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Week 13 Upset Alerts + CFP Chaos Scenarios & Lane Kiffin Latest
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Matt Rogers
This is Matt Rogers from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
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Bowen Yang
This is Bowen Yang from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
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Matt Rogers
Hey Bowen, it's gift season.
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Cole Kublick
Ugh.
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Bowen Yang
Stressing me out. Why are the people I love so hard to shop for?
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Matt Rogers
Probably because they only make boring gift guides that are totally uninspired. Except for the guide we made in.
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
It's giving gifts with categories like Best Gifts for the mom whose idea of sensible walking shoe is a stiletto or.
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Bowen Yang
Best Gifts for me that were so.
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Josh Pate
Thoughtful I really shouldn't have.
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Matt Rogers
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Josh Pate
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Josh Pate
You know, I tell people all the time it's a good thing I'm not a reporter. But Pate State Investigates has eyes everywhere. Our sourcing network is about as extensive as it possibly gets in the world of college football. So all I'm saying is if you think you're hiding things out there, especially flights, you are. From most people. But not from Pate State Investigates. But hey, look. Look at me. Look at me. Your secret safe with us. Yes, we're jam packed. We're high atop a stormy rain diluted downtown Nashville, Tennessee on this Thursday, November 20th. Date check. Yep, the year of our Lord 2025. Week 13 upset alerts on the show tonight got a lot of college football playoff chaos scenarios to go over. Also, we talked the other night, you and I, about the committee rankings and at the time we recorded the video Hunter Jurczyk and the playoff committee chair like he had done the five minute hit with Rhys Davis, but he hadn't done like the pool reporter interview session where far more egregious statements were made. So I've got some things to say about the playoff committee tonight. We got Cole Kublick on the show. Going to do a lot of good stuff with him tonight. Just about what could happen down the road. How should you run a coaching search? By the way, what are the least of the evils of running a coaching search right now? So we got a lot to get to. They're watching this in Hammond, Louisiana, Ocala, Florida, Detroit, Michigan, Portland, Oregon, where I will be later tonight. Believe it or not, I'm in Nashville right now. But not for long. Listen here, we're right around the corner from 500,000 subs. So if you're watching, we got a lot of new viewers and listeners, but mainly viewers on YouTube every show. Just make sure you subscribe to the channel. Subscribe. It is free. It doesn't cost you anything. It helps us. We're almost to 500,000 subs. If you think you are, thank you. But check to make sure you are because dozens of you DM me every show. When I ask you to do that and you say, oh, wait, I really thought I was sub, but I wasn't. Second thing I need you to do is come up with an idea for how we're gonna celebrate 500,000 subs. I don't want to be presumptuous, but we're about to get there. How do we celebrate it? What do we want? I've got some ideas, but most of my ideas suck. Jesse hasn't contributed one in weeks. Bradley, I don't think has come out of the truck in months. I need ideas from you. What do you want? All right, my balls are in your court. Let's continue and dive in and talk about what we lead every Thursday show with. Upset alerts. Week 13. In a rare move, I'm going eight deep on upset alerts tonight. The upset alert rules around here are not that. If I'm talking about the game, I'm picking the upset. And mainly a rookie mistake when people think that, no, we're going to pop the paper here and I'm just going to give you the game. I'm going to give you some thoughts on it and I'm going to let you know. Scale of 1 to 10, how concerned am I for the favorite? So first up, Miami is going to Virginia Tech. We've had this game on our radar for months. We've known that Miami the last two weeks of the regular season has to play on the road consecutive games in cold weather environments. What we didn't know in July is what the weather would be. Well.
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62 at kickoff in Blacksburg, Virginia in mid to late November will take it. Now there could be some showers early, but Miami's not going to play a single game all year where there's not rain apparently. Great year to be the offensive coordinator down there. Congrats to Shannon Dawson. You're going to play like 47 different rain games. Miami's got to go scorched earth here. They're favored by 17 and a half. They got to go scorched earth. They need style points. I hate that that exists, but it does exist right now for them and they need to score in bunches and let the chips fall where they may. It's a terrible matchup for Virginia Tech, so Miami should roll here and believe me, I say the word should in all caps. Virginia Tech's 115th and turnover margin. Miami is 12th now that didn't matter last week when, oh you looked like that against Alabama, but then they turned the tables entirely so you can't be letting Virginia Tech do that to you. Virginia Tech cannot throw the ball. They got to run it to win. Miami's top five in run defense. I'm going to put a four on this one. It's tough for me to see it like Miami's got some second life energy about themselves right now.
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So don't embarrass me. Next up, Kentucky at Vanderbilt. Vanderbilt on the fringes of playoff contention right now. The line is Vandy minus eight and a half. Kentucky, dare I say a motivated Mark Stoops is red hot right now. Kentucky's won three consecutive. That includes a trip to Auburn. That includes a game against Florida. Cutter Bowley can potentially make some throws here. Doesn't need to throw for 450 and 5. Just needs to do enough. What kind of focus do I have at Vanderbilt? Diego Pavia, who knows where he's been According to Instagram stories everywhere but Nashville the last couple of weeks. Clark Lee's had his name involved in some coaching searches. Now I got to tell you, I think Vandy will be dialed in. But I have to mention that those factors exist at least. I mean playoff hopes on the line here for the first time ever for Vanderbilt. Like yes, they need to be dialed in. Here's what's important for you to know. Huge schedule dynamic advantage here for Vanderbilt. Vandy is coming off a Buy this will be Kentucky's sixth consecutive game and they look like it on the injury report. They are badly banged up, so I'm going to put a six and a half on this. Vandy plays these tight games, but the schedule dynamic, plus you know, the, the tightrope walk that is playoff contention in November leads me to believe they'll get the job done. But it is a hot Kentucky team. Next up, Michigan is at Maryland. Michigan's favored by 13 and a half. They are off a comeback win against Northwestern. Turnovers were a huge issue for him. They won the game anyway. Got a pair of freshman quarterbacks going at it here. Justice Haynes is out from Michigan. Jordan Marshall, they're banged up. You know, it's the biggest look ahead spot the sport has to offer because they've got Ohio State coming in there. But the difference is this isn't like Auburn where their season's down the drain and they've got a rivalry game coming up which is going to be their Super Bowl. Michigan could still make the playoff. Michigan could still win the Big Ten and this is a conference game. So theoretically they should be dialed in. Now here's what could happen. Malik Washington, quarterback there at Maryland, could just have his career day. That could happen. You could have a distracted Michigan. They could get good turnover luck. Yes, these things could happen. And for those reasons, I'm going to put a five on this game. Michigan has won games without covering all year. We've made money on it. I think Michigan's going to cover in this game. I'm not betting a dime on it. I just have a sneaking suspicion they'll go in there, they'll get a good enough win. And then all eyes on Ann Arbor next Saturday at high noon. Current line for Ohio State and Michigan at FanDuel. Buckeyes minus 12 and a half. Next up, Kansas State goes to Utah. What happened? Where? Where did Kansas State go? What are they? I'm going to tell you what. They are the most average team on the planet. They're a 17 and a half point dog at Utah. Here's how average they are. I've got their defensive numbers in front of me right now. Kansas State Total defense, 78th in the country. Pass defense, 77th in the country. Rushing defense, 77th in the country. Points per game, 76th in the country to a little below average. Mathematically there. I got this Utah run game at home. They've still got a lot of playoff hopes. Kansas State I don't think can match that. It's a must win spot. Utah can taste it a little bit now. They can see it. You could argue whether they should be ranked as high as they are, but they are ranked as high as they are. I'm going to put a two and a half on the upset alert concern meter here.
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Crazier things have happened, but I don't see it. Next up, stay in the Big 12, Brigham Young, 2 1/2 point favorite at Cincinnati, night game in Cincy. I need to explain the spread to you. A lot of folks are going to look at the spread and say, oh man, BYU only a two and a half point favorite. It's a huge credit to BYU because a few weeks ago, if you looked at the future, if you looked at the futures market, they projected as a point spread, underdog in this game. So Brigham Young's kind of played their best ball now. They lost the game at Texas Tech. If you look at that group of games, they beat Utah, they beat Iowa State. I think they had their best game of the year last week against TCU. Just smoked TCU. The line was three and a half on that game. They won 44 to 13 because of that. They're actually a short favorite here since he's lost two straight. And you gotta, you gotta. This late in the season, you gotta ask yourself, did they mail it in or could we have one more bounce back effort here? Brigham Young, the edge in turnover margin. They got the edge in time of possession. They're a huge time of possession team. I know some of our friends, Parker Fleming chief among them, love turnover or love a time of possession. That's sarcastic. They really do love turnover margin. But Brigham Young, the less penalized team, those factors matter here. And I actually ended up picking the Cougars to win the game. I think it's the first time I've called them Cougars all year. But I got to put a 7 on it. I mean, point spreads under a field goal, so I got to put a 7 on it. I think it's a testament to my newfound loyalty to BYU that I only put a 7 on it. Next up, another low spread here. Tennessee. The team that has not won a game in Gainesville since I was in high school is, is a three and a half point favorite. 2003. That's the last time Tennessee won in the Swamp. They play down there every other year. Just so everyone out there who is not familiar with the yearly rivalries in the SEC understands this isn't that thing where you play someone and then don't see them again for a decade. So some of those, some of Those like anecdotal stats are misleading. No, they've played down there every other year since 03. They hadn't won down there. It's kind of a self contained game. I use that term sometimes and you'll see what I mean. If you turn this game on on Saturday, you'll see Florida's got an interim coach, there's nothing to play for, or so you think. And their season has long since been shot. And Tennessee also, they have their playoff hopes down the drain. You'll turn this game on and it'll be red hot. Crowd will be sold out. It'll be into it and you'll watch it and you'll say it's like nothing else matters but this game. You're describing what makes college football unique. The impact and the value on regular season games. Believe it or not, contrary to what the casuals tell you, there can be meaning on games that don't have playoff implications tied to them. This will be one of them. You'll turn on this game and it'll be wild and you should respect it. Florida's dropped three straight. Which Florida do we get? We saw Florida really battle Ole Miss. We saw them be non existent against Kentucky. Which Florida do we get? I'm going to put an 8 on this. When you hadn't won in a building since the George W. Bush administration and you've been playing down there every other year since then, you don't get anything assumed about you. So I assume chaos here. I'm going to put an 8 on it. And lastly, Pitt is at Georgia Tech. I'm just going to go ahead and tell you this is a 10 on the upset alert concern meter. It's possible the wrong team's favorite here. Well, Josh, Notre Dame took care of Pitt last week. Yeah, Georgia Tech's not Notre Dame, firstly. Secondly, it wasn't a must win game. Did you not listen to Pat Norduzzi? This is a must win game. That Georgia Tech defense, little drop off, little drop down in resistance compared to what Pitt had to face last week. 105th pass defense. So I think Pitt's going to be able to do some business here. Look, you can get Pitt through the air too. Problem is that's really not the stat profile for Georgia Tech. Georgia Tech wants to run it on you. Haynes. King's got to have like 50 million touches in a game and he will. And they got the home crowd at their back. I believe it's a night kickoff. They're favored by two and a half. I'm going to put a 10 on it. I'm terrified. I am terrified for Georgia Tech. They were wobbly last week. They've been wobbly for a few weeks now. But you know what? They've earned themselves the right to play a meaningful game here in late November.
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And to that I salute them. The one other game that I did not put in here. Oh man, Jesse, I missed it badly, didn't I? All right, well, we'll talk about it because it should be very much on the radar. Arkansas, Texas. I'm shaking. Texas is favored by eight and a half. Bobby Petrino still has not got that win that went the one that you remember whether he gets the job up there or not. The game you remember, the one he hangs his hat on, he really hadn't gotten that yet.
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Texas is in the 90s in total pass defense. Arkansas top 35 passing offense. It's another one of those games that if you just flip this one stat category turnover margin, that could be the difference. Texas is top 15 and Arkansas is 129th. That just means one team has taken care of the ball largely. One team has given the ball away largely. But over 1/4 quarter afternoon that can be randomized. There's going to be a lot of passing here from both teams that inserts a lot of turnover variants and I don't know what state of mind that I'm going to get Texas in. They're coming off the Georgia game. Everyone's talking about the A and M game and just Arkansas sneaking in there in between. I'm putting an 8 on the upset alert concern scale for that one. Thank you, Jesse. Quick trip fueling our trip all the way out to Portland. We're going out to Portland, Oregon a little bit later tonight. We will be on the sidelines for USC Oregon on Saturday. Going to spend all day on campus tomorrow up in Eugene, which is great. It's pouring in Nashville. I got to get out of the I got to go to Oregon to get out of the rain. What a world we live in. Not wearing cotton hoodies today either. So we appreciate Kwik trip for fueling the Fall Don't Lie tour. It's been a highly successful tour so far as tours go. The Eugene version of the Fall Don't Lie Tour T shirt is in the paint state store right now. Patestatematerial.com that will be available for about the next two days and then it'll be gone forever. We put a new shirt in the store for each stop that we make on the tour and then sometime in December or January, we'll just release the shirt that has all the tour stops on it, like a concert tour T shirt. It's going to be great at that point. That's probably all I'll wear for the first quarter of 2026 or so. Appreciate Kwik Trip for making all that possible.
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Matt Rogers
This is Matt Rogers from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
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Bowen Yang
This is Bowen Yang from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
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Matt Rogers
Hey, Bowen, it's gift season.
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Bowen Yang
Oh, stressing me out. Why are all the people I love so hard to shop for like me? Exactly, exactly, honey.
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Matt Rogers
I'm easy. But you're right, holiday gifting is stressful.
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Bowen Yang
And all the gift guides out there are boring and uninspired.
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Matt Rogers
Wait, what about the guide we made.
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Bowen Yang
In partnership with Marshalls where premium gifts mean incredible value?
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Matt Rogers
It's Giving Gifts, a series of guides filled with premium gifts at great value for everyone on your list.
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Bowen Yang
Yeah, because if I see one more for the dad who likes golf list, I'm out.
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Cole Kublick
Right?
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Matt Rogers
How about something for the people who.
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Bowen Yang
Actually surprise you with categories like best gifts for the mom whose idea of a sensible walking shoe is a stiletto. Psst, she wants a PA Stilettos.
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Matt Rogers
Or best gifts for me that were so thoughtful, I really shouldn't have dying.
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Bowen Yang
To see what those are.
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Matt Rogers
And you won't believe their prices.
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Bowen Yang
Just wait till you see what else is in there. It's basically a one stop shop for everyone.
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Matt Rogers
You know, I started bookmarking half the list for myself.
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Bowen Yang
Honestly, this is the guide for the 2025 holiday gifting season.
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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Fullest potential to create smarter business?
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My one advice to them, pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive. Yeah, so we are not asking our clients to be the first experiment on it. We say you can leverage what we did. We are happy to bring out all our learnings, including what needs to change in the process. Because the biggest change is not Technology. It's getting people to accept that there's a different way to do things.
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Josh Pate
To listen to the full conversation, visit IBM.com smarttalks.
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Josh Pate
Let's move on. College football playoff chaos scenarios. At this point, they're inevitable. We just have to ask ourselves to what level does the chaos reach? Is it a 6? Is it an 8? Is it a 9.95? So three scenarios that I got my eye on right now and remember, for everyone saying it's going to work itself out, we got two weeks left. I don't think it's going to work itself out. I'm just going to be real with you. I don't think it's all going to work itself out at this point. So I want to begin tonight by talking to you about what we would call the 10 and 2 conundrum. The 10 and 2 conundrum is pretty self explanatory. It's this logjam of teams, and we're going to get some combination of these teams. There are too many to have this all wiped out and for it to, quote, unquote, take care of itself. So right now, realistically, we could see the following teams Finish with a 102 record. Georgia, Texas Tech, Oregon, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Alabama, Brigham Young, Utah, Miami, Vandy, usc, Michigan. Certainly not all of them are. You could shave half of that list off and you're still going to have a log jam there, especially as it relates to the conference title conundrum, which I'm going to bring up in just a second. So imagine what was that, Jesse? Two, four. That's 12 teams that realistically could be in this mix. I mean, one thing has to happen, or maybe a couple of things, or nothing else has to happen, and some of these teams just need to win out. So the first question on my mind is what happens to the Notre Dame, Miami comparative pool thing at that point? Like, how close are they put together? Oregon, usc. You know, if USC wins this Saturday, is Oregon just knocked all the way out? Can they resurrect their hopes by beating Washington the next week? I'd be very interested in where Brigham Young is compared to Utah because they beat them. What about Alabama and Vanderbilt? What about USC and Michigan? Remember, if Michigan beats Ohio State next week? Well, first off, if they take care of Maryland and then they beat Ohio State, they're going to the Big Ten championship game. And so they'd be 10 and 2, 10 and 3 at worst. Where is USC in relation to Michigan? Because USC has the head to head over Michigan. It'll all work itself out. They tell me, I don't believe you. I'm wagging the index finger. I straight up don't believe you. The next one we would call the week 14 mega riser chaos scenario. So the week 14 mega riser scenario would involve teams like Texas or Vanderbilt or Georgia Tech or maybe Michigan, teams that play really highly ranked opponents at the end. Teams that if they pull off an upset, and especially if they pull off a resounding upset, could insert this wild, unforeseen data point at the very last minute into the committee's hands. And we're sitting there on Selection Sunday wondering, wow, what are they about to do with this? Like, what's going to happen? So Texas A and M goes to Texas. Texas is 17th right now. I certainly think it's a long shot for them to make the playoff at three losses. However, what if they just beat a and M35 to 10 or something like that just like a really, really weird, emphatic, resounding upset and then their season's done and they're just, they're nine and three and they just got one of the best wins of the season. How high could they jump? At the very least, it would be a plus. You know, since it's Texas, that drum would get beat for an entire week. What about Vandy? So Vandy goes to Tennessee. Let's say Tennessee beats Florida this week, which is a chore. Let's say they beat Florida this week. And so you've got a, you got a really, really strong Tennessee team on the road and Vandy beats him and they, you know, beat them pretty good. They should just beat, beat them and then say, we're 10 and two, we're from the SEC, let us in. But especially if it's resounding, how high can Vanderbilt jump? What if Georgia Tech upsets Georgia twofold? Number one, it's Georgia's second loss, so they joined the ranks of the two loss conundrum group. And number two, Georgia Tech, who is at 16 right now. What if they jump up to number nine or number 10 because they're in the ACC championship game? Possibly. But if they're in the ACC championship game and they're like 13th and they lose, they're not going to the playoff. But if they're ninth or 10th and they lose the ACC championship game, that's a whole different conversation because the committee has talked about not punishing teams who otherwise would be in the playoff for playing in a conference title game. So that's something to watch. And of course Ohio State, Michigan, like Michigan's the best position because Michigan has an opportunity to get the best win anyone's had all year by beating Ohio State at the very end of the year. And you could make Ohio State look wobbly, but also you could get a win that would be your fifth straight. So aside from just the absolute 10 out of 10 volume on Ryan Day in Ohio State and all that would entail. We remember what that sounds like. We've heard it multiple years in a row. Michigan would be going to the Big Ten championship game, possibly depending on how the tiebreaker works out. That has a lot to do with USC, but they're at 18 right now. Now they beat Maryland this week. It doesn't look like they'll jump a whole lot from that. But if they beat Ohio state, that's a 10.
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Cole Kublick
2.
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Josh Pate
Michigan, who would have wins over Ohio State, but they'd also have a win over Washington. Their losses would Be to Oklahoma and USC, who were two top 15ish teams right now. That would be a playoff resume. Just crazy stuff that could happen. And then number three, the conference title conundrum. So the conference title conundrum is as you're trying to figure out what that playoff bubble is going to look like, you know, the 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, like that range will remember. We could have Alabama go to the SEC championship game and lose.
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We could have Brigham Young go to the Big 12 championship game and lose. We could have Michigan go to the Big ten championship game and lose. And the reason that's important is because I think Bama will be in the top 10 if they beat Auburn. So they'll. If they go to the SEC championship game, they'll be in the top 10. Brigham Young, where will they be? Because they're number 11 right now. So if they win the remaining games, will they be a top 10 team entering that Saturday? It's a very important note to be aware of Michigan, if they beat Ohio State, do they vault up into the top 10? Cause if any of them are in the top 10, and I say top 10 instead of top 12 because at 1112 spot, it's kind of artificial because you got to have a conference champion there. You got to have a G5 team in there and that's probably the spots they hold. So if you're trying to get on that large spot because you're not going to win your conference, you need to be 10 or higher going into conference championship Saturday because if you lose that game, then we got to test the committee and see whether they're going to drop you out. They claim that is unlikely to happen. I'm claiming for them it's unlikely to happen. But if we have three examples of that. If Brigham Young and Michigan and Bama all somehow got themselves in the top 10 and then they all went and lost on that Saturday. Is someone dropping out or are you just punishing? Well, not punishing. Are you victimizing some other at large teams who have an equal number of wins but one fewer loss because their added loss came on a day where the other ones didn't play? I know it sounds complicated. Also, you know, a real fun side project there. Everyone's talking about Notre Dame as it relates to Miami right now. Well, what if we get that kind of logjam? Notre Dame's not invincible. Like they're not immune from being affected by that either. I want to let you know something. We have got a live show coming up. December 5th, Buckhead Theater, Atlanta, Georgia, the night before the SEC championship game. We'll have a live event there. It's not a show like you're seeing me do right now. I want to make sure to note that it's a full on live event. I'll be on stage. Some friends of the program who I haven't announced yet will be on stage. It'll be really fun. We'll have exclusive merch there that you can only get at the event. We'll have a lot of back and forth with the audience. It will not be broadcast anywhere. What happens at the live event stays at the live event. We'll. We'll take a blood oath at the door. I'm told it'll be safe. It'll be clean. Just a little quick finger prick and. No, that's not happening. At least I don't know that that's happening. But you know, trust tree. Trust tree there at the Buckhead theater. So those tickets are on sale right now. Patestatematerial.com you'll see it. You'll see the live show tab as soon as you go there. Looking forward to that.
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Matt Rogers
This is Matt Rogers from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
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Bowen Yang
This is Bowen Yang from Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
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Matt Rogers
Hey, Bowen. It's gift season.
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Bowen Yang
Ugh, stressing me out. Why are all the people I love so hard to shop for like me? Exactly, honey.
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Matt Rogers
I'm easy.
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Cole Kublick
But you're right.
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Matt Rogers
Holiday gifting is stressful.
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Bowen Yang
And all the gift guides out there are boring and uninspired.
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Matt Rogers
Wait, what about the guide we made.
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Bowen Yang
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Him how can companies use AI to its fullest potential to create smarter business?
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My one advice to them Pick areas you can scale. Don't pick the shiny little toys on the side. For example, if anybody has more than 10% of what they had for customer service 10 years ago, they're already five years behind it. If anybody is not using AI to make their developers who write software 30% more productive today with the goal of being 70% more productive.
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Josh Pate
All right, let's continue.
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Look, the Lane Kiffin latest. Hank from Memphis hit me up. He said, why haven't we heard anything from you about the Ole Miss ultimatum they supposedly gave to Lane Kiffin? Well, because he's not the only one in that position. That's the reason I haven't spoken about that. And what he's talking about, what Hank's referring to there is. There is widely held belief that Ole Miss is going to demand an answer from Lane Kiffin before the Egg bowl next week about his future. For what it's worth, I believe that's accurate. Now, whether or not Keith Carter has kicked Lane's door open in the middle of the afternoon and said, you got 48 hours, or he's slapped a piece of paper down on his desk that says ultimatum at the top is a matter of semantics. The general principle here is, yes, I believe Ole Miss will push hard to know, just as I would if I were them, what Lane's intentions are before they get caught with their pants down and then they're scrambling. Call that whatever you want. The reason I haven't talked about it on the show is cause it's not just a Lane Kiffin thing. It's just the widest hot spotlight is on Lane. But if you're going to talk about the idea that there's a coaching search surrounding a guy whose team could be headed to the playoffs, I'm going to counter with this. Why are you not asking that about Brent Key? Why are you not asking that about Clark Lee? Why are you not asking that about John Sumrall? Are all those guys not in a position where their team may make the playoffs? Are all of those guys not in a position where their names being thrown around for open jobs? Are all of those guys not potentially in a spot where they may need to make a decision shortly after the finish of the regular season? By my estimation, they all are. So it's not just a Lane thing. People have just chosen to talk about it with Lane Kiffin. But if I were Hank, if I were to do the segment on Lane, I'd have to do one on the other three there. I will say this again. I do expect that to be the case. I do expect, if it hasn't happened already, again, semantics here. I do expect Keith Carter and the administration there at Ole Miss to push and demand something from Lane Kiffin. Now, whether Kiffin gives them what they want in the form of an answer. Is up to him. And then it's up to them what their contingency plans are if he doesn't give them one. But man, just consider the landscape next week. It's Thursday night right now. Consider the landscape next week. It's Thanksgiving week. It's rivalry week. It's the last week of the regular season. So you'll have what you're normally focused on, which is your family and travel and playing your rival one or two days after Thanksgiving. That week's always a mess for college football fans. That week's always a conflict of focus. It's a good name for a tour next year. But then on top of all that, just heap on pound after pound of Ole Miss speculation. And then if Lane stays, that's a huge deal for Ole Miss. And then Florida and or LSU have to go with Plan B. Or maybe he takes one of those jobs. At which point we're finding out what Ole Miss is going to do and we're finding out what the school that didn't get Lane is going to do. That could have a ripple effect with maybe Missouri, because Drink is up for a lot of these jobs. John Sumrall at Tulane may be going to a conference title game that week, which is added drama because that's not something Drink or Lane or any of the other guys are really dealing with right now. What's he going to do? How does that affect the Auburn search? Penn State feels like it's on the moon because a lot of these candidates aren't involved there. But maybe Coach Chesney there, James Madison is. And then we've got Arkansas. And I got no clue what Arkansas is going to do, nor do they right now. They've interviewed half the country. I think I've been interviewed for the Arkansas job twice. I say that sarcastically, but, like, I really do hope Arkansas gets it figured out. All that's going to be happening next week, slash weekend. That Sunday could be insane. And really, if you think about it, some of these teams play on Friday, so it won't even have to wait until then. It could be in motion on Saturday. You could have breaking news on threes. Pete Nakos could be breaking news on Saturday as games are going on. If it sounds unprecedented, it's because it is.
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One of our friends of the program hit us up from Las Vegas and he said when are we going to admit moving around ranked wins is illogical and inconsistent for college football? And he gave a bunch of examples. And really the message is when are we going to talk about the playoff committee's inconsistency? And the answer is every single day for the rest of the year on this show. I kid a little bit. It's a mess. I know it's a mess. You know it's a mess. Anyone who watched the playoff selection show Tuesday night, if you didn't know before, now you know it's a mess. I thought it was a disaster of a show. Well produced. The in studio talent, well they were at Madison Square Garden that night. But those guys did great. Reese Davis asked the best questions I've heard, asked the answers. He got left a lot to be desired. So like for example, what you're talking about there now is there are people out there who are trying to conveniently give credit to Oregon for beating Penn State. Cause Penn State was a different team then than they are now, which I agree with. But then they're not giving credit to other teams. So it's almost like they've got the rankings the way they want them and then after they're set then they like reverse engineer logic conveniently and you know, like selectively and if it looks that way it's. Cause that's how it is. So I don't want to rehash all this. It's a few days old now. There were so many terrible examples. There was so much inconsistency and misapplied logic presented by Hunter Jureczyk. The other night, who is the playoff committee chair, new playoff committee chair, that we could do a whole show on it. I was. I was blown away. It's the worst I've ever seen playoff rankings explained to the point where I've never really talked about this on the show before. But I think they should just admit the dirty secret and lean into it. The dirty secret is and lean in. I know this is going to shock a lot of you. Those people don't watch all the college football games, nor do they really need to because they're not ranking the teams. What's happened every year on the committee, what's happened is there's been theater and there's been presentation and performance and man, we're going to gather in Grapevine, Texas, and we're going to lock all these people in a room and then we're going to tell you that they're deliberating like jurors, and then they're going to come out with their verdict in the form of playoff rankings every Tuesday night. And then we're going to pretend like we're not getting them into our hand until right when we flash them on the screen. And 90% of that's BS. What really happens is there's a preset computer model that pumps those teams out and it spits it out. 98% of the work's done. And at that point, if they want to manually adjust here or there, that's the extent of the involvement with that committee. That's really what's happening here. The problem is, for quite a while, they did an okay job of pretending. So the theater of the mind I was willing to buy into. It's kind of known behind the scenes how this really works. But now that they suck so bad at pretending they're the ones ranking the teams. They need to just admit what's really going on. That's what they really need to do. Because really, if I was wrong about that, their rankings would look a whole lot different than the old BCS rankings. But we still have access to the BCS formula. So every week there are several Twitter accounts. If you don't believe me, go find them that spit out what the BCS rankings would have been. Magically, the playoff committee rankings look strikingly similar to the BCS rankings. It's cause they didn't tinker with the formula all that much. They just built this new presentation around it. They built this new illusion around it, and they built a committee. And all the committee does is go down there and eat crackers behind A closed door, have them probably take a nap, and then they show up Tuesday, and they're probably wearing shorts from the waist down, but a suit and tie from the waist up. And they pretend like they ranked the teams and they watched all the games. Really what they did is they got some rankings spat out in their lap, and then they kind of have to explain it in a way that makes it look like they're their rankings. That only works if you're good at explaining it. But if you suck at explaining it, you need to just drop the act and you need to say, this is what the computer gave us. I'd take that at this point over what we heard with, like, the Notre Dame Bama argument the other night. I mean, I got no problem if the computer spits out Notre Dame over Alabama, which, as far as I could tell, it would have. That's not the problem. Problem is 99% of the country is unaware of your procedure. So they really do think you're ranking these teams. And when you come out and you start talking about stupidity, like, oh, how many rushing yards does Alabama really have in some of these games? Or you're talking about comparing losses when it comes to Notre Dame and Miami, even though one of Notre Dame's losses is to Miami. And I'm looking at a lot of people who, frankly, I respect, but they're making such anecdotal arguments, and me knowing full well if I did nothing but keep the resumes the same but switch the logos, they'd make the exact opposite argument. I can't stand that. And I was looking at when they were doing the Alabama Notre Dame comparison the other night, and they keep bringing up the Florida State loss. And I got no problem with you bringing up the Florida State loss. It was a terrible loss. But when I watch Bama go beat Georgia, in my mind, that can't. It doesn't cancel. It balances out that Florida State loss. A great win should have the same effect on your resume that a bad loss has. But then that's not where Bama's resume is done. They got to win over Vandy, and they got to win over Missouri on the road. Then they got to win over Tennessee. So they've more than balanced that out. And then they go lose to Oklahoma at home. That's a competitive loss against the top 15 team, which brings them to the exact same record Notre Dame has. And then I start getting offensive numbers thrown in my face. And I just want to remind you guys, like, if you want to throw stats out, these are the total defenses Notre Dame's faced 1111-231291-32107. Oh, by the way, they're going to wrap up with 125 and 104. I don't care about it. But since you're making these like half cocked arguments, I'll give you some in return. So just be honest about the process. That's what I'd love to see. Reminder. Actually, I haven't told you about this yet. I think I told you once a little while ago. 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Josh Pate
You know him. You love him. Well, I mean, at the very least, you know him, I assume. Cole Kublick, SEC Network Cube show podcast, Tuesday date night podcast, Western Kentucky, LSU this weekend. You look like you have something that's about to spill out of your mouth. Go ahead.
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Cole Kublick
No, I was. I don't have to hear my wife complain about you not promoting the podcast. I'm excited about that. Thank you.
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Josh Pate
We both got tired of that, so I rectified the situation.
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Cole Kublick
So Shane Beamer shouting out your show.
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Josh Pate
Yeah, about that. And good for you, by the way. Good for you for getting on Beamer's radar. He shouted out Cole Kublick earlier this week, which was basically his payback for Cooper protagonist. That was Cooper protectness payback more so than anything. Now you know how it feels. Yeah.
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Cole Kublick
Yes. No. Never had my name mispronounced in 40 plus years on this earth. So. Yes. Is it really stung?
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Josh Pate
So all the coaching searches are happening right now. I've listened to you guys on radio in Birmingham all week. You're talking about it. We've been talking about it. Everybody's talking about it. I'm just sitting here thinking to myself, all right, like, it's as we're, as we're talking right now, it's pouring rain in Nashville, Tennessee. So if I needed to get to my car across the parking lot, there's short of having an umbrella, there's no scenario where I can get to my car without getting wet. To me, running a coaching search right now is we know we're going to get wet. It's just, how do we stay as dry as possible getting to the car? There is no perfect way to do this at this point. There is no perfect way to run a coaching search at this point. If you're going to run one. Now, if you're just going to keep your guy, like maybe FSU just keeps Mike Norvell and they avoid all this. But if you're Florida, if you're Auburn, if you're Penn State, the calendar is such that you gotta get your guy in place by that recruiting window, by the portal window, or at least you gotta do it or die trying, figuratively. So I got a thought on this. Like, strategically, if I were running a crisis management firm or if I were an athletic director and I were trying to map it out, if I were a candidate for these jobs and I were trying to map it out, I've got what would be my approach. I'm not saying it's totally ethical, not on the up and up per se, but it is technically legal. I've consulted with the state legal team, got a good law school here, so it's technically legal. It's how I would do it. But I want to tease you with that and I want to see how you would do it first. You've watched all these things play out. You've watched how Auburn's doing their business, how Florida and LSU are doing their business, Penn State, Arkansas, who knows what. Arkansas may not have a coach. They may not hire anyone at this point. It may just kind of be open and they may just like rotate guys in D line, coach coaches one week. But how would you run it? Like, what's the best way to do.
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Cole Kublick
It right now you mentioned the college football calendar and that you have points in the calendar that you need to defeat or get in front of or be finished with by, I would say, even move that up more. That would be my philosophy. Now here's the difference is I don't think that all needs to be done publicly, but I do think that this is get it as done as fast as humanly possible. That could be between you and I. It could be handshake, it could be contract signed in a drawer somewhere, and we're not going to do anything with it until it's time to go public. But we know we've got it. Both sides have done more than just verbally agree with the handshake. And we're moving forward, trying to assemble staff behind the scenes, trying to retain our roster, so on and so forth. Remember Stone old Stone Cold Steve Austin had like the DTA era where it was like, don't trust anybody. I think you have to take that mantra as well. Be it agents, be it media, be it people. Maybe you've worked with prior that are at other schools. You have to be extremely careful with the information that you're allowing to get out and who knows what you're doing, why you're doing it, and maybe what you're going to go do next. We've seen some very successful coaching searches be very quiet in the past. I think about Greg Byrne in Alabama a couple years ago. I think there were some of us that thought Caitlin DeBoer had a really good chance to get it. But nationally, Josh, I don't remember that being the drum that everybody was banging for two or three weeks and we were just waiting. It was a matter of time until that thing got done. It was swift, it was quick, it got finished in a hurry. He went and got him and got it done and that was it. It was probably done a couple of days before we even found out that it was going to be done. So I think you have to rush to complete it personally. If you have your guy now, you should have never fired your coach. If you didn't have a guy, if you didn't at least have a list of names in that drawer that you knew you could attack and you knew you could get to your place. If you can't do that, don't fire your coach. Give it another year. Wait until you have that list generated, maybe have the relationships in place to be able to go get that person and then be able to go do it. Second would be you better have a good fallback plan because there's a lot of these that do not go according to your wish list or your desires or the fan base's desires or a booster's desire, you better have two and three teed up ready to go. Because once you get past one, if two and three aren't ready and then the calendar gets in the way or an extension gets in the way or something else happens with a family member, now you're in trouble and you're going to scramble and you're going to get force fed somebody that you and the fan base and maybe the boosters don't want. So get it done as fast as you can, don't trust anybody and have a plan going in. Have a plan before you even fire your coach initially what you're going to want to go do.
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Josh Pate
I've had Greg Byrne lay out the entire process to me before. That's the most fun conversations to have when there's nothing to hide anymore. And you get athletic directors, one on one, have them just tell you the story and if they confide in you, they'll tell you the story. But I think what Greg Byrne wouldn't mind being publicized is it wasn't a situation where they looped 37 different boosters in and said, hey, do I have your okay on this? I'm the athletic director at Alabama, a legend, just retired. I got to get this thing done. It's a really weird part of the calendar right now. And so, like, the way he laid it out to me is the way you avoid a public coaching search is, number one, don't loop in a whole lot of people, and number two, have the search done before the search begins. So if you're a sitting athletic director, I mean, everyone always talks about having the names in the top drawer. There's a difference in having some names you'd be interested in versus already having vetted all those names, done the due diligence on all those names, done your homework on all those names, where you really are comfortable that Nick Saban retires today. I can fly to Seattle tomorrow. I know I want him. That's the difference. But then that was also atypical, and it's kind of apples to oranges to what's happening right now. So let me bounce my plan off of you, see how you feel about it. It's not. You're not going to feel great about it. I don't feel great about it. But what I would do if my name was floated early is I would do a version of what Kurt Signitti did. I would do a version of what Matt Rule did. I would let it be publicized that I just signed a new deal with my school. I just really wouldn't change the buyout parameters. Or I would change the buyout parameters slightly. And I would count on maybe if I was going to take the Penn State job, and I'm speaking strictly generically here, so no one out there read into anything I'm saying about a specific school. I would count on a place like Penn State who maybe just fired their coach, having that coach get a new job where the buyout that they're having to pay is mitigated to begin with. Therefore, if they're having to pay mine, it doesn't matter if my school tacked on another 3 million. Like, they're not really going to view that as some insurmountable hurdle, like with. With James Franklin, just as an example. So people know what I'm talking about. Initially, they were going to be on the hook for, like, 50 million. Well, now they're on the hook for 9 million. So if I'm over here coaching at paid State, and I signed a new deal. And you're going to have to pay me 3 million more than you were otherwise going to have to pay. Nobody cares. But in the aggregate, I take my name out of the headlines like as soon as these. As soon as Kurt Signetti, who I don't believe is going anywhere, again, to reiterate, but as soon as Kurt Signetti signed that new deal, his name was whoosh. It was gone from all the coaching searches. So what I do is I just sign a new deal. I wouldn't change the buyout structure, and I would look my ad in the face and I would say, you and I both know if I have a good relationship with him, my name's going to be up for these jobs. Okay? So we're going to have to deal with that eventually, no matter what. In the meantime, if you want to avoid all this drama, let's just work this out in week four or week five. Let's turn the noise all the way down. Let's mute it. We'll still deal with it when the time comes. Maybe I'm going to leave, maybe I'm not. But in the interim, at least we don't have to deal with the noise that John Sumrall is dealing with, that Lane Kiffin's dealing with, mostly by choice, that Eli Drinkwitz is dealing with. Those guys are dealing with this stuff every day. Cause it's not going anywhere. You don't control how big a mess the college football calendar is right now. You can at least control whether you sign a new deal, even if it's cosmetic. Okay. The public doesn't know it's cosmetic. Reporters don't know it's cosmetic. And I kind of need it to stand up for a few months. I don't need it to stand up for a few years. Thoughts?
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Cole Kublick
Well, I do. But you and I have talked about candidates, possible candidates, even this cycle. And the phrase, well hasn't necessarily signed that extension yet. So that might not be something that's publicized or that a lot of people in the media discuss and talk about. We both know it's very real. But I do like your idea of getting things to just die down and kind of go away and at least keep the noise from infiltrating your building, which we know a lot of coaches are having to deal with right now. And that headache's not something that's going to slow down. It's usually just going to ramp up and speed up. So I like that part of it. I don't think that that prevents everything from either being a distraction or being thrown your way. It's not going to keep everybody from coming at you. But it's not what you want anyway, as you just laid out. You just want the people that you don't want to deal with or you don't want to have to handle not to talk to you anymore or not to continue to bring your name up. So it's a solid strategy. I could see it working out to an extent.
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Josh Pate
I don't feel great about it, but I don't feel great about anything right now to move on a little bit here.
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Cole Kublick
But I mean, you're also, you're also lying to an entire university and a fan base and I'm not lying to him. Sure.
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Josh Pate
I'm, I'm telling you part of my strategy here. So if you're lying, you're deviating from my strategy and shame on you. Whichever camera I'm looking at, shame on you if you do. I would be straight up with my athletic director now. If my AD balks at it, then I say, okay, we're just going to have a drama filled second half of the season. Oh, well. And that's no worse than what it was going to be anyway. I'm just trying to take proactive measures here. Help me help you is all you're saying.
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Cole Kublick
You want the school to put it out. You're not going to address it in the media and say, oh, I'm so happy to be here. We're building so much. I'm so excited. I like it here. And once we get that new indoor facility, things are going to be great. And if they could really just give me more of staff pool, we'd be doing fine. And you know, the nil budget is going to go up apparently, and then everything will be great here. We'll love it here. Once all that.
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Josh Pate
What I'm saying is someone's got to be the bad guy and I don't want it to be me.
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I don't get why that's a problem.
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Cole Kublick
So here's one other part of it. Your athletic director is going to agree with you. To publicly go forward facing with admitting that in the future he's failing is what you're asking him to do.
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Josh Pate
No, no, it doesn't have to look like that. It has to. If we do it right. If we actually.
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Cole Kublick
If he signs you to an extension. If he signs you to an extension and goes public with it to avoid all the mess and then you jet four months later, he failed because he led everyone to believe that he had you renewed and extended and then you're gone.
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Josh Pate
Yeah, but I think if all the parameters of the contract are met, that just means someone came in with a bigger checkbook and bought me out of here. I don't think it makes the ad look bad. It makes it look like he made every attempt possible to keep me.
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Cole Kublick
Oh, once the. Once the Ross Dellingers and the Pete Nakosis.
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Josh Pate
Nakei.
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Cole Kublick
Pete Nakei and the Brett McMurphys get a hold of that thing and the Pete Thamils and they see that the contract, the buyout wasn't negotiated or renegotiated or changed, that ad is going to. He's going to take a beating in the public, I promise.
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Josh Pate
Not my problem at that point.
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Cole Kublick
Once again, it's not your problem, but you're not lying to anybody. You're being straight.
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Josh Pate
I said it was a strategy. I didn't say there wouldn't be casualties. I just said I don't want to be. I don't want to be dead amongst you. That was all I'm saying. All right. So there's a lot of noise around a lot of guys. As you'll notice, the noise has temporarily died down a little bit on Mike Norvell at Florida State. So I was going to ask you, in this last two weeks, you can even take it into the postseason if you want to. But, like, we got a couple of weeks left. There's a ton still to sort out. So it's really foggy out here in the college football streets. What are some of the things that have your attention the most? Because Florida State's one of them for me. Like Norvell, with all the noise that was around him for a little while, seems to have died down for a second. However, they go to NC State and they go to Florida to finish the year. They are, oh and three on the road this year. So if they drop one or both of those games, especially if they're ugly games, I think that noise could crank right back up. It could be that they've just kind of tamped down the talk right now and still fully intend on making a move there. So, like, I haven't totally looked away from the Florida State situation.
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Cole Kublick
You know how the new, the new gimmick in a lot of these athletic departments is to name the position room after said booster. Whatever it is, like the Josh Paid offensive line coach, the cold Kubelik receivers coach, Mike Norvell is in the Sam Pittman room right now. And we all know it's going to happen. It's a matter of when. There's no resurrecting this, there's no saving it. So for me, that's not going to grab a ton of my attention when I know this is going to happen at some point and it might be next year. Just like with Sam Pittman and we were all surprised that he hung around for an extra year. I was okay with it. But the majority of the people that pay attention to college football thought in the back of their mind, this is over. You could say Billy Napier was in that room earlier this year. It was going to end, it was going to be done. It's just we didn't know exactly when that was going to take place one week a month into the season, maybe even week three of next year. But it's going to happen, it's going to take place. So I'm not going to pay a ton of attention to that because I put Mike Norvell in that soon to be fired category with some other coaches that we just referenced. I'm a more hyper focused on what teams are going to be going into the postseason. I think there's a couple of teams that have facets of what they do that there's not a lot you can do about it and there's not a lot that certain teams are going to be able to do to offset it. You look at Oklahoma, what that front seven did to Alabama last week, now you'll see turnovers and this, well, Oklahoma forced some of those turnovers. Like they made life miserable for Alabama in ways in which they couldn't offset that. Who's built to be able to offset that in a playoff setting and how many games, maybe consecutively, could Oklahoma see someone and that be that much of a problem that is going to allow them to advance? If special teams, the kicking game or the quarterback aren't doing their part to take over a football game, I think Julian saying at Ohio State now a lot of people are going to say his receivers, but I'm going to tell you, Josh, you watch his last two games. There are four or five throws in each one of those games that are so wow worthy it's almost not believable. And then you see he's completing 80% of his passes on the year and you say to yourself that's how he's completing 80% of his passes because he's literally throwing the ball through defensive backs. That's the way it appears on film because the coverage is there, it's in phase, the hand is up and all Of a sudden Jeremiah Smith comes up with a football and you just think that didn't just happen, but it did happen. How much better can that get? Can that offense add other facets around it to essentially make them unstoppable? Maybe some facets of teams that I think are getting close to that. I look at Georgia's offense right now and how multifaceted they are. Everything that they are asking Gunner Stockton to do. It's a little bit similar to say Alabama with all the different things he's being asked to do. He's under center, he's turning his back to the defense in play action. Hell, last week he's faking fullback belly and bootlegging around on 4th and 1 and throwing passes, shotgun zone read. Know that the edge of the line of scrimmage is going to crash the mess. He's going to get hit, has to get rid of the football. His touch down the field has improved immense. He's literally doing everything. And then you add that sort of just gamer aspect to what he does. How much better is the offensive line, some of the other skill guys going to be around him moving forward to where they might just have so much that no defense can really manage that. I look at a Marcel Reed at Texas A and M. He needs to continue to grow as a passer. I think that offensive line at times is dominant. You have wide receivers at times are dominant. But you had four drops in the first half last week, two of those in the end zone. So can Marcia. And he had a bad interception going in for a score that I know he would love to have back. How much can he grow over the next few weeks to where maybe that offense is consistently on par with what that defense has been and maybe both sides of the football become that for Texas A and M in the postseason. The balance of Indiana, does that just continue? And maybe all of this is for nothing because a team in the last game of the season completely wets the bed and then does what Ohio State did last year and goes on and makes a run to the playoff and wins the national title.
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Josh Pate
Yeah. You know a team that can't do that but can ruin someone else's season is Auburn. So you and I won't talk on the show, at least again until the Iron Bowl. But I'm really interested in that too, number one, because it's a rivalry game and that's the best thing about college football. So that stands alone. Number two, I don't think anyone can ignore the playoff implications, SEC championship implications. Also, you've got an ongoing coaching search at Auburn, which DJ Durkin has his name in the mix for. And you know, it wouldn't be the total craziest thing in the history of college football for you to shake your snow globe and tell me, hey, Auburn's going to win that game 30 to 20. And riding a wave of momentum, Durkin's going to have like tons of fan support. He ends up getting the job. It would be the craziest thing I've ever seen happen. So you got that. If that goes Auburn's way, kickoff temperature in the upper 30s according to James Spann. Kickoff temperature, upper 30s. So if that goes that way, then you've also got on the other side of the seesaw. How are they talking about Kalin the next Monday? And that's just when you're on radio. They won't wait until the next Monday. But imagine that conversation. Imagine Bama missing the playoffs two years in a row. So, yeah, that swing based on the outcome of that game. Because then you're also opening a playoff spot up for someone else. You're opening a spot in the SEC Championship game up for someone else. Yeah, tons of dominoes from the Iron bowl.
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Cole Kublick
And it's gonna. There's a. Here's the. Here's. I think the big roll of the dice in that game is it doesn't appear as though Ashton Daniels is going to play quarterback this week at Auburn. Okay. It's been reported today Deuce Night's going to start. This is actually something Hugh Freeze told us when we had that game going into the Missouri game. He said, we're trying to figure out how to red shirt Ashton Daniels. That was not something anybody was really talking about at that point in time. So we were a little caught off guard. He said, maybe you make Mercer a Deuce Night game, but I have to not play him in this one. He doesn't. And then obviously we saw what happened against Kentucky a few weeks later and he's good to go. Not playing in this game against Mercer. Well, what does that give them some extra time to prepare? Is he healthier than he was against Vanderbilt a couple of weeks ago? Are you able to implement some things with him that you haven't put on film just yet that could catch that Alabama defense off guard, catch them by surprise. You could also look at it from the standpoint of he's going to have a week off of not playing in the game. Hasn't played in a ton of games this year anyway. Is that advantage Alabama as to how he reacts Once he's in that game, in that situation, you just don't know which direction that's going to go. That one's going to come down to can the Auburn defense make the Alabama offense uncomfortable like only a few teams have done this year? Specifically the front make that offensive line for Alabama wrong, which they have been a few times this year. Not consistently, but when they have, teams have been able to force negative plays and bad things. So I think there's a lot of intrigue there. You can say that place is haunted. I don't agree with that. I think that's disrespectful to the home crowd and the fans that are there because they make that environment what it is. It's not like you're burying Eagle skeletons under that thing. It's just a tough place to go play because the fans are passionate, get into it and they stay loud and people know they're going to go in there and potentially not play well. So I think it's going to be a lot of fun. I'm excited about that one. I think there's a lot of intrigue in a lot of different ways.
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Josh Pate
One more thing that I wanted to point out is if we rewind back to July, the perception of the ACC was it was either Clemson or Miami. If not Clemson, then Miami. And then remember the talk, there's this huge drop off and any kind of dark horse picture you're trying to paint, whether it be Georgia Tech, who I'll get to in a second, or SMU or any of the others, there was this seemingly like insurmountable preseason odds hurdle that they were going to have to clear. And then especially when you looked at Miami's schedule, you were like, I mean if they lose, it's going to be Florida, it's going to be Notre Dame. How does Miami miss the ACC Championship game? Well, we found a way for Miami to miss the ACC championship game. Clemson hasn't been in the picture for weeks and Georgia Tech's the favorite to win the conference right now. Georgia Tech could very well lock down a playoff spot right now. And I don't think because again, we've gotten into the fog of the season, I don't really think people are appreciating it. And they may not be appreciating it because Clemson fell off. So like now that Clemson fell off and now that Miami fell off, it's like, oh, well, they're going to accomplish that, but it's just the least of the bad over there in the acc. And my viewpoint on it is, I don't care what the circumstances are. If Clemson wins a watered down league, if Miami wins a watered down league, that's one thing. If Georgia Tech's winning it, that's something that people would have really laughed you out of certain buildings in July for. And here they are. They hadn't won anything. They still got pit this weekend. They, Georgia, doesn't matter, but they got to win the game. But just they're in position this late and the way they've done it, running so much of that offensive workload disproportionately through one player has been pretty fun to watch. To me it is.
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Cole Kublick
And Brink, he's done an amazing job and it makes me actually go forward an extra week and think about the emphasis not just on the Iron bowl, but a couple of these other rivalry games. We're going to be talking about Georgia, Georgia Tech, the kind of implications that could be on that game. Texas, Texas A and M, what's on the line there? I think we know it's a little more one sided, but the Egg bowl is going to have College Football Playoff implications. Even if it just comes down to seating in home games, home field advantage. Some of these rivalry games are going to have massive implications in front of them that one team's going to be either looking to ruin or both teams are going to be playing for. I think by the time we get to it, Josh, we may look down rivalry weekend and say, could we make the argument that this is the most important rivalry weekend we've had? Because we can go back and remember a 1 versus 3 Ohio State, Michigan or even a 12 Ohio State, Michigan. We can remember two top teams in the Iron Bowl. We can remember Florida, Florida State playing and Peter Bolware and those guys just ruining Danny Warfel and then them coming back in the Sugar bowl, playing them again, and I kill you and Rydell Anthony and those guys just going crazy winning a national championship. But that was for two teams, usually, maybe four teams, usually. Now we have a lot of other teams. They're going to have opportunities to either make their hay, have their season ruined, jockey for position in this playoff. I just think when we get there, if we sit down and like take a big look at it from a broad distance, might this be the most important rivalry weekend that we've had?
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Josh Pate
Consider how far down the list you would get before you even mentioned Oregon, Washington and just how big that game alone could be next week could be. All right, plug cube show. Tell people where to find it. Pretend like up until Shane Beamer's press conference earlier this weekend, they weren't even aware of what you did outside of your sideline duty Saturday.
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Cole Kublick
Most people might think it's just a Twitter takeaway on Sunday nights which comes out so late sometimes it's just basically Monday morning. We take all the SEC games, we watch the film, we tell you what you see. That usually gets out on Mondays, sometimes based on some travel movement with my show in Charlotte, Read and React with Roman Harper. It comes out on Tuesdays now, but we're still trying to get it out on Mondays. All you gotta do is search cube, show YouTube, wherever you get your podcast. Subscribe. I think we're like 19 6. Josh said we would never get to 20. So what more would you want as an early Christmas wish for all the thanks to be given and Josh Pate be proven wrong.
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Josh Pate
That is one of my favorite memories is famously saying this channel will Never get to 20,000 that direct quote out of someone's mouth. That much we can confirm.
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Cole Kublick
You're the one that wants athletic directors to do all your dirty work for you.
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Josh Pate
Absolutely I do. Won't apologize for it either. All right, I'll talk to you sometime and we'll see you on the show sometime in a couple of weeks. Fair.
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Cole Kublick
Hey, if I don't you Jesse, everybody have a happy Thanksgiving.
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Josh Pate
Same to you and yours. All right. It feels like we're Thanksgiving week right now. We're still a week away. We just won't talk to Cube again until then. That's our show. So Friday night lines will emanate from the west coast from Eugene, Oregon tomorrow night. I'll let you guys know exactly what time we're going to go live. It'll probably be a little bit later, not Pacific late. I just mean it'll be during those Friday night games at Josh Pate cfb. Make sure you're following. And that's it. That's all. We'll have you a lot of good sideline footage from usc Oregon and then we'll red eye back here and we'll talk about it all on Sunday. Until then, make sure you stay aware. Again, you got to be following on the socials. Oshpate CFB for director Bradley producer Jesse, I'm Josh Pate. Take care. Enjoy the games this weekend. We'll be back Sunday. Until then, God bless.
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