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Josh Pate's College Football Show
Rivalry Week Reaction Show + Lane Kiffin To LSU & More BIG Hires + CFP Chaos Ahead
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Josh Pate
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Bowen Yang
This is Bowen Yang from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
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Matt Rogers
Hey Bowen, it's gift season. Ugh.
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Bowen Yang
Stressing me out. Why are the people I love so hard to shop for?
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Probably cause they only make boring gift guides that are totally uninspired. Except for the guide we made in.
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Josh Pate
I just I want to leave this show with no regrets tonight. I guess one regret that I can't control is I just wish Meemaw could have been around to see this day. I hold in my hand a stack of paper so heavy I have to use two hands to hold it up. We're jam packed. It is Sunday. It is November 30th, the year of our Lord 2025, high atop a pretty frigid downtown Nashville, Tennessee. I don't know that there's anything on the planet like college football. I don't know how long the show is going to Go tonight. Fanduel set the over under right at 120.5 minutes. Jesse tells me our longest show ever was an hour 48. So look, I'm going to talk as fast as I can. We have a metric ton of things to discuss, you and I. It was rivalry week. So yes, Ohio State curse is broken. We got to talk about that. Lane Kiffin's the new head coach at lsu. John Sumrall is the new head coach at Florida. Alex Goelish is the new head coach at Auburn. Penn State has no earthly idea who their next head coach is going to be. And Arkansas has landed Ryan Silverfield. So that all just happened over the span of about the past 15 minutes. Also Vandy beat Tennessee on the road and dropped in the AP poll. So yeah, we're going to discuss that. The committee's rankings come out 48 hours from now. We've got all sorts of chaos scenarios. The ACC doomsday scenario is back in play and I'm supposed to talk about it all in one show. And you know what, going to do it. They're watching us in Bellbrook, Ohio. Tampa, Florida, Hagerstown, Maryland, Abilene, Texas. I don't even beg or plead with you anymore. I just humbly suggest to you this is the freest college football show on the planet. It's the most jam packed college football show on the planet. It is 100% free to subscribe. It costs you nothing. It signs you up for nothing. We do it year round. We're not under any corporate ownership. We don't take orders from anyone but ourselves because you've allowed us to exist that way. So if you're watching the show, thank you. Do me one more favor. Subscribe to the channel and if you're already subscribed, check and make sure you are because many, many, many of you are not. Okay, that's it. I would beg harder but immunity. I got to dive into the show tonight. Here it is finally written on a piece of paper, Bradley, right here in front of me. Lane Kiffin is the new head coach and at lsu. Let's not beat around the bush. It's one of the biggest days in the history of this program. This is a program that anyone this side of Brian Kelly this millennium has won a national championship as the head coach of Lane Kiffin may very well be the next. This could have gone really sideways. I think we all understand that. Okay, if we just hit the rewind button about a month, Brian Kelly's out and the governor saying one thing and then We've got an athletic director and is he going to be permanent? Is he going to be the interim? And there's a whole lot of other competition out there. Florida's job is open. Who knows what the NFL may offer? Elaine Kiffin, by a mile, is the number one candidate in the marketplace. Can LSU get its act together? Well, you know what? LSU got its act together, so to that I have to hat tip them. And they got the job done and they landed their slam dunk number one candidate. So the Marty Smith hostage situation, sort of masquerading as the LSU coaching search has come to an end. Glad to see our guy Marty Smith there. Our correspondent on the battlefield in Oxford, Mississippi, finally gets some much needed R and R. And one day, you know, we're talking about documentaries about Lane Kiffin. Maybe one day Marty Smith does his own documentary about the past 72 to 96 hours of his life. That felt like four years. It's really hard for me to be consistent emotionally. It has been hard for me to be consistent emotionally throughout this whole thing. I wrote down some words I have felt. Maybe you can compile your own list. Throughout the duration of LSU pursuing Lane Kiffin, I felt entertained. I found myself in disbelief. I felt a lot of intrigue. I felt disgusting. I felt fatigue. Now we feel finality. There's excitement, there's sadness. I felt all these things. So if you've been out there and you've just been watching this and you felt one emotion throughout this whole thing, are you even alive? Are you a real person? I also am keenly aware that college football is exploding in popularity. So every year, really every month, every week, every day of every year, there's someone new to our sport. And many, many someones happen to walk in the door of college football in the past month, or maybe just in the past year, like this fall's been your first real indoctrination into college football. And you look around and say, you can't be serious. This is what this is like. And my answer is no. Most of the time it's not quite like this. But it is amazing, isn't it? Yeah, you guys are waiting for Landman Season 2. And look, I'm hooked on it too. But you have to wait for these series to re up. And are we even gonna get Euphoria season whatever? I don't know. There are rumors of feuding on the set. But I know what I did get. I got Lane Kiffin to lsu. And it was not without casualties, figuratively speaking, because I have talked with Many, many, many of our friends at Ole Miss. I've seen the footage from the airport. I watched some dude yell an F bomb towards Chris Kiffin's kid, Cookie, which is unacceptable, by the way. And that kid's, like, barely old enough to talk, so I don't really know where he's at in this whole thing. I guess he's heading to LSU with everybody else. I know there's a lot of very, very raw, bitter feelings there at Ole Miss. There's no universal truth here. I don't know what else you want me to tell you. Like, everyone, when this has been going on, they've been wanting you to pick sides. The Ole Miss folks have wanted you to empathize with them, and the LSU folks have wanted you to say, oh, man, we got to do whatever it takes to land our coach. He can act any way he wants to. That's just. That's just part of the fun. It's like, obviously, if the roles were reversed, everyone in Baton Rouge would be saying the things people in Oxford are saying. And that doesn't absolve you, because everyone in Oxford would be saying what my friends down in Baton Rouge are saying right now. And the innocent bystanders. You can just apply all of that to yourselves if you're ever in the market for a coach or your coach ever leaves you. Because one of the most overused adages in sports is fan is short for fanatic. I don't think I've ever said it on the show. It's so old. The first time I heard it, 20 years ago, I saw, man, that's edgy. That is brilliant. And then everyone started saying it. However, it is true. So there's a lot of fanaticism here. Any fan base in any of these spots would have felt the same way. Everyone has their take on what really happened. I know that. I know everyone has an opinion. So not only is it enough, or is it not enough, rather, to know the truth? And that is very, very soft. Very, very much written in shades of gray, depending on who you are here. But everyone has their opinion on whether this was all orchestrated. When did Lane know he was going to go to lsu? Did he just lead Ole Miss on this whole time? Was he really conflicted? Was he just lying to your face? You don't know. You think you know. You don't know. I'll share my perspective without betraying confidence. I talked to Lane a fair amount during this whole ordeal. I never once asked him where he was going. Never did that, because I kind of have fun finding out with the rest of you. But talked to him several times. So from my vantage point, I think he was pretty conflicted. That's why I kept coming on the show and we would do periodic updates about Lane Kiffin and the LSU coaching search in the Florida coaching search. And. And everyone wanted these definitive statements, and everyone wanted a prediction. And as late as last week, like, Brett McMurphy hit us up for a feature he was doing for on3.com about just the general prediction of people in the college football media space. I didn't even text him back, but then Brett, persistent as he is, hit me and said, hey, you haven't texted me back yet. So I said, I guess lsu. I didn't know. Best guess was lsu. The point is, that wasn't just fence writing. It was from talking to him a whole lot. There were just a lot of different perspectives. Okay. So I do think that down the stretch a little bit ago, you know, maybe a couple of days ago, I think it became fairly clear in his mind that he was leaving. And I think that crystallized itself into, if I'm leaving, it's going to be lsu. And then I think the fight, the final few days was not so much, am I leaving or not? This is my personal perspective on this. The fight the final few days was, am I going to be able to stick around here and coach? And there were a lot of different takes on that, too. And I thought yesterday on college game day, there were some opinions shared that sounded, you know, pretty universal on that set, and that is all, you got to let him coach at Ole Miss now. I thought it was laughable. I've always thought the notion of him being able to stick around and at Ole Miss and coach as long as he wants to, even though he's taken a job with a rival, was laughable. I told him this, had an argument about it, and our opinions just differ on that. But I looked at it from the vantage point of Keith Carter. You know, the one thing that you can't accuse Lane of being is really, really dishonest. I know that comes as a shock to a lot of people, but he was pretty forthright in what he had been doing the entire time, whether it be his family going and checking out property down in Gainesville or Baton Rouge the next day and what he was considering and where his mind was. He was pretty communicative with the administration there, as far as I know, the entire time. I think he thought that built up a lot of goodwill. So that when it came time for him to make a decision if he hit the exit door, that that goodwill and that equity could be cashed in in the form of, I get to stick around and coach this team in the playoff as long as our season goes. And I just never thought that was going to happen. I expressed that. So it didn't happen. And anyone who thought that was going to happen, I mean, really genuinely thought that was going to happen, I just ask why? Why did you ever think that was going to happen? Put yourself not in the shoes of Lane Kiffin or a fan. Put yourself in the shoes of Keith Carter, the athletic director there. Like, why? I could never come up with an answer. I could come up with a lot of answers as to why it wouldn't happen if I were him, why I wouldn't allow it to happen. I think, you know, there was another path where Lane could have said, I'm just not giving you a decision by your deadline. In which case I thought they may suspend him with pay because I didn't think that there was ever going to be a situation where he was just, you know, allowed to stick around there. So the big questions now that this is in our rearview mirror is not, where does Ole Miss go? They snapped their fingers and said, pete Golding, you're our new head coach. Penn State's been wandering in the woods behind our studio for the better part of two months trying to find a coach. Ole Miss executed a coaching search in about four hours today. It turns out the replacement was in the building the whole time. So, well, that's that on the front of Ole Miss. Like, congrats, guys, and good luck to Pete Golding, and we'll have plenty of time to talk about that. But as for Lane at lsu. Staff, staff, staff, staff, staff. It's all I ever care about. When coaches are hired. It's all I ever care about. You could do the Tom Fornelli obligatory. I just ripped this from Fornelli. I assume he gets a licensing fee every time I say it. Great hire. No clue whether it'll work out now. I have a strong suspicion it's going to work out. And I don't know what his defensive staff is going to look like there. We're live right now, so even as we speak to each other, he's in the building down there meeting with, among other people, American hero Blake Baker, better known to the rest of you as the defensive coordinator at lsu. That guy's one of the best in the business. I also think he may have head coaching offers because a lot of really good G5 level programs are opening up. So who knows? How does this settle in? Time is the other thing. I wonder, and this is impossible to answer right now. Certainly, if I asked anyone in Oxford, Mississippi, he's public enemy number one. He'll never be welcome in this city again. And I'd feel the same way if I were you. It may always be that way. I don't know. My suspicion is there's a lot of this, that Lane Kiffin regrets in terms of how it went down. Make no mistake. Make no mistake, he enjoyed a lot of this. You know him, you don't ever have to have spoken to Lane Kiffin a single day in your life or shared a room with him to know, yeah, that guy, that guy kind of leaned into some of this. Of course he did. Of course. I would expect nothing less from him. I think there are other parts where, of course, you only get to go around the merry go round once that he looks back on and says, yeah, I really wish I would handle this different. That different. There's. There's no fakeness about what they were able to accomplish there over the past six years, especially this past year. So you want to remember that fondly. You want to be remembered fondly. You can't walk around talking about valuing the legacy you leave behind only to blowtorch it on the way out and not regret a little bit of that. Now, whether you think that's all on you or whether you think that's 20% on you, 80% on them, whatever, okay. In time, the math gets kind of fuzzy on that. The details and people's memories of the details get kind of fuzzy. How do you Remember Ole Miss 20 years from now? How does Ole Miss remember you 20 years from now? I don't know. I do know that LSU plays in Oxford, Mississippi, next season. That's what I do know. We could drive there, of course, courtesy of Quick Trip. Happy that they have fueled the Fall Don't Lie Tour every week this year. And it's been a really, really fun ride. I was at a Quick Trip as recently as 3am this morning on our way back from Auburn, Alabama, where we were at the Iron bowl last night, of course, fueled by Quick Trip. Appreciate you guys. And it's, you know, it's not part of the tour officially because the tour is just the regular season. But I can report that we will be at the SEC Championship game Saturday. And that could be. That could be not the last announcement about that game this week, mind you. So just stay tuned for that.
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
This is Bowen Yang from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
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Matt Rogers
Hey Bowen, it's gift season.
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Bowen Yang
Ugh. Stressing me out. Why are all the people I love so hard to shop for like me? Exactly, honey.
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Matt Rogers
I'm easy. But you're right, holiday gifting is stressful.
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Bowen Yang
And all the gift guides out there are boring and uninspired.
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Matt Rogers
Wait, what about the guide we made.
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
Actually surprise you with categories like Best gifts for the mom whose idea of a sensible walking shoe is a stiletto, she wants a pair of stilettos.
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Matt Rogers
Or Best gifts for me that were so thoughtful I really shouldn't have dying.
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
Just wait till you see what else is in there. It's basically a one stop shop for everyone.
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Matt Rogers
You know, I started bookmarking half the list for myself.
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Bowen Yang
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Josh Pate
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Josh Pate
Cut the camera. They see us. Only pay for what you need@libertymutual.com Liberty Liberty Liberty. Liberty Savings Ferry Unwritten by Liberty Mutual Insurance Company and affiliates Massachusetts got a huge crowd watching like 16 or 17,000 live viewers. Welcome, everyone. Happy to have you. We got a long way to go on the show. Tonight we are live as live can be, high atop frigid Nashville, Tennessee. Just make sure you are subscribed to the channel because this is all we do when the college football season's over, what do we talk about? College football. NBA trade deadline. Never heard of her. Could not care less. Respectfully, NFL. Other folks can handle that. It's just college football around here and we get to do it the way we want to because of you subscribing to the channel. Look at that. We're dangerously close to 500,000. So we would appreciate you getting us over the finish line. All right, we got a long way to go. Let's go. Ohio State 27, Michigan 9. Curse is broken, people. Curse is broken. Two and a half chow I On this game, the snow always adds the obligatory half chow I this game got pretty boring, I'm told in the second half. Now, the reason I say that sarcastically is cause Ohio State folks couldn't care less. Boring is beautiful to them. But I've seen some of the correspondence from the haters today. The haters think I missed on this game, Jesse. The haters tuned out after Tuesday last week. And it is true that in the Tuesday prediction video, I laid out a full case for Ohio State to win the game, only to pick Michigan. Because I've been wrong about this game the past four years and I'm really tired of looking like a clown. Some people say my picks on the game have nothing to do with me looking like a clown. I was just born that way. And to that I say, shame on you. Shame on you. But I would also say, what if you're wrong? What if you're wrong about it? All you are. I woke up yesterday morning and I realized I had done something terrible. I had gone against my conscience. And my conscience was, Ohio State's going to win this game. So I hit up friend of the program, Will Compton, and I said, what do I do about this and I mean, you know, he's always there for good advice. You got to follow your heart. You got to. What does your heart tell you? Well, my heart tells me Ohio State by 50 today, but I'm not going to pick a margin of victory. But I do want to pick Ohio State. What do I do? Well, hey Buddy, it's only 11:50am I. You still got time to do whatever you want to. I flipped my pick and I told him, I need you to screenshot it. So he screenshot it. And then at the conclusion of the game yesterday, which truthfully was a little bit after halftime, he released it. And some people said, this doesn't count. I don't care if you think it counts because it's just picking a college football game. There are no rules. We can do whatever we want to. As it turns out, Ohio State could do pretty much whatever they wanted to yesterday. This game was not all that complicated. After all the four year buildup, all they had to do was go in there and take care of a couple of padlock stats. The first to paper popper. It's very simple. As we told you Tuesday, the team that rushes for the most yards in this game has been golden since 2001. Without fail, the team that leads in the rushing category has won every game. Ohio State 186, Michigan 100. Ballgame. The second half was especially violent. 110 to negative 8. So yeah, that'll get the job done. However, if that's not enough for you, if you're listening and saying, oh, maybe Ohio State broke one long run and then they turned it over, that's not a padlock stat. That wouldn't tell me everything I need to know about the game. Ohio State had more plays in a drive in the second half without communication from the box, by the way, than Michigan had the entire second half. They went on a 20 play drive. 11 minutes, 56 seconds. It was like, it was like watching Alexander lead an army. But instead of, you know, in a mountain range somewhere over in the Netherlands or Europe, it was, well, it was Ann Arbor and it was Ryan Day, as it turns out. I can see Ryan Day just go, go kill some really, really big animal and throw it over him and then put a staff in his hand, take his headset off because apparently it's not working by that point. Anyway, it didn't matter. It was straight up Pop Warner Julian saying, run a play. We got four and a half, we got five. Okay, run over here to the sideline right quick. We're going to call it into you and just go do the same thing again 19 more times and we'll just never give them the ball back. So, yeah, it turns out that's also a pretty sound strategy. The competitive character of Ohio State is pretty incredible. So I've been. I've probably been a bigger admirer of that than any one thing they've done this year. Julian Sainz had a good year. Maybe he'll win the Heisman. I don't know. They've got incredible receiver talent. They've got really good talent everywhere. But go back to the first quarter. Oh, everyone looks at the final 27 9. History will remember this as a blowout. It bordered on a splattering. Put one more touchdown on the board. I was ready to fire off the tweet. That's how history will remember it. But I would like you, since we are, you know, about 30 or so hours removed from this game, do me a favor and go back in time. You don't have to go back to the start of the game. Go back to midway through the first quarter. Michigan's, you know, kind of hit him in the mouth just a little bit. Jesse said, probably more like a slap. Nevertheless, contact was made to Ohio State's face with Michigan's hand, figuratively to start this game. And I was perusing Twitter. I was in my hotel room getting ready to head over to Auburn and I saw a few people say, oh, this feels familiar. Uh oh, looks like it's happening again. Did you feel that way? It doesn't appear. It doesn't appear. Ohio State did, but did you feel that way? All right, this is where I want to talk about competitive character for a second. I think it's more important than anything in the box score and more important than any statistic. They play like the most battle tested team in the country. You've seen those teams that have been in a whole bunch of close games so they look totally comfortable when they trail early in a game later in the year. Ohio State hasn't been that team. Ohio State has trailed virtually none the whole year. Ohio State has held their first 12 opponents to under 17 points. That's the first time any team has done that since Florida in 1975. Paper Popper of a stack. And yet you would have watched him yesterday and thought, man, this team's playing like their backs been against the wall since late September. And the other thing they played with is a total collective amnesia, a total disregard for recent history because not only did they get hit a little bit and they trailed Early. Not only that, Julian Saint throws a pick, which I'm told was impossible for him to do. Not only is all that happening and they have no problem with it. They've lost the last four. There are serious allegations out there that this has nothing to do with the neck down. It's a neck up. It's a mental thing for Ohio State. They're like in that position. And look, if the Fox cameras would have tuned in at the right time, we may have even caught a couple of yawns on the Ohio State sideline. That's how suspiciously comfortable they felt in that position. It's competitive character. It's the vibe, it's. It's the environment they create in that building. It's so hard to do. It's the hardest thing in the world to do. And you may think to yourself, that's not hard at all. They've played inferior competition this year. That's easy. No, it's not. No, it's. It's easy for Ohio State to beat Rutgers on a Saturday. That's true. But that's not what I said. I didn't say they've beaten a bunch of teams. They've beaten a bunch of teams while preserving the characteristics of a team that has been in dogfights all year, even though they haven't been pressed. It's just competitive characters. Insane. Ryan Day may be doing the best job coaching that he's ever done this year, and he's getting very little credit for it because, well, they don't judge you until the end of the year if you win a national title. And that's when people decide whether you were a good coach or not. I know that because this time, a calendar year ago, many people didn't think he was the right guy for Ohio State, period. So we don't need to relive that. That's ancient history. Julian saying zero pressures yesterday. It's a little different. It's a little different when Michigan can't get consistent pressure and stop the run with four. It's a little different. The way that game plays out. Their defense is amazing, man. Matt Patricia's higher. It's so funny. It's. Again, it's like watching the end of this game, watching the final score versus how you felt six minutes into the game. A little bit different. Well, Matt Patricia, when he first got hired, how you felt versus how you feel now, it makes you want to erase how you felt. It's kind of embarrassing in retrospect that anyone ever doubted it. Just like it's embarrassing in retrospect, if you ever thought Michigan had a shot in this game early on, do you know how desirable the Ohio State defensive coordinator position is? Or any position on their staff is? Ryan Day could have conducted a national search and he would have had a of defensive personnel in the country beating down his door. There are several head coaches at the G5 and even P4 level that would gladly have taken a promotion to be the defensive coordinator at Ohio State. Cause that's absolutely what that is. And he went and got Matt Patricia and everyone said he do what now? Do what? Matt Patricia. Oh no, he didn't stutter. Yeah, Matt Patricia. And here we are. They've. They're better. They're better than they were last year. I don't even know how it's possible. They just got a bunch of answers. I think it was Joel Klatt on the broadcast yesterday. He put it really, really well. He articulated it really well. He said, while a lot of the other contenders down the stretch just leave you with more and more questions, this team keeps giving you nothing but answers like quarterback, no doubt, wide receiver. That there hasn't been a doubt. Offensive coordinator, defensive coordinator. They had to replace both. Check, check. Running back position. I was at Auburn last night and they honored the 40th anniversary of Bo Jackson's Heisman season. And it wasn't even the most memorable Bo Jackson moment of the day yesterday. Watching Ohio State with a tailback named Bo Jackson, that was more memorable. All due respect to Bo at Auburn, but there hasn't been a wake up call all year. Like if you're trying to pick them apart, the one thing you have to cling to is there's a wake up call coming where someone finally gets them out into the deep end into the fourth quarter and you know, they're good enough and they specifically match up well enough. And you know, maybe that's like Oregon last year, Ohio State emphatically did that to Oregon and it didn't matter that they were the one seed and they were undefeated because once you lose in the playoffs, you're out. Short of that, if Ohio State's not going to be vulnerable, then the window, you know, the, the field of who can win the national title is very, very, very small and maybe one team deep. Honestly. As for the Michigan side of things, I understand a lot of folks who were saying today this really kind of deflates Sharon Moore and I get that. I kind of feel that way. I think it's fair to feel that way. That doesn't mean give up on Him. That doesn't mean sell on him. It's nothing like that. But this was kind of what Sharon Moore had. He had either been a part of the Stavs or been a head coach of the Michigan staffs that were part of this four year run and now that run is done. So outside of that, you look around and they had a bad year last year other than the Ohio State win at the end of the year in the Bama bowl game. But outside of that, like there was nothing to write home about. And this year they're going to finish nine and three. But they lost the three biggest games yesterday plus the Oklahoma game, plus the USC game. In those three games they scored 13, 13 and nine. So what is Sharon Moore going to become? Like, what's the best version of Michigan under Sharon Moore? Totally fair question. The Signetti curse is real, by the way, with anyone who's asking for patience. I mean, you got a guy come in the door at Indiana and light the world on fire immediately and no one has patience for you anymore at Michigan to take several years to build a winner. Is that fair? Probably not. Is it reality? Yes, it is. Big Ten championship game Saturday. Speaking of Indiana, they are five and a half point dogs against Ohio State. Big week, guys. It's conference championship week. Yes, but I just. We got a live show Friday in Atlanta. I'll talk about that later. We'll, we'll be in New York Thursday doing some stuff with espm. We'll still be back in Nashville by the time the show is supposed to air that night. Just a lot going on. Thank you so much for making it possible. Subscribe to the channel if you haven't already. I mean that's, that's what I enjoy or what I appreciate rather more than anything because that helps us do all this stuff. John Summerall is the new head coach at Florida now. They were in the Lane Kiffin sweepstakes. So if you're going to go from Lane Kiffin to pretty much anyone else who was available in this coaching cycle, I get that you're going to be disappointed. You shouldn't be disappointed about John Sumrall. Truthfully, many of you don't know a lot about John Sumrall, which is totally fine. Others of you, pretty much the rest of you are scarred in the Florida fan base because you just remember going to the G5 ranks in the state of Louisiana and bringing in a guy who ultimately failed. So I have taken a totally new approach on head coaching hires ever since. Freezing cold takes threw my old Jonathan Smith Take in my face earlier today where I said, and I quote, jonathan Smith will win at Michigan State. He got fired today, unceremoniously. I'm not predicting anything with coaching hires anymore. I'm not even going to predict it with Lane. Maybe it'll work out. I guess it'll work out. But I can give personal testimony for who you're hiring. I can give my personal feel on the hires. So John Sumrall is going to be compared to Billy Napier lazily because he's from the G5 ranks in the state of Louisiana. And hey, man, we just, we just hired a guy from the G5. And since he didn't work out, no G5 coach could ever work out at Florida. Now, of course, that's pretty insane and pretty low hanging fruit thinking. I will tell you this, there are ways, there are scenarios where John Sumrall doesn't work out at Florida. If John Sumrall doesn't work out at Florida, it's not going to be because of where he came from. It's going to be because of what he lacks. And that could go as much as him coming from the NFL as it could from him coming from high school. He could have been a head coach in the Big Ten. Does he have the critical factors and characteristics that it takes to win at Florida? So I know John, so I've been around him. So I know some of the things he has very, very much a type, a very much an alpha personality. Now Will Muschamp is too. So I know that doesn't guarantee anything at Florida. He's very intentional with the way he structures his program. I think most importantly, he's very flexible. So you know, you could, you could find especially a young head coach's resume and you can pick it apart and say, oh, look, look at that stat. Look at this stat. Well, this is not a guy who is unflinchingly rigid. He's, he's rigid towards one thing and that's winning. Outside of that, John Sumrall is the kind of guy who could go about things one way, one year, and if it delivers C minus results, wad it up, throw it in the garbage, say we're going to do it a totally different way. If that means me changing my philosophy, if it means me hiring new staffers, he's not just totally married to one way of doing things. He's married to winning as a concept. That's what he's married to. But the other important note is he's ascending. So it's my personal opinion that Sumrall is going to be a big name in college football for a long time. I think most people who are around him feel that way. But he's got a pretty infectious personality. So there are guys who totally suck at football who have infectious personalities who could fool you into believing in them. So it doesn't matter. Just cause someone likes you doesn't mean you're a good football coach. I actually think he is a likable, good football coach. Likable. Not in a sense that he's cuddly or warm or, you know, overly fun to be around. I mean, there's nothing wrong with being around John Sumrall. But John Sumrall could also stick a knife in the side of your neck if it means getting an extra three points to win a game, which is the kind of attitude that I would want if I were a Florida fan. He walks in knowing the score, though. Though. What I will tell you in talking to him a couple of times over the past week is he's keenly aware of the vibe around Florida. He is not stupid. He is keenly aware that they wanted Lane Kiffin there and they didn't get him and they got him instead. John Sumrall is the head coach of Florida and he is keenly aware of who the last head coach was at Florida. And he is keenly aware of what level of football he came from, what state he came from, and what he failed to do. And it is only natural that to draw the conclusion that the fan base will be very skeptical when they go that route again. He knows all that. I know. Cause he's told me he knows all that. And so he's the kind of guy who says it before you have to say it. Now, I don't think for us for a moment that it gives him any hesitance in taking the job or having full confidence that he can do the job. And I think in very, very short order, Florida folks will buy into it. And not just because you have no other choice. I think Florida folks will buy into John Sumrall because he will get a really, really good staff in place down there and they'll execute the vision. And I think he'll win there. Absolutely think he'll win there. I think there was a reason why his name was involved in every one of these coaching searches. And it's not just because his representation is really good at floating his name out there. It's because a lot of people view him as the next big thing in coaching circles. So here's the other thing I'LL just ask and this is out of my control. It's out of John Sumrall's control. Really. Is Florida going to be what Florida is supposed to be? Very, very open ended question. There is a working theory out there and I really can't prove the validity of this. I know everyone has their theories. There's a working theory out there that the reason Lane Kiffin sort of looked at Florida and then looked past Florida was because when they raised the hood on the program they didn't really like what was, what was inside the engine. They there were some things that were turn offs. Now anytime you ask people to give you specifics, they him haw around. As Meemaw would say, well, if that is the state of affairs down there, then Florida's got to make its mind up how serious Florida is about winning football games and being a successful program. Because I don't really care who you just hired. If you don't have the under the hood portion in a state of comparability to the other big time programs in the sec, it doesn't matter who's in the driver's seat. So I say that kind of open ended because I think it's a little unfair to just throw that stuff out there. Oh man, Florida's a mess. Really give me particulars. I don't have them. Maybe not say that then. So I ask the question, is Florida what Florida is supposed to be? If Florida is what Florida is supposed to be from a support standpoint, from an investment standpoint, then I think John Sulmerall will win there. I think there is a world where you look around three or four years from now and say, you know, in retrospect I think we got the best guy for the job regardless of who we originally chased. Maybe we end up getting the best guy for the job. Wouldn't shock me at all because nothing that happens in coaching hires ever shocks me anymore. Let's move on. A ton of show. I have a ton of show in my hand. Thank you for joining in live. Jesse tells me it's our. It's our most watched live show. Highest traffic show ever. Which is crazy because we're 34 minutes in. Subscribe to the channel if you haven't already. I was at the Iron bowl last night. Bama beat Auburn 27 to 20. Quick trip. Fueled us all the way down there and fueled us all the way home. Look, you tell me this game is going to be 17 to nothing Alabama at any point. I tell you ballgame. I said that on the sideline. Last night, Bama goes up 17 to nothing. I leaned over to Savannah State and said this one could get out of hand. In fact, I said, this one's probably over right now. Truth be told, get through four quarters. I don't know that Auburn's going to put 17 on the board. Well, they ended up putting 20 on the board and they ended up tying the game. And. And it stunned me. But Alabama did find a way I would give this four. Chalai. There was some debate internally because aesthetically it wasn't always the most pleasing of games. But when you combine one possession and it goes down to the wire, it is a rivalry game. Jordan Hare Stadium at night. Questions about whether the venue is haunted. Questions about it. I've been there many a time for many an iron Bull, and I can't totally disprove it. And that's where I'll leave that. This does make six in a row for Alabama and that stat kind of snuck up on me. Like I remember back in the day Auburn won six in a row against Alabama and it was like a huge marketing campaign. I mean, Tommy Tuberville, like, how many fingers can I hold up now? Four or five? Oh, look, I need a second hand. I didn't even know Alabama had five in a row. There's just kind of tossed into the stat sheet at the end of the game, like, here's your. Here's. They hand you a quickie statistics sheet after the games. And just a little footnote at the bottom. This makes six in a row. And I said, wait a second. One, two, three, four. I guess it does. Well, we ended up kind of being right on the money about the game profile. Remember Tuesday when we predicted the game? Pick Bama to win, pick Bama to cover. I said it really feels like the Oklahoma game for Alabama. And that is exactly how Alabama. Alabama won this game. The same way Oklahoma beat Alabama. That's exactly how this went down because Bama was plus two in the turnover battle. Oh, you was plus three against them. And therefore it didn't matter that, oh, you got outgained. It didn't matter that a bunch of the other stat categories leaned Alabama because a critical one did not. Well, last night it turned out not to matter that Auburn had a 411 to 280 total yardage edge or a 259 to 127 passing edge, which is wild. 122. My bad. Third down. Auburn was 8 of 19. Bama was 4 of 17. None of it matters because you're plus two turnovers and you know, you may call that randomized, which it kind of is, but Jesse, weren't there like four fumbles that Auburn put on the deck and Bam only got one of them. What game does that sound like? That sounds exactly like when they played Oklahoma the other day. There, there were minus three turnovers. But anyone who watched the game knows Bama was lucky to only be -3 because there were several other balls got put on the deck, got punched out that they happened to recover. So forget the idealistic approach to the Alabama season. That's out the window. You got to be realistic. Now I know everyone keeps watching them. Bama fans keep watching them and saying, man, why can't we just explode? Why can't this offense just explode? Well, probably cause you're beat to death. Ryan Williams has been an afterthought, just a total ghost. Teams don't really respect your deep ball because you can't complete it consistently enough. They know you're not going to run the ball to beat them. And so what does that leave? It leaves a very, very limited toolbox. And I mean, they're having a formation and scheme their ways to first down. They got to run nine miles to get two yards on some of these third and fourth critical downs. But they're doing it. So you got to give them credit. Ty Simpson, I think it's pretty obvious. Far less than 100% running back room beat to death. Jam Miller went out of this game last night. He left the stadium on crutches. Josh Cuevas, I thought his absence was really felt in this game last night. I said last week I thought he's been maybe their third or fourth most important offensive player. So no timetable on when they'll get him back or if there is one. I haven't seen it. But they found a way to get the job done. I mean, Bama, because of winning that string of games they won't, was not in a situation where they needed style points. They just needed to win the game. They did. If you told me Friday they're going to score 27 points, I would have cashed it. That's going to be good enough to win. And it was good enough to win. Not by much, but good enough to win. Pretty inexcusable effort from Auburn. I got to be real, you knew you were limited. You got the interim head coach over there. He's coaching for his life. DJ Durkin. You're. You're starting. I mean, it's going to be backup quarterback because it has been all year, because quarterback's been a disaster for them, but you just had drops everywhere and Ashton Daniels was really the only ground game that they had and they had a chance even after all that to tie this game. And they really, really had a chance in about the. I'd say like the middle eight parts of the game towards halftime. They had two 10 play drives to end the first half and they got six points off of them. And that really. I know that didn't end the game because they went on to tie it. That to me is the turning point in that game. So with Bama, do we just keep waiting? Cause it's. It's SEC championship game week, which they are playing in, by the way. So congrats to them. There's no more waiting for their offense to click. The only thing that can make their offense click, you know, to the degree that you're talking about when you say that at this point would be they need time off, they. They need to rest, they need time to heal, get guys back. Until then, this is going to be the vibe. It is. It is. It is duct tape. It is bubblegum. It is paper clipping your way to offensive production Pass pro was little iffy last night. Left a little something to be desired. It's a tough building to play in, though. But every game for Alabama is going to be an emergency landing right now. You get it up in the air and they're going to be alarm bells going off all over the place and the meters are going to be off the charts and you're going to have sirens and you're going to have panic and you're going to have papers flying around all over the place. There will be a path to landing the thing every week. You got good enough players, you got a good enough staff, you got a good. They're very resilient. There will be a path, but they've got to thread the needle. It's a very low margin for error team right now. It is very much a tightrope walk. There's so much labor that goes into every first down right now, but it's there. It's on the table. They're a two and a half point dog, I think against Georgia Saturday. There will be a path there. Georgia's beat to death, too. Okay, so it's like a mass unit going into Atlanta against another one and the one. The one who can survive basically and keep 11 on the field the entire game has a decent shot at winning Iron Bowl. Always a memorable experience. Love that thing at night. Make sure. Make sure you experience that One. Now, I mentioned the SEC championship game. So that's going down this Saturday in Atlanta. We'll be there. And there will be some details on that game coming up soon. I think. Going to be pretty exciting. But as for the things that I can talk about right now. Georgia, you're locked in. You know you're going to be there. Bama, you're locked in. You know you're going to be there. Many of you are going to be in Atlanta. That Friday night before. This is when we push this event. Friday night, 7:00pm, the Buckhead Theater in Buckhead, Georgia, which is just north of Atlanta. We have our first ever full live show. Not a live show in a sense, like I'm doing right now. I mean a live event. I mean, special guests on stage. I mean, not broadcast anywhere. So the only way that you see it is by being there in person. Very interactive. Pass the mic around the audience. A lot of back and forth. I normally only do that with students in college classes. Exclusive merch that I can't even get my hands on yet. They're going to be quick trip. Giveaways galore. Going to be a lot of giveaways. It's going to be a fun night. Tickets are available now. We have a very, very limited amount left. I don't expect these to last all week, so I would highly advise you, if you want to be there, get in now. Patestatematerial.com you'll see the live event tab there. We're looking very, very forward to that. Look, I mean, we didn't even know what size of venue to book in retrospect. Now we know we can book bigger venues, but we'll get a really, really good crowd in there and have a lot of fun Friday night.
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And I was so confident and I was so complimentary that Auburn had gotten the job done and they had gotten it to the finish line, because they had. And then they tripped all over themselves and I really, really thought they'd screwed themselves. I was very disappointed in Auburn. And then they picked themselves up and they got over the finish line and it was like watching Armageddon. It's like you got to go land the shuttle on the asteroid and there's way tail debris than you ever thought. And the other shuttle gets blown to bits and it's just you and the glass is cracking and everything. And we landed it somehow. Now you still got to drill the hole and plant the nuclear weapons and get out and blow it up. And so, you know, there's still a lot of work to be done. But at least you landed on the asteroid. At least Auburn got a really good head coach that most of you don't even know. Most Auburn fans did not wake up this morning intimately familiar with Alex Goelish. That's okay. Will he win a national championship at Auburn? Guarantee he will. Nope, nope. I don't guarantee it. I don't think legally I can do that. Will he win an SEC championship? 100%. Nope. Nope. I'm told I can't do that either. I got no clue if he's going to win there. I am irrationally excited, though, about Alex Goelish at Auburn. I know what works at Auburn. I grew up around Auburn. We've seen a whole lot of what doesn't work at Auburn, haven't we, ladies and gentlemen? Yes, we have. You don't even have to be an Auburn fan to shake your head. The difference is Auburn people are shaking their heads, frowning, whereas LSU and Bama and Georgia folks are shaking their heads laughing. Boy, rival fans have enjoyed this stretch of Auburn football. So anytime you make a new hire, they get a little bit nervous because the last thing that the league wants is for Auburn to figure itself out. That's not fun for anyone. This guy will be so universally adored. There within a year that I can't really put into words how good a fit he will be. The ultimate fit is winning games. So it doesn't matter how much you're liked. If you don't win games, you will be hated. That is the nature of this business. You're paid seven to eight figures per year in exchange for you having some thick skin. We all understand that. I don't even have to say that. But not a lot is known about him. I think you will come to know him very quickly. He'll be the kind of guy that every couple of weeks you hear a sound bite from and you go, man, dude, I kind of wish that was my head coach. I wish my head coach sounded a little bit more like that. Now I'm going to say it like I've already said two times, I'm going to say it a third time. Got to win. Got to win. But I will tell you one of the things I'll guarantee you quarterback's not going to be a problem at Auburn much longer. I'm looking at a list right now. It sounds a little something like this. Kyle Frazier, Clint Mosley, Jonathan Wallace, Nick Marshall, Jeremy Johnson, Shawn White, Jaron Stidham. Bad Bo Nicks, TJ Finley, Robbie Ashford, Peyton Thorne, Hank Brown, Jackson Arnold, Ashton Daniels. Yeah, that's coming to an end. They may lose games 50 to 47. It won't because they can't score anymore. So that part, that nightmare is going to be over. Quarterback development, quarterback play that won't be in question much longer with Alex Gollish being the head coach at Auburn. I wonder how he's going to do, though, man, the pressure cooker that is Auburn. You know, Josh, this is. This is the only job in the SEC where you're guaranteed to face Georgia and Alabama every year. Gotta play in the Iron bowl every year. Gotta go between the hedges every other year. I don't know a lot of expectations on Alex Goelish. I just don't. Can he rise to the occasion or is he gonna melt under the pressure? I don't know if we have any other coaches in the SEC that fled the Soviet Union amidst a military coup in 1991 with $400 in their pocket. But they've got one at Auburn now, so there's a sneaking suspicion in my mind that he's going to be okay with the pressure. I just get the feeling that of all the coaches in the SEC that have proper perspective on life and pressure, something tells me Alex Golish has it. Something tells me he has it. I will also tell you, much like I said with Sumrall, there were two coaches today that were hired that I fully believe would put a knife in the side of someone's neck to win a game. That's the other one. That's the other one. We'll go down, we'll go down there eventually in the spring and we'll have him on the show and we'll start to showcase a little bit of his personality. I'd imagine you guys will see press conferences before then. Was that, Was that Matt Berry? Is that Matt Berry's first ever appearance on the show? Out of nowhere? Matt Berry, like Sting from the rafters, the rest of the league has loved this stretch. Like I just said, Auburn has not been good. I stood on the sideline last night and just shook my head at what I know that place can be and it hasn't been. Auburn is a very unique place. Some most college football programs, most fan bases claim their place is unique. A few of them actually are. Auburn's one of them. I grew up very close to there. I know about Auburn. It's a very unique place. But only when they're winning, when they're losing, they just have the same complaints everyone else does. For some reason, it's been really, really hard for the powers that be to get out of their collective way and allow Auburn to, you know, be Auburn and for the natural resources there to be properly leveraged and utilized. In the rare exceptions in Auburn history where they have been, it's been this really, really unique, nightmarish place to go play. There's this very unique energy. I really don't know how to quantify or verbalize this. There's always been like a unique vibe and energy around the Auburn fan base itself. Again, I don't know if you've been around it when they're good, you know what I mean? If you haven't been around it, I'm probably wasting my time because you would just have to experience it. Anyway, if Alex Golich is just the kind of guy that goes in there and they're scoring points, like I, I think that although in the past, like Auburn has won with like high level defensive play, I really view an offensive guy, I really view an innovator, a really, really aggressive, like no BS approach type offensive innovator that's really good with quarterbacks and really understands how to ingrain himself into the DNA of that community. That's the guy who's going to win there. Alex Golish is that guy. It's no guarantee that he's going to win. I think he's that guy. They will love him there. Auburn folks will love Alex Golish, and I don't care if you had to enter his name into Wikipedia today. And you don't want anything. You don't know anything about him. You've got several months before you play a meaningful football game again. You got time to learn who he is. I'm excited about that hire. I'm very excited about that hire. I. I think that it could have gone so bad, man, I can't reiterate this enough. All right, Auburn, they deserve some credit for getting themselves towards the finish line with John Sumrall. They deserve a mountain of criticism for fumbling it at the 11th hour. And I think it was going to be DJ Durkin. I thought as recently as yesterday DJ Durkin was going to be the head coach there, and this is no disrespect towards him. Auburn needed more than that. I think they got more than that with Alex. And it could be a situation where you just stumble backwards, tripping over yourself over the finish line, but then you look up and wait, we won. Oh, wow, we won. If you win, it doesn't matter. No one remembers how rocky the final approach to the landing was as long as you landed. A lot of playing metaphors on the show tonight. Surprising amount of them when it comes to coaching hires. I love that dude. I love the fit there. There was a lot of talk about Alex Golish in Arkansas, and I was very lukewarm on it. Alex Golish at Auburn. I'm all in on. I'm all in on that. As I am or as am I? As I shall. As we are on Academy, sports and outdoors. Bradley still thought I was talking about Auburn. No, I'm talking about Academy. Multiple academies in the Auburn, Alabama area. I know because I was there last night and we saw many of them appreciate Academy. They've been a longtime partner of the show. It's getting cold outside even down there. Last night it was like 45 degrees, which is basically the arctic tundra if you grew up where I'm from. So I wore a pea coat last night. That's how much I've not evolved. I would call that regression professionally but. Or personally. But I wore one last night. Didn't get it from Academy. My point is I needed cold weather gear and I really humiliated myself wearing that thing when I should have just gone to Academy. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I. I appreciate certain someone who dressed me last night because I couldn't dress myself, but if I didn't have Savannah State around, I could have gone to Academy and they would have been totally fine. They would have hooked me up. They can hook you up and you got winter sports coming up. You've got Christmas coming up. Like, hello, Everyone needs things in their lives. It could be a baseball glove for the spring. It could be a packet of big league chew. Could be both. Probably is both. They got it@academy.academy.com if you can't get there in person. We got so much show left. So much show left. Let's continue. Several more takeaways from yesterday. Right quick. Like Vanderbilt just boat race Tennessee in Knoxville 45 to 24. These are not typos, I'm told. 582 total yards. What combined? No, no, no, no. Just Vandy. They ran for 314 on Tennessee. So if you do the math on that, if you start in Knoxville and you run for as many yards as Vandy did, I think you get like halfway back to Nashville. I think thereabouts metric system stuff there out rushed them 314 to 83. This was just thorough second half destruction. This was a team that showed up with a little bit of a sugar high, that being Tennessee. And then there was another team that showed up on a mission and that was Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt's the better team. They emphatically proved that. And it's an absolute shame what the situation looks like it is right now. If I am to believe the AP poll which dropped Vanderbilt a spot, I'm not kidding about that, they dropped them a spot after this game. If I'm to believe that, and I'm to believe that that pretty consistently reflects the opinion of the playoff committee, then Vanderbilt is going to get no tangible benefit or no tangible reward from this game. And it's a great win. And I am telling you, if you imagine nothing more than a logo switch and you look at that resume, you slap an LSU logo or you slap a Texas logo on Vanderbilt's resume. I have zero doubt in my mind they're in the playoff. You know it, I know it. Everyone knows it. And the other shame of it is they beat South Carolina early in the year on the road. South Carolina was 11th at the time. Well, no one cares anymore because South Carolina is not a top 10, top 15 team. LSU was number 10. Brian Kelly's still there. When they came to Nashville to play Vandy, Vandy beat him. No one cares. You don't get credit for it anymore. LSU season fell off a cliff. Missouri was 15 when you beat them and then Missouri's quarterback went out in that game and Missouri season went off the rails. No one cares. You don't get credit for it. So they had a lot of quality wins or so they appeared early midpoint of the season and specifically South Carolina and LSU did not hold up their end of the bargain. And they're as responsible for Vandy not making the playoffs as Vandy is. I mean, Vandy's two losses are at Alabama and at Texas. So you keep that 10 and 2 and you go back to July and you tell anyone Vandy's going 10 and 2. I'm asking what seed they are, not whether they're going to make the playoff. I'm asking are we about to see Vandy host a playoff game in Nashville and right now they need help to get in. Just blows my mind man. Good for them though. Good for Clark Lee and Vanderbilt and they re signed him. So Clark's staying at Vanderbilt, which means Barton Simmons is staying at Vanderbilt, our local neighborhood GM here. And they are making some recruiting headlines lately as well. I see Oklahoma 17, LSU 13. The best way I can describe this game for those of you who were not able to view it is Oklahoma totally and completely blew through a red light and did not have to pay the price. We've all done it before. You just go right through a stop sign, you go right through a red light and it's like nothing happens. And you look back and you oh man, I just ran a red light. It's just my luck no one was coming but they could have been. Just like yesterday. When you're in a game with a combined 123 and outs, you lose the turnover battle 3 to 1 and you're relying totally on a couple of cat buster plays and a killer defense, which they did and they have. You are playing with fire, especially against what should have been a limp dead body of a team in LSU coming in there and you mess around and they've got the lead late and you take it and 17:13 is the final and look, I'm not taking anything away from Oklahoma. Sometimes you mess around and don't have to pay the price. They ran the red light last night. They don't have to pay the price. And because they went to Tennessee and one and because they went to Alabama and won and because they beat Missouri last week, they're good, they're in the playoff. I think case closed. But technically we have to wait and see. Oregon 26, Washington 14 did you notice how quiet this game was yesterday? No one really talked about it and that is a good thing. Quiet is very good. And so is Malik Benson. Malik Benson is like the Oregon poster for talent acquisition. Marshall. Malcolm does not need my advice. Dan Landing does not need my advice. Maybe they need my advice. You know what? I'll send it anyway. That guy needs to be put on the COVID of any kind of art or literature that you're sending out to guys. Because Malik Benson wasn't an Oregon recruit. He was a Bama recruit and he went to Bama and didn't do a whole lot. And then Florida State got him and he didn't do anything there. And then Oregon got him. So Bama and Florida State had shots. And yet it's Oregon where He's going off five catches, 102 yards and a touchdown yesterday. They're going to get a home playoff game at Oregon. They went on the road this year and beat Penn State, beat Iowa and beat Washington. And I know people in the south look at that and turn their nose up at it. Those are very, very hard places to go. Just like you guys talk about South Carolina, even when they're bad, that's a tough place to play. Well, Washington's a whole lot better than South Carolina this year, and so that's a tough place to play with a half decent team. And Oregon took care of business. Penn State, I think we all know that, was a different cup of tea earlier in the year than they were late in the year. Although I think you'll be shocked to hear what I'm about to say in just a second about Penn State as it relates to the acc. They got three weeks now at Oregon. One, two. Three weeks to get healed up. Are we going to get more about Decor and Moore? You're going to be okay. Evan Stewart, we gonna see him again. Gary Bryant, host of Other guys battling bumps and bruises and worse. Three weeks and then it's playoff time in Eugene, Oregon. You may be thinking to yourself, hmm, we're almost an hour into the show. And yet suspicious in her absence is a certain guest that we have on from time to time. I'm not looking for anything other than my Chapstick press. I can't find it. Oh, hold on. I don't want chapped lips for the Sarah McLachlan special. You know how it is. So let's apply. Look, I'm not going to beat around the bush. There's only one place I could go for the Sarah McLaughlin special. It's not a program, it's an entire conference. Or at least Something that used to be A conference. The ACC is the Sarah McLachlan special. A team from Texas lost late at night in California and it has potentially cost the Atlantic Coast Conference a spot in the playoffs. That is the realignment hell that we have found ourselves in. The doomsday scenario for the acc, once thought to be dead, is actually very much alive. We are A Duke win away in the ACC championship game from that conference potentially being shut out of the playoffs. What? That's not possible. Yes it is. Yes it is. It is very possible. FanDuel hit me up before the show and they would like to inform you to really hammer home the current state of affairs in the acc that no matter whether Virginia wins the ACC championship or Duke wins the ACC championship, either of them would be over a field goal underdog against Penn State. Penn State going to a ball game. I can't even remember Virginia one half of the ACC championship game found their way there by playing NC State and losing but not calling it a conference game and then Otherwise avoiding number two, number three, number four and number five in the league standings. Because when you have 37 teams in your league, that's how schedules can look. Ladies and gentlemen, the ACC is on the precipice of of falling totally off the playoff cliff and they have no one but themselves to blame. The ACC is this week's Sarah McLaughlin special. Never thought I'd see the day. The Big 12 is pretty straightforward. Texas Tech legally assaulted West Virginia 49 nothing yesterday. They are now a 13 1/2 point favorite against BYU in the Big 12 championship game this Saturday. I think that that is one of the few chaos scenarios that we'll talk about later if Texas Tech wins that thing. It's pretty straightforward. The only thing we wonder is where do they get a five seed? Do they actually get into the top four and get a first round buy? Remains to be seen. But I do want to point this out before we move on. I just. I know it was very sleepy and it was off the radar and it was in Oklahoma State and no one cares. It is my proud duty to inform you that Iowa State finishes this season 8 and 4. People in Athens, Georgia saying 8, 4, big deal. People in Columbus, Ohio, gross 8 and 4. Well at Iowa State they have finished above.500 in conference play 10 times in the entire history of the program. Matt Campbell is responsible for eight of those 10. But by all means keep looking elsewhere in your coaching search as you guys seem to have it all figured out. The G5 AAC championship game, North Texas minus two and a half against Tulane. It's Friday night. The Sun Belt jmu, the Fighting Prezzes as we call them around here, they're a 21 and a half point favorite against Troy. And look, if either one of those winners from the AAC is likely going to the playoff, JMU may very well go to the playoff. And we are headed for chaos. We are headed for some really difficult conversations when it comes to G5 inclusion in the playoff. Don't worry, I'll be here. The mic will be on and we'll charge it up and we'll be ready. I'm ready to remind you that as of tomorrow, 30 days in November. Yeah, as of tomorrow, it'll be December. This year we're going to have Christmas in December. I'm told It'll be the 25th. That's right, Jesse. Yeah, Christmas gonna be on the 25th this year. And leading up to that, you have about three or so weeks to hit the Pate State store and get loaded up on the Tis the Season collection. All the Christmas merch is over there. Tis the season to be chuggy. I saw one of those in person last night at Jordan Harris Stadium. The Merry Christmas, you filthy casual. It aggravates me a little bit that that was not my design, but it is flying off the shelves. So all's well that ends well. Pay stamp material.com is where you can get it. Now, I know a lot of you missed the Black Friday sale. Actually, judging by our numbers, most of you didn't miss it. If you did, I have it on good authority that tomorrow is Cyber Monday. So I have breaking news. This is worth a pop of a paper. If you feel like saving 25% off anything in the entire store that can happen to you. Starting right now, like right this second, the team is hitting go on this through tomorrow. So about the next, what, 36 hours or so, maybe a little bit less than that. Cyber Monday, 25% off store wide. We just slash it. We just slide. Bradley's revenue share won't be quite as big, but we're slashing it. There you go. Moving on. This is going to be a tough. It's going to be a tough segment and a lot of you will not be personally affected by this. But Arkansas has a head coach. That's the good news. It may end right there. Ryan Silverfield, the Memphis head coach, has taken the Arkansas job. That is official as of today. Now, it is my opinion that this was a cluster of a search. It was tough though, because Arkansas was not in the pole position. So they were. They didn't have the luxury of LSU where as soon as they walk in the room, everyone shuts up and waits for them to make their move so that then they can make their movement. That was not Arkansas. Arkansas was. Was over in the on deck circle and they had to wait. And I mean, they thought they had Alex Goelish and then Golish said no and he took the Auburn job. And I really stung them because I think they thought they had him locked up. But the Arkansas search, if it taught us one thing, it taught us that never say it's done until it's done. Well, it's done now. Ryan Silverfield is the head coach here. I think you have to be thankful that someone was willing to take the job. I'm not saying that sarcastically. I really do mean that. The desirability of this job was really called into question during this search. There are a couple of reasons for that. I'll talk about them in just a second. Thankful, though, is not how I would describe Arkansas fans right now. I told you. Oh, you can be thankful. You don't have to be thankful. There was a small but very spirited protest there in the greater Fayetteville area today. I'm told it was mostly peaceful. Some of the participants DM'd us. Mostly peaceful protest. But that says it all. That says it all. I don't really know why you have to hide your identity by putting a paper bag over your head because everyone feels the same way. It says it on that poster board there. God save Arkansas and that's really your only hope right now. God has to intervene, busy though he may be, and say, I'm going to bless Arkansas. And boy, is it needed. It's needed really, really bad. I hate it for him. This is an extremely passionate, extremely engaged fan base. I've always loved going up there. It's hard to go up there right now to go to a game because we try and go to the biggest games in the country and they haven't been in that in quite a while. But if you, man, if you, if you give Arkansas a winner, they'll really be all in the default position here for me is that I'm very skeptical this is going to work out. Not because I don't believe in Ryan Silverfield per se. This is nothing against him. Yuri look like Mike Norvell at Florida State, ironically, also came from Memphis. Like, I've got nothing against Mike Norvell, but it hasn't really been working out for him there. I'M not doing that thing where I'm saying, oh, if you get a guy from Memphis, it's not going to work. It just so happens both of these guys are from Memphis. But Ryan Silverfield, where's he going? If he's going to a place that's all in, everything's lined up, he just has to knock over the first domino. Well, then it just comes down to whether he's a good enough football coach at Arkansas. It's regrettably, unfortunately, about a lot more than just that right now. So you've got the desirability of the hire. How good is he? And the reality was you were never going to get what you deemed to be a grand slam hire, because if there was a grand slam out there, one of several other better openings would have taken him. So you had to roll the dice a little bit. And they did. And so the desirability was probably always going to be in a state of uncertainty. But the second part, the commitment level of the program, that's what everyone was talking about behind the scenes. Like, I've never been up for the Arkansas job, probably never will. I know people who have been. And that was the talk. And the talk is it was put this way by someone who would know if you got to say the word if three or four times when it comes to how you win at Arkansas or anywhere else, it's probably not a great place to be right now. So that's a good news, bad news. The good news is the ifs exist, which means the possibility is there, if the ifs are met in the affirmative, that you can be a big winner. Here's what that sounds like. If the proper resources are in place and if you get the Tysons and the JB Hunts and the Walmart of the world on board, therefore, if we can open that recruiting pipeline to Dallas, then we can win. Well, here's the problem with that. If I go there as the head coach, I don't control what the big mega donor bases up there do with their money. I can try to convince them what to do with their money, but it doesn't matter how many brands you have to flex in your backyard. If they're not able to be leveraged by you, it doesn't really matter. It just so happens there's big industry in your backyard. Like, who cares if they're not all in on Arkansas football? That's what I feel about the Ryan Silverfield hire. I would have felt that way about Goal Ish. If he went up there, I'd feel that way about anyone. I'd love to be proven wrong on that, but man at Utah, Georgia, lsu, Missouri, Tennessee, at Auburn, at Texas, at A and M at Vandy. They play all those games next year. By the way, I should have told you I was reading Arkansas's 2026 schedule. They go to Utah and out of conference play and got Georgia, lsu, Missouri, Tennessee, Auburn, Texas A and M and Vandy in conference play. I wish him luck. I have never met Ryan Silverfield. I've met a lot of people at Arkansas. I know how bad they want a winner. I hope everyone around there wants a needs to win. I hope you need to win because you are very, very much behind the eight ball. And here's the trick that you have to get past when you're trying to convince big money donors, big corporations, to contribute to your overall nil efforts. But they're not really wise to college football. The new world of college football. Here's the catch 22. Even if you get them to spend money, that's not the end of the line. That's not the win. The win is to get them to keep spending money or keep investing money. But here's the problem. When they spend it the first time and you don't immediately win, they ask, well, we're paying more money. Why aren't we winning more? Well, the dirty secret, simple math, actually. But it's tough to tell a donor. This is you're not paying me $5 million to win more games. Your $5 million and everyone else's money collectively just went to match everyone else who's also raising that money. We're, we got to pay a baseline just to remain competitive. But the problem is back in the day, you didn't have to pay that much money to win. So everyone thinks, well, since I'm paying more now than I used to, we should be winning more now than we used to. That's the challenge right there. I don't care if it's an individual donor or a corporation. These are businesses and business people and they want return on investment. And there is a dynamic in place right now that like, you got to explain to them that's not the way it works per se, without saying that's not the way it works. Because then they just take their money and go elsewhere. They're watching us in St. Simon's Island, Georgia, Mexico City, Mexico, Fort Lauderdale, Florida. Well, I don't know if it's bad news or good news, but I've got news. The AP poll has dropped at the conclusion of the Regular season and I got a lot of comments about this. I'm pretty upset about it. I've also got a mind boggling statistic. I have it right here. I'm not even gonna wait until the end. Courtesy of Pate State Investigates, we have exclusively uncovered damning information about the AP poll. Did you know that as of today, 12 of the preseason AP top 25 teams have finished unranked? 12, almost half of the preseason AP poll top 25 teams finished unranked. Penn State, Clemson, LSU, Arizona State, Illinois. The list is too long. I'm not going to read it all. You can see it if you're watching and if you're listening, you get the gist. Wow. Just wow. Couldn't be me. I don't have an AP vote. Here we go. Missouri has checked in at number 25. I think that could be significant, but I don't know how. But it could be Georgia Tech's 24. Navy, Arizona, Tulane. All right, so North Texas and JMU are 20th and 19th. A lot of the AP really looks the same as the College Football Playoff rankings, except with the G5 teams. We have learned that the committee does not rank the same way. Don't know why, but the committee's been much lower on those teams. So at the very end of the year, do we see them sort of pull alongside? Do we see them come into agreement rather with the ap? That's important because of the auto bid process for the high highest ranked five conference champs. And that's a very, very tangled web that we'll talk about in just a little while. Michigan is at number 18 after the loss to Ohio State didn't drop a whole lot. USC is 17, beat UCLA. Top 20 finish for Lincoln Riley. I'm told the program is in disarray. I don't know that I would describe it that way. Maybe just not good enough yet. Virginia 16, Utah 15. This is where it gets interesting. So Texas is 14. Is that where the committee will have them? I think it'll be pretty close. Realistically, Texas needs to be in the top 10 to make the playoff. Bottom line, Vandy is at 13. Why is that interesting? Well, just because they blew out Tennessee yesterday in Neyland and they were 12th when they did it and they dropped to 13th. Now I could sit here and rail against this and I feel like it. A logical person listening to it could say, okay, man, you sound very performative and hysterical right now because in order for you to be mad at where Vandy's ranked, you got to tell me who Ahead of them should drop, I'll tell you, most of them, but they're not going to. But here's my point. If I took that. Let's see, where's one? If I took that Michigan logo and I put it over Vandy's resume, do you think Michigan would be 13th at 10 and 2? Because I don't. I personally don't think that. Not just that, imagine Michigan having beaten the teams Vandy has beaten and their losses are to the teams Vandy lost to. I just think they'd be ranked higher. So yeah, I mean, that's not the. They're not the first smaller, normally non competitive program to have to deal with this and overcome it. They're just the latest. But it's a shame because Vandy's sitting at 10 and 2 and I never ever thought that we'd see an SEC team finish 10 and 2 and be left out. And it just so happens to be Vandy. And it'd be one thing if it were Alabama because Alabama is normally in the race. So if they missed out last year, rightfully, and they're right back in it, Vandy misses out this year, there's no guarantee they'll be right back in it. So that's a shame. Miami is 12, Brigham Young is 11. Is that the order they're in? Does Miami jump Vanderbilt in the College Football Playoff committee rankings? We have to wait another 36 hours to find that out. Alabama's number 10. Okay, I have to assume that's where the committee will have them. That's where they had them last week. As we go into SEC championship week, I have very strong opinions on this. I'll save it for later in the show and later in the week. I am telling you, I saw the prediction metrics out there. Obviously if Alabama beats Georgia, they're in. They probably have a top four seed in a first round by. If Alabama loses Saturday, they're not leaving them out. And I don't think the playoff committee will leave them out because I don't think they can leave them out because I think the SEC would just burn the whole thing to the ground. I'm not even sure what I mean by that. But you'll notice the SEC has not said a word. Everybody's been floating this scenario. Bama, by the way, although they're ranked behind Georgia, Bama is technically the number one seed in the sec. That's why they'll have the home jersey Saturday. Like by the SEC standings, they are the one seed. You're telling me in a 12 team playoff. We're on the precipice of the SEC's one seed missing the playoff entirely because of the results of a conference championship game. I do not buy that. That's a Rubicon they're willing to cross. I don't buy that. So we'll see if the committee agrees. Notre Dame is nine. Oklahoma's eight. A&M dropped four spots to seven. Now, that's obviously important. Five, six, seven and eight. If these were the playoff rankings, those teams stand to have home playoff games. So as it stands right now, and this, if this again, is the playoff committee's opinion, A and M would host a game at Kyle Field in three weeks. It sucks that you lost to Texas. It's really not the worst place in the world to be right now, if you think about it. Ole miss is six, Texas Tech is five, and then the top four. Pretty predictable. Oregon four, Georgia three, Indiana two, Ohio State, one. I just can't get past that stat, man. 12 of the top 25 preseason teams just finished unranked altogether. Like, it'd be one thing if they just finished lower. They finished unranked altogether. Crazy stuff. Crazy times. Appreciate you guys watching. Got a ton of folks watching. Just check. Check. 51% of you are unsubscribed to the channel. It's free. I'm pointing down, but I'm not really pointing anything. It's just like, on your screen. It'll be below the video. Just click subscribe and then do it on your mom's phone, too. She'll appreciate it. If she doesn't immediately, she will in time. The Penn State coaching search continues. Everyone else has hired a coach. Ole Miss didn't even know their job was open until today. They already filled theirs. I mean, I. I don't really know where we are. I really don't know where we are. I will. I will tell you this. This search feels lost. It has for a while. It feels lost to me. I say that with some hesitance because you just never know. Pat Kraft could be duping everyone and he could have a home run grand slam like, turn the world on its ears, mystery candidate, and he's going to unveil it. And everyone, including me, has to say, wow, big apologies to Pat Kraft. I don't think that's where we are, but maybe that's where we are. So what we need to do is we need to step back for just a second, and we need to acknowledge the latest reporting and the latest rumor and intel that we've gotten. We Think they're meeting with Kalani Sitaki, who is the head coach at Brigham Young. This has been pretty widely reported in Penn State circles. So if you're following Penn State, this is not news to you. If you're not following Penn State, that probably came out of left field a little bit. I have no clue how advanced their talks had been with him. I have no idea if he'd be a fit. He's never lived anywhere close to that portion of the country. He's never recruited over there. It could be oil and water. It could be a great fit. I have no idea. I don't even know how interested he is. I am pretty sure he would want to coach in the Big 12 championship game this week. The whole purpose of firing James Franklin when they did was to get a head start on the coaching search market. Well, everyone else is come in behind them and filled their spots before Penn State has so fail on that part. And also if you end up firing James Franklin early in the season only to wait for a guy to coach in the conference championship game, therefore missing the national signing day window, you also screwed yourself. So it's well documented. I thought it was dumb to fire James Franklin. It's well documented. Many Penn State fans disagreed with me, which is fine. Here we are. Now, by the way, you just have the added caveat. You made Virginia Tech one of the big winners in this whole ordeal. Because not only did Virginia Tech massively upgrade their situation, they hired your former head coach who was in the national semifinal less than 12 calendar months ago with no scandal since then that could explain his firing. And they got a head start on recruiting and they're going to poach your players and they're going to poach your support staff and they're good to go. They're ready for national signing day or they're getting ready for it this Wednesday. You have no clue who your head coach is going to be. So the question to me is not what the prediction markets say, by the way. We got to learn this lesson, guys. You got to learn to stop using prediction markets as gospel. Prediction markets know absolutely nothing about coaching hires. Now look, I have been very successful betting politics for a long time and that's where the prediction markets can tell you something. Like when we're looking at congressional races and it's two weeks leading up and you're, you're like in an R plus 3 district and the Democrat starts to tip up 55, 60, 65%. That's cause there's pretty, pretty rock solid data there's. Very, very reliable polling that's going on that gives you tangible reason to see those markets move. These are coaching searches. There is no tangible information. It's what's being said on Twitter and message boards and then a bunch of people betting it. And relative to the political markets, where there is substantive information and tons of people betting on it, the prediction markets for coaching searches are still very new, which means if I go in and I drop $1,000 on Lincoln Riley to Penn State, I could fundamentally alter that market. I didn't know anything about what I just did. I don't think Lincoln Riley's going to Penn State. I was just having fun with it, and yet I just moved the market. So just be careful. Be very careful. Coaching searches. And this really relates to Penn State, to me right now. Coaching searches remind me a little bit of my days in talk radio. So when I first did radio, I learned about theater of the mind. And theater of the mind was always an important veil to maintain. Theater of the mind. People who grow up now you may not understand. I came around at the very tail end of the FM radio era where, like, if your mom and dad are driving you around in the morning, the local FM DJs, I mean, they're, they're like your best friends, but you've never met them. You've probably never seen them before. You don't know what they look like, you don't know what they're really like, but yet you have a fully developed idea of their Persona in your head. The worst thing you can do is meet them in person. They say don't meet your heroes well, also, don't meet your favorite radio host because it can only disappoint. Because your mind, the theater of the mind, it builds up an image far greater than what the reality is going to be if you meet the guy on the street corner. Coaching searches are sometimes like that. In your coaching search, if you're a Penn State fan, you like to believe there's a grand master plan and there's just a very, very cerebral, diligent, intentional approach being taken. There are all these folks who are beating down the door to get the job. And sometimes that's the case, sometimes it's not the case, but the illusion is maintained. And then other times it's not the case and the illusion is not maintained. And we are firmly in the third category with Penn State right now. So I really, even as of today, November 30th, I have no idea where they're going to go. I said last week some of the guidance we were getting on it was of all the jobs that were open, everyone knew Florida was going to get filled Sunday. Auburn was going to get filled Sunday. They were even fairly confident Arkansas was going to get filled Sunday. LSU was absolutely going to get filled Sunday. The one they kept coming back to me and saying they didn't know about was Penn State. I don't, we really don't know if Penn State is going to be filled Sunday. And I was like, how? National signing day is Wednesday. And they were like, we know, but we don't know. And I still don't know Wednesday assigning day. The class is falling apart. I don't, I don't know. I'm not here to, I'm not here to question whether athletic directors are qualified for their job. 95% of what they do is behind the scenes. But this seems like it's been a mess. The way to salvage it is prove everyone wrong and hire a great head coach. And I hope they do because I love the Penn State program. That's why I dress the way I do. It's one of the reasons I dress the way I do. But right now, it's tough for me to see it. Candidly, however, what I can see is that tomorrow fanduel goes live in Missouri, the state of Missouri. One more day and you join the fanduel family. Now, if any of you out there are citizens of Missouri and fans of money, I have very good news for you. I'm going to give you some for free. Well, FanDuel is. I'm just letting you know pre register today, like right now. Do it before tomorrow and then bet $5 on anything. I don't care if it loses. 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Josh Pate
I saved this for the end of the show because I really don't know how to feel about a lot of this. The College Football Playoff rankings will come out Tuesday, and that's the last batch of rankings we get before Selection Sunday. And there are three scenarios that just keep burning a hole in my heart as to whether any of them unfold and how chaotic it really could be. And I wrote them down and the first one is very simple. Big 12 championship game what if Brigham Young beats T beats Texas tech? They're a 13 and a half point dog, so maybe they won't. But what if Brigham Young beats Texas Tech Saturday? It's going to be early game 11am local kick, so you'll know early in the day. Do they both get in the playoff? I would say almost absolutely. You know, Brigham Young would be in. They're the Big 12 champ and Texas Tech's not going to fall out. I don't think so. They would both be in. So who gets knocked out in this scenario? Who gets knocked out? Could be Alabama, could be Oklahoma, could be Ole Miss, which I'm about to talk about in a second because I don't think it's fully dawned on people that that's possible. Could be Notre Dame, which is viewed like a sacrilegious Notre Dame. It's their birthright to be in this year's playoff. No, it's not. They're likely in. They're not a slam dunk in because of things like this. So I could see a world where Texas Tech runs it up on Brigham Young and they remove themselves from the equation. I could see that it's tough to see Brigham Young beating Texas Tech, but I could see it happening. At that point, they're both in. And the question of who gets knocked out. I mentioned those four teams Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Ole Miss, Alabama, the Alabama part, I already went over this. It is a non starter for me. If Bama's 10th or higher going into Saturday, they are in that playoff. I think Fowler said it properly last night. Ironically, I think Nick Saban said it poorly when he said, I think it's going to take two wins for Bama to get in.
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Where did you coach up until five minutes ago? Fowler said last night after the game. This win probably secures Alabama spot in the playoff. Yeah, because it secures them a spot in the SEC Championship game as a 10th ranked or higher participant. So yeah, in a world where they lose and they get dropped, that's also a world where I just think the league office in the SEC burns the whole thing to the ground. And you may ask, well who's going to go in instead of who are they going in over? I don't know. Probably someone who didn't play for the SEC championship would be my guess. What about the ACC doomsday scenario? I just talked about it in the Sarah McLaughlin special, but it bears repeating. I've had more people ask about this than any other possible doomsday chaos scenario that the playoff has to offer because many people are just now realizing that they didn't have it right. Like most people are not glued to this stuff like we are. So most people were not aware up until five seconds ago that the ACC is not guaranteed a spot in the playoff. Most people just thought the power four conference champs are guaranteed a spot and then one G5 team gets a spot. No, that's not the way it's written. That's just the way it was going to work out 99% of the time. The way it's written is the five highest ranked conference champs get the five auto bids and then you have seven at larges. So people looked at that and rightfully thought, okay, well out of the five highest ranked conference champs, certainly the power four will be amongst the five and then enter 2025 where the ACC has no idea how to structure itself. They're not the only ones. And Duke can go seven and five and still make the conference title game and win it. They're two and a half point dogs. Guys. This is not out of the realm of possibility. And if Duke wins that thing because they're in the game via a five way tie, if they win that thing, they're not going to get one of the auto bids like the American. I don't care who it is. It could be Tulane or North Texas. The winner of that conference title game will definitely be ranked higher than Duke. So they'll get one of the auto bid spots that's available and then the other one is almost certainly going to go to James Madison because they're going to be ranked way higher than Duke. So if Duke wins that thing and JMU wins as a 211 1/2 point favorite. The ACC champ is not going to be in the playoff. Which means the only other question is, are they going to put Miami in and iron? I was talking to some folks last night. Ironically, that could be the best thing for Miami if it's really, really like nip and tuck. If the committee really does take Miami's win over Pitt yesterday and bake it into the pie and figure out that Miami and Notre Dame's resumes are right there now and they need one more thing to bump it over, I think that one thing could be staring into the abyss on selection Sunday, realizing, oh, Duke won the acc. We're not putting them in. If we don't put Miami in this playoff, we're about to tell a Power 4 conference no, you're out. Are they willing to do that? I don't know. Cause we're only two years into this thing. We're going to find out. Well, we may find out. Or Virginia could win it and make it a moot point. We'll see. But just imagine that. By the way, whether it be that scenario or whether it be the Bama scenario. The Bama scenario would probably be worse because I want you to imagine the SEC watching their league's number one seed, which is Alabama league standings. I'm not talking about rankings right now. Imagine Greg Sankey sitting in Birmingham at the league office watching his number one seed play a conference title game, which is a reward that they earn the right to play in. They lose, the committee drops them out so that the committee can put in two G5 teams and maybe two teams from the Big 12. Torch in one hand, pitchfork in the other, burn it down. That would be the only protocol for the SEC at that point. Speaking of the sec, we do have the small matter of the Ole Miss disaster scenario to discuss amongst ourselves here. They're number three in total offense. That's a good thing. Their offensive staff just got gutted as Lane Kiffin left town. That's a bad thing. No Lane Kiffin, no Charlie Weiss Jr. There. A lot of the other guys are gone. How's the committee going to view this now? I need to stop right now. I need to tell you I hate what I'm about to say. I'm not a fan of this. I don't like that. This is protocol. I'll go all the way back to 2023 with Florida State when I got accused of flip flopping. People still get mad at me on the Internet for this stuff. Jordan Travis went down and it fundamentally changed who Florida State was. But I went on the show and said, I don't care. Injuries are a part of football. I don't care what the committee thinks. The impact on Florida State's roster is because the teams that deserve to be there should be in the playoff. And then Bill Hancock came out right before Selection Sunday and said, most deserving is not in our lexicon. Those were his exact words. So then I went on subsequent shows and I said, all right, well, that's dumb. But if that's the way the committee's viewing it, then, no, Florida State doesn't belong in. Alabama should be in, because Alabama's a better team at that point, I think, than Florida State. And it doesn't matter all of a sudden whether you've earned something or whether you deserve something, because the committee says their protocol is, we just choose the best teams now. So that was where I had to ignore my own emotion and acknowledge the committee's criteria back then. Well, fast forward two years, we may have that on our hands again. The committee's criteria says, just like if you lose a key player to injury, it may impact their view of your team, if you lose a coach or coaches, it may impact their view of your team. I just want to warn you guys, there is a world come Tuesday night where, according to their criteria, hate it, though I might. You have to acknowledge that Ole Miss is not as good a team when several key pieces of their coaching staff are gone and you have to deduct them because of that. I'm not advocating for it. I hate that that's part of their criteria. But remove my emotion and just acknowledge the criteria and you understand, yeah, there's a world where you may rightfully bump Ole Miss down. How far down? They were seventh last week. How far down would you bump them? And if we get in the situation where there's a logjam of teams, everyone's looking at these other candidates to be left out. Ole Miss is a candidate to be left out. It's in the committee's protocol. I can't do anything about it. I hate it. I would remove it today if I could, but it's in there. And there are a couple of differences in this and the Jordan Travis injury a couple of years ago. So Jordan Travis got hurt and Florida State played a couple of games without him, and they won them, but they were ugly. But there was a little more definitive evidence to us that, okay, yeah, pretty obvious they are a lesser team without him. Now, whether I liked it or not, that was obvious. We're not going to get to see Ole Miss without Lane Kiffin until they play a playoff game, if they are given a playoff game. So that is a surefire chaos scenario. And I don't really know, I don't really know a lot about college football right now. I know I love it. It's very addictive. And I know that the over under for this show tonight was two hours and we got done with it in an hour. 37 minutes, Jesse. So everyone can pass their cash over here. We got a very big week coming up. Very, very big week. It's conference championship week. We've got playoff rankings Tuesday night. We've got a live show in Atlanta this Friday. We'll be up in New York City Thursday morning doing a lot of stuff with espn. We'll be back down here Thursday afternoon to do our show. We got the SEC championship game Saturday. Probably got a pretty big announcement about that coming this week. We got a lot going on and we're about to hit 500,000 subs. Some are saying we may hit it this week. Some are saying that not me, but some. So make sure you do your part. Look down, check and see if you're subscribed. If you are, thank you. Go recruit five friends. If you're not, now's the time. You've been holding out. That's okay. Now's the time. Appreciate it in advance. It doesn't sign you up for anything. There's no catch. There's nothing. It doesn't do anything to you. It just helps us. And the show will be here whether you subscribe or not. But it helps us if you subscribe. Thank you guys so much. Gonna be a loaded week. For director Bradley, for producer Jesse, I'm Josh Pate. Take care. We'll see you back here Tuesday night. Until then, God bless.
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Josh Pate
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