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Shoot. No.
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You and I were just sitting here talking. We figured we just press record. But there's all these things right now on the landscape. There's like A, what do you think about the playoff? B, what do you think about an island portal? C, what do you think about the rules and recruiting and stuff? And we were just kind of talking like it's not just a, B, C, D, E. It's. It's an Alphabet type thing. If you talk about one, you got to talk about the other. So let's just, let's just dive into this. Like your head holistically as the head coach at Ohio State on this stuff is where right now I think it
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Ryan Day
starts with the players. I think that's the first thing that I think about is where are our guys right now in all of this, with all the change, with all the things that are going on, how is it affecting our players? And then from there it goes to the what's best for college football? Not just now, but moving forward. And I think when we start talking about these topics, like you said, you're almost in a silo. But I think that's one of the challenges we have right now in our game, is that we're looking at it that way as opposed to how they all overlap and interact with each other.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
I look at it, this is my favorite thing on the planet. College football is my favorite thing on the planet. I'm the most passionate about it. I love talking about it, I love covering it. You get to coach it. You get to run one of the most high profile, visible organizations in this sport. So, like, there's a lot of joy that comes out of that. But then when you zoom in on it, there's a lot of stuff that doesn't make you happy to talk about. How do you find the balance of man? I get supreme enjoyment out of what I do. But also, I don't love this, this and this right now.
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Ryan Day
I think the easy thing to do is just throw your hands up and just say, well, this is all ridiculous. But it still goes back to the people in the building. It goes back to the, you know, the families of the coaches, of the staff that we have in the building. And then obviously it goes to the players and their families. And so you can't just do that. We have to figure out what it looks like on a day to day basis and then where are we going here at Ohio State. What's the plan for us looking ahead five to 10 years? Because we sort of fall into the trap of just thinking about how do we just get through this season. And because of the world that we live in, we all got to win right now. That's how it goes. But we have to make sure we're looking out ahead to figure out where are we going next.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
Do you ever find yourself, I'm asking you this because I find myself doing this, looking at the state of recruiting right now. There's a ton of money involved, there is a ton of visibility involved for an 18 year old the likes of which we've never seen probably in American society, but especially in college football. And on one hand, like I've listened to you talk about this, you've never taken an anti player making money stance, but you very much taken a pro, hey, can we be a little bit smarter about this for when 10 years down the road, football may not be their main source of revenue anymore? Like, like I talked about this with Dabo last week. He's like, what are we doing to the 30 year old version of the 18 year old that we're recruiting right now? But it's, I'm asking you that to say it's kind of hard to talk about it without a skeptic listening and saying, what do you want to limit their freedoms? You want to limit their earnings potential? And it's never kind of been about that. It's kind of been, let's just be smarter about it.
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Ryan Day
I think college football has never been more exciting. And I think when you look at the amount of money that it's generating, it's, it's great to see coaches, players, you know, getting their share of that. And I think we're all excited about that. You know, I think here at Ohio State, you know what Julian Sain or Kenyatta Jackson or Jeremiah Smith means to this community. You know, it means a lot to a lot of people around here. And so to see them getting compensated for that is, you know, it's great to see, but I think we have to, we have to look at. Okay, what does that mean, you know, when you watch these documentaries about, you know, mankind and how things have changed? Well, this is a major change. And I saw something recently that our young people process more information now than somebody would in the 1700s in a whole lifetime. So what is that doing to our people? What is that doing to our young people? And for this generation, I've had a chance to see it because My son is kind of going through the process. He's at the same age a lot of these guys is that with social media, with everything that's going on, these guys get more attention now they've ever had before. And that's important in today's day and age. When you're on Instagram or Twitter or TikTok, the amount of followers, the amount of people that follow this game because of the excitement, because of how powerful the game is, it's a lot coming at them fast. And so when they post something, there's millions of people that are looking at that. That comes with a price. I think when you look at the amount of money that these guys are getting, which again is exciting for everybody. It's our job as parents, it's our job as coaches, it's our job as mentors to help them recognize what comes with that. Because we have wisdom. Wisdom is intelligence through experience. We've seen different things happen before, but there's a reason why you don't drive until you're 16 years old. I just took my daughter out for a ride. She's 15 and a half. She's not ready to drive on the road. She's 15 and a half. There's a reason why you don't vote until you're 18. There's a reason why you're not allowed to drink alcohol until you're 21. Because their brains aren't developed yet to be able to handle that yet. They're getting all this attention and all this money. Some of them are making more than their teachers, some of them are making more than their coaches. And so when you think about someone's normal trajectory in a profession or a career, it starts as an entry level job and you build up into senior leadership. And later on in your career, you're typically making the most amount of money that you would make. These guys now, some of them, they have to recognize and it's our job to help them as parents and coaches because it's exciting for them. They have an opportunity unlike anything anybody in the country. They are so much further ahead than any American one. They're on scholarship. People forget about that. Most people graduate with debt. Then you add on top the nil opportunities. If this money's invested right with the time value of money, they're going to be ahead of everybody. But the problem is not everybody's thinking about it that way. It's our job as coaches and as teachers and as adults to help them recognize that. Because football is going to be over at some point. And when football's over, they need to figure out the next part of their life. You know, I mentioned this to you before, you know, when I looked at Tom Brady's contract when he was working with Fox. He's making more money now per year than he ever did any one year getting money. And, you know, playing quarterback in the NFL during his long career, made a lot of money. But I think it's like whatever, you know, 37 to some odd million dollars, you look at, you know, the best corner to ever play the game, or, you know, we can argue that. But Deion Sanders, he's still coaching, like, so when, when football's over, when their career is over, like, what's the plan for a lot of them? And so when the trajectory of most careers sort of go like this, some of these guys, you know, their trajectory is going to be they're making all this money now and it's going to come down like this. And my concern is that when football's over, if they haven't made the right decisions, if they haven't invested the money the right way, if they haven't, you know, been, you know, having a perspective, a healthy perspective on everything that's going on, that this is just a vehicle to help them set themselves up for the rest of their life. They're going to be down the road, 40 years old, working 45 hours a week for a job and a pay that they think they're above, and that's going to affect their relationships, it's going to affect their marriages and all those things. So, you know, roundabout way to say, like, we have to really do a great job of recognizing that this is a wonderful opportunity for these people. This is a wonderful opportunity for them to set themselves up for the rest of their lives. We have to make sure it's our obligation to make sure that they do that.
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When you got the job here, like, there's the football piece and you find out, am I equipped to be a head coach purely in terms of football? But I would imagine even then, that's not that long ago, really, in the grand scheme of things. I would imagine even then you could have never known what the future held for the sport. And therefore, how many of these conversations or what portion of your time was going to be dedicated to these conversations. What kind of learning process has it been just for you being in this role and all of a sudden having to be a coach, having to be a, a mentor, having to be a life skills guy, financial decision maker, like all that kind of thing Now.
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Ryan Day
Well, I. I think the first thing for me here is, like, during the whole transition, and then we had Covid and then, you know, nil. The transfer portal, it. It's just been. Every year, there's just a different challenge, and they're going to be major challenges. And I think when you're dealing in an industry that is so competitive and there's so much at stake, you're going to constantly see these massive changes. Things aren't just going to stay the way they are, status quo. And I hope someday we get there with a little bit more structure, a lot more structure. But as of right now, we have to adapt. We have to figure out what's going to happen. Then we have to recognize that the natural order of the world is chaos. The natural order of college football is chaos. And then embrace that and figure out, you know, how to. How to, you know, best adapt for us. But it just goes back to the guys, it goes back to the players. It goes back to that part of it. Because winning allows us an opportunity to continue to have an impact on people's lives. And that's what a coach does. It just depends on what level you're at. But we have to make sure that we have guys in our program that understand the obligation of being a Buckeye, what it means to so many people. And as long as we keep that culture intact and we make sure that everybody understands that when they walk in this building, it's not about them. It's not about how much nil money they make. It's not about their career. It's about being a Buckeye here. Now, if you do things the right way, we have a great blueprint on how that could work out for you. But make no mistake about it, when that blocko is on your chest, you're doing this because of the people that have come before, the people that care about Iowa State.
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This time last year I was here, you guys were coming off a national championship. You still had the string of games against Michigan that hadn't gone your way. Now you've rectified that, not coming off a national championship. The last two games I saw you played, you lost both of those. So describe to me the difference in vibe last spring to this spring, the way things went here.
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Ryan Day
Well, I remember when I first. The first press conference, you know, I said, I understand the expectations and embrace them. You got to win the rivalry game then you got to win every game after that. And, you know, two years, two years, two different contrasts. We didn't win that game won the national championship this year. We won that game. Didn't win the national championship. So it just is a great reminder. Gotta win them all. That's how it goes this off season. You know there was you know a huge influx of freshmen that came in at mid year. We had some transfer guys come in so you know we had to replace Caleb. Sonny was a reclass but you know he was in the class before Arvell, Kaden, McDonald, Carnell, Tate. Those guys were all three year guys. So there was some holes in there that we had to addressing the transfer portal which I think we did a really good job of. But you can't just assume that all these guys understand the culture when they walk in the building. So this off season has been a huge emphasis on that, making sure these guys understand what comes with being a Buckeye.
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Ryan Day
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Ryan Day
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
Really?
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Ryan Day
Auto trader. Buy your car online? Really?
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
Yeah. I ask this a lot, and so I'll ask it of you, too. There is a major difference between a guy you recruited out of Cleveland for three years and intimately became familiar with versus a guy that you got out of the Portal. Now, in a perfect world, the guy you got out of the Portal you once recruited, it's not always the way it works. So, like, when. When you get those guys here, what are some of the early things you're looking for in spring ball? To make sure he's acclimating the way I want him to. And also, what can you do before that in that speed dating sort of thing to make sure he. He is for this place at a place where we openly say it's not for everyone?
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Ryan Day
Yeah. I mean, that has to be part of the onboarding process. And understand that when you walk into building, it's not like everywhere else. And part of that is knowing a little background on them. So when you look at, you know, guys that have come in, you know, you take, you know, Quay and you take James and even Earl. All those guys played with Caleb their freshman year. So Caleb had a little relationship there. You know, Terry Moore came in With Macareri. They worked at Duke together. Cortes Hankton worked with Kyle Parker when he was at lsu. And then we have a couple Ohio guys that came in. And so if there's a common thread there, that we know who they are and we know what we're getting when they get here, but once they get here, they have to earn the respect of the team. And that happens in one place. That happens in the weight room around here. I mean, you want to earn your stripes, then you grade out a champion, you become an iron Buckeye, and that is how you get the respective guys who are already in the program. It's the guys who are in the program that need to make sure that they understand what the culture that they help understand for the young guys and for the new guys in the building, what the culture is, what the expectation is. It's good to have some new guys who come in who give you a little perspective of another program. So how do you compare? What are some things in common that they do? What are some things that are different here? So that's always good too to get. But they have to buy into it really early and. But the number one thing is this can't be about you. Listen, there's a long hallway of guys that we've developed that have gone on to be first rounders and all those things. But the number one goal here is to beat the team up north and to win a national championship. You have to understand that and embrace that. And if you do, guess what? You're probably going to be on that
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
wall someday when we get done with spring and I sit down with you as a player and I'm having my post spring evaluation period, I'm going to talk to strength coach, I'm going to talk to position coach. But like when I ultimately have the conversation with you, what does that consist of?
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Ryan Day
Well, we talk about. So everybody meets with their position coach and they meet with Mick and they go through their positives, negatives, things they need to improve and those types of things. And so we kind of go through, you know, what are the things that you see that you've done well, what are the things you got to improve on? And then where do we see this thing going in the summer? What needs to get done for you? And each guy has their own challenges. Each guys are at different points in their career. Some guys, man, like you better get going fast. You're gonna be on that dang scout team again. And if you are, you have to embrace that role. But you're the one in control of that. And here are the things you gotta get done in order to change that. If you don't like where you are in life, you gotta work hard to get that thing done. Or maybe I'm somebody that has come back for a senior year that needs to really do some hard work on how are they leading. It can't just be about you when you're an older guy. And so I have to play at a certain level. And also even in this room right here, I mean, the seniors sit in the front, the juniors, sophomores, freshmen in the back. Every year you're coming down into a different seat, into a different role. Like the guy who just left, that role was Will Howard. This guy who just left, that was Caleb Downs. So you have to take on all that responsibility if you're moving into that seat. So each guy has a different, Some guys are just freshmen. They're just trying to figure out where to go and what they're doing. So each guy has their own story. But it's, it's a little bit of a connection point for me to talk a little bit about where they are, where they need to be.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
When you're covering a team or you're a fan of a team, you read practice reports out of spring, you may watch the spring game or whatever's on TV and you kind of like formulate an opinion of depth chart. And here's what I think about this guy and it's pretty fixed. My mind's not going to change over the summer. I don't see those guys over the summer. But you do to a point. And then you get them back in the fall and you know, the conversations you've had with each individual player and you know which specific parts of their game you know, need to improve, how common is it to get a guy back in the fall and really look at him and say, wow, like that's above and beyond even what I expected to get back in the fall.
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Ryan Day
Well, that's, that's what you're pushing for. That's the vision that you're trying to create when you come out of the spring. And so much of it is what happens in the summer. But that's, that's a really a transformational time. When you get into the season, it's hard to transform. You're sort of there, you can make a move, you can practice better, you can do those things. But when you're in the off season and you're focused on, you know, the weight room and getting stronger and learning the offense, learning the defense and those types of things you can really take big move, you know, big, big steps. And so that, that's kind of what we say. This is kind of the last transformational time that you have. So you got to really own that. And then, and then it becomes about confidence to me, you know, confidence to know what I'm doing and understand what I'm doing better. And then physically have enough confidence, I've gotten this much faster, I've gotten this much stronger. So all those things happen. So how often does that happen? I mean, a decent amount. I think what we do in the weight room is important. I think probably what's more common is the relationships that happen during the summer. So when they come together in June and they come in together in July and they go through preseason camp, that's where the chemistry happens. That's where the glue happens. And so individually, sure, there's definitely, definitely growth. But there's. In the summer, there's a lot of growth that's made throughout the team when
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
a freshman comes in. Most of the time they're early enrollees now, which means they've played their high school season, they've gone through winter conditioning, spring ball, like it's just been football nonstop for a year. Plus they're head swimming cause they're on campus at college for the first time. And there's some different theories out there. I wondered where you landed on the idea out there that freshmen should at least be somewhere two years before all of the transfer portal stuff comes into play. Where do you land on that?
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Ryan Day
Yeah, I feel pretty strong about that. I do. And this goes back to. Okay, here's one conversation that we're just going to have.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
This is one of the Alphabet likes.
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Ryan Day
Yeah, but there's a lot of things that come into play. And so we make these changes is what we do. And then we see the ripple effect in other areas. So there's a lot that needs to be considered when it comes to this. But if you're looking at the player who comes in at mid year now, there's a lot of their season gets done. Like you said, they jump right into spring ball. They have this season. And during that freshman season, typically they're not playing as much as they'd like. They're going through challenges, you know, they're failing. But that's part of being a freshman. You gotta fail, you gotta fail to learn. That's how it works. And so there's all these expectations in recruiting. And then when their freshman year doesn't go exactly the way they want. They get done in December and January and there's no cooling off phase right there. It's just, it's emotional, it's raw. A lot of times the season is still going on. So to me, the ability to say, okay, I'm going to go somewhere for two years, I make a two year commitment. Obviously there are extenuating circumstances, a coaching change or something like that, but that allows them to, okay, I come in, I work in the spring, I go through my freshman year, I go through another spring, I go through my sophomore year. And now I'm in a different place than I would have been before. And I think the mindset of saying I'm somewhere for two years, I'm not going to come up for a year and try to reassess this again. Plus, I just think overall it's good for their overall mental health knowing that I'm somewhere for two years. And I know I have to push through adversity along the way and I got to grow. And for a lot of us that went through that, where you had four years, transferring wasn't an option. You had to figure it out. That's a healthy thing.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
Last year there were a lot of coaching changes mid year. A lot of guys lost their jobs and then coaching searches are going on. It seems like five different things were going on overlapping with the regular season. That was just one of them. And your offensive coordinator was involved in a coaching surge. So I watched Oregon go through this two ways. I watched A&M go through this two ways. You guys go through it. What kind of impact did that have inside the building? Preparation, down the stretch, that sort of thing.
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Ryan Day
We always say nobody cares, so nobody does care. But the truth is that it can be disruptive. And I thought Brian handled that great and it had nothing to do with him. It's just the way that it's set up right now. Which goes back to this conversation that I think we all need to figure out. And that is like, how does this all need to be structured? Not these one off conversations about how many teams in the playoff, when should the season end, when does the portal open? Like all of those need to come together as once and create this, this plan, this structure. But we're just, we're just picking and choosing right now and it makes it hard. I mean, you think about leading up to that game, you know, on signing day, you know, Brian gets named the head coach of South Florida. There was just a lot that went that with that. Oh yeah. And by the way, we have, you know, short yardage and goal line that we're trying to game plan for. I mean, it was just. There was a lot going on, but at the end of the day, nobody cares. You got it, you got to produce. And so, you know, we have to make sure that, you know, we're always looking ahead and trying to figure out how to stay ahead of it and. But, yeah, there's no question when you look at, not just us, just, you know, the way things played out in a lot of different teams this year, you know, there's no other sport that would go through something like this. Right. I mean, you don't see it really in any sport, I guess. You know, when you look at a lot of these teams, once the season's over, you know, okay, now here. Here's where all the change can happen. This is where we put the season to bed. We all agreed that we were going to be on this team for this run. Okay, once that's over, now it's time to go talk about the next year. That's not the way it's set up.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
Right now you've got Arthur Smith and Matt Patricia here. So a pair of former NFL head coaches as your coordinators, which is a pretty unique dynamic. I want to know when you are looking to fill a role, coordinator, wide receiver, coach, whatever, what are some of the specific staff traits that have to be exhibited for a guy to get on the staff? And without naming names, like, what are some instances where you thought you may be down the road on hiring a guy, but then red flag here, red X there. Nope, thanks, but no thanks.
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Ryan Day
Yeah, it's one of the things that people ask all the time, what have you learned year after year? And you got to make sure you make the right hires and you got to be thorough with them. And I think for us, we're very fortunate in the fact that we have two coordinators who, you know, former NFL head coach. Former NFL head coach. And that's important because we talk a lot about our development here. And when you come into our building, I mean, you're going to be coached like you're in the NFL. The expectations are the same way, schematically. Just your approach. And these guys have that experience. And then you add on top of that the staff, and it's my job as the head coaches, surround these guys with the best. The best strength coach in America, you know, the best position coach in America, the best coordinators. You start going with the best nutritionist, you know, and if they're not the best, then we got to take a hard look at that, figure that out, because that is the expectation. And just like, you know, for me, every year, gotta take a hard look at what do I need to do to make sure I'm the best in the country. And so I challenge our guys with that every day. But that really is the mindset that, you know, we want to get the best. And, you know, during the recruiting process of staff, it's very similar to players, is that you have to embrace what Ohio State is and what comes with this place. And, you know, it's been great to see someone like Matt Patricia come in and just really embrace the culture, embrace the fan base. You're seeing his personality come out. And Arthur Smith is doing the same thing. You know, he's really worked hard on building relationships right from when he walked in the building with the staff and then with the players.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
Whether it's a player or a coach that could be an addition here in the past, what are some of the instances or examples where you realize or they realize or you mutually realize that place is not for me. What would that look like, theoretically?
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Ryan Day
Well, I mean, just go through the process, and there's. Sometimes there's, you know, philosophical differences. Sometimes, you know, they're, you know, part of it you have to. You have to trust your gut on. People can do a good job with interviews. They can have a good resume. But. But you have to do a good job of following through with the people that have worked with them before, or maybe you have connections with them before you've seen how they work. You spend more time with these guys during the season than you do with your family. I mean, you're with them all the time. They have to be aligned with how we want to do things here. During the process, being very, very clear about what the expectations are and what comes with it, you know, is part of the process. And like you said, there's just a lot of times where you go through that process, you're like, this isn't a fit. There's nothing wrong with that. There's other places where they can go on and have success. And it's the same thing with maybe somebody leaving. You know, like, they come into the program, and for whatever reason, it's just not working, and then there's another opportunity for them somewhere else. But we try to make sure that we align those things on a front end so we can have guys stay for a long time. Because I think stability is one of the things that separated us. You know, families, recruits come in, they want to Go to a place where they know there's stability there with the position coaches and obviously with the head coach.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
You said a second ago, I expect the same thing out of myself. I'm asking myself when I come out of a season, or I'm asking myself every day, like, what parts of me do I need to improve? How do you quantify that? Like, how do you decide this is an area of Ryan Day, of me, head coach at Ohio State, or just the man I gotta get better in?
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Ryan Day
Yeah, well, I think the first thing is surrounding everybody with the best. Like when they walk in that door to when they leave, do they have the best around them? That's the job of the head coach. You've got to surround them with the best. And then making sure that the communication, the expectations are clear every day. When somebody walks in a building and driving that culture every day. And to me, that's what it comes down to. And making sure that the communication is clear on the vision and giving everybody really clear directives and then letting people go do their job and then hold them accountable.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
When you come out of a season and go into a season, like, from the outsider's perspective, there's always a thing people are saying they got to run the ball better, they got to defend the pass better. Like, they're just two or three sentences that roll off the tongue that describes a team. You don't obviously view your team that way, but is there, like a specific thing or the thing or two that you've chosen to disproportionately drill on coming out of last year, coming into this year?
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Ryan Day
Yeah, I think it's a good question because there's so much that goes into it, and you have to rebuild your foundation every season. It's not like you can just go and, you know, pick up from where you left off. There's a lot of pieces that we gotta, you know, replace this year. And so, you know, that starts in the off season. But to me, it's about the leadership and it's about everybody coming together as a group. I think that that's gonna be the most important thing this year. When you look at our schedule and the teams that we play, I mean, these games are going to go down to the fourth quarter. And so we got to be strong in the fourth quarter. We got to stick together. We're going to have adversity along the way. And if and when that happens and we work through the season, by the time you get to the playoffs, I mean, we will be playoff ready. But that schedule is going to be a bear, and so we're going to need to make sure that we're strong together as a group.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
I know someday, you know, 100 years down the road, your career will be done. You'll be able to look back on it in totality. Right now, you're right in the middle of it.
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Ryan Day
I have.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
I have no idea of how much longer you'll coach. Maybe you do, maybe you don't, but, like, you're in it right now. Do you ever view, like, your coaching progression in chapters? Like, I'll. I'll look at my career, so to speak, and I'll think, all right, once upon a time, it was this, and then for a little while, I was there, and now I feel like I'm kind of in this season. Here's how I would describe myself right now. Do you view yourself in that way at all?
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Ryan Day
I don't know. I think to me, like, every year, like, the focus to win every game and go as hard as you possibly can. So to start taking a step back and looking at all that, to me, you know, is not something I've done. It's go, go, go, go, go and win every game. Start with the opener, we got to go to Texas, and, like, that's the focus. And then putting this recruiting class together and making sure that we're set up now. I do think the conversations on where are we going in the next three to five years at Ohio State and everything like that are part of these conversations. You can't just live year to year, so I totally get that part of it. But, like, that has to be the mindset, because it's too competitive. There's too much at stake in every single game. And so to me, like, that. That is it right there. And then at some point, you come up for air, but every year you learn. And I look at pictures of even where I was, you know, three to five years ago, I'm. I'm much different than I was back then. Just because you learn some of your experiences and, you know, had some success, had some failures, but you got to learn from those. You got to grow from those, and that hopefully that experience is going to now pay off, because you've been through this before and communicating that to the players and the staff on what the expectations are and then holding to those expectations. But it all comes down to our identity, man, like, who we are as a team and what we're going to grab onto. And so, you know, we talk about that a lot here, and I think we have the right people in place. But, you know, every year is its own journey. And just because we've had success in the past, it means nothing. You know, winning is not just something that's preordained around here. We gotta grind for everything that we get. And so I think a big part of our recruiting is bringing in the same type of people that have the same mindset. Though when you walk into this place, like you're coming, I've said it before, you're coming to be a first or second round draft pick. Not every, we know, not everybody's going to be that way. But it's the mindset. When you're a coach, you're coming here to win the rivalry game and win national championships. That's the expectation. So it's easy to say. But take Arthur Smith, for example, or Matt Patricia, like they've never won a national championship before. Like when you're in the, when you're in the NFL, winning 10 games is a great year. And you win a couple games in the playoffs, that's great. Well, that's not good enough around here. We got to win them all. And so that mindset is something that is important that everybody has to understand. And as the head coach, I have to make sure that everybody in the building embraces that, doesn't just say it.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
I remember last year we sat down after we were done, you were talking about preparation methods, and at the time you had just won a national title. So then the only negative left to focus on was the Michigan thing. And I remember you saying to me, look, the preparation, it's not that we don't take the thing serious enough. Of course we're taking it serious. But we got to look at different ways to synchronize our preparation. And the way we treat the lead up to that versus the way we treat every other game. We're playing at plenty high enough level in every other game. And so then you fast forward several months down the road. You play the game, you win the game, and afterwards, I've heard you talk a few times, but I'd like you to go a little more in depth on it, on just subtle changes that you made to the lead up and the way you handled preparation for that game, that still respected it for what it was as a rivalry, but also ensured that you played at the highest level you could.
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Ryan Day
Well, again, it starts day one at recruiting when you walk in this building, what number one goal is. And so everybody understands that, and that's clear from the jump. But what you have to do is you got to look at it and figure out like what, what is going wrong here? I mean, what, what is it? Especially the one two years ago, 20 point favorites and lose. It's like everything that could go wrong went wrong with a really good team and you just, you know, you just got to bang your head against the wall trying to figure it out. And to me, one of the things that, you know, we would put so much into it from our off season to, you know, I can't even tell you what we would do. And I think the game itself, you have Thanksgiving, you have, you know, for us on Sunday night, the band used to come in and do their deal. We would get in the bus and drive up there. Why? Because that's what they've always done here. And I just said, well, we have to keep this more like a normal week and make it normal. And if we continue to build every week, then we'll be ready for that game at the end of the season because the guys know how important it is. You can hear it when they talk. So, you know, we did the band thing during the bye week. We flew up instead of drove up. You know, we just tried to keep everything consistent the best we could. And I think it allowed the guys to focus on the game more and not as much about all the other things that come with it. Because if we can master what we do on a week to week basis and be really, really good at, you know, doing our job and preparing and practicing at a high, high level and then performing on Saturday, that's ultimately what it comes down to. We know the emotion's going to be there. We know what comes with that game. We know how much it means to everybody. But sometimes when you spend so much on it, and it's been a couple years, three years, four years where it's not going well, there can be so much on it that you almost become paralyzed when things don't go well. And we didn't want that to happen. And I thought it was a good example of that is, you know, we threw the pick early in the game and then we came right back and just kept playing. It didn't, it didn't affect us like maybe it had in the past.
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Ryan Day
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Ryan Day
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
I remember a couple of years ago, it still stands out to me vividly. I was here, and everyone in this building, you included, talked about, all right, we've got an expanded playoff, which means we're going to have to potentially play more games. It could be the longest season anybody in this building has ever had to go through. And we got to make sure we peak at the. The right time. You got to make sure we're able to play our best football at the right time. And you did. Even. Even in the process of losing that game, you ultimately did. You won a national title. Then you come into this year, you just mentioned the schedule. You got to play. What is the balance of trying to make sure we're structuring stuff where we peak at the right time? However, if we peak at the right time, but we've got three losses en route to it, we may not even get the chance to peak at the right time. How do you structure basically the preparation, like the calendar, the. The lead up to the season, the way you practice during the season, how much of that has to come into play?
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Ryan Day
It's a great question. I mean, I think there are probably some clubs in the NFL that, you know, they're, you know, they're getting started in September, they find their identity in October, and then they turn it on in November, December. You can't do that in college football. It doesn't work that way. First off, these guys are young players. They needed to continue to develop, and they got a lot of football ahead of them. And you can't afford to lose games now, now more than you could before, but still, the margin of error is just like, really, really close. So that's the first thing. I think the second thing is, though, like, how are you getting better week after week after week? And that's the job of the coaches to figure out what are the things our guys do well. And for them to understand that it is a long season and that, you know, it's these series of sprints that we have to win each game and stay focused on each game, but knowing that each week we've got to improve. You know, I use it like the iPhone. You know, the iPhone. What's your iPhone now? Like the 15 or something?
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
Like a 19?
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Ryan Day
I don't know. Right, 19.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
It's recent.
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Ryan Day
The 11 doesn't even work anymore. Right? It doesn't work. The 5 certainly doesn't work. Like, each week you've got to continue to upgrade, and with that, with your body, with your Mind with your soul. And that's part of it. Because what you put on film the week before, yeah, there's certain things you're gonna do, but there's also things that teams, they're gonna scheme up and that you have to be a step ahead. And so, you know, over other days where you can just kind of run the same things over and over again. Now, that being said, what's your identity? Because you have to have an identity. And I think that's where, you know, the best coaches can allow their guys to play fast, play simple with their identity and win the game in the fourth quarter. And I think that that to me is something that is going to really challenge us this year. We've been in games in the past where, you know, the third quarter and the fourth quarter have been three and four score games. It's not going to be the case this year. You know, we're going to have to win the game in the fourth quarter this season. And you know, part of that is running the football and stopping the run when it matters the most in the fourth quarter. But then also it's going to be winning in a two minute drill. And so I think that's going to allow us to learn a lot about ourselves and then be ready to make that playoff run late in the season.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
I mean, everybody tries to quantify draft attrition, guys that you lost and what they did last year. And I mean, I don't know what the formula is for that. We can try as hard as we can, but then you've got the whole leadership aspect as well, which is really non quantifiable but yet you know that you gotta, you gotta backfill that or else you'll have a really talented team that doesn't have any leadership. And it just, it goes inexplicably 9 and 3 or 8 and 4, but there's no like microwave process to that either. And so as you go through spring and it's the weight room, it's on the field, it's, it's in the meeting room. It's like all of that stuff. How do you start to see that manifest itself without you trying to like force it to happen?
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Ryan Day
Well, it happens in the weight room for sure. And how we design our off season and all that, because we force guys into the roles and guys gotta have the courage to step up and speak up. I mean, just setting a standard is not leading. It's just doing your job really, really well and setting an example, that's fine. But you're not taking anybody with you. You gotta take people with you. How do you take people with you? By inspiring, by challenging, by demanding, you know, and each opportunity is different. If I'm in the field, we don't have time to have a conversation. I gotta bark at you or, you know, we need to get this thing done. We need to get this thing done. You gotta take control. But there's also times where you gotta connect with these guys. You gotta put your arm around them and you gotta show them the way. And it all comes down to who you are in terms of your character, your connection with other people, and then the competency to do your job. And so if we focus on those things, then we can get guys in the leadership role. And it's something that, you know, we spend an inordinate amount of time on. We have our leadership committee. We have a whole plan on how we try to implement this during the off season, and we're counting on that to make a difference. In the end, you and I are talking.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
I mean, we are fresh off of me, looking at my phone, and there are headlines. Your son, who's been going through the recruiting process, he commits. And I've also been places this spring where I'm talking to head coaches who had you in their buildings on visits, and they interacted with you. But as a recruiting process, what did you learn throughout that whole thing? Like, what exposure did that give you to other places and other staffs that maybe otherwise you never would have seen?
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Ryan Day
Well, I think the first thing is I owed it to my son to try to make it as normal as possible, even though that's not really the case. You know, it hasn't been normal for him from the jump, but he's obsessed. And so I wanted to make sure that I did everything I could and I didn't want. My position has affected a lot of things in his life. I wanted this to try to not affect this a ton. And I give the coaches a lot of credit from the different places that I visited. Just, they have sons, and I think that there's, you know, they understand what that means, and I think if it was their son, they'd want the same thing. And so we tried to do the best we could to keep it as professional, and I'm really excited for him. I think he found a great spot. I think they have a great staff there, and it's exciting for him to go, you know, find that next journey. But going through the process has really opened up my eyes to a lot of things, and, man, I Can tell you, like, the number one thing is, like, you want to send to a head coach that when he's making decisions, he's making that decision knowing that the number one thing is how they want their son treated. And you know that. But when you actually have a son going through it, it makes you remind you of that, and that's it. And so I think you said you asked the question about what is the number one thing you recognized. I think there's a lot of weight rooms, there's a lot of stadiums, There's a lot of, like, cool facilities. But at the end of the day, it comes down to the people in the building. That's what it comes down to. And who's pouring into your son, who's going to drive them, who works at it, and then the culture that's in the building, it's the people. Something we always knew. Woody said it a long time, you win with people, but that's it. Because, you know, there's nothing that, you know, again, you know, a cold tank or a dining room or anything like that can overcome. When you're sending your son or you're sending, you know, a recruiter or a prospect to a place, it's going to come down to the people.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
I'll get you out of here on this. So it's the time of year where people aren't going to see you a whole lot. They'll see you. Probably Media days is the next time that most people will see you. So you don't have a ton of free time, but relatively speaking, you've got more time that can be free this time of year than normal. What are some of the things you do? Like when you just totally check out, what are some of the things you
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Ryan Day
do outside of football? Yeah, I try to do a little bit of traveling, different places. I try to connect with the family and my wife and then spend time getting away from the game where it just gives you a different perspective. So getting around folks who are, you know, they might be a CEO of a company, not football, but just watching how they do things, I think that helps a lot. You know, even when I'm at home, you know, you watch documentaries on history and different things. It gives you a perspective of how, you know, humankind has changed over time. And we're in this world of change, you know, that that's happening at a rapid pace. And, you know, we just kind of live in here where you get tunnel vision of just the Woody and the players and the coaches. It is good to step away A little bit and get around your family, make sure that you're investing in that obviously. But then also just people who are also high achievers who share some of the same things. I'm not a huge golfer, but I had an opportunity to play golf with some really high end people and just listen to how they go about building their staves and some of their visions and some of their day to day practices. But it's even that question you just asked me. I asked them what are some things that are important to you? And I won't give names, but one of them was like, I have white space on my calendar, which means there's just an hour during the day where there's nothing on there. And it allows me to be in my thoughts and think about what's best. And when I leave that, I kind of take a step away and I have a better perspective on the rest of the day and just things like that. And very, very high, highly competitive, intense jobs like this one is so you can do your job better.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
Do you ever. Like, there's a. There's a place in Nashville, it's out in the middle of nowhere. It's south of town, it's next to a major rail line. I love just sitting there, watching the trains go by, watching the deer. It's out in the middle of the wilderness and you can just sit there in silence and think. Do you have. Well, we live. We're in the middle of a major city here, so it's a little bit different. But like when your mind just wanders, when you white space it for a little while, where's your mind going?
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Ryan Day
So I get in the car and just turn off the radio and put my phone aside and then just whatever comes to your mind, whatever God's putting on your thoughts like, and just it goes. And it's interesting when you're just kind of with your thoughts, where it goes. We're always on our phones and I see young people on their phones all the time. I just want to say, put your phone down and just think for a second. Stop and think. But I try to do that in the car as many times as I can.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
You saw that microplastics documentary.
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Ryan Day
I like, I like the different documentaries, man. There's. There's a lot going on out there. And yeah, I watched the one of the Dinosaurs. I watched the one on the Five Families and the Mafia, which I was mentioning you before.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
Great recommendation.
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Ryan Day
Well, yeah, but how they adapted over time from prohibition to all the way to now. And yeah, there's all kinds of stuff going on out there. But it is good sometimes to just, you know, turn your brain off and watch something for about an hour and then then go back and make a bunch of recruiting calls.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
Yeah, leave Euphoria alone. Don't even mess with season three. It's not worth it. Just take it from me. Ryan Day, we appreciate it, man.
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Ryan Day
You got it, brother.
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Podcast Interviewer / Sports Journalist
Thank you.
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Ryan Day
Yeah.
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Podcast Host
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