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Alex
I hate. I hate rock and roll music. I fucking hate it. It's so bad. One of the worst.
Blake
Makes me feel like, what's the opposite of inspired? Because that's how I feel when I listen to this.
Casey
Just let me hear some of that rock and roll music. Any old way you choose it it's got a backbeat, you can't lose it Any old time you use it it's gotta be rock and ro. If you wanna dance with me.
Alex
Just dejected, disillusioned.
Blake
It's like so tinny and annoying. And it doesn't even have an opportunity to be charming on its own merit as like an oddball original. It's just like a song that I don't even like in the best of versions.
Alex
Oh, I think. I mean, rock and roll music is a great song. I went back and listened to, obviously the Chuck Berry version and then the Beatles version from Beatles. That's the version of rock and roll music. It's just John Lennon, like balls to the wall, galloping through that song.
Blake
Okay, I shouldn't say I don't like it, but I don't love it. I like other Chuck Berry songs. I mean, they all sound the same, basically, so it's as good as anything. But I just really don't like to hear they just.
Alex
They sound diminished on this, you know, and you know that they're gonna sound that way throughout this album. Not all the way throughout it, but at additional points as well. They sound diminished. 15 big ones is kind of the beginning of whatever the next version of the Beach Boys is. At this point, the book has kind of been closed. It's been closed on the Beach Boys as a functional, kind of forward looking unit who are trying to be kind of artistic and adventurous. That ended after the Holland record. And then after this couple year period, they kind of come back and there are gonna be great records and great songs, you know, ahead in the future. But it's just. It is. There's a. It's different now, you know, it's not what it was. And I think you can hear that very clearly on this song. It's just Mike's fucking vocals are annoying as hell. And the production is like. There's too much going on. But there also isn't enough going. I don't know, it just. It did not work for me.
Blake
I think doing Chuck Berry songs, like, especially this one, like, the only way that it's kind of acceptable is if it's done with some really strong energy and otherwise, like, why are you doing this? Like why would you ever do this song if. If you weren't gonna, like, really have fun with it? And it just sounds kind of like. It sounds like Chuck E. Cheese Band. Like, it sounds like it's being done by, like, an unchanging smile with, you know, like, a big fuzzy guy and a rat and, like, a keytar and, like, some kind of chicken pizza is getting brought out and some kids screaming behind you.
Alex
I think this was the most successful single the Beach Boys had had in years. It went to number five on the Billboard top 100. So, you know, I guess. Here you go, America. Here's your fucking slop. They love it. Beach Boys slop. No one can get enough.
Blake
Well, speaking of, I think the next song, the next big one is. I think that this one I have a perverse enjoyment of.
Alex
I think it's okay. It's great. I love it.
Blake
Well, it's funny that you like it, because I feel like, to me, this song is like the next phase after Do It Again.
Alex
It's Do It Again Again.
Blake
It's Do It Again Again, where, like, you can no longer be like, oh, this is. I can't believe they're just doing this hack retread. Because now it's like you can't even see the edges. Like, horizon to horizon. It is just, like, the same. So you're just kind of like, well, I have nothing else to compare what I'm hearing to, like, after rock and roll music. It's okay. It just feels kind of like I'm in Toontown. Like, all right, I'll. I can dig it.
Alex
Yeah, sure. Listen.
Blake
Lemonade in the shade Fun is in.
Casey
It'S no sin it's that time again to shed your load Hit the road on the run Summer skies in our eyes and a warmer sun it's one for all all for one all for all have fun.
Alex
It's like, it's not reaching for anything, you know. Very impressive or extraordinary here. This is, again, what I'm talking about. Like, you know, you're not getting a California Saga on this record. You're not getting a traitor on this record. Whether or not you even love some of those songs, like, they're ambitious and kind of interesting. And this is just, like, lobotomized for most of it. But if you can get onto its level, there's an enjoyment in that. I think this song does kind of sound weird to me. Even though it's just stupid and stupid. The production does have some sort of je ne sais quoi Brian Wilson magic to it. I think that really deep. I don't know who's doing that, but you know that. Really deep. Yeah, I love that. I love that. So perfect.
Blake
Also very Chuck E. Cheese coated. I mean, this feels like, you know, I think this record kind of is like mini golf. Like, the agony and ecstasy of mini golf. Like, there's times when there's nothing worse than being at a mini golf place or, you know, a go kart place, like, where you just want to die. You want to take everyone with you. Like, it's just hot, loud, ugly, and you can't leave because you're on, like, a school field trip. On the other hand, when you want to do that, like, the. The one time every, like, seven years that you're like, let's go to mini golf. And it's your idea and it's kind of fun. That's. It's okay.
Alex
Yeah, sure. It's, you know, I mean, we're approaching. I mean, we're approaching. We're in the period of time now where a lot the best Brian Wilson songs are just, like, stupid, you know, like shortening bread. Ding, dang. It's okay. Like, I think these are all, you know, kind of the 70s, late 70s into early 80s Brian Wilson canon. And there is, like an idiot savant element to a lot of these songs. I think they're enjoyable. I mean, that's what I'm saying is like. I think. I do think this song's like. Is catchy as hell. And, like, works, like, comes across way better than it should based on the whole idea behind it, which is, like we were saying, literally, just do it again again. It's the fumes of the fumes of a song that was consciously kind of trying to conjure up some of the previous, you know, mastery that they had years and years earlier. It shouldn't. This should be as good as rock and roll music to me, but it kind of comes across somehow.
Jokermen Podcast Episode Summary: "Teaser // The Beach Boys: 15 BIG ONES"
Release Date: March 13, 2025
Host: Jokermen
In the "Teaser // The Beach Boys: 15 BIG ONES" episode of the Jokermen Podcast, host Jokermen delves into a critical examination of The Beach Boys' music, particularly focusing on their later works and the band's evolution over time. The episode features an engaging dialogue among recurring contributors Alex, Blake, and Casey, who offer diverse perspectives on rock and roll, The Beach Boys' discography, and specific tracks that mark significant points in the band's history.
The episode opens with a vehement criticism of rock and roll music, setting a contentious tone for the discussion.
This exchange sets up a debate on the value and impact of rock and roll, highlighting differing personal tastes and interpretations of the genre.
The conversation shifts towards The Beach Boys, with a particular focus on their transition post-"Holland" album and the band's creative direction.
Alex critiques the band's progression: "15 big ones is kind of the beginning of whatever the next version of the Beach Boys is. At this point, the book has kind of been closed..." [01:10]
He continues to lament the dilution of their artistic vision: "There's too much going on. But there also isn't enough going..." [01:25]
Blake discusses the band's experimentation with Chuck Berry songs: "The only way that it's kind of acceptable is if it's done with some really strong energy..." [02:30]
These insights suggest a perception that The Beach Boys have lost their innovative edge, settling instead for repetitive or diluted musical efforts.
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to analyzing specific Beach Boys tracks, their commercial success, and artistic merit.
Alex acknowledges the commercial achievement: "I think this was the most successful single the Beach Boys had had in years. It went to number five on the Billboard top 100..." [03:20]
However, he criticizes the substance behind the success: "Here's your fucking slop. They love it. Beach Boys slop. No one can get enough." [03:20]
Blake and Alex debate the merits of "Do It Again" and its sequel "Do It Again Again," with Blake describing the latter as: "It's Do It Again Again, where, like, you can no longer be like, oh, this is. I can't believe they're just doing this hack retread..." [04:04]
Alex adds: "It's catchy as hell. And, like, works, like, comes across way better than it should based on the whole idea behind it..." [06:32]
This segment highlights the tension between commercial success and artistic integrity, questioning whether The Beach Boys' later work maintains the creativity that characterized their earlier years.
The episode delves into the technical aspects of The Beach Boys' music, particularly focusing on production choices and vocal performances.
Alex critiques Mike's vocals: "Mike's fucking vocals are annoying as hell." [01:10]
He also comments on production overload: "There's too much going on. But there also isn't enough going..." [01:25]
Blake likens the production to a chaotic children's band setup: "It sounds like Chuck E. Cheese Band... some kind of chicken pizza is getting brought out and some kids screaming behind you." [02:30]
Despite these criticisms, Alex acknowledges a "je ne sais quoi" in the production: "The production does have some sort of je ne sais quoi Brian Wilson magic to it." [05:49]
These observations point to a complex relationship with The Beach Boys' later music, recognizing both flaws and lingering elements of their classic charm.
The episode wraps up with reflections on The Beach Boys' legacy and the enduring appeal of their music, despite the discussed shortcomings.
Blake uses a metaphor to describe the duality of their later work: "Like the agony and ecstasy of mini golf... it's okay." [05:49]
Alex sums up the paradox of their later songs: "It should be as good as rock and roll music to me, but it kind of comes across somehow." [06:32]
This concluding dialogue underscores the mixed feelings towards The Beach Boys' evolution, acknowledging both the nostalgic charm and the perceived decline in their creative output.
Alex [00:02]: "I hate rock and roll music. I fucking hate it. It's so bad. One of the worst."
Blake [02:30]: "It sounds like Chuck E. Cheese Band... some kind of chicken pizza is getting brought out and some kids screaming behind you."
Alex [05:49]: "The production does have some sort of je ne sais quoi Brian Wilson magic to it."
Blake [04:35]: "Fun is in... It'S no sin it's that time again to shed your load Hit the road on the run..."
"Teaser // The Beach Boys: 15 BIG ONES" offers a candid and critical exploration of The Beach Boys' later work, balancing harsh critiques with acknowledgments of their enduring musical legacy. Through spirited discussions and sharp observations, the episode provides listeners with a nuanced perspective on the band's evolution, inviting both fans and newcomers to reflect on the complexities of maintaining artistic integrity amidst commercial pressures.
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