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The Art of Self Rescue | Pressing Forward | Ret. Navy SEAL Randy Rozzell | JP Dinnell Podcast 069
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P Dinnell sits down with Retired Navy SEAL Randy Rozzell to talk about the importance of self defense and how learning combatives saves lives. American Warrior Combatives: https://www.awctactical.com/ More from JP Dinnell:...
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Randy Roselle
This course saved my life. Wow. And that right there was, you know, probably the biggest validation that I had of the course when I got people telling me that it saved their life. Because in today's world, no one's coming to help you. You have to expect a self rescue.
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JP Donnell
Good morning, this is the JP Donnell podcast, episode 69. I am JP Donnell and as always, I have Lucas with me. Today we have the honor of sitting down with one of my frogman brothers, Randy Roselle. Randy had an incredible 22 years of service to our beautiful nation. Started off as a Navy corpsman with the Marines and then became a seal after September 11, 2001. Randy has multiple combat deployments, mostly to the war torn area of Afghanistan. Shortly after I left Trade it and had been actually one of the instructors that put Randy and his guys through training. Randy was selected as Seal Team 7, NSWG G1 and War Comp Seal of the Year in 2012. Which is incredible if you think about being able to have all of those things associated to an individual. And I remember Randy going through training and I remember his guys and Randy was a stud. Randy has always been a stud and he's one of those guys that was older than me in the teams, but I looked up to him and, you know, was just a really good human. He was a good frogman. Now Randy and I, we might talk about this later. There's a difference between a Navy SEAL and a frogman. Everyone who completes BUDS is a Navy seal, but not everyone is a frogman and Randy is a frogman. Randy also became the leading chief for Naval Special Warfare Combatives Department for three years from 2014. Sorry. So from 2013 to 2016, he formed the current Combatives instructor and combatives program that the SEAL teams are using today. Which is awesome because when I was at trade at working for Jocko, one of Jocko's big thing was changing the combatives program that they had in place. Because while it was good, it wasn't what we needed as war fighters, as gunfighters, it's not what we needed. And you know, Jocko took a lot of heat for that. But once guys realized what was more effective, they got on board and then it continued to evolve like things in the SEAL teams do. Innovate and adapt is a real thing. What we teach at Echelon Front. And the reason why we teach it is because it's what we have been doing in the SEAL team since the very beginning of our days. And it's because of good seals, good frogmen like Randy. That said, hey, this is a great program. I'm going to make it even better. And he did that and we can dive into that because I know he also had to go against the higher ups that were trying to shut things down and make things softer. And Randy said, no, we need things to be harder, more efficient, more effective so that our men can come home. And he did that. And I think it's awesome. And you know, because Randy likes to take it easy. When he retired from the SEAL teams, he decided, hey, you know what? I'm going to become a firefighter and a paramedic with San Diego Fire and rescue from 2016 to 2022. So instead of just retiring and enjoying his well earned and deserved retirement, he decided to become a full time firefighter and paramedic and also decided that, hey, you know, on the side of firefighting, he the American Warrior Combatives program, which is where he was teaching self defense and tactical shooting. And Lucas, you know, I have a huge place of in my heart for that type of just getting after in life. Also, because Randy decides that he's going to better himself every single day and every single thing that he does, he decided that he wanted to get his master's degree in organizational leadership. He is also a legitimate Brazilian Jiu Jitsu black belt. You know, it's cool because I saw him for the first time in over 13 years at Double 5 Jiu Jitsu training under Farmiga. And I had heard from other guys like, hey man, there's this team guy that's training here, he's a seal. And I'm like, really? I was like, man, I think I would know about like another SEAL in the area. But, you know, because there's this little network of seals in this area that reach out. But I was like, all right, cool, whatever. They said his name, Randy. I'm like, Randy. I'm like, do you guys know his last name? Because Randy's a pretty common name. And you know, I was asking him and this was funny. Like I was asking guys to describe Randy and, you know, short, stocky, tattoos. I just started laughing because that's how like everybody would describe most team guys. Like, let me guess, G shock watch and flip flops. Like, it was like another describer. But when I met Randy and we started talking, I was like, yes. I remembered him from when I was at trade at. I remember him coming through training with his guys and I just remember just the stud he was SEAL teams. And I was fired up he was at for me because then I remember asking him like, hey, are you training here full time? Like, I don't know. I'm just trying it out, just kind of seeing what's going on. And I. I had a little bit of anxiety because I was selfishly, I'm like, no, you need to train here. And I remember telling him, like, no, you need to talk to Firmee about you getting here full time, man. Because I know you had also been training at another gym and actually teaching at another gym, and, you know, rightfully so you were looking to be able to do that, and you realized, okay, hey, while I can do that, I want to do that, man. I really want to be training here at Double five. And so Randy became a member of Double five Jiu Jitsu under Formigo full time. And it's an honor for me to be able to say, he's also one of my black belts that I get to train under. And every time we train, he absolutely smashes me. I. You know, I'm sorry. That was rude. Lucas, he is one of our black belts. I apologize. Oh, yeah, because, you know, you're in that jujitsu game training. You got a tournament coming up. I do, yeah. We both do. So, Randy, thank you for every time you smash me on the mats of justice. Thank you for your incredible service. Thank you for being a great example to the Seal teams. Thank you for representing the Seal teams. Thank you for being a great American, and above all that, thank you for being a man of God that leads his family and loves the Lord, is a flawed man like all of us, and knows that, yet lives his life humbly and tries to better himself and more importantly, try to better the people around him. And actually, I should remove that word try, because you do that with what you do with your current company, with what you do for Jiu Jitsu and how you lead your family. So thank you for the time this morning. How are you?
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Randy Roselle
Oh, good, good. Thanks for having me on the show. I really appreciate it, jp and it's been great to reconnect after all these years.
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JP Donnell
Oh, it's crazy.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
So, yeah, so today I really want us to talk about how you reformed American Warrior battles back in March of last year. You're building that business full time, which is awesome. I know you and I have talked about what we're doing at Bruiser Arms and Echelon Front, and there's just so much overlap. You know, I got a text message from somebody, and they're like, hey, you know, I don't know if this is, like, in competition with what you got going on. And I just replied, one team, one fight.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
Because at the end of the day, hey, there's enough people that need leadership, that need combatives, that need all those things. And you're doing what, what you're doing is at such a high level and different than what we're doing at Bruiser Arms. And there is no reason why we can't work together on stuff. And when we have a big thing like, guess what? We're bringing Randy in.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
Like, hey, we got a thing going on. And. And so I just, I think it's awesome, just the community of people that we get to surround ourselves with some incredible humans in the DFW because of Jiu Jitsu. And you probably know who I'm talking about. These guys are awesome. They're. They love what you do. But let's. Where do we want to start? I mean, there's so many places I want to go with this one. Lucas. I'm really excited.
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Lucas Pinkard
Well, so Randy and I got to. To chat a little bit beforehand and I, I did my norm. I went through my NCC questionnaire to make sure that I got all the. Let's get. NCCs are non commissioned civilians.
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Randy Roselle
Oh, okay.
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Lucas Pinkard
I, I'm probably, you know, an ncc. Seven of the non commissioned civilians. Right. I got a board review coming up.
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Randy Roselle
Okay.
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Lucas Pinkard
All right. Yeah. The shrimp fork board is going to give me almost. I'm.
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JP Donnell
Stop. Yeah.
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Lucas Pinkard
So we, we've got, we got a ton of stuff that we could get into. I, I'm really curious, though, about the combative side of things. We've had some people who have come on that have talked. That have talked combatives. We've had some people like Ben, who teaches combatives to law enforcement, different agencies.
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JP Donnell
So he teaches close quarters combat, which is different than combatives.
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Lucas Pinkard
So that's, that's.
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JP Donnell
We want to expand upon. Exactly. And understand the difference. I.
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Lucas Pinkard
So y' all are talking about that. I'm thinking Ben with the CQC stuff, and then there's all these other areas. It seems like what you're doing is different than that. So for somebody like me who's completely outside of that. Right. Talk to me about, like, what combatives is.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
So before Randy gets started, I just want our listeners to understand the difference. And I know Randy's going to dive into this. Perfect. So close quarters combat. CQC is when you're like moving through a building. Okay. And that's what police officers do. That's what we would teach the SWAT guys. We Would teach the team guys like, hey, there's a hostage rescue situation or hey, there's a bad guy in the building. How do you enter building? How do you flow? You know, through all these different ways? There's different methods and there's different systems for going fast, going slow, ramping it up. You remember the hybrid system that we had in the SEAL teams. Hard, slow, hard, slow, hard, slow as you're flowing through a building. And, and so the, the combatives is actually like, hey, what do you, what type of fighting system are you using with your weapon and, or your hands? And also what falls under combatives, which Randy has just what he's doing is incredible, is the self defense aspect of it, like home defense, self defense. Hey, my daughters are out at the movie and some dude like tries to act like a fool. Well, guess what? There you can have your daughters or your kid, your sons or whoever, you and your wife, whoever's listening, go through a program with Randy. So you're going to know how to de, escalate a situation, break contact. And then also it ramps all the way up to like, okay, cool, you're doing that at home. Hey, where's, where are your weapons? He'll go into houses and say and like teach people how to use their house properly. That's why I'm like really excited about this. These are the things that I love that I know people need. There's so much value here. So I just wanted our listeners to understand the difference. And while what Ben Wallach does is incredible, but he's focused on teaching law enforcement. Now, Randy can do that.
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Randy Roselle
Right.
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JP Donnell
But Randy's focused on, okay, hey, cool, we got law enforcement. Yeah, they need training. But the everyday, like citizen, everyday person that's living here in America, like, wants to know like, okay, if somebody breaks in my house, what do I do?
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Lucas Pinkard
Yep.
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JP Donnell
And so he'll do assessments over houses and businesses and, and, and help them understand the difference. So I know you're getting ready to expand up, but after we do that, we'll go back to like your childhood a little bit. Like who made Randy who he is. So be thinking about that as you're talking.
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Randy Roselle
Sure. So you know, jp, you know, is team guys. First and foremost, we solve our problems with smart tactics, weapons and teamwork. Yep. Right. But then the unlikely event that my buddy's, you know, in his own fight or holding long or got his own thing going on and my weapon's down and I get in a fight, I better have some damn fight skills.
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JP Donnell
Yes.
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Randy Roselle
Right. So. And that's where Combatives comes in. So Combatives is the hand to hand fighting system that seals use to get back to a weapon, right?
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JP Donnell
Yep.
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Randy Roselle
So what, what we did there at, at Combatives and we took, you know, kind of the mixed martial arts approach. We combined six martial arts, American boxing, wrestling, judo, muay Thai, jiu jitsu, and Filipino martial arts, Fma Kali, when it came to the knife. And we, we mixed these things together to, we took the most effective techniques from them with a kit to teach operators how to fight and get back to a weapon and then regain situational awareness and then assess where the next threat is coming. So I took those same principles that we would teach operators during the Combatives course. When I got out and formed American Warrior Combatives, I'm like, hey, the techniques aren't that different. Sometimes the end goal is different. Like for an operator, it's all about us getting home too. Right? However, we have to continue mission and continue the clearance. For civilians, it's hey, I just got to get home safe. Like my daughter, she's just got to get home safe. My wife, she's just got to get home safe. So what I like to do is take, you know, a man who could be a husband or a father and teach him how to defend himself better, teach him how to protect his home. Or take that mom or that single woman who, you know, maybe their husband travels well, how would they defend their self in their home? How do they feel safer in the target parking lot? You know, my daughter just graduated college. My oldest, you know, what if she was in her dorm and she woke up with a guy on top of her? You know, how would she defend herself? Right? And these things happen. So all those skills that, you know, I learned during the SEAL teams and developed during the SEAL teams, I thought, okay, well how can I take these and share them with other people to help empower them, to give them the confidence and the skills that they need just to get home safe or protect their homes and their families. So that's, you know, that's kind of what I'm doing with American Warrior Combatives. I teach companies too. You know, I've gone in, I've taught corporate companies, I've helped them make their own security teams, internal security teams. You know, I've taught them active shooter, I've taught self defense, I've done some self defense seminars for corporations. And where I really think it's good is, you know, I taught a corporation last, last year where instead of coming in and doing trust falls and things like that, Right. They came in and they, they did, they did self defense and the agents brought in their clients and. Yeah, so it was really cool. So what they did was when the agents brought in their clients, well, when they're paired up together and they're having to trust each other, like not to actually hit each other in the face and do a technique, they found that afterwards when we went and got lunch together, that they really trusted each other. Because you're trusting somebody to not hurt you. Not just like catch you when you close your eyes and fall backwards, but for two hours, not hurt you. And you're learning a skill together that's applicable, that you can go home and use that day and then go home and show your family. I do that too with companies, but I find what I do really rewarding. To take a husband or a father or just a man, you know, or a wife, a mother, a sister and give them the skills to protect themselves, their homes and their families better is really something fun, you know, give them the confidence, you know, because in today's world, no one's coming to help you. You have to expect a self rescue. And if, you know, if, if you don't know how to do that, you know, you're kind of behind the power curve. And a lot of people just kind of live in that la la land of it. It won't happen to me or, you know, and I just, I, I try to prepare them, you know, I always want my daughters coming home safe, you know, and my wife.
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JP Donnell
Yeah.
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Lucas Pinkard
You know, and you're right, nobody's coming to help you, but there are going to be plenty of people who pull out their cell phones and video everything that happens.
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Randy Roselle
Look at that poor lady that was just burned to death in New York. Right? From the illegal immigrant that was on the train. Like people filmed him light her on fire. Yeah.
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JP Donnell
Every single one of those people should be charged.
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Randy Roselle
I agree.
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JP Donnell
Every single person that stood there and did nothing should be charged. And if you filmed it, you should be going to jail because guess what? You're an accomplice. You are like you helped.
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Lucas Pinkard
Yeah, there's, there's no failure to render aid law there that, you know, prevents that or that, that has a legal precedent to, to do that.
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JP Donnell
But that's, and who cares? Even if there was. Well, do the right thing.
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Lucas Pinkard
Yeah, but that's, that's the thing that, what's, what's crazy to me is that we're having to do those kinds of things. We're having to legislate being morally good people. And it's obviously we're seeing that, that it's failing, which is why I'm glad a company like yours exists and why you're doing what you're doing.
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JP Donnell
Well, we're gonna, as a nation, see some things shifting very quickly.
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Randy Roselle
I, I certainly. Oh, I can't wait. I just hope he gets in the office safe. You know, I hope nobody tries to assassinate him before. Yeah, he gets there. But I'm, I'm super excited. I'm super excited for him to take office. I hope we have four years of him and I hope we've got eight years advance. Afterwards, we get our nation back on track and get rid of this woke mess.
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JP Donnell
You know, Matt's, you know, you know, this is the first time ever our podcast has gone that direction and opened up that door. But I don't care. Like, I don't, I don't care anymore. Like, our nation needs leadership more than ever. And our nation needs morality more than ever. Our nation needs men and women equipped to lead their families and to take care of themselves. And we need a nation that doesn't put up with the BS anymore. Like, stop attacking our children, stop ruining our economy, stop weakening our systems. Like, what's happening in California right now is unreal. Yeah, the lack of leadership there is unreal. So I figured you were probably excited for that shift and not as a political statement, but just as an American. Like, as an American, you've got to be fed up.
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Randy Roselle
Someone that loves this country, that served this country, you know, like you did, and that, you know, wants my children to grow up in the, you know, the same type of America, even though times change, but the same type of America that I did and have the same opportunities, you know, that you and I grew up with, you know, that's, that's what I want. I just grew up loving this country and loving what it, what it stood for. And I want, I'd like us to return to that, you know, as a nation. You know, one of the things, I'm a Texas licensed to carry instructor too, you know, and I, you know, I teach the tactical firearms and everything else because, you know, as a self defense instructor, most self defense attacks happen within 7 to 10ft, right? So if you don't know how to get back to that weapon within 7 to 10ft, you know, about the 21 foot rule, you know, you better have some skills that allow you to get back to that weapon, right? Especially if most self defense attacks happen that closely. But you know, I tell people during my license security courses that, you know, we do not have a legal duty to act. But then I question them. I'm like, do we have a moral duty? You know, so it's just something to think about for the licensed to carry owners out there for, you know, the men and the women that, you know, actually know how to defend themselves. And, you know, sometimes it's best to be a good witness. Yeah. And sometimes as a person, you know, how much evil are you going to stand by and watch? You know, who was it? Edmund Burke? All it takes for evil for triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing. Yeah. So yes, sir.
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Lucas Pinkard
Yeah. That's all of that is. It's so not just like important for people to know and to realize, but to see like where we're at with all of it. Right. Over the last several years, we've seen the looting, we've seen home invasions and things like that where people have just been instructed to do nothing. Like just let them have what they're going to have and insurance will take care of it or that kind of thing, which first off we know is an absolute myth. Right. But, but second is that the idea that it's not going to happen to me has, I think just within like the cultural zeitgeist, it's being pushed further and further back into somebody's mind because now it's no longer that this couldn't happen to me, it's like if this does happen to me, I'm not allowed to do anything. And then, you know, what, what you were talking about, like this idea that we have to look at legal and moral as different things is so important for us because the legal, the thing that's going to protect you the most legally in so many instances is actually the most morally abhorrent thing that you could do when it comes to not just helping your fellow man out, but doing the right thing for yourself and your family. Yeah.
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Randy Roselle
So that's different for every person.
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JP Donnell
Yeah, absolutely.
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Randy Roselle
Because we all have, we all have different skills. Right. Like there's things I'm willing to do that I wouldn't ask my wife willing to do. One of my, one of my clients that I teach and this is, I think this is a really good kind of point. Right before Christmas he had a brand new GMC 2500 Denali sweet. Right. And his, he, he lives in Dallas and he has a two story home, very, very nice home. He's a retired anesthesiologist and served in the army and has taken some private shooting lessons from me. Cool. Well, he got his truck stolen out of his driveway. You know, so if, I'll put this quick tip out here. If you live in it, if you drive a very nice vehicle and you live in an area where, you know there's construction crews around, use your manual locks because they're intercepting the fob signals. So when you go to lock your car at night, use your manual locks, don't use your FOB signal. So what he had done was there was, you know, somebody intercepted his fob signal. So about 2:00 in the morning, on his phone, he got an alert saying that his truck door was open. He's like, well, that's weird. So he walks out and he's on his balcony, he's got his AR and there's two guys breaking into his truck, stealing his truck. And he's 70 years old. His daughter and his grandkids were visiting and staying in the room underneath him. And he was like, Randy, he's like, I need to know what you think. He goes, you know, I told my friends what happened. And his friends are his age and they're like, they're all like, oh, man, I would have blasted those guys. I would have totally shot him. And blah, blah, blah.
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JP Donnell
Okay, right.
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Randy Roselle
And he's like, you know, I'm feeling bad about. He's like, I didn't engage them, I just let my truck get stolen. And he's like, what do you, what do you think about that? I said, you know, his name's Alan. He's a great guy. I said, alan, first and foremost, we're providers and protectors. You protected your daughter and your grandkids from what could have happened. I'm like, if they had started returning fire because you don't know if they're armed or not, right? And they start sending rounds into your home and your daughter and your grandkids happen to get shot over a truck that your insurance company is going to replace. He's like, that was exactly what was going on in my mind. He was like, so I just let him take it. I'm like, had they tried to break into your house and broke the threshold of your house, were you prepared to engage them? He was like, 100%? Absolutely. I'm like, okay, then, so you weren't willing to take a life over a material possession in your driveway? He was like, I wasn't. Because, you know, my daughter and my grandkids were there. I'm like, you did the exact right thing.
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JP Donnell
Yes, yes, 100%.
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Lucas Pinkard
And when you alert OnStar, right, the the reds and blues are going to be right with them on the highway as soon as that thing gets going right.
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Randy Roselle
And I haven't seen him since.
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Lucas Pinkard
Yeah.
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Randy Roselle
So I need to ask him if they found his truck yet. Literally, it was like two days, like after it happened and he was still pretty distraught. I'm like, man, you don't feel bad about that for one more second. You did the exact right thing. You protected them from what could have happened.
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Lucas Pinkard
Exactly.
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JP Donnell
This is why people should be training. This is why you should train so that you can think hard. Training and good training allows you to detach from your emotions and think, Think logically. That's what you taught him how to do. You taught him how to think. And when people are detached from their emotions and they're able to think, they make good decisions. And he made the best decision. And I, that there are people that are listening. Be like, I would have blasted those guys. No, first off, no, you wouldn't have. I, I will put all my money in my savings account. That saying, like, all the guys that are like, I would have blasted them. No, they would not have. Because one, they don't train and two, they've never been in that situation. It's really easy to say, I would have done this until you've ever been in that situation. I got into some pretty heated discussions. Not arguments, but just discussions with friends that are like, oh, this is what I do. I'm like, no, you wouldn't. And they're like, well, yeah. I'm like, no, you wouldn't. You don't train. You've never done stress induced training. You sitting on the five yard line at the, at the shooting range. Shooting a paper target with your Glock is completely different than being stressed out and having something actually happen to you. And then you try to make a decision. Like, it's crazy.
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Lucas Pinkard
One of the stories you've told that stands out to me about this in particular was when you were doing training with a, I think it was a group of guys or a company, and they were like, oh, well, I would just do this. And then you started pushing one of the guys.
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JP Donnell
Oh, yeah.
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Lucas Pinkard
To see whether or not he would. So not only could he not draw his weapon, but he never thought to push back to get space, not once. And, and how many guys did you do that to before they were in that group?
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JP Donnell
I can't remember. I mean, like, everybody. And then we kept, you know, like, and then we kept ramping it up. And then one of the times I just grabbed the guy's Hand on his gun and wouldn't let him do it. And he didn't even think, like, push me away or punch me or do anything. And I was, like, slapping him.
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Lucas Pinkard
Yeah, because you're fixated on, like, that thing. Right?
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JP Donnell
That's why training is critical, and we're so lucky. The background that we came up in, because all these things that we know to do, most of them subconsciously, is because of the environment. And that's why companies.
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Randy Roselle
We were stressed, Inoculated.
- [27:01]
JP Donnell
Yes. Yeah. We need more companies to understand what Randy's teaching. Now. There's companies out there that provide great training, but that's the difference of. Of a frogman running a training company is just knowing. And, bro, you saved that guy from a major lawsuit. You know what I mean? Like, there's a major lawsuit that's gonna. I don't care who sounds like, oh, you're in Texas. Guess what? They're. They're still. Somebody's gonna come after you. Yeah, somebody's gonna come after you. You're gonna have a ridiculous amount of legal fees over a truck. And more importantly. And I want to reiterate this, more importantly, like, what Randy said his daughter and grandkids were downstairs. He's shooting from a balcony. He has an elevated position. He has the advantage in the gunfight.
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Randy Roselle
Yes.
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JP Donnell
These guys are thugs that are breaking into a vehicle. Do you think they're gonna be scanning and look around for an elevated shooting position? Or you think they're just gonna start returning fire? Like the guys we dealt with overseas, like, just shooting over their head, like.
- [27:55]
Randy Roselle
Running away, spraying and praying by fire, all that.
- [27:59]
JP Donnell
Yeah. So. Man, that's crazy. Well, dude, I am super proud of your client, man.
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Lucas Pinkard
For.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah, me too. Yeah.
- [28:05]
Lucas Pinkard
That's a success story.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah. That's why I wanted to mention him here today. Like, he's. Yeah. Well, if he's so proud of him and.
- [28:13]
JP Donnell
Yeah, I hope he listens to somehow, because I want him to know, like, it's not just Randy that's proud of you, man. There's a lot of. And I know a lot of our listeners that align with your thought process. I guess I should say the three of our. Our thought process and our values are going to be like, bro, like, that's freaking incredible. And we need. We need more people to be able to humble themselves and go through hard training. Like, you provide.
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Randy Roselle
And this is one other thing I brought up to him. I'm like, even though he served in the army, you know, he was a doctor in the army. Yeah. And I'M like, alan, have you ever shot anyone? He was like, no. I'm like, okay, you know, I have J.P. you have most civilians. That's not anything that they want to live with.
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JP Donnell
No, right. No.
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Randy Roselle
You know, you and I trained a lot and we were in combat. And that's a different situation, being in combat than being back here. Right. And, you know, you and I can separate that most now he doesn't have to, you know, know what that's like for the rest of his life and think about, you know, what, you know, what that would be like had he not. If he just let them take the truck. Now he's got to. Now he, you know, did I murder those guys? You know, was I, was I justified? He doesn't have to live with that because he did the right thing. Yeah.
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JP Donnell
You know, and let's also take into consideration, which I know you know this, but I want our listeners to think about this, the effect that would have had on his daughter and grandkids. Oh, yeah, like you're. There's going to be some trauma. Maybe not for him because he's older and maybe he can process it. It's still going to be a thing.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
That he's not going to want. Like you don't want. Yeah. That's not something that people are going to want to have to live with. You know, doing it in war and combat is different against evil people. And now I know some people are like, well, those guys are evil people. They could have hurt him. They could have done, okay, yeah, we can play that game all day long, but it's over a truck. They weren't trying to kill him or hurt anybody. It was a, it was a truck.
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Randy Roselle
They weren't breaking the threshold of his house.
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JP Donnell
You break the threshold of the house. They made a commitment. And you make a commitment. They made a decision, you're gonna make a decision. And so that's the thing that people have to understand. But also, like, there are times, you know, I think about this often, like, hey, if I get in this situation, what am I going to do? And my, my decision making matrix changes based off of who I'm with. If I'm with my wife and kids, if I don't, like, I will de. Escalate at all. At all cost.
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Randy Roselle
Yes.
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JP Donnell
Well, I'm gonna do that no matter what, because that's the right thing to do.
- [30:50]
Randy Roselle
Right.
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JP Donnell
But I might choose a different level of violence based off of who's with me, because here's the deal. I don't want my wife and Daughter seeing me smoke somebody.
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Randy Roselle
Right.
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JP Donnell
I don't want them seeing, like, you.
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Randy Roselle
Don'T want them to see that side of you.
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JP Donnell
No, no, no. And you know, like, I don't want my kids to understand what the Canoe Club really means.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
You know, like, that's, I don't want them to see it. I don't want them to experience it. I don't want them to be a part of it. I don't want my wife to. You know, there's a reason that, like that, that country song Dark side, I pray to God my kid, you know, my family never sees my dark side. Like, I'm not saying dark side as an evil side, but like, because, but the ability to go do those things to protect your family, you should have that skill set and pray to God that they never see it come up.
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Randy Roselle
Like Jordan Peterson says. Right. We should be dangerous. Yeah. And have it under control.
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Lucas Pinkard
Yeah. You're not a pacifist. You're harmless. Right. That's, that's his whole thing. Right? Yeah. If you can't do harm, then you're not a pacifist. You're just harmless.
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Randy Roselle
Yes. Yeah. So that's, Yeah, I like to, I really like the way he says that.
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Lucas Pinkard
Yeah. And you know, the, I think the side of it too, that we, we've kind of talked around but not about is like, okay, let's say he does engage and something happens to like a stray bullet does hit his, his kids or, or you know, his daughter or his grandkids. He told me like, that that would be the side of it. It would be impossible.
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Randy Roselle
Here's what he told me. He goes, I would kill myself if something in hit, if they shot back and hit. And I was responsible for my daughter or my grandkids. Like, that's. So he had already. Yeah. You know.
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Lucas Pinkard
Yeah. Like, it's hard enough to live with doing it to somebody else, but if what you did, like, ended up indirectly hurting somebody else, especially somebody you care about that much like, like that. Yeah. There's no way.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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Lucas Pinkard
You know, if I did something that got my wife or one of my kids hurt, like, I, I would not be able to survive that event.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah. If that's how it happened, I, I, I agree. I'm out there with you. And I completely understood what he was saying when he said that. You know, jp, you mentioned de escalation. Yeah. I'm also a verbal judo coach. I had to go to a three day course to be a verbal judo coach. And de escalation, by the way. But I can sum it up for you and your listeners in three words. Everybody wants to be treated with dignity, respect and empathy. So when it comes to de escalation and trying to back away from, you know, a bad situation, if you treat people with dignity, respect and empathy, if they are of sound mind, you can generally de escalate that situation. However, if someone is evil and intent on hurting you or on so many drugs.
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JP Donnell
Yeah.
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Randy Roselle
That no, you know, we have to be prepared for that too. Right. And that's where like the hand to hand combat, the self defense and the, you know, the license to carry comes into play. Yeah. But dignity, respect and empathy, most people, you treat them with that, you'll be able to de escalate almost anything.
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JP Donnell
So what's your first step to identifying. Okay, hey, there's a threat. Now I need to de escalate it verbally first. Like what, what's your, what's your OODA loop that you run through?
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Randy Roselle
Yeah, well, first is usually situational awareness, right? Yeah, yeah. You know, okay, here's like say somebody, I get. I, I use the parking lot analogy. A lot. Yeah, somebody, Somebody gets a lot of.
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JP Donnell
Your videos on that.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah, yeah, somebody gets out and they're like, hey, man, you cut me off back there, right? What, what the hell, right? They're coming at me aggressively. Well, I bring my hands up, right? And you know, I show them my palms, I give them the universal signal that I'm unarmed. I'd like them to stop, right. And I don't mean them any harm. Okay. So they're not clenched fists, right. I tuck my chin and I let them. When I look at their chest, you know, after I've already looked at their hands and their belt line, waistline, right. And then I start to back away, right. To give myself time to look, you know, is anybody else coming around me and give them time to cool off. And then I apologize. I'm like, hey, man, I'm sorry. And I call them sir or ma', am, depending on, you know, who I've upset, you know, So I start that dignity and empathy right there. I say, sir, I apologize. Right? So these, these give me the time, you know, to back away. Bring my hands up, tuck my chin, lift my shoulders a little bit, right? And start to back away from them, you know, and if they keep coming forward, most of the time they're like, okay, well, you know, you didn't mean to. No, no, I didn't mean to. I'm so sorry. I didn't see you. You know, man, I'm Having a bad day. You ever had a bad day? You know, and they're like, yeah, man, I've had bad days. I actually use this. This exact thing. My dog got out, and my kids left the gate open. My dog got out, and a lady was walking around our neighborhood just taking her dog for a walk, and my dog charged her, and her dog got upset, ran circles around her. Her dog did. Wrapped her up in her leash, and she fell up over. Oh. And I came home, and my neighbor goes, hey, Randy, you may want to go find this lady who's walking around. Your dog got out. And this is what I'm like, oh, crap. So I. I got out, I drove around the neighborhood. I couldn't find her. And then I. I pulled back into my driveway, and, you know, I kind of do a scan one more time, and I see her walking down the road, and I'm like, oh, here. I know this is her. She comes up to me, and she's like, you. I'm like, man, I'm sorry. She's like, no, you're gonna listen to me. And I just let her vent all over me. And I said, ma', am, you're so right. I am so sorry. You have the right to be able to walk around the neighborhood in peace and not have a dog charge you. I'm like, you know, and are you hurt? She's like, no. I'm like, all right, I'm sorry. I'm like, you know what? My kids left the gate open. I told them not to. I'm like, do you have kids? She's like, yeah. I'm like, do they always do everything you ask them to do? And she was like, no, they never do anything I asked them to do. So we ended up talking, right? And just because I let her vent all over me, I didn't take it personally. I told her she was right, and I apologize. And that she had a right to be there and not be, like, confronted by my dog. She ended up hugging me, like, telling me I should, you know, meet her husband. I got her name and everything. And I made a friend.
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JP Donnell
Yeah.
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Randy Roselle
And now I've got somebody else in my neighborhood. Who? Somebody's at my house when I'm out there that I know. Walks around the neighborhood, will tell me.
- [37:47]
JP Donnell
Yeah, dude, that's awesome.
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Randy Roselle
I mean, I made a friend. I made an ally.
- [37:51]
JP Donnell
Yeah.
- [37:52]
Randy Roselle
I met her neighborhood versus enemy by just treating her with dignity, respect, and empathy. Yeah.
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JP Donnell
That's huge, man. That's awesome. Okay, man, I, I. I keep want. I. I want to keep going down this road. But I think it's important for our listeners to learn a little bit about you growing up. And, you know, we can dive into it deep, or it can just be like, hey, you know, not much to add. It's like whatever you want. But based off the time that we spent, and I can already see where this is going, we're definitely going to have you back on again. And we can dive really deep into a few of these different topics that I. I'm really intrigued with. And I know Lucas is, while he's taking notes over there, like. Okay, like, we're.
- [38:42]
Lucas Pinkard
I'll circle us back whenever we.
- [38:44]
JP Donnell
Yeah, I know.
- [38:45]
Randy Roselle
I do have a book coming out.
- [38:46]
JP Donnell
Okay. Yes. All right, let's talk about the book.
- [38:49]
Randy Roselle
Okay.
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JP Donnell
You know what? We'll talk about your childhood some other time.
- [38:51]
Lucas Pinkard
Let's talk about your childhood in the book.
- [38:53]
Randy Roselle
Yes.
- [38:54]
JP Donnell
Okay, cool.
- [38:54]
Randy Roselle
So it's a mini. It's a mini auto. It's a mini autobiography.
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JP Donnell
Okay.
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Randy Roselle
And so it talks about my childhood and everything there. You know, I grew up here. Small town, Texas taxes.
- [39:06]
JP Donnell
What town?
- [39:07]
Randy Roselle
Bowie, Nocona area. Monte County.
- [39:09]
JP Donnell
Yes, I know exactly where.
- [39:10]
Lucas Pinkard
That's Troy Foster at my house from the Kona. Right now fixing. Fixing my air vent. Oh, yeah. We got a little bit of moisture accumulation in our bathroom, and so we got some mildew and stuff in there. And Troy and his company are annihilating that for me.
- [39:25]
Randy Roselle
Oh, great.
- [39:26]
Lucas Pinkard
Kids are hanging out at Chickfila.
- [39:28]
JP Donnell
The. The cleaning cure.
- [39:29]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [39:29]
JP Donnell
Is his business. Yeah. Nakona is where Troy Foster, who. He started that ministry that we've talked to you about, the Walking In Truth, the pursuit events for men and women and married coupled ones. Yeah. He lives in. In Nakona. Yeah.
- [39:42]
Randy Roselle
Wow, small world.
- [39:43]
Lucas Pinkard
Also a faithful Jesus and Jiu Jitsu board member and.
- [39:46]
JP Donnell
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's awesome.
- [39:48]
Lucas Pinkard
There's good people from Nakona.
- [39:50]
JP Donnell
You and Troy.
- [39:52]
Randy Roselle
Old small town. Small town values. Right? You know?
- [39:56]
JP Donnell
Yeah. Dude, that's awesome. Okay, so you grew up in that small area.
- [40:00]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
And okay, so you talk about the book. Let's talk about the book.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah. So it's called Pressing Forward. So, jp, I don't know if you know this about me. I went into Hell Week four times. What? Yeah, I didn't make it through until my fourth Hell Week. So the book is called Pressing Forward and it's, it's talking about, like, you know, like I said, it's a mini autobiography, but I. I think I'm the only seal that's been into Hell Week four times. You know, that Went into first phase four times. Made it into hell week, was unsuccessful. My first three finally made it through on my fourth, then ended up having to do two second phases because I perfed my ear during pool comp. And then, you know, so I had a long road. I'll just say how many years it took about four. It took about four. It was, it was a long time. But I thought the perseverance that it takes to keep going or stubbornness, however you want to look at it.
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JP Donnell
I like perseverance.
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Randy Roselle
That would, would help people, you know, that are, you know, chasing their dreams, you know, that are, they're maybe going through something else difficult, you know, what does it take to keep going through the world's hardest military training? Getting knocked out of the saddle, going back. Getting knocked out of the saddle, going back. And some of it was my own fault. Right. Some of it was my own self defeat. And you know, the worst defeat in the world is self defeat. You know, when you let yourself down.
- [41:39]
JP Donnell
Yeah.
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Randy Roselle
You know, and you come back from that. And there's a, there's a saying in buds, right. Like once a quitter, always a quitter. And that saying is a lie.
- [41:48]
JP Donnell
Yeah.
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Randy Roselle
You know, it's, it's only true if you believe it. So the book is, is trying to get people not to believe the lies that are out there and to believe the truth and the truth about them and about themselves and how to keep pushing forward or pressing forward, you know.
- [42:08]
Lucas Pinkard
That'S, that's so cool. When's it come out?
- [42:12]
Randy Roselle
How do I get a copy? Will you autograph hopefully? Yes, of course, of course I will. Hopefully within the next two weeks I'm trying to release. It's going to come out on Amazon. So the Kindle, the paperback and the Audible are going to all come out at once. And the guy who's helping me do it, an amazing guy out of Coronado, he just finished it's relatively short book, 160 pages. He just finished chapter 13 on the Audible. So I'm waiting to finish. He's got to do and finish the others hopefully within a week or two. I'll be awesome, you know, sending out emails and you know, Facebook and Instagram stuff like, hey, it's out.
- [42:54]
JP Donnell
I know we're gonna have you sign.
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Lucas Pinkard
My iPad when I get the kindergarten.
- [42:59]
JP Donnell
You see what I deal with weekly. Right. So I know we're gonna get into this when we close it out, but if, you know, people are like me and they want to go check out the website right now, would it be the awctactical.com website that will have your book information on there as well.
- [43:15]
Randy Roselle
I'm gonna put it out once on there, but it's got all of my courses. And then, you know Stefan Banta?
- [43:23]
JP Donnell
Oh, yeah.
- [43:23]
Randy Roselle
Him and I have teamed up together to do some corporate events. Yes, right. And to do some other things. So I'm quite a fan of that young man.
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JP Donnell
Yeah, he's a stud, man.
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Lucas Pinkard
Yeah, he's got some talent.
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Randy Roselle
And we're even. We're even looking together to kind of start. We may be starting our own range and kind of our own little podcast show to talk about things Jiu Jitsu, tactical, and like people like yourself, jp, who, who empower other Americans, you know, you know, so, you know, like, you, you know, you talk a lot about mindset and leadership, so having people like, like that bring in, you know, different people, that. And then the tactical side of it, that's kind of my thing, the jiu Jitsu side, even though I'm a black belt, you know, I hate to admit it, but there are better black belts out there, you know, and Stefan's one of them, you know, world champion GI and no gi.
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JP Donnell
He was better than most black belts as a purple and brown belt, let's be real.
- [44:22]
Randy Roselle
Yeah. So he's quite an impressive young man. So him and I have teamed up together and. And we're doing some things together now. And so. Yeah, and. But the book will be on the website and all the courses I provide that I can do for individuals, groups or companies are on the website. You know, some of the stuff you'd asked me, jp, I think it's. I think it's kind of interesting is the combative side, like how I formed that program, you know, and by no means was I the first SEAL to recognize that the program we were currently doing was a little bit so par.
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JP Donnell
So just for our listeners, the. When he's talking about, he's like, he's talking about the program that Jocko got rid of and started training. Boxing, Muay Thai, Jiu jitsu, wrestling, judo, like all that stuff. And then so that program was formed. We built that out, and then Randy took it over and brought it to the next level. So the program he's talking about is a different program other than what we had, correct?
- [45:32]
Randy Roselle
Yes.
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JP Donnell
Yeah. Okay.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah. So, you know, when I said I was by no means the first seal, we had a. We had a program and I was a. I was a prior Marine Corps martial arts instructor and I used to do tough man competitions right before the UFC was big, so I used to go sign up at country bars and do those, and man, I had no skill. It was a slug fast ride. I just get. Just get the windmill going right, you know, with the 16 ounce claws and hope I was still standing there, you know, before the other guy was. So literally no skill. But, you know, I was a Marine Corps martial arts instructor. I took taekwondo as a kid and yeah, you know, but I couldn't wait to. When I went through, you know, combatives as a SEAL to see what we did, I'm like, oh, man, I'm gonna be like Jason Bourne. This is gonna be awesome.
- [46:19]
JP Donnell
We all thought that.
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Randy Roselle
And then we went through what we did, and I'm like, what the heck was that? That. That was. We did some really fun drills. All right. There were good drills, yes. But the system as a whole was subpar for today's operators needs. Right. And, you know, and I'd gotten three real world fights from my life downrange, and it really opened up my eyes to like, what works and what doesn't work. And I didn't do the system that we had. I think it would have. I wouldn't be here today had I done that. I got through offshore willpower and not wanting to die and being scared. So when I got back off that deployment, I started looking for the right things, right. You know, I did links. That was one of the ones, you know, so I got to do that. And I was like, oh, that was good, right? I did, you know, I got into Krav Maga, started taking MMA and looking at all these things because I was thirsty to. Because I knew I got through off that stuff, off of willpower and luck, you know, and fortune.
- [47:29]
JP Donnell
Fortunate.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah, yeah, I was very. I was very fortunate, you know, and just purely not wanting to die. So I'm an important part of it. I'm like, all right, we got to. We got to have something better. And, you know, like. Like JP said, I was not the first SEAL to realize that Jocko had realized it, other guys had realized it in the community, and I just got lucky and I got into a place that I could actually do something about it. So I became. In 2014, I finished my last deployment and I became the leading chief course and program manager for the Naval Special Warfare Combatants Department. And we had already left the current program, but the guy that was in charge of the old program was still there, like, still in the area. He actually came back and put me and all the current instructors through it again. And all he did was solidify in my mind that it needed to go away. So he was trying to get. In fact, he had written Congressman Duncan Hunter and that came out in one of the, like the San Diego Trail Tribune or something that, you know, he was worried and he was a former Marine that the seals were leaving, you know, this tried and true system. And I had to write the admiral's response to. Whoa, yeah. To Congressman Duncan Hunter as to why we had left the old system and why we were doing the current system. And it must have worked because I never heard anything else about it. But. But what was so cool? There's only a handful of us that knew the new system. Right. Me and like a handful of my instructors.
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JP Donnell
Are any of them out that you can say their names where you can tell me offline?
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Randy Roselle
Sure, sure. A.J.
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JP Donnell
Oh, yeah. Okay. We went through Buzz together.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah, A.J.
- [49:23]
JP Donnell
And I went through Buzz together.
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Randy Roselle
Yeah. So A.J. knew the current system. The only reason I say A.J. is because he's probably the one that I can just drop his first name and you know who I'm talking about.
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JP Donnell
And he's also in active valor and he's pretty big on social media.
- [49:38]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So A.J. was one of them. And, you know, and he was a great guy, you know, and. But there wasn't very many that knew the current system. And I believed in it so much that I'm like, we got to get this out to the community. So I formed a six week combative instructor course. And J.P. you know, we do the training conference every year.
- [50:00]
JP Donnell
Yep.
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Randy Roselle
And so I went as the chief of combatives to the training conference. And you know, I was in. I'd been in 19 years at the time. And I felt like the most junior SEAL in there. Like there were captains and commanders and guys from team six in there and master chiefs and warn off officers. And I'm like, you know, guys that, you know, I grew up in the teams looking up to. And I had to tell them we sucked. I'm like, we suck at combatives. I'm like, I'm a prior Marine Corps martial arts instructor. I'm like, the Marine Corps takes 10 weeks to make a black belt instructor the army because I went, I'm special operations combat medic. So I got to go to Fort Bragg and I got introduced to modern army combatives. Well, they take 11 weeks to make a level four instructor, which is what they call it. You know, I'd been through the Soc P program, the special Operations combatives program. And I'm like, the army and Marine Corps are Kicking our butts at combatives. I'm like, we're supposed to be the tip of the spear. We're supposed to be these hairy chested frogmen and we got cooks and admin personnel trained in hand to hand combat. More than sils are, we're relying on our guns too much. I've gotten these situations and I was in there with a lot of hardened combat veterans. I'm like, I know you guys have gotten situations and I want to build this. And they agreed. And I had some guys in there that it was so cool. I had some guys I had looked up to in the teams that, you know, I don't want to say their names, but they came up to me afterwards and like, Randy, it's about time somebody said this. Anything you need, you got. And I got 100% support. I spent over a year going to different combatives programs all across the country. Self defense programs, things from law enforcement, things from other military. I brought in pro MMA coaches and fighters. And the beautiful thing was, you know, and I would put these guys in our kit and most MMA fighters were like, holy crap, how do you guys find this? I'm like, yeah, right? So. And I would go get guys from Xavision, I'd go get like 15 dudes from Xavision, put them in full, you know, protective gear. And I was an old SEAL at the time, right? So I knew if I could do it, the young bucks could do it. And I would just have these X Division guys and I'd get the biggest strongest ones. I'd have my guys go get the biggest strongest ones.
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JP Donnell
So X Division for our listeners are the guys that quit buds that are in a holding. I bet you just say holding pattern, right? They're at this command until they can get orders to either go get trained up and get schooling for a regular job in the Navy, or they're going to a ship undesignated, meaning they don't have a job and their job is gonna suck.
- [53:02]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, it does. It does suck.
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JP Donnell
It does. But these exhibition guys aren't bad people. They're just decided they don't want to be studs. And if you compare them to the rest of the military, they're usually going to perform at a much higher level because they were motivated to be seals. I'm not meaning this in a derogatory manner towards anybody else in the military, but when you look at it from a motivational standpoint, if they can have a good leader like Randy, who's going to empower them to have Fun and contribute. And what Randy was also doing was saying, hey, guys, you're helping the SEAL teams By you coming and being role players. You're helping the SEAL teams. And so now all of a sudden, you take these guys that generally were just crapped on.
- [53:40]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
That are now getting an opportunity to have a great day, a fun day. They're helping, they're contributing, which changed their attitudes and their morale, which better served them as humans, going to different commands of the Navy, which is. Is better for our Navy as a whole. So I just want to make sure people understood that, because what you did wasn't just helping the SEAL teams. Randy was helping the Navy by giving these guys purpose, which changes their attitude and their morale, which means that when they go to another duty station, they're gonna, for the most part, show up eager and wanting to help and understanding that they're a part of something bigger than themselves. Because I remember hearing about you doing those things, because guys were like, bro, this is incredible.
- [54:22]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
And it wasn't just for the SEAL teams. Like, you impacted the US Navy as a whole by equipping young men to actually understand their value.
- [54:30]
Randy Roselle
Yeah. So I would go. I'd have my guys go get these guys, and I'd ask them, we'll get the biggest, strongest ones. And they would just come at me as hard as they could. You know, we put myself in different bad positions and everything else. And the great thing about it was. And these guys are angry, too. Like JP was saying, like, they're normally angry because they didn't make it through buzz. Or angry at the world. And, you know, so they make awesome role players. And they're studs. Right. You walk through the doors of Naval Special Warfare center to be a seal, you know, whether you make it or not, physically, you're a specimen. And. And so I'd have these guys just come at me as hard as they could. And if the technique worked, it worked. If it didn't work, it didn't work. And I didn't have any skin in the game. I wasn't looking to push a system. I was making a system. Right? So I didn't care. I didn't have to call something Jiu Jitsu, or I didn't have to call something karate or Krav Maga. I just cared about does this technique or does this work or not work? And we ended up blending all of this. These techniques together from these different martial arts, you know, and modifying them to save operators, you know? And here's what most people don't Realize as the chief of that program, I bore the responsibility of that program. So if I taught a young SEAL something and he went downrange and he did the technique to save his life, not some weird messed up way, but the way that I taught him to do it and it didn't work, that was on me. And that's how serious I took that entire program and how serious I pressure tested everything, you know, and that's how it had to be that. Because it was a seals life on the line. Yeah. You know, and that's what, you know, that's why we went from the old program to the new program. And YouTube is a heck of a thing. Right? Like, if you don't think our enemies aren't watching tactics and aren't watching MMA and aren't watching, you know, the UFC just like we are, and trying to copy. I mean, look at some of their videos. You can just try to see how they copy. Look how they try to copy John Wick and other things and things for movies. But you can learn a lot from that. And if we weren't keeping up with that, if you didn't know how to defend against certain basic things, you're behind the power curve.
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JP Donnell
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I, I still have the picture. When we were overseas and doing, you know, like, searching through and looking through stuff, you know, for weapons and, and just explosives and all that stuff, doing our, our basic search procedure, I, I, I grabbed this picture of this guy that we ended up wrapping up up, and it was a guy we were looking for, and it was him in a, in a, in a gi. And it was a picture of him, like, posing, and he was training martial arts. And it was just like, I remember. And this is back in, like, I think it was. Yeah, this was in Ramadi. And, you know, I, I kept that, and I always kept that as a reminder. And when I was in the teams, that that picture was on my little corkboard in my, in my cage. Okay. The enemy's always training.
- [57:46]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [57:47]
JP Donnell
Like, these. And these guys aren't just training. It's not like Jiu Jitsu, where, like, you know, Lucas and I are doing, and the rest of the Jesus and Jiu Jitsu guys are doing a, you know, a tournament in a few weeks. It's not like, hey, we're gonna go out. It's not like that. You know, it's not another good American that's training Jiu Jitsu also, that wants to win. And we're in an environment where we're on the mats. They're padded. There's literally a referee watching you. There's medical people on standby. You're like, you're, you're gonna be okay. These humans were training to kill us.
- [58:21]
Randy Roselle
Yes.
- [58:22]
JP Donnell
And to do evil, horrific things to innocent civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan and all over the world. This isn't just happening there, it's happening all over the world. And you have to be capable. Desire and capabilities are two different things.
- [58:38]
Randy Roselle
Things. Yes.
- [58:39]
JP Donnell
And you know, I know. I'm willing to bet you probably hate the saying too. You don't rise the occasion, you fall to your training. Well, that's false. Because you don't fall to your level training. You rise to the level of training because as you know from teaching combatives and teaching all these things, the more you train, the more capable you are.
- [58:57]
Randy Roselle
Yes.
- [58:57]
JP Donnell
And your training is what's going to allow you to rise to the situation that you're in. And I pray to God my training exceeds the situation that I'm in now. There's occasional humans that can, by the grace of God, exceed that for that moment in time. And we, you know, we, we have some common friends and SEAL teams that are living Medal of Honor recipients that they did that. And even non Medal of Honor recipients. You and I have friends in SEAL teams that if people knew what they did, you'd be like, there's no way. Why is there not a movie about this? Why is there not a book about that? And there should be for some of our former teammates.
- [59:35]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [59:35]
JP Donnell
And things.
- [59:37]
Randy Roselle
They never got a medal for it either. Like, there's only like three or four of us who know about it. And you're just like, that was the most heroic thing I think I've ever seen in my life.
- [59:44]
JP Donnell
Yeah.
- [59:45]
Randy Roselle
You know, and, and, but it's training. Yeah.
- [59:47]
JP Donnell
And the grace of God.
- [59:48]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [59:49]
JP Donnell
And, and so people need to understand this training. So, okay, so you, you create this program. It's, it's still there. What was your biggest hurdle that you had to overcome from a leadership aspect? I know I'm putting you on the spot, but.
- [60:02]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
And there's a lot. I know you over a lot.
- [60:05]
Randy Roselle
It was, it was really keeping the current program that we had just developed and dealing with all the people that wanted to change it all the time. Because I would get phone calls from 06s, be like, Randy, have you heard of Systema? I'm like, no. What's the stomach? I'd look it up and it'd be like, Russian shooting energy, balls stuff. And I'm like, you want me to incorporate this in combatives? No, like, so it was. It was really having other people in the teams that were high ranking wanting me to implement some things that were just ineffective and subpar while I was forming the program. And I'm like, you know, you know, I was a chief, but, you know, I'm not a captain. You know, I'm not at all six. And to tell people like that, like, hey, sir, I'm not doing that. You need to come see this program, what we're doing, that's awesome.
- [61:15]
JP Donnell
You know, so that's where I wanted us to kind of go with this is like, I. I knew you had to deal with a lot of good idea fairies.
- [61:23]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
And in business and life, you're probably gonna have to deal with a lot of good idea fairies. And the while their intent might be, for the most part, good because they're thinking, hey, we want to make it better. You. You knew that instead of just pushing back, which unfortunately, when you and I came up in the teams, there's a lot of bad leadership that we saw of guys. We keep this podcast clean. So I'm not going to say the language, but they. They tried to use brute force.
- [61:48]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, brute force.
- [61:49]
JP Donnell
Well, guess what? When you're using brute force against other team guys, they're gonna, for the most part, push back with brute force. And now it just. It's a bad situation. You're ruining relationships, and eventually rock, paper, rank comes into play.
- [62:01]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [62:02]
JP Donnell
And you knew that wasn't the way. So have you always been aware of, like, how important communication is when it comes to, hey, I have this idea. You need to see it, you need to feel it, you need to understand it so that you can also now be on board with what I have going on. I mean, because you were having to lead up the chain of command, which is a very difficult thing to do.
- [62:24]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, it just. I believed in it so much, and, you know, I had to. Once I knew that people saw it, I know they would believe in it the way I did. Two quick stories for you, jp. One is how I knew we had the best program there was. And two, you know, you talked about battles, I had to fight. Well, I had spent six months working with two coaches from a place called the arena in San Diego. You know, bro, that's a great gym. It is a great gym. And there were two guys there. And I'll mention his name, Charles Martinez.
- [63:11]
JP Donnell
Okay.
- [63:11]
Randy Roselle
Who was. Helped me. I was a tactical expert and he was a mixed martial arts expert. Right. And we formed this program together over six months Right. Like together like every. Well, it took me over a year, but him, I solidified with him.
- [63:28]
JP Donnell
Yeah. I'm saying like what you guys did, that's crazy.
- [63:32]
Randy Roselle
So. And I was able to run 46 week combatives Instructor programs before I got out. I put me and my staff through four like MMA fight camps. A guy named Jake Mapes did that. He owns a Jiu Jitsu gym in the north San Diego area.
- [63:48]
JP Donnell
What's the gym? So we can give him a shout out. Do you know?
- [63:50]
Randy Roselle
I think it's north coast Jiu Jitsu.
- [63:52]
JP Donnell
Okay. If not, we can look it up.
- [63:54]
Randy Roselle
He was at the arena at the time and he, he went and started his own.
- [63:57]
JP Donnell
San Diego is an incredible melting pot for high level Jiu Jitsu and they're community of cross training.
- [64:03]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [64:04]
JP Donnell
Is just crazy.
- [64:05]
Randy Roselle
It was like the Mecca, right, for Jiu Jitsu for a long time. Dallas is.
- [64:09]
JP Donnell
It's getting there. I think it's. Yeah.
- [64:11]
Randy Roselle
Anyways, but so everything in NSW has got to go out for open bid. Yes, right.
- [64:19]
JP Donnell
Y.
- [64:20]
Randy Roselle
So this was my biggest hurdle, was when things go out to open bid, anybody in the world can bid on the Combatives program. So I wanted the guys that I had been working with for a year to six months every day with exoving guys, smashing this building, this, making this happen. You know, we came out, we came up with it. Well, I couldn't just go, well, I want these guys from the arena and nsw, give them a contract.
- [64:48]
JP Donnell
Yeah, it doesn't work that way.
- [64:49]
Randy Roselle
It doesn't work that way. It's got to go out to open bid. So when I went out to open bid, I had to write all the particulars that I wanted. Like a person needs to have this, this, this, this, this. And you know, because there's right ways to do things and there's backdoor ways to do things. And Combatives had already had kind of a, you know, with all the stuff we dealt with, the old program had already kind of had a bad reputation of trying to do things the backdoor way. And so I had to evaluate 10 other vendors and you know, and I got guys in there that wanted to come in, you know, they had these resumes a mile long and you know, they wanted to teach us how to shoot like energy balls, you know, things, you know, just like weird wazoo stuff. And there was a woman, I literally had to go to Warcom, track down the lady that makes a decision on who we get. Like, I don't know who I'm looking for, right. I show up, I Gotta track her down. I go into her office and I explain to her why I need to have who I have, who I chose. And she's like, well, you need to explain it on this paper and come up with this, this, this and this.
- [66:07]
JP Donnell
This paper, this form with this color ink.
- [66:08]
Randy Roselle
Yeah. And so I had to, I had to battle and it had to be legit. And it had to. Yes, it has to be backed up with solid reason, logic, parameters, criteria. Because NSW will, you know, why aren't we going with this vendor that costs this? Why aren't we going with this vendor? Because they cost this much and that. So everything's money and everything's. Can you justify why you're getting who you're getting? And I had to be able to do that. And this, literally her job is on the line. Right. Because she dealt with all the contracts in SW and, you know, some, you know, so this poor woman, you know, was always under investigation, always, like. So everything had to be 100% legit. So I had to go in there and fight for who I wanted. Oh, man.
- [66:59]
JP Donnell
While also trying to help, like, build a relationship with her.
- [67:03]
Randy Roselle
Build a, build a relationship with her. And she wasn't going to lose her job over a combatives contract because she.
- [67:12]
Lucas Pinkard
Wanted the people at the arena.
- [67:14]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, exactly. Right. And so everything had to be 100%, like, legit, because if it wasn't, she was gonna get in trouble, I was gonna get in trouble.
- [67:24]
JP Donnell
And that's the way it should be. I mean, it should be done legit.
- [67:27]
Randy Roselle
Yeah. But I mean, like, I couldn't just be like, these are the guys I've been working with for the last year. They're. They're better than these guys. Because I think they're better than these guys.
- [67:38]
JP Donnell
Yeah. You have to be able to articulate.
- [67:40]
Randy Roselle
That you've got to be able to articulate was a lot of red tape. And most people aren't willing to fight that fight. Yeah. And I, I believed in the program so much and what we developed that I was willing to fight that fight.
- [67:54]
JP Donnell
Let's go.
- [67:55]
Randy Roselle
Right. And I had to, you know, justify why all these, all these other guys weren't good enough or entities, you know, weren't good enough and why these guys were. And it had to. And it had to meet the smell test, you know.
- [68:10]
JP Donnell
That's awesome, man.
- [68:11]
Randy Roselle
So, and then the other way that I know that we had the best program ever was, you know, sometimes we train partners, forces, and I had some Danish Navy seals come in and I had three of them and they're like, hey, we want to do your one week combatives course. And, you know, I got. I got a call from the Debt Coronado oic, like, hey, Randy, we're gonna have these guys come do this. I'm like, okay. So I, you know, at that, you know, with that, I just say, yes, sir. Because, you know, you know, those guys.
- [68:48]
Lucas Pinkard
They make great pastries.
- [68:49]
Randy Roselle
Yeah. Yeah.
- [68:50]
Lucas Pinkard
Got some serious skills.
- [68:51]
Randy Roselle
Well, you know that, you know, their sills were pretty legit too. They were good dudes. But I had two guys come through the course, and about six months later, I had three more guys come through the course. And then I got a phone call. They're like, hey, Randy. They're like, we. The five guys that came through the course, One of them was like a legit fighter. He was like a brown belt in jiu jitsu and the Muay Thai. And I'm like, all right, this guy. Guy's kind of a badass, you know. His name was Julian. And they were the top five guys in the Danish shield Teams for combatives. And what they had been doing and they had been going to different combatives programs all over Europe, over the U.S. different military ones, law enforcement. All these for two years. Oh, wow. That's all they were doing.
- [69:41]
Lucas Pinkard
That's a fun assignment.
- [69:42]
Randy Roselle
I'm like. It was. And I'm like, that may be even funner than the one I had, you know.
- [69:48]
JP Donnell
Well, yeah, because you're not having ability, then you're just going and testing and training.
- [69:52]
Randy Roselle
Yeah. So they called me and they're like, this is what we've been doing. We all unanimously voted that yours is the best one we've been to. We want to fly you and your staff to Denmark for 10 days and teach our entire force.
- [70:06]
Lucas Pinkard
That's what I'm talking about.
- [70:07]
JP Donnell
Let's go, baby.
- [70:07]
Lucas Pinkard
Let's get some cakes.
- [70:08]
Randy Roselle
Yeah. And I. I led a border patrol SOG guy. I had two guys and I got in a little bit of. I got my hand slapped for this, but I'm out now. I'm out now, and they can't do anything else to me. But I had some. I had.
- [70:27]
JP Donnell
What's the time frame on that? How many years ago is that?
- [70:31]
Randy Roselle
Oh, yeah, it's 2015. So 10 years?
- [70:36]
JP Donnell
Yeah. Anything after seven?
- [70:37]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, I think. I think I'm good now.
- [70:38]
Lucas Pinkard
Reminds me that movie with Brad Pitt where he's like, I'll get yelled at. I've been yelled at before. Like, this is fine.
- [70:45]
Randy Roselle
Well, some of the border patrol, their SOG guys had. They had like, two incidences happen pretty close to each other where some of their officers and their SOG guys are their studs, right? Yeah, they're there. They have to go through selection. They're, you know, they're student. And they had been disarmed with their own weapons and shot with their own weapons. No. So I had. Through a friend, Through a friend, I had two of their guys, like, come up and ask me if they could go through our combatives program. Well, there's a miscommunication. I got permission for them to come view the course but not go through the course. Well, these guys showed up and they'll thought. They thought they were going through the course, and I got two of their assault leaders, and these guys were, like, super excited to go through the course. And I'm like, okay, man, I can't have you train with the SQT students because if you train one of the SQT hurt one of them, I'm gonna have to justify that.
- [71:49]
JP Donnell
Yeah, right.
- [71:50]
Randy Roselle
I'm like, but you guys, you can view the course by practicing the course together, right? So I kind of skirted the rules on that one a little bit. Right? Because if one of the SQT students hurt them or one of the. They hurt students, but if they hurt.
- [72:09]
Lucas Pinkard
Each other in the line.
- [72:10]
Randy Roselle
But if they hurt each other, I was kind of like, all right, so, you know, we'll. We'll kind of figure stuff out when it comes to the role players and the ex div guys, you know, all kind of, you know, look left or something. But so one of their guys, two weeks after he goes through the course. Well, first of all, I'm like, show me what you're doing. I'm like. I'm like, I'll tell you. Like, I feel like I'm a pretty tough guy, but if I'm out there in the woods and somebody comes up behind me and I never see them, and they hit me in the back of the head with a pipe or a bat, they're going to shoot me with my own gun, too. Yeah. Like, there's nothing I can do about that.
- [72:54]
JP Donnell
Yeah.
- [72:54]
Randy Roselle
I'm like, so I'm not going to armchair quarterback your agents, right? Like, yeah. So then I'm like, show me what your technique is. So they showed me their technique for their weapons retention. Like, if somebody tried to get their weapon and they were dropping both their hands to secure the weapons. And I'm like, okay. Well, I'm like, had. Had I. You know, you guys, if you're teaching this and the person can just Hit. Punch your agent in the face. I'm like, they're gonna wrestle that gun away from them. There's no reason to drop both your hands to secure that weapon. You only need one. So I'm like, okay. So I can see how it happened if they just weren't surprised, you know, if they actually got in a fight. So they went through the course, they loved it. Two weeks later, the guy got in a hand to hand fight for his life. He got in a bad situation with some illegals, they jumped him and he won and he survived.
- [73:54]
JP Donnell
Dude, that's huge.
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Randy Roselle
And he ended up writing my CEO a letter saying, that course, our course, our combatives course, saved his life. He was like, I would not have done what I did if I hadn't just gone through that course. And he was. And to me, between The Danish Navy SEALs and that guy who got the, you know, because SEALs will go through the course and, you know, they won't get to putting those skills to use for six months. A year later, I won't see him again, you know, until they, you know, until later on. But he literally, two weeks, he was right back in the field and was like, this course saver my life. Wow. And that right there was, you know, probably the biggest validation that I had of the course where I got people telling me that it saved their life.
- [74:45]
JP Donnell
Yeah, that's huge. I mean, when we started revamping training at tradet, we would get feedback from guys while they're on deployment and like sending us after action reports and videos and pictures and sketches and like veto calls like, hey, man, we were in this situation and the training that you guys gave us saved our lives. Yes, keep doing what you're doing. And that started because when we were in Ramadi, we would send back after action reports to the guys in San Diego of like, hey, guys, here's what's working, here's what we're doing. Oh, also, by the way, here's all the mistakes that we're making.
- [75:18]
Randy Roselle
Yes.
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JP Donnell
Do not make these mistakes. Do not load your gear like this. Do not do these things. And that was, you know, those were humbling reports sent back to, to your frogman brothers that are like, you're like, hey, man, here's the mistakes we're making. But at the end of the day, it's about your people becoming better versions.
- [75:33]
Randy Roselle
Well, that's what I think makes the SEAL teams unique.
- [75:35]
JP Donnell
Yep.
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Randy Roselle
Right? Somebody else just asked me that question too. Is like, what, what makes you unique? Or what makes you different than other, you know, special Operations, forces and this. I'm like, our ability to adapt on the fly. I'm like the after action reports we get. I'm like, from the battle space, you know, or from like Seal Team 6 that feeds down into, you know, the regular sill teams. I'm like, our training department gets those and they immediately start to make changes. They don't have to go through like a schoolhouse and go through official curriculum to make these changes. We can start to make immediate changes in training without having to take years of processes and, you know, well, this has got to come out in this manner manual to make this and that, you know, because I was with the Marines before and I'm like, it took forever to change anything. And then even at atc, it takes a little longer to change things. But at trade at, we could. Every time I went through trade at, you know, jp, you and I have done multiple workups. No workup was the same.
- [76:41]
JP Donnell
Nope. Never.
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Randy Roselle
Every workup was different. So those are our training blocks. Right. And every time there was something more advanced, we changed the. Because this is what the enemy was doing now. And it was just really cool. And sometimes we change back, you know, like, I'd go through one workup, we'd do something, I'd go through another one, we'd do something different, then we'd come back and we change back. And, you know, we were just always adapting. And that's what I think made the SEAL teams really special, was our ability to adapt to the enemy so quickly.
- [77:13]
Lucas Pinkard
You teased this kind of at the beginning, and you guys have used this term often. That's the term frogman.
- [77:20]
JP Donnell
Right. And.
- [77:21]
Lucas Pinkard
And you get. You did mention there's a difference. There's a difference between a SEAL and a frogman. They're used synonymously in the civilian world.
- [77:33]
Randy Roselle
Right.
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Lucas Pinkard
They mean different things to you guys. What, what's the difference? Because you all have referenced frogman and the adaptability and the innovation of frogmen several times. So. Yeah, what's the difference?
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JP Donnell
I mean, do you want to hurt the feelings or do you want me to?
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Randy Roselle
Well, there's an official difference.
- [77:49]
Lucas Pinkard
Right?
- [77:49]
Randy Roselle
Okay. Yeah. And then we'll talk about like water dwelling mammal. Well, no, what I mean is the SEAL teams were created in 1962 by John F. Kennedy. Right. So people that went through buzz after that were SEALs, you know, and then you had. Before we were known as frogmen. Right. The udts. Right. So there was there at one time there was an official difference between the UDT teams and the SEAL teams. Yeah. Right. And. But we all consider our roots, you know, as frogmen, you know, those UDT teams, those underwater demolition teams. Right. Those are our forefathers. Those are the guys, you know, the JP and I looked up to and then paved the way for us. Now, in the SEAL teams, you know, when you talk about there's a SEAL and there's a frogman, I think we all probably have a little bit of a different opinion or definition of what that is, because. But there are guys that simply wear the trident. And then there's a saying in the teams called earn your trident every day. Yeah. And I think those people that simply wear the trident, okay, you're a seal, you're SEAL qualified, and then there's those people that earn it every single day. They try to make the community better that are, you know, they don't want to be a seal, just in Coronado on the beach when it's sunny and go out to the bar and tell girls that they're seals, you know, and get laid. You know, there's the ones that believe in the community, that believe in the mission, that want. That are warriors and want to be warriors. Right. And those are the frogmen.
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JP Donnell
Yeah.
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Randy Roselle
You know, the ones that come home, they don't brag about what they did. You know, they're quiet and they're humble. You know, there's a saying about war, and I'll probably butcher it a little bit. And about, you know, in combat, there's out of a hundred guys, there's ten people that shouldn't even be there. There's, you know, eighty. Eighty that are somewhere in the middle, you know, kind of the cannon fodder. And they get things done. Nine other fighters, and we're lucky to have them, but one's a leader and he brings the other ones home, and that's the true warrior. Those are the frogmen. Yeah. Right on, man.
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JP Donnell
I love that you said there's guys that wear their. Wear the trident on their uniform. Yeah, that's a Navy seal. Everyone that makes it through buds gets us, gets a SEAL tried in place on their uniform. You are 100 a Navy Seal. You have to earn the frogman title.
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Lucas Pinkard
Yeah.
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JP Donnell
And it's. It's a. It's a. It's a very real thing. And, you know, sometimes it's like an unofficial official, like, greeting when you're like, what's up, frogman?
- [80:53]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [80:53]
JP Donnell
And you hear it. And that was what was cool about Colonel Clark with the. The army unit that we worked for within Ramadi, who's now General Clark. He was you know, he was at the commissioning of Mikey. Of the destroyer for Mikey Mansoor. He spoke of that commissioning.
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Randy Roselle
Oh, cool.
- [81:09]
JP Donnell
Which. How often does a army general speak at a Navy. At a naval commission commissioning? Like, we're talking historical type of things.
- [81:16]
Randy Roselle
Yes.
- [81:18]
JP Donnell
This is what he always called us, frogman. Because he knew the difference. Yeah, he actually knew the difference. He talked to, like, Jocko and Seth and Leif about those things. And this. I mean, the commissioning was a. You know, a couple years ago. And, you know, I was walking up to him, I'm like, you know, hey, sir, how you doing? He's like, what's up, Frog man? And he remembered me. Oh, he remembered the guys. It was awesome. But now here's what I'm willing to bet is his aid had, like, some research on the task unit, which, like, a good aid would. Right. Like, hey, here's all the guys that are gonna be in attendance. Here's their picture. You know, he probably did his research, which. That's even more impressive to me because that just shows that he cared.
- [82:03]
Randy Roselle
Yes.
- [82:04]
JP Donnell
He cared enough whether he remembered or had somebody do the research. Church on all of us. He knew our names. And I remember talking with him, and we were talking about some stuff. I'm like, hey, man, you. You. You saved me big time. He goes, well, you saved my men. And it was just. It just was a great example of leadership. But just being called a frogman by an army general was, like. It was huge.
- [82:31]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [82:31]
JP Donnell
And. And so the reason why not to like, brag on what we did in Cassian and Bruiser, but a reason why I brought that up is because being called a frogman is such a. Like, just a. It's such a cool thing. It's a badge of honor that, you know, that's big in our community. And. And. And we know guys that avoided combat deployments that hit at the training command that, you know, went off and did other things because they were seals, not frogmen. Now, they did what was best for them. And it's hard to, you know, argue that, because, hey, in their mind, they were doing what was best for them and their families. But there's a difference. You have guys like Randy who, you know, Randy's a war fighter. He wants to be in combat. He wants to be making things happen. But he gets placed at the training command and. Which he should have been at the training command towards the end of his career. Like, hey, man, you've been doing 22 years in the military. Hey, let's. Let's give your family some Some random break. Let's give you. Let's let your family have some of you. But what was cool is, like, when Randy was at the training command, he was working full bore. It wasn't a nine to five. It was like five to nine for him. And it was like on the weekends and everything else like that. And the reason why I share that is because we need that type of default, aggressive mindset to make change. And you made change in the community. And people that are listening, that are trying to make change in their personal lives and their professional lives, you got to be willing to put in the work. You. It has to be above yourself. It has to be something that's bigger than you. There has to be a driving force. And for our listeners, I want you to remember what Randy said. It was about seals coming home. Because this could be life and death.
- [84:12]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [84:13]
JP Donnell
And that's the, that's also a differentiating factor in a frogman.
- [84:18]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, it's.
- [84:19]
JP Donnell
It's not about them. It's about the team and the mission.
- [84:22]
Randy Roselle
Well, you know, I was. I knew once I took instructor duty, I was probably going to end up getting out. Right. Yeah. You know, I, you know, my poor wives and kids had, you know, dealt with me being gone all those years. Right. And then I finally got home, I took instructor duty, and I was like, wow, being a husband and being a present father, that's. This is pretty cool. I'm not sure if I want to rotate back to the team, you know, And I started really, like, falling in love with my wife again and falling in love with, you know, being a dad and, you know, not, you know, we used to joke around for years, and my wife was a married single mother with a luxury of two paychecks, you know, But I loved the teams. I loved it. And I see a lot of people at the end of the career take instructor duty or it's their last, like, two years in, and they just coast. They don't do anything. Right. They're just kind of like, all right, I'm just kind of preparing myself to get out. And not that I didn't prepare myself to get out, but I love the team so much. I wanted to leave it better than I found it. And combatives is a very small piece of the pie. Right. I mean, you have to be good at a lot of things. Things, right, to be a seal. Right. But the little small piece of the pie that I could affect, which was a combatives portion, it was one that I was very, very passionate about. I tried to leave better than I found it at the end of my career, you know, so I found that probably, you know, more than any combat mission, you know, that I was on to be the most rewarding thing I could do because I left something for futures ourselves. Yeah.
- [86:08]
JP Donnell
You know.
- [86:09]
Lucas Pinkard
Yeah, that, that legacy play, man, is such a, an enormous thing. And you know, you guys were talking about what's, what's the thing that like drives you and all that like this, the, the combatives thing. Seems like that was the thing that kept you up at night was like, hey, we're, we're sending these guys into war unprepared and, and we've got to fix it.
- [86:29]
Randy Roselle
And yeah, it's funny, J.P. you mentioned Frogman, right. And you know, we, we had this, this bravado to us, right? This I'm the hairy chested frog man. I'll beat anybody's ass. Really. You don't know how to fight.
- [86:48]
JP Donnell
Desire and capability, right.
- [86:50]
Randy Roselle
And that was kind of our mentality. It was kind of like, hey, I'm a big hairy chested frogman. You know, I'm aggressive. I'm this, I'm gonna smash these guys. I'll lift weights. I'llpt everybody. I'm gonna do this and that and you know.
- [87:04]
JP Donnell
Yeah.
- [87:04]
Randy Roselle
And it's. There was a, when we really looked hard at ourselves. I'm like, wait a minute. This, this is false bravado.
- [87:13]
Lucas Pinkard
Yeah.
- [87:14]
Randy Roselle
We actually don't know how to fight that well.
- [87:18]
JP Donnell
You know, it's humbling when you put seals that think that they're big and bad. You put gloves on them headgear and bring them to the combatives room.
- [87:25]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [87:25]
JP Donnell
And that's what Randy did. Same thing we did at trade it is when you're showing guys, hey, hey, you're tough. No one's gonna take that away from you.
- [87:32]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, you're tough.
- [87:33]
JP Donnell
You made it through the selection program. You're a hard worker. Nobody's denying that you can take a beating. Yeah, good job. I've taken a beating. However, let me show you. Yes, that's what is so cool about the, the field training exercises that we run at echelon front. Is it a controlled stress induced scenario that shows you your leadership shortcuts comings?
- [87:56]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, I'll have to come check that out.
- [87:57]
JP Donnell
Yeah, I want you to come check one out. And it also shows you your strengths.
- [88:00]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [88:01]
JP Donnell
Because as leaders, we have our strengths and our weaknesses, but it is real time feedback of, hey, you're not as good as you think you are.
- [88:08]
Randy Roselle
Right.
- [88:08]
JP Donnell
And that's what you do. With the combatives program.
- [88:10]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, I'm a big.
- [88:12]
JP Donnell
I'm a big tough frogman. Cool. Oh, my gosh. I just got punched in the nose for the first time in my life. What do I do? I can't see. What are these tears? I'm not crying. You're crying, you know, like, and then they eat. Ego gets into play.
- [88:22]
Randy Roselle
And it was funny, like with the SQT since I would do this, you know, I'd give them their in brief talk and I'd ask them, you know, and, you know, and the world is different than the world, you know, we grew up in. Right. You know, I, I fought a lot growing up. I had two stepbrothers, you know, they were both older than me, right. And they thought it was their God given right to be out of me every other weekend. And they're all their friends, right. So I, So I grew up fighting a lot. But my. I would ask the kids, I call them kids the sqt students. You know, I'm almost 50, so.
- [88:58]
JP Donnell
Good Lord, you look great, man.
- [89:00]
Randy Roselle
Thanks.
- [89:01]
Lucas Pinkard
Yeah, I'm glad you finished it with that because at first you're like, I'm almost 15. Like, oh, good Lord. I was like, oh, boy.
- [89:06]
JP Donnell
No, bro, I ain't trying to be beat up on video on the podcast. Like, come to double five. Watch them.
- [89:12]
Randy Roselle
Watch. But I would ask them, like, hey, how many of you have gotten a fight, you know, like a real life fight in your life? And I'm like, I'm not talking about the fifth grade pushing match. Like a fight.
- [89:25]
JP Donnell
Yeah.
- [89:25]
Randy Roselle
And less than half would raise their hands. You know, sometimes I'd only get like a quarter that would raise their hands and I'd be like, don't worry, guys, we're gonna check that box this week. You're all gonna know what being in real fight feels like by, by the time you graduate this program. But, you know, you take that back 20 years and you go, hey, who's been in a real life fight? Maybe one or two wouldn't raise their hands, you know, that they hadn't been in a real fight. Yeah.
- [89:55]
Lucas Pinkard
The question is reversed, like, yeah, who hasn't been in a fight?
- [89:58]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [89:58]
Lucas Pinkard
Right. And then you get the couple of guys right now you gotta ask it the other way.
- [90:01]
Randy Roselle
Yeah. So it's, it's, it was, it was eye opening, you know, to me, like, how many, how many young people right now? And, you know, and you know, we grew up, it was just a lot different. You know, you'd fight the kid across the street and the next Day you'd be best friends, and nobody got, you know.
- [90:18]
Lucas Pinkard
Yeah, yeah. The next day, you're defending each other.
- [90:20]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, but the kids nowadays, it's so different. You know, they get. You get sued. You know, you kicked out of school. You. You know, they go on Facebook or Instagram and, you know, reputation destruction. Yeah. Where it's way easier. Just like, I'd rather just keep. Punch me in the face. Let's get it over with.
- [90:41]
Lucas Pinkard
You know, you talked about some of these lessons that you take into the real world. Right. And Echelon Front just recently put out a video from the battlefield when. When JP and I, we. We did an Echelon Front event together. And he asked me. He's like, hey, what are you wearing? And I was like, yeah, I'm. Weird question, but I'm gonna wear black pants and a black polo. He's like, wear gray polo. It's like, all right. Not a big deal. So this Echelon Front video comes out a couple of. Maybe it's a few weeks ago, and it's Jocko, right? And Jocko is saying that there's some guys who came to an event and they just handed him black shirts. And then he goes, Not 10 minutes later, JP and his team are like, hey, what are these dudes doing in black shirts? Like, I had to earn this shirt. Everybody on our team had to earn this shirt. Shirt. And Jocko was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Can somebody please go change their shirts? Like, okay, cool. Everybody, like, okay, Instructors wear black shirts. Like, we're running. So that's obviously, like, one of those things of, like, this delineation. Earn your spot at the table. Earn your trident. That mentality. Right. That he has taken and brought to his team, which helps to elevate all of them because they want to earn their spot at the table. When you're teaching civilians where there isn't this kind of, like, institutional hierarchy, there maybe there isn't this same type of, like, drive to want to be one of those guys at the top. They don't have somebody like JP or like Jocko that they are inspired by in order to. To do that, to. To get them home or, you know, within their home. How do you instill in them that same kind of drive and force of, like, you have to earn this spot. You have to desire to. To be able to protect your family, to take care of your. Your people. How do you put that into somebody?
- [92:21]
Randy Roselle
Well, I think I'm fortunate, and most people search me out. Yeah. So it's generally like, a man or A woman that realizes they have a deficiency already, and they're like, hey, like, I've got a new client this week. The guy is 6 foot 8 and not a small person.
- [92:44]
JP Donnell
Yeah.
- [92:44]
Randy Roselle
And he's like.
- [92:45]
Lucas Pinkard
Goes by the name Tiny.
- [92:46]
Randy Roselle
Yeah. And he's. It's funny. He's actually my second client that's been six foot eight. I'm like, dude, you don't look like a target. He's like, but the world is getting crazy, and I really don't know how to defend myself.
- [92:59]
JP Donnell
Humility, that's huge.
- [93:01]
Randy Roselle
And so I've been fortunate enough to have people, you know, when they start to look at my web, you know, when they're starting to like, research self defense, they've already kind of done some type of internal reflection. I was like, hey, I'm a man and I need to know how to, you know, I may be a good provider. A lot of my clients are very good providers for their families. Right. But they may not be the best protector in the physical sense, you know, so they've. They've kind of realized that, and then they come meet me and I just kind of reinforce it, like, hey, what's. As mentioned, what is our first priority? Well, to be providers and protectors. There's more than one way of providing and protecting, you know, you know, but, you know, I teach them the physical way, but then we also talk about other things and as we get to know each other, right. I try to be a good example of a man. And, you know, jp, I think mentioned already, I'm Christian, you know, so I just try to let that example go through. You know, I'm a husband and a father, and this permeate everything that I do. Right on. You know, I teach a lot of women, you know, I teach a lot of women, you know, individual private lessons. And, you know, at first there's got to be this rapport built and they've got to, you know, understand that, like, okay, this guy, I hope this guy's not a pervert. Right? I hope this guy's not some weird psycho. So, you know, I think you know them like, okay, he was a Navy seal. Okay. He did protect our country. Oh, look, he's married. Oh, look, he's got daughters. Oh, look, this right? Yeah. Because I am about empowering people. But I am fortunate in the fact that the people have already. They contact me, have already done some pop of reflection, realize they have some type of deficiency. And they're like, okay, I need somebody that can help me, you know, feel that deficiency or I'm no longer weak. You know, JP just talked a lot about leadership and the leaders, like, okay, I'm strong here, but I'm weak here. Right. These people have realized they're weak or need improvement in certain portion of their life and that, that, you know, I can, I can help them. You know, for me personally, I'm not strong in everything in my life. You know, I have my own company, I've got. Got somebody running my own social media. You know, I'm not very good at that stuff. I try to focus on making the best self defense, the tactical shooting program I can do because I enjoy that. I love that. That's what I do. I don't enjoy spending hours on social media and editing videos. Somebody else likes doing that stuff.
- [95:47]
JP Donnell
Yeah.
- [95:47]
Randy Roselle
You know, so that's smart.
- [95:49]
JP Donnell
No, that's smart. And that's good leadership. That's called decentralized command. You're empowering somebody that has skill sets and capabilities to do what they do, to do it well, and to also grow and continue making it better and better and better so that you can focus on the things that you're good at. Yeah, that's incredible.
- [96:06]
Randy Roselle
It's all, you know, delegation too, right? Like, yeah. You know, as a leader, I don't have to be good at every single thing.
- [96:12]
JP Donnell
No.
- [96:13]
Randy Roselle
Yeah, right. That's why I put good people around me.
- [96:15]
JP Donnell
Just be good at leading your people.
- [96:17]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [96:17]
JP Donnell
You know, like that. And that was a partnership relationship that Lucas and I had because of Jesus and Jiu Jitsu podcast. I would show up for Jesus and Jiu Jitsu podcast and we would just talk and like, this studio is, is set up. Like, I don't have to do anything now. There's times that if I'm not running late, like I was running late this morning because of bad time management. Like, if I can come in here early and help Lucas get stuff set up, I will. But it's literally just me turning on the lights because he has everything else already set up and prepped and he's doing everything else. This is what Lucas is really good at. He's really good at deliver, you know, taking just content and making it to where it can be available online on platforms and really good at the social media side and knows all the things about podcasting and, you know, has run different successful podcasts and knows how to get them ranked and everything else like that.
- [97:09]
Randy Roselle
And I can tell by looking at the studio here.
- [97:12]
JP Donnell
Yeah, you walk in and you're like, okay, this is, you know, small Baptist church. All right. And Then you walk in, you're like, oh, this is different.
- [97:18]
Randy Roselle
Yeah.
- [97:18]
JP Donnell
And I learned that right away. And then as I got to know Lucas, I was like, oh, he's very capable and he's. He cares. And to me, that's the most important thing is when you. When somebody cares about providing value. Like, I want to work with that person all day long and someone that's going to go above. So that's what you're doing with your company. So how can we help your company? Obviously, people need to go to your website and if you can share that again one more time.
- [97:46]
Randy Roselle
And then, sure, yeah, it's WWE awctical.com.
- [97:51]
JP Donnell
Okay.
- [97:51]
Randy Roselle
I also have Instagram. If you just like to check me out on there. It's Chief Randy Roselle on Instagram. And then we on Facebook, it's American Warrior Combatives. I just thought it was a little too long to type that in in a domain name for people, so I shortened it to awc. And then, you know, I've got lots of irons in the fire right now. Hopefully I can get maybe my own shooting range. But in the interim, you know, I'm still teaching the tactical shooting, teaching home defense, teaching tactical pistol and rifle in advance. And I also teach teachers triple C. Yep.
- [98:35]
Lucas Pinkard
What is that?
- [98:36]
Randy Roselle
So it's tactical. I spoofed it from what JP and I did. It's called tactical combat casualty care in the military. I called it tactical civilian casualty care for the ncc. You know, something I do that's a little different, right? Is, you know, I can still carry. My wife makes fun of me because I do it in a man purse. We call it my Merse, but inside my Merse. But I also have two knives on me all the time, right? And I should probably get paid for the two knives that I carry because I'm always talking about them to people. And I've made several people or several of my clients have bought knives just based off my recommendation. But inside my concealed carry merse, right? I also have tourniquets. I also have chest seals. I also have combat gauze and ace wraps. So I have medical gear. And this is a lot of things that people don't talk about is somebody breaks into the restaurant and they start to shoot at the restaurant, and I shoot them. And I will tell you in my Merse, if it's next to me, I can deploy that way faster than I can from a appendix carry, you know, so there are times it's slower and there's times it's faster and it's just looking at that. If you decide to carry immerse, don't leave it in the restaurant. But I haven't done that yet. But afterwards, if I shoot that guy, if I go over and I render him aid, what does that look like on camera? Does it look like I left my house wanting to take another human life, or does it look like I shot to stop a threat and then went over there to render aid to another human? And then if he shot anybody, now I can help them. Right. So these are things that a lot of people don't think about. But I was also a special operations combat medic in the SEAL teams, so I'm always thinking about helping people too. And, you know, and I was a firefighter, so, you know, these are. These are things that I'm, you know, that I teach and then I talk to people about. What do you do after you shot someone? Yeah. You know, in people's houses. What do you do after you shot someone that came into your house? You finish the clearance. So when it comes to self defense, when it comes to self defense, I always ask people to pretend two things because I love Jiu jitsu, but I never take the fight to the ground unless I have to. One, we're always on camera. Two, there's always more than one attacker.
- [101:08]
JP Donnell
Yep.
- [101:08]
Randy Roselle
If we pretend those two things, we'll be doing all right. If somebody breaks into your house, we have to pretend three things. One, if they break into your house when you're home, they're there to hurt you and your family. They're not there to rob you. If they break into your house or your home, they're there to hurt you and your family. Two, they're always armed. Three, there's always more than one. That's good. If you train to that level in self defense and in home defense, you won't be behind the power curve.
- [101:42]
Lucas Pinkard
That's awesome, man.
- [101:42]
JP Donnell
Do you have any final questions before we close it out?
- [101:44]
Lucas Pinkard
Yeah, you know, I've, I've got one. And it goes back to the conversation that we had at the. At the opening, and it has to do with. With one of the things you mentioned about how the bar is consistently being lowered. Right. There are some things where, you know, it's. Maybe it's appropriate for, you know, the entry level job at McDonald's or a discount tire or something like that, where they're like, hey, you know what? We want somebody for 20 hours a week, but now we got to lower the bar to 10, because it's what works with school schedules. And stuff these days. And so you have to make some of those concessions when it comes in particular to firefighting, first responders when it comes to war fighting, and when it comes to. When we're preparing to defend our own homes. Why is it so dangerous in those situations to lower the bar?
- [102:36]
Randy Roselle
Oh, my gosh.
- [102:37]
Lucas Pinkard
Well, you've got 30 seconds.
- [102:44]
Randy Roselle
Do you want the most qualified person or do you not. Who cares what sex they are, what skin color they are, what background or nationality they are? You want the most qualified person when your life is on the line to be coming to save you or be there next to you, period. That's all you care about, you know?
- [103:05]
JP Donnell
Yeah.
- [103:06]
Randy Roselle
The most qualified, not, you know, who looked a certain way or met this because of their melanin count.
- [103:15]
JP Donnell
Yeah. Or their, you know, the relationship that they have with somebody or their son or daughter of somebody.
- [103:22]
Randy Roselle
And it's like, yeah. You know, you can't. You can't have that relationship in buds to become a sick deal. Right.
- [103:27]
JP Donnell
Yeah.
- [103:27]
Randy Roselle
We all, we all have to earn it. And fortunately, that bar has not been lowered. Yeah. You know, but when it comes to war fighting, who do you want protecting your family? Who do you want protecting your nation? You know? Yeah.
- [103:47]
Lucas Pinkard
I mean, ultimately, it just comes down to that. That one box.
- [103:50]
Randy Roselle
Right.
- [103:50]
Lucas Pinkard
Like, who cares how many boxes you checked prior to this thing? It's.
- [103:53]
JP Donnell
Is.
- [103:53]
Lucas Pinkard
Can you.
- [103:54]
Randy Roselle
Capability. Capability and merit. Right. You know, and do they have the values?
- [104:00]
JP Donnell
I like that. Capability and merit. I like that a lot.
- [104:04]
Lucas Pinkard
I want to write that down.
- [104:05]
JP Donnell
All right, we're going to close this out. Randy, we need to get you back on here because we didn't even talk about your childhood. We didn't even talk about your time in the Marine Corps. We briefly touched the time in the SEAL teams. We didn't even talk about your time as a firefighter. So.
- [104:18]
Lucas Pinkard
So I'm excited for the book.
- [104:20]
Randy Roselle
Yes.
- [104:20]
JP Donnell
I'm really excited for the book. I can't wait to read it.
- [104:24]
Randy Roselle
And then.
- [104:25]
JP Donnell
So we're gonna have you back on and talk about all those things, and we're going to review your book as well. Man.
- [104:29]
Randy Roselle
Oh, thank you.
- [104:30]
JP Donnell
That's huge. So, you know, I'm gonna go through a few things, then I'm gonna have you close it out with some final thoughts, or if you have a final thought, and then I'll close it out. Close it out.
- [104:40]
Randy Roselle
But just, just, just gratitude, guys. Thanks for having me on.
- [104:43]
JP Donnell
Let's go. All right, so, hey, thank you for all of our listeners, those of you that are watching on YouTube. We really appreciate that support. It helps out the podcast. If you're not listening on YouTube, that's fine. Or watching on YouTube, that's fine. But for those that are doing it, we appreciate the extra, additional support. You know, on itunes, Spotify, social media, just helping us spread the word. We really appreciate it. Also make sure if you're not subscribed to us on YouTube, you don't have to listen, but subscribe because we put out some extra content, some extra videos, some YouTube exclusive episodes. If you want to follow us on social media, I am at jpdonell 2ns, 2l's Lucas is at Lucas Pinkard. That's L U C A S P I N C K A R D. And like Randy said, it's Chief Randy Roselle. That's at C H I E F R A N D Y R O Z E L L. And again, his website is AWC tactical.com and on Facebook it was. What was it again?
- [105:43]
Randy Roselle
American Warrior Combatives.
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JP Donnell
Okay, I did have that written down properly. I just want to make sure. Also go to echelonfront.com see what we have going on. We actually have an event coming up called the Muster. It's a two day leadership event that we have at Echelon Front. It's Jocko, Leif and all the Echelon Front instructors. It's absolutely incredible. It's going to be in San Diego. It's getting close to being sold out. We also are doing a one day FTX on the back end of the Muster that is only available for Muster attendees. So if you're at the Muster and you want to experience the ftx, if you want that real time feedback on what's working and what's not working, with your leadership skill sets and capabilities, we'd love to see you there. That is also almost sold out that Cody and I will be conducting. Rumor is Jocko also might be making an appearance to that one. Not officially, but just saying. He's talking about being able to come to the FTX also after the Muster. I'm not saying that's gonna happen. I don't want anybody signing up like, oh, Jocelyn's gonna be there. Nope. But the FTX is incredible. The program that Cody's been running is incredible. So go to echelonfront.com follow us on social media as well. Just also check out the Extreme Ownership Academy and if you want to work with any of our instructors at Echelon Front, send us a message. And someone from our awesome operations team was going to get back to you. Also, if you want to send me a direct message, I will help facilitate the connection with you and our sales team. Also check out Jesus in Jiu Jitsu. It's a ministry that we talked about. It's a ministry that I'm a part of with Isaac, Stephen, Josh and then also Lucas and Troy is a part of the board and active in the ministry and just it's awesome to be able to be a part of that. We have a podcast that comes out every Tuesday. Our social media page is at Jesus and Jiu Jitsu USA. If you go to our website, jesusandjujitsuusa.com you can get some of our merch. You can see some of the events coming up. Our next live event is February 15th that we're going to be having at Double 5, Highlands Village location. Victoria is going to be instructing that and it's. Yeah, it's going to be freaking awesome. Awesome. Start off with a free Jiu Jitsu seminar. Someone shares their testimony. Open up for Open Mat. Also check out Little Cattle Company.
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Lucas Pinkard
Get that beef.
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JP Donnell
Yeah, dog. So our website is LittleCattle Co Texas Beef Company. I'm a partner of with Stephen Little or a custom beef company that allows you to order exactly what you want anytime. We're also able to deliver anywhere in the lower 48 states. We have a ground beef subscription plan. We also have the different beef tallow products including the body butter tallow cream, lip balm. We also have beef sticks. If you want to be a wholesaler for the beef sticks and or the beef tallow, send an email to amandaittlecattle co, also a partner with a printing company called on the Path Printing. Send us a message on Instagram. It's at on the Path Printing. Josh and I started that business and we are fully up and running operational print and apparel for different companies. So if you have any apparel printing needs, let us know. Also we talked about Bruiser Arms a little bit. Leif Jocko and I have a company called Bruiser Arms. You can check us out on Instagram at Bruiser Arms. Send us a message about just different custom gear packages. And that was the intent behind it was like different gear, be able to offer to people and then also custom training classes that we can put together for you. And man, I'm fired up to be doing it in the future. I'm, I'm saying this is going to happen in the future. We're going to do an event with Randy and his company and be able to work together and just bring awareness and incredible training. To people that need that training. You know, looking forward to helping you grow your company, man. What you're doing is good and it's, it's very much needed. So if you need help with that, send me a message. I can help facilitate whatever gear that you want and or training. Also want to thank Origin and Jocko Fuel for all the support they've given over the years. What they're doing is absolutely incredible. If you want to get some of the best jiu jitsu gear and regular clothes that are 100% American made, go to originusa.com make sure you go to jockofuel.com to get some of your supplements. Clean energy drinks. These hydrate drinks are freaking unreal. But I know I'm getting ready to close it out with a final thought. But Randy, what are your final thoughts for our listeners, man, if you have anything else.
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Randy Roselle
Oh, just gratitude, guys. Thanks for having me on the show today. Thanks for doing what you guys do. I know, I know you do a lot, you know, for companies and for leadership out there and for empowering people. And, you know, we're very similar minded that way. And it's good to, it's always good to be around other Christians and other fellow men that just want to, you know, make our communities better. And thanks for having me on the show.
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JP Donnell
I appreciate you making the time for this and I look forward to our next episode. So for all those that are listening, thank you. And I hope this episode has been a reminder to go out and do the work that's needed to put in the effort to build your legacy and to never settle. This has been the JP Dennell podcast, episode 69.