weren't.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We got out of here.

[Jamie Vernon]

We did. We were nobodies back then. We got on a shuttle. No, we didn't see any tits. No, we just saw the fights. We just went to watch the fights.

[Shane Gillis]

It was like.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was like edibles and watched the fights.

[Shane Gillis]

Joe Rogan was like he was once on a show. News radio.

[Jamie Vernon]

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[Shane Gillis]

Days, maybe early.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think it was like year one or two of fear fact. It was early on, man. It was early because this is before, like Ultimate Fighter.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

By the way, my bad on that.

[Jamie Vernon]

What?

[Shane Gillis]

What?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Just be like, did you stay and look at tits? You're like, no, we left right away. Yeah, my bad, fellas.

[Jamie Vernon]

There was no T. It was really like they rented the place.

[Shane Gillis]

Never Stayed for the end of the parties.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I know. Yeah, I agree.

[Joe Rogan]

We.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like they rented the place out as like a. A location, you know, like where you could have your conference there. That's what it felt like.

[Shane Gillis]

They sold it off the name little by little.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Professional. All good, above board. We can move on.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no grotto, nothing. I mean, I'd have to look around.

[Jamie Vernon]

Those are the days where we used to have to go to Inglewood to get our weed. We have to go and we have to. We used to have to go to get it medical. Because there was no. It wasn't legal unless you had a medical license. So you'd have to go to the Englewood. And the place that I went to the. I had to stop going there because the guy got shot. He got robbed. Because they only could get deposit your

[Shane Gillis]

money because they were like, that's drug money.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They shot the doctor.

[Jamie Vernon]

They shot a dude working there. A dude I knew when it was

[Joe Rogan]

for sale still, he was still alive. And you had to allow him to stay.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, really?

[Jamie Vernon]

That's hilarious.

[Shane Gillis]

You have to live with an old man.

[Jamie Vernon]

However, the sale comes with one catch. Anyone who wants to live like Hugh Hefner will have to live with him. Whoa, that's crazy. Predicated the new owner allowing the 89 year old Playboy publisher and we assume his various playmates to stay in the house. So you could buy the house, but he gets to stay in it.

[Shane Gillis]

What a buddy. What a buddy cop show that would be hanging out.

[Jamie Vernon]

What a weird place. What a weird place you are in your life where you're like, I don't have much time left. I'm gonna die in this house, but I don't have any money. Oh, that sounds big ass house. But if I sell the house then I gotta move. Maybe I can try to sell the house and stay in it. And they know I'm gonna die in it. And then they take it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's a tough deal. You got to watch a guy die. The horniest guy of all time die

[Shane Gillis]

while you're having a 21 bedroom house.

[Jamie Vernon]

You would just send Dirty Horse to go him to death.

[Joe Rogan]

The pump. I know Larry Flint at the Dick Pump.

[Jamie Vernon]

Larry Lemp got shot. He got shot. Paralyzed, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, he got shot.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, that's why he's in the wheelchair.

[Shane Gillis]

Come shot.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is he still.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, nice.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is he still alive?

[Joe Rogan]

Michigan?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's gotta be dead.

[Joe Rogan]

He's gotta be dead.

[Jamie Vernon]

Gotta be an awesome guest.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, yeah, no, he passed away in 2021, still rolling.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, we missed the bone on that guy too.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, that would have been a good one.

[Jamie Vernon]

That would have been a good one.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a good movie too.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it was. It was Courtney Love's good.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, very good. Norm was in that. Really? Yeah. Look at that fat honky.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What do you.

[Shane Gillis]

How do you get shot with a gun?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I remember this. So he was like a big proponent of, like, free speech.

[Shane Gillis]

He has a big free speech guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

What was the. I don't remember what the assassination attempt was about. See if we can find it.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy about that magazine. They had racist jokes galore.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, so racist.

[Joe Rogan]

It was crazy. It's a highlight.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, they weren't just racing. Like, they were like, the sex. That was like, very harsh. Like.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it was like harsh. Way worse than Playboy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Way better than Playboy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Aggressively bad. So what was the. What was the shooting about? Yeah, go to get off of images and go to all.

[Joe Rogan]

Sometimes you can just find it that way.

[Shane Gillis]

White supremacist.

[Jamie Vernon]

A white supremacist murderer who shot Larry Flint is executed. They killed him in 2013. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Why would he shoot him? The racist jokes were all a lot of problems.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's a white supremacist. He's racist.

[Shane Gillis]

Have you put black movie in the. In the magazine?

[Joe Rogan]

That'll do it.

[Shane Gillis]

That'll do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

So what was. So fighting a misdemeanor obscenity charge. Local attorney Gene Reeves was also shot on the sidewalk as both men walked back to my pop ups to court. When you see a pop like that. But doesn't it make you not want to buy whatever that is? Yeah, Forever. Yeah, like you.

[Shane Gillis]

It makes you want to block the whole page.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, like you make me press that X. You savage.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, this nicotine's a bad idea. Terrible, right? I'm like, uncomfortable.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's me. Last night at 2 in the morning.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't relax.

[Shane Gillis]

They're so strong.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe the booze will help, but I'm flying and I can't get. I got like Beautiful Mind numbers over my head here.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hey, dude, you got rid of your shitty watch. What happened?

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, I got the Omega.

[Jamie Vernon]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that fatty. It was free.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, thank God you got rid of that dumbass.

[Joe Rogan]

It died. Finally broke.

[Jamie Vernon]

I was gonna kill it when you weren't looking.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You didn't throw it out, did you?

[Joe Rogan]

No, I got it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I know you kept it. I know you kept it.

[Joe Rogan]

I kept it. I love that watch.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a little Timex 10.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it did.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I would have been actually Sad if you threw it up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You gotta put that on the wall.

[Jamie Vernon]

Where'd you get that watch?

[Joe Rogan]

I did a. There's a. I did some show in Cleveland. There's a guy named Teddy and he has a watch show. And if you do the show, you gotta watch.

[Shane Gillis]

That's better than the Teddy bat you got.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Teddy Baltasari.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, maybe.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, the guy on YouTube.

[Joe Rogan]

Burt did it. Tom did it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, he's really good.

[Joe Rogan]

He's good. Any watch you want. So I went with Omega.

[Shane Gillis]

That's cool.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Nice.

[Jamie Vernon]

Beautiful watch.

[Joe Rogan]

Can I get this wet or no? Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

100 it all right? Yeah, definitely. No doubt about it.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Jamie Vernon]

Which model is that?

[Joe Rogan]

Is that a Chronograph Speedmaster?

[Jamie Vernon]

That's what I have. I just got this one for my birthday.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, look at that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Can you give me a beer? My wife got me this one already.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a great.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Omegas are my favorite.

[Joe Rogan]

Fun watch. The best thing. I own this watch.

[Jamie Vernon]

Omegas. And I like Seikos. I really like grass and Seikos.

[Joe Rogan]

Japanese, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

They never up. They last forever. You could fucking run them through the mud.

[Joe Rogan]

They got the courts.

[Jamie Vernon]

They never mess up. No, no. They're. They're all. It's all automatic. American serial killer and white supremacist who murdered 16 people between 78 and 1980. Either admitted to or was convicted of shooting 22 people across 10 US states.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie Vernon]

Which he drifted between while likely supporting himself with money from bank robberies.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. That's got to be a movie by that guy. Whoa.

[Jamie Vernon]

What a wild motherfucker.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's shooting interage racial couples.

[Jamie Vernon]

Imagine being trapped. Trapped in a motel with that guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yikes.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. Hey, what's up, man? I'll tell you what's up.

[Jamie Vernon]

Just you and him in a room. You're waiting on somebody to come pick you up. So how do you know Charles?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

Help. Yeah. The nudie magazine industry is all over.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, it's over.

[Joe Rogan]

We got only fans. Free porn.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, you know, I want to hear something funny. When I was a kid, they weren't allowed to show erections.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's a good rule.

[Joe Rogan]

I like that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's for the fellas. Yeah, that's for the fellas.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't know what they thought, because you could see full. Like a girl could spread her lips. Like. That was the thing about Hustler versus Penthouse. Penthouse.

[Joe Rogan]

Or.

[Jamie Vernon]

Or Playboy, rather. Playboy was classy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Playboys, the ladies. You'd see the Bush, but that's it. You didn't you didn't look deep into the mouth of the dragon, but in Hustler, they were spreading that open.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And they would spray it down with water, get it all glistening and bottom of her dirty toes. Like that was Hustler.

[Joe Rogan]

Looks like the predator mouth.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, they. They open wide, but you couldn't see. And if you did see, it had to be limp.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? Yeah. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

So when I was a kid, we used to find magazines in the woods. And the first magazine that we ever found would. Was Guys and Girl. I remember it was like a. A guy was supposedly a male prostitute that had sex with a really hot rich lady. And so he shows up at her house. Like there's all these different photos. Shows up at her house. Next thing you know, she's on the bathroom sink and he's eating her box and the whole thing. And then when there's sex scenes, his dick looks like a drowning victim they pulled out of a lake. His dick is just like. And I'm like, this guy's right there. He's like, why aren't you hard? This is crazy. It was almost like to keep people from getting too crazy about porn because you have to think, like, incremental steps. Porn wasn't available unless you went to a place. You have to go to a movie theater and sit down and pay money. Sit down with a fucking raincoat on with a bunch of other freaks.

[Joe Rogan]

Sit next to Pee Wee Herman.

[Jamie Vernon]

You all get arrested.

[Joe Rogan]

And Fred.

[Jamie Vernon]

So then when I was in high school, he was.

[Joe Rogan]

He got popped in there.

[Jamie Vernon]

VHS tapes came along. But at the same time where VHS tapes where you're watching actual porn. The magazines still weren't allowed to show erections.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, erection is a. Is aggressive. It's scary. It's coming out of the screen. But a pussy is nice, it's welcoming.

[Shane Gillis]

It's changed shape.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't know why they couldn't. I don't know what rationale to keep people from seeing erections. It's kind of crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Limp Bizkit you.

[Jamie Vernon]

But you can get in trouble if a guy had an erection and you put it in a magazine.

[Shane Gillis]

It's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Really is. In the 80s, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

They're like, we got to do some. Here's some rule.

[Jamie Vernon]

But it just shows you how retarded our society was just a few decades ago. That's what's really weird. Never listen to anybody.

[Shane Gillis]

Got arrested for.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

It's so tame.

[Jamie Vernon]

So tame.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

He's like all a bunch of knuckleheads up there.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Get him off.

[Shane Gillis]

Get him off waiting just for him to say anything.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, they had obscenity laws regarding words like if you said, you can go to jail.

[Shane Gillis]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Okay, so that's in the 60s, so

[Shane Gillis]

Nate would never get arrested.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm in the 80s. And you couldn't show boners. You know, that was what I'm talking about. In high school, you couldn't show boners in magazines.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Magazines, Good.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Talking about. Bring it back. Why do you want boners so bad?

[Jamie Vernon]

You want Sharia law. That's what you want.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Get rid of the boners. Also, the magazines are coming back. Dude, with these. Every one of these conservative states, you can't jack off on the Internet.

[Joe Rogan]

I know, right?

[Shane Gillis]

Even VPNs won't work sometimes.

[Jamie Vernon]

What are you talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

It's the new Mason Dixon Line. You go right up north, you're back.

[Shane Gillis]

Same thing in London. I've heard. I've never tried to get on. If you got the right kind, you're fine.

[Jamie Vernon]

VPNs work great.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

This.

[Joe Rogan]

It's this weird north, south divide. It's dumb. It's stupid.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, it's also. They've done the THC thing. Here's what Texas doesn't understand. You will this place up and you will turn the whole thing blue. They will. Kids will turn on you if you tell them they can't smoke weed. They know weed's not killing anybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Which one's blue?

[Jamie Vernon]

This place.

[Shane Gillis]

No.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, what's blue? Democrat. Oh, red is Republican.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Shut up.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on.

[Jamie Vernon]

How do you not? He's pretending he lives in England now.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Which one's that? Which one's Donkey?

[Jamie Vernon]

He's like Alex Baldwin's wife. How you say cucumber?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

This bit pissing me off.

[Shane Gillis]

I've been gone. Life.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You haven't been gone.

[Joe Rogan]

You been drinking tea?

[Jamie Vernon]

Soon, Alec Baldwin's wife was pretending she was Spanish. That was you right there.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You don't know

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

lady.

[Jamie Vernon]

What then? People. She went to college, was like that. Speaks English. Her boss must be so like your boy.

[Joe Rogan]

Mom.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Donnie.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, she's super hot.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He hit the old coke SW switch

[Joe Rogan]

before.

[Shane Gillis]

I couldn't open it. What was it?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's just him code switching like crazy.

[Shane Gillis]

An old one? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He's good at. He can go full Indian.

[Jamie Vernon]

Of course. Sociopath.

[Shane Gillis]

They had this guy running in Ecuador who was running for the indigenous party, and he was like. They showed him five years earlier. He's wearing a business suit now. He's got, like, a ponytail and all the. What did he. What was his code switch?

[Jamie Vernon]

Switching to Ugandan accent.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm Donnie's Ugandan.

[Jamie Vernon]

All right, let's hear it. Let's hear it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You're gonna love it.

[Jamie Vernon]

As a music supervisor for Queen of Katwe. And as we know, music is almost the last string that brings the picture together. It tells the story. It's the tie in of the whole story. How was that for you? I mean, being anywhere involved with the music will be a daunting task, but to be a supervisor at that, it must have been a mammoth task.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So I. I actually created a playlist for. For Mira, who also happens to be my mother.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, nepotism and hard work goes a long way. So in February, I made a playlist

[Shane Gillis]

even before shooting, of a kind of

[Jamie Vernon]

a sound that the film could have.

[Shane Gillis]

What are we listening for?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You find better ones, but you never hear him speak.

[Shane Gillis]

I never have heard him.

[Jamie Vernon]

He doesn't sound anything like that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He hit the old fucking.

[Shane Gillis]

I was like.

[Jamie Vernon]

So the real question is, what's his real accent?

[Shane Gillis]

Wait, that. Oh, so that's not. He's American.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, he's from.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But now he's full.

[Jamie Vernon]

But now he speaks completely clear American.

[Shane Gillis]

I did the right thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

The right thing?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. Lose your accent.

[Jamie Vernon]

You still have those people in England? Since you live over there now?

[Shane Gillis]

Bro, I'm trying to learn.

[Jamie Vernon]

Tell them. Hey, hey, hey. You don't have to talk like this. You don't sing like this.

[Shane Gillis]

I make fun people to their faces.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

As they're like, we have to. We have to do this. You sound so fucking stupid. I used to have a bit about it. The Beatles, they don't. They don't sing like that. Nobody sings like that.

[Shane Gillis]

Cindy.

[Jamie Vernon]

L like that. Like people from, like, Manchester or Liverpool. Like, I don't know what you're saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Sometimes I'm interviewing like, Patty Pimblet. I'm like, I don't know all these.

[Shane Gillis]

Kyle Legacy,

[Jamie Vernon]

bro. Those were the greatest submissions I've ever seen in my life. It might be the greatest submission of all time. And he did it to that guy Ben Wason Denis, who's a submission expert. It catch him in that guillotine on the first shot. And he called it. He said he's going to shoot for a takedown. I'm gonna choke him unconscious when he comes out there.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Where's your head at?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, bro.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's so wonderful. He has so much fun. The crazy thing with that dude is on the walk to the cage, looks like he's having a party. It's all dancing and party. The moment he Gets in that cage. The flip. The switch gets flipped. And then he's just stone faced and he's not no more playing around. Very serious. It's like he just enjoys himself up into the moment where he has to lock in and then he locks in. It's like sometimes I worry about a guy getting too relaxed and too confident with that dude. It's like he's. He's got it. Perfect balance. Party. The whole crowd is doing this. Everybody's doing this. The whole fucking crowd. And then. But when he gets into the octagon, he dances a little bit for everybody and then he just locks in. It's amazing to watch.

[Joe Rogan]

He flips a switch later when he gains 60 pounds too.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, he gained.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So I also respect that.

[Shane Gillis]

I love it in the off season.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I love it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like he transitions.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Who was that James Harden? Who was the British boxer Lennox Lewis that fought Mayweather and Pacquiao? Ricky Hat.

[Jamie Vernon]

Ricky Hatton.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Hatton would blow up too.

[Jamie Vernon]

He would get big.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Look at these guys all wearing wigs. Looks like Hanson's great.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. They all wear Patty the baddy wigs. How many blonde wigs is this guy sold? I'll tell you man, if this dude gets a hold of your neck, everybody's. Everybody's. If he gets a hold of you,

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

let me show.

[Jamie Vernon]

Just show him. I'm coming out dancing. As soon as people see him, they go crazy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Had to roll is so sick.

[Jamie Vernon]

As soon as the audience sees him, they go bananas. Everybody starts throwing their arms in the air.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

I turned around and looked behind me when I was calling the fights.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They look.

[Jamie Vernon]

Everybody had their arms going. It was amazing. It was amazing.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's probably the most fun right now.

[Jamie Vernon]

100 the most fun.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the new Connor.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's the most fun. Yeah, but it's different. He's like. He's not a hero.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, he's fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's like. Yeah. Him and Toporia hate each other there. So that would. That's a really interesting fight. But let me tell you something, man. He's big. Like deceptively big. Like he's deceptively big when you're standing next to him. Like he's a big guy. Topuria is not nearly as big as Patty. Patty's huge. He's a big guy and he gets. Yeah, he gets fat in between. But I mean when you look, he's big.

[Joe Rogan]

How tall is he?

[Jamie Vernon]

At least 511 thick. That's the thing is about his back. Like when he got a hold of Benoit he catches him in that Darce choke, and then you see that, the back muscles on that. And then he wraps his legs over the top, and he's rolling through the whole thing like he's got a squeeze. Man, he's big.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at this.

[Jamie Vernon]

This move was so slick. You have to understand, like, this has never been done in the UFC before. Out of all the submissions, what is this? It's a DAR choke with legs over the top. Like, it's almost like you're in full guard and he's using the right foot. You see what he's doing, his right foot, he's flexing forward, he's holding his arm in place, and then his left foot is pressing down on the back. And then he's got the full Darce grip, like a Rear Naked Choke style grip on the choke with the arm tucked in. So he's got his legs involved, he's got his back involved, arms, everything. It's insane how much can't get his left arm out of there because he ain't going nowhere. He's. He's complete. And he tries to roll because Ben was on the knees, like, very legit. So he tries to roll out of it, and Patty just rolls with him and then winds up on top with just insane pressure, man, and just put him to sleep. But no one's ever done that submission. So it's a combination of, like, a Peruvian necktie, a Darce, and, you know, maybe a couple other things.

[Shane Gillis]

What's his right leg?

[Jamie Vernon]

So people are calling it the padlock now. Another kid just pulled it off recently in another MMA fight, pulled off the exact same move, the exact same leg, which is really fun. It's like people see someone do something, they go, oh, I didn't think about it that way, because generally, when you catch someone in a Darce choke, what you do is you try to hook the leg and you're. It's basically like sinking the choke in deep and you're hooking the leg. But what he did was went around the top and got over his back and then just rolled with him. And it's like, oh, my God. The pressure's insane. It's hell. Just like when I watch some guys getting choked, and I'm looking for. I look for way outs. I look for, like, where's a way out? Where's a way to defend? I'm like, there ain't no way out of this. This is death. This episode is brought to you by Armor. Every week, there's some new wellness hack that people swear by and after a while, you start thinking, why do we think we can just outsmart our bodies? That's why Armor colostrum caught my attention. It's something the body already recognizes and has hundreds of specialized nutrients for gut stuff, immunity, metabolism, etc. I first noticed it working around training, especially workout recovery. Most stuff falls off, but I am still taking this. If you want to try. Armor is offering my listeners 30 off plus two free gifts. Go to armor.com Rogan what's he doing

[Shane Gillis]

with his right leg to his left arm?

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, his right leg is hooking the bicep. He's hooking it right where the bicep meets the crook of the elbow.

[Shane Gillis]

So he can't.

[Jamie Vernon]

So he's not. He's not able to get that arm back. So it's like lock in place like here, so he can't defend. What he wants to do is sneak it under and try to separate the. The. The lock. So now this arm's out of the equation. So you're only defending. You're defending. You're defending one leg and two arms that are wrapped around your neck with one hand. With only one hand because he's using his right foot to lock a hold of that elbow crook. It's sick pulling it back. As a guy who loves jiu jitsu, that's the sickest shit I've ever seen.

[Joe Rogan]

They should teach that to. To cops. Cops would be good. They'd be good to know that, you know. Yeah, you wouldn't shoot people to shoot people. You could just lock them up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You're gonna put him in a padlock?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, get him in a padlock.

[Shane Gillis]

I just shoot him.

[Joe Rogan]

All right. It's faster and we get the body cam.

[Jamie Vernon]

Should definitely know. Jujit. Look at it. That's what he looks like when he's getting squished.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy. Look at that.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, Insane. That is. Like, he's got one arm that really can't even engage. See, his arm can't even grab a hold of where it's gripped. He can't reach it. And then his other hand is where he's. He wraps a hold of it with his foot. So he locks up with his right foot underneath the crook of the elbow on the left arm, and the other arm's useless. So he's just going. He's just going.

[Joe Rogan]

Bad tie a good name. Imagine ripping a fart right then.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. They call it either the padlock or the pad tie. That's what people are calling it.

[Joe Rogan]

I love them both.

[Shane Gillis]

Good.

[Jamie Vernon]

He should name it Patty. Should name It.

[Joe Rogan]

He did. That's what he put up.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, he called the pad tie.

[Joe Rogan]

That's great. There he goes.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, beautiful. Okay, so that's what it is now. So it's the pad Thai.

[Shane Gillis]

Remember the Jew Claw?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. You take the money. Yeah. Pickpocket.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What's the jukel?

[Shane Gillis]

Eddie Bravo.

[Jamie Vernon]

Eddie Bravo. Had a. I forget how it goes. I forget that move. How does it work? Do you remember?

[Shane Gillis]

No, but I was there, and he was like, what should we. Oh, let's call it the. Oh, all right. Juke law.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll allow it.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's always got ridiculous names.

[Shane Gillis]

Jiu. He's like, no, we'll change it.

[Joe Rogan]

We're superhero. Ever.

[Shane Gillis]

Just a guy I miss.

[Jamie Vernon]

I had to do commentary for the UFC once, and one of the guys that was fighting was one of Eddie's students, and he was doing something called crackhead control. So it was like, on Fox, and I had to explain. This is called crackhead control.

[Shane Gillis]

I didn't.

[Jamie Vernon]

What is this?

[Joe Rogan]

Sweep from the claw?

[Jamie Vernon]

Sweep from the Jew claw. You're afraid to say Jew.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, it's. It's not Jew.

[Shane Gillis]

That's misspelled.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's spelled.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was clear. No, it's iu. No, that's. That's literally how it's spelled.

[Joe Rogan]

Are there any Jewish fighters?

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah, definitely. There's a ton. Is a ton.

[Joe Rogan]

He had a good sleeper.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Wait, ufc?

[Joe Rogan]

In the ufc?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

My ears get hot in these.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, who's a Jewish fighter also?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That AC.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't know.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, Moti Hornstein was 75. Moti Hornstein was a. I think he was an Israeli special forces guy, and he was a Krav Maga guy, and he was in the very. Maybe. Maybe Kyokushin. He was in the early ufcs. He fought Don Fry and got beat up. He fought a few. Few big guys and got beat up.

[Shane Gillis]

But Tiger.

[Jamie Vernon]

Maybe he didn't fight Tiger Shulman is a coach, and he runs a bunch of, like, elite.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He marketed MMA gems. Yeah, he sells a lot.

[Shane Gillis]

He parlayed it well.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, he's probably a good fighter.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, the fan, they know what they're doing for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

They.

[Jamie Vernon]

They've developed a bunch of, like, elite. Elite fighters like Shane Burgos came out of there. A bunch of guys, like, top level guys came out of Tiger Shulman's.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he was Maga, huh? Oh, Krav Maga.

[Jamie Vernon]

The original Maga. I don't remember what Moti Hornstein style was, but this is about running away and surviving Moti Hornstein.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, early UFC. UFCs. He was an Israeli guy who fought in the early ufcs.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He was good.

[Joe Rogan]

He was jiu jitsu, but he was

[Jamie Vernon]

a little too small. And he was also not a wrestler. And, you know, he got over by these wrestlers. They just beat the out of him. So who. There he is.

[Joe Rogan]

There he is.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay, so this is 2026. So he's doing like a seminar. Oh, okay. See if you can find, like, footage of him from the early days of the ufc.

[Shane Gillis]

Benny the Jet looks like a vampire.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He would you up.

[Jamie Vernon]

He was a guest. He was a guest.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

When I first moved to LA in 94, that was one of the first places I went to. There was two meccas that were in la. One of them was a comedy store. That was the big one. The other one for me was the Jet Center. That was his place in Van Nuys.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Is the Smashing Machine version.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah, that's who it was. It was Mark Kerr. And he got destroyed.

[Shane Gillis]

I would not want to fight the Smashing Machine.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's a good name. So he was. He was good, but he was a karate guy. And like, they. There ain't no way you're going to be dealing with Mark. Go big Mark Curry.

[Joe Rogan]

He's huge.

[Jamie Vernon]

Immediate shot. Not only that, when you're wearing a gi, you can work so much to grab a hold of. It's so easy to control you. If fighters fought in a GI in the ufc, the fights would be completely different. Ow. And Mark just beat the out of him.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, God, you hold me down too much.

[Shane Gillis]

Stop it, please.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Get off.

[Jamie Vernon]

Also, Mark admittedly was. Was on all the steroids.

[Joe Rogan]

He was.

[Jamie Vernon]

He was on some stuff that you could only get in Mexico.

[Shane Gillis]

Didn't need him for this.

[Joe Rogan]

He didn't need them. Didn't need them.

[Jamie Vernon]

Should have saved us steroids, but this is like UFC. Probably 10. Okay, 14. UFC 14.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I was there for this, but this is back when I was working.

[Joe Rogan]

Key Willikers, when you're working for free.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, I was. No, I got paid back then.

[Shane Gillis]

Nice.

[Jamie Vernon]

I didn't work for free until the new UFC because they were hemorrhaging money so that they tricked me into working and they tricked me into doing one event. I did one event when they did the best.

[Shane Gillis]

Remember?

[Jamie Vernon]

Best damn sports show, period.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

So they had a best damn sports show period. UFC. So they had to make it UFC 37 and a half. I think it was 37. 32 and a half. He was on it.

[Shane Gillis]

Tom Arnold Brody did the warm up.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yep. It was a couple Other dudes on it. And so they did that. And they did that for. For Fox. And Dana and I were friends. And Dana was like, just do me a solid. We would just do commentary in this one show just because it's going to be on Fox. It'd be big fear factor guy does it. I'm like, okay, I'll do one. And I did one. And then the next thing. You want to do another one? He got me. And the next thing. No, I didn't like 15 of them for free. They gave me a nice Rolex though.

[Joe Rogan]

They used to do celebrity boxing. Remember that? Oh, yeah, that was fun. They should bring that back.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Screech.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, Always a bunch of people that are broke. Harding.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, Tanya Harding was.

[Jamie Vernon]

She could fire. How about we did on the man show, Tanya Harding fought Doug Stanhope.

[Shane Gillis]

That's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? Who wants to kill them?

[Jamie Vernon]

Doug kind of held back a little bit. Doug was being a good guy.

[Shane Gillis]

Didn't have her.

[Jamie Vernon]

Doug's got a great ego. He doesn't, you know, he doesn't need to win. He just wanted to make it entertaining. It was pretty funny though, because watching Doug smoking cigarettes in between rounds, like,

[Joe Rogan]

oh, I've never seen this.

[Shane Gillis]

It's such a small ring.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that his mom?

[Jamie Vernon]

The ring was tiny. It was ridiculous. Poor, poor Doug. Look how young he looks. God, that's crazy. Look. Taking all of a cigarette. His mom was alive.

[Joe Rogan]

Amazing.

[Jamie Vernon]

That was fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Now who won?

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't remember.

[Shane Gillis]

The fans won.

[Jamie Vernon]

Nobody won. Everybody lost, including America. Those celebrity boxing matches, sometimes they're sad.

[Shane Gillis]

Dad, what?

[Jamie Vernon]

Was it the dude who died recently? Aaron.

[Joe Rogan]

Her name.

[Jamie Vernon]

Carter. Is that his name?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

With the tattoos on his face. He had a one against the basketball player he used to. The Kardashian girl? Yeah. Lamar probably killed him, huh?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Crazy choice.

[Joe Rogan]

It should have done crackhead control on that guy.

[Jamie Vernon]

It'd be like me fighting a 13 year old. So ridiculous.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Huge 10.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's so big. And that kid couldn't fight at all. The whole thing was crazy. Like he must have just been so desperate for money or something, you know? I don't know. Something sad.

[Shane Gillis]

Ever see Dirty work?

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Shane Gillis]

Course, when the kid from Different Strokes comes in and tries to fight like dread, you're like, how's this? What's the joke?

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, Todd.

[Joe Rogan]

Gary Coleman? Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Was it Gary Coleman?

[Shane Gillis]

He just gets wallowed.

[Jamie Vernon]

Do you remember when Gary Coleman was working as a security guard and people just show up just to make fun of them?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Jamie Vernon]

People are so evil. Because there's one thing. If you're just a four foot tall security guard, that's one thing. But if you're a four foot to call tall security guard who used to be a TV starly famous, then people feel like people. When you've crashed, when you've made it to great heights and then you've crashed, there's people that revel in that.

[Joe Rogan]

They love.

[Jamie Vernon]

They love. Watch. Look at, look at the size difference. How crazy is that? That? Not only that, it says he was six foot. He's six foot.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Okay.

[Jamie Vernon]

Be six foot, £100.

[Joe Rogan]

Respect for going in the ring though.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, he's on drugs.

[Joe Rogan]

Ah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Gotta be out of his mind.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, he's on the Elvis.

[Jamie Vernon]

That is. Look at the weight difference. The weight difference is literally insane. That's literally insane. The weight differences is like 80 pounds and he's giant. It's terrible. Don't watch.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Mark could have been on crack.

[Joe Rogan]

That's what I'm saying.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Might have made it worse.

[Joe Rogan]

That would help hit control.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'll fight anybody if I was on.

[Shane Gillis]

He got to round two.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, well, I don't think they're like one minute rounds.

[Jamie Vernon]

I mean, even then. It's just a beating. Oh, if he was a kind soul, he would have just punched him to the body. Just liver punched him until he drops.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn.

[Jamie Vernon]

But you know, you gotta do what you gotta do, Carter. That's the saddest state of fighting is people that are desperate for the money because they used to be famous, now they're not. And then they're gonna have a fight

[Shane Gillis]

and they want fame and money, money at the same time.

[Jamie Vernon]

Or slap fighting. That was the saddest state. When you need the money and you're sl. Because you know you're only getting like 18 grand.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The slap boxing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, you didn't get much slap.

[Shane Gillis]

You ever see Jeremiah up Lewis?

[Jamie Vernon]

You did Jeremiah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That was great.

[Jamie Vernon]

Lewis started cheating. A little punches to the body.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Lewis hit him with like a legit punch to the body.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Legion of skanks. And I was. Yeah, I was so happy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Obviously they had a slap fight.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Like Lewis just would never be able to handle the loss, which is very funn there.

[Shane Gillis]

Negative four pounds loose.

[Jamie Vernon]

Got leg kicked. But no, this is just one of them. They had one of them that they did on the stage.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, this one was the setup because you got.

[Jamie Vernon]

Did Jeremiah box at one point in his life or something?

[Shane Gillis]

He boxes against the Satan.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, Jesus. He loves Jesus. Did he box or something at some point in his life? This is wiry, interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Good for him.

[Jamie Vernon]

So Lewis was outside of the creek and some homeless guy was talking. Something happened. So he squares up with the homeless guy and the homeless guy immediately leg kicks him. Like a really good like Muay Thai leg kick. And then he hits him with a second one.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That guy was like, all right, all right. No, I. I watched it a few times. Wanted to keep it going.

[Jamie Vernon]

I didn't even watch it.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. L put his hand out. He was like, all right, all right, we're.

[Jamie Vernon]

I won't watch that. And I won't watch the Perez Hilton video either.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's good.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's fine. This guy having a break. He's not cutting himself.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, you think it's fake?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, he's in the hospital doing what started the mental breakdown. Not for the wounds.

[Jamie Vernon]

Are you sure?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I would imagine.

[Joe Rogan]

I think he got some pretty good last.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't know if you want to say that. That dude will sue you. He will sue you.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That crazy really cut himself.

[Jamie Vernon]

Sure. Just for attention, he sues. The guy holds the world record. The world record of the largest selling out show of all time. Of course he's going to sue.

[Shane Gillis]

Who, Perez Hilton?

[Jamie Vernon]

No, this guy.

[Joe Rogan]

You're right.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, of course. I heard selling out.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I went the other way. You're in England. A lot of things are changing. Thing,

[Shane Gillis]

Headliner.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's a new sheriff in town.

[Joe Rogan]

How is it over there? You again? You?

[Shane Gillis]

I'm not. It's rough. They hate immigrants so hard.

[Jamie Vernon]

When are you going to move back?

[Joe Rogan]

Including you.

[Jamie Vernon]

Why don't you come back here?

[Shane Gillis]

Right here.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right here, buddy. Come on, we'll get you an apartment.

[Joe Rogan]

You got to go.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm already hooking up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You call yourself an immigrant?

[Shane Gillis]

Call immigrant. They have all these laws set up to make it hard for you.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, he's an immigrant.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

If you're in England, immigrants, they don't like.

[Shane Gillis]

I know. I'm trying to explain that to them.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think they like the other kind.

[Joe Rogan]

That's telling me hate Muslims. You'll fit in.

[Jamie Vernon]

If you just came in with no paperwork, you'd get all the services.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, they hate Jewish immigrants.

[Shane Gillis]

No no, they. Yeah, they hate just immigrant. They make it hard. You can't rent an apartment unless you have 3 years of UK rental experience.

[Jamie Vernon]

Tell them you're from a different country. Come back.

[Shane Gillis]

I know we all.

[Jamie Vernon]

Every immigrant come back to them.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You know what I mean? Ari, don't tell me you're from.

[Jamie Vernon]

All right, we got a place for you right here.

[Joe Rogan]

How do the other guys get in so easy?

[Shane Gillis]

They have to live with Their fat families. Ah, they don't. They just can't do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I got a place for you. It's in a nice. It's a nice condo.

[Shane Gillis]

Let me stay with you.

[Jamie Vernon]

Come on.

[Joe Rogan]

I gotta.

[Shane Gillis]

I'll stay at the foot of your bed.

[Jamie Vernon]

Watch me and my wife.

[Shane Gillis]

I want to do this.

[Jamie Vernon]

In the middle of the night.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'll make you take pictures of me and my wife.

[Shane Gillis]

Popcorn. While you guys are like, why don't

[Jamie Vernon]

you get a nice place and a nice penthouse? I know a spot. I know a spot.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I got a spot for you.

[Shane Gillis]

Let me give me a place. Right, right above Tony.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, it's. It's a nice view. The place that I'm talking about down at the bottom. I literally have a spot.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Spot.

[Jamie Vernon]

I have a spot. It's a nice condo. You don't need to live in that nonsense.

[Joe Rogan]

You're going to end up here anyway. It's going to happen.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's more fun.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You're having fun over there.

[Jamie Vernon]

Listen, if you want to work, there's plenty of clubs.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Too early.

[Jamie Vernon]

Shut up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Living in Knob Hill, you're going to arrest you fun? What you just said. You're just getting started. You're not having fun.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm not having fun.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You should.

[Shane Gillis]

It's been very difficult. Extremely difficult. Two months I haven't found an apart. I've been turned out by seven apart apartments.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

There's legit anti immigration.

[Jamie Vernon]

All right, I'll give you an apartment for a year for free. Whoa, keep it down, keep it down. One year. It's a nice two bedroom in a gated or a guarded building.

[Shane Gillis]

Can't spell without.

[Jamie Vernon]

One year for free. Come on, let's get started. I think it's on the 39th floor. It's great view.

[Shane Gillis]

Ninth floor. Which one is that? That tall thin one.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'll show you later.

[Shane Gillis]

What do you have it for?

[Jamie Vernon]

I. I got real estate, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm rich.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, nice.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

A year.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'll give you one year for free.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't have any money.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't have any money.

[Jamie Vernon]

Come on, dog.

[Shane Gillis]

You don't need toward in so long.

[Jamie Vernon]

Get some money at the mothership. You could do a night once a week. You get 80% of the door. Start making money.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You work all around town. You can start doing the road in America.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Was this older before? Wait till he moves to England.

[Shane Gillis]

I had to go through all the

[Jamie Vernon]

paperwork, lure him back.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I didn't think he was really going

[Jamie Vernon]

to go through with it. I thought he was going to stick with Legion. Escape cakes, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

I had to get Francis Foster to be my guarantor. They were like, trust you with your money? I was like, I make more than him. They were like, it's not your. It's American.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn.

[Jamie Vernon]

They don't trust your money.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm freelance, so I have no actual boss, no employer. And then it's like, safe, Bro, can't

[Jamie Vernon]

they just Google you and see your Netflix specials?

[Shane Gillis]

I've tried that.

[Joe Rogan]

That doesn't work.

[Shane Gillis]

The problem is they saw the first one first.

[Jamie Vernon]

Which one? He's got no amazing racist.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, that'd be great.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, they would welcome you.

[Jamie Vernon]

They saw your Kobe.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, there's got to be a British guy out there is hearing this like a British Rogan who's like, I'll give you a place.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jimmy Car. Yep.

[Shane Gillis]

He wrote my Visa letter.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, he's a great guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he is a good guy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is great apartment, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

I've been turned down by seven apartments.

[Jamie Vernon]

Why don't you live with Eddie Izzard?

[Shane Gillis]

Eddie Isard is hard, cuz. I need some closet space.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's way out of the closet, bro.

[Shane Gillis]

He's all for his dresses.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, got it. Listen, come back. Come back to America. It's a cute idea.

[Shane Gillis]

You got to hit me up in a year. I haven't even gotten started yet.

[Jamie Vernon]

Come on, Stop.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not going to work.

[Jamie Vernon]

Can you hand me one of them bottles of beer?

[Joe Rogan]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You hand me one of those Bud Lights?

[Shane Gillis]

Absolutely.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

One of those Crisp.

[Jamie Vernon]

Trying to get fat off these IPAs?

[Joe Rogan]

Hell, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Give me some keys. Let's do this together.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

All right? Hold on.

[Shane Gillis]

Got some keys.

[Jamie Vernon]

Keys.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Give it a second.

[Shane Gillis]

What do you mean, keys? Keys.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Give it a sec. Don't try to deflect from your British guys.

[Shane Gillis]

I just started this the wrong time. Sorry.

[Jamie Vernon]

That place. No disrespect to English people, I love them to death, but I bought three Tottenham tickets.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm not going.

[Jamie Vernon]

Now, here's the other problem. They're going to put you in jail. You talk too much.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, trust me.

[Joe Rogan]

I press them, they're going to Prince die. You.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You want to go to jail? Huh?

[Shane Gillis]

Is that the rumors?

[Jamie Vernon]

That's what it is.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He's.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's a. This is a. Josh Ho.

[Shane Gillis]

It.

[Jamie Vernon]

Michelle Obama's a man on the White House lawn. That's what he's doing. He's doing that.

[Shane Gillis]

I got a sweet new bit about Muslim drivers. Female drivers.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's make sure we don't have any cross, okay?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You don't want to live there, dude.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I do.

[Shane Gillis]

It's fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

Shut the up. You miss us.

[Shane Gillis]

It's fun.

[Joe Rogan]

You miss us.

[Jamie Vernon]

You were so sad.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Manchester United. That would rock, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

December 5th. Come to the Derby.

[Jamie Vernon]

Sure. To visit.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

To Derby. Derby.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Once you live there long enough, you'll understand. It's called a derby.

[Shane Gillis]

I just said the derby.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You called it derby because I didn't say that spelled derby.

[Shane Gillis]

I said Darby.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's a Darby, lad.

[Shane Gillis]

Watch that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It. Watch the tape.

[Shane Gillis]

I said it. Yeah, watch it. Roll it back.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Click back.

[Jamie Vernon]

I wish we could rewind.

[Joe Rogan]

I think he said, darby, we need you.

[Jamie Vernon]

Instant replay.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I apologize then.

[Jamie Vernon]

I thought he said darby.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'll be the bigger man. You see how I do that?

[Jamie Vernon]

You're not a bigger man.

[Joe Rogan]

You were wrong.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're not a bigger man. You admit you're wrong.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'll see. I'll see.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's not a bigger man.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You don't know. He's raised a bigger man.

[Shane Gillis]

You were clearly wrong.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Hold on a second. Can I speak?

[Jamie Vernon]

Can I fin.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

See, Somebody lost the composure. Now. When I'm wrong, I go. I'm. I'm wrong.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And that's just a lesson for you.

[Joe Rogan]

Wrong.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You can learn from this.

[Joe Rogan]

Derby dream house.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's bad.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That nicotine took him out for an hour.

[Joe Rogan]

I was in London. That was a rush. Not a good rush. Couldn't think straight. My legs won't stop moving. Now.

[Jamie Vernon]

Imagine taking, like, literally 20 of those over the course of a night and then trying to go to bed. That was me last night. I was laying in bed. I said, I think I'm done.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, it's every night. And then I listen to that Annie Jacobson book every night. I'm like, oh, no.

[Jamie Vernon]

She. She's the lady that wrote the book on nuclear war.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Nuclear war scenario, which was the Scarecrow Scariest book I've ever read.

[Jamie Vernon]

The new one is on biological war. It's bad. It's scary.

[Shane Gillis]

It's like how easy it would be to ruin everything.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And how we're doing it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Everyone can die.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Did it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And China's definitely doing it.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

We're making crazy stuff right now in labs. Like, all this fauci that's coming out. Like, a lot of this stuff, what they're really doing is warfare stuff.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

A lot of these, like, diseases. Let's gain a function where they're trying to pretend that they're trying to protect people from future viruses. What they're doing is making viruses more. More transmissible and more deadly. And they're working on it. Your tax dollars are at work.

[Shane Gillis]

All right?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They made a plague, the bubonic plague, that the first 24 hours, they spliced in a thing that makes it. You feel euphoric. It's like ecstasy for 24 hours. So that you want to go out and talk to people and go to a bar and. And you want to go out and dance.

[Shane Gillis]

That's like brilliant and evil at the same time. Who's doing that?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That? The Soviets did it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it spreads like a virus.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah. Oh, it's 100.

[Shane Gillis]

It's like that cat.

[Jamie Vernon]

100 deadly.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, but the fact that they spliced in ecstasy for 24 hours. So the first 24 hours, you're like, I gotta talk to my friends.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're feeling.

[Joe Rogan]

That's genius.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're calling your friends up, telling people about your new protocol. This is my new health protocol.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn. Whoa.

[Jamie Vernon]

Meanwhile, you don't know you have, like, 100 fatal Ebola or whatever it is.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, it's pretty lame.

[Shane Gillis]

It's pretty lame.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Whoever did this should be executed. All of them?

[Jamie Vernon]

All of them. Well, you see the Fauci thing where he knew that women were getting miscarriages and they lied about it. He lied about it months after he knew after express. Publicly or privately rather in a text message that it seems there's a cytokine storm that's causing miscarriages with the second dose. So he says this. This in a text message. I don't know if he said second dose, but he did say cytokine storm that is associated with miscarriages. And then publicly was out there promoting the idea of women who are pregnant getting vaccinated when he knew there was an issue. And they also lied about the number. The number of women that got. I don't even want to say what the number was, because what I'm reading is 80%. 80% miscarriage rate in the first trimester. Something insane. But I personally know five people who got pregnant during pandemic, got vaccinated and had miscarriages. Five different people.

[Shane Gillis]

If I got a girl pregnant, I'd be like, you need to get the vaccine.

[Jamie Vernon]

You need to be safe. Our baby needs to be safe. And you should get both the Moderna and the other one, just in case.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, mama.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude, it's terrifying. That guy is a sociopath. People that are thinking that this guy was some sort of a health care hero. You don't know what happened in the 80s. You need to go and just objectively read up on what that Guy did with AZT and AIDS in the 80s. I thought he was like an AIDS here monster.

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't he do a lot of good with aids?

[Jamie Vernon]

So no. I'll tell you in a minute. So what does it say? Cumulative miscarriage rate of 10.8% from 6 to 20 weeks with after MRNA vaccination. Just stop and think of that. Imagine if you're having a kid. And Mark, you have a kid. You're the only one besides me. You love your kids more than fucking anything in life. The idea that you could give a medication and one out of ten your baby's dead. No one's gonna sign up for that. And what is the odds your wife is gonna live and everyone's gonna be fine? It's 99.9999999 if you're healthy. 999-9999. Meanwhile, this went around telling people that they should get vaccinated while they're pregnant.

[Joe Rogan]

I should have signed up.

[Jamie Vernon]

Claim from early 2021 pregnancy registry report showed an 81 to 82% miscarriage rate. This is a misleading recalculation of preliminary registry data. Many live births in that early report involve people vaccinated in late pregnancy. So simply removing them while returning. But the issue, apparently what he said was in the first trimester. That's why it's 82% within the first trimester. That's what they're saying. This is what I'm reading from actual doctors, including Jay Bhattacharya was talking about it online. So this is like not kooks that are talking about this, this issue that he knew that there was an issue with women having miscarriages. And that motherfucker still promoted it. He still promoted it openly on television. It's very important, important that women get vaccinated. That's the most important thing. They were just selling vaccines, man. They were selling vaccines and killing people.

[Joe Rogan]

And why the does an 80 year old have a diary? Anyone find that strange

[Shane Gillis]

dream journal today?

[Jamie Vernon]

Jennifer Aniston said I was lovely. Julia Roberts called me a hero.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. What's he trying to remember? He's gonna be, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a crazy person.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm gonna look back at this.

[Jamie Vernon]

That guy's a legit crazy person. Did other people AZT in the 1980s when they had AIDS? AZT was a chemotherapy medication that they discontinued because he was killing people quicker than cancer. But it had already passed through all the fda, right? So it already been a used drug. So once it's a used drug, you can use it for other things off label. Use. Use. That's what they started doing. No. So that's what they started doing in the 80s and they're just killing people who didn't even have any symptoms. Arthur Ash didn't even have any symptoms and they just started giving him AZT and he was dead in like six months.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think that's the. Didn't Barishnikov, did he die from AIDS as well? Yes. Did he?

[Joe Rogan]

He was a homosexual.

[Jamie Vernon]

Am I, am I making that up?

[Joe Rogan]

Pull it up.

[Jamie Vernon]

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[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

So how did he die? He's not dead. It wasn't him. There was another guy who was a dancer.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you gotta have Fauci on.

[Jamie Vernon]

Sorry, Michelle. Yeah, definitely have mine. He'll plead the fifth to everybody, everything. Did you see that? What colors your tie? I respectfully plead the fifth, but the thing is, Biden did all those through auto pen and Trump just recently made an announcement that all the auto pen.

[Shane Gillis]

What's auto pen?

[Jamie Vernon]

Auto pen is you use like a stamp, like a rubber stamp instead of actually writing a signature. And they don't count.

[Shane Gillis]

Count.

[Jamie Vernon]

And this is what allegedly, supposedly Trump is saying, that they don't count and he's making them all null and void. So that means if that's the case, that means that Biden, who pardoned more people than anybody ever, by far, like a giant jump, he pardoned Foushee for 10 years for things that he didn't do. Trump can't void Biden's auto part because of auto pan. So this is very recent.

[Joe Rogan]

He wasn't going to do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay, but he did it. This is March 7th 17th. So this is March 17th, 2025. I know, I saw it. But, but look it up recently, because he did it on True Social. He talked about it on True Social. Unless it's fake. That's the other thing. It could be. Look, I have done a very smart thing over the last three months where I'm. I almost never go on Twitter and I, I go on Instagram and my curation right now is nice. It's all murders and science stuff.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, I'll send you some dog videos. Get really in there.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I got dog videos.

[Shane Gillis]

Top 10 dogs of the week. We rate dogs, everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Look it up, fat asses.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is Trump says he respects Biden's Anthony Fauci pardon amid outcry over his own. So here's the thing about the auto pen. If I had a guess, if I had a guess, I. If you were starting to complain about Biden's pardons and then you overturned Biden's pardons. At the end of this presidency, there's going to be a lot of people where the justice is going to be coming for him unless a Republican gets into office. If J.D. vance or Marco Rubio wins in 2028, they're going to be okay. But if. If someone else, if the guy from Pennsylvania or whoever the fuck it is, whatever it is.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Are they talking about Shapiro?

[Jamie Vernon]

Maybe, you know, he's one of the ones that they throw around.

[Shane Gillis]

Shapiro.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, Josh. There's a few people that they say could be the president. The other guys, the California, never try

[Shane Gillis]

any of them for war crimes because they're like. I guess you guys will come back at me.

[Jamie Vernon]

Exactly.

[Shane Gillis]

Because they all do it. Everyone in the government's doing that.

[Jamie Vernon]

This. This government has done some that no government has ever done before. And one of them is the crypto stuff. The crypto stuff's nuts. Like, Trump has made billions in crypto.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, look, government's so crooked.

[Jamie Vernon]

And then you got his sons, and his sons are involved in all these weird business deals where the business deals have to do with some things that Trump put. And then the sons are involved in these businesses. And like, there's a of lot. A lot of money flowing around that you could dig in and. And start arresting people. So if he pardons a bunch of people and gives them the same kind of deal that he gave Fouch, the

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Trump family would do that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Lakers sell Bob. Josh Kushner for. Yeah, but that's his brother. Jared Kush's brother. He's not still. But that's just a guy who has money.

[Joe Rogan]

Dolly Parton, Billy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Two weeks ago, he was at the White House. Yeah, so was I. So was Shane. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the problem.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Let's stop bringing up that. We prayed me to go in the VIP room. I said, no way.

[Jamie Vernon]

You didn't. I went in there.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, I knew photos were going to be taken.

[Shane Gillis]

What was in the Champagne Room?

[Jamie Vernon]

Me and Nate Barotzi were in there.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I know.

[Jamie Vernon]

Chilling.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I know.

[Joe Rogan]

Look how that turned out.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I stood outside in the rain. I was like, I'm not getting my picture taken.

[Jamie Vernon]

I took zero heat for that event.

[Joe Rogan]

But you took photo with Trump a couple years back.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It was a funny photo.

[Joe Rogan]

That was great photo.

[Jamie Vernon]

When you were wearing the Pablo Escobar shirt.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Lot of things.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's pre.

[Jamie Vernon]

Pre world record.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, no, no, not me personally. I mean, back then, when I was taking that picture, I was like, this guy's going to release the Epstein files. No more wars.

[Joe Rogan]

I like that.

[Shane Gillis]

Was it killing Americans also?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Still didn't vote. Not a big deal.

[Jamie Vernon]

The. The epine files. And then the.

[Shane Gillis]

I saw you go after the vice president. It was pretty good.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, I had to question them. I mean, you know, I wanted to know, like, what are you saying?

[Shane Gillis]

I liked it because he was like. You were like, well, maybe they went to war with Iran for this. And he's like, well, I mean, you're saying they wouldn't because of that. You're like, all right, put that aside.

[Joe Rogan]

He slipped that, like, Mayweather.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, I had to have a. Well, he did a good job of being respectful to the president. That's what you're supposed to do if you're the vice president. That's your job.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I mean, it really is your job if you. You represent. It's a different thing, just being a guy versus being a vice president. So he's in a position where I had, you know, I asked him a tough question. Do you think that Trump would have actually. Actually bombed Iran and started war with Iran if it wasn't for the influence of Israel? And he said, I really do. I go. I'm like, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jamie Vernon]

You really think so? Why, like, what. What makes you think that?

[Shane Gillis]

We'll give you an honest answer either way.

[Jamie Vernon]

And if you listen to Scott Horton, he, you know, Scott Horton is an awesome guy on all things war, anti war.

[Joe Rogan]

And here's a who?

[Jamie Vernon]

And his.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's what I was going with.

[Jamie Vernon]

He explained to me in great depth how difficult it is to turn enriched uranium into an actual nuclear bomb. And he's like, they were nowhere near able to do that. And Israel has wanted us to bomb Iran forever. They've been going to the UN with cartoon bombs saying they're at 62%, they're about to get to 80. They've been doing this forever, trying to convince the United States, and only Trump took the bait.

[Joe Rogan]

But didn't Hillary want to do it? No, they just kept kicking it down. They did.

[Jamie Vernon]

The thing is, they didn't do it for sure. They didn't do it, though. Trump did. They all thought about it and, like, this is not the smart thing to do. And they. Look, they ruined Libya, right? They did a lot of weird that they shouldn't have done, but they didn't do that one.

[Shane Gillis]

Spread Syria. Everybody tried Syria.

[Jamie Vernon]

The Iran thing's a big one. Because it's like, okay, now what? Because now we are the Great Satan.

[Joe Rogan]

Now he's sneaking out in a catering cart.

[Shane Gillis]

I heard the Iran thing was to get back in China.

[Jamie Vernon]

How crazy was that?

[Joe Rogan]

They snuck him out.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not. I heard that, too.

[Joe Rogan]

The card of the deal.

[Jamie Vernon]

They. They. I saw you on Twitter.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, you already tweeted that?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Material Tweeted an hour ago.

[Jamie Vernon]

Solid fresh in his mind, he's happy with it. But not only that, they snuck him out on another jet and they. But they put the reporters on Air Force One. That's wild.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Wonderful.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's wild. Because if that thing blew up in the sky, that would be.

[Shane Gillis]

I would love to see those reporters like that. Finally. Trump's pretty good guy. Free pj.

[Jamie Vernon]

Awesome eating cheese. Those cheese with the toothpicks.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. They're sitting there like, normally he comes out of that back room and makes fun of us.

[Jamie Vernon]

By now P. PJs are the greatest thing about being rich. Quiet piggy comes in and calls one

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

of us a fat and then go back inside.

[Jamie Vernon]

Quiet piggy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Quiet piggy was.

[Joe Rogan]

That was the greatest.

[Jamie Vernon]

One of the greatest things the President's ever said.

[Shane Gillis]

I heard one that it was. That ended up being real. Real. But it was. It made me laugh so hard when he told Elon Musk to go back to Africa. No turn out not to be real. But I'm like, damn, that's funny.

[Joe Rogan]

That's fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

Him and Elon are close again, which is so weird.

[Joe Rogan]

I think when you're on your second term, you're like, ah, it. Let's, let's, let's let it ride.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's say anything.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I don't much money as he can,

[Jamie Vernon]

and there's a lot of that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But he's also. How old is he?

[Shane Gillis]

Why?

[Joe Rogan]

80, 84.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Like, I need to do all this

[Jamie Vernon]

because he's got to protect himself legally.

[Joe Rogan]

And a big.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's imagine he stays alive for the next 10 years. Just think about what they did to him with the Russia, Russia, Russia bullshit. And then with the real estate bullshit.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They gave him real stuff.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, here's the thing, though. He needs a lot of real money. You need real money to fight that stuff. Like the amount of money that he spent in legal fees for the first. The Manhattan real estate thing or the, the Palm beach real estate thing. The Mar A Lago. When they said the Mar A Lago is worth 18 million, sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

Mar A Lago is worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

[Shane Gillis]

Taxes on it.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, it's like they tried to get him for real estate fraud. They tried to get that. Was that her name? Leticia James. So there's. They're. They're going after him using all these lawsuits that are frivolous. They don't make any sense. So by doing that and trying to bankrupt him or at least trying to put him in jail, like, he realizes that, okay, I need a Ton of money to protect myself.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Now he's actually doing things that are going to get him in trouble.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay, what's going to get him in trouble? So here's the question. The thing about the crypto is it's shading as but it's legal. Yep. I don't know if it should be. I don't, I don't know what the deal is. I mean, I don't understand crypto really. I've had a bunch of people try to get me into crypto, get in trouble for this. She did, but it wasn't her fault. Hawk tua, that poor lady, she got roped into something in a pump and dump and she, she's not so fist

[Joe Rogan]

on it.

[Jamie Vernon]

She's a young lady and I guarantee you by hearing her talking about spitting on. She has spent a lot of time in economics class.

[Joe Rogan]

Trickle down.

[Jamie Vernon]

So she probably got talked to into it by a bunch of slick people. Look, she's like 21 years old. She was never famous at all. She has one little tiny video where she says she got a spit on that thing and then everybody loves her and she's trying to make money and then someone comes along and says, hey, we're going to make this coin. It's a, it's totally legal.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Who do you think came along? I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Somebody came.

[Jamie Vernon]

Donald Trump reported more than 1.4 billion in crypto related income from 2025, the first year of his second term, according to his federal financial disclosure. That's a lot of money for a year.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Bump and dump on his own people.

[Jamie Vernon]

He did.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So ridiculous.

[Jamie Vernon]

But I don't know if he did. This is my question, but here's my drum.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Coin's not making.

[Jamie Vernon]

I understand, but this is my question. Who's really investing in Trump coin? And is it. But is it in fact a way to pay someone? Let me, let me say this because I don't know who's buying it. I'm just guessing, but let's just make up a fake scenario where I talk you into making a Gillis coin, okay? And I say, listen, dude, dude, dude, dude, listen to this. We're going to make a Gillis coin and I am going to personally because like you did something for me and I can't pay you because that's illegal for this thing. So what we're going to do is talk about it instead of you like hooking me up with deals and making sure the regulations get killed. Instead what I'm going to do is I'm going to put a billion dollars into this Trump coin or into this Gillis coin. Excuse me. And then we're going to have a bunch of other people throw a little bit of money in there. But the whole evaluation is going to be very high. So there's going to be a few morons that are like gamblers that want to get in and try to sell, which definitely people think that's what it is.

[Shane Gillis]

I think it's influencers.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's a lot. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of gamblers. But there's also. It's a sneaky way to pay somebody off.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Shane Gillis]

If I invest the money, Shafir coin,

[Jamie Vernon]

we make Shafir coin. I tell you, it's not in England. So if I.

[Shane Gillis]

But if I tell. You can't even tell an improv.

[Jamie Vernon]

If I, like, somehow or another we did something shady and I owed you some money. And I'm like, look, I can't just give you money, but this is what we're going to do. We're going to start a coin, and then I am going to finance your coin. So I'm going to pour a bunch of money in your coin as an anonymous investor in an overseas account. I'm going to dump a shitload of money into this coin, and then we're going to hype it up. We're going to get a bunch of other people involved, and then we're going to pull some money out of it for you, and then you sell. And then I think that's all they're

[Shane Gillis]

really doing right now. They get. Get some, like, influencer to go in. It raises up and they sell off little bits at a time.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's corrupt musical chairs. Like, you know when you're going to stop the music?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What about the insider trading?

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, there's that. That's the other thing. I mean, Derosa was here yesterday. Derosa was talking about how when he worked for the Senate, and he was saying, like, these people.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, what?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The Texas.

[Jamie Vernon]

Derosa worked for the Senate, Joseph? Yeah, he did. And he was involved.

[Shane Gillis]

Get him all one extra shot.

[Jamie Vernon]

What did you say, Jamie? He's involved in something. The media?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Kfc.

[Jamie Vernon]

Some media department. Some. Some part of it. But the point is, he was saying, this is crazy. We see these people and they're getting like, $150,000 a year, but that's a tiny percentage of what they're making, all these donations that they're getting, all these deals they're doing.

[Shane Gillis]

And they're doing baseball to get around the salary 100. Whatever. Moneyball, they're just like, we'll give you a job.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Dodgers.

[Shane Gillis]

What?

[Jamie Vernon]

I hate the Dodgers.

[Joe Rogan]

They're slipping, huh?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Well, they are losing right now. They're just the best team ever. And they bought all the players.

[Joe Rogan]

That Asian cat, Otami, he's A TO.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is he the best ever?

[Shane Gillis]

Otani probably.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Numbers wise, eager to argue that. But last few years he could be if he keeps doing what he's.

[Shane Gillis]

In the last few years, he's been the best.

[Jamie Vernon]

You see Wade Boggs on. He was fishing with his shirt off. Jacked. He's like 100 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he looks amazing.

[Jamie Vernon]

He looks great. And then he beat Kane. Cancer.

[Shane Gillis]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Beat cancer. And his wife.

[Shane Gillis]

He won the World Series. He got on a police horse.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, when I was living in Boston, he was going through that whole cheating scandal. Like he had a little floozy on the side and it all went public. Look at him show the full picture, though. There's a better version of that picture where you see his arms and everything as well.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is. Look at that. He's living.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jack act.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like the Expendables, bro.

[Shane Gillis]

You bogged. Yankee great.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's Chuck Norris, right?

[Shane Gillis]

Yankee great.

[Jamie Vernon]

Look how great he looks. He's. First of all, look how lean he is. Dude is in shape.

[Shane Gillis]

It's like Kumail Nanjiani.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got the appendix scar, too.

[Jamie Vernon]

How much better would the world be if we got all those progressive dorks to get on the Camille Anjiani diet? All of them. All those dorks that talking about other friends have trouble. Trans friends. Like, stop. Your kids are nine. They don't have trans friends.

[Shane Gillis]

Give me a key.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Could you hand me these?

[Jamie Vernon]

You don't have your nine year old kids don't have trans friends here. You need testosterone and start doing some deadlifts and you'll be like, yeah, this is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

And now he's a marvel. Kumail's a cool guy.

[Jamie Vernon]

I like him a lot. Nice guy.

[Shane Gillis]

Very.

[Jamie Vernon]

I've only had a bloke. I've only had a few interactions with him, but they've been very nice. He's a very nice guy. And I like the fact that he got jacked.

[Joe Rogan]

Jack, you a marvel hero. You.

[Jamie Vernon]

This idea that you can't be funny, be Jack. Suck it.

[Joe Rogan]

Suck it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Shut your dirty, stinky hole. You know nothing. There's no rules. There's no rules.

[Joe Rogan]

Cardigan's on stage. You got to cover up.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, it's just distracting.

[Joe Rogan]

Girls go the other way.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Girls are Kicking your ass.

[Jamie Vernon]

But it doesn't work. Work. I remember we were walking. Who's kicking?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The New Rangers.

[Jamie Vernon]

The New Rangers.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Your drinks.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah, they are.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good name for you. The Voodoo Ranger.

[Jamie Vernon]

Me and Fitzsimmons walked into the Comedy Store one night and there was this lady on stage that had a short leather mini skirt, high heels, great legs, big tits like his mom.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Dude.

[Jamie Vernon]

And she was on stage and she was talking, and I just. I just turned when we walked in. I turned him instantly. I go, what are the odds that she's funny? And he goes, one in a billion. I go, zero. There's zero percent. There's no chance. There's not a chance in hell that this young lady who's that hot is funny. It's not possible.

[Joe Rogan]

I think Judy Gold's hilarious. Boy. Imagine her in a skirt. See that labia hanging.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jesus. Sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

Got that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Sorry. Good choice.

[Jamie Vernon]

You didn't deserve that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

She'd be getting kicked the out of of bathrooms. He goes, sir, get the out of here.

[Joe Rogan]

WBA court. Got it. J O time. The note. Note the time.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Cut it.

[Joe Rogan]

And we're back.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We joking around.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, cut it like Perez Hilton.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Cut it again. We're back.

[Jamie Vernon]

Tim Tillin thinks it's fake.

[Shane Gillis]

What's fake?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I thought it was fake.

[Jamie Vernon]

He thinks some of the cuts are fake. He thinks he was like some. He covered himself with paint or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly what I just said.

[Jamie Vernon]

You really think that?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. Why? Watched it.

[Joe Rogan]

He knows the gaze.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Like rubbing a knife against him. Pull it up and there's no cut when he does it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I thought this. I thought the report said he was hospitalized with serious injuries.

[Joe Rogan]

And I thought there was drugs involved. Brain damage, like ODing kind of stuff.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Probably.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, he said for real, like, listen again. I didn't watch it, but I was listening

[Shane Gillis]

to the studio anymore.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What?

[Shane Gillis]

What?

[Jamie Vernon]

What the did he just say? This is what we were talking about on the phone yesterday.

[Joe Rogan]

This why England lost.

[Jamie Vernon]

Mumbles. And you're like, what are you talking about? I don't know what you just said. You have so much energy. You could translate.

[Joe Rogan]

You won't let me piss in the studio anymore. There you go.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You should move to the north.

[Shane Gillis]

That's right.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

In England.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You can piss anywhere. Piss in the corner.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Pissing your own apartment on the floor. No one cares, man.

[Joe Rogan]

I did my tour in Wales. I got heckled by those guys. You don't know what the they're saying.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The whole crowd laughing like, damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Must have been a good one, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

What's that, sir.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, man. I did Glasgow, though. Those heckles are wild.

[Jamie Vernon]

I did Dublin and I did. I did Belfast back in the day that Belfast was the craziest. Like, you don't understand a word they're saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Nothing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Don't say a word.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Scotland. I couldn't understand a word.

[Jamie Vernon]

I was drunk. I went to a bar, and me and this one dude, I never. I just met this guy at a bar. We just started throwing down and four or five drinks in, he's just like, how to fight any man? Chocolate, whoever it is, I'll fight any man. I'm like, I believe you. I believe you.

[Joe Rogan]

I love that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's not saying he's gonna win. He's just like, I'll do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'll fight any man. He wanted me to know. He wanted me to know that he. And I'm like, I believe those are the best. Let's have another drink.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They are literally the best bros of all time.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, they're fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Remember you? I grew up with guys like that who.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was a good time.

[Joe Rogan]

You were glad they were on your side because they were just totally insane.

[Jamie Vernon]

I miss those days where I could just go to a bar and just. Just pull up and just get lit. It was.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, you can't do that.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's too hard. It's too. Too many people come over. Too many back then. So this is like 2007 or some. There's no cameras, there's no phones, nobody. There's no iPhone yet.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

So it's like people were just hanging out.

[Joe Rogan]

Cameras have ruined. Young people phones they can't cut loose.

[Jamie Vernon]

Ruined everything in terms of, like, people's connection with each other.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that too. 100 every spying on each other.

[Jamie Vernon]

The old phones, that was as far as we should have went. Flip phone that you could text on and the texting sucked.

[Joe Rogan]

And then we know it's bad and we still can't stop.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, we can't stop.

[Joe Rogan]

It's got. Got too much good on it.

[Jamie Vernon]

But I pulled back considerably. Like I was saying over the last three months. Just decided, enough is enough.

[Shane Gillis]

It's hard.

[Jamie Vernon]

I just decided enough is enough. I'm like, I don't like how I feel when I just scroll through doom.

[Shane Gillis]

You get off for an hour sometimes you're just like, what the.

[Joe Rogan]

I know you're bummed out.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I got like, you know, I can't look at it anymore. Like, I can't. Because it's just negative.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, all negative.

[Shane Gillis]

Everything's negative.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Hurts. So it's not like I'M like, making a disciplined choice to be like, I don't want to look at this anymore. Like, I. I haven't looked at Reddit in forever, right? Years. I can't look at Twitter anymore.

[Shane Gillis]

They'll show everything. They'll show you a picture of a nature. And they go, well, not everyone can afford to get there.

[Jamie Vernon]

And you're like, damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But, yeah, like, makes me feel bad. So it's like I can't even, like, I mean, of course I can, but, like, I don't want to click on it anymore.

[Jamie Vernon]

You don't want to live in their world. You don't want to be in their head, and they don't want to either. And the only way for them out is to not do that. And if they keep doing it and keep living in that same swamp of ideas, they're never going to change.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But my dad, My dad just got on Instagram reels, which is very fun. He's sending us AI Guy dog. Dog videos. Like dogs driving cars.

[Joe Rogan]

Positive.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, no, it's great. And it's a nice thing for me and him. Like, I'll send him Instagram reels of, like, you know, Larry Bird highlights. I sent him, like, some white safeties from the 90s. Laying guys at, like, John lynch highlight videos. Speaking of jmo, toss up a little John lynch highlight video for the boys.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, that. That's the best way. Love it. It's the best way for guys to connect is like, here's a funny meme. Here's a video because we got. Got nothing to say.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hey, I'm gonna tell you guys something. We have to edit this out, okay? Because no one can know yet. Pause.

[Shane Gillis]

No, no, no.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yes.

[Jamie Vernon]

By the way, I'm glad we didn't do that. We're back and we're back. And we're back. I'm glad we didn't.

[Shane Gillis]

We.

[Jamie Vernon]

We're talking about doing one with Hunter Biden, but now everybody's doing one with them. Tucker just did it. Then they did Chris Williamson, Duncan Trussell, Matt McCusker and Biden.

[Shane Gillis]

Everyone get the idea.

[Joe Rogan]

Kind of did. They stole Protecto Williams.

[Jamie Vernon]

They kind of did.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They're trying.

[Joe Rogan]

They're trying that limey.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I wish you the best.

[Joe Rogan]

Good luck. Good luck. Oh, you didn't do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Highlights.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Hey, look at that, Joe. You're going to like this. John lynch laying the hammer pick. Let's go. 47. Boom.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's go.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Get the out of here.

[Jamie Vernon]

What kind of.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You got to.

[Shane Gillis]

You got to do a season on the sidelines.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, you know, you should do you know how I do a fight companion for fights? You should do a game companion.

[Joe Rogan]

O. It would be players.

[Jamie Vernon]

Giants.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I couldn't do. I couldn't do Notre Dame. I'm just dead silent the entire game.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay.

[Shane Gillis]

You see that guy called Phillies game.

[Jamie Vernon]

What about NFL?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I could do the Eagles. I could. I could have a little more fun with the Eagles.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude, do you know how fun that would be? You McCusker, Jalen Hurts Football players.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Jalen hurts.

[Joe Rogan]

Get him in there.

[Jamie Vernon]

Get a football player in.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

But get Taylor. Get Taylor.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Or will. Yeah. Both of them together.

[Joe Rogan]

That would blow.

[Jamie Vernon]

How about that? You, McUsker, Taylor and Will let us use your studio. Do you know? 100% lock it in.

[Shane Gillis]

There it is.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Jam's like, what the J will be involved.

[Jamie Vernon]

It would be a great idea.

[Shane Gillis]

Sundays might have football. Occasional Thursday.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We can get a couple brusques in here. Watch the dude.

[Jamie Vernon]

A football companion would be sick with you guys. That was literally one o'.

[Joe Rogan]

Clock.

[Jamie Vernon]

You could totally use this place.

[Shane Gillis]

It'll be 12 here.

[Jamie Vernon]

Bro. That would be so sick. And people would love it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You're like, adam will come out with me on Sundays when I'm in Austin and he doesn't drink. So, like, we'll. We'll come out. We'll watch the one o' clock game. We'll get a. I'll get a buzz going.

[Joe Rogan]

He would relapse for that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

All right, 4:00pm we'll stay for the 4:00pm Spike is.

[Joe Rogan]

He's relap for less.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm drinking for the 4pm they go it. We're already out here. We might as well stay for Sunday Night Football.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is.

[Shane Gillis]

I came for three hours.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Exactly. Out with me for 14 hours.

[Shane Gillis]

Not drinking. That's crazy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Devastated every Sunday.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, I think that would be a killer move. That wouldn't listen. We've done fight companions that got way more views than the actual UFC itself. And I think that, like, Matt watch football.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, but that's what makes it good.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. Well, Matt's just funny.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's funny. And he. You can ask him about football and he'll answer earnestly. Be like, who do you think's gonna win? I'm be like, jets.

[Joe Rogan]

They suck.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Dude, you have no idea.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a great idea.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We would have to.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, no, you do whatever you want.

[Jamie Vernon]

Total great. It's a great idea.

[Shane Gillis]

Try one.

[Jamie Vernon]

Definitely do it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I couldn't do college football, though.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, I get it. I get too invested.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Going to be going to a Lot of UT games. We got to get you to a Texas game this year. Oh, yeah, Texas.

[Jamie Vernon]

I've been to them.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Texas, Ohio State.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude, I went to three last year.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's so.

[Joe Rogan]

I was really.

[Shane Gillis]

Well, your tailgate. They got a good tailgate.

[Jamie Vernon]

The best is the nighttime games.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Only.

[Jamie Vernon]

Nighttime games are fun.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Night games, bro.

[Jamie Vernon]

Nighttime games are lit. They get crazy. They're fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Any live event is fun. Any sporting event.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, but there's something about Texas and football where it's like an institution.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I went to the LSU games in college, and it was like. The Coliseum was insane.

[Jamie Vernon]

What do we got here? September 12, 6:30, Ohio State versus Texas.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's the one.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's go. That is only the. No, that's the weekend before. That's the weekend.

[Joe Rogan]

There's.

[Jamie Vernon]

When's the UFC? There's a UFC in that 911 range.

[Joe Rogan]

The jets.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, it's the weekend after. It's the 18th and 19th. That's in LA. There's a UFC in LA if you guys want to take over the Comedy Store for a weekend.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, what day?

[Jamie Vernon]

18th and 19th. The 19th is the UFC. The 18th. We take over on Friday.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn.

[Jamie Vernon]

We say, fellas, taking over the world. Let's go. I know, but we still got to go see Kanye. That's The Big Kanye.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

September 4th.

[Jamie Vernon]

Does he have any other shows announced?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm not sure. The third and fourth in Chicago.

[Joe Rogan]

Is he gonna let you sing a

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

song like Bryant, I'm gonna stand on the top of the globe and do stand up. Before he comes out, I'm gonna do one bit.

[Jamie Vernon]

I got a question. Question. What are the. The ancient Jews that had the box on the head? They still wear the box.

[Shane Gillis]

They got that in Brooklyn.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay. What's the box?

[Shane Gillis]

It's got a GPS in there, so you can plan out where the beepers are.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, Jakarta is gonna be so.

[Shane Gillis]

Jakarta.

[Jamie Vernon]

Almaty.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy. Where's that?

[Jamie Vernon]

Where's Almaty? What is that? New Orleans. New Orleans would be fun.

[Shane Gillis]

Wait, where's New Orleans? Where's New Orleans? Orleans. Wait. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When's New Orleans?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Shane Gillis]

Let's go to Kazakhstan.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is doing a stadium in Kazakhstan. Hey, Superdome in New Orleans would be fun.

[Joe Rogan]

That's fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

Or we could just go to Jakarta and get killed.

[Shane Gillis]

Let's go to Jakarta.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

September 4th.

[Jamie Vernon]

September 4th. To move or third? Third or fourth is the move.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I don't know if I still have it in me, boys.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm so.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Dude, I don't even know if I can bong. A beer these days?

[Shane Gillis]

America.

[Joe Rogan]

You got it. Muslim memory kick in?

[Jamie Vernon]

What changed?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm just gay now.

[Joe Rogan]

Do it for America. England.

[Jamie Vernon]

America.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah,

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

yeah, I still got it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Chicago is only about.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Doesn't go.

[Jamie Vernon]

How many hours is Chicago from here by plane?

[Shane Gillis]

Hour and a half, two central.

[Jamie Vernon]

So we could conceivably do a podcast on that Thursday the 3rd and fly straight to Chicago.

[Shane Gillis]

September plane.

[Jamie Vernon]

Do a podcast on the plane.

[Shane Gillis]

Nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Why not?

[Shane Gillis]

Nice?

[Joe Rogan]

Are you cool with Kanye before we met? What?

[Shane Gillis]

When in the.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Will you please show up with a Yamakan?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, get the box.

[Jamie Vernon]

Tell me about the box.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, what's going on with that box?

[Jamie Vernon]

What's in the box? What's in the box?

[Shane Gillis]

It's got some prayers in there. Big deal. It's got prayers, it's got some codes.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, really, what is actually in the box?

[Jamie Vernon]

Are you not allowed to tell the biblical scripture?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it's scripture. It's like hero Israel.

[Jamie Vernon]

The bigger the box, the more scripture you got in there, the more pious you are. That's what it is. You got a fat box, you know. Look at that guy.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, no, those cost, like, 15 grand.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude, that's tight.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Obviously.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know what's weird? You ever seen those ancient Chinese sculptures that show a guy with a box on his head that looks like. Looks like. Like he's got a giant nose? Have you seen those?

[Shane Gillis]

No.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Jews visited China.

[Jamie Vernon]

I believe so. There's an sculpture.

[Shane Gillis]

We got there early to get our Chinese food.

[Jamie Vernon]

See if you can find those.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's Chinese sculptures of dudes that have boxes in their head and people have looked at them. Look at that. Hey, you're saying that. No, that's not the one.

[Joe Rogan]

No way. No way.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's not what I was talking about.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie, I got the horn.

[Shane Gillis]

Some.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's some way better ones.

[Joe Rogan]

What the hell box are you talking about?

[Jamie Vernon]

There's other ones that look like way more normal.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Joe, I think you got hit with Jewish ar.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, my God, that's so funny. I'm telling you, I saw one with the box on the head. The guy had the box. What's in the box?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But it's just prayers.

[Shane Gillis]

It's just prayers curled up.

[Jamie Vernon]

What a great idea.

[Joe Rogan]

What is it? Foreskins?

[Jamie Vernon]

How much would people mock the map

[Shane Gillis]

to the Lost world?

[Jamie Vernon]

Christians, if they carried a Bible on their head, like a chin strap?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The Chris gods with that pope hat. It's nothing to sneeze at.

[Jamie Vernon]

The thing is, people have to wear a crazy wizards costume to get you to convince that they're different than you, bro.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

If you go cool ass outfit. Pop has cool.

[Shane Gillis]

If you go to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, that's cool.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Outfits.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's got a car.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And he's got a sick car.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got a mobile, Pop.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Mobile.

[Jamie Vernon]

This new guy doesn't use the Popemobile, though.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

This new guy is like the egalitarian Pope. He's like a different kind of Pope.

[Shane Gillis]

Sitting storage.

[Jamie Vernon]

He got rid of the throne. Got a regular seat.

[Shane Gillis]

J. Leno's driving it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I used to get gays.

[Joe Rogan]

He likes the gaze, this man. Oh yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

What an old lady had.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's like Bishop Don Juan type.

[Joe Rogan]

DL Hugh.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The drip's severe, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

That's a weird one.

[Jamie Vernon]

That shit's awesome, bro.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Look at that hat.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Hold on.

[Jamie Vernon]

The staff.

[Shane Gillis]

It's tough to drive with that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Imagine any other job. Imagine if that guy was the CEO of United Healthcare. Why you dress like that? Any other job where you dress like that, people think you're a Y. Jesus didn't found when where?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Shane Gillis]

Bottom right.

[Jamie Vernon]

Cuz he had to visit the Holy Land.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a big yam.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't think that's a real yama. I think that's like a pope cap.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Boys always wear that.

[Joe Rogan]

It's different. It's cold in there.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it's the same.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, it's not.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got a sock hat on.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's covering his whole.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, he's a Chicago.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's covering the whole head, bro.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Showing the White Sox.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's a. Oh, look at that. White Sox.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They did pope night the other night and everybody got one of the Pope hats.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's hilarious.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And then they had a nice moment.

[Shane Gillis]

Tommy Pope hat. Tommy's like, for me, me, I barely even been to Chicago.

[Jamie Vernon]

It is weird that we let them dress like that. I mean, this is insane.

[Joe Rogan]

They have.

[Jamie Vernon]

But there's no other job where you're allowed to dress like that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that guy.

[Shane Gillis]

Tina.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's a crazy outfit.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Toss those out for the White Sox fans. Then they had a peace be with you with the entire crowd from the Catholics. And everybody shook each other's hands and

[Joe Rogan]

said, I love what they do.

[Shane Gillis]

That's nice.

[Jamie Vernon]

Have me and Tony of me and Duncan. Rather. Have we ever dressed like popes?

[Shane Gillis]

Duncan did.

[Joe Rogan]

That's sacrilegious.

[Jamie Vernon]

We've dressed like priests, right? We did priests.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh.

[Jamie Vernon]

Every time we do a podcast, Duncan and I would wear different outfits. The most difficult was furries.

[Joe Rogan]

You did a Furry. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You wear the helmet and you're like, respect to the furries.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Because this thing is tough to wear.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's see the furry.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

We've been you just like green man.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, we dress like everything. We dress like Tesla robots. That was one. Just like demons.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

If you go back through the catalog, that's great. That was Halloween with Elon. Me and Elon did a podcast and I dressed like that guy, the Joe Rogan guy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Puerto Rican.

[Jamie Vernon]

I would have thought that was me if I didn't know that was me.

[Shane Gillis]

That's my favorite one because I think that's the one. You guys were being quoted on CNN

[Jamie Vernon]

by saying something with a bunch of candles.

[Shane Gillis]

Serious podcast.

[Jamie Vernon]

When we were talking quoted on cnn, we were literally dressed like clowns. We're actually clowns.

[Shane Gillis]

When they cut to you after they

[Jamie Vernon]

set it up, I was like, guys, what's the bl.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that an ice agent? What is a black.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, that's a Tesla robot.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Jamie Vernon]

We dress like a Tesla robot. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's great.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, we, we. I bought those online. Shout out. Shout out to Amazon. We've been elves. That was one to the left of that. See, Duncan dressed like an elf. To the left to that.

[Joe Rogan]

He's cute.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah, that one. We wore plague masks.

[Shane Gillis]

Jesus, that's fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

We've done everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, let me see that play.

[Jamie Vernon]

Duncan wore a ghillie suit once. How about the one where it's me with the eyeballs lit? That. What is that?

[Joe Rogan]

Sick? That's terrifying.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, that was a Halloween episode.

[Shane Gillis]

That's it. You would win Halloween. You could go out that anonymously. Not now anymore.

[Jamie Vernon]

But they're pretty sick. But we again, we couldn't keep those on for very long.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, we went. Me and Sal went one year on Halloween to the New York parade. Like 15 of us dressed in the same Batman outfit. And then every time we saw a joker, we'd all surround them and start like chest pumping them. It was so sick. We just kept going to be like, where is she?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It was so much fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

So fun to be a dude.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

And the working. The belt worked. So we put liquor bottle, like airplane bottles in there.

[Joe Rogan]

Utility belt. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

De Stefano's with us. At some point we had to rip up the bottom so we could piss through it on the street. It's a one piece. Yeah, it was so great.

[Joe Rogan]

Cuz you have no identity except for the beards.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, that's what the furries like. They like hiding. Yeah, hiding. Whoever they are, they don't like who they are. So they could just be free.

[Shane Gillis]

It's fine.

[Jamie Vernon]

I get it. I get it. Wearing that mask for a little bit, though, I genuinely. Both Duncan and I both gained respect for the furries.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but then they shoot the President.

[Jamie Vernon]

Nah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Wasn't that guy a furry?

[Jamie Vernon]

No, he loved a furry.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he loved a furry. So.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, but I'm not even sure about. That's true. The more. The more time goes on, the more I'm leaning towards Candace Owens.

[Shane Gillis]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, whoa.

[Jamie Vernon]

She's got some very interesting theories about.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Look at that.

[Shane Gillis]

Derosa was there.

[Jamie Vernon]

We were getting hammered.

[Shane Gillis]

Those belts, look, they got the.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's great.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's funny.

[Joe Rogan]

That's great.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't think any story that you hear in the news is accurate.

[Shane Gillis]

I think there's always none or spin on it.

[Jamie Vernon]

At least there's always some spin.

[Joe Rogan]

But the public.

[Jamie Vernon]

Whatever the spin is. Whatever the spin is about Tyler Robinson, there's some to it. I don't know how much of. How much of his, but there's some. And one of the more recent bullshits is they found a photo that they were saying was Tyler Robinson, but then people noticed that the. The. Because he's real thin. People noticed that the cars in the background, the proportions were distorted. And then they realized that what they had done was taken a guy who's, like, much wider than Tyler Robinson and shrunken the perspective.

[Shane Gillis]

Really?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yep. And then when you see him for what he really looks like, like, oh, there's no way that's that guy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Guy.

[Jamie Vernon]

That guy's big.

[Shane Gillis]

And then you're like, well, it's mostly true. Like, no, no, no.

[Joe Rogan]

They.

[Jamie Vernon]

They changed. Like, you look at the hood of the cars behind them. They're all like that now.

[Shane Gillis]

Who is that guy?

[Jamie Vernon]

What guy?

[Shane Gillis]

Tyler Robinson.

[Jamie Vernon]

He was the guy who supposedly shot Charlie Kirk.

[Joe Rogan]

Kirk, yeah. Not the President.

[Shane Gillis]

It was in Guatemala when I heard about that, William.

[Jamie Vernon]

Really?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. People bark. Wait. Some guys, like, what do you think about Charlie Kirk? I'm like, I like. College videos were cool to begin with. Yeah. And they were like, he's dead. I'm like, what?

[Jamie Vernon]

No, he going to show it. The thing about that guy is fur. He show Attorney Kirk what.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What you just.

[Joe Rogan]

And Erica Kirk S. She's a funny.

[Jamie Vernon]

She loves sparkler.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, she does.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Wasn't funny enough. I was like, yeah, all right.

[Shane Gillis]

You ever see Drew's America? Kirk?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I jerked off. I thought threatening him.

[Jamie Vernon]

Were going to sue him for that.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't know. It's funny.

[Jamie Vernon]

The Best thing that ever happened when he came out, he starts doing cartwheels and with white face on white face.

[Joe Rogan]

He's killing it, that guy. Every video kills this when he goes nascar. Unbelievable.

[Jamie Vernon]

Funny dude. Funny dude. People that got upset with that. Shut up. I know you don't think it's weird the lady comes out to sparkers behind her? You're out of your mind. That's insane. You don't think someone can make fun of that?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

She walks out like Randy Orton. Goldberg coming out.

[Jamie Vernon]

Undertaker queen Wore black for 80 years.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy in interview. She dresses like. Like Seal Team 6. She's all blacked out with, like, a black hat and everything.

[Jamie Vernon]

Serious, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

She's serious.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Are cool.

[Jamie Vernon]

She's serious. There's a lot of controversy in the Navy SEAL community as to who actually killed business Laden. I've been down a rabbit hole this.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not o'. Neal.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, o' Neal says he did it. A lot of the guys that were connected to people that were on that mission say he was one of the people that shot bin Laden, but he probably shot a guy who was already dead. I don't know if that's true.

[Joe Rogan]

I got his poster in my room.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm sure they all put one in them as well. Look, if you were on the team and I had already shot him, you'd run and shoot him too. Yeah, we all shot him. And then I would say, yeah, we got him. We all shot, fought, shot together. I'd let you in on it. I'll let you get bit a little credit.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it was cool. I watched the doc about bin Laden, and they found out it was him from his shadow. They measured his shadow because they knew he was 6 5, so they measured the shadow. That's. They knew it was him.

[Jamie Vernon]

I heard they knew where he was a long time before they attacked. Well, I heard they knew from people, from the inside people. I knew they kind of. They knew when to do it, and they had a decision, a strategic decision as to what to take them out.

[Shane Gillis]

I like it. Not full invasion. Just get like six badass guys in there.

[Jamie Vernon]

I feel really naked without these sunglasses.

[Joe Rogan]

He was throwing his kids in front of the. The firepower, too. It's crazy. Ben Laden throwing his wife and throwing women in front of him, and they just shot them all. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You sure?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, that's what I'd say if I shot a bunch of women. Got through those kids.

[Jamie Vernon]

Place them there.

[Shane Gillis]

He's coming right at us.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, that was Baghdaddy did that. Yeah, he grabs two kids and Ran into a tunnel and then blew himself up.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, really? God. Oh, my God.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, they were. They were D students.

[Jamie Vernon]

War is so crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Crazy. Good thing we're not in one of those.

[Jamie Vernon]

When is that gonna end? When are we gonna stop doing that?

[Shane Gillis]

Take some profit out of it, maybe.

[Jamie Vernon]

Trump. Trump posted today about the straight of her moose is now owned by the United States.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm not being anti Semitic. Not being anti Semitic. You said it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Trump posted today that the United States controls the straight of Hormuz.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, he tweets that every two days.

[Shane Gillis]

You gotta be like, guys, what he's tweeting is just distracting you.

[Joe Rogan]

There's a deal. We have a deal.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, but we all know this.

[Joe Rogan]

We're close to a deal.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

You imagine if you were a guy who had a coin, you had Gillis coin, and every time you tweeted, wild Gillis coin just went up.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. You know what I mean?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Isn't he selling his Truth Social media tweets to people and then they can bet on it?

[Jamie Vernon]

What?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I think, yeah, you can bet on anything. Selling access.

[Joe Rogan]

Selling access.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's selling faster access to his tweets, and then you can bet on it on the markets because.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wait a minute.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's literally insider trading.

[Shane Gillis]

It's Kashi. Everything you could fix.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wait a minute, is that real? You get access to a tweet before he makes it, and then you could bet on that tweet. How is that legal? Wait a minute. What is this? Trump sued over true social advance access sale.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm online in the Oval Office.

[Jamie Vernon]

Who's telling him this is a good idea? I feel like I need to be

[Joe Rogan]

closer to thousand dollar contracts.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, it's a hundred grand you can get us.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hey, you know how crazy that is? A hundred thousand dollars to get early tweets.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's literally crazy off so much when he tweets.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like Truth Social, parent company Trump Media announced in July it would offer subscribers to Truth API who paid up to $100,000 each month. Oh, my God. Not even just $100,000 a year each month for early access to market moving posts from Trump and other people who use the platform. You imagine you charge 1.2 million a year. He's just on a grab.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

And to get that, it's just people who are, like, profit off.

[Jamie Vernon]

I just want to be in the middle meeting where they go, I got an idea.

[Shane Gillis]

And everyone go see each other. Like, should we tell them?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, they go, look, everyone, it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I bet it wasn't even Trump. It Was probably some weasel who works in the administration. Is like, charge him 100 grand a month and you post things and they can move the market.

[Joe Rogan]

Yikes.

[Shane Gillis]

Just another form of the same.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, here's the thing. Is it legal? Cuz it is available. Someone else wants to sign up for it.

[Shane Gillis]

Legal.

[Jamie Vernon]

It doesn't seem like it should be.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Obviously he operates in legal.

[Jamie Vernon]

Great land.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

But this is the thing about the Trump coin. It's not illegal. Like, coins are not illegal.

[Shane Gillis]

What's her name was like, my husband's the best thing.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's gay.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

This is all gay.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Enough, enough.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's not good. If you're already wealthy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I've had enough. I'm. I'm.

[Jamie Vernon]

If you're already wealthy and you try making money.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm sick of it.

[Jamie Vernon]

If you're already wealthy and you try making money. Is that a Tony Hcliff?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, it's just me being gay does sound like. Unbelievable.

[Jamie Vernon]

Unbelievable. But if I think anybody could start a coin. I mean, we.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

When we were talking about the. The hawk to a coin, we got hit up by like a bunch of different people and people tried to get me to add to do ads for coins.

[Shane Gillis]

And I'm like, hey, I'm still looking for actual coins.

[Joe Rogan]

Fair.

[Jamie Vernon]

So here's a crazy one. Here's the crazy one that went. I can talk about it now because it went away. Yeah. But there was a point in time where I was doing interviews with fighters after their fights, and they said, I want to thank Marshall Rogan coin. And the coin was my dog's face mar. And it was like. It was literally like almost like my logo. It said Marshall Rogan coin and it was Marshall, my dog. And I. I would interview these guys and I was like, okay, if I call attention to this, like, what. What should I do here? My job job when I'm interviewing fighters is just to interview fighters. I just. It's their big moment. They work their ass off to get here. They want to fight. I don't want to inject myself in any way if it's not necessary.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Like, what the.

[Shane Gillis]

That also you're like, what?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Because like. But a bunch of guys were like, I want to thank Marshall Rogancoin. The UFC got hip to it and they put a kibosh on it. But I don't know what these guys were doing, but I assume what they were doing was a pump and dump and they were paying the fighters. So they. I don't know if it was pumping up. Maybe it was Legitimate. But the point is, the fighters were legitimately getting paid because every time they would win, they would talk about Marshall Rogan coin. And then assumedly, some people that were interested in crypto would buy it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's no bueno.

[Jamie Vernon]

Had nothing to do with me. And me. Here I am interviewing these guys, going, this is a weird position to be in. Like, I don't want to say anything, but eventually, the UFC is. You have anything to do with that,

[Shane Gillis]

I would know, because you're standing there, so it seems like you're part of it.

[Jamie Vernon]

100% time.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

But also, I don't want to up this guy's moment and say, hey, I got nothing to do with Marshall Rogan coin. I don't give a. This guy just want to fight.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Scam going on. Let everybody else figure it out. But it was the weirdest thing in the world. Like, my dog, they'll do anything. Coin, you know?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And I'm sure a lot of people probably thought I was involved. I had no idea it even happened until someone said, Marshall Rogan coin while I was interviewing. I'm like, what?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I mean, I wonder what the. That was back.

[Jamie Vernon]

I found out in the octagon while I'm holding a microphone in front of a fighter's hand face after he won, like, Marshall Rogan Coin. And I was like, what the. Are you just saying my dog, boy? My dog's got glasses on. Everybody's asleep. He's on the laptop. Yeah. These are the foam with cotter.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Try to get somebody at my dad sense.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Instagram reel of a raccoon driving a car. And I'll be like, go to bed, dude. 12:30.

[Joe Rogan]

That's adorable, bro.

[Jamie Vernon]

Raccoons might be the cutest animals of all.

[Shane Gillis]

The raccoon Coin.

[Jamie Vernon]

That was it.

[Shane Gillis]

Raccoon.

[Jamie Vernon]

Talk about them, Dad.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I want to talk about my dad. Using Instagram reels. He's moved on. The second the Phillies game ends, he's on the Instagram, lights off in the house, on a recliner by himself, looking at.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're. They're endless.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

My mom was on vacation for, like, two weeks. My dad got wrecked for two weeks. The second she leaves the house, he dies. He's calling me. He's like, I just want you to know you're a good guy. I'll be. I love you, dad. I'll be like, yeah, all right.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, that's so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He sits in the dark and looks at real. I'm like, what are you doing right now? He's like, I'm going to bed, bro.

[Jamie Vernon]

If you're an old dude and you've never experienced.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He went from no Internet at all. Zero Internet ever.

[Shane Gillis]

Dump right in now.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, right to heroin.

[Shane Gillis]

AI years.

[Jamie Vernon]

Loop me in with him and I'll. I'll send him all the. That Tom Segura sends me.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, no, don't send him.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's just dark. No, that's the gori.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I don't want to do that to Phil.

[Joe Rogan]

I sent.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We need to send nice stuff.

[Jamie Vernon]

I sent Cigar. Some rough ones today. Woo. I got him today. Every now and then he gets me, but I got him today. I got him with two brutal murders.

[Joe Rogan]

A. You got him divorced.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Got to send him divorce dude murder pictures because he's thinking about that money

[Joe Rogan]

he's going to lose. By the way, AOC single. Tom, you better get on there.

[Jamie Vernon]

I heard about that.

[Joe Rogan]

Be a fun couple. She likes the haun.

[Jamie Vernon]

She's. She's single and freezing her. Her eggs.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, really?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, he's already got two kids.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

She made a video of her freezing her eggs. Getting in there with a needle and plug him.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Shane Gillis]

She made a video of it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I don't understand how any of that works either.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't get it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, I don't get it.

[Shane Gillis]

South Korean football team.

[Joe Rogan]

Did they have a football team?

[Shane Gillis]

Soccer.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You're such a bad

[Shane Gillis]

story.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You really do suck for that.

[Shane Gillis]

They got all they got.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Do it again. Do it again.

[Shane Gillis]

See what the South Korean.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

See what I did there? I learned. I learned and I moved.

[Jamie Vernon]

89 years old. You're 89 years old.

[Shane Gillis]

By the way, soccer is a British term. They got. They got all the refs late. All the refs there. Yeah. Sexual services.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, good for them.

[Shane Gillis]

They get them all laid so they'll like, root. They'll root for the South Korean team.

[Joe Rogan]

That's brilliant.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not cheating.

[Jamie Vernon]

Alleged that it spent thousands of dollars on sexual services for foreign referees. That's it.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a steal.

[Jamie Vernon]

Thousands of dollars is a bargain. Think about how much Korea. How much draftkings money is in these games.

[Joe Rogan]

South Korea seems like the. It's so fun over there above is terrifying.

[Jamie Vernon]

They made taekwondo, Samsung phones, squid game, Parasite. Oh, squid games. Awesome.

[Shane Gillis]

Parasite was great fun.

[Joe Rogan]

K pop. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. However, they're not going to reproduce.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're in a real, real situation.

[Joe Rogan]

They're in a pickle there.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're in one of the worst situations in terms. Nationally, in terms of.

[Joe Rogan]

Of Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

Reproducing well, because they're just busy, right? They're like an insane, insane. Like, I grew up around Koreans.

[Joe Rogan]

No, the Korean women are not into the dudes.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, it's not even just that the work ethic over there is insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Really.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. I grew up with Koreans cuz I was doing taekwondo when I was a kid. So I was around Koreans all the time. Like, you've never seen work ethic. Like Korean people.

[Shane Gillis]

They're the only ones that outdo was.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's the reason why I feel lazy to this day. I. I was training with this kid who was going to medical school. He was going through his residency while he was on the national taekwondo team. So he won the U.S. nationals. He was competing internationally while he was going through his medical residency.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Didn't even anesthesia. He would just.

[Jamie Vernon]

The dude slept like an hour a night. It was crazy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He would.

[Jamie Vernon]

Some of his training, he would put his books, all the books that he needed to read, he put them in a bag, backpack, and just run the stairs at the university and then go back to the library. I've never. He always looked hard. He's like. He always looked like this. He always looked exhausted.

[Shane Gillis]

Well, that's just how they look.

[Jamie Vernon]

Ferocious.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I couldn't even open his eyes.

[Jamie Vernon]

But they work so hard, man. And their parents forced them. Like they. They don't have any way out. There's no like, man, take a year off and find yourself that. There's none that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Of.

[Jamie Vernon]

Of that. That Tiger mom. That's real, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

And. And they do the eye surgery over

[Shane Gillis]

there in South Korea.

[Joe Rogan]

Little appropriated. They want to go round eye.

[Jamie Vernon]

They do a lot of that.

[Shane Gillis]

Who's that music guy? Was he from South Korea when they jumped out of the stage?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's amazing. Talk about him pumping you up. Gang of stuff.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, that guy's a good show.

[Joe Rogan]

Fun. I love.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We got Koreans hailed it. John lynch raccoons.

[Joe Rogan]

A comedian could never.

[Jamie Vernon]

When he's in that enormous crowd and he comes flying out of the floor. That rules, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

We don't have to play the music, but we got to see that. That stage jump, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

It's so funny. We used to go to UFC's in Vegas and we. You check into MGM, you're like, why are there a thousand Koreans here? And there'd be some K pop band that you never heard of filling up the state. Filling up.

[Joe Rogan]

They kill it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So you're saying they're too busy.

[Joe Rogan]

Here we go.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Here he comes. Look at this guy. He was.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

100% he. Everybody just like a band leader.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie Vernon]

Look at them go crazy. Come on. Look at them go crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

I mean this is worst. This is better than turn style.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is like a Serbian basketball game. This is wild.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, I mean they're pretty good.

[Jamie Vernon]

Look at the fucking air this guy kept catches. Look at the air he catches.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that. He's dressed like a Dallas cheerleader. Yes.

[Jamie Vernon]

For the 80s. He's got the fringe. Like outlaw Josie Whales.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You want to get a turn? I want to go turn on the way here. Generator though I'm. I'm more of an old. Old guy.

[Joe Rogan]

What? Jamie, they're over here trying to talk. Trying to be cool.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Trying to be cool. I caught him trying to be cool.

[Shane Gillis]

I. You caught me being cool.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, no.

[Jamie Vernon]

You said football when you really meant soccer. That's gay as.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That was gay.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a new. Newer band. That's.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's not new.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, what is?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Turnstile puts on a show.

[Joe Rogan]

It's new.

[Jamie Vernon]

Explain to me, please. Jeremy.

[Joe Rogan]

Hardcore band. Kind of, you know. Oh, nice.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is it Cum core boys? Did you find any Come core.

[Joe Rogan]

I stumbled down. Come metal.

[Shane Gillis]

No. Play the live. Don't play videos. Live show.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I thought this had live.

[Jamie Vernon]

What? What am I looking at?

[Shane Gillis]

What do you think Now I don't

[Jamie Vernon]

understand what I'm seeing.

[Joe Rogan]

Kids are in bands again.

[Shane Gillis]

Video guys, this is.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let me hear this.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, this is Great.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

This is 12 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

World is healing. Oh, it's a year old. I thought this is like yesterday was he like Kids are doing Rock is back.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They're from. They're from Baltimore.

[Joe Rogan]

Nice. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Baltmore.

[Joe Rogan]

They say a. I think the weird

[Jamie Vernon]

thing is how rap has fallen off the ch.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was going to say that cuz Drizzy Drake was. Was gone.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, it's because USAID got defunded. Maybe that's a lot of people.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, but Drake was gone.

[Shane Gillis]

USA got the funded that drop rap.

[Joe Rogan]

We're back on aid US A.

[Jamie Vernon]

The Agency for International Development is well known to have been funding about a bunch of radical anti government rappers overseas. Funding a ton of them. Like a ton of it was basically all about regime change. That was a big part of what USA was about. And the thought is that US aid had some look Mike Benz. He's a famous quote. The US Aid was there for things that were too dirty for the CIA. What are you doing?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, Joe. The reason rap was gone. Drake was gone. Where go Poppy's home.

[Jamie Vernon]

No. USA didn't fund rap. Despite with this viral right wing theory claims There you go. Yeah, but this is Yahoo News, and that's owned by AR's family.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Joe, can I say one more thing?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You did a lot of good stuff.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You've gotten so big that all of your opinions will be debunked. Yeah, your opinions. When you say something, when you go, this is what happened. Literally, the first article will come up and instead of naming you, it'll be like, that's wrong. Despite these crazy claims. It's literally your claims. Well, if you Google something, it's directly against you.

[Jamie Vernon]

But this one is not. Not mine. I read this online and I read this from people like one of them was Mike Benz. And Mike Benz is very credible and was talking about it. So it's not. It's not. Not my idea.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Isn't he a CIA disinformation agent?

[Jamie Vernon]

Is that what you think I call my FaceTime right now. We'll find out. We're in the middle of Protect our Parks.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Can you help me?

[Shane Gillis]

A lot.

[Joe Rogan]

I believe the fifth give me that puppy.

[Jamie Vernon]

A lot of what he's saying is not pro CIA at all.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Cuz that's what they want, brother. There's no way the CIA would let a CIA agent talk, bro.

[Shane Gillis]

That's true.

[Jamie Vernon]

Freaking me out, man.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They want to give us bad info. They love disinformation.

[Joe Rogan]

CIA, they invented. God damn it, Slip. Regroup. They did the acid things.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah, they did. That must have been fun. Imagine watching people try to get laid. Acid.

[Shane Gillis]

Cuban Hip hop.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Failed attempt to infiltrate Cuban hip hop. Yeah, but they. They try.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That makes sense. Government.

[Jamie Vernon]

It says fail 10 years ago.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It makes perfect sense. They're getting other countries, like cultural revolutions. They always try to make other. Other governments unstable. What a better way than good music.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Smart people, like. And that's. That's what they did. But no, the reason. Reason hip hop's down right now in the United States is sweet Jersey. Drake was gone. Now Poppy's home. Check the charts again. Iceman's back. Iceman's back, Daddy.

[Jamie Vernon]

I mean, after all that, I'm a 90s hip hop head.

[Shane Gillis]

I.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's so much great 90s hip hop that it's hard for me to escape that era.

[Joe Rogan]

And it got too, too Auto Tuney.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, I don't mind some of the new stuff, but it's like I like old school knobs. Nas. That's what I'm into. Cool G Rap. Oh, are you okay?

[Shane Gillis]

Are.

[Joe Rogan]

He's having a heart attack.

[Jamie Vernon]

Ever since he moved to uk became a. Wants warm beer.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

They drink warm beer.

[Shane Gillis]

Nice warm beer in a hot day. Oh, it goes down terrible.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

About some peas for breakfast.

[Jamie Vernon]

Did they really have warm beer over there?

[Shane Gillis]

Is that really the Taylors, bro? You get a Luke?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, they punk.

[Jamie Vernon]

Can you order a cool Toll if you want Want?

[Shane Gillis]

No. Where they can put on ice? You can ask for ice.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, but the beer is cold there.

[Shane Gillis]

Guinness is cold. Timothy Taylor cold regular beer.

[Jamie Vernon]

What is Timothy Taylor's?

[Shane Gillis]

It's like a local. England doesn't have good local beers. They're not great.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

An apartment now you can't even their

[Jamie Vernon]

is like arrested at the airport.

[Shane Gillis]

All their shit's from Ireland. From other places they have the Spanish beer.

[Joe Rogan]

Ireland kills us.

[Shane Gillis]

Belgium beer. They don't have locals. Unless it's like at your pub.

[Joe Rogan]

Call me crazy, but everybody goes the Guinness over there. It's so different. I didn't notice it. It felt very similar.

[Jamie Vernon]

How could it be different?

[Joe Rogan]

That's what they say. It's different here. We got better pipes and barrels. Drake's back on the chart, but so is Thriller. Thrillers. It didn't just come out.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Movie. Not the duck.

[Shane Gillis]

Damn.

[Jamie Vernon]

Stick Season is still in the top 10. That's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Morgan never leaves there.

[Shane Gillis]

Look at this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Morgan Wallen balling out of control.

[Shane Gillis]

He's got two in the top top 10.

[Joe Rogan]

Ariana Grando. She's a real skinny lady.

[Jamie Vernon]

Morgan Wallen's legit. I love his music.

[Shane Gillis]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

Country.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let me see. What else is in the top 10? What is in the top 10 of. What is it?

[Joe Rogan]

That's the top 200.

[Jamie Vernon]

What is it?

[Joe Rogan]

Billboard.

[Jamie Vernon]

Billboard. Is it albums or songs? Songs. So was three.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Which Drake song was it?

[Jamie Vernon]

Olivia Rodrigo. She's huge. Ella Langley. She's gigantic. No, Noah Khan like that. Stick Season's been around for years, man. That's been on my Spotify playlist for a long time.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, this is albums you like, Noah?

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I went to see him with the

[Jamie Vernon]

lady at Stick Season's a great city field.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

How was it?

[Joe Rogan]

I did shrooms to get through it. But what's not my cup of jizz? But it was her birthday. I took her there.

[Jamie Vernon]

You got to be in the mood for it. I like to mix it up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But I was the one going to a lady concert. K. Like a concert the girl wants to take you to. And you're like, you just want to this guy and then midway through you go, I want to this. Yeah, A good ass show. I had a girl take me to a. What's his name?

[Shane Gillis]

Bret Betson. Boon.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That kind of guy. Holy. This show rocks.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a cute twink, that guy.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know who I got coming on soon? Rick Spring Springfield.

[Shane Gillis]

Nice.

[Jamie Vernon]

Have you seen Rick Springfield perform recently? Oh, okay.

[Joe Rogan]

They're eating the dogs.

[Jamie Vernon]

74, maybe 75. Maybe. Looks insane. Shirtless, singing Jesse's Girl. Can't find the video.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a hunk.

[Jamie Vernon]

Find the video.

[Shane Gillis]

Probably still. What?

[Jamie Vernon]

No, no. Find the video. Go right to the video. So the video of him. There's a video that somebody captured on. Of him on stage. Never's like, what the. Is this real? Is this a. AI. He's in his 70s. He's shirtless, he's ripped, and he's singing like he just wrote the song last week. Like, full enthusiasm. He's not Barry Manilow in it with a rubber face. Like, he's. He's. You know, he's really going all in. Look at this. Give me some volume.

[Shane Gillis]

No way.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

This is.

[Jamie Vernon]

Give me some headphones. Shane.

[Joe Rogan]

How old is he?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

70.

[Shane Gillis]

He's got a rough 36.

[Joe Rogan]

No leather pants.

[Jamie Vernon]

How old is this guy, bro? He's 75 years old.

[Joe Rogan]

Listen.

[Jamie Vernon]

34. He's in his 70s.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Shane Gillis]

No way.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn. This is.

[Jamie Vernon]

And look at the energy he has. No, dude, this is really, really decent.

[Joe Rogan]

No way.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yes.

[Shane Gillis]

It's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Look, the guy kept up. He kept up. You can do it.

[Joe Rogan]

What's he doing?

[Jamie Vernon]

Listen to me, boys. I turned 59 years old.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, yeah. Happy birthday.

[Jamie Vernon]

Happy birthday. I'm old as.

[Shane Gillis]

That guy's young.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, you can still do it. This is a different world. We're living in one of those bud lights. If you stay on top of your health, you could do Wild Deep into falling apart.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, that biohack guy, whatever that guy is, John Will.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's falling apart.

[Joe Rogan]

He's falling apart.

[Jamie Vernon]

Brian Johnson.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, well, they're doing weird drugs and.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, yeah, well, he's also vegan.

[Joe Rogan]

He's doing, like, blood transfusions.

[Jamie Vernon]

Stop. Stop with your legumes. Stop.

[Shane Gillis]

Your beans with protein.

[Joe Rogan]

Good.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dump with me. Come eat with me. Let's eat meat.

[Joe Rogan]

That was 785.

[Shane Gillis]

Jeez.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's better now.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow, bro.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude's more better.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

There's got to be other camera angles. That camera angle must be.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, it's legit.

[Shane Gillis]

That doesn't even.

[Joe Rogan]

Look, pull up his dating history. I got to know what all.

[Jamie Vernon]

Give me some music so I could do it to something other than America. Yeah. Let's go. What's this?

[Joe Rogan]

We can't afford this.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Jamie, give him some ice, man. Give him some iceman.

[Jamie Vernon]

How long ago was this?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I don't know, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

A month.

[Jamie Vernon]

It says four weeks.

[Shane Gillis]

Four weeks?

[Jamie Vernon]

Bro, the dude's in his 70s. But it's the enthusiasm. It's the enthusiasm. He's not half ass in this at all.

[Shane Gillis]

Panda, the wheelchairs in the crowd.

[Jamie Vernon]

I love you guys. I'm so happy we're here.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that Voodoo ranger.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Where's the ice?

[Joe Rogan]

I had too much going on.

[Shane Gillis]

Guys, I will tell you. I've been incredibly lonely in London. This is. I needed this.

[Joe Rogan]

You need a back here?

[Jamie Vernon]

Will you move here?

[Joe Rogan]

You were in the jungle for a year, you psycho.

[Jamie Vernon]

Free rent for a year. Come on.

[Shane Gillis]

Too early.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'll show you the place while we're here. While we're in town.

[Shane Gillis]

All right.

[Jamie Vernon]

What are you doing down tomorrow? I'll show you the place.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's see the place.

[Jamie Vernon]

Come on, man. Free rent for you.

[Joe Rogan]

Free rent. You land.

[Jamie Vernon]

Got a gym. It's a nice place. Got a spa.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, that's a Drake video.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, the video.

[Jamie Vernon]

Are you in an official Drake video?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

No way.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I thought that was Derek Ch.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's so sick. I am, I am.

[Joe Rogan]

I am.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's so sick. When did you do this?

[Shane Gillis]

Two months ago.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Couple. Yeah, I forget.

[Joe Rogan]

Spilled the beans on that one, fatty.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, that's okay.

[Joe Rogan]

That was bad. I felt horrible. We. We went and edited. It was bad.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, I appreciate that.

[Shane Gillis]

What?

[Jamie Vernon]

Come on.

[Shane Gillis]

Zero chance. I just did all this work together.

[Jamie Vernon]

Come on. I will kidnap you, Your girls,

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

your girl's making you stay.

[Shane Gillis]

Nobody's like, I just got my visa. 5 year visa. I just got my visa.

[Joe Rogan]

So funny.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, well, you have to stay for five years in a place that sucks. You're not in jail. Just having a visa doesn't mean you're in jail.

[Shane Gillis]

I'll get an apartment. I'll be fine.

[Jamie Vernon]

Just come back.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What do you mean there's no chance?

[Joe Rogan]

What do you mean?

[Shane Gillis]

I just started.

[Joe Rogan]

Just leave it up there once.

[Jamie Vernon]

What could happen that would entice you?

[Shane Gillis]

What.

[Jamie Vernon]

What would be the scenario where you'd go, I have to move to Austin. Let's come up with something.

[Shane Gillis]

Okay. I got one. I got one. I got one.

[Jamie Vernon]

I got one year.

[Shane Gillis]

I would come back if.

[Joe Rogan]

Here we go.

[Shane Gillis]

I get a. A free apartment somewhere.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, no.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm joking.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm staying there. Dude. I'm having a good time.

[Jamie Vernon]

It has to be something.

[Joe Rogan]

What are you doing? The food sucks. The weather sucks.

[Shane Gillis]

Food's amazing.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Food's actually great.

[Shane Gillis]

The food's great.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The weather's great.

[Shane Gillis]

It's been awesome.

[Jamie Vernon]

Some of the best Indian food I've ever had in my life.

[Shane Gillis]

Life.

[Jamie Vernon]

I. Phenomenal.

[Joe Rogan]

All right. All right.

[Shane Gillis]

Sunday.

[Jamie Vernon]

Sunday has some phenomenal.

[Joe Rogan]

They roll it up early over there. I did a show out there for like a month. And you can't get food after, like, nine.

[Shane Gillis]

Ends early.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They do end early. Cuz they all day drink.

[Shane Gillis]

All right. They all start at six.

[Joe Rogan]

I day drink. I like. I like late night food.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, I love your enthusiasm.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm not back a lot.

[Shane Gillis]

Honestly, this is the only thing getting me back.

[Jamie Vernon]

Come on, let's do it. Once a month would be the scenario.

[Joe Rogan]

You look terrible.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You look bad.

[Jamie Vernon]

You look terrible.

[Shane Gillis]

I have had a rough go.

[Joe Rogan]

Sad before. You look like a homeless guy. Your wife hates it.

[Shane Gillis]

I've had a rough.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Wife hates it.

[Jamie Vernon]

She hates it, right? She hates it. Come on, America. Come back here. Your wife needs a cowboy hat.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

All right. You look good, by the way.

[Joe Rogan]

I bet she likes it more.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I saw you, I was like, you look good.

[Shane Gillis]

I know. I need to lose at least a stone.

[Jamie Vernon]

Why? No. You son of a. You son of a.

[Joe Rogan]

A. I always got to go to the Lou.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's no reason to be over there.

[Shane Gillis]

The World cup run was so fun. They made an executive order to keep pubs open late so we could party later.

[Jamie Vernon]

How about this?

[Joe Rogan]

We do that every night.

[Shane Gillis]

We left at 5am I got a compromise game.

[Jamie Vernon]

I got a compromise.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The Mexico game ruled. Fun.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

How about I fly you out every two months? Every two months. Come do the club, hang out, have good time free. You just come.

[Shane Gillis]

That's possible.

[Joe Rogan]

Come on, Jew face.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What do you mean?

[Jamie Vernon]

And if you want to, we have a condo.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's doing something incredibly nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Say yes.

[Jamie Vernon]

We also have a condo at the club. Condo no one's using during the week.

[Joe Rogan]

The club's amazing.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's pretty dope. We have a sick condo, so you could use that during the week.

[Joe Rogan]

And your girl would be happy.

[Shane Gillis]

I got a set. I got.

[Joe Rogan]

She's sleeping in a barn right now.

[Jamie Vernon]

Every couple months, you have a free vacation to Austin.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, this is an intervention, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Jamie Vernon]

You just can hang out and you can.

[Shane Gillis]

January. Wait till January. Let me set my hate my American flag on England soil.

[Joe Rogan]

They don't want it. They're pushing you out.

[Jamie Vernon]

Look, Hicks already did it. Leary already did it. Let it go, Patrice. Yeah, Patrice did it. I forgot Patrice did it.

[Joe Rogan]

How'd they turn out?

[Shane Gillis]

Great.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Patrice died with Snickers.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's what I'm saying.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, what'd you say?

[Shane Gillis]

Patrice died of his snickers.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh. Oh, I heard something else.

[Jamie Vernon]

You don't need it.

[Shane Gillis]

No, it's. It's gonna be.

[Jamie Vernon]

You need to be around in the comics.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Good place.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I actually genuinely do support it.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I really. I don't like you enough to be like, I hope he comes back.

[Shane Gillis]

It's fun. I like to see you again, push back from crowds. It's actually, like, really good for me.

[Joe Rogan]

Good. What are you doing?

[Jamie Vernon]

Come back every couple rooms, and this way you get to see good and suck. Good and suck. And you keep living in the suck, and eventually you're like, what am I doing? I'm 58 years old. Years old. You know when you go back and move to the.

[Shane Gillis]

Shane moved here. He goes, I think I moved to Austin. I was like, dude, it's April. You gotta wait till July. He didn't wait. If you. If you have this conversation December, you might get me.

[Jamie Vernon]

Listen, just get in the sauna every day. It doesn't mean I. I was outside in that. In the shooting arrows for two hours today. I don't feel a thing. I don't give A. It's 100 degrees. Who cares? Drink water. It doesn't mean that anything.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's. It's pretty hot everywhere here.

[Jamie Vernon]

Just getting us on.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm in New York now, too. It's hot as this is humid.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's multi city. Do you understand this? You can be multi city.

[Shane Gillis]

It hasn't rained once in two months.

[Jamie Vernon]

City. You can be multi city for free.

[Shane Gillis]

Let's have more of these.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm giving you an opportunity to be multi city for free.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, I got to get set there. I want to say something to these people.

[Joe Rogan]

Your life.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Shut the.

[Jamie Vernon]

I got a V to me and a dog. Shut the Up. I don't have anything to Up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Has something to say.

[Jamie Vernon]

How the. Do you have something to say? I don't have anything to say. The number one podcast in the world. I don't have a thing to say to people.

[Shane Gillis]

You said it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't have to say to people. It happens. It happens. But I don't ever say I have something to say.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What do you want to tell the people of England?

[Shane Gillis]

America's way better than you.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, they come back, they already know their face.

[Joe Rogan]

You're Shaf Starmer.

[Jamie Vernon]

You bomb Gaza. Free Palestine. You need to go on stage every night with a free Palestine.

[Shane Gillis]

Funny when I go there, because there's a lot of free Palestine there, and I'm like, but you guys, you controlled it before Israel. Like you could have done.

[Jamie Vernon]

Listen, let that go. Stop. Stop covering up for your country's actions.

[Joe Rogan]

So funny. Fared better in the jungle.

[Jamie Vernon]

Box on your head.

[Joe Rogan]

He killed it in the jungle. He was great in South America.

[Shane Gillis]

I was having a great time in the worst hospital. Biggest empire legitimately took a 13 hour buses. I'm rolling with it. Fine. And then I get to England. Like, just make it hard for immigrants.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, it's hilarious. You tell me. They kicked out of Nicaragua.

[Shane Gillis]

Out of Nicaragua?

[Jamie Vernon]

They kicked him out of Nicaragua. They thought he was a press guy.

[Shane Gillis]

Because of you.

[Jamie Vernon]

Because of my relationship to you.

[Joe Rogan]

Nicaragua, please.

[Jamie Vernon]

They looked me up like, what's this? Hogan, now we're rolling.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Now we're.

[Shane Gillis]

They were calling and look at me, Googling me. I'm like, don't put in Joe and Ari. I'm as soon as like, what's this experience saying?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm like, all right, I'll leave.

[Joe Rogan]

Patrice o' Neal's at Nicaragua.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, you son of a. That was a hard G. That was a hard G. That was a hard

[Joe Rogan]

G. That's a great country. He's a great comic.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Hey, Ari, could you hand me one

[Jamie Vernon]

of those every two months free.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm in.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's go. We gotta start.

[Shane Gillis]

We gotta start in the winter, but.

[Jamie Vernon]

All right.

[Joe Rogan]

Your lady's gonna love it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Thursday night, show Ari and friends. We have air conditioning for all your expenses.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

All right, what about this? Okay, what about September 4th?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Kanye in Chicago.

[Shane Gillis]

Wait, that's like two weeks from now, though.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Ah, you're such a.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Jamie Vernon]

That's a month.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Six hour flight, dude. I thought it was nothing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Today's August 12th.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I thought you said it was nothing. You texted.

[Shane Gillis]

It was nothing. Apart. Yeah, okay.

[Jamie Vernon]

Your bag. Apartment with lukewarm water.

[Shane Gillis]

Chicago. I'm in.

[Jamie Vernon]

Did they even let you take showers over there, bro?

[Shane Gillis]

Legit. Honestly, I have had diarrhea for five months from a parasite I got in Brazil. I'm not having a great time.

[Jamie Vernon]

Why don't you take Ivory? Ivermectin.

[Joe Rogan]

How's the blood?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, I mean, it's an anti parasitical.

[Shane Gillis]

Hey, can I tell you this? When I. When I went. When I got whatever covet for the first time, I contacted somebody. I was in Florida. You're like, perfect. They got monoclonal, something like that. And then I was like, I called somebody, I was like, hey. They're like, you should take Ivermectin. And I was like, I already have some. They're like, okay. It comes in fours or eights. And I was like, well, I have sixes. And I was like, they're like, where'd you get 6 milligrams? I was like, my friend. And they're like, what? Where'd you get 6 milligram ones? I'm getting the numbers on. But they were like, I was. My friend. I was like, is his name Joe? And I was like, yeah,

[Jamie Vernon]

I had boxes of it. I bought it from India. I literally bought like a case of Ivermectin.

[Shane Gillis]

You get a billion for two nickels.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude, I still have it. Yeah, you still have boxes of Ivermectin.

[Shane Gillis]

You're like my parents with flower. I was there during COVID and I was like, you guys like, get all these flowers? Like, oh, no, there's a sale like two months ago.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, we just like. The crazy thing is I was right. You guys, studies on it now.

[Joe Rogan]

I was.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wait.

[Shane Gillis]

Ivermectin clear my parasite 100%.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's what it's for.

[Joe Rogan]

India.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's an anti parasitical. I mean, I don't know if it's the one to clear up whatever the you have. What you should get is checked out by a doctor. But meanwhile over there, you have to wait for a year for a doctor.

[Shane Gillis]

It ain't great here either.

[Jamie Vernon]

What are you talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Shane Gillis]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

It's free over there at least.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, I got to get on it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'll send you to my doctor. It'll take you three seconds to get in.

[Shane Gillis]

Do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

What are we talking about?

[Shane Gillis]

Do it then. Don't talk about it. Why don't you tell me?

[Jamie Vernon]

Why don't you just tell me you have parasites. I'll hook you up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Wait, are we curing diarrhea now?

[Jamie Vernon]

I'll cure diarrhea.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Diarrhea for 10 years.

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't get one.

[Shane Gillis]

Log in five.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Diarrhea.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn. Don't get in a hot tub. They don't allow.

[Jamie Vernon]

You need to eat only me meat.

[Shane Gillis]

I could try that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, that gives you nothing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Nothing but diarrhea.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, in the beginning, yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And then after a while, your body, the carnivore diet. Me and Matt, we did it for a month.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, the first couple weeks are disturbed.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was delirious. We'd go on stage. Me and Matt were backstage. I was like, dude, bro, I can't think. Dude, this is. We were both like, dude, I've never been more tired in my life.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, I miss it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I haven't even had diarrhea.

[Joe Rogan]

I miss it.

[Shane Gillis]

Nothing.

[Joe Rogan]

Water oh, no.

[Jamie Vernon]

The only thing that holds me back.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It was the grosses.

[Joe Rogan]

That's bad.

[Jamie Vernon]

The only thing that holds me back from the carnivore diet is the guinea in me. The guinea in me just wants spaghetti and pasta and pizza. Like last time I had a steak and cheese.

[Shane Gillis]

Steak and cheese?

[Jamie Vernon]

What is that? Local company, the. These guys have a food truck in Austin.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Philly cheese.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, the Philly guys. So legit.

[Joe Rogan]

They have a truck.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, Philly cheesesteak truck.

[Shane Gillis]

I've gotten it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So good.

[Jamie Vernon]

So good. It's so good. Their cheesesteaks are so legit.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I think they're Jersey and.

[Jamie Vernon]

What is it, Jamie? What is it?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I don't know.

[Jamie Vernon]

You got to use a microphone, buddy.

[Joe Rogan]

R B's? I don't know.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, I think that actually is it.

[Shane Gillis]

Yes.

[Jamie Vernon]

See if you can find it, because

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I think that's it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I know. I follow them.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is.

[Jamie Vernon]

There it is, bro.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, yeah. I've eaten there.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm telling you, it is so I've eaten.

[Shane Gillis]

Okay. To feel good.

[Jamie Vernon]

Shane can speak on this, because you're a Philly guy, but those dudes, they came to the green room last night. It is phenomenal. Steak and cheese.

[Joe Rogan]

All right. Chris and Boo.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's hard to find one around here

[Jamie Vernon]

that's a good one, but it's phenomenal. Just the right amount of spicy to it. I'm telling you. These guys, they do it right. And they know what they're doing. They know what they're doing, and they're young guys, and they're cool. As they brought it to the green room last night, we all had some. They bring in, like, a case of them to the green room. That's so good.

[Shane Gillis]

In England, you go in there hungry, and you're just like, please be something to the right.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. As a box of burgers.

[Jamie Vernon]

80 hamburger. Another thing to entice. Another thing to entice you. If you are ever at the club and you want something, all you have to do is just ask and they will deliver it. Whatever you want. You want steaks from when you're at

[Shane Gillis]

that club, you feel like Oprah. You just, like, reach out and somebody puts whatever you want in your hand. It's like tissue or tea or anything.

[Joe Rogan]

You get a slider, you get a slider.

[Jamie Vernon]

Whatever you you want, just ask for it, you get it.

[Shane Gillis]

Can I say, at minimum, the best is just pour your own drinks. You're a adult. There's just a bunch of mixers. Go do whatever.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, the drinks at the bar.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, well, we. I. I wanted it so. I wanted us to have.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't want to bar bother a bartender. Just let me. I know it's free. Just.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't want to tip, but there's that affair.

[Shane Gillis]

You got me on that one.

[Jamie Vernon]

But there's that too. If you want a margarita, you can ask for a margarita.

[Joe Rogan]

You want.

[Jamie Vernon]

You can't make whatever you want. If you want a pizza and a margarita, they'll get it to you in 20 minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn.

[Jamie Vernon]

Whatever the you want, whatever you need. There's a pizza place right next door. They'll just get you a pizza. They'll come back, bro.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Somebody give me. It's not the best. It's not the best.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not the best.

[Shane Gillis]

I've legitimately seen homeless people turn down slices from there. It's not even a lie. They go, nah, dude, nah. Yeah, rapidos.

[Jamie Vernon]

I thought about that place.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, bury it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I thought about buying it and putting in like a legit high level pizza place.

[Shane Gillis]

Put in a vomitorium instead. It'll be better for the community.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Sixth street is a fucking vomitorium. Oh, street blows security out there.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, but it's also. It's like I love being in the middle of the shit.

[Joe Rogan]

Aha.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's part of why I like putting that club there.

[Shane Gillis]

It's funny. You're in there first.

[Jamie Vernon]

It helps the rest of the neighborhood. It really does does because it brings in a bunch of people that have a good time. They're spending money. The pizza place is probably killing it because of that. The Mexican joint next door is probably killing it because of the club.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I like getting drunk on 6th Street.

[Jamie Vernon]

The. The. The food trucks are the move. Dude, the food trucks on 6th street are incredible.

[Shane Gillis]

No, 5th and 4th is good. Over by the way Creek.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, on the way to the creek, there's some. There's a burger place that's legit as up. Up there Taco house.

[Shane Gillis]

If you want diarrhea, if you already got a parasite, look no further than taco.

[Jamie Vernon]

So where'd you get a parasite?

[Shane Gillis]

In Brazil, my last day, street meat.

[Jamie Vernon]

Drinking river water.

[Joe Rogan]

Here we got the lettuce. Everybody's saying the lettuce is bad.

[Jamie Vernon]

Here, what are you doing with your fingers?

[Joe Rogan]

You know, whatever. This is the lettuce.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is this the new sign language?

[Joe Rogan]

Every time I open Twitter, it's like, we got a new anal parasite.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, lettuce is not good for you. She need only meat.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I knew it. Fail. I've always known.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's go, let's go. Let us break I was in Italy, and I. I ate so much that I almost died.

[Joe Rogan]

It's better over there. You can eat bread in Italy.

[Jamie Vernon]

You can, but you can only eat

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

so much, and then you push yourself.

[Jamie Vernon]

If you. You push yourself to the glutton with me. With pizza is like Shane with beer. I can get to a strange point where you're like, there's no way a human can really consume that much pizza.

[Joe Rogan]

You're not gonna. A fat chick after they need a rigat. Tony,

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

don't talk about your mom like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, she's in a wheelchair. Goddamn.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's his dad now.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Perfect.

[Jamie Vernon]

This new rule.

[Joe Rogan]

Watch out.

[Shane Gillis]

Perfect.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

She can't run.

[Joe Rogan]

He's Larry Flint. But watch out. That.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What, your mom's in a wheelchair.

[Joe Rogan]

Reason my car.

[Jamie Vernon]

I thought that was a look.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I thought they're too hard.

[Jamie Vernon]

No disrespect for James.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

For real, if she's in a wheelchair.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no. She's got a bum leg.

[Jamie Vernon]

But Gandolfini and I were dealing very different digestive systems.

[Joe Rogan]

She's been dead for 30 years.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, I can consume. I can consume.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That wasn't the girl.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was the coke and the booze.

[Joe Rogan]

17 oysters, 38.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And then did coke.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, is it coke?

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, he did a ton of coke and did coke.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, his list of the menu. His receipt is on the Internet.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I've seen the receipt. It's.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, he did a ton of code.

[Joe Rogan]

It's actually not that crazy. It's like lobster. Lobster claws.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's everything. Everything you want in life. Like, the guy was living the look. I don't think he should have died young because it would have been awesome to see him be alive.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, sure.

[Jamie Vernon]

But that guy did it.

[Shane Gillis]

Joe. When Joe started making money is he had to have an intervention from his business manager to his manager. They're like, dude, you have a gambling addiction. You just got started your career. You can't let gambling get. He's like, I don't gamble five bucks on pool once in a while. Like, dude, clearly we've looked your finances. How are you spending this much? He goes, oh, I eat lobster every day.

[Jamie Vernon]

When I first got my development, I was eating lobster and steak every night, and I was taking my boys out. I was like, let's go treat everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

You're like a rapper.

[Jamie Vernon]

I had $150,000, and I was 25 years old. Like, this is the craziest thing. And I was poor my whole life. Life. And I was like. Sussman was like, yeah, I think you have a Gambling problem. Like what? Because he knew I was playing pool every night. I was like, what?

[Shane Gillis]

No, I'm never spend that much on record stuff.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm living like a baller.

[Joe Rogan]

I think Tim Dillon's like that. He's the. The food and the Jets.

[Jamie Vernon]

But he's rich. I was not really rich. I had $150,000

[Shane Gillis]

first job rich.

[Jamie Vernon]

Barely went to college. It was. I was a daughter dumbass. I was a dumbass with an enormous amount of money for no reason.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. TV.

[Jamie Vernon]

Because I was boy pretty at 25.

[Shane Gillis]

Hardball.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. That was hardball days. And so, like, I just spent. I. I was like, look, if my thought was like, if this goes away, I should make the most out of it. Like portioning it off so I could live. Okay. For 15 years.

[Joe Rogan]

That.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's go.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You were. Did anyone ever try to suck you in Hollywood?

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

You never got one.

[Jamie Vernon]

One comedian, but it was at Montreal. A comedian at Montreal. I literally had to tell him I was going to stomp a hole in his chest.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Big J.

[Jamie Vernon]

He kept touching me, kept touching me and hitting on. He was drunk and kept touching me. And I was like, hey, you touch me one more time on a stomp a hole in your chest.

[Shane Gillis]

No way.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, yeah. It got gross because it was like two in the morning was one of those deals. And it was at the Montreal Comedy Festival. It was a gay comedian who's been like hyper aggressive.

[Joe Rogan]

Is he still. Still working?

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't really remember his last name. No, no, no, no, it wasn't him. But he's. That was a thing with him too. He got beat up by a guy in Hawaii. That guy?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Got beat up by a guy in Hawaiian Dom.

[Joe Rogan]

A rare.

[Jamie Vernon]

Was like, what happened to you? And he's like, oh, some guy beat me up. And he's like, oh, what the. That's terrible. And then he goes. And then I got the whole story. He got a little l. Regular guy did.

[Shane Gillis]

That guy would be in the back when there was a new like 21 year old door guy was on stage. He would just be in the back going. Like.

[Jamie Vernon]

To me, that was like the first time that I ever felt like a. Well, it wasn't. I didn't feel like a woman because I could kill the guy. So there was. But it was also like the thing about like a man being aggressive sexually towards you where you didn't. There was like. There's. You're. No, there's not a chance you're going to convince me, right, that I don't want to go upstairs with you. Like, this is crazy. But it was the aggressiveness of it that I was like, ooh, this has got to be awful.

[Joe Rogan]

So weird for a. Because a gay guy can just go get laid so easily.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not in Canada. I mean, this is in the 90s in Canada.

[Shane Gillis]

But they want what they want.

[Joe Rogan]

They got gay bars.

[Shane Gillis]

Some guy tried to jerk me off in the back of a bus in Vietnam.

[Jamie Vernon]

Tried. How far did he get?

[Joe Rogan]

He got.

[Shane Gillis]

He touched my dick and swear I was like, dude.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, actually, under the pants.

[Shane Gillis]

Over the pants.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh. I had a guy. I had a guy give me a stroke and I. Party boy bus once.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

In high school, I was getting blown by a girl on a party bus, and a guy gave me, like, a full hand.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wait a minute. How did he get the girl's face away from your.

[Joe Rogan]

He said something. She went, huh? And then he grabbed my dick over there.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Repeat this story.

[Joe Rogan]

I was on a party bus in. In high school. Remember those party buses? And we put all our money together. We rented a party bus.

[Jamie Vernon]

Can I borrow your sunglasses?

[Joe Rogan]

By a lady in the back of the. The bus. Like Rosa Parks. And this. He said something, and she popped her head up. And he gave me his full stroke. Wow. And I was like. And I pushed him. And then was like, that was weird. And then she went back.

[Shane Gillis]

He was like, I don't care. I got this.

[Joe Rogan]

It was a goof. It was a goof.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Very funny. Goof.

[Joe Rogan]

What if.

[Jamie Vernon]

What if he. What if you popped

[Shane Gillis]

your heart and I touched you?

[Jamie Vernon]

What if she was. What if she was blowing you when you were on the edge and this guy gave you a stroke and you were like. Like a broken fire hydra.

[Joe Rogan]

Just the late 90s.

[Jamie Vernon]

The windows.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a different time. That was normal back then. Gay humor was fun. He's a Marine now, that guy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Obviously.

[Jamie Vernon]

You sure he's not in the Navy?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Boy, I remember those broke days. One time I did a club. You ever do the Funny Farm in Youngstown, Ohio?

[Shane Gillis]

I did not.

[Joe Rogan]

It was. I did.

[Jamie Vernon]

Youngstown, was it the place that was connected to a club?

[Joe Rogan]

He was, yes. And the hotel was.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was connected. I did do it. The hotel's connected to a. The club is connected. The comedy club is connected to, like, a nightclub. And then the late show, the music

[Joe Rogan]

plays, and that was it. That was it.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's impossible. You're on stage.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's like, what does this have to do with the guy's jacket?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's get back to the real. Talk about the clubs pay scale.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Let's not talk about shitty clubs. Let's talk about you getting stroked by guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, all right. Well, yeah, the guy jerked me out

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

the only other time.

[Jamie Vernon]

All the way.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, just one. One pump.

[Jamie Vernon]

The same guy, same story.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I'm going back.

[Jamie Vernon]

If it keeps happening, you got to

[Shane Gillis]

go, hey, yeah, this is habitual.

[Jamie Vernon]

One stroke. It keeps coming up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Keep getting stroked.

[Joe Rogan]

But, yeah, the funny farm, One of my first headlining gigs, you know, it was three people in the audience, but the guy goes. The owner goes, hey, you want to. You want a meal? I was like, oh, my God, I want a meal course. And he goes, get the swordfish. It's amazing. You got to get the swordfish. I was like, oh, my God.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Swordfish in young. Truck for a month.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. That's crazy. But, you know, when you're broken, it's, like, exotic. You're like, oh, my God, I gotta have this. And I was like, okay, thanks. And he goes, there's a great wine. It pairs well with the sorfit because it was attached to a club kind of restaurant thing. So I was like, oh, all right. And he. I drank, like, you know, bottle and a half of wine, swordfish, couple beers, and he gave me the bill. Oh, and I didn't know he was charging. No way. I was getting paid, like, 400 for the weekend. The bill was like, 380. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, what?

[Joe Rogan]

Those were the days.

[Jamie Vernon]

So why did you think it was free?

[Joe Rogan]

Because the owner is going, hey, get this. He was upselling me on. Oh.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Got.

[Jamie Vernon]

So he just didn't want to pay.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I bet that was a can.

[Jamie Vernon]

He didn't want to pay you because he's not even giving you a discounted rate for the meals.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no. Half off. No.

[Jamie Vernon]

You were performing that night. That's crazy.

[Shane Gillis]

The whole weekend, Diaz. I was going to the jack.

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, what the man? You. I didn't know it was. I thought it was free. And he's like, free? It's swordfish. How did it play out?

[Jamie Vernon]

How did it play out?

[Joe Rogan]

I had to pay the guy, and then he, you know, gave me a check for 400 bucks at the day end the of the weekend. But the swordfish was like, 300 bucks,

[Jamie Vernon]

and the whole weekend was 400 bucks.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wow. Dark time scumbag.

[Shane Gillis]

So many scummy owners.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, everybody's got those stories where they. What's that one story? I think I guess a Joe list story where he tried to get paid and the guy just put a gun on the table. And he's like, all right, I'll see you later.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, I had a guy who I

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

worked for, same thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Who didn't pay me. And then when he did pay me, he was a mob guy. And when he did pay me, he paid me quite a bit less. And I said, what the. I said, this is not what I was supposed to get. He goes, should be kind of happy with what you're getting. And I was like, all right, we're done.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

All right.

[Jamie Vernon]

I took the money. I was like, all right, guess I'm never working here again. And he calls me up, try to get me to work at the club. I go, the last time you. Me, you told me I would have

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

worked there again in a second.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I did Funny Farm last week.

[Jamie Vernon]

The same guy. The same guy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's going to.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was in New Haven, Connecticut.

[Shane Gillis]

He's tax free.

[Jamie Vernon]

The same guy I saw. I saw him beat a guy with his shit shoe. He pulled his shoe off and, you know, like, those slippery, like, nice dress shoes. Yeah. So it's got the leather with the wood, the wooden heel. He's beating the guy in the face with his shoe. There's blood all over his shirt. It was crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Shojitsu. That's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

So this guy.

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, okay, was that Joker's Wild? Yep, I know that club. Yeah, that was very Mob run. I know that one, too. I got the sword.

[Jamie Vernon]

New Haven's a wild place. New Haven, Connecticut, is a wild.

[Joe Rogan]

Good pizza.

[Jamie Vernon]

A lot of Italians. A lot of Italians. Some of the best pizza on earth. Pepe's like, Dave Portnoy when he talks about pizza, he, like, talks about New Haven style pizza.

[Joe Rogan]

Sally's or.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, there's too many.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Pepes is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

One of my best friends.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Another one.

[Jamie Vernon]

One of my best friends, Tommy Jr. He's from,

[Shane Gillis]

like, they.

[Joe Rogan]

You.

[Shane Gillis]

You're just like, I'll take it. And I'm just not gonna work.

[Joe Rogan]

What are you gonna do?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, well, that's what I did with that guy. I never worked there again. He tried to get me to work there again, like. And then he tried to get. Get me to work there after I'd been on news radio. My, like, bro, it's over.

[Joe Rogan]

And you want to go, hey, I'm half a walk over here.

[Jamie Vernon]

Didn't pay me. He didn't pay me. Yeah, that's crazy. And also, you beat a guy with a shoe.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the scenario there?

[Jamie Vernon]

I don't remember. I think the guy was heckling and he was drunk, and. And that's Awesome. I don't say his name. This dude just pulled his shoe off, and he's beating this guy in the face with the heel of his shoe. I was. I remember thinking. I never would have thought. Thought of that. But I never wear shoes like that. I wear shoes that, like, lace up. But he just. He slipped that thing right off his foot and use it as a weapon.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, the heel on there.

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Rock hard.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, it's a piece of wood.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, he beat the guy's nose. He beat him on the nose with the heel. Yeah. Just grab the tip of the toe and just whack.

[Shane Gillis]

Whack.

[Jamie Vernon]

And blood was everywhere. It was spraying up. His shirt was white and was a splatter blood.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was like, oh, no. To laugh.

[Jamie Vernon]

And then he had to run from the cops.

[Shane Gillis]

Sorry.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I got kicked out for laughing too loud.

[Joe Rogan]

I was helping.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was laughing too.

[Joe Rogan]

What's the Chappelle thing?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I think it was the same thing. Oh, yeah. Like, literally, he came into the guy's office, and he was, like, young and, like, where the. My money, man. And they put a gun on the table. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

We'll figure it out, right?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, I guess we will.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, that's Richard Prior in one of his specials.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I mean, it must happen.

[Jamie Vernon]

It happens. It happened to me. It happens. Like, he. Me.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I think I wasn't even noticed if I got.

[Jamie Vernon]

But I knew how much I was supposed to. It wasn't a lot of money.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I wasn't maybe 300 bucks.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right, right, bro, I was nobody back then. Also, it was, like, one of the worst clubs to work in terms of like. Like, crowd control. There was zero. Zero. Everybody was nuts.

[Shane Gillis]

What about. What about that Chinese place in. In Massachusetts?

[Jamie Vernon]

You remember that place?

[Shane Gillis]

People just go. They were eating. They're wrapping up their food. While you're on, somebody comes on stage and, like, takes a selfie with you.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, it wasn't the cow. It was the place in western Massachusetts, right?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, it was the place, like, way out in the middle of nowhere. We only did one show there.

[Shane Gillis]

They would just come on stage and be like, we're getting a selfie.

[Jamie Vernon]

And you're like, I think it's a blooming right place. There's a blooming right kick ways again, too.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Don't leave. We're all just gone.

[Jamie Vernon]

Me and Norman are hanging straight, strong.

[Joe Rogan]

Hell, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

What are you talking about, bro? I have two beers. How dare you?

[Joe Rogan]

This is my second one. Had a beer.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You had two cups.

[Jamie Vernon]

I had two beers.

[Shane Gillis]

And part of a meeting Instead of glass.

[Joe Rogan]

That nicotine knocked me down for a minute.

[Jamie Vernon]

They'll get.

[Shane Gillis]

You said the C C on that one.

[Joe Rogan]

Huh?

[Shane Gillis]

You said the C on that one instead of the G. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Cut that.

[Jamie Vernon]

I was in the green room of a place where once. In the office. Rather a place once. And we were getting paid. It was me and this kid. His name was. Forget his last name, but he was. His name was Brian. He was a big, big guy, like a huge guy. And he was blonde. And you never think he was Jewish. He didn't look Jewish. And the. The owner of the club said something like to the. In the. In the. Like, I don't want to. Like, I'm not trying to Jew you down.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And he went crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

He lost it.

[Jamie Vernon]

He went crazy and started screaming at this guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're anti traumatic. Because he didn't realize this guy was Jewish because Brian Frazier.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Jamie Vernon]

And he was like. He was jacked, like, way bigger than me. And I was like, oh, my God, like, what am I gonna do here? Like, I don't want my friend to kill this guy.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And also not much I can do.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Trying to get paid here, buddy.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's trying to get paid. And like, it was just an expression that people would use.

[Shane Gillis]

Like, I know what it's from, but they don't mean it like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we use that all the time.

[Shane Gillis]

Just the term it.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, it's like gyp.

[Shane Gillis]

You don't think of gypsies when you say it. That's a root word. You're like, that's fine. I didn't realize that.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's weird with this, like, certain nationalities, we could completely make fun of them, and it's no. No issue at all.

[Shane Gillis]

Uhhuh.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, stop being a guinea. Like, no one cares.

[Shane Gillis]

What is that?

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, wearing gold chains. Look at. You look like a Guinea. Like, wearing gold chains.

[Shane Gillis]

Take off as a. As a.

[Joe Rogan]

And they were lynched.

[Jamie Vernon]

Grandfather's Day did. My grandfather told me horror stories, him being an immigrant from Italy and what he had to deal with going to school here in America and in New Jersey and how different times.

[Shane Gillis]

It's crazy to think of anti Polish, anti Irish whites.

[Joe Rogan]

So everyone has to be Anglo, I guess, from England. Like, what. What is the criteria to not get beat up?

[Jamie Vernon]

It was the. It was. The thing was, like, people that were coming from these Latin countries, people that are coming from Mexico, coming from Puerto Rico.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Rico.

[Jamie Vernon]

People that are coming from Italy. You know, the countries that were initially Latin countries. Brown people.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

And Italians were thought of as brown people.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but Irish aren't brown. It was Irish.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, but they were, like, poor, and then they were lower class. There were the people that were, like, working in factories and working.

[Shane Gillis]

That as your racism. Whites on whites, Whites on whites.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wow. A lot of Irish people were slaves.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hey, right. Talk to it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That level of drinking.

[Joe Rogan]

You want to tell. You want to tell.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We were usually a couple more beers.

[Jamie Vernon]

We was kings.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you want to tell white people back then, like, it's gonna get worse. Like, if you're mad at this Irish guy, buckle up. One day.

[Shane Gillis]

One day they're not even gonna read your scripts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You're gonna hear like a coming soon. Well, I'm just saying, man. I'm watching. I don't know what it is. Once I had a kid, I got way into history. I don't know why. Well, I'm watching all these presidential documents.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

On Netflix. Unbelievable.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. President's rule.

[Joe Rogan]

By the way, Ulysses S. Grant.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Grant's my guy.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm in love with this guy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's my guy.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the. Well, you know, he went to West Point.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I think I've said this on. I talk about Grant.

[Jamie Vernon]

Give me some music, Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

I love Grant.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Grant rules.

[Shane Gillis]

What do you say about.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'll talk about Grant all day.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, one cool thing was, you know, during the. The war, he was a big general, and they would go, hey, what is this song? I was in the middle of the story here.

[Jamie Vernon]

Can't say it didn't surprise me. Let's. We gotta give him some music first.

[Joe Rogan]

All right. So Grant was that, like, big general.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Every time I hear somebody else talking about Grant, I get jealous and mad.

[Joe Rogan]

He went to West Point. He went to college with a bunch of other guys who all got put into the war. And a lot of them, a lot of were Confederate. So they'd be like, we gotta go beat up. We gotta go kill a bunch of people at this fort in Georgia. And he's like, who's the. Who's the head guy over there? And they'd go, whatever, Sherman. And he'd go, I went to school that guy. He's a. He's a. We could take him. So he knew everybody. So he'd be like, oh, I. I played ball with that guy. He's a. We can go. He can kill him.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yes.

[Shane Gillis]

He's got no crossover.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, he knew everybody.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's exactly what happened to Mark. You're exactly right. That rocks.

[Joe Rogan]

Amazing.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's like, my favorite thing about Grant. I mean, you want to Know some other cool things about Grant. We could talk Grant all day.

[Joe Rogan]

He was. He was kind of a loser for a while.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He was a loser.

[Joe Rogan]

He was. Tried every farm, all this.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Well, the big thing for him was after West Point, he went and fought in Mexico.

[Joe Rogan]

Mexican War.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yes. Cavalrymen. And he fought under Robert E. Lee alongside in Mexico. And he saw against the Mexicans and the Spanish.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, America gets messed up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But he, he found out that he remembers seeing Robert E. Lee being like nervous service before battle, which. He's going to keep that with him the rest of his life. But after the war, he gets sent out west and because there's no war, there's. It's just. They're just. He's just at a post. He misses his babe.

[Shane Gillis]

He.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He succumbs to the. The demon rum. He's drinking.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He gets kicked out of the. He gets kicked out of the army for being a drunk. Goes home, frees his slave while he has zero dollars. He married into slaves. His family, he came from abolitionist parents, but he married into a. His. His wife, her family had slaves. When he gets home.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow, you left out a part. He was free of the slaves and he would bring him down to the courthouse and they go, dude, you can get like 2, 000 bucks for this guy. He was like, no, no, no, let him go.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was getting to it.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, sorry.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Then he frees the slaves. This is like the worst.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is worth like a house.

[Joe Rogan]

One of these. What are you doing? Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And then, then he works. He works at his dad's general store, his father in law's general store. He's working as a clerk.

[Joe Rogan]

And the dad hate general store. He's like, this guy's a bum.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

When the war breaks out. He is a clerk. He's working a register at a store when the war breaks out. By the end of the war, he's. He's controlling the entire Union army within four years.

[Joe Rogan]

Then becomes president.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's working the register at a grocery.

[Shane Gillis]

This is like a St. Louis Cardinals quarterback story.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It really is the fucking man.

[Joe Rogan]

And he was great on a horse. So he took the world by storm because he went out in the middle of the battlefield and did the thing where he goes on the side of the horse.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That was in Mexico. He definitely didn't do that in the Civil War.

[Joe Rogan]

He went on the side of the horse so they couldn't shoot him. And then he popped up and killed a bunch of people. I mean, the guy was a complete badass.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's the man.

[Joe Rogan]

And then Just think of all those young guys who volunteered. You got to think of these old wars. They don't just have to fight. They have to go to a place.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I went to Fort Sumter on Saturday. No way I was standing there.

[Joe Rogan]

No way. That's crazy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Civil war.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

Do you know how bored people must have been back then? They were like, just put me in war.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Well, there was that, but there's always that. That's literally every war.

[Jamie Vernon]

Every war.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Every single guy. Not all of them now, but like. Like, it's always been, like, it's gonna be adventure, like, in all quiet on the Western Front.

[Jamie Vernon]

And it was something that they looked forward to, like, romantically, because the way their grandparents talked about and their fathers talked about when people talked about war back then, it was a responsibility, a duty.

[Joe Rogan]

Totally. Man.

[Jamie Vernon]

A man stood up for his country. And also, the country was so young.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, you're really fighting for something.

[Jamie Vernon]

But she was a hundred years old.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of guys would deserve not

[Jamie Vernon]

even a hundred years old, right? It's 1776. Yeah, it's 100 years old, but they were so recent.

[Joe Rogan]

FDR had, what, four sons. They all went to war. So he's like, ah, shit, I'm starting a war with Germany. I got to. I got to put my money where my mouth is. You're sending your troops. I'll send my four sons to war.

[Shane Gillis]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

And then, you know, some died.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Jesus Stalin. Stalin did that. Stalin had a.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's a psycho.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He had a policy of like.

[Jamie Vernon]

Did you made me read that book on Stalin?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Worst book ever.

[Jamie Vernon]

I started reading it. I got maybe a chapter in.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's the worst book of all time.

[Jamie Vernon]

I can't do it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's worst. Annie Jacobson. It's the worst book of all. It's called Bloodlands. It's about the Eastern Front. It's the worst.

[Shane Gillis]

Against the Nazis.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's the Nazis and the Soviets and what happened to, like, Belarus and Ukraine and O. Madon, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

They starved people.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Ukraine was the. The helmador was one of the worst things that's ever. Never happen. So communism's the gayest ever. Somebody needs to look into how gay. Communism.

[Jamie Vernon]

But isn't it crazy that it's making a comeback? Yeah, it always does. It's a cycle. There's a cycle. Is.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Is. If we cannot call it communism if we get free health care.

[Shane Gillis]

Right.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That would be a good move.

[Joe Rogan]

That would help a lot.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We're calling everybody Communist, Socialist, Communists. Free health care is cool. Yeah, we should have that.

[Joe Rogan]

It's normal. Normal.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's not communism.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You should treat the entire country like it's a community. If you have a community, would you want the sickest person to die who could be very valuable if you could like take care of them and do you have the resources to take care? Of course you should. We're a rich country.

[Shane Gillis]

Exactly. With libraries. It's a big deal.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is the problem. We don't feel like a community with, with cat. This is the reason why people turn on all these billionaires. They turn on them because they. Why do you have so much when people have so, so little? But it's because it's the game. It's the game that they're playing. And you're playing the game too. You're just not playing it at that level.

[Joe Rogan]

But again, these rich people pay a lot and give a lot of services.

[Jamie Vernon]

But yeah, there's that. But also the services, the amount of money that they get is all going to corrupt people that are funneling into their own bank accounts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's the problem with running through Ireland. Non profits and NGOs. And you know, you find out that the homeless people that are running the non profit that in la, like somebody just sent me like, here, I'll send it to you, Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

I gotta get that Marshall Rogan coin.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's so crazy when you look at the amount of money that is being paid to the people that run the homeless divisions, it's like, it's bananas, like it's crazy. It's insane amounts of money.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. We're in a tough spot.

[Jamie Vernon]

The hobo, the CEO of the homeless thing in LA made $1.6 million in the last two years.

[Shane Gillis]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

And the president makes 200 grand.

[Jamie Vernon]

And you're doing a bad job. And you're also doing a bad job.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're also not. There's no way someone could justify you getting a raise. There's no way someone could justify you getting that salary when you're objectively failing.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but then you want to. People want higher minimum wage and stuff. But I'm like, that's not going to do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, higher minimum wage is not the worst thing in the world.

[Joe Rogan]

No, I'm not against. I'm just saying that's going to solve everything.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, it won't solve.

[Joe Rogan]

Everything's going to come to a rush.

[Jamie Vernon]

It won't solve everything. But if, if you knew if you were a person that had a lot of money and you knew that if you paid more taxes it was going to go to make everybody feel. Feel better. The world would be better. The education would be better. People would have food. You would have free health care, schools that have nutritious meals. LA shelter provider has paid CEO who lives in Hawaii, $1.6 million in salary and vacation over two years. That's bananas.

[Joe Rogan]

Two years.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's. That is literally insane. So that's a slush fund. That's not. That's not someone doing it because they care. That's someone doing it because it's very profitable, and it's a slush fun. And this is why they tried so hard to keep Spencer Pratt from being the mayor of la, because he wanted to expose all that, you know, and they mock him and make fun of him. And I did, too. Until you talk to him. You're like, oh, he's actually a very smart guy, and he's really well read in this stuff. He really understands.

[Shane Gillis]

Try to write him off. White guy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, also reality star. Also you. Oh, he's a grifter. But actually, they're all grifters. Everyone. That person's a grifter. They're all grifters. Everyone's. Man. Making a shitload of money pretending that they care and not doing any good. No one is fixing anything. The thing just keeps getting worse.

[Joe Rogan]

It is getting worse. Everything's getting worse.

[Jamie Vernon]

They spent $24 billion on the homeless problem in California, and it only got worse. And then when they tried to do an audit, Newsom vetoed it. He wouldn't let them do an audit

[Shane Gillis]

because everyone's taking their piece.

[Jamie Vernon]

Everyone's getting back.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So Grant. Grant gets a hold of the army in the west, and he's Starts making some noise out there. Lincoln's going, I got a bunch of these generals out East. They're. They're scared. They're all scared of Robert E. Lee. I got McClellan. McClellan's a bum.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a bum.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's afraid to move forward.

[Joe Rogan]

Robert E. Lee was a good general.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Unbelievable.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay, I'm from the South.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We'll fast forward. Eventually they go, this guy. This guy's been going nuts out on the West. Let's bring him in. And then he immediately is like, I remember Robert E. Lee. He was just as scared as I am. I'm not afraid of him. Everybody in the north was afraid of Robert E. Lee. They're like, this guy's a genius. We. He's gonna us up. Grant was the one guy that was like, he's just as afraid as. As I am. Also, we got more guys we can Turn this into a war of attrition real quick. Let's see who loses more guys quickly or quicker. And he just. He attacks. It's wonderful.

[Joe Rogan]

It's unbelievable.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Then General Sherman, his boy. So they're boys. Sherman and Grant are boys. And Sherman has a nice quote. He was like, I helped out Grant when he was drunk. Grant helped me when I was crazy. We're boys forever. Sherman's like, bro, let me get an army. Let me just march south and just. Them up. So these were the only two guys also that treated the south like these are traitors.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Like, they always. Like the guides, like McClellan. All these other guys, guys, they were like, these are gentlemen. Robert E. Lee's a gentleman. All this. Sherman and Grant were like, yo, these guys, they're traders. They should be hung right for what they're doing. Dude, they're going against America, United States.

[Jamie Vernon]

Could you imagine if Robert E. Lee won?

[Joe Rogan]

It wasn't that far off.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It was. We let him. We. We had. The north had kid gloves on.

[Joe Rogan]

You think? I mean, they lost a lot of guys, too.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We lost a lot of. We lost more than them. But even Shelby Foote, who's a famed Southern historian, was like, the north was fighting with one arm.

[Jamie Vernon]

What's that, Jamie?

[Joe Rogan]

Really badass sword. Is that at Hinchcliffe's house sword when he took over the Federal army in 1864. It's been sold at auction, though, recently. Crazy. Four grand.

[Jamie Vernon]

How much?

[Joe Rogan]

The last time it sold, it was.

[Jamie Vernon]

Was 5 million worth.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That 4 grand, cheap.

[Joe Rogan]

It was not that much.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, I got. I have Sherman's map. When he marched.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Through South Carolina with his pencil mark.

[Jamie Vernon]

How'd you get it?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Francis Ellis gave me it.

[Jamie Vernon]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Try showing a lady that who comes over.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

She's like, I do.

[Jamie Vernon]

I go, that was only 1.6 million.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Are you going to kill me? And I go, here's my O.J. simpson rushing trophy. He's definitely gonna kill me.

[Jamie Vernon]

That was only one. Jamie has O.J. simpson's golf clubs.

[Joe Rogan]

What?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Well, me and Jamie were in the same auction. I got his rushing trophy. I got all of his ties.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jamie got the golf club.

[Joe Rogan]

Kim Kardashian is in the same option, too.

[Jamie Vernon]

What was she trying to get?

[Joe Rogan]

She bought Diary.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Me and her were bidding against each other. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Were you really?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yes. And then I ended up winning a bunch of them. I was. I had a couple drinks. I was. I didn't think I was going to win all these. I won so many. Many. I have a. I have an autograph picture of Bill Clinton and O.J. from Bill Clinton. That's like. To my dear friend O.J.

[Joe Rogan]

what?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And it was extremely expensive. And anytime somebody comes to my house, I go, check this out. And they go, cool. I go.

[Jamie Vernon]

I get a photo with Jazzed Up. I get hard as a rock. Look at that. There it is.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's the one I got.

[Jamie Vernon]

My dear friend.

[Joe Rogan]

That's fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

My dear friend Simpson. He's a big, tall, handsome man from sf, bro. It's funny watching his old political speech.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Legends.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. Police Academy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Nordberg.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, he's great.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hertz commercials.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He was in Police Academy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Naked Gun.

[Shane Gillis]

Naked Gun. Yeah. That's what I meant.

[Jamie Vernon]

Same thing.

[Shane Gillis]

All right. Spin off.

[Jamie Vernon]

Same.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Sorry. Yeah. I wasn't sure if he was in both. I wasn't being a no.

[Joe Rogan]

Could you make a movie like that today? Today?

[Shane Gillis]

Make a gun?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, could, but you'd have to finance it independently.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. Well, they remake.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. The answer is, could you make a

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

movie like, you can make any movie today.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, good. Because I'm making.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, you know, as. But as much as anybody.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

All they're asking for is that me

[Joe Rogan]

and Samil wrote when we're shooting in October.

[Shane Gillis]

Nice.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What is it everybody wants?

[Joe Rogan]

It's just a raunchy 80s style comedy. Nice. Yeah, we're shooting. We got financing. I can't believe some guy's giving us money.

[Jamie Vernon]

Theo and David Spade just did one.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I heard that was hilarious. I heard it was hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's nice. It's nice that people are doing like that.

[Joe Rogan]

You can try. Well, yeah. The gatekeepers.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, tires. Comes out.

[Joe Rogan]

We're doing season three.

[Jamie Vernon]

Season three.

[Shane Gillis]

Tires.

[Jamie Vernon]

How much does that. How much does that consume of you? Like, to. To.

[Joe Rogan]

Good question.

[Jamie Vernon]

What did I miss? What did I miss? How difficult is it to. I mean, it seems to like in a big three months.

[Joe Rogan]

Is quick.

[Shane Gillis]

Gilly takes on a lot of it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Kes. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right, right, right.

[Shane Gillis]

Sorry. I'm a little drunk. I'm a little drunk.

[Joe Rogan]

He's getting hit.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, the rest of the guys, I mean, I. I help write, but I can do that from afar. McIver writes a lot of it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So he's a talent.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Just write it. I'll show up.

[Shane Gillis]

And he's the trainer.

[Jamie Vernon]

So awesome. And it seems like Netflix has very little to say. You just kind of do it and give. For sure.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They've never changed anything.

[Jamie Vernon]

Sandos is so cool. He's such a good dude. I've known that guy forever. Yeah. I did a Netflix special for them in 2005 when it was still like, five.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, five was a disc.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, it was discs. I was like, I might have been the first. I might have been the first Netflix special. Jamie Phoenix didn't show that. I think you were there. We did that show at the Improv in Tempe. Yeah, we did it at the Improv. We filmed it.

[Joe Rogan]

Good club.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

This is just. This is just a real conversation. That means congratulations. All right, thanks.

[Joe Rogan]

Did. Did, Did.

[Jamie Vernon]

Did you go down on her?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, a little.

[Joe Rogan]

Not. Yeah, it's.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like bare minimum is 15 minutes. Planning for potentially 45.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

45 minutes. Who told you that?

[Jamie Vernon]

I read it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You have a book about how to eat? Yeah, bro. Every day you say that makes me like, I. You're giving me a headache. That's.

[Jamie Vernon]

Try not to laugh.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He. He. Gervin had a book about how to eat.

[Joe Rogan]

Where'd he get. Oh, that's real.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, that's all.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Immediately into the script.

[Joe Rogan]

Who wrote Whoa. Can I get that book?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I forget. No offense. I'm not being anti. Obviously a Jewish person, but, yeah, we're writers. You guys love. No, but you guys also love sexuality.

[Shane Gillis]

But yeah, Nothing wrong. Good at it. Black people take notes.

[Jamie Vernon]

DJ Khaled and another one.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But Gerby has a book on how to eat, and he talks about a lot, and it bothers me immensely.

[Joe Rogan]

Where do you get the book? There's no way. Oh, my God.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's called how to Eat Pussy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Hold on. I do actually know the name of the book. It's called she Comes First.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, no, I've heard that. I've heard of that book.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Of course you have.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like everybody poops

[Shane Gillis]

right next to children.

[Joe Rogan]

How do you.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jesus.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

She Comes First.

[Joe Rogan]

There it is.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is. Oh, is that a papaya?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Kerner Ger. 250,000 copies.

[Joe Rogan]

Bestseller. That's not great.

[Jamie Vernon]

Amazing insect instruction. Number one bestseller in. This pisses me off the genre.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It bothers me. And he's like, well, yeah, I do that. And then I bring her home and I go. And then sometimes you just tickle the front at first, like, dude, disgusting. You have a playbook on this.

[Joe Rogan]

You. So he is that guy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

None of never acting.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's totally the most.

[Shane Gillis]

Is the most funny one.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

She's such trash.

[Shane Gillis]

Hilarious.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

She does so well this season.

[Shane Gillis]

Really?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Rules.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm excited for people to see that.

[Joe Rogan]

Fun. You got soda in there?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Soda's in it this year.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is Ron White in it?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Ron White's not in it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not this season.

[Joe Rogan]

What happened?

[Shane Gillis]

Bobby Lee.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He just had one episode. Bobby Lee's in it this season. Foley stuff Job fully killed Foley.

[Joe Rogan]

Foley's amazing.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Foley is so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

He's a funny.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's like the best guy ever.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's a good hang.

[Shane Gillis]

Rules.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He is the best hang.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got stories, but we can't get into it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We can get into something. Look, me and him have already talked about this on a podcast. It's like my favorite Foley story. Cuz in Philly, he was a demon.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, like.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Like a real demon. Yeah, him and Chris Scott would fight. We'd go to the Raven Lounge. They would fist fight.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Every. Dude, they. It was crazy. Every. Yes. Everyone was on coke the second somebody got on stage. Two guys in the back. Two fat guys in the back. Like, hey, shut the up, you. But Foley had a thing. He was telling me the story about it. He brought home a hooker and he was. He was.

[Joe Rogan]

This is all cool to talk about. I don't want to get the guy in trouble.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We've talked about it before on air.

[Shane Gillis]

Foley has a podcast called Are you garbage?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He knows what he was. He said he was bouncing. He was on coke. Bouncing on a yoga ball. He's like 400 pounds.

[Joe Rogan]

Poor yoga ball.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

According to his story, which is my favorite version is he was smoking a cigarette. He's got a hooker in there, like standing in front of him, like dancing in an empty room. He's on a yoga ball. And the cherry from the cigarette fell and popped the yoga ball.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was like.

[Joe Rogan]

Might have been fun.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was like, brother, that was you. But I love the experience. Like the idea of him 400 pounds, guy, like, baby, I like that

[Shane Gillis]

fat

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

guy on his back.

[Joe Rogan]

That stripper got a good laugh. Or hooker. Sorry.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He is fully.

[Shane Gillis]

He's a treasure. He's a national treasure.

[Joe Rogan]

That's all right.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's bring this home.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We're just. 4:30. What do you want to do? You got a 7:00 clock show.

[Jamie Vernon]

I got a pee.

[Shane Gillis]

Go pee.

[Jamie Vernon]

All right, I'll be back. Let's keep it going.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

A bottle. Yeah, I'm drunk enough. Could you hand me a beer?

[Joe Rogan]

I beat Rogan on the whiz.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We're doing well.

[Joe Rogan]

Jamie, delete. The first hour was worthless.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Jamie, bring up Jeremiah Love Touchdown's highlights and just play in the back. We'll talk about other.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good whiskey there, Bodega cat.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I love bodega cat.

[Joe Rogan]

Get a bottle. I had a bottle.

[Shane Gillis]

I stole one from your studio last time. We might be drunk.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I just like grab whatever I could.

[Shane Gillis]

I was like, I'm just in New York for a month. I don't want to buy a bottle of liquor.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't give this guy an apartment in London. He'll steal from you.

[Shane Gillis]

They're doing it. They're not giving me one.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I love. I love you calling yourself an immigrant.

[Shane Gillis]

So fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

So fun, bro.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It pisses me off every time you do it.

[Shane Gillis]

It's so fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Technically, it's true.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's why he's doing it.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

There's no immigration problem in London. They're all. Actually, it's very difficult to get a

[Jamie Vernon]

house as an immigrant.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. Shut up.

[Shane Gillis]

I love it. You also tell them like, you know soccer. The term came from you guys association. And they go, it's football. Like that's not according to you though.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's fun.

[Shane Gillis]

I love calling them on their. It's so fun.

[Joe Rogan]

Those soccer games are amazing, isn't it?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Also, by the way, college football destroys soccer.

[Shane Gillis]

What?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Let's just watch my guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

Look at the.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Look at the Catholic royalty in the uniform, bro.

[Shane Gillis]

Look up cane highlights.

[Joe Rogan]

That is a white outfit.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I've seen Harry Kane. I've seen all of his ass.

[Joe Rogan]

Harry Kane is good.

[Shane Gillis]

Harry Kane, he spits when he talks.

[Joe Rogan]

And Bellingham, he's a sexy, sexy black.

[Shane Gillis]

Just lost Jed.

[Joe Rogan]

Huh?

[Shane Gillis]

It gave up Spence.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know what that means.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

This is wonderful stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

There you go.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Watch this one. You guys are to like this.

[Shane Gillis]

They didn't show.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You're going to like it.

[Shane Gillis]

This Barry Sanders.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Not down. Not down.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. I've never seen that move.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Not down.

[Joe Rogan]

He did a full Foley yoga ball on that guy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You're going to like this.

[Shane Gillis]

45 after.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's good, Jamie.

[Joe Rogan]

So wait, you were shooting arrows?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You were shooting arrows Just two hours. Yeah. Today.

[Joe Rogan]

Shooting migrants.

[Shane Gillis]

Your arm get worn out over.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, I was playing mlb. The show.

[Jamie Vernon]

I do it constantly. I'm used to doing it.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? How's. How's the bullseye?

[Jamie Vernon]

It's great.

[Shane Gillis]

You stuff your kills.

[Jamie Vernon]

What's that?

[Shane Gillis]

Stuff your kills.

[Jamie Vernon]

Stuff them. No, no. I turn them into Euro mounts. It's just the skull and the antler.

[Shane Gillis]

Nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Now let me ask you. If you hit a guy with an arrow, how many. How would it kill him? Yes.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

100%. I don't think kills a 700 pound buck. We can find out, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Kill an elk.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you got a high powered crazy ass. I'm talking about a bow and a bow and arrow.

[Shane Gillis]

Kill A guy that's like killed every Belgian immigrant.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh my God.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is a crazy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's how most people die.

[Shane Gillis]

They were weapons.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, have you seen the Odyssey? The guy gets hit with 18 arrows and he's walking away.

[Shane Gillis]

I know.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's a movie.

[Joe Rogan]

That movie. That part. I like the movie, but that part bothered me.

[Jamie Vernon]

Greeks.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, good point, Joe. Good boy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Were.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

100 could kill a person.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You know what I just watched? You know I just watched last night was the Northman. Oh, I saw it in theaters and didn't like it when I saw it the first time.

[Jamie Vernon]

What?

[Shane Gillis]

I don't know what.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

This is fun.

[Joe Rogan]

It's all.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I re watched it last night. It's so sick.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's so.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a good time.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's one of the same, man. It's awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Robert Eggers is the man.

[Shane Gillis]

Director.

[Jamie Vernon]

Director. He did Nosferat.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Did he do the.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yes.

[Shane Gillis]

The Rich is really good.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's gonna be sick. Everything he's done, everything was really ruled. Movies are the greatest vampire movie of all time.

[Joe Rogan]

Of all time.

[Jamie Vernon]

Nothing. The Bram Stoker's Dracula was great to a totally new level.

[Joe Rogan]

Lighthouse was fun.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Lighthouse.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's right.

[Jamie Vernon]

Nosferatu is for sure.

[Shane Gillis]

Gretel. I never saw that one. By the way. Obsession was like one of the best

[Joe Rogan]

movies of all time, brother.

[Shane Gillis]

Obsession was so.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Can we say how funny Obsession was though, the first half? So funny when it's just like, clearly this is just having a nightmare girlfriend. The scene. The scene where he's like. Where they're like, dude, it's guys night. And he's like, I don't care. I'm not afraid to tell her. He's like, okay, tell her. Then he's like, all right, fine. He's in his car and he hangs up. And then like scary music starts playing and he goes inside. He's like. So I think I'm going to go over to Tim's. She's like, okay, great, I'll get ready. And he's like, it's just going to be the guys. And she's like, how about when she Regular life.

[Jamie Vernon]

How about when she taped over the door?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Hilarious.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like there a slow build to complete insanity to the scene in the car.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

She kills the other girl.

[Joe Rogan]

That girl.

[Jamie Vernon]

Spoiler alert.

[Joe Rogan]

So good. That girl's unbelievable. Going to go far.

[Jamie Vernon]

She ruled. And that's the crazy thing about it is like no one was known overnight.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

She can't walk down the street anymore. No, she tried with a comic in New York.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

She came to the seller once and it was like. It was like just getting from wherever they were on six to the cellar took like 40 minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We went with Kanye. And it wasn't that.

[Shane Gillis]

He took the car around to the store. He didn't walk with us, did he?

[Joe Rogan]

Come on, bro.

[Shane Gillis]

Did he walk with us from. Did he walk. Walk with us?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Shane Gillis]

I don't remember that. We were walking. Me, you, Louie, Rock, Chappelle. I don't remember Kanye walking with us.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And Kanye was.

[Shane Gillis]

Wow, it was so fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's a great photo. Somebody should have got ahead of you guys and took a photo.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The funniest.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it was so.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Funniest group of dudes of all time.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there's a lot of trouble.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We got that. This is how funny Tommy. Tommy Pope is. It was. It was me and my buddies. We got there for first, and Tommy is obliterated from the flight. And then Kanye comes or. No, Chappelle comes in first. He's sitting with us, and he's like, kanye's here. We should talk to Kanye. And I was like, yeah, please. Obviously. And then Kanye comes and sits with us and then walks away. Anyway, we hang out with Kanye all night. The next morning, Tommy's like, I. I'd love to meet Kanye.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'd.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That'd be awesome. You hung out with him all night.

[Shane Gillis]

You drunk?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He spent the whole night with him.

[Shane Gillis]

Jeez, it was so cool. They were going. Chappelle came just randomly. They weren't trying to meet us. He just showed up. Rock showed up. Louie showed up? No.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Then he goes, rock and Louie are here. I was like, bring him down.

[Shane Gillis]

What? Okay. And then. And then. And then Chappelle's like, I'm going to smoke a joint. Sam J. Went back there. And I was like, I think I kind of want to go back there and smoke a joint with them. And then he's like. Shane's like, well, you can't go now. I'm like, why not? I go. You didn't see. You went back there. I'm like, no, Kanye would seem like, I'm going just for that and that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And I went, but yeah, it was. It was hard wrangling them to be like. Cuz I was the one that was like, we should probably do standup tonight, right, fellas? Cuz it's you guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And the only one that was like, definitely was Kanye. Kanye was like, yes.

[Joe Rogan]

Did he go on?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, he just stood.

[Shane Gillis]

He did. He stood on the stage for a second.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Weird.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But he was the one.

[Jamie Vernon]

How long ago was it? May.

[Shane Gillis]

It was in May. So Chappelle goes on. He goes, at first, my idea was like, I'm gonna just go up and bring Shane on. Then Chappelle's like, I'm gonna host.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, look at that.

[Shane Gillis]

Chappelle goes on and does seven minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, this is la.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Chappelle goes on and does seven minutes. Nicole was on, had no idea who was in the back, which was all these guys.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

And so we're in the back row, and it's Shane and Mitzi's chair, Louie right next to him. Or vice versa. I'm right there. And they go, hey, Kanye's people need these chairs. And Louie and Shane were like. At first, we're just. Was like, oh, okay. And they looked at each other and they just go, no, we're comics.

[Joe Rogan]

What a list. It's a cancel fest. I love it.

[Shane Gillis]

Chappelle went on to seven minutes and goes, it's a canceled comedy cavalcade. He brought on shame to his roast jokes. He goes, it gets better. This next guy was a horrible person to women. Brings up Louis and then goes. And then he goes, this next guy is even worse. Spoke about someone's wife and got slapped in the face for it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

Rock.

[Shane Gillis]

This is midnight and onwards.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God. There was a crowd going, but it

[Shane Gillis]

was 27 of them. And they were like, what?

[Jamie Vernon]

And then closed it out. Only 27 people saw that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, that's Don Bears killed.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a funny Son followed and killed. Wow.

[Shane Gillis]

So they were in the back. Kanye's got Give Me the Ox. He's just playing unreleased tracks. What stuff he likes and then his own stuff. It's unique, unreleased.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn, that's amazing.

[Shane Gillis]

He explained his mania.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

He goes, guys, it wasn't about. It wasn't about the Jews. It wasn't about. It could have been about immigrants, about gays. Goes Chappelle. I went after you. I was crazy. I was crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's cool.

[Shane Gillis]

Because I wasn't in my right mind. I went next to Charles and he just goes. He points at me. I was like. He goes, that guy has a bit about it. And I was like, wait, what?

[Joe Rogan]

Charles?

[Shane Gillis]

Charles is like, yeah, Charles. Like, do you hear that? I'm like, I thought I did. Did he just say, that guy has a bit about it? Yeah, he's just like, it was so cool.

[Joe Rogan]

That's bananas.

[Shane Gillis]

Everyone's up there. Ross is back there. Khalib Kweli's there.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It was great. It was A great hodgepodge of opinions on Judaism.

[Shane Gillis]

It really was. Chappelle was like, we were trying to get Kanye. He's like, I think I should play Israel. He's like, you can't play a totalitarian regime.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was the only one, though, was like, hey, don't do that.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. He was, you can't play a totality. I was like, didn't you go to Saudi Arabia?

[Joe Rogan]

That was a great festival, dude.

[Shane Gillis]

I had to pick up my luggage from your hotel right afterwards.

[Jamie Vernon]

How was this out. You went to the Saudi?

[Joe Rogan]

It was. I would go again.

[Shane Gillis]

Good Ch.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, I got a world of. But it was so fun.

[Shane Gillis]

I feel like you skated more than anybody. Yeah, I didn't.

[Jamie Vernon]

You never stood for anything.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't, I didn't stand for anything. They said, you can't talk about this.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, you don't stand for. So you're not a hypocrite.

[Joe Rogan]

I, I, they said, you can't talk about this. They gave you a list of stuff

[Shane Gillis]

and you're like, how many bits about that?

[Joe Rogan]

I was like, oh, okay. This is like half my act. Like, everything. Oh, you know, can't with the government, can't with trans, can't with gay. Can't do this.

[Jamie Vernon]

No trans or gay jokes.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You can't support trans or gay people.

[Shane Gillis]

Support.

[Joe Rogan]

Right. So that was fun. That's what they said, stuff like that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Literally just a mothership set. Just the, the, the contract you sign when you do the mothership.

[Joe Rogan]

But I got on stage in blood. Everybody got in my head, like, be careful out there, man. They're going to chop your hands off. It's going to be crazy. And I was like, you're a shoplifter. Yeah, that's true. So I got there and I'm like, I, I land on the plane.

[Shane Gillis]

Shoplift in Saudi Arabia.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, not that crazy. I got one Cliff bar from Hudson News. But I, I landed and I'm like, women are driving. What? This place has gone to shit. Like, the whole thing was. It's all a route. It's, it's not that crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So then I got to the hotel and I, I did one night because I was like, I better get in, better get out. They're gonna kill me. And it was great. They couldn't been more hospitable. And I did the show and I was like, oh, God, what am I gonna talk about? I got my whole act is cut in half. And then, you know when you're on stage and you get in that rhythm and you just do your act. Because it's all, you know, I just did my act and I did everything they said not to do. And it was, was fine. I did Muslim jokes. I was like, you guys get high? What, do you stone each other? You know, like that? They're like, they were the best crowd ever. They were so nice. It was great. And I got the hell out of there.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, imagine, like, you've never had comedy there, and all of a sudden you have the best comics in the world.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Kind of crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there was some great comics there. I mean, list.

[Shane Gillis]

No. Nobody was reported.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I said no.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, Tony said no, too. They offered Tony a lot of money. Said no.

[Shane Gillis]

So funny. They went after the right wing comics, and the right wing comics are the only ones that go no. And then in the roast, they're like, these right wing comics.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was only Chelsea. It was only Chelsea. And somebody probably wrote that. The whole thing was ridiculous. It was a total straw, man.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

She's doing good. Support her.

[Jamie Vernon]

Super, super good.

[Shane Gillis]

Chelsea.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I think she's doing good. I, I, I liked her. We had a nice time together.

[Joe Rogan]

She had a good set. She killed.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's all the stuff she says when you're not a around.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. Once you leave, that's when she starts chirping. But she was very nice in person.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's the problem with a lot of people. That's why social media sucks.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It brings it out of you.

[Shane Gillis]

It's all these people that on Joe Rogan and they go on his podcast and don't say you're signaling.

[Joe Rogan]

You got a signal.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, you're signaling. And then, you know, you have to signal after you leave.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Off. Yeah. You knew who was on it when you signed up, you know.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You go to an orgy, you can't be mad. You got jizzed on.

[Shane Gillis]

Could just not. Not gone.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, It's a good point.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I have a point.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

All right, guys. Are you guys. Let's.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's talk a little college football.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Let's talk a little.

[Joe Rogan]

What about? We gotta get back to Grant.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We can talk Grant. We talk civil war all day.

[Joe Rogan]

Are we going on tonight? What's the plan here?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Well, I ain't.

[Shane Gillis]

We're drinking for Derosa.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, we got the roses coming out.

[Jamie Vernon]

What are you guys doing?

[Shane Gillis]

Joe DeRosa is on Netflix for the first.

[Jamie Vernon]

I know. He did the show yesterday.

[Joe Rogan]

That is a great special. No humor involved.

[Jamie Vernon]

He was on the show last night, too. He killed.

[Joe Rogan]

He is a funny Egyptian adopted person.

[Jamie Vernon]

Fun dude, too.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Fun to hang out with.

[Shane Gillis]

Best Drinkers most of the time.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's a great Hank baby every once in a while.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Shane Gillis]

I'll have to have a heart to heart with you once.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Nobody loves a heart to heart to heart.

[Shane Gillis]

Let's talk this. I'm like, are we doing that now?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm adopted.

[Shane Gillis]

He's also. Whatever.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's also the king of most minuscule thing on earth when you're too drunk.

[Shane Gillis]

And he's like, come on, let's do shots. Like, dude, we're so bombed. This is such a bad idea. And he's like, do a shot. He's gone nine minutes later at kfc, and he's asleep.

[Joe Rogan]

He loves kfc.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

20 years, but KFC rules.

[Joe Rogan]

But here's what a dirt bag is. We got drunk one night. This is 10 years ago in New York. And he's like, we got to go to kfc. I was like. And the only one open was in Penn Station. So it's me and him in Penn station at, like, 4 in the morning, eating next to, like, a homeless guy. It was the saddest night of my life. And he's like, this is the best kfc. I've tried them all. This one's good. He's great.

[Shane Gillis]

Savannah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Kfc, kfc, Penn Station.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the Anthony Bourdain of. Of kfc.

[Shane Gillis]

The best. The best during COVID Because he was in the neighborhood when you're like, noon, and you're like, hey, they're serving beers outside. He goes, I'll meet you in 10. Just. And then you called Jet. No one's doing anything. And Jerosa was just always down to booze.

[Joe Rogan]

Always easiest. Got to convince. Oh, there's one little pushback, and you go, I got a shot. And he's like, all right, I got

[Shane Gillis]

a business meeting later. He's like, you sure? He goes, I'll meet you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. How those voodoo rangers treating you?

[Jamie Vernon]

They're good. They're solid. I like them.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, all right.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

One more beer.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Guys, guys, that's all. Let's all do a.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

A, J. You queue up a birthday song by Drake.

[Jamie Vernon]

One of the these things, these voodoo IPAs.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, did Bert. Did Bert get back on the. I know Brad pitched drinking, which is exciting. Shout out to bp didn't even know he was sick.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yo, you're going to bong a voodoo ranger?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, man, that's like chugging gravy.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's hard chucking gravy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, Play this. Play this for Joe's birthday celebration.

[Joe Rogan]

Wait, is Bert back on the wagon? I don't think so.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's still. Still not drinking.

[Shane Gillis]

No way.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, he's still not that.

[Shane Gillis]

He was off in July.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, I think he's. Look, he had some serious health issues.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, for 30 years.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. But he had crazy blood clots, obesity, blood clot. Three vaccinations.

[Shane Gillis]

That was funny.

[Jamie Vernon]

He took three of those MRNA vaccines.

[Joe Rogan]

Now Conor McGregor is trying to piggyback.

[Shane Gillis]

Conor McGregor stopped doing alcohol. Switch it off.

[Joe Rogan]

Coke.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm back to alcoholic.

[Joe Rogan]

What? He doesn't have a leg to stay on?

[Jamie Vernon]

I think he's basically selling his stout. He has.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Another black forge. Yeah. Gentlemen,

[Shane Gillis]

Happy birthday.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hey.

[Joe Rogan]

You're going to be 60 soon. That's crazy.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Damn, that was good.

[Shane Gillis]

That was fast.

[Joe Rogan]

You still got it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That was a fresh one. That was cold, bro. Yes, Joe. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm used to the cold plunge. I can take cold temperatures.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Down your throat.

[Jamie Vernon]

Better than hot ones. Hot and thick.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a good show.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Ah.

[Jamie Vernon]

I haven't done it.

[Shane Gillis]

What?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

What are you waiting for? Answer questions.

[Joe Rogan]

Really hot ones.

[Jamie Vernon]

He eat the hot wings and you answer questions.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was hungover and wings are perfect for the.

[Joe Rogan]

That.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I always eat wings.

[Shane Gillis]

It's actually great.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The wings were great.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, that's nice.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And he. He's very nice. He's the man.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's very nice guy. I met him at the store.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It was just. Yeah, he's the man. I just suck at that type of. I'm not good at that.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a crazy way to do a conversation while you're dying. From sauce.

[Shane Gillis]

The best was Conan. Conan called in his own medical staff.

[Joe Rogan]

He killed it. He really did.

[Shane Gillis]

A medical staff? Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It was like rubbed hot sauce all over his face. It was.

[Joe Rogan]

He's chugging milk.

[Shane Gillis]

It was great.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was crushing the milk.

[Joe Rogan]

Milk helps.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Like. He was like, yeah, you drink a lot of milk.

[Jamie Vernon]

You should really get raw milk with all the creams in it. That's the move.

[Joe Rogan]

Ah.

[Jamie Vernon]

How to really coat your throat.

[Shane Gillis]

What about you get raw milk? What do you get raw milk?

[Jamie Vernon]

I drink it every week.

[Shane Gillis]

Where do you get it?

[Jamie Vernon]

Get it at a farmer's market. The Amish brother. Yeah, I drink raw milk. I drink a gallon of Amish milk every week.

[Joe Rogan]

You know what I like about the Amish?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So good?

[Joe Rogan]

The Amish is cool because they don't force it on anybody. They do their own. They're in the buggy, they're churning butter.

[Shane Gillis]

They don't want each other.

[Joe Rogan]

Unlike communism.

[Jamie Vernon]

Have autism. The only people in the Amish community have autism. Is adopted Kids that were already vaccinated,

[Shane Gillis]

dude, they said if you switch off lactose, it cures autism. A lot of people. But that's probably the raw. It's the. It's the not raw.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're not vaccinated. They don't take kids, jab them up filled with aluminum and mercury.

[Shane Gillis]

Milk is also a thing for autism. Yeah. What? Yeah. And it might be the non raw milk because no one just.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think the issue with milk is it does have autism. Yeah. The ones that. The children that they've found that have autism are the ones that were adopted.

[Joe Rogan]

They just don't go to the doctor.

[Shane Gillis]

Right. They don't have anything.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's actually a good point. They don't go to the. However, the instance of autism are significantly lower. James, Jamie works for the Fed.

[Shane Gillis]

He does compromise.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I grew up around these people, and they're certainly autistic, without a doubt. Autistic.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I grew up next to Lancaster. I mean, we would drive by them, they'd be in their buggies, we'd roll down the window, play music real loud, be like, how do you like a

[Jamie Vernon]

taste of the good life, you sack of. Well, they're allowed to escape and do that. What is it called? Rumpelstilskin.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Ever see that documentary?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, documentary about it going crazy. Girls go off.

[Jamie Vernon]

So you watch these kids just go nutty for a year.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

For two straight years, back to back Notre Dame games. We. Indiana has some Amish and they would go to Notre Dame football games and tailgate the guys that were on Rum Spring. You can be on Rum Spring as long as you want. It's not like one year.

[Jamie Vernon]

But you. You can only do it once. And then you come back, you get

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

as long as you want. You can go until you're like 45 and be like, all right, I'm coming back. Wow. But these boys were getting. Getting active. And they are fully autistic, dude. Joe, not only are you wrong, they were. Every single one of these boys was autistic. They had bow cuts. They were getting housed.

[Jamie Vernon]

Are you sure that there's not just completely isolated from the regular world?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yolked, dude, these are the strongest dudes.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they're building bars, carrying logs.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So strong. And they. Their faces, dude. Jamie, bring up those Amish guys that got arrested. It'll come up Amish mug shots. Wait till you see the faces these boys have.

[Joe Rogan]

O.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They're wild looking, dude.

[Joe Rogan]

They look.

[Shane Gillis]

It's such a good line to walk in on. Bring up those Amish dudes got arrested.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They're all sh.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie Vernon]

His chin is like a guy a sheep herder in England, you know, 1700.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You know how nasty that mine is? You get five of those.

[Jamie Vernon]

That guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's interesting, like, why the religious fanatics always go with the beard, no mustache.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, why not a mustache. Let it all go.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's weird. Beard, no mustache is strange.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's a sick look.

[Jamie Vernon]

What is? Beard, no mustache.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What's the signif cut and an orange jumpsuit.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude, you're far right.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, you're right.

[Shane Gillis]

They go off stash Oliver Tree's parents.

[Jamie Vernon]

Beard, no.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, baby. What a bench.

[Jamie Vernon]

He died in a plane crash, right?

[Shane Gillis]

Helicopter in Brazil. He ruled all the way through.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He was the man. He was the best.

[Joe Rogan]

But you know those Amish I saw? I used to see him in Wawa all the time those days.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, Mennonite. They look Amish, but they're not.

[Jamie Vernon]

Do you remember when we were. We were doing a gig in western Massachusetts, and we pulled into a rest stop, and there was those ladies. They're Mennonite ladies and gentlemen.

[Shane Gillis]

You go, what.

[Jamie Vernon]

What are you into? What is this? And they were, like, so nervous. They're like these crazy religious ladies. So nervous. And Diaz is like, look at Ari over there. Scan the out of these white people.

[Shane Gillis]

What are we doing?

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, what are you doing?

[Shane Gillis]

What is this?

[Jamie Vernon]

What cult are you in? It was so funny. You were so aggressive.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I wasn't trying to be.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm just awkward.

[Joe Rogan]

But you're just like.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're, like, looming.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm 6 3, but I feel like

[Jamie Vernon]

you're looming over these poor ladies. They're wearing pilgrim outfits, and you're looming over them. It was so funny. I was like, ari's the best.

[Shane Gillis]

You shouldn't even talk to men. And I'm like, come on, give me answers.

[Jamie Vernon]

You can send Ari in. He would do anything. He was shameless.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, those are the days.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's why Amazing Racist was so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

That was great.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Your next mark hasn't had one. I'm not good.

[Joe Rogan]

Good at it.

[Jamie Vernon]

What does that mean?

[Joe Rogan]

I got guys. I got to learn who gets good at this.

[Shane Gillis]

You're good at it.

[Joe Rogan]

You guys are going.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is in chess.

[Shane Gillis]

Second worst.

[Jamie Vernon]

You're real good at it. Derost at it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You were the best at it.

[Shane Gillis]

You were the best at it. Shane's second. I'm third.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's the quickness, bro.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. You open up your throat like you've had that happen before.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know who's craziest is Luke Combs.

[Joe Rogan]

Get down.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Shotgun 1.

[Jamie Vernon]

We. We Shotgun together. And I'm like, that doesn't even any sense. Like, how did. What are you, a whale? How did. How did. You open your mouth up and swallow?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Jonah, by the way, you're a for rolling cigarettes.

[Joe Rogan]

Why?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's just gay. It pisses me off.

[Jamie Vernon]

Derosa gave me these.

[Shane Gillis]

I know what those are. I'm going to roll my own.

[Jamie Vernon]

Why do that?

[Shane Gillis]

When you get a filter, it's try hard. I have a filter.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It is try hard.

[Shane Gillis]

I have a filter. I made my own filter. This is the way the Indians did it.

[Jamie Vernon]

The Indians.

[Joe Rogan]

The Indians.

[Shane Gillis]

Anger is why I do this.

[Jamie Vernon]

The Indians didn't use papers. You ret hard. You don't. That's my people. Don't. Don't talk.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's working, bro.

[Joe Rogan]

What, you're half Cherokee?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, I wish I was. Be fun to say you'd be mentioning it by now. My land.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

My people.

[Joe Rogan]

My squaw.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You were good at it.

[Shane Gillis]

Thanks. That the best one I've ever done.

[Joe Rogan]

I just identify with that, really. Got the arrows.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, you got the arrows.

[Jamie Vernon]

Also live in Texas. This is Commanche land. These. These are the wildest Indians ever. And this spot.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Jamie Vernon]

This a great book. You want to read a great book? Empire of the Summer Moon. Insane book.

[Shane Gillis]

They made the movie, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

No, that was that other one. What was that one?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Jamie Hostiles had a little bit of it.

[Jamie Vernon]

That was the Cormac McCarthy, right?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Blood Meridian.

[Jamie Vernon]

Blood Meridian. No, no, it wasn't that. It was the one with Leonardo DiCaprio.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Was. That had nothing to do with the Command Tree.

[Jamie Vernon]

That was. I know, but that was the name of the.

[Joe Rogan]

The movie.

[Jamie Vernon]

He was. Movie. That was one. But there was another one. The.

[Joe Rogan]

The later one. Killers of the Flower.

[Shane Gillis]

Flower.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's right. That flower.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That has nothing to do with the command.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right, Right. But it was. It was a confusion. So Empire of the Summer Moon is all about the Comanche and about how they controlled Texas and Oklahoma. Like you. There was impossible to pass. So this is how up the people were back then. They would give people homesteads. They would say, hey, Mark, would you like your own land?

[Joe Rogan]

Sure.

[Jamie Vernon]

Give you.

[Joe Rogan]

We.

[Jamie Vernon]

We'll give you a hundred thousand acres.

[Joe Rogan]

Love it.

[Jamie Vernon]

You can have this place, and you just go there and you move there and they.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And then five months, you, your wife, your kids are about to get beheaded.

[Shane Gillis]

Is that what you're doing with this condo you're trying to give me?

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, Taylor Sheridan is. Taylor Sheridan is turning into A show.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's exciting. It's going to be sick.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I hope he doesn't make it gay.

[Shane Gillis]

He will.

[Jamie Vernon]

He won't.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

It needs to be made by Landman. Got old.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, you better not. You got to see. You got to see. What was it? 1883. What was it? 1823. 1882.

[Joe Rogan]

18.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

1883.

[Jamie Vernon]

I saw the one that he did that was about people trying to make it across the country.

[Shane Gillis]

Was the most Grandfather.

[Jamie Vernon]

Really, it was the most accurate depiction of what it was like for. For these crazy settlers on wagons to try to make it through India.

[Shane Gillis]

Danish and. And trying their best to settle.

[Jamie Vernon]

They all got lied to. They all got lied to. Just the way these poor that moved into Oklahoma got lied to. And like, you see those photos out that are outside or all, like, all these different Indians and different people. Quanah Parker, like that. That guy. His mother was Cynthia Ann Parker, who got kidnapped by the Commanche.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie Vernon]

When she was nine years old. They slaughtered her entire family. Kidnapped her. She married the chief, and then her son was the last Commanche chief. That was Quanah Parker.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy.

[Jamie Vernon]

And that's. That's right here. I. I was just. The other day, I was driving down Quanah Parker Lane in one of these towns they named Bro. This guy killed everybody. He was a beast. He was a monster.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Don't look into history.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, dude.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

If you want to tear down statues, don't look into history.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, you can't tear down statues. You just got to accept the fact that we're learning how to be better people.

[Joe Rogan]

And where do those statues go?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, what are they?

[Joe Rogan]

They must be in a warehouse somewhere. I'd like to get my hands on an old.

[Jamie Vernon]

They melt them down, turn them into dicks.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Somebody was just showing me one. I think it was Stonewall Jackson. They just remade a statue and just it up.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, the messy Lionel Messi.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, no.

[Shane Gillis]

With his dick out.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah, that was bad.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is a statue of Lionel Messi with his dick out.

[Joe Rogan]

It looks like statue.

[Shane Gillis]

It looks like his dick.

[Joe Rogan]

Pull it up. The Ronaldo one's not great either.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Ronaldo one's hilarious.

[Joe Rogan]

All neck.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

His face is up.

[Jamie Vernon]

But this place where we're living in. For hundreds of years, the Commanche ruled

[Shane Gillis]

till the whites game. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That you got to show from behind. Easy.

[Jamie Vernon]

That picture is crazy. What is that thing that's supposed to be in front of him?

[Shane Gillis]

World Cup.

[Joe Rogan]

The World cup trophy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Put it in a different place, you'd think.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Put it in his hand. Don't put it right in front of his cat.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn. But yeah. You know about Davy Crockett? Well, the fact that he bought he. I'm sorry. Daniel Boone. Sorry, Daniel Boone.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's easy to mistake.

[Joe Rogan]

Daniel Boone. My bad. Daniel Boone was the ultimate badass. This guy's crazy. He started Boone's video, which was just a fort that he made, and he kept getting attacked by Indians. His daughter gets stolen. He goes back, finds her, kills everybody, brings his daughter back, which was unheard of. You know, this white guy, alone, is just killing a bunch of Indians, Gets his daughter back eventually. He's trying to make. Make salt in the river. Everything was about salt back then. He's making salt in the river. They kidnap him. They got him, you know, chained up, whatever. They're walking him down, he runs away. Just randomly escape. Escapes. He only walks on rocks to get away. So they can't find him because then he can't find figure footprints. This is how crazy he was. Gets back to the fort. He goes, I killed a bunch of guys. They're gonna kill us. We gotta set up for nine days. Indians attack the fort, and they're just, you know, shooting them off. Shooting them off. Eventually, the Indians burned the fort, and then the militia showed up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

And they saved him. But, yeah, crazy. Nine days fighting off Native Americans.

[Jamie Vernon]

Bro, we're so lucky living in 2026.

[Joe Rogan]

I know.

[Jamie Vernon]

Imagine if you were living in Mongolia in the year 1200.

[Joe Rogan]

I get a bad hotel, this place. I got the worst life. My flight's delayed.

[Jamie Vernon]

They thought everybody was a. Who didn't live in a felt tent in a rat.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Rat skin suit.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, rat skin.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that right, bro?

[Jamie Vernon]

Dan Carlin's hardcore history is the greatest podcast on history ever. And he's got a thing called the Wrath of the Khan, and it is, like five episodes long of Genghis Khan or Genghis Khan, as he says. That's how they say. It's like there's a bunch of different translations of what it actually is. The great con.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Now he's got a film festival, bro.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's insane. It's so good. I got obsessed with. With Genghis Khan after that. Obsessed.

[Joe Rogan]

Really obsessed.

[Jamie Vernon]

Obsessed. I could. I read. I watched, like, three different documentaries on them.

[Joe Rogan]

I read.

[Jamie Vernon]

I watched movies on them. I read two books.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's. He was so insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Really. I gotta watch some of this.

[Jamie Vernon]

He was born with a blood clot in his hand, like, in his fist. And his. His mother was, like, concerned, like, that he was gonna become a monster. From the time he was born, he killed his brother. His brother. His brother used to steal fish from him and his other brother. So they killed him with a bow and arrow.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. You can kill somebody with an arrow?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's all the Mongolians did.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Jamie Vernon]

Have you ever shot a bow?

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, like an old kids one?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, in some way. Summer camp.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's why you don't think you can kill somebody. We have a archery range in the this studio.

[Shane Gillis]

Let's do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'll take you back there right now.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll show you.

[Jamie Vernon]

Kill you.

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, I went to Carlin's film festival.

[Joe Rogan]

Who? Dan Carlin.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is a film festival?

[Shane Gillis]

Gay? What am I thinking of the wrong guy.

[Joe Rogan]

What the hell are you talking?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Gay film festival.

[Jamie Vernon]

Gay film festival. Are you going to. It was like, how bored are you in England?

[Joe Rogan]

This is like a Mitch McConnell moment. Something's going on. You're. You're crossing wires here.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yo, is that guy still alive?

[Shane Gillis]

Who? He is Mitch McConnell. He's not, right? They say he's like.

[Joe Rogan]

He's in the bed.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're grabbing his hand and signing bills.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Is he alive?

[Joe Rogan]

I believe he is. I know. Lindsay Graham is. Is off the gram.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's gone.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Do you think Russia killed him?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I like that idea.

[Jamie Vernon]

I do too.

[Joe Rogan]

He was old.

[Jamie Vernon]

It seems like he might have got blowed up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah. While looking at a drone factory. Oh, this is awesome. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, oh, my God, we're gonna kill so many people sitting on the drone.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I was just in Charleston, like I said, and I was making fun of Lindsey Graham, and I was like, I wonder how they're gonna feel. Whole stadium was like, yeah, well, you got. You got for him.

[Jamie Vernon]

He was a weird guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Great town.

[Jamie Vernon]

If there was ever a guy, you're like, that guy's gay.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

He looks gay. He looks old. Southern gay.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Tony Hinchcliffe looked like Hulk Hogan.

[Shane Gillis]

Sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

But southern and gay is a fine line. We got genteel down there proper and, you know, just sear sucker soup. Mint julep. I do declare, that's the weird thing

[Jamie Vernon]

about history, but they're like, you know, when you go back to armies, when armies were like a bunch of dudes just out in the field together for years at a time, they all got gay.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It must have. It must happen.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I disagree with this concept.

[Jamie Vernon]

Spartans were gay. As. And they were. When you think about, like elite warriors in history, don't you think about the Spartans?

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, statistically, it had to happen.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

300.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, 300.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I didn't get tricked by the comic book movie. No, I don't think it was Spartan.

[Jamie Vernon]

They kept that out of that movie. 300. They kept the gay stuff out.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

They should have tossed that in.

[Jamie Vernon]

They shaved their chest down, though, I'll tell you that. They got. They got sleek. Yeah, they all were shaved up. It didn't make any sense. Like, where's the hair? Nobody had any hair.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, in the movie? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Really?

[Jamie Vernon]

So it was kind of gay.

[Shane Gillis]

Like wrestlers.

[Joe Rogan]

I guess so.

[Shane Gillis]

Wrestlers don't have any hair. They'll shave it. Hulk Hogan hair. His chest.

[Joe Rogan]

They didn't have a word for gay back then because it was just so normal. Boys in Greece.

[Jamie Vernon]

What about that one?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Silly talk.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm telling you.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What do you mean?

[Joe Rogan]

They had no word for gay? We got a thousand words for gay. Gay.

[Jamie Vernon]

What are you talking about? Who didn't have word for gay?

[Joe Rogan]

Greeks.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Who told you that?

[Shane Gillis]

I like it. What was.

[Joe Rogan]

I think I saw a real.

[Jamie Vernon]

Put that in perplexity, Jamie. You don't put that into our AIs.

[Joe Rogan]

Now they're gay. Was just gay. It was just like living.

[Jamie Vernon]

Hey, perplexity stunt.

[Joe Rogan]

Alexander the Great had a couple of boyfriends.

[Jamie Vernon]

He had a good point about never.

[Shane Gillis]

They don't go to doctors.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, no doctors. They're not getting checked out. This dude's doing math in their head while they're putting up blogs. Greeks did not have a single neutral word equivalent to the modern identity term gay. Appreciated sexuality was generally described through acts, social roles or particular relations, relationships rather than a fixed orientation.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So I just. I just think we have a. We have a very weird thing in modern history where we like to look back and be like, they were gay. Did you know women controlled this tribe? Everyone was gay back then. Abraham Lincoln was gay.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, I get what you're saying.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Shut up.

[Joe Rogan]

But I'm just saying that's what I heard

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

saying.

[Jamie Vernon]

Like, how about the Papa New guinea people? Do you know about that?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What about what?

[Jamie Vernon]

You don't know about that. The. The semen warriors of Papua New guinea, they would take a child when they were six years old and he would have an anal father, and they would be literally removed from their parents and this. And then they thought that in order for a man to grow strong, he had to consume semen either in his mouth or his anus. Well, that is from the time they're six. From the time they're six, these warriors were taken away from their. Their. Their family and they were brought to a man. And that man would them in the Ass and him in the mouth. And they would do the same to a young boy that came up, could

[Shane Gillis]

just come on the table.

[Jamie Vernon]

And the only thing that stopped them was Christian missionaries. They're like, hey, hey, hey.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That seems to be a hard common theme in history. Yeah, I was watching the North.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dudes are so gross. If you leave us alone, we fucking each other.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, not that. I'm saying Christians showing up and going, what are you doing? Yeah, here's some gunpowder. Shut the up. I was watching the Northman last night and I was like, thank goodness Christianity showed up there.

[Jamie Vernon]

According to Plutarch, the 300 handpicked men were chosen by Gordas purely for ability and merit, regardless of social class. It was comprised of 150 male couples, each pair consisting of an old. Older eras and a younger Aromis. Beloved, Beloved, Beloved. Athena of Nus.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Wait, wait.

[Jamie Vernon]

Also records in the sacred band as being composed of lovers and their favorite. Thus in indicating the dignity of the God Eros. And they embrace the glorious death in preference to a dishonorable and reprehensible life.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So this is saying The Spartan the 300 were 150 couples.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Okay, now click the citation and tell me what year that book was written.

[Joe Rogan]

Not Pluto 2.

[Jamie Vernon]

2002.

[Shane Gillis]

What's your point?

[Jamie Vernon]

What's.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm just saying it's modern. It's very modern to be like they, you know, they were all gay, right?

[Jamie Vernon]

But. But there's a reality a thousand years later.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Right, but they were gay.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's a reality of like boy lovers for sure. Socrates for sure.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But like immediately at this table we bring up Greeks. It's like, you know, they guys like, that's.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, not just Greeks. It was also Romans. It was also Japanese.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Everybody guys. Yeah, we're still guys.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's also in the Islamic world, it's a big problem. You know the, the dancing boys in Afghanistan? Oh yeah, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

This is a thing about some sort of soldier was stationed there and they were like, saw all that stuff.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh yeah, man. Love Thursdays or whatever.

[Shane Gillis]

We're not here for that.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa, mama.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not in the. What is this? What are you pulling up?

[Joe Rogan]

I just asked if the Spartan army was gay.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not in the modern sense of uniformly gay army. Ancient Spartans did not use sexual orientation categories like gay, straight and Spartan men were generally expected to marry women and produce citizen children. Same sex desire. Desire and age structured male relationships existed. Yeah, they did a lot of gay.

[Joe Rogan]

Right, right.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was prison.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it true? And this, this is. You know, again, I saw a real in the Middle east, there's more trans people.

[Jamie Vernon]

In Iran.

[Joe Rogan]

Sorry, in Iran, because it's illegal. You can't be gay. So become a woman.

[Jamie Vernon]

Exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that real?

[Jamie Vernon]

That's real.

[Joe Rogan]

And trans is okay because at least you're banging a lady.

[Shane Gillis]

Dude, I am up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Let's get one more beer.

[Shane Gillis]

I am. I'm gonna bar.

[Joe Rogan]

Do we get dinner? What do you guys want to do?

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's go. Go.

[Joe Rogan]

Go to the club. What's the story here?

[Jamie Vernon]

Doing both of those things.

[Shane Gillis]

All right, food, then we'll go.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm not gonna stand.

[Joe Rogan]

Connect with the Rosa. We got to figure out. I mean it's still five. It's not even night time.

[Shane Gillis]

Like seven or eight.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I could also go home. Go home and sleep, boys.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's go. Come on, push it. I had like 2 hours sleep last night cuz I ate like 50 nicotine pouches. I was lying in bed, I couldn't sleep.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's why I'd say let's just drink here for another hour.

[Shane Gillis]

And you're not like anyone else.

[Jamie Vernon]

What do you mean?

[Shane Gillis]

What way you recover in a way that seems suspect.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, it's weird. It is suspect.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm from a different time.

[Shane Gillis]

It's like there's a. There's a like Gallagher.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you're Rick Springfield.

[Jamie Vernon]

I have different genes. I have a. I have a primitive genes illusionist or I got a lot of.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

There's two of these guys.

[Jamie Vernon]

I got Neanderthal genes, man. That's a fact.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

All right, well how about this? Let's go get some pizza, we drink for another hour and then cuz otherwise we're stuck here.

[Jamie Vernon]

What do you want to eat? I'm saying what do you want?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

5 to. He's got a show at 7.

[Shane Gillis]

But we got to start drinking with the Rosa.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but that's my show.

[Shane Gillis]

Seven or eight.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll do this show.

[Jamie Vernon]

Norman's.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But I mean he's doing a show.

[Jamie Vernon]

Go out and party with the Rosa.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll do that too.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, I have to do a show. I have to do a show.

[Joe Rogan]

The Rosa is going to be.

[Shane Gillis]

You can come for a little bit. You're closing out the show.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, but I want to be there. It's fun. I'll be there for the. In the mix.

[Shane Gillis]

Drinking with the Rosa will also be fun. And Tony.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, but it'll be fun.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Edge.

[Jamie Vernon]

Tony's on the show with me.

[Shane Gillis]

He's. He's canceling.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No chance. He cancels.

[Jamie Vernon]

Shut up. Ian Edwards is in town.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh really?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, he's on the show tonight, too.

[Joe Rogan]

He's on Underrated.

[Jamie Vernon]

He doesn't even eat vegetables. Lives off air

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

photosynthesis. He's going off the sun.

[Jamie Vernon]

I used to take pictures every time we go on the road together of him sleeping on the plane because he was a vegan. I was like, he's always tired. Like, until one time he caught me sleeping. I'm like this. There's a video of him smiling, a giant look.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm like, I got you once.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, you got me.

[Shane Gillis]

I got. I just posted on Twitter. We were about to take off, and I just. I took a picture of you. Open mouth like that. Do what you you will. And then we took off. And then five hours, it was like that AIDS lady to Africa. You landed. You return your phone. And I was like,

[Jamie Vernon]

that's the thing that bothered me about those goddamn nicotine pouches. I can always sleep. I can always sleep. And last night I was like, I can't sleep. And I'm like, I had 20 nicotine pouches. At least had 20.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, crazy. I just kept popping them in. We were having fun. We were laughing, laughing. We're just joking. I just kept throwing them in my mouth. And then when I got home at night, I was like, all right, I'm done.

[Shane Gillis]

You're wide awake. Just feel like heartbeat.

[Joe Rogan]

They work. I mean, I was. The first 25, 30 minutes, I was really, like, uncomfortable.

[Jamie Vernon]

You do develop a tolerance for them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, obviously.

[Jamie Vernon]

You know, Shane can pop them all day long.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, everybody. Everybody in New York I see has that circle in their pocket. Every guy, 25, 22, 50 has that circle.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're addictive, but not that much, really. Like, I went on vacation and I didn't bring any with me. And I was. Was fine.

[Joe Rogan]

They say it's the most addictive.

[Jamie Vernon]

Didn't bother me at all. Yeah, I'm not sure if that's true, but it's not.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe.

[Jamie Vernon]

Maybe I'm different because I don't. Whatever it is, I don't seem. The addiction thing to me is like, I get it. I get the pull, but chemical addiction. Yeah. I didn't have any withdrawals. There was no, like, shakes, like, weird, I need nicotine. There was nothing.

[Shane Gillis]

Like, people who can. Like, I'll smoke one cigarette.

[Jamie Vernon]

The only thing I've ever felt that really got me was caffeine. Caffeine. I was. I was drinking these sodas. They had these sodas that. That you could buy in, like, liquor stores in LA that were filled with caffeine and I would write, they were like death soda. It was like skulls on them, and they were blue, and they had, like, hot sauce on them. And they were crazy sodas.

[Joe Rogan]

That's gas station.

[Jamie Vernon]

They were really good. And I got addicted to them. And I'd buy them by the case, and when I would. I would write, I would drink these sodas. And then I decided, let me take some time off. A cat. Caffeine. I got headaches.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes, same.

[Shane Gillis]

I remember that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Real headache.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, Yeah. I was like, what does that teach you? And you go, don't quit. All right, all right, Fair.

[Joe Rogan]

That's like Castro. Remember they told him to quit smoking cigars. He's like, I smoke 50 cigars a day. Like, you got to cut back. So he made one giant cigar.

[Shane Gillis]

Churchill.

[Joe Rogan]

Was it? Churchill?

[Shane Gillis]

This big long one.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. He's like, I did one a day.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, imagine you're living in Cuba. You got the best cigars in the world. Also, you're the king of Cuba.

[Joe Rogan]

I've never had a Cuban.

[Jamie Vernon]

I've given you one. They're not much different. All right, The Dominican ones, the Nicaragua ones are very good.

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Shane Gillis]

Nowadays, Cubans are not the best anymore.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're still really elite. But there's a lot of fakes.

[Shane Gillis]

China bought them out, and they cut. They slashed ingredients and, like, quality.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, did they?

[Shane Gillis]

Because they're like. All the Chinese people just want. And that's a billion people. They just want, like, to say, I have a Cuban.

[Jamie Vernon]

So they want to cut cost Tiger Dick tea and smoke his Cuban cigar. There was a restaurant in China where you could go and they had like a. It was like a quarterly or, you know, semi annually thing where you can go and you could have, like, all endangered species.

[Joe Rogan]

They had a menu you could eat,

[Jamie Vernon]

gorilla, you could eat, like, whatever you want.

[Joe Rogan]

Underage girl.

[Shane Gillis]

For sure.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's some place somewhere where someone's ate a kid, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

That was the pretty key thing about the Epstein files. Hear about jerky and you're like, what does that mean?

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, dude, there's no way.

[Jamie Vernon]

They weren't people.

[Shane Gillis]

It's not everybody has a thing about kids. There's anything they wanted, was there?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. The most. If you get to a certain level of wealth and the most forbidden thing is probably, like, sacrifice of a child.

[Joe Rogan]

For sure.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's happened in history. Yeah, in history. We know it's happened 100% no if answer or buts. So the question is whether or not it still happens.

[Joe Rogan]

Yikes. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's the most forbidden thing of all time. What's more forbidden than eating a kid.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, my God.

[Joe Rogan]

The Native Americans would throw the virgin in the volcano. I saw real.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Dude, what are you talking about?

[Joe Rogan]

Didn't they sacrifice?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Volcanoes are in America.

[Joe Rogan]

That was the thing about, you know, sacrifice. I threw that in there for. But wouldn't they kill a virgin?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Everybody did that.

[Joe Rogan]

All right, well, there you go.

[Jamie Vernon]

Literally, from the beginning of time, people have been killing people.

[Joe Rogan]

But why the virgin sacrifice? Wouldn't you be a. Wouldn't you hoard up just to get by?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I think maybe post Christianity, we tossed in the whole virgin thing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, no, there was a time where people thought that you had to sacrifice human beings in order to make like prosperity and wealth for sure. But I was saying you had to, like, you had to sacrifice people that were valuable. The most valuable people, the most pure. And so it makes sense.

[Shane Gillis]

Psychos in parts of Africa where they were like, you can cure AIDS by a virgin.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

And so then like, how do you get a virgin? Like, I mean, 10 year olds are all virgins.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, it was like 2010.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, it was like pretty recent.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, yeah, that's probably Chappelle.

[Jamie Vernon]

One of his greatest bits about AIDS was like, someone. A monkey is like. You know how hard it is to a monkey.

[Joe Rogan]

Snap your dick like a celery stock.

[Jamie Vernon]

Think about holding a monkey down. And is crazy the idea that somebody a monkey. Virgin sacrifice actually is far more common as a mythic and literary motif than as a well documented historical ritual. Actual human sacrifice occurred in some ancient societies, but evidence that victims specifically were chosen for sexually virginity is generally sparse and often uncertain. But yeah, it's because people probably don't talk about it too.

[Shane Gillis]

You know, it was more like in

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

our culture where, like they sacrificed virgins.

[Jamie Vernon]

Right?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's in movies and shows and. But they were just sacrificing everybody, you know, they were sacrificing poor people.

[Shane Gillis]

At the Mayan. At the Mayan ruins, they would take kings. They conquered kings of their society and tie them to a giant stone wheel and then push them down. It was like 600 yards down. They would tie like this and just

[Jamie Vernon]

murder smush way down.

[Shane Gillis]

And it survived. They're like, that's dishonorable.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, they weren't virgins.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I think it was a good thing the Spanish showed up and gave them

[Jamie Vernon]

what for to be quite 100%. Hey, no more, bro. They sacrificed somewhere in the neighborhood between 20 and 80,000 people when the Aztecs consecrated the temple of Tenochlon.

[Joe Rogan]

Damn.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, between 20 and 80,000 people. This guy Named how many people died in this Spanish. His name was Diaz. And he came over like he was a. Like a. A historian, historical chronicler. And he documented what the Spanish did and when they came over here. And. And one of the things that he did is he came over in the early days until. Because the. The Spanish when they first arrived were trying to figure out what the. Was going on with the Aztecs.

[Shane Gillis]

This is just 5,000.

[Jamie Vernon]

So maybe the number executed by Spanish Inquisition. But this is the Inquisition.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, I know. I just wanted to compare it to.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, okay.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

How much were the Aztecs sacrificing?

[Jamie Vernon]

Okay. In the. The consequence. Well, they don't know if it's accurate, but they do know that this one historical chronicler in the.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What are you.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, I've run this through perplexity. This guy Diaz said that 80,000 people were sacrificed over the course of four. Four days.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa, wait, what?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, it was the consecration of the temple. This is what's really crazy about the Aztecs. They didn't make any of those things.

[Shane Gillis]

They moved in all.

[Jamie Vernon]

They moved in and they called it. That's cool. The land where the gods were were born. And the. All these temples and all these insane pyramids, they didn't make any of them. They were all made by unknown people that were as many as a thousand years before them.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Jamie Vernon]

But not only was there, but it was covered. It was covered with jungle. They had to like chop down the jungle and they found all the. And they moved in, found a city.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Wow.

[Jamie Vernon]

Dude, they're still finding cities. They're still finding these.

[Shane Gillis]

Driving to the free freeway there and you see these like mountains that are like.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, that's his name.

[Joe Rogan]

Like it's clearly photos of that.

[Jamie Vernon]

His name is Duran, not Diaz. Interesting 16th century account. The 80, 80, 400 people were sacrificed during the four day 1487 rededication of the. No Chick temple mayor. I like that. Correction, not 80,000 exactly.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Just so you know it's wrong, it was actually 72, 344.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Historians treat Duran's figures as highly doubtful. Not an established count. Other early sources give sharply different totals. The Codex Telleriano romansis text says 4000, while interpreting its pictorial numbers alongside text can produce 20,000. Another chronicle. So like another chronicle, Torquemade Torquemada gave it 72,000. At the very least my original point. Thousands and thousands of people were killed.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

To compare the Spanish Inquisition to one day in Aztec Empire.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm just saying.

[Jamie Vernon]

Not even one day. Not even.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's a good thing, isn't that boy

[Jamie Vernon]

Showed up and said, isn't that crazy?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Shut it down.

[Shane Gillis]

How about a thousand a day?

[Joe Rogan]

Apocalypto.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a hell of a picture.

[Shane Gillis]

Is a good movie.

[Joe Rogan]

Great movie.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a phenomenal movie. I mean this place was. Mexico was wild. It was wild.

[Joe Rogan]

Good thing they up their act.

[Jamie Vernon]

I wonder what they called it back then. Cuz it wasn't Mexico. You know, it wasn't Mexico until 1820.

[Shane Gillis]

United States of Mexico.

[Jamie Vernon]

They owned this. They owned Texas from I think 1821 to 1816.

[Joe Rogan]

We beat him pretty easy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Or rather 1821 to 1836.

[Joe Rogan]

Took California very easily. Check out your boy Pulk. Exactly. Top five, bro. Yeah, he was a wild man.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Folk rules.

[Joe Rogan]

And I throw Andrew Jackson in there.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You got 2/3 of the entire country. One third of the entire country.

[Shane Gillis]

You ever look up Bolivar? Yeah, Bolivar ruled. Bolivar ruled. He was just.

[Joe Rogan]

What'd he do?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He took over all Latin America, South America, revolution.

[Jamie Vernon]

What year?

[Joe Rogan]

1988.

[Shane Gillis]

1818s. And then he had this General Sucre that was a. A beast. And then Santander.

[Jamie Vernon]

Imagine if we didn't intervene with Pablo Escobar. Imagine if we didn't get involved.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Let the boy rock.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let him cook.

[Shane Gillis]

Our problem.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I mean, we're not gonna let. Literally cook.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let him cook.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We're not gonna let somebody make money like that without us.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, that's part of the problem.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And we're buying it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, we're selling it.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean,

[Jamie Vernon]

Bill. Bill Clinton. Okay. Mina, Arkansas. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

True.

[Jamie Vernon]

They brought it in.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Barry Seals. Barry Seals was a CIA pilot who was flying drug plugs in.

[Joe Rogan]

Is that the movie American made? Yep, good movie.

[Jamie Vernon]

But Tom Cruise is handsome like Barry Seals was disgusting.

[Joe Rogan]

Pull him up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Hey, yeah, Talk about Barry like that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Good guy he knows, doing the best. Like, come on, that's a handsome guy.

[Joe Rogan]

God almighty.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Looks good.

[Shane Gillis]

It looks like he knows the line on everything.

[Jamie Vernon]

Great story line.

[Joe Rogan]

Indeed.

[Jamie Vernon]

Phenomenal story.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

For that would have been a significantly funnier movies.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true.

[Jamie Vernon]

It was pretty funny movie. And there's a real scene where he gets. Where Tom Cruise. Barry Seals. Tom Cruise playing Barry Seals gets arrested and Bill Clinton gets him out of jail. Mina, Arkansas. It was all. He was the governor of Arkansas at the time.

[Shane Gillis]

What's the reason?

[Jamie Vernon]

Because they were bringing coke into Arkansas. They found out because these two kids got killed. And they said that they did drugs and fell asleep on the train track. But their parents didn't believe. Believe it. So the parents funded an autopsy. They paid for an autopsy. And the autopsy found knife Wounds. These kids had been stabbed. So what happened was these kids had witness witnessed the coke drop. So what he would do is he'd fly over, he would throw the coke out of the airplane with, like, parachutes or whatever. It would land on the ground, and then he would land, and they would go back and pick up the coke. Well, these kids found the coke, and then they went to go grab the coke. And these kids were with the crew. Coke. And they killed the kids. And they killed the kids and laid their bodies on train tracks pretty good. And so this was what started. That's how people found out about the fact they were moving coke in through Mena, Arkansas. So Barry Seals was going to turn state's evidence, and he was going to. He was going to testify, and he got murdered. And when he got murdered on his way to trial, he had George Bush's phone number in his pocket.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa. This is good stuff. He almost ended the pod.

[Shane Gillis]

This was good stuff.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, it's not a good way to end it. We still got another.

[Joe Rogan]

Glad we did that.

[Jamie Vernon]

We got to eat. We got to do shows. You guys got to go out with Derosa.

[Joe Rogan]

Gotta get el come.

[Jamie Vernon]

We've been doing this for four hours.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, is it there? Jeez.

[Shane Gillis]

Definitely got to eat something. Let's go. Carbs is.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You don't have anything to do the to eat. I thought we were going to drink

[Jamie Vernon]

at the same time as opposed to what you're getting over there. In England, they're giving you gruel.

[Joe Rogan]

Blood pudding, dude.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I like food. Do like beans.

[Jamie Vernon]

They won't even let you have an apartment. They won't even let you have an apartment.

[Joe Rogan]

England's great.

[Jamie Vernon]

You sneak over here, you can get a free health care. You get a cell phone.

[Shane Gillis]

Schultz was like, do you miss New York real estate? I'm like, oh, my God, I do.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Well, that's just in your blood.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, why do you want to stay?

[Shane Gillis]

I like friction.

[Joe Rogan]

You like chaos.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You like to live.

[Jamie Vernon]

Bill Clinton consist consistently denied any knowledge or involvement in Seals operations. Operations of the media, logistics. During his tenure as governor, federal investigations did not produce evidence implicating Clinton. Interesting.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Interesting.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No way.

[Jamie Vernon]

Interesting. Put it in the movie and no one got sued. That's all you need to know. They put it in the movie and no one got sued.

[Joe Rogan]

He gets away with everything. You gotta. I mean, he's in a hot tub with a lady. They got photos.

[Jamie Vernon]

He's lived.

[Joe Rogan]

Living with Hillary.

[Jamie Vernon]

That dude lives in hell.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I just saw a meme recently that was nice about him and Monica Lewinsky. If that happened today, she would have been born in 04 and he would have been born in 77.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The age difference is wild.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Isn't that wild?

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, it's wild. Before the Internet presence just.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, man.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. Slay.

[Jamie Vernon]

LBJ used to take shits with his stall door open while he was talking to the press. Yeah, it was like a famous thing. He would like take a while, they would stand out. They would stand outside of his toilet and ask him questions. Trump doing that. The world was different then.

[Joe Rogan]

I heard Trump, who had that lunch with Trump and he said he drank 14 Diet Cokes in an hour. Wow. Bull that up if you can. J14.

[Jamie Vernon]

That doesn't even.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Liberal Internet.

[Jamie Vernon]

That doesn't even make sense.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a lot of Diet Coke.

[Jamie Vernon]

Just the volume of liquor.

[Joe Rogan]

Maybe it was too of liquid. Rather just says he drinks 12 in a day. Maybe.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, that makes more sense.

[Shane Gillis]

So much different.

[Joe Rogan]

I saw real.

[Jamie Vernon]

I believe that 12.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Why you gotta stop watching these reels and letting them dictate your reality.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. Your dad sent them to me.

[Jamie Vernon]

It is kind of amazing that he's 80.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Car with a cat.

[Joe Rogan]

I should get on that.

[Jamie Vernon]

No, I think he just turned 80.

[Joe Rogan]

Healthy.

[Shane Gillis]

Really?

[Jamie Vernon]

I think Trump just turned 80.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, he's only 80.

[Jamie Vernon]

I think his birthday was at the White House when we were at the ufc. That was for his birthday. That's why they did it in June. Chicken and not like July 4th.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

They did it June 14th, I believe, because it was Trump's birthday.

[Joe Rogan]

Ah, that's correct.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

80.

[Shane Gillis]

At some point you're like, you can't relate to most of the population.

[Jamie Vernon]

100.

[Joe Rogan]

You don't know what?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, impossible.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You can't relate to any human.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, yeah, Listen, it gets these levels like Shane can't relate to most people right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

A lot of people.

[Shane Gillis]

A lot of people.

[Joe Rogan]

Less.

[Jamie Vernon]

Less people. And it's slowly going to get weirder.

[Shane Gillis]

Hey, guys, change the tire in your maple.

[Jamie Vernon]

Trust me. Trust me.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you got a Maybach.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Meanwhile, you're talking about a use Tesla. Step up your game, son.

[Joe Rogan]

Is it here?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, it's in my house.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I guess you're drinking.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I got to see that Maybach.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Well, it's clearly for a car that has a driver. Oh, so I'm just driving a very nice back seat.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, but it's still, it's even driving. It's so smooth.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But I, I, I bought it. I left Austin for like a month. And then I came back and I

[Jamie Vernon]

was like, what am I doing?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Why would I ever have this? This is very embarrassing.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, the other one was so great. The other one was great. What's wrong with the other one?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Nice. A tree.

[Jamie Vernon]

Tree fell on it. That's right. I forgot about that.

[Shane Gillis]

Is that the one where those Tes would hug you when you went on a turn?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, bro. I went with them. We went to the dealership, and I. I felt. I told the dealer to shut up so I could sell it. I'm like, I know everything about this car.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Like, I'm going to get a Honda Accord. I don't need this. He was like, you want this, you

[Shane Gillis]

got to get this.

[Jamie Vernon]

I took him to the Mercedes dealership. I explained to him about the Escape class.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Class rules.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa, mama. That car is. That's like a Batmobile.

[Jamie Vernon]

Tracy got that after the accident.

[Joe Rogan]

Money, driving sick cars. Walmart. Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

That's a crazy car to drive in New York.

[Joe Rogan]

That's crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's a Ferraris.

[Shane Gillis]

All his money on craps.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Tracy Morgan.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that outfit.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Funny dude.

[Joe Rogan]

He's just driving through, like, Time Square and convenience and cars. They go to his house.

[Jamie Vernon]

Click on that one where your. Your cursor is. Look at that. He's got a Lambo road.

[Joe Rogan]

Jesus.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jesus.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the one he's driving right here, I think.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, baby.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Fun.

[Jamie Vernon]

But where are you gonna park it? And driving that thing in New York City is crazy. New York. Every time I go to New York City, I'm like, this is so nuts. How does anybody drive here?

[Joe Rogan]

It's a wild place to live.

[Jamie Vernon]

You still got that little bm?

[Joe Rogan]

I do. I drove it the other day. That car runs like a canyon. I've never had a problem with it. It's so good. I wash it outside my house like an American just hose, bucket, sponge. Felt good.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. 2002, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The roundy. Yeah. The round tail light.

[Jamie Vernon]

Great little old car. Those little old ones. Those 2002 BMWs. Was it from the 70s?

[Joe Rogan]

73.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. It's a great car.

[Joe Rogan]

Great car. No AC, no registration, no insurance. Manual. I'm riding dirty. Yeah. No.

[Jamie Vernon]

No insurance.

[Joe Rogan]

I tr. Fill it out. I couldn't do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

What does that mean?

[Joe Rogan]

I tried to get the forms.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're gonna target you now. I can't say that on the air.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it's illegal. Well, I've been doing it for years.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Insurance.

[Joe Rogan]

I have insurance.

[Jamie Vernon]

I've been doing it for years.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I have insurance.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't have health insurance.

[Jamie Vernon]

Either you don't.

[Joe Rogan]

I gotta figure that one out. Wow. I'm not good with filling things.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, me too. I get. I get like.

[Joe Rogan]

I just black out. I gloss over.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, get.

[Jamie Vernon]

Get a guy.

[Joe Rogan]

I got to get a guy. I need a Jew, Ari. Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Sometimes the problem is, like, I'm paying $600 for. I'll fill out the form.

[Joe Rogan]

And then you're like, well, here's the thing. I haven't had health insurance in years, and I've never had a health problem, so I feel like I saved. You did thousands and thousand tens of thousand dollars.

[Jamie Vernon]

You definitely did. Well, then you feel like the whole Luigi thing, like when you find out about how many people that have real legitimate claims and get. Get denied because the insurance companies just want to. You Right.

[Shane Gillis]

I was talking to Brigham. They said 10% of people that get denied follow up. So that's their business model is like, just say no and hopefully they go away.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We. We looked this up last time. It costs Americans more to have private health care than public.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. I believe it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wow.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So what are we doing?

[Joe Rogan]

Let's get it going, folks.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We got to get rid of these gay lobbies.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Say that again.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It cost Americans what costs more to have private health care than public cost

[Shane Gillis]

more to have private health care.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, it costs. Average Americans pay more for private health care than it would cost to have.

[Shane Gillis]

Okay.

[Joe Rogan]

Because most things private. I get why you're confused.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Private sounds better. Oh, private. Private security costs more than whatever.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But I'm probably wording that.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Know what you're saying. I get what you're saying. Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

See, this is a good podcast. People want to hear us.

[Jamie Vernon]

Solid drunk, talking about super good opinions. Jamie Grant. Jamie, bring up Robert E. Lee.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Don't get me started on custard Freebird.

[Joe Rogan]

Teddy. Teddy. I know it's hack, but Teddy Roosevelt.

[Shane Gillis]

Pres.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Poke's a deep cut. Poke. Somebody poke.

[Joe Rogan]

I love poke rules.

[Jamie Vernon]

Teddy Roosevelt is the reason why we have national parks.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes. Yes. A lot of stuff.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

He did a lot of retire from

[Shane Gillis]

president and go, I'm just gonna go risk my life.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But I think it was Teddy who did the. Call it the square deal, which is kind of what we're approaching, which he broke up all the guys that were making all the money. The. The 1%, basically.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He called it the square deal. Was that Teddy?

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Yeah. Focused on the three Cs. Fair consumer protection and control of giant corporations and conservation of natural.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

So we're getting close to. We need Yellowstone, where somebody's Willing to abuse their executive power to shut down whatever the we're doing right now.

[Jamie Vernon]

But the thing is like, don't you think that big business and corporations and super PACs and all these different things have gotten so deeply entwined in politics that if a guy ever tried to do anything remotely like that, they'd kill him?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we went too far.

[Jamie Vernon]

I mean, look, we thought Trump was going to do it. It's clearly he's not going to do it anymore.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You know, we're gonna have to. One or two guys are gonna have to get shot in the head.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm not gonna do it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Or something else gonna have to happen. Some. Some other radical change.

[Shane Gillis]

They're so intertwined now.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's like you can't exactly. There's so much dirty.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What are we gonna give up, fellas?

[Joe Rogan]

No, we can't lose it. No, we got a good thing going.

[Jamie Vernon]

We gotta get somebody. It's funny how killing the politicians slowly but surely people try to turn every everything into some sort of a totalitarian government. They slowly want more and more power, more and more control. They want more to siphon more and more money. It's just over time. That's always what you're fighting against. Always.

[Joe Rogan]

But don't you feel like we're at a boiling point? It feels like something's gonna happen.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. It's pitchfork error.

[Jamie Vernon]

Something should happen because if it doesn't happen, then we're all gonna be.

[Shane Gillis]

No one could get a home. No one can pay their bills.

[Jamie Vernon]

Cameras.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, we're talking about communism, Upper west

[Jamie Vernon]

side, where your people live. Yeah, it's like devoid of flock cameras.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't see that, actually.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's very weird.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

That can't be one complexity, Jamie. Yeah, One section of New York City is devoid of flock cameras.

[Shane Gillis]

What's a flock camera?

[Jamie Vernon]

It's these weird cameras that are everywhere.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

AI is going to say, that's not true.

[Jamie Vernon]

Everything's fine. Everything's fine.

[Shane Gillis]

Spy cameras?

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, those cameras that are everywhere. Like, I had Mark Andreessen on who invests in flock cameras, and it was right. See there? That's the spot.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, half of that.

[Shane Gillis]

Half of that is facts. Central Park.

[Jamie Vernon]

Shut the up. The cameras are in Central Park.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The rest is. Yeah, of course you defend it.

[Shane Gillis]

Well, I mean, just like show you defend it. Just like move that red line up.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Cameras on the other side.

[Jamie Vernon]

Shut up, Ari.

[Shane Gillis]

Double the stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

But there's Jews all over Brooklyn.

[Jamie Vernon]

Why don't you put a little box in your fore. Shut the up.

[Shane Gillis]

Just the wealthy.

[Jamie Vernon]

It Is the wealthy probably that too. It's probably wealthy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

But that's because Upper west side, very expensive real estate.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Jewish people. It is rich.

[Jamie Vernon]

Listen, it's not 100. There's a ton of gentiles in the Upper west side. It's just rich people. That's really what it is. I bet Upper east side is probably pretty similar.

[Shane Gillis]

No, notably, it's very.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The Upper west side is notably Jewish.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, true. But I'm Terms of flock cameras, it's pretty special. I wonder if they're singling out the Upper west west side versus the Upper east side. I bet the Upper east side, which is also, like, super wealthy. Yeah, I bet they don't have a lot of flock cameras.

[Shane Gillis]

Rob cars.

[Jamie Vernon]

They're not flock brands. Sorry for the confusion. However, there are a few flock cams in New York City, so there's just a bunch of security cameras all over the place that we didn't see coming. So the thing is, it's like, with it, within two years, there's been hundreds of thousands of these cameras installed all over the country.

[Shane Gillis]

Release date.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah. And real quick, like, before you even saw it happening, I mean, they're everywhere there.

[Shane Gillis]

They're everywhere you can. I've looked to see what I can shoplift. I'm like, damn, those cameras everywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's a tough time. Something's got to get police.

[Shane Gillis]

What happened here.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's a tough time. And time at the same time.

[Joe Rogan]

That's true. Let's look at the positive. It's a lot of great.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

We got college football coming that they're trying to ruin.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's trying to.

[Jamie Vernon]

To ruin it?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

And IO not a big deal.

[Jamie Vernon]

In what way?

[Shane Gillis]

Trying to take it away.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Don't get me started.

[Jamie Vernon]

What are they trying to do?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Super conferences. I mean, the whole thing's a disaster, Joe.

[Shane Gillis]

Also, they're gambling on basketball now. Players are just fully throwing games.

[Joe Rogan]

And, like, you see that the gambling's out of control.

[Shane Gillis]

The game was crazy. Trying to get rebounds, to get whatever hit, all that.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wow. Torn on that. I feel like I like the fact that you can gamble on anything if you. You want to.

[Shane Gillis]

Can you gamble on when the next project our perks is. Is that a cashy thing you can do?

[Jamie Vernon]

I bet you could. I bet that's a poly market thing.

[Joe Rogan]

But we don't even know. Like, how do they know?

[Shane Gillis]

But we will.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, Jamie pulled up. There was a poly market thing. There was a poly market thing on. On this podcast. There was a thing on this podcast that Jamie Pulled up, I go close that website. Never open it up again. Like, you can't know. Like you can't know what people are gambling. Gambling on.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, because you know.

[Jamie Vernon]

Because it can't influence you. Also, like, I don't want anybody else to know either what they're gambling on. Like, I don't.

[Joe Rogan]

You.

[Jamie Vernon]

They'll get you.

[Shane Gillis]

But gambling's tough. It's gonna ruin.

[Jamie Vernon]

Didn't that congressman guy who got acquitted? The gay guy? Yes, the guy from Brazil. Oh, the guy from Brazil. No, no, no. What's his name?

[Joe Rogan]

Polo.

[Jamie Vernon]

The one who lies about a bunch of stuff.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yes.

[Shane Gillis]

I swear to God, Joseph.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jimmy, you know I'm talking about chubby boy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Chubby gay guy.

[Jamie Vernon]

Who said funny dude, like volleyball funny dude. Apparently George Santos.

[Joe Rogan]

George Santos Santos.

[Jamie Vernon]

There was something about him saying that he was going to show up at some State of the Union speech. I'm definitely showing up. And then he vote. He bet that he wouldn't show up.

[Shane Gillis]

Wow,

[Joe Rogan]

that's pretty smart.

[Jamie Vernon]

Allegedly. Allegedly. DOJ's investigating former congressman George Santos for insider training on CO Kalshi. Yeah, hilarious.

[Shane Gillis]

You can't inside a trade on Kalshi.

[Jamie Vernon]

But I mean, it's like, like, like they had on.

[Shane Gillis]

It was like, why are you lying about everything?

[Jamie Vernon]

He's like, oh, you lied about everything. He lied about being Jewish. He said, no, no, no, I'm Jewish. I'm kind of like, totally full of.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

But I'm just saying I'm like, frugal.

[Shane Gillis]

I get a lot of diarrhea.

[Jamie Vernon]

I get a lot of diarrhea.

[Joe Rogan]

Diarrhea.

[Jamie Vernon]

You should go to a doctor, dude. You shouldn't just deal with that.

[Joe Rogan]

But I think the Internet is a big part of why we're so. Yeah, but you can't get rid of the Internet.

[Shane Gillis]

Well, I hate regulation, but you got to do something with it.

[Joe Rogan]

So what do we do? That's what I'm saying.

[Shane Gillis]

Regulating that. It's so bad for people.

[Joe Rogan]

It's horrible. It's ruinous.

[Jamie Vernon]

Well, you got to teach people to stay off it.

[Shane Gillis]

But also you got to be like society. You're turning everyone against each other.

[Jamie Vernon]

But the problem is they're made. They've made so much money doing it, and there's so much money now. These corporations are holding that they have so much influence over politicians. It's. It's really an extraordinary time where these tech oligarchs are really in control of a giant chunk of the narrative that shapes society, shapes our economy, shapes our. Our social systems. It shapes everything. All there's so much going on right now that it's being manipulated by just a small amount of people. It's kind of. Kind of nuts. And nobody saw it coming.

[Shane Gillis]

They make comedians turn other comedians so they could sell everybody's snickers.

[Jamie Vernon]

I gotta pee again. Have you not gone yet?

[Joe Rogan]

Not yet.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

He's had three drinks.

[Joe Rogan]

I'll see you. Now he's on his third.

[Jamie Vernon]

Amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

Hey, beer bong. Couple other beers. Whiskey.

[Shane Gillis]

I'm blown out.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

One with. This is your second whiskey.

[Joe Rogan]

Third whiskey.

[Shane Gillis]

Give me a dram of that.

[Joe Rogan]

Hit it, baby. Can you catch it?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yes. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a lot of glass.

[Shane Gillis]

You.

[Joe Rogan]

That's short. Oh, sorry.

[Shane Gillis]

I came back for it.

[Joe Rogan]

Steve.

[Shane Gillis]

Lar.

[Joe Rogan]

You got it. You got it. All right.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

All right, J. Toss up.

[Joe Rogan]

We got to figure out what we're doing tonight. Cuz I don't want you to go to bed. If you go home, it's over.

[Shane Gillis]

We got to. It's like out.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

I'm just doing stand up right now.

[Shane Gillis]

No, I'm not doing stand up tonight.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, I'm. We're going out.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Stand up right now.

[Joe Rogan]

Should I not do standup?

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, we're going to go. We're going to be till 9:30 before we get out of there. It's like going to start.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah, I'm definitely, ah. I'm not going to the club. I'm going to go to o'.

[Shane Gillis]

Neal's. Coming out. Edge is coming out.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice.

[Shane Gillis]

You keep saying Edgar the Edge.

[Joe Rogan]

I didn't know his nickname either. How do we know his nickname the Edge.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Call him the Edge. Who started calling him the Edge?

[Shane Gillis]

Tony.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Tony calls him the Edge.

[Shane Gillis]

We all do. I'll never. The Edge.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Dude, if you're getting your juice from Tony, you're gay.

[Shane Gillis]

No, we all do.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you guys.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Tony call something.

[Shane Gillis]

We all call them the Edge.

[Joe Rogan]

Did y' all go to the Garden where you guys were in town?

[Shane Gillis]

London, England.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Charleston, South Carolina.

[Joe Rogan]

I was an sf. That's a great town.

[Shane Gillis]

San Francisco rules.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

It's San Francisco does rule. I always thought it ruled even in its darkest hour.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, I like the signs they put up. Like, hey, if you leave anything in your car, it won't be there. Like, hey, we'll try to help. It's like, just don't do that. Yeah, it's super rich people, good bar, hoping in town.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yes, yes. The water, Chinese food, the Italian food. North Beach.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, Italian food too. It's great there.

[Joe Rogan]

I think Costco does rule. Oh, my God. Great.

[Shane Gillis]

Walker, you can walk across the whole.

[Joe Rogan]

It's great.

[Jamie Vernon]

If you like the smell of human,

[Joe Rogan]

there is some human.

[Shane Gillis]

It's amazing. If you like this, you gotta ignore that.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

You gotta ignore it. Yeah, it's good. If you're a black lab. If you're a golden. If you're a golden retriever, you're gonna love it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. The whole city smells nuts. Hobos, New York City.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Chinatown of the summer.

[Jamie Vernon]

Trust me. You don't even know where to piss. Like, I was crazy. I'm just gonna squat right here. This place is nuts. Giant toilet. Well, it used to be so good, dude. I did a Special there in 2016, and there was nothing wrong with the city.

[Joe Rogan]

Where?

[Jamie Vernon]

At the Fillmore in San Francisco. And it was amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

Triggered.

[Jamie Vernon]

I did triggered at the Fillmore.

[Shane Gillis]

It's back. Their new mayor is like, we got to get live music here, because if people don't go out, it won't.

[Jamie Vernon]

The new mayor is ready to clean things up.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Shane Gillis]

Starting with live music, you got to go have people come out to stuff.

[Jamie Vernon]

You got to patrol the streets.

[Shane Gillis]

They're doing it.

[Jamie Vernon]

Clean up the homeless encampments. You got to put people in mental institutions. You got to get them clean.

[Joe Rogan]

Use Alcatraz. It's right there. Put them all in there.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's going to take time. It's like you they it up over the period. Over a period of 8 to 10 years. It's going to take 30 to fix it. Nah, it's going to take so long to fix that.

[Shane Gillis]

It's always been homeless.

[Jamie Vernon]

And there's so many people that are so attached to that whole idea.

[Joe Rogan]

Always been great sections, always.

[Shane Gillis]

But, like, compared to 20 years where

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

we're at right now.

[Shane Gillis]

No, no, I'm saying San Francisco's never been, like, clean.

[Joe Rogan]

Sorry.

[Jamie Vernon]

Listen to me. Right now, America's like, remember. I remember during the Reagan administration. During the Reagan here, too.

[Shane Gillis]

It's not. I'm saying it's not just. It got bad there.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

There's always been homeless. We'll be all right.

[Jamie Vernon]

During the Reagan administration, that's when homeless people really started becoming a thing because they changed the whole distinction with mental institutions. They let people go and they just let them out, and they were just wandering around. It was noticeable.

[Joe Rogan]

And I remember.

[Jamie Vernon]

Remember this? And then it really didn't change until, like, 2016, 17, then you started to see tents, and it's like, this is weird. They're just allowing tents. And then 18, 19, it ramped up, and then during the pandemic, it just caught fire.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, yeah. It's bad.

[Shane Gillis]

L. A was like, just downtown. A little pocket, and then it spread all the way to like.

[Jamie Vernon]

Oh, it wasn't a little pocket, dude. I was filming fear factor there. No, but 55. Five skid row is 55.

[Shane Gillis]

Spread all the way down Sunset. It's everywhere. It was just as Skid row is the whole city.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, the city is great, but the solid 55 blocks is skid row.

[Joe Rogan]

It's wild.

[Jamie Vernon]

Burn it, get from out of it.

[Shane Gillis]

If it was zombies, it would just

[Joe Rogan]

throw bombs, bears out there. Something just run them over, kill them, eat them.

[Jamie Vernon]

You got to do something.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I was at the. The Tenderloin at a hotel, and they go. I go, what should I do around here? I was asking the desk lady. She just goes, don't turn right.

[Shane Gillis]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Don't turn. That's the hotel lady. Don't go to the right. Just go left. Like, that's half the city.

[Jamie Vernon]

Meanwhile, how. What's the invisible barrier? They have dog collars on with electricity. Like, what's. What's going left?

[Joe Rogan]

New York's good right now.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

New York's fine. Regular homeless.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah, regular. He goes, the problem. New York City homeless doesn't get out of line because every 10 years or so, we burn what alive.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Immigrant shows up, lights one on fire,

[Joe Rogan]

keeps you in check. Now they're all, like, tap dancing. And they got. At least a New York homeless guy has got, like, moves.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Well, I. I always had a preference for east coast homeless. Heroin. They were asleep.

[Shane Gillis]

And they go away in the winter. They don't breed during the winter.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Sleeping.

[Joe Rogan]

They dance.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

West coast homeless are all meth. They'll scream and chase you.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, you go to Salt Lake City, you get chased.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Screaming and chasing.

[Jamie Vernon]

They have bad homes.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh, city's bad for homeless.

[Joe Rogan]

Methadone. Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That was quick. That was quick because that was quick. I started standing up out in Salt Lake. I was like, this is the best city.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

This is the cleanest, nicest city.

[Joe Rogan]

Wise guys. Yeah, beautiful.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

On the way in, great club. My buddies. I was like, wait till you see how nice this is. And we landed, and there's 10 homeless guys chasing us, right?

[Joe Rogan]

And then you got to bring them young, and it's like utopia, that campus.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

The Mormons.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, the Mormons don't around Homeless.

[Shane Gillis]

Yeah. But. Yeah, I don't know why no one's talking about that in politics.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Homelessness.

[Shane Gillis]

Homelessness and fent. Yeah, clean it up. They don't see any party talking about it.

[Jamie Vernon]

I mean, they. They do when it comes around insensitive. The problem is there's so much money in maintaining it.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

That's true.

[Joe Rogan]

Money and homelessness. What a. What a.

[Shane Gillis]

Like they're breaking an original cars.

[Jamie Vernon]

$4 billion California spent and done nothing but increase the homeless. Homelessness.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. The wrong area burned.

[Shane Gillis]

And every. Every city, every big city, it explodes. Yep.

[Jamie Vernon]

And it's recent. It's a new thing. And you know, LA has had skid row forever. Because what they would used to do with skid rows, it would take people from. Like, if there was a vagrant in Hollywood, they would take them. They would just put them in skid row. They stay here, and they would literally like block them in. They would give them like food services. So long. It wasn't that small, dude, it's an illusion. I was filming and Fear Factor there in like 2004 or five. And I was driving home and I took the wrong turn. I was like, what the. It was just blocks and blocks of cardboard boxes.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Yes.

[Jamie Vernon]

And it was only skid row. Skid row was nuts, man. It was. Even then it was nuts. Now it's 55 blocks. Do you understand how insane that is? Like, what 55 blocks looks like on a green.

[Joe Rogan]

No, it's.

[Jamie Vernon]

It's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's always been that size. I think back in the 30s, there was somewhere in the range of 10, 000 homeless people there, and there's 4400 now.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

There's zero chances.

[Jamie Vernon]

There's more homeless people now than there were in the 30s or in the 30s. There was more than there is now.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, that was the population of la.

[Jamie Vernon]

Wait a minute. How many are there now? How many other now it says 4, 400. That's not true.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Liberal dot com.

[Shane Gillis]

You ever get an AI answer and they go, are you sure about that? And they go, yeah, good point.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jamie's a goddamn fed.

[Joe Rogan]

This is crazy.

[Jamie Vernon]

This is all Karen Bass. Her statistics,

[Shane Gillis]

it's estimated. It's now estimated 4400. The population has been there since the 30s. But it wasn't that number.

[Jamie Vernon]

Estimate it was in the 30s. Okay, but put this estimate in. How many homeless people are there in LA? Because the estimate is somewhere north of 70,000.

[Shane Gillis]

I think it's spread past get row.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Can you just highlight that citation? Which one?

[Jamie Vernon]

Number four.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

What was it estimated

[Joe Rogan]

from times in 20?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

2023. LA times liberal. Well, I mean 2023.

[Jamie Vernon]

Biden administration. I don't believe it. There's. So 55 blocks is not four, 4,000 people. It's just not. It's a lot more than that. They lie.

[Shane Gillis]

I think it's Pascal.

[Jamie Vernon]

Also, they're not showing up and saying, mike, are you homeless then? They're not.

[Joe Rogan]

No, they chasing.

[Jamie Vernon]

They don't have an accurate count. Okay. Los Angeles has approximately 73,000 homeless people in Los Angeles County. And 45,000 are the city of Los Angeles. And by the way, just to get guess, they're not accurate. They're not doing a great job of it.

[Shane Gillis]

It's only a 3% increase over two years earlier, which is a lot.

[Jamie Vernon]

Shut your dirty hole, you lying communist. It's. It's probably 100,000. They don't even know. People move there just for the services and the weather. Yeah, it's a great place to be homeless. You could survive sleeping on the street.

[Shane Gillis]

You don't free hanging outside Trey's house.

[Joe Rogan]

They say they're testing the fent on the dog. Dogs?

[Shane Gillis]

What do you mean?

[Joe Rogan]

You hear that?

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

No, what?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, see if it's. It'll kill them. So they hit dogs.

[Shane Gillis]

Oh my God.

[Joe Rogan]

That's the rumor.

[Jamie Vernon]

Jesus Christ.

[Joe Rogan]

It's all real.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Oh, the reels are nuts.

[Joe Rogan]

I know. Mostly.

[Jamie Vernon]

Yeah, that and your dad.

[Shane Gillis]

Those people.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Well, that's AI dogs. And then I get, you know, like boys.

[Jamie Vernon]

Let's wrap this up.

[Joe Rogan]

All right.

[Jamie Vernon]

All right, it's almost six o'. Clock.

[Shane Gillis]

Everybody see tires on Netflix right now.

[Jamie Vernon]

Show everybody text message Ari, because I know you got his phone number. And tell him get the out of England.

[Shane Gillis]

But do find me mushrooms or weed.

[Jamie Vernon]

I'm definitely Mark Norman.

[Shane Gillis]

Where you.

[Tony Hinchcliffe]

Where you at?

[Joe Rogan]

I'm all over the road. Check my website. I'm doing clubs. And build a new hour. We might be drunk Tuesdays stories. I got an hour on Netflix that came out this year. We not too pleased. I see you all in hell. Praise Allah. Comic.

[Jamie Vernon]

Love you guys. Bye.