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Kid you not. We've had this beautiful studio for like half a year now. First time I've ever turned the heat on. I've just been cold all day. Started the day in New York City. A lot of you saw us do get up this morning. Pleasure. Pleasure. Was all ours to be there in Nashville. Now. Got to go to Atlanta later tonight. Got a big day. Got a big weekend in Atlanta. I'm not asking you to feel sorry for me. I'm just asking you to feel a little bit sorry for me. It is Thursday. It is December 4th, the year of our Lord 2025. Jam packed that. Hold on. That is the sound of a stack of papers the likes of which we could only have in front of us with Conference championship weekend and maybe just College Football playoff chaos weekend on the horizon. Yes, College Football playoff. It's the talk of the town, Jesse. Have you noticed talk of several towns. Albany, Georgia. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania. Two of the places they're watching us tonight. I'm going to talk about it at a lot of different angles we're going to have Kublick on later, of course. We're going to dive back into Ohio State, Indiana, Georgia, Alabama. I've got some swinging theories about the committee itself, but we'll talk about all that. I got a couple of big announcements. It's just, it is a monumentally big time around the show. We surpassed 500 subs the other night on air. Hoops to the thunk it. So thank you guys so much. Talk about the live show more a little bit later. They're watching us like I said, in Albany, Georgia, but probably Albany, New York, Harrisburg, Penn, Flagstaff, Arizona, Katy, Texas. All right, mentioned a big announcement. Lock in on me for a second. There are several big things happening around here, but I would argue none bigger than what we're about to do this Saturday. SEC championship, Georgia versus Alabama, 4 o' clock Eastern Time. Kickoff there, Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta, Georgia, carried proudly on ABC. However, I can proudly announce that if you take that remote control flip over to espn, you'll see for the first time ever, yours truly, along with Taylor Lewan and Will Compton and Harry Douglas, providing you an altcast right there on the field. The four of us will be live on big espn. Not that there's a small one, but big espn. The four letters as big as it gets. Mics in hand, live cameras, anything can happen. Hopefully a really good football game. What a. What an incredible privilege. Big, big thanks to Pat McAfee and his folks for making that happen. Big thanks to ESPN for making that happen. Now we just have to make it happen. But really, the pressure's not on us. Kaylyn DeBoer, Kirby Smart, are you listening? The pressure is really on you guys. We're just there to narrate. You paint the picture. We'll describe it. I would humbly suggest that you guys check us out. We may not do a half bad job Saturday. Going to have a lot of fun with that. Okay, let's dive in. I tweeted out earlier today, I think that we've got some room for Mailbag. I mean, we've broken down the games already, so everyone's talking about all sorts of different things. I said, jesse, dial up the mailbag. Give me what the people are asking. I put the tweet out. He picked out the best replies. Let's start with this, Richard. East Lansing, Michigan said, I'm a Michigan State fan. I just want the College Football Playoff picture to burn. What should I root for? Richard, I understand where you're coming from there. Brighter days are ahead. Congrats on the hire of Pat Fitzgerald. You're going to right a lot of wrongs over the past few years. So, Richard, you just want calamity. You're hurting. Richard says he's hurting. He's bleeding. He wants others to bleed along with him. It's an unhealthy mentality, but I respect you for being honest about it. Here's what you want to root for. Clearly, to me, the biggest chaos mechanism in this whole thing is not pictured on the graphic Bradley is showing you. What do you mean? Did Bradley punch the wrong graphic? No, not this time. No, he never does. But Duke's not top 25. Cause Duke's not a top 25 team, nor a top 35 team. But they are playing in the ACC championship game Saturday. And so, Richard, I would suggest to you the biggest chaos maker would just be Duke winning the ACC championship. Now, for those of you who don't really pay attention to odds, Duke's a three and a half point dog. That's it. Against Virginia, humbly, I would lean Virginia in the game. But if you're rooting for chaos, you don't want to lean favorite Richard. You want a lean underdog. Now, here's why that matters. As we know, as most of us know, I've got to assume someone's kind of coming back. Because you only pay attention come playoff time. This is no way to live. By the way, you need to be locked in from week one. But if you are one that just came in from the countryside because you heard the playoff horn sound, remember what the rules are and remember what the rules aren't with the playoff. The rule is not all the power four conference champs get in the playoff. Even though an alarmingly high percentage of the college football public believes that's the case. That is not the case. The rule is the five highest ranked conference champs, period, get auto bids. And then seven at large teams get auto bids now or not auto bids. They get. Yeah, at large bids. It was always assumed by people, including me, that we've only got four power conferences. If you're giving five spots to the highest ranked conference champs, surely anyone good enough to win a power four conference is going to be among the five highest ranked conference champs. Most years it would be a slam dunk. It would be a no brainer. This is not that year. If Duke wins this thing, there is sure to be one G5 champ ranked higher. I don't even care who wins the American. Either team will be ranked higher.
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And there is a distinct possibility if JMU, if James Madison just wins as a three plus touchdown favorite. Against Troy, there will be two G5 champs ranked higher than Duke, which means Richard the ACC champs out. Which kicks in the ACC doomsday scenario that the committee could find themselves facing. And that would be where the dust settles on conference championship Saturday. They come in in the wee hours of Saturday night, Sunday morning, and they've got to figure out their rankings and they've got them all sorted out. Except they realize, oh, we put all the conference champs in. There's no ACC in there. We've got a conundrum on our hands. Are we going to be able to put an ACC team in? And that's where we have to find out what Brigham Young did. You're going to have to follow me here. Brigham Young's not in the acc. But here's what I'm thinking, Richard. What I'm thinking. The committee will never admit it, but what I'm thinking is if they do get to that Rubicon, they may be willing to cross it and put Miami in. And here's what would help them. What would help them is if Brigham Young loses and they drop out of the way and it's just Miami versus Notre Dame right next to each other. I think some minds could change at the 11th hour in that room about how they value head to head. And I think it would be enough to catapult Miami over Notre Dame and put him in the playoff to represent the acc. Is it supposed to work that way? Of course not. We've long since stopped caring about how it's supposed to work around here. Frankly, none of us even know. I mean, do you watch the playoff committee reveal on Tuesday night? Do you hear those ridiculous explanations? So that's one thing. Here's another thing. I just mentioned the concept of Brigham Young losing. It's chaos potentially, whether they win or they lose, Richard. So you just. You just root for the Big 12 championship game. You can be like Rob Lowe. You just put on a Big 12 hat instead of the NFL hat. Because if Brigham Young wins Saturday, then they're going to the playoff. They'll be one of the five highest ranked conference champs. They're going to the playoffs. So is Texas tech. That means two Big 12 teams in the playoff, which we didn't plan on. And that means someone's got to fall out. That someone is in all likelihood Notre Dame. That would be a mess. Now, there are some people out there who believe. No, it doesn't have to be that way. Alabama could get blown out in their conference championship game and they drop out. I have to see that to believe it. First off, because I don't think Bama is going to get blown out even if they lose. Secondly, even if they do, Even if it's 35 to 10, I don't think the committee's dropping them out, but for reasons that I'll talk about in just a second. But if Notre Dame is sitting there and they watch Brigham Young lose, it's not cause for celebration quite yet either. Because like I just said five minutes ago, more like three minutes ago. A Brigham Young win and they're in and Notre Dame's out. A Brigham Young loss. Then you start asking, how bad does Brigham Young have to lose for the committee to drop them? Because the committee, generally speaking, is not in the business of punishing you for losing a conference championship game when everyone else is sitting home. Like, I firmly believe that. But look at him sitting right there at number 11. You know as well as I do the Big 12 is not respected in that committee room as much as the Big ten in the sec. So while I sit here and confidently say Alabama can get blown out and I don't think they're dropping out, I can't say that for Brigham Young. Also, it wouldn't pain the committee nearly as much to drop them because they're already not in the playoff to begin with. You drop Bama, you would be dropping them out of the playoff. Brigham Young wouldn't have been in the playoff unless they win their conference. But if they drop them just one spot, that puts Miami and Notre Dame head to head.
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And that conversation could get interesting, especially pending Duke or Duke's outcome. The third thing is, I think the same thing applies to Alabama. Not in the same sense. Okay, I just told you, I think Bama's in. Either way, if they lose, we're going to find out how much it's possible to be penalized for losing a major Premier Power 2 Conference championship game. Power 2 is a classification of college football that doesn't officially exist, much like Area 49 or 51. Area 49? I don't know. That may be. It may be where the real secrets are at. But it's not supposed to be Power two, but it really is. We're going to find out how much you can get punished for losing that game. We already talked about that. What happens if Bama wins? Blowout game, close game. They're number nine right now. I've heard some people I respect who have said they don't think Bama can jump up past number five and I completely disagree. Not only do I disagree, I think if they win by one point over Georgia, they're going to be a top four seed and have a first round buy again. I just want to remind you to suggest anything other than that would be to be telling the SEC's one seed, even though they're ranked behind Georgia, they are technically the 1 seed. You just won the conference as the 1 seed, but we're not going to vault you up there. Instead, what we're going to do is side note, how far did they drop Georgia? Is that going to be a world where Georgia doesn't drop out of the top four, Bama doesn't rise into the top four, and in the aggregate, it's just Texas Tech that sits there or.
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What could happen just on the flip side of that is the committee agrees with me. And so Ohio State and Indiana are going to be 1, 2 either way. Georgia is either 3 or 4 either way. Cause they're not going to drop them much at all even if they lose and they vault Bama up. And look what that gives us at the end of the day. It gives us what we were penciling in here a month ago. The Big ten champ, the Big Ten runner up, the SEC champ and the SEC runner up as having the first round buys the alternative there or the. I guess the counter there is. Well, what about Texas Tech? I don't know. That's why we're speaking in hypotheticals. What I don't think is going to happen is I don't think Oregon is going to jump up there in the top four at the expense of Alabama not jumping up there. If they win the conference, that's what I don't think will happen. So, yeah, there's. There's a lot to sort out here, Richard. I think it's going to be a good weekend for you, bud. It has not been a good month for you, but I think it'll be a good weekend. Especially Richard, if you stop by Quick trip, not mandatory, but you admitted it yourself, life's been kind of poor as of late. Life's been on the skids a little bit. And it's not your fault, Michigan State fan. It's not your fault. But you do control certain things, Richard. One of them is where do you get your cold brew? You could get it on tap at Kwik Trip. You could fuel up at Kwik Trip. You could fuel up the tummy at Kwik Trip as well. They are. They are our ride or die partner. They're going to be on hand at the live show tomorrow night in Atlanta. It could be tonight, depending on when you're listening to or watching the show. I love them. I don't say it enough and it's not look, this is the ad copy they give me. It says qt. That's it. So I just roll with it and fortunately they trust me to do that. And I just sometimes have to say I love them and I quit trip Joe. I don't tell you that enough, bud. But I love you and so does our audience, especially the ones you give free gas to. Tomorrow night. Thank you in advance. Maybe I'll be one.
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We had another thing about the playoff that I wanted to hit out of the whole batch that Jesse sent me. Kyle, Knoxville, Tennessee. He said, I need the commissioner to help us. How would you fix the College Football Playoff? Now, hold on a second. Hold it, hold it, hold it. Kyle, it's not the first time that you have presented a submission to the show that you have contributed to the mailbag. I appreciate it, but we happen to have record of your submissions. You are an expansionist, Kyle. It's okay. I fought against it. You fought.
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Jeremy Kublick
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Josh Pate
You won fair and square. Why does it need to be fixed? You got what you wanted, didn't you? Oh, you mean it's not perfect out here? And imagine this, Kyle. Imagine if a year and a half or two years ago, you would have seen this situation right now. What situation is that? I'll tell you. The situation is you got the expanded playoff you wanted at the expense of what I wanted, and now you're asking me how to fix the thing that you got that you wanted. And listen to this, Kyle. I'm going to be the one to tell you I don't think it's broken. There are mechanisms of it that I would love to overhaul, namely the entire way the committee operates. But I don't think the thing's broken at all. What's your evidence that it's broken? Kyle's not alone on this. I know a lot of you think the playoffs messed up. So do you think the committee's messed up, or do you think the playoffs messed up? I guess that's the first thing, because we could fix the committee by just getting a new committee or by redefining the process of the committee but keep the playoff the same. When I'm thinking playoff, I'm thinking format and size. That's what I'm thinking. And if you're saying it's messed up, that means we need to change the bracket, and I don't think we need to. So if you do think we need to. If you do think it's messed up and it needs to be fixed, what's wrong with it? That's my question.
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And my prediction is people are going to talk about Texas and they're going to talk about Vanderbilt, they're going to talk about Brigham Young, they may talk about Alabama. If Alabama were to lose Saturday and they get left out, Notre Dame absolutely could get left out of this thing. But my question is how does that prove there's anything wrong with it? That doesn't prove there's anything wrong. That proves someone's upset because they didn't make the playoffs. But you know, you see children crying all the time at your local daycare. Just cause the kid's crying doesn't mean anything's wrong. Sometimes kids cry because kids pitch fits all the time. Just because people are upset in college football doesn't necessarily mean anything's wrong with it. It's not necessarily evidence in and of itself that anything's wrong with it. So if you do think that there's evidence just because Vandy's upset they're not in, or Texas or Miami is upset they're not in. If you think that alone is evidence, well, what do you want to do? What's your answer? Is your answer to expand it more? A lot of people think that. A lot of people think, oh, we'll solve all these problems if we expand to 16. Of course you won't. Completely flawed logic. Of course you won't. But walk me down that road, what do you need? Do you just need 5 plus 9? Like do we go from 5 plus 7 to 5 plus or I guess it would be 5 plus 11. Is that what we would do? Would that be good? Would that solve it? Would you be willing to swear under oath that'll take care of it? No, no you won't. No you won't. All that does is slide the Overton window a little bit. You know, there was a time not too long ago where we had a four team playoff and a time before that where we had a two team playoff. And any of us in those eras would have looked down the road and laughed hysterically at the concept of us debating which team in the country should be 11 and which should be 10 at the end of the year. You know why we'd laugh at it? Because we would be looking at it and properly saying, do any of those teams in that cluster really deserve to play for a national championship? Do they deserve it? Not saying could they get granted an opportunity but do they deserve it? Like do they have a legitimate gripe that they have met the baseline requirement? They've met the threshold that it should take to compete for a title? You would have laughed at yourself. But we moved the Overton window of what is and isn't acceptable as we expanded the playoff. And then if we expanded it again, we'd move it again and sure enough, there'd be a team ranked 19th and you would be up in arms and someone would be saying, you know, the Big Ten's idea to go to 24 wasn't so bad. It would happen within a year or two years. You know that because many of you are making arguments that you would have laughed at three or four years ago.
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So what, what format do you want? How big does the does the playoff have to be to be fixed? A lot of people want to go to 16. Cause they say they don't want first round buys. And to that I say, I think that's what those conference championship games are for. Like, if you ever want to balance out, hey, why should we want to play for a conference championship? Well, because it could be that win or lose, as long as you make that game. Probably got a first round buy coming up. Ohio State and Indiana can say that. Maybe Georgia and Alabama can say that if Bama wins. But you know what Bama could have done? Taking care of business against Oklahoma. And then we'd be saying the same thing about both of them. Doesn't matter whether you win or lose, you're going to get a first round buy anyway. One of you is going to take some hardware home and one of you is going to have more favorable positioning. I zoom out every time I start to do this. I'm not being a hypocrite here. I've complained about a lot this postseason. A lot of mine's been more procedural. A lot of mine has not. So much had to do with the fact that I think there's this egregious misranking. I do disagree that Notre Dame's over Miami. That's small. It's not like it's a complete open and shut slam dunk case. There are arguments for Notre Dame. I just happen to believe the argument for Miami over Notre Dame has more merit to it. But that's not what I've trafficked in. What I've trafficked in, if I've got a big gripe, is the procedure of the playoff, the way the committee claims it operates versus the way it really does operate, that sort of thing. But I always try and take myself back to five Six, seven, eight years ago, whatever. And I just picture myself watching a future version of myself which is supposed to be an older, wiser version. And what am I doing? I'm sitting here having watched Miami lose to Louisville and SMU and I'm about to pound my fist on the table claiming they're getting screwed out of something they're not. There are varying degrees of deservedness that teams have when it comes to the playoff, and I think Miami deserves a spot over Notre Dame. They're not getting screwed if they don't make it in. They screwed themselves. It may be a little unfair. It's just like if you're a three touchdown favorite in a football game and it's deadlocked, it's even and it's 20 to 20 and it's fourth in goal and you think the ball carrier made the line to gain, but they call him short and then they go to the replay and there's no camera angle. And so, you know, you. Oh man, the refs just screwed us. The refs didn't screw you. You were a three touchdown favorite for a reason. It never should have come down to that. So do I think Miami should get in the playoff? Absolutely. I do. However, and I want to stop singling them out like Vanderbilt do. I think it's a shame that they're not going to get the playoff. Texas, do they have a gripe? Of course. But the committee's not screwing them. They screwed themselves. Texas, don't go loose to Florida. Vanderbilt, a little more product of schedule than anything else. They've largely done the job. Miami just mentioned those two games. Alabama, not that I think they should be left out. But the Oklahoma game, I mean, you can't let that stuff happen and still claim to have this orb, this protective orb around you. So if you like opinions like that, boy, do I have news for you. Tomorrow night, big happenings. We are 24 hours away from our first ever live event in Atlanta, Georgia. Buckhead Theater, 7 o' clock start time, Friday night, SEC championship game eve. I know a lot of Georgia fans live there. I know a lot of Bama fans will be in town. Those are two of our biggest viewer bases along with Ohio State that we have on this show. And Ohio State's not allowed to play in that game. So it's up to you guys. We got a couple of dozen tickets left. This will sell out sometime during the day tomorrow. Patematerial.com is where you can go to purchase your tickets. Great romantic date night idea. Ladies of Pate State welcome as well. But I want to emphasize this is not a version of this show that we're doing live. This is a completely different thing altogether. We got a lot of special guests we have confirmed. For example, one Cole Kublick will be joining us tomorrow night. One Taylor Lawan, one Will Compton will be joining us tomorrow night. I'm even told that Savannah State herself could be joining us tomorrow night, as well as several other close personal friends of the show whose names you would recognize. But we haven't quite firmed down yet. But we'll be in the neighborhood. This will be really fun. It'll be really fun. It'll be sort of off the record. We're not broadcasting it anywhere. Like this is a live ticketed event. It's for our ears and eyes only and couple of dozen tickets remain. Gonna have a lot of fun with it. Highly encourage you guys to be there. Why do I encourage you? Because it will make me feel good if you're there and we'd like to hang out with you as much as possible.
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All right, let's roll on really, really hard hitting pressing question here in the mailbag, Bradley. It goes without saying I don't need an individual cut from this question. But we have, for instance, over my shoulder here, you see that we have the Pate State Freights logo, the little circular logo. You see that? We have a train right in the middle of it. What is that? I freely acknowledge that there are new viewers and new listeners to the show. Every single show. And so you see that and you're like, what? I guess that's just some inside joke. I don't get it. But don't worry, they'll talk about college football. I do understand that. Like, why is there a Twister movie poster on the wall? Well, I'll explain Twister some other time. But Pate State was kind of a name we came up with to describe our entire community here, our entire family, our entire army. I don't think just a community gets 500,000 subs across the finish line live on air Tuesday night. But then I thought to myself, we got to have a name. We got to have a mascot. Pate State Freights. Kind of rolls off the tongue. Some would say it rhymes. And we got to have a mascot, right? There's Chuggy right there. Where do we come up with all that? Well, I love trains. I love trains. Have since I was a kid. There are some things I've grown out of. For example, I used to eat Vienna sausages all the time as a kid. Can't stand them now. So I grew out of that. I used to love eating play doh as well. And while I would still admit it tastes good, my palate has matured and I don't eat, play doh. Anymore. But I loved freight trains. Freight trains only. No Amtrak here. Freight trains only. I loved as a kid. I still love them. I may love them even more as an adult than I did as a kid. Let me drop something on you one time, Emily Proud, who we used to work with over at cbs, she asked me one day, just straight, dead serious face, she goes, what is it specifically about freight trains that fascinates you so much? I said, firstly, logistics and power, those two things. But also, I think a manifest freight train, which is just a bunch of random cars. That's that style of freight train. It's really analogous to watching a person walk by you in a crowd. Like if you're at a sporting event, you're going to see tens of thousands of human beings that you'll never see again in your life. Okay, this is going to sound insane, but this is how my mind works. If you walk, if you watch someone walk by you, like in a food court, in a mall or something like that, that person came from somewhere. They're on their way somewhere. They're carrying things, of course, figuratively, inside them, inside their mind. They've got passion, they've got talent, they've got scars, They've got experiences, likes and dislikes, traumas, victories. They've got all those things you'll never know because you never even said hey. And then they just move on. I think the same thing when I'm watching freight trains go by. I'm just utterly fascinated. This boxcar right here, where did it originate? Where does it terminate? What's its destination? What is it carrying? Who's the manufacturer? Who's the supplier? Who's the client? Always fascinated me. So we needed a mascot. We chose a train. That's the story. There was a question, by the way. I didn't mention this. I buried the lead. Someone asked, why Pate State Freights? Well, that's why. And on a very, very related note, this was wise of you, Jesse. I see what you did here. You can go to pacestatematerial.com right now. Actually, this sounds sort of pathetic, now that I think about it. But you know what? We got to keep going. We got to keep going. You can go to patestatematerial.com right now for your lull freights, which, as you probably guessed, is the name of our children's line of clothing in the store. And you could pick up some paint. State Lil Freights merch. Right now, you may be thinking to yourself, hey, where I work, we can't wear Novelty T shirts, okay? It's got to be blank, you know, kind of like I wear here. But your kid.
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Whether that kid is actually alive right now or you have plans on a child eventually being alive in your life. And congrats in advance, by the way. That's how they should dress. All the cool babies are dressing like that. And so. Look, I don't, I don't want to tell your baby how to live his or her life. I just want to tell you how to dress them. And pace that little freights merch. Great Christmas gifting idea. Phenomenal. Jesse bought some. Jesse bought some. He looks terrible in it, but he bought some. And I highly suggest that you do as well. Look, we're going to get Kublick. I know. He's standing right outside. I know. I just want to remind you, big consequential games this weekend, you go to FanDuel, you can bet it all. If you're not interested in betting, that is completely fine. If you're on the fence about it, just think long and hard about it before you do. Don't be betting any money you don't have. This is for entertainment, so be responsible with it. But you can just go over there and look at the numbers. Like if you're interested, Ohio State, Indiana, what is the number on the game? You don't have to bet to go over there and see that. Ohio State's a four and a half to a five and a half point favorite, depending on when you're listening to me. But we got all kinds of stuff over there. And if you are a new customer and this is anywhere, this isn't just the state of Missouri. This is anywhere that it's legal. You can go. You can bet $5 and you can get $150 in bonus bets. If that $5 bet wins, you can go bet. Oh, what's one, Jesse? Off the top of my head, you can go bet James Madison just to win. Don't even have to lay the points just to win. They're probably going to, if history is any indication, get 150 in bonus bets just for that. So it's a, it's a nice little. Cause you know, you having more money is one of the causes that we believe in around here and appreciate you guys there. We've had a lot of fun with them this year. It's especially a lot of fun when the playoff rankings come out and they give us the hypothetical numbers.
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Jeremy Kublick
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Josh Pate
I'll tell you what else is fun. What else is fun is who we have right now. And with that, you know him, you love him, but really especially you know him. It is cold. Jeremy Kublick on the eve eve of the SEC championship game. Just flat out on the eve of what some are calling and I'm reading it right here, One of the bigger appearances in your life. Live show tomorrow night over in Atlanta. Hope you're ready. Hope you've prepared a lot of material that I didn't tell you to prepare. Where's your head at with this whole weekend coming up?
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Jeremy Kublick
Just, you know, live audiences and things are something I'm just not used to. So that's going to be a whole new format for me. Not sure how the nerves are going to deal with it, but we're going to do our best. We're going to try.
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Josh Pate
Appreciate the shout out on Tuesday Date night podcast. By the way, the live show got a shout out on Tuesday date night mainly from Katherine.
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Jeremy Kublick
So that's how we get mentioned on this show.
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Josh Pate
That's a joke. This is just a straight barter system. It always has been, it always will be. All right, so they're talking a lot about conference championship games in the Big Ten. I mean, the Big Ten, obviously, those two. I think it's obvious those two teams are going to be in. They're going to be first round buys. No matter how that shakes out. It's just the order. SEC is a little bit different, but broad strokes purposes, I don't think I've ever heard more collective noise about the state of the future of conference championship games. Now I had you on the show like five months ago and we were talking about that. We were all the way back at SEC media days, kind of just trying to look across the landscape and see how much longer is this world of Conference championship games. I think if they crystallize their value, they'll always have a place. That's why I think this weekend in the SEC is a really big test and it's kind of a two way thing for Bama. It actually doesn't involve Georgia at all to me because they're in win or lose. But with Alabama, I know you chop this up all week like I have lose and I still say they've got to be in win. This may even be. It's not quite as interesting, but almost as interesting as if they lose. I think if they win, they got to get one of those first round buy spots. Otherwise you just told your top overall seed by seeding's purposes in the SEC that you just won our conference championship. But we're going to put a third Big Ten team in the top four that sat at home on conference championship Saturday. So we'll get to the game in a second. But just general thoughts on where we are on conference championship structure.
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Jeremy Kublick
Yeah, you mentioned showing their value. I might look at this as from the other side, the opposite end of that as to if this is shown to harm specifically one of these SEC teams, what does the future of this game look like and how quickly does it change? Hypothetically, let's say the path you were going down there, Alabama drops this game even if it's ugly, even if it's, you know, 21 3, something along those lines and they're left out. And I ask you, dead serious, point blank, Josh, do we have this game next year or at least in the same format, do we have this game next year? Because I'm not sure we do. I think things could change that rapidly if it ends up costing the SEC a spot in the College Football Playoff. I agree with you that they're in no matter what. I think they should be specifically since they beat this team on the road earlier this year. But there are going to be other intangibles, other variables are going to play into that. And then too, as you mentioned, when it comes down to seating, it's only going to take one or two of these. I'll quote Brian Kelly here, you only need one. It's only going to take one of these teams to be hurt from a seating standpoint or to actually be included, that it's not just the sec, that we could potentially see some of these games go away. And it's probably going to be more towards the protecting of the top of the leagues as it is. Oh, we want to make sure that one of the teams that's number 4, 5, 6 had the chance to play their way into this tournament. I think things could change rapidly if we see more harm than good done with these games here in the next year or two, and it might only take one this year for that to change significantly. And, you know, just like I do, one of these leagues does it, the others are going to follow immediately.
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Josh Pate
Yep. Yeah, No, I. I completely agree with that. Like, there could be a really, really violent shift that's totally dependent on how the committee handles this. All right, Bradley, for future purposes, here's a good endpoint for you. Alabama, Georgia, round to. The working theory is it's really hard to beat a team a second time. I would argue it's hard to beat a team like Georgia one time, especially in their building. So Alabama did it then. I was talking to some folks at Georgia earlier today, said kind of, how do you guys feel? And the main takeaway was, all right, Drew Bobo out, starting center out. We can't sugarcoat that that's a huge loss for us. But remember what we were missing the first time around against Alabama. We were all banged up at our tackle spots. Pass rush hadn't come on yet. And then those lights that were red are now kind of green. You, even though you didn't see it last week, you hope that if you need to put the game in Gunnar Stockton's hands, he can get the job done. You just. And this is me talking now. I go back to last week on the road playing the iron bowl. You get the win if you're Alabama, but Auburn broke two defensively, what you would call pretty inexplicable explosives on you. And those were yards after catch type explosives. And then I look at what Zachariah Branch could present in terms of problems. Both teams are banged up. What's funny, we were talking about the committee earlier. What's funny is the losing team could come out of this and weaponize the committee's own protocol, their own stated protocol against them, and they could say, well, you can't be punishing us, man. We were banged up. We'll be healthy for the playoff, you know, so we should have minimal punishment here. I very, very, very slightly went Georgia in this game. I did the first time. They lost on me the first time. So I'm going to double dip on it and see if I'm right this time. I really think it's a close game. Turnovers again, third down. Don't know if Bama's going 13 of 19 again. Don't know if Georgia's going 2 of 8 again. Maybe a little progression and regression to the mean there, but just a couple of bounce of ball plays probably the difference to me.
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Jeremy Kublick
Quickly. I'm just going to note that. Write this down again. You said the committee has and keeps protocol.
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Josh Pate
I let me rephrase. The committee has said some stuff.
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Jeremy Kublick
Loosely just making sure.
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Josh Pate
Yeah they would call that protocol. I'm not going to go that far. I'm gonna call it stuff.
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Jeremy Kublick
Got it. I think stuff is a much more technically acceptable term there for what we have seen this season. I like where you're going with some of the scenarios that are almost exact in premise of what these two teams have shown to either be good at and then what they've shown to give up. So I'm going to take that a step further with you and go to a couple more things. Go back to the LSU game for Alabama and I actually spoke to Kane Walmack after this game and I said, is that the most you guys have moved all season? I haven't seen your defensive line beyond the move that much. And he said, oh, by a long shot wasn't even close. Well go back to the Auburn game a couple of weeks later this past Saturday. That movement cost them yards on a very consistent basis. Now it wasn't always the defensive line. Sometimes the nickel that was supposed to be down in run support was out in coverage. So there was some confusion other places, but especially with those plus one quarterback runs that was problematic at times for the Alabama defense. What's Georgia going to do plus one quarterback runs? Flip that around. Kane Womack's vision defense is based essentially in zone principles. Gunner Stockton did not see coverage well when Georgia Tech played zone last week. So here's what I'm struggling with, Josh do we get caught just in the last week or two or three? Or do we look collectively where these teams have been all season? Because you brought up the last time that they met. I felt great about Alabama. The last time these two teams met felt pretty good about Georgia. Remember coming off that Tennessee game we were like, I know what Georgia is. My opinion hasn't changed. But my opinion of Tennessee might be skyrocketing because we were probably a little bit down on them going into the season. I was pretty high on Bama then. I don't know if I feel as good about Alabama right now due to some of those offensive line struggles. This might not be five years ago. Georgia front seven, but it's turned into a pretty good front seven. Christian Miller's making plays. You got 33. 09 all finding ways to get to the quarterback. And this Alabama offensive line has just flat been inconsistent. So I would probably be with you, even though I think there are strengths with both of these teams that play into the weaknesses of the opposition depending on which side of the ball is on the field. I'll go more philosophical with you here for my last point. This whole Kirby Smart, Bama in his head thing can't last forever, right? That's where I keep going with this, is there's no way that that's just going to continue down this path. Kirby Smart is too good of a coach. Kirby Smart has too good of players. And it's not that Alabama doesn't have good players or Caitlin DeBoer is not a good coach, but this isn't going to continue. It just isn't like college football history doesn't say that one of the greatest to ever live just couldn't do this for a very extended period of time. So I think that potentially is another part of why this reverses. And I'm with you in a game that I could probably see going 20 different ways. I'll take Georgia to sneak it out.
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Josh Pate
They dropped a stat on me this morning that really hit me in the face. The trivia question was which SEC head coach has lost the most SEC championship games in the history of the game, which dates back to 92. So the answer was Kirby. Now, the side note to that is, you know, you have to get there to lose them. But then I was looking at that graphic there, so I guessed Ricked. Okay, Ricked had three, Fullmer had three. I think Spur your had three. They were all tied. And then Kirby's got.
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Jeremy Kublick
I was going to guess Spurrier.
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Josh Pate
Yeah, like Kirby's got like four or five. Point being three of them are to Alabama. So you could even take the trivia a step further. Kirby's got more SEC championship game losses just to Alabama than any other coach has in the history of the conference. Playing anyone one in seven all the time. Yeah, I agree with you. I've never even thought about it like that. I know it's very popular in Alabama circles to talk about it. You know, the same way Bama folks talk about playing on the road at Jordan Harris Stadium like it's a curse. It's just a mental block. It's just blocking and tackling and execution. And the other team happens to have done it better than you. You know, maybe a little Justin Fields fake punt every now and then, a little bit of a head scratcher. But in general, I don't know. Yeah. But there's nothing. I think the only thing that would probably shock me is the blowout scenario and that's just because I never see it between these two. So that's all that would surprise me.
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Jeremy Kublick
I'm just going to one more real quick. Put this in my journal. Made note Josh had never thought of before. Got it.
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Josh Pate
Never thought of the blowout. Yeah.
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Jeremy Kublick
Continue. I will say the health you brought up earlier like LT Overton yesterday, seeing his status for this game, I feel like that kind of came out of nowhere. Bama's a little bit dinged up. Not that Georgia's completely healthy across the board. You mentioned Drew Bobo, but does that kind of catch up? And I don't know if you can institute this into your team this way, Josh, but Alabama probably needs the extra week more than Georgia right now. Not that either team wants the extra game, but if you're looking at health top to bottom, you go back to two weeks ago when Alabama plays that non con game in lettuce weekend. Bernard sits out, Brailsford sits out. I mean now what you're seeing on the injury report, you're probably sitting there thinking yourself if we could get that bye week, that would be massive. How do you inject that into your team though and say this game's more important so you can have a rest? I just don't. I don't know if guys buy into that or play any differently that way.
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Josh Pate
I just wrote down three numbers on my piece of paper like, all right, Isaiah Horton's doing his job. Jeremy Bernard has done his job all year. Lots here. Brooks 17, he's come on strong as of late. And then I got the number two written down here and I don't know anyone's guess is as good as mine as to kind of what's happened to Ryan Williams. I think one of the most shock to the senses but not overly shocking type thing that could happen in this game Saturday is all of a sudden he just reemerges and if he does, you like. I haven't, I have not heard many people mention Ryan Williams name in this game breakdown because he really hasn't done anything much as of late. But yet there he is. Had a little bit of hamstring thing all year, but he's playing like he's on the field. That would be the one thing where if we're at halftime and he's got four catches for 83 yards and a touchdown already, you're going like, yeah, I just, I don't know that I expected that, which would be weird given Ryan Williams history against Georgia.
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Jeremy Kublick
The reasoning that I would say, well, first off, you and I have had this conversation before. Nothing truly surprises me in college football anymore because I felt like we've just seen everything and always prepare for something bananas to take place at that position. I do think it's more mental than people believe, specifically with the drops. It's not like this young man doesn't know how to catch a football. It's not like he hasn't caught a hundred thousand footballs in his lifetime. He has. So whether you want to relate it to a golfer with the yips, a baseball player in a slump, whatever it, whatever it is, somehow some way confidence is what will bring this back. So if you get him one on one early in this game and he makes a move and makes a circus act catch, does a 360, gets out of it and goes for a 72 yard touchdown, it wouldn't surprise me from that point on if Ty Simpson says, all right, let's try him again. And it works. And it works. And it works. Some of that will have to be with Georgia managing coverage over him if he gets favorable matchups. But I see that position. Like, listen, I'm, I'm not trying to dog on receivers here, but let's be honest. Do we view them as the most mentally tough players on most teams? Probably not. Like, do we have certain guys in the past that were that? Of course. Like, there's no part of me that questions Jamar Chase's mental toughness. Like, I just don't think that that's a real thing. Like Calvin Johnson. I don't question Randy Moss's mental toughness. So like a Marquis mays. I've heard McElroy tell stories about him, like, would never question his mental toughness, but we know collectively it's probably not that across the board. Which also tells me that when something good goes their way, if that is the hurdle that's in front of them, you can probably clear it for good very quickly. Whereas you get an offensive tackle, you got to be mentally tough to even do the things that are asked to do. You get beat a couple times by say a Will Anderson or a week's early in the game, you're probably done for the afternoon. Like, you're not really bouncing back from that because now you're constantly thinking about what's going to be next, how it's going to happen. I could see that position having a quicker mental bounce back than maybe a lot of Others on the field.
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Josh Pate
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Two weeks ago we had you on and we didn't really plan what we were going to say. We never planned what we're going to say, but we really, really, really didn't plan that day. And we said, hey, let's just kind of randomly say what's on our mind. Imagine that, by the way. So I'm going to hit you with one, and then I'll just hit the ping pong ball over there and you can hit me with one. Everyone is looking at the fact that the ACC could potentially get a very, very underwhelming team in here if Virginia were to win the conference. Everyone's looking at how pathetic the conference title matchup is to begin with. In the acc, everyone's talking about how outside of the sec, in the Big Ten, the landscape just looks void of premier teams, which is true. And yet I sit here and just zoom out for a second and say, wait a minute, are we really about to blame the ACC for this? Are we going to blame the Big 12 for this? Conference realignment, which none of us really liked when it happened, is still the real culprit over in the corner. It's just you got so tired of banging on conference realignment that you tried to look elsewhere. No, it's just conference realignment. It's the reason why you've got teams in the acc. I can't remember who it was. It may have been Duke in Miami that had two common opponents in conference play, which is utterly insane. But you've also got high value properties like Texas and Oklahoma. One will be in the playoff, the other swears they should be in the playoff. Neither are in the Big 12 anymore, mind you. And so I've got way, way bloated conferences and I've got most of the prize properties, most of them in two conferences. And I don't know how I would ever do it again. But, man, if I could just take one of those little cookie cutters and it's like, it's pre cut to give me all the conferences back, I would just like to drop that thing down on the soft dough of college football because, man, I'd love to be watching the Pac 10 championship game Saturday night sometime way, way, way after dark.
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Jeremy Kublick
I would even take PAC 12 championship game or, or Southwest Conference championship game. I'm with you. I think if we could all hop in that door and go back in time and, you know, go pro wrestling, pre Vince McMahon, and everybody has their regions, and then we figure out a way for them to go play each other in the postseason. And that's how we determine who's actually going to be there, and they're going to go play against one another. But they. We know what drives the sport now, and that's money. And the biggest difference is there are certain brands, certain leagues, certain teams that can drive more eyeballs, get more eyeballs, therefore demand more money, and they're only going to continue to pull away from that. The demand of being included, not just in this tournament, but in the NCAA Tournament and other tournaments is only going to continue to rise. So I actually think as we sit here today, we're actually closer to that breakaway than maybe we've ever been. I do feel like at times we kind of started to inch towards it, and then people threw it out and said, nah, nah, we could never do that. That's not going to work. But forget that. I think we're actually maybe full speed ahead at that right now. And when I hear more whispers of other teams that are being discussed to go different places, it only makes me think that that big picture idea is probably closer than we think Now. What I don't know is that is there somebody sitting up in their throne somewhere, laughing at all of us, waiting for that to actually take place. I don't think that that plan is out there. I don't think there's a commissioner, an individual that has planned all this out and said, okay, we get to X number of teams in these two leagues, that's when we run. That's when we take our ball and we go home. So who actually can make it happen? Is there 1, 2, 10 individuals that have to Step up and say, okay, now's the time we leave everybody else behind. I know it's only 10%, 11%, 5%, but 5% of a gigantic number is still too much for us to share with you. So we're not sharing anymore. Goodbye.
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Josh Pate
Yeah.
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Jeremy Kublick
And then as you and I have also discussed who steps up from the other leagues, the rest of college football, and says, here's our plan moving forward. That's what I don't hear anybody talking about. Because I think we would all enjoy whatever you wanted to call it right now, Mid level college football, G5, whatever we've called it before, for them to have a playoff. You look at some of those teams and how they're playing this year, Would we enjoy that? Absolutely. Would it be competitive? Yes. Would it be compelling? Of course it would. And you strategically place it around where the other games would be. I think it could work. I think it would be self sustaining. It would just have to be in a very different way. So I'm kind of with you there. And it. It kind of hurts my heart to talk about it because I do long for the days of staring out there at the Pac 12 about how weak they were and the SEC would dominate them or the Big 10 was slow and there's no way they could keep up with the sec. And then we see those teams play and somebody's proved wrong one way or the other. Like, you can't run the ball like we can up here. Or what would, what would Ole Miss do if they had to play in the cold? And we have to go actually find that out. Then they put up 42 points and it's like, okay, that narrative's dead. We can just move on and talk about football again.
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Josh Pate
By the way, I don't know if anyone's realized how completely ridiculously frigid it is in the South. Like, it's going to snow again in Nashville tonight. So we're looking at potential playoff games in Norman or Oxford or like maybe Athens or somewhere like that. And it still keeps getting presented to me as SEC teams earning the right to play in warm weather climates, buddy, in September, Absolutely. It's going to be freezing. It won't be as cold as it would be in Madison, Wisconsin. But if anyone thinks players in Mississippi are going to be comfortable whenever that game kicks off, whatever day it is against whoever it is in Vaught Hemingway Stadium, I don't. Check your 10 day. Check your extended forecast every now and then. All right, I got another thing about the committee, but you can go next hit Me with whatever's on your mind that's of relevance.
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Jeremy Kublick
I, I'm, I want to know from you where you view Indiana right now, big picture because I don't hear a lot of people talking about them potentially. I don't even need you to say definitively, potentially being the best team in college football.
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Josh Pate
Yep.
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Jeremy Kublick
But as you know on the radio show, I do with macro in the morning. We have a computer formula that we plug in every week. And everybody's eyes got real big today when we started going down these parameters of how you gain points in this system of rush offense, rush defense, advanced stuff, burnovers, which is advanced. Go look at the turnover numbers, folks. Penalties and then third downs kind of even things out a little bit. But even past defense belongs to Indiana. And I, I wonder why is it the lack of super high profile players? Because you, you and I had a conversation a couple weeks ago about what teams have things that no one can do anything about and it was like A&M third down defense, Ohio State wide receivers. Like everybody kind of had that thing, Oklahoma's movement up front with their front seven. Like you better have something to offset this one part of what they do or you're never even get the engine started to try to pull the upset against them. Where is Indiana in all of these conversations? Because you look at some of the numbers, they ought to win this game Saturday night against Ohio State. Not a lot of people believe that's going to happen. And would you not rather take a team A minus across the board than A plus plus in one spot, but maybe C plus in one or B plus or B minus in another? Like there's not a true weakness with that football team. But Josh, nobody's talking about them that way. And I just don't understand it.
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Josh Pate
Are you going to give the name of the model that you use?
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Jeremy Kublick
It's the Rubik's Cubelik, if you're interested.
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Josh Pate
Could you say it again? It was really soft there.
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Jeremy Kublick
Rubik's Cuba.
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Josh Pate
Like, yeah, I think they're the second.
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Jeremy Kublick
And it is like Josh said, it is advanced. It is that algorithm. Don't try to figure it out. Yeah, this, it is more complicated than Instagram. You'll never get to the bottom of it.
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Josh Pate
Does it do like quarterback matchups even though they're not going to be on the field at the same time? Does it really get that granular like Peyton vs. No, it's not. Vs. Tom Brady, who's going to win?
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Jeremy Kublick
It's not the Auburn Plainsman that used to have quarterback Running back, check mark. Wide receiver, check mark. I used to always get that paper on Wednesdays whenever it came out and look at and be like, our D line's not playing there. D line.
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Josh Pate
Wait a second.
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Jeremy Kublick
So I don't really understand.
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Josh Pate
Letter to the editor again from number 61. Yeah, whatever. We just keep getting mail from this guy every week. I think they're the second best team in the country. I certainly think that maybe even fairly. There's a burden of proof because of that right there. If you're listening on podcast, all I'm doing is pointing to the logo. You've never seen Indiana do it. You saw him do it last year. But then everyone who thought it was superficial and cosmetic had their thoughts validated because they got run when they played Ohio State and then they got beat pretty soundly by Notre Dame. This year, I feel, is totally different. I felt that since the Oregon game, easily. But really even before that, and they've motored their way through their schedule. You look at, you know, we got our own model here. It pales in comparison to the Rubik's Cubelet. But we never would have had Indiana rated top 10, Power rated top 10 last year. They're solidly number two now. And I just want everyone to remember this. Odds makers really couldn't care less about anything other than making sure they've got a sharp enough number on a game that they don't get buried in money. It is a total myth that the point spread on a game is merely meant to split the action 50.
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Jeremy Kublick
50.
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Josh Pate
That is a total myth because if it were, then they'd be making you lay a whole lot more than four and a half or five and a half with Ohio State against Indiana this weekend. But I digress. I don't think people understand with this current version of Ohio State, how hard it is to be under a touchdown underdog against them on a neutral field. You could play them in your own building. And it's hard to be under a touchdown underdog. And Indiana is. And I think it goes deeper than what you just said. But a lot of that stuff gets thrown in a blender. And it's not like there's this one area where they're quantum leaps and bounds better than they were last year. I just think it's the grand sum of incremental improvement across the board. And a really good coaching staff gets that. Year one to year two. Ideally, you get it every year, but especially year one to year two. So, I mean, I'm not going to sit here and be Shocked if they win. We talked Tuesday night about how many challenges Ohio State's defense poses for Indiana, and that's true. And I think Mendoza probably needs a better game through the air than he had against either Oregon or Iowa. But having said that, we think we know Ohio State's defense is elite. The paper tells us they're elite. They probably are, but there are some components. There are some combinations rather sort of being able to do multiple things well, that Indiana's offensive possesses that Ohio State hasn't had to deal with this year. So, you know what? If we're watching and it's 30 to 24 midway through the fourth quarter, they've already scored more than you thought they'd score on Ohio State, but they're the one with 30 on the board. It would surprise me. I don't know. That would outright shock me. Just because it would have been Ohio State not dealing with a first incredibly well.
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Jeremy Kublick
It's going to be fun to watch. And at first I thought you were pointing at the Old Dominion game. That was the reason that we should all be impressed with Indiana, but nonetheless, it was the logo, I guess. So either way, I don't know who's going to win that game. I'm excited to watch it because I think it could go either way. I'm with you. On Ohio State's defense, when I watch them, I feel like they're elite. But one of the tests that we point to, to say that's why I know they're elite, because of what they did against them, there's just not a lot of those on the schedule.
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Josh Pate
I want to just present one more thing to you, and then we got to run. I listened to everyone gripe and moan about the committee, with good reason, because every time the committee chair has opened his mouth this year, it has given a lot of ammunition to the haters. The haters are aplenty and the ammunition has been a plenty. Now, I made the point the other night. I don't even think I said it on the show. I think I said it on Twitter, which was a waste of a good point. I said, you know what's really funny is it strikes me that we've got all these coaching searches going on and athletic directors are involved in those. And every detail of these coaching searches eventually leaks. And you just learn all of the ugly truth behind the curtain of a coaching search, or most of it. Those same athletic directors allegedly are locked in a room where they debate each other. You heard Hunter Tuesday night. He said, boy, Reese, that Notre Dame Alabama debate that was some of the fiercest, most contentious debating that we've had over several years that I've been on this committee. None of the details ever leak. Have you ever noticed that all the details of the coaching searches leak? But allegedly we've got these like at each other's throat level contentious debates going to the 11th hour about one team versus another team and no one ever even hears what the specific merits of the respective sides of the debate were. My grand theory is that's cause it's not happening. My grand theory is they get a computer. They get a computer rating spat out at them, which finishes about 98% of their job. And then they just kind of like the checkerboard at Cracker Barrel, just kind of moving around a little bit. And because they really didn't do the work, they're ill equipped to explain their thinking because they didn't do the thinking. So the numbers are going to be what the numbers are. The reason I know that is because we got several folks we follow on Twitter right now that to about a 98th percentile accurately predict what the rankings are going to be using simple computer formulas. Truthfully, it's mostly just the old BCS formula. And so that, my friend, I hate to disappoint you, is what is really going on. That is the playoff Santa Claus. And someone had to, someone had to pull the curtain back.
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Jeremy Kublick
I thought Santa Claus delivered gifts, not ruin things for people.
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Josh Pate
Depends on how you feel about Notre Dame.
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Jeremy Kublick
You want to. You want to be Santa, yet you're the Grinch. But that's okay. Let me just counter it with this. In coaching searches, certain information is beneficial for one side or the other. Correct. When it leaks, as you stated. So we either want you to take your hound dog that direction to try to figure out where we're going for a coach or that direction because we're actually going to go the other way or the other side gives you something to make you think that this is a done deal, it's finished. Don't come talk to our guy because he's already locked down yet we're off talking to somebody else. Or we didn't know it was done, but we want that side to think it is, whatever it is. What would it benefit the committee for any of this information to get out of what people are actually saying or what people are actually doing? I mean, I don't know if it would or not, but I don't think they would want anybody to know what that information was because like you said, then they would have to answer to it. So that would be my understanding of why it wouldn't get out.
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Josh Pate
Yeah, well, first off, what do you know about coaching searches anyway? Secondly, I would say I've. It's not like I ever talk about it on air. I've straight up talked to athletic directors after the searches conclude and gotten all the details I could ever want. It's not like they're not forthcoming with the details. I fully grant your point. During a coaching search, there's a ton of motivation for someone to tell you a certain thing, to get you to look a certain way or get you to say something that shapes things a certain way. But after it's done, it's done. They got no problem if they trust you coming forth with the information. And yet the same ones sit on that committee and it's like pulling teeth trying to find out how you guys really measured Baylor and TCU that one year a decade ago. What were the specific points? Who was specifically arguing either way?
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Jeremy Kublick
Oh, okay, now I'll back up your point. And this is. I think there's reality to this as well.
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They refuse to use common sense. And I've said for a long time that if whoever stands in front of a television camera, does an interview to discuss what happened in this room would just utilize common sense, a lot of the anger, the rage, the questioning would all go away. Let's take probably our number one debate throughout this entire season as it pertains to the College Football Playoff rankings, and that would be obviously, Notre Dame and Miami, right?
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Josh Pate
Yep.
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Jeremy Kublick
So what's not common sense? What do you and I never utilize when we debate or talk about or want to know more about anything in life? Data points, like if I want to ask you about where you grew up, or I want to ask you about how you planned your wedding, I don't say, well, give me the data points on how you picked your reception venue. And you would say, well, if you carry the two and you put a decimal point, those aren't real things. So if a committee member would sit in front of a camera and say, yeah, guys, Notre Dame lost that game. The reality is, when we watch them operate right now, we feel like they're a better football team. Do you have another question? And that would be the end of that. Now, people are still going to debate it, talk about it, wonder about it. But when you come up with these hypothetical analytical decimal point math problems to try to explain your points of how you debated things, first of us, none of us understand that none of us know what Those things are data points are not real life conversations. Real life conversations are that team operates great in the red zone. They manage situational football the way that you should be. They control the line of scrimmage and they don't turn the ball over. Like, they operate as a better team right now. They have more efficient quarterback play. Their defense doesn't allow teams to get first downs, specifically on third down on a very regular basis. We love that about them. Lost that game early in the season. Yes. But look what they've done here and here. That to us, points out that they're a better football team. We don't get answers like that. And to me, that's all it would take for a lot of the nonsense to go away. But as you said, there are deflections to the hows and whys of things being discussed. And maybe that ultimate deflection is what you pointed to. And that is we use math. We just don't want to tell you. We use math.
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Josh Pate
Cole Kubelik is his name, known as Cole Kublick in the Palmetto State. Happy to have him on the show. Happy to have. En route to the live show tomorrow night, Buckhead Theater, Atlanta, Georgia. Someone's going to walk in and could not care less about any of the rest of us. They're just there to see you. And you will get no royalties off that. I just want to make you feel good. Pump your tires a little bit. Someone's going to come to see you. Be on your A game.
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Jeremy Kublick
One someone. A individual.
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Josh Pate
And her name is Savannah.
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Jeremy Kublick
And my wife won't even be there.
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Josh Pate
Yeah, her name is Samantha Pates. It's disgusting. It's pathetic.
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Jeremy Kublick
There it is.
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Josh Pate
But that's my life. All right, man. Cube show on YouTube. Check it out. Check it out, check it out. Subscribe, subscribe. Subscribe. I'll see you tomorrow night.
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Jeremy Kublick
Hey, we're like 20 people away from 20,000.
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Josh Pate
20.
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Jeremy Kublick
They said it couldn't be done. They said it couldn't be done.
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Josh Pate
So, hey, live chat. At least 21 of you. Cube show right now. Our show's over anyway, after I tell you something. Okay, bye. Wave goodbye. There he goes. Peace out. All right, remember, anyone in the Atlanta area, there are, I don't know, like a couple of dozen tickets. We're almost sold out. I've got a couple dozen tickets left to the live show tomorrow night. It's not going to be a version of this show. I'll be there. Cube will be there. Will and Taylor will be there. We'll have several special guests. But it's, it's very much an off the record, not broadcast anywhere live event. We'll be very interactive. We'll pass the mic around. You guys can shoot questions. We'll have a ton of giveaways. Going to be a great time. And then Saturday will be a first because we will be man, we're doing an alt cast of the SEC championship game. Harry Douglas, Will Compton, Taylor Lawan, myself right there on the field at Mercedes Benz Stadium. Georgia, Alabama, that'll be on espn. Fowler and Herbie with the call over on abc, the traditional call. We are anything but traditional. Appreciate you guys so much. Happy that you've been here all week. We've had really, really good traffic. Will be here Sunday night to break. Actually, no, Jess, we'll be here Sunday afternoon. This is the only Sunday show of the year that because the playoff rankings happen, when they do, we just go right afterwards. So I think we're planning on one Eastern 12 Central as our kickoff time Sunday. That's a quick turnaround. We got to get home. All right. Anyway, we'll see a lot of you in Atlanta tomorrow night. We'll see many more of you in Atlanta on ESPN the next day. And then we'll see the rest of the you right back here in Nashville Sunday. For director Bradley producer Jesse I'm Josh Pate. Take care. Enjoy conference championship Saturday and God bless.
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Jeremy Kublick
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Jeremy Kublick
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What a matchup we got, y'.
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Jeremy Kublick
All. This is that classic HBCU vibe. Non stop action. The band is rocking and the crowd lit.
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Josh Pate
Chance echoing drum beat everybody showing that school pride.
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Jeremy Kublick
A game like this. Yeah, it calls for an ice cold Coca Cola.
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Josh Pate
Ah, crisp and refreshing.
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Jeremy Kublick
That's a game changer right there.
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Yeah, that taste always hits the right note.
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Josh Pate
Just like the band at halftime.
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Jeremy Kublick
And just like that, we're back at it. Passionate fans, school colors everywhere. And in ice cold Coca Cola. That's a winning combo. No matter the sport, no matter the yard. Everybody knows fan work is thirsty work. So grab a Coca Cola and keep that HBCU pride going.
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Josh Pate
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