Overcoming Failure, Grasping Victory | Goal Setting for the New Year | JP Dinnell 067 Podcast

Summary

JP Dinnell Podcast #67 — Detailed Episode Summary

Episode Title: Overcoming Failure, Grasping Victory | Goal Setting for the New Year
Hosts: JP Dinnell & Lucas Pinckard
Release Date: January 3, 2025

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Overview

In this energetic and candid new year’s episode, JP Dinnell—a former Navy SEAL leadership instructor—and co-host Lucas Pinckard dive into the common struggles of overcoming failure, breaking the cycle of procrastination, and developing habits that stick. With real-life stories from martial arts, military service, and personal challenges, the hosts break down how to approach goal-setting beyond empty resolutions, cultivate daily discipline, and lead yourself and others through missteps on the path to victory.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Flaws of Traditional Resolutions

• Resolutions Are Arbitrary Dates: Both hosts poke fun at the tendency to start major life changes on “Jan 1st” or “Monday,” calling them made-up, unmeaningful deadlines that breed procrastination.

  • Lucas: “If I’m gonna start something, like, I need to do it on Monday… That’s stupid. That's an arbitrary day. Like, Monday has something special about it.” [01:09]

• Procrastination & Perfectionism: Lucas admits to delaying important but non-urgent tasks, realizing the damage when he has to cram or make up for lost time.

  • Lucas: “I need to stop being a meow meow and just do it.” [02:58]

• Forming Daily Habits Over All-or-Nothing Thinking: The hosts stress incremental daily progress over binge efforts or waiting for the perfect start date.

  • JP: “There has to come a point where you’re just like, all right, no more hard line. Hey, I have to somehow get 700 burpees done today... But that’s the thing—it comes down to the daily discipline.” [06:14-07:29]

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2. Developing Sustainable Discipline

• Prioritize Non-Urgent but Important Tasks: Drawing on advice from Jocko Willink, JP describes doing “the other things” (that are easy to put off) first, to ensure they don’t become overwhelming or neglected.

  • JP: “Jocko’s like, nope, I do the other things because the other things are non-negotiable.” [04:35-05:46]

• The GSP Approach: Citing UFC fighter Georges St-Pierre, JP stresses moderation and consistency in training—don’t overdo any single day, but show up every day.

  • JP: “He trains every day, and the reason why he’s able to train every day is he doesn’t do too much work.” [07:57]

• Pushing Through Failure Without Self-Judgment: The idea: everyone stumbles, but it’s vital to recognize it’s “just a run,” “just a slip”—don’t catastrophize it, just get back on track.

  • JP: “People need to think about when they’re trying to help somebody get back on the path... it’s just a run.” [18:13]

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3. Coaching, Leadership, and Helping Others Get Back on Track

• Empathy and Accountability: Instead of judging those who relapse on a goal, offer support, camaraderie, and a fresh start.

  • JP: “If you go in and you’re like, hey, you’re a freaking idiot. Why would you do that? ...That’s not going to help somebody. You have to have a coaching, mentoring type of mindset.” [19:48]

• Victim Mentality vs. Extreme Ownership: The hosts rail against the temptation to blame circumstances or “play the victim”; progress is made through continuous small wins and responsibility.

  • JP: “People take themselves so serious that it inhibits their ability to get back to doing what they should be doing... the victim card’s really cool, because that’s easy.” [21:25]

• Setting and Resetting the Count: Each day is a reset—yesterday’s victory (or failure) gets wiped. Today is “0”; start again, do the work, don’t dwell.

  • JP: “All your wins go away... The count is zero. Tomorrow. And guess what? The next day. The count is zero... you get an opportunity for a fresh start.” [34:32-34:58]

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4. Resilience Training, Parenting, and Learning from Failing

• Letting Your Kids (and Yourself) Lose: JP shares stories of how Jiu Jitsu, wrestling, and competition help his children learn humility and resilience through loss.

  • JP: “We do push our kids to be successful and to be competitive, but... some things are gonna fail, and it’s okay.” [32:34-34:05]

• The Power of “Getting Back on the Bike”: Both reflect on sports and personal challenges. When you fall or fail, the best response is immediate re-engagement—not retreat.

  • JP: “The first thing my dad did was like, nope, get back on the bike... then you’ll never want to ride again.” [35:40]

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5. Mental Health, Social Contagion, and Well-being

• Depression as Social Contagion: Lucas shares research and personal pastoral experience about how depression sometimes spreads in peer groups, especially after traumatic events, and emphasizes the need for connection, honest assessment, and physical health.

  • Lucas: “Research suggests that depression is a form of social contagion, meaning it can spread through social networks, with people being more likely to experience depressive symptoms if those around them are also depressed, particularly in close relationships.” [26:09-28:14]

• Routine, Nutrition, and Well-being: Both agree that foundational habits—waking at the same time, eating well, exercising, maintaining routines—are implicit defenses against mental decline.

  • Lucas: “[Jordan] Peterson told his patients wake up at the same time every day, regardless of the day... then start your morning out with fatty foods. And now all the research is showing, like, hey, if you do this, it helps so much with your brain...” [29:34-32:26]

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6. Goal Setting, Challenges, and the Value of “Hard Things”

• Beyond Resolutions—Real Challenges: Both men look for ways to push outside their comfort zones, not just “check the box” on a generic resolution. They discuss physical, mental, and spiritual tests as annual goals.

  • JP: “I want to do something that’s just like absolute, like, why did I sign up for this type of gut check.” [51:12-52:46]

• The “Fear List”: JP recalls how the late Seth Stone kept a list of his fears—and then confronted them, intentionally building courage and resilience.

  • JP: “Seth had a fear list. Things that he was afraid of, things that he was like, nope, I don’t like that, he put it on that, and then he’d make himself do something off that list.” [65:00-66:37]

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7. Nature, Retreat, and Recalibration

• The “Three Day Effect”: JP reads a passage about the restorative ability of disconnecting in the wilderness—a three-day retreat resets problem-solving and mindset, providing clarity and context.
  • Quoted Book Passage: “After three days in the wild, our ability to problem solve escalates. So does inductive reasoning. When we get outside the tent, it’s easier to think outside the box.” [61:44]
• Getting Away to See Your True Place: Being in nature shrinks ego, provides perspective, and allows true reflection and reset.
  • JP: “You get yourself injured out in the backcountry, you could die... it’s a good opportunity to go out into the wild, into the wilderness, and just recognize how big the world is, how good God is.” [63:14-63:21]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Lucas, on Procrastination:
  “Stop being a meow meow and just do it.” [02:58]

• JP, on Getting Back Up:
  “It’s just a run. You made a mistake. It’s okay. Get back on the path.” [18:13]

• Lucas, on “Quitters Day”:
  “National Quitters Day is the second Friday in January...they say close to 90% of people will fail in their resolutions.” [14:32]

• JP, on Leadership and Empathy:
  “You have to have a coaching, mentoring type of mindset.” [19:48]

• JP, on Parental Example:
  “My parents actually being screwed over by people... they decided to take the high ground, do the right thing, get back to work and work themselves out...” [24:17]

• JP, on Resetting Each Day:
  “The count is zero... you get an opportunity for a fresh start.” [34:49]

• JP, recalling Seth Stone’s “Fear List”:
  “If it was on the list, then he would go do it.” [65:00]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:09] - The arbitrary nature of New Year’s and resolutions
• [02:58] - Procrastination and “just do it”
• [04:35-05:46] - Jocko’s habit management strategy
• [06:14-07:29] - Daily discipline using the burpee challenge example
• [07:57] - GSP’s philosophy of moderation in training
• [13:56-14:32] - “Just start today” and “National Quitters Day”
• [18:13-21:25] - Failing, recovery, and not playing the victim
• [26:09-28:14] - Depression, social factors, and mental health
• [29:34-32:26] - The routine, diet, and health connection
• [32:34-34:05] - Teaching kids to lose and grow
• [34:32-34:58] - Fresh start every morning: "the count is zero"
• [35:40-36:05] - The “get back on the bike” metaphor
• [51:12-52:46] - Seeking meaningful personal challenges
• [61:44-63:21] - The “Three Day Effect” and growth in nature
• [65:00-66:37] - Seth Stone’s “fear list” and its power

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Closing Thoughts

JP leaves listeners with a clear charge for the year:

“If you fall off the path, no factor. Don’t take yourself too serious... push yourself daily and get yourself in uncomfortable situations daily for growth. If you do have a slip up, get back on the path, recalibrate yourself and re-engage. The worst thing you can do is quit...” [76:37]

Theme: Growth is a daily fight, not a New Year’s illusion. Don't wait—start, fail, recover, keep going. Surround yourself with coaches, teammates, and accountability, and seek environments—like the wilderness or the mat—that reveal and refine your real limits.

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For anyone looking to break the cycle of failed resolutions, this episode delivers tactical, time-tested advice on building resilience, fostering discipline, and finding meaning in both victory and defeat—with humor, heart, and real-world experience.

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Jesus and Jiu Jitsu, Echelon Front, Origin & Jocko Fuel, Little Cattle Co., On the Path Printing, Bruiser Arms, Half Face Blades, Mark Batterson’s “A Million Little Miracles”

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Next Action for Listeners:

• Don’t wait for Monday or January 1st: start now.
• Find accountability partners or a coach.
• Consider making a “fear list."
• If you slip, reset your count—today is zero.

Transcript

[A]

Good morning. This is the JP Donnell podcast, episode 67. I am JP Donnell, and as always, I have Lucas with me. And I'm also thankful we're kicking off the new year 2025. Let's go, baby. What's up, Lucas?

[B]

What is up, dude? Happy freaking New Year.

[A]

I know, man.

[B]

It's.

[A]

It's good.

[B]

It's early on in 2025 and already feel a little sketchy.

[A]

I was wondering how you were going to open this up.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Approach that, you know, the, the new year and me, we, we. We always start off with a little bit of mistrust. Any relationship there's is built. It's built on four things, really. Trust, listen, respect, and something else. Influence. Yeah. And so currently.

[A]

And then the fifth one is care.

[B]

And 2025 so far does not care about us.

[A]

Oh, man.

[B]

I am trying to show it some trust and I'm trying to listen. And currently I'm not getting very much back. Inanimate objects are pretty good about. Especially more like ideas.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because the year is really an idea. How philosophical do you want to get?

[A]

Let's go deep.

[B]

I'm done. That was it. We've plunged the depths of my annual philosophy. No, yeah, it's the. The whole concept of New Year's is so weird to me just in general because this is the like, oh, I'm gonna put. And I've been talking to the Montgomery. Well, my friend Max Plank has been talking to the Montgomery's and we've. I'm one of these people that like, in my mind, if I'm gonna start something, like, I need to do it on Monday, right. Like, if I'm gonna start a diet or if I'm gonna start a meal plan or whatever that like, in my brain I gotta start Monday. And I don't know why that is. There's this weird, like, mental block that's there. And it's funny to me because, like, I know that I'm like that and I have to fight against it. But I make fun of the people that are like, I'm going to wait till January 1st to do this. I'm like, that's stupid. That's an arbitrary day. Like Monday has something special about it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like my way of doing it is.

[A]

So much like if I saw, like when I did. When I. When I've done 75 hard in the past or other things that I know is like, hey, you're going to be tracking it. I like to start on Sundays.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yep. Because it's the calendar.

[B]

Right.

[A]

When you look at a calendar, you know exactly. Sunday starting the week and Saturday, you know.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I waited until the 1st of August to start 75 hard. I was like, that way it's just super easy to count how far into it I am smart. I mean, is it because it was one of those, obviously, like we accomplished it, but it was one of those that I pushed it weeks down the road to start it so that I could start it on, on a, on a certain date. There's some of that like delayed. The procrastination. That's what it's called. It's called procrastination, Jeremiah.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I'm aware. If, if you could have changed something up, if you could change something up about that within yourself, what would it be?

[B]

Stop being a meow meow and just do it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

That would be it.

[A]

So what's.

[B]

I don't know that I'm gonna put that on my vision board for 20, 25.

[A]

Probably not. So, okay. If, if you're being serious, like, hey, you know, I procrastinate things or oh, for sure. This is what I do.

[B]

Yeah, this is a thing for me.

[A]

So what is something that you think you could do that would help create a new habit to change that?

[B]

I think one of the things is, and we've talked about this before, is doing a little bit of this stuff that, you know, that isn't pressing. Right. That like if know, like tonight I'm going to edit the episode of this podcast, but there's a sermon that I've got to prepare for Sunday. We are looking to do all of our year end financial stuff at the church and with my production company and then with our family. But like the year in financial stuff isn't due until April and that's going to be easy to wait until like April 10th to be like, oh, hey, I need to get all this paperwork together instead of, you know, whatever the talking from the family perspective, but doing a little bit of that today because the podcast is gonna get done regardless, right? The podcast has to get done. Well, that doesn't. So trying to develop that habit of like, hey, you know what, do a little bit of something that isn't 100% pressing today and you know, give. You're gonna give that much more time to, you know, future you.

[A]

Nice. Yeah, I, you know, Jocko's talked about that before where if he has these like, list of things, it's like, hey, I have these things, these things, these things. Which of those things do you think I'm working on first and that goes like. Well, the. The pressing things, like, the ones that things. And Jocko's like, nope, I do the other things because the other things are non negotiable.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So he'll get. Because he said it's real easy. Like, let's just say, hey, you know, writing new. A new book, and I need to get a thousand words a day done.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's like, okay, cool, I'll do that. But I also have to record and do some. Like, the recording has to happen because it has to be done so they can be edited in time. He'll do his writing before the recording.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because it's very easy to be like, well, okay, I'm gonna do the recording and then do the recording. I'll do the writing later. And it's like, well, you already pushed the writing back once. It's easier to keep pushing it back because you already, you know, you're. You're kind of telling yourself. Not kind of. You're. You're telling yourself that the writing's not that important. That's why you didn't do it. And it keeps getting pushed back. I. There's a handful of things in my life that I have done that with as well that I'm just like, it's not that big of a deal.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Because it's not. But in reality, it is. It could be.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, and if. And it's one of those things, too, though. Like, if you keep it mounting, then it becomes more and more daunting whenever you sit down to do it. Like now. All right, so I. I know I've got 20,000 words due at the end of the month. I need to write a thousand words a day. Well, I skipped two days. Well, now all of a sudden, I got to write 2,000 words. And then, you know, it comes to that last week, and you're like, holy crap, I got to crank out. It is like 4,000 words a day in order to make this happen.

[A]

Yeah. It's like, becomes really intense. There's a group of guys that were doing, like, 100 burpees a day for the month of December. And, you know, there's a. There's guys that, like, just, like, miss a day, and then you miss two days and three days, and it's like, hey, you want to get back on that, Pat? And they're like, all right, well, I'm back on it. But they wanting to make up the other missed days, and it's like, well, now you got to get 400 burpees done. Today to be back on track. And it's like, okay, well, okay, if I take that 400, you know, and I split it up by, you know, four days. Okay. And then I'll just do an extra hundred a day for four days, and then that doesn't happen. And then it's. I mean, you could catch up. I mean, if you just dedicate. But that's the thing is, like, you. There has to come a point where you're just like, all right, no more hard line. Hey, I have to somehow get 700 burpees done today. How am I going to get that done? And that. It's like, that could be a completely unrealistic goal. Or, you know, or it could be something that you're like, okay, literally every. If I have an extra three minutes, I'm going to be doing burpees. And you just do that all day long to get your burpees in. You might catch up. But, I mean, it comes down to the daily discipline.

[B]

Well, yeah. And then what's that do to your body? Right. Like, how. How many can you do the next day or the next, like, three days? Does that ruin you for that? For that period?

[A]

It's very simple. Sorry, go ahead. No, no, I was gonna say it's very similar to gsp. Remember the UFC fighter George St. Pierre? Very similar to his training philosophy in life.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

He trains every day, and the reason why he's able to train every day is he doesn't do too much work.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Now there you can over train.

[B]

Oh, for sure.

[A]

You know, like, I. You know, my dad is always trained a lot in his life, and there's times where he's over trained and, you know, he's.

[B]

It sidelines you.

[A]

I mean. Yeah. And he would talk about, like, you know, when we were doing stuff like, hey, you know, you can over train. You got to be careful because that's a real thing. I don't care who you are, you can over train. But most people are going to push themselves to the limit of over training.

[B]

No, and. And most people that. I would say most people that do. It's an ego thing.

[A]

Yep. 100. And it's like, hey, go super hard, and then you're super sore. You don't do it the next day. But anyways, so GSP's thing was he would do. He would train every day. And when you looked at it. When you look at it from a volume perspective, he was out training everybody.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And he was really smart because he stayed close to his fighting weight.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

He never Deviated too much.

[A]

So his cuts were super minimal. Okay, well, a cut that's going to exhaust you, that's going to drain you. You're dehydrating yourself of water to lose that weight that you know. And so, I mean, you look at the guy, he's still incredibly healthy, and he's a phenomenal athlete still. Yeah, it's a high level, you know, does a lot of, like, gymnastics stuff and MMA stuff and jiu jitsu stuff still.

[B]

So it's like, that's one of the reasons that they. They think is now we're, like, kind of following a whole different pattern of thought, but that the. The biologists and the doctors that are watching the UFC fighters, even the former UFC fighters, because they still, like, monitor them because they want to know, like, what happens to these guys. He's cognitively as good as he was when he was fighting. Not like some of these guys who've had these crazy.

[A]

Sanchez.

[B]

Oh, my gosh.

[A]

Have you seen some of his videos? Breaks my heart, like, legitimately.

[B]

Yeah. Like, it's so sad.

[A]

I met him once. It was. Oh, damn. What year was that? 2012. Ish, I think, or 13. Anyways, I met him in. In. In Albuquerque. I met John Jones the same day I was at that gym training. My aunt went to high school with one of the coaches, knew I was training for an MMA fight. Needed to get some training in while I was in town, so I got to go in there, and it was, like, all of the guys that were just killers. Yeah. Like, king of the cage, heavyweight champion. I spar. That's cool. A bunch of other, like, guys in the ufc and Jon Jones, Diego Sanchez.

[B]

Okay, so Jon Jones were there. Did you just, like, shake his hand or did you spar with him?

[A]

No, I got a picture with him. Okay. Like, yeah. I mean, that would have been.

[B]

Just curious.

[A]

Like. No, it would have been cool, too. I would have been cool to be able to, like, you know. You know, just kind of feel him going at, like, 7%, you know, that.

[B]

Was one of the things when we did that event with Tim Kennedy, they were like, are you going to roll with them? I was like, first off, there's not going to be time.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But if there was. Yes. I would let Tim Kennedy slaughter me in 15 seconds, and it would be his 10%.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

At 1. And. And it. I. Yeah. So I could tell everybody for the rest of my life. Yeah, I roll with Tim Kennedy.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

How was it? It was horrible. It was the worst experience of my life. I would love to Tell everybody that.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I'm drawing a blank on the dude's name. Russian type dude. Alec always, like, would paint his nails black. Oh, the pit bulls.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you know who I'm talking. Drawing a blank. He was a heavyweight. He was a heavyweight UFC fighter as well. Sparred with him, you know, a bunch of other guys. So it was cool. They were being super, you know, cool, like, letting me train with them. I mean, they all whooped the crap out of me, obviously, like. Like, at zero chance against any of these guys, but it was cool to be able to, like, like, keep going and just spar as far as spar, spar, spar with all these guys. But Diego is there, and, you know, it was just unique being able to be that close to him and interact with him and actually talk with him. And then now to see where he's at, it's just Andre Aloski. Yeah, that's.

[B]

There we go.

[A]

Yep. Andre Orlovsky. Met him, talked with him, sparred with him. He gave me, like, some, like, you know, I was just like, hey. And he's like, hey. You know, you know, just something to think about.

[B]

And you're like, kind of, stop do this.

[A]

But it was crazy because I remember we were sitting outside the gym, Me and my dad were sitting there, and we're, like, waiting for guys to show up. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. Like, looking there, like, seeing guys show up, I'm like, oh, man. And my dad's like, have fun.

[B]

Yeah, no joke. It's a little different than fighting the mailman.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You see, like, Arloski, like, get out with his, like, pit bulls, and, like, it's just crazy, like, that whole, like, what you see, like, on tv, like, with these guys, for sure you're seeing the same thing. And there's no camera set up. They're just getting out. And you know, that gym, like, a lot of those guys, like, they had dogs and protection dogs or, you know, dogs with them for. Because that was just their thing.

[B]

It was the culture that.

[A]

And the gym had a dog run built on the side of it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

For everyone's dogs, and they can put them in their little kennel spaces and everything else like that. And that's crazy.

[B]

Pretty.

[A]

Pretty cool. That's awesome, though. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So there. There is a lot to, like, all of those kinds of things, though, when it comes to, you know, not just, like. And it's not just about training and moderation. It's about knowing, doing the honest self assessment. Training appropriately for your goals and where you're at and those kinds of things. And I think so many people are derailed by the idea of starting something new or resolutions because like, and we see this in people's spiritual walks, right. That they're like, oh, you know what? I, I'm not going to come to church because I got too many, too many things I got to make up for in my life instead of looking at it like, nope, today's the reset button.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Right. Like, just start today and do these things, like, be better today than you were yesterday. Don't try to make up for everything you did for the past 30 years. Right. And, and that's one of the things I love about something like the deaf reset over a New Year's resolution is because it is you, you don't make up for yesterday. You just do what you're supposed to do for today.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

And that idea and that framework I think is so much healthier because what is it Quitters Day this year? Do you know about quitter, you know, National Quitters Day?

[A]

No, I do not.

[B]

Okay. National Quitters Day is the second Friday in January and it is, it is the day that they say close to 90% of people will fail in their resolutions on February 10th or on, on January 10th. That's the second Friday in January.

[A]

90.

[B]

Almost 90% of people will fail in their resolutions on, on that day. Not, not like coming up to that day. 90% of people. The last statistic I saw is that they will fail on the second day marks failure for 90 of people that start their resolutions. Whether it's, that's the first day that you decide not to go to the gym. That's the day that like, you know, you wanted to do your 21 day diet and then there's a piece of cake or a cinnamon roll that's sitting there. That's the day that you decide to, to get it. The second Friday in January has some sort of magnetism that, that is National Quitters Day. And it doesn't matter if it is the, the, the 14th or the 8th or wherever it falls on, on the calendar. That second Friday is where most people fail in their resolutions. And I, my mind is totally blown by that. But it's also the reason, you know, like I said, stuff like the deaf reset or stuff things like what the folks at first end do.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or anybody who's like looking or working with, with a coach or a training program has to break out of the, the January 1st mentality. Or me. The, the Monday Mentality. Because if, okay, so if I failed on Thursday, right? If I. I break on Friday and it failed to. To do my training or all of that stuff, then I'm looking at it like, you know what? I'll start back again on Monday. And a lot of people, whenever they hit what this year is going to be January 10th, they're going to be like, you know what? I'll try again next year. Well, try again tomorrow. Don't wait another 50 weeks to start over. Like, yeah, just go now.

[C]

Just.

[B]

Just go now and do tomorrow. So from a leadership standpoint, from training perspective, from nutrition perspective, like, all of these things kind of work together in this type of. Of deal. Whether it is we want to implement extreme ownership in our businesses, and one thing happens, we don't take ownership, we have a massive failure, and then we're like, oh, well, yeah, you know, I screwed the pooch for this week or whatever. Yeah, that's. That's actually a really terrible phrase that I grew up saying. And the more I think about it, the more I'm like that I need to eliminate that from my vocabulary. We'll move on something. So don't think about it too much. But, like, no matter where that failure is, this idea that, like, all right, well, we've got to. I have to start it on Monday. I've got to start it on Sunday. I've got to start out on January 1st. How do we snap out of that? How do you coach people instead snapping out of that and just like, hey, all right. Yeah, yeah, you messed up. Tomorrow is day one again.

[A]

Well, I think, you know, you said how you get them to snap out of it. It's just. It's how you coach and talk with people. It's how you treat people. And, you know, part of the reason why people have a hard time with these things is, you know, I said this after our run, the. When we did the half marathon for. To honor those. I, you know, I wasn't trying to, like, be diminishing of anybody that did the run or did something great, but it's just a run.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, like, it's. It's just a run. And I think if people could realize, like, hey, you made a mistake. It's okay. You fell off the path. It's okay. Get back on the path. It's like, you know, my brother went through. You know, he stopped drinking, right? So he went through this phase where he's like, hey, you know, hey, I don't want to drink. I need. I need help. We Got him help. Which I. You know, this is like, I'm. I'm showing my brother love and respect by sharing this right now online.

[B]

Yeah, Corey's an absolute unit dude. He's.

[A]

He's an. He's a great human. And the reason why I'm sharing this is one. I don't think he would be embarrassed, because there's nothing to be embarrassed about. The fact that he had the courage. Right. I was gonna use a phrase. I was. Maybe that's not appropriate. The courage to actually ask for help and say, hey, I don't want to drink. Like, I am drinking anymore. Like, I need help. Can you help me? And I'm like, yes. And we got him help. And so guess what? He stopped drinking. You know, he went through this, you know, went through some help, and it was awesome. Right? Well, he had some drinks. It's like, okay, you know, at first, you know, I could tell. And I remember, like, talking to him like, hey, Court, like, nobody, like, nobody cares that you had some drinks again. Just, you know, just don't be drinking as much as you were or go back to not drinking again. Yeah, Not a big deal.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

And I think that's the approach that people need to think about when they're trying to help somebody get back on the path or to get back to doing what they're supposed to be doing. And back to not doing what they're not supposed to be doing is just like, hey, if you go in and you're like, hey, you're a freaking idiot. Why would you do that? Blah, blah, blah. Like, that's not going to help somebody. You. You have to have a, like, a coaching, mentoring type of mindset. And also, like, let's be real. Unless you're living an absolutely perfect, flawless life. Not it. Yeah, we crucified that guy, remember? The one guy.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

So until you can actually live that type of lifestyle, then you shouldn't be very judgmental of people. And that's what I've been trying to work on is like, okay, cool. Hey, someone's something that pisses me off. Well, guess what? I do a lot of things that piss people off. I know I do. And it's like something I need to be working on. So until I can fix all my things, I'm going to focus on me, and I'm going to give people advice and guidance as they want, if they want it. Cool. You know, there's sometimes I'll say, hey, you know, can I offer you some unsolicited advice? Like, I'll ask People that.

[B]

You never ask me that anymore. I just get the advice now. Are we at that point in our relationship where you ask for forgiveness rather than permission?

[A]

Well, you just ask for it, so.

[B]

That'S probably true.

[A]

You'll be like, hey, Jamie, I'm up.

[B]

Yeah, okay.

[A]

Glad you brought it up.

[B]

No, I'm just kidding.

[A]

Oh, interesting thing.

[B]

You took it as an opportunity, you.

[A]

Know, But I think of that from just like a leadership aspect of how you approach things and how you communicate with your team is really important. And so to answer your question. I know I went on this long roundabout to answer your question. Hey, just get back on the path. It's not that big of a deal. Don't take yourself so serious. Yeah, I think that's the problem, is a lot of people take themselves so serious that it inhibits their ability to get back to doing what they should be doing. Because now all of a sudden it's like, oh, I failed, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And woe is me. And I can't believe I did that. And then it's like, well, cool. Let me play the victim card. Because the victim card's really cool, because that's easy. And I can just blame other people and I can feel sorry for myself. And he, hey, it's fun to say that you're depressed and tired and unmotivated and, you know, because people give you sympathy when you say you're depressed and now you're sad because you didn't do what you're supposed to be doing. I mean, that's a. That's a rabbit hole. People fall down really quick. And I'm not taking away from people that have actual clinical depression.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But I believe that the majority of the people that say they're depressed are saying it because they want attention. There are actual people that are clinically depressed and. Or have those issues. I know that. I. I know that.

[B]

Or they're massive life events that can cause a person for a period of time who doesn't typically have those kind of things to be depressed.

[C]

Right.

[A]

100.

[B]

You know, we've got a buddy who's. Or I've got a buddy who is right in the middle of something that's likely to push him in. And I would like to just lost his child. And, yeah, like, we're. It's not something he's necessarily prone to, but all of us are like, dude, we gotta rally around this.

[A]

And so. And that's where that was coming from the back of my mind, because I've had some people in My circle and. Or like that I just hear about.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

That are experiencing things that. Okay, that's gonna be legitimate life changing depression type of thing for sure. Right. And I've been around people that have experienced actual depression and they've worked out of it and that's what I get frustrated with. Like, you know, your friend just lost his child.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So just losses is like baby boy, 5 months old and you have somebody that's going to say that they're depressed because they lost their job.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it wasn't a life changing type of thing. Right. Like, you know, like, like he lost his kid and then there's somebody over here that's. And that's why I, the depression thing, I know I'm going to piss people off with that because I know there are people that legitimately have depression issues. I know that I'm not diminishing that for those people. I think the majority of the people that I've interacted with. Okay. From my interactions that claimed depression. It was bs.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And it was because they didn't know how to, just to get back on the path again. They didn't know how to get back to work because it was easier for them to play the victim card and lie and seek attention other than putting in the hard work. And that's what pisses me off because like, the way my parents raised us is the opposite of that. There are plenty of times throughout our childhood that my parents could have played the victim card because somebody screwed them over. You know, like, I remember times that like actual my parents actually being screwed over by people. And you know what, they decided to take the high ground, do the right thing, get back to work and work themselves out of those situations. So that's just for me. I have a hard time with that. And then if you're in that situation, like you said, like, hey, somebody, you know, this is what's, what's going on with them. Just guide them back to it. Like, hey man, let's do it together. That's another thing I like to do is like, hey, you're having a hard time not drinking, Cool, let's not drink together. Like, I'll stop drinking for a month if you, if you can do it for a month. And like just getting people back on that path. But yeah, that's why I wrote down like, having a good coach leader in your life is critical. Like, you need to have these good people, you know, having somebody from your church, you know, a pastor that you can talk to regularly, that can help you Walk. Being a part of, like a small group within your church. Those are critical because that's. That's a group that's going to help you keep yourself accountable to doing these things, you know, and, you know, ultimately, when you're talking about, like, people falling off the path that quick, it's. They're lacking discipline. Would you agree?

[C]

I would.

[B]

And you know, with. With that, you know, with the depression conversation in particular, because it's such a hot button issue.

[A]

Can be, yeah, it's.

[B]

And I say that because oftentimes, like, depression is immediately conflated with all of mental health, where in reality it's a piece of the greater part that makes that up. Of all of those things. This is. And I'm looking this up because I want to make sure that I. Because we've done an exhaustive amount of reading and research on this, myself and other pastors and counselors that are in this area, because we, we want to be able to help people that have any type of mental health struggle, but particularly those who are struggling with depression because it seems so prevalent. Research suggests that depression is a form of social contagion, meaning it can spread through social networks, with people being more likely to experience depressive symptoms if those around them are also depressed, particularly in close relationships, roommates, family members, et cetera. This phenomenon is often explained by an emotional contagion where emotions can be transferred through social interactions like this, this type of thing. And one of the things that sparked kind of my interest in all of this was right before I became pastor of the church here in Lake Dallas, I say right before, like a couple of years before, there was a student at, I believe at the. At the high school who took his own life. And then within about six months, there were 23 other attempts, like right at two dozen to do the same thing in the junior high and high school. And they were all related to this group. There was only like one or two degrees of separation from that person who took their own life. And one of the things that rapidly started to happen within the community is like this emphasis on mental health and mental health. Mental health. And what it actually turned out that was needed was not this huge emphasis on mental health, but this sort of step away from the influence of the people around you and kind of like, remember who you are. Not to say that that isn't a piece of mental health or something that we shouldn't, you know, counsel people towards. Not just kids.

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[B]

But it's one of those things that like, oh, I'm experiencing all this depression, I want to take my own life, and this kind of stuff. And as that starts, that stuff started to come up. What they realized is like, the, this other thing was being romanticized and, and it was the attention, it was the, the news coverage. It was all of that stuff. And, and these other students that were close to them, that also felt ignored, that also felt like nobody saw them, that were coming. Not always, but sometimes from homes where the home life wasn't great.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That they saw that and they were like, this is. This person was finally seen. That's what I have to do to be. To be seen.

[A]

And then I think it'd be interesting to dive into those, those researches and say, all right, what was their diet like? What was their activities like? Were they healthy? Were they active? What, what were they eating and drinking? The environment at home is critical. Sleep, all those things, you know, like, these are all real things that if you're not eating the right food, if you're not getting good sleep, if you're not getting good exercise, I mean, that's going to have a, like an effect. Oh, a tremendous, tremendous negative way you look at yourself.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's, you know, that's one of the reasons why. And I know he's sort of a controversial figure now in some circles that Jordan Peterson's original book, 12 Rules for Life, you know, that's one of the reasons that it had such tremendous success, was that it talked about simple things that you can do. Tell the truth, make your bed right, stand up straight with your shoulders back. You know, one of the things he talks about early on in that book is that with his, in particular, with. Because he's a practicing clinical psychologist, like, the dude is not just a professor at, Was not just a professor at Harvard and all of these other, like, tremendous schools, but he, he continued to practice. He was seeing patients. And one of the very first things he told his patients with depression was wake up at the same time every day, regardless of the day and regardless of what you have going on, and then start your morning out with fatty foods. And they were like, why? And he goes, it just works. And now he's been telling his patients, his clients to do this for, for 30 something years.

[A]

Weird. You mean, like our grandparents used to start off their day with bacon and eggs, Right. Ham and eggs or eggs and steak.

[B]

Or eggs and eggs and anything, Right? Yeah, eggs have all of those, those really great fats and cholesterols. But what now? You know, he's been telling people to do that for 30 years. And their doctors were like, that's insane. Don't do that. Your cholesterol is going to go through the roof. Now all the research is showing, like, hey, if you do this, it helps so much with your brain that if you start off with these fatty. You know, we were, we were sitting down a few months ago and some. Me, when I was doing 75 hard, we had some, some friends in town. You came and, and some other friends that listen to the podcast and, and do stuff with. With ef. We all went to lunch together after. They were asking me what my breakfast was. And I was like, my breakfast is four eggs, four egg whites, 10 almonds, a slice of cheese, you know, a half a bell pepper. And they're like, that's a lot of fat. And I was like, yeah, yeah. And you were like, bro, getting that fat in, in the morning is so, so, so important because it helps with not just your brain chemistry, but mood regulation, all of those kinds of things. One of the big issues that we've seen and that I'm sure you've experienced with your daughters and their friends. We are parenting young kids. We're trying not to put too much of an emphasis on, like, the need for success, because I don't know about you, but all of the, the under, like 18 year olds, all the kids that are, like, in school, they're so terrified of a failure.

[A]

Yeah. We were actually talking about this the other night about how competitive I was as a kid and how competitive my kids are.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and like, they're like, oh, yeah. You know, we were playing a game and the girls like, yeah, I get that from you, Dad. I get that from you, dad. And I said, but the girls handle it way better than I did because they have Jiu Jitsu.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So we, we do push our kids to be successful and to be competitive, but we're able to push them at a high level because they have Jiu Jitsu as a humbling op thing for them. And we've also explained to them, like, hey, some things are gonna fail. Yeah, you're gonna, you know, some things are gonna fail, and it's okay. You know, like, they've heard the story where Jocko, when he was like, hey, I need you to put your name on your helmet so you can step up, lead and do all these things. But Jocko also told me, hey, when you do that, you're going to make some mistakes. That's okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so we've told our kids, like, hey, when you step up and you're trying to do these things, you're going to make some mistakes. Like when Cora signed up for the Jiu Jitsu tournament and you know, she went out there and competed very well against two girls that were like the, like. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think they're like the top two girls in her age and weight, you know, and she did very well, but she lost both of her matches. And it's like, all right, hey, that's okay. Nobody. Nobody's upset. Nobody's mad at you. You did great. Like, I'm proud of how hard you fought out there and, you know, all these things that you did. So they. They recognize, like, okay, it's not that big of a deal.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so that's how you can push your kids to like, pursue success and winning daily. Like, that you should. You should be trying to win daily. Like everything you should be trying to win at. But recognize that like, hey, you're. And this goes back to like your question. It's like, hey, hey. You're trying to win the day by. Do all these things for the deaf reset and you screw up. Okay, cool. What's next? Just start over tomorrow.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

That entire. All of your accomplishments today on that little checklist, they all get erased at the end of the night. You got to do them all again tomorrow.

[A]

So, yeah, that. That list goes away. All the things that were done, all your wins goes away.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

The count is zero.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Tomorrow. And guess what? The next day. The count is zero. The count is zero. The count zero. Which means you get an opportunity for a fresh start.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Which is cool.

[B]

Yeah, I. I love that. You know, I. I wonder how much. So you. You did some motocross racing?

[A]

I used to ride dirt bikes, but I did street bike racing.

[C]

Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

That's what.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. So like MotoGP, right?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, not that level.

[B]

Right. But that style.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I was like, let's be very. Someone's gonna be like.

[B]

So like, we did. We grew up with motocross, right? That's what. That's what we did. Do you ever fall off your bike?

[C]

Right.

[A]

Dude, I wrecked my dirt bike so bad in my grandparents past year. Like, I think I still have like the scar.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And the first thing my dad did was like, nope, get back on the bike. I mean, I was just like in so much pain, I couldn't breathe. I mean, I just. It was, you know, and like, nope, get back on. Like, literally got me back on the bike and was like. And now I was like, you know, Until I got my confidence back in. And. But that was his thing. It's like, no, get back on the bike, because then if not, then you'll never want to ride again.

[B]

Right. That's the whole the get back on the horse mentality. Right.

[A]

And.

[B]

And that's the. That I think is one of the things that an individual sport or individual things like this encourage that. That you don't always get in team sports.

[A]

Like, wrestling is incredible.

[B]

Yeah, Wrestling, jiu jitsu. But also, you know, those little things like horse riding or motocross or, you know, if you're a skateboarder, a BMX guy or whatever. You know, Brian Parrott talked about this a little bit whenever he was on the podcast months ago, which was like, you. He's. He's a skater and you fall off the board and then you're not done for the day, right?

[C]

You.

[B]

You can fall off the. Off your skateboard, your very first drop in. And most people, especially if you've never dropped into a half pipe or a pool before, you're gonna wipe out.

[A]

Dude, I remember the first time trying to drop into a half pipe. My buddy, impossibly Peterson grew up with. In elementary school, his older brothers were like big skaters. Like.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And this was like in the 80s 90s, right. When skateboarding was big out in the West Coast. Thrasher magazine, all those things.

[B]

Tony Hawk was like up and coming.

[A]

Or no Tony Hawk at this point yet.

[B]

This would have been like mid-90s.

[A]

No, this is early 90s.

[B]

Early 90s.

[A]

I was born in 83, so 90 was seventh. I was seven years old. So that would have been. I don't know what grade.

[B]

Yeah. So this is like right before Tony Hawk's video games are out. But like when he is like the pro skater in throw.

[A]

This is before. Yeah, right, this. Yeah, this is absolutely before then because I'm in elementary school.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Like fourth, fifth, sixth grade. Yeah, fifth, sixth grade. Going over to his house and like skateboarding and everything. And bro, the. His older brothers, they were crazy.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, when people talk about old school skaters, like, bro, you don't understand, like the west coast, like, these guys were.

[B]

They were nuts.

[A]

They were gnarly.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And his brothers were insane. Like all just insane for multiple other things. Like legit, like, like the satanic music they listened to and just.

[B]

It was all part of the culture.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It was just crazy. Which is crazy. Like, just. And my parents had no idea. They would never had let me in that house, obviously. Right. You know, and that's why it's so important to know, like, where your kids are going and who they're being around, because that stuff has effects, you know? But anyways, that is. They had a half pipe in there built on the side of their house, and it was like a legit full size. And it was. I mean, I remember the first time, like, you was, like, terrified, and they're just like, you gotta go, you gotta go, you gotta go. I'm like, like, Garrett goes. And I'm like, boom. And I just go. And I just eat it and just slide all the way down. And they were all, like, cheering me. Yeah. That was awesome.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

And so I got back up, you know, and so kind of going back to what you said, it's like, you gotta have good people that are gonna push you. Like, hey, you fall, get back up. You fall, get back up. You fall, get back up. And eventually I was able to actually write it down, and it was awesome.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

The. When I was a missionary in Canada, we.

[A]

Which I hate skateboarding, by the way.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I was never good at it. I'm. I don't like it.

[B]

It's not one of my favorite activities. Right. But I really wanted to. When I was in Canada, I really wanted to snowboard, so I got a snowboard. The first, like, snow that we got, they took me out to. We snuck onto this golf course, and because they're not using it, it's snowing. And they showed me kind of, like, how to use the board on some hills. Well, the next day, a bunch of guys are going out, and they're like, hey, you can come out with us, and whatever. So they made this crude. A little ramp, and the guys were taking jumps. I was like, freaking, I'm gonna do it. So I. I don't know how many times I did it and just wiped out. Right? But I was like. They're like, bro, like, this is a hard one. I was like, no, I'm. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna land it once. Right? Like, that's the whole deal, Right? Because I'm with this new group of guys, and there's part of it. It's like, okay, you want to prove yourself? Like, all right, I'm gonna try this. I'm not gonna be a quitter. But also that you're. There's something about, like, these kind of communal activities when it is an individualized thing that you also want to prove, and I'll use some musician lingo, that you want to be a. That you're a good hanging. That like, hey, listen, if you guys do this, like, I know what my limitations are, but you know what? I'm. I'm in it. Like, we used to say ferta, like, do it for the boys. And so there was a huge Canadian and hockey things that everything was ferda. And so we. I hit a ramp and wiped out and did it probably, like, four times. Yards, like, the. Different than skis, because skis, whenever you land, like, they just go pop off the snowboard. You're attached to a death plank that just, like, thrashes you around. And so I finally landed after, like, the fourth or fifth time, and I was done for the day. I knew I was done for the day, and I was happy that I was done for the day, but I landed it, and that's all anybody was talking about. There were guys that did so much that. That were infinitely more skilled than I was. But, like, when we went out to. To dinner that night, everybody was like, my meal got paid for. They're all talking about how I did these jumps. I hadn't done anything like, seven hours. Like, I was just, like, sitting there, like, kind of like, l. My wounds, right? Just slowly, like, taking Advil, waiting for the pain to set. And it was awful. The next couple of days, man, I feel like I'd been in a. I mean, I was like, the same impact as when you're in a wreck, but that just that idea that, like, nope, you got back up and did it. And then anytime we went to go do something, even though I was the worst one, when they went to the big X Games park down in. In Minnesota, I got an invite, and they're like, yeah, no, it gives Luke's a good hang. He'll. He'll be there. He'll try some stuff. Like, awesome. He'll listen to us. But, like, he's. He's gonna give it a shot. And so, yeah, like, we'll. We'll do it. And. And I got to go to all of those places that I had no business going to because I was willing to get back on the horse. And that is. That's one of those stories that I look at, and I'm like, if I would have at the first one and just been like, no, you guys are right. I shouldn't do it. I can't do it. Most of those opportunities are lost, right? And when you get to the top of the hill and like, what Troy Basham said, you know, when he was on here is that each time when you go through that, like, mental management process, right, that each Time, you start back at zero and you go. You work the mental process from zero to three or wherever however many steps are in it. And then when you fail, you just. You go back to zero and then you start it over all again. That each. Each try is just about that one try. Each rep is just about that one rep. And, bro, it's. I think that that's an incredibly impactful thing if you can. If you can learn to do it. And that's really one of the things I think that I've learned the most from you over the last, like, year and a half is. Is just that, you know, one more rep mentality. Think about what you're doing right now and do it to the best of your ability. So kind of not necessarily switching gears, but kind of changing phases a little bit. With something like the def. Reset you've got, like, it's. It's more of a challenge than a resolution. It's only 28 days. You do it for the 28 days, and then the idea is that you'll implement these disciplines further on, right?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Same thing with like, 75 hard, though. That's a more intense challenge. A lot of those things are overlapping when it comes to resolutions and stuff like that. Do you do resolutions? Do you set goals? Do you. How do you map out your. Your year?

[A]

Yeah, no, I don't do any of the resolutions anymore. Like, I don't say, like, hey, this is what I'm going to do this year. I just. Just kind of. Just kind of keep doing things the same way. And I'm a little more mindful of it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think, actually, I know I am. Yeah. I'm. I'm definitely more mindful of, hey, beginning the year. Let's dial stuff back in. But like you said earlier, and I smiled, like, the whole, like, New year thing is New year to me. Yeah. Yeah. Just the whole concept of, like, a new year, it's just. It's weird. It's like. No, we're just like, we're just. We're just. We just keep going. Yeah, we just keep going. Nothing. Nothing stops. We're gonna keep going. And so for me, I've never. Yeah, I've never been one, like, in the last couple years. So I'd be like, hey, I'm gonna really sit down and do these resolutions and I'm gonna map things out. I just never really did that. So I.

[B]

Do you have like. Like habits that you want to learn? Are there. Are there some of those things? Because I don't do the resolution. Thing anymore like I used to, but I will kind of set up and say, hey, you know what? Here's my assessment for how I did in 2024. Yeah, these are some things we kind of talked about. One of them. These are some things that I want to. Some habits I want to really be intentional about figuring out. You know, one of them is, you know, that. That sort of backdating, like, do the little things throughout the. That I know are coming up. Right. Do the little things to make sure that they're. That I'm successful in four months. Right. By doing 10 minutes of work today and making that happen. Are there those little habits that. That you have that you want to hone in on?

[A]

I think it would be cool. You know, I've said this for over a year. You know, maybe it is something I have to be like, hey, in 2025, I'm gonna do this. So that's what happens. But, I mean, I think it would be cool to be able to play the guitar.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

It's fun.

[A]

Yeah. It seems interesting to me, and it seems fun, and I think it would be cool.

[B]

I know a guy who can help you learn.

[A]

I know a guy, too.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

To be honest, I don't have a strong enough desire.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Because I have not made it a priority.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think I need to get, like, some other personal things dialed in before I'm, like, really focused on, like, other things. Like, there's stuff around our house I need to get done.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

There's stuff in some businesses that I need to, like, really focus on. So I. I guess I'm gonna punch Josh for you.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Right in the nose.

[A]

So there are things that, like, a little more. I mean, you could do anything.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You can do anything once.

[A]

Right. You can do anything. There's consequences, though. I. I think I personally just need to get some stuff dialed in at home and in business and Echelon for. When I say business, you know, Echelon front stuff as well, obviously. And there's focuses that I have for Echelon front this year in regards to the program, building out some different events and programs as well. I would like to start writing more just to. Not for, like, writing a book, but writing to be more proficient with my words for speaking purposes. That's one of the things Jocko said.

[B]

A J.P. donnell blog.

[A]

Our blog's still a thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah. And. And they're still, like. They still drive traffic, but if we. So here. Here's what I want. Youtubers in the comments. How interested would Y' all be if we did like a. A monthly or like a bi monthly email where, like, we kind of put in some of the events that you were doing at Echelon Front. Maybe we put some thoughts about the podcast and stuff in there. But also, you know, we had 750 words once a month from. From JP. I would be really interested in that because I've read some of the stuff that you've written. I read our show notes, and you're good at it. It's interesting. Dude, the way your mind works is fascinating. I'm glad you're so uncomfortable right now. I can check this box of 2025. Continue to make JP uncomfortable. Boom.

[A]

We'll see.

[C]

Yep. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I mean, I'll think about it because there is writing that I need to do fresh lawn Front that I just. Last year I just did not make a priority.

[C]

So.

[A]

Yeah, so to answer your question, I guess nothing too specific other than just getting my own stuff squared away at a level that needs to be squared away before I can, like, focus on, hey, these are things I want to do. You know, I'm doing the Jiu Jitsu tournaments this month. You are as well? Well, actually next month, technically. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

You're doing the first and I'm doing Jiu Jitsu tournament.

[A]

Yeah, I think just. We'll see. Hopefully I'll be able to do both of them. But I. I got booked on an event on that Saturday for a World League. Yeah, no, the Dallas Open.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

On the 25th.

[B]

But it's much rather you go to the Dallas, but it's a local one than World League.

[A]

But it's a local one in the morning, so we'll see.

[B]

Potentially.

[A]

I'm gonna sign up for. I talked to Formiga and Brent about it and Victoria, so I'm gonna sign up for it. And depending on what time my bracket is that day, I might. I might be getting done with my keynote and heading straight to the tournament, weighing in and then going.

[B]

That'd be rad.

[A]

So we'll see.

[B]

Yeah, that'd be very cool.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah, I. I do think, you know, last year I set a goal for, like, how many books I wanted to read, and I was at 60 and I was counting last night. I think I made it to 78. So this year I want to slow down because those were.

[C]

That.

[B]

That was a lot. Like, every minute where that wasn't filled with something like on the schedule or an interaction or whatever. I always had a book with me. I was always listening to a Book on, you know, while. Instead of podcasts or things like that, it was a book while I was working. It was an audiobook while I was working out. If I was on the treadmill, I was reading if, you know, all of the. The training that I did with 75 hard or for the half marathon.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

There was always something in my ear all the time or a book in my hand that, like, every moment of downtime that I had, I'm turning pages on something. I was reading through something because I really wanted to. To hit that goal.

[A]

And there are two things that I'm going to do this year.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm slowing down.

[A]

One thing that is extremely difficult. Like, I've got to find something that is going to, like, just. Absolutely. That's why I said the jujitsu tournaments. Not that. Something that's going to absolutely, like, really, really, really test.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Test myself.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

All right. And it might be one of those things where I probably don't do the Are you in? Are you out? Because it won't be fair to others. Because when I did the Arya are you out thing with you, Josh, Stephen, and Isaac for the Jiu Jitsu tournament, it was a workable thing, everybody. Like, even Steven, where he, you know, he's moved 90 minutes away and he's not training Jiu Jitsu. He's busy with work. You know, he's got a lot of stuff going on with his new job. He could still do the tournament.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You could be playing fantasy football. Never have done Jiu Jitsu before and still do a Jiu Jitsu.

[A]

Exactly. That's my point. And Steven's Jiu Jitsu IQ is very high. And as also he told me I need to get in better shape. Cool. Well, here's your. Here's your push, bud. You know, and so he can be doing work, body weight workouts. He can be working out, you know, on his own. Whether he does it or not, it's his choice. And that was the point. It was like, hey, you can train whether you want or not. It's your choice. But there's. I want to do something that's just like a. Like absolute. Like, why did I sign up for this type of gut check? And then just one or two more times, or one or two times this year, just getting out, backpacking, hiking, nature somewhere, but not just like driving to a campground, but actually getting out into the wilderness for three to five days again. Yeah. So.

[B]

So Rob Jones and I've been talking, and this isn't a. Are you in? Are you out thing. Because he was. Because Rob was, like, pushing me. He's like, you should do it. You should do it as an argument or you're out. And we both just had so much stuff going on. I also am interested in thing number one.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Right.

[B]

I don't think the Jiu Jitsu tournament for me is that at all.

[A]

I'm not being disrespectful towards the tournament, towards anybody else.

[C]

No.

[A]

But it's not, because literally, here's. And here's why I say this. I can just show up on Saturday after I do my keynote and go lose because I get beat by somebody who's really good. And that's not very difficult.

[B]

Oh, no, not at all.

[A]

I can also go out there, which I'm going to. This is the way I'm going to go out there. I'm going to go out there with the intent to win.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Like, I'm going to go out there with the intent to be on the podium with my hand raised because I got gold. Because I'm getting gold. All right. That's my intent. But if I do that. Cool. It's no different. And I can tell you right now, it will be no harder than the classes I do at Double Five. On a. On at a noon class.

[B]

Oh, no.

[A]

Zero chance.

[B]

Having Zero. To some of those new classes.

[C]

No.

[A]

There's zero chance that any of my matches in a Jiu Jitsu tournament will be close to the beat down that I get at a noon class at Double Five.

[B]

Behind and from Todd and from all those other just like, Brett, Todd, Isaac.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Tom, Tristan, Anthony, Trey, Matt, freaking Joel. Like any of those guys. And I'm sorry if I forgot your name. I forgot your name. Well, then maybe you should beat me down harder.

[B]

You don't have to do that to me.

[C]

Me?

[B]

If I forget your name.

[A]

No, please do. So. You know what I'm saying?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And like, that for me, the Jiu Jitsu tournament is one that.

[A]

It's pushing me outside my comfort zone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For sure. Tournament.

[B]

But I don't, you know, Kirsten was like, is this something that I, you know, you want me to go to? I was like, for. I don't know. Right. Because here's.

[A]

She should. I was like, I think it'll be cool.

[B]

Here's, here's the. Like the. Definitely don't bring the boys. Right. Come on, bro.

[A]

You gotta let your sons watch you.

[B]

Maybe. But I don't know what to expect for the first one.

[A]

Who cares?

[B]

Right? Well, here's the other Thing like they, they don't know right now what rough, what too rough is if it's gonna be her that's there. That's a lot for her to juggle with a nine month old and a two year old that are gonna be at a, at a tournament, even if there are other people that are there.

[A]

My family will be there to help.

[B]

Yep, sure. But I don't know how she's going to react when you've got somebody that it's one thing when.

[A]

Okay, yeah, no, I get it.

[B]

Yeah. When we're at, you know, training and she shows up and she sees me getting just completely smoked by somebody that we know versus.

[A]

Yeah, no, I get it.

[B]

Yeah, somebody else. So. Yeah, so we went to one of her brother's wrestling tournaments and she was like a fit to be tied because the, the guy did like an illegal move and I thought she was going to go out there and fight this 14 year old. Like I was like, okay, okay, yeah, so we don't know, we don't know how that's going to be or where all of those things are. So. But I told her, I was like, listen, my total mat time, if they guarantee me three matches, could be three minutes and, and those three minutes could be a really difficult three minutes to watch. Right. So you know the good thing?

[A]

I will say maybe not as much as you think, because Jiu Jitsu now if it's MMA and you're getting like actually punched and kicked, like that's hard to watch. Yeah, okay, okay, that's fair.

[B]

Yeah, I did some, we did some stupid boxing matches and stuff like that that were part of like charity events and things like that. And in those things I was actually able to hold my own pretty well. So if it was like a stand up boxing match against another guy just off the street, yeah, I would feel pretty good about my chances. Even having not trained this in Jiu Jitsu, my, my Jiu Jitsu IQ is in the negatives.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So like all of these things, I'm like, listen, honey, I don't need you to pay $60 to watch me get beat up when I'm already having to pay that to get beat up. We don't need to double our losses here so that both of us can watch my shame. But like, but that said, like, that's one of those things that like you can, you can sign up and do it.

[A]

It.

[B]

I, My, my goal with running, we talked about like getting, try to get under 24 minutes for 5K.

[A]

Like there's 24 or 21.

[B]

The 24 is, is the goal 21, is that like extra reach? Okay.

[A]

Yeah, got it.

[B]

And then I was talking to Rob and I was like, I actually, I legitimately think I could do a full if I trained. If I trained now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it would be something that, like where the half marathon was. Just make it through.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like the, the full would be to have a, a respectable time. Is that something that you think like in this number one, Is that something that falls into that or is that still like not a, a difficult enough thing for you?

[A]

It's got, it's. That would be.

[B]

Or would it have to be like a specific time and say, hey, you've got to do a full in under three hours?

[A]

No, it's something. I don't know. There's something different. I've got to figure out exactly what it is. Like, I don't know what it is yet.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's what I'm trying to figure out. Yeah.

[B]

I don't know because I know if you, if we did it, are you in or you out? You would do it. Then you would end up doing the full. But whether or not that's really gonna scratch the edge or serve the purpose to be like the thing that, that pushes you, because it's one of the things that I'm considering, like, hey, is that something that I want to do this year? And just to check that box and be like, yeah, and now I'm not gonna put the sticker on my back window like a twerp.

[A]

I'll put it on your car.

[B]

I'm gonna slash your tires.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

No, that's. It's just, it's one of those things that, like that if I, if I did it, then maybe. But I don't know. I'm with you. I gotta find something that really gets me outside of my comfort zone to, From a physical standpoint other than just backpacking was.

[A]

It was a step off for me. Like, I will say it kick started this. Like, okay, so I'm in a group.

[B]

Better shape with a purpose.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I'm in a group text with, with Tyron, Pastor Chris and Mike Mitchell, Pastor Tyrone, Pastor Chris and Mike from our backpacking trip.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And Pastor Chris sent a picture of this out of a book. And I'll read it to everybody. I said, the Lord took Abraham outside and said to him, look up into the sky and count the stars if you can. That's how many descendants you will have. It's easy to read right over what happened here. But this was a defining moment. Notice Abraham was inside the tent one minute and outside the next. What difference did that make? As long as Abraham was inside his tent, he was staring at an eight foot ceiling. The second he stepped outside the sky was the limit. God was saying in no uncertain terms, quit putting an eight foot ceiling on what I can do. Quit putting man made ceilings on my sovereignty. It's never too little and it's never too late. And then it says the three day effect. There is a phenomenon in science called the three day effect. It takes three days in the wild to reset your brain. According to cognitive neuroscience scientist David Strayer, after three days in the wild, our ability to problem solve escalates. So does inductive, I'm sorry, inductive reasoning. When we get outside the tent, it's easier to think outside the box. We start noticing everyday mirror miracles. And then Pastor Chris said, the Lord is speaking the three day effect. Time to get him in the wild. Happy New Year, man. Grateful for each of you. So I was just like, like, I was like, that's awesome. I was like, I was literally thinking about this the last night, wanting to do a quick hiking getaway trip to make up for the last one. And that's out of. That was out of a book called A Million Little Miracles by Mark Batterson.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Have you read that book?

[B]

I have not. Mark's an interesting guy though. He's. I think he's the one who wrote the In a pit with a sword and the lion and a snow leopard. That's the one you were reading.

[A]

I'm so bad with names.

[B]

Yeah, but, but you know, you know.

[A]

What I'm talking about.

[C]

Yeah. Yep.

[B]

So it's, it is fascinating to see like what happens when you do get out in a little bit and exit out of your comfort zone. Because it does. Cause you and I, I think one of the things it does is it realigns you with, not to sound too ethereal, it realigns you with your place in the universe, with your own personal, not just limitations, but significance.

[A]

Yeah, it's great.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And that's a really important thing because we get stuck, especially when we're in offices day in and day out and then we're in leadership positions and everything depends on us for whether it's running a certain aspect of a company or running a larger thing. And as much as we decentralized command or whatever, like even those people that we've decentralized command to, even if they could step up and do our jobs, they're still dependent upon us. They're still.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, asking us questions and doing those kind of things and getting into nature and realizing you're not that big.

[A]

You're nothing, actually.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Pretty. Pretty much like everything around you is not dependent upon you at all. If anything, they are worse off for you being in this place right now, doing the things that you're doing.

[A]

And there's a.

[B]

It's one of those things that's just kind of like.

[A]

Yeah. And it's like you get yourself injured out in the backcountry.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You could die. Like, you literally can die out there. And so it's a good opportunity to go out into the wild, into the wilderness, and just recognize how big the world is, how good God is, and all the things that he's created and just have that reset of just not having this stupid piece of technology with you at all times, you know, being able to actually just turn it off and. And, you know, get away. Just getting away. So.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, man.

[A]

So that's two things I'd like to do, you know, and there's other things that, with Amanda and I, we've talked about a few things that her and I would like to do and focus on a few things with the kids, but, like, nothing. Nothing that I'm putting on, like, this big 2025 list.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But, you know, it's funny I say that, but I also have, like, continual to do lists that I have. Like, I always have stuff that I'm working on and doing. So I guess. I guess that would be the answer to your question is I. I have those to do lists almost all the time running.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So it's not like I just do.

[B]

One for the year, which I think is a. Is a better. Like we talked about at the very beginning, to call it back. That's a better way to do it. Don't. Don't wait till Sunday or Monday or January 1st. Like, those are arbitrary dates and times. It's all stuff that we made up. So, yeah. That tomorrow is. Is a great time to start. Today is even better.

[A]

Seth Stone's brother Alex was with me recently. He. Him and his family spent the weekend with us, and it was absolutely incredible. Yeah, I wish I could have. Get.

[B]

This is Chaplain Alex.

[A]

Yeah, Chaplain Alex Stone. It would have been great to have him on the podcast, but, you know, we'll do it over zoom. He said in the future it would be really cool. I forget, you know, when you're not around somebody, you forget how brilliant they are. And Seth was So insanely brilliant. And Alex is just insanely brilliant that I was like, I mean, he has three master's degrees. One of them is in theology. And also he studies Hebrew so that he can actually like read the original text. Have the true. Yeah, just wait until he gets on. You guys are. It's gonna. It's gonna be awesome. But he was telling me I forgot this, and because he's. I do you know Seth had this. I'm like, no, because I hadn't thought of it forever. And then as the more we talked about, I was like, I do remember Seth talking about stuff like this, but I didn't know he had an actual list. Seth had a fear list list. Things that he was afraid of, things that he was like, nope, I don't like that he put it on that. And then he'd make himself do something off that list.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

So when we went through sqt, Seth was terrified of jumping.

[B]

Really?

[A]

I have a video of us. I'm sorry. I have a picture of. It's Seth, myself, and another one of my buddies. It's in our first platoon. We're in the airplane getting ready to go jumps and like, him and I are just like cracking jokes, having fun, trying to make Seth feel better because he was just like terrified nervous. And then he turns into this big skydiving guy. And so, yeah, he had a fearless. And if it was on the list, then he would go do it.

[B]

That's crazy, man.

[A]

Yeah, pretty. So pretty awesome. Maybe we should all create fearless.

[B]

All right. I can't think of anything I'm afraid of success.

[A]

It's like people like, I don't cry. I've never cried before.

[B]

The only thing I'm afraid of is more success.

[A]

The only thing I'm afraid of is.

[B]

Being better than I'm already self sabotage.

[A]

I might be so good that I go in reverse.

[C]

Boy.

[A]

All right, I'm gonna close it out. Some final thoughts, but just want to thank you guys for all the support each. This one's gonna have like zero listeners that actually listen all the way through. So I don't even know why I'm doing this.

[B]

You know what? I. I guarantee you that on Friday this is going to be our most listened to episode of 2025. You're right.

[A]

Now, completion wise, I don't even know if anybody's at this point.

[B]

Who knows?

[A]

Whatever. All right, we're going to wrap it up.

[B]

Thanks for sticking with us.

[A]

Appreciate all of you guys that are. Yes. That are actually still here for all. All the people that are listening, sharing, subscribing, commenting. Make sure you're subscribed to us on YouTube so you can be notified when the different YouTube exclusive episodes come out. We appreciate you guys spreading the word. If you want to follow us on social media, I am at JP Dennell, 2Ns, 2L's Lucas is at Lucas Record. L U C A S P I N C K A R D. Make sure you're also following Echelon Front on social media. We are at Echelon front. Go to our website echelonfront.com check out what we have going on. The different events, different merchandise that we have. Look, hopefully seeing you guys at a muster coming up. We have the next muster is going to be in San Diego in February and I mean it's like it's already 80 something percent sold out. And after the muster there's a one day after FTX only for muster attendees.

[B]

So it makes me want to make a trip to San Antonio or not. San Antonio, San Diego, San Diego. I'd rather go to San Diego. To San Antonio.

[A]

That's a unique location. But we are also going to have a mustard in San Antonio.

[B]

Yeah, that's probably what was on the brain because we're not in Dallas this year.

[C]

Yep.

[A]

Nope. Also check out Jesus and Jiu Jitsu. It's a ministry that I'm a part of on Instagram. It's at Jesus and Jiu Jitsu Underscore usa. We have a podcast that comes out out with episodes every Tuesday. We're doing different events about every four to six weeks at different gyms. Start off with a free jujitsu seminar. Someone shares their testimony and then we open it up for some open mat and some good training. Make sure you check out Little Cattle company.

[B]

Get that beef.

[A]

Oh man.

[B]

Come on, baby.

[A]

Caught you slacking.

[B]

I'm just kidding.

[A]

Our website is littlecattle Co. It's a Texas beef company that I'm a partner of with Stephen Little, his wife, my wife. We're a custom beef company that allows you to order exactly what you want anytime we're able to deliver anywh in the lower 48 states. I know we have been sold out of almost all of our stuff recently. It was crazy.

[B]

The holidays that it's. It's back in. Yeah, we're in stocked.

[A]

We are doing it today. So that's why. Yeah, so it's going to be back in stock. So when you're listening to this we will have probably all of our stuff still in stock unless people go on there and just wipe us out like.

[B]

They did over freaking. Do it. Christmas and New Year, we dare you all to wipe, wipe, wipe out little.

[A]

Cattle co. Yeah, it's frustrating.

[B]

It's your 2025 challenge.

[A]

Yeah, exactly.

[B]

Keep. Keep the beef out.

[A]

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[B]

Says you.

[A]

Well, I can tell you. Says the business. Yeah. When you're sold out, you can't sell more stuff, so that's what I've heard.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not a. Yeah, that's how my Etsy. We're working through that.

[B]

My Etsy page is totally sold out.

[A]

We're working through all those.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Problems. You could call them opportunities.

[B]

Good opportunity.

[A]

It has been good opportunities.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

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[B]

Quick note about the beef tallow products. So Levi is like me. He's got real sensitive skin, and so he gets, like, the little. The little bumps that's like. It's not eczema, but it's also, like, not good.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The doctor was like, put aquifer on it. Put aquifer on it. Put aquifer on it. Aquafer, like, built a barrier. Great for diaper rash. Was not doing anything for his face and his arms.

[A]

Nope.

[B]

Took a little bit of the. The beef tallow with the lavender in it, which is just like, a hint. It's not like, super strong arms and legs. Doc was like, hey, so did the aquifer work? We're like, actually, no beef tallow. This is it. Get it. And she was like, I will have to recommend this to some of our other people.

[A]

She does.

[B]

It's.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It worked tremendously for our kids.

[C]

Kid.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So thanks.

[A]

That's awesome.

[B]

Thanks for that.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, we've. Yo. Well, one, you're welcome. And two, we've heard that from so.

[B]

Many folks, I'm sure.

[A]

Dozens and dozens. Like Lily Dozens.

[B]

I use it as after shave, especially after I'm like, slice my face all up because my face doesn't like to be shaved right now. My baby face has been protected by this for so long.

[A]

Looks good, man.

[B]

But it. It also seals up all the. All the cuts without burning and stuff.

[A]

It's great.

[B]

So good.

[A]

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[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And the, the Mocto boot.

[B]

Come on, baby.

[A]

And the socks I had were the darn tough socks.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So those are made in America as well, up in Vermont, I believe. And so I was like, I'm 100American made.

[B]

That's beautiful.

[A]

It's just awesome. And yeah, even like wearing the boots, you know, those Mocto boots are freaking comfortable. I was able to go for a two mile rock with a 45 pound goruck bag on last night and just, just like, all right, cool.

[B]

Just get after it. Yeah, I. I do a lot of stuff in my. My lugs that they. The Origin lug boots.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Even with the. The composite toe, they're super comfortable, dude.

[A]

They're awesome. So I love their gear.

[B]

So still going.

[A]

Appreciate all. Everything that they do and all of you guys, all the listeners that support them as well. Also, we have to give a little shout out to Half Face Blades.

[B]

Come on, man.

[A]

My buddy Andy there and just everything that he has created from a company standpoint. Point is unreal.

[B]

I mean, we got to get Andy on.

[A]

I know we've talked about. I was talking with him over Christmas and I'm probably going to see him next week when I'm in San Diego. But I mean, what he's done from a business standpoint is unreal. So I. I remember. I remember the little shed.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

In his backyard of San Diego when he first started making the knives. Like, it's crazy.

[B]

That's wild.

[A]

It's absolutely crazy. I have.

[B]

And now people are like, literally fighting.

[A]

Over them and they sell out so quick, you know, and, you know, just. He's such a good human and the support he's given me over all the years. And, you know, we have some knives from Half Face Blades for the Bruiser arm kits. Echelon Front has some knives. You know, Origin's done some collabs with him as well. And, you know, you got me a beautiful knife for the one year anniversary of the podcast. You know, it's just all this stuff. You know, I was thinking the other night about just the evolution of his business.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, I have. I took a picture, I pulled him out and I sent them. I sent this picture to Andy and I'll show you real quick. I got these for the girls when he first started, and I was. Dude, I could barely afford to get these.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I got these for the girls. Look at the old original logo.

[B]

Oh, wow. I have never seen that.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

So the original logo was a half a lion face.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's cool. Dude, those are. Those are gorgeous. Even though they are pink, they're. They're beautiful and cute.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love the. The sheaths, also the. The Kydex camera.

[A]

But it's crazy when you look at that.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Versus. And those are awesome. When I got them.

[B]

Oh. And then, like, there's high level of craftsmanship in those blades.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But then when you look at the current ones, you're like.

[B]

Like, it's evolved.

[A]

Holy cow.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So I sent him that and anyways, had a Good conversation with him on Christmas over FaceTime.

[B]

That's cool.

[A]

It was pretty cool.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So, you know, as we close out this episode and as we kick off the year, I would say my closing thoughts are just go out there and keep doing the work. If you fall off the path, no factor. Don't take yourself too serious. Don't take whatever you're doing too serious, but take it serious enough to go out there and do the work and keep getting after it every single day so that you can be a better version of who you are for your family, for your business, for your friends, for your community, whoever it is, right? We, we need to be out there striving to be a better version. So push yourself daily and get yourself in uncomfortable situations daily for growth. But if you do have a slip up, if you do have a little moment where you fall off the path and you're not doing what you should be doing, okay, dust off, get back on the path, recalibrate yourself and like re engage, get back in the fight and, and, and keep pushing forward. Because the worst thing you can do is, is quit, is to fully quit on yourself. To quit on your family, your, your community, your business and the people around you. So I hope this episode has been a reminder to go do the work needed needed to put in the effort and to never settle. This has been the JP Dennell podcast, episode 67.