Master Your Time, Master Your Life - Productivity Secrets for Winners | JP Dinnell Podcast 074

Summary

JP Dinnell Podcast 074 Summary

Episode Title: Master Your Time, Master Your Life – Productivity Secrets for Winners
Hosts: JP Dinnell, Lucas Pinckard
Release Date: February 21, 2025

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Overview

This episode centers around mastering time management, building productive habits, and finding the right balance between discipline and flexibility. JP and Lucas dive deep into questions about setting routines—especially for kids—punctuality in personal and professional contexts, and the broader importance of honest self-assessment using tools like the 360 survey. The conversation is practical, authentic, and reflects JP’s unique perspective from his military background and leadership training with Echelon Front.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Reflecting on a Transformational Event (Jesus in Jiu Jitsu)

• JP and Lucas begin by celebrating the success of a recent Jesus in Jiu Jitsu event, highlighting the blend of physical training and spiritual growth (00:33 – 02:14).
• Key moment: Two salvations and around ten rededications, with attendees moved to tears by shared testimonies and prayers.

2. Podcast Format and Listener Engagement

• The hosts discuss potentially adjusting their release schedule to include shorter, 30-minute rapid-fire Q&A episodes, in response to listener feedback and engagement trends (02:14 – 03:38).

3. Teaching Kids Time Management

• The core listener question: “How do you get your kids to remember to check what time it is and plan their day?” (03:38 – 03:59)
• JP’s approach:
  • Teach awareness through storytelling, explanation, and consistent application.
  • Build new habits by hands-on training (e.g., reminding his son Aiden to stay off the phone and observe surroundings while learning to drive).
  • Quote (JP, 04:25): "You are creating a new habit to change their tendencies...you have to create habits that help them change their tendencies."
• Stresses the importance of parents facilitating new habits and routines consistently.

4. The Negotiability of Punctuality

• Lucas asks about how “negotiable” punctuality should be (06:03 – 06:16).
• JP’s honest struggle: Admits punctuality is important but acknowledges that with a busy life, flexibility is sometimes necessary.
• Proposes communication as key; be clear and specific, use “read-backs” (having the other person repeat details to confirm).
• Quote (JP, 08:56): "From that point on, I recognized I need to be very clear and have them repeat it back to me."

5. Discipline vs Rigidity

• Discussion of the stereotype that military operators are rigid about time and routines, especially stemming from media portrayals (15:24 – 16:30).
• JP references Jocko Willink’s 'Dichotomy of Leadership': Discipline is essential, but rigidity can be counterproductive.
• Quote (JP, 16:38): "There was a time in my life I was super rigid...that's how I had to operate for a while. But you can take it too far."
• In real SEAL life, moments “down to the second” exist, but so do periods of normal flexibility and downtime.

6. Prioritizing Energy, Discipline, and Household Balance

• JP shares how highly disciplined operators sometimes have chaos in personal life due to limited capacity and focus (20:14 onward).
• Emphasizes self-awareness: "There's things in my life you think like, oh, that's gonna be dialed in...because I don't care."
• Importance of recognizing spouse's and family's priorities for true balance.

7. Parenting Styles: Discipline Without Drill Sergeant Methods

• Tactful discipline is better than running the home like boot camp.
• Quote (JP, 21:41): "You know, the people that act like boot camp instructors to their kids, you're not helping them up as much as you think you are."
• Instead, give consequences (e.g., bagging up uncleaned items), but don’t micromanage every detail.

8. The Value of 360 Surveys & Self-Assessment

• Introduction to the 360 survey concept (24:31 – 26:11; 32:43 – 34:37):
  • Take an all-aspects review: marriage, spiritual life, parenting, finances, health, fitness.
  • Echelon Front uses an assessment making it “very difficult to be perfect” to promote honest self-reflection.
  • Important to have peer feedback as well as self-assessment.

9. Diet, Fitness, and Coaching

• JP discusses working with nutrition and fitness coaches to stay accountable and improve health (26:11 – 29:13).
• Quote (JP, 28:14): "I'm not too worried about the scale either. As long as I can get my cardio back and where I'm feeling good."
• Advocates for self-imposed accountability and occasionally hiring coaches for critical areas.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “You are creating a new habit to change their tendencies.”
  — JP, on teaching kids time management (04:25)

• “If their tendencies are to be late...you have to create habits that help them change their tendencies.”
  — JP (04:25)

• “I need to be very clear and have them repeat it back to me.”
  — JP, on punctuality and clear communication (08:56)

• “Discipline but not rigid.”
  — JP, paraphrasing Jocko Willink (16:38)

• “There was a long time in my life I was super rigid...you can take it too far.”
  — JP (16:38)

• “There's a balance there...the people that act like boot camp instructors to their kids, you're not helping them as much as you think you are.”
  — JP (21:41)

• “Self-imposed accountability is extremely powerful.”
  — JP (34:37)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Segment | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 00:33–02:14| Recap of Jesus in Jiu Jitsu & community impact | | 03:38 | Listener question: Teaching kids time management | | 06:03 | Is punctuality negotiable? | | 09:28 | Communication strategies for punctuality | | 15:24 | Stereotypes: SEAL rigidity in life | | 16:30–17:54| Real SEAL vs. public perception; discipline/rigidity| | 20:14 | Personal discipline and life priorities | | 21:41 | Discipline in parenting | | 24:31–26:11| 360 survey concept explained | | 26:11–29:13| Diet, coaching, and accountability | | 32:43 | Final thoughts on 360 assessments/self-coaching | | 34:37 | Importance of self-imposed accountability |

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Tone, Style, and Engagement

The episode is conversational, practical, a bit self-deprecating, and full of actionable anecdotes. JP and Lucas blend humor and vulnerability as they unpack real-life challenges around time, over-commitment, and parental influence. They share personal stories from SEAL training, their families, and ministry to highlight their points.

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Summary Takeaways

• True productivity comes from combining discipline with flexibility, not rigidity.
• New habits (for kids or otherwise) are created through consistent example, storytelling, and hands-on application.
• Punctuality is important, but must be accompanied by clear, transparent communication and a willingness to adapt.
• Honest, 360-degree self-assessment—ideally involving peer feedback—is critical to personal growth.
• Coaching and accountability—whether self-imposed or external—are key for sustained improvement.
• Don’t waste leadership energy micromanaging unimportant things, and always seek balance in discipline for yourself and your family.

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For those seeking tangible productivity and time management wisdom, this episode delivers a wealth of insights straight from the front lines—literally and figuratively—along with the humility and humor that make JP and Lucas’s approach both authentic and accessible.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning. This is the JP Donnell podcast, episode 74. I am JP Donnell and as always, I have Lucas with me. What's up, bud?

[B]

Deja vu, man.

[A]

I know, let's go.

[B]

This is what happens whenever your engineer, I. E. Myself, doesn't plug their own microphone in.

[A]

It happens. Yeah, well, I also did. I also, I did just have to. Also didn't say that. Hey, I'm not hearing you like I normally would hear you. I could tell something was off, but I was like, oh, maybe we're going for the soft spoken.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

You know, that's.

[B]

That's the Lucas that most people prefer is the soft spoken Lucas.

[A]

Well, we'll see about that. So we just got done with Jesus in Jiu Jitsu. Yeah, that was an awesome event. Victoria, incredible instruction. Yep. Very dynamic, very quick Jiu Jitsu game. You know, she's a two time world champion and done a lot of incredible things in Jiu Jitsu, but her ability to execute these moves and make them look simple is very impressive. And her ability to articulate that and teach it was. Was very impressive. So her doing the seminar was absolutely incredible. And then Titus sharing his testimony was awesome. We had two salvations around 10 rededications. It was awesome. Great, great day for the ministry. Lots of good roles. I had one of my buddies, Craig Dell, who I used to train with at another gym when we first moved out here, he came out of the vent. Haven't seen him in a while.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

And you know, we got a good round in. And so, I mean, it's been a while since Craig and I have had a round in and then got some, you know, really good hard rounds in today. And it was just a great day of ministry as well.

[B]

That's right.

[A]

Rededications. Like I said, a few rededications that actually came out to a handful of the guys that help out with Jesus and Jiu Jitsu and do pursuit and just, you know, just in tears, like happy tears of just like, hey, this what I've been working with and this is what I'm feeling. And you know, some sad tears as well. Like, hey, man, this is what I've been struggling with. Like, can you guys pray for me? Can you guys help me? And so, you know, we're able to pray with a good amount of people. Give up Bibles to people that need it. People got some of the new merch that Jesus and Jiu Jitsu has.

[B]

Oh, we got some new stickers that I didn't see until today. I know, yeah, yeah. Hot off the presses.

[A]

Yeah. So it was good. It was a good day. But you know, one of the things you and I talked about was, you know, just changing up the format of podcasts, you know, probably pushing it back to about one episode per month. Just kind of seeing if the engagement. I'm just kidding.

[B]

Making me nervous, man. I was like, well, I'm out of a job.

[A]

Well now wait, we have jobs here?

[B]

No.

[A]

Okay. But occasionally, not all the time, but occasionally doing a, you know, quick little 30 minute, ish episode of some rapid fire Q and A or just a subject that you and I discuss ahead of time that we want to dive into to see if we can have higher engagement, longer engagement. Because that, you know, one helps the podcast out and it just at the end of the day, like, I know some people, they just need, you know, they have a 30 minute commute or they're doing a 30 minute workout. And you know, the longer episodes that we have with guests, I love the longer Q and A sessions. I love those as well. But I think it's also important to just occasionally throw just a spice it up, you know. And it's been a while since we've done some of our YouTube exclusives, which those were right around 15, 20 minutes, but I don't know, that's what we're doing today. We'd love to hear your guys thoughts on if you like it, if it's, if it's not enough, if it's too much, if it's just right. Let us know in the, in the comments on YouTube and Instagram as well when this comes out. So. All right, bud, what do you want to open it up with?

[B]

So we got a question on YouTube that I think is, is pretty interesting and it came on the heels of our last episode, but I think it also, it's like touching a little bit on the episode that you did with your girls because everybody sees how just awesome those two young ladies are.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so this question comes from YouTube and it says, how do you get your kids to remember to check what time it is? For example, how do you get them to make. Or how do you make them plan their day? Yeah, we talked a lot on that last one about like, you know, when to tell the stories and what the right thing is to do the wrong thing is to do whenever you're engaging with somebody as far as like listening and then giving advice because you had this like constant clock going in your head of like, how much time do I have with this person? How do you get your kids to pay attention to that?

[A]

I think with your kids, it's just like adults, you share stories, why it's important. You know, like anytime you're trying to teach somebody a new skill set, you have to talk about it, you have to explain it, you have to walk them through it. If you can share stories, that's very impactful. If you can have some sort of hands on application, some sort of hands on training that applies to. To whatever it is that you're trying to work through that's important and then just being consistent with it. The thing that you have to understand is you are trying to create a new habit. So you have to. I'm sorry, you are creating a new habit to change their tendencies. And if their tendencies are to be late and to never know what time it is and to not be aware of these things, well, you have to create habits that helps them change their tendencies to. Like when Aiden was getting ready to drive and we were working through it and we would tell him like, hey, get off your phone. When we're driving around, like, no phone. You need to be looking around, looking at streets, memorizing streets, knowing where you're at so that you have awareness. It's very important for you to have awareness. And so. And part of that was explaining to him like, hey, your phone might not work one time, or, hey, what if happens if your phone is dead or if your phone is broken? You need to be able to know where you're at. You need to be able to navigate back home or to a location. And it's important that you have awareness of these things. And so it's just also us as parents understanding that we had to help facilitate new habits to change those tendencies.

[B]

Yeah. And like the. The thing we've come into contact with, I think more than anything when we've talked about time is punctuality.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So how negotiable is punctuality? And maybe when is punctuality a negotiable thing?

[A]

I mean, I know it's important, but it's one of the things I struggle with because I have so many things going on and things shift. And you know, even like coming here, I was like, all right, cool, awesome. Hey, I'll see. I'm leaving. And then as I'm leaving, literally got stopped by seven people. And I'm like, I'm having this anxiety on the inside. I'm like, I gotta go. Like, Lucas is waiting on me. But then I also know people invested their time to come to Jesus and Jiu Jitsu to talk to us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so what I should have done is text. He's like, hey bud, I'm getting ready to leave. I'll call you from my car.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So then you would have known, oh, he's eight minutes away instead of the 20 plus minutes that it took ME to get here because it took me forever to get out of there. And I'm talking. Then also I was like, oh, I got to help the guys take stuff out of the vehicles because I can't just be rolling out while they're all unloading stuff. So I mean, punctuality is important. Um, but there are things that like, I think you should be flexible with your timeframes. 100. So what I do when, with my clients, when I'm telling them like, okay, hey, we started 8am and I'm always like 45 minutes to an hour beforehand is getting there, like from whatever the start time is now, not including like, hey, we're starting at 7 for breakfast and then you're going to start at 8am I'm not showing up at 6. I'm going to be there right around when breakfast starts up because I, I only need an hour to get set up, to check out stuff and to be good to go. It does not take us long to get set up.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I do that in case there's an issue because then that gives us the freedom and the flexibility to work through it. For me, that's a non negotiable, like I'm not showing up 5, 10, 15 minutes beforehand.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Not going to happen and so forth. For me, what I, what I found is I was always like, all right, hey, I'll be there at 7:00am maybe 7:15. And one time the guy only heard 7:00am well, the problem is I did not do a read back and in my mind I'm like, cool, as long as I'm there between 7 and 7:15, we're good. Because I said 7 or 7:15. Yeah, he only heard 7am I didn't have him repeated back to me. Didn't do a read back. And I get a text message at 7:5, like, hey man, are you on your way? You're late. Everything good? I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm on my way. He's like. And he was like irritated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

When I got there he was still irritated. And I was like, hey man, sorry. I was like, I should have been, I should have been a lot more clear between 7, 7:15. You know, 45 minutes is plenty of time. You know, I know it. And he. It took him a while to, like, get over it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And, hey, I'm speaking at his event. He was. In his mind, we need to be there at least seven, you know, to get set up, hang out, talk through stuff. And so from. From that point on, recognize, like, oh, I need to be very clear and have them repeat it back to me. So I'll always tell them, like, hey, I'll be there about 45 minutes to an hour. I always say 45 minutes first to an hour instead of an hour to 45. I'm always like, I'll be 45 minutes to an hour ahead of time. So since we are starting at 8am I'll be there at the latest. 7:15.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Maybe 7am, depending on traffic and how long it takes me to, you know, get there, depending if I'm driving or if the venue's in the same room. So I've. I've been very specific with my communication on that. And just so that they understand, like, we have some flexibility.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think that could apply to your question as well. Just understanding, like, there's a time for flexibility. Like, hey, like, if we're having dinner and I'm like, hey, Lucas, you and your family coming over, hey, anytime after three, we're gonna eat at five. But we got. You know, it's also kind of like, hey, bro, we got stuff to do at the house as a family, but anytime after three, you know, if you want to show up. Because we've had, like, where people are coming over to hang out for his family, and it's like, I mean, we're eating dinner, and we got the text at 11, like, hey, we're on our way. And, like, like, huh. Okay.

[B]

That's like, kind of nine hours too late, right?

[A]

No, no. I mean, in the morning.

[B]

Oh, good grief.

[A]

So six hours ahead of time showing up. And I was in. Amanda and I were like, okay, cool. And I'm like, babe, who cares? Like, you've got stuff to go do. Go do those things. Yeah, I'll stay here. And then when I have to go do my things, they can hang out. I mean, they're showing up six hours early, right?

[B]

Yeah. It's.

[A]

Which I love my friends, but it's also kind of like, unless you're driving in a hard day.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, don't show up.

[B]

You're driving in from Mississippi. Like, six hours is not that bad.

[A]

Yeah, right. Yeah. But so with. The only reason why I say that is we've been Very specific on that is like, hey, anytime after 3pm we're gonna eat around 5. But anytime after 3, come hang out. You know, relax. You want to jump in the pool, you want to help, like, cook, you want to just sit on the couch, you want to watch a movie, you want to play some cards. Like, hey, anytime after 3:00pm we're good.

[B]

Yeah. I do think it's an important thing to bring to light because people have a tendency to think, in particular that you guys who were part of the seals teams are super rigid. And, like, we have.

[A]

Jocko is. I've heard, bought a house seven houses away from the one that was being remodeled so nothing would change in his life.

[B]

Good for him. The guy likes routines, right?

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He has all the good traits of the tism I always joke with him about. I'm like, bro, you got all the good parts.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. But this is someone's like, did you.

[A]

Really say that to him? I'm like, yes. Am I wrong? It's a superpower.

[B]

It is.

[A]

This is not being disrespectful. We just talked about this. Aiden was talking about how he has asperger's. I was like, you. But you knew this. He goes, I've known my whole life. You know, he's just so like, boom, boom. I was like, oh, your mom and I were gonna have a conversation with you. He goes, no, I have none. I'm like, well, you know, it's a superpower. He goes, yeah.

[B]

Like, yeah, so what, dad? Co.

[A]

It was. We were actually at pursuit. Aiden went to pursuit this last weekend, and so do one of my best friends, Dane, and one of their best friends, Kevin. Like, it was awesome. And so the three of us were all driving back together, and it came up.

[B]

And he drops that on you.

[A]

And he just said, like, bro, I'm sitting there. And like, so Dane knows, right? You know, like, Dane and his wife Rebecca have been our best friends for a very long time. They've known the kids have grown up. You know what I mean? Like, I had dream. I've had dreams for every one of their kids. Oh, wow. Like prophetic dreams that Rebecca was pregnant for every single one of their three kids. I did the same thing with Amanda and Steve Little. That's Stephen Little. Anyways, so Dane, you know, Aiden very, very long time. And so does Kevin. Kevin actually was the only person Amanda would let touch her belly when she was pregnant with him. Oh, really? Yeah. So Amanda and Kevin's wife Janet are best friends. They grew together. They all Went to high school together. They all worked. Anyways, so both of these guys have been in the picture a very, very long time for a. When Aiden said that, I look over and Dane kind of was just like doing like the half look at me, and then I look in the mirror, mirror, and Kevin kind of just was like, looking at me. We're just navigating this, and it was so funny. He was just so.

[B]

Just matter of fact.

[A]

Well, yeah, that's part of it. And, you know, I was just like, you know, it's like a superpower, man. Like, it's, you know, his ability just to focus in on stuff and listen stuff and. Anyways, but it's just pretty cool the way he said it. So it's funny. We're talking.

[B]

You're the idiot.

[A]

Yeah. Yep. You're right. I'm an idiot. It's awesome. We're talking about this because he is very rigid on things, except for time. Really, bro. That is one of the main friction points Amanda and I have really. With getting him to, like, you know, now he's. If it matters to him, 100%. But anything that's not like a top priority homeboy does not give one care about the timeframe for that.

[B]

Couldn't care less.

[A]

Which I also kind of envy.

[B]

Yeah. In some regards, for sure.

[A]

So anyways, you were saying military. Yes.

[B]

There's a lot of people who think that you guys are super rigid with. With all those things, but I'm. What I've come to find out is that there. There are instances where flexibility is kind of built in and understood.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Right. Because like, for us, you know, hey, we're gonna do the podcast, you know, in kind of this timeframe. And so I'm coming after this thing then. I know. All right, so it could be. The drive is 20 minutes. If he's leaving now, it could be 20 minutes. But if, you know, five people catch him on the way out, could be an hour before he's here. So I'm gonna get stuff set up. He's gonna get here. When he gets here, we're gonna record and whatever. There are a lot of people, myself included, at the very beginning that, you know, I've got the impression because I played the, you know, those Rainbow Six games, You know, do you ever read any Tom Clancy novels? You know who I'm talking about?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

Okay. Right. So there's a bunch of games that are based off of, you know, the rainbow 16 from the tom Clancy novels.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And whenever you create the mission, like, you spend more time creating the mission on these games than you do actually executing it. And it's because, you know, they got all these consultants and they're like, no, this is how it really is. They actually spend more time planning the mission than executing it. You know, you spend two hours planning a five minute mission and maybe it happens, maybe it doesn't. Right.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So anyway, you've gotta, you gotta set your rendezvous points and your times and all of that. They're like, okay, this is gonna be two minutes and then after this, like if this other team's behind, you gotta set your contingency plans. And yeah, that is what most people's exposure to your world is, is like video games or like seeing things like that in the movies or reading them. And so the projection is that like, oh no, these guys are to the minute with everything 100% because that's how they operate in the field. And so that's what it's going to be like at dinner. It's the second course. The meal doesn't come five minutes later. You know, 10 minutes past. Then it's going to be a. I think.

[A]

But that's why Jock on Life wrote a book called Dichotomy of Leadership.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Chapters is called discipline but not rigid.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because there was a long time in my life I was super rigid on stuff toward the point because that's how I, that's how I kind of had to operate for a while.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And hey, that's good. You know, it's just like when people decide to stop drinking, they get super rigid on that. And I think that's a great thing. Yeah. But you can, you can take it too far. And if you were to see like legitimate like a day in the life of us in the SEAL teams, you'd be like, oh, this is not what I think it is.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But there's a time and place, there are times where it's like down to the second where things have to be aligned and executed at the right time.

[B]

So I do think that that's. It's funny that people automatically assume that that's the case and every time you know, we've had a guest on, from, from the teams or, or any, you know, like when we had Tony on that, the application to like mission ready status and you know, when, when the mission is on versus the. Hey, what are you doing? I'm going to go backpack in the woods for a few days. Yeah. How many days? I don't know until I get back. Like there's kind of this also like this balance of, of that and the dichotomy of that is pretty cool.

[A]

There is, as you're saying that I just. One of the things I used to love that we do in the teams in training and you do it overseas as well, but we would do it in training so we could be ready over there was like these, you know, command execution shots. Like, you know, so you simulate people on the outside of the target, Right. So you have the security force on the outside of the target. So, well, you need to like, you know, so you have all the snipers and it's like, okay, hey, you assign who's shooting who. And then, you know, once those shots go down, then you're going up, setting the breach and you're blowing the front door, back door. Right. And so it would be like, you'd be like, three, two, one, execute, execute, execute. And it's just like, you're hitting those marks is like, all right, shots taken, breaches, bomb, boom, boom, boom, boom. And so it's like, it was like really cool to do those things in training. And for them to be just down to the second, it was always fun.

[B]

How often does that get to happen in the field? I know we're probably pushing like right up against our half hour. Yeah. How often does that happen in the field where. Where you have the luxury of it being down to the second?

[A]

So in Ramadi, there's a few times that Stoner Benny and I and a few of the other guys, we were like, all right, we're identifying who we were going to shoot. It was like, three, two, one, one, mark. And you know it's three. It's not on one, it's three, two, one, mark. On that one, you're pulling out that slack. And to hear four guns go off the same time and see four bodies drop.

[B]

That'S awesome.

[A]

It's pro. It's really cool. And you know, you do those things in training.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was just.

[B]

Yeah, because if one guy's off, it ruins it for everybody.

[A]

Yeah. And that happens. Dude, dudes miss their shots. Yeah, dude, I missed a shot. I've missed, I missed a handful of shots overseas in combat. Now my follow up shots. Thank God, on the money. Hit the mark.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And that's, I do think that's, that's something that is, is weird when you think about it. Just the, the level of execution that is there in those, those mission ready phases. And maybe that's kind of, you know, the same thing when people are like just really dialed in. Whenever it's game time or when they're in competition or whatever. And then when they're not, that they're, you know, life's. Life's just regular. Remembering that you guys have, like, regular life and that there are different systems for things like punctuality, I think is a big thing.

[A]

Dude. I know dudes that were, like, super dialed in on everything they did in the SEAL teams and their personal life was like a train wreck, bro. And it was just funny because you're like, oh, that's where all your energy goes. Because the other thing is, like, everyone only has so much energy and focus that they can give. I'm not making excuses for people, but there's things in my life you think like, oh, that's gonna be dialed in. And you're like, bro, yeah. Like, why is this not clean and organized? And I'm like, because I don't care. Like, I literally do not care. What I've been doing is getting better at those things because I recognize, okay, I can build my capacity. I can be a little more dialed in. I can be a little more focused. Ultimately, it's discipline, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Those things I say, I don't care. It's just. It's just a lack of discipline and I don't make them a priority. What I do need to be better at is understanding. Oh, these things are a priority to my wife.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So I had a pile of stuff next to my nightstand in my room for my backpacking trip in September. I didn't care that it was there. Like, that doesn't bother me.

[B]

It doesn't affect your day to day at all.

[A]

It bothers my wife.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That was her Valentine's Day. I cleaned all that up. She didn't say one thing. It was good. But yeah. You know, I. I don't know. Like, I think it's good to find balance. I do. Obviously, I'm not saying, like, be sloppy, lazy. Yeah. And be undisciplined, but there's a balance there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know the people that act like boot camp instructors to their kids, you're not. You're not helping them up as much as you think you are. No. Good. Now, helping them understand discipline.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And structure is important, but if you're doing room inspections with your kids, I just don't think long term that's going to be as beneficial as you think.

[B]

Yeah. And it's going to put.

[A]

I might be wrong. That's just my perspective.

[B]

I mean, it's kind of.

[A]

My perspective is flawed. I also know that.

[B]

So I Know some folks that. That are like that. And one of the things that's common amongst those parents is how taxing it is for them to feel like they have to do that because they've done it so often.

[A]

Yeah. You know, Cody has a theory on this. He's like, why am I going to waste leadership capital on these things with my kids?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because there's a lot of other things that are super important. He goes, if my kid wants. Wants to have a dirty room, okay. He'll understand the value of having cleaned room when he needs to be cleaned. But there's also the aspect of, like, hey, when I ask you to do something, if you don't do it, there are consequences. And we've done this with our kids. Hey, you guys need to clean up. We have things. Blah, blah, blah. And if they don't do it, we start putting stuff in trash bags.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

I don't care what it is.

[B]

Yeah. Like, it's gotta go.

[A]

You didn't listen to your mom. Like, I go into. Like, if you disrespect my wife and you don't not listen to your mom and you give her attitude with this amazing lifestyle that you have because of everything your mom does to allow me to travel and do what I do at Echelon Front. Hey, I could. I could also say no to Echelon Front and be home every single day. And we're not gonna have the lifestyle we have. I'm not gonna be able to find anything that allows me to do what we do. Nothing. You know? So, hey, when your mom asks you to do these things, you'll see me. Like, I mean, there's balance. Obviously, I'm not yelling at my kids, but I'll go in and be like, hey, sit down. We're gonna. We're gonna have a conversation. And, you know, and then Amanda comes in because she'll come in and be, like, a little hard on them. I'm like, no, they're disrespecting you. And then there's other times that she's getting onto them and I'm not helping at all. And she's like, hey, a little bit of help. I'm like, I think you're doing fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then what I realized that is not ideal. She didn't think that was awesome.

[B]

Seems like you got it handled.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not being a jerk. I literally thought she was doing a great job. How to handle. What I failed to recognize is she just wanted a little support.

[B]

Yeah. So, yeah, it's. It's so weird marriage. I'm telling you, man, it's. It's the great adventure. It really is. So second question, and it piggybacks off of the way we ended our previous episode. What's a 360 survey? We've talked about it a few times. We got folks that are curious about 360 surveys, whether or not they're.

[A]

We're going to do a longer episode on this, but let's give them.

[B]

Let's.

[A]

Yeah, let's give them a little header on it.

[B]

Yeah. What is the 360 survey? And then we'll dive into its benefits and stuff like that.

[A]

360, you're looking at all aspects of your life. You need to look at your marriage, you need to look at your spiritual walk, you need to look at your parenting, your finances, your health, your fitness, all those things.

[B]

Cool. So how do you do that at a company? Are you, like, creating a form that you send out for the 360 survey?

[A]

We have an assessment that we do national on front where you're able. It's like dead center green is perfect. And we have very unique verbiage in there that makes it very difficult for you to be there to show you, hey, you're not perfect.

[B]

You're not perfect. Yeah.

[A]

So we do it for the four laws of combat. We also have it for the mindsets of victory that we can do as well. Right. And. But it's just the understanding of, like, hey, where are you at when it comes to these things? Nice. And I think it's also really important that you have your peers do it of you so that you have the perspective that they have of you.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is very important. And you can ask, you can, you know, you can create specific questions based off of what you're actually doing, industry specific, what you're doing in regards to, like, the level that you're leading. And I think, you know, just. But if you're wanting to do an assessment of yourself, that's what I would look at yourself and say. Okay. You know, you know, finances, your physical health, your diet, which people are like, well, those are the same. No, they're not. Like, you know, you want those complement each other.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if your diet's dialed in, the physical thing comes to fruition, it comes to play. Not come to play. It comes into play.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it comes into play.

[A]

No, you get the results that you want. Like, you know what Jonathan and Anne do with firsted nutrition, when you're focused on your diet and you're being disciplined with Your diet and you're tracking and you're doing the pictures and you're weighing yourself and you're reporting like those. It's only going to make you better. And the thing I like about Jonathan Ann is I took a little bit of break of doing all the reporting stuff. I just had some stuff going on that I needed to focus on. You're aware, you know about it and we'll talk about that soon. I think the California trip, which was incredible. But. But I was still tracking when I was eating.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like, I got. I haven't got off the path. I'm just on the shoulder.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm still.

[B]

Are you. Do you find. Are you an overeater or an undereater whenever you're tracking your. Your stuff?

[A]

What day is it? What's going on in my life? Yeah, honestly, like, there are times where it's just like, oh, I've eaten once today. And then there's other times where I'm like, I need to go crush a large pizza right now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And probably get a banana split.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But. But that's what I love about what Jonathan and Ann do. Jonathan is probably. Bro. Jonathan is one of the most incredible coaches I've ever worked with. And because his ability to make you feel valued and cared is. Is incredible. It's just like Justin with 360 Fitness, who now works for us full time at Echelon Front, so he doesn't do that anymore as much. He's unreal. Like Aaron Archer from Double five. Who Archer performance. He' same way. Like, so these three guys that I get to work with, it's pretty freaking incredible. And you know, they're just very like, hey, cool. If you're able to do it, awesome. If not, like, let's make adjustments, but let's. Let's keep you just at least moving.

[B]

In the right direction.

[A]

In the right direction. If you're not in the lane that you want to be in. Cool. You're on the path. You're just not in the fast lane. But hey, slow lanes will get you there eventually. But when you're ready to get back in the fast lane, let's freaking go. And that's the analogy I have in my brain for what I'm doing with first in, like, I'm still going down the road.

[B]

Yeah. As long as you're not looking for the exit, you're in good sh.

[A]

Shape. Oh, no, I'm not do. I'm. Bro, that ain't happening again. Yeah, that is not happening. And it's Cool. Because I've been able to float around the. The 218 to 222 range. You know, this last year I got up to 248. That's not good. It's not good. Everybody was like, bro, you're so big and strong. I'm like, yeah, but I can't do anything for more than 15 seconds, you know, Jiu jitsu was horrible. I had no cardio. Yeah, I was strong and I was big, but it wasn't a good big.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know? And so just being in the 220 range, I feel so much better. And my goal this next year, I would like, man, if I could. If I could live in the 210 range, I think that would be cool. But I. I don't like. I'm not too worried about the scale either. As long as I can get my cardio back where it needs to be and just, like, where I'm feeling good. And, dude, I'll tell you what. Going from. From 238 to 218 and then floating around there, I'm sleeping better.

[B]

Oh, no doubt.

[A]

Night and day difference.

[B]

No doubt.

[A]

You know, fun fact, I actually don't stop breathing throughout the night. And a man is not worried about me dying.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

So that's cool.

[B]

That is pretty neat.

[A]

Yeah, it's fun.

[B]

It's a nifty little byproduct.

[A]

I'm not like your wife.

[B]

I'm not having stressful sleep, ripping my.

[A]

Hostage tape off, like, in a panic because I. I stopped breathing completely for a minute.

[B]

The good news is, well, at SEAL training, you can hold your breath for a really long time.

[A]

I can?

[B]

Yeah. Well done, you.

[A]

I don't think it's good for brain function anyways.

[B]

And that's why. That's why we use our nootropics, which are found in Jocko fuel.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So just a Jocko fuel before bed will help you if you get apnea. Yeah, this is this. These claims not.

[A]

Have been. Not approved by the house.

[B]

Claims have not been looked at by the fda.

[A]

Oh, yeah, because their recommendations are solid. They're about to be.

[B]

We'll see.

[A]

We're about to clean house.

[B]

We'll see.

[A]

Oh, I wonder how many people that just upset. I don't know. Why would cleaning house to get us back on the path to be healthier upset anybody?

[B]

Because we've politicized health, that's why.

[A]

Yeah, like so remove that. Do you really think. Are there. Do we have any listeners? Hey, if what I just said bothered you, I didn't mean it as an attack. I respect your opinion and I would actually like to talk with you about it. I would actually really like to discuss and learn your perspective and opinion as to why you think that we should not focus on being healthy as a nation.

[B]

Yeah, I do think it's the political thing, man. We've allowed so many things in this country to become political that we can't. You, you can't just make a statement about lifestyle and decision without it sounding like it has some sort of political alignment. And that's a dangerous spot to be. But I do think it's one of the reasons that, you know, the last, I don't know, 25 years, really, we've. We've allowed things to become so, so divisive is because now everything is a political statement. But I will say if the country does get healthier than doctor now is not going to have a job. And that little guy from My 600 pound life on TLC has just been blowing up my Instagram reels feed because he's, he's maybe. Even though I've never watched an episode of that show, it's. I'll spend two, three minutes a day just letting him chew up my time and talking to patients. And he's like, like, I think this is water weight. You think this is water weight? He's like, you're, you're lying to you, but you think you can lie to me? I'm a doctor. This is not water weight. Yep. Somebody's like, well, I can't get malnourished. And he's like, do you look malnourished? You're £500. You're not malnourished. You need to stay with the program or else we're not going to be able to do this. He's so, like, he really cares about his patients, but he's so matter of fact, that's. That to me.

[A]

We need that. We need that.

[B]

I agree. But you asked why wouldn't we want the nation to get healthier? If my doctor now reels go away, that would be. Would be very sad for me.

[A]

Don't worry. Somebody else with interesting reels. So to go back to circle back on the 360 and then we'll close this out and what we'll do is we'll do an actual deeper dive into this.

[B]

Yeah, I'm excited.

[A]

Here's the thing. You need to look at the things that affect your life. I'm giving suggestions. You know what matter to you if you're single. Okay. Obviously, assessing your marriage is not going to be applicable if you don't have kids. Assessing your kids, you know, how you parent is not going to be applicable. What matters to you? So the things that matter to me are my relationship with the Lord, Am I pursuing him, am I reading my Bible, am I spending time in prayer, am I praying? You know, spending time in praise and worship. Am I tithing? Those things are important. Tithing is an act of worship. That it's not a, that's not a like, oh, I have to do this. No, I get to do that because what I've been given is from the Lord. It's a gift. It's not mine. And here's the deal. You can't out give God. Try it. Try, try. If. Because if your heart posture is correct, you'll never be able to outgive God when it comes to the blessings that you have. And it's not always a financial return. What if you being obedient and with your, with your tithe helped you have a better relationship with your wife and your kids? Would that be worth it?

[B]

I would think yes.

[A]

You can't put a price like for you to have a good.

[B]

There's no price tag on that.

[A]

There is literally no price tag on that. And so, you know, that's important to me. My marriage is important. My kids are important. What I do at Echelon Front is important. My team, that elite is important. The other businesses that I'm slightly engaged with are important. Jiu jitsu is important. My health is important. What I eat is important. So those are things that I'm looking at that I'm going to assess and that's one of the things I need to be more disciplined with. And I also need to be doing these things with Amanda. So I think it's also important that you hire coaches. If you have the means to hire a coach, you should hire a coach for that accountability that you impose upon yourself. Because self imposed accountability is extremely powerful. So anything before we close it out.

[B]

Man, I don't care.

[A]

Moving on. I'm just kidding. I'm sorry.

[B]

I think that's perfect actually.

[A]

That was awesome. Awesome. Thank you for your.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Valuable.

[B]

Fantastic. You're welcome. All right, well, I'm finally getting credit for the actual input that I have on the channel.

[A]

Oh, man. All right, well, we want to thank all of our listeners. We appreciate everything that you guys do just by listening, sharing, subscribing, commenting. Make sure you're subscribed to us on YouTube. It helps us out a lot when you guys watch on YouTube, when you interact in YouTube, our boy Kirk, I was able to see him at Pursuit. Yeah. Was able to be a part of baptizing him. Yeah. He had the Jesus and Jiu Jitsu crew baptize him. So for me to be a part of that was really cool. Very cool. Yeah, it was absolutely amazing. If you want to follow us on social media, I am at jpdonelle. That's at jpd I N N E L L Lucas is at. Lucas Pinkard at L U C A S P I N C K A R D. Make sure you're also following Echelon Front on social media. We are at Echelon Front. And when you want to learn more about what we do at Echelon front, go to echelonfront.com click on the event. See future events that we have. Shop for some of the merch that we have. Check out Extreme Ownership Academy. And if you'd like to work with us at Echelon Front, you can also request that on the website. Someone from our team will reach out to you. You can also just send me a direct message. I'll help facilitate that as well. Look forward to seeing you guys at a future event or for one of our instructors. Come work with you. We have one of the individual FTX is coming up in March. It's going to be here in dfw. Super stoked. We have, I think a few spots left on that. It's probably going to sell out like I think all of them have. We're going edit that out anyways. Also check out Jesus and Jiu Jitsu I know we talked about. It's a ministry I'm a part of with Isaac, Josh, Stephen, Yourself.

[B]

Myself, not yourself, if you're listening.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you, Lucas. We. We have a podcast. Episodes come out every Tuesday doing different events like we just did today. We're actually gonna be heading up to the Boise, Idaho area.

[B]

That's what I've heard.

[A]

Yeah, man, that's gonna be good. Pretty cool. We start off with a free Jiu Jitsu seminar. Someone shares their testimony and then we open it up for some open mat for some good trade. I mean, I had some hard rounds today. It was awesome. My buddy Craig Dale, who's a black belt, he trains at Six Blades in Keller. Him and I used to train together at Peak. And then I had Weston and then I had Ryan Kramer and it was just, yeah, dude, those are good rules. Good for them. Yeah, it was good for me. On the receiving end of the. The Beat Down. But I mean, those guys are just.

[B]

I resurfaced a parking lot.

[A]

So. Good. Yeah, you got the. You put in some work, man, here at the church, bro, that was awesome. But I mean, man, I saw the work you put in. It looks great. Also, check out Little Cattle Co, Texas Beef Company. I'm a partner with. With Stephen, his wife. My wife. Yeah. What we have on the website is going to be all that we have in regards to beef for a while. We just made a decision to pause the beef sales for an uncertain period of time while we work to restructure a little calico to create a. Just a more sustainable structure with just the market up and down with beef and beef. It's just there's a lot going on. So we. So we decided, hey, if we focus on the beef tallow products, which include a body butter, tallow cream, lip balm, and the beef sticks. Yeah, it's a better business model for us now until we can build things back up to really dive back into the beef sales, which sucks because I man, our beef, the ground beef, all of it's freaking. But it's a good decision for the business. So if you want to be a wholesaler for the B6 and or the beef tallow products, send an email to Amandaittlecattle co. Again, that's Amanda@LittleCattle co. And.

[B]

If you don't think you can use them, let me just tell you that you can. Especially the tallow, because we both use the tallow as an aftershave and it is all the time. So nice to get that. And on the new coffee scrub, which.

[A]

Is on there, it's a good product for your skin. Like, yeah, why would you not want to take care of your body? Also, I'm a partner with a printing company called on the Path Printing. Josh and I have that company on Instagram. We are at on the Path Printing. We've been doing some stuff for Jesus and Jiu Jitsu. Talked to Formiga. We're getting ready to roll out a bunch of stuff for Double Five. Jiu Jitsu as well. Pretty cool. So I work with a couple other companies in the background. If you guys want us to just talk through that with you, send us a message. Josh and I can jump in there and then know Josh and David can jump on a call with you and figure out what we have going on and what you need. It's awesome to be able to, you know, be cranking out orchestra business. I know Josh just did a bunch of hoodies for Mama Lee. For America's mighty warriors. Check out Bruiser Arms Company. Jocko Le and I have. I know we haven't put out a lot of stuff. Just send us a message. We can do custom gear. I was actually talking with my buddy Ryan Bates. He has a legitimate relationship with Noveski and I have a legitimate relationship with Vortex. And so I think we're put together some custom Novsky Vortex rifles. That's sick.

[B]

That would be so sick.

[A]

Yeah, I'm really excited about that one.

[B]

I'll. I'll be willing to take a prototype and.

[A]

Cool.

[B]

Let's store it for you if you need it.

[A]

Let's go. Just send me a message about that if you have any questions. Also want to thank Origin and Jockey Fuel for all the support they've given all over the years. You know, we talk about all the time what they've done. Company and organization is absolutely incredible. 100American made gear. 100American made geese for Jiu jitsu, Rash guards, T shirts, long sleeves, pants, hoodies, beanies, belts, wallets. They have some new boots coming out, which is incredible. It's just unreal what they're doing. [e-mail] to get the cleanest supplements, clean energy drinks, they're. I absolutely love what that company's doing. So very proud of them. You know, as we close it out, you know, just do an assessment, sit back, take the time, be disciplined, ask yourself, hey, where do you want to be? Where are you currently at? And what do you need to get? What do you need to do to get where you need to be? It's just like, you know, I've talked about this before and we can dive deeper into it on when we do the assessment, but it's in land navigation. I think about it like in, in regards to what we used to do in land navigation, like, cool. I knew where I needed to go because I would have that as a final destination. But if I didn't take the time to figure out where I was at and where I was starting at, my direction of travel could be wasted energy. And so if you're trying to make changes, you have to be able to do an honest self assessment and say, okay, this is where I'm at, this is where I want to go. And then reverse engineer a plan back to where you're at so it's sustainable and it's something that you can do every single day. So with that, I hope this episode has been a reminder to go do the work that's needed to put in the effort, build your legacy and to never settle. This has been the JP&L podcast, episode 74.