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Craig Ferguson
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Carrie Byron
Well, according to my father, yes. But my father was one of those big fish kind of guys that tells really great stories. So sometimes I'm just gonna go with yes. I have never fully, fully investigated it, but my dad used to have this big leather bound Lord Byron book I would read in front of the fireplace at like 5am When I get up early, I'd curl up on his lap and he would read me poetry. And I didn't understand any of it till I was older, but he, he felt this. I think it just gave him a sense of importance. So, like on his deathbed I read him Lord Byron poetry.
Craig Ferguson
Oh, wow, that's rather lovely. And I'm sorry to hear that your father's passed, but what a lovely thing to do. Was he able to hear you? Did he enjoy it and stuff?
Carrie Byron
I feel like he did. He wasn't really in the state of it.
Craig Ferguson
So, you know, I gave my mother on her deathbed, I gave her a photograph of Tony Curtis. Tony Curtis had been on the Late Night show and that was my mom's favorite. And then she was dying and I told Tony Curtis my mom was in hospital. She was very second. I was going to leave after the show. And he went, oh. And he signed a photograph for her and I gave it to my mom, but I don't think she saw it. But I like to think that she knew there was a picture of Tony Curtis signed by Tony Curtis on her.
Carrie Byron
Yes.
Craig Ferguson
Anyway, listen, it's a rather poetic name for someone who I think is being. You're very sciencey. You've come to my haunted houses in Scotland and you're like, ah, there's no such thing as ghosts. And you're very science y about it. But of course there are such a thing as ghosts. Obviously.
Carrie Byron
I wanted to be haunted so badly at your house. Like, I stayed awake, I walked around in the dark. I was like, bring it because I would love to be haunted. That would be so cool.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, they don't do it if you want it. Also, I think there were a couple of Scotsmen at the parties. Be very happy to be haunting you in the middle of the night if they knew you were walking around the castle. I watched a couple of those gentlemen whirl you around the dance floor.
Carrie Byron
But you do some real fun dancing at your parties. We do have never done that kind of dancing. It's like Scottish line dancing, but cool.
Craig Ferguson
It is. It's reels. It's reels before Instagram. Now, let me. Let me ask you this, because you are one of a select gang that throughout the course of this podcast, I will talk to all of them, even probably including Jamie, is MythBusters royalty. You were the only. For most of the time anyway. You were the only woman on the team, right?
Carrie Byron
Well, we started out with Scottie.
Craig Ferguson
Yes.
Carrie Byron
She is just an amazing welder and very, very cool. I was just the longest running and consistently the first one. I was helping Jamie and out behind the scenes when I was just interning. So, like, the very first episode, I was there.
Craig Ferguson
But you were interning. Right. That's what it was. It was just like. Cause you. I feel like maybe I'm making this up, but I feel like I think of you as you were a sculptress or a sculptor. Right. That was your thing. That's what you were going to do. You still do that?
Carrie Byron
Yeah. I mean, some of them are behind me.
Craig Ferguson
That's what I was going to say. Are those ones behind you yours?
Carrie Byron
Yeah. I mean, I've always done it. I thought when I was in San Francisco that I was going to become this really cool sculptor and my life was going to be arty. And my creepy little sculptures didn't really sell that well. I couldn't make a living out of it. So I thought, oh, my God, how could I still be a sculptor and do this kind of thing? But, like, it paid. So then I started trying to put together a portfolio so that I could maybe go work it, you know, work on Star wars. Because Lucas Ranch was so close to us. And I wanted to be like Jamie and Adam and Tori when I grew up. I wanted to do what they did. They were model makers. Yeah. But I ended up using those sculptures that I had made artistically to impress Jamie. And he's like, okay, you know, maybe I'll give you a job. I won't pay you, but you can come work here.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, that sounds very much like Jamie. He's. He's a very singular human being. I've Always liked very much what he did on camera. I always got a sense of, like, there were people like you and Adam and Tori and Grant, God rest him, were very comfortable on camera and kind of loved it and were very natural. And Jamie, I always get a sense that he was kind of rather grudgingly doing it because he felt like someone. I felt like someone had told him he had to do it, and so he went, yeah, all right. I don't like it. Or am I making that up? Was that a character?
Carrie Byron
No, no. There is no character. Like, Jamie is Jamie, when I occasionally go visit his shop and he orates the gearing of everything he's working on. Like, it's the same stuff. Like, he's working for some DARPA think tank or something at this point on some stuff I probably can't talk about, but I spent an hour just listening to him explain projects. But he did Mythbusters because it gave him an opportunity to do really cool, weird, wild stuff.
Craig Ferguson
Right. There was a lot of explosions. You guys blew up a lot of stuff. A lot of stuff.
Carrie Byron
You know, honestly, that wasn't his favorite. That was, like, one of my favorites.
Craig Ferguson
You were. You seem to be very drawn to explosions. Do you still get to get your explosions fixed now? How do you get your Semtex fixed these days?
Carrie Byron
Well, I do black powder artwork, so I'm still. Really. Yeah, yeah. So you send you some. Give me your address. I'll send you some.
Craig Ferguson
Don't send me any black powder. It's not going to work. Well, that. You can't send that through the mail.
Carrie Byron
It is all. It's already. It's already been set off. So I take canvases, cover them in a watercolor paper, and then I do these controlled explosions. They're not very big because I'm doing in my backyard.
Craig Ferguson
Oh, my God. It's all right.
Carrie Byron
Yeah, yeah. Don't tell anybody. Anybody. But I have. I have a storage of really old, dirty black powder. Like, not the clean kind because they changed the recipe, but, like, the old stuff that they would put in cannons. So I have this old black powder, and when I was on Mythbusters, I learned how much I loved the detritus that was left behind when we do explosions. So I'm like, I wonder if I can make that into artwork. So I started exploding things on paper and using clay to mask things off. And I made these kind of really cool explorations in what's left behind, which is basically, at that point, just a charcoal painting.
Craig Ferguson
That's true.
Carrie Byron
And then I discovered there's other artists that do this. There's like a really famous Chinese artist that does this much bigger and better than I do. But it's. It's just another way I can have an expression of art while still blowing stuff up.
Craig Ferguson
But it's got to be. It's got to be abstract. Like, it's not like you set something off and suddenly there's a horse or something like that, right?
Carrie Byron
Surely both. I do a lot of abstract stuff. All of my abstract stuff has a theme of connectivity, humanity and quantum physics. But then every now and then, like, I will do pieces where I take this polymer clay and then I will extrude it into these long, skinny pieces and I will put it on a paper. I did one recently for my friend who had lost her dog. And so I did a portrait of her dog using this clay to kind of mask off an area that would create negative space. And then I exploded black powder behind it. And it makes this really cool charcoal painting. But it's almost like. It's like when you look at the negative space is white, and then the.
Craig Ferguson
Background in the background is the explosion.
Carrie Byron
Yeah. But it creates this sort of chaos because, like the little. The grain that I use, I use a really big grain because I like how it shoots around the page and makes these little, like squiggly marks and then parts of it kind of.
Craig Ferguson
You have to use special paper. You know, you blow up your paper.
Carrie Byron
Well, I've. I've done a lot of experimenting, as you know, I like to do.
Craig Ferguson
Right.
Carrie Byron
And I figured out, you know, it's. If you contain the black powder, it creates an explosion, and that's when things get destroyed and there's just chaos. But if you. If it's open air, it just goes and it just leaves charcoal behind. I mean, mind you, my daughter hates it because the smell of sulfur wafting up into her room, she's like, ah, it smells like smoky farts. I hate this.
Craig Ferguson
Well, I do quite like the smell of smoky farts. Or I was gonna say sulfur, and then I said smoky farts, but actually I think I meant smokey farts. What I'm saying is that that's kind of. My smell is smoky. I like to go smoky. I remember actually there was an episode of Mythbusters. Well, you guys did collect your farts in a jar. There was.
Carrie Byron
Yeah, we did. A lot of farts are funny.
Craig Ferguson
They are actually serious. I totally agree. They always killed, but they. But they. I do remember. Cause I remember seeing you doing sit ups and Adam doing sit UPS and cat cows and stuff like that to try and collect, to see how much was how much gas a human creates in a day or something. I don't know. It was some. It was fantastic. I remember that there was a lot of things.
Carrie Byron
I think I worked on the one Duh Girls fart. I mean, wow.
Craig Ferguson
That made it as far as the show.
Carrie Byron
I mean, yeah, it was a bunch of mini myths. And that one, they rigged up a pair of hydrogen sulfide detecting panties. I hate it when Jamie says panties. It freaks me out.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah. Pants.
Carrie Byron
Yes.
Craig Ferguson
I'm in London right now, so you can say pants, meaning I can say pants. Yeah, yeah. Well, pants. And then. Then it'll be underpants. But if you said it's a whole thing, you know how it is. Tell me this, though. When. Before you were in. Because I know I met you when you were doing Mythbusters, because I was such a fan of the show. And then you guys came down, and we started kind of hanging out and stuff like that. But before your life in Mythbusters, I mean, you were straight out of college, right?
Carrie Byron
No, Ish. I I so after college, I packed a backpack and I traveled around the world for about a year.
Craig Ferguson
No way.
Carrie Byron
Country to country. I started going west from California. So I left San Francisco in. Yeah, I almost said the year. Okay, this is gonna date me. In 1998, I left, and I went to Rarotonga and Fiji and New Zealand, Australia. Worked my way up through Bali, through Southeast Asia, Japan, India, Nepal. Worked my way over to Europe, then down to Egypt a couple times. I just kind of kept moving, and I started out the trip with another girl, and then a couple countries in, we split off and did our own thing. So I was traveling alone a lot and making friends along the way. And it was.
Craig Ferguson
You have a daughter. Would you let your daughter do that? Now?
Carrie Byron
I feel like at that age, she would be an adult. And it was the most transformative, educational experience I ever had. I feel like my entire life has been shaped around the mission to build bridges and connect with people and just feel that humanity. And I learned so much about myself and the world. And, you know, when I left college, I was still in that sort of, like, crazy phase, and I feel like it grounded me in a really interesting way.
Craig Ferguson
Where did you go to college? You study?
Carrie Byron
San Francisco State. I wanted to go for film sculpture, Just something arty at the time, which is how I kind of ended up.
Craig Ferguson
Does that come from your parents then? Were you an arty family?
Carrie Byron
No, I mean the Byrons.
Craig Ferguson
Well, that's what I was going to say. I mean. I mean. But Byron was. First of all, he's Scottish, and I think he was a bit of. A. Bit of a drunk, actually. Byron.
Carrie Byron
Oh, yeah, he was wild. I mean, I am not entirely proud of some of the things that. That side. I believe that his father brought venereal diseases to, like, the Cook Islands. I think that. I think there's been a lot of. A lot of mayhem. But he would.
Craig Ferguson
He would definitely be canceled now, Byron, if he was around. Yeah, there's no way he'd have survived social media. No way. There's so many people now that would not have survived that. Although I don't know how you cancel a drunk poet, but they probably could.
Carrie Byron
You don't.
Craig Ferguson
A drunk poet with a title. They're like, well, that's it. You're canceled. I don't care. I don't think it would matter.
Carrie Byron
But the fact he had a lot of bastard children. He had one child that he claimed. Now, this is sort of the ancestor that I tell my kid about, because I was so proud. So he had a daughter, Ada of Lovelace, who. She was really sick when she was young, and her mother was not into Lord Byron, so she stole her way and tried to break the poetry out of her with math. She made her study math.
Craig Ferguson
It's kind of like, pray the gay away, but with math. That's crazy.
Carrie Byron
Yeah. She's just like, I'm gonna get all the art out of you. I'm gonna train you in math. So when this woman grew up, she hooked up with this guy, Charles Babbage, who was. And they. He had created a counting machine, like a giant calculator, and she used that machine as an application to create rugs with pictures on them. She was sort of the grandmother of computer science because she's the one that figured out with all those ones and zeros, you can create pictures. We wouldn't have, I don't think computers today if it wasn't for that connection between art, science. So I.
Craig Ferguson
That's fascinating.
Carrie Byron
She's the revolutionary.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, that is fascinating. It's also. I mean, the idea that math would push the art out of someone is such a ridiculous notion. You think of Leonardo da Vinci, who is pretty much a mathematician who did art, or an artist mathematician. Pretty good one at it as well, actually. And probably gay.
Carrie Byron
I've heard that. I've heard that.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, I think so. I think back then, the sexuality in medieval Italy, Middle Ages in Italy, it was like, yeah, yeah, you know, whatever you Know, male, female, it's a fluid. Hey, what's the coming to go? It doesn't matter. Everything is fine. So you leave there and you go to myth. How did you end up. You just went to Mythbusters as an intern job? That was because of the connection with industrial light and magic, right?
Carrie Byron
Was that the thing you wanted at the time? Mythbusters wasn't there, so I just got a job for Jamie.
Craig Ferguson
Oh, right.
Carrie Byron
It was just Jamie.
Craig Ferguson
You were just working for Jamie. How did you meet Jamie, for God's sake? I mean, I can't imagine Jamie's a person that you would meet socially. How the hell did you bump into Jamie?
Carrie Byron
Yeah, it wasn't socially.
Craig Ferguson
No, I can't imagine.
Carrie Byron
So he had sort of a general manager of his shop that was teaching a sculpting for special effects class to college kids. And one of my friends took that class and he was like, oh, Carrie, you would love this. Like, it's this incredible workshop. Like, you should go hit him up and see if you can get an internship because this is what you've been trying to do. And I heard he gives everybody their first job. So I put together a portfolio and he introduced me to Jamie. And the next day I was back. I mean, I had a job as a receptionist and I called in sick. Just started showing up at Jamie's shop just in case Jamie was going to throw me out. Because at first he wasn't really that impressed with me. I have to say. He was just like, he's a tough guy to impress.
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Craig Ferguson
What happened though with Mythbusters is such an odd thing because it was such a strange I always felt very connected to Mythbusters. I always thought that the late night show I did and Mythbusters were kind of out of the same thing where they were anomalies. They shouldn't really have happened. They shouldn't really have been successful, but they both were, by people who kind of, like, drifted into it kind of sideways and the idea of when you became visible and famous and stuff like that, because it doesn't sound like to me that that was something that you were cultivating or even wanted to be part of. So.
Carrie Byron
I know you said I looked like I was comfortable on camera, but I was not. I am like a shy person that pretends to be extroverted. So, I mean, it was hard at first.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, I think at first. But it kind of. It gets easier, right? Didn't it get easier over time? I mean, how long you guys did that show for, what, 10 years?
Carrie Byron
Yeah, over 10 years.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah. I mean, it's. Yeah, it becomes a thing. And then Grant coming in. He came in on season two or something, right? Season three. Is that right?
Carrie Byron
I don't remember what season. Seasons are difficult for me because this was like wild west of networks. And, you know, we made more than 350 episodes. But, like, the first season of Mythbusters was like, three episodes, and then the second was like, 10, and then they realized our contracts only needed to be renegotiated per season. So all of a sudden, the season would be 36 episodes.
Craig Ferguson
Oh, man, that's awful. That's awful. Do you still would. I mean, what does it look like now post Mythbusters? Well, I mean, we lost Grant, which was such a terrible, terrible shock. I mean, just awful. And everyone seems to be doing rather well, actually. You know, I mean, you now have the. You're like the science thing that you do. What is that?
Carrie Byron
So, you know, after Mythbusters, Tori and I tried and tried to come up with other shows that might do the same thing or give us this great experience, and nothing took off past a season. But we're friends, and we wanted to just keep working together.
Craig Ferguson
Sure.
Carrie Byron
Of course, if you want to scoop right now. The reason that I'm setting up this studio and it looks so blank right now is that Tori and I might be pre production putting together a podcast.
Craig Ferguson
Oh, that's a great idea. I mean, of course that's the way to do it now as well. I mean, obviously, you can have this podcast. I'm gonna do this until my contract's up, and then I'm not doing it anymore.
Carrie Byron
Then you're out. Then you're out.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, well, I like to quit things. I just like to. Ah, it's enough of that. I'm just gonna try something else, you know.
Carrie Byron
With your career?
Craig Ferguson
Yeah. I'm like, ah, it's enough of that. We can try something else now. But. So what would you do in the po if, hypothetically, you and the great Salvatore Bell. We're gonna do a podcast together. And I'll have to get him on this or else he'll be mad at me. And also I would like to talk to him. But what would you do in your podcast if you were gonna do a podcast with Tory?
Carrie Byron
So we had always said with, you know, the real show was never what you guys saw. The real show was the hilarity behind the scenes because we were all friends. I mean, we were pranking each other. We were talking about weird stuff that we saw. We're like, oh, my God, did you see that thing about the zombie? Spend all this time with the weirdness of trying to produce the show. You know, hey, can you give us a cow stomach with all the ventricles attached? Like, there's so many behind the scenes stories, plus all of the weird intricacies of the conversations that we would have. So it's basically gonna be like, what's going on now? What things interest us? Relate it possibly to something back on Mythbusters, because that's our shared history and we have so much of it. And then, you know, maybe talk to some experts about things like cryogenics. Like, let's go talk to a professor that can tell us if it's possible.
Craig Ferguson
Do you know anything about cryogenics? I. Look, I'm 62 years old now, Carrie, so I know I'm. I'm kind of much more interested in cryogenics than I used to be when I was younger.
Carrie Byron
I'm going to be honest with you. It's like trying to make a cow out of hamburger. It's.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, it's not going to work.
Carrie Byron
It's not gonna work.
Craig Ferguson
All right, well, back to philosophy then. So what about the singularity? What about putting the human personality into the machine, the deus ex machina? Is that gonna happen? Can you get inside the machine? Can humans live as.
Carrie Byron
I am not an expert. I am somebody who likes to talk to experts. I. I think that we're not going to be able to do that because the mysteries of all the electricity that happens to us and why it happens, I mean, we're just these electrified meat puppets that, you know, it's a mystery why we exist. I don't think that that's going to happen. But I am incredibly impressed by what AI Is doing. And I have a lot of friends. I live in the Silicon Valley, and I have a lot of friends in D.C. and all of the policy. And I know. I know people in AI that are, you know, the luminaries, and they are hopeful, they are fearful, and they are astounded by how quickly it's developing. And now AI through the Internet, it's not just AI talking to us, it's AI talking to each other. So there's just this whole undercurrent of robots talking to each other, and the thinking is getting more and more human.
Craig Ferguson
Can we conduct surveillance on these robots as they talk to each other? Presumably they're not keeping secrets.
Carrie Byron
No, I don't think they're hiding it. I don't think we would fully understand it. But they. I mean, Deep Seek is the latest AI to come out.
Craig Ferguson
And really, really.
Carrie Byron
Yeah, I was really interested in this because it shows you its thinking and how it comes to its conclusions, which is. It's a little different and it's so human in the way that it relates. I think that that's what's so interesting to me is that people are trying to make it have humanity so that it can connect with you better, so that you can feed the beast, so you can give it more ma. It's, It's. It's wildly interesting, but it also only can feed off of what we give it. So.
Craig Ferguson
Right.
Carrie Byron
I do think that humans and their creativity. If you don't put it online, it. It doesn't have it.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah. Or. Or just take the battery out. I mean, I always thought that, but Terminators, like, just unplug it, for God's sake.
Carrie Byron
Just kill the battery.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, just get the battery over there or pour some water on it every time you like, drop it in the toilet. It'll. That's it. That would take care of it. But the.
Carrie Byron
Just flush the Terminator.
Craig Ferguson
Flush the Terminators.
Carrie Byron
Stick it in the toilet. Flush it like an old high school movie.
Craig Ferguson
Look, look. Terminator. What's that? That looks like, I think John Connor's in the toilet. Terminator. And then swirly. And you're done. I think that. I think that there's so much talk about it, though, the AI. I mean, every conversation I have with everybody right now, at some point, if you talk to anyone for more than 10 minutes, you're talking to them about AI once you get past the election or whatever. And I'm fascinated because most people I talk to are quite afraid of it, but these are the people who don't use it. People who use it are not afraid of it at all. I talk to a surgeon who was like, oh, this is the greatest leap for surgery. This is amazing. This stuff. I mean, this is just. It's changing the game. We're going to be able to save so many more lives with this kind of technology. I mean, he was really gung ho about it. He loved it.
Carrie Byron
I mean, it's like any technology that little, you know, iPhone in, in my hand revolutionized my life. I have so much more connectivity, but it's also something that sucks me into the light, you know, it's time. But I mean, that's. If. If you're talking to people who are afraid, I'm. I'm thinking that you're mostly talking to adults who came up with, I only.
Craig Ferguson
Have two children and one of them already is an adult. So, yeah, I talk to one child pretty much that's it. And he's 14, so I mean, he's not afraid of it at all. Yeah, of course, you're right.
Carrie Byron
But I'm so one you were asking post Mythbusters. I am currently the director of the National STEM Festival, which is basically the nation's science fair. And a lot of these kids are using AI and machine learning in such interesting ways to try to come up with solutions to big challenges around the world. I mean, everything from. There's this kid, Tyler in Connecticut, who's come up with a cost effective test that can find iodine deficiencies. And all of the data that comes from that is going to actually create a base for us to understand why millions of people have an iodine deficiency. And he's come up with a $2 saliva based color metric test that can, that, you know, you can send in, get results quickly and find out if you have an iodine deficiency.
Craig Ferguson
Why would that be important about having an iodine deficiency? What would that do to you if you had an iodine deficiency?
Carrie Byron
There's also sorts of like, neurological and physical issues that come from any sort of deficiency. I mean, some of these kids are using it for like, last year there was this one girl who used pictures of eyes and the machine learned to be able to detect if you had anemia. Because anemia is a real problem. It can create all kinds of problems, especially if you're sick and old and her grandmother had anemia and it was undiagnosed. So she came up with a way for machine learning to predict anemia through pictures of your eyes.
Craig Ferguson
I mean, that's pretty cool. So non invasive kind of testing like that. And presumably then if you can do it from an eye scan, you can do it from a computer. I'm in Britain right now, and they have socialized medicine here, and they're always struggling about trying to get people into offices and having the right amount of people. So I guess if you can test people using machinery so that you can scan. The idea of having a medical done by a robot, I quite like that idea. Especially the prostate exam. I feel like that would probably be. If there was a way to do that. Well, it is done digitally, I suppose, but it's a different type of. But if there was a way to do it, that it was, you know, a little less. I don't know. If it was a little more camera ish, I'd be up for that.
Carrie Byron
Okay, I'll put it out to all these genius kids and see if somebody can come up with something.
Craig Ferguson
Get your kiddie think tank going and say, look, I'm feeling like testing is the key. Early detection is the key on all of these things. Right. So I'm not just talking about that, though. I'm talking like any illness. Early detection. Right. If you know early, you can do something about it. I feel like the development of vaccines seems to kind of go hand in hand with that as well. These kind of weird new vaccines that they're developing that people are talking about vaccines for cancerous conditions now and stuff like that, you know, I mean, I think that's incredible to me that that kind of thinking is going on. Is that. Do you see a lot of that in the young people that you talk to? Because obviously if you're doing that, that they are embracing the. The AI in a way that older people just don't or can't.
Carrie Byron
Yeah, I mean, I. I feel like they're just using it as a tool like any other tool. I mean, they. They're coming up with apps that find early Parkinson's markers or. I mean, even in 2016, when I did the White House Science fair, there was a girl who had figured out a way to diagnose cancer early using computer modeling. I mean, they've been doing this for a while. And if you think of it as a tool rather than the evil robot that's coming, for your information, it's less scary.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, I wonder about all that kind of. The robot want your information. I mean, the. Do you worry about that? Do you worry about data harvesting in your own life? Do you have firewalls put up? I mean, you're computer savvy. You know how to do all that.
Carrie Byron
I do my best, but honestly, I think it has it all anyway, because I'm also somebody who shops Online, I love that.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, I totally agree. I mean if one piece of the machinery has it, it all has it. If you go to a store to buy a pack of gum or something, they'll say, can we have your email address? You have it, it, you have it. Just let me scan my card and it'll come up. You already have all that information. It's interesting to me though because I think of you. Last time I saw you in San Francisco when you came, I was doing a show and you came and you had turned up in one of those self driving cabs.
Carrie Byron
Oh yeah, yeah.
Craig Ferguson
Which I, I still haven't done yet. Is that freaky? Do you kind of. Are you okay with it?
Carrie Byron
Okay, I. Granted I have been here in a beta testing city for Waymo, for Cruise, for Zoox for years now. So I was in some of the early prototypes of Waymo way back in the day and I was part of the test program. I signed up immediately to try these because I'm a super curious person and I wanted to know more. So I interviewed and talked to all kinds of people that made the cars and, and we're, we're creating them and you know, they hire hackers and they hire all sorts of people to try to, to muck it up to see if they can actually throw the cars off track. But the last time I got into a rideshare vehicle, I had a driver that had a movie going on over here, was talking on a phone here, had me in the back seat, was driving a little bit crazy. Right? Yeah, I'm not going to say that that's the rule. But yeah, when you look at it.
Craig Ferguson
I've been in it. Yeah.
Carrie Byron
When you look at the robot car, it's got over 60 cameras, LiDAR radar, it has a 360 view going on that you can actually see. Which by the way, they only put that up for you to see. The, the car doesn't need it, it just wants to show you. Like I can see that cat running out into the street. I can see that bicyclist over there. It's not going to hit anything if it can help it. Like it's, it's paying so much more attention. It doesn't have to worry about fog or rain or, or night. Like a lot of people can't see at night as well. The robot can. Like, it's got all the instrumentation it has to follow the laws. It's.
Craig Ferguson
But what is the law? If for example, like, say like a person wanders out into the road and the option the car has is to either hit the person or drive off the road and hurt you. What does it choose?
Carrie Byron
Okay. It doesn't have the morals to make those decisions. But I don't know that I can answer this with any expertise because I think you'd have to ask them on this one.
Craig Ferguson
Right. Okay.
Carrie Byron
I do know that it's going to try to avoid conflict altogether and stop. I don't think that there is a.
Craig Ferguson
Well that I can relate to. I certainly, I was like, oh no, it's fine, I'm fine, I'm fine, everything's okay.
Carrie Byron
I mean, what would you do if your choice was to run into this person or that person? Like you're going through the calculations of how to get out of it. I'm pretty sure that the robot has because it's AI machine learning constantly and it's been training in places like San Francisco, hard place to drive, roads all over. There's, there's, there's things everywhere like.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, I mean it really is wild.
Carrie Byron
People and one way streets. I mean you couldn't throw it in a more chaotic situation. So it is learned like how to maybe go this way and avoid everything.
Craig Ferguson
I rented a Tesla truck in Phoenix a couple of weeks ago. I was doing a show there and Tomas and I rented a Tesla truck and we put it in self drive to take us around and it was freaky. And at one point I intervened because I thought it was gonna hit a car. And there was some debate between Tomas and I. Tomas thought it was gonna hit the car. I thought it was gonna hit the car. But then I thought I should have given it the chance to not hit the car, but I just didn't. But I want, I mean, you're right about, you know, the distractedness of drivers, like, you know, human drivers, people texting people on their phones, people, you know, doing stuff. It probably is a better driver. Right? And. But where am I going to get if I'm in a taxi that doesn't have an actual driver, where do I get my racist opinions from? I would be able to get my racist opinions from a cab driver. Where will I get them? If only.
Carrie Byron
I mean, there's still the Internet in.
Craig Ferguson
Your hand on your phone.
Carrie Byron
You can TikTok that if you'd like.
Craig Ferguson
I'll be able to get my racism from other places.
Carrie Byron
Yeah, there's plenty. There's plenty. There's plenty.
Craig Ferguson
There is plenty. But I feel like it is an interesting thing. How do you use it in your life now? Would you use it for art? Do you use it for art. Is that. Well, like if you're creating a sculpture, would you take the, would you. Would you bring in a. And would you get AI to help you conceptualize it or maybe even make models for you?
Carrie Byron
No, I mean for me, all artwork is for me to go through some sort of journey of curiosity. So I don't need any, I don't need any assistance. But what I do use AI for is when I don't understand something. And. Okay, so. So National STEM Festival. Right?
Craig Ferguson
Right.
Carrie Byron
These kids, we find kids from every state and territory. We try to find a representation from all over the country. So it's going to be the best of the best kids.
Craig Ferguson
Okay.
Carrie Byron
Some of their projects, when I'm reading the Champions, I don't understand them. They are so complex. I have literally taken the text from one of their projects and put it through AI and said, can you explain this as if I am a 12 year old?
Craig Ferguson
Oh, wow.
Carrie Byron
It will explain the science of their project to me so that I can understand it. And they are, you know, seventh through 12th graders. So I am currently using AI to help me be a better person, be a smarter person.
Craig Ferguson
I very much relate to that.
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Craig Ferguson
I get into this thing recently. I listen to audiobooks all the time on my phone. I find it very like I'm driving or if I can't sleep because you can light and off and you can listen and it's like because I am who I am. I listened to this book, a biography of Socrates cause I thought I should know about Socrates more than I do. And there was a biography about Socrates and I thought that is the best biography that was so helpful. And then I saw it was a biography for young people. Do you understand? It was for teens. And I was like oh geez. But it helped. I understood it a bit more. They simplified it a little and, and maybe I'm not as smart as I thought I was.
Carrie Byron
Well, I mean on Mythbusters when we were making the show, I think the reason it was so successful is because I am not a scientist. So I'd have to hear the complicated story and then be able to relay it in a simple way so I would hear it until I could understand a scientific principle and so that I could explain it. So we used to say if you, you want to explain something to a 35 year old, explain it like they're 12. And if you want to explain it to a 12 year old, explain it like they'RE 35. Because we always underestimate young people and overestimate us.
Craig Ferguson
It's very poignant and very true. And I wonder, given that the interaction that you're having currently with young people and you know, does it make you, because you hear so much derision heaped on the young right now about their terrible generation and oh, with their having pronouns and what, this and all that, and people from my generation and younger just heap so much hate on the young. Does it make you optimistic? Or are you more optimistic dealing with kids? Or are we right? Are they all a bunch of fundamentalist douchebags?
Carrie Byron
I think any group of people that you brush with these grand, broad strokes, it's going to be easy and reductive to come up with your ideas about that.
Craig Ferguson
I'm saying, madam, that's true, actually. You're right, it is. You know, sweeping generalizations are the basis of all fascism, I suppose, aren't they?
Carrie Byron
Let me tell you this. If you need a moment of hope, if you need a moment to feel like we're going to be okay, really listen and hear what these kids are doing and saying. They are solution seekers and innovators and they are looking to problems instead of like, oh my God, this is crushing. This is awful. How am I going to wake up tomorrow? They're like, huh, what can I do about this? What can I do about this, this particular problem myself? And it's, it's beautiful to see the hope that they have. And I think hope begets hope. And all of a sudden everybody's feeling a little bit better about their neighbor. I mean, we were, we just as a species, we were created to be tribal. You know, I, I at my high school think the high school over there is terrible, and they think that we're terrible.
Craig Ferguson
Shelbyville, Springfield. Shelbyville, Springfield.
Carrie Byron
Exactly right. And the Internet has created just bigger tribes. And so it's become a little, it's become a little divisive and angry. And if you, if you fall into that and stop realizing that we're all the same drive, that we all really want the same things. We want to know where our next meal is coming from. We want to know that our family is safe and healthy and we want a roof over our heads. Anything beyond that doesn't matter. And we all want that, that we're all just the same. And you start looking like Mr. Rogers for the helpers and start looking towards these kids that are trying to solve the biggest problems of the world. It just, it makes you feel good and it makes you feel like you want to be one of the helpers. And for me, since I'm not one of these brilliant scientist kids, I am going to amplify their stories. I am helping get them on their local news stations so that they can create hope in these little pockets all over the country. I want to elevate them on a national stage, which is why this is the National STEM Festival, so that politicians and industry leaders and everybody can support them and hear their stories and maybe take that hope back to where they are and create more hope. I really feel like this small sea, this STEM festival that we're creating is going to have this incredible ripple effect of just creating more and more positivity. And who knows if this kid in New York who's learning how to gamify some sort of issue over here, meets a kid in Kansas and the two of them come together in the future and we've created this little community, and all of a sudden they're curing cancer. I just. I feel like there's ways that you're going to look at the youth and it's going to make you feel good about the world, turn off the news and start looking to the kids.
Craig Ferguson
That's very encouraging. It's very encouraging. And I think I agree with you. I think that the human mind has, for the most part, a magnifying quality. What I think it does is if you look at something, anything you look at it magnifies it. It's part of the process that I think we go through. So if we look at the problem, we magnify the problem. If we look at the potential solution, we magnify the potential solution. And I think it's an emotive thing. Like, if I concentrate on what this is where I think social media is misleading, because the algorithm will give you what it thinks you want. And actually, maybe that's what you wanted a thought process ago. But now, if it thinks, oh, I want to look at fights, I want to look at street fights, I want to look at more street fights, I want more and more street fights, and the algorithm will do that. Whereas what you need is. Is you need to stop looking at that, and you need to look at how people don't do that. And I think what's very encouraging about what you're doing is the fact that you're concentrating on the solution, which is interesting, because if you take an engineering mind, an engineering mind looks at the problem, it concentrates on the problem and will find the solution from the problem. But I think an artist's mind looks at the solution and does the solution and doesn't look at the problem, just go straight to the solution, let's have the solution. And I think they're both essential. I think these different ways of looking at the World. This duality, I think, is essential. It's very helpful. I think that people like you are doing that. It's great that you became famous and sciency even. Although you were just an internal trying to get job with Jamie. It was very.
Carrie Byron
It opened up the world to me. It really did. It kind of showed me how science and art are so similar. And I think I became just a super STEM advocate just because I saw how positive an impact that MythBusters could have on kids, and it really kind of led them into these careers. And I was just like, oh, my gosh, how do we harness that? How do we make mythbustery inspiration happen with lots of kids? And then just one thing led to the next. Next. And I, I. The way that this. This festival came about is I was interviewing people at south by Southwest, okay. And I was interviewing the Secretary of Education, and I'm like, oh, I've got this opportunity. I'm gonna corner this guy, right? So I was like, listen, I hosted the White House Science Fair, and it hasn't existed for a decade, and I want it back. How do we make that comeback? Tell me you're gonna bring it back. And it kind of. I got him to offer on camera that, you know, if I would build it, he would let me take the keys. And so this. This entire thing has just sort of sprouted into. This is the second year of it.
Craig Ferguson
And one of the stand for stem.
Carrie Byron
The science, science, technology, engineering, and math. Okay, I like to say science fair, but. But STEM Festival seemed like it was more all encompassing for a lot of kids, so we went with that. But I did my research. I went and found all of the people that worked on the first science fair that I had hosted with Bill Nye. And they said that their one regret was that they tied it to an administration so that it became partisan, and that makes it go away when another administration comes in. So we decided, my business partner Jenny Buchos and I, that we were going to take that aspect away, take the politics out of it. And so we work in conjunction with. With all the government agencies, and they are there, and they are part of it, but nobody owns it. It's completely on its own. We get all of the funding from the STEM community, so we actually get businesses. Everyone from Autodesk to Nokia to GM to IndyCar are all helping us sponsor the festival because they're creating the workforce of the future with these kids. So we get the whole STEM community to support these kids. We separate it from governments, make it bipartisan, and it's really just all about supporting brilliance, supporting excellence, and supporting these kids. So it's not just focusing on the kids, but the entire STEM community is showing up.
Craig Ferguson
I think it's great. I mean, for you. I mean, because I know you and I know you are not putting it on. You are relentlessly positive, which is. Which is very interesting to me. Do you never. Do you ever get discouraged? Do you ever feel like, oh, fuck this, I can't. I can't listen. I mean. Cause, look, you give me five minutes with a politician, I can't. I lose the will to live. Any of them. Any. No matter what stripe they have, they're just foul people. They're awful.
Carrie Byron
They're not all the headline grabbers, though, I gotta say. So one of the things that was always great about mythbusters is the audience was. Was very broad, and it was eight to eight. It was men and women. It was blue, it was red. We did so many things that just people communally enjoyed. So it didn't matter where I was or who I was talking to. I could walk up to the bluest of the blue or the reddest of the red and build some bridges, because I do like creating that community of we're all more alike than different. And so when we, as the company that I founding with Jenny Buchos, which is explore, which is an educational platform, we conceived of this great idea. We wanted to make STEM Week. So we partner with Shark Week, but with math. Yes.
Craig Ferguson
Yes. I love it.
Carrie Byron
We want National STEM Week to happen that is just celebrating STEM and all things that are stem. So we partnered up with cosi, which is like the number one science museum out in Ohio, and we authored this bill that went onto the floor that was introduced by Republicans to the floor and is now we're getting both Republican and Democratic support to create the STEM Week act to make an official.
Craig Ferguson
Congratulations. I think you're the only one that's crossing the floor right now. That's amazing.
Carrie Byron
We're trying. We're trying. We're doing our best, but it's going places. Because, you know, it's not necessarily the headline grabbers. It's the people that are doing the work that are really, really. These, they. They were. They were lovely. And I, you know, I was walking into offices all over the Capitol building of different parties, and one thing you can get behind is smart kids. And I, I, I think that this is a unifying. It's a unifying event here.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, yeah, it's. It's also, It's. It doesn't seem to me to contain a very. An obvious polemic right away. I mean, who can be against kids saving Earth? I think that's okay. But I think that's also the plot of Space Jam. Oh, no. It's cartoon characters saving Earth, but it's very similar. Well, listen, I wish we had more time. Well, we do have more time. Cause we're friends. And I'll talk to you again. But we don't have any more time right now for this. But I'll be out on the west coast soon. Are you gonna be there for a while?
Carrie Byron
Yeah. So I will come to your show and if you could bring your wife, because I really like her.
Craig Ferguson
I will bring my wife. To be honest, when Meghan goes somewhere, it's because she wants to go there. Is that I don't bring her anywhere. She goes where she wants to go.
Carrie Byron
I realize this.
Craig Ferguson
Yeah, I think we know. The power dynamic in my house is fairly obvious. And I'm fine with it. I'm very happy with it. All right, well, tons of love to you. Thank you so much for being on and I'll speak to you very soon. I think I'm out there in a couple of weeks. I'll give you a shout out.
Carrie Byron
Oh, fantastic. Yeah, anytime I can get you in the room. The whole reason I'm doing this podcast is so I can just, you know.
Craig Ferguson
Shoot the preview so we can chat. I know.
Carrie Byron
Yeah.
Craig Ferguson
All right. You swear a lot less in podcast land, though.
Carrie Byron
I'm doing that on purpose.
Craig Ferguson
Good for you. I'm very impressed.
Carrie Byron
I'm a pirate off camera. I know, I know.
Craig Ferguson
That's okay. That's okay. Some of it's got to be for you. You got to have your own thing. All right. Get the out of here. All right, we're done. To you.
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Joy, a Podcast
Episode: Carrie Byron
Release Date: February 11, 2025
Host: Craig Ferguson
Guest: Carrie Byron
Hosted by: iHeartPodcasts
In this insightful episode of Joy, a Podcast, hosted by the ever-charismatic Craig Ferguson, the discussion delves deep into the sources of joy and fulfillment in a seemingly chaotic world. The guest, Carrie Byron, renowned for her role on MythBusters, brings a unique perspective blending science, art, and personal growth.
Craig opens the conversation with an intriguing question about Carrie’s lineage, asking if she’s related to the famous poet Lord Byron.
Craig Ferguson [03:36]: “Are you in any way related to Lord Byron?”
Carrie responds with a charming anecdote about her father’s storytelling, fostering her early love for poetry and literature.
Carrie Byron [03:36]: “According to my father, yes. But my father was one of those big fish kind of guys that tells really great stories.”
She reflects on her childhood memories of listening to Lord Byron's poetry with her father, highlighting the profound emotional connections fostered during those moments.
Carrie Byron [04:15]: “On his deathbed I read him Lord Byron poetry. I feel like he did.”
Transitioning from literature to art, Carrie discusses her passion for sculpture and how it shaped her early career aspirations.
Carrie Byron [06:35]: “I thought I was going to become this really cool sculptor and my life was going to be arty.”
Despite challenges in selling her artwork, Carrie’s perseverance led her to MythBusters, where her artistic skills found a new avenue in special effects and model making.
Carrie Byron [06:20]: “She is just an amazing welder and very, very cool. I was just the longest running and consistently the first one.”
As the longest-running member of the MythBusters team, Carrie shares her experiences navigating the show, especially as the only woman for the majority of its run.
Carrie Byron [23:32]: “I was like a shy person that pretends to be extroverted. So, I mean, it was hard at first.”
She recounts memorable experiments, including the infamous "Duh Girls Fart" segment, shedding light on the lighter side of the show’s scientific explorations.
Carrie Byron [13:03]: “We rigged up a pair of hydrogen sulfide detecting panties. I hate it when Jamie says panties. It freaks me out.”
Carrie’s fascination with explosions extended beyond the show, inspiring her unique black powder artwork.
Carrie Byron [08:52]: “That was, like, one of my favorites.”
Carrie elaborates on her artistic endeavors using controlled explosions to create dynamic charcoal paintings. She explains the meticulous process of masking areas with polymer clay to achieve intricate negative spaces.
Carrie Byron [09:16]: “I explode this polymer clay to mask off areas and then set off black powder behind it.”
Her work explores themes of connectivity, humanity, and quantum physics, blending chaos with structured artistry.
Carrie Byron [10:26]: “All of my abstract stuff has a theme of connectivity, humanity and quantum physics.”
Before embarking on her career with MythBusters, Carrie spent a transformative year traveling the world. From the beaches of Fiji to the bustling streets of Japan, these experiences profoundly shaped her worldview and mission to build bridges across cultures.
Carrie Byron [14:03]: “I traveled around the world for about a year. Country to country.”
She emphasizes how these journeys instilled a deep sense of humanity and connection, influencing her later work in STEM advocacy.
Carrie Byron [14:46]: “I learned so much about myself and the world.”
The conversation shifts to the burgeoning field of Artificial Intelligence. Carrie shares her insights on AI’s rapid development and its implications for humanity.
Carrie Byron [27:12]: “AI is talking to each other, and the thinking is getting more and more human.”
She discusses her cautious optimism, highlighting AI’s potential in solving complex problems while acknowledging the mysteries of human consciousness that remain uncharted.
Carrie Byron [27:32]: “I don't think we're going to be able to put human personality into machines because the mysteries of all the electricity that happens to us and why it happens, it’s a mystery.”
Carrie also touches upon her use of AI to comprehend and explain complex STEM projects, enhancing her ability to support young innovators.
Carrie Byron [41:38]: "I am currently using AI to help me be a better person, be a smarter person."
As the Director of the National STEM Festival, Carrie is at the forefront of nurturing young talent in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics. She describes the festival's mission to celebrate and support budding innovators nationwide.
Carrie Byron [52:26]: “It's all about supporting brilliance, supporting excellence, and supporting these kids.”
Carrie recounts the festival’s inclusive approach, securing bipartisan support and corporate sponsorships to ensure its sustainability and impact.
Carrie Byron [55:15]: “We separate it from governments, make it bipartisan, and it's really just all about supporting brilliance.”
Carrie passionately advocates for the younger generation, emphasizing their role as solution seekers and innovators tackling global challenges. She highlights inspiring projects, such as cost-effective medical tests developed by young minds.
Carrie Byron [32:13]: “There's this kid, Tyler in Connecticut, who's come up with a cost-effective test that can find iodine deficiencies.”
Her optimism is rooted in witnessing how youth leverage technology and creativity to drive positive change, countering the often-negative stereotypes about younger generations.
Carrie Byron [46:35]: “They are solution seekers and innovators and they are looking to problems instead of... How am I going to wake up tomorrow?”
In closing, Carrie reflects on the interconnectedness of science and art, and how platforms like the National STEM Festival can foster a united, hopeful community. Craig Ferguson echoes her sentiments, recognizing the vital role of diverse perspectives in shaping a positive future.
Craig Ferguson [51:18]: “It's great that you became famous and sciency even. Although you were just an intern trying to get a job with Jamie.”
Their conversation culminates in mutual admiration and a shared vision for nurturing the next generation of thinkers and creators.
Carrie Byron [03:36]: “According to my father, yes. But my father was one of those big fish kind of guys that tells really great stories.”
Carrie Byron [08:52]: “That was, like, one of my favorites.”
Carrie Byron [32:13]: “There's this kid, Tyler in Connecticut, who's come up with a cost-effective test that can find iodine deficiencies.”
Carrie Byron [46:35]: “They are solution seekers and innovators and they are looking to problems instead of like, oh my God, this is crushing.”
Carrie Byron [52:26]: “It's all about supporting brilliance, supporting excellence, and supporting these kids.”
This episode of Joy offers a compelling exploration of how joy can be found through creativity, scientific inquiry, and fostering the potential of future generations. Carrie Byron's journey from a shy artist to a celebrated science advocate serves as an inspiring testament to the transformative power of passion and perseverance.