← Josh Pate's College Football Show
Josh Pate's College Football Show
Week 13 Reaction Show + Lane Kiffin Rumors & AP Poll vs CFP Rankings
01:29:25
Loading summary
Transcript127 lines
- [00:00]
Podcast Advertiser
This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Did you know Tide has been upgraded to provide an even better clean in cold water. Tide is specifically designed to fight any stain you throw at it, even in cold butter. Yep. Chocolate ice cream. Sure thing. Barbecue sauce. Tide's got you covered. You don't need to use warm water. Additionally, Tide pods let you confidently fight tough stains with new coldzyme technology. Just remember, if it's gotta be clean, it's gotta be tied.
- [00:33]
Matt Rogers
This is Matt Rogers from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
- [00:36]
Bowen Yang
This is Bowen Yang from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
- [00:39]
Matt Rogers
Hey Bowen, it's gift season.
- [00:41]
Josh Pate
Ugh.
- [00:41]
Bowen Yang
Stressing me out. Why are the people I love so hard to shop for?
- [00:45]
Matt Rogers
Probably because they only make boring gift guides that are totally uninspired. Except for the guide we made in.
- [00:52]
Bowen Yang
Partnership with Marshalls where premium gifts meet incredible value.
- [00:55]
Matt Rogers
It's giving gifts with categories like Best Gifts for the mom whose idea of a sensible wa walking shoe is a.
- [01:02]
Bowen Yang
Stiletto or Best Gifts for me that were so thoughtful I really shouldn't have.
- [01:06]
Matt Rogers
Check out the guide on marshalls.com and.
- [01:09]
Bowen Yang
Gift the good stuff at Marshalls.
- [01:12]
Josh Pate
So let me get this straight. Your company has data here, there and everywhere, but your AI can't use the data because it's here, there and everywhere? Seems like something's missing.
- [01:26]
Bowen Yang
Every business has unique data.
- [01:28]
Josh Pate
IBM helps your AI access your data wherever it lives to change how you do business. Let's create Smile to Business IBM.
- [01:55]
Let me get this straight. So we are embarking on a week where we're leading up to last regular season games and the Big Ten looks like it's on a collision course for Ohio State versus Indiana. The SEC could dial up Georgia A&M, Alabama A&M, the Big 12. We're going to probably see a rematch, I would guess, of Texas Tech. Brigham Young. Can the Cougars get him the second time around? All that's happening. And Jesse walks in my office today and tells me that Syracuse versus Boston College has significant implications to who goes to Charlotte for the ACC Championship game. I threw up everywhere. Welcome in. We're jam packed. We're high atop a very suspenseful downtown Nashville, Tennessee on this Sunday, November 23rd, the year of our Lord 2025. Yes, it is rivalry week. Yes it is here. It's also Thanksgiving week and it is coaching search week. And all of that has really, really just kind of fallen into our laps at time the same same time. So sure, on Sunday night we react to everything that we saw I have not slept since 9am Central yesterday. I don't advise it, but that's what happens when you go to Oregon. You just have to give up a day of sleep every now and then to do a jam packed show. And don't think for a second that that's an excuse. Unless I screw up on the show, in which case it is. So we got full reaction to that one. Had a good time in Eugene, Oklahoma, Missouri, exactly what we expected it to be. But we got a lot of takeaways. The Sarah McLachlan special could be one of the ugliest that we've ever done in the history of the show. I've never seen a piece of paper have the stuff written on it that the stuff about that game provided us. I think we all know where we're going. But if you don't stay tuned. I've got a ton on not just Lane Kiffin, some people asking about things I've tweeted today which just boggles my mind. But you know what? I'll address it. I'll tell you where I think that coaching search at Florida is, at LSU is. Ole Miss doesn't have a coaching search. They have like a coaching retention plan that they've put in place. I'll talk about all that. I'll give you the latest on Penn State. I'll give you the latest on Auburn. We'll go through all that. We got the AP poll that's dropped. We'll react to that. We got a jam packed show. They're watching us in Winston Salem, North Carolina. Eagle River, Alaska is tuned in Snellville, Georgia, Orlando, Florida. Look, here's the bottom line. We are about to embark on one of the most memorable weeks in the history of college football because we got rivalry week coming up. Smack dab in the middle of Thanksgiving week. Smack dab in the middle of everyone trying to figure out who their head coach is going to be next year. You got to be subscribed to the channel. Just don't ask why, just subscribe. It's free. It doesn't sign you up for anything. Nothing's going to change. You don't get inundated with spam emails. You just help us out and we're right on the you hear that? We're knocking on the door. 500,000 subs and every subscription we get just basically helps us make sure that we can do the show however we want to. I know you guys look elsewhere like I used to and you look at the college football offerings maybe on traditional television traditional radio. And you're like, this doesn't really appeal to me. Okay, well, now we live in a world where we can just make our own show, like we've done here. And when you subscribe, it just helps us to continue doing that. We're only going to have a Tuesday night show this week, so now I will have my laptop with me and so I'll be on the road. We're going to be down in Columbus, Georgia for Thanksgiving. Looking forward to it. The second news breaks, if I need to record a video on the fly, I'll do it. So it's not like if something happens, I'm going to be on the moon. But our last show for this week will be Tuesday because we're not heathens. Like, we have to celebrate Thanksgiving at some point, but we will be on top of things. All right, let's dive into the show. Oregon 42, USC 27. Quick trip fueled us all the way out to Eugene and we had a good time out there. I'll talk to you about the trip at the tail end of this, however, I would call this a three chow I game. I assume most of you watched it. It was the biggest game of the day yesterday. Austin Stadium in late fall. Just do it. Just make it an appointment destination trip. Many of you, I know it's tough to get out there. I'm not saying do it every other weekend, but make sure you get out there. Unbelievable trip. I'd say the same thing about Washington. Ironically, they go play Washington later this week and it's great up there this time of year. Little chilly, but that's okay. It's great up there this time of year. So this game, 19 penalties for 230 yards.
- [06:30]
And I'm not even claiming that it was overly officiated. However, the modus operandi for the Big Ten this year has been throwing flags as an absolute last resort. Now, the sec, they throw them left and right, man, they do them like when you're practicing to learn how to juggle and they have you throw, you know, little scarfs in the air. That's how SEC officials have been all year. It is glaring when you look at Big Ten officiating profiles versus SEC officiating profiles. This was officiated like an SEC game. So don't be fooled. And I come to you formally as Pac12Pate, telling you, do not be fooled by the Pac12 score here. Calls the winning team won the way you always win in the Big Ten, and that is outrushing your opponent 179 to 52. Stats and info came in earlier today. That breaks down to 4.4 yards per carry, to 1.9 yards per carry. So there's that. Better defensive team one, there's that. But I got to tell you, don't overlook special teams in this game. I thought special teams in many ways was the difference. Joe Lorig and his staff deserve a lot of credit. Now, am I giving him a little favoritism because I stormed the building Friday and had him let me sit in on special teams meetings? Of course I am. But I just got to tell you, I know this is an often overlooked part of games.
- [07:55]
If you believe that it's a third of the game, which everyone says, you know, you got to win all three phases, offense, defense, special teams, then they proceed to never talk about special teams. If you believe that special teams is a third of the game, then there is no game that bears that out better than this one. And I've just got to tell you, without sacrificing, you know, anything and without betraying confidence, I don't think they were surprised with the way special teams played out in this game yesterday because sitting in that team meeting Friday was almost like reading a movie script that you then watched out or play out the next day. Very intentional, very, very detail oriented. And they knew they had a matchup advantage here, candidly. And I think they took advantage of it. And that ends up being the difference in the game because it's 14 to 14 when Malik Benson returns the punt for a touchdown. Then they add another one. I think it's 28, 14 at the half. And at that point USC is just playing catch up the rest of the time. And they were competitive. It's not some blowout game. They're competitive. At the very least, they have the horses on the outside to draw PIs if they can't just complete the passes. But that's the point. It wasn't going to be a blowout game. I mean, Oregon's beat to death, so they don't even have some of their best players. You got to find a way to win. Special teams was, I wouldn't call it the hidden advantage because it was right out there in your face. But I think those guys deserve a ton of credit because they gave themselves a big edge there. So we said Tuesday when we previewed the game, it's a big culture game and you know, that's pretty easy to understand the implication behind. There's. There's one place that used to be the place on the west coast and that's usc. That's the way it was when I was a kid. A lot of people who were on the field yesterday aren't even old enough to have remembered that some of them were not born the last time USC really ran things on the West Coast. But if you were around, if you were of age when Pete Carroll and USC were doing their thing in the mid 2000s, it doesn't seem like that long ago, but really, it was a long time ago. It's been quite a while. If you don't believe me, go watch some of the games and look at the picture. Quality sneaks up on you a little bit. So it's been a little while. There's one place that used to be and then there's another place that is. It's as simple as that. And one place is trying to get back to where the other one currently is. And the dynamic for people who follow recruiting and people who follow talent acquisition has always been it's so wild that a team tucked away in the Pacific Northwest can attract better talent from the west coast than the team in the biggest city on the west coast in Los Angeles. But that's been the case.
- [10:34]
And so yet again, you see two of them on the field and you know it's up to one of them to change your mind. It's up to one of them not only to change the way the other team thinks, it's up to USC to change the way the country thinks. And they didn't do it yesterday. Now you could argue they're getting closer. I think Lincoln Riley's argued that. I'm going to talk about Lincoln in a second because he's taking a lot of heat today. And you know what? I'll save that. I'll talk about it in a second. But part of the whole culture piece of this is it reminded me a lot of Notre Dame last year on the offensive line. Notre Dame on the offensive line last year felt like they lost 37 starters and they just kept trotting an offensive line out there that kept delivering the same result, no matter who the names were on the back of the jerseys, which numbers were on the back of the jerseys. And I just remember thinking to myself, especially second half of the season, wow, it just kind of feels like a Notre Dame offensive line is a Notre Dame offensive line independent of which individuals are out there. And that's kind of the way Oregon played yesterday. Oregon's without Evan Stewart have been for a while. There were without Decorian Moore. They lose Gary Bryant, they got a couple of offensive Linemen out, and yet there's 42 on the board at the end of the day. And you look at it and you just kind of say, this is the ultimate testament to culture by the way you look at it and you say, I guess it really is next man up. Because you wouldn't have been able to tell the difference if I were to just show you the game yesterday. You don't know a whole lot about Oregon. You don't know the particulars. You're not looking at the injury reports or the depth chart. You just say, yep, that's. That's an Oregon offensive day. Yep, that's an Oregon defensive day. Yep, that's. That's a good, solid Oregon ground game. Dude, they're beat to death. The big hope up there is that they'll be able to get themselves some breathing time between this Saturday, hopefully if they win against Washington and the conference championship happens and they're probably not in it, and so they got a first round playoff game, maybe they can get a little bit healthy. That's the hope up there. Because as I said last week, I'm never giving up on a team that has a talent roster like this, especially when they could be the one that gets healthy at the right time. Now, there's. There's an understanding in that building that you can't be thinking way, way down the road like, you got USC coming up, you got Washington coming up. If we don't win those games, it may be a moot point, but they won one of them and now they got the other one this Saturday. They're a six and a half point favorite by the way, against Washington. If they win that one, then, yeah, you got an opportunity. But as for Lincoln Riley, so I know he's taking a ton of heat right now. Everybody's got an opinion on Lincoln Riley. A lot of people are taking swings at him because he just lost another big game on the road and he's had a bad record on the road at usc. Well, that's because they haven't been good enough as a program. But the winning outside in approach that he kind of took when he went there, they tried to course correct last year. And I remember when he went into the winter before last season, they understood big changes were needed in the program. And he had that press conference and I made a big point to say if he's serious about what he's saying. Good, Because I never punted on Lincoln Riley. I know a lot of you have. I've never punted on him. I still think really highly of him. I still think of him as a guy that if he gets his act together as a head coach rather than just an offensive mind, could still be really, really premier in the sport. But he's not yet and he hasn't fully been yet. But that doesn't mean he couldn't be. But what he said last winter, like winter before last, was, we're going to change everything, we're going to rethink everything. And those were just words. So I said, hey, he hired Lynn as the defensive coordinator. He's talked about a top to bottom sort of re approach to the way you run a program. If he's serious about all that, good. Even if he nails it though, it's a couple to maybe three years. Because you're really talking about tearing a lot of stuff philosophically down to the studs and then building it back up, okay, they're better this year than they were last year. Unequivocally better this year than they were last year. Some would call that progress. Other people view it in a vacuum and they just say, hey, you're going to finish 8 and 4 again, maybe 9 and 3. And that means you're not as good as Ohio State, you're not as good as Oregon, you're not going to make the playoff again, failure. And I said, if you're not willing to accept a two to three year window here that it's going to take to rebuild on the fly, I get it. And it's fair because you really shouldn't have to be making those moves several years into your tenure. But if you are going to accept it, then you're going to have to understand there is no snap of the fingers, there is no quick fix there. I would also guess from the outside looking in that if you've got a number one recruiting class or you got a highly ranked recruiting class coming in and you've got some young guys in the program right now, and then you got some veteran guys that are going to draft out or age out of the program. A lot of times what you're dealing with when you're looking at rosters like this is the younger crop of guys is your future. The incoming class is your future. And there's a lot of cosmetic leadership, you know, guys who are leaders by default, in other words. And it's like this layer off the top of the pond that you kind of have to scrape so that what you really want underneath can rise up. And sometimes there's no quick way to do that. And I think they're probably dealing with a little bit of that at usc. All I'm saying is I'm not giving up on him. Like, I still think it can work there. I still think they can win there. I just believe he made the moves three years in that he should have made immediately. But I do understand the hang up. I do understand why he took his defensive staff out there with him. I get the real world business side of how this industry works. So I'm not a USC fan. I'm not a USC donor. So it's easy for me to sit here and say, hey, I'm willing to give you some time. If you are a USC fan donor and you're not willing to give them time, I do understand that you got every right to feel that way. As for the trip itself, like I said, Oregon's amazing. Always. Oregon's especially amazing this time of year. If you're a fall foliage type, highly advise it. I don't even care if you don't like football, just go out there. I always get to Austin Stadium early and march myself up to the roof because this is the view. If you're listening on podcast, I don't know what to tell you. Just imagine a screensaver. But it's real life. That's what it looks like there this time of year. That is a tight end. Allegedly. Ken Yan Siddiq. Don't know many of them who are built like that or who move like that, but that's allegedly a tight end. And it is Sunday when we're doing the show, which is ironic because I think you'll see him play on Sundays for a long time. We went out there on Friday and Lauren Anderson and the folks over at the Warsaw center always have us out there to speak. And I do a wide ranging Q and A with the students there. Oh, it's so great. To the point where I told her when we were leaving there Friday afternoon, maybe we just bring a crew out here and broadcast this. It would be so great. It would be like an hour's worth of really, really captivating content that we could put on the YouTube channel. And then, look, I just want to say I grew up in the south, okay? So for us to go to the west coast and constantly get recognized and constantly have you guys wearing our T shirts and constantly be asking for pictures, I don't care if I do it 500 times on a Saturday, I want to say thank you. And it is never lost on me how significant that is because one of the big indicators that we're growing is you have recognition coast to coast, but also one of the just wild things that have happened over the past 10 years in media is you used to never be able to reach an audience like that unless you had major network distribution at your disposal. And, and now with the advent of things like YouTube, things like podcast networks, people in Portland and Bend and Oregon City and Corvallis and Eugene and everywhere out there, they can listen to us on demand at their leisure and don't even have to be on a network. So we appreciate everyone out there. It was a great trip. Who knows, man? Maybe we'll be back in a few weeks. Where will we go this week, though? Let me pull up my tweet because I always forget to fire this thing off.
- [18:50]
The Fall Don't Lie Tour has to make a stop for Rivalry Week. And you have probably anticipated that we will go to Ann Arbor, but you would be wrong because I've had my eye on this game for a little while and I have known that we're going Thanksgiving in Columbus, and I have known that there is a university that's going to host a fairly significant college football game that Saturday that is, oh, I'd say, 45 minutes to the West. Would the stakes be on the game? Would the implications be on the game that warranted us being there? That was the only question. Well, the game is the Iron Bowl. The university is Auburn. Alabama's headed down there as. And listen to me clearly when I say this, a three and a half point favorite. So, yeah, I'd say the stakes are there. And yes, we will be there. The Fall Don't Lie Tour is headed back to Auburn for the first time in a couple of years. Looking forward to it. I spilled the beans to Kirk Sampson down there a few days ago. As best I can tell, he did not leak the information. And we can always count on Kirk. Just, just zip that mouth tight. It's going to be cold. It's going to be really intense. It's a night kickoff. Oh, buddy. If you, if you don't get a little bit, I don't know, antsy if you, if you lack the, if you don't like the ability to sit still a little bit when Rivalry Week gets here. I don't really know if you're cut out for college football. This is. The playoffs are amazing. Conference championship games are amazing. But what's going to happen in Auburn, Alabama or Ann Arbor, Michigan, Saturday, that's what it's about. That, that is the pinnacle of college football to me, and anything and everything that comes after that kind of comes, like, downstream of that. And I will not apologize.
- [20:42]
Matt Rogers
This is Matt Rogers from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
- [20:46]
Bowen Yang
This is Bowen Yang from Los Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
- [20:49]
Matt Rogers
Hey, Bowen, it's gift season. Ugh.
- [20:51]
Bowen Yang
Stressing me out. Why are all the people I love so hard to shop for like me? Exactly, honey.
- [20:56]
Matt Rogers
I'm easy. But you're right, holiday gifting is stressful.
- [20:59]
Bowen Yang
And all the gift guides out there are boring and uninspired.
- [21:02]
Matt Rogers
Wait, what about the guide we made.
- [21:04]
Bowen Yang
In partnership with Marshalls where premium gifts mean incredible value?
- [21:08]
Matt Rogers
It's Giving Gifts, a series of guides filled with premium gifts at great value for everyone on your list.
- [21:14]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, because if I see one more for the dad who likes golf list, I'm out.
- [21:18]
Commercial Announcer
Right?
- [21:18]
Matt Rogers
How about something for the people who.
- [21:20]
Bowen Yang
Actually surprise you with categories, like best gifts for the mom whose idea of a sensible walking shoe is a stiletto. Psst. She wants a pair of stilettos.
- [21:28]
Matt Rogers
Or best gifts for me that were so thoughtful, I really shouldn't have dying.
- [21:32]
Bowen Yang
To see what those are.
- [21:33]
Matt Rogers
And you won't believe their prices.
- [21:35]
Bowen Yang
Just wait till you see what else is in there. It's basically a one stop shop for everyone.
- [21:38]
Matt Rogers
You know, I started bookmarking half the list for myself.
- [21:41]
Bowen Yang
Honestly, this is the guide for the 2025 holiday gifting season.
- [21:45]
Matt Rogers
Check out the guide on marshalls.com it's giving gifts.
- [21:49]
Bowen Yang
Gift the good stuff at Marshalls.
- [21:52]
Josh Pate
Hello. Hello. I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast smart talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna, and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business?
- [22:08]
IBM Executive
My one advice to them, Pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive. Yeah.
- [22:40]
Josh Pate
Wow.
- [22:40]
IBM Executive
So we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology is getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things.
- [22:58]
Josh Pate
To listen to the full conversation, visit IBM.com smarttalks.
- [23:09]
Commercial Announcer
Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder with a dozen different Apps that don't talk to each other. One for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting. Before you know it, you are drowning in software. Instead of growing your business, this is where Odoo comes in. Odoo is the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all in one fully integrated platform that handles everything CRM, accounting, inventory, E commerce, HR and more. No more app overload, no more juggling logins. Just one seamless system that makes work easier. And the best part? Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. It's built to grow with your business whether you are just starting out or already scaling up. Plus, it's easy to use, customizable and designed to streamline every process so you can focus on what really matters running your business. Thousands of businesses have made the switch, so why not you try Odoo for free@odoo.com that's o d o o.com stay.
- [24:11]
Podcast Advertiser
Cozy, stay home and save big online during Lowe's December deal drops. Because honestly, why go anywhere when the deals come to you? Check this out. Lowe's is going to give you two free select tools from dewalt, Craftsman or Cobalt when you buy a select battery or combo kit. Yep, two tools free. It's basically a holiday miracle. Plus rewards members get free standard shipping all month long. Yet another reason not to leave your couch. Kick back, click around, let the savings roll in. Shop. New December deal drops on Lowe's.com every week this month. Fresh deals, cozy vibes, zero effort.
- [24:50]
Josh Pate
Speaking of lack of apologies, we got a lot more to get to from yesterday, but I kind of wanted to weave the coaching search stuff throughout the show.
- [24:59]
I said something about Lane Kiffin earlier today that I thought was very, very clearly detectable sarcasm, but I forgot. In the year of our Lord 2025, especially when it comes to something as consequential as a coaching search in college football, no one has a sarcasm detector anymore. So here's what I said. QUOTE I know where Lane will be in 2026 and all I can say is wow. Anyone who knows me, anyone who follows me on socials like, do I ever talk like that? Unless I'm clearly mocking other people, the answer is no. I was clearly mocking other people here. This is. This is very, very standard message board lingo. And look, I had a four hour flight to Portland the other night, so all I did was live on Florida and LSU message boards. I'm in the weeds with you guys. I'm in the trenches. So this is an inside joke in message board culture. And look, fortunately, unfortunately, depending on your viewpoint on life, a lot of you do not traffic in message boards all day. And it went over a lot of people's heads. And I mean some smart people thought I was dead serious or trying to be dead serious with this. I'm not apologizing for it. If you can't detect sarcasm, that's this obvious that's a you problem. I apologize all the time. We have a halfway used package of clown noses right over here on this table. I'm looking at it right now for when I have to apologize on air. So I apologize all the time. I'm not apologizing for that. Here's what I will tell you several things, several thoughts on where the Lane Kiffin multi coaching search will he stay, will he go drama is and how it's going to play out this week. I still don't think anything is decided. There are many people out there who would tell you this is done to lsu. There are a few people out there less, but still a few people out there close to the Florida situation who would swear to you, hey man, I know it's quiet around here, but we feel good about where we're at. There are some folks who think Ole Miss will keep him as well.
- [27:06]
I don't think it's decided. Now, all joking aside, I'm telling you, I will be completely honest with you here. All joking aside, I have spoken to Lane Kiffin every day for the past week. I don't know where he's going, so you guys may have better sourcing on this than me. I have no idea where he's going. Now apparently some people think they do know where he's going. And here's what I do think. I think you've heard indications that strongly make you believe you know where he's going. That's what I do believe. And there are very, very strong indications to make you believe he's going to lsu. I know what you're talking about. I am not ready to say that. There are some people who would think, hey man, you know, read the tea leaves. Have you heard this about Florida? Have you heard that about Florida? Yeah, I have. I'm not ready to say that. Well, at least you can say he's going to leave Ole Miss, right? No, I can't say that. I don't know that. I don't know that. I have talked to the dude every day, sometimes multiple times per day for the past week. I got no clue where he's going so if you know more than me, God bless you. I'd love to know what you know. But so far I haven't heard anything from anyone, including him, that makes me sure he knows where he's going. Because where I think it is still on this Sunday night is I don't think definitively Lane knows what he's going to do. And if you've ever had multiple options on tables in front of you and they're all good, I think you can kind of relate to this. It's very rare you find yourself in these positions very rarely in life. But imagine you're Lane Kiffin for a second, stay where you are, and you're at a great place that you yourself have claimed you love. That is a ready made playoff destination. You, you don't have to guess. If you can make the playoff at Ole Miss, you're already there. So if you stay, boom, you're in the playoff. You don't have to move, you don't have to pack up and go. People adore you for the rest of your life. That's option one. Options two and three are you go to one or the other of some of the most historically relevant brands in the past quarter century in this sport. You go to a place where Steve Spurrier's one big and Urban Myers won big. And by the way, that place has massively reinvested in itself over the past five years. It's pretty transformative how different Florida looks on the inside. I'm down there multiple times a year. I can confidently attest to this than it did five years ago. So you can win big at Florida, lsu. I don't think I need to describe to people what you can do at lsu. So if these are your options, my point is it's not a slam dunk. It's like degrees of edges that each of them have. And so if either of the three options are winners, if the worst of the options is really good and the best of the options is great, I could see kicking the can down the road as far as you possibly can. I don't know to what degree. The announcement by Keith Carter, the Ole Miss athletic director, delayed anything last week. Like, there were some people who suggested, man, maybe LSU was ready to lock this thing down. But then Keith Carter put out his statement saying, oh, we'll deal with this after the Egg Bowl. We're going to make an announcement after the Egg bowl, and maybe that's the only thing that delayed us. I think there's probably a lot more in play than that. You Also got to understand there's the small matter of the dude has a game to coach Friday and is represented by the most powerful agent in the sport right now and Jimmy Sexton. So if that were the position I was in, I would say do what you got to do behind the scenes. I'll make a decision. Whenever I'm telling you, I'll make a decision. That could be five minutes from now. That could truly be after the egg bowl. But between now and then, if you understand how your representation works behind the scenes, it may make sense why things feel like they continue to be changing and why you may have one whisper over here one hour, then another whisper over here the next hour. Well, it's because when there are multiple parties involved, you're just basically taking offer from party to party. Can you match this? Here's what they're going to do on this front. Here's what they're going to do on that front. Here's how they counter to your offer. Now, look, you can think this is slimy. You could think this is absolutely the way of the world. It works this way in more than just college football, I can promise you. So, like, it's the way it is. As Bruce Hornsby once saying, for better or for worse. But anyway, my point is, for anyone who thinks that, oh, there's no way it's still up in the air. Yeah, there is. I actually think it is up in the air. So there's most certainly a way. Here's what will happen, though. I promise you this part will happen. We will arrive at a conclusion by the end of this upcoming week. I strongly believe that's pretty obvious. The second part is someone's going to get a ton of fake ecred from this. I played around about trying to get mine today. That tweet was very clearly a joke. There are people on various talk shows, various message boards, various other shows and other columns and whatnot that have stated to varying degrees, no, it's a done deal. He's going to lsu. It's a done deal. He's going to Florida. It's a done deal. He's going to stay at Ole Miss. Well, there aren't 15 different options in the hat, so you got a 33% chance of just guessing, right? If these are indeed the three hats on the table, you've got a 33% chance of guessing right here. Someone will have blindfolded themselves and tried to throw a dart 50 yards across the room and hit bullseye.
- [32:43]
And they will achieve king status on their local message. Board for the next decade for having been inside the coaching search the entire time. They weren't inside anything. They guessed right, they had wrong information, right outcome. Be careful, be wary of that. You can really get misled down the road from people like that. The one thing I'll say about Florida is I know there seems to be a fraction of the noise coming out of Florida that there is lsu. That may be because he ends up signing with lsu. For all I know, that may be the case. I would just caution you, do not confuse silence with inaction. Sometimes there's a lot going on behind the scenes and it's just buttoned up pretty tight. So I don't take the relative silence out of Gainesville compared to Baton Rouge to mean Florida is just cooked here. And I know a lot of the reporting has been Florida's a distant third and this and that.
- [33:40]
I still think they got a shot.
- [33:42]
Commercial Announcer
That's.
- [33:43]
Josh Pate
That's all I'm saying. Not a leader in the clubhouse, nothing like that. I'm not making a pick on that. I'm just saying I still think they're in it. I think he could stay at Ole Miss. Absolutely think he could go to lsu. So yeah, there we are. But to reiterate sarcasm from the tweet this morning and if you don't get it, I don't know what to tell you. I will tell you this. If you're going to be in Atlanta, Georgia the weekend of the SEC Championship game, I got something for you to do Friday night, Friday night, December 5th, over at the Buckhead Theater there in Atlanta, 7pm Eastern Time. Our first true live event. Our first live show. Not our show being broadcast live. I mean full, I expect, sold out Buckhead theater ticket sales have gone like shockingly well for that. That's why I haven't even pushed it on Social yet. I actually want the people who watch and listen to the show to be the ones grabbing up the tickets. But.
- [34:41]
I know we're still kind of waiting to see who plays in the game, but many of you live in Georgia. I'm from Georgia. So like we got a lot of folks who have followed the show for a long time who have bought tickets. The tickets are available@pacestatematerial.com right now. There's an entire live show tab. It looks like that. Truthfully, I don't remember taking that picture, but I assume I did at some point. Gonna be a lot of fun. We're gonna have exclusive merch that you can only get at the show. We're going to have surprise guests, plural. Probably correlated with who plays in the SEC championship game, but maybe not. Maybe there's some people who are just in Atlanta. No matter what, we're gonna have a lot of fun. It will not be broadcast anywhere, so you got to be there to see this. It will be very interactive. We'll have a lot of audience interaction, a lot of Q and A, you know, pass the mic around, all the things you've always wanted to ask but can't ask because I can't answer them on air. This is it. This is that moment. It'll be a lot of fun. Paintstatematerial.com tickets available there right now. Let's continue. We had more games yesterday. Oklahoma beat Missouri and only scored 17 points. And you know what? They still won by double digits. Now, this game was not the most aesthetically pleasing in the country yesterday. I know that. I know that. But look, this is football. Some of you look at a 52 to 48 game and you think that's beautiful. And then some of you look at 17 to 6 and you think it's hideous. This game got one and a half. Chalai. So I know it won't break the bank on ratings when they report them later this week, but I just want to tell you.
- [36:09]
Oklahoma's developing a little bit of a team identity here. Their past three games, think this, think this through. As I think it out loud at Tennessee, at Alabama, Missouri, three ranked opponents, two of them on the road. They are plus six turnovers. They've been outgained by a combined 324 yards in those games and yet they're three. And oh, now I didn't say they have an offensive identity. I got no clue what they are offensively, but team identity, basically what they've become is a team that doesn't need offense to win games. Really crazy where we are with Oklahoma right now, the game played out almost precisely how we laid it out in the game preview last Tuesday. Very low scoring. That was pretty easy to see coming. Mattier had 86 passing yards except for one play. And on one plate, one cat buster. I think those were my exact words. There could be one random cat buster. That's the difference. Simple drag route. Satania just takes it 87 yards. He had more passing yards on that one play than he did the rest of the day combined. And that's enough. When you hold Missouri to 70 yards rushing, that's enough. What they have. I think Hardy himself had over 300 on the ground against Mississippi State the week before. 70. Yeah, two interceptions, four sacks, eight tackles for loss. Oklahoma has discovered that if you play high level defense, you don't have to light the world on fire. This is not the Big 12 anymore. We don't have to outscore people. I do have a padlock stat for you. Paper popper of a padlock stat. Missouri had more passes than runs in this game. I'm going to let that simmer for a second because you may think that's not that big a padlock stat, is it? Well, if it is, if you understand the state of the Missouri offense, the way that they've been competing, if not winning games, competing in games, the path for them to win this game, I promise you, was not Eli Roland in there saying, yeah, we want to sling it all over the field this Saturday in Norman. No, no, no. But they had to because they ended up being put in catch up mode. They needed a plan. I said the other day to where 20 is good enough to win the game. And you know what? They got that game. They just didn't score. The 20 held Oklahoma to 17, but they didn't score the 20. And so Missouri's defense kind of provided them with the Runway. Offense couldn't take off. And that's not because they shot themselves in the foot. It's because Oklahoma is just really good. And I got to give pretty supreme credit to Brent Venables. Earlier in the year it was very popular to be trash and Brent Venables and some people, you know, since it became popular all of a sudden to fire coaches in October, some people after the Texas game said, oh, here we go, here we go. Mattier got his finger hurt and he's back and he looks like a shell of himself. We lost to Texas and now what? Now we got to run this gauntlet. Now we got to leave home a couple of big games. Oh, what's going to happen? Well, imagine if I rewind to going into the Red River Shootout. You lose that game on Saturday and I were to tell you Mattier's not going to get any better. His health, you know, his hand, it's going to be what it is the rest of the year. And imagine me telling you that you're going to have to go through that entire stretch. Texas at South Carolina, Ole Miss at Tennessee at Alabama, Missouri. And you'll come out of all that despite lacking an offensive identity of any kind, with your College Football Playoff destiny in your hands the last week of the regular season. Imagine me telling you that Matier is not going to get any better. Offensive identity is going to be non existent. And yet you're going to go Texas, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Bama, Missouri and you're going to have your fate in your hands, which they absolutely do. Going into the last week. You're looking at the odds to make the College Football Playoff on your screen right now courtesy of FanDuel. Oklahoma -420. So they are solidly favored to make the playoff. Just got to beat lsu. And I'm sure there's some path where even if they lose to lsu, but certainly if they beat lsu, they're in. Jesse, do you remember off the top of your head what the spread is in the Oklahoma LSU game this Saturday? I don't think we checked on it. All right. Jesse is efforting that as we speak. So anyway, look, 10 and a half ou favored by 10 and a half win that game, they're in for sure. I'm just saying it could have gone off the rails. It hasn't been ideal. Like I had some Oklahoma folks saying, look, you gotta, you gotta trash our offense a little bit on the show tonight. By the way, this is commonplace. I know our show ends up in these hype videos that teams play for the team on Fridays and half the time the staff has asked us to say it on air. Disgusting. So yeah, man, Oklahoma would love a little spark to be lit under the offense. I don't know what's going to happen there. I just think you kind of got what you got right now. Is it a flawed team? Of course. Is it an imperfect team? Of course a third of the team is non functional right now, but the other two thirds are really getting the job done. Missouri, I'm going to talk about them very briefly a little later in the show. I still think they can salvage a win to end the season, but it kind of is what it is. Bo Pur Buella came back yesterday. He did play. They're 7 and 4 right now. They could finish 8 and 4 if they beat Arkansas. It's not a terrible season. Injury derailed it a little bit. They had the close loss to Alabama and then they. Look, the Vanderbilt game is really where it turned. We were there for that game. You got a fourth and goal situation and you don't make it and you lose your quarterback on that play and then Vandy breaks a long run I think on the next drive. That was the difference in that game and that's been the difference in the season really because that's where the playoff hopes kind of went out the window a little bit. But still not a bad Season. They're watching us in Columbia, South Carolina, Atasca, Ceda, Texas. Perhaps a young man by the name of Kenny in Atascocita, Texas. If you know, you know. One person knows. And Dayton, Ohio, we appreciate you guys watching. I've got the wrong screen pulled up. All right, there we go.
- [42:25]
And I just want to say hi to the live chat. Quick reminder.
- [42:31]
Subscribe to the channel and check if you are. Just go ahead, check. Because a lot of you think you are. 50.9% of you are still unsubscribed to the channel, which makes no sense because nothing happens when you subscribe except it helps us appreciate it. I witnessed firsthand in Austin Stadium yesterday.
- [42:49]
Actually several of our comrades there in the crowd take someone else's phone, perhaps a significant other, perhaps a wayward buddy that they had brought to the game and they subscribed on their phone for us. And I was like, see, it doesn't cost anything. See your phone didn't blow up. See your email inbox didn't get spammed into outer space. It just helped us. Thank you. And then we were on our way. That's how we get to 500k.
- [43:15]
What a headline I have in my hand right now. Florida State is retaining Mike Norvell for the 2026 season. They made it official today. Well, they put out a graphic today, so I assume that makes it official. This kind of genuinely surprised me. I really thought that there would be some action on him after they lost to NC State the other night. I'm talking about the most disastrous display of special teams I think I've ever seen. There were three different moments in a three minute period on Friday night when we were watching this game in the hotel room in Oregon where I said, you cannot be serious. I said those words three times. That phrase came out of my mouth three times about Florida State in the span of three minutes of game action. You're supposed to say that like twice a year. I said it three times in five minutes and they lost the game. And here we are though, we're five and six. Could end up six, six. They got to beat Florida on the road to get there. Mike Norvell is going to be retained. Very simple to understand what's happening here. No one wanted to retain Mike Norvell there. It cost too much to fire him. That's just the way it is. I like Mike Norvell a lot. I love the dude as a person. I actually think he can be a successful coach. I think they got started down a slippery slope. There when it came to roster construction. And they've never been able to get their footing by that, I mean, they leaned on the portal heavy and they killed it. One year, that 20, 23 year, they killed it. And then they doubled down on that approach and they never started to build up through high school recruiting. And that's even aside from the problem of maybe they're not capable of it, but let's just assume they are capable of it. They chose to continue going the portal approach because the thing about going heavy portal is you got to keep going heavy portal to backfill the portal losses that you originally portaled in. Because a lot of them are one year guys, maybe two year guys max. And it's. It's just once it gets going downhill, it's really hard to reverse that. Anyway, that's where they are right now. And so that's why he's being retained. It would have cost a ton of money because they got played when Alabama had the job opening and they got tricked into thinking Mike Norvell was a serious candidate for the Alabama job. They were not going to offer Mike Norvell the job. It was always Calen DeBoer's job. But the people at Florida State were made to believe that it was Mike's job to the tune that he got a huge buyout. So it's not the first time that's happened to someone. And if he were to go on to win, it would be a moot point. But he hasn't gone on to win. So it immediately makes you look at that buyout number and say, we would owe him. What? How did that happen? Alabama's job opening and a certain mega agent out there is how it happened. So.
- [46:06]
The details are pretty obvious here. My question is not what did you say in your statement? You're not aligned on this. Not everyone's behind this. Everyone knows why you're retaining him. Mike Norvell knows why he's being retained. If he ends up winning, that's irrelevant. Like it doesn't matter. There's. Look at this. Look at how many words there are over here. That's a mighty big word salad to say we can't afford to fire you right now or we're not willing to pay that money to fire you. No one's reading that. That's the most tldr I've ever seen in my life. One paragraph would have been too long. Didn't read, that's 1, 2, 3. That's five paragraphs. So what's Mike Norvell gonna do about it? That's the only question that matters here. Sort of a stay of professional execution for a little while. What's he going to do about it? And my immediate follow up is how do you recruit to this environment? How do you recruit to a place where everyone just assumes the head coach is on borrowed time? I think these are fair questions. I don't think this is irresponsible to ask at all. In the best of worlds, if you had just a staff full of assassin recruiters, it would be tough. This staff is not known for its ability to recruit the high school ranks. So it's going to be an uphill battle. Now the answer to that is you've got to be willing to pay a premium for talent. You could make the argument that, oh well, since we're not spending the money on buyouts, we'll reinvest that money into paying for players. They tried that at Florida this past cycle. Didn't work. But that doesn't mean it can't work. It just didn't work there. Also, it feels like there are going to be several staff moves. How do you staff, like understand what we're talking about here? It's not a video game, so you don't just get to press buttons and imaginary people take over for other imaginary people. If Gus Malzahn heads out the door, you got to find an offensive coordinator that's willing to uproot his family and his situation and hopefully a good one by the way, to come down to Tallahassee to maybe live one year. Or if you make player personnel department changes, you're going to have to get people willing to come down there with the risk and the cloud over the staff's head that you may only be there because they can't afford to fire you right now. My point is, even in the best of climates, if you've got a magnetic head coach and you've got a great recruiting staff, it would be tough to attract players and staffers here. This is what has a lot of the Florida State fans so up in arms. Because they're looking at it and saying, everyone knows it's an inevitability. Why don't we rip the band aid off right now? And you know the retort to that's obvious. Well, do you guys want to stroke a 60 plus million dollar check? Of course they can't afford to. Very few single people can afford to do that. Very, very few individual people. You may be single, I don't know. But what was the talk we heard down there? The talk Was they had the money. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. If they did, they're not willing to spend it. The biggest risk here is not anger. If fans are angry, it's not the worst thing in the world. That's the second worst thing in the world. The worst thing in the world is apathy. The worst thing in the world is a half full house when you're in a freshly renovated stadium and it's like week three or week four next year, and already the season's giving off bad vibes. And already we realize all the good things we said in the spring and summer, just cosmetic and, oh, it's the same old, same old. We're not going through this again. That is the biggest danger here. And hopefully it doesn't happen again. I'm going to tell you, like, I'm dead serious when I say I like Mike Norvell. I think he's a great person. I hope it works out. I cannot state that strongly enough. I badly hope it works out. I had a lot of hope after the Alabama game this year that somehow, some way, they had pressed the right buttons and it was going to work out. I mean, they looked ultra impressive in that week one. Still one of the most baffling results of the season. Given the context that we ended up having at our disposal. I was pulling for it to be true, and it turns out that it was a little bit of a mirage.
- [50:14]
Who knows what the future holds? I do know what a month and two days from now holds. Christmas. We celebrate it proudly at Pate State and also in the Pate State store. The Tis the Season collection is setting records. Our November store traffic is through the roof. And now it doesn't take long for us to ship stuff. So a lot of you have already got product in hand. We just launched the Tis the Season collection like two weeks ago. So, like, a lot of you are already wearing your Christmas gear. I mean, look at that chuggy sweater. Look at the Merry Christmas, you filthy casual. Oh, that thing's great. Great idea on my part, I think, Jesse. Great, great creative idea for me to solely have come up with that T shirt. So, you know, we're not about the credit around here, really. It's a team effort. That's why you never hear me ask for credit when something good happens Here at Pate State, we just. We just share the credit collectively. I take all the blame, of course, but we share the credit and a lot of credit due because the store is on fire. So I just humbly invite you guys. Paintstatematerial.com it's right there. Just splashed, not splattered, splashed all over the home screen. But it's also a really, really good gift idea. Because if you're like me and you have no idea what to buy, people just buy them that. And if they don't like that, they're a loser. No, they're not. They could be, but not just because of that. That's harsh language, but I think the point was made.
- [51:43]
Matt Rogers
This is Matt Rogers from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
- [51:47]
Bowen Yang
This is Bowen Yang from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
- [51:50]
Matt Rogers
Hey, Bowen, it's gift season.
- [51:52]
Bowen Yang
Ugh. Stressing me out. Why are all the people I love so hard to shop for like me? Exactly, honey.
- [51:58]
Matt Rogers
I'm easy. But you're right, holiday gifting is stressful.
- [52:01]
Bowen Yang
And all the gift guides out there are boring and uninspired.
- [52:04]
Matt Rogers
Wait, what about the guide we made.
- [52:05]
Bowen Yang
In partnership with Marshalls where premium gifts mean incredible value?
- [52:09]
Matt Rogers
It's Giving Gifts, a series filled with premium gifts at great value for everyone on your list.
- [52:15]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, cause if I see one more for the dad who likes golf list, I'm out.
- [52:19]
Podcast Advertiser
Right?
- [52:20]
Matt Rogers
How about something for the people who.
- [52:22]
Bowen Yang
Actually surprise you with categories like best gifts for the mom whose idea of a sensible walking shoe is a stiletto. Psst, she wants a pair of stilettos.
- [52:29]
Matt Rogers
Or best gifts for me that were so thoughtful, I really shouldn't have dying.
- [52:33]
Bowen Yang
To see what those are.
- [52:34]
Matt Rogers
And you won't believe their prices.
- [52:36]
Bowen Yang
Just wait till you see what else is in there. It's basically a one stop shop for everyone.
- [52:40]
Matt Rogers
You know, I started bookmarking half the list for myself.
- [52:43]
Bowen Yang
Honestly, this the guy for the 2025 holiday gifting season?
- [52:47]
Matt Rogers
Check out the guide on marshalls.com it's.
- [52:50]
Bowen Yang
Giving gifts Gift the good stuff at Marshalls.
- [52:53]
Josh Pate
Hello.
- [52:54]
Commercial Announcer
Hello.
- [52:54]
Josh Pate
I'm Malcolm Gladwell, host of the podcast smart talks with IBM. I recently sat down with IBM's chairman and CEO Arvind Krishna, and I asked him, how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business?
- [53:10]
IBM Executive
My one advice to them, Pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive. Yeah, so we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not technology. It's getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things.
- [54:00]
Josh Pate
To listen to the full conversation, visit IBM.com smarttalks.
- [54:11]
Commercial Announcer
Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder? With a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other, one for sales, another for inventory, a separate one for accounting. Before you know it, you are drowning in software Instead of growing your business. This is where Odoo comes in. Odoo is the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all in one fully integrated platform that handles everything. CRM, accounting, inventory, E commerce, HR and more. No more app overload, no more juggling logins. Just one seamless system that makes work easier. And the best part? Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. It's built to grow with your business, whether you are just starting out or already scaling up. Plus, it's easy to use, customizable and designed to streamline every process so you can focus on what really matters running your business. Thousands of businesses have made the switch, so why not you try Odoo for free@odoo.com that's o d o o.com stay.
- [55:12]
Podcast Advertiser
Cozy, stay home and save big online during Lowe's December deal drops because honestly, why go anywhere when the deals come to you? Check this out. Lowe's is going to give you two free select tools from dewalt, Craftsman or Cobalt when you buy a select batter or combo kit. Yep, two tools free. It's basically a holiday miracle. Plus rewards members get free standard shipping all month long. Yet another reason not to leave your couch. Kick back, click around, let the savings roll in. Shop New December deal drops on Lowes.com every week this month. Fresh deals, cozy vibes, zero effort.
- [55:49]
Josh Pate
Let's continue. We got still a few things to get to here.
- [55:55]
Important text message. Let me read this.
- [55:58]
Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, we continue. It's a very look, we do the show live, so a lot of times very, very important things happen during the show that, as it turns out, was not one of them. The AP poll is out for week 13 and I think it's very, very important. I think there are a lot of blinking red lights on this week's AP poll. So walk through me or walk through with me here. SMU is number 25. Jesse, I think we boiled this down earlier today. SMU controls their ACC championship fate, right? If they win Saturday, they are in the ACC championship game. Yes. All right. I'm going to take that to mean that SMU controls its College Football Playoff destiny. Now, I can't 100% guarantee that, but I can pretty much guarantee that. So Rhett Lashley and the boys once again in position to go to Charlotte. I think they got to be Cal this Saturday, who just fired Justin Wilcox like five minutes ago. And look, if you. I don't want to take anyone back to the COVID days. Those are dark days. But if you remember how it ended for Nick Rolovich at Washington State and why it ended that way, which I thought was kind of bs and you remember the Brian Harson era at Auburn, and you remember some of the stories around Brian Harson at Auburn, who also never got a fair shake at Auburn. The fact that both of those guys are running the house at Cal Berkeley right now, it just amazing. Only in college football. Not even only in America. Only in America in college football. So that's who plays SMU Saturday. Pitt is number 24, Georgia Tech's number 23. That's where I want to stop. Put on the E brake for a second. I have it on good authority these teams played yesterday in Atlanta and the outcome was pretty definitive. AP voters looked at that and said, give me Georgia Tech ahead of Pitt. Anyway, I have no words. I have no words. Tulane is 22, North Texas is 21, and James Madison is 20. All right, so let's still ask the question, because you know that, you know the playoff rule. The playoff rule is we take the five highest ranked conference champions and then we take seven at larges. All right, so it's. It's known that the Big Ten champ will be one, the SEC champ will be one, the Big 12 champ will be one, that's three. The big question that we have asked is, could there be a world where, let's say, oh, North Texas wins the American and they're ranked really high, that's four. And then JMU wins the Sun Belt and they're ranked higher than the ACC Conference champ. So that's five. That's it. And we don't have room for the ACC champ. Is there a world where that could happen? I'm still guessing no. I'm still guessing no. But then Jesse again marched into my office earlier today and showed me the various ACC Conference championship scenarios, tiebreaker scenarios. I threw up. I had no other recourse. I just threw up. Every. Every other one of these conferences is going to have like this premier matchup in the Big Ten. It's going to be Ohio State, Indiana, who are ranked 1 2, by the way. That's going to be a 12 matchup in all likelihood, pending, pending this Saturday. Ohio State, Michigan, we have that small matter to get through. And then we could have A and M Alabama or we could have A and M Georgia or Bama Georgia. And that's going to be a great game no matter what in the SEC Championship game and for all the world. It looks like Texas Tech, Brigham Young in a rematch in Dallas. And I've just got this Alphabet soup of mess in the acc, so who knows what the ACC is going to spit out at us. But anyway, there is some drama there. USC is still at 19. That is significant. They didn't drop a whole lot. Now the big question is, do the playoff rankings reflect the AP, especially with those G5 teams. Do the playoff rankings reflect the AP? Jesse to my knowledge, the College Football Playoff has not featured in their ranking so far two G5 teams from different conferences. They've had G5 teams in there. But like we haven't seen, oh, There's Tulane at 22 from the American. Oh, there's Jmu at 25th from the Sunbelt. Cause then we'd kind of get an idea of where they have those respective teams ranked. Therefore we would have an idea if those teams won their conferences of relatively how high the conference champ would be ranked. Hadn't seen that yet. So we'll see if that is reflected this week in the committee rankings. Just like we'll see if, oh, I don't know, Southern Cal is still as high as 19 in the committee rankings. Tennessee's 18, Virginia 17, Texas 16. All right, there's Michigan at 15. Michigan's going into Saturday. They're going to play Ohio State if they beat them. And I think that line was eleven and a half as I saw that game's in Ann Arbor. So yes, Ohio State back to back to back to back losses. Still a double digit favorite in Michigan's building.
- [61:13]
Yep. If Michigan wins the game, how high do they climb is the question. And do they go to the Big Ten title game, which I assumed was automatic, but apparently there's some tiebreaker scenarios that make it not automatic. But truthfully those all are written in crayon, so who knows what's true. But if Michigan beats Ohio State, how high do they climb in the rankings? Like everyone keeps thinking about these walls, like these little barriers, like, oh, you can't jump ahead of Alabama or you couldn't jump ahead of Notre Dame. Of course you could. You could put him seventh or eight. I don't know. Oh, use a two loss team. Notre Dame's a two loss team. Bama's a two loss team. As far as I could tell, if Michigan beats Ohio State, they'd have a better win than any of you. Now you could talk about the rest of their strength of schedule. Okay, but we know that baked in already, they're already 15th. How high would they jump? Utah's 14th. You? I'm going to talk about Utah in a second. One of the most insane box scores you will ever see in your life ended up with a Utah win yesterday. Miami is at 13 again. We're wondering how closely do the AP rankings reflect the committee rankings. Vandy's at 12. I say I'm going to keep saying the same thing. Where does the committee have Vandy? Vandy ought to get a lot of credit for just body bag. In Kentucky yesterday, Diego Pavia threw for half a mile on Kentucky and they won emphatically. And that was a game that some people had their eye on as like a potential upset alert, us included. Nope. Brigham young is at 11. Good win yesterday. Good win. Top 10. I want to talk about Bama for a second. I am seeing some scenarios out there that I think are complete garbage. So if Alabama loses to Auburn, they're out of everything and that's. That takes care of itself. If Alabama beats Auburn and they win the SEC championship game, there are some people who don't think they would jump into the top four. Guys, they're jumping into the top four. The SEC champ is going to be one of those top four teams. So they 100% in my mind will have a first round by. They will be one of the top four teams if they beat Auburn and beat whoever they play in Atlanta. The real tricky part, according to the all state playoff predictor at least is if Alabama beats Auburn, they go to Atlanta at 10 and 2 and they lose the SEC championship game. Apparently the all state playoff predictor says they have like a 54% chance of making the playoff at that point. I want to tell you in no uncertain terms, if an SEC team enters conference championship Saturday inside the top 10 and they lose and fall out of the playoff because they played in the SEC championship game, they will burn the conference to the ground. The sec, Greg Sankey may secede from college football if that happens. I struggle to see a planet where that is allowed to happen. The SEC's second best team because they earned the right to play in what they would call the premier conference championship game in America. Now look, one, two in Big Ten country this year. It's going to be hard to argue with, but still that's going to be a top 10 matchup in the SEC championship game. And if you sit there and have the audacity to drop Alabama out after they were in going into that Saturday because they lost the game, I know a lot of times you figuratively say, oh man, they're going to riot. I really think they'd riot. I don't even know what building they would march on. I think they would riot. So 54%. Like I think if they go into Atlanta, they're in. I think no matter who in the SEC plays in the SEC championship game, they're in. I don't even know what other scenario there would be. Notre Dame's nine. Check. We had argument back and forth about Notre Dame Bama last week, but everyone spoke in their piece on that. OU is eight. Check. Texas Tech is number seven. Now here's another question to just ponder because I've seen some disagreement back and forth on this. I really don't think there's a solid answer yet. Texas Tech at 7. First off, let's see where the committee has them. But what do you think is going to happen if Texas Tech WINS the Big 12? Do you think they jump into the top four? If Alabama were to, let's say make it to Atlanta and they lose to A and M because remember for a long time it just looked like the participants from the Big Ten and SEC championship game are going to be the top four. But then Bama lost to Oklahoma, they fell out. So there's this world now where Bama could play A and M. A and M beats Bama. So you know the one and two, you know those two teams are going to have top four seeds unless they lose. So you'd have the Ohio State, Indiana dynamic there and you'd have the SEC champ there. But that would leave one spot open. That fourth seed there would be open. And at that point you got to wonder would the committee put a Texas Tech Big 12 champ all the way up into the four seed or would they put an at large team like Georgia? Well, they wouldn't be. They would be a non conference champ. Would they put them up there? Would Oregon vault up there? I tend to think if Texas Tech WINS the Big 12 championship, they're going to have enough juice given an extra data point of a conference championship to jump up there. But that is very, very disagreed upon right now from what I can tell. So I'm just kind of guessing on that. Oregon's five and Georgia's four. Again, that's very important to note. Let's see what the committee says about that. But Oregon jumped up to five and it's very important. If a non conference champ is going to get a buy, it could be Georgia, it could be Oregon. Georgia's got a chance against Georgia Tech this Saturday. That's a ranked team. I think there's an outside chance that Washington could maybe be on the fringes of being ranked by the committee this week, which means Oregon could face a ranked team. Let's see what they do there. A and M, Indiana, Ohio State 3 to 1.
- [67:22]
Let's move merrily along some more coaching search stuff. Well, I got a bunch of added takeaways from Saturday, so I mean we got the Sarah McLaughlin special to end all Sarah McLachlan specials coming up. The Auburn coaching search is continuing and I think it's nearing a conclusion. Like I think Auburn's really, really zeroing in on their guy. I got some pushback last week from Auburn fans for suggesting that this coaching search had been a well oiled machine. And I said that because it has. And I didn't just volunteer that. Like, I mean I've got fairly good working knowledge of where the search has been, but I also have working knowledge of what other people involved in the search have thought. I've spoken to a bunch of people that in some shape, form or fashion have been involved in the Auburn coaching search, but also people who have been involved in many coaching searches before. So they've, they've seen clusters before, they've seen well oiled machines before and they would describe the Auburn coaching search firmly in the latter category. And that's what I've heard as well. So I said that and like I don't know what it was, some Auburn fans pushed back. It's almost like they, they have Stockholm syndrome from the ineptitude in that athletic department over the years that they, they crave being told it's a mess. And for once, at least I'm sitting here telling you no, Auburn's really got its act together on this thing now they could screw it up at the 11th hour, but I don't expect that. So I think they're really close. I mean I think there's some, some eyes to dot, some T's to cross, but I really think they've zeroed in on the handful of qualified candidates for the job. So like, that could be John Sumrall, and you could get that thing done immediately after Tulane season is over. Now, Tulane could be in a conference championship game. They could be in the playoff. I think there's a plan in place for how that would be handled if Summerall gets the job. If Summerall doesn't get the job, I think they've got their solid two and three options in place. I think they vetted everyone. I think they've had this done for several days. So I think that's where they are. I also think because of that, this time next week, we'll probably be on the precipice of getting an announcement from Auburn or we will have an announcement from Auburn. I mean, I really would be surprised if by Sunday after the Iron bowl, we didn't have traction on that front or it wasn't imminent. So, like, I think they'll be ready for that. DJ Durkin is the interim head coach down there right now. Now, it had been my personal opinion, going off, no information and just going on feel that I thought DJ Durkin was not really a candidate for the job. This is a couple of weeks ago when I was saying this, but I got corrected by people who would know, because I didn't, that he is very much in play. And I can tell you, even right now, DJ Durkin is still very much in play for this. To what degree? That's anyone's guess. I'm not John Cohen. I'm not running the search. But I'll tell you, DJ has gotten a look and will get a look now. He is auditioning as the head coach right now for the job. I do think if you just kind of close your eyes and envision the future, I think we all could see a world where that place is just crazy Saturday night and Alabama's in town and you do what you've done to them at Jordan Hare Stadium over the years, and you just make it a house of horrors. Defense rises up, you force some turnovers, and offensively, you scratch out enough points and you win at 23 to 16 and boom, DJ Durkin just carried off the field on the player's shoulders, and there's this sudden late rush of momentum to make him the head coach. And it could make things really interesting. I could easily see that this is college football, and I could absolutely see that. My guess is it won't go that way, but not because he's not a serious candidate. So I didn't want to correct that from a couple of weeks ago. The other thing I wanted to say is I wanted to kind of correct, in my opinion, the misnomer about what kind of job this is. The Auburn job is a phenomenal job. The Auburn job gets painted with this broad brush from past stereotypes that I don't think reflects that place currently at all. I think the Auburn job's really a job where you're set up to succeed. The roster is good. If you get the right guy in there. I think you'd have a surprising level of retention if you get the right front office folks in there. There's no lack of resource. The other good thing about Auburn, just earmuff yourself in Tuscaloosa and Athens is Auburn sort of sells itself. It's a really good place. I grew up really close to Auburn, so Auburn kind of sells itself. You get folks on campus there. I mean, if you're even competitive. If I don't want to use a golf joke, this is no shot at hugh freeze. This is like a metaphor a lot of people use. If you can just get within a nine iron of the other places, Auburn sometimes is enough to get Auburn across the finish line. Especially if you got the right guy there, you got the right staff there. So it may very well be John Sumrall. If it is, that's a huge win. That's a huge win because a John Sumrall or any of a number of these guys whose names have been at the forefront coaching for Auburn as it's properly aligned would be a home run, not a grand slam. We don't label hires grand slams anymore. Good, solid home run, though. I think that's what we could see there. I got to give credit. I have. I got to go with the Tom Fornelli line. I got no clue if it'll work out. None of us have the Magic 8 ball. Auburn University, from its standpoint, has put itself. Auburn University has put Auburn in as good a position in this coaching search as any of the last several coaching searches that they've operated there. And if you don't remember how those have gone, they've been varying degrees of disaster. Back in 2009, late, late 2008, they fired now a sitting senator, Tommy Tuberville. All this is real life, by the way. And then they operated a coaching search. Bama had hired Nick Saban. Bama was about to go in a national title, and they had resurrected their program. And there's a lot of heat on the powers that be down at Auburn. Jay Jacobs, I think, was the athletic director there. Friend of the program, Jay Jacobs. And so they start Their own coaching search. They go to Ames, Iowa, which a lot of universities should be doing right now, to interview the sitting head coach at Iowa State. His name was Gene chisik. He was 5 and 19. The plane lands at Auburn. The administration gets off the plane. There's a dude standing at the airport hangar. There's a clip of this on YouTube. It's famous. We used to play it all the time when I did radio down in Columbus. And the guy's just yelling, booo. We need a leader, not a loser. Just yelling that over and over again. 5 and 19 is not what we need. And then it would have been great if the sound bite ended there. But the guy just torpedoed his reputation when he listed off all the coaches that he would rather Auburn hire. And it was Rodney Garner, Turner, Gill. I think Patrick Nix got a look. This was pre Bo Nixon by several years. So yeah, the replacements that he had in mind wouldn't have exactly lit the world on fire there either. And then we had Malzahn come in. Malzahn did very well. And then Malzahn's out the door. And then we have the Brian Harson era. And Brian Harson, I don't know if he would have worked out there, but given the circumstance that he was dropped into, he had no shot of working out. And then they have another.
- [74:59]
Search, if you want to call it that. And then he shoe freeze and you see how that worked out. So for me to say Auburn has its act together in a coaching search is a big deal. That is not normally the case there. Let's continue. Back to the field we go. Added takeaways from week 13. We got to start with this Pitt Georgia Tech game. It was a classic man of his word moment there at Grant Field. Not by Brent Key. Brent Key, a man of his word, no doubt. But Pat Narduzzi told you that the Notre Dame game was not must win. And he said that the Georgia Tech game was must win. And buddy, they played like it. I hated this matchup for Georgia Tech. We put this game at a 10 on the upset alert concern meter the other day. Georgia Tech had three turnovers on downs. They had two more interceptions. At the end of the first quarter, it was 21 nothing. And Pitt had a 176 to 21 total yardage advantage. And Pitt is now responsible, not solely responsible, but primarily responsible for the complete and utter mess that is the acc. And to build off of that, let me also talk about Miami right quick. They beat Virginia Tech 34 to 17. Carson Beck Nice. I was in my hotel room getting ready to go to Austin Stadium yesterday and I flip on the Miami game and it was first quarter and the first thing I saw was Carson Beck just rip a ball over the middle. Nice 20 yard touchdown pass to Elijah Lofton. It was so refreshing. Not everything has to be thrown within five yards of the line of scrimmage or behind it. It was nice to see that still part of what we do. Miami offensively, 20 to 3, lead at the half. Carson Beck was 27 of 32, 324 touchdowns. Miami had five sacks. Miami had nine tackles for loss. They were 7 of 13 on third down. They came up there prepared and ready to win and they took care of business. You remember what the fear was back in July, don't you? It was 100 degrees outside, but we were looking at the calendar and we were saying, hold up a second. Miami's got to go to Blacksburg and Pittsburgh in late November. That's going to be terrible. It was 62 degrees at kickoff, so that's the best I could do. Now that's where the good news ends. Because it is my unfortunate duty to report to you that Miami, although favored by six and a half, will play at Pittsburgh this Saturday at high noon with a kickoff temperature of 33 degrees.
- [77:36]
I can picture it now. You got to overcome it. You just got to sack up and overcome it. Utah, I don't know how this happened. I got no clue. I thought we were well on our way to making this the Sarah McLaughlin special. But then I watched another game.
- [77:51]
Did you? First off, did you see it? Did you see Utah, Kansas State? If you didn't, wow, you're going to have some free time this week. It's a short week. A lot of you are going to be traveling. A lot of you are going to have some downtime, especially if the family's coming to your house. If you have like a spare 20 minutes, go find the condensed version of this game on YouTube and watch it. Here's what wasn't enough to win this game, okay? Kansas State had 47 points. That wasn't enough. They had, I kid you not, 472 yards. Wait for it. Wait for it. Rushing 472 on the ground in a losing effort. They had runs. Jesse, hold on. I got to pull this up right quick. I forgot to write all these down. This is one of the most insane things you will ever hear me say. Kansas State, in a loss, had runs of 44, 37, 66, 33, 58, 80, 33 and 24 and they lost the game.
- [79:01]
Utah found a way I guess is the best compliment I can pay. And they needed half a hundred. They found a way. They dropped a little in the AP poll, but they're still 9 and 2. They're going to be right up there in the playoff rankings. And they've got Kansas at Kansas to end the season. I just this most mind boggling statistic I've ever seen. I don't think Alabama's run for 472 yards in the past month. Kansas State did it in one afternoon and lost. And then I thought Chris Kleiman cried at the press conference afterwards. I did too. For different reasons. I did too. Brigham Young one. I can count on them. Look, everyone was talking, everyone was saying, oh that trip to Cincinnati, y' all gotta play in Cincinnati at night. And Brigham Young was like, yeah, they gotta play us though. And they won 26 to 14. They again went on the road and won the turnover battle. And they again outrushed an opponent significantly, 265 to 87. It's Texas Tech. It's Brigham Young this Saturday. They don't play each other this Saturday. Last games of the regular season. They're both three possession favorites. Big Texas Tech's favorite by three touchdowns. Brigham Young by like 18 and a half. And if they win those games, they're headed to Arlington. They're headed to the Big 12 championship game. Odds to make the College Football Playoff Texas Tech overwhelming favorite to make it. Brigham Young plus 205. Now think this through with me because I'm going to be really interested to see how those odds change if they win Saturday. They're a big favorite. So you got to assume the assumption they win this Saturday is, is almost certainly already baked into this number. And they're still not favored to make the College Football Playoff. Which means the folks at FanDuel slightly believe that there's possibility they go into conference championship Saturday, inside the playoff bubble, lose and get dropped out. Or maybe they're just outside the playoff bubble when they go into conference championship Saturday. Therefore if they don't win, they were never bumped out because they were never in it. But there's no sure thing. My advice to Kalani Sataki and crew out there, win the Big 12. And that had messed some things up for someone else too because I don't think Texas Tech has fallen out like they're going to make it even if they lose the Big 12 championship game. So yeah, is it going to be a one bid league or a two bid League that's still up in the air. Vandy just smoked Kentucky. There was a splattering in Nashville last night. Never a doubt, never a doubt. 604 total yards. It's obvious. This may sound a little disrespectful to Vandy, but it's obvious. There were about 11 or 10 weeks worth of gas in Kentucky's tank and when they ran out, they ran out. The E light did not come on. They didn't have time to find the next exit. They just died right there on the interstate. Diego Pavia for Heisman apparently is still a thing.
- [82:01]
It is still a thing. I don't know how you can watch him do what he did last night and say it. Otherwise we're looking at the odds right now. On the board from Fanduel to win the Heisman Trophy, it's Fernando Mendoza favored. It's Julian saying Jeremiah Love and Diego Pavia with the same odds. And then my guy Marcel Reed just waiting in the weeds there in fifth. Yeah, Diego Pavia is way up there again, like low key. If I had to bet right now, Jeremiah Love, I think has been the best player in college football this year. So he would actually get my vote right now. I didn't bet on him a few weeks ago. Jeremiah Loves best player in college football that I've seen this year. That's, that's what I'll say. So he'd get my vote. I'm not responsible enough to have a Heisman vote, but if I did have one, it'd be Jeremiah Love and that brings. Oh, by the way, Vandy plays Tennessee. Let me not bury that. Vandy goes to Tennessee this week. It's going to be insane. Going to be a war in Neyland Stadium. Vandy at Tennessee. Tennessee favored by two and a half. That is your opening line for a game. Does that rivalry game have a name? Someone called Bill Martin? I'm not going to do that. It's a big game. That's what it's going to be.
- [83:13]
We generally do a kid friendly show here. Like I don't use profanity on this show. Maybe I give a little veiled immunity every now and then, but largely. Look, if you're a dad out there and you're driving to work on Monday morning, I structure the show in such a way where little Jeffrey could be in the passenger seat. You're safe if your kids are listening to the show. Except for right now. And it's not going to be because of the language that things are about to go sideways. Things are about to take a little TV ma turn because of content.
- [83:48]
I bring to you. This week's Sarah McLachlan Special Notre Dame beat Syracuse 77 and it was 35 to nothing with time left to go in the first quarter. These are the most points Notre Dame has scored since the Great Depression in any game. They were up 21 to nothing before their offense ever took the field. Syracuse somehow had an edge in total first downs in this game. They had more passing yards in this game and they lost by 63. It is the worst Syracuse loss since they faced Union in 1893. We assume that just means the entire army they scrimmaged the Northern troops in 1893 and only then did they lose worse. The Union was strong back then, very strong crew. This is the first time since 1996.
- [84:44]
That'S as far back as we could go in record keeping. By the way, it's probably the first time ever that an FBS team has run for 300 plus on less than 25 carries. The only thing that was stopping Notre Dame was the wall in the back of the end zone. They could have run to Rochester if they wanted to. C.J. carr winning quarterback C.J. carr 9 of 15 for 67 yards. So as it turns out, Notre Dame had more points than their quarterback had passing yards. Not a service academy in South Bend. Notre Dame had 31 more points than they had plays run. It's the Most inexplicable, unimaginable TVMA Sarah McLachlan Special of the modern era 70 to 7 prayers for everyone dressed in orange.
- [85:38]
Just let the music cook.
- [85:43]
All you can do is pray for those kids. That is someone's child out there wearing a Syracuse uniform. Terrible.
- [85:52]
I don't know how many Syracuse T shirts flew off the shelves at various Academy sports and outdoors yesterday. I'm saying if you're a very, very, very sadistic fan, you could go to Academy and buy one today. I'm told they have plenty in stock. But you could also go to Academy for a number of other things. Christmas season nearly upon us. Stocking stuffer season. Forget stocking stuffers. The big stuff, the good stuff under the tree. You can get it at Academy Sports and Outdoors. You're out there tailgating. You need a grill, maybe to cook your food, maybe to keep warm. They've got it at Academy Sports and Outdoors also. Just, you know, space heaters, nice little chair to sit in, nice little canopy to keep you dry. It's all at Academy tailgating headquarters. Fall sports, Winter sports headquarters, Social headquarters Just go hang out there. Don't loiter. Don't. I'm not encouraging loitering, but Academy has been a longtime partner of the show. We appreciate them place to be this time of year. Got a couple of more things to get to and then we will be out of here because I've got to sleep for like 14 hours tonight. Where's the Penn State coaching search? Let me tell you where. Penn State. The team is winning one of the hottest teams in the country. We have made bank on Penn State games the second half of the year. We just waited for them to bottom out and then we started betting them. So they beat Nebraska yesterday 37 to 10. There's a big groundswell of support up there to make the interim Terry Smith the permanent head coach. I know a lot of Penn State fans have their thoughts on this. I've taken a lot of arrows from Penn State fans for sharing my thoughts on the coaching search, which is fine. It's your program. It's not my program. I've given you guys that I thought are well cut out for the job. To this point, I haven't been given reason to believe that they've been involved in the search. Okay, cool. I also thought it was weird that they fired James Franklin. So we already were disagreeing on all that. So that's fine. So the people that want Terry Smith to have the permanent job totally get it, totally understand it. I don't think it would work long term. I've got several reasons for that, but it's nothing different than you guys have already hashed out amongst yourselves. So if you disagree with me on that front, you disagree with me on that front, here's what I will say. I think they have zeroed in on their guy for the past several days. I think that guy may be Bob Chesney. That's who I think that guy may be. Now, that's not the only one who's gotten a look here. I don't even think that's the only guy who they will have gotten well down the road in contract negotiation with. Whoever they hire, they will claim was the only guy they offered the job to, which is what everybody does.
- [88:40]
Technically, it's true.
- [88:42]
Big question here is, well, what about Bob Chesney? Because he's the head coach at James Madison right now. They could be in the playoff. They could have their season extended. This is why I've had trouble like zoning in and zeroing in on Lane at Ole Miss as the only coach that could potentially be in this mess. Lane's Just been way more performative about it. But there are other guys. Sumrall could be in a position where his season is extended, but he gets a new job and he has to make a decision. Bob Chesney could be in that situation. He gets a new job, teams in the playoff, he's got to make a decision. So like a lot of these guys could be in this situation. I, I think that if you were to go and look at Bob Chesney's Wikipedia page, it's really crazy now. If you're a winner, you're a winner. I mean, Kurt Signetti has taught us that. So I'm not going to doubt just because the guy's been somewhere, hasn't been somewhere. But dude, go look at Chesney's Wikipedia page. Look at if he gets the Penn State job, where he will have come from to where he will be going. Cause that is a pretty steep ascension. If he can win, he can win. I'm not pushing back on him. I just want to caution and look, I'm an outsider. Although I am wearing appropriate colors tonight.
- [90:00]
I know there's a lot of former player support up there for Terry Smith. A lot of fans support Terry Smith getting the job. I get it. I understand how emotion works. I understand the dynamics of the roster there, how the recruiting class has fallen apart, how everyone rightfully is worried that if we bring a total outsider in here, we're not starting from scratch. You don't start from scratch at Penn State, but we're going to have a lot of attrition no matter what. Our former guy just got hired at Virginia Tech. He's going to snatch a lot of our players. He could snatch a lot of our staffers. So, like we're draining right here. We're leaking right now. Maybe Terry Smith is the guy who holds it together. There's a lot of merit to those points. You've got to hire the guy that is the long term face of a winning Penn State football operation. And if you think that's Terry Smith, hire him. There's no way you can know that. How would you ever know that? The only thing you could go on is how they've performed in the back half of the season. It's very admirable. I had a guy a long time ago. I had an athletic director a long time ago. Caution me against falling in love with interims. It wasn't Pat Kraft, it wasn't this season. So they weren't, they weren't talking about Terry Smith, but they were talking about a similar situation where an interim got put in position and the kids gave an inspired effort, really just played above their skis, went over the cliff for the guy. And they said, here's what that's like. That's like a sugar high. Sugar highs don't last forever, but they're really powerful in the moments where it's kicking and it's the same energy that you get from a team sometimes for the interim. But he also put it another way. He said, now think about this. If you're in a boxing match and you've scouted your opponent and you've trained to face your opponent, and all of a sudden bell rings, ding, ding, ding, and your opponent just comes out of the corner swinging wildly, he said, would you be comfortable or uncomfortable? I said, I'd hate that. Like, I want the guy to do what he's been doing on tape. I want to know what to expect. I want to fight what I've trained to fight. He said, yep, that's correct. It would make everyone uncomfortable. But then he said, what if that same boxer swung wildly for 12 rounds? Is it a long term sustainable strategy? And I said, no. He said, yep, yep, boxing expert. He said, that's kind of what it's like when you fall in love with the interim, Especially in this case. The interim was already there. And you fired James Franklin and you fired him with the intent on upgrading. Right. That's why you fire a coach, because you think you can do better. In this event, you will be openly admitting that the better option had been on his staff all along. And if you believe that that was the dynamic there, maybe you're right. I don't tend to think that's the situation, nor do I think that ever was a situation. I think there's a good option for Penn State out there. I just don't think the guy who would win there long term.
- [92:58]
To the degree above and beyond what James Franklin did, which is important to note here, is Terry Smith. I don't personally think that. So if it's not Bob Chesney, where do they go? That's actually a great question.
- [93:14]
I have centered in on Bob Chesney for a couple of days now. So I think that's where they'll go if they don't. Look, this is the one I've had the least amount of feel on. This is the one. This is the search behind the scenes that I've had a lot of people really look sideways at me about, because I'll hit some folks up, I'll ask them where they think the search is. And I mean some of these folks are involved in these searches and they'll say, look, I mean, I can give you an angle on it, but we really don't know. Sometimes that's just a hallmark of a really, really high functioning coaching search. I think Auburn is that. I'm not sure Penn State has been that. So again, not pulling against any of these folks. Would love to be wrong. I really don't. I don't know. Maybe Bob Chesney is going to be a rock star. Maybe he'll be Kurt Signetti. 2.0 Sig came from James Madison. He's the guy who replaced Signetti. So maybe that just becomes the new cradle of coaches. James Madison, the new cradle of coaches.
- [94:08]
I have news for our friends in Missouri.
- [94:12]
Every one of you can listen to this, but especially those of you in Missouri. FanDuel goes live in your state in about seven days. December 1st it goes live. I'm going to get you a ton of free money. Here's all you have to do. Sign up before December 1st. Make sure you get in under the gun. Don't do it that day. Sign up before December 1st. You can do that right now. FanDuel.com JoshPate Sign your account up and then on opening day December 1st, just go bet $5 on anything. It doesn't even have to win. I don't care what it is. You will get $400 in bonus bets in your account. Boom. And then if you play it right, you'll never be in the red again the rest of your life. Simple strategy. Just pick winners. But on that first day, you can even pick a loser and win. I don't know how much better it gets. So there you go elsewhere, guys. They got odds on everything over there. If you're not even a better and you're just very curious. Ooh, man. Fernando Mendoza just threw two picks in the first quarter. I wonder what the Heisman odds look like. You can go look. They're not updating live that Saturday, but they do get refreshed after the day's events. You can go look at the odds to make the playoff. You can look at odds to win conference championships. You can go bet all those things. It's all over.
- [95:27]
FanDuel Announcer
There must be 21 plus and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 and present in D.C. first online real money wager only. $5 first deposit required. Bonus issued as non withdrawable bonus bets which expire seven days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms@sportsbook.fanduel.com and gambling problem. Call 1-800-gambler or visit fanduel.com rg call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org chatincenetic or visit ndgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text HOPE NY in New York.
- [96:11]
Josh Pate
Here's what I'm going to do to crank the Ramen Noodle Express up, which had a 58 day yesterday. Very disappointed. Guys. If you thought this was going to be easy, you got on board the wrong express. We don't just go undefeated every week, although we try to. This is a battle. This is a fight that we're in together. And we went 5 and 8 yesterday, which means we got to get ready. We are Georgia Tech. We are bloodied, but we have got to gird our loins. Figuratively or literally. I don't really care. It's your personal life. You do what you want to do. We got to get ready for rivalry week and I am doing that by taking Eli Drinkwitz in Missouri -2 and a half against Arkansas. I think Drink and company are going to get a win this week and I think they're going to win by at least three, which is why I am laying two and a half points now. Remember, it's a little different week this week, so I think we're going to end up doing Friday night lines on Thursday night Thanksgiving special. I will hammer those details out in the coming days because I literally just thought about that. So we will probably do it Thursday, but we'll be adding several games. I think we'll it looks like we'll be at least 10 deep with picks again this week. So yeah, 5 and 8 was not ideal yesterday. I would say. Minor setback for a major Thanksgiving comeback. That's how I'm choosing to look at this. I am done. That's the show guys. Just one more time. If you haven't subscribed yet, please subscribe on your way out and recruit friends and family to do the same. You're going to be around a lot of people this week that you only see once a year. Why not go ahead and just take their phone and press one button for them? Just one additional step above and beyond feeding them and housing them. Just subscribe to the channel. Appreciate you doing it in advance. We'll be back Tuesday night. Normal time, right, Jesse? Yeah, normal time. I don't think the is the playoff doing something weird Tuesday night. All right, normal time Tuesday night. That'll be our last show of the week. So a lot, a lot to get done Tuesday night. We will probably sleep until then. For director Bradley producer Jesse, I'm Josh Pate. Take care. Have a great start to your week. A short week and God bless.
- [98:30]
FanDuel Announcer
Must be 21 + and present in select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas Star Casino or 18 plus and present in D.C. first online real money wager only. Five dollar first deposit required. Bonus issued as non withdrawable bonus bets which expire seven days after receipt. Restrictions apply. See terms@sportsbook.fanduel.com gambling problem. Call 1-800-Gambler or visit fanduel.com rg call 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.orgch, connecticut or visit ndgamblinghelp.org in Maryland. Hope is here. Visit gamblinghelplinema.org or call 800-327-5050 for 24. 7 support in Massachusetts or call 1-877-8-HOPE NY or text hopeny in New York.
- [99:14]
Josh Pate
Ah, greetings from my bath festive friends. The holidays are overwhelming, but I'm tackling this season with PayPal and making the most of my money. Getting 5% cash back when I pay in 5. No fees, no interest. I used it to get this portable spa with jets. Now the bubbles can cling to my sculpted but pruny body. Make the most of your money this holiday with PayPal. Save the offer in the app ends 1231. See PayPal.com promoter terms can be redeemed for cash and more paying for subject to terms and approval. PayPal Inc. And MLS 910457 okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line.
- [99:51]
Podcast Advertiser
But first.
- [100:03]
There the last one.
- [100:07]
Josh Pate
Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes.
- [100:14]
Commercial Announcer
Enterprise leaders are revolutionizing their marketing operations with AWS AI.
- [100:20]
Josh Pate
This proven technology turns resource intensive advertising processes into intelligent autonomous systems that deliver real time optimization on a global scale. Amazon's own transformation journey shows the true.
- [100:32]
Commercial Announcer
Power of enterprise AI innovation.
- [100:34]
Josh Pate
And now your organization can tap into the same technology that drives Amazon's advertising success. AWS AI Where Advertising Meets Intelligence Discover.
- [100:44]
Commercial Announcer
The Amazon ad story@aws.com AI Our-Story this.
- [100:51]
Podcast Advertiser
Is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed human.