A (3:02)

Okay. Because I used to say to people, Dexcom, G6 and Prior, I used to say set your graph to three hours. And then look at the last three dots on the right side. And if they would bend one way or the other, it was a good indication that you were about to get an arrow that way. And I have to admit, I don't find that to be the same in G7 anymore.

B (3:23)

Well, that's interesting.

A (3:24)

I don't know why exactly. Maybe some people still use it that way. But whether I think it is or not, these to me are the little things you're looking for. Like what does the graph tell me is happening? For instance, we all know about compression lows with CGMs, right? You roll over, you lay on the CGM, all of a sudden your blood sugar looks significantly lower than it was five minutes before. After that's happened to you a number of times, I don't know about you, but I can look at the graph and say to myself, being fairly confident, oh, this is a compression low. Yes, because I can see it on the graph.

B (3:58)

Well, and there's a very. On the graph again, in terms of talking about those, the graphical view, the compression lows are very evident because they look like a pretty stable looking line of trending dots. And one dot veers off in a very different abrupt manner. It's almost, I kind of describe it akin to a cliff dive.

A (4:23)

Yeah.

B (4:23)

You're on the cliff and all of a sudden you're like at the bottom of the gully or whatever.

A (4:29)

And sometimes you'll lose connection for a second. It'll almost look like a couple of dots weren't there. And then all like, listen, I'm not saying this couldn't happen, but it's fairly unlikely without insulin that would make this happen. For your blood sugar to go from 100 to 40.

B (4:47)

Correct.

A (4:48)

In a couple of minutes when you look and you go, oh my God, it just went down 40 points. And then that panic hits you. I'm not saying you shouldn't check on it immediately, but what I am saying is you might think I'm just going to test my blood sugar because this could be a compression low.

B (5:01)

Correct.

A (5:02)

And then after that happens a number of times, I, I still think you're gonna check. I would still like you to check, I guess, is what I'm saying. I'd like you to whip out your meter and make sure. But at the very least, maybe it could keep you from having that heart dropping into your stomach feeling.

B (5:15)

Correct. And. Or treating when you really don't need 2 grams, 4 grams, 8 grams, whatever. You've gotten used to treating something like that. With you're likely to not really need it if that value is not truly that low.

A (5:29)

So instead of the panic putting a juice box into your hand, let the panic put a meter into your hand and go, no, look, you know What? I am 100. Maybe I'll just wait a second to see what happens here. Now, similarly, using the graph after a meal, for example, I think of that line sometimes as, like, on a protractor. I don't know if people have ever used a protractor before. Like, when you're, like, putting a little, I don't know, pre bolus for a meal and you've got a nice little drift happening, and then all of a sudden it looks like a bent arm, like, shot up into the air. All of a sudden I say to myself, well, I don't think my pre bolus was long enough.

B (6:02)

Long enough.

A (6:03)

And okay, so let's next time take a little look at that. Now if it jumps up very quickly and then levels off and then comes back down to me, that says, oh, I'm close. Like, I almost have this, right? You know? But if it goes from. If you bolus at 100 and you're at 80, and then all of a sudden it's jumping up like a rocket and you're 120, 140, 160, and it goes up over 200, you might have missed on your pre balls, you might have missed on the amount of insulin you needed. Like, this, to me, is an example of, I have to look at the amount and timing of the insulin that I'm using, and I'm pulling out Arden's CGM just so I can look at it and think about it. I think often you can look at your CGM and say, oh, I see the mistakes I made, but I don't feel that way about it. Like, I feel like you should look at it and say, oh, this is what happened. Here's what I did. I know what I should do next time to stop this from happening. Like, those lines tell you a lot.

B (7:00)

Well, and that's a good differentiation of passing judgment on yourself or your decisions for yourself or for the child or the person that you're caring for. Trying to take the emotional piece out of it. Don't judge your decision. Instead, I always recommend once a week. Not every day maybe, but once a week. Take a look at your data, look historically back and see. Okay, I can see where I might need to make an adjustment. I can see where some things aren't falling into the target ranges where I really would like them to be again, don't judge, just say I can take a look at breakfast. It looks like there's not enough pre bolus. I could take a look at lunch knowing I have enough pre bolus. I'm still getting higher or lower than I want. I need to make an adjustment in something.

A (7:50)

So, yeah, I should have it with me, but I don't. But there's this great little graph that people made from the podcast. Apparently you and I said things over the years and people like, put them out, like, if this happens, it was too short of a pre bolus. If this happens, it was like, like so lovely. Yeah, I'll find that and maybe I'll put it into the end of this episode again. Your blood sugar doesn't jump up right away, but drifts up slowly over, you know, the last 45 minutes. Maybe this was just not quite enough insulin. Like, if it didn't jump up initially, good pre bolus, but if it does then continue to rise. Not enough insulin.

B (8:27)

Right.

A (8:27)

If it just jumps up out of nowhere but then levels off and stays super steady after, that might have been a right amount of insulin with not enough of a pre bolus. Like, correct. Those are the things that you can and I hope you do infer from the graph and teach yourself with. Because in the end, this whole game is timing and amount. It's using the right amount of insulin at the right time. And that graph can teach you a lot about it. Yes, sure. You can get used to, like, what is a compression low look like as a more valuable tool? It's that it's going back and saying, I put the insulin in here. Then this happened. What would happen if I put the insulin in five minutes sooner or five minutes later, there was a little more, a little less and really learning from it.

B (9:09)

I know, I was going to say go along with that. That really is. That's assessment of your information. I think a lot of people value whatever continuous monitor they're using these days for the alerts, the here and now, I'm getting an alert here or I'm getting an alert here. It gives you something to react to. But if you get into looking at your information, like I said, even every seven days, just taking 15 minutes to look at your trend in the last week, you can then learn to be proactive and make the right adjustments so that your alarms and alerts don't become a nuisance and they aren't going off as regularly.

A (9:50)

I think the two things I hope people take away from this one that you shouldn't just look at it and go, look what it's doing. Because it's not doing anything. Like you're eating and putting in insulin and it's showing you what's happening. So, you know, just don't look at it. When you see the peaks and the valleys and go, oh, man, diabetes just, I don't know, you know, trust me, you could know. And the other thing I would say this will sound crazy to people who are not at a place yet to, to feel like they can keep their blood sugars in a range that they're shooting for. But having a lower high alarm and not treating your CGM just like a don't die advice is like a device is a big deal. Like, please don't just treat it as a low alarm, right? And then push your high alarm up to 400 and ignore it. Like you'd be surprised. The way I usually think about it is often after you have good ideas about your settings and you know how to bolus insulin and you get better at that, you start to get what you expect. So if you expect your high blood sugar to be high at 150, you'd be surprised how often you stay under 150. So if you've got a 400, you know, and listen, I'll go over very quickly if your highest set at 200, 250, 300, 400, wherever it is, the amount of insulin that it's going to take to bring you down from one of those big numbers is much more. It's much more. It's harder to know, it's more likely to cause a low later. And I think it puts you in a three hour fight with this high blood sugar. Instead of getting an alarm at 140 or 150 and going, oh, what would fix this? A quarter of a unit, you know, and then putting it in and now all that other stuff doesn't come with it. There's so much you can do with that CGM that will make your life easier.

B (11:28)

I think too a lot of people are with the tightening of people's ranges, the goals getting tighter than what the ADA recommends that 70 to 180, right? People want maybe 80 to 150 or 70 to 160. They're tightening their range that they want to see their overall averages in, which is a healthy thing. But you have data now to be able to do that much more precisely. And so with the concern about high blood sugars, many times, if we're reactive to just the CGM alerts, what we end up doing is creating more roller coaster, we're creating more variability. And so like you said, if you have your high alert set really high rather than a bit lower to be able to see what's happening sooner, you may end up giving more insulin, creating a lower. The low most often creates another rise up. And so you start this up, down, up, down, up, down. It's very difficult to get off of that roller coaster. So if you, instead of focusing so much on highs, look first at your reports for where are the lows. And if you can filter out a good majority of the lows, you're often going to decrease the height of the highs. And that may take some adjustment to, you know, insulin doses, strategies, all of those types of things. But yeah, often lows are really the end result is a high that you didn't want and then it just keeps going.

A (13:04)

Well, there's no doubt that most of the people listening who are like in need of this information probably see some sort of stability overnight. Right? And then they get up in the morning, they mistime or miscalculate their first meal, whoop up, they crush it with insulin, whoop down, you panic about the low, food in too much, back up. And I know it sounds crazy, but I've seen people get on that roller coaster and not get off it for years.

B (13:30)

Right?

A (13:30)

I'm not even kidding. Like it's not like, oh, Monday got messed up. Sometimes if you're doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result, I guess that's the definition of insanity. In the end, it really is just, I promise you it's about timing an amount. Like, go listen to the Pro Tip series. I don't know how many episodes it is now. It starts at episode 1000. In your player, it's Jenny and I talking about big ideas, more long form conversations. I genuinely think if you listen to it, you'll understand by the time it's over and you can make this stop happening for yourself.

B (14:04)

Yes.

A (14:05)

Thank you. Awesome.

B (14:06)

Thank you.

A (14:13)

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