Born to Lead | The Dinnell Twins Return | Girl Dad | JP Dinnell Podcast 072

Summary

JP Dinnell Podcast 072: "Born to Lead | The Dinnell Twins Return | Girl Dad"

Release Date: February 7, 2025
Host(s): JP Dinnell, Lucas Pinckard
Guests: The Dinnell Twins (Cora & Nola Dinnell – JP’s daughters, age 13)

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Overview

This special annual "birthday episode" brings back JP Dinnell’s twin daughters, Cora and Nola, for a candid discussion about growth, faith, discipline, family milestones, and leadership from a "girl dad" perspective. The conversation—facilitated by friend and co-host Lucas—peels back the curtain on parenting, homeschool versus traditional schooling, jiu jitsu, faith journeys, goals, memorable events, and life lessons.

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Main Discussion Themes

• Navigating Adolescence, Friendships & Faith
• Transitioning from Traditional to Homeschool Education
• Family, Discipline & Service
• Women in Leadership, Sports, and Military Ambitions
• Business Ventures, American Manufacturing & Leadership Lessons
• Personal Wellness, Body Image & Positive Habits
• Values, Purpose, and Building Legacy

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Key Discussion Points, Insights, and Timestamps

1. Skincare and Normalizing Teenage Challenges

[00:40 – 01:15]

• The twins openly discuss acne and teenage skin struggles.

• Lucas jokes about facial hair as a remedy ("I just grew my beard out…").

• Cora and Nola talk about lavender-scented beef tallow skincare products.

  “Let's normalize having acne as a 13 year old.” – Nola [01:04]

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2. Growing Through Friendships, Faith, and Jiu Jitsu

[02:28 – 13:48]

• The girls reflect on finishing the school year at Trinity Prep and discuss faith-based friendships made at church youth camps (Elevate and BOTS—Battle of the Sexes).
• Cora and Nola share testimonies about support systems after a serious Jiu Jitsu injury, emphasizing prayer, compassion, and resilience.
• JP explains BOTS as biblically-based exposure therapy to modern adolescent issues in a safe environment.
• Cora illustrates how she feels the Holy Spirit guiding her to support friends in prayer ("I saw a vision of her bowing before the cross..." [10:32]).
• Scripture that guided them: Psalm 91:11.

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3. Transitioning to Homeschool

[15:04 – 24:26]

• The family experiences increased freedom and flexibility through homeschooling, particularly accommodating jiu jitsu training and travel.

• The girls describe discipline challenges, the privilege of learning at home, and being more involved in household chore routines.

  “Most kids don't do well sitting inside all day long in one spot... For our kids, it wasn't ideal.” – JP [20:58]

• The twins value being able to walk around, be active, and learn in a way that best suits them.

• Realization that homeschooling is a privilege that many peers don’t have.

• Curriculum trial and error: learning to "buckle down" and self-motivate.

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4. Jiu Jitsu: Growth, Competition & Family Bonding

[25:21 – 32:30]

• Both girls share their progress and injuries in jiu jitsu; Cora reflects on competition nerves, and Nola talks about practical and emotional support from teammates and friends.
• Family ethos: nerves before competition are healthy and natural.
• Playful recounting of signature moves, sibling rivalry, and motivation for future competitions.

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5. Ambitions and Life Planning

[32:30 – 35:31]

• Nola aspires to interior design at Cornell University—and possibly starting her own bespoke home decor business.
• Cora considers UCL or a military track, aiming to be a sniper like her father, but also enjoys cosmetology, hair, and makeup.
• Discussion of women in special operations and military paths.

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6. Lessons from American Manufacturing & Origin Maine

[41:05 – 46:08]

• The twins reflect on annual visits to Origin Maine, seeing American jobs in action, and learning about the discipline, leadership, and work ethic of Pete and Amanda Roberts.

• Key takeaways: Nothing comes for free; hard work and a healthy environment matter; treating employees as family is powerful.

  “It teaches me to know that stuff doesn't come for free... It’s not like they knew how to run a business when they started.” – Nola [45:13]

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7. Summer Highlights & Faith-Based Experiences

[46:32 – 53:18]

• The twins share favorite memories: worship mosh pits, crowd surfing at summer camps, and the importance of music, faith, and community.
• Discussion of the physical and social growth from attending Christian camps—how even wild moments come with lessons about safety, connection, and fun.

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8. Health, Fitness, and Body Image

[53:18 – 56:59]

• The girls set goals: improve strength, get consistent with workouts, support each other in health, and build good food relationships.

• They reject unhealthy focus on weight and the scale, emphasizing confidence and feeling strong.

• JP underscores the lesson: the scale is less important than health and capability.

  “It doesn't matter what the scale says. If I wake up and feel strong and am healthy, I don't need to look at it.” – Cora [56:01]

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9. Spiritual Practices & Guarding Faith

[57:07 – 58:51]

• Cora and Nola outline habits: reading the Bible in the morning and evening, listening to worship music, and surrounding themselves with positive, Godly friends.

• Knowing when to step back from negative relationships to protect faith and purpose.

  “Change your friends or change your friends.” – JP [59:01]

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10. Babysitting, Responsibility, and Sign Language

[59:09 – 67:04]

• The twins detail their organized, safety-conscious babysitting business: CPR/First Aid training, parental forms, routine planning, and even learning ASL to be inclusive for hard-of-hearing children.
• Anecdotes of teaching babysitting kids jiu jitsu, and how little things like bedtime routines build trust.

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11. Gorillas, Chickens & Humor

[67:33 – 69:47]

• Lighthearted banter: aspirations for owning a gorilla (for dad-waking purposes!), fear of New York City, and chicken-whispering skills.

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12. Lessons from the Bible & Body Confidence

[70:00 – 77:08]

• Cora and Nola reflect on scripture that taught them to guard their hearts, maintain purity, and be “doers of the Word.”

• Frank talk about body image, peer comparison, and the wisdom learned from Jocko Willink's daughter, Rana: “Everyone's insecure about something... comparison is the thief of joy” ([76:29]).

  “You are fearfully and wonderfully made, and the Bible says you’re worth more than rubies.” – Cora [76:43]

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13. Closing Highlights & Memorable Quotes

[77:08 – 87:00]

• The twins joke about JP being forever a purple belt (“purple forever!”).

• Final words encourage staying real, maintaining perspective, and continuing to build legacy.

  “Stay real, I guess.” – Nola [86:57]

  “I would rather have my dad over $5 million any day.” – Cora [69:44]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Let’s normalize having acne as a 13 year old, okay?” – Nola [01:04]
• “It’s awesome having Godly friends. We even got baptized together.” – Nola [06:46]
• “If you are reading the Bible and you're listening to worship music...then [God] can work through you to help them and help you.” – Cora [10:16]
• “Freedom. Traveling. And not dealing with drama.” – Cora, on homeschooling [17:19]
• “I don't want to work a 9-to-5. I'm starting my own business.” – Nola [32:35]
• “Comparison is the thief of joy.” – Lucas [76:29]
• “You are fearfully and wonderfully made...worth more than rubies.” – Cora [76:43]
• “Stay real, I guess.” – Nola [86:57]
• “I would rather have my dad over $5 million any day.” – Cora [69:44]

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Episode Structure & Timestamps

00:01 – 01:32 Introductions, birthday tradition, skincare chat
02:28 – 13:48 School & faith—Elevate recaps, BOTS, supporting friends, baptism
15:04 – 24:26 Homeschooling—motivation, structure, freedom
25:21 – 32:30 Jiu jitsu—progress, competition nerves, sibling rivalry
32:30 – 35:31 Ambitions—college plans, military/cosmetology dreams
41:05 – 46:08 Origin Maine visit—manufacturing, leadership lessons
46:32 – 53:18 Summer highlights—camp stories, worship mosh pits
53:18 – 56:59 Health, wellness, and body positivity
57:07 – 58:51 Faith habits, healthy friendships, spiritual growth
59:09 – 67:04 Babysitting business, sign language, responsibility
67:33 – 69:47 Humor—gorilla discussions, chickens, parenting banter
70:00 – 77:08 Bible lessons, guarding faith and confidence, wisdom from role models
77:08 – 87:00 Closing thoughts, inside jokes, social media plugs

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Overall Tone

• Warm, humorous, authentic, and family-focused.
• At once playful—with teen energy and jokes—and earnest about lessons in faith, responsibility, and discipline.

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Summary

JP Dinnell’s annual “girl dad” podcast episode remains a touching reflection on intergenerational learning, resilience, ambition, and gratitude. Through open discussion and lighthearted teasing, JP, Lucas, and the Dinnell twins offer listeners a blueprint for raising capable, faith-driven, and self-aware young leaders. This episode blends meaningful advice ("discipline equals freedom," "comparison is the thief of joy") with relatable moments and laughter, leaving listeners uplifted and inspired, whether they’re parents, teens, educators, or leaders themselves.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning. This is the JP Donnell podcast, episode 72. I am JP Donnell, and as always, I have Lucas with me today. I am very excited to be able to once again sit down with my two beautiful daughters, Cora and Nola. What's up, girls? How are you?

[B]

Good.

[C]

Perfect.

[A]

Good. This is our annual birthday recording. Even though we're a few weeks behind. I know I'm excited to get this episode out to our listeners. The last time you guys were on the show, man, we had a lot of really good feedback. We did a lot of good feedback, a lot of good interact, and I'm looking forward to the conversations to see where they take us. Lucas, what do you got to kick off the evening with the Danelle twins?

[D]

I just need updates on how things have been going in your skincare regimens. That's my number one question.

[B]

Mine has not been doing so good. My acne has.

[C]

It has only five purple patches.

[B]

Guys, don't look.

[A]

It's all good. Okay?

[D]

This is the hd. They're gonna see them.

[B]

It's part of being a teenager.

[C]

So, guys, make sure you look at pimples.

[B]

Let's normalize having acne as a 13 year old, okay?

[A]

Yeah, I mean, that's actually a very valid statement. 100 legitimate because. Yeah, a lot of kids, I can't control it.

[D]

You know how I got rid of my acne? I just grew my beard out, so.

[B]

Oh, well, yeah, mine doesn't grow in, so that's good.

[A]

It's not coming in.

[D]

It's healthy for a young lady to not have a beard.

[A]

You guys use the beef tallow products, the skin care from Little Calico.

[B]

Yes, that does help my acting.

[C]

Affirmative.

[A]

It does. Out. Okay, cool.

[D]

Affirmative.

[A]

Affirmative.

[D]

What. What flavor do you use?

[C]

Flavors.

[B]

Like.

[D]

Like scent.

[B]

We have, like the. The lavender one. I like the lavender one. That's my favorite.

[C]

See, body lotions are scents, but lip balms and lip glosses are flavors. That's the, like. Okay.

[A]

That's the only thing I. I like that education.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, cool. So let's see. The last year, there's been.

[D]

I mean, crazy.

[A]

We can talk about Jiu Jitsu. We can talk about school, and then.

[D]

Homeschool, and then candles come in flavors, then Hawaii.

[C]

No.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Candles come in flavors.

[D]

I should stop eating them.

[B]

No wonder you're like this natural. Let me. I was about to say this makes so much more sense.

[A]

Okay, let's go from last year. You guys finish out the school year. Eternity Prep. Correct.

[C]

Yarp.

[A]

Yep. Okay. And had a good year. Met some really Good friends. And I know at Elevate recently you guys were asked to talk and let's, let's talk about what you guys share to Elevate in regards to, like the friendships that you have with people at church. And then from Trinity Prep that, you know, started going to Elevate with you guys and going to Milestone. Let's just kind of open that door.

[C]

I'll go first.

[A]

Okay, go.

[C]

So basically what I talked about at Elevate is finding like good godly friendships. And I explained how one of my best friends, Gabby. Shout out to Gabby if you're watching this.

[D]

Gabs.

[C]

Gabsters. She's the one who, like, helped me from. Whenever I, like, broke two of my ribs. I broke two of my ribs training jiu Jitsu. And so, like, that was kind of hard for me because I was going to bots, one of our camps that our church does.

[A]

BOTS stands for Battle of the Sexes. It is something that they do for junior hires just to. To learn about things that kids are getting exposed to.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, hey, how do we, we know kids are going to be exposed to these things? Let's do it in a controlled environment that's biblically based and it's, it's an awesome event and it's also really fun.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What do they, what do they call that? Like, exposure therapy kind of things of like, you know, if there's a. There's a lot of clinical psychologists, like, if you're afraid of snakes, you know, they put a snake in the room and they like, open the door and they're like, hey, there's a snake that's going to be in this room. Like, you can look at it. And then the next time you kind of take a step in the room, that same sort of thing like, hey, you're going to be exposed to this. Let's talk about it before, you know, you. Yeah. You have to encounter it in the wild and.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Don't really know what's happening.

[A]

Yeah. And it's good because it's an educational opportunity.

[D]

Right.

[A]

That's done through our church. And I know, I know your guys church does something similar. There's a lot of churches out there that do things for their teenagers and their youth and. Yeah. But yeah, BOTS is an incredible event at Milestone. And as Nola was getting ready to go there, they were trying to Jiu jitsu and she was passing, doing a pass on one of her friends. Cartwheel pass, Cartwheel pass. And didn't want to come down and, like, in her. Yeah, her friend moved and she was gonna land hard on her friend, like, on her face.

[C]

Yeah, I probably would have broke her.

[A]

Neck to do that to her friend. And so she ended up literally, like, scorpion rolling up and over.

[D]

Oh, and I do know what the scorpion roll is.

[A]

Yeah. Fractured two of her ribs.

[C]

Viral. Fractured it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Oh, no.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Like, twisted.

[A]

The first thing. First. What was the first thing that you said?

[C]

I'm still going to bots.

[A]

She's like on the mat crying. Amanda runs out there.

[C]

I'm still going to bot, guys.

[A]

Yeah. So we reached out to the leaders and kind of told them what was going on, and they're like, hey, you know, she wants to. And. And so Nola shared about how, you know, when she was at camp, Gabby and a lot of her friends really stepped up. So why don't you share what that experience was like to you and what it meant to you.

[C]

So Gabby was one of the first persons I told whenever I broke my ribs. And she was like, okay, well, what can I do to help you at camp and stuff? And I remember saying, like, just pray for me. And, like, if you want to help me, you can. And so she did pray for me. And, like, all of my friends were praying for me. And my small group leader, Gracie, she was praying for me. And it was just like, really nice to know that I had, like, 12, 15 girls praying over me to make sure I was safe and I would heal. And like, Gabby, whenever we were on the bus, like, riding to camp, she was like, she was holding my bags for me and stuff. Like, whenever we got there, she held my bag so I wouldn't have to carry it and all that stuff. And right as you get there, go into tribores games and whatever. And I wasn't able to compete, so I was really upset about that. So she literally sat out on the tribores. Whenever she could be competing and hanging out with everybody, she decided to, like, to sit with me instead. And so it was, like, really nice having, like, her. And she was really encouraging and she remembered me to stay. She reminded me to stay strong and, like, be with God and everything. And so she was being a really good godly friend.

[A]

That's cool.

[C]

We even, me, Gabby and Cora, we even got baptized together.

[A]

So awesome. That's legit. That's rad. Cora, what was bots like for you? And then we can talk about what you talked about.

[B]

Well, starting off, when we're on the top of topic of spots, I mean, it definitely helps kids with like temptation. I know some deal with videos or just like, some of them just act too grown. I feel like. I mean, definitely in this generation and the kids that I. I've been around, they. They try and have more grown minds and attitudes and it just literally botches helps with. It's like a wake up call. Like, hey, you're not married. You're not, you know, and you just don't need to fall into that sin at this age.

[A]

That's good.

[B]

It's not healthy.

[A]

That's good. So you enjoyed Tribe wars at bots?

[B]

I helped win two times.

[D]

Explain to me the tribe Wars.

[A]

I don't know if you remember the video. I sent it to the group for.

[B]

Jesus in jiu jitsu called kajabi. Kajabi.

[A]

She'll describe it normally.

[B]

And it's like two ropes this long, as long as my arm, if not longer. And you have a trash can in the middle. And so each team from each tribe, each color you have, and it's like hard rubber that you grip onto and you have to try. If you touch the trash can or if you rip out of their hands, then they lose.

[D]

I remember this.

[B]

Or you lose. And I lost once. But the other times I had to go. I had to go against one of my really good friends, Willow, and she's feisty. I had to turn it on for that. Like, I had to fight her.

[C]

It was super funny.

[B]

And then I remember I was going on long, this big, strong, tall girl because I'm five foot. So to anyone else, you were also.

[A]

In sixth grade and she was in eighth.

[B]

I was actually probably four 11 then, actually.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

So four 11. And she was in eighth grade. I was in sixth grade. And I think she. Because we talked after she did like baseball or something, and you could tell she was strong. So I had to go against her. And I thought she was gonna win, but clearly I won because I went for the team.

[D]

Clearly one team, one fight.

[A]

Yep. So. Yeah, but what. What skill set gave you the ability to win? What were you simulating? Collar snap downs.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Literally. That's because that's what I do in jiu jitsu.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If I can't get him down, I do a collar snap.

[A]

Yeah. If Cora can't get a foot, foot, sweep, trip or take down, she will call or drag you to the mat.

[C]

That's why we're not allowed to roll together anymore, because then I won't then. Whenever she taps after she collar drags me, then I won't let go if she taps.

[B]

So she just gets mad to the point where she will not.

[D]

I, I frustrated somebody that tried to collar snap me this weekend.

[A]

Yeah, the Jiu Jitsu. We're gonna talk about that tournament.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. We don't have to.

[B]

But I mean personally doing collar snaps, it makes, when someone does it on me, I can, it makes me mad. I don't know why, but I love doing it to other people cuz I win. So.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh yeah. But what I talked about at church is it's called Elevate by Elevate. E by E for short. And on Wednesday, me and Nola spoke. She talked about godly friendships and friendships and bots. And I talked about how to have, how to hear the Holy Spirit and how to have a relationship with him and how you can help your friends and family, like come closer to him and get to know Jesus and, and like how if you are listening to worship and you're trying to hear God and you're trying to hear the Holy Spirit and see what he's like, what he holds for you and your family, then it gives you the advantage so he can work through you to help them and to help you share the.

[A]

Story of what happened.

[B]

So Gabs was staying the night and I remember it was Friday night and you know, we, after dinner we're like, okay, let's put on some praise and worship and then we'll turn off the lights and then we put on like a more of a serious slow worship song. And I'm praying for one of my best friends because I know that she's going through a lot at home and I'm praying for her brother, just the whole family overall. And you know, I, in the moment I remember God was like, he definitely put her on my heart. And I saw like a vision of her bowing before the cross. And I saw a vision of her praising on her knees, giving her life to the Lord to elevate. And I started crying because I knew I was in the Holy Spirit's presence. But then I felt this not so holy presence and I feel like I couldn't move. And I remember like my body got really cold and I couldn't move and I just, the vision immediately went from my mind and then that's when I knew, like I said, I rebuke in the name of Jesus Christ. And whatever it was, it flew obviously. And I got up and ran out the front door and I called one of my spiritual mentors, Ms. Liz Wagner, which is one of our pastor's wife's, Pastor Jessie. And I'm on the phone with her and I'm sobbing and she has Jesse on the phone with me. And I'm like, I just felt the Holy Spirit and I just felt a different spirit. And I casted it out and I was seeing visions and I heard the Lord talking to me and I started to do it more and she was talking to me and she sent me some scripture and she was like, cora, you can hear the Holy Spirit. You have that gift to where you can hear the Spirit, hear the Holy Spirit speaking to you and guiding you to help your friends. And then I called one of my other spiritual mentors, Gracie, and she also sent me the same scripture. She didn't know I was on the phone with Liz, so she sent me the same scripture. And the next day, mom, my dad, he was on a camping trip and he got some of the pastors to pray over me. And it was the same scripture. My mom came back with a bracelet with the same scripture they both sent me. And I don't have it on me, but I usually carry it around me literally everywhere I go.

[D]

So what was the scripture?

[B]

It was Psalms 99, 11. For the Lord. Was it for the Lord will command his angels to come down and protect you? Yeah. So that whole thing with what I learned in the moment from hearing the Holy Spirit is like, you can. You can really hear him and get to see what he has free for your family and friends. If you're reading the Bible and you're listening to worship music and you're just constantly. Not constantly, but if you're like praying and just living in that lifestyle. And that's what I was trying to help people, my brothers and sisters at church, to come to realize because not a lot 12 year olds know how to do that.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not a common mindset.

[B]

I just wanted them to realize what they're capable of, you know?

[A]

That's cool.

[C]

What tea is that?

[D]

That is. This tea is called Throat Coat. It's made by a company called Organics. And. And it helps with, like, if your voice is like mine, where it's been overused and brutalized that it. It actually takes it. It's made with slippery elm. And yeah, it. It tastes very medicinal, but. And it's very effective.

[C]

What flavor is, bro?

[D]

It's so good.

[C]

Like, what flavor does it taste like?

[D]

So it. It tastes like slippery elm.

[C]

So what is that?

[D]

You know what? Here, since. No, you can. You can have a little sip of it. It's super hot. Yeah, it's. It's kind of so For a tea. Teas have a lot of body, so they can be, like, really thick. So it's. It's got a lot of body to it. It's a very smooth mouth feel, and it has a very earthy taste, but. But it's not real, like, bitter or acidic.

[A]

So sweet. Awesome. Well, now we know.

[D]

There you go.

[A]

Okay, so that was a cool event that happened last year. You know, you guys enjoyed school. You had some friends there, but you guys also wanted a little more freedom.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Just for the way you guys think and interact and learn also. Yeah. The training of jiu jitsu, you know, the ability to travel when we can as a family. So you guys decided to homeschool, and we had some conversations about it because.

[B]

We weren't doing what we needed to do on our end.

[A]

Yeah. And what was the original agreement that we talked about that you guys agreed to so that we would be able to homeschool? Do you guys remember that?

[B]

Train twice a week if we're not busy or if we're not feeling good? If we are feeling good.

[A]

Yeah. Well, feeling not feeling good is not a reason not to train.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You have to be legitimately sick or injured, not hurt, because you can still train when you're hurt. So you have to be injured or sick. So it was trained twice a week. What else?

[B]

Do a daily devotional, right? Yeah, I do that.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. I know you both do.

[B]

Helping mom around the house, which you've been slacking.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Oopsies.

[B]

Hold on. But I've gotten better at it.

[A]

Oh, not something you haven't, guys. Not hard to get better from that baseline.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And then also, what was the agreement in regards to how you guys would be conducting yourself in regards to doing your work?

[B]

I actually don't remember that one.

[A]

No phones. Focusing. Starting in the morning, not pushing back. Getting a workout in.

[B]

Okay. But I do, like, do workouts in the morning sometimes. You can ask Mom.

[C]

I do them at night because I don't sleep at night.

[A]

Okay. Yeah.

[B]

Shouldn't sleep.

[A]

Okay. So we had a rough go initially.

[B]

Yeah, we're getting there.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

We're getting there.

[A]

Yeah. It's okay. What do you. What's. What's been the best part of homeschooling for you guys?

[B]

The freedom. Traveling and not dealing with. Because a lot of my friends go to public school. Not dealing with drama, and a few of them go to public private school.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So private school was basically like public school, just more strict for the teachers, I'd say. And the kids definitely did not get away with a lot, but whatever.

[D]

Did you have to call your principal, a headmaster at your private school?

[B]

I would have not called her that. I mean, if she told me to call her that, I would have called her principal, in my opinion.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I'm trying to figure out how British your school was.

[A]

Yeah. And I mean, it was. You know, it's like a hybrid program. You know, they called it a prep academy. It wasn't supposed to be. They didn't want it to be called a co op or anything like that. It was a prep academy. So they went two days a week. And those two days, they enjoyed it. But it was also. It wasn't. They weren't getting as much as they wanted from it. Like, to be honest, we really thought they were gonna get a lot more from that school. And nothing bad about the school. I mean, they have friends that are still there. You know, we know people that go there. It's. It's great just for what our girls needed and wanted. Didn't give us what we wanted.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And it's like, okay, now the Apogee program, I wish it was at their age. They're literally one. Every year, they've been one year above what that school has grown to.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And actually the one in Keller, I met the owners of it. They go very cool. And. But, yeah, so that. That's like more what they're wanting and needing and so.

[D]

And you didn't want to hold them back. Yeah. Make them.

[A]

No. I mean, that's an option, but. No.

[B]

Yeah, we're. We're not doing that. Okay.

[C]

I'm really offended right now.

[D]

I'm just asking, you know.

[A]

Yeah. You guys are easily offended. So, you know, whole generation, there's been some shifts and changes. Now, obviously, part of it is the age you guys are in and the access to technology and your friends, and there's a lot going on. What is. Besides the freedom and the time freedom? Being able to, like, you know, travel to Jiu Jitsu and, you know, what. What have you enjoyed about homeschooling?

[B]

I say, like, one. This is gonna be an obvious one. I sleep in sometimes.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I get to stay up late. Other times.

[A]

It'S a little more conducive to our lifestyle. Where.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We train Jiu Jitsu. I train Jiu Jitsu. They'll be at the gym with Amanda watching me sometimes. And then by time we get home, it's. If we go grab dinner or something, it's 9, 45, 10 o'. Clock.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

By the time we even get home, and then showering, change, and then we.

[B]

Have church on some nights, and then we're out doing other things with family, friends, so. But other nights, I do get up and I do get my schoolwork done, all my chores. But other things that I do love is that I'm at home. I, like, obviously, like, I pray about this a lot, but, like, I dealt with a lot of anxiety when I went to Trinity Prep and public school. And when I realized, like, when I was at home, I felt just like, more comfortable and just more. Yeah, more comfortable and more at home. And I can learn better. Like, if I'm not sitting, I can't sit still ever. So, like, mom will let me, like, get up and walk around or all this, but if I was at school, then they're gonna have me sit down until it's, like, lunchtime or something. You know, that's. We had a bunch of, like, 12, 40 in the afternoon, and then we had to sit down for, like, three more hours.

[A]

Yeah. So they understand. We've talked about it, how fortunate we are to have the ability that Amanda can homeschool.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I don't. I think there are some kids that do well, but most kids don't do well sitting inside all day long in one spot. You know, it's just. It's not ideal. And for our kids, it wasn't ideal. And we had the ability to homeschool and to control the curriculum and those things. It was really important for us. And, you know, the reason why I bring it up is one, just to talk about, you know, their life. But also, I thought it was really cool, them understanding. Now we talked. We've slacked on a few things, but that's fine. You know, that's just part of life and, you know, learning lessons along the way. But them understanding, like, the privilege that they had to be home for sure.

[B]

A bunch of my friends are like, I want to homeschool, but both my parents work. I didn't realize, like, until I was, like, older. I'd say like 11. I didn't realize that a bunch of moms aren't housewives. There are good. A handful, but, like, most of my friends, their moms work a 9 to 5, same as their dad, and they get home and they're with their dogs or whatever. So. Yeah. Another thing that I like about homeschools, that I don't have to deal with drama or teachers because there's just some.

[A]

Teachers that are aligned with our values.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Does it also, as you guys have gotten older, how much More. Do you guys appreciate everything that mom does for our family?

[C]

A lot.

[A]

Yeah. When people, you know, make a comment about, oh, does your wife work or does your mom work? I'm like, she works more than somebody at a job.

[B]

But then again, 24, 7.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. But then we also have a lot of empathy for families where both parents have to work full time and then they have all the family duties and all the kid duties and everything else like that. So, you know, it's been cool for us to sit and talk and just be thankful for what we have. Thankful for, for what Amanda does, and thankful for what we're able to do as a family. And it's just showed, you know, some different perspectives.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Which I think is important as we get older.

[D]

And it is an adjustment, man. So, like, I in. I was public schooled through junior high, and then my freshman year, I went to a private school, and then I was homeschooled after that. And each one of those, like, different phases, there's an adjustment to it. And I think the biggest one was, like, the discipline that's necessary for homeschool. I didn't really get it until, like, the second semester of my sophomore year. Because that first one, you're just, like, enjoying the freedom so much, and you realize, like, oh, I don't have to do this. I can wake up, you know, kind of whatever. And then you get to around Christmas.

[B]

And you're like, if I want to.

[D]

Get done, yeah, Then I have to, like, yeah, I gotta buckle down to do this.

[B]

And that's what we realized, like, towards after Christmas, and, like, we got a new curriculum because old wine was. It was okay, but it wasn't our favorite. This new one, we're already hopping on to the next book, which. The other one took us, like, two months.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

This is the same month, and we're on to the next book. So I think if we can buckle down, we'll get through really fast.

[C]

The other program was just, like, harder, and it was, like, so time consuming. And it was like, in ela, my mom was like, we don't need to do all of it, you know?

[A]

So as you guys change up the curriculum again, you're still getting the same learning objectives.

[C]

Yeah, it's just, like, different, different.

[A]

Just crafted a different way. And it just gives flexibility for them to learn things, how they learn. Yeah.

[D]

And, you know, there's different types of learning. People learn differently, but also with the amount. You know, Cora, you were talking about being kind of kinetic, like, you need to move. Right. That There are certain curriculums that are geared towards like six hours in the classroom and there are others that are more like, hey, here's the two hours that you're going to do here. And then kind of do whatever you need to do as a family. And then here's another, you know, kind of two hour block where we handle these things. And then you figure the rest of it out and yeah, finding the curriculum that works best for you to learn, there's a lot of trial and error that's a part of that. But once you do, man, you, the homeschool kids have the ability to really excel because they're learning in the way that's best for them. So that's cool that you all are figuring that out.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. How is, how has your progression in jiu jitsu been? You guys enjoying it?

[C]

I think it's been good. Yeah.

[B]

I got like an injury, so sometimes that does get in the way. Like if I do something, if I'm sometimes like this one guy that I do roll with, I don't know how, but I always end up injuring myself when I'm rolling with him.

[C]

It's like over shoulder tosses.

[B]

So which I'm not supposed to do that, but I still do it because I really like it. But I need to not. Because if I want to, like actually start training again how I used to before I got my injury, then I need to stop doing certain things. So.

[A]

Yeah, if you heal up. Are you going to do a competition again this year?

[B]

Maybe. I got really nervous.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

So, like, being nervous is okay. There's nothing wrong with that. Lucas. Yes. You just competed.

[D]

I did. I think currently I am in the world rankings. I'm number six in the world in white belt masters two under 195 because only six of us have competed. And so my rank of sixth in the world is going to be followed by a lot of people who are going to compete that haven't yet. I'm pretty sure in a couple of weeks I'm going to have to give that up.

[C]

Sixth of the century.

[D]

But right now, holding on to it. Top 10 in the world at my weight and belt division.

[A]

Did you have some healthy nerves on Saturday?

[D]

So here's the thing. Like, I'm pretty loose.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And this.

[A]

Yes, to the point where it made me nervous, but yeah. Okay, we'll dive into it deeper.

[D]

Yeah, I was, I was gonna say, like, it was. I learned really early on, whether it was competition or performance or speaking or whatever, that I, I have to stay loose and so, like, even to the moment, like, I was getting on the mat and I was making jokes to your dad about, like, literally about to take steps on the mat, and I could tell he was. He was nervous to. Whether or not, like, you were gonna actually. Yeah, like, there was a point at which he looked at me. Well, I think he wasn't nervous as to whether or not I was gonna perform well or whether or not I was gonna. I was taking things seriously. He was nervous as to whether or not I was about to disgrace Jiu jitsu.

[A]

No, there was not.

[B]

For me, it's going to take away your white belt.

[D]

If I would have tied a bow with my multicolored belt, he might have. He might have stripped me of my gi right there. But, yeah, that's. That's a story for another day. But there. There are healthy nerves that are a part of that, and those are a good. They're a good thing, right? Like, those are part of how God created us, to alert us to the things that are happening that are around us, but also to, like, keep us aware of what we're doing and what our opponents are doing and those kinds of things. And nerves. People talk about nerves like, they're a bad thing. Nerves are a good thing. Adrenaline dumps can be pretty awful, but. Yeah, but the rest of that stuff, it's. It's good. And, yeah, me. Me being loose was. I don't know that you were expecting how loose I was pre competition.

[A]

Not even close. Not even close. Yeah, I was. That was not on the bingo card for me.

[B]

So.

[A]

Okay, getting healthy, training hard again. Start doing your privates with Victoria again.

[C]

One time.

[A]

Get a competition again. Cora and Nola, maybe you.

[B]

Okay. You at least need to, because you have.

[C]

Okay, but I just, like, okay, so I feel like Bubba said, like, I need to start training, like, especially whenever I become a blue belt. But I plan to go, like, to going to college, but, like, it's not going to be in Texas.

[B]

What if you get your blue belt before then?

[C]

Well, then, like, yeah, I will. But if I don't. I don't see myself being able to train as much as, like, if I'm in college, because the college that I want to go to is, like, in New York. So it's.

[A]

There's jujitsu gyms in New York.

[C]

I know that. I feel like I wouldn't be able to.

[B]

Or Alexa, I feel like I wouldn't be able to be able to find.

[C]

You, like, train as, like. As a. Like, consistent.

[A]

You can get one or two Classes in a week, you definitely get one class. You can have.

[B]

Sorry.

[A]

Yeah, you could definitely get at least one class in. But that doesn't matter.

[D]

We're talking is, like, four or five years away.

[C]

I know, but I already have it planned because the college I want to go to, like, I have to be prepared for everything. So, like.

[A]

Yeah, okay. So competing this year.

[C]

Maybe tbd.

[A]

Tbd.

[B]

This is, like, to be.

[C]

Continue.

[B]

Me. Oh, guys.

[C]

To be determined.

[A]

To be determined.

[B]

As we're filming this, it's like.

[C]

It's like we're trying to spell cancel45.

[B]

I'm not going to repeat that. Y' all are going to. Y' all are going to be like, homeschool is not working out for them. They need to go to public school.

[C]

No, go ahead and tell them how you spelled cancel.

[B]

Moving on. What do you want to do, like, for. I know last year we talked about your design. Yeah.

[A]

Okay, so what college are you wanting to go to?

[C]

Cornell.

[D]

Wow. For interior design.

[C]

Yeah. They have a really good program.

[D]

Right on. I did not have Ivy League school for interior design.

[C]

Well, like, I have.

[A]

Like, neither did I.

[C]

Well, because, like, the thing.

[D]

How's your bank account feeling about that, dad?

[C]

Well, I want to save up.

[B]

Got it covered.

[D]

Dad, why is this happening?

[C]

But, like, I feel like. Cause it's a good college, and I feel like, as I.

[D]

Yes, it is a very good college.

[C]

And if I get in, like, to high school, I'll, like, really lock in and do, like, extra classes and stuff. And I want to get my high school credit next year, so I already have that, and what the heck?

[D]

You know who's a famous Cornell grad is Andy from the Office.

[C]

I have not watched the Office.

[B]

Stop it.

[D]

You always walk around in his grass.

[A]

This is exactly how I thought this episode was gonna go.

[C]

But anyways, like, I already have my high school planned out and what I want to do to put on my. Can I stop laughing?

[A]

We will.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

We'll get there.

[B]

I'm joking. And I wanna.

[D]

Everybody over 40 is laughing with us right now.

[A]

None of your friends. But if they're watching at home on YouTube, which I hope they are. Yeah. With their parents. Their parents are laughing, and the kids are really confused.

[D]

That's it.

[C]

Okay. But I have my colleges planned out and what I want to do before then, so I have a good resume because it's like, a 7.5 acceptance rate. And I know that if, like, discipline equals freedom. So I know if I lock in, I'll be able to get in. So I don't need any backup colleges.

[D]

Sweet.

[A]

Cool. Burn the ships.

[D]

Yeah. No joke. I like it.

[C]

I do not want to work in 9 to 5. I said that last year. I don't want to be stuck in a cube. So I'm going to start my own business, like, as well that stills. That still sells, like, home decor.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

You know, so I can also use that on my interior design jobs.

[D]

Well, if. If you're serious about that, I need to hook you up with our. Our family members who. Who do Uttermost. Uttermost is a furniture company, and they. They office out of the World Trade center in downtown Dallas, and that's. Their whole thing is bespoke furniture for, like, homes and. And for, like, hotel chains and stuff like that. It's. It's pretty rad. I'll have to hook you up with. With the Puman Group.

[A]

That's pretty rare. What about you, Cora?

[B]

Some things have changed from last year.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I've talked to you about it a few times. I want to be a ucl.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

If that's possible. I know it's hard. The trainings are hard.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or.

[A]

And the fact that women have never. Yeah.

[B]

Been in a ucl, but I'm passionate about it.

[C]

Like, do you want to be on the front line? Or, like, do you want to just.

[B]

Like, I want to be a sniper.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I want to be a sniper like my dad. Or if that doesn't work off, I want to do something else in the military. But if the military does not work.

[A]

Out for me, what other things would you like to do in the military?

[B]

Talk about going to Top Gun. Like how Uncle Dave did.

[D]

Oh, right. Yeah, Uncle Dave.

[B]

Wow. Wow.

[D]

That was sarcasm.

[A]

It's called sarcasm. Yeah, I know they removed it from the dictionary for the kids these days, but it's all good.

[C]

No, Half of my vocabulary is sarcastic sarcasm.

[A]

Okay. Thank you. All right. So Top Gun.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Now, let's just say you're at a point in your life where I change my mind, where you're like, you know, the military. Sounds good, but I don't think it's what I want to do right now. What is something that intrigues you that you're like, you know, I could. Man, that'd be a lot of fun to do it. And if I got paid, it would be a bonus.

[B]

Oh, cosmetology. I like getting my nails done. I like doing nails. When I go to my friend's house, I'm not allowed to, like, put on acrylics. Do it myself.

[D]

Mm.

[B]

But my friend, she has a set of doing it. So I'll do her nails if I go to her house. I like doing hair, whether it's styling it curly or doing it with, like, a hot iron. I like doing my hair. I like doing makeup. So cosmetology.

[A]

It'd be pretty rad. Own your own salon one day maybe.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Did. Did you ever work with. With the Kurdish. The Kurds up in northern Iraq?

[A]

Yes.

[D]

Would you ever work with the peshmerga up there?

[A]

Yeah, the.

[D]

The female snipers.

[A]

I did not know.

[D]

Okay. Yeah. So we've got a. We've got a buddy named Steven Mansfield who is an embedded reporter with them, and he's got some just crazy stories about the. The female snipers in. In northern Iraq. The Kurdish Special Forces Group. That's pretty. Pretty wild.

[A]

Yeah. I have pictures of them shooting pistols. They were.

[C]

I remember that.

[A]

Five.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Five or six. Yeah. They did well. Yeah, no doubt enjoyed it.

[D]

There's a lot of that skill that's genetic. No, like. Like, seriously, Right? Like eyesight, the way the. The musculature and everything that works in order to try to keep somebody stable.

[A]

Right.

[D]

Like, we had a guest on who was a world champion shooter. His twin brother was also a world championship shooter. His dad was a gold medalist in. In rifle shooting.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

There's a lot of those skills that are. That are genetic, so that makes sense. All my family's terrible at Jiu Jitsu. Also genetic.

[A]

Not true.

[D]

I'm top 10 in the world right now.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Oh, my.

[A]

What was your guys's favorite part of going to Maine?

[B]

1. The weather. Because down here in Texas in the summer.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Was this for. This is for immersion camp.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

They went up there and hung out with you guys? Yeah.

[B]

I think, like, next year or the next year after this, we might be able to start training there.

[A]

Not until you're 18.

[B]

Never mind. Not till I'm 18, guys. So five years from now.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

I like spending time with Farmiga's family.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Just hanging out, like, all together. Whether it's going swimming down at the lake. I like seeing the Roberts. The Roberts family staying at their lake house. It's so beautiful down there. I like doing the bonfire by the lake with them at their lake house.

[D]

This is Uncle Pete.

[B]

Uncle Pete. Yes. Nana Amanda. Watching the stars up there. Because down here in Texas, it's nothing compared to Maine.

[A]

I mean, we got some beautiful stars, like, out at our house and by your house, where there's not a lot of ambient light.

[D]

Right.

[A]

It's amazing.

[B]

But.

[A]

But but man, in Maine, at night, out at the lake, out on the dock, we just all sit out there.

[B]

65 degree weather, no wind.

[C]

It's perfect.

[B]

Sometimes I go nice swimming down there. I haven't done that a little bit, but I'm scared. Oh, I also like pots of. Not his motorcycle. Yeah, I want to do that again.

[A]

So it's Amanda Roberts, dad.

[D]

Nice.

[A]

Yeah, they got a ride on his Harley, which was cool.

[D]

That's pretty rad.

[A]

You guys like the one. What about the ATVs? Yeah, the ATVs. But those.

[D]

The quads? No, like the races.

[A]

Razors.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

That was fun.

[A]

Yeah, Nola got a little scared.

[D]

Side by sides. That's what they call.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Thank you.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

Was really fun.

[C]

It was so bad.

[B]

Overall, it was really fun. It was kind of scary driving through New York City. I'm just scared of New York City, guys.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Isn't that where Ratatouille was filmed?

[B]

Some of the people I saw walking the sidewalk really scared me.

[D]

Ratatouille was animated.

[C]

I know, but, like, isn't that where it was based?

[D]

It's probably where it took place, but it was. It was filmed in France, Florida and Los Angeles on computers.

[C]

Yeah, I know that part. I'm not like, that stupid. But like, wasn't it based? Hey, wasn't it based?

[A]

I agree.

[B]

From like, New York. No, it's based on me. France.

[C]

He's not Italian. The guy for the rise. Italian.

[D]

I've only seen it once.

[C]

So he, like, pulls on his hair, but yeah.

[B]

I told dad to, like, keep the windows up, like the whole time, but he didn't listen. You roll down the windows. Someone almost hit us. I'm sure multiple people almost hit us. I was sweating.

[D]

Were you driving in like.

[C]

He was trying to act like he was born there.

[B]

He rolled down the windows and he was trying. I think you're trying to scare him because you started shouting things outside the window.

[D]

Walking here or something.

[B]

Yeah. No, you probably didn't see that.

[A]

I'm driving. I didn't say, I'm walking here.

[B]

I'm driving here. Something like that. Do you see that?

[C]

It was the worst action.

[A]

Forget about it. Move out of my way.

[B]

Stop.

[A]

Hey, we got somewhere to go. Come on. My daughter's in the car. Move out of my way. And then you can just honk your horn the whole time.

[D]

Just like you're from Queens.

[C]

No, he doesn't.

[B]

The people. The people.

[D]

Steve Rogers.

[B]

I saw a group of kids about my age and I. Dad said that's where they live down there. And I was like, that's not where they live.

[A]

It was good for them to see that perspective of.

[B]

It was sad, but it was scary too.

[A]

I literally. I drove them through the hood on. On purpose.

[B]

On your. In New York City. I've been to Memphis because I used to live down there. That's bad guys. But New York City, I don't know why I was so scared because I just heard.

[A]

Because you had never experienced it before and you hear bad things on the news, like. Right. So it's all this fear that you know is on the news and we go there and I just wanted them to see. And we were showing them like, hey, like that's literally where somebody lives. Like, that's their balcony with bars on them. And they're like, wait, that's like they're outside.

[B]

That's kid my. And I saw like kids my age coming out of these. Like.

[A]

Yeah, it was. It was a experience.

[D]

Yeah. For sure.

[A]

So when we were at Maine, what did it. What did it make you guys thankful for?

[B]

Our freedom.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Our opportunity to travel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

One just Jiu Jitsu in general. Thank you. Thankful for that. Thankful that we're the. We're able to go on that trip because kids aren't allowed there.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. So because of the relationship that we have with them and what we do and work with. Yeah. How cool is it for you guys from your perspective?

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I mean, you just turned 13, so last year you're 12, and you guys have been going up there for years. You know, not every year, but you guys have been going up there for a good amount of years. Seeing the factory, getting to know like, you guys love the workers. You know, a lot of the workers, they love you guys. Seeing what Pete and Amanda have built, what is it like for a 12 year old now, 13 year old, as you think back, to see those factories, the boot factory and everything that they built, it's inspiring.

[B]

And like, it's definitely like they started in one of their old houses that they had.

[A]

Yeah, they built that. Remember they built the trees down to be.

[B]

I remember that. And we. Oh, I love going and staying in that cabin. But they. The downstairs was the beginning factory and then they turned it into like a gym or an Airbnb. Right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Correct me if I'm wrong. Okay. And now they have multiple locations. Like I think two different or three different locations in Maine of the one in North Carolina.

[C]

Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

They have factories down there and I love visiting the one that we own. Visit in the small town Farmington. It just shows, like, how much effort they put in and how they're really hard workers. And, I mean, personally, I don't think they lie about anything that they make. I'm actually wearing the origin hoodies right now.

[A]

Yep. What? When you see how hard those men and women are working to produce these clothes that are super comfortable that we wear, that we're able to enjoy, and contrary to what most people say, we order and pay for stuff from origin. People always just assume we get everything for free. And because every time we go there, we go the store. And this pisses Amanda Roberts off because I will buy stuff. And she threat, she goes, I'm now gonna fire that girl working there because you're not supposed to pay. And I'm like, well, I disguised myself. And so, man, Roberts and I always.

[D]

Put on a mustache with glasses.

[A]

Yeah, this back and forth. Dang. I also a ghost account set up for origin that she still hasn't found. So order stuff under it. But what. What is it like for you guys when you see those men and women? Just, they're working hard, but they also love what they do.

[B]

Everyone there's happy. It's like a family there, so. And it shows one. It shows how much they love the job, and it shows how much Pete and Amanda Roberts love their workers and how they're just. They're really hard workers. They love what they do, and they love making these clothes for other people.

[A]

Yeah. So what's the lesson from that? When you guys think about what Pete and Amanda have done, and obviously Dideco's been a part of it, and Jocko Parton, but, you know, John, Milan, Dennis, Pete and Amanda, like, you know, Dennis came on a few years ago, but he is. He is instrumental in everything that they do.

[D]

Yeah, he just did the video about the. The new belts. Yeah.

[A]

I mean, he's unreal. So when you think that core group and obviously some of the other ladies that we know over the years that worked there, when you think about them as leaders, what is it? What has it taught you or what do you take from that?

[C]

I feel like, because, like, they literally. Because they make everything from, like, it's all from, like, America, and it's just like they took the, like, looms. Yeah, the looms are.

[A]

Brought them back to life and got new ones. Sorry, I didn't ask that correctly. When you think about what Pete and Amanda and John, Dennis and all the other leaders, like Jill, what they do as leaders, and when you see how they treat Their people and interact with their people. What does it make you think about and. Or what are some lessons that you guys have learned from over the years? Getting to see how they, how they operate. Yeah, you guys have gone up there and sat in when I've done workshops with their people.

[C]

Yeah, well, I was just. Because whenever I see like everybody working and packaging orders and like down in the bunker where the geese are made and how they process everything, it's just like, it's so cool. But also like, it teaches me to know that like, stuff doesn't come for free. You don't get everything for you. Like, obviously, like money doesn't grow on trees. It's just like the same thing. Like, it's not gonna come for free. It's not like, like everything arrived on their doorstep ready to go. It's not like they knew how to run a business whenever they first started. Because like, obviously, yeah, it's not going to be what it is today without.

[B]

Hard work and dedication for me, shows just like how hard working they are and how they really do treat their workers really good. And they involve them and they involve everyone in everything.

[A]

The 10 year anniversary was fun. Remember that?

[B]

That was fun.

[A]

That was a lot of fun. All right, so immersion camp was cool. And then, you know what's been your favorite memory of the summer?

[C]

Oh, that's hard.

[B]

I'm trying to think.

[C]

Summer camp because like, okay, summer camp's really fun. I wish, okay, I wish Bots was longer and I wish summer camp was longer because Bots is only like a day and a half and summer camps only three days. Yeah, but like, I wish it was longer. It was so good. And like the worship's really good. The mosh pit, it's like so fun.

[A]

Wait, it's a worship mosh pit?

[B]

Yeah, we do a mosh pit. And during worship, well, we used to do crowd surfing until this one guy, I think he like broke his arm.

[C]

And then he landed on top of one of poor buddies. He was a small.

[B]

I feel bad. He was small. He broke his arm, got crushed by a bigger dude.

[D]

I have a terrible crowd serving story.

[B]

I want to hear it.

[D]

So. But one of the very first times that we played at like a big club, I was like 17 years old playing bass. And one of the things that I would do is I would put my bass down during one of these songs and the drummer and our two guitar players would do this really cool solo and I would run and jump into the crowd and I would crowd surface and then they would like Carry me back and then put me to the front of the stage. Well, there were like three or four hundred people at this club, is the most people we'd ever played for. And I was super excited. So I had this group of dudes that was like, supposed to catch me. They moved up closer to the stage than I thought that they were gonna be. And so, like, I run and I'm fired up, so I run and jump. And as I'm looking and I'm turning, I see the people that are supposed to catch me and I'm like, oh, no. And then when I turn over, I hear this girl scream and go a body. And then they all moved out of the way and my head hit this concrete club floor so hard I was severely concussed. But I had them. I had them take me and they like crowdserve me back to the front of the stage. And so I finished the set. Like, we played for another half hour. And as soon as I was done, there was like a medical team back there that was like, you sit down and had. I had to do concussion tests and I wasn't allowed to sleep for 24 hours. And it was a crazy thing. Crowd surfing is dangerous.

[B]

It is dangerous.

[D]

I remember cautionary tales, man.

[B]

I remember another time where we did fall retreat, which sadly, we stopped doing that. But anyways, we were doing fall retreat and we were in the main worship center. It's really big. And so we had high schoolers and middle schoolers. So you have really tall big ones and then you have small boys. So I remember this. They. When the middle schools were separated, these, these one group of boys, like five or four, they were always trying to start up the mosh pit or crowd surfing, mostly crowd surfing. And they were trying to pick one of their friends up. But everyone was annoyed at this point. I think everyone could just tell, like, they were doing it too much. So then people moved out the way and he, like landed like he was going straight onto the ground like this. His head hit the ground and he just flipped. And then he could. He was like, dizzy or whatever. And his leader came and dragged him out. But wait, like, dragged him by the feet? No, like, him up and dragged him out of there. But it was hilarious because everyone moved out the way. They threw him and then he just landed straight on his head.

[D]

First hand experience. That's not fun. 10 out of 10. Do not recommend.

[A]

Do not recommend. All right. Going back to jiu jitsu. What has been like a move and, or, you know, a style that you're Trying to add to your jiu jitsu game. So when I enjoyed learning, when I.

[B]

Was doing privates for my competition with Vittoria, she was teaching me, you know, how to. From guard, how to get onto their back. So.

[D]

Oh.

[B]

Basically you do full guard into half guard to where you get onto their back, and then you just do different positions from there and then some other things. But I just been mainly focusing on how to do submissions and all that stuff better because I just mainly, like, toss around my partners and choke them out.

[C]

I want to do the move that you do, like the JP gift wrap special or whatever. Oh, my gosh. You can demonstrate it on Lucas.

[D]

That's fine. Won't be the first time I've been choked this week.

[C]

And I want to do the thing. I see Josh do it on you back and forth. It's like y' all are fighting over a toy. It's like where you take the collar and you, like, choke them out with their own collar. I tried to do that with my.

[D]

Opponents, but it's like you're fighting over a toy.

[C]

Yeah, it's like they do it back.

[A]

And forth while we're standing.

[B]

I like. I like north south choke. Is that what you call?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I like bow and arrow. I like paintbrush is what I call it. Or backpack joke. My favorite.

[C]

The thing that I'm talking about is where you take the collar and then you, like, bring it over and you, like, literally choke them out with it.

[A]

You just like, okay, yeah, that's the cross collar choke.

[C]

No, it's where you take.

[B]

Maybe where you go, like from here and you're laying.

[C]

Don't do it.

[A]

Yeah, bow and arrow.

[B]

Yeah, bow and arrow.

[C]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[A]

Fighting over a toy. Didn't put that one together.

[D]

That's like the way Theo Vaughn would.

[B]

Describe, because y' all are literally like.

[D]

It's like two guys. Two guys trying to find a raspberry in here.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Okay.

[B]

All right.

[A]

What are you guys looking forward to this year? Like, what are your goals?

[C]

Oh, mom was gonna take. Well, Ms. Jen.

[A]

Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead.

[C]

Sorry. Yeah, no, Ms. Janet and my mom, we were talk. They were talking about taking us to an Elevation worship concert with Kinsley, me and Cora, like, just like, a girls night. And so we were thinking if we do do that, it's like. I think it's May or something. I don't know. So if we do that, I'm, like, really excited for that.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

Well, what I'm looking forward to, I'm Looking forward to that. Y' all are going to a rodeo with Janet and Kevin or something like that? I'm gonna. I'm looking forward to hanging out with Kinsley and Ella. Other things. I'm just excited to hang out with my friends and stuff. But my goals, I want to get stronger. I want to work out more. I asked you the other day to put me together workout plan. So I know you're working on that. To get better at Jiu Jitsu, Obviously. Every year, that's my goal, is to get better in some way to work better on not slacking around the house, helping mom with things. Other things. I want to get better at saving as well. Yeah. Saving money.

[A]

Grow closer to God and help my.

[B]

Friends grow closer to God.

[C]

Ditto.

[A]

What are some things that you guys are going to do to obtain those goals? Let's start off with the getting healthier and stronger one.

[B]

Not eating as much junk.

[C]

We live right next to a really good ice cream place, and it's, like, so bad, but okay.

[B]

So, yeah. Not eating as much junk. Junk. Let's see. Waking up early, going to bed early, getting the right amount of sleep, drinking enough water. I actually started drinking my greens yesterday. The jocko greens.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I want to start tasty. Yeah.

[D]

Do you do the pineapple coconut?

[B]

Pineapple. Coconut is my favorite. And so start drinking my greens, drinking more water, eating, like, more steak and chicken, obviously, putting these, like, the carbs, the rice. Can't live without my. Live without my tortillas.

[C]

I thought you were going to say Taco Bell. I can't live without my Taco Bell.

[B]

Adding in, you know, adding the fruits and vegetables.

[A]

We got to earn that Taco Bell, right?

[D]

Yep.

[B]

Balance.

[A]

Some of the stuff that you guys have learned from your mom and I. Talking about what we do with first in nutrition, just making protein a priority. Find a little bit of balance, Making it fun, creating good habits. Okay.

[B]

Healthy food relationship.

[A]

Healthy food relationship is very important.

[B]

Another thing.

[A]

And the scale doesn't matter. It's how you feel and how. Yeah, okay.

[B]

And how comfortable you are in your own body.

[A]

Yep. And just knowing the difference between what the scale says and actually being healthy, because what weighs more? Muscle. Muscle, remember? So you can weigh more than your friends, but you can be stronger and healthier and be in a better position. So understanding to have that healthy relationship with food and not. Not being worried about. Oh, my gosh. This is what the scale says. It doesn't matter.

[B]

See, like, some of my friends, like, I dealt with that for a little bit. You Know, but some of my friends don't deal with that now. And I'm like. And they're really strong. One of my friends, I was on my birthday, she's really tall. She does basketball, and she's really strong. And she is insecure about the scale. And I'm like, you are literally, you. You're stronger than a lot of the guys at your school also. Because you're taller.

[A]

Yeah. She doesn't realize her parents are very tall, very athletic.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And she plays basketball and is a stud athlete.

[C]

Yeah, she's really good.

[A]

It's also, like, the fact that. That the scale is even a thing in her mind drives me crazy. And it's not because of her parents. It's because of other kids that don't understand these things.

[B]

And it's also, like, I remember, like, I just. I was like, you know what? I don't need to get on skill because, like, why does it even matter if I'm. If I'm. If I wake up and I feel strong and if I am healthy, then I don't need to look at it.

[A]

And when we compete, it's just going to be at whatever weight you're at. There's no weight cuts.

[D]

That's 100% what I did. Like, really, I looked at. I looked at where I was, and I was like, I can. I can try and make it a priority, like, over the next 12 days to try to lose £4, and then it can just be a complete detriment to me being able to do my job. Or I can say, you know what? This is where I'm at, and this is where I'm. I'm going to compete, and I'm just going to be fit and healthy. I'd go for that and not worry about, like, trying to make this weight cut, which has the potential to actually take away from some of the stuff that I need to do that needs priority in my life.

[A]

So.

[D]

Yeah, I think it's smart.

[A]

Yeah, it's cool. What. What habits are you guys gonna create to grow closer to the Lord?

[B]

Start reading my Bible in the morning, and I'm gonna try in the afternoon.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

I know doing it in the morning can definitely, you know, give you a boost to start off your day and to help you have a better day and a better attitude. But doing at night, it can calm your worries or just overall your day.

[C]

Yeah, no, probably.

[B]

Oh, and sorry, one more thing to, like, stop. I want to cut out some secular music.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And just put that. More worship music.

[A]

That's good.

[C]

I feel like, yeah, it's kind of the same for me. It's just like I need to like I read my Bible but not like every day. Cuz I'm like, I mean like it shouldn't be an excuse, but like we get like busy and then sometimes I forget. But I do read my Bible at night because like I said, I stay up too late. And so I just like read my Bible at night and then like I wake up and then I try to read it. But like on the Bible app I like it's easier for me to do that in the morning because it's on my phone and it's like so bad. But like I get on my phone and. And I have it pinned so I can just like cool, open it up immediately.

[B]

Oh, another thing, Sorry. Hanging around. Around the right group of people. I mean, I have some friends who could do better and then I have other ones who have helped and they are doing a lot better.

[A]

Yeah, and you have friends that have helped you guys.

[B]

Exactly. But then there's some people where you need to take a step back from. Because they could one, be influencing you. Two, just affecting your relationship with the Lord in ways you don't realize. And sometimes you just need to take a break from them or step back.

[A]

And that's good and healthy to be able to recognize that.

[B]

But first, before you do that, try and help them, you know. But if they're, if they're like not changing, then it's time for you to make a change and step back for your own good.

[A]

Change your friends or change your friends.

[B]

Exactly. Change your friends. Change your friend.

[A]

Have you guys enjoyed babysitting?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

What. What do you guys enjoy about babysitting? Let's let our listeners know. Also, what, what type of training you guys go through?

[C]

CPR and first aid.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

You guys an S corp?

[B]

What's that?

[A]

Not yet.

[D]

Yeah, I was gonna say no joke.

[A]

Crazy. So they went through the CPR and first aid training.

[C]

The Red Cross.

[A]

Yep. And then they also created their resumes that they give out to people.

[D]

I would like one.

[A]

And when somebody hires them to babysit, they have a form that they have to fill out.

[B]

I need to know. Allergies, favorite hobbies, movies, Emergency numbers. Besides emergency numbers. Emergency places to hide in the house. Double emergency places. Evacuation systems. Where. Where's a place like if we're upstairs. Where. Somewhere we can safely get the kids out first and then us. Where? Somewhere we can safely hide, whether it's underneath the bed, in a closet, in the downstairs stair closet.

[C]

Yeah. And, like, their favorite foods and stuff like that. Like, if they're allowed to watch tv, like, all that stuff, or just to.

[B]

Get to know them more, you know?

[A]

Yeah. You have an actual form that you fill out before.

[D]

That's pretty cool.

[B]

And then I think the kids. What the parents prefer. How late do they want to stay up?

[A]

Bedtime routines.

[B]

Is a sweet sheet required after dinner, or is it not?

[C]

Yeah. And then also I'm, like, learning ASL because, like, I am, like, a bit deaf, but then also for kids who. But then also you.

[A]

You. You are partially deaf and you have a hearing aid. And so learning LS is asl.

[C]

You said, oh, Als.

[D]

You don't want to.

[A]

You don't want to learn that.

[D]

I was like, no, no ice buckets around here.

[C]

So.

[D]

But Kirsten knows asl.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. That was a big thing for her because she grew up with some folks who were hearing impaired and that. That is actually the most unreached people group in the United States with the gospel is the deaf and hard of hearing. Also. Did you know that they hate. They hate Alexander Graham Bell.

[C]

Why?

[D]

The guy that invented the telephone. Yeah. No, no joke.

[A]

No.

[D]

True story. So he. He just. Wait. Okay, so his parents were. Were deaf and hard of hearing. Alexander Graham Bells were. And so what he did was after he invented the telephone, he got to go on, like, all these speaking things because he created this incredible piece of technology. And he essentially said that if you let people live in deaf communities and they only commune, communicate with sign language, that they're isolating themselves and we have to teach them how to read lips. And so it changed the way that the deaf communities operated back then. And so we had, like, these giant pockets of deaf communities that were all deaf people, and everybody knew sign language, and a lot of them were, like, out in California. And because of this stuff that Alexander Graham Bell said, because he felt like his parents were at a disadvantage because they didn't know how to read lips, that it, like, destroyed those deaf communities. It is their vitriol for the guy that invented the telephone is crazy.

[C]

Wow.

[D]

Something she learned in her ASL classes. She had to learn, like, the history of asl.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[D]

Yeah, There you go.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

So every time you use your telephone, just think about that.

[C]

Yeah, I need to get better because, like, I know, like, basic asl, the Alphabet. Alphabet, and, like, some other signs, but I need to get better because with, like, what I have, it's like Eva, like enlarged vestibular aqueduct. So whenever you're born, you're supposed to have it in two years, but I only have it in one, which is actually really good because at least I only have one ear. Like hard of hearing.

[A]

Yeah. What'd you call yourself?

[C]

2020 hearing. Right. No, wait, no wait.

[A]

You said you're deaf? Partial.

[C]

Yeah. No, I thought I said, I thought I said wait. That's what I said, right? Yeah. Okay. And so like my doctor, she said that like at any time with my like thing that I have, I could like lose all of my hearing in that. All of a sudden, like. Yeah, it like one time that actually happened to me not too long ago and it was like for 30 minutes I couldn't hear and it was like I. I started like screaming and mom came in, he was like, what's wrong? I was like, I literally can't hear out of my ear. And it's like. Cuz then I only have like just out of one.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. And it's like crazy because all of a sudden I can lose hearing.

[D]

Well, so when you babysit for our kids, when we fill out the form and get on your schedule so that I can take my wife out for a nice dinner at McDonald's. But it's, you know, just romance beneath the golden arches kind of a thing. If you'll work with Levi, because we're teaching him the ASL Alphabet.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I saw this video and it's like this girl, she was singing to a no con song is like, you need Jesus. I think the sign for Jesus is like, you don't need Jesus. Don't get me wrong. But yeah, I. Oh yeah.

[B]

Other things I love about baby babysitting.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

1. I like taking care of kids. I've always had a big heart for little kids. I want.

[C]

She loves changing diapers. Yeah, she loves so much.

[D]

It's not the best.

[B]

I know like some teenagers, they find little kids annoying, which I was annoying as a little kid, but also. Really? I can imagine. No, I'm joking.

[D]

You don't want to. When you come over and babysit for us, you'll. You'll know exactly what it was like.

[A]

He's about to learn.

[D]

Yeah, that's it.

[B]

But like most teenagers, they don't. They think like little kids are just really annoying or they just don't want to be around them. But for me, I want them to have a good childhood. I want them to have someone to look up to, whether it's their babysitter or their older cousin or their family friend. So I definitely like taking care of the little kids. And for Them having someone to look up to.

[D]

Yeah, we're really working with Levi on his ankle pick and his spike double, and so he'll call for him. Oh, yeah. So if y' all are willing to help him. Help him with those. Yeah, he really. He prefers to have the ankle pick done on him because he thinks it's fun, but he wants to do the spike double on you.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

So.

[A]

Yeah, it's funny you said that, because. Who are you guys babysitting? Like, the very savvy. Yeah, Savvy. We come home, it was the first time they ever, like, met the kids loves us.

[B]

And I love her.

[A]

Babysat.

[B]

She's an amazing child. And her brother.

[A]

Yeah, they're good kids, good family. And they were teaching her jiu Jitsu and, like, trips and sweeps, and I.

[D]

Was like, oh, yeah, okay, perfect.

[A]

Maybe we don't do that in the living room by the table.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But anyway, she loved it. Her parents were like, this is awesome. And so they've watched her a few times, and then they just watched Mike Mitchell's daughter, Barlow. Yeah, it was. It was cool because they actually didn't think the girls would be able to get her down to go to bed on her own.

[B]

I got her down.

[A]

They're able to get them down. They do a phenomenal job of getting kids down to bed. You know, they'll sing with them, they'll play with them, they'll talk with them. You know, it's. It's pretty rad. Pray with them as well. Obviously.

[C]

The only. The only people I cannot babysit, like, the houses I'm not allowed to go to, are people with chickens, because I probably.

[B]

She will take the chickens because she'll steal the chickens, and then we will never be ever to ask.

[D]

We're back on that. We're getting chickens again, so.

[C]

Oh, my gosh.

[D]

It's just, like, maybe our home is gonna be. Cora.

[C]

I'll probably be babysitting the chickens, not the kid. Like, this is also a joke. I will watch your kid, but, like, it might be harder for me.

[D]

So when we go out of town, like, when I go out of town for camp, then I. I could have you come take care of my chickens.

[B]

And I can watch Levi.

[C]

They have two kids.

[D]

He's probably gonna come.

[A]

Roosters. I don't think they're gonna leave Levi alone.

[C]

Yeah. How about your chickens?

[A]

Cool.

[C]

My mom thinks it's so weird. I will. Like, some of our friends are like, oh, don't pick up that rooster. It's really mean. And I, like, I'M able to put roosters to sleep. I'll hold them and they'll fall asleep in my hands.

[A]

She's the whisperer.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

I want a gorilla.

[C]

Okay, only because dad hates them. Let's talk about it.

[D]

Dad, you want a stuffed gorilla?

[B]

I want a baby gorilla.

[C]

Hey, dad.

[B]

So it can run around his room to wake him up in the morning. It's gonna jump on him.

[D]

So what's your plan when that becomes a bigger gorilla?

[C]

It'll stay in the room because it's big enough.

[B]

It can sleep mix in his.

[C]

In his closet.

[B]

Because, like, mom can go sleep in Aiden's room or in the movie room.

[D]

Some scenario about whether or not you wanted to be in a. In a mall with, like, a bunch of black mambas or, like, a gorilla. It was something like that, yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay, dad, so if you were at a zoo and there was a gorilla.

[B]

Running at you or us, we wouldn't get out there, like.

[C]

So you have one choice. You can either move us out of the way, or you run or the gorilla chases you.

[A]

I'm gonna run with you guys.

[C]

No, but you only have one choice.

[A]

What if it's my choice?

[B]

What if I want to go touch the grill and you're like, core.

[A]

No, no. Absolutely not. You're not getting near a gorilla.

[C]

Okay, what if you got paid, like, $5 million to be in a room with a gorilla? And the gorilla knows how to shoot guns?

[D]

That's a useless skill for a gorilla.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

If a gorilla shot someone, you can search it up.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm not even joking. Guys, stop.

[C]

Yeah, she believes everything she sees on the Internet.

[B]

No, I don't.

[C]

Yes, she does.

[D]

Is this a Babylon Bee?

[B]

I'm not even joking.

[A]

All right, we'll look it up later. Yeah. No, I'm not spending any time with a gorilla. They're so sweet because they will kill you and rip you apart for fun.

[D]

Yeah. Oh, you get $5 million, but now you're in half, so what's it matter?

[A]

I mean, yeah, you paid the medical bill. Well, no.

[D]

No, probably not.

[A]

No, it's death. I mean, I guess if that got my family funeral bill dollars.

[B]

No, I don't.

[D]

I think they would rather have you.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Than the 5 million.

[A]

Questionable at times.

[D]

I would rather have you than the 5 million bucks.

[C]

I can take the money and I can clone you.

[B]

That's terrible. Don't even say that.

[D]

You understand how expensive cloning is.

[C]

I know.

[B]

That's over $5 million.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

No, I would rather have my dad over $5 million any day.

[A]

Cool.

[D]

Yeah. All right, Agreed.

[A]

Any final questions for them, Lucas?

[D]

Yeah, I got two. Oh, boy.

[C]

Wait. What if you painted yourself blue and you laid at the bottom of the pool and you grabbed little kids ankles?

[B]

Okay, Lucas, what were we gonna say?

[D]

Okay, so question question number one this year. What's your favorite thing that you've learned in the. In the Bible from this past year?

[B]

I'm trying to think. I did learn, like how I was talking earlier, how you have to take a break from or step back from people. It was a certain. I was reading one of the books in the Bible and it was sort of that day where you just. You're like, God, what do you want me to read? You open your Bible, flip to a certain page, and you're reading it.

[A]

Yeah, done that before.

[B]

Done that. All of y' all have done that. Come on.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Not the suggested method, but it's. It's out there.

[B]

Sometimes it works.

[A]

Can crazy how it does. It has worked before. You're like, oh, oh. And then you think it works all.

[D]

The time and it doesn't.

[B]

No, but. And it was like, it was something along the lines of like, if they're not. If they're. If they say that they read the Bible, but they're not like, putting the word into their life.

[D]

Be doers of the Word and not just hearers only.

[B]

That's what it was. And it was another verse where it was like, you have to. You have to. Or just where I felt connected, where you have to take a step away from people and you have to cut them out of your life so you can grow with the Lord and so you're protecting your faith over them.

[D]

That's good.

[B]

Another thing. What was. Was we say the verse again.

[D]

Be doers of the Word and not just hearers.

[B]

Oh, yeah. It's like they're. They believe in Christ, but they're not adding it to his life. Adding it to their life. Like, that's the same for the devil. He believes in Jesus, but he doesn't follow the Word.

[D]

Also from the book of James.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

You say you believe in God, Great. So do the demons, and they flee in fear.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What about you?

[C]

No, it's like, okay, so obviously I've learned things, but like, I've learned of a lot of things, but definitely, like one of like the main messages. I think I learned it at bots. Like, I have super bad memory, so I. Yeah. Was it bots?

[A]

Doesn't matter.

[C]

Okay. It was somewhere, but at church. It was like, about like purity and like, staying, like, protected with God and, like, protect your heart and everything.

[B]

Cool.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Very, very important thing in life, especially now in this age that you guys are in, with the influences from friends and unfortunately, like, the things that you're exposed to just. Just in life, man, it's crazy. Like, you think about, like, what kids are exposed to, and it could be.

[B]

Music, it could be influencers, it could be. Could be other adults in their life.

[A]

Yeah. It's crazy.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So just understanding why it's important to protect your heart and protect, you know, just your innocence.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And your purity.

[D]

Yep. So the second thing is, you know, we've. We've talked about some stuff with people who have some body image issues, and then we've talked about jiu jitsu. When y' all were at the muster here in Dallas, you actually got to hang out with somebody who's got some experience in both of those things and has talked a little bit about it. Talk to me about what it was like getting to hang out with with Rana Willock.

[C]

Super fun.

[B]

I love all their kids. I love all the willings and. But Rana, she's. She's definitely someone you can look up to, especially, like, as a sister, you know, whatever.

[D]

Right.

[B]

But you know what I learned from their. One of their podcast episodes where she was with her father, but also what she was talking to us girls about. She talked to us separately, just sitting down, eating lunch with us, and she was like, one, y' all are not fully developed yet, mentally or physically. Okay. And you're still growing, and your body's going to change, and whether it's you're going to gain weight or you're going to lose it or you're going to gain muscle or you're going to lose muscle puzzle, you know, or another thing is, like, you people, everyone's insecure about something. Everyone's insecure about something, and everyone's comparing each other. They're all. What I've learned is from all my friends and other people and what builds hate is comparing and jealousy. Because you could be comparing yourself to someone, but you don't know what their life is like. You don't know how their parents, marriages or how their siblings are or what they've gone through to look how they have or how they do look now.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then the same person who's. Who they're comparing themselves to is comparing themselves to other people, and they're dealing with the same struggle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And also, like, comparing yourself with body images with body image issues is like, it's Just gonna make you jealous and angry.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You're not gonna do anything for you.

[B]

One, you're gonna be angry towards someone who probably didn't do anything towards you because you want what they have. But, I mean, you could want what they have, but you really need to know them and know what you have to put your. Your feet in their shoes to see if you really want their life.

[C]

Because even though if it seems like they have everything, like they have all the friends, blah, blah, blah, they're perfect or whatever. Yeah. But that's what people think. And I'm like, but you don't know if they don't even like how they look or they don't even like how they are like their life. Because somebody can be one person in front of people, and then at their home life, they could be somebody so different that they don't even want to be themselves. And you're like, you're mad and you're jealous of somebody of something that they probably don't even. That they possibly wouldn't even want.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's like some of the people that you compare yourself to, they would look at you and they'd be like, you. Literally, you're. In my eyes, you're perfect. You don't need to compare yourself to me because in my eyes I'm not. Or I want what you have. Or let's say, I don't know, Tommy has more money than Billy, but Tommy's dealing with what is like depression or body image issues. So you're like, you just don't know. It could be either way. And another thing.

[D]

Comparison is the thief of joy.

[B]

Another thing. Yeah. Is also, you're fearfully and wonderfully made. I think it was Philippians139.

[D]

It would be Psalms.

[B]

Oh, Psalms. I'm sorry.

[D]

Philippians only have four chapters.

[B]

Yeah, I'm flipping back between this, so. Psalms 139, verse 14. You're fearfully and wonderfully made. And the Bible says you're worth more than rubies, so there's no.

[D]

Which are pretty expensive last time I checked.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yep. Yeah, I think that's.

[D]

Thank you, ladies.

[A]

Good shift to close it off the night. Appreciate it. Unless there's any final things you guys want to talk about. But I'm going to close it out and with some housekeeping.

[D]

No, I'm just not.

[C]

Guys, just to make my dad mad, you'll have to post photos of my dad with purple forever, because he will not.

[A]

Purple forever.

[C]

Yeah, purple forever. Purple belt forever.

[B]

Like, he's like except his brown belt.

[D]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Yeah. Purple forever.

[A]

Yeah. Purple belt forever.

[C]

Yeah, no, just purple forever. It makes it more dramatic.

[D]

So how big a privilege is it for y' all to be sitting at the same table as a purple belt with one of the top 10 white belts in the world?

[B]

I'm so honored you guys wish that you guys were close with him.

[D]

Y' all are welcome.

[B]

Y' all don't know him like that.

[D]

For two more weeks.

[A]

Where did that purple belt forever come from?

[C]

Remember?

[A]

Okay, so I was trying to dig.

[D]

Him out of that hole.

[C]

Remember whenever I was putting sticky notes on your desk? Like, I was asking. I was like, when I was asking you if you could get me a pair of shoes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then I was like, also, you need to get back into Jiu Jitsu. Hashtag purple forever. Hashtag.

[A]

You said hashtag purple belt forever.

[C]

Oh, I thought I said purple forever.

[A]

Purple mouth.

[C]

Okay, yeah, maybe it is purple.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, I mean, I prioritize working and traveling.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

He has, like, he was supposed to compete. He was.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Training enough to where you could compete.

[A]

But no one was in the bracket. But I will be doing it April. April 5th. Yeah.

[D]

When someone will take my spot because they will have one point, they'll score one point in a match, and then they're gonna just usurp me.

[B]

Wait, did you. Oh, wait, did you win or did you lose?

[D]

Next time on the jp.

[C]

No, seriously.

[B]

Okay, I'm gonna take that as no. I know.

[D]

I was. Yeah, I was. Owen, too.

[B]

Yeah, I'm sure you still do really good, though.

[A]

He did. He didn't. He got beat by a guy. Jiu jitsu, that's part of the game. I mean, the guy was better at Jiu Jitsu.

[D]

Both of them.

[A]

He trained. Both of them. Had trained more longer than you had. I mean, it's just part of the game.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, at least you didn't lose your match. Like I did at the Waco Open when I was winning, made a stupid mistake, and then lost. That one sucked.

[D]

I, I.

[A]

You went out there and competed.

[D]

Well, yeah, I lost because I'm incompetent, not because I should have been more competent. So I'll take that as a win. Hashtag top10.

[A]

And I'm not avoiding my brown belt. I don't deserve my brown belt. Nor is it close, young lady.

[B]

Me?

[A]

Yeah. You said I was avoiding my brown belt.

[B]

No, I never said that.

[A]

We can roll the tapes back.

[B]

Can we roll the tapes back forever?

[C]

Like, he's, like, will not accept his brown oh, wow. Yeah, Purple forever. But, yeah, make sure to get, like, photos of my dad and be like, hashtag purple forever, Purple belfry, Purple belfry. Hashtag never going brown.

[A]

All right, on that note, what's our rickles out thoughts? 1036 for a time hack. All right, so before I close it out with some final thoughts.

[D]

It'S my favorite episode every year.

[A]

I just. I just want to thank you guys for all the support each of you guys have given us for listening, sharing, subscribing, and commenting. Those of you that subscribe to us on YouTube and watch on YouTube and comment, we really appreciate what you guys do if you're not subscribed on YouTube. Pretty easy to do. Go to YouTube and hit that little subscribe button. Ding, ding. If you want to follow us on social media, I am at JP Janelle, that's J P D I N N E L L. And Lucas is at Lucas Pinker. That's L U C A S P I N C K A R D. Also make sure you're following Echelon Front on social media. We are at Echelon Front. You can also go to our website to see what we do, check out future events, grab some merch, go to echelonfront.com also check out extreme Ownership Academy if you'd like to see the online courses that we have.

[D]

Yeah, new online courses being launched and revamped stuff.

[A]

Yeah, some revamp stuff coming out also. Yeah, I love it. And then also, if you want to work with any of us at Echelon Front, or if you have any questions of what we do and how we do it, how we can help you, let us know, bro.

[D]

This last session with Leif and Cordell on the online Academy about why you didn't get promoted. So good. So good. Cordell. I. I know we've talked about that. We're. We're working on getting him on. He fascinates me. Like, just his whole career and trajectory and everything. I can't wait to talk to that dude.

[A]

Yeah, it's gonna be good. Also, check out Jesus and Jiu Jitsu. It's a ministry that I'm a part of with Isaac, Josh, Stephen, Lucas. We have a podcast that comes out every episode. I'm sorry. It has a episode that comes out every Tuesday. We're also doing live events. When this comes out next Saturday, Saturday, February 15th, we have a seminar at. It's a free Jesus and Jiu Jitsu seminar starting at 10:30 in the morning at double five in Highlands Village. Victoria is going to be teaching the seminar. Titus is going to be giving his testimony, and then we'll open it up for some open training. So it's going to be awesome. Go to our website is Jesus and Jiu Jitsu USA.com to grab some of that merch. When you guys go and grab the merch, it. It's awesome what it does to help the ministry.

[D]

Yeah. And you can sign up. We've got a weekly email with a weekly devotion that's coming out and newsletters and all that kind of stuff is pretty rare.

[A]

While you can, check out Little Cattle Co. Get that beef. Yeah, dog. And I say while you can, because we're making some shifts to the business, pausing the sale of beef. So whatever we have on the website, Little Cattle Co is what we got. We will still continue to do the beef sticks and the body butter tallow, all the beef tallow products, which is absolutely incredible.

[D]

Scrub with the coffee in it.

[A]

That one's legit. If you want to be a wholesaler for the beef sticks or the tallow products, send an email to Amanda at littlecattle Co, also a partner with Josh Strausberger and a printing company called on the Path Printing. Our Instagram page is at on the Path Printing. Just send us a message there. We have a website that we're having built out. You know, we've been producing software, Jesus and Jiu Jitsu. We have a few things that we're going to launch for this podcast, and we have a few different gifts, gyms and companies that want us to, you know, start printing their stuff. So it's cool being fully up and running and having that business. It's, you know, with Little Cal Bruiser arms that I'm going to talk about. And on the Path, you know, these are things that I partnered with, invested into and help on the side. Yeah, on the side. And I know I talk about them a lot because I. They're my companies. I care about them. They're my people, my friends. I care about them. It's good products. I care about it. But. But Echelon Fry is my primary. My primary thing there. And, you know, the reason why I'm saying that is, you know, there's been some confusion that I have caused by, I guess, not articulating and communicating that properly. Yeah. You know, just, you know, people think, you know, I have, you know, those as my main focus. And I'm like, no, no, absolutely. Echelon Front is always number one. Will be number one.

[D]

That's why it's first on this List of stuff.

[A]

Yeah, well, you got that. But anyways, I'm very thankful to have these other things that I'm a part of, but I'm only able to do that because of Echelon Front. Yeah. And. And that freedom. So also, if you want to check out Bruiser Arms, we just talked about it, check out our Instagram page at Bruiser Arms. It's a company life. Jocko and I have gear shooting courses, different experiences that we can put together. So if you have any questions about that, send us a message. Also, check out Origin. Jocko Fuel. We talked about Pete and Amanda and everything they've done with Origin. Didn't really talk about Jockey Fuel, but we love them. We are users of the products. Yep.

[B]

A lot.

[D]

Heavy users.

[A]

Yeah. Discipline goes. Hydrates are consumed at our house. The greens, the milk. You know, I take all the supplements as well. So if you want to check out big those supplements, Joint warfare is good.

[C]

Go to jockey.com about the energy drinks. Like my friends will beg me to bring them to church at 5:00pm yeah.

[A]

Because you know, they're safer kids to drink less caffeine. Yeah, it's awesome. The origin stuff that we talked about, all the clothes, the geese, the jiu jitsu gear, the American made gear, the jeans, the pants, the hoodies, all their stuff. Go to originusa.com to check out that 100 made here in America as my daughters are talking about. And you're supporting Americans that are working hard, that care, that are trying to make a difference for their families and also provide you some incredible just gear. So, Cora, final closing thought and then.

[B]

Noah, thank you all for letting us come back.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

See y' all next year. Hopefully. Hopefully.

[D]

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see how this does. If you're. If your ratings on this aren't very good, then yeah, we'll see if you're.

[B]

Still on hashtag top10.

[D]

That's going to be gone.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Pretty quick.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right.

[C]

I don't know. Stay real, I guess.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right, cool.

[C]

Also, hopefully by next year I'll figure out where Ratatouille was based off of.

[D]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

We'll figure out. We got some time.

[D]

Razatouille.

[C]

Let's not start this again, please. No, no. You make my eye twitch.

[D]

You heard it here first, Rizatouille. Super busting.

[A]

All right, well, on that note, before we have more notes to edit out, I hope this episode has been a reminder to go out and do the work that is needed to put in the effort to build your legacy and to never settle. This has been the JP Donnell podcast, episode 72.

[C]

Bye, guys.

[B]

Bye.