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Turning Setbacks Into Stepping Stones | JP Dinnell 109
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After tearing his biceps in training, JP Dinnell breaks down how to lead yourself through pain, uncertainty, and recovery. He and Lucas discuss detachment, discipline, faith, and finding gratitude in adversity. Get your free training from First In...
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A
Morning. This is the JP Donnell podcast, episode 1 09. I am JP Donnell, and as always, I have Lucas with me. What's up, brother? How are you?
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B
I'm fantastic. How are you, man?
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A
I'm good. I'm good. Got my Finding Nemo arm right here. So if you don't know what he's talking about, you got to go to YouTube so you can see what's going on. That arm still looks small, but, yeah, I can't flex this one. I mean, I can flex it, but nothing happens.
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B
Does it hurt?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Like, does it hurt when you try to flex it, or does it just hurt all the time?
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A
Hurts all the time. Doesn't hurt more than when I try to flex it, but if I was to try to do that and rotate my wrist, bro, it is nasty. So, for those that don't know, I tore my bicep and ruptured it last night at Jiu Jitsu, you know, was having, you know, good, good classes always at Double five under Formiga and Victoria and. And Trey was there as well. And, you know, our coach, Jason, one of our black belts of coaches, and, you know, good technique, drilled it a bunch of times, and it was actually, it was a really cool sweep from when you have half guard and they're pressing in, how you kind of, like, bait them to let them press in. Anyways, awesome, awesome sweep. A little butterfly. A little butterfly touch to it. You know, that Formiga special, naturally. And, you know, then my first round was a really good hard round, but it was good. You know, I think we've talked about it here on the podcast. If not, I know you and I have talked about it, how Formiga has me focusing on, you know, being in bad positions, starting from the bottom, letting them, like, get side control or, you know, be in half guard, like, passing and, you know, just working for the sweep, working out of subs. And so my first round was awesome round. Real tough guy, him. And I always have really good rounds, and I was feeling good about that round, and just, you know, things are starting to click again for Jiu Jitsu. Like, I'm feeling really good. You know, ever since been working with Relieve, Relive, health and Flower Mound, you know, my testosterone levels are back where they need to be. You know, just hormones getting all balanced out, and, man, I've just been feeling good and eating clean and, you know, just doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And, you know, I. I felt really good. And then my second round, it was going really well, and I love training with this guy, he's a stud. And we always have really good rounds. He's very fast, very quick, very dynamic, and very technical with his skills. And, you know, so start from the bottom. Working through some stuff. Got out of a few submissions, a few arm bars that he had. I got out. You know, one of the times for me goes like, you gotta go for that. And he was like, I didn't have it for me. He was like, you gotta go for it. I was like, yeah, break my arm if you have it. Break my arm. Like, just kind of joking, because that's not his personality. He would literally never do that even if he had it. And he goes, okay, I know. You should tap. That's just who he is. And so anyways, we, you know, we're going through it. It's, you know, we're kind of speeding things up. And he has an arm bar. And as he's going back, I'm like, oh, it's tight. He has it, like, time to tap. And as he was falling back with it, I was going to sit. I was sitting up to try to, like, alleviate a little bit of the pressure off my shoulder as well, because I knew he had my arm dead to rights, no doubt about it. And literally, I'm getting ready. I'm telling myself, oh, it's time to tap. And I'm getting ready to say, tap, tap, tap, as I go to tap. And. And as he falls back, it's already. It's already fully extended and it's in tight. But I think as he fell back, he rotated with it a little bit on accident. Just because, you know, as you fall back, you don't always go straight. And when he did that, as I was trying to come up, so the arm was fully extended and then rotated. And it's. I'd never heard something like that. It wasn't like a snap or crack. It was a very weird sound. And I felt it, obviously, and it felt like, literally like my tendons or something were, like, being, like, rubbed over the bone. To be honest, the way it sounded and felt, I thought he dislocated my elbow, which I was like, awesome. Like, that's. That's fine. We can reset it. And then he heard it and felt it. Formiga saw it happen. Trey and Victoria were sitting right there. Trey, I think he heard it as well and saw it. And, I mean, he stopped right away. And, like, I. I sit up and I go to. It's funny. Like, I. I pull my arm out and I go to, like, grab his leg to like, keep going. And I'm like, oh, my arm doesn't. Like, this is not normal. Like, something. Something's wrong. And, you know, for me, it came over right away. He's like, you okay? And I was, like, feeling my elbow, and I'm like, I don't. I was like, you know, and I'm moving. Like, I'm moving on the camera, which. Which hurts. But it wasn't like, obviously. I mean, full of adrenaline, rolling hard, sweating, like, my body. Like, I felt the pain, but it wasn't painful yet. Does that make sense?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Yeah. And so I'm, like, playing with my elbow, kind of bringing it out and forth. That's weird. And then I. Then I just felt, like, the bottom of my forearm close to my elbow, and I was like, that hurts. And then I. I reached, like, to feel my bicep. And as I put my thumb there, I couldn't feel the head of my bicep. It was like, I was able to push all the way in there. And I'm like, oh, that's not good. And I looked up at Formiga and I said, I think I tore my bicep. And he feels my arm, and he goes, yes, I think so too. He goes. And so I take my belt off and try and get my gi top off. And so he helps. He pulls it off my left arm first, and we pull it out. And I'm looking as I look down, like, I'll try to show you on the camera. As I'm looking down, like, I. I turn it like that, and as you can see, like, that's not there anymore. It's missing. And so I look down and I. And I see that, and I was just like, oh, like, yeah, I think that's torn. And then the pain started, like, get a little bit. A little bit more. And I'm, like, feeling in there. And I felt, like, the torn part of it. And I was like, okay, yeah, that's not right. And for me it was like, yeah, man. He's like, are you okay? And I'm like, yeah, well, Aiden knew that I got hurt. So he stops his round, he comes over, and he's, like, looking at it, and he goes, what's wrong? And I was like, I think it's torn. And he, like, looks over, looks down at that. He goes, oh, yeah, it's torn. I was like, thanks, bud. And he goes, oh, I'm sorry. I'm like, no, it's not a big deal. I was like, thank you. Go back to rolling, bud. So he goes, Back finishes round, and I'm sitting there and this other guy, like I said, he's just a good human, good training partner. Doesn't hurt people. I should have tapped a second earlier. You know what I mean? Had I tapped a second earlier, wouldn't have been an issue. But that's also part of the Jiu Jitsu. It's also part of life. Like, my. I have people that I know that literally just had the same thing happen to them. Moving furniture or, you know, I know somebody that did that doing a rope climb and. Or somebody was doing, like, just pull ups, just straight pull ups. Like, you know, and it's just Amanda did some research and she found out that you are more prone to it if you're dehydrated. And yesterday we were smoked. Coming off the weekend, she was at Women's Pursuit. You know, we were up late when they got back, up early. You know, busy day, a lot of stuff going on, and I just. I didn't drink enough water yesterday. And I'm not saying that's the reason why it happened, but it. It contributes to it for sure. And it's crazy. I mean, people tear their bicep doing, like, almost nothing. And so, you know, did it happen doing Jiu Jitsu? Yeah, but it can also happen doing a lot of other things. And. And so anyways, this guy, this. Like I said, I love this guy. I don't want to say his name because I don't want people to, like, like hate on him or, like, he did anything wrong. Like, I mean, it was me 100%. Like, I didn't tap soon enough. And it's just part of life. If you're gonna do things in life that are somewhat challenging, you might have some injuries once in a while. And I would rather run the risk of having injuries once in a while than live a soft life doing nothing challenging. Yeah, like, that's not the way I was designed. That's not the way God designs us to live these safe, gentle lives. Like, you know, we're supposed to be out there doing hard things, being bold and adventurous. And I know you're the same way. I'm like that. You know, Josh, Isaac, Stephen, Oliver, Jesus and Jiu Jitsu guys, Kramer, all these guys, you know, they. That's just how we all live our lives. And it's how I was in the SEAL teams. And so I don't want people listening to this, like, oh, that's why I don't. That's why I'm not going to trade Jiu Jitsu I've gotten hurt more times outside of Jiu Jitsu than I have in Jiu Jitsu, so put that out there. So kind of sucks. Sat there. The guy sat next to me the whole time just like, bro, I'm so sorry. I'm like, hey, don't be sorry. I'm not mad at you. I'm not frustrated. You did nothing wrong. I'm sitting here thinking, like, bro, like, this was on me. Like, if I would have tapped one second sooner, probably wouldn't have happened. So it's just, you know, it is what it is. And, you know, sat there for a while and stood up, and I was like, all right, cool. Stand up, walk around. Got super dizzy. And I was like, oh, maybe I'll sit down and sit down. It was just, like, know. Body was just adjusting to everything. And, you know, I was talking with Trey for a while, and, yeah, timing not ideal, but the timing of how everything has come into play since then is just complete. Awesome. The work of God, just how quickly things have come to fruition. But, yeah, so torn and ruptured bicep. Good times.
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B
Yeah. You know, not to. Obviously, they're not apples to apples comparisons, but it. It reminds me kind of of my. My ACL rupture. Like that. That is much different than having a muscle that is torn. So that's why I said it's not an apples to apples comparison by any stretch of the imagination. Um, but there is a. There's a weird sound, and we had a lot of, like, loud music playing whenever it. It happened to me. So the guy that I was training with didn't. Didn't hear it. He just saw me go down. How would you describe the sound that you heard in your head?
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A
So I was. I'd like to talk to the guy and ask him and Trey, because I think Trey heard it as well. I mean. Okay. You ever, like, gotten a rotisserie chicken and you're pulling. Pulling apart, like pulling that leg apart and it pops out?
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B
Yep.
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A
But you can also hear the cartilage and the tissue and the skin tearing as well. But it's not like a tear, a normal tearing sound. It's.
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B
It's like a shredding.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was. It was like that, man.
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B
Yeah. I think the.
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A
I was trying to describe it to the doctor today, and I was just like, I'm. I don't know if I'm articulating this properly. He goes, no, you are. Yeah.
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B
Yeah, that's kind of what it sounds like. Yeah. So with with ligaments and stuff. And I've talked to a few other guys that have had injuries similar to mine. It was. It was almost like. Like the sound of a. When a rubber band pops, but at the volume level of, like, a shotgun blast. Like, as far as. As the way that it. That happened inside the body, because as soon as it happened in my knee, like, it rattled my teeth. And I was wearing one of those. Those new age, you know, like, lifting mouthpieces. And I just remember, like, I felt it in my jaw whenever that went. And I was looking around afterwards and I was like, somebody else had to have heard that. But, you know, when I tore.
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A
Yeah, I tore my hamstring to. You tore my hamstring two years ago doing sprints on a treadmill. And the guys in the gym next to me, they heard it when it.
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B
When it tore. Yeah, so. Yeah, so. All right, so this is a much gnarlier sound than just the pop. So.
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A
Yeah, no, this was. It was like. Like deep sounding, like I had some, like, bass to it. I don't know. It was the weirdest thing and feeling. And I literally felt like something was being dragged from the inside of my elbow over to the outside. Like, just. I don't know, it was really weird. Man, that's.
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B
That's gnarly, bro.
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A
But, yeah, like a rotisserie chicken, when you're dislocating that. That joint and tearing it out.
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B
No, thanks, bruv.
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A
That's.
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B
I'm out on that if I can avoid it.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So when you. You realize that it's. Something's going on with your bicep as you're realizing what's happening, do you think that. And this has been the experience that I've. I've talked with a few people because in Strongman, this is a pretty common injury. Like, guys tear their biceps all the time just because the nature of the different kinds of exercises or the different kinds of events that you end up doing. So one of the things that a lot of those guys who have done that, that I've talked to have said is that the pain sort of comes on as you realize what's happening. Almost like they could tell you, like, where it was going to hurt, judging by, like, what. What their point of realization was. So, like, you know, when they touched the bottom of their arm and realized that their bicep wasn't there, then the bottom of their biceps started to hurt. And as they started to feel up, it was like they felt like as soon as they were feeling an area, then the Pain came. Like, there was a realization of what happened and the pain followed. Was that kind of your experience too, or was it just sort of happening as.
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I don't really remember. I just remember that the pain hit me and I was feeling around, and then I was concerned that maybe because I know it had rotated when fully extended. Like, maybe there's fractures in my forearm also.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because, like, my forearm really ached and I wasn't sure. And, yeah, I will say I was sitting down. So. I love Trey. Victoria. Victoria, not Victoria. Victoria is after my first round there talking to him, talking to me about, like, hey, you know, you should start competing, you know, now that you're feeling good and healthy. And. And so I was like, cool. I was like, well, if you guys are telling me you want me to compete, I'll compete. Like, that's the only way I'm gonna do it. I'm not one of those guys. It's like, let's go sign up for competitions all the time. Because I. I told him, I overthink this. I overthink about the fact that I represent Jocko and Leif and Echelon Front and Origin, you know, and then also the fact that I represent Double Five and Formiga and Vit, Brent and Jason and Trey and all of our black belts and all of my coaches. And so for me, going and competing without properly training, just for me, it doesn't sit right with me. And Victoria said, well, I understand why you feel that way. And she goes, if that's what you feel, that's fine. She goes, but nobody cares. Like, if you're training as much as you can and you sign up and compete, it doesn't matter. Like. Like, whatever you're able to do, you're able to do. And I was like, okay. And just like, the way she said it was just so matter of fact, I was like, yeah, that makes sense. And so I was like, cool. I'll like, let's find a competition soon. And I've been talking with my buddy B. Vigs and Brent, and, you know, I know Josh and I are supposed to do Jiu Jitsu World League the beginning of the year. And then I had the concussion and some health stuff, and so I was like, cool. I'm definitely going to compete. But the way they phrase it, I was like, man, it would be cool to, like, I guess just see what happens and just start competing whenever I can and just be training as much as I can. And when I can't train Jiu jitsu, just staying healthy and strong. And running and get my cardio based up and explosive power like, I've been working on. And then I sit down, and, you know, that happens. After the second round, I looked over at Trey, and he just laughs. He goes, well, well, bubba, I don't think you're gonna be doing a competition anytime soon. Victoria just kind of was like. You could tell she felt bad. And I was like, yeah. I was like, yeah, probably. Probably gonna be at least a month before I'm able to. I would say, like, just kind of, like, laughing about it. And, you know, so we were joking about that. And then, you know, I was just kind of walking around trying to just clear my mind a little bit. And, you know, I took a little video of me sitting there at the gym with the bicep and then some pictures and sent it to Aaron Archer and Amanda and a few other people. I'm like, yep, I think I tore my bicep tonight at Jiu Jitsu. And Amanda immediately calls, and so she calls and asks me all these questions. I was like, I don't know. I don't know. And I. You know, and obviously, I know she's concerned. And I said, hey, honey, I. I know as much as you do. I just know it hurts. And it's not. My. My arm is not where it should be. My muscles aren't where it should be. And she's like, all right. Well, I was like, yeah, you know, once we get done with class, I'll head home. And so. Because I drove there with Aiden, and so we're getting close to getting done with class. And so I put my key top back on, and Trey, like, ties my belt around my waist, and for me, goes like, oh, this is so cute. I want a picture of this. And so he, like, ties my belt around me, like, when you do, like, a belt promotion. And. Yeah. So I lined up the class and bowed out. And as everyone's walking by to shake hands, I had my arm tucked to my belt, and I just had my left hand across, like, cool. Like, do it that way, right? Not a lot of people knew. And then some people afterwards asked, like, what happened? I was like. And I. I took my top off, and I showed them, and they're like, oh. Now, one of the guys from our gym, Boyd, who we've talked about getting him on the podcast. Awesome. Veteran studies. Anyways, same thing happened to him, but his was up at the top, and his was really bad.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But also, it. It was also because of. His rotator cuff was torn as well. And so he had to get, like, all that stuff done. So, I mean, yeah, it's not ideal. Socks. Like, that's definitely not. Like, there's something missing right there. It's. But, you know, the cool thing that we're talking about is just, like, the timing of all this stuff. And so I text my buddy Dr. Luke, that no relation talks about. He's a black belt under Jocko. He's a top. I think he's the number one orthopedic hand surgeon, Red, and also comes to immersion camp. And so when I broke my finger before, I sent him a picture and, you know, when I reset it and got it fixed, he's like, hey, you did a good job. And then when he saw me at camp, he was looking at it, he goes, man, he did a really good job taping this. Or he's like, he did a really good job resetting it right away and taping it. He goes, I mean, yeah, they can put pins in there. He goes, but I would just keep it taped and avoid some stuff, and you'll be fine. And I'm still able to, like, grip and do all my stuff. And so I text him some pictures and videos, and he goes, yeah, that's torn. He's like, where do you live again? And I told him, he goes, all right. He goes, are you closer to Fort Worth or Dallas? He goes, I have some. Some colleagues out there that I want to reach out to. And I said, honestly, like, you know, 35 minutes from Fort Worth, 50ish from Dallas, depending on where you're at. I'm like, but if you're telling me someone's the best, like, I'll. The drive time's fine. Like, I don't care between the two. And so all of a sudden, then, you know, he gets back to me, and he's like, hey, they're gonna be calling you tomorrow, or do you want them to? You know, I told him I had a speaking event that I had today, and he goes, well, I'll have him call Amanda. And he's like, hey, can you give me your info? So I text my info, text him Amanda's info, and he reached out. And then when I was literally going to my keynote this morning up in McKinney, Texas area, Amanda was getting phone calls from that doctor's office. And, you know, she's like, what time do you get done today? And I'm like, around 11:30. But debrief the client afterwards, talks. I'll be out of there by 12. She goes, they can get you in today at 3:15, I was like, whoa. Okay. So I got done, went back, picked up Amanda, ate a little food, knocked out some stuff in the house. Then we headed out to the doctor's office in Frisco and was able to get us in. And because he got us in early enough when he was doing his test on me, which is crazy, because if I have my palms up like this, I can do a bicep curl, Lucas. And it doesn't hurt, huh? It hurts if I fully extend it, right? But, like, the act of, like, lifting up, I could push resistance. Look, like. Like, that's fine. But he goes, all right, tell us. He goes, I thought you'd be strong with that one still. He goes, shake my hand. I'm like, okay, but just me going like this with my hand down in my lap and turning it out to shake his hand. I was like, oh, it caught. He goes, that's what I thought. He goes, now shake my hand. He's like, grip it. He goes, no, now try to turn it. And I was like, okay. I couldn't. He goes, try to keep me from turning it. And I was like, oh, freaking hurt so bad. He goes, yep, that's what I thought. Ruptured, torn, attached, all that stuff. We got to check it out. And so he's explaining to me why some people don't get the surgery. And he goes, you don't have to get the surgery. He goes, you know, this bicep is going to curl up, is. He goes, you know from where your head of the bicep is on this other, a joint. He goes, on your right one. Look at. Look at the difference. It's three fingers, lengths.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And so he goes, so to all of you, it'll always be like that. He goes, but it. You can heal on rehab. Peptides, you know, he didn't say Peptides. I know Peptides, but he said rehab and all those things. But you will only have this much of your strength when it comes to turning and rotating and doing those things. And I was just like, oh, okay. I was like, yeah, that's for me. I no, can't be doing that. Like, not worth it. The ability to go like that without pain and, you know, be able to regain my strength again. He goes, okay. So we were, like, talking through stuff. And he goes, for that, he goes, you are. We are going to need to get an mri, but, you know, before surgery. And he goes, so I kind of wanted to see you earlier in the day just in case. And I'm like. And I I was like, do you have an option for surgery tomorrow? And he just kind of chuckled, and he goes, yeah, I did just have an opening or next Friday. And I. I laughed. And I was like. I told my wife when we were driving here, I told Amanda, I'm either gonna have surgery tomorrow or Friday the 31st on Halloween. You know, I was thinking about it, had this feeling of just, like, how awesome would that timing be? Got a lot of stuff going on, and if I was able to get surgery tomorrow, I have enough downtime before next week, which, based off what the research I'd done on the surgery and what people told me, I'd have enough downtime before I needed to go do, like, travel and speak, and then I'd have some downtime, and then a big FTX week, which is a really big week and would be rough to be close to surgery post surgery with that one. Doable, but just not ideal. And he said that. He's like, well, the reason why I want you to get an MRI is because I'm like, 990 that I know exactly what's going on on the inside. He goes, there's a 10% that it could be the really, really, really bad tear that I almost never see where things happen. He's explaining, like, this. The different tissue and why it hurts down here and how it's all connected and why also that ripped off, like, the inside tissue on the skin. And so he goes, the thing is, like, if that's the surgery I have to do, like, I'm gonna need to have, like, some skin grafts from cadavers and stuff on standby. And, you know, it's gonna be a bigger type of thing, and I just. I need to have things on standby and ready so that it's not that long of a surgery. He goes, but if you go get an mri, we know exactly what we're dealing with. And then, boom, like, go in surgery. You know, he's explaining, like, it's like, two little incisions of what he does. And it was cool. Like, in the last six months, he's done 30 of these surgeries.
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B
Oh, my gosh.
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A
So, I mean, he is. And he goes, this is why I do it this way, and this is why I do it this way. And I was. He goes, you. You won't have an issue with this again. Like, when it's healed, you're good. I was like, okay. He goes, the issue we'll have is your left arm, because your right arm is gonna be way stronger than your left when you come back from rehab. And I was like, okay. So in my mind, I'm like, well, I'm doing rehab with my right. I'm gonna be doing it for my left also. But I just wonder if that's just. I don't know, it was very unique. I didn't get to ask him why that is, but I'll talk to him about that. But awesome Dr. Shout out to Dr. Luke, who just made this happen. Incredible. I mean, I'm, you know how to keynote this morning in McKinney. And I'm, you know, before I'm going there, I'm texting with Amanda and she's sending me links and I'm filling out information and I get done speaking and, you know, filling out more information and, you know, so it happened last night. Appointment today, MRI today, and surgery is happening tomorrow. When I get done with my half day workshop tomorrow. So I have a local half day workshop in Frisco, and the location of that workshop is eight minutes away from where I'm having surgery. So I get done speaking at 11:30, do my little quick debrief and drive straight over there. Be there by noon, 12:30 at the latest, they said. And I'll be going in for surgery.
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B
At 1:00pm Brad, man, that's awesome.
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A
So when this comes out, I'll be, you know, two and a half days post surgery. Baby, let's go.
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B
Yeah, in.
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In recovery, doing curls for the girls. Oh, wait, no, I'm going to be in. As he said, it's a immovable cast, like arm brace for two weeks, I believe.
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B
Well, I'm looking forward to seeing that.
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A
And then we can start using range of motion, get a little rehab. And then I believe he said, I'll ask again on our next episode when I'm in the arm cast. When we record, I'll have some more information on timeline. But I believe he said in six months, if I do rehab properly, which I'm good at, sticking to rehab. Like, if you tell me what to do for rehab, like, I do it to the T. Like, it's my, you know, I mean, like, I don't, I don't know why people don't do that. But, you know, it's fine. I mean, ego gets involved or you just feel like sometimes you actually feel good. You're like, hey, no, I'm good. Like, hey, they said six weeks. I told you I'd be done in four weeks. And then also it's like, well, no, you, you feel good at four weeks and you want to maintain for another Two to properly heal. But anyways, I know people don't intentionally do that. I think subconsciously people think they're better sooner than they are. And I also understand. I'm 42, a little bit of wear and tear over the years, so I'm excited to do this rehab, take it very serious, get extra dialed in, obviously, with my diet, with first in nutrition and just the workouts that I can do. And. Yeah, so I think at six months, man, I'll be. He said I could be back to heavy lifting and full jiu jitsu.
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B
That's what I'm talking about. It's gonna be a fun six months.
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A
Yeah. So we'll see, you know, how the recovery comes along. I'm looking forward to it. You know, this is. He's one of the number one orthopedic surgeons in this, in this area, I think, in the nation as well. I mean, I'm just very lucky for that connection, the timing for it all working out. And, you know, a few people kind of like reached out to me. You know, they saw the post that I put, you know, because I just was asking for a little bit of, you know, feedback if anybody had dealt with it, just kind of what their thoughts were, advice, recovery, all that stuff. You know, a lot of comments about peptides. And as we talked about, I'm all about peptides. Been on peptides. Get them from Relive Health and Flower Mound and definitely help. Like, I took a healthy dose last night. I'm gonna take a healthy dose tonight, and then, you know, when I get home tomorrow after surgery, boom, you know, keep, you know, keep taking my peptides and, and just stay on whatever regimen they have me for rehab and therapy. But, you know, a lot of people were also reaching out, like, hey, man, you good? Everything all right? You know, it's a bummer. I'm sorry, blah, blah. And, you know, one, you know, I appreciate, obviously all the friends of, you know, that I have with people, like, showing genuine concern. But, you know, I was just thinking about, I was like, you know, one. It's like, man, this is. This is not a big deal. Like, it's a torn bicep. This is not a big deal. And, you know, the other thing is I didn't know anything yet. Like, I had not talked to a doctor. I hadn't been there. So it's like, why am I going to freak out about something that I have zero, like, confirmation on? We have some ideas, we have some, some, some assumptions based off of just function and feel and appearance. But, you know, and obviously I knew something was wrong, but I didn't know at what extent. And so my big thing was, hey, I don't know. So I'm not gonna freak out, I'm not gonna get upset or frustrated. Like, I. I don't know what, what's actually wrong until I get an MRI and a doctor reads the mri. I don't know. And I don't know what it's going to require. Might be surgery, might not. I might have options. I don't know how evasive the surgery is going to have to be. Like, I don't know any of these things, so I'm not worried about it. And the reason why I share that is I think a lot of times, you know, in my life, previously, I would fall in the trap of, oh, my gosh, what if. Okay, well, what if nothing's really that bad? What if nothing actually happens? And, and just, you know, it goes back to the whole, like, controlling your emotions and, you know, why detachment's a superpower and not, you know, just jumping into a worst case scenario. Yeah, I know I've been guilty of that before in the past. And just a good reminder of, like, hey, I don't know, I'll get some information. Once I get information, I can then make some logical decisions and I can figure out what I'm going to do next. And I know we want to record about prioritize and execute in the near future, but that's prioritize and execute is understand, hey, what's happening in your life. And the only way you can do that is by, like, just stop, relax, look around, figure out what's going on, and then make a call. Decide what you're going to do based off the information that you have. And if you don't have good information, then maybe you shouldn't be making big decisions. Make a small iterative decision based off of the information you have. All right, cool. Hey, I'm looking down, head of my biceps not connected. It's in a lot of pain. Cool. Based off of that, I should probably stop rolling. I shouldn't train another round. And, you know, I probably won't work out tonight or tomorrow like I had planned on, you know, So I made small little changes, good decisions based off the information that I had. And, you know, it wasn't like, I didn't need to, like, freak out and like, call Jamie. Last night as I'm driving home from that, from the gym, like, hey, tore my bicep, won't be able to give my 90 minute keynote tomorrow morning. You're gonna have to call the client because it's too late for us to get an instructor to cover down. Like, okay, cool, I'm gonna be in pain. There's gonna be different. You know, there's gonna be some discomfort. You know, we found a sling that we had at the house. I wore the sling this morning at the event to keep me from, like, speaking with my hands and do. And doing things like I normally do and not picking up my backpack like I almost did, just out of habit. And so, you know, small, little iterative decisions, not freaking out, detaching from your emotions. You know, this is not rocket science, but. And just me understanding, it's not a big deal. You know, I look at, like, my dad, all the surgeries that he had, like, legitimate, real big surgeries, elbow replacement, hardware replacement, and then had to get his arm amputated. It's like, man, my little thing's cute. It's like a little tickle compared to, like, that pain that he's dealt with. So, you know, and. And I just knew God's timing and all this was gonna be good. I. Maybe I wouldn't understand it, but at the end of the day, it's like, all right, cool. Like, I don't. We're good. And then just the testament to that was, man, the appointment today and then the surgery tomorrow. And, man, I'm. I'm. I'm excited.
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B
Yeah. And I'm. I'm pretty stoked for you. So you've answered some of my questions that I've got coming up, like, what's the operation going to be? Like, we don't really know until we get in there. You know, what is that recovery period look like you're saying? It's probably sometime around six months. Um, one of the things that. That we had talked about right after the injury happened is that you've got a. A window of time before that muscle starts to atrophy in such a way that there are portions of that muscle that will never come back.
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A
Yes. And that was the other urgency from my buddy to get me into the doctor. And then the doctor getting in me in today and then wanting to do surgery because I kind of told him my. My. Like, my schedule and what I do and how I make a living. And he goes, okay. And I. We wait out both options, like, hey, tomorrow, or do we wait until the 31st? And it's like, hey, if I do it tomorrow, I'll be good to go by Monday for when I travel to Mexico.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And Tuesday, do a full day workshop in Mexico. Wednesday, fly from Mexico to Detroit, keynote Thursday, home Thursday night. And then that next week is. I think I go to one city that following week.
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B
Yeah.
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A
But then the third week, I'm in Houston Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday for an ftx, come back to Texas FTX on Thursday and then things on Friday. So that's a really busy week. And I was talking to the doctor, he goes, yeah, you don't want that week to be your week two. Okay, cool. Roger that. Because I'm getting five solid days of rest before I fly.
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B
Yeah. Which will be good.
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A
Yeah, it's gonna be fine.
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B
Yeah. So there is, you know, we. We interviewed Isaac before, and we've talked a little bit about, you know, me working with Isaac's dad. Isaac's dad had a. A significant tear in his upper pectoral. And.
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A
Oh, no.
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B
And so, like, it's, it's curled up. But because he waited so long to go and see the doctor, like they told him, you know, essentially, there's nothing that we're going to be able to do that's going to help you recover anything that you've lost, like the atrophy that your muscle has undergone. And this was just, I mean, within a few weeks afterwards that they were like, you know, your. Your muscle is atrophing. And he opted at that point to just say, you know, forget it. And because he's an absolute animal, he's. He's still able to, you know, maintain a significant amount of strength. But it's one of those that, like, that portion of his muscle is gone forever. We had a guy in our church who was reaching up to. To get a box of, like, a shoebox for his wife off the top shelf of their dress or in his closet, and he reached up, pulled it, and that's exactly what happened. He tore the bicep from. From the bottom and it just balled up in his shoulder. And he thought that, like, maybe something funky had happened. He didn't know about it. Six months later, he goes to the doctor. His doctor's doing his reflexes in his arm. He's like, hey, man, you got a torn bicep. When does that happen? He's like, you know, it just did that. It didn't hurt it, did it, you know, about six months ago, you know, what do you think? And they're like, oh, yeah, there's nothing we can do for it anymore. So you're like, there's this window and in which you have to get it done or else you're not going to be able to. To recover from it or at least recover your, you know, your strength and those kind of things that you want to be able to have so that you can continue to do the things that you enjoy doing.
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A
Yeah. And I believe what the doctor told me and Amanda could confirm this. When he's talking about, like, the supination part, right? Supination and pronation.
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B
Yeah.
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A
He goes, if I don't get the surgery and it just recovers the way it is, he goes, you will only have 30% of your strength for that type of movement.
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B
Yeah, that's a. That's a less than ideal for Jiu jitsu.
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A
I was like, no. Or just because the other thing is, like, he's like, it's not that big of a deal, but, you know, if you're having, like, use a screwdriver. Right. In, like, a few minutes, you'll be completely fatigued. And I was like, oh, that's okay. That's not ideal. I don't. Yeah.
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B
Get me fixed, doc.
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A
Yeah. Yeah.
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B
So when are we gonna have him on? Like, we can have him on.
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A
Talk to him about it tomorrow. That'd be rad.
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B
Yeah, it'd be cool to have him on post op. The. The other big questions that I have.
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A
For you, I guess in, like, tomorrow after surgery.
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B
Yeah, we get both. Get both of you on tomorrow, like, immediately. I'll just bring the equipment up into the end of the recovery room, and we can get you coming.
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A
Like, how? Cheese ball.
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B
That would be your panicked face as soon as you wake up from anesthesia and there's a nurse there telling you, hey, you're in a bed. You just had an operation done. Don't worry about it.
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A
Y.
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B
So terrifying. I mean, it'd probably get a lot of views.
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A
Yeah, well, which.
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B
That's. That's what we're all about. We're all about the ls. Okay, so these next two questions that I have kind of go hand in hand, and I think that they're integral because this is something that you. One you didn't know was gonna happen ahead of time. You didn't predict your bicep tear. Now that you're in the midst of it, the things are happening pretty quickly. One of the things that you and Rob have talked a lot about is. And this is kind of Rob's big focus at EF is owning your attitude.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And so before we get to the question of, like, what are you doing to own. Own your attitude? What are some of the steps that. That you are Taking right now to mentally prepare for what's ahead of you, because you can't take ownership of anything at the, at the moment because you're in this place of like, hey, you know what I mean? The only thing you can really take ownership of from what I'm seeing, is getting yourself to the places you need to be and at the right times to get the operation done. But what are you doing to kind of prepare yourself mentally for what recovery is going to look like to. For what, you know, six months off is going to look like? Those kinds of things.
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A
Things. I mean, nothing. Because I don't know what the recovery process is going to be until they assign it to me.
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B
Right.
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A
So again, I'm not making any preconceived ideas or notions of like, okay, I'm gonna do this, I'm gonna do that. They're gonna tell me what to do. I mean, he is the number one surgeon for this for a reason. So I'm gonna let him do his job and then whatever guidance he gives me, I'm gonna follow that. And then, you know, bounce some ideas off of Aaron Archer and, you know, my buddy Justin and a few other buddies that are very intelligent when it comes to the human body and rehab and physical therapy. And I'm gonna talk to my sister as well, you know, and bounce it off my dad as well. Hey, man, you've had a bunch of surgeries, you know, just. Yeah, I just kind of just go off the advice of the expert and then, you know, give it to a few people, kind of get what their ideas are and I'm gonna stick to whatever plan he tells me to do. So in regards, like, mentally preparing, like, there's nothing to mentally prepare for. Like, okay, I know I'm going to be in pain because of surgery. You know, you're. And what the surgery entails. I know I'll be on painkillers post surgery. My goal is to get off painkillers as fast as possible with ice and, you know, just peptides and, you know, doing what I should do. And then, I mean, there's nothing else for me to really think about. Prepare, man.
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B
Well, I, I think that's one of the key things though, is that you're. By saying you're not doing anything to mentally prepare. Like, one of the things that you are doing is you're keeping your expectations appropriate.
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A
Like, you're not.
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B
Yeah. You're not going into it thinking that you're gonna have some kind of heroic six week instead of six month thing. You're you're putting trust into the team that's there and doing that. And that's, I think, something that. That a lot of people, you know, and you kind of mentioned this earlier, a lot of people will sort of skim over because we try to do the. The heroic recovery instead of like saying, hey, you know what? The thing I'm going to be mentally prepared for is to not set expectations until we have more information or, you know, to have appropriate expectations.
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A
Yeah. And I want to put a caveat in there because I know there's some people like, well, doctors don't know what you're capable and blah, blah, blah. Okay, cool. I get that. But the doctors will also be able to make adjustments based off of my progress. One of my old, actually my first platoon oic, he sent me a message because he saw the post and, you know, he said, hey, make sure you let them know to treat you like a high level athlete and that will expedite your rehab properly. I was all right, because he's like, hey, I had a surgery and they had told me, like, I think it was like six or seven months. And he's a physical stud phenom. Still is, you know, to this day. And he said he was fully recovered. Like, like fully recovered. Not just I feel this way, but fully recovered. Lucas, in four months.
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B
Oh, dang.
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A
And so I know that, and I know of a lot of other buddies that have done that, and I've come back from surgery sooner than expected, but it's because I took my rehab very serious. And in the seal teams, they treat you like high level athletes, you know, and. And they, they, you know, they take that stuff very serious now. And so my expectations, my mental preparation, I guess, like you said, is going detached. Like, no emotions, no expectations until I have information. Once I have information, we can make decisions and we get to work and then also understand, like, you know, hey, things I'm just gonna be. Have. Have to be able to adapt to things and evolve. And if PT is going well, cool. If it's not going as well, all right, let's slow it down a little bit. Let's figure out what's happening, make adjustments, and then just move forward. Like we were talking earlier, like, incremental changes and just like, just, all right, cool. Boom, boom, boom. One day at a time, you know, and just mean, dude. I mean, I'm not, like, stressed at all. Like, I'm just so at peace with everything. It's one. It's a. It's not that big of an injury. I Know it is, but it's not, you know, compared to, like, other. What other people are dealing with, it sucks. Is it painful? Yeah. But does it suck as bad of other people? No. Is it as painful as other people? Like, not even close. So for me, I'm just like, all right, like, this happened. I don't know why. I don't know if God will ever reveal why. But I know one thing. When things like this happen, it's kind of an indicator. Like, hey, maybe you need to slow down a little bit, shift some focuses. Maybe. I don't know what that is and what that means, but I'm gonna be slowing down for a little bit.
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B
Yeah, they're forced to.
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A
Yeah.
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B
So the last question I've got for you is, you know, as you're doing this, when. When you recover from any kind of surgery, like you just alluded to, there are ups and downs to the recovery process. There's some days where you're going to make great progress, and other days where it feels like progress isn't coming and, you know, having the relationship that you do with Rob and the idea of when there's nothing to take ownership of in a situation that you can own. Your attitude.
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A
Yeah.
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B
What are the. What are the steps for owning your attitude and for keeping yourself at a place where you can continually make progress through the ups and downs of recovery that, you know, will. Will probably have some. Some good days, some bad days, potentially some dark days. Like, what are the steps to owning your attitude through that whole thing so that you can stay level and on the path?
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A
Well, my steps, based off of what you just asked. And then obviously, I know Rob Jones very well. Good buddy, phenomenal instructor at Echelon front. Amazing speech that he gives at the muster. You know, as I listen to Rob talk and share that story, and I think. And I. Over the years, I've just thought about these things, and then I reflect on, like, what you just said. It's like being grateful, you know, understanding. Like I said, like, hey, this is not a big deal. If you're looking at the camera and I'm flexing again, it's like, as Amanda calls it, my. My Finding Nemo arm. Like, okay, like. Like, I don't be like. It's. It's. It's. It's not a big deal. So it's really easy to control my attitude and own my attitude, because it's not that big of a deal. And I'm thankful that this is all it was. I'm thankful that I got into the doctors Right away. I'm thankful that I'm having surgery tomorrow, and I'm thankful that I was able to be healthy and strong again when this happened, because I'm going into surgery with an advantage. Like, I have an advantage going into the surgery being healthy, my levels being good and high, and just like, bro, I'm good. Like, I'm ready. Like, let's do the surgery. Let's get it done. And, you know, whatever else, you know, life brings, like, whatever cool. Like, when it happens, that's gonna happen. And, you know, and. And I almost don't want to, like, bring up this Bible verse comparison because I just want to make it very clear, like, this is not a big deal. Let me. Very clear. So hopefully, if somebody is listening, still hear what I just said, this is not a big deal. But as a reminder for all of us, when things are happening in life, like, read the book of James, like, we know things in life are going to be good, they're gonna be bad. We're gonna have trials and tribulations. Just go read the book of James. If you don't have a Bible, download the Bible app. It's free. If you don't have a Bible, you want a Bible, send me a message. I have some in my office. I'll mail them to you. I know Lucas does the same as well, but. Or you know what? You don't have a Bible. You don't have the Bible app. You don't want to download the Bible app. Google.
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B
There you go.
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A
Holy Bible, NLT Version, the book of James. Just Google it and read it. And so, again, I want to be very clear, this is not a big deal. You know, Rob Jones lost both of his legs. That's kind of a big deal. You know, my dad lost his arm. Kind of a big deal. You know, Travis Mills lost four of his limbs. Kind of a big deal. My buddy Dan Licardo lost his legs. Kind of a big deal. You know, there's people dying of cancer right now. That's a big deal. There are children that are sick. That's a big deal. Man. There are people that have lost their jobs, can't find work, are getting ready to, you know, foreclose on their house and lose their house. That's a big deal. So I think about all those things a lot because of what I get to do at Echelon Front, because I talk to people all over the world, and I share stories and I get to hear stories, and, man, I'm just so blessed to have the life that I have. And I'm thankful for what God gives me. You know, my dad's having, you know, a lot of continuous health issues with his leg that he had compartmental syndrome on, and, you know, I still haven't fully healed, and he's just got issues going on, and he's got a pretty dang good attitude about that, considering it. You know what I mean? Like, he has his bad days, he has his good days, but he chooses to have good days when most people would just easily have a bad day. And so I am, you know, just grateful for the opportunities that I have to go to this surgeon tomorrow. Are you serious? And that's because of a relationship that I have with a good human. And, you know, again, Dr. Luke, thank you. I owe you big time. So that's all I got. If you want to quickly close us out. Whatever you got, my man, I don't know what you got in that notebook. It's.
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B
It's full of notes, like it's supposed to be. Well, I. I learned from my podcasting. I learned from my podcasting partner how to. How to take good notes. So, jp, thanks for sharing, and we appreciate all of you guys for watching, listening, subscribing, giving reviews. They really help us out a ton. And obviously, like, our. Our prayers are with JP and in his recovery, and we appreciate anybody who is partnering with us in that endeavor. To those ends, if you want to join the conversation, you want to shoot a little bit of encouragement over to. To Jeremiah during his recovery, you can do that at JP Danelle, it's two Ns and two Ls, or at JP Podcast over on Instagram. You'll also notice on there we've got some. Some little tidbits that we do with our friends over at first in Nutrition, which JP had mentioned a couple of times. If you go to firstendnutrition.com jppod you'll get four free weeks of nutrition coaching. So whether you are in recovery or just need to recover from a pretty nasty workout, go ahead, check those guys out. They can help you reach all of your nutrition goals. We've got a pretty exciting thing coming up on November. November 1, Carlos Henrique is doing a free seminar in Plano, Texas with Jesus and Jiu Jitsu. It's going to be a NOGI seminar. He's the current lightweight UFC BJJ champion, doing a free seminar with the folks at Jesus and Jiu Jitsu, which JP and I are a part of. So make sure that you go follow them at Jesus in Jiu Jitsu underscore USA on Instagram to get all the details for that. For some self care, go to Little Cattle Co, get some of the beef tallow products. They've got the after sun care, they've got the Invigorating Coffee body scrub and they've got the anti itch cream. Because if you're in Texas, you're like, hey, fall's coming up, but it's still 90 degrees so the mosquitoes are out there. Make sure that you get that stuff for you and your kids. If you want to be a wholesaler for any of that, you can email amandaittlecattle.co. if you want yourself or other people to rep the company that you work for or the gear that you want to see, go check out on the Path Printing where you can talk with jp, Josh or any of the folks on their team to get custom printed apparel for you for your company. Maybe you want to start your own clothing brand and want to experiment with some of that stuff, go check out at on the Path Printing. And if you want to do it the same way that the guys in Echelon front, the guys that were on that SEAL team did it, go check out at Bruiser Arms. They're putting together gear packages, the custom gear packages for anybody who wants to check that out. They got some custom training coming up as well, which is JP Lathe and Jocko setting those things up. And finally to wrap it all up, the people that keep us covered and recovering, it's the folks over at Origin and jocko fuel complete 100American made stuff. I'm rocking the, the denim jacket because, you know, it dropped below 75 degrees today in Dallas, Texas, which means there's, there's a chance of snow as far as I'm concerned since it's below 75. So I'm rocking the jacket, which I absolutely love. Got to got to try it out the other day whenever I was out test driving the motorcycle, making sure that everything works. And it's a phenomenal riding jacket. So check that out. And if you go over to Jocko Fuel, you can check out some stuff to help you with your recovery with the new colostrum that they just put out. And you can save 20 on that by using code JPPOD20. It'll save you 20 on all of your order over@jockofuel.com so that you can get the, the discipline goes. They're ready to drink hydrates and the mock protein shakes, which I'm sure you're gonna have plenty of over the course of the next few months while you recover. JP you got any final thoughts to to get us out of here before your your big operation?
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A
Don't overreact. Assess what's actually happening. Collect a little bit of information, think, assess a little bit more. Make a make a small decision, move forward and continuous. Like, just continue that cycle. Don't get sucked into your emotions, detachments of superpowers, what we talk about for a reason, and just understand that things are going to be all right. So I appreciate you guys listening and all the support you guys give us. I hope you guys enjoy this episode. And that is a reminder to go do the work that's needed to put in the effort to build your legacy and to never settle. This has been the JP Dennell podcast, episode 1 09.