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Good morning. This is the JP Donnell podcast, episode 115. I am JP Donnell, and as always, I have Lucas with me. My child, never forget the things I have taught you. Store my commands in your heart. If you do this, you will live many years and your life will be satisfying. Never let loyalty and kindness leave you. Tie them around your neck as a reminder. Write them deep within your heart. Then you will find favor with both God and people and you will earn a good reputation. Trust in the Lord with all your heart. Do not depend on your own understanding. Seek his will in all that you do, and he will show you which path to take. Do not be impressed with your own wisdom. Instead, fear the Lord and turn away from evil. Then you will have healing for your body and strength for your bones. Honor the Lord with your wealth and the best part of everything you produce. Then he will fill your barns with grain and your vats will overflow with good wine. My child, do not reject the Lord's discipline and do not be upset when he corrects you. For the Lord corrects those he loves, just as a father corrects a child in whom he delights. Joyful is the person who finds wisdom and the one who gains understanding. For wisdom is more profitable than silver and her wages are better than gold. Wisdom is more precious than rubies. Nothing you desire can compare with her. She offers you a long life in her right hand and riches and honor in her left. She will guide you down delightful paths. All of her ways are satisfying. Wisdom is a tree of life to those who embrace her happy or those who hold her tightly. By wisdom the Lord founded the earth. By understanding, he created the heavens. By his knowledge, the deep fountains of the earth burst forth and the dew settles beneath the light sky. My child, do not lose sight of common sense and discernment. Hang on to them, for they will refresh your soul. And they are like jewels of a necklace. They keep you safe and on your way. And your feet will not stumble. You can go to bed without fear. You will lie down and sleep soundly. You need not to be afraid of sudden disaster or the destruction that comes upon the wicked. For the Lord is your security. He will keep your foot from being caught in a trap. Do not withhold good from those who deserve it when it is in your power to help them. If you can help your neighbor now, do not say, come back tomorrow, and then I'll help you. Do not plot harm against your neighbor. For those who live nearby trust you. Do not pick a fight without reason when no one has you harm. Do not envy violent people or copy their ways. Such wicked people are just. Are disturb. Such wicked people are just detestable to the Lord. Why can I not say that name or that word?
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Detestable is a weird word when you look at it typed.
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Well, it's funny. Is like, we're not going to edit that out so everyone can get a laugh at that. So anyways, such wicked people are detestable to the Lord, but he offers his friendship to the godly. The Lord curses the house of the wicked, but he blesses the home of the upright. The Lord mocks the mockers, but is gracious to the humble. The wise inherit honor, but fools are put to shame. So that was Proverbs 3, the whole chapter. Initially I was just like, all right, let me get the first five, six verses. Because I really like. I don't know, I really like those verses. And I know at the very beginning we read Proverbs 3, 5, 6 when we started the podcast. And I was just reading through that today because today is December 3rd, and. Which is cool about the book of Proverbs. I know we've talked about it before, but in case you're a new listener, there are 31 chapters and guess what? There's up to 31 days in every month. So. So if you're kind of figuring like, kind of wondering, like, hey, what, where should I read in the Bible? Start in Proverbs. Now, there's obviously a lot of other things that you should be reading, but at a minimum, if you're just like, like, let's say you don't have a plan that you're following, or you don't have a Bible study, or you don't know how to study the Bible, or you don't know where to start reading.
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Whatever day of the month it is, read that Proverbs. And so I was reading that earlier and I just wanted to read a few verses and I, as I was gone, I was like, no, this whole chapter is. Is good. There's like so many things from there. So I know we're going to do Q and A, but wanted to kick it off with that. Lucas, how are you, buddy?
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B
Man, I'm great. Had a wonderful Thanksgiving with the fam and shout out to.
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Oh, man, I don't even know how many once removes he has from it. We went to my wife's stepmom's brother's house for Thanksgiving, and he was, he was a long snapper in the NFL for a lot of years. Snapped the ball to Adam Vinatieri in 2003 when the new England Patriots won the Super Bowl. So was on the super bowl winning play, got a game ball from that. But he busted out the super bowl ring to show the kids, which was pretty cool because he only.
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I mean, I've known the guy for, like, six years, something like that. He's never talked about it. Like, he's got stuff in there, but, like, he's never brought the ring to anything. But his wife was like, you should show the kids. So he goes to the vault and grabbed it and showed all the kids. So that was. That was really cool. So shout out to Uncle Sean for the. He says he pulls out, like, maybe once a decade, he'll get it out and check it out. He's like, other than that, he goes, you know, I was on the team. It was a lot of fun. But, you know, he just. He was like. I think, like, the six plays I was on the field, they're like, one of them really counted, but he'd have a stat line for it, you know, a few tackles. And so, yeah, got to play in a Super Bowl. It's pretty rad.
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That's. I love that. And also, I love the aspect of humility that this guy. He's not doing the Uncle Rico. Like, no. Back in my day, I was in the NFL. I played in a Super bowl team, which all those things are true. And he could just straight up 100.
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He's a super bowl champion. He's a Super Bowl. Like, there's no two ways about it. He's a Super bowl champion.
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A
He's not. Not dwelling on the past.
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B
No, he's not pretty rad. But he did bring out the ring to. To show everybody.
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Okay, that's not dwelling like that is.
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B
It was pretty cool. And, yeah. So I was talking to Kirsten. I was like, all right, next time. Next time we're over there that we just need to get a picture because it's Sean's huge, right? He's. He's super tall. He's got big old meat hooks for hands. I just want a picture with the boys while they're, like, with their. You know, their fingers in the super bowl ring.
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Right?
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And we never have to take it. Like, we never have to be around it again, but just to have that picture, like, hey, once upon a time. Yep. So it was cool. He. He and his wife Rachel hosted. They did a phenomenal job. So it was great getting to hang out with them and then getting to hang out with. With my family and then with her mom stuff. We just had a great Thanksgiving and I smoked my 3 year old at foosball.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Which is great.
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A
Yeah.
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B
He didn't score a point. And afterwards you didn't give him like. No.
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Some freebies?
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Not at all.
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Annihilated.
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How did he, how did he react after that?
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B
So he was playing with a.
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A
Another kid?
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B
Yeah, with his, his 8 year old cousin. And his 8 year old cousin was not taking it well. And Levi just put his hand down and he's like, it's okay, man. Sometimes we lose. It was just, it was so good. And then, you know, he gave me the good game handshake and then when his, his cousin did not, his cousin got a little Patty Leva came up to me and was like, I'm sorry, he wasn't a very good. He didn't have very good sportsmanship. I was like, you know what, man? That's okay. It just, that was my most proud moment at Thanksgiving was that was completely obliterating my kid at a game and him having a good attitude about it and then being like, hey, let's, let's play again. And to be just completely transparent, Levi wins his fair share of stuff. Like there will be times where dad just doesn't put down a couple of cards during Uno and let him win so he doesn't get, you know, get stacked with all the draw fours or whatever.
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A
Yeah. You can't just completely demolish.
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Not at everything all the time. Yeah.
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A
But you also have to let your kids know, like, hey, you're gonna lose. You're not life for a while.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I think that's, I don't think. I know that's a good thing for parents to do with their kids. Because if you just give your kids everything, if you give them wins, if you don't make them like do chores around the house, you don't make them work, you don't, you know, you buy, you know, all these. All things like, guess what? Then you're gonna have children as adults.
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B
Yep.
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And those children that are adults that end up having kids themselves and then don't know how to like.
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Actually be an adult and they don't understand like hard work ethics and value. Like that's a problem.
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Yeah, yeah. It's. It's just cool though to see because two things are happening. One, I'm certainly proud of him because he's learning to take the L's and have a good attitude. And then the second is that because he's losing sometimes he's actually getting a lot better at the games that we're playing because he's, you know, he's figured out that the line, you know, determines whether or not something is a 6 or a 9 in UNO. And he's figuring out how to, like, uno's a big player in our house right now. He's figuring out how to. How to swap the colors. Right. That it's not just the wilds, but you can do it with the other cards. And then, you know, he's putting down the. The draw twos and the draw fours.
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Nice. Does he laugh when he.
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Bro, he. Not only does he laugh, like if he gets a number, if, you know, somebody's got a green six and he put down. He puts down a yellow six, he'll laugh. Whenever he puts down the color change, he's like, hahaha. And when before he puts down the draw card or the reverse, he'll look at you and he'll apologize. He's like, I'm sorry. And then puts down the draw to it. I'm like, oh, man, that's dirty.
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A
That's awesome.
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B
Yeah, but it's so like, he's so sweet.
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A
Yeah.
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You know, because he's three and then his brother just parrots whatever he says. So they. You get the Levi's. Like, I'm sorry. Gives you the hard stare whenever he puts down the draw too. And then you just hear Scotty, he's like, hi K. Like, no, no, you're not. No, you're both terrible right now. Yep.
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A
That's awesome, man. I would say that's a, That's a win. Yeah.
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B
Yeah. So that was my big victory at Thanksgiving.
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A
Kid had a good attitude that you enjoyed.
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B
We had. My brother makes a homemade pumpkin pie, like from scratch. That's legit.
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A
What's your brother Matt. Okay.
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Yeah, yeah, he. And it's. It's phenomenal. My mom was given a dessert recipe from my great aunt on my dad's side, and she was the only person that she passed it down to. So we only get it at Thanksgiving. It's called luscious dessert. I have no idea what's in it, but it's. It's delectable. So good. And then my brother smoked a brisket because turkey is not the greatest meat that's out there. So we've gotten into the habit of Thanksgiving brisket. And it was phenomenal.
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A
Yeah.
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Could not have been happier.
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A
So we had a early Thanksgiving when Hayden was in town, and that was just awesome.
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B
Yeah, it's pretty rad, dude.
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It was awesome. Had a bunch of People over the house. But it was still awesome.
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I think. I mean, we had.
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B
So was this your first Thanksgiving with Hayden?
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Oh, yeah. We. We were just reconnected back in January.
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Yeah, But I mean, like, because of when he was born and stuff, there wasn't. You didn't have the opportunity to do that before.
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His mom split.
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A
Yeah. That's so first one.
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That's pretty cool, man.
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It was cool. Yeah, I enjoyed it. My parents were over, My in laws were over. We had three other families over. And then Brent was over as well. So we did a little. A little hybrid friends giving type of thing.
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B
Brent Casiglio.
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A
Yes, sir. Yeah.
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B
Nice. I just got my hair cut today by the guy that does Brent's hair.
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A
Oh, nice.
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I almost told him I want the Brent, but Brent's better looking than I am and I don't need that comparison in my life.
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A
I mean, whatever you could have done, it could have.
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I could have been shamed.
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You can do anything. You can do anything. This is true. But my buddy Dang came over the day before and spatchcocked the turkey to make it to where it be easy to smoke and. And then just took it and just literally just cut it into quarters and just smoked it that way. And it was awesome.
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Tri tip that Dane cooked as well, which is awesome. So, I mean, we had so much food, it was crazy. And I know we talked about this before, but.
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It was. It was really cool to see Hayden just interacting with everybody and all the friends and our friends, kids and them all just like hanging out. Just, you know, it was really cool. And then on Wednesday, we drove to Mississippi to have Thanksgiving with her aunt and her brother and her parents flew out there and we drove out there. So that was really cool to be able to just spend that day, spend that time with her aunt and her brother. And so we did that. You know, we were there Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Friday, the. The ladies all went and ran some errands. They went down to Oxford and did some shopping. And then Senatopia and then back up into the South Haven area. And Aiden and myself and Jeff sat in the house, kind of took care of some stuff. And then we watched Tombstone, which was awesome. First time Aiden's ever watched Tombstone, bro.
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B
First time Aiden has?
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Yeah.
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B
What?
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Yeah, I mean, I. I watched it when I was younger, but man, it had been so long. Like, as things were happening in the movie, I would remember them, but I was telling Jeff, I'm like, I can't tell you what's gonna happen next. And then it would happen. I'm like, oh, yeah, oh yeah, Jeff. You know, my father in law, he's a big like westerns movie guy. Like always watching them, just like my grandfather was. And I mean, he just watches them all the time, which I love because I could watch those all the time also. And my brother Corey and I used to love watching westerns all the time because my dad would put them on and watch them with us as well. But it was cool to like watch that movie with Aiden. And he was just engaged in the movie the whole time. And then that night we went to this place in Hernando called La Siesta. And it's Mexican restaurant. And it is some of the best shrimp chipotle I've ever had in my life. Like, we always get extra of it, freeze it, and then bring it back home. Like that's how good it is. And their queso and their salsa is, you know, same thing. Amanda bought a gallon of their salsa, froze it and brought it back with us. So that should tell you how good this place is.
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No kidding.
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And then that night we hung out with some of our friends, which was cool to like go out and hang out with some of her friends. The places like we used to go to when we lived there, you know, freaking almost not, you know, almost nine years ago, we moved. This January I think will be nine years.
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That's wild, man.
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From when we moved, which is.
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Time's weird.
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Oh, eight years. No, no, that would be.
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Yeah, eight years. January will be eight years, which is crazy. So anyways, a good trip, hung out and then came back. Just, you know, time with family. We played a lot of cards, you know, like golf and kings in the corner and some Uno and whatnot. It was just cool hanging out with family and just relaxing and, you know, just trying to be present with the family. I didn't do any work emails that week. Yeah, I was scrolling through and seeing like, hey, is there anything critical? But unless, you know, if it wasn't critical, I just let it stay until Monday. And that was actually really nice to be able to do. Yeah, it was really nice to be like, actually do that and be like.
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B
To really unplug.
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Yeah. And be like, okay, just quick scan each day of priorities. Like I would do it in the morning and then do it like late afternoon. Time frame, just making sure. But same thing with text messages. There's some text messages I just didn't respond to. And I'm like, okay, cool. Like, this isn't mission critical. What they're saying isn't they don't need a response right now, like, let me just try to be present with my family. And it was nice, you know, listen to Jocko's episode on the Sean Ryan show, which is pretty cool. Awesome.
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B
Yeah. Listening to him talk about the. No pun intended here, but maybe we'll use the word beginnings instead of origins, but the beginnings of Jocko Fuel and origin.
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Yeah.
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And all of that. And you know, especially talking about how the energy drinks were such a big motivator for him to do stuff with Jocko Fuel because he saw how many energy drinks those guys were going through on deployments. Also use code JP Pod20 to save 20% on all of those energy drinks.
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A
Seriously, if you go to Joc fuel.com and you use the code JP Pod 20, you save 20% and it helps the podcast. So.
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B
Yeah.
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Thank you.
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B
And just hearing, hearing him talk about how they figured out how to past or why they figured out how to pasteurize it.
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Yeah.
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Was to keep it clean. Was, was really cool because like we've talked about, oh, it's a pasteurized blah, blah, blah. Yeah. I didn't know the reason why that was so important was to get rid of all of, of that stuff that they would have to use in order to keep it shelf stable so that it could still be clean energy was really cool. And Sean's response is to let. So this stuff really matters to you, man. He's like, yeah, yeah. But to some people it doesn't. You know, some people.
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A
Does it?
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Yeah, some people it's just a marketing thing. And yeah, it's, it's really not for them, which is really cool.
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I can't remember when it was what podcast that I was on with Jocko, but he was talking about that and he's like, yeah, you're one of the reasons why I needed to create a healthy energy drink.
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B
No doubt. No, no. I mean, like we've, we've talked about your previous energy drink consumption and it was a lot.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think like a few weeks ago when we had the Jesus and Jiu Jitsu board meeting in the evening, like I get there and everyone's like ordering drinks from this little coffee shop that we went to. And you know, some guys are getting coffee, some of you guys get energy energy drinks. And I'm looking through, I was like, I'm kind of at my max caffeine and like Stephen made some smart out comment, like joking. But you know Stephen, he's just, he's always gonna, you know, make some Little comment.
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In a joking, jestful way. That's just. That's just Stephen. And I was just like, bro, I have had. I am at, like 8,000 milligrams of caffeine for the day total. I was like, I. I don't. And so I asked the lady. I'm like, hey, what's. Like, what's your. What's. What's your energy drink with the least amount? And that was the night I came and recorded with you afterwards. So I was just like, I'm gonna need a little something to get. Get through this board meeting and then gonna go record with Lucas.
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Great. Good times.
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You gotta. You gotta have that fuel. All right, you ready to jump into some. Some Q's and A's?
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A
Some Q's and some A's.
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B
Let's do it. So the question, number one, is discipline genetic or is it learned?
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Both.
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B
Okay.
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It is primarily learned. And the reason why I say both is because I just. There are some people that are just. They are wired to be very structured and disciplined. Like, it's how they operate, you know, call it OCD or whatever. Like, there are people that are just wired to where it appears like they are more organized and disciplined. But discipline is a skill set, you know? And the reason why I said both is because, you know, one of the things that a question that we get at Echelon Front is, are leaders born or made? And the answer is both, because all of us have different leadership qualities that we are born with.
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While all of us have a lot of leadership qualities that we have to develop. You might have a few leadership qualities that you're born with, but to be a great leader, there's a lot of skill sets that you have to develop, and discipline is a skill set. You have to be disciplined with all the little things so that you can be disciplined with the big things. And discipline gives you freedom. One of the things I like that my buddy, Pastor Chris Lerma talks about is discipline produces desire.
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And him and I were talking about that one time, and he said, if you're disciplined with reading your Bible.
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Studying the Bible, and praying and giving God praise and listening to praise and worship, if you're just. If you can get discipline to create that habit, you are going to desire it more and more and more. Therefore, the discipline to do it is going to increase as well. You know, one things we talk about in at Echelon Front with discipline equals freedom is people don't like discipline being imposed upon them unless they understand the value of it. And that's why it's really important that we explain the value of when we have to discipline our children, when we have to impose discipline in regards to structure and SOPs and, you know, and parameters in which people can operate. You know, we put, put those things in place to protect people and to help them and, and to grow, you know, like, you know, the interns that work for you, you have SOPs in place for them, you have structure for them so that they do things a certain way and don't do things that they shouldn't be doing so that they can be, what, successful. It's the same thing that we do with our kids. Now, your kids are much younger than ours, but it's, you know, the same thing that we do with our kids. And as Aiden's gotten older, we have to be a little more strict with some of these bigger things because there's bigger, there's bigger consequences to some of the things that he does and some of the things that he might not do in life. So I believe that some people have some inherent characteristics and traits that help them be more disciplined or appear to be more disciplined. But discipline is a skill set that you can grow, and the more you do it, the more you'll desire it if you're reaping the benefits of those things.
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B
Yeah.
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It has to be a both hand. Just like anything as far as, like, there's got to be some genetic predisposition towards it and, and some that is trained into it, but neither of them are an excuse for not having it.
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A
Exactly. Like Jockey, right? He is, he is pretty predisposed. Predisposed or no, I don't know if it's predisposed. He doesn't need as much sleep as I need.
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B
Yeah. Oh yeah.
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Yeah. He does not. Like, it's a, like it's a genetic thing. He does not need as much sleep as I need. So he can go to bed at 10 and wake up or 10:30 or 11 and wake up at 4:30 and feel awesome.
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If I get four to five hours of sleep, I do not feel awesome. I feel like a dumpster fire. Now can I do it? Yeah. Do I do it? Yes. Do I enjoy it? Absolutely not. I would prefer to get a solid 8 to 9. And as I've gotten older, I've needed more. And unfortunately, my life doesn't always give me the opportunities to get that much sleep. But I also know that if I was a little more disciplined with my time management and starting to shut my brain down earlier in the day, I could possibly fall asleep earlier. And then when the alarm goes off at 3:15 or 3:30 for an FTX or the muster, then I wouldn't feel as bad as I feel. Yeah.
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B
Quinton, number two.
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We talked on our Veterans Day episode about a World War II vet who is 99 years old that you got the opportunity to talk to. Yeah.
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The. There's a two part question here. One is, what's the chances we get him on the podcast? Because there's a lot of people who, who would love to.
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Listen to his story. And two, what was Yalls conversation like? Because you just kind of mentioned meeting him, but you didn't really talk about whether or not you guys got to chat.
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So we didn't really get to. Okay, so to answer the first part, I, I don't know, I can talk to Pastor Joshua McCaskill who put together the veterans thing, who knows him, and we could, you know, see what would. Yeah.
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B
Because those stories are going away.
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Yeah.
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The conversation we had was, you know, just very short, very superficial. Not in a bad way, but just, you know, it's right before the event started, I just, I told him it was an honor to meet him. I was just very thankful for everything that he did. And you know, he was just, you know, just a sweet old man. He just big smile and was like, oh, I appreciate it. You know, it was awesome. And you know, I loved what I absolutely did. And my buddy Craig Dale was there. He comes to Milestone as well. One of my buddies from the old jiu jitsu gym that I was at, he came and.
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You know, he's another guy I'd like to get on the podcast, was an enlisted Marine, became an officer, fighter pilot, you know, which is freaking unreal if you think about that. You know, machine gunner in the Marine Corps and infantry, you know, machine gunner and then becomes a fighter pilot for the Marine Corps. Well, he was sitting at the table with Amanda, Aiden and I, and he was sitting right next to that guy. So he was actually having some like really good conversations. And it was. I was trying to like talk to Amanda and some other people, but also I was really trying to like listen to what they were talking about because they were just talking about some just, you know, things from back in the day. So I didn't get to have some really good in depth conversations with them. I wish I would have been able to. Afterwards I was like hoping to talk to him and he came up to me and he was like, man, that was a great speech. Thank you so. And I'm like, are you like, okay.
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B
Like, thank you very much. Yeah. Like, there's, there's sometimes where that's all, that's all you got.
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Right? Super uncomfortable.
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B
Yeah.
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But he was a very genuine, very sweet guy. You know, like I said, he opened up the prayer and he was just, like, praying, just like they told me ahead of time, like, hey, you know, he's very opinionated and he's gonna say what he wants. I'm like, yeah, he's a 99 year old World War II vet.
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B
Like, he's earned it.
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A
Yeah. And it wasn't like, the things he was saying were, like, offensive. He was just praying that God would bless Trump and his presidency and that he would make the right decisions for our nation and that we don't go to war with Russia.
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B
And you would want to pray those things over any, any president.
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A
Right.
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B
Because you, you, you want the people in your leadership to make the right decisions that are. Are best for the people that they're governing.
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A
Guess what? I wasn't a fan of our previous president, but guess what? I still wanted God to.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like, guide him.
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B
Help guys make good decisions.
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A
Yeah, yeah. You know, definitely not. Yeah. So.
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So many directions we can go with that because some people just get crazy and it's just like, okay, cool. You don't like that person or that leader.
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But they're still in that position. You should want them to succeed.
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B
Yeah, yeah. Not wanting them to succeed is.
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A vote for bad things in our nation. To have any of this, that's never made very much sense for where or to me. Next question. If you couldn't do jiu jitsu, what martial art would you do?
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I think this is just a way of, like, somebody's like, all right, if, you know, what should I do? Maybe I'm doing jiu jitsu. What can I. What should I do other than jiu jitsu? Or. I don't know. This is a weird. A weird way to frame that.
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A
So I'm gonna give two answers. I think it could be interpreted two different ways.
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If I wasn't doing jiu jitsu and if I was doing a martial art. And like, when I first hear that question, I'm thinking, okay, are we talking, like, karate or some other form of, like, martial art? Like, that's why I think traditionally I would find a hardcore, hardcore old school Shotokan karate dojo.
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B
Okay.
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A
And I would train there. That's the type of karate that I grew up doing. It's the same one that Leota Machida does. Ufc.
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B
Yeah. UFC champ.
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A
Yeah, yeah. And So I would, I would do some hardcore like Shotokan karate. And I say hardcore because some karate schools, actually most have become very watered down and it's a buy your belt business and that the gym I grew up in was not Nevaronis kickboxing. He still has a gym in Roseville, California. And sometimes when I'm back home and I have the ability to go see him, I stop in the gym and say hi. He actually was the trainer and coach for Dennis Alexio, who is the world heavyweight kickboxing champion. Oh, wow. 50 something and one only lost his first fight. And the guy, he lost his first fight to his. It was his first professional fight. And this guy had a crazy amount of kickboxing fights. He lost to him and then went on a 50 something.
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Win streak. And that guy would never fight him again. The guy literally would never fight him again.
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B
I don't blame him.
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A
Yeah. Multiple world championships and belts and titles. Remember the kickboxing movie Kickboxer, where. With Van Damme.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And remember that guy who's in a wheelchair in the movie? That's, that's Dennis Alexio. He's not really in a wheelchair, but he plays a guy in a wheelchair because he got paralyzed from that one fighter. That's actually Dennis Alexio.
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B
That's cool.
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A
So seeing him in the movie, I was like, what? I actually was able to. A few times that he fought in Sacramento before he fought, I was backstage with him because, you know, my trainers are all back there and getting all these other fighters and it was cool to like actually pray with him and pray over him before some of his fights.
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B
Yeah, that's pretty rad.
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A
And I'm just. Only reason I say that is like, I'm thankful that that's the way my parents raised me to have that boldness in my faith. And for me to be in high school and going up to a world champion, like heavyweight champion, and saying, hey, Dennis, can I pray over you and pray with you before this fight? And he's like, of course, kid. Yeah, that's really what he said. He said of course he lived in Hawaii, he was like this cool dude. But anyways, I was able to like walk out to the ring with him for a few of his fights. And that's pretty. Yeah. So if it wasn't like that traditional Shotokan karate, it would be.
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Would be Muay Thai.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah.
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B
What you. Do you. Have you done any like, what is it, Sambo or like catch wrestling or anything like that?
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A
No, I don't think so. That would be cool.
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B
Yeah. Like, I've, I've never tried either of those things that, not that that surprises anybody, but.
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But yeah, I would think.
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You know, those. Because there's guys who have done those that have been fairly successful in.
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A
Yeah, that would be rad.
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B
You wouldn't go to, like, Dagestan for, for six months and.
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A
No, there's reasons why I would not go there. I mean, I would go there for a few reasons, but there's also a few reasons I would not go.
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B
Yeah, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. But. All right, so. So an old school show.
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Or.
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Or Muay Thai.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Have you been keeping up with.
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A
Because the sambo with catch wrestling is like, very close to Jiu Jitsu.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So that's why I kind of.
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B
Yeah.
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The rule sets in. Those are almost identical.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Yeah. Have you been keeping up with. With our buddy Dylan, Don Cooper. Yeah. Who, like, was over in Thailand doing Muay Thai stuff.
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A
My best friend, roommate Derek Benson, used to do that.
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B
Oh, really?
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A
Yeah. There's a few trips I was supposed to go. And of course, it's like such a reminder that life is so short because I always thought I would have the chance to go to Thailand with him to train. And then he got killed on the helicopter crash.
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B
It was a extortion.
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A
17. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. But yeah, I, I, I would love to. You know, my dad's gone to Thailand and trained.
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B
No way.
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A
Yeah, a few times.
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B
Really?
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A
Not a few. Yeah, I think twice, actually.
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B
So, okay, so we've got. If you couldn't do Jiu jitsu, can we get the World War II vet on the podcast?
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Is, Is discipline genetic or is it something that's learned? A lot of people are asking how recovery on the biceps going?
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Yep. You still got the robot arm.
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A
Still got the robot arm on. It's good. I had my doctor's appointment.
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Yesterday. Yeah. And he said, I am ahead of schedule.
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B
That's good to hear.
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A
Yeah. So I am ahead of schedule. And so we're, you know, we're checking everything out. And I'm hesitant sharing this because I.
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I don't know, I'm just gonna. Because it's the truth. But I don't want people like, oh, I could do the same thing. You probably shouldn't. But.
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So we're going through everything. He says how he's like, man, he really good had a schedule. You know, he's happy. He's like, I'm very pleased. And I was like, I have a confession. Looks at me. I was like, because he made A comment about physical therapy.
- [34:45]
And yes, I told him that I have not gone to physical therapy and I've just been doing it all on my own. And he, like, looks at me, kind of does a little side head tilt, and he's like, huh? He's like, well, if you wouldn't have told me that, I wouldn't have known that. And we were talking just about, like, the rehab and everything else like that. And I explained to him, I was like, hey, when your physician's assistant told me everything I would be doing in physical therapy up until this appointment, I just, I was able to retain it. And I know, like, my body and I've been through rehab and physical therapy before, and I like, I really like to study the body. The body and all those things. And so I was just talking about how, like, I have an awareness and understanding of those things. Like, those are things that really interest me. And I also explained to him, like, I also wasn't stupid with my. My rehab. I wasn't trying to do things faster than I could. It was all range of motion type of rehab. And so those are things that I legitimately could do on my own. And he was like, well, I mean, he's like, you did a great job. And the. And the reason why I decided to share that is because I knew I was going to put that little disclaimer in there is I wasn't trying to do things sooner than I should. I wasn't lifting weights. I wasn't training jiu jitsu. I wasn't taking my brace off and just doing things normal. I stayed with that time frame as if I was like, the way I was directed to. So rehab's good, but yeah, I'm in the arm brace. Going to be in it for a while longer because we want a 100% recovery. And so that's what we're doing.
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B
Sweet. I'm searching, there's. I'm trying to find questions that we haven't answered because there's a lot of people that are asking, like, repeat questions, which is one of those things that, like.
- [36:47]
Let me make sure I phrase this properly, is actually pretty encouraging because it means that there's a lot of people that are new to the podcast that maybe haven't heard those answers in the past. So I'm going to ask a couple of oldies. And so if you guys have heard answers to these before is like, hang with us. If you're new to the show, then. Then we'll take a couple. But these are ones that I'm seeing Like, over and over again that the people are asking. So the first question is, what was it like serving with Jocko?
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Which I think everybody wants to know. And you could answer this question every podcast, and people would get excited about it. So go ahead.
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A
It was awesome.
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B
Cool.
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A
Yeah, no, it was awesome because he trusted us. Jocko empowered us.
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Yeah, it was. It was awesome because he pushed us. He cared about us, he loved us, he respected us. Like, all the things that you want from a leader. He did. All the things that we should be doing as leaders. He did. He empowered us. He gave us ownership. He gave us responsibilities. He held himself accountable, and he held us accountable. He held us to a very high standard and explained why he was holding us to a very high standard. He took the time to get to know us. He took the time to understand our different personalities and what pushed us and what, you know, what was the driving factor behind jp he figured out what that was, and he would use that to push me to be a better seal, to be a better teammate, to be a better man. Yeah, it was. It was awesome. I. I absolutely loved, loved working for Jocko and Leif and Seth.
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Let me read something that I wrote.
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B
Yeah. If you want more about that, go check out episode.
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A
Where is it here? Was that the episode that we did? Was it like working for Jocko and people are like, oh, this is a rebuttal to.
- [38:52]
B
To something else?
- [38:54]
A
Yeah, yeah, no kidding.
- [38:55]
B
Defunct episode that, like, doesn't exist anymore.
- [38:57]
A
Oh, that's weird. Oh, you mean a podcast that literally just made up lies to spread hate and discontent and try to ruin people, fell apart, and now they're also getting sued from a lot of people.
- [39:10]
B
Yeah, go figure. But go check out episode 034, which was not a rebuttal. We had recorded it before anything else came out. People discovered it after that episode, which.
- [39:19]
A
Was also pretty funny. They're like, oh, that's a rebuttal. Okay, cool. Let's just say it was just. Okay. Why would I not, like, why would I not do that for somebody that I love, that I care about, that I also know is a good man? I would do that for anybody.
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B
Yeah.
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A
If somebody tried to, like, put, like, some, like, thing out there that was bad on you, guess what? I would record all the good things about you and the truth about you, and I would rebuttal all the BS lies that were made up about you.
- [39:44]
B
Yep.
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A
I would do that for anybody I care about. And.
- [39:47]
B
And, you know, we've been blessed with a platform to be able to do that, but Also, I mean, just keep commenting on that video so. Because that just.
- [39:54]
A
Yeah. Thank you.
- [39:55]
B
Doesn't do anything but, like, help us. I was that. But yeah. Episode. If you want to know a little bit more about what that was, like episode 034, you talk about that. And I think there's one. 033. Is. Is you talking about what it was like working with Leif. And then we had done one earlier about the. The author of the new book, the need to Lead.
- [40:23]
A
Such a good book. The audio version is awesome.
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B
Yeah, no doubt. Does it have. So in the audio versions of extreme ownership and dichotomy, there would be, like, periodic sound effects that were put in there. No, it doesn't have any.
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A
No.
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B
Okay.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Because those. Those did kind of get me.
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A
It's a book and it's awesome.
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B
Those did kind of get me fired up every now and then. Because it wasn't like every time they would talk about a firefight, there would be like some of that stuff in the background. But, like, maybe once an hour.
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A
So I've heard the story and then I read it in the book. But then also listening to Dave Burke talk about his. No viz. Landing on an aircraft carrier.
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Was just. Man, there was a lot of anxiety listening to that.
- [41:06]
B
Yeah, no doubt.
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A
It was crazy. But to answer also before we go on different routes, that question is, you know, I was writing something for.
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A speech I was going to give, and I ended up not.
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But.
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I have it in my second platoon is when I met Jocko Willink. He came into our task unit as our task unit commander, which means he was in charge of our group. We were tasking a Bravo, which consisted of Charlie Platoon and Delta Platoon. Leif Babin was the officer in charge, or oic, of Charlie Platoon, and Seth Stone was the officer in charge, or OIC of Delta Platoon. I had gone through sqt, which stands for SEAL Qualification Training, with Leif and Seth, and they were men of God and incredible leaders. I learned a lot from them at a young age. After we graduated from SQT, Seth and I both went to Seal Team 3 Delta Platoon as new guys. Seth was my big brother in the SEAL teams, and he helped me become a young man in the SEAL Teams. Seth was a man of faith who loved the Lord. He was a warrior in combat and a warrior for Christ. One of the first things that Jocko did for our task unit was change our name. We were tasking a Bravo, and then we became tasking a Bruiser. He did this to help us understand who we were and what we were training for. We were preparing for war. He reminded us that there was a determined enemy training and preparing to kill us. He pushed us to train hard and to take ownership. Take ownership over everything that affected our task unit and everything that affected our lives. No more excuses, no more blaming anybody else. Take ownership and find a solution to the problems. He encouraged and empowered us to step up and lead. No matter what rank we were or how old we were, none of that mattered. Lead. That is all that matters. Lead yourself and lead the people around you. He made sure we understood our roles and responsibilities and how each of us were critical to the success of our task unit. He constantly reminded us of what our mission was. He had very high standards for us, and he also had very high standards for himself, which he maintained at all times. His high standards, expectations, and hard training is how I knew Jocko not only cared about us, but he loved us. Jocko, Leif, and Seth truly cared about us and loved us. They cared more about us than they did themselves. They were and still are the leaders I hope to become. So that is 111 page of 13 that I typed up.
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B
Wow. So what was that going to be.
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A
For a talk at church?
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B
That's pretty cool.
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A
Yeah. So.
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B
Wow, man.
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A
Yeah.
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B
What. I guess.
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I want to probe more in. Into that, but maybe.
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A
Go ahead.
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B
Yeah. So what. What is the. That's the intro to the talk.
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A
No, that's page four.
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B
Oh, that's page four.
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A
Yeah.
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B
Okay. Right on.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So what was the. What's your. Your scripture that you're using for that. That talk?
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A
I don't know. There's a few in there.
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B
Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Or did you. Or I guess what was the. The theme of that particular talk, maybe, or the topic.
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A
There was really no theme. They just wanted me to speak. Cool.
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B
So that's. That's rad, dude.
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A
Ended up. Things ended up changing. Ended up not doing any of that, but I have it. So I just. Yeah, I'm trying to find.
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Let's see. Yeah, there's just a lot of.
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B
A lot of stuff.
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A
Yeah, I'm, like looking here.
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B
I've got another question for you.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So this one is. It's one that was given to us after somebody listened to our episode with Ethan Bernard. We talk a little bit about fasting, and then they've heard us talk about fasting is a spiritual discipline.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And they. They said, I've never fasted before. What time frames and kinds of fasts do you recommend? And in that time frame, slash, kind of fast, is it okay to drink protein shakes.
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A
I mean, I feel like we should have this question for like someone like Roman or Jonathan and.
- [45:53]
B
Yeah.
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A
Aaron Archer. You know what I mean?
- [45:56]
B
But yeah, well, this is. He's wanting to fast less for health reasons, more for spiritual reasons. So he's asking like, what kinds of fasts do you do when you're doing them for spiritual reasons? And then.
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A
So there's different types of fasts that you can do.
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There's a water only fast. That's usually if I'm fasting for spiritual reasons. Like, I'm just like, why would I want to. And this is not against anybody else who does different versions of fasting. But if I'm fasting for spiritual reasons, I'm doing a 100% water only fast.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I'm not doing.
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B
So what's the duration of that for you?
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A
Typically it could be three days. Could be seven days. Yeah, I did a 21 day fast once.
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B
There was water only.
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A
Yeah, I did have.
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I did have a meal in there at the 14 day mark, I believe. But that's because Amanda and I were out in Virginia beach for my upgrade ceremony.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And it was like this big thing and Seth was there and a bunch of other guys and guys were getting ready grade.
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B
Is this from bronze to silver?
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A
Yeah. Okay. BV to silver.
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And so there was like this big meal that everyone was doing and I was like, you know what? Okay, like this, I mean, this could be last meal I get to have with some of these guys that were getting ready to go on deployment.
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And.
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So I, Yeah, I decided to have a meal and it was seafood. I literally had a piece of fish and vegetables, like steamed. Steamed veggies.
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B
And still ate like very, very clean.
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A
And water. Which. Yeah, some people do fast. Like where it's like only seafood and veggies.
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B
Yeah. Like a, like a Lenten fast or something like that.
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A
There's like the Daniel fast. Yeah.
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B
Which is primarily. It's no rich foods. Right. So you'd stay away from like, there's no meat, fried foods or.
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A
Well, no, the Daniel fast. I don't think you can do any meat. It's literally just vegetables and like beans.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And you know.
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So okay, technically I didn't do 21 days, but I did 21 days water only except for that one meal.
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B
Right.
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A
But for spiritual, I mean, I, you know, here's the other thing. Like, I know Tyrone talked about this and he's shared this a lot from, you know, different messages. When he talks, he actually has a message that he did a Milestone about fasting. Yeah, like they always usually have him do the fasting one because he's known as, like, he'll do these fast.
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And you know, he has a really good job, does a really good job articulating that. But you know, one day he like fast for 30 days, but it was lunch only. And he, what he did is when he was working construction, instead of taking his lunch break and go and do whatever, he spent this time just praying and meditating and listening to praise and worship instead of eating right. And so that's what he would do. And he's really big on, hey, anytime you're getting ready to make a big decision in life, you should fast 100%. Yeah. And that's actually something I was talking to Aiden about. And I'm gonna like, you know, he's competing. So when this episode comes out, he's competing tomorrow at the Waco Open.
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B
Okay.
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A
Yeah, I'm bombed. I'm gonna miss it. So I'll be flying to Orlando for the muster. But after he's done with his jiu jitsu tournament, I'm going to encourage him within the next week or two to do a 48 to 72 hour fast. And just fast and lean in on the Lord on what the next steps are that he needs to be making as a young man. So I don't think it's so much like what you do, but it's why you do it. Like your heart posture. Yeah. So is it one meal a day that instead of sitting down and eating lunch, you're reading your Bible for 30 minutes? Like literally just reading your Bible for 30 minutes and praying, or reading for 15 minutes and praying for 15 minutes. That's a long time to be praying, by the way. Yeah, 15 minutes of prayer is going to be very hard for people to do. So I think, you know, it's just, it's more of like your heart posture. That's the way I've always looked at it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And the other thing, like, you know, the Bible also tells us like, hey, when you're fasting, don't be bragging about it.
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B
Right.
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A
Don't be fat, you know, like, don't.
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B
Don'T be trying to make yourself look emaciated and all of this stuff in order to get praise from others. Like, oh, look at how he's fasting.
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A
Look at that.
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B
Yeah. How holy he is.
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A
Yeah. So, but yeah, that's what I've done. It's usually, it's like if I'm fasting for spiritual reasons, it's Usually like a two to three day fast. Yeah, I'll usually fast going into pursuit. If I'm serving.
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I usually do that like the day of, like that Thursday and sometimes even Thursday, Friday. Yeah. And so I'll be fasting just.
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Because God puts all my heart and I'll do it. There's other times I haven't. And I've gone to a pursuit to serve. And it, Lily, was not even. It wasn't even a thought of the fast. And I was just like, all right, cool, here we are. Enjoy my food as I'm driving out to see the Kenya.
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B
And it's. It's one of those things too, from a spiritual standpoint that so much of it has to do with what you're one. What you're wanting to and to get out of it, and to whether or not you feel like you're honoring the commitment to the Lord that you've made.
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A
Right.
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B
Because there, there are times when you go like straight water. But there's a lot of things from a spiritual standpoint that fasting from produces really positive spiritual results, you know, because it's. Maybe what you end up fasting from is, you know, you realize, hey, you know what? I'm spending, you know, four hours a night watching episodes of the Office or whatever on, on repeat, even though this is my, my third time through all of them. You know, maybe what I do is I.
- [52:09]
Yeah, yeah. Do so fast from social media. Shut the television off. There's some of those things. But particularly when it comes to food, it. This goes hand in hand with the stuff we were talking about earlier. When it comes to discipline.
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The. The spiritual discipline of fasting and coupling it with. With prayer is so important, and it's something that's so often overlooked by people because it takes a tremendous amount of willpower.
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A
Yeah, absolutely. You know, Stephen, in his church, they did a, like a 40 day fast. It was like different. All different types. And he decided to do liquid only. But, like, homeboy was still consuming all the calories. He was literally like making like.
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Like a loaded potato soup and blending it and then just drinking it. So it wasn't. He wasn't fasting from calories, but his whole thing was. He was like, it was gonna be liquid only. So denying the desire of the flesh to actually chew and eat like a steak or eat food.
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B
Right.
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A
So he did a bunch of protein shakes and then he was getting creative with like, okay, hey, I can do a loaded potato soup and soup and blend it so I don't have to chew anything. And just drink it like a shake. Yeah. That's really, really smart because he was still consuming his calories, but I always thought that I was like, all right, dude, 40 days of that. That's kind of crazy, man. Yeah. And I know. I can't remember what version his wife did, but again, 40 days of just giving up something is. Is pretty cool.
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B
Yeah.
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A
We.
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B
We've got a. Well, one of my. My good friends, Dr. Respis, he. He does every few years, he'll do a 40 day fast. That is. He permits himself like one cup of broth per day.
- [53:54]
A
That's impressive.
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B
But like, outside of that, it's. It's water and maybe some juice in the morning.
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A
Marcus Lutrell just did a 40 day water only fast.
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B
Yeah, like it's. It's possible.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But the. And it's not.
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A
Well, he did it because he's like, I guess I. I need to get connected with him. Yeah.
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But he, you know, his wife's been sharing like the kind of the journey of it. I mean, dude, he got saved. Yeah. He quit drinking, bro. He looks like a completely new man.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Which is awesome.
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B
Yeah. And it's. It's been crazy to, you know, see and hear some of. Of those stories recently that have. Have come out from a lot of guys in your community. Yeah, right. You know, Sean Ryan. Recently within. When. The past little bit. And yeah, you know, he's having a really interesting journey and experience. And then so is. So is Marcus. And man, what. I. I can't think of the guy's name. I think it might. Dude, I'm gonna butcher it. But he's. He was just recently on Joe Rogan. Got a giant red beard.
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A
Seal.
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B
Yeah, yeah. Yep.
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A
Crazy endurance runner.
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B
Yeah.
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And just absolute stud.
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A
Oh, I can see his name. Chad Wright.
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B
Yeah. Yeah, there you go. So that guy Chad is absolutely.
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Just on fire and is. Is really, really well spoken about it. Ben Wallach is another one.
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A
Yeah. Yeah. Chad had a really good episode on Andy Frisella. Oh, really? A couple years ago, dude, it was awesome.
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B
Really awesome. All right, I'll have to go back and listen to that. But yeah, just the. The idea of fasting as a discipline is one of those things that. That kind of gets lost, but it is one that if you start to do it and to. To make it a point to say, hey, you know what, once a quarter I'm gonna fast and then, you know, I'm gonna start and then stop whenever I feel like, you know, whether it's the Holy spirit, you know, and says hey, you know what? This is good. Or whenever you're getting ready for a big decision is another great time to begin that practice. But we've always done, like, 1, 3, 7, 21, and 40 have always kind of been those numbers.
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A
I did one.
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Just the other day.
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B
Yeah.
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A
It just was, like, heavy on my heart. And I was like, okay. And so it was just a little 24 hour, like, nothing big originally. I was like, all right, cool. I'll do. Maybe I'll do three. But I. I hadn't made a decision yet. I just wasn't, like, really leaning either way. I just knew if, at a minimum, I need to really focus on hearing from the Lord tomorrow. And so when I woke up, I.
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Just did not eat anything. And of course, it's like when a man is, like, cooking all this, like, good breakfast and stuff. Like, you gotta be kidding me right now.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But I also.
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B
Did pancakes show up?
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A
Tell her I was going to. Right. And then I was like. She's like, hey, you want some? And I was like, no. I was like, I'm good. I was like, I'm gonna fast today. She's like, oh, okay. She's like, how. How long? And I was like, I don't know. I'm not sure yet. Okay. And then.
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That evening when, you know, I'd already worked through a lot of stuff, and I was like, okay, cool. I. I think I'm where I need to be. I'm good. Like. And so I ate, like, a really light. I think I had bone broth, actually. I had, like, two things of bone broth. And I was like, all right, I'm good. Going to bed.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And then the next day, I just ate normal and ready to roll.
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B
Yeah. So I would. My biggest suggestion on that is do it. Try it out. Yeah, yeah.
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A
Start. Start. Small pick. You know, dude, anybody. Anybody. Anybody who's listening to our podcast can go 24 hours without food.
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B
Yep. You can drink plenty of water.
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A
But, yeah, drink water with some, you know, electrolytes. Add a little hydration packet into it.
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B
Yeah.
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A
A little bit of salt maybe, if you're really concerned.
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B
I mean, if you're hitting those jackal hydrates, you're.
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A
Oh, you're good. You're good.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. And when I did that 21 day fast, I was also working out every day and traveling and speaking and being a dad and being a husband. It's very doable, doing everything.
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B
Yeah.
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A
So anyways, that's a good question. I like that.
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B
Yeah.
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A
I think it would be cool to dive deeper into that one for sure.
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B
Yeah, maybe when, when Tyron comes back on, we can, we can hit him up for. Yeah, for that. So, dude, we've. We've covered a lot of ground on this one.
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A
Yeah, we have.
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B
Yeah. I think this is a good spot to start rapping for 1:15 and to tell everybody, hey, thanks so much. Because episodes like this, y' all are the driving force behind him. It's your questions that make these episodes happen. So if you've got questions for us, go check us out at the. Or @jp Dennell podcast on Instagram, @jpdonell, or @Lucas Pinkard and. And drop us a question on any of those. You can drop us a question in the comments on this YouTube video as well. Or if you're over on Spotify, go do that. Because the number one question on Spotify remains, when is BTF Tony coming on the show?
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Which just cracks me up because we've addressed it a few times and yet still it. It comes back to that. So drop us a line because we are looking at all of those. So thank you guys for, for liking, for subscribing, for dropping lines in for the reviews. They've been super encouraging. And those five star reviews and those written reviews really do help the podcast out quite a bit in the algorithm. And make sure that you tell a friend if this has been something that has encouraged you, make sure that you also go check out Echelonfront. JP mentioned he is leaving for the muster. Muster 023 is in Orlando. Our buddy Ethan Bernard is going to be there. He's stoked about it. He and I were kind of chatting back and forth. He's like, what should I expect? I was like, don't expect anything. Go in with absolutely no expectations and then the next day bring a head wrap so that your mind is not blown by what you. He just kind of chuckles like, no, seriously, just go in with a. With an open mind, ready to learn. And if you do that, you're. You're going to be absolutely blown away by the stuff that you get there. Something I would also suggest whenever you pick up the books, extreme ownership, dichotomy of leadership, the need to lead, keep those expectations at a. At a minimum. Because the more you go in determining predetermining what you're going to get, the less lesson you are going to get out of it. So I would just suggest grab a pen, grab a highlighter, sit down with them and check them out. If you want to get further into your leadership journey, go check out that Extreme Ownership Online Academy with the. The Monday calls with the online classes that you can sign up for some of the certifications and stuff that you can get and the new partnership that they've got going on with the university so you can get your. Your master's level in leadership, probably partnering with. With Echelon Front. There's some really cool stuff going on there. So make sure that you check all of that stuff out. Once you get that done, go head over to Jesus and Jiu Jitsu usa. You know, we talked a little bit about Jesus in or we talked a little bit about Jiu Jitsu, what martial arts you would do if you couldn't do it. But the fact of the matter is you can do Jiu Jitsu and so you should be. We've got an open mat coming up here in the DFW area. We've got our. Our events calendar is about to be updated with all of the folks who are locked in there might be. There might be a guy who speaks, I don't know, maybe six plus languages coming in in. In February. He might be a guy who's been training with jocko since the 90s, somebody who's. Who's been at immersion camp a time or two. Maybe he's got a few pro fights under his belt. He could be coming to grace us with his presence.
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A
What date is that?
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B
In February. He sent a text message that said, I'm 80% sure it will be this day, so we'll. As soon as we get more than 80, which is, you know, pretty. I think that's a good commitment from a guy who's a Jiu Jitsu instructor. If you can get 80% commitment from somebody that's that far out. Yes, that's good. But, but yeah, you could put it on your list or something. And. Yeah, so go check out the events as they're.
- [62:26]
A
I have a feeling this is gonna be a nogi that.
- [62:29]
B
I don't.
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A
I don't know.
- [62:30]
B
He. He's.
- [62:32]
A
I mean, he's a master in the ghee and no gi. Yeah, but the primary thing that everyone wants him to teach is usually something that you're doing no GI with.
- [62:41]
B
Yeah, we'll. We'll find out and so will you as soon as all of those things. So make sure that you go check out Jesus and Jiu Jitsu USA.com.
- [62:48]
A
If you think you know who it is, leave a comment.
- [62:50]
B
Yeah, so check that out. We've got some awesome stuff coming up in the first quarter. We've got a podcast. There's a lot of cool resources and discipleship material and things like that that are coming down the pike. If you need some skincare products, go check out LittleCattle Co and look at all the beef tallow products that they've got. The after sun care, the anti itch cream. And you know, it's winter months in parts of the country. Like not in Texas. We don't, we don't have winter, we have fake fall, we have real fall and then we have nine months of summer. So if it's, if it's getting cold where you're at, then you know that dry skin is not a good thing for you to have in the cold. So go check out the beef tallow products there in order to keep your skin moisturized and keep your honey snuggling up close to you during these, these sweet winter months. If you need apparel printing, go check out on the Path. They can do your logos, they can do your brands. All of your apparel printing needs can be handled by those folks over at on the Path Printing. And then you know, you've done your jiu jitsu, now it's time to get up on that pugitsu. Go check out at Bruiser Arms. They've got custom gear packages. That is JP Leif and Jocko. They do custom training down in the dripping spring area. It's an awesome facility. The gear packages they put together are so, so sweet. And I'm still waiting on my prototype pack which has not been promised to me, but I'm still silently pushing for. And finally, not so silently, actually, I've mouthed out about that quite a bit.
- [64:16]
A
It's a weird way to be silent. Talking about it all the time.
- [64:18]
B
It's my favorite way to be silent.
- [64:20]
A
Cool.
- [64:20]
B
Yeah, I'm silent like my 3 year old is silent like well, actually.
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Yep. Yeah. This. Lead by example, right? Don't shut up about it. Just keep pushing until maybe it'll happen. Lastly, thanks to the folks over at Origin and Jocko Fuel, if you have not gone to check out the incredible deals that they've got going on over there, you need to do it. They've got, got the, the Heritage pants now the Heritage jeans, which are 100 cotton. Very, very cool that they've put those out. The flannel is coming back. They've announced that that's actually happening.
- [64:51]
A
So I did not get one last year in time. I need to order that.
- [64:55]
B
Yes, you, you know what, you should talk to some people. I think, you know, a few folks up there that might be able to make that happen. But go check it out. Get on the list for those things. They're doing some sweet deals on their Jiu jitsu gear right now as well. Not just for Black Friday. If you miss those deals, if you miss the Cyber Monday deals, go check out the stuff that they've got going on because they've got some holiday specials that are running. The deals may not be as good, but they're still awesome. And it's supporting 100%.
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American made stuff. They said manufacturing in the USA was dead and it's not. Pete. Amanda Roberts resurrected it. So go check it out. And at Jocko Fuel, we talked about it a little bit. Go use that code. JP Pod 20. Save 20% on everything that you got. Clean fuel, the hydrates and, and the creatine, which right now is one of the best things that you can get for yourself. There's so many studies that are out there on it. We've talked about it ad nauseam. But go check it out. Jp, you got any final thoughts for us, man?
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A
Yeah. One.
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Our boy Rob Jones's book is out. What? It's out. His memoir, put your Legs on is now available on Amazon. Let's freaking go. Come on, go order the book now. I know we talked about Dave's book and a lot of people have ordered it and I'm super thankful. You should order the need to lead if you haven't gotten it yet.
- [66:16]
It's incredible book. I am so excited. I've been like waiting to talk about it to the very end. I hope people are still here listening. But yes, Rob Jones, his book Put yout Legs on is now available on Amazon.
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B
Look at that, there's a Jaco Publishing there in the back. That's so cool.
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A
Yeah, I love what they said. It's out. Rob Jones memoir, put your legs on is now available on Amazon. When an IED blast in Afghanistan took both of his legs, it could have taken everything else. His purpose, his identity, his will to go on. It didn't. Instead, Rob rose to meet the moment to survive recovery live. This is his story.
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B
Top new. It's the number one new release right now.
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A
This is his story.
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B
Pretty cool.
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A
The surgeries, the hallucinations, the brutal recovery, and the slow determined steps not just to become whole again, but to excel. Relearning how to walk. Competing as a Paralympic rower for Team USA Cycling Across America, running 31 marathons in 31 days. Which if you been listening to this podcast for a while, hopefully you listened to his episode, which was awesome. Told with honesty, grit, and engaging humor. This is a memoir about resilience, purpose, and a warrior spirit that refuses to quit. Rob Jones survived an explosion. This is the story of how he's chosen to live. I think that alone, just right there, is a good reminder for all of us to go out there to do the work that's needed in our lives, to put in the effort to build our legacy and to never settle. This has been the JP Donnell podcast, episode 115.