Brian (20:35)

I'm Brian, I work at Udadah Healthcare.

Jamie Lynn Sigler (20:37)

So Brian, why do you care?

Brian (20:39)

I care because I don't want to leave anybody behind. I oversee one of the biggest resource centers in United Healthcare. I see people walking in my office every day just like my parents. They have no idea about the health care. I feel like they are my uncles, aunties. I treated people like family. I'm Brian and I'm committed to care.

Josh Pate (21:04)

Hello. Hello.

Malcolm Gladwell (21:05)

I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast Smart Talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business?

IBM CEO Arvind Krishna (21:20)

My one advice to them, pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive. Yeah, so we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology, is getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things.

Malcolm Gladwell (22:11)

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Josh Pate (23:58)

Next up oh boy, this one could be its own podcast. A lot of you sent me this. We'll go with Murray. No, Mike's Mike probably said it better. Mike said the allegations of SEC and Big Ten homerism are really shining through. Why aren't you speaking out more about the fight between the Big Two and everybody else right now? I am. I want all the details, but I kind of am. I kind of feel the same way you do. You're not calling me an SEC homer on this. You're not calling me a Big Ten homer on this. So what's happening right now? It's kind of boring, but if you just look at the cloud tops instead of trying to dive deep, it's pretty fascinating. So right now the SEC and the Big Ten have a stranglehold financially and otherwise on the college football landscape. Right? Everybody knows that then over the past year or so there have been these growing movements to do things like pooling all the media rights. And what that would do in theory is make everybody a lot more money, including the SEC in the Big Ten. But it would really serve to make the leagues downstream of the Big Two a lot more money. And it would serve to make enough money where you could fund the non revenue generating sports, the Olympic sports, women's sports, the ones that right now are threatening to be cut. And the SEC and the Big Ten are pushing back on that saying, oh, that's well intentioned, but it won't actually work. And they're not really giving good reasons why it wouldn't work. And here's what it reeks of. I'm keeping an open mind on this because it could very well be that the SEC and the Big Ten are right. What I'm saying is I haven't heard reason enough to disprove the theory that pooling media rights would set us on a better course than we are right now. And they keep giving these really, really intellectually dishonest counterpoints. Now, that doesn't necessarily disprove their stance. What it could mean is they have the right point. They're providing the wrong logic behind the point. But more times than not, if someone's providing faulty logic, it's because they don't have sound logic to back up their point, because their point doesn't really have a leg to stand on. They're just hoping you don't realize it. Right now, I lean towards that being the case with what the SEC and the Big Ten are saying. And so if you were to ask me, okay, Josh, well, where do you think their head's really at? I think their head is in a place where they realize they are the co kings of this nation right now and they don't want to give that up. That's not crazy. I don't think if the Big 12 and the ACC were in a similar position, they'd want to give their power up. So it's not even an SEC or Big Ten specific problem. It's a power issue. It's as old as time. And that's why in college football, I would love for there to be centralized authority. And then a lot of people want to make political parallels to this. Like, oh, if you believe this about college sports, that must mean you believe this about politics. No, not at all. Oh, if you believe this about the economics of college football, that must mean you're a so and so economically. No, it doesn't. All it means is, for my entire life, I've looked at college football sort of like a nature preserve. I've looked at college football as having these imaginary fences around it. And I have viewed college football as different than everything outside the fence. Just like a nature preserve. I have used this metaphor or analogy, I guess, many times in Nashville, we have certain places where they are nature preserves, which literally means if you're driving along, there's a huge condo high rise and, oh, there's a big industrial complex. All of a sudden well, there are all these trees and animals. Well, how can that be? Well, it's a nature preserve. That's how it can be. Well, how did that come to be? Well, it's because a civil society here, living in this part of the country, decided that while we do want to make progress here, here and here, this particular place, we want to maintain the sanctity of. So we want to keep this area because everyone has agreed. They love the wildlife, they love the vegetation, they like walking around the lake. So we're going to set aside this specific place and we're going to govern it with different laws than we do the rest of the city. And everyone's just kind of okay with it. Well, in a sporting sense, that's how I've always viewed college football. Anybody who has passed a high school economics course understands that if you allow pure free market principles to run rampant in college football, college football implodes in on itself as we know it. Now, the SEC wouldn't implode, the Big Ten wouldn't implode. But you see what's happened to the PAC 12, partly due to their own mismanagement, but partly due to free market principles working their way into my nature preserve here in college football, we had a gate that swung open and some stuff worked its way in that I would prefer not work its way in. So right now, when I look at it, and I would love to have centralized authority and I would love to have a commissioner's office, whether it's me or someone else, that really gets final say on all this. That's not because in real life, I think we should have a king of the United States. It's because I think college athletics should operate differently than the country should, because I think it has to have special provisions to maintain the best version of itself. And in college football terms, that means I don't want to have to count on Greg Sankey and the SEC or Tony Petiti in the Big Ten, to quote, unquote, do the right thing, because that's not their job. And for all of the demonization that happens for those guys, I don't do that because I think most people who had their jobs, if they did, would end up making the same decisions because it gets really nuanced and layered and complex and complicated. And sometimes you have what are called level 10 decisions where there really is no right and wrong. There's a. There's a bad one and then there's a worse one. That's it. That's the end. So when you have university Presidents breathing down your neck. When you have investors, when you have all these nameless, faceless people to you that those guys really answer to, you kind of are in a situation, I think the fridge is going off behind me. You're kind of in a situation where given the information at your hand, you have to do something that you know, you as a fan would not have wanted to do. So my, my theory is I would just love a world where it's taken out of their hands entirely. But right now, the more and more by the day that the messaging from Smash Capital or the messaging from the Save College Sports Group goes public and it gets articulated properly, the more that happens, the worse off. From a perception standpoint, the SEC and the Big Ten are, and I told you that weeks ago, the big problem here has been messaging. No one has garnered a super majority of public support on this because no one has articulated their message properly. They just keep meeting in back rooms or they keep going to Washington and meeting with congressmen and women or lobbyists. And all the while, 98% of us are just sitting out here living our lives. And it's, it's kind of like anything else that's politics. You listen to it, but it's over there in its own silo. You're not gonna let it bother you in your day to day life. And that's kind of how college football has been for a little while. But I'm not holding the water for the SEC or the Big Ten on this. Frankly, a lot of the proposals on the other side of the fence appeal to me more. And I've spoken about it not from a revenue standpoint. I've spoken about it purely from a fan's standpoint. I just love the fact that if you pulled media rights, if you had a college football TV deal, I love what it would do for the consumer. I don't care about the revenue because I'm not getting the revenue, nor are you, nor will most of us ever see a dime of it. But what it could do is it could lead to a lot more attractive scheduling apparatus and it could lead to a lot more attractive broadcast apparatus. Meaning if you're the University of Florida right now, you know every one of your games essentially is going to be carried by the ESPN family of networks. There's nothing wrong with that. It's top tier broadcast quality. But in, in the interest of diversity of programming, wouldn't it be a little more interesting for you to maybe occasionally play on CBS or then play on Fox or then play on NBC? The way that you would if you were a Jacksonville Jaguars fan. You know, you're going to see your team play on a number of different networks, you're going to get exposed to a number of different broadcast teams, you're going to get exposed to a number of different broadcast windows. But then more importantly, on the whole, what that does is it takes Fox as an example and it deincentivizes Fox from just pumping the Big Ten or it deincentivizes ESPN from just pumping the sec. These are the most popular allegations that are thrown at networks right now. And the allegations have a little bit of truth to them, understandably so, because those networks have deals with conferences, they don't have portions of the overall college football deal, they have deals with conferences. So of course it's in their best interest, it's in their best vested financial interest to promote the conferences that they have deals with. I just hate that that's the setup we have right now. So from a viewer standpoint, from a fan standpoint, the reason I love the idea of pooling media rights above and beyond how much more money it would make them and above and beyond what it would do for women's sports, Olympic sports, even if you wiped all that out, I just love it on the surface, selfishly, because of what it would do for me. Because then at the end of the day, every one of those networks, the talent at those networks, the shows on those networks, they are motivated and incentivized to cover college football as a whole instead of covering a conference. That's how the NFL does it. And in this case, the NFL, I think, is dead on the money. Next up, this was Frankie, friend of the program. How jacked are you for storm chasing this season? I couldn't be more jacked if my life depended on it. I used to take pre workout called Jack 3D. This is like Jack 16D. I'm ready. I'm ready. I've got my eye on a little complex setting up in Oklahoma over the next couple of days. But it's March. This is go time. April is really go time. The biggest challenge in my life right now is scheduling the spring speaker series. Locked in two more head coaches yesterday, by the way, but scheduling the spring speaker series around storm chasing. And I just let a few coaches know I need to talk with you as early in the morning as I can because I don't know what's going to happen on April 6th. As an example, there could be a major outbreak going on on April 6th. And worst case scenario is like you Remember last year, one of the stupidest moments in my life. One of the most, what do you call it? Like, McAfee talks about this all the time. Oh man, we live the stupidest life imaginable. Well, that's code for him saying, I can't believe we get to do this. Well, I had one of those moments last year where we went down to Florida State. Can't remember the date. We went down to Florida State and did a sit down with Mike Norvell that morning in Tallahassee and we expected a big tornado outbreak that day. Some of you probably remember this. And I was really obnoxious about it and I apologize, but I couldn't get over the fact that we were doing this. So the folks at airstar, which is a company that we partner with from time to time, if we need to charter air service, airstar sends us a plane down to Tallahassee. I do the sit down with Mike, we're done by, let's say 10 or 10:30. We get on a plane and they fly us straight to Memphis and we're in Memphis by noon. We storm chase the rest of the day. And I figured, first off, again, let me reiterate, it is completely and utterly insane we get to do this. Secondly, I got a great gif out of it that I use from time to time. Thirdly, it was a fair amount of turbulence landing in Memphis. Fourthly, I figured that's got to be the blueprint moving forward. If we get ourselves in a situation where we have a sit down scheduled, I'm not going to call sarcasm from a hotel room in Austin morning of and say, hey, Steve, Steve. Yes, Josh? Look, the sit down that we've had on your calendar for a month and a half. Can't do it today, bud. Let's push that. I've got a fly to Wichita to storm chase. I just don't think it goes over well. But what we can do is sit down with Sark at 8:30 in the morning and then be in Wichita by 11:45. We can do that. So I don't spend money on much of anything. I wear the same four shirts. I work out at the same gym that I've always worked out at. So we, we've got one or two things that if worse comes to worse, we're going to spend some pate state coin on and that's one of them. If we need to knock out two birds with one stone, we will do it. But yeah, I'm jack for storm chasing. We could have some surprises this Spring, by the way, in terms of who joins us on the road, storm chasing. Just stay tuned, I would say just stay tuned for that. Uh, we have an allegation here. A lot of allegations. I address them all. I'm not gonna duck. Not gonna duck it. Where was this? Yeah, so I don't think this is true. All right, let me just read it. Okay, so Sean accused me of overhyping LSU in Texas again, in his words. And that was it. And then he just left. He didn't provide any context. So let's recap what I have said about LSU in Texas so far. Mind you, it is March 4th as I'm recording this. What I have said about LSU in Texas so far this year is Sark needs to win this year. There's a lot of competitive pressure on him. Duh, there is every year. But it's kind of an all in year for Texas. They're going to be ranked highly. I will rank them highly. Arch is back. They killed it in the portal. Is anything I've said so far untrue? Anybody, I think who pays attention to Texas would agree with this. Even if you think they're going to go 8 and 4, you at least agree with what I just said. You your follow up would be and they're going to crash and burn. But nothing I've said about them is untrue so far. Then about lsu. All I did about LSU is I said they crushed it in the portal too. And they went and got a lot of high level guys and then they got some second tier guys that I think were former big names in recruiting but hadn't panned out largely due to injuries so far. Eugene Wilson from Florida is a perfect example. Blockton from Auburn's a good example. But if they are healthy, then Lane may have killed it on the second tier of guys. And then he got a third tier of guys from Nicholls State and North Carolina Central and a lot of places that are way off the radar. But then again, Trinidad Chambliss at Ferris State was very much off the radar last year. So there are three different, you know, sort of bingo or slot machine levers that he pulled. One of them I'm pretty sure will come up triple sevens. But what if either of the other two do? And then I just said if you combine that with getting Sam Levitt in at quarterback and Lane's ability, his proven ability to not require a roster full of multi year starters to win because he didn't have that at Ole Miss, well, might they need to be considered a Playoff contender. That's what I've said so far about LSU in Texas. I don't think any of that's crazy. And Sean did not provide me with the evidence of how I've hyped LSU in Texas in the past. Now with lsu. Yeah, this, this time last year, we were looking at a situation where Brian Kelly had made some moves and they were. They were going to be ranked highly and they had Garrett Nussmeier returning at quarterback, and it was a situation where there wasn't a lot of proven production returning at quarterback in the sec. So certainly that set up LSU to succeed, had had a good roster. Then they opened the season with a win at Clemson, and it kind of felt sort of like they may be off to the races and they just weren't and it crashed. But when I look back on that, I don't look back on that any differently than the Penn State or the Clemson thing. Sometimes you rank a team highly and you look back and there were reasons that you should have seen. There were red flags you should have seen. I just think those were three examples of teams that were ranked properly, given what we knew about them in the spring and summer, which is all you have to go on. You rank them as best you can. Some teams fulfill on the expectation, some don't. There will never be a year where you go 10 for 10 on your preseason top 10. Someone's going to finish unranked in there. In some extreme cases, maybe two or three of them. That doesn't mean that there were warning signs. It just means it didn't work out. I'll put it another way. Let's say that I have in my pocket right now 10 coins. Eight of them are quarters, two of them are pennies. I'm going to reach my hand in my pocket, I'm going to grab the first coin I touch. I'm going to pull it out. I want you to guess what it is. Eight quarters and two pennies in there. I'm only pulling out one. What's in my pocket? What am I going to pull out? You got one shot. What are you guessing? You're guessing a quarter. That gives you what, an 80% chance of being right? Did you make the right decision? You already know before I pull the coin out, whether you made the right decision or not. What happens if I pull out a penny you lost? Does that mean you made the wrong decision, though? No. You used the information at hand to put yourself in the most advantaged position you can be. You were 80, 20 that you were going to hit two times out of 10, that still means you don't hit. And I look at picking these teams the same way. Penn State last year or lsu, Texas this year. These teams are, they're the quarter in that scenario. And so I'm going to bet on the quarter more times than not. I'm going to hit like more times than not. If you play this upcoming season out, Texas is a playoff team. More times than not. If you play last season out, I think that Penn State is a playoff team. But when you change the outcome of that Oregon game instead of them, instead of Penn State winning that thing in overtime, Oregon wins that in overtime, that is, that is like a 90 degree angle shift in your season. And if you ever have stood at home plate on a baseball field and you looked at the foul lines going different directions, if you walk two steps, there's not a lot of distance between those foul lines. But walk 300ft and then look where the other foul line is. It's often another universe, it's often another zip code. That's kind of the divergent trajectories that a season can take. It's like a huge stone in the middle of a stream. It just diverts that water's path. And that's kind of the way outcomes are. This is not baseball. You don't get 162 outcomes, therefore rendering one individual game pretty meaningless. This is football. We play 12 of them. And when Penn State played that Oregon game and it went the way it went mad, that was kind of it. I certainly don't believe they would have lost the UCLA and Northwestern games had they won the Oregon game. So anyway, I'm not hyping Texas and LSU any more than they should be. It's March. We haven't even done a deep dive on any of them yet. I just feel like they're in a good position right now.

Brian (44:15)

I'm Brian. I work at United Healthcare.

Jamie Lynn Sigler (44:18)

So, Brian, why do you care?

Brian (44:20)

I care because I don't want to leave anybody behind. I oversee one of the biggest resource centers in UnitedHealthcare. I see people walking in my office every day just like my parents. They have no idea about the healthcare. I feel like they are my uncles, aunties. I treated people like family. I'm Brian and I'm committed to care.

IBM CEO Arvind Krishna (44:44)

Hello.

Josh Pate (44:45)

Hello.

Malcolm Gladwell (44:45)

I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast smart talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna, and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to Create Smarter business.

IBM CEO Arvind Krishna (45:01)

My one advice to them Pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive. Yeah, so we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology, is getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things.

Malcolm Gladwell (45:51)

To listen to the full conversation, visit IBM.com smarttalks. Alright, quick quiz for the hiring managers out there. What's worse, being understaffed or being poorly staffed? Well, that's a trick question because both are recipes for chaos. Either way, just say to yourself, this is a job for Indeed Sponsored Jobs. You'll get matched with candidates that meet the skills, certifications and everything else you're looking for. Or go a different way and get no traction. Seriously. Sponsored jobs posted directly on indeed are 95% more likely to report a hire than non sponsored jobs. It really is a no brainer. Spend less time searching and more time actually interviewing candidates who check all your boxes. Less stress, less time, more results when you need the right person to cut through the chaos. This is a job for Indeed Sponsored Jobs and listeners of this show will get a $75 sponsored job credit to help your job get the premium status it deserves@ Indeed.com podcast just go to Indeed.com podcast right now. Indeed.com podcast terms and conditions apply. Need to hire? This is a job for Indeed Sponsored Jobs.

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Josh Pate (47:39)

oh boy. So yeah, there it is. We had a question about haters. This might as well have been from my mom. This is from Jessica. She was. She was saying, how do you handle all the negativity and haters in your line of work? And the answer is by ignoring them largely. It's not really the way it appears like you Remember, we did the Trump interview a couple of weeks ago, and we got a. We got some positive feedback, we got some negative feedback. People took issue with me saying, hey, most of the negative feedback is from bot accounts. It was. It was 1000%, mostly from bot accounts. That didn't mean all of the negative feedback was from bot accounts. So you got to filter that stuff out as best you can. And we're in a pretty good position to filter it out. So what you do is you filter it. I would say, at least conservatively, 90% of the negativity we got was bot accounts. But that means 10% was legit. So then out of the 10%, okay, what part of that 10% is our audience, and what part of it is people who swooped in to say something that would never otherwise watch the show? So then you filter that out, and whatever you're left with is legitimate feedback from your audience. I listened to all that, and some of you know that because some of you I personally corresponded with. So you kind of get misquoted. And I knew this was coming. Like, a lot of people misquoted me as saying any negative feedback I got about us doing that interview was from a bot account. Well, that's not what I said, because that would be stupid. Most of it was. And then people who understood me correctly pushed back and said, no, you can't possibly know that. No, I can. I can, because I saw all the feedback. You didn't see all the feedback, so how could you know which percentage I'm right and wrong about when you didn't even see the volume and totality of the feedback? And I did. So anyway, Jessica, to get back to the point, the feedback that we got from members of our audience, that was legitimate on that topic, it wasn't hate. Very few of them were hateful. It was a bunch of, hey, you always said that this was about college football. This was a politics free platform. I'm disappointed in this or that. And I listened to that. And we'll adjust the strategy moving forward for that, because it really doesn't matter how I feel about stuff. If a big enough chunk of our audience feels a certain way, it's your show, it's not my show. So I've got to stack it that way. But it wasn't hate. It wasn't hate at all. Very rarely do real people who are in our audience act hateful. We don't deal with that. There's toxicity on the Internet, but there's that all the time, no matter what you do. And in person. When we have interactions in person, I'm on the road every year. When we have interactions in person, they're 99% positive. So I think a lot of times people in public positions, like front facing positions, they talk about that stuff because they want you to feel sorry for them. And I'm not saying that there's no one out there that doesn't experience it. That was like a triple negative. Yes. Some people experience legitimate hate, some people experience legitimate threats and all that. That's a different world. I just mean I know for a fact a lot of people in my space spout off at the mouth about, oh, how toxic it is and how mentally taxing it is. Well, don't pay attention to it would be my advice. Don't pay attention to it. You'd be shocked at how therapeutic it is to just make what other people think about you none of your business. And that's the best I can do. That's the best advice I can give out this morning. Jessica, I hope it made you feel better. It did make me feel better. Tim hit us up. Tim said, personally, Personally, I hate Nil. Do you like it or not? If you don't like it, what do you think is the worst thing about it? Cause to me it's an entire stack of pancakes that taste awful. Well, there you go. Tim has given us his take on Nil. Look, I'm like most people, I'm like most people who are more traditional minded, who love college football, let's say, and that is we look at it. Most of us never said we don't want those kids making a dime. Most of us never said that. Most of us looked at it and said, yeah, they deserve money. Can we accomplish that in a way that keeps the sport structured? And the answer so far has been nope. So I guess that's the part, Tim, that I dislike the most. But if you really want me to drill down on it, rivalries. What it's done to rivalries is just disgusting to me. I look at a guy who once played for Michigan, who transfers to Ohio State, I look at a guy who once played for Alabama, who transfers to Auburn, Florida State, Florida, whatever. And I think to myself, there should be laws against that, but there really shouldn't need to be laws against it. It should just be ingrained in you. That's a no, no. No one needs to tell me if I play for Ohio State that it's a no, no to transfer to Michigan. It's just this unspoken but understood moral contract that you should take in exchange for playing the sport. But then here's the worst kind of person. The worst kind of person is the one that comes in and you say, man, no one should ever transfer from Ohio State to Michigan. There's a guy who comes in and says, well, you can't. You can't do that. You can't restrict those players movements. Hey, dude, I never said that they shouldn't be legally allowed to. Or if I did, I was joking. I said it should be understood. It's no different than if I'm at Publix. I don't really need a law to tell me not to leave my buggy in the middle of the parking lot. I'm just supposed to know it. Like, there are certain parts of the societal fabric or parts of the sporting societal fabric that are supposed to be understood. But when you enter this equation where the bedrock principles of college football are devalued and you've got people in your ear telling you the only thing that matters is how much the bottom line is for you in a given year, how much you can earn in a given year. And that matters well above and beyond anything else, then you're going to have that kind of approach. And again, I don't want to lay it in the lap of a kid solely because I haven't been in that position. So I've never been 19 years old, having balled out my freshman year at Clemson, only for South Carolina to come along and say, we'll give you $1.2 million to transfer here. Mind you, you grew up on food stamps. You had no idea where your next meal was coming from when you were growing up. Your family's counting on you to financially provide for them. We're going to pay you triple what Clemson will pay you if you transfer here. Well, that becomes a whole different world, doesn't it? That becomes a whole different, as Meemaw would say, a whole different kettle of fish. I get all that, but that's an individual hypothetical case well within the old overall, like, grand scheme of what it is. So it doesn't change the fact that I hate it. Even if there are individual circumstances like that. What I would love is for there to exist a world where everybody kind of knows they're getting a big enough chunk of revenue share, especially if you're playing for a major conference team, that no one's leaving out of pure life necessity. No one's leaving for survival. Okay? At that point, you're leaving because you're choosing to leave. And I don't know that we can ever get back to it. I happen to think we can. I happen to think that there are mechanisms and levers that you can pull in college football to sort of right the ship a little bit, and it will again become really taboo for that concept to exist. But I just hate that. I hate that it's. It hasn't diminished or it hasn't erased the value of a rivalry. It has muted it just a little bit. When you have guys who just transfer from one side to another or even this. I'll give you one. One worse, I guess not. One better one. Even worse than that is when there's a guy who plays a pivotal role in, like, big moments of a season for you, maybe it was in a rivalry game, but plays big moments, an instrumental part of a season, and then he transfers. Like, how are you supposed to look back on that? I think about, man, when was this? What was the year? It was the fourth and 31 play. I think it was Isaiah Bond, maybe that Milroe threw the ball to. It was 4th and 31. I know where I was. I was in Detroit's airport watching this. Whoever caught the ball, like Jacore Brooks or Isaiah Bond, whoever that was, he transferred right after the season. So you look back on this iconic moment in Alabama football history, and it kind of gets saturated, because the guy who caught the ball, you know, in a former generation, in a former life, you would look at that and he would be like a legend, and, oh, he'll never have to buy a meal in Tuscaloosa again. Crimson Tide for life. He wasn't even Crimson Tide. A month later, he transferred to Texas. And so I just. I hate that concept, man. I get why it happens. I get why it exists. I get what it probably takes for it not to exist. I don't have the power to snap my fingers and make that happen, but I just hate the cumulative impact that the Nil Portal era has had on that part of the fabric. The sanctity of tradition, the sanctity of rivalries. And I just always thought to myself, let's say I go and I enroll at Penn State, and maybe I'm a little homesick to start off with, and maybe I'm thinking, oh, maybe I'll transfer out. But I've always thought to myself, once I get in, especially once I become an integral part of this team and doubly, especially if I make some impact plays to help this team in some big games, I'm in now. I'm in because I like to think that I would view it in terms of legacy. And I'm thinking 20 years from now, if I just made this big play here, but then I just transferred, how are they going to remember me? There is a lot of equity that's built by creating a legacy in one uniform, but I know no one's thinking like that now. I certainly know agents aren't in their clients ear telling them that agents aren't making a whole lot of money off legacy. Agents are making money on you getting a 40% raise by transferring. I get all that. Everyone's looking out for themselves right now. I get all that. That doesn't mean I have to like it. It does mean that we're done with this though. Please make sure you subscribe to the YouTube channel, which this is not on. And please make sure that you're following in the podcast feed wherever you get your pods, which is a sentence I always hate because everyone says it. But wherever you're listening now is where you get your podcast. So I appreciate you guys so much. We'll be back regular show Thursday night. Until then, appreciate everyone. Take care. Have a great rest of your day and God bless.

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