Podcast Summary: Jokermen – "The Fall: MIDDLE CLASS REVOLT with John Tottenham"

Episode Information

• Title: The Fall: MIDDLE CLASS REVOLT with John Tottenham
• Host: Jokermen
• Guest: John Tottenham
• Release Date: December 2, 2024

Introduction

In this episode of the Jokermen Podcast, host Evan welcomes special guest John Tottenham to delve deep into The Fall's sixteenth studio album, Middle Class Revolt. Recorded prior to their introductory banter, the conversation seamlessly transitions from light-hearted exchanges to an in-depth analysis of one of The Fall's more obscure records.

Overview of Middle Class Revolt

Evan and John begin by establishing the album's position in The Fall's discography, clarifying that Middle Class Revolt is indeed their sixteenth studio album, released in May 1994. They express that this record is often overlooked compared to its predecessors and successors, such as Cerebral Caustic and Shift Work.

Evan [01:28]: "It is literally the 16th studio album by The Fall... and you're wrong."

They discuss the album's reception, noting that some critics deem it one of the band's weakest efforts, particularly criticizing its selection of cover songs.

Critical Analysis of Cover Songs

A significant portion of the discussion centers around the album's inclusion of covers from bands like Henry Cow, Groundhogs, and The Monks. Both Evan and John express skepticism about these choices, arguing that they detract from the album's overall quality.

John Tottenham [04:33]: "I'm gonna have a really good time together... we're gonna have a real good time together."

Evan [04:54]: "Middle Class Revolt, and I don't even... you have it on CD, right?"

They highlight specific tracks such as "Shut Up" and "Black Monk Time," critiquing their execution and relevance to The Fall's signature sound.

Deep Dive into Key Tracks

"15 Ways to Leave Your Man"

The conversation shifts to an analysis of "15 Ways to Leave Your Man," a satirical take on Paul Simon's "21 Ways to Leave Your Lover." They commend the song's clever twist and its reflection of Mark E. Smith's penchant for wordplay.

Evan [10:00]: "I think 15 Ways to Leave Your Man is good. It's one of the more sarcastic, emotionally scorned Mark E. Smith productions."

"Reckoning"

"Reckoning" is lauded as one of the standout tracks, praised for its poignant lyrics and emotional depth. Evan mentions that Matt Fishback considers it his favorite Fall song, underscoring its significance.

John Tottenham [13:50]: "Reckoning is Matt Fishback's favorite Fall song. Wow. Which makes sense."

They discuss the autobiographical elements, suggesting it reflects Smith's personal experiences, possibly alluding to relationships during that period.

"M5"

The track "M5" receives attention for its atmospheric depiction of English highways and urban life. They interpret the song as a commentary on the fragmented nature of city living.

John Tottenham [21:02]: "It's named after the motorway M5 and is about England..."

Production and Musical Style

Evan and John examine the album's production, noting its 90s fusion influences and how it diverges from The Fall's traditional sound. They discuss the possible acid house elements and the overstuffed production style that marks Middle Class Revolt.

Evan [67:58]: "It's very like acid house influenced. Is that the genre that they're sort of grabbing from?"

Cultural and Societal Commentary

The duo expands their discussion to broader cultural themes, particularly the concept of the middle-class revolt. They debate the validity and implications of the album's title, pondering its double meanings and relevance to contemporary societal issues.

John Tottenham [46:21]: "We skipped it."

Evan [47:06]: "It's a funny title because what is a middle class revolt? It's like the least thing, the last thing..."

Their conversation touches on the class system in England versus the United States, highlighting differences in societal structures and cultural expressions.

Comparisons with Other Bands

Evan and John draw parallels between The Fall and other bands like The Clash, Oasis, Blur, and Pulp. They critique certain bands for their authenticity and artistic choices, contrasting them with The Fall's approach.

Evan [51:34]: "So do you not like Joe Strummer? He is kind of like the..."

John Tottenham [52:34]: "He was a middle class guy who affected working class mannerisms..."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Evan [07:54]: "By no means a bad album."
• John Tottenham [09:20]: "Some great songs in this tracker. The first song is marvelous."
• Evan [12:17]: "It's a catchy song, and I think that it kind of just works."
• John Tottenham [14:26]: "You can get past it in the stupidest ways."
• Evan [25:20]: "It's like, I'm listening to a song and... it's making me take me somewhere."
• John Tottenham [46:21]: "We skipped it."

Anecdotes and Tangential Discussions

Throughout the episode, Evan and John share personal anecdotes, such as Evan's argument about Israel and its impact on his perception, as well as stories about wine tasting events and obscure films like "Street Trash." These tangents, while not directly related to Middle Class Revolt, provide a richer context to their personalities and perspectives.

John Tottenham [59:28]: "It was hosted by this Englishman, Julian Davies and cousin Roy, who was the Fall road manager..."

Conclusion

As the episode wraps up, Evan and John reflect on the enduring legacy of Middle Class Revolt. Despite its mixed reception, they acknowledge its unique place in The Fall's catalog and its reflection of Mark E. Smith's complex artistry.

Evan [65:03]: "How many stars out of three do you give Middle Class Revolt?"

John Tottenham [65:27]: "That's not bad."

They conclude with a light-hearted discussion about hypothetical future episodes, such as tackling The Fall's exhaustive Hard Mode, emphasizing their passion for exploring even the most challenging aspects of the band's work.

Final Thoughts

This episode of the Jokermen Podcast offers a comprehensive exploration of The Fall's Middle Class Revolt, enriched by John Tottenham's insights and Evan's engaging commentary. Through detailed song analyses, cultural critiques, and personal anecdotes, listeners gain a deeper appreciation for the intricacies of The Fall's music and the enduring conversations it inspires.

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