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No. The Wells Fargo Active Cash credit card. Visit Wells Fargo.com ActiveCash Terms apply. It was a little late in the game. Bradley couldn't get to it. I was going to have him just remake the graphic to call it the Cole Kublick Memorial show, even though he's still alive tonight. Our buddy stricken with kidney stones on day one of his Disney World visit. Suspicious because of the timing, not because of the ailment. I'll talk about it later. Anyway, we're jam packed. We're high at top of glistening downtown Nashville, Tennessee. Phenomenal sunset going down as we speak. We don't have the sunroof open so we can't see it. But what I can see on this Sunday night, March 22nd, the year of our Lord 2026, is very clear. And what I see very clearly are the best jobs in college football. Best head coaching jobs in college football. And this list has changed because otherwise I wouldn't do it every year. We took like a year of it off but man, like I got a team at number five right now. I'm going to do this in just a second that I don't think I had top 10 two years ago. So, man, things have changed. I almost put a bunch of teams in the top 10 that weren't in there 10 years ago or even a year ago. Spring intel so we got a fresh batch of whispers and intel from spring practice all over the place. There is a very interesting question in the mailbag tonight about something that's going on in the NCAA tournament, March Madness that has nothing to do with this show because we talk college football. But I'm going to talk about it because I think there's a really, really strong parallel to college football. So that's how we tie it in for SEO purposes per by of course, plural of purpose. Also, the Truth Teller series tonight is going to touch on something near and dear to many hearts and at least that has a place in the college football consciousness and that is college game day itself. The show. We got the Alabama Mood Tracker on the show tonight. I got a ton. We were like abnormally jam packed for middle of March. They're watching us in Orange Beach, Alabama, Constantine, Michigan, Bradley, I told you people in India watch Jakarta, India tuned in tonight and Indiana, but also India tuned in and Santa Monica, California. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Make sure you subscribe to the channel if you haven't already. If you think you are, just double check and make sure that you are because it seems that a number of you believe you are subscribed and you are not. Side note, little programming note this week. Speaker series is back. I'll be on the road. We're flying out tomorrow. Can't tell. I guess I could tell you where. I'm not going to tell you where because of the element of surprise and suspense and intrigue. But it's going to be fun. It will not be cold. And we will be somewhere Tuesday. We will be somewhere Wednesday, and then Perez, God willing, we'll have both of those things turned where you'll see both of those by the end of this week. And so with that in mind, we embark on tonight's show. What are the top head coaching jobs in college football right now? This list used to be static, right? This list used to not change a whole lot. Therefore you'd put out your graphic and then you don't touch this topic again. But now that Nil and the portal have rapidly changed the nature of the sport, it's also changed the stature of head coaching jobs, to me at least. So I asked earlier today, what's the best job in college football? I probably should have been more specific because a lot of people just said my job. You're right about that. But if you can't have my job and you got to be a head coach somewhere and actually be held accountable when you lose instead of just blaming officials and coaches and players like I do, that's why we never lose here, what are the best jobs? I'm going to say I narrowed it down. I really didn't narrow it down because there was like a five way tie for number 10. But here's what I looked at. Obviously this is very, very open to interpretation. I have a post it note on my index finger right now. The four things I care about when classifying how good a job is is resource pool. Fancy words from money Talent acquisition potential. Can you get players to come to your place? That's closely tied with resource pool, administrative support and stability. Is everyone pulling in the same direction there? And isolated edges. This would be like Nike with Oregon. That's an isolated edge. You really don't have that anywhere else. And so with that in mind, let's dive in. I'm going to go 10 to 1. 10 was very, very complicated to me. I put Michigan at number 10 as the number 10 head coaching job in college football right now because the resources are pretty undeniable. The brand is very undeniable. Here's the thing at Michigan, okay, It's been a constant in my life as long as I've been alive and as long as my dad's been alive. So Michigan football has mattered forever. It will matter forever. Administratively. It seemed a little bumpy up there to me. And that's why instead of being number five or number six, I had Michigan down at number 10. But the trade off there is. There's a lot about Michigan that is unique to Michigan, and I'll kind of leave it at that. Like, you could talk about the big house or you could talk about branding, and you could talk about the different academic structure there in relation to a lot of the other powerhouses in the Big Ten. Anyway, I'm putting Michigan at number 10, at number 9. This is one where my mind has been changed. Maybe I always should have known, but I did not. It's Notre Dame. I have Notre Dame as the number nine head coaching job in America currently. Marcus Freeman just cleared my eyesight on this. He defogged the windows. Because in the olden days, AKA like eight years ago, I had become convinced, partly because of Brian Kelly, that there was a ceiling on Notre Dame football, which meant there was a ceiling on how good the job was. And Brian Kelly left. We're going to talk about that later in the show, actually. And Marcus Freeman came in. And then Marcus Freeman, he didn't even break the glass ceiling. He proved it really wasn't there. And because of that, like, if that's all out of the way and I can get players up there just like I used to be able to do, then of course Notre Dame is one of one when it comes to tradition, when it comes to the uniqueness of the branding. And also you have like this disproportionate autonomy over your program because of your independence, which everyone else hates on. But that's only because they themselves don't have their independence because they sold theirs down the river a long time ago in exchange for joining a conference. And so the head coach at Notre Dame is absolutely a top 10 job in college football. Probably always was. It just took me a little while to catch up. All right, number eight. And this one's probably where it gets a little controversial. I'm going to go Alabama at number eight. It's going to be. Alabama is the number eight head coaching job in college football right now. A lot of elite infrastructure there. The residual effect of Nick Saban being there will be felt for years and years and years to come. And the thing about Kalyn DeBoer or anyone who's the head coach thereafter, Nick Saban is unlike some legends that stayed on way too long. Therefore, you paid a price for inheriting the program after them in the form of disproportionately high expectations and a very watered down program. DeBoer got none of that. He inherits the high expectations. But Saban left near the top of his game. Nick Saban's last game was a college football playoff semifinal game. And so the program hadn't sort of started to rot from the inside out or anything like that. And you got really, really good administrative alignment at Alabama. High level resources, an elite brand. And I don't just mean by elite brand, oh, they can market that. Oh, they could sell a lot of merch. All these schools can do that. I mean, elite brand in the sense that every kid you're recruiting right now to come play at Alabama has grown up with that being the premier brand in college football and the number one program in college football for most of their lifetimes. And so it, it matters a whole lot. It moves the needle a whole lot. There are no doubt kids Bama just signed in this last recruiting cycle that are there maybe even at a discount relative to some of the jobs I'm about to list ahead of them because of what that script a meant in their mind. Number seven. This one will be probably even more controversial than number eight, especially for the fans of program number eight. But I put Texas A&M at number seven. A&M being the seventh best head coaching job in America has everything to do with resource pool. It has everything to do with, of course, high level facilities, high level infrastructure. But here's the difference with A and M, and if you doubt me on anything I just said, it's because you hadn't been there. But beyond that, there's a difference in being the head coach at Texas A and M versus being the head coach at Ohio State or Alabama or something like that. You'd have to do a whole lot to become the permanent face of Alabama football. I mean, that's. That's probably not possible. It's probably not possible to take the job at Ohio State and become the forever face of Ohio State because people have achieved at a very high level there. Multiple coaches have won championships at both of those programs. You, if you're Mike Elko right now, or if Mike Elko fails and the next guy comes along, you could end up being the face of Texas A and M football only because of massive amounts of underachievement in previous lives. And now there's this confluence of a rabid fan base, a very hungry fan base, and the nature and structure of the sport coming into perfect alignment with what your unique capabilities are out there. You got a ton of folks with a ton of zeros in their bank accounts that all want the same thing. A national championship at Texas A and M, you get to come in there and you get to inherit that. But you also don't get these totally out of whack expectations. And because that place hasn't, it hasn't filled the trophy case yet, you could be the guy who does that and that would be really appealing. I think it is really appealing to a lot of people. Next up, Oregon. I struggle with where to put Oregon. Here I put Oregon at number six. Number six head coaching job in America. It's built branding in a previous generation that made it 100% equipped to take advantage of this era. So Oregon as a brand, I mean, it started to develop a uniqueness a long time ago. Like even when, even when I had come out of high school, even when I was in college. And then moving on to, eventually Chip Kelly comes in there and then Chip Kelly establishes Oregon. And you've always had the uniqueness in the branding and you've always known Nike association and you've always known the limitless uniform combination. Shout out Kenny Farr. But what you couldn't have known in 2012 that we know now is there was coming a day where you could really, really utilize that Nike affiliation and you could really utilize the money that comes along with Phil Knight being right there on campus with you every day in the form of nil to get players coast to coast come up there. It's not that Oregon ever necessarily hurt to get noticed, but there's a difference in getting noticed and becoming a surefire destination for a kid from Atlanta or Houston or Indianapolis. And now they are. And you would think, man, Eugene, Oregon, that's a long way away. Well, it's going to be really, really tough to win recruiting battles head to head over Miami or head to head over Alabama. Well, it is hard, but they do it. They do it with regularity in some cases going into the backyards of those schools to do it. So Dan Lanning kind of came along at a perfect time because the job he has was always like a top 15 job. But this is a bonafide top 10 job now. And you 1000% leverage Nike and you don't apologize for it because your disadvantage is there are no players in your state. So anyone in like Georgia or Ohio or Florida that wants to hate on Oregon, oh, that's just Nike at work. Oh, really? You mean they have a unique advantage baked in that they get to take advantage of? Your advantage is all the players are in your backyard. You could throw a rock out your window and hit a top 10 recruiting class. They can't say that at Oregon. So, like, all due respect, if I'm an Oregon fan, I couldn't care less. I would wear it as a badge of honor that. Yeah, I got Nike. Yeah. I on this phone right here have Phil Knight's number in it. Not me personally, but a guy I know who's the head coach at Oregon. So, yeah, I put organ at number six. Paper flips over. Here is where my list has started to look radically different. I put Miami at number five. I'm going to get a lot of feedback on this. I've got Miami as the number five head coaching job in America, and here are my reasons. And then I want to ask you if you disagree, why not? So I wouldn't have said this a few years ago, but they are top of the line in resource pool. They don't get outspent for any player. It's never over for them. I mean, just this past cycle, you've got a quarterback in Carson Beck who's gone, and then you don't really have his replacement on your roster. And they go after a couple of guys and it falls through. It's never over. They just go get Darian Mensah. Now, you can like or dislike that. The rules allow that, but whatever. It's not Miami's fault that the sports in the state it's in, they're just taking advantage of it. So you got that, you got warm weather, you got one of the deepest talent pools right there in South Florida that you could possibly have. Great administration, much easier path year over year than you would have if you were in the SEC or the Big Ten. What else do I need to make it a premier job? And also today and moving forward, no one's worried about the question of can Miami do it anymore. Now, if I wanted the job and I'm made of the right stuff, I wouldn't have cared about that to begin with. But Mario's come in there and they've erased all of the doubts out there. Nationally, no one doubts whether Miami can get to the top of the mountain again. They just play for a national title like five minutes ago. So you get all. Y' all got all the good with Miami, and any of the inadequacies have largely been erased. And truth be told, the unique advantages that Miami are now perfectly aligned with what you're allowed to do in college football. Yeah, Miami is absolutely a top five job to me now. And I wouldn't have said it was a top 10 job. A few years ago, I put Georgia at number four you're kind of splitting hairs when you get to this point. I got Georgia as the number four head coaching job in America right now. High level everything. Athens is an elite college town. That kind of comes down to personal preference. Like you may love big cities, in which case you would think USC is a better job than Georgia. Well, if you love the college town aspect of being a college football head coach, it doesn't get much better than Athens, Georgia. There's talent everywhere around you. So you got a great town. And then, oh, by the way, Atlanta is like 30 miles down the road, so we can go get players out of one of the richest talent beds in America. And I think over the last 10 years, the culture around Georgia has really found itself. And that's directly attributed to Kirby Smart. Kirby Smart, a decade ago, came there and just kind of let folks know good enough is not enough. And that worked inside the halls of the football program over time. And they've won multiple championships because of that. And they are 1A or number one in terms of program rankings in the SEC. However, it didn't stop there. The fan base kind of accepted that challenge as well. The donor class kind of accepted that challenge as well. And I think it's been reflected in everything from the classes that they're able to sign to game day atmosphere. It's just an incredible place. So I'd put Georgia at number four.
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I got LSU at number three. Any one of these top three can be one. I put LSU as the number three head coaching job in college football. The resources, as we've just been emphatically reminded, are at an elite level. The investment, the all in attitude, as at a never before seen elite level. I would say at its best, LSU is unlike any place in college football. And I don't just mean Tiger Stadium, Death Valley on a Saturday night, although I am including that. I just mean the vibe. I mean the feel, I mean the culture. The culture that the homegrown players in Louisiana specifically come from make it feel different when LSU is good than any place in America. And I don't know how to quantify that. I don't really know how to put it into words. I just know, you know, when you turn on vintage LSU teams, the core of those teams are going to be Louisiana high school products. And if you look at the vibe, if you look at what emanates off of those teams, if you look at how that product on your TV screen or there on the field compares to the way other teams from around the country carry themselves, there's something different about Louisiana football players now. It doesn't matter if you don't have your act together, they'll just go somewhere else and play. We've seen that several times. However, if you're the right guy, maybe I'm talking about Lane Kiffin here. Maybe if Lane Kiffin's the right guy and it gives kids from Louisiana the reason they're looking for to go play for the home state school, I don't think I need to tell anyone who's watched college football for any length of time what it looks like when LSU's rolling. So there is no doubt that everything is there for you to do that. I'd say the same thing about Texas. I put Texas at number two. Texas, the number two head coaching job in college football. No one can match the resource pool. And if you really believe the name of the game is having players, then you can get any player you want in America at Texas right now. And if you can't get that player, then there are a lot of players out there. So his backup, the number two option on the board will probably be close to or just as good as that guy. You'll go get him. Or hey, maybe it's Hollywood Smothers and Relique Brown at running back. You just go get them both, you know, cause you're Texas and stuff. Iconic brand. The support mechanisms are unique here. Support mechanisms meaning yeah, there's a ton of money. But also Steve Sarkeesian at any given point has so many people in the Rolodex or the ISARC as he should call his phone if he doesn't already that Austin, Texas and the Texas infrastructure provides him that you'd kind of have to experience it to understand it. But you know, Austin is a massive city that has no pro sports. Everyone always says this about Alabama and Auburn. Oh man, football is so crazy in the state of Alabama. Cause there's no pro sports. That's true. But if you really look at just Austin, not the state of Texas certainly, but just Austin, that is a massive population center. Well over a million people live in Austin, Texas. Make a list of cities in America. A million plus folks. No pro sports. There aren't very many of them, but you got the Texas Longhorns right there in town. And so Austin itself, kind of like Nike with Oregon. Austin itself is a weapon, a unique built in advantage that you get to leverage if you're the head coach at Texas. And then I put Ohio State number one. I got Ohio State as the best job in college football. Everyone and everything is there that you need to win. Everyone and everything is dialed in at a high level. I have watched them win national championships with multiple head coaches in my lifetime. Ohio State does so much of the work for you. That's not to say Ryan Day's job is easy. Quite the opposite. Ryan Day has unique challenges because he's the head coach at Ohio State, but he accepts them gladly because he is handsomely compensated to do that, but also because he understands there is so much legwork, so much that you kind of get to take for granted as the head coach at Ohio State that other guys are working their fingers to the to the bones to be able to accomplish elsewhere. That is the immense infrastructure advantage at Ohio State. There's massive fan base and fan support there. And it's. It's refreshing almost when you're around Ohio State, how unapologetic they are for prioritizing winning football games. You know, the academic crowd doesn't always love that. Portions of the media infrastructure don't always love that. I happen to be not part of that portion of the media infrastructure because I love college football and I love places that are dedicated to winning. Not above all, by the way, but I love places where they are all in committed to winning. It's just a freight train, every car moving the same direction. They don't apologize for it. That's Ohio State. So I got Ohio State as the best job in the country right now. Feel like we did that pretty responsibly. And I'm sure that everyone in the comments will agree. Yeah, absolutely. Happy to have you guys in tonight. Make sure that you are subscribed if you are not already. Can you believe again this year the. The Academy Awards chose to run opposed to U.S. ratings down. And now the first NCAA tournament game tipped off at like five this afternoon. What are we doing? What are they doing? I don't know. I don't know. Everyone's got to learn lessons the hard way. So I'll get to Kublick in a little while. If I don't. Bradley, remind me. I got to fill people in on what happened, but in the meantime, I got to talk about spring Intel. Spring practice is cranking up all over the country and we like to dish the latest whispers and intel that we're getting as we keep our ear to the ground. I want to start in Oklahoma. I am paying attention to a name here. It's not Taylor Wine. Taylor Wine is a guy that I think will be an impact player on the edge for Oklahoma this year. Across from him elsewhere on that Oklahoma front. P.J. adebare. I say his last name very quickly because there's never really been clarification my way as to how to pronounce it. So I kind of call him pj. But he is really important here. And the more you listen to people or you talk yourself to people around Oklahoma, the more you realize, hey man, they're losing guys. Like they're losing some really, really good players. But this is Brent Venables. This is a Brent Venables defense. They got a really, really good talent acquisition infrastructure out there. That this is the kind of place now that can do what Ohio State did last year, which is lose a bunch of production to the draft and kind of seemingly get better now to be tough, to be better than Oklahoma was last year. But when I've started to talk about expectations with Oklahoma this year, I've tried to play it conservatively. Here's what that sounds like. Let's just get a top 20 defense out of Oklahoma. Well, that's a conservative approach, but that's not how they feel. They feel they could be top 10 again. Then you add in, oh, we got John Mater back. Oh, we got Isaac Satagna, but also Trell Harris, Parker Livingstone, which by the way, are a couple of really, really important wide receiver portal additions. I would be interested to see how the depth emerges at wide receiver beyond that. But anyway, you start putting together the formula for Oklahoma football this year and I keep going back to PJ PJA because if he pans out and becomes the pass rush presence that they hope he can be, and with fingers crossed that I think he can be, then they're going to be a really, really hard out again this year. You may remember him, he was in the portal for like 2Ns and then he was out. And that caused a day's worth of freak out on the message boards. But Oklahoma is a team to pay very close attention to. I know that they made the playoff last year and because they couldn't run the ball and because they gave up a big lead at home, people kind of look at them and they dismiss them. Don't dismiss them. Over under at FanDuel. Seven and a half wins again. I think that's low for the second consecutive year. I have already put my money where my mouth is on that particular matter. Virginia Tech James Franklin Country It's Franklin time. Ethan Gruckmeier came with him from Penn State to Blacksburg to presumably take over the QB1 role. Now that's not sorted out Just yet. I mean, they started spring practice a couple of days ago. Grunkmire leading drills. We assumed he would. Now, my question here is kind of the opposite of the way it normally works at the quarterback position. Normally you start spring ball and there's a quarterback battle, then it works itself out. Now, these are not James Franklin's words. What I'm about to say are my words and my words alone. I think the competition has to create itself there, not in practice. I don't mean there isn't competition in practice. I mean, until further notice, I'm just going to assume Gronke Meyer is the starting quarterback there. Again, these are my words, not theirs. And then if Bryce Baker, North Carolina transfer, wants to challenge him, then you'll start to pick up a little bit of that vibe as spring ball goes on and you get a couple of scrimmages under your belt and it'll sound like this, hey, man, this quarterback battle is not quite as decided as we thought it was going to be. Boy, Bryce Baker, third or fourth consecutive day, really, really looked good in seven on seven. And the observation periods we had. You know what those headlines start to feel like when you got a legit quarterback battle on your hands. I just want to see if one forms there. And until further notice, my personal stance is Ethan Gruckmeyer's the guy at Oregon. I feel like we hadn't zoomed in on this wide receiver situation enough at Oregon. We've talked about the wide receiver situation, but thus far, when I have talked about wide receiver at Oregon, it's been, oh, man, they're going to get Evan Stewart back. That's wonderful. Oh, De Cory Moore, man, he's a monster. Yes, yes, true and true. Those are two players. Normally you got more than two on the field. And past those names, Jeremiah McClellan is one that we should be talking about more. They're talking about him a lot out of spring practice up there, but past him. And this is why this could end up being one of the best receiver rooms in the country. Because past those players, Iverson, Hooks, Gatlin, Blair, a couple of potential impact freshmen, they, they really could. If they, if they shake that receiver room and all the little marbles fall into their respective slots, that could be a really, really potent receiver room. Past just a couple of names, the wide receiver room there, and of course the DB room, specifically the cornerback position on the perimeter. No matter if it's offense or defense on the field, Oregon will be tough to match this upcoming year. Now, the follow up to that is of course, as is the case every year, we. We're going to have something to circle here with them. It's offensive line. It's early in spring ball, not a ton of buzz one way or the other on offensive line. That's what we're listening for. Rumor on the street is we'll even head up there later in the spring. That's rumor on the street. We'll see. What about Michigan? Of course. Headlines pretty clear at Michigan. How's Bryce Underwood looking? Well, they made him an offensive team captain, so there's that. That's. That's some healthy intel. It's not privileged. It's kind of public. Everyone knows about it. Look at his wide receiver core. All right, so Andrew Marsh is there. Yes. But also Jamie French, former Texas player, is there. J.J. buchanan is there. It's a new offense. So. So he's two systems in two years talking about Underwood. The world was expected of him the moment he got on campus. And so that's something to keep an eye on. Again, it's kind of early, but the other thing that I'm watching with Michigan is linebacker. I trust Trey Bowles. Beyond him. I am very interested to see how that whole room shakes out. Because when you think about a Kyle Whittingham team and just Michigan football in general, I mean, that's a position room that just stands out. Usually it's not one with a giant negative, a red minus sign next to it, which is not what I'm saying it is. See, a question mark is not negative or positive. It's a question. And they got a little bit of a portal infusion in that room. So interested to see how that turns out. But the general scope of things, the general vibe of things that I have around Michigan is this is not a place that has to wait to win. This is not a place that you get your new head coach in there. Let's get a nice solid eight win campaign under our belt. Maybe nine if we're lucky. Maybe the way it works out. But it doesn't have to work out that way. Michigan could win the Big Ten this year. Michigan can make the playoff this year with or without winning the Big Ten. They could. They could go six and six, too. I'm just saying that the ceiling on this thing doesn't have to be nine wins because they got plenty good enough players up there. What about Arizona State? They got two wide receivers out of the portal. Portal, portal. I'm going to say this again because you may want to clip this later, Perez. Arizona State got a couple of receivers out of the portal. Reed Harris, Omarion Miller. Those guys came from Boston College in Colorado respectively. It would not surprise me by Halloween if we're looking at that combo as sort of setting the pace in the Big 12 as a wide receiver duo. They could be really, really good. Now outside of just the receiver duo there, we're looking at the quarterback battle. Cutter Bowley out of Kentucky, Mikey Keane's there out of Michigan. I know you got to go through your flashcards, your portal quarterback transfer flashcards and they're running in that order so far. Cutter Bowley until, until I see otherwise, I'm going to assume he wins that job. Sounds like size and length are something that, well, everyone focuses on. They focused on it and it's noticeable talking to some people around their practice so far. Circle Martell Hughes at linebacker. That's just a name. It's always fun when we have a Big 12 team in the middle of October and some guy's playing out of his mind and we just randomly pull a clip from March because there are about half a dozen I told you so's per year that are more than erased by the whiffs. We have CDJ Lagway quarterback ranking last year, but still makes me feel good. You know what would make you feel good? A t shirt from patestatematerial.com I guarantee you it would. Someone this morning showed us their little freight, which is Pate State nomenclature for their child wearing some gear from the Pate State store. Like I know when we show the monitor here it's, it's just stuff that full grown normal adults would wear. Man. The, the, the little freights collection. We moved some of those shirts. I wish we actually made them in adult sizes because if you don't think I'd wear one of those one of those little freight shirts, your you don't know me well enough. But yeah, we got something over there for everyone. 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As you may have heard. Now that we're into the show a little bit. I can talk about this. As you may have heard, one of, one of our, one of our loved ones, one of our close, dear friends of the program has fallen now. He's still alive. I think as of 6:30 tonight, he was still alive. Kubelik, first name Cole, went to Disney World and apparently got a kidney stone. Now we have confirmed this through sources close to the situation. In this case, that means his wife, co host of Tuesday Date Night podcast and there were pictures of him in the hospital room. So look, if he was faking it, he went to great lengths to fake it. So we're assuming he's not faking it. He wouldn't do that sort of thing. And let me tell you what we wouldn't do. We would never cast aspersions. I have seen someone get a kidney stone before. My high school baseball coach was Tommy Parks. A lot of folks in the state of Georgia knew him. He's passed away since then. Tommy Parks got a kidney stone in the middle of class one day and hit the floor and had to crawl to the bathroom. Tommy Parks was a full grown. Tommy Parks was a dude. And so when I saw that as a sophomore in high school, I said, I don't know much about life, but I know I don't want one of those. And so we fast forward all these years. So far I haven't had one. Kublik is not knocking on the same wood immunity that I am because Kubelik fell victim to kidney stone. We think just one. We have not confirmed the final tally at Disney World. And the only thing I'm saying is condolences sent. But the other thing I'm saying, and I just want to put this out there and I don't want to make any allegations and I just want it said is I think it's convenient a little bit that this happens in March. You don't see him getting them in November. That's all I'm saying. This is the time of year. It's a dead season. Okay? The, the SEO landscape is pretty barren this time of year. Everything is stealing the headlines from college football and there's a fight out there in the content creator space. There is to make sure that you're still in the headlines. Now our approach is to put out fresh new content, but you could also get a kidney stone. That puts you in the headlines as well. Because I log on Twitter earlier today, it wasn't our show as one of the breaking news headlines. It was Cole Kubelik hit with Kidney stone at Disney hit. Like someone threw it at him. Like there's someone on the loose tossing kidney stones left and right amongst the children at Disney. So when I know more, you'll know more. For some reason, Kubelek doesn't want to return my text right now. Your guess is as good as mine. Let's continue. You know, schedules are public, so we can talk about the following. The following topic without violating any HIPAA laws. We were talking about conference games of the year the other day, and it occurred to me we didn't even look at non conference games and some of these are insane. So I just, I had a question about these and I accumulated like half a dozen of them. You got to start in week two. That's Ohio State at Texas. That's that return trip from last year that we were at. And you know, if you think about that game last year, it foretold a lot, even though it was a week one game, you think about the result. And man, Texas offense struggled today. Yeah, Texas offense struggled a lot last year. Boy, Ohio State's defense replacing all those departing starters, they look nasty today. Yeah, they did all year. So there was a lot that, as it turns out, we could figure out in week one from that game. And I just wonder if it's a repeat this year. Doesn't even have to be the same teams winning or the same themes. I think the kickoff time may be a little later for this one since it's in Austin than it would have been in Columbus last year, but, man, I'm ready. I am ready. I know we only got a short five or six months ahead of us, but I'm ready for that one. I think also that week is Oklahoma at Michigan. So there are a couple of. I mean, these two rivals. You got the Red river, you got the game, and you got all four participants per year from those games sort of playing a little. It's not a round robin, although eventually will be around Robin because everyone will pretty much play everyone. It won't, but you know, you know what I mean. Oklahoma and Michigan last year in Norman was an amazing atmosphere. We were there for it, and we'll see if we can get to this one this year. But this is a massive test for Bryce Underwood, and this one's in Ann Arbor this year. And you've got a new coaching staff and you got a new offensive system. You're in. And it's the first really big spot for Kyle Whittingham as the head coach at Michigan. But you know what else it is It's a real test for Oklahoma's offense because they couldn't run the ball last year and John Matiere's back now, so we got to see at what level is he going to play this year. Can Oklahoma go into someone else's building known for stopping the run, run the ball effectively? How deep and effective does that Oklahoma receiver room really look? Does Brent Venables just trot out an elite defense of his own right out of the gate again? I mean, do they go up there and make 17 points good enough to beat Michigan in their home building? Or Does Michigan hang 30 and all of a sudden make say, wow, they look better today than they did at any point last year offensively? That's why we play the games. Next up, week one. It feels like I skipped over week one. No, I just kind of listed these in somewhat of an order that I'm looking forward to. Clemson at lsu. No neutral site. No, no, no. No neutral site foolishness here. Clemson is going to play in Death Valley, the one on the road, just like LSU did last year. Consider the variance in potential outcomes in this game, because this could be a roller coaster one way. The only way that wouldn't be a roller coaster actually, is LSU wins a competitive game. LSU favorite by about ten and a half or so. Over at FanDuel right now, I hadn't checked that number in a couple of weeks. I just keep reciting it. But LSU is going to be a comfortable favorite in this game. So if LSU wins this game by a touchdown, kind of not that big a deal. Go ahead. 11 and a half. All right, so LSU 11 and a half point favorite. So if LSU WINS this thing 27 to 20, it's not really a shocking outcome for anyone. Even Clemson fans will look at it and say, yeah, this isn't fun, but you know what? We hung in there. This was a prime spot for us. We'll lick our wounds, we'll come home. It's not a conference game. We'll gear up and we'll go to work. However, there are two other outcomes that I think are really, really wild in variance of reaction. And one of them is an LSU blowout. So if LSU WINS this thing 38 to 10, LSU's off to the races. The hype machine's out of control. Think about what that does for Dabo Swinney and think about what that does for Clemson, because there is not a ton of rope there right now. And if they get blown out in week one and the perception already is maybe the program's Continuing to trend down and down and down. You know, Dabo's whole attitude is. Or I'll show you. Which it should be by the way, but. But his whole attitude is I'll show you. But the thing about it is you say that March or you think that in April or May, but when the games show up, that's when you actually prove it. And if there's a blowout outcome here, favor home team, that's a bad deal for Clemson. But then think about the other side of that coin. What if Clemson goes down there, wins 23:17. What if Clemson pulls an outright upset? Think about the talk around the potential resurrection of the entire Clemson brand and program. And now that could be fool's gold. We know that because LSU kind of fell victim to that last year. So it's not the end all be all. But if Clemson goes down there as a double digit underdog and wins outright, think about what it does for the Clemson hype balloon. And then just the complete out of whack insane headlines around Lane Kiffin and his first go round as the LSU head coach. The one that I'm going to talk to next talk about Next is week 10, so it's a little bit later in the year. I want you to close your eyes for a second. Unless you're driving, of course, when you close your eyes for a second. All right, Bradley, you can go ahead and roll because I want the lower third here for this one. So it's not September anymore, It's not hot outside. Still got your eyes closed. It's cool. There's a crispness in the air. The low was 38 degrees when you woke up this morning. The leaves are changing colors, family is making Thanksgiving plans. You live in South Bend, Indiana, and it's week 10 and Miami comes to town this afternoon. Now that right there is what college football is all about. That is to me greater than the hype around a playoff game. Because Saturdays in the fall are what this sport is all about at its core to me. And the fact that Miami plays at Notre Dame and it's later in the year, old school rivals, classic environment. Like, like the, the energy in that building will be better than any neutral site playoff game or national title game you go to. We witness that every year. That's why college stadiums in the fall are incredible, unmatched. But also just think about the matchup and think about by then us finding out how Notre Dame backfill at running back with love and price gone because I think they'll be really good. But you know what? They got to prove it still. Am I right when I think Notre Dame may have the most underrated receiver room in the country? How Darian Mensah work out? How'd the receiver room behind Malachi Tony at Miami work out? What about, what about defensively? Is Miami able to affect the passer, affect the quarterback nearly to the degree they were a year ago. These are two national championship contenders and they're going to play in week 10. It's every game's an out of conference game for Notre Dame, but this is a huge deal. But you know what? I got a Notre Dame game before that one that's just not going to be on many radars and that is Notre Dame at Brigham Young four weeks earlier. I think because there's a bye week baked in here. Notre Dame at Miami is going to get all the headlines. Notre Dame at BYU is absolutely one of the top out of conference games of the year because it's Notre Dame's seventh straight game to start the year and Brigham Young's going to be sitting there probably ranked top 10. No one will have talked about this game. Everyone and their mother is going to talk about how soft Notre Dame schedule is and how it's a one or a two game season and Brigham Young will not be one of the games they're talking about. It'll probably be Miami and like maybe SMU who comes in there a little bit later. And you got an ultra physical team here. You got an ultra experienced team. Kalanis Itaki could have left there and chose to stay. And the lasting taste in their mouths were two big losses on the biggest stages last year when they got to play Texas Tech and they get Notre Dame in Provo. So everyone can just paper that thing as a gimme w if you want to. I do not personally and I'm looking forward to that one. That one's in week seven. And lastly, and look begrudgingly, I'm going to put a neutral site game on here. I have a morbid curiosity about Auburn, Baylor in week one. This is in Atlanta. Dave Aranda, I firmly believe would have lost his job last year had his athletic director not lost his job first. So it was kind of like I've got all my boxes packed in my office and I've got the for sale sign in my garage ready to put out in my front yard. And then I wake up one morning and my phone's going crazy and it's a bunch of texts saying did you see the news? Be more specific by the way, when Something happens and then I see the news, oh, my boss got fired. There's no one here to fire me and certainly the new guy's not going to do it. This is basically a recap of Baylor Football 2025. So Dave Aranda, who we love Dave Aranda sticks around another year. Now this time last year there were some coaches that got the proverbial professional stay of execution and then they all just proceeded to get fired during the following year. So if Baylor goes down at the hands of Alex Goelish in his first go around the merry go round as the head coach at Auburn, that doesn't set him up for success. It does set Alex Goelish up for success, obviously. But the other thing that I need to remind everyone about is while you're busy making fun of Byron Brown's throwing motion at Auburn, do you know who the starting quarterback is going to be at Baylor? It's DJ Lagway. Now you always thought, hey man, I may see DJ Lagway play a Mercedes Benz stadium one day. You are. It's just not in the SEC championship game as the quarterback of the Florida Gators, it is against Baylor. Hoopst amongst us who have seen that coming. So those are some out of conference games I got circled. Winston's or Winston Salem, North Carolina tuned in. Bandera, Texas and Augusta, Georgia all tuned in. Appreciate you guys so much. Make sure. Hold on, hold on, hold on. All right, there we go. Make sure you subscribe to the channel if you have not already. And you know I never ask for this, but it doesn't hurt if you just click the thumbs up button too. You know, we don't live and die by likes around here. We don't need to be liked. We like to be liked. It's good to be liked. We need to be loved. But we don't need to be liked. But we appreciate it when you click the thumbs up there. So Winston from Oklahoma City, Oklahoma hit me up and said if the SEC misses out on the national title game again, how much longer are we going to label them a Power 2 conference? Winston? It is a power to world for the foreseeable future. And I don't care if the SEC doesn't even make the Final Four this year. That's kind of the way it is now. You don't have to like it. By the sounds of it, Winston, I would guess you don't like it. And newsflash, I don't particularly love it either. But that is the way it is and it's for a million different Reasons, most notably the entire concept of haves and have nots. They are the halves. Even if they don't have a spot in the national title game any given year or any several group of years, they are still one of the two major halves in this sport. Now why. Why are we really asking this? We're probably asking this because we don't like the sec. Winston. That would be my guess. Which is totally fine. A lot of folks don't. But what are we really asking? Bradley, do me a favor. Put the question up again. Just notice the wording here that Winston from Oklahoma City provided us. If they don't make so if the SEC misses out on the national title game again, how much longer are we going to label them a Power two conference? Well, are we asking to bump the SEC down and bump someone else ahead of them as one of the Power 2? Because certainly the ACC and the Big 12 aren't prepared to assume that mantle or Winston. Are you asking for us to remove the SEC from that descriptor? And basically it's just the Big Ten, then gap, then sec, then maybe a gap and then everyone else. So basically the Big Ten is just power one? Is that what we're asking? The entire thinking, I think is kind of lazy. Winston, you are not lazy. You weren't hardworking. People sometimes say lazy things and do lazy things. Lazy people rarely do hard working things. Memo always used to say that. So there is a difference there. I think the mentality is lazy and I stand by that. I stand by that no matter what the circumstances of this particular year are. If you were watching last year, I think it was the morning after the Fiesta Bowl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because this is when I told Compton and Will. I had to. Or Compton and Will are the same person. I told him I had to get to Atlanta for a sports center hit the next morning and to get up hit the next morning. And I just did it from my hotel room. Production lines got crossed. Anyway, it was the morning after Ole Miss got eliminated by Miami and it became clear for the third straight year the SEC wasn't going to have a team in the national title game. And I was doing get up and Greeny asked me, all right, now that Ole Miss is out, it's guaranteed that the SEC is not going to be in the national title game. Does that mean the conference has. I can't remember what the rest of the question is, but I remember saying I wouldn't feel any different about the SEC if Ole Miss had won last night. So it's a one Possession game. It's a close game. You're telling me. Like a couple of bounces of ball in one football game with one team from your conference participating. That's a reflection of your entire league. Of course it's not. But if you want to play that game, Winston, let's walk it through to its illogical conclusion. Let me paint you a scenario, all right? Follow along here. You don't have to close your eyes. We already did that earlier. But just follow along here, Winston. Since making the national title game or winning a national title is the end all be all indicator of the strength of a conference. Let's take Texas. But you could take any team. Let's say Steve Sarkeesian and Texas go undefeated this year. Just scorched earth, wire to wire, 12, 0 regular season. They win the conference, they got a first round by, they go boom, boom, boom, and they win the national championship. What does that mean about the sec? Hold on, hold on. Because I haven't finished the scenario, but so far, based on that logic, what does that say about the sec? They won a national championship, right? Not only did they make the title game, they won it. That means they're back, right? That means Power two conference, right? All right, so the reason I say I'm not done is because here's the rest of the scenario. Texas goes undefeated, they win the national title. No other team in the league is better than 8 and 4. Did the SEC have a good year or a bad year? Because I'd say the SEC had a historically terrible year under that scenario. But according to your logic, it's a phenomenal year because one of their member institutions won the national title, right? So what else matters? Now, this understandably all comes down to personal preference or it comes down to the college football prism you choose to view this world through. Some of you look around and you say, I judge a conference by the top of the conference. And then others of you say, no, I judge a conference by the overall collective depth of the conference. Frankly, I don't really care either way. I tend maybe to lean a little more towards the latter than the former. Like I've got no problem saying, I think the Big Ten is better at the top than the SEC right now. I think if you go 5 through 10, the SEC is probably better in terms of quality in that grouping. So depth wise edge, SEC overall, top of the mountain edge, Big Ten. It's kind of the way I see the sport right now. It's all fluid. But here's what I don't have room for. What I don't have room for Winston, and I appreciate you hitting this up, but what I don't have room for is the third rail there, which is I'm going to judge a conference by unevenly applied criteria because that's really what we're doing there. That's really what we're doing. Because applied to any other conference outside of the Big Ten currently applied to any other conference like, okay, the SEC is missing out on a fourth straight national championship game. Well, who else is filling the bucket now? The ACC recently just had Miami go, but before that, what were we talking about? And for that matter, prior to Miami last year, you take Clemson away from the ACCU throughout the entirety of the 20 teens and what did we have? So I look at it like I just said as figure out what you value. But I'm telling you right now, there's a world where the SEC has a team win the national title this year and the league regresses. That could very well happen. So I choose to look at top to bottom. Well, probably not the bottom, but I look at the top and the middle and I'd say the SEC is a really strong conference right now. While you also grant that at the top they're getting worked by Ohio State or Oregon or Indiana for that matter. No problem admitting all that. I don't know why anyone would have a problem with that because it's kind of super obvious right now.
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We move on. This was a really good question coming up. Not that the others weren't. I love you, Winston. Not that the other questions weren't, but this one got me thinking. A little bit earlier today, Gordon up in Champaign, Illinois hit me and said I got two questions. First off, what's the better product? The College Football Playoff or March Madness? And secondly, could we see a lack of upsets in the NCAA Tournament because of Portland Nil bleed into football? Just a really good two parter got the gears spinning earlier today. All right, first things first. There is no doubt in my mind. Not a moment's hesitation. March Madness is a way better product than the College Football Playoff. Just if we're judging post season products, I didn't say the sport of basketball. I prefer the sport of football or anything like that. The NCAA Tournament in college basketball as a standalone product is unmatched. The College Football Playoff doesn't come close to touching March Madness. Now here's the follow up to that. I hope I never say anything other than that, because if the College Football Playoff ever becomes anything that remotely compares to March Madness and the NCAA Tournament college basketball, that means college football's regular season has gone up in smoke in terms of value. And so I never, I never want to live in a world where the College Football Playoff even comes close to comparing to the NCAA Tournament in basketball. When I mention the two sports, what comes to mind? Or let me, I guess before I answer the second question, I should give you a little bit of the logic there. This again comes down to your. Your worldview, like, what do you enjoy? What do you value? There are a lot of folks out there, there are a lot of college football fans out there who value the playoff first and foremost. A lot of you probably feel that way. I don't happen to feel that way. I didn't grow up that way. I don't feel that way now. I think the regular season is the best part of our sport. The postseason is a thing we do after the best part of our sport. I don't look at pro sports that way. I don't look at the NFL that way. The NFL playoffs and then the super bowl, like those are the pinnacle of the NFL, college basketball. I largely don't watch college basketball during the regular season, but then when the NCAA tournament starts, I'm glued to it. So my view on college football is that it's unique unto any sport in the world and unique unto any sport in the American sporting scene. But what do you think about when I mention the sports, college basketball, college football, and I snap my finger, what's the first thing that comes to mind? I'll tell you. For me, what comes to mind with college basketball is the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament. What comes to mind when I think of college football is a Saturday in the fall. Here's the key difference there. The first weekend of the NCAA tournament lasts 96 hours. Saturdays in the fall go on for 13 weeks. We get like four months of it. So I want to extend whatever the pinnacle of my sport is as long as possible. So that's why I always have preferred the construct of college football. Over college basketball. But the trade off there is that means the postseason product of college basketball is going to be far and away superior to college football. But the second part, do me a favor again Bradley, throw that question up again. The second question here. That's what really got the gears turning. He said could we see lack of upsets in March Madness because of Portland Nil bleed into football? And it already has is the answer. It already has. Jeff Goodman had a tweet the other day. This was I believe prez. This was Saturday morning. Is that what we said? It was Saturday morning. Jeff Goodman does a way way way better job covering college basketball than I even do at watching college basketball. But he said favorites went 160 yesterday. So this is Saturday he's talking about. Friday. Favorites went 160 straight up yesterday. This year's first round had 13 of 32 games decided by 20 plus points. High point was the only true mid major still alive. And it's nil. It's probably the most of any team in a one bit league. I hate to admit it but due to nil and the portal Cinderellas may be dead. Which is not a good thing man cause that's kind of what college basketball is built on. Now college football, we've talked about this theme for a long time. The concept of a Cinderella has been dead and buried in college football. And by that I mean the concept of a G5 team ever even being able to sniff a national championship those days probably never existed. But if they did exist, they are long gone. The Cinderella story in college football is Indiana. That's the Cinderella story. And really what makes that possible is a whole lot of money comes in and then it gets put in the hands of people who know how to spend it, but they also know how to evaluate and develop. So they know to get the right talent and then develop it and put it in the right place once they have the talent. But there are no have nots that are making runs in college football. But relatively speaking the point stands because what he's saying there is in college basketball once upon a time you could out evaluate other programs, other major programs and then you could get guys on campus and you could afford to develop them for a couple of years and then you may get this veteran laden group at a mid major that makes a run in the NCAA tournament. Also basketball is just a different sport for functionally than football and so that stuff could happen. Well what he's saying is nowadays if you do that if Winthrop starts to get a freshman or a freshman turning into A sophomore that starts to really blossom. Michigan State just goes and gets him. And it's not that that never happened in the past, but now it happens all over the place to where you just kind of become a lab for the premier programs in the big conferences. And as a result you don't really see the results in the first couple of rounds of the tournament that you used to. Well, in college football that's happened as well. That's why I always talk about the concept of a G5 playoff on this show. It's not because I want to rip opportunity away from G5 teams, quite the opposite. I wish I could re engineer the sport where the financial structure made it such that the G5 didn't have to long for participation in the in the power four conferences playoff tournament because they need to be subsidized financially. I wish that didn't exist as a problem because if it didn't exist as a problem then we wouldn't have to pretend 138 or whatever teams are playing the same level of sport and we could have tiers of playoff that loosely reflected teams of comparable resources competing against each other. As it stands right now, I'm supposed to believe LSU and UL Monroe are playing the same sport and they're not. But we have to pretend that they are. So in college football, once upon a time you had the Boise States of the World and Chris Peterson at Boise State could go and he could find some players that had no offer from USC or Texas and he could get them on campus and you'd never even heard of some of them and he would develop them and then they become a really, really culture rich, veteran, senior laden team that can theoretically make a run, pull up sets. They didn't have an expanded playoff back then, but if they did, Boise would be one of those teams. Central Florida had a couple of teams like that. That possibility is long gone. That's not happening anymore. The way it works now is those guys as freshmen and eventually sophomores, maybe a junior at those schools become what they were ultimately going to become and then they're just at Texas the next year. Not just the players, the coaches too. We had two G5 teams make the playoff this past year, Tulane and JMU. You know what they had in common? Their head coaches had to go back and forth to coach in the playoff because they had already taken other jobs. So basically, whether you call them a mid major or you call them a G5, what that's become is just a laboratory. It's just like an experimental lab. For LSU to no longer need to roll the dice on offering a kid out of Thibodeau a scholarship who's a three star. You just go play for UL Lafayette and then if he ends up becoming anything, we'll just go get him a couple of years later. And what that does is it completely strips the possibility of any of those vintage Boise esque teams existing in major college football today. Depending on how you view the sport of basketball or football will determine whether you think that's a good or bad thing. Because when, when Jeff made that point about college basketball, some folks like me looked at it and said, that sucks, man, because I really miss the days where I could tune in and I could see a double digit underdog pull an upset, a 13 over a four on Thursday and then 48 hours later on Saturday, they pull another upset. Man, that 13 sees in the sweet 16. That's awesome. And it's not that that couldn't happen, but the percentage chances of it are greatly reduced. But then other people look at it and say, this is not a bad thing at all. We want to see the best teams advancing in the tournament. That's, that's great. That's all well and good, but you see you've cooked yourself. If you've got a playoff that's the size of college basketball. And then you want to make the argument that, well, we also, we also want to load the tournament up on the back end with all the premier brands. Well, that kind of doesn't compute. Like to me, you kind of need one or the other. You kind of need a very, very meaningful regular season where they're going to battle it out. And then there are a finite amount of postseason spots or you need baked into your expanded postseason, the real shot of Cinderella runs. This is one of many reasons I'm against postseason expansion in college football. But the other thing is, it is funny. While we got our own issues over on the college football side of the fence with playoff expansion and you're either for it or you're against it, even the people who are for playoff expansion in college football have to be listening to college basketball, shaking their head in disbelief that these people are talking about expanding that tournament even further. Hey, look, news flash. You may be a fan sitting in Chattanooga, Tennessee who really does want expansion because you just, you want to see more ball. You and I may fundamentally disagree on the concept of scarcity and how it relates to the size that a playoff should be, but whatever, we've disagreed before, we'll disagree again. But I got A news flash for you. Those people don't want expansion for the same reason you want expansion. It's no coincidence that they're all of a sudden shouting about expansion. Now that the construct of the sports, relatively speaking, have worked themselves into such a manner where it's all but impossible that the little guy can make a run, you expand the NCAA tournament, it's just more Big Ten and SEC teams at the table or ACC teams or whatever. And that's why, shockingly, they're all on board with it. Just like in college football. Like, you may think 24 teams is great because your personal college football worldview is that that would be a better thing. You and I disagree on that. But reasonable minds can disagree on that. They don't want expansion for the same reasons you do. So, yeah, I think there's, there's a lot of connective tissue there. That was a really good question. Let's move along. We're already over an hour. I told you we were jam packed. I tried to warn you. Zach hit us up in Muncie, Indiana. He said, what if I told you I'm from the future and came back to tell you Notre Dame's winning at all this season. What would that mean for you and the sport? Well, for me it would just mean, wow, Notre Dame won the national championship. They got close a couple of years ago, now they won one. It would also mean yet another cannot was exposed as a has not. There's a lot of people who have bought into the idea that Notre Dame cannot win a national title in the, you know, modern era of college football, whatever that means. And if they win it, then we would yet again have another one of those dominoes knocked down. The more the better, in my opinion. There's several of them out there right now. I don't want to overlook how rare this is. I don't want to overlook how special what Marcus Freeman has done is. And it especially would be, it would be taken into another galaxy if they won a national title. But just think about where they are. This is way beyond just Notre Dame fans. You could be a Washington fan for all I care. Think about this for a second. Okay, so Notre dame football from 1994 to 2009, they have two 10 win seasons. That's it. That's it. There was a blip under Willingham, there was a blip under Charlie Weiss, but otherwise, like they're not at the head table at all, largely during those years. And then Brian Kelly takes the Notre Dame job and he wins double digit games seven times in 12 years, which is the pinnacle of your program for a long time. Been a long time since Notre Dame had sustained that kind of run. And then he chose to leave. He left voluntarily to take what he described as a better opportunity. So you've got a guy. Perceptionally, I fell for this, by the way. So I'm a victim here. Perception, you've got a guy that's totally maxing out your potential. And then he says, I can't get it done here. I'm going somewhere where I can do there what I can't do here. And by can't, he's not talking about self reflection. He means this place doesn't allow me to do that thing. Now. Since then, we've learned otherwise, but in real time. Think about what the logic tells you there. The logic tells you this guy came here and did things at Notre Dame that no one's done in a long time. And then he chose to leave. He must know a lot more about the situation than you or I. He's telling me there's a ceiling on Notre Dame football. I think there's a ceiling on Notre Dame football. What should logic indicate happens next? Logic indicates steady downward trajectory. And the landscape of college football in the modern era has just passed Notre Dame by. And the exact opposite happened. And there was a dude already in house ready to prove it. His name was Marcus Freeman. His name is Marcus Freeman. And I don't really think there's an appreciation for how special that is because of how much an exception to the general rule of logic it is. And I remember a few people close to the Notre Dame program, Not many of them. A few people close to the Notre Dame program, they shouted this when Brian Kelly left. Brian Driscoll was a guy really, really loud in shouting when Brian Kelly left. Good. Good. I remember this clear as day. We went back and forth on Twitter about it. And he's day to day, man. He's in the weeds with Notre Dame. I'm just watching it from afar and I'm thinking, I think this guy may be too close to the situation. I think he may be too drunk on the Kool Aid there to really understand what's happening. But it was the exact opposite. And what he was shouting was, Brian Kelly has fooled you people into thinking there's this ceiling on the program. No, there was a ceiling on Brian Kelly and Marcus Freeman's the Real Deal. And watch and see, there will be an elevation here. And you will find out there was not a ceiling that you were led to believe is on Notre Dame. And sure enough, it's true. I just had to see it to believe it, I guess. Call me Thomas if you want to, but I'm a believer now. And if he were to win a national title this year, then, I mean, you would have had Michigan in the last few years. You would have had Ohio State in the last few years. Then you just had Indiana. Then you just had Notre Dame. And I would say exclude Ohio State three out of those four. If I hit the rewind button five years, and I told you within the next six or seven years, those three teams are going to win a national title, you would have laughed. You would have said, dude, Michigan can't get out of its own way. There's no way they're going to win a national title. Well, they did. And then surely Indiana, you would have, like, hit restart. You would have pulled out the cartridge, blowing it, put it back in, this thing's acting up. And then if I tell you, Notre Dame, maybe that would have been more believable than Indiana. But, like, think about what the sport will have produced if that were to happen. Hey, think about what it's produced anyway, even if it doesn't happen. For what it's worth, I had Notre Dame ranked number one going into spring. So this, this is halfway done already. Like, they're basically in the championship game. All they got to do is win it. Perception's a funny thing. The perception for a long time about Notre Dame was total bs. I was part of it, so I got exposed on it. But perception is just people. People speak things, people believe things, but people also change things. So people said stuff about Notre Dame, people believed stuff about Notre Dame. And it was as simple as people proving you wrong. People changed perception at Notre Dame. Marcus Freeman's the face of it. It's not just Freeman, but he's the face of it. And he's doing stuff there that his predecessor wasn't doing. That program is just like, emanating a vibe that it wasn't emanating. And that's before they've won a national title. Imagine if they do win a national title. Win total 11 and a half. If they lose a game, the under hits. That's what fanduel is telling you. This is Herman Boone. Remember the Titans preseason? You lose a game, they're not going to fire you. But you lose a game, the under hits. Let's remember the Titans, too. Let's move on. Let us move merrily along. You know, I would move one of these segments to Thursday, but I already Teased it so I can't do that. We've been doing the truth Teller series where we're just randomly picking stuff in college football and telling the truth about it as best we see it. A lot of times it's a player or a coach. I'm going to do college game day tonight. The actual show itself, College game day, which I think is the best thing ESPN has ever done. I'm biased because I'm die hard college football, but college game day is revolutionary. Has been for most of my life, certainly all of my adult life. What college football fan under the age of 45 does not have this hardwired into your mind as synonymous with a college football Saturday? I don't even care if you love the show. Most of you do. The numbers bear out. A lot of you are watching. You may be rage watching, but a lot of you are watching. But even if you're not like in love with the show, if you're 38 years old, if you're 27 years old, if you're 44 years old, if you're 15 years old, how do you even think college football Saturday in your mind and you don't like feel game day or see it or hear game day somewhere on a Saturday morning? Just kind of, kind of laying the foundation for it all. The genius is taken for granted on this show. So I'm not even talking about the commentary. The genius in the concept of the show. You take for granted that it just happens on a campus every Saturday. But think about before they put it on a campus, everything was done in studio. People were just doing shows in studios. It would have been so easy for ESPN to just say, nah, this show's gonna be in a studio forever. For the first few years it was, they just broadcast it from a studio. There was nothing wrong with it. But it wasn't transcendent, life changing programming. It wasn't revolutionary programming. And then they took it to campus because they realized, well, if you go to a college football game, the tailgating scenes half the experience. The pregame is half the experience. That's what makes college football unique. How are we going to have a pregame show and not broadcast it from the epicenter of what people associate pre game college football with? So let's park it on a campus every Saturday. Well, it took off like wildfire for obvious reasons. And if you're at a tailgate on Saturday morning, you're already experiencing that most of America is not at a tailgate. Most of America is on a couch or in bed or at the gym or wherever they are, and they're joining vicariously via a television screen. And then college game day just comes along and takes you there. It's taken for granted. It's an unbelievable concept that would suck if you couldn't execute it. But they execute it. That's what a really big production budget and the right people will do. They execute it. But what they pulled off the last few years is what I think about first and foremost when I think about college game day. Because for my entire life, Lee Corso was the face of college game day. The headgear pick at about 1058 Central or 1158 Eastern on a Saturday morning. That's what's building up. If you've ever been on a campus or ever been in one of those crowds, the excitement starts to build towards this moment. It's like watching the ball drop in Times Square on New Year's Eve. Instead of, you know, a ball hitting zero and then confetti all over the place. It's just a dude putting on a mascot head. I can't imagine how Europeans view that. I can't imagine how the aliens would view it, but it made perfect sense to us, and that became a staple. It was iconic. It was an institution. And then Lee Corso gets up there in years, and for several years, it's inevitable. Like, you know, the end is eventually going to come. And when you have something that large like that synonymous with the brand itself baked in, and there's a personality to go along with it, man, that's a tough baton transition. That's a tough handoff. And then you look right now and the show's better than it's ever been. That's that. That's the other thing that I think is taken for granted. Pat McAfee's been totally transcendent for that show. Nick Saban's edition. You look at that lineup right now, like, that's as good as it gets, man. In broadcasting, that's as good as it gets. But it'd be one thing if they just put that crew together from scratch. You just go pay a lot of folks money and do that. You already had a legacy like institution in place for decades, and then that institution is leaving the show, and somehow the show's enhanced in the aggregate. I don't know how they pulled it off, but they did it. And the irony of it all is I don't get to watch it normally, because the other truth of it is, I'm either normally where they are or I'm at some other game and I'm traveling or I'm in a hotel room on a Saturday morning about to leave. So I don't get to see a whole lot of game day. I get to see clips and stuff. Like, I probably consume game day more on their social feeds than I do just standing there, being able to watch on a TV screen, which is a good thing because it means I'm doing what I love for a living. But what I do get to see that a lot of you guys don't get to see unless you're just there in person, is the logistics operation of college game day. Because a lot of times I'm in town the Friday before a game, most of the time I'm at the game that game day is going to be at. So you'll see the setup happening, or you'll see the setup that's already happened. You'll see the temporary workers. You see what it takes to take that operation on the road, which is an unbelievable undertaking logistically. Here's what's funny. So there have been a couple of times this past year the Brigham Young Texas Tech game comes to mind, where game day is at a game that kicks off at noon Eastern. So anytime that happens, what they'll do is they'll obviously stage the show out in the tailgate area, but then they'll also have a desk in the stadium. Because what they'll do is they will bring the talent inside the stadium for the last few segments. Because if they didn't, it'd be a ghost town out there when they're doing the end of the show because the crowd's all in the stadium because kickoff's happening right when the show goes off the air. Here's what's funny. At the Texas Tech Brigham Young game, I had media obligations right at the end of that game. And since it was a blowout, I left the stadium with preds. What would you say about five, seven minutes to go, we, we left the stadium and we had to walk straight by where the game day setup had been. So these people are like racing against time to tear as much of this set down and get it loaded up and loaded out as they can because they know whatever we don't get done before this game ends, we're going to have to completely hold off on because there is about to be an army of people come back out here. And to watch that happen is like, you know, a life changing, like world catastrophic event is impending. And you're watching people move around with the urgency that you would move around with if those conditions were in place. But yeah, College game day, man. 1 of 1 Unbelievable. You don't have to like everything they do. You don't have to agree with everything they say because no one agrees with everything anyone says. I know what the comments are going to say about that. You don't have to like every personality on there. But as a product, well, I'll tell you, I'll ask you this. Remove it. What takes its place as a product? Nothing takes its place. FanDuel is there for you. FanDuel is now live in Arkansas. Finally. It feels like we've launched nine times in Arkansas, but we really have launched in Arkansas, so we're good to go over there. So if you want to bet that over on Arkansas football, you can legally do it right now over in El Dorado and Little Rock and Bentonville, wherever you live. FanDuel's there. Sign up also close related note NCAA tournament going on. So you got bonus bets that you can cash in over there. You got win totals. You got games of the year. You got all sorts of things. Conference odds, no shortage. If you don't feel like betting or if you don't even know if you should bet, I'm going to tell you, don't bet right now if you don't think you should, or you got questions about it. 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Lastly and then we're going to get out of here. The Mood Tracker series, which is just a reflection of the mood of a particular fan base Continues. We're looking at Alabama tonight. There's no fancy way to say this. It doesn't rhyme. It's not going to really mean anything to you. But the mood I think amongst the Alabama fan base is like cleaning the mirror off. Because until you clean the mirror off, you can't really see. You can't really tell what you look like. And I feel like Alabama fans look at Alabama football that way right now. They're kind of trying to figure out what the program looks like. Like, who are we? What are we? What is our identity as a football program and this year as a football team. They've had patience, man, I don't think anybody needs to be knocking Alabama fans. You remember the old MO when Saban retired was, boy, I wouldn't want to be whoever the next guy is that takes over. Dude. They've had patience. Patience as much as a high level, high achieving programs fan base would have patience. It's not that they're happy when you lose games, but they hadn't freaked out. They're not throwing couches off buildings or anything. They've been pretty measured. But I'll tell you this, in no world can you be the head coach at Alabama or anything at Alabama and be okay with your rushing numbers being in the 120s. That's not okay in the worst of circumstances. You can be in the depths of NCAA probation with scholarship restrictions and you can't be in the 1/ hundreds in total rushing. I went and looked at the four teams that finished ahead of Alabama in total rushing last year. Their records were 4 and 8, 4 and 8, 3 and 9 and 4 and 8 Bama's in the 120s and makes the playoffs somehow against another team that was equally as bad running the ball, by the way. So that's not Alabama football. It never has been. Even when they're bad, that's not Alabama football. So the fan base looks and rightfully says, what is that who we are? Cause we weren't terrible. Running the ball the year before weren't great, but we certainly weren't that bad. We just got rid of an offensive line coach. We're overhauling the entire offensive line. We got a really, really good freshman running back coming in. Are we just going to suck running the ball? Are we going to get this thing fixed? Are we going to ever be dominant defensively again? They were not bad defensively last year, but they were off the pace of being a dominant unit. Are we going to look physically different than the premier teams we play? Are we going to enter seasons and have this be the norm right here on the screen. Bradley has a slider up and it says over under eight and a half. Now to a certain extent that's a reflection of the new landscape of the sec. Like even Texas over under is only nine and a half. Georgia's nine and a half. No one's over ten wins for preseason win total in the SEC because they're playing nine league games plus a really tough out of conference game in most cases. So to a certain extent, yeah, that's a reflection of the league now. But Bama folks are used to their win total being atop the SEC teams at the very least, and it's just not right now. So is that temporary or is that the new norm? We watched Ty Simpson leave and now we've got a quarterback battle on our hands. What is that going to look like here? That all ties back into offensive line play and running game and just overall complementary approach to playing football. What does it look like now? It sounds like you're coming off a six and six six year. When you talk like that, you're not, but you're coming off a year where you made the playoff but your flaws were so terminal you had no shot when you went up against an Indiana, for example, or if you got past them or if you would have gotten Miami instead of them, or if you'd gotten like even Ohio State instead of them, it probably wouldn't have been pretty. So there was a, you know, there's a ceiling on the potential level that Alabama could achieve at last year, but that's one year. The point here with the mood of the fan base is, okay, well moving forward, is that the norm or was that just another step towards getting where Indiana is or getting where Georgia is or where Ohio State is. They're not a long way off. It's not like that. Again, they made the conference title game and made the playoff last year. So there's not freak out. There's no hot seat talk either. I have seen this, and here's the funny part about it. I haven't actually seen anyone talking about it. Like I haven't seen Alabama fans whose identities we can prove exist instead of just like burner accounts on Twitter. I haven't seen anyone talk about hot seat talk with DeBoer. I've seen a billion people ask about what we think about the hot seat talk. It's kind of reminiscent of like if you watched a fire truck with its alarms and its lights on and he just rode around town all day searching for a fire. That's kind of like the hot seat questions with DeBoer. There's no fire. There is no actual hot seat talk. People have been pretty measured about their approach with him. But there is this group of folks out there who want hot seat talk and so they try and manufacture it. So I have seen that. But there is no real hot seat talk. There's a, there's a bunch of, man, we got to do better. You got to figure out how to run the ball. There's that, there's a Grand Canyon between that and fire. This guy, man. Total bum. So going to be interesting year this year. We were doing out of conference games earlier, earlier in the show we were thinking about putting FSU Alabama on there. We didn't. But then again we didn't last year either and we see how that turned out. That's our show. That's it. That's all. Appreciate you guys. We'll be on the road this week. Make sure you're following on the socials oshpatecfb. You'll find out before the general public does. And make sure you're subscribed if you haven't already. Make sure you do that. For director Bradley. Producer Jesse's nowhere to be found today, so we've got like an entire joint venture here in house. Mitch Prez, Bradley, ME Yeah, thanks. Congratulations to us all. Take care. We'll see you Thursday. God bless.
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