#2540 - Travis Barker

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: The Joe Rogan Experience
Episode: #2540 – Travis Barker
Date: August 14, 2026
Host: Joe Rogan
Guest: Travis Barker (Drummer, Blink-182)
Main Theme: Overcoming trauma, resilience, obsession, and the journey of healing following a near-fatal plane crash; reflections on career, music, health, lifestyle, fitness, veganism, family, and community.

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Joe Rogan Experience features iconic drummer Travis Barker, focusing on the release of Barker’s documentary "Since the Crash," which details his recovery and personal growth after surviving a 2008 plane crash that killed close friends and left him with severe burns. The conversation explores overcoming trauma, the pursuit of mastery, lessons in fatherhood and family, mental and physical health (including lifestyle, veganism, and recovery protocols), and the importance of resilience in achieving greatness. Barker and Rogan also discuss music, fitness, community, and the sometimes toxic landscape of online criticism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fatherhood and Family

• Father-Son Bond
  • Barker opens with warmth about his relationship with his son, highlighting mutual separation anxiety and the joy of time spent together.
    • “He has separation anxiety from me, as I do with him. It’s the best, man.” (00:25 – Travis Barker)
• The Unique Love of Being a Parent
  • Rogan and Barker reflect on the unmatched love and connection with children and express confusion over parents who choose not to spend time with theirs.
    • “People that don’t have kids... you don’t understand the level of love...” (00:40 – Joe Rogan)
• Personal Growth as a Father
  • Barker shares how overcoming his own fears (like flying) set an example for his kids, breaking a "spell" of trauma.

2. Reliving and Overcoming Plane Crash Trauma

• Documentary Process
  • Barker describes the journey of creating his documentary, beginning after the release of his book. The lack of an “ending” mirrored his ongoing struggle with flying and survivor’s guilt.
  • He refused staged reenactments tied to his trauma until he achieved genuine healing.
    • “The restriction I gave myself is I’d never fly again, you know, and I broke it and I fly again.” (04:48 – Travis Barker)
• Years Without Flying
  • For 20 years post-crash, Barker avoided flying, going to extreme lengths (tour bus, Queen Mary 2 transatlantic crossings) to avoid planes.
    • “I lost 20 years with this thing having power over me.” (05:02 – Travis Barker)
• First Flight After 20 Years
  • Barker’s return to flight was possible due to the support of his wife and a need to give his children a healthier relationship with travel and trauma.
    • “The flight was awesome. Had none of the awful nightmares I had fabricated in my head...” (06:33 – Travis Barker)
• Survivor’s Guilt & Community
  • He discusses meeting others with similar trauma, notably Reva, a plane crash survivor, and connecting over the shared human experience of survival and loss.
    • “It was just cool. I said, you know, it’s just as cool for me to meet you as it is for you to meet me.” (10:37 – Travis Barker)

3. Physical & Psychological Recovery

• Burn Recovery & Hospitalization
  • Barker details his six months in a burn center:
    • 30 surgeries
    • 70% of his body burned
    • Flirtation with amputation
    • Extreme dietary requirements (6,000+ calories/day)
    • Secretly eating vegan/vegetarian food in a hospital focused on meat for protein.
    • “30 surgeries in six months ... trying to get enough [calories].” (22:59 – Travis Barker)
• Getting Sober
  • Surviving trauma served as a forced rehab, with Barker emerging sober and intent on never using drugs again.
    • “My accident was my rehab.” (25:31 – Travis Barker)
• Challenges with Therapy
  • Explains difficulties with hyperbaric chamber (for burn recovery) due to claustrophobia and trauma reminders.

4. Resilience, Obsession, and Success

• Reliving Trauma for the Documentary
  • Resurfacing old wounds for the sake of storytelling was emotionally trying but ultimately rewarding, providing a positive ending and hope for viewers facing adversity.
    • “To tell the truth... talking about certain parts of the doc is gutting me with a knife.” (28:05 – Travis Barker)
• Turning Hardship Into Drive
  • After his crash and other life challenges (like losing his mom at 13), Barker threw himself into drumming obsessively.
  • “Every time my mom dies, what do I do? I throw myself into music… join marching band, orchestra, jazz band.” (33:23 – Travis Barker)
• Discipline & Obsession as Keys
  • Both Barker and Rogan advocate obsession and relentless practice as the surest path to excellence—no shortcuts, only process.
    • “You have to be fucking obsessed and you got to be relentless while all your homies are out doing whatever. You should be practicing.” (31:53 – Travis Barker)
• Quote on Resilience:
  • “The big one is that you can overcome, that no matter how fucked up things are, if you keep going ... you’ll come out better.” (31:12 – Joe Rogan)

5. Community, Inspiration, and the Power of Example

• Role Models and Giving Back
  • Their stories can offer hope and light for others, especially young people without mentors.
    • “There’s a lot of young people out there that don’t have anybody like you in their life, and they can see it and relate to you and ... it can change a young person’s life.” (37:42 – Joe Rogan)
• Value of Environment
  • On the importance of surrounding yourself with driven people, whether in music, comedy, or sports (like Austin’s Jiu-Jitsu/MMA explosion during the pandemic).
    • “You are who you... you’re the closest five people that are around you.” (45:51 – Travis Barker)

6. Health, Diet, and Lifestyle

• Veganism & Nutrition
  • Barker is a long-time vegan (vegetarian since childhood), convinced of the health and ethical benefits but open-minded toward others.
  • He ensures his own nutrition is dialed in with high lentil and bean intake for protein, raw foods, and plant-based “egg” substitutes.
  • His family is mixed in their diets—he encourages autonomy.
    • “That’s just what works for me.” (125:48 – Travis Barker)
• Supplements & Natural Remedies
  • Barker avoids conventional medicine (painkillers, Advil, Tylenol), favoring natural remedies (beet juice, ginseng, turmeric) and explains his daily beet shots for blood flow due to a genetic clotting disorder.
    • “I have a blood disorder—Factor 5. So I pretty much have a beet shot every day, baby aspirin... I do it every show.” (113:59 – Travis Barker)
• Genetic Blood Disorder & Implants
  • Barker has a rare Factor 5 gene, requiring a permanent filter inside his body to prevent clots—a side effect of the trauma and extended recovery.
• Recovery Protocols
  • Rogan discusses PRP (regenechine), stem cells, and modern recovery options, cautioning against overuse of certain pain meds.

7. Fitness, Drumming, and Recovery

• Functional Training
  • Barker trains like an athlete—not for bulk but for stamina, speed, and fast-twitch performance to enhance drumming and martial arts.
    • “My goal... is to be able to think something and do it—execute stamina wise, endurance wise, and skill wise.” (49:54 – Travis Barker)
• Jiu Jitsu and Boxing
  • He discusses training with Jean Jacques Machado and how martial arts instills humility, discipline, and community.
• Contrast Therapy
  • Advocates sauna and cold plunge for recovery, emphasizing holistic and natural approaches.

8. On Haters, Social Media & Punk Philosophy

• Navigating Criticism
  • Barker talks about online hate, especially regarding his relationship with Kourtney Kardashian, and his rejection of negative energy.
    • “That’s the most punk thing I could do is marry a Kardashian and just say fuck you.” (136:11 – Travis Barker)
• Finding Strength in Scrutiny
  • Quoting Lil Wayne and Cat Williams’ comedy, the consensus: haters are a natural byproduct of success.
    • “You haven’t made it until you have haters.” (138:02 – Travis Barker)
• Punk as Philosophy
  • Being “punk” is not about music or fashion but about authenticity, individuality, and disregarding judgment as long as you do no harm.

9. Cars and Collecting

• Classic Car Addiction
  • Barker shares his deep love of classic cars (Chevys, Cadillacs, K5s, Impalas) and his experience restoring, driving, and maintaining them.
  • Discusses new “Raptor-style” trucks, daily driving, and practical/nostalgic vehicle choices.

10. Music Culture, Skateboarding, and Style

• Skateboarding’s Influence
  • Explores how skateboarding shaped youth culture, fashion, and musical taste, blending punk, rap, and rebellion into a lasting style.
    • “Skateboarding and punk rock were like this... But everything from the time skate videos were released, they were teaching everyone what the coolest music was.” (142:59 – Travis Barker)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Overcoming the Fear of Flying:
  “I lost 20 years with this thing having power over me.” (05:02 – Travis Barker)

• On Resilience:
  “Everything people said I couldn’t do after that, I would just check them off one by one.” (03:57 – Travis Barker)

• On Discipline and Obsession:
  “You’ve got to be fucking obsessed and you got to be relentless... all your homies... should be practicing.” (31:53 – Travis Barker)

• On Punk Rock Attitude:
  “Punk is not about music... you are who you are and you’re not hurting anybody. That’s punk rock.” (137:25 – Travis Barker)

• On Haters:
  “You haven’t made it until you have haters. You know you’re successful the minute they start hating on you.” (138:02 – Travis Barker)

• Cat Williams Clip (on haters):
  “If there’s any haters in here right now that don’t have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me.” (139:37 – Cat Williams, via playback)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:06 – Barker announces his documentary release, shares the journey of filming and the paralysis of trauma.
• 04:59 – 20 years of not flying, the power trauma had over his life.
• 06:33 – First flight post-crash and the emotional impact on family and healing.
• 23:10 – Surgeries, burn recovery diet, and feedings in the hospital.
• 25:31 – Plane crash as an unexpected rehab and the journey to sobriety.
• 28:05 – Emotional toll of reliving trauma for the documentary.
• 31:53 – The importance of obsession and discipline for mastery.
• 45:51 – On the value of peer environment: "You are the closest five people that are around you."
• 113:59 – Barker’s blood disorder (Factor 5) and his approach to blood thinners and recovery.
• 136:11 – Barker on punk attitude and criticism of marrying into the Kardashian family.
• 137:25 – Defining “punk rock” as living true to oneself, regardless of outside opinion.
• 139:37 – Cat Williams’ “haters” bit played and discussed for perspective on criticism.

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Episode Flow Summary

1. Opening: Barker and Rogan reconnect, discuss fatherhood and the unconditional love for kids.
2. Documentary Discussion: Barker details the doc’s origins and the psychological journey of healing.
3. The Plane Crash: In-depth deconstruction of Barker’s trauma, the aftermath, physical and emotional recovery, and ultimate return to flying.
4. Health and Rehab: Barker’s candid recount of life in the burn center, dietary struggles, sobriety, and the long arc of recovery—including managing a rare blood disorder.
5. Philosophy of Resilience: The role of relentless discipline, obsession, and a supportive environment in achieving success; teaching these values to children.
6. Music, Skateboard, and Culture: The inseparable link between skateboarding, punk rock, and individual style.
7. Fitness and Athleticism: Application of athletic principles to drumming, Jiu Jitsu, MMA; performance, stamina, and recovery.
8. Community and Inspiration: The value of mentors, mutual inspiration, the Austin creative scene, and building a positive support system.
9. Haters and Online Negativity: Rational, humorous, and “punk” perspectives on haters, social media, and living publicly.
10. Conclusion: Promotion for Barker’s documentary "Since the Crash," plus reflections on legacy, inspiration, and living authentically.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a powerful testament to the possibilities of post-traumatic growth, discipline, and authenticity. Travis Barker opens up vulnerably about surviving and healing after a life-changing accident, turning suffering into empathy, artistry, and ultimately, public inspiration. The dialogue is enriched with practical advice for musicians, athletes, parents, and anyone seeking resilience and purpose amid adversity.

Documentary featured: Since the Crash (Available on Hulu, discussed at 147:20)

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Transcript

[Travis Barker]

Joe Rogan Podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan Experience. Join my day Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

[Joe Rogan]

We're up. What's. Oh, it's good to see you, brother. What's cracking?

[Travis Barker]

Good to be seen, man. Stoked to be here.

[Joe Rogan]

Stoked to have you, man.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What a cute kid you have, dude.

[Travis Barker]

Thank you. Thank you. He's the best man. So blessed.

[Joe Rogan]

He loves you. When you're trying to put him down,

[Travis Barker]

he's like, no, I think it's because I just spent. We just went to Utah, and I had three or five days with them. Just, like, a lot of time with him, and he has separation anxiety from me, as I do with him. I'm like, it's the best, man.

[Joe Rogan]

People that don't have kids, it's like, you don't understand the level of love that you have for them.

[Travis Barker]

It's.

[Joe Rogan]

It's really crazy.

[Travis Barker]

Or people who have kids and don't hang out with their kids like that. I just. I don't get it.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't get it either.

[Travis Barker]

I'll spend every second I can with my kids.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's weird. It's weird that people. Maybe it's something that happened to them when they were young or something. I don't know.

[Travis Barker]

But. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So what's cracking? What's. What's the latest?

[Travis Barker]

I mean, my doc came out today. Today, so. Yeah. Yep. Long time coming.

[Joe Rogan]

What was that experience like?

[Travis Barker]

Well, the beginning of it was. Was shortly after my book came out, so I kind of understood why people wanted a dock from me at that point. And I was. I was honored and I was flattered, and I was, you know, going down the journey of filming this doc, but it didn't really have an ending. I guess the light at the end of the tunnel during that time around 2017 was that I was sober and I survived a plane crash, but really, I was struggling with ever flying again, struggling with survivor's guilt, struggling with a lot of stuff. And at the time, the directors had mentioned to me, like, can you just look at a plane or act like you're gonna go fly in a plane or walk towards a plane? I was like, fuck, no. I would never. I can't even consider it. I can't even do it for you, for, like, fantasy purposes, for the end of this dock, you know? And I think that set in after a while where I had to acknowledge and just understand I was afraid to ever fly again. And this thing had huge power over me to the point where it dictated how I got on tour. How many days? I'd travel on bus to New York, how many days I'd be on The Queen Mary 2 going to England.

[Joe Rogan]

How long would that take?

[Travis Barker]

Oh, dude, so long.

[Joe Rogan]

The England one's crazy.

[Travis Barker]

Comfortably on the bus from here to New York, probably six or seven days if you want to stop at hotels and, you know, I toured with my kids, you know, their whole life. So stopping and doing some cool stuff for them, six, seven days and then a 10 day boat ride from, from New York to the Hamptons. It's crazy. Yeah. So yeah, my band would leave, they'd be in England in 10 hours, whatever it would take me three weeks sucked. And then sometimes I'd be on the Queen Mary 2 and we'd have wild weather, 30 foot waves, 170 mile per hour winds. And I was like, is this any better than being on a plane? But

[Joe Rogan]

the ocean freaks me out.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Started to in particular, they freaked me out.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, we got into a couple storms on one of the transatlantic crossings that, yeah, believe me, like something was festering inside where I had this urge to, to, to try to figure out what had this power over me, which was flying and.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, it's totally understandable.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I think about it every day after a certain point and then. Plus my kids, you know, they grew up not flying. They grew up associating a plane to a metal container where people die, I think, you know, unfortunately, because that's what happened, you know, to my two best friends and the two pilots who were on my plane. So, yeah, it was hard. And then I knew the day I did it, I could show them that they could also do it. And it would probably break the, the trauma and the spell that my, my accident caused however many years ago. And yeah, I think after my accident and that whole process, I just. Everything people said I couldn't do after that, I would just check them off one by one. Oh, you're not going to run again? Oh, you're not going to play drums again? Oh, you're not, you're not going to do this again. And the one that I gave myself, the restriction I gave myself is I'd never fly again, you know, and I, I broke it and I fly again.

[Joe Rogan]

And how many years did it take you before you got on a plane again?

[Travis Barker]

20. And I even think back to that. I'm like, 20 years. I lost 20 years with this thing having power over me. But it just, it was like a monster. It kept getting bigger and bigger and I was like, I gotta, well, you

[Joe Rogan]

gotta look at it like in terms of the odds you survived a plane crash, which is. The odds of that are astronomical. The odds of you getting in another plane crash are super low. Yeah, I know. Nobody thinks about it like that because it's the opposite, because you've actually experienced it. So you know what it is? Like, oh, my God, this is a real possibility.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I can see that now. Because my. My son, who's 22, he doesn't love to fly. And I always say, like, we just were in Utah. I took a flight, you know, he ended up driving. I was like, son, that's way more dangerous. Like, fly with me. I'm never going to put you on a plane that I think is unsafe. I'm so adamant about making sure the pilot's great. The. The planes had maintenance, whatever else.

[Joe Rogan]

How do you check all that stuff?

[Travis Barker]

Well, just if we're flying private, you're able to, like, you know, really make sure it's a great plane. Sometimes even we'll fly on, like, someone's plane that we know. So that makes me feel better. But, yeah, he just. He just drove 16 hours round trip. I was like, son, that's way more dangerous.

[Joe Rogan]

It is.

[Travis Barker]

But, yeah, that's what I tell myself. And I just gotta have faith. And. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

What was the first plane trip like after 20 years?

[Travis Barker]

It was nothing like I'd imagined it. I. I made a deal with my wife, and I just said, hey, if there's ever somewhere we can't go. Cause she was a champ, man. She was. She was on tour buses with me. She was on whatever, just, you know, going kind of close by for trips that we'd go on. And I said, if there's ever a trip that you want us to go on that I'd need to fly, just don't tell me and tell me the night before. Let's leave in the morning, and I'm going to do it. So that's what it was. And the flight was awesome. Had contained none of the awful nightmares that I had fabricated in my head that it would be like over the years. And, yeah, I think I just needed a positive experience to cancel out the last bad one that I had, you know? Yeah, that helped a lot. And I think also coming to terms with being so close to my godson, who was my assistant's son, who passed away in my plane crash, and his mom and Che's mom, and just knowing that there was no hard feelings and the survivor's guilt I was feeling was my own, and to just think about them and if the roles were reversed, would they want me to really just sit around not flying again or have this thing have power over me or if I was in their shoes, would I want that for them? Of course not.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's a. It's an experience that so few people ever have. I mean, I can't imagine what it's like, especially losing your friends and.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

The. The trauma of the actual impact. The whole thing just stuck in your head.

[Travis Barker]

It's. Yeah. I mean, to this day, I always, like, my wife's a great flyer. My band, they're all good flying. You know, I think they can. My wife can probably envision a trip, plan a trip, envision how rad it's going to be, how cool it's going to be doing rock climbing or what, whatever we're going to do. All I can think about until I get there is like, am I going to make it? Is. Is this going to. You know, I did this once and I almost died. So, you know, I had to just stop that pattern of thinking to the best of my ability. It still happens a little bit, but I still can't. I have trouble booking planes, I have trouble booking flights without thinking of those things, you know? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I can only imagine. Well, it's awesome that you got through it and got over it and did it publicly so that other people can get inspiration from that.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And just realize, like, hey, you know, maybe for them it was a car accident or a bus accident or whatever it is. Like, you can keep moving.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. For sure. And I, at the time, you know, am. Am survived with me. And then he lived for another year and passed away of a drug overdose. But during that time, where, after I'd gotten out of the burn center and did most of my recovery, it was hard to find anyone who had been in a plane crash that was severely burnt, like, you know, and lost people. There was a lot of. There was a lot of groups and a lot of people that like support systems for people who had. Were grieving and lost someone in a plane crash, you know, so it was kind of just lonely trying to navigate. Figure it out. Just recently, just like a few days ago, before my doc came out, someone kept tagging me. And I saw it. It's this young lady named Reva. She had a similar experience where she was in a plane crash. 50% of her body was burnt, and she lost her mom in the plane crash. So I was like, this is really similar to me. And I've never met anyone that had even remotely kind of the same experience. So I flew her out, and she was at my premiere, and it was just. It was just cool. And I said, you know, it's. It's just as cool for me to meet you as for you to meet me. Like, this is. I. I don't. I don't see anyone or meet anyone like you, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

So, yeah, it's. It's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a very cool human experience.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, just share it with somebody and realize, like, you both been through something pretty horrible, but you came out on the other side and.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Comfort in each other.

[Travis Barker]

I think the closest thing that I came to that was right after my accident and I was out to dinner. The guy who flew the. The plane and landed in the river, Remember that?

[Joe Rogan]

Sully?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. He came up and shook my hand at dinner. Didn't say a word to me, but I was like, oh, wow. Oh, that's awesome. You know, that's a.

[Joe Rogan]

That story's crazy.

[Travis Barker]

Crazy birds. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Birds took the plane down.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You would think they would have figured that out by now.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. The smallest error, you know. Insane.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Flying's weird, but I prefer it over the boat. The boat thing.

[Travis Barker]

And you got to do the boat. Queen Mary 2's wild. There's a morgue on there, too, because. Yeah, most people that are on there are 80 years old, and they're doing their one transatlantic crossing, and so some of them die. A lot of them. There's a lot of. I think every transatlantic crossing, because I'm on there with my crew and my. My assistant, my tour manager. It's like, yep, someone passed, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. A morgue on the boat.

[Travis Barker]

A morgue on the boat. There's a morgue. A jail.

[Joe Rogan]

A jail.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, there's a jail.

[Joe Rogan]

How many people are on the Queen Mary, too?

[Travis Barker]

Thousands.

[Joe Rogan]

Whoa.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I mean, if someone pops off on the boat, they got it, you know, there's. There's police. It's legit. It's legit.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Travis Barker]

And the whole experience, they. They almost celebrate when you crossing the Titanic. Where the Titanic sits. They're, like, playing the movie on the ship. They're announcing it. I was like, this is. This is just different. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Fuck that.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, my God.

[Travis Barker]

But it was. Honestly, I would. I would practice all day. I would practice all day. I would run miles across the ship just on the outside of the ship. There was a lot of cool, cool times on the boat as well. Well, I'm sure, you know, you usually fly to tour. You land. That's what I do. Now and it's like, go where? I would just train every day, play drums four hours a day, run two hours a day. By the time I got ready, you know, to where I was going, I'm like, I'm so ready for tour. It's like whatever. Whatever life throws at me, I'm good.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just crazy that even the Queen Mary too, getting across in 10 days, that's got to be like way faster than the old boats used to do it, right?

[Travis Barker]

I don't know, dude. You're going so slow. Doesn't even look like you're moving. Sometimes you're like, are you serious? You don't see shit for 10 days.

[Joe Rogan]

Just water.

[Travis Barker]

Once in a while you'll start seeing birds when you know you're getting close to land. But other than that, nothing.

[Joe Rogan]

How many times have you done that trip?

[Travis Barker]

Seven. Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I think I'd rather fly. For sure. I just. The idea of something going wrong in the middle of the ocean.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I started to think about it. You're fucked.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, you're fucked.

[Travis Barker]

There's no place to land a helicopter on there.

[Joe Rogan]

How can someone even get to you? It's the middle. It's thousands of miles out to sea.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, both suck to me, right? Falling out of the sky on a plane, crashing into the ocean sucks. Also being sinking in a huge ship with thousands of people fending for their lives sucks.

[Joe Rogan]

I've just watched too many boat videos of like them navigating insane waves that look like, like a building coming at them.

[Travis Barker]

Dude, I was in it. Yeah, yeah, we were in it. I think, I think we had. We lost a couple windows in the ship and. And you're basically confined to your room, but huge. Where you just see the boat go up and then you go crashing down and you're, you know, you're four or five days into the trip, so you still got. You're in the middle of your crossing.

[Joe Rogan]

What does that feel like on a giant boat with thousands of people?

[Travis Barker]

Sucks. The Internet goes out usually on the boat and you're just watching something in your room, just waiting for everything to get more calm.

[Joe Rogan]

How big were these waves?

[Travis Barker]

I think we were in 35 foot waves. Yeah, like this. Yes, exactly. It looks exactly like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. This freaks me out, man. Yeah, it's like some. When they. This is not that bad. Well, look how much the boat's moving. This is the hurricane force winds, it says.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, that's like choppy weather. I mean, there's positives too. We saw the northern lights from Our cruise one time and it was like, I've never seen it anywhere else, but it was beautiful. It was cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I want to make a trip to somewhere like Norway or wherever you could see it. Yeah, this is.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I almost did that one time. I almost went on a. Not a passenger ship, but a cargo ship because I was trying to find ways to get to Australia.

[Joe Rogan]

You were gonna go to Australia?

[Travis Barker]

You know who told me about it? You know who else doesn't fly and was on the Queen Mary twice with me was KRS1.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Travis Barker]

Yep. He was like, I'm right there with you, Trav. And I was like, did something, you know, happen to you or why you're. You're just confined to being on ships? He's like, nah, I just don't like flying. So him and his family. Actually, he had told me about the cargo ship for some of the other places that didn't have actual cruises.

[Joe Rogan]

How long is a boat ride to Australia, dude?

[Travis Barker]

Month. I think it's a month. I mean, I never went. I never went the plane flight is hard enough. 20 something hours or whatever it is.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, fuck that. Fuck a month. It just makes you really think about the insane adventure spirit of the people that just took off on canoes and made it across the ocean.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. The wild ass people that do it by themselves. Just. Oh, here to Hawaii.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, there's a lot of those people. Yeah. Yeah. I know a dude who just did that. But that's. I mean the, the people back when there was no Internet, back when there was no newspapers or no nothing, like the, the Polynesian people that just got on boats made it to Hawaii.

[Travis Barker]

Insane. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, did you have. What. What was plan B? Yeah, what's, you know, what do you do if you're out? Where are you getting water?

[Travis Barker]

How do you.

[Joe Rogan]

How are you staying alive?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I think plan B is making plan A work. That's.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's it. There is no plan. But how bad is life suck that you're willing to get in a boat and just hope there's some food.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When you land. And they didn't have big boats either.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So what. What the. Were the waves like for them also? No. No weather app on the iPhone.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You have no idea what's coming true. 0 idea what's waiting for you. And you know you're with your family and you're paddling out there.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. It's the un. The unknown. Absolute unknown.

[Joe Rogan]

And then how do you get back? Or do you. Or do you just say, well, this is where we are. I mean, it must have taken months and months and months to get out there. How do they stay alive? Like, human ingenuity, like people's ability to thrive and survive is pretty insane when pushed to the limits.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, like people. I have a friend who. Who fasts half of the year. He's just drinking juice and water for six months, 160 days a year. He does it every year.

[Joe Rogan]

How?

[Travis Barker]

He's Chef Ito. He's a chef. He's actually a chef that took a vow of silence 30 years ago. Plant based raw chef. And for half the year he doesn't eat. He just fasts. And it's more for like health reasons, like cleansing and to prevent disease, whatever else. But he gets really thin and then just goes back to his normal weight the second half of the year.

[Joe Rogan]

I don't know if that's good.

[Travis Barker]

I don't know either. But who told me he does it every year? He might not even. He might. It might not even be good or. So he just does these things.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't think it is half

[Travis Barker]

of the year fasting.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I have a hard enough time fasting a day before surgery or something, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's all dependent upon whether or not your body's eating a lot of carbohydrates or not. Yeah, if you're on a ketogenic diet, it's a lot easier. Your body just immediately goes to burning fat and your. Your appetite is not as strong. It's not as insane a pull. The gravity of It, But I can't even imagine why you would do that fast for six months. Like, I think there's a lot of data that shows that fasting for three days and five days and things along those lines is good causes. Autophagy makes your body clean out bad cells. It's very good for people that are recovering from cancer or going through cancer. It's one of the first things a lot of doctors tell you. Get on a ketogenic diet and fast because cancer cells want glucose. That's what they want to survive, and you starve them. And when your body's like on a carbohydrate, you're still on a plant based diet. So your body's e mostly carbohydrates all the time. So it get, you have to kind of refuel all the time. It gets used to it. So when someone like you takes a day off of food, it's like the pull of the carbohydrates, like the insulin dump. It's a lot.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I mean, I eat so much protein though. I get so much protein from lentils, like an insane amount of protein from lentils, beans, all the natural stuff, not like mock meats. So like all, all my blood work that I do, my protein is top notch.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, you've figured it out though too. Like, there's a lot of, I mean, there's a lot of junk food, meat eaters, a lot of junk food, vegans. It's about dialing your shit in, you know what I mean, and figuring it out.

[Joe Rogan]

But even you, when you were recovering from your burns, you started eating meat.

[Travis Barker]

Well, because I had doctors that were super old school in the, in the hospital with me that figured out I wasn't eating because they were trying to feed me a bunch of meat and they stuck a hose down my throat and that just sucked.

[Joe Rogan]

So they stuck a hose down your

[Travis Barker]

throat to like feed you like that. Because I was like secretly just eating kind of like what I wanted, but not eating a bunch of the meat because I told them I don't really eat meat. So there was like a miscommunication where they just put a hose down my throat and were feeding me like that. And then during that time, one of my nurses was super cool and he started making me bags of beef jerky. So I would eat beef jerky in the hospital to get whatever protein that they wanted me to have, and then down a peanut butter blast smoothie from. What is that? Is it Roebucks or something like that. Like one of those and it's 3,000 calories. So I was averaging. I basically had a 6 to 7,000 calorie diet I needed to hit every day.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Travis Barker]

In order to heal because I just had 30 surgeries in six months. So it was just, just trying to, to get enough.

[Joe Rogan]

Just, just 30 times. Being anesthetized for six months is fucking hard on your body.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, it was. I was so out of it. I didn't really know until towards the end, you know, but yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Geez, man. Did you ever try using a hyperbaric chamber?

[Travis Barker]

I couldn't do it after. You know. My best friend that was in the accident with me am, he was, he was. I think 6% of his body was burned and he went in the hyperbaric and I think he had a small graft on the back of his head. He was out of the hospital in a week and a half. But I had 70% of my body burnt. So there was no way I was getting out of the hospital. No matter how much I did it or didn't do it. I tried doing it and I was just in such a awful place after my accident where I was. I had so much trauma with like losing my best friends and I was definitely. My reaction was much different than Adam's and I couldn't go in the small tube. There was no way. I think at the time it reminded me too much of the inside of the plane, really. Yeah, I just felt really claustrophobic and I was also having a hell of a time. Am was Sober, sober for 15 years when it happened. I was a drug addict before my plane crash. And you take a person who's self medicating, put them through 30 surgeries, give them a bunch of pain meds and they're not working. That was me. So I was waking up every surgery screaming, swinging on doctors, a complete madman, you know, until. Until they weaned me off. And by the, by the time I got out of there, I was. I never wanted to put anything in my body again and had a great relationship with all my doctors and Dr. Grossman, who owns the burn center, the Grossman Burns Center. It was, yeah, it was full circle.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's a crazy trial by fire to get off drugs.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, that was my, that was my. That was my rehab.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. Fuck. Dude, that has to be. I mean you're confined to a bed, you're stuck, they're giving you pain medications, you're going through 30 surgeries, you have 70% of your body burnt, your friends just died and you're in this hospital by yourself.

[Travis Barker]

Huge wake up call.

[Joe Rogan]

What a. What a wild ride your mind must have been going through.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, it's. You know, I was coming home from a show, I was coming home from a gig, and. Yeah, who would think you get in, get in a plane coming home from a show and you're going to end up in a burn center for six months. You know, four people are gone and 70% of your body's burnt. Takes a minute to process, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Why did they think you were never going to be able to play the drums again?

[Travis Barker]

Well, there was a point where they were going to amputate my foot because they didn't think they could. They could. They. They had enough skin left to heal my foot or save it. And then because of the amount of burns I had over my body, they weren't, they weren't positive I was even gonna make it. So it was like once they knew I was out of critical condition and I was gonna make it, they were. You know, all my nerves were messed up in my hands. Like my ulnar nerve was shot in both hands. My hands were numb. There was a lot of. It's just the unknown, you know, I can only imagine.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it sucks that you couldn't use the hyperbaric because it definitely accelerates healing.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Even now I. I go in. I go in sometimes. Now there's a hyperbaric in Los Angeles that seats two people, and that's perfect for me. It's just like, I could stay in there for two hours and I'm fine.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's just a confined space thing for you.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I just don't love being in confined spaces.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I don't love it, but I do it. Yeah, but it's. I've never been through what.

[Travis Barker]

You know what the mind fuck is, is the, the time it takes to depressurize it. So even if you're like, okay, I'm done, like seven minutes, eight minutes, whatever, while we depressurize it. I think that's, that's why I just feel better in the two seater.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Fuck, dude. What now? When you're doing this documentary, are you. Does it relive all this stuff for you every time?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I was so excited to come on, on this with you because I'm like, I'm gonna talk fights with Joe. I'm gonna talk whatever cars, whatever. Some of them have been. I mean, they've all been great. But I mean, to tell the truth, I think since I'm not Sure. Why? But maybe since I was a kid, you know, I lost my mom at a young age, like 13. Like, I could. A stranger could come up to me outside this place and be like, dude, I just lost my dad. And I'd probably start bawling because it's sensitive to me. It, like, triggers something to me. So, yeah, it's like talking about certain parts of the doc is like gutting me with a knife, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Were you conflicted as to whether or not you wanted to go through with this and relive all that stuff?

[Travis Barker]

I think I was already far past was to the point where my doc was done in 2017. But I'm like, there's no ending. The ending sucks. I won't look at a plane. I won't do anything. And then fast forward, you know, that was their dream ending. Just stare at a fucking plane for me, right? And I'm like, nah. You know, so. And then fast forward to now 2024, or whatever it was when I flew, or 2025, it was like, yo, I fly. I fly again. My kids fly. I'm married. So many things have changed. And that kind of triggered me to finish it because there was a huge light at the end of the tunnel now, right? It was like, yeah, I had this thing that had power for me for 20 years, but I fly again. And I think the other parts of the dock, like an amazing, rough relationship with my dad when. When I was younger turned into something like, beautiful, where he's like my best friend. That's awesome. I wasn't. I wasn't born with a silver spoon in my mouth. I grew up, you know, not. We didn't even have, like, running hot water in my house. So it wasn't like my dad was in the music industry and my mom was an agent. It was like, no, I fucking didn't know how I was going to get out of where I. I grew up. And I just played every day and I was relentless, and I joined every band and I played with everyone and I practiced two to five hours a day, you know, so just even giving some kid hope, knowing that he can do the same thing was. Was like a big part of my documentary that I felt like could help a lot of people for sure. And then just to see me get knocked down and. And just have to fight, you know, over and over again when up things happen to me. And just watching me have these things just make me stronger and stronger and unbreakable. I think that's the resilience. I think that that that is something for, for people to see, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There's two great messages in there. The big one is that you can overcome that no matter how up things are, if you keep going and if you keep, you stay positive, you do the right thing, you trust the process, at the end of it, you'll come out better.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And then you're. The formula for success is the same formula almost everyone has that is really awesome at something. Become obsessed, become driven and just throw everything you have in that thing and you come out better and you eventually get to where you want to be or get to where you are. It's, it's, it's an undeniable formula and kids need to hear that, especially kids in this world where everybody thinks everything comes quick and everybody wants a, you know, it's a tick tock mindset and everybody wants a pill to lose weight and everyone, it's all. The process is the most important thing. And just get, become Becoming obsessed and in love with the process.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. And, and so many people, I don't know, they. There's not a lot of balance, right. Like I've found more balance now, but it's like, no, you've got to be fucking obsessed and you got to be relentless and you gotta, while all your homies are out doing whatever, you should be practicing. You know what I mean? You got to be disciplined. Like I'm so, you know, my parents were, they were, they were really strict with me. Like, yo, if you want to go skateboarding, you want to go ride BMX bikes, go whatever, fuck off with your friends. You got to go play drums for three hours. Wow, so thankful they did that. Can you imagine if they didn't? You know, cuz the one thing also in my doc is like every time like my mom dies, what do I do? I just throw myself into music and drumming. Like obsessed with drumming. You know, join marching band, orchestra, jazz band, you know, like just literally eat, sleep and breathe it. Same thing. After my accident, what did I do? Dad got home, I'm outside with scabs all over my body and I'm playing the drums because it's like what I know. And also I think for kids even that don't have to hopefully endure anything I encountered. It's like it gives you confidence when you're good at something. It's like when I don't know anything. I think when kids bully you when whatever else, if you're good at something, you're like, you like, I know I'm really good at football. I'm really good at Jiu Jitsu. I'm really good at guitar. I feel like it just gives you confidence 100 and helps you just kind of navigate through life better.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You know, it's a vehicle for developing you as a human being.

[Travis Barker]

Totally.

[Joe Rogan]

Whatever it is, whether it's art, whether it's music, whether it's literature, whatever you're doing, writing, whatever you're doing, whatever. Carpentry, whatever it is, just become obsessed with a thing, get better at it, and you realize that, okay, I. There's a process. I can get better at things. I'm valuable. I can do something.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm not just a lazy sack of shit.

[Travis Barker]

The problem is the masses aren't like that. Right. So, like, sometimes you feel lonely being like that. But, yeah, I feel like. Have you ever read Relentless by Tim Grover? No, it's my bible. But I just had my premiere in LA and he introduced my doc.

[Joe Rogan]

What is it?

[Travis Barker]

It's. It's. It's a book. And he basically talks about being a cooler closer, a cleaner, you know? And, like, cleaners are like, people like you and I that are obsessed with shit. And, you know, if we won a Grammy today, we're not gonna, like, party for the next week. We're like, what's next? You know what's next? We're not. We're on vacation and we're practicing, and we're not feeling bad about it. We're. It's just. It's. It's a mindset that not a lot of people have. And that must make you feel like you're doing something wrong because you're so obsessed with something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, people will make you feel like there's something wrong with you.

[Travis Barker]

Oh, yeah. Like. And I've. And it took me a while, Honestly, after I read his book, I'm like, oh, I'm not alone. There's a bunch of fucking psychopaths like me that just. I love the fucking drums. I love to make music. I could stay in the studio for 25 hours, you know, and. And I don't feel burnt out, and it makes me feel alive and it's therapeutic. And I always. I'm never content with where I'm at. I always know I have room to grow. I know there's things I can get better at. Yeah, there's. And then there's, like. You know, there's people that are very content just being like, I'm not going to get any better. I'm just. I'm cool with where I'm at. I know this is kind of peak level for me. I can never think like that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I mean, I guess that's just how it has to be in order for there to be outliers there. There's always going to be people that just whatever, for whatever reason, never follow through, never do what they really want to do, you know? What is that Thoreau comment? The row quote? Most men live lives of quiet desperation. There's a lot of that. There's a lot of people that wish. They wish they had the energy or the inspiration or the discipline or whatever it is to do the, that they want to do. To get up and just to do something that really brings them joy, really brings them excitement, really makes them feel fulfilled, really like ignites that creative fire inside of them where you do something and it's done. You're like, fuck yeah. There's a lot of people that never experience fuck yeah.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a rough life.

[Travis Barker]

I feel like that's the journey. Find that, you know, or like that quote, find something you love and figure out a way to get paid for it. Like that's the, that's great. But I think, yeah, things like that have just. Especially after my accident, I'm like, yo, life is short. There's.

[Joe Rogan]

And it can go at any time.

[Travis Barker]

I can go any time. I've. I've. I've learned I've been smacked in the face over and over again, you know. Yeah. And just always feeling like, remember there's this guy named Harry Shannon that was like very instrumental in helping me get sober or me trying to get sober before my accident, when I got sober. And he's like, you know, I have to ask men like, if you died right now, would you be the man you'd want people to remember you by? And I'm like, I need to get to that place, you know that that's just where I want to sit. That's where I want to live. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I always tell people, live your life as if there's a documentary crew following you around and you're doing something awesome. Like if you wanted to be inspired by somebody and watch a documentary on somebody doing some. Just someone who's like, wow, that dude's getting after it. Be that person in real life. The other thing I always tell people, become the person you pretend to be when you're trying to get laid.

[Travis Barker]

It's so funny. Or who you're pretending to be on

[Joe Rogan]

the Internet or social media, just actually become that person. It's so much easier than pretending. Cuz there's Obviously someone that's like that. That's why we understand the archetype. That's why we understand, like, this very exceptional person. So become that person. Yeah, you could do it. Anybody could do it. We all change and grow. And that's what's, I think, really important about people like you telling your story is that there's a lot of young people out there that don't have anybody like you in their life, and they can see it and relate to you and under. And it gives them fuel. It can. Your story and just you talking about things passionately can change a young person's life. There's a young girl or a young guy out there that can hear you and that just your story makes them take a step, makes them go in the right direction, makes them make a move to something. We all need something from other people. We feed off of other people's energy.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I feel that. Like, it's like when people see David Goggins for the first time, and you're like, oh, I'm gonna get after it. I'm gonna get. You know what I mean? Like, that's important. Yeah. And I didn't know. I said, you know, I've watched my doc like, 15, 20 times now, and I just. I even watched it the other day at the premiere, and I'm, like, holding back tears, and I'm like, fuck, it's so heavy, you know? But just the reaction from everyone is like, yo, that changed my life. Like, I can't look at life the same. And I'm like, if anything, that's. Yeah, I love that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. You know, we all need that.

[Travis Barker]

I'd hate to put out also. It's not like I made my own documentary, but I was honored and flattered someone wanted to do this documentary with me. But, like, hate to put out something that doesn't help people.

[Joe Rogan]

Right?

[Travis Barker]

You know?

[Joe Rogan]

Right.

[Travis Barker]

Is this water right here? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. There's a glass right in front of you.

[Travis Barker]

I ran. What is it called? Lake Austin Ladybird. I ran it today. Yeah. It's so nice.

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't it beautiful?

[Travis Barker]

So beautiful.

[Joe Rogan]

This is such a great place.

[Travis Barker]

If I lived here, I would be out there every day and tons of people running. I know.

[Joe Rogan]

So there's a lot of healthy people

[Travis Barker]

in this town, and I didn't. My goal was to just wake up and walk. I went to, like, this good espresso spot that has, like, cortados. Had a coffee, and then I have, like, long shorts on, like, sweat shorts, Cut off sweats. Suicidal tendency sweats. And high socks and just regular shoes. And where I come from, where I grew up was called the Inland Empire. Like, and I'm like, oh, my God, I look so Inland Empire, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Totally.

[Travis Barker]

No shirt, long ass sweat, suicidal Tendencies. People are like, he's not from here, you know, but like, hey, I'm here with you guys.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but you blend right in. Everybody blends in here. This is a very blend in town.

[Travis Barker]

I love, I love Austin.

[Joe Rogan]

It's great.

[Travis Barker]

Cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but that lake is a really fun spot. And again, very inspirational too, because there's a lot of people getting after it. Yeah, a lot of people look good. They look healthy.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, it was like. I don't know. Honestly, I was surprised really, from the moment I touched down yesterday, just walking, like, my wife and Rocky, we just went walking and there was. Everyone was running even yesterday. And then today it was like similar to when that feeling where you in la, where you have like those boot camps or whatever, but there's no organized boot camp. There's just people out, out there getting after it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it was.

[Travis Barker]

I. I love, I love being around that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, this is a very fit town. I mean, it's become the Jiu Jitsu hub of the country.

[Travis Barker]

Really?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's kind of crazy. And it all happened during the pandemic. You know, there's a lot of things that changed about this place because people got sick of whatever the restrictions were for where they lived, whether it was New York or la, and they came here and a lot. Well, it started out with Gordon Ryan. Gordon Ryan and John Donahue, who are the. Like, Gordon's the greatest Jiu Jitsu athlete of all time. And he moved here and John Donahue is the greatest coach of all time. And he moved here and they set up shop and then all the guys they trained with came here. And then a ton of other people just moved here and started up schools too. So there's a. A ton of Jiu Jitsu going on here, a ton of MMA going on here. There's gyms everywhere, all these functional fitness gyms. It's like, is like a feeling here of. There's an energy of people that want to do something that really want. They want to be active, they want to be excited about something, they want to make something happen. And I think a lot of that was accentuated by the fact that this town became like a. A symbol of change for them. Like wherever the I used to live before, now I'm going to move to this new thing and I'm going really take advantage of the fact that this is different, that this place is different. This is my new place. This is my new feeling of my life. It's a new environment. And then all these other people that moved here have this similar desire to like excel and, and make their life more exciting and just. It's an awesome place.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I feel that. I think you usually see it in New York or la, but you see it here. Yeah, it's like everyone's in shape or it's like, feels like it's ahead. You know, there's energy here.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, and there's energy here because of the people that moved here. You know, when we opened up the comedy club, I mean we, we all came here because there was nowhere we could perform in la. LA was locked down for comedy. And just like you playing the drums and doing music, comedians are addicted. They're addicted to performing, they're addicted to writing, they're addicted to like. And a lot of these guys were young people where their career just was shut off. And you know, they're in their 20s and they're, they're pursuing their dream and they're barely getting by, they're making no money. But they're in Hollywood, they're at the Comedy Store. And also in the Comedy Store is closed for a year and a half. It was nuts. And so when we came out here, you know, it started off it was Ron White and then me and Tony Hinchcliffe. And then it was like we lit the fire and come on. And then next thing you know it, there's like 20 world class comedians moved to Austin and we set up the club. And then now there's five clubs on my street. On the street where my club is, there's five other clubs there. It's crazy. There's so many comics here and it's just exploding with creativity and enthusiasm and momentum. There's like so much momentum. Cam Patterson, who came out of here, just got snl, you know, Shane Gillis obviously just became like the biggest comic in the world. And it's all, kill. Tony's the biggest live comedy show in the world. That's out of my.

[Travis Barker]

So wild. It's all like, oh, that's out of your club.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, every Monday it's out of my club.

[Travis Barker]

I get all the clippings from it all the time. And I'm like, he's so funny. Also Ron. I saw, I saw Ron White and Shane Gillis at the Netflix Sucks. Oh, right, the Hollywood Bowl.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

So good.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, I worked with Ron last night and he's Great. He's the best.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Shane Gillis, my favorite. Obviously. He's so. He's so funny.

[Joe Rogan]

He's the best.

[Travis Barker]

He doesn't even have to say anything, just his face.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, he's just a great guy. Like, you just love you when you're around him. You're having fun. He's just a big. He's a big smile.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. You know, I could imagine.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

So they were like, hey, do you want to go meet him before the thing? I'm like, no, no. Okay. Like, I just want to. I just want to watch his show.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, yeah, I'm sure he'd love to meet you.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just having a place where a bunch of like minded people are trying to do the same thing is so important. And if you don't have that in your life. That's what I was talking about, like your story and your documentary. And just hearing you talk about stuff is so important for people because we all need other people that are doing a similar thing, or at least doing a thing that we wish we were doing that it gives us. And it might not be for them. It might not be playing the drums. It might be painting. It might be something else. But it's like, oh, that guy has that feeling about drums the way I have this feeling about playing guitar, or I have this feeling about drawing pictures, whatever the fuck it is. You need to know that this feeling that you have inside of you and wanting to do something special is not unique. There's other people that have it. You just have to find them. You have to find those people. And if they're not around you, at least now we have this amazing ability to connect with these people through the Internet. It's incredible.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. It's like they say, like, you are who you. You're the closest five people that are around you.

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Travis Barker]

It's like the same thing.

[Joe Rogan]

Completely true. Completely true.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I feel that too. And they don't have to be doing exactly what you're doing. Yeah, I'm like in our old neighborhood. Where were you on Khalifa?

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Travis Barker]

Okay, so I'm on Khalifa. You know, I moved my studio. You literally left like Covid hit. You left and I moved in over there. Yeah, I know, I heard. So I wonder how close we were too.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think we were real close.

[Travis Barker]

Really. I think we were right down the

[Joe Rogan]

street from each other.

[Travis Barker]

So even just being in that neighborhood, like, I run a lot in there. Right. And one day I was running. It was so weird. I think I saw your pod and Jean Jacques was on it, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Jean Jacques Machado.

[Travis Barker]

Jean Jacques Machado. And then maybe two days later, I'm at Blue Bottle, grabbing a coffee, and him and all his boys from his Jim Crew up there like, hey, come train, Come train. And I'm like, okay. And then the next day, I'm running, and I don't even know where his spot is, and I'm running, and then there's his. His dojo, like, you know, his gym, and I just walked in and started training. But being around him and, like, his story, like, being around people who have inspiring stories and are motivating and are productive and are hungry and, you know. Yeah, it's the biggest difference in the world.

[Joe Rogan]

John. Jacques is an awesome soul. He's an awesome guy.

[Travis Barker]

What a great guy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I started training with him in 1998. Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

Wow. Yeah, I was training a lot, and then I was also running a bunch, and I tweaked my. My leg and I kind of learned. I think, like, me running all the time, it wasn't the best for Jiu Jitsu.

[Joe Rogan]

No. You need some strength training for Jiu Jitsu.

[Travis Barker]

So now. Now it's a good balance.

[Joe Rogan]

But what do you do for strength training?

[Travis Barker]

It's tricky. I used to just work out. If I was here, I'd find someone, I'd work out with them or have friends I'd work out with or trainers back home. But a lot of people see me and they're like, bro, let's get you jacked. Well, that's not functional for me. Not functional for me. I need to be fucking fast and I need to be fluid. Yeah. So a lot of people, I figured out after years and years and years of. Of working out with different people, what's best for me is fast twitch and lots of reps, lots of sprints, quick, explosive energy. I love boxing, love jump roping. And then a few days is more like slow strength training, but only followed by, I have to finish with something fast. Whether it's 10 rounds on the bag or whatever else, or. I literally. I remember there was a tour and I was working out with someone, and we hadn't yet figured it out. We work out still together, and we do. We do something called tempo training. So whatever music is on, you're doing it to the tempo. You're doing it for the length of the song. So it's much longer than you would normally do something, and it's much quicker than you normally do something. But that's how I play the drums, and that's gonna. That's gonna help me once I go back to what I do and it's functional for what I do.

[Joe Rogan]

I like that.

[Travis Barker]

But when I wasn't doing that and I was just throwing around heavy weights and I was putting on muscle, I was, I got behind a kit and I remember I hadn't really tested it out and it was the worst feeling in the world. I was so tight, I was so slow. I didn't look like this, but I felt like this, you know, it was terrible. I was like, oh, my gosh, this isn't me. I need to be, you know, and my goal, my only goal is to be able to think something and do it. Execute stamina wise, endurance wise and skill wise. So I'm always practicing and my stamina is always on point.

[Joe Rogan]

Drumming is like sprinting with your arms.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, you're just like long term fast running with your arms.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. It's like volume punches.

[Joe Rogan]

Like all drummers have a similar build. They're all like wiry and strong and have like crazy endurance with their arms. Like, what you could do with your arms is probably bananas. I bet you could hit a speed bag all day long.

[Travis Barker]

I could do battle ropes. I love speed bags.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

I have one at the, at the gym.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

And it's all, it's all tempo. You have to find the rhythm. If the rhythm's not right, you can't keep the bag going, you know. Battle ropes, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

For 30, 40 minutes.

[Joe Rogan]

Okay.

[Travis Barker]

Without stopping.

[Joe Rogan]

That's insane.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, just.

[Joe Rogan]

That's like the perfect thing for drumming, I would imagine. It's such a similar motion.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. You know, but it's so different than like the average person that wants to work out. Like, I don't get to do that, you know, Even though it's cool or you look cool, you put on certain amount of muscle, whatever. I. It's just, I can't do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it could get in your way for sure. I mean, I think a, a drummer wants to be built like a welterweight boxer. You know, you want to be like lean and wiry and just have crazy endurance. And if you just get an intelligent trainer, they understand what you're trying to achieve. They could achieve both goals. Like, you can strengthen things so that you don't get injured in jiu jitsu. If you want to do jiu jitsu but not overwhelm you with mass.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Figured out, like, there's. Yeah, there's definitely certain exercises I could do once I start training jiu jitsu again to make sure My legs are cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, a lot of, like, really elite jiu jitsu guys are not bulky at all. There's a lot of, like, really thin guys that are, like, very, very high level, especially because there's weight classes. And, you know, what's really important is technique.

[Travis Barker]

You know, it's tricky is the hands, too. Like, not. Not crushing my hand and making sure I'm always, like, gripping properly and not leaving my fingers out or.

[Joe Rogan]

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[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Now he's. He's always so good about that.

[Joe Rogan]

It's like, well, you just. If you're rolling and stuff, you just have to make sure you're not rolling with anybody that's spastic. Anybody that's just like. That doesn't have controlled energy, you know? Yeah, that's the great thing about rolling with black belts. Like, if I'm rolling with a black belt, it's very controlled. Like, we both know what we're doing. So everyone's, like, moving in a very controlled pace. You very rarely get injured. When you get injured is when you're rolling with, like, some young blue belt who's on steroids, who's jacked out of

[Travis Barker]

his mind trying to choke you out, and he's just amped.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. What's a choke out, Travis?

[Travis Barker]

Dude, I've been that. I was at a UFC gym. I forget where I was. I was somewhere on tour. And he's like, okay, let's spar a little bit. We're supposed to be doing light sparring, whatever, just kickboxing, boxing. And he does a spinning back fist, and I'm like, oh, my gosh. Like, I have a show in 45 minutes, man. Like, chill.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, he can't be getting concussed 45 minutes before.

[Travis Barker]

But I do, I do love it.

[Joe Rogan]

Very hard to control, too.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Once you start that rotation and that spin, that arm going around, I was,

[Travis Barker]

I was almost done, so. Yeah, my son was there. He's like, oh. I was like, yeah, it probably wasn't. That wasn't good. But. Yeah, but training is. Yeah, it's. It's so awesome.

[Joe Rogan]

It's great for getting rid of aggression too. Like, just cleans your mind up and makes you relaxed for sure.

[Travis Barker]

And it humbles you, I think.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Travis Barker]

I feel like everyone should train or at least do it at some point in their life because it humbles you. And yeah, I feel like there'll be a lot of less, like, hot heads or out there, you know What I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

100 Jiu Jitsu people are some of the most laid back and chill people that can kill you that you'll ever meet.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, totally.

[Joe Rogan]

Most of them are, like, very easygoing, really kind and very relaxed.

[Travis Barker]

And I feel like it's something you can do even as you age.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, 100. Yeah. As long as you're training with good, smart people.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, that's the thing. You got to pick your training partners wisely because that's what gets you injured is spastics, people that freak out. And, you know, I used to be a spastic. I get it. You know, when I was young, when I was first starting out, I was very aggressive and trying to just. Just force everything you do, everything fat and then. But then one day you'll train with someone like John Jacques, and John Jacques just. He never explodes. He. He's never out of balance. He's never had a position. Everything's just smooth and effortless. And he's talking to you, like, while he's wrong. Joe Hogan, look out for your arm.

[Travis Barker]

Joe Hogan.

[Joe Rogan]

He's like, he's, he's having fun.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's. That's, it's an art. It really is. Especially when it's done well, like the way Jean Jacques can do it. It's like, it is an art. It's beautiful to watch you watch someone with a beautiful guard pass and then nail a triangle. It's like, oh, my God, it's beautiful.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. And I think I'd done it in the past, and it was, it was, it was a lot of fun and it was almost like chess up here. But I didn't feel like it was a much of a workout. Whereas with him, it's like two hours. He's making it like a show. There's no, there's no stopping for long periods of time. And we're just dripping sweat, and I weigh a buck 50, and he's whatever, 200, you know, and he's just. Yeah, it's. It is a workout, and it's just challenging. And you're engaged the whole time, and. Yeah, it just feels good.

[Joe Rogan]

And you. When. Then if you watch fights, you really appreciate what's going on because you've tried to do that and, you know, like. Yeah, because a lot of people get very delusional when they watch fights. Like, get in there.

[Travis Barker]

I'll.

[Joe Rogan]

I'd these guys up. Like, you have this. Most men have a very delusional understanding of or belief in their ability to fight. So doing it gives you like, oh, this is really hard. And then you watch people at an elite level, you know, you watch Chugga Sean o' Malley or someone like that, and you're like, oh, that's hard to do what he just did. That's crazy.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It gives you a real true appreciation of the amount of effort and the amount of discipline and intensity that this guy's put in over years and years and years to achieve this level where you're watching something spectacular in front of 15,000 people and millions of people on television.

[Travis Barker]

Dude, I couldn't imagine. Yeah, I was with Dom one time, and me and Dom Cruise, he was just like, try to sleep me. And I'm like, okay. And you know how fast he is and how, like, I swing and he's over here. You know, it was like, oh, it was so humiliating. But. And then he just. Was just grappling me and not letting me move, and he's like. He's like, don't ever. Don't ever, when you're in a fight, be like, do something. Do something. This is what it feels like. You know, he was just keeping me there, and I'm like, oh, I have much more respect for just. Yeah. When someone's even just holding someone against the fence, that. That feels awful.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

You know, it drains you. It drained me. Yeah. And then to start a fresh round where I'm trying to sleep him was. It was. It was impossible. It was impossible to begin with, but it was even more impossible.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, his footwork is ridiculous. It's ridiculous. And he really invented a lot of his footwork. Like, his footwork is very. Dom Dominick Cruz, when he was the champion, when he was a bantamweight champion, had some of the most elusive footwork that anybody had ever seen before. It was so unique and so Different. And you couldn't get anybody to emulate it in training, because Dom's system, he. He pretty much developed on his own. And there's a lot of videos of him training it, a lot of videos of him moving. And it's so unusual that you see guys in front of him and they're just mesmerized because it's step, step here, step, step there, pop, step, step here, kick, step, step here, elbow. And you're like, fuck, where is he?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, and that was such a smart. Because he's such an intelligent guy, which is why he's such a great, like, MMA analyst.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, he's so good, so smart.

[Joe Rogan]

And he just really figured out, like, okay, I don't have the most power. I'm not the strongest guy. I'm not the biggest guy. What. What can I have? What can I develop that gives me an advantage over everybody? Well, I can be, like, the most elusive, the most slick, moving guy that's ever existed, and I feel like a

[Travis Barker]

lot of people in his division adopted it from him. Oh, for sure figured it out, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, they had to adapt.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, when that guy's, you know, dominating people and you can't do anything about it, I mean, he humiliated a lot of people. He was in front of them, and they developed this style that was fine. If someone's standing right in front of you and engaging with you, like, right in front of you and there to be hit and taking a shot and then giving one back. Don was doing none of that. He's like, whoop, here.

[Travis Barker]

I'm over here.

[Joe Rogan]

He was like, you know, very much like Lomachenko did in boxing, just doing weird shit that people hadn't seen before and really kind of, again, developed it on his own. If you look at, like, his. The camp that he came out of in San Diego, there wasn't other guys doing it like that. It was really just him.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Very, very unique guy. But I love that there's styles that sort of rise that. That exist, that someone just sort of creates. They just realize, like, what. What do I have physically as, you know, as my tools, and how can I implement these tools in a way that's different than anything that these guys have seen before?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Because there was nothing like him. No, there was nothing.

[Joe Rogan]

But then you see guys that came up after him, guys like TJ Dillashaw, who was also awesome with footwork. And, you know, a lot of his work guarantee was inspired by watching Dominic and a lot of these other guys that are these Corey Sanhagen, guys that are constantly switching stances, same thing. They all the, this, the style developed out of that. Because before Dominick Cruz, there really was no one who had footwork like that. Not even close. And so when you see tj, you know, like who in, in my opinion was one of the greatest bantamweights of all time, like when he beat Hen and Barao, like, one of which was Hen and Barao at the time was thought to be, if not the best pound for pound fighter in the world. At least number two behind Jose Aldo. And he was undefeated. And TJ just styled on him. I mean it was. And he went out there like he was sparring. It wasn't even like he was fighting for the world title. He went out there like super loose and focused and relaxed and just switching stances and cutting angles and hitting him with shots and move to the left and hitting him with a head kick to the right. Like.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. He put on a show that fight.

[Joe Rogan]

One of the greatest title winning performances in the history of the sport, for sure.

[Travis Barker]

I wish, I wish he, he didn't, you know, struggle with so many injuries.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

And everything because he was.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a tragedy.

[Travis Barker]

Phenomenal.

[Joe Rogan]

It is a tragedy. I mean, he has significant shoulder injuries, like to the point where I think he's gonna have to get artificial shoulders.

[Travis Barker]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

As he had no super spinatus on both arms that was just completely ripped off and he would just like strengthen all the other muscles and just deal with it and then it would just pop out. You know, when he fought out Jermaine Sterling, he told the referee in the green room, he said, my shoulder's gonna pop out, but it's okay. I'll put it back. Let me keep fighting. Imagine that you're going to fight Al Jermaine Sterling for the world title, who's a beast and one of the best grapplers ever. And you're thinking I, I have to deal with the fact that my shoulder is going to definitely get dislocated in this fight because it just doesn't stay. Yeah, it's just this loose fucking thing that just pops out all the time. And he's trying to fight and just, just all will and discipline and intensity.

[Travis Barker]

Wait, that was Dom's shoulder too, right towards the end.

[Joe Rogan]

Dom had a bunch.

[Travis Barker]

I mean, he had the acls.

[Joe Rogan]

He had acls? Yeah. The shoulder was the last one. That was the last straw. His last shoulder surgery. Yeah. I mean, look, it's. The human body is not designed to be punched and kicked and to Be grappled and strangled and twisted and armed. Barred. It's like at a certain point in time, it just gives out. Yeah, that's just how it is.

[Travis Barker]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

And it sucks because, you know, some of these guys have so much more to give in their mind, and their body just fails them after a certain point in time. And you see that with some of these older guys. It's like they've just had a bunch of knee surgeries and maybe a back surgery and this and that, and then they're a shadow of themselves inside the octagon.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, sometimes it's sad to watch, you know, but I. I also understand the feeling of that's all, you know, and you just want to keep fighting.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's also. They have this insane belief in themselves, and they always think that it's what

[Travis Barker]

got them there also, you know, that's

[Joe Rogan]

how they became a champion in the first place. Like, people telling you, you never play the drums. You're never gonna run, you're never gonna. And you're like, I'll show you. And that's how they all are. They're all like, I'll show. And, like, it's over. You gotta hang it up. It's over. Your time is gone. Like, no, no, no. I got one more in me.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I got.

[Joe Rogan]

I got three or four more fights in me. I'm gonna fight until I'm 41 or whatever it is.

[Travis Barker]

That would be so hard. I think of Dustin and I think of, like, even his fight against Islam and his fight against what's the French fighter, Benoit. Yeah. Yeah, Dog. I couldn't tell myself I need to hang up the gloves if I fought like that. Those fights. He's a fucking beast. Like, Dustin, to me, isn't. He doesn't look like he's at the end of his career. He's still very competitive, and I think that was the best fight against Islam in anyone's fought, you know, it was

[Joe Rogan]

a very good fight. He's elite. I mean, Dustin's an elite fighter, so

[Travis Barker]

I could see being Dustin and struggling with, like, ah, this is hard for me to stop fighting. Because you're that good.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, with Dustin, the. The physical issues aren't even really, like, joints and neck, and it's his head. He's had too many brain injuries, and that's. He's got some sort of a separation between the two halves of his brain. There's, like, some issue with the. The center of his brain. I don't know.

[Travis Barker]

I didn't even know about that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he's talked about it pretty openly, but, I mean, you know, he had that. That incident where he got drunk and got crazy. That. But that's a lot of. That is cte, I guarantee. And, you know, he's. He's doing a lot of things to try to mitigate that, and he's seeking help. And really, there are some ways that you can recover, at least in some way, and improve on what you're doing. But I think for him, it's best to not be fighting anymore. You know, it's just at a certain point in time, you're only going to accumulate more damage, and then whatever you're dealing with now is just going to get worse, and then maybe you can't recover from it.

[Travis Barker]

True.

[Joe Rogan]

And, you know, he's got a family, and he's in this situation where it's like, I want to be there for my family. I don't want to be this guy that's, like, completely compromised when I'm 50, 60 years old, where I can't walk anymore and someone's got to take me around and hold my hand.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because there are guys like that, you know, especially, like, older boxers. You run into some old boxers, and it's like. It's really sad, man.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, you see guys like Tommy Hearns talking. It was, like, not much older than me, and you see him talking and moving around, you're like. Like, he paid a price.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

These guys pay a price. It's a rough way to make a living.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. The fight game is crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

It's the craziest.

[Travis Barker]

I'm happy my drums don't hit me back straight up. You know, I'm like, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's also. You can do what you do for a long time. I mean, you can play drums for a long time. When you're fighting, your peak is such a small window of life, and it's just you. There's so much that you have to pour into it, and then eventually you have to realize that that window's closed and you have to move on. Even though you're still young and you still have all this life. And look at a guy like Dustin. He looks fucking great. You know, he looks great. He sounds great. When you're talking to him, he seems like he's all there physically. He looks like he's never been better, but the windows closed. You know, there's. Yeah, there's these young guys coming up, and they don't have the injuries that you have. They don't have the problems that you have. They don't have the wear and tear, and. And they're gonna get to you before you get to them. And maybe they wouldn't have gotten to you five years ago or six years ago or. But they can now, and it's just not there anymore. And it's hard for guys to accept because their entire identity is based on this one thing that's very fleeting.

[Travis Barker]

So that's. That would be the most difficult thing in the world.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But the glory that they experience is above and beyond anything we're ever gonna know.

[Travis Barker]

I heard someone talking about it, and they. They were saying, imagine being a cage fighter, and it's all you've prepared for for the last 20 years. To be locked in a cage in your underwear, to scrap with someone and have the most grueling fight camps, and then you're just. We're just gonna take you out of it, and you can't do that anymore.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

It's like that's all you've known. You know, it's a. They experienced a different life than us.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, Their highs are way higher.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And.

[Travis Barker]

Highest of highs, lowest of lows.

[Joe Rogan]

The rest of the life is kind of gray and dull in comparison to the bright lights. I mean, it's like Connor keeps trying to come back. It's like all these guys. It's like that thing like, Connor's worth, like, half a billion dollars. Like, he doesn't have to do anything anymore if he doesn't want to.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But he still has this thing inside of him where he wants to reclaim that lost glory, whatever.

[Travis Barker]

The discipline that Khabib had where he could just. He completely walked out on top, right? Yeah, on top. That. That's beautiful. And if everyone could have the. The discipline to do it like that, that, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. But that guy.

[Travis Barker]

That's rare.

[Joe Rogan]

That guy's got Mount Everest discipline. It's like a different kind of discipline. And he's.

[Travis Barker]

Why, he's one of the greatest.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. One of the greatest of all time. And that's why. You know, what's interesting is he stayed training. He's been training ever since he retired, and he says he's much better now than when he retired.

[Travis Barker]

Wow. Could you imagine?

[Joe Rogan]

Isn't it crazy? He says he watches his old fights and he sees mistakes that he made and how he would do it differently now, how he does things differently in training now. And I know guys who train with him, and they say he's fucking mauls people. He's mauling these, like, you know, top 10 UFC contenders and he gets in with them, they, they can't hold on to him. He's fucking, he's an animal.

[Travis Barker]

I believe it.

[Joe Rogan]

And he's not, not even training, not even thinking about fighting again. But he's an awesome coach now too. And having a guy like that in your corner, imagine the inspiration that a young fighter gets having Khabib Nurmagomedov coach them. Like you're being coached by one of the most ruthless, disciplined guy that's ever competed in the sport. Retired, undefeated, one of the rare ones. And he's your coach and you want to make him happy, you want to make him proud.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Having his guidance.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Well, he's going to be in Islam's corner this weekend. I'm leaving tomorrow, dude, I can't wait. It's going to be sick.

[Travis Barker]

I can't wait.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a good fight. Very, very interesting fight because Ian Machado, Gary, is a very difficult guy to get a hold of. Very tall and long.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Fast as good striker, very smart, knows how to win, knows how to adapt and change.

[Travis Barker]

Islam striking is fierce too, though.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah? Yeah. It's a lot better than Islam used to be and at like the same level as all the other guys in the sport, which is really crazy because his grappling is above and beyond. So it's like you're dealing with a guy who, there's no picnic on the feet. He'll fuck you up on the feet. I mean, he knocked out Volkanovski with a head kick. He's elite on the feet. And then when it comes to the ground, there's no one like him. There's no one like him in the division, in any division. He is a crusher and he just crushes people.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, he's nasty.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, you think about how good Charles Oliveira is, one of the greatest submission artists of all time. Islam got him down to the ground and just smushed him, just crushed him quickly, just made him tap quick. It was incredible.

[Travis Barker]

Fight was going to be more competitive.

[Joe Rogan]

Everybody did.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But that's how good Islam is, you know, and he's also a guy that like, you cannot train harder than him. Him, it's not humanly possible. So he goes into every event knowing it is impossible for someone to train harder than him. It's impossible for someone to have tougher people in camp than he has. I mean, those guys out of Dagestan are on a completely different level. I mean, there is an entire room filled with absolute savages and they're just getting after it every day, full discipline. No one drinks, no one parties, no one does everything. They pray five times a day. They're super religious and they're just driven.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And, you know, he comes into that fight with that kind of confidence because of that. It's going to be a fun weekend. Yeah, that main event is very tricky because Ian can move, man. He's a really slick guy, really tall, and he's also very fast and long. So he's going to have a significant height and reach advantage. He's going to be moving all over the place landing. And if Islam is not careful in how he engages, he could get caught. And you can only get caught by a guy like Ian a couple of times, if at all, you know, before you're in trouble. So it should be very interesting. Those are the kind of fights I love that are a puzzle.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. It's like styles make fights. Oh, yeah, that one. That's like a great example.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, yes. And it's also. Ian has this insane confidence. He has this insane belief that he's special, that, you know, this is his destiny and that, you know, I mean, he's. It looks like that at every weigh in, it looks like that at every stare down, it looks like that at every press conference. Like, this is his destiny. He really believes that. Which is another huge thing that a fighter has to have like almost a delusional belief in themselves.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I saw an interview where he was. He actually said he believes in the balance with his family, with every part of his life. Where most fighters will only focus on fighting during the eight to 10 weeks they're fighting or they're training. And he's like, no, I actually need everything to be in order to make this one thing go great. So I believe in more balance than imbalance.

[Joe Rogan]

I think it interesting depends entirely on the person and also depends entirely on what does your family look like. You know, what is the relationship with your wife and your children like? Is it harmonious and is it. Do you get love from it and strength and inspiration? Or is there chaos? Is there like arguing all the time and bickering and pettiness and like the

[Travis Barker]

Mark Carr fight, the.

[Joe Rogan]

The Movie Machine?

[Travis Barker]

Oh, my God. When she's fighting, when she's squabbing with him right before he go fight, I was like, ah. I was like, oh, I could feel for him.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, dude.

[Travis Barker]

I've seen before.

[Joe Rogan]

I've seen that with multiple fighters. Multiple. I know one guy who during the night before the fight, his girlfriend at the time would always start fights with him, like huge fights, like, because she didn't like that this one thing, fighting was more important to him than her. She wanted to be the entire focus of his attention. And where there was this thing that was taking away, she was a complete narcissist. This thing that was taking away from his attention to her, she would sabotage it. So she would start fights, she would storm out of the hotel room, slam the door and just be gone. Shut her phone off. And here he is freaking out. He's got a fight for the world title in, you know, whatever, 20 hours, and he's. He's dealing with this nonsense.

[Travis Barker]

It's the worst. I can't imagine.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I think that's why some guys, they'd rather take that isolated approach. They just. They would rather just do the spartan thing and just be alone in camp and sleep on a cot and wake up in the morning and run and just live this, like, very hard six to eight week life.

[Travis Barker]

I feel that part. Like I can't even. Even leading up to shows, I can't be too comfortable.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Travis Barker]

Oh, no. Like I can't get a massage before I go play or be chilling in my hotel room. I need to be uncomfortable. Really? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Why is that?

[Travis Barker]

I don't know. It's just. That's all I've known too, you know, it's like that. I don't know. I came up, like, lugging my own gear around, setting up my drums and then waiting for the show to start. And I don't. I can't just watch a movie before I play or wake up from a nap. It's just. It's just not in me. I'm up jump roping. I'm up, like, watching fights. I'm up going for a run, practicing, learning something new. That's the best headspace for me to be in.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I would imagine the difference between drumming and, I think any other kind of musical instrument is that it's so physical. It's so physical that it's like a workout. Like you. You have to be in shape to drum. You have to.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I can't feel sluggish. Like, I don't know. I'm. I'm a fucking weirdo, though. I'm like worried about, like, what I eat. Like, do I have enough energy? Have I? You know what I mean? Yeah. And just jump roping right before I play.

[Joe Rogan]

Dialing it in, right. And knowing what you need because of the experiences that you've had. You've had so many experiences, so many performances that you can just dial it in. I think that in that way, it's very similar to fighting, is that every fighter has to have their own approach. And Ian's approach is to have his family with him all the time. And Islamist Kachev's approach is very different. It's like Spartan, all those guys together. You eat and train with the guys. Just separate yourself from everything.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, it's super personal.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it's got to be personal because everybody's got a different. Everyone has a different personality, different mindset, different. Different triggers. Different things that fuck with them, different things that calm them down, you know?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Also, I have all these weird whatever where I'm jump roping, running, practicing for hours before I go on stage. And then there's the times where everything. I get thrown a curveball and I get to the venue five minutes before and I can go up and do it, like, no problem, because I think I've done all this other preparation. It's like, I also know it works without it.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, right. You're always ready. Stay ready. So you're always ready.

[Travis Barker]

Yes, I live by that.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

Stay ready so you don't have to get ready. Yeah, that's the goal.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, well, fighters have that, too, because the fighters that get, like, really out of shape in between fights, they're the ones that really struggle.

[Travis Barker]

Like Patty, where you see him blow up, like, a week later, it's like,

[Joe Rogan]

yeah, but the same person, Patty, It's a little deceptive, really. Patty gets fat, but he doesn't get out of shape. Patty's got incredible endurance and an insane work ethic, but he also really loves to live and live life, you know, so have a few beers, eat some pizza, get fat. But he still could go to the gym and probably outwork everybody. Like, it's. There's no way you're in the kind of shape that that guy's in if you're not training all the time. So even when he gets fat, it's just eating. He's just eating piles of food. I'm sure if you. You. If. I'm sure when you see him with his big moon face, if he got to the gym and worked out, you'd

[Travis Barker]

be like, yeah, still a beast.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's not like he's going to be exhausted and lying on his back after one round in the bag. No. Like he's. It's only fat.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, and then he's got the. And then there's also this part of the discipline of the weight cut is like this locking in and focusing where you're measuring all your food. And, like, there's. There's a certain shift in the mindset that takes place when he goes from being fat to ripped, and he goes from being fat to ripped. I mean, he does it better than anybody because everyone looks at him like, oh, that guy's never gonna make weight. And then he shows up at the weigh ins, shredded, chiseled.

[Travis Barker]

I don't think I see anyone with as big of a transformation.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, his is beyond. And people love him for it, too. That's also part of the craziness of it. They celebrate it. It's so silly.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, he's so likable. Yeah, he's. He's. Yeah, he's great.

[Joe Rogan]

So fucking skillful, too. What he did to Benoit San Denis was nuts.

[Travis Barker]

That Gaethje fight was like, oh, yeah. That was one of the best fights I've seen in person.

[Joe Rogan]

It was an awesome.

[Travis Barker]

Where I was like, what the fuck just happened? You know?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you see what Gaethje just did to Iliad de Poria. And now you realize how fucking tough Patty is. Yeah, Patty's tough. He's. He's silly and he's playful and he's a lot of fun and everybody loves him and he's all likable and he's. He's dancing around. But yeah, when it gets down to it, that is tough as nails.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Scary how. How quick that was. Yeah. And Gaethje's just. Thank God for him. Yeah. He's so. I, I, so. I was so happy.

[Joe Rogan]

Me too. It was incredible. And seeing him do that in the White House, on the lawn of the White House and win the world title when everybody thought he was like a 6 to 1 underdog on some sports books, which is nuts, I thought that was very disrespectful.

[Travis Barker]

I love.

[Joe Rogan]

His interview was crazy. Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

And when he was like, I couldn't. I couldn't let him fucking win just based on what I. How bad he was gonna disrespect me after he beat me, the shit he was gonna say on the mic or whatever, I was like, nah, it wasn't gonna happen. I love that.

[Joe Rogan]

I love that sometimes you fuck with a guy's head so much that you give him fuel to recover and survive when he might not be able to ordinarily, but the thing about Gaethje is he has zero quit in him. You can't get him to quit. He's never going to quit. It's like you could break his body down like Max Holloway did and knock him Unconscious. And there's nothing he can do about that. You get knocked unconscious. You're knocked unconscious. It's just physical.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I've never seen. I've never seen Gagey like that. You know, in the Max fight, that was.

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Travis Barker]

And I love Max, and I just. Yeah, that was, like, shocking.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it was pretty crazy. It was pretty crazy. It was. That was. And then to have him go from that to become the world champion just a year and a half, two years later, whatever. It was amazing.

[Travis Barker]

Sick story.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's a great sport, man. I mean, there's nothing like it in terms of, like, the true intensity and the emotions and the excitement. There's nothing like it. I think the last time I saw you was at a UFC at the Apex. I think that's the last time we

[Travis Barker]

ran into each other in Ganwa and Stipe fought.

[Joe Rogan]

Was that what it was? Wow. Wasn't that crazy?

[Travis Barker]

Oh, being in that small venue when that happened was like.

[Joe Rogan]

Small venue, no audience. There was probably like maybe 50 people in the whole room. Maybe a hundred in the whole room.

[Travis Barker]

You could hear a needle drop, too, when it happened. I think that's the first fight I took my wife to, and she was like.

[Joe Rogan]

Like what?

[Travis Barker]

Like. Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that was a devastating fight, too. And there was also. You have a heavyweight fight in the small octagon. So the Apex, for people that don't know, has an octagon that I think is 30 or 40% smaller.

[Travis Barker]

Damn. Is it that much smaller?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. How much smaller is. Let's put that into perplexity. Ask it. How much smaller is the UFC apex? Octagon versus the regular octagon. Octagon that they use in arenas.

[Travis Barker]

And you're trapped in there with Francis.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly, exactly. And also Francis looking for revenge.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Because this is Steepe. Beat Francis in his first loss. Okay. 30. 30, less space. That's a lot, man. 30 is crazy. So you can see the images there. The. When you see the apex next to the. The big one, the pay per view one, like that is a. A, A lot of space. And you're just stuffed in there with a guy who is one of the absolute scariest guys that's ever lived. And you can't move. You know, there's not a lot of movement. A lot of people like that because it's kind of, you know, forces action. But I think the space provides more of a canvas, you know, no pun intended, for them to paint their masterpiece. You gotta be able to have angles to get out. And if you're just Constrained by an object, which is a fence, when maybe if that object wasn't there, you could move to the side, move in and counter. You know, like, think like when Sugar Sean o' Malley knocked out Al Jermaine Sterling. And Al Jermaine is pressing forward now. If the cage was closer, he wouldn't have been able to move back as far it. Like, it cuts off a lot of the possibilities. Yeah, cuts off a lot of things.

[Travis Barker]

That was another shocker, right?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, it was amazing.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

When Sean did that at the White House and saluted when he knocked out that guy. And then.

[Travis Barker]

And the walk off and hard. So hard.

[Joe Rogan]

And he said he envisioned it, which is even cooler. Like, he saw it in his mind. That's what he was gonna do.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, that was great. He had actually. We were texting back and forth. He's like, I need to knock him out. And I was like. When it happened, I was like, oh, that's. That's just like right off into the sunset, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, in his position, he really needed something special. Special because Merab versus Petr Yan wasn't formula, wasn't form formally announced yet. And it was thought, like, maybe if Sean had a spectacular event, he could get the next shot at the title because he has a victor over Peter Yan. That didn't come to be. So now Petr Yan and Merab are having a rematch. And after that rematch, if I had a guess, it's most likely going to be Sean fighting for the title again,

[Travis Barker]

and he has that win over Peter. So that's exciting. Right?

[Joe Rogan]

But he doesn't have a win over Merab. So if Merah wins the title again, he's going to be like, fuck, yeah.

[Travis Barker]

It's like you said, style, styles make fights.

[Joe Rogan]

That's it. Yeah. I mean, it doesn't mean that he can't beat Merab. I mean, I think Sean could beat anybody, but it's just he's got to figure out whatever it is that he needs to figure out to solve that puzzle. That is that little Georgian Tasmanian Devil that never gets tired.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, Just. He's like the Energizer Rabbit. Like, just keeps going.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, have you ever seen what Merab's face looks like? When they did, like, an X ray of his face, an mri, his broken nose?

[Travis Barker]

No.

[Joe Rogan]

It might be the most insane broken nose I've ever seen in my life.

[Travis Barker]

I always say he's not going to get it fixed.

[Joe Rogan]

He's not gonna get it fixed because then he'll have to take a year off of fighting. Not Only a year off of fighting. I don't think he can even spar for a long time, so. He can't. That's what his nose looks like. Whoa.

[Travis Barker]

Yo, it looks like. Do you know who Puss Head is?

[Joe Rogan]

No.

[Travis Barker]

Okay. Puss Head's the illest artist ever. He did, like, Misfits. He did, like, Metallica stuff. He did these skulls. Tell me that doesn't look like. That looks like Merav's face top right. Right there. So he's the illest. He did like Zora Black skateboarding. Did a bunch of Thrasher stuff. Yeah, that's.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, exactly.

[Travis Barker]

We gotta. Yeah, Rob's gotta do a skull T shirt or some kind of merch with that.

[Joe Rogan]

Dude, look at. He totally should. That should be his logo. Look at that nose, man. Look at the break of the bone, how hard it's turned towards his right eye. I mean, it's really insane. I mean, he must not have any ability to get oxygen out of that nose.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

His cardio must be all mouth breathing, which is even more insane when you think about how much endurance that guy has.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at his nose. I mean, it's crazy. The twist in that thing is insane. I mean, it's like it covers part of his vision.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I feel like he's, what, he's been out, what, six, seven months now.

[Joe Rogan]

It's been a while. Yeah, it's been a while since he fought again. I mean, but it was because he lost the title to Pyotr and now they're gonna have a rematch.

[Travis Barker]

And what? He had defended the belt three times in that year, right?

[Joe Rogan]

I think it was three times. Yeah. Well, it was definitely a strength of schedule. Was. Was tough because, you know, you're going through these camps, you have these brutal weight cuts. It's like your body gets worn out and. But then there's also Pyotr Yan, who had fought Mara before and lost to him and realized what was necessary to beat the guy and fought a perfect fight.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, that performance was amazing.

[Joe Rogan]

Jan is a assassin too, man. He's a scary guy. He's a ruthless, mean, technical, vicious guy. And now he already knows that he can beat Merab. So it's going to be interesting to see, like, who makes the adjustments in the rematch. When is. Is that happening? Is that scheduled? The Maram fight? I think it is. I don't know when it Is, but I'm 90 sure that they've scheduled that fight. That might be Salt Lake City. Is that the Salt Lake City fight? I don't know, but it's exciting.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's a. It's a great time for the sport. I mean, the sport is. It's on fire right now. Tbd. Tbd? But it is announced. No. I mean, no, the Salt Lake City has a TBD for that. Oh, but does. If you look up Merab versus Purion, too, does it say where it's happening? Usually it says his next fight on the thing I'm looking at. It doesn't have anything popping about. I'm pretty sure they've announced that that's happening.

[Travis Barker]

LA card.

[Joe Rogan]

It looks crazy. You going?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I think so.

[Joe Rogan]

That should be fun.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Are you. How far are you touring right now at all? Like, what's going on?

[Travis Barker]

No, I'm just in the studio this year. Finished writing and producing a few albums and then was finishing this document.

[Joe Rogan]

So what is the LA card? Right now? It's Pantoja versus Joshua. I'm seeing a post that says it's reported to happen in Abu Dhabi in October. Oh, the rematch with Peter Yan and Merab. Yep. Okay, that sounds. That makes sense. That'd be a good one for Abu Dhabi. Yeah. Yeah. The LA card's gonna be sick. So it's Armand Sarukian versus Mauricio Hoofy. That's gonna be insane.

[Travis Barker]

Micano versus Ortega.

[Joe Rogan]

That's this weekend.

[Travis Barker]

Oh, sorry.

[Joe Rogan]

Which one did you want? The LA card. Oh, my bad. No worries. That's it. Yeah. So the rematch between Joshua Van.

[Travis Barker]

Dude, I can't wait to see what happens. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Man, that Pantosia arm break was such a bummer.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

To have him fall back like that. Got. Yeah. Moicano versus Brian Ortega. Yeah. Should be fun. Gable Stevenson again. Cheeto. Yeah. Against Charles Jordan. Yeah, should be fun. LA crowds are always fun too, because UFC doesn't get to LA very often. It's always pretty hyped up.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I'm excited when it comes to la. I love Vegas, but something about la, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

You still like living there?

[Travis Barker]

Los Angeles? Yeah, Yeah, I love it.

[Joe Rogan]

I mean, do you feel any difference over the last five years, six years since the pandemic?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I mean, for me, my goal is to not drive past DeSoto. That's. That's the goal. That's like my living is wake up with, you know, my wife and my kids, go to the studio, come back. Well, I actually. I just bought a garage where I keep all my cars. So some days I'll leave my house. It's a three mile run. I'll run to my garage, pick up one of my Old school cars, drive to the studio, then drive back home. That's the perfect day. Oh, that's nice. I don't drive past desoto.

[Joe Rogan]

That's nice.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If you could do that and avoid the real chaos. That's the center of the hive of la.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Once in a while, I'll. I'll get out if it's like, you know, someone's a show or something that, you know, me and the wife want to do or me and the kids. But other than that, studio, home. Studio, home, train smart. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, that's definitely a better life.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I have friends that live in the heart of it. Like, in West Hollywood. I'm like, what is it like? Like, it's not the same. Yeah, it's not the same. It's just.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I couldn't do it. The days I'm in the city, I have a bunch of stuff I'll hit, you know, like, I'll go to crossroads, I'll go do whatever, but it's rare.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I can only imagine.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Did you ever think about getting out?

[Travis Barker]

I don't know if I could do it yet. I think, like, for what I do, you know, besides, like, playing in Blink or touring. When I'm home, I'll get a call and they'll say, hey, hey, can we come by the studio? I want to make this with you. I want you to play drums on this. I'll see game walking in my neighborhood. Trav, I need you on this record. Blah, blah, blah. I just. There's so much that happens right there for me. I think they'll come a time where I don't need to be there. But right now, I feel like I'm in demand, and I'm playing on a bunch of stuff, and I'm recording a bunch of stuff, so it makes sense for me.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you ever have some thought about, like, living in the country and retiring somewhere, just, like, laying back?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, we. We were on tour, and there was a huge storm in Nashville area, so we were in Franklin for a few days. Franklin, Tennessee. And we immediately started looking at houses. Like, we gotta go here. But we kind of do that everywhere we go. You know, we. You know, you travel, you go on vacation. You're like, we want to live here. We want to get a spot here. But I do love Southern California. We have a spot up north, like in Santa Barbara. I love Santa Barbara as well. I love the desert.

[Joe Rogan]

Santa Barbara's awesome.

[Travis Barker]

I feel like moving around in Southern California keeps things fresh, like, going to the desert for a Week or a few days going to Santa Barbara, and then during the week staying in Calabasas or, like, Los Angeles and, you know, working out of there.

[Joe Rogan]

The Montecito area is insane.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, Montecito.

[Joe Rogan]

Gorgeous.

[Travis Barker]

And I also feel like the desert, like Coachella out there is. You feel like you're in a different world. You feel much further away from LA and all the chaos than you are. Yeah, it's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, no doubt. I mean, how many people have gone out to the desert just to try to find themselves?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, true.

[Joe Rogan]

It's a very unique environment out there.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Kind of weird that they decided to put music festivals out there.

[Travis Barker]

I know. It's wild. You know, one of my best friends, I. When I. When I left home at a. At around like, 16, 17, my dad had given me a couple options to. He said, join the military, like me, start paying rent or take off. So I took off, right. Was a trash man in Laguna beach for a while. Then I moved to Riverside and I lived with my friend Bill Foles. He had this. This promoting company called 98 Posse. And he would do everything from raves to punk rock shows, hardcore shows, anything. And he ended up starting Coachella. And he's just been. He was obsessed. Like what we talked about earlier, he was one of those people that were obsessed, and. And I watched him build this amazing festival, and, yeah, he's just pretty. Pretty awesome. But the city of Coachella is. It's crickets. All the rest of the year, there's nothing. It gets so hot. It's 115. Most businesses close down halfway, you know, through the day. They're open for the morning, and then when Coachella happens, the city thrives, and it's just, you know, chaos.

[Joe Rogan]

Are they happy with that? That seems like there's probably a lot of conflicted people.

[Travis Barker]

I don't know. I don't own a business out there, but I. I bet for everyone that's struggling, when it's 115, 120, and no one's coming out of the house. Right. I feel like they're almost like Coachella saves them. Like, the festival saves everybody.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, definitely. Just the volume of people in the

[Travis Barker]

town, the volume of people that comes through, I think saves all the businesses for sure. If you have a business when we're out there and it's not like the season or whatever they call it, and it's considered too hot, most businesses are open front from 9 to 1pm that

[Joe Rogan]

drive out to the desert, though, is like, better make sure your air Conditioning works.

[Travis Barker]

Yep.

[Joe Rogan]

And no old school cars. Don't be taking none of your old school cars on that trip.

[Travis Barker]

Well, don't. The only thing I've driven from LA to La Quinta out there is. Have you ever heard of Velocity? Yeah, I got a K5 from them.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice.

[Travis Barker]

You could drive that out there. But Sagara has one of those. Yeah, they're sick.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he got one of their, their blazers.

[Travis Barker]

They make such a great K5.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, he loves his. Yeah, they, they.

[Travis Barker]

I think I've seen his. Yeah, it's all black. Oh, it's brown.

[Joe Rogan]

It's brown.

[Travis Barker]

I'm colorblind.

[Joe Rogan]

Are you really?

[Travis Barker]

I'm severely colorblind. I have to ask my two and a half year old son what color things are sometimes. That's how bad it is. Like I'll be like, what, what color is your favorite? And then he'll tell me, what color.

[Joe Rogan]

Does that look black to you?

[Travis Barker]

Kinda. Yeah, that really looks black to me.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

Well, that's pretty dark.

[Joe Rogan]

That's in the shadows. That's like back.

[Travis Barker]

I have a all. I have an all black one.

[Joe Rogan]

What a sick looking truck.

[Travis Barker]

So a lot of people build these K5s and they do resto mods, but they, they're either overbuilt and they don't drive great or it's like it's. It's over. It's either overbuilt or it doesn't run great or they do too much. Like this isn't overdone. They make the perfect rest of model.

[Joe Rogan]

It's reliable?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, it's reliable.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

Oh yeah, there's mine.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, nice. Oh, you got it. Very old school looking. I love it.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I wanted it to look almost like bone stock. It does. I have a couple K5s, but this is the Velocity one. I have a. I have a OG orange one with plaid interior. That's 72. That still has the, the old school engine and everything.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really?

[Travis Barker]

And it just stays in Palm Springs. And that's where we drive, that one.

[Joe Rogan]

Does it have the old school brakes too?

[Travis Barker]

Nah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, fuck that.

[Travis Barker]

That's it right there. But see how it look, it looks like it shouldn't leave Palm Springs. You know, my wife drives that a lot.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's cool. Yeah, K vibes are dope. I have a 72 Bronco from Icon.

[Travis Barker]

Sick. Icon was great. Yeah, they made a blazer.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, they did.

[Travis Barker]

I almost bought it. It was so good. And he's so cool is John.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I feel like he, he kind of set it all off Jonathan Ward.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

Oh, that's the one. Okay. So I built. I built that with Delmo and a couple people around la. I just took it from shop to shop. This was my version of a velocity.

[Joe Rogan]

But that thing's sick.

[Travis Barker]

It didn't drive as good as a Velocity restoration.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's also. You're so lifted.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, the handling on the thing must be rough, like going around corners and

[Travis Barker]

it was really cool. I was really proud of it.

[Joe Rogan]

It's beautiful.

[Travis Barker]

Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

That's very cool looking. There's something about that. Iconic, this design. There's something with the way those things look. Like, look at that. God, that looks awesome.

[Travis Barker]

I just remember as a kid seeing topless Chevy trucks. Like, I was like, what? This is. It doesn't get any better than this.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, it is. There's a weird thing about old school cars. They just. They spark something in you.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

They're more excited. Like, I like new cars. I love new cars. They're cool, but they don't have the same feeling. There's something about those old schools that's just like. It's mechanical, like you're connected to it, you know?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I mean, I'm a sucker for old Chevys and Cadillacs and I have a bunch that's like.

[Joe Rogan]

How many cars do you have now?

[Travis Barker]

I think I have 12. I have a lot of old school Impalas.

[Joe Rogan]

I love old school Impalas, like 65s.

[Travis Barker]

I have a 59.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, whoa. Real old school.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I have a 62 wagon. Impala, Impala, 63 convertible Impala. 60 Cadillac GNX.

[Joe Rogan]

60 Cadillacs are wild looking.

[Travis Barker]

It's so.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you have a picture of that thing?

[Travis Barker]

I think it might. It might be on the interweb somewhere.

[Joe Rogan]

1960 Cadillacs were crazy.

[Travis Barker]

Oh, that's my old. That's my old 1960 Caddy. I used to have that one. Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

Look at that thing. That is wild. Good luck parking that.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Nothing feels like that when you drive those cars.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, I'd imagine it's a boat. That feels like you're in the middle of the Queen Mary.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Look how that was my 53.

[Joe Rogan]

That's yours at the far right.

[Travis Barker]

These are all my, my. My cars in my collection from at some point in my life. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So you're an old soul, dude.

[Travis Barker]

I am.

[Joe Rogan]

There must be. There's something about you that connects with these things.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Old cars move. I don't know. I like the smell of them. I like everything.

[Joe Rogan]

They're just hard to maintain. You got a really good mechanic.

[Travis Barker]

It's hard. You know what kind of feels old school that I got recently, that. But that's new. Is the Chevy fox truck.

[Joe Rogan]

What is that?

[Travis Barker]

Thing's a beast. See if you could pull it up. It's the fox. The fox. Chevy Silverado.

[Joe Rogan]

Is this a new car that's come out recently?

[Travis Barker]

It's Chevy's answer to the. The raptor or the. The. The trx. That's mine right there. So it's usually. They usually have orange accents, but I did all mine matte black. So it's just. I think it has 6 or 700 horsepower. It has, like, Baja suspension. You could drive it anywhere.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's just like a raptor.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Why do I not know about this? That's crazy. The fox factory Silverado, that's my.

[Travis Barker]

That's my daily fox shocks. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

So fox shocks did a collaboration with them.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. The guts, like, you could literally jump this truck wherever the you want, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

So that's your daily driver.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I have a raptor.

[Travis Barker]

I love the Raptors, too.

[Joe Rogan]

I have a Hennessey raptor R. Oh, those are hard. That's fun. That's a beautiful truck.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

There's something about those kind of trucks, too, that's exciting. Thousand horsepower trucks. Ridiculous. It's like, how do they look at that thing flying through the air? That's so crazy. Do you ever take it on the dunes?

[Travis Barker]

I haven't yet. When they. When I bought it, they came out to. They came out to the desert and brought a couple, and we just whipped them around the desert. And we're supposed to plan a day where we go out and jump and do everything. And they're like, we'll even let you use one of your. Our trucks so we don't fuck up yours. So I was like, oh, that's nice. Appreciate that. Yeah. Because it is all carbon fiber fenders. It's pretty cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So they stretched it out and widened the wheelbase and everything. Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

And you can't even buy them in the states. Like, you have to. I mean, in California, you have to. I had to ship it from Vegas because of all of the extras because it's supercharged.

[Joe Rogan]

So California won't let you buy it.

[Travis Barker]

I had to go through this process of pretending I bought it somewhere else.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. What a goofy state.

[Travis Barker]

I'm. Yes. Super happy with it.

[Joe Rogan]

We are doing another studio. We're gonna do a studio at the circuit of the Americas racetrack. And so.

[Travis Barker]

Like this, huh? Cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Exactly. At that place, that racetrack.

[Travis Barker]

Sick.

[Joe Rogan]

So. Which is in Austin. And so what we're gonna do is have it set up where you're gonna be able to go around the track.

[Travis Barker]

We'll.

[Joe Rogan]

We'll, you know, do some laps and then pull in and then have a podcast.

[Travis Barker]

Cool. I love that.

[Joe Rogan]

Which would be great because you'll. I feel like, for your mind, your mind will be so jazzed up after you do a bunch of laps on a racetrack that you'll. You'll come in, you'll be like, ah,

[Travis Barker]

oh, ready to go? For sure.

[Joe Rogan]

It'll be really fun because I bet

[Travis Barker]

some people rile themselves up, like, to come up in here and get really nervous or like, I don't know.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, some people do.

[Travis Barker]

It's crazy.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, you've done it a bunch. You and I have talked and hung out before, so it's like. Like, it's easy.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

But for some people, it's like doing anything that's got a lot of views gets them weirded out. It's hard.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Yeah. I think you were honestly one of, like, the first podcasts I did, besides, like, Rich roll back in the day.

[Joe Rogan]

But how's Rich doing?

[Travis Barker]

He's great.

[Joe Rogan]

Is he okay? He was. He had some health issues. Right.

[Travis Barker]

I think. I think he just had, like, back surgery or something.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

But he's all, man, he's so cool. He reached out. I mean, he just reached out a couple days ago saying, I, I love your doc and I'd really love to talk to you again, so I'll definitely visit him. But when I was. When I started my running journey, he had reached out and was like, anything you need.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's cool.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, he was.

[Joe Rogan]

He's super nice guy.

[Travis Barker]

So cool.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, very, very nice guy. But, yeah, I'd read something about him having back problems, and I always get sad when I hear about people that have back problems and I hear they had surgery. Oh, he looks great.

[Travis Barker]

Looks like he's healthy.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, shredded.

[Travis Barker]

I feel like if you're running all the time or training all the time, you're bound to have some type of injury, too.

[Joe Rogan]

The back thing scares me, though, when people get surgery, because there's a lot of options other than surgery that are probably going to be better for most people.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Depending upon the situation, of course.

[Travis Barker]

I broke my back in four places in my accident.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, Jesus.

[Travis Barker]

And I didn't know about it because I was laid out in a burn center for six months and I never got any surgeries. Like, my doctor exactly said what you just said. It's like you healed perfect. Like it's me doing surgery. I can't guarantee you'd be any better place than you are now.

[Joe Rogan]

I have friends that have had back surgery and they have gotten better because of the back surgery. But I also have a lot of friends that got back surgery and they never were the same again. And they had to get another back surgery and then another one. And they have nerve damage, then their arms go numb and then they have abdomen atrophy in their limbs.

[Travis Barker]

And surgery's sketch.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it can be, but there's other ways around it when it comes to like disc issues. And this is one of the things that I try to highlight to people. There's prp, There's a place in LA and Santa Monica called Life Cycle. Is that it? But they do something called regenechine. And regenechine is a type of. I've gone to them or a bunch of times. How can I not remember the name of it? Isn't it Life Cycle? Life Cycle, Santa Monica. What's that? Lifespan. Lifespan, Sorry, Lifespan. Santa Monica Lifespan Medicine. Phenomenal place. Shout out to Moshe, my friend there. But they do prp. But it's a different kind of p. It's called regenechine. And what they do is they take your blood, they pull it out of your body, they spin it in a centrifuge and do some sort of process to it. And then they re inject it into you the next day into the discs. And it's an insanely potent anti inflammatory agent. And it was the first thing that I did that ever fixed my bulging discs, where I had bulging discs in my neck to the point where I was getting numbness in my fingers. Yeah. All from Jiu Jitsu.

[Travis Barker]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

And it was really getting me to the point where I was like, I don't think I can train anymore. Like every time I train I'm in agony. Like I, it keeps getting worse. And I would go in a chiropractor and he, he was full of. And they, they weren't helping me at all. And then this regenerachine thing. And like within a week I started feeling better. Two weeks later, no more numbness, no more tingling in my fingers. And then within a couple of months after that, I was fully healed. I got another mri, My disc had completely gone back in place.

[Travis Barker]

Wow, that's game changer.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Because it was pulling, it was pushing out and pressing against the nerve and it was causing pain, like nerve pain in my elbow and in my. It was the ulnar nerve. Same nerve that you were talking about.

[Travis Barker]

Scary. Right when you start. Start getting like tingly feelings in your fingers or you can't feel them.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It was also one of these things where I was like, okay, I think I might be done with jiu jitsu. Like this is a real problem. But I got back into it because of this. So regenerachine fixed that. And then I've also had stem cells now. Like stem cells can. Especially if you go to a place that really is on top of everything and that they're using state of the art stem cell technology. Like there's a lot of places you have to go out of the country like CPI down in Mexico.

[Travis Barker]

So I was going to ask you is there places in the States now ways to well.

[Joe Rogan]

Ways to well right here in Austin is the best place I've ever been to. I haven't been to the places overseas, but I've had phenomenal results with ways to well and I brought a bunch of people in that have had phenomenal. Like we just brought Jon Jones in recently. He's got hip problems. His hip feels much better. He said we brought a bunch of MMA fighters in Al. Jermaine Sterling, who was just here a couple days ago. He was there ways to well on Monday and so waste a. Well as like my friend Brigham who runs it is. It's literally like state of the art. Whatever the fucking science is at the moment, he's on top of it. And they've got hyperbaric chambers, they've got red light therapy, they've got every. Every single method of treating injuries and recovery. They. They're always on top of everything. They have a full gym down there. There. It's really sick. It's an awesome place. But for you being, you know, either when you're out here, if you ever want to get treated, if there's something wrong, if you have an injury, you could definitely go to here to Wastewell. We could also go to Tijuana, like Tijuana, where the CPI is. That's the place that has the. They have a partnership with the ufc. The Cellular Performance Institute in Tijuana. Amazing place.

[Travis Barker]

Wow.

[Joe Rogan]

I know the guys who run it and that's another very similar state of the art place. But they aren't restricted with the type of. There's different restrictions in America in terms of what you can and can't do down there. It's the Wild west. You can kind of do anything. And so I know a lot of people that have had pretty phenomenal results going there.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I'M wondering. I have this. I have this gene factor 5 where I clot really easy. So I wonder if I could do it.

[Joe Rogan]

Let's find out. What? Why would that.

[Travis Barker]

Like, for example, I can't do IVs.

[Joe Rogan]

Really? How come?

[Travis Barker]

Because I have really thick blood. I have a blood disorder. Really easy.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's a genetic variant.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Well, I didn't. I didn't really know about it. When. When my accident happened, I had a bunch of clots and just. So I put a filter that lives in my body forever. It's like a permanent filter that kind of, like, funnels the blood so it doesn't get stuck.

[Joe Rogan]

Where's the filter?

[Travis Barker]

It's like, between my back and my stomach.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. To stop anything coming up. Like big clots from my leg.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy shit.

[Travis Barker]

My heart or my head. So a filter. Mm.

[Joe Rogan]

What's it made out of?

[Travis Barker]

It's plastic, unfortunately, because I've read a bunch about him. I went on this whole journey because when I found out about it and they said we had to put this in you, or you could have died because you had huge clots, but you can't remove it. And they have a life expectancy of about 20 years. And then sometimes the filter breaks inside of you or. Oh. Could cause whatever. But. Yeah, just happened. Pma, positive mental attitude. It's not gonna happen.

[Joe Rogan]

How long ago did you get it put in?

[Travis Barker]

It was like my accident. Whatever year that was. 2008.

[Joe Rogan]

So it was almost 20 years ago. So you might have to get it taken out and get it in.

[Travis Barker]

You can't take it out. It's cemented to the wall. Yeah. So, like, you can't. You can't do anything with it now. Now, about 10 years later, they started making ones that are removable. Yeah, mine's not removable. IVC filter. Yeah, that's exactly.

[Joe Rogan]

They can't take it out and put a new one in that's removable. You sure?

[Travis Barker]

Positive.

[Joe Rogan]

That seems crazy.

[Travis Barker]

They say the. The surgery to take it out would be more life threatening than leaving it in. Whoa. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And so what happens if this thing breaks and fails?

[Travis Barker]

So, ironically, it could do the same thing a clot would do. It would go up to your heart or your head. Kill you.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, fuck, man. That's it. Huh? IVC filter devices stop blood clots and prevent them from traveling to the heart and lungs. Wow. Do you have to take any kind of medication for this?

[Travis Barker]

Just blood thinner when I. When I fly. Just when I fly, because I know I clot. Or if I'M If I'm on a tour bus for long, long periods of time, I gotta take a blood thinner. But then I don't take them every day because it's also a risk to be on blood thinners. And if you get in a car

[Joe Rogan]

accident or whatever, any kind of cut.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, but honestly, I forget about it. I forget it's even in there. Just. But yeah, just like. But you know how some people will go on, they'll do a marathon and then they'll get an iv. I can't do that or.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Travis Barker]

I just have to really be cautious about getting poked. Yeah. I had an incident that happened years ago where someone was just trying to find my vein and she had poked me tons of times, this nurse, and I had 30 clots just in one of my arms.

[Joe Rogan]

Holy fuck, dude.

[Travis Barker]

So, yeah, I've also learned the lesson of not being really cautious in what happens, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. So I can't believe you still spar when you have that. That seems nuts because, like you get leg kicked and develop a clot in your legs.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I could. My doctor's pretty cool and he doesn't over worry about too much or anything. He said, I'd rather you not have a blood thinner in your system if you're playing drums and you cut yourself open or if you're boxing or light sparring. So. Yeah, knock on wood.

[Joe Rogan]

So it's called factor five.

[Travis Barker]

Factor five. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it's just a rare genetic condition.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Wow. Well, I think a lot of people have it. I think there's. I don't. I don't know how rare it is, but yeah, the people do. You can have half a gene or a full gene, and I have the full one. So I'm really prone to clotting where my kids, like my one daughter, Alabama, she has half of it, so it's not as concerning, but she has to be cautious.

[Joe Rogan]

Huh.

[Travis Barker]

Whoa. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And is there anything you can do with supplements or anything like that that aids. That

[Travis Barker]

like a natural blood thinner is beet juice or like beet shots. So I pretty much have one every day. Baby aspirin.

[Joe Rogan]

Beet juice is supposed to aid also in like oxygen utilization, right?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I mean, I think Rich Roll

[Joe Rogan]

was actually the guy who told me about that.

[Travis Barker]

It was the pre workout before pre workouts.

[Joe Rogan]

Really?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, yeah. People would just slam beet juice or a shot of beet juice. I do it every show.

[Joe Rogan]

Beet juice.

[Travis Barker]

Mm. Beet shoot beet juice. Like an hour before you go on

[Joe Rogan]

stage drinking about 1 cup, 250ml of beetroot juice daily can help lower systolic blood pressure. The top number by a few points. The natural dietary nitrates in beets convert into nitric oxide in your body, which relaxes and widens your blood vessels to improve blood flow. Oh, so it's like nature's Viagra.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, it is, basically. Yeah. That and ginseng. My go to ginseng. I love ginseng.

[Joe Rogan]

Ginseng is awesome for energy.

[Travis Barker]

So good. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's kind of amazing how many different natural remedies there are that really work. And we were all sort of brainwashed when we were younger to think that the only thing that's good for you are drugs from the pharmaceutical company that if you have anything wrong with you, the medicine is all medicine. That's petroleum based pharmaceutical drug medicine and that's what's good for you. All that other herbal stuff is all for retards, it's all for nonsense. And hippies and people that don't read books.

[Travis Barker]

Well, because they brainwash us. Right, Yeah, I don't take any medicine. I don't take Advil. Tylenol.

[Joe Rogan]

Good for you.

[Travis Barker]

Anything.

[Joe Rogan]

That stuff, the thing about Tylenol or Advil, I should say for people that take non steroidal anti inflammatories like ibuprofen, that stuff is terrible for your gut.

[Travis Barker]

Isn't Tylenol super bad for you? Now they came out with, well, Tylenol.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, there was a really sad story that I read during the pandemic of this lady who had Covid and she was in so much pain that she kept pounding Tylenol and she died from liver toxicity because Tylenol, which has acetaminophen in it, kills people every year. Like how many people? We've. I know we've looked this up before, but I don't remember the number. But it's not. A small number of people die from acetaminophen poisoning from things like Tylenol every year. It's quite a few.

[Travis Barker]

Damn.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. It's like you think, oh, Tylenol is not going to kill you. It's just like a pill. And it won't if you just take one or if you take two or whatever you're supposed to take. But if you take a lot, you're 500 deaths per year, largely through overdose related acute liver failure. Some estimates put it at roughly. What does that mean?458. About 500. Reasonably shorthand. Yeah. Acetaminophen is poisoning. It can get you, you know, if you take a lot of it. And the. Is. I don't think that's the same with ibuprofen. I don't think there's a lot of ibuprofen. Ibuprofen desk. But I do know that my friend Cam Haynes, who runs.

[Travis Barker]

I love Cam.

[Joe Rogan]

Have you ever met him?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, yeah, we run together.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, really? Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

No, he actually did one of my. You know how I was saying, I'm, like, really into tempo training where, like, you'll tempo train, you'll do like a vigorous. Like, resistance weights, and then you'll sprint, you know? He came and did one with me and he was like, trav. He was like, that was. That was a lot, you know, and we went on. We run anytime he's in la. I love camp. Like, people get so pissed that we're friends. Why? Because they're like, how do you like someone that hunts? I'm like, because that's my guy. I love him. I don't care if he hunts. I don't care who he votes for. I don't care what he eats. Like, that's my dog.

[Joe Rogan]

I love you.

[Travis Barker]

He gave me a bow. It was so cool. We shot it at my studio. It was so. He's so cool. And I think, likewise. Probably a bunch of people are like, why are you homies with a vegan? Cam? Whatever. Whatever. Whatever. People think, you know, like. Like, we. I love Cam.

[Joe Rogan]

I think there's way more accepting people on the other side than the vegan side. The vegan side is very hardcore. Those people get very adamant about, like, not being around other people that don't share their values or I don't care

[Travis Barker]

what anyone does that's good for, you know, I love everyone the same. I don't care what president you vote for. I don't care if you're gay, straight. I don't. I don't care about anything, you know, I just judge people if they're a good person, you know, I agree, and

[Joe Rogan]

that's how we all should be.

[Travis Barker]

But, yeah, I met. I met Cam. I showed up to. I actually showed up to Tom and Bert's. Like, 5K was the first time I ever ran. And I just showed up. My homie Toby invited me and I said, fuck, I'll go run a 5k. Whatever. I've never ran a 5k. I always run by myself just because I like running. And I show up there, and right when I get to the starting line, Cam greets me, and I don't know who he is. He's like, what are you gonna pace today? What's your number? And I'm like, fuck if I know. And he's like, what about you? And he gave me some number. And he's like, what are you gonna do? I said, I'm gonna try to keep up. And I just ran my ass off. Like, I. I just like, tried to keep up with Cam and then. And then we just stayed friends after that.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Travis Barker]

And I. I did pretty, pretty good in that 5k. Actually did way better than I thought I would have, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

That's awesome. That's awesome.

[Travis Barker]

And then we became friends.

[Joe Rogan]

He's one of my best friends.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, he's good.

[Joe Rogan]

I love him to death.

[Travis Barker]

Such a good guy.

[Joe Rogan]

What I was getting at was that he was taking ibuprofen. He was taking 800 milligrams a day, and I didn't know he was taking that much. And I was talking to him on the phone once and he was telling me, Yeah, I take 800 milligrams a day. I was like, whoa, wait a minute, how much? I go, you do that every day. And I go, why? I'm in pain. I'm in pain all the time and I want to keep running. And so then I sent him some information that Rhonda Patrick, Dr. Rhonda Patrick put out about the problem with ibuprofen, the problem with taking large doses of it on a regular basis and what's what it does to your gut biome. So he stopped taking it. He said, well, I don't want to ruin my body. Let me just stop taking it. The pain that he was experiencing went away after he stopped taking 800 milligrams of ibuprofen a day. And he realized that the pain that he was experiencing was accentuated by the fact that he was causing inflammation in his body by taking anti inflammatories that were destroying his gut biome.

[Travis Barker]

So he's taking because his gut was messed up.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly. So he's taking all this 800 milligrams of ibuprofen every day. It's torching his gut biome. That's causing this cascade of inflammatory responses in his body. And he's in pain all the time. He gets off of the ibuprofen, the pain goes away. Not wild. Yeah, but you get brainwashed into thinking, I need all these things. Meanwhile, turmeric and curcumin and there's a bunch of different anti inflammatories that don't cause any sort of gut disturbance and they're much better for you and healthy, and you can, you know, get them from food.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. All the natural stuff. And then I feel like contrast therapy be so helpful, too, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yep.

[Travis Barker]

Like doing sauna cold plunge. Sauna cold plunge.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah.

[Travis Barker]

Anytime I'm injured, that's. That's what I go to, you know, I hit up Cam actually one time, and I was like, cam, I'm. I just did a half marathon. I'm about to do another one. What do you suggest? He's like, trav, get yourself an ilk. I was like, can't remember who you're talking to. You know?

[Joe Rogan]

So for you, is the vegan thing just all animal? It's an animal love thing.

[Travis Barker]

Nah, I wasn't even. It is that, like, I am kind of under the thought process of if I love one, if I have a dog, and I love a dog, I kind of love all animals. Right. Like, I love all animals the same. I'm not like, I'm gonna eat that one. I'm gonna shoot that one. But I love my dog. It's a little contradicting to me, you know? But I didn't even know any of these things at a young age. I remember food would be put in front of me, and there would be ham, whatever, and I would just naturally put the ham in my pocket and eat, like, the Mac and cheese or whatever else, the spinach. Because my dad had this rule. He's like, you eat everything or you don't get up from the fucking table straight up. I don't care if you're there for three hours. That's what it was. Because your mom spent time making the food. You got to eat the food, or you don't leave the table. So I'd pocket it, and then my mom. My mom would find it when she'd go wash clothes. So it started like that, and then next was, oh, ham is actually this. Hot dog is actually this. Hamburger is this. And I'm like, whoa. I just thought hamburger was a hamburger. I didn't realize.

[Joe Rogan]

Cow meat.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

So I just naturally didn't. Like, I was already, like, not liking the taste or the texture. Right. So I was like, okay, whatever. And so vegetarian from the time I was a kid all the way up until my accident, and then after my accident, vegan. So it wasn't really about animals. It was just. At that time, it was like, I just. I wasn't drawn to eat that stuff. That's not what I was into.

[Joe Rogan]

What about eggs?

[Travis Barker]

I loved bean and cheese burritos. I grew up on bean and cheese burritos from bakers.

[Joe Rogan]

I love a good bean cheese.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. From where I grew up, you know,

[Joe Rogan]

I love burrito with hot sauce.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, you can't beat it. So that's kind of like what I was raised.

[Joe Rogan]

There's cheese in bean and cheese burritos.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. So I wasn't vegan until 20 years ago, so I would have dairy, but.

[Joe Rogan]

Do you ever eat eggs?

[Travis Barker]

Never.

[Joe Rogan]

No. You know, if you have your own chickens, it's a pretty karma free food. It's like, I have chickens. I have 19 chickens. And they're pets. So they wander around the yard, have a good time. Like, hey, ladies. Like, there's. They have no cruelty. No one's doing anything bad to them. They go in their nest boxes and they lay eggs, and then you just gather the eggs. The eggs will never be a chicken because they're not fertilized. It's just food. Yeah, it's just free food. I mean, it's not free. You pay for chicken food and you take care of them and all that stuff. But I mean, in terms of, like, it's karma free. No one's getting hurt. Like, literally no one is getting hurt. The chickens will lay an egg almost every day.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And so we have like baskets of eggs.

[Travis Barker]

Eggs.

[Joe Rogan]

In my house, we always have eggs,

[Travis Barker]

I think for whatever. For whatever reason. Now it's like anything. And there. Wait and there's this amazing. It's actually, I think they. They market it as a protein, a vegan protein, but you make egg whites out of it. And it's phenomenal.

[Joe Rogan]

What's it made?

[Travis Barker]

And it has the same amount of protein as egg whites do.

[Joe Rogan]

Does it have the same amino acid profile?

[Travis Barker]

I think so. Maybe. If it. See if it comes up.

[Joe Rogan]

What is it called?

[Travis Barker]

I have it in my phone somewhere, but I don't have my phone.

[Joe Rogan]

Jimmy would probably find it.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. So it's like, it's like. And it's not just egg or one of the basic ones, it's one that my daughter had sent me, and it's bananas. You make omelets out of it, and it's just incredible. And you get tons of protein. But I think after I ate beef jerky in a hospital for six months, I was like, peace. I was like, I'm gonna be vegan. I'm gonna be vegan. Watch this. And then I stopped, like, I stopped kind of having anything that came from animals, period, just to see what it would be like. Like, I don't have honey even. Honey. Yeah. No, honey. And I just feel fucking good. Like I have tons of energy. I can. I have no lack of energy, you know, I feel great. I feel like I operate like I. I don't know, just feel the best I've ever felt. Like how I am right now, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, I mean, I think everyone's different.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And that's one of the cool things about having a bunch of different diets out there is a bunch of different options for people to try and find what. Whatever works for you.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Even within my family, like my one daughter is vegetarian. My son eats meat. My wife eats meat. My youngest son has meat. Sometimes it's like, whatever. Whatever everyone decides is what I'm cool with, you know, that's awesome. And that's just what works for me.

[Joe Rogan]

That's a great attitude. But I think you also have it dialed in. Like you have whatever diet you're on dialed in where you know you're getting the right amount of protein. And there's a. There's quite a few different plant sources of protein that have a complete amino acid profile.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Or I know hemp is one those

[Travis Barker]

perfect aminos that Gary makes. Those are a game changer. You take five in the morning, five at night. Game changer.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. No, that stuff sucks.

[Travis Barker]

But it was, it was. I won't say it's like not hard to dial it in. It is difficult to dial in. It is, is. You gotta navigate just like anything else. Right, Right.

[Joe Rogan]

There's too many people that they go vegan, but then they just eat like vegan pizza and they don't, you know, Crossroads, your restaurant, I still have never been, but everybody that I know that went says it's fucking phenomenal. Like, even Dana, who does not like. Dana White, who does not like vegan food, he's like, dude, it's fucking incredible. He goes, it's incredible.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I think when. You probably don't know what to expect right. When you go to a plant based restaurant. But Tal Ronin, the chef from Crossroads, is just. He's incredible. And the food, it's an afterthought that you ate something that was vegan. It's not even on the menu that it's plant based.

[Joe Rogan]

That's awesome. There's a place in the valley that I used to go to all the time. God, I can't remember the name of it now. Escaping me.

[Travis Barker]

Was it Follow youw Heart? Yes, I go every day.

[Joe Rogan]

Yes.

[Travis Barker]

That's so good.

[Joe Rogan]

That place is great. That's another completely plant based restaurant. We used to go There all the time.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. So I lived in la.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Follow your heart was pretty close.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, they have, they have a little cafe where you can eat in a grocery store. Supplements and stuff.

[Joe Rogan]

It's cool. Yeah, it's great. Their nut burger, very good. Yeah, it's like, really? I would crave it.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, that's cool. Like, I love, I love just everyone being open minded and you know what I mean?

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, yeah. I'll try anything.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

For me, personally, what I've tried, I eat more meat than anything I meet. Mostly meat, mostly wild game. But I eat a lot of rib eyes and steak and that just makes me feel the best, you know? I don't love animal cruelty. I don't like it. I don't think it's good in any way, shape or form. But I also realize that animals eat animals, life eats life.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This is just. And the thing about hunting is I am in complete contact with where my food's coming from. I know the source of it. I'm there when the animal dies, I'm there. I do it. I participate in the whole thing. I carry it out of the woods, you know, I cut it up, bring it to a butcher shop and have it, you know, packaged into steaks.

[Travis Barker]

I'm thinking of Cam right now because when he was in my neighborhood, you know, we have deer in Calabasas. He was eyeballing him, Joe. He was eyeballing him. I'm like, don't even fucking think about it. Of course he was. Yeah, he was like, oh, look at that, look at that right behind the shoulder. I'm looking at him like, oh, look at the cool family of deer. He's like, oh, that's like food, you know, it's food. So funny.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, especially him.

[Travis Barker]

But yeah, I, I totally. Like I said, I get it.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's cool that you're so open minded about that, that you do and you're not judgmental. It's. I think that's a great attitude to have that more people should adopt with everything with political ideologies, religion, whatever it is.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Just don't fuck with me. I won't fuck with you. I'd like to hear your opinions on things because I'd like to know where people where, where they form their thoughts from. What's your perspective?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate when anyone from in either side of things are so aggressive that we're at like, you just bum everybody out, you know, they do.

[Joe Rogan]

And I also think that a lot of times it's not coming from a Healthy place to begin with. I think a lot of people find a thing that they can use as an excuse to be an asshole. And whether that thing is their political beliefs or their religion or whatever their social ideology, whatever it is, they find a thing that they can call you out because you.

[Travis Barker]

Fuck you.

[Joe Rogan]

You're the fucking reason, man. Fuck you, man. And it's just. What's really going on is they're just looking for a reason to be an asshole and they're not a balanced person or a happy, healthy person. It's one thing if someone is confronting you personally and yelling at you and you're yelling back at them and you're in an argument, but if you're starting that, initiating that because someone doesn't dis. Does someone disagrees with you or doesn't see things the way they're doing, first of all, you're a shitty communicator until you're probably a shitty person because that's why you're behaving the way you're behaving and you're using this. This point, whatever it is, whether it's being a vegan or being a Republican or being a Democrat or being in his. A Muslim or being a Christian or whatever the it is that you've decided is more important than being civil and kind and courteous. You're. What you really are is just a shitty version of a person, whether you realize it or not. You probably don't. Probably don't even probably think you're justified and that's why you're doing it. And you probably think, I'm doing the right thing and everyone's like, I love it that you have no chill. He's got no chill. Like, no, no. He's a cunt. This guy's a cunt. And he's a miserable, insufferable person to be around regardless of what his belief system is versus the other person's belief system. And if he had a perspective that was. I don't know why you think the way you think, but I think differently. Let's have a conversation. You might find common ground.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, totally.

[Joe Rogan]

You might be able to realize, like, oh, you can have friends that don't think the way you think. I have friends that are Muslims. I have friends that are atheists. I have. I have all. I have gay friends. I have a ton of friends that are completely different than me. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. I love them. It's great. You don't. Everyone doesn't have to be You. Everyone doesn't have to be the same as you, nor do they have to agree with you. Yeah, but there's too many people that what they're looking for is some reason why they're right and some reason to be an asshole to other people that. That don't think the same way they think, and they think that they're justified by it. And I think it's a real problem. It's also a real problem with social media because those people, their voices get amplified and people pile in. Yeah, you go boy or you go girl.

[Travis Barker]

And I feel like anyone who can, like, look at. I mean, social media, it's corny to begin with, right? But you're gonna go on Instagram, then you're gonna say something extreme or fucked up to someone. It's like, dude, you're so.

[Joe Rogan]

So.

[Travis Barker]

You're so lame like, that you actually took the. The time to think about writing something bad, then wrote it, then pressed send. Like, you're up. You know what I mean? Like, straight up. Like, anyone that's gonna say or spew negativity, I'm like, yep, Yeah, I just. It's just no place for it. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

It's just weakness. And I guarantee you you're not doing the maximum amount you should be doing with your life with whatever you're pursuing. You're. You're not.

[Travis Barker]

Not. They're lacking somewhere demise, for sure.

[Joe Rogan]

Like, that's why they. They choose the time to just lash out at people or mischaracterize people or have the least charitable take on people. It's usually. They're lacking. They're usually at least somewhat mediocre. There's always usually some flaw in their game and what they're doing and then lashing out at other people, which is fine, but it's also, like, other people can learn from that too. Like, God, that guy seems like a cunt. And then don't be a cunt. That, you know.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Realize that and go, oh, okay. Yeah, I kind of see that myself sometimes. Maybe I should. A little self correction.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. You're like, I don't ever want to be like that. Exactly. It's great.

[Joe Rogan]

Exactly. Or the opposite, when someone's like, has, like, a really objective, charitable take on someone. Like, hey, man, maybe he thinks this way. And, you know, maybe the right way to approach it is to approach someone. Someone civilly, and we can find common ground. Like some. You read someone saying something like that and you go, oh, I want to be more like that guy. Like, that guy. Like, I like the Way that guy thinks like that. That's inspiring to me. Like, that to me. Like, that's probably a cool person to have a conversation with. They're not going to be. They're not going to use it as an excuse to be aggressive, an excuse to be shitty and insulting and mean. Because you're not changing anybody's opinion when you do that. You're just not, you know. And will you get the peanut gallery to pile in? Great. So you've got Team Cunt. You've got a little farm behind you, and you're all attacking all these other people and you think somehow another. You're justified because there's some other flawed people that agree with you that you're allowed to be shitty to people because they don't think the way you think or because they only eat plants or because they worship this God or, like, come on.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. The world, like, David Goggins has it figured out how he, like, how he just listens to all his haters or whatever and he, like, runs or exercises. Like. Like, that's the. That's the. Like, use it as a tool, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. I think you're better off not even listening to the haters. He's insane. Every time I talk to him, like, you're so insane.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. I mean, like I said. Yeah. Anyone that's going to say anything is so, so lame right off the jump.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah, but there's a lot of lame people in this world, unfortunately, because there's a lot of people that don't have a. You know, it's hard to be a person. It's complicated. People don't have a guidebook on how to be a person and be happy.

[Travis Barker]

And I think you have to. Like, I'm disciplined. Like, sometimes I'll read something and I'll be like, you, like. But I'm like, oh, no, I can't do. I can't do what they do. Right. Right. Like, I can't. I can't stoop to that.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, especially your Travis Barker. Like, you're a famous guy. Like, if you do what they do, it's a different thing. Like, if you go back at them, it's. That is one of the lamest things. When you see celebrities could never. Going at, like, fans in the comments, like, what are you. Take your phone away. Take his phone away.

[Travis Barker]

Like, who.

[Joe Rogan]

Who's letting.

[Travis Barker]

We don't want to see you do that. The people who love your music or whatever.

[Joe Rogan]

No, no, no, no, no. How many people have, like, ruined other people's opinions of them? Because they're doing something like that or going on some lame fucking rant against someone because of the way they voted or the way they view this or the way they, you know, whatever it is.

[Travis Barker]

Luckily, like, the hate. The hate. Like, I get the weird. I get the weirdest hate. It's not even really hate, but it's just something like they know. They're like throwing darts from across the room at me is like, oh, bro, he's like a Kardashian now or he married a Kardashian. I'm like, motherfucker, that's the most punk thing I could do is marry a Kardashian and just say fuck you. You know what I mean? It's about like the, like, that even shows you. I clearly don't give up. You know what I mean? Like, and my wife isn't like, I can't label her like that. She's my wife. She's my soulmate, right. I love her to death. But to think, like, have you seen me change? Have you seen me, like, dressed dog. I dress so different, obviously, than my wife or her family. Like, I'm continued to be my own person. I've looked the same. I've wore the same Dickies pants, the same band shoes, had the same tattoos that stopped me from getting a real job since I was 16 years old. Fuck you. You know what I mean? Straight up. Fuck you. And. And that's why, I mean, punk rock is not about music either. It's about like, you don't. You don't care what anyone thinks, right? As long as you're going for who you are, you're doing. Yeah, you are who you are and you're not hurting anybody. That. That's punk rock.

[Joe Rogan]

I think a lot of people thought it was cool that you guys got together. Like, look at this. Two people from totally different worlds that love each other. That's cool.

[Travis Barker]

Oh, it's the bet. It's the best. It's just. Only a hater would. Would think that other way though, right?

[Joe Rogan]

You know, but if you started getting all your.

[Travis Barker]

But that's the one that off.

[Joe Rogan]

And you started wearing designer clothes.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, I started dressing like a lame. And I start, yeah, of course. Like, dude, come for me, you know, please, please. But yeah, that's like. That's one that's always, like, funny to me.

[Joe Rogan]

I'm like, well, there's a problem with like, like, you know, whenever there's anything that's happening publicly, you're living your life publicly. There's always going to be Hate.

[Travis Barker]

Oh, yeah, and Wayne said it. Lil Wayne said it a long time ago. I remember he told me. He's like dog, you, you, you haven't made it until you have haters. You know you're successful the minute start hating on you.

[Joe Rogan]

You ever seen Cat Williams bid on haters? Oh, pull that up.

[Travis Barker]

Oh, I bet, I bet it's great.

[Joe Rogan]

He's got a fantastic bit on haters about people complaining about haters. It's the same kind of thing. Have you found it anywhere? Is you can't say Cat Williams on haters. No, I did, but what I've come. I guess it does say haters. Hold on. Yeah, he's got a whole. I think the bits titles haters. Okay, give me some volume.

[Travis Barker]

You got to get your hustle understand is gonna hate you regardless. Get that out of your head. That fantasy world where ain't hating on you. You gotta be grateful you need haters. What the is you complaining about? What the do you think a hater's job is to hate? So let them do they goddamn job. What the is you complaining about? Ladies, if you got 14 women hating on you, you need to figure out how to to get the 16 before the summer get hit.

[Joe Rogan]

You mad about?

[Travis Barker]

Amen. If you got 20 haters, you need 40 of them. What is you complaining about? If there's any haters in here right now that don't have nobody to hate on, feel free to hate on me. Sit back there and say my hair ain't luxurious when you know it is. That's so good. So true. So true.

[Joe Rogan]

It comes with the territory.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

This is the job we chose. This is the life we chose. You're gonna get haters totally. But it's your, you know, it's your obligation to manage the waters. And you, you don't have to dive in and never swing in their own and waddle around with them like pigs.

[Travis Barker]

Totally.

[Joe Rogan]

It's not necessary, you know, but it's

[Travis Barker]

a never, never would I, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

No, a lot of people do, unfortunately. But it's also. This is a new thing like this new thing where people have direct access to everybody like that online. If, you know, people choose to be on social media. Like, you have direct access to all kinds of people and they're going to read your comments and people know that.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

If you're a person who reads comments and so they go and attack you. And it's a weird world that a lot of famous people don't know how to navigate. And a lot of people, they get like severe anxiety because they do read that. And then they're like, hold up their home by themselves, staring at their phone. You're in a fucking giant mansion, living like a baller. You got a Ferrari. Meanwhile you're in hell.

[Travis Barker]

Like I said. Yeah. If you're not hurting anybody. And it's like, you know what I mean? Like life, life's good.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And also you'll feel better if you're not doing that.

[Travis Barker]

Totally. Or they say like if you do read it and you find any truth in it, like it's your chance to fix it. Right. It's your chance to whatever or, or use it as like motivation, you know, like Goggins does. Yeah. Even if the shit they're they're spewing is so false and fairy tale, it's like still, you know what I mean? Go, go lift or go box or go play drums or go do whatever you do, you know, use it as energy. That always feels good. Because yeah, none of it, none of it really like sits with you, you know.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, and I understand haters too.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I've always said this, that if I was a 15 year old kid and somebody gave me a Twitter account, I could get a hold of someone like me and talk shit to them, I 100% would.

[Travis Barker]

Oh yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Fuck yeah.

[Travis Barker]

As a kid, I don't even know what it'd be like cuz we didn't have it. But I also know like from where you know, punk rock was, has always been very finicky. Very, very sensitive. Right. You know, the band gets popular, everyone's like, I fucking hate them. They're on the radio. Fuck that band. They have fans now. They can act, they can eat, they can fucking, you know what I mean, Pay rent. Fuck them. You know, it's like that. But you know, skateboarding, which I like, changed my life and raised me. Skateboarding is also. They're very strict, you know, about who can call themselves a skater or, you know, there's just all these things, there's like when all these things should just be celebrated. Like, skateboarding's fucking cool. It's like some of the coolest people in the world, you know, skateboard and skateboarding's taught most of the world, like how to dress properly and serious. Like, I mean, a lot of rappers basically nowadays just dress like skateboarders. Skateboarders like set it off like they had the best taste from the jump.

[Joe Rogan]

How do you think that happened? How did skateboarders develop such a great sense of style, in your opinion?

[Travis Barker]

I don't I don't know. It's just. It's just one of those things, like, even from back in the day, like,

[Joe Rogan]

why that particular activity would have, like, a whole, like. Like, style associated with it.

[Travis Barker]

I mean, I grew up with, like, huge pants and, like, T shirts and just vans, you know, skateboarding and beanies. You know, that's like. I don't know. But everything from the time skate videos were released, they were secretly. Maybe they didn't know about it, but they were teaching everyone what the coolest music was. And at the time, music was so categorized. Like, you're either a punk rocker, you like country, you like rap, you like that. Skate videos were everything. The illest, best music of every genre. So a bunch of skate kids were growing up listening to Operation Ivy and loving the far side, you know, so it was, like, happily confused. They just knew the best of every world. It was different.

[Joe Rogan]

You know, it's just interesting that a style of clothing is associated with a physical activity.

[Travis Barker]

Well, then you had Lil Wayne, who learned how to skateboard halfway through his career. And I feel like everyone around him looked to him for also style and started dressing like him.

[Joe Rogan]

Oh, wow.

[Travis Barker]

So. And some people don't even know. I feel like punk rock and skateboarding. I mean, Playboi Carti wears punk rock clothes. His whole aesthetic is punk rock. You know, where did he get it from? Got it from punk rock, you know, like, it was born there. And I hate gatekeepers. Right. I love what he's done with it, and I love that all these new groups of kids that love Cardi and love Ken Carson are. They're dressing like punkers. They might not even know it. They just think they're dressing like, you know, their favorite rapper, but it stems and it's rooted from punk rock and skateboarding.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

I can't think of another activity that has a style associated with it like that.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, there really isn't. Like, BMX people, you know, writers. Yeah. They're wearing pads. I mean, BMX was really cool. I love bmx, but. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And there's not, like, there's nothing style that's associated with.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. And skateboarding and punk rock were like this. Right.

[Joe Rogan]

Well, it's rebellion, right?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Being an outcast, it's doing something that's either frowned upon or only other people that are like, you understand it.

[Travis Barker]

But it could have been. Right. Like, skateboarding could have been. Well, it couldn't have. I can't even say this, like, but, like, it's a skateboard. It could have been Athletic. It could have been sporty.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

It was from the get go. It was raw and it was gritty, and it was. It's also one of the hardest things as far as, like, the amount of falls and injuries you take. You gotta be a tough motherfucker to skateboard. Board.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. A lot of concussions.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

A lot of guys, when they're doing tricks, fall on their head, the board

[Travis Barker]

hitting your shins over and over again, breaking arms, breaking legs. It's. Yeah, it's a gnarly sport, especially if

[Joe Rogan]

you're doing it in these urban environments where people are trying to go down railings and.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. Street skating, it's like. It's just whatever you find while you're skateboarding down the street, you know, pretty cool.

[Joe Rogan]

It is interesting that it has a style of clothing and dress associated with it. It.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah, yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

And it. That it kind of mirrors, like, punk rock aesthetics.

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. And both the genres are. Are very protective, you know? Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Weird.

[Travis Barker]

It's cool.

[Joe Rogan]

It is cool.

[Travis Barker]

But maybe it should be protected. Maybe that's why it's still so cool, you know?

[Joe Rogan]

Well, for them. For the people that are protecting it, like. And it's. It means something to them. It's probably their haven from the. The standard society. The pressures of fitting in and conforming that they don't want. And so, like, this thing is like a church to them. It's like sacrifice. It's, like, religious.

[Travis Barker]

I mean, when I was 13, I felt like an outcast. And it was skaters against jocks. Where I grew up, it was like, jocks, and you played football or you were a skateboarder, which, basically, you listen to punk rock music, you listen to faction, you listen to dri, you listen to whatever. And we looked really different. So we were. We were outcasts.

[Joe Rogan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Travis Barker]

All right. Yeah.

[Joe Rogan]

Should we wrap this up?

[Travis Barker]

Yeah. It was amazing, brother.

[Joe Rogan]

Always good to see you, man.

[Travis Barker]

So good.

[Joe Rogan]

Always good to see you. This documentary, when can people watch it?

[Travis Barker]

It's out on Hulu right now, right

[Joe Rogan]

here, and we're looking at since the Crash.

[Travis Barker]

And when I think about it, I have the worst flashbacks.

[Joe Rogan]

I got two on the ground with Burns over here.

[Travis Barker]

Get offended this, man. The last thing my mom said to me is just play drums.

[Joe Rogan]

The drums are literally the heartbeat of the musical body. A lot of. A lot of people came just to watch him.

[Travis Barker]

He just had this, oh, you're gonna get picked up by a band, and you will be a star attraction.

[Joe Rogan]

I told him, you better get yourself a job, boy.

[Travis Barker]

And he said, no, dad, I'm gonna go play in a punk rock band and I won't have a plan B. That's Rod, Mark and Tom come up to me and said, our drummer just left. Would you consider playing? The show starts in an ex.

[Joe Rogan]

It felt effortless. Things were just exploding. That was quite a wild ride.

[Travis Barker]

I was touring with Blink Non Stop. I was taking so many pills that I had a security guard whose only job was to watch me sleep and make sure I was breathing. It was all a blur. And then came the crash. Just fire and chaos everywhere. 65% of my body was burned. 27 surgeries falling from the sky like

[Joe Rogan]

Icarus probably does something to your head.

[Travis Barker]

I walk in the room and I don't cry.

[Joe Rogan]

Ever.

[Travis Barker]

But we cried, bro. Che and Chris were like brothers to me. And then am passing away a year later. Why am I here when everyone else isn't? I had to ask myself who I was gonna be after this accident.

[Joe Rogan]

I could never truly understand what he went through.

[Travis Barker]

I had this burning desire to become the greatest person and father I could be.

[Joe Rogan]

It changed the whole family.

[Travis Barker]

And I feel like brought us closer together. We loved him.

[Joe Rogan]

Trying to cook for us, going on

[Travis Barker]

bike rides, knowing how close I got to not being here. My appreciation for life is something I can't even explain.

[Joe Rogan]

Every hit is him communicating his story to the world.

[Travis Barker]

Dude, he has got a crazy story. One more time.

[Joe Rogan]

Wow. That looks awesome.

[Travis Barker]

Thank you.

[Joe Rogan]

You. Thanks, brother. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Bye. Bye.