#1671 Deez Nuts - Part 2

Summary

Juicebox Podcast: Type 1 Diabetes

Episode #1671 – Deez Nuts, Part 2
Date: November 5, 2025
Host: Scott Benner
Guest: Kirby (parent of 8-year-old with Type 1 diabetes)

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Overview:

This episode, the second part of an engaging and lively conversation, explores practical strategies and real-world challenges of raising a child with type 1 diabetes. Host Scott Benner and guest Kirby, a registered dietitian and parent, candidly discuss parenthood, diabetes management breakthroughs, the frustrations of incomplete education, and wider issues around community behavior, social media, and food philosophy. True to the “Bold With Insulin” ethos, the focus is on empowerment, honesty, and forging your own sustainable path.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Hidden Challenges of Managing Type 1 Diabetes in Kids

• Lack of Early Education on Complex Carb/Fat/Protein Bolusing

  • Kirby expresses frustration that nuanced bolusing strategies (for fat and protein) weren’t taught early on.
    • “It drives me nuts that that wasn’t one of the first things we learned about… Why is it almost a year later that these pieces are being put together for me?” (Kirby, 02:14)
  • Both agree that the “fat and protein” portion of dosing is often missed by providers, leaving parents to discover it on their own.
    • Scott recounts learning it from other parents, highlighting a gap in standard care instruction. (03:40-04:19)

• Medical Community Shortcomings

  • Stories of misinformation (docs saying, “that’s not real” about bolusing for fat/protein) and unrealistic expectations for doctors.
    • “Some of them are doctors… but because the fat and protein thing is real, your dog dying shouldn’t prevent you from acknowledging that.” (Scott, 05:35-06:13)

• The Value of Real-World, Community-Sourced Experience

  • The Juicebox approach—learning from lived experience, not just textbooks; the diabetes community as an evolving knowledge base.

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2. Communicating and Navigating Online Diabetes Support

• Discord, Anxiety, and Mixed Messaging Online

  • Social media as both a vital resource and a source of confusion/anxiety—too many opinions, information not tailored to individuals, tone misread.
    • “What struck me a couple of times is when people say things so definitively… I’m so happy for you, you have found what works for you. But when you kind of say it like, ‘This is exactly what you need to do…’” (Kirby, 25:09)
    • “There’s something about the way the Internet works… it helps people who are already anxious to feel more anxious.” (Scott, 24:43)
  • The “loud minority” of aggressive online voices and the tendency to hyper-focus on negative feedback.
    • “It's like if you get a haircut and a million people tell you it looks great, but one person tells you it's not the best look…That’s the one you focus on.” (Kirby, 25:09)

• Advice for Navigating Online Spaces

  • Limit exposure when overwhelmed; recognize social media is not “the whole world.” (Kirby recounts advice from her therapist, 19:38)
  • Importance of disclaimers, tone, and remembering personal experiences are not universal solutions.

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3. Food Philosophy in a Diabetic Household

• Balancing Nutrition Beliefs with Diabetes Reality

  • Kirby’s parenting philosophy: No “bad foods,” no food coercion (“I will never make you eat anything”). Real-world conflict—need to treat lows, and the challenge of keeping food a positive experience.
    • “In the very early days, he said, ‘Mom, you told me that you would never make me eat something if I didn’t want to…’” (Kirby, 34:46)
    • “It’s tough, when you start talking about the actual food with the kids… we’re still finding our way.” (Kirby, 35:33)
  • Discussion on messaging: Insulin is not “bad”—being “Bold With Insulin” is about learning, not reckless dosing.
    • “I think you should learn how insulin works so that you can use it very effectively… in the end, you need as much insulin as you need.” (Scott, 29:58)

• Nuanced View of Food and Insulin

  • Debates on high-carb vs. low-carb approaches, diet “tribalism,” and the futility of prescriptive messaging on eating style.
    • “You can’t tell people how to eat. No. That isn’t going to work. Even if they’re right…” (Scott, 31:31)
    • “People shouldn’t suffer. And no matter what pathway it takes to get them to that…if it’s eating low carb, if it’s running, if it’s a GLP medication...your life is very finite…I'd like people to be as happy as possible in that.” (Scott, 39:04)

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4. Parenting, Community, and Cultural Observations

• Changing Times and Erosion of Social Norms

  • Scott shares observations about people’s declining public manners, parental disengagement, and the difference between generational upbringings.
    • “I walk around...this woman…she couldn't be in more people's way if she set out to be…and she is completely unaware…” (Scott, 06:34-08:43)
  • Reflection: Instead of “bugging out,” stay and model positive behavior for your community.
    • “I’ve got to keep going to the grocery store and just acting the way like a generation ago knew to act.” (Scott, 12:13)

• “Be the Change” Philosophy

  • Emphasis on advocacy—if you know something, share it; that’s how knowledge and culture progress, both in general life and in diabetes circles.
    • “All of our voices…everyone's got to do it.” (Scott, 16:51)

• The Impact of Messaging on Kids

  • Creating positive formative experiences around food and diabetes, and being cautious of inadvertently passing down harmful narratives.
    • “Though they won’t remember every single thing you said, you are creating their formative experiences around food, around their diabetes…with my kids and especially with our Type one, I won’t ever say…‘you shouldn’t eat that because of your diabetes.’ Those words will never leave my mouth.” (Kirby, 39:59)

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5. Notable Quotes & Lighter Moments

• “Bold With Insulin” Origin Story
  • “At some point in the episode, I said, ‘that’s when I learned to be bold with insulin.’ I was like, oh, I'll call this episode Bold with Insulin... and it became a thing.” (Scott, 29:20)
• On Trying New Strategies:
  • “I hear something and then I try it and I see if it works, and then if it didn’t, I try to figure out why…you kind of keep trying new things until you find it.” (Kirby, 22:56)
• Parenting Wisdom:
  • “It's a learning process. I think as long as your intentions are good, that's the part that will stick.” (Kirby, 44:12)
• Humor—Football Banter
  • The episode ends with friendly trash talk about the Buffalo Bills, showing the rapport between host and guest.
    • “The Bills are terrible. I don't know what to tell you.” (Scott, 44:55)
    • “Bruce Smith, if you are listening, please tell Scott Benner that you are proud to be a Bill and that you wouldn't trade it for the world.” (Kirby, 46:09)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:14 – 05:11: Kirby’s struggle with late discovery of protein/fat bolusing; medical community knowledge gaps.
• 06:34 – 13:24: Scott’s social commentary on lost etiquette, generational shifts, and the ethics of “staying and modeling.”
• 16:14 – 18:23: Be the change, community action, and the importance of “saying something.”
• 19:38 – 21:40: Navigating anxiety from online diabetes forums; advice from therapy.
• 25:09 – 26:59: The problem with online diabetic groups—overconfident advice and personal experience.
• 29:20 – 31:46: The “Bold With Insulin” mantra and the pushback it receives.
• 34:46 – 36:38: The collision of food parenting philosophies and real diabetes management.
• 39:01 – 41:21: Insisting happiness for those with diabetes and the finite nature of life.
• 43:01 – 44:12: Real-life parenting slips and how intentions matter.
• 44:55 – End: Bills banter, humor, and the end of the episode.

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Tone & Style

• Candid, empathetic, and informal, with a good dose of humor and self-deprecation.
• Both speakers are honest about their uncertainties, anxieties, and the non-linear reality of diabetes management and parenting.
• Key message: There are no perfect answers. Find, try, and adapt what works for you; share your voice, and remember you’re not alone.

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Memorable Moments

• Kirby’s child reminding her of her own “never force you to eat” policy while treating a low (34:46).
• The playful wrangling over which football team is the most cursed—showing the value of humor in heavy conversations (44:55-49:55).
• The recurring exhortation to “be bold”—in insulin, advocacy, and the way you approach both diabetes and life.

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Final Takeaways

• Diabetes management knowledge is still evolving; peer-to-peer learning is vital.
• Every person (and child) with diabetes requires customized care—what works for one might not for another.
• The diabetes community thrives on shared experience, transparency, support, and a willingness to challenge norms.
• Always filter advice—online or in person—through your own (and your doctor’s) lens.
• The way we talk about food, bodies, and health leaves a lasting legacy for our kids.
• Infuse this journey with humanity, patience, and, when possible, laughter.

Transcript

[Scott Penner]

Welcome back friends, to another episode of the Juice Box Podcast.

[Kirby]

My name is Kirby and I'm a mom of a 8 year old who was diagnosed just about a year ago with type 1 diabetes.

[Scott Penner]

This is part two of a two part episode. Go look at the title. If you don't recognize it, you haven't heard part one yet. It's probably the episode right before this in your podcast player. My Diabetes Pro Tip series is about cutting through the clutter of diabetes management to give you the straightforward, practical insights that truly make a difference. This series is all about mastering the fundamentals, whether it's the basics of insulin dosing adjustments or everyday management strategies that will empower you to take control. I'm joined by Jenny Smith, who is a diabetes educator with over 35 years of personal experience and we break down complex concepts into simple, actionable tips. The Diabetes Pro Tip series runs between episode 1000 and 1025 in your podcast player, where you can listen to [e-mail] by going up into the menu. Nothing you hear on the Juicebox Podcast should be considered advice, medical or otherwise. Always consult a physician before making any changes to your healthcare plan. This episode of the Juice Box Podcast is sponsored by Medtronic diabetes and their MiniMed 780G system designed to help ease the burden of diabetes management. Imagine fewer worries about missed boluses or miscalculated carbs thanks to meal detection technology and automatic correction doses. Learn more and get started [e-mail] Juicebox Today's episode of the Juice Box Podcast is sponsored by the Contour Next Gen Blood Glucose Meter. This is the meter that my daughter has on her person right now. It is incredibly accurate and waiting for [e-mail] juicebox oh my gosh, yeah. Yelled at by the doctor.

[Kirby]

That's one that drives me nuts. If I could talk about that. Drives me nuts because there is no doubt that you need to bolus for those things. I get, especially as a dietitian, that even just teaching carb counting is an uphill battle for a lot of people. Luckily for me, I was teaching it for a decade or more before this happened, so I was old hat. It drives me nuts that that wasn't one of the first things we learned about. I get it's very difficult to kind of suss out because everybody's a little bit different and you got to kind of tweak the way that you do it. But it is just, just yesterday I was re listening to your fat and Protein Pro tip with Jenny and I sent my husband a text. I said OMFG answers. Because I wanted that. The idea that you guys were talking about with doing the protein at the end and what was it like doing 0% up front, 100% over three hours? I wanted that. I also wanted. I hadn't even heard of the concept of doing a temporary basal increase for the fat. And both of those things make perfect sense to me because I understand how protein gets turned into glucose and I understand how fat slows down digestion. Why is it almost a year later that these pieces are being put together for me? Because I have an 8 year old who eats pizza and he eats Mac and cheese. He eats all of those things. So we went a year not being able to practice and nobody teaches it.

[Scott Penner]

It's not. It was never going to occur to you.

[Kirby]

That's like, how would I even know to. And I did actually ask early on about bolusing for those and somebody said, no, people don't normally have to do that.

[Scott Penner]

Well, if it makes you feel better, two things. If, first of all, it makes you feel better. I didn't recognize it. Somebody told me about it. I recognize the action and the need to, but I didn't put it together with the fat and the protein.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Scott Penner]

It wasn't until, like, I was talking about it so much that somebody who knew about that was like, yeah, that's this. You should talk to this late. There's a lady in Canada, she's got a website called Waltzing the Dragon. She came on the podcast and like laid the whole thing out for me, really technically. And I was like, oh, that's what I do. I just didn't know that's why I was doing it.

[Kirby]

Yes. Yeah.

[Scott Penner]

And now it's part of the thing. Like, you know what I mean? Like, that's why this thing keeps building. It really is me learning as I go.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Scott Penner]

Just like you are. And I think that if someone would have said that to you on day one, I don't think it would have stuck to you anyway.

[Kirby]

It might not have stuck like the way to do it. But acknowledging that it was something that we could address when we were ready would have been nice. Because, you know, it would be like, then I would know to ask. But instead I had somebody early on say, you don't have to. And, you know, when your kid gets diagnosed with something, even no matter what, you know, even as a dietitian, as a mom, everything I knew flew out the window. Everything. It was gone for like a Hot second. So, like, anything people said to me, that's what we did for a little while, just to stay safe. And then I was like, well, would have been nice if they had said, when you're ready, we can talk about this.

[Scott Penner]

Well, it makes the assumption that they know, too. And, yeah, I suppose bring this full circle by telling you that the person who was chastised in the doctor's office was told by the endocrinologist. Not that, like, that's a difficult thing to explain to people or like, let's not confuse them with that. Told them that's not real.

[Kirby]

Oh, my gosh. See, now that I have to laugh because it's infuriating.

[Scott Penner]

Of course it is.

[Kirby]

Absolutely infuriating.

[Scott Penner]

I don't know what to tell you. Like, people are. People aren't perfect, and some of them are doctors.

[Kirby]

I suppose my expectations are way too high for people. My dad has always said that I'm like, well, I mean, are they really that high?

[Scott Penner]

I think so. I mean, I really do. I. Yeah. I try very much to have a more human view of this. Like, I know doctors. They're just people, too. They're husbands and wives are mad at them. They have kids that don't listen. They can't afford stuff. They, you know, like, they're paying off their blah, blah, blah. They, you know, their moms are sick. I can't believe any of us get up in the morning and go do the thing we're supposed to do half the time. You know what I mean?

[Kirby]

Absolutely. I will. I will give you that.

[Scott Penner]

Yeah. But.

[Kirby]

But because the fat and protein thing is real, your dog dying shouldn't prevent you from acknowledging that.

[Scott Penner]

No. You know, but it does. And, you know, because you forget or you're tired or whatnot.

[Kirby]

Well, in the case you just said, they actually denied it or they don't know. Maybe they don't know. Yeah, I'm fired up. I give people a lot of grace. Right now, I'm just fired up.

[Scott Penner]

Listen, I'd be happy to get fired up with you. I started telling you about something before we got on here, and I alluded to it at the very beginning, that I don't know if I'm getting older and surly or if I'm starting to really. I pay a lot of attention to things. I'm either nosy or I'm interested by things, but I watch the world as closely as I can. And I've noticed lately that no one seems to know how to comport themselves anymore in public. Right, Right. They're unaware of each other. They don't know what they're doing. They're. I watched two people talking the other day. One guy just coughed in the other guy's face. He didn't, like, flinch when he coughed, and the guy that got coughed on didn't flinch. And all I could think was, like, we're, like, a couple of years removed from COVID where everybody wouldn't even, like, stand near each other, right? And now it's all gone out of your head. Like, not. But. But forget Covid. Like, it's all going out of your head not to cough in someone's face. Then go, oh, I'm so sorry. Or for the person to even react. I was like, why is. So I watch that happen. Then I walk around. I see I'm in the grocery store just for contact, right? And this woman's like, you know, she grabs something off the shelf. She walks a few feet, gets into what I would consider to be the main thoroughfare at the end of, like, she's. She couldn't be in more people's way if she set out to be in more people's way. And then she stopped and started doing something that could have happened anywhere, but she's now blocking the traffic of four different directions, and she is completely unaware that this is happening. So I stop. Because whether you think this or not, when you're listening, I'm a good person, okay? And, like, most of us know that. I'm gonna give her the benefit of the doubt here, Kirby, right? I just stop. I got headphones on. I'm listening to something. Truth is, I ain't in a hurry to get back to where I'm going either. So I just sit. I chill out. I'm waiting. I'm waiting. I'm waiting for her to, like, figure out what it is she needs to figure out and get and start moving along. And she looks up and sees me and then eyeballs me like I'm doing something to her. And I was like, is this a fucking joke?

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Scott Penner]

I'm like, lady. I didn't say anything. I just smiled and gestured for her to go by. And then she walked by, and I was like, oh, my God, she's mad at me. That's awesome.

[Kirby]

It's really wild.

[Scott Penner]

No, no, wa. In this same trip, people are going along. I watched a guy get sherbet or, like, ice cream or something, right? Like, the colorful ice cream. Is that Sherbert Herbert Sorbet? No, it wasn't. Sorbet.

[Kirby]

Different.

[Scott Penner]

Does anybody know I was in the sorbet section. I would have known if it was sorbet. Okay. Gets it out, takes 10 or 20 steps, realizes he doesn't want it, and puts it down somewhere that's not frozen anymore. And I was like, okay. And then no lie as leaving and checking out. Checking out, checking out, checking out, doing the whole thing. There's a waste paper basket. Like, there's like. There's like super cashiers. They don't actually have to run the registers, but they seem to run the whole thing. You know what I mean? They have a little like a podium. They have. Right, yeah. And the podium has a little waste paper basket next. Because they do a lot with paper. And this family's walking out. A father. I'm going to call him 38, father, 40 years old, wife, same age, son, 8, 9, 10 range. Daughter, 7, 8 range. Walking along, I see the daughter get a look on her face and then she just hawks up a loogie and spits it in the wastepaper basket that the people are standing next to the cashiers are standing. And she just kept going. And the mom saw it happen. Nothing. The dad saw it happen. Nothing. The brother kept going. And all I could think was, 1978, I'd be 50ft from that location right now. My dad would have hit me so hard.

[Kirby]

Right, right.

[Scott Penner]

Like, I would have just flown. I just would have flown through the air, through the groceries. Is it right to hit your children?

[Kirby]

I don't think so, no. We got to get somewhere in the middle somehow.

[Scott Penner]

From the time I was nine till the time I'm 54, went from like, this is a beatable offense to like, no one looked up.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Scott Penner]

And this was not okay. Like, she wasn't get. For any of you listening. I. I know how you all are now. You try to make an excuse for everybody. Like, there was no reason she couldn't have just, like, lived five more seconds and spit that into a bush outside. She was so close to being outside, you know what I mean? And no direction even. Not even. Like, so now I'm watching. I got my cart too. I'm leaving. So, like, I stay not close. I'm not being creepy, but I stay. I stay close enough to see. Like, am I going to get outside and see a little parenting, hopefully?

[Kirby]

Oh, I'm guessing.

[Scott Penner]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no. That part was over already.

[Kirby]

That's what was in my head is like, maybe they were waiting to talk to her.

[Scott Penner]

I thought so too. So that was me again, giving the benefit that they're going to get the girl outside. They're going to pull aside nice and go, hey, honey, listen, you know, we don't want to spit in the trash can, blah, blah, blah, you know nothing.

[Kirby]

I know, and I don't know how, like, I mean, I could have all sorts of speculation about how all this came to be, but I can at least with you acknowledge that it's just something has disappeared. And sometimes I find myself like, gosh, this seems so obvious. Like how to be a good person, how to think about our impact on other people.

[Scott Penner]

People. Well, why do I bring this up here? Because I think that the only. Because my, my initial reaction was I went home and I said to my wife, we gotta go, right?

[Kirby]

Right?

[Scott Penner]

She's like, what? I'm like, we gotta bug out. I was like, is it. If we can sell the house, great. If not, let's just burn it to the ground. We gotta get out of here. And she's like, why? I tell my long winded story about the grocery store. My must have caught my wife in a mood because she was like agreeing with me. She never agrees with me. We've been together way too long. And so I was like, okay. But then what I landed on was running is the wrong thing to do. I got to keep going to the grocery store and just acting the way like a generation ago new to act, right? And like, and maybe that'll help something.

[Kirby]

I think so that's the whole idea of be the change that you want to see, right?

[Scott Penner]

Like that's it for the people you're talking about who are very honestly probably listening to this. Like, if you know something, like put something into action, like, maybe, maybe your work will say yes to it. Like, you know, try something. Because otherwise whatever the version of spitting in the wastepaper basket is 10 years from now is going to happen. Somebody doesn't stand up and say, hey, I think we should talk about the fact that sometimes fat needs a bolus. Like, it'll just go away. Like, nobody's going to. Like, I don't know where we're all headed exactly. And I don't want to be high minded about my stupid podcast. I think people who know have got.

[Kirby]

To keep saying so agreed, agreed, right.

[Scott Penner]

And maybe you'll be wrong or maybe you'll bump into people who won't agree with you. Maybe if I would have said to the guy like, hey man, your kid just spit in a wait paper basket. Like, are you going to do something? Even if he didn't take offense to it right away, which of course he would but like say he was going to be thoughtful about it. He might be like a kid had to spit. Like what do you want her to do? To spit on the floor?

[Kirby]

Like right?

[Scott Penner]

No, I want her to hold it into her mouth, swallow it like a human being, live through it. Go be uncomfortable for five seconds and don't make everyone else part of your problem. A guy just coughed right in the other guy's face. He didn't even notice he did it. Contour next.com juicebox that's the link you'll use to find out more about the Contour Next Gen blood glucose meter when you get there. There's a little bit at the top you can click right on. Blood glucose monitoring. I'll do it with you. Go to meters. Click on any of the meters. I'll click on the Next gen and you're going to get more information. It's easy to use and highly accurate. Smart Light provides a simple understanding of your blood glucose levels. And of course, with Second Chance sampling technology, you can save money with fewer wasted test strips. As if all that wasn't enough, the Contour Next Gen also has a compatible app for an easy way to share and see your blood glucose results. Contornext.com juicebox and if you scroll down at that link, you're going to see things like a Buy now button. You could register your meter after you purchase it or what is this? Download a coupon? Oh, receive a free Contour Next Gen blood glucose meter? Do tell. Contournext.com juicebox Head over there. Now get the same accurate and reliable meter that we use. Today's episode is sponsored by Medtronic Diabetes, who is making life with diabetes easier with the MiniMed 780G system. The MiniMed 780G automated insulin delivery system anticipates, adjusts and corrects every five minutes. Real world results show people achieving up to 80% time and range with recommended settings without increasing lows. But of course, individual results may vary. The 780G works around the clock so you can focus on what matters. Have you heard about Medtronic's Extended Infusion set? It's the first and only infusion set labeled for up to a seven day wear. This feature is repeatedly asked for and Medtronic has delivered 97% of people using the 780G reported that they could manage their diabetes without major disruptions of sleep. They felt more free to eat what they wanted and they felt less stress with fewer alarms and alerts. You can't beat that Learn more about how you can spend less time and effort managing your diabetes by visiting medtronicdiabetes.com juicebox and that's.

[Kirby]

This is why it's so hard to do the right thing, because we are living in this kind of. And I wouldn't say it's not so hard to do the right thing. I was saying it's. We have so many different perspectives on the right way to be that are existing around us that make it kind of hard to move things forward. But truthfully, like, as I sit here, I think, like, where will I be with all of this in five years? Right now, we are just getting our legs under us, but as soon as there is a path, like, I want to be on that path, talking about it, and maybe I'm not the one to make the change, but my voice could potentially be one of the voices that propels it forward.

[Scott Penner]

Well, all of our voices.

[Kirby]

Yes, exactly.

[Scott Penner]

Everyone's got to do it. Because I earlier said there's no way it's going to happen. That's me being cynical telling you that it doesn't look like things are going that way. It doesn't look like they're going in a direction where enough people say, hey, you know what, we got to say something about this. And around diabetes specifically. Like, I'm not the only one. But, you know, when I was writing a blog, most of those blogs were just like. I don't know how to put it exact. They were just like, woe is me blogs.

[Kirby]

Right?

[Scott Penner]

They were like, diabetes is hard. Isn't diabetes hard? It's so hard. It's hard for me. I know it's hard for you. Let's be sad together. You know, like, that's. A lot of them were like that. I had conversations back then with people writing those blogs. Some of them were really. And I was like, I'm like, I look at you privately like, you're doing so well. Why don't you tell people about this?

[Kirby]

Right.

[Scott Penner]

I don't want to get involved in that. I'm like, oh, okay, great. Yeah. I don't want to tell people what to do or how to, like, because then it's going to open you up to, like, somebody's going to tell you you're wrong and then they're going to yell at you. And I was like, hey, people been yelling at me for 15 years. That's not that bad. You know, it's really not that bad. You can live through it, you know.

[Kirby]

And, you know, like, how long it takes and what actually goes into being able to discover these things. And the things that you discover sometimes really are just for the person with type one that you're considering. Right. And some of them apply to everybody. But especially when you're early on, you're like, can't make heads or tails of things. Like, you don't know what the difference between those two things are.

[Scott Penner]

Right. I agree, too, that you're not going to know what they are. So somebody should say them all, and then you can just figure out which work for you and which don't.

[Kirby]

Exactly.

[Scott Penner]

It's fine. Everything's not a rule. And the other thing is, too, is like, someone's, you know, online, you know, disagreeing with you. You know, that's a minority of people, right? Like, you know, I. Kirby, I'm not going to bring up where we are in the world's history today, because it's not for this podcast. Right? But, yeah, I told my kids yesterday. I was like, I know it seems like the whole world knows about this. And I was like, but it's really only a small fraction of people. And, you know, there's only a small fraction of people who even know who that person is. There's only a small fraction of people who know that this happened. I just went out to. I stopped by a health food store yesterday afternoon. No one knew what happened in the world. If would have said to the person, hey, do you know about this? They would have said, I don't know who you're talking about. Most people are not the Internet. I was like, I know it feels like everything that happens on your screen is everything. And I was like, but the truth is, is that if you go look it up, only a small fraction of people are online every day.

[Kirby]

Right?

[Scott Penner]

And as you get older, you'll realize that that's not the whole world. It's a piece of it. It shouldn't be ignored, and it's not nothing. But there are a lot of people out in the world just doing their thing, living another day. And I was like, and you, you should. That's, in my opinion, what you should be doing.

[Kirby]

I agree. I actually, it's funny that you said that because I went to see a new therapist. I realized that I wanted to talk to someone after my son was diagnosed because I was, you know, having all the stuff going on. I'm like, I just need something to ground me. The first thing I talked to her about was some stuff I was seeing. Not related to type one, but things that were ca. Causing me a lot of anxiety and panic that I was seeing online. And she was just like, limit your exposure. Like, how much of that do you need to know? I was like, well, I think I need to know. She's like, no, you don't actually need to know any of that. If you need to know something, will that information get to you? I said, yeah. And she said, limit your exposure. So I had to take an action. Yeah, it's like a spring cleaning almost, of the things that you're exposed to. It's like, really remove the stuff that is not serving you because you're going to get the information that you need. And why do that to yourself? Because you get sucked in. And so anyway, that's. That was some of the best advice I got.

[Scott Penner]

Yeah, it's great advice. And also it counts for everybody. Like, it would be easy to say, oh, you know, that that's how famous people get treated. Like, I've heard people say, like, well, they deserve it. They want to be famous. So, like, they take what they get. Right? But it happens to me. It would happen to you if you had 10 followers on Facebook. Like, if you can go online right now and I am either a deity or an asshole, neither are true. And, you know, like, who knows? Like, where does that come from? Like, why would you, like, listen, I'm happy. I get that if you. If the podcast has helped you, then you're grateful about it. Like, that's very cool. I think that's awesome, and I'm happy that it. It helped you. But, like, at what point? I don't know. Like, how could this make you so angry? You need to tell people that I'm a bad person.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Scott Penner]

This person, like, said something that I disagreed with. And now I'm going to go make sure to tell everybody that I can find to let them know that they're wrong. And. And I'm like, my God, like, what are you doing? This isn't hurting anybody.

[Kirby]

It is bonkers. It is.

[Scott Penner]

But I'm saying that happens to people. Like, I'm not famous. It. It happens to me. It doesn't happen often, but it happens to me. And it happens to people in their regular lives, too. Like, right. Like this. Listen, I don't understand people's psychology enough to. To really, like, speak about this, but, like, whatever that framework is, that applies to, you know, the most famous person in the world, down to some guy with a niche podcast about a niche disease, because that's really what this is, right? Like, it's not even diabetes. It's not even type 2 diabetes. Type 1 diabetes. Right?

[Kirby]

Right.

[Scott Penner]

Like, it's as few people as possible within diabetes in your regular life. Like, I saw yesterday, there's people online ranting to three followers, and one of the followers is busy telling them how right they are, and one of them's busy telling them how wrong they are. And I was like, oh, my God, this is four people talking is what I'm seeing here.

[Kirby]

And that's. I mean, that's a microcosm of what is, like, happening everywhere.

[Scott Penner]

To bring it back to what you were talking about around diabetes specifically. Like, you can get into that space and what happens. Like, everything feels. So what. Like, why was. What was the feedback online doing to you? What did you see and how did.

[Kirby]

It make you feel regarding Type one or the other stuff that I was.

[Scott Penner]

The Type one thing that mostly it.

[Kirby]

Made me feel comforted that there were so many questions and so many people that had found their way through it. But early on, it felt a little confusing because so much. And still, I mean, to a degree still today, because there's so much that's so specific to our situation, and it's very hard to explain all of that, like, on a Facebook post, you know, like, here are all the things you need. And that's one thing. Another thing, if any of the tech people are listening, would be great to have the ability to put more into, like, if I'm say, if we have to treat a low and to put in how much we treated and when, because I don't remember. I wish we could put a little bit more that wrote alongside the graph so that when we're looking at it, because I don't remember. I don't remember what happened last Friday. I'm like, I know that he had pizza and I can't remember quite what we did. So I think that that's partially how I feel sometimes when I'm trying to piece things together based on what other people are saying online is like, it's not exactly what we're experiencing, and it's hard to place it, kind of transpose it into our situation. So. But what we do is, I know you asked this earlier is like, I hear something and then I try it and I see if it works, and then if it didn't, I try to figure out why, and then maybe I'll go back and see if I can find information on somebody else saying the same thing and try something else. And so it's just like, you kind of keep trying new things until you find it, which you know is going to change Again with, you know, as the years go on. But I had to figure out how to use it because at first it did feel, like a little bit. It made me feel a little anxious because it was kind of. It seemed like so many people had so many answers, which was cool. But then I was like, well, I really don't know how to, like, really overwhelming into what we have going on.

[Scott Penner]

I mean, there's something about the way the Internet works and being online works and, you know, social media, something that it just. It just. I don't know if it's the. The speed it runs at or what it is that it helps people who are already anxious to feel more anxious.

[Kirby]

Right, right, right.

[Scott Penner]

Or in an anxious situation to. To feel it turned up somehow. Yeah. But the irony, of course, is this is the best place to get the information.

[Kirby]

For sure. Yeah. And I think what I, you know, I would urge people to do is just be mindful of, you know, how, you know, your tone comes across different when you're typing versus talking. And what struck me a couple of times is when people say things so definitively like, do this, do this, do this, do this. It's like they don't come along with your disclaimer of, this is not medical advice. So it's like, you know, it's like, you have. I'm so happy for you. You have found what works for you. But when you kind of say it like, this is exactly what you need to do, which not everybody does, I will say that's the minority. But when you're searching for answers, sometimes the minority feel a little bit louder to you. You know, it's like if you get a haircut and like, a million people tell you it looks great, but one person tells you it's not the best look on you. That's the one you focus on.

[Scott Penner]

So you should try being me long enough. You learn how to ignore those people.

[Kirby]

Well, don't you have wonderful hair, though? I mean, so come on.

[Scott Penner]

The voices who have been scared in the past are often the. The loudest.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Scott Penner]

Like, because I see that through throughout a number of different conversations. Like, you know, my kid's blood sugar has been high for two hours. What do I do? Go to the emergency room. Like, wow, oh, my gosh, slow down.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Scott Penner]

And then.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Scott Penner]

You get the. Like, well, if they don't go and something happens, then. And I'm like, okay, okay. Like, not on you. Right.

[Kirby]

It's not. You're not responsible for that.

[Scott Penner]

That's a thing that happened to somebody at some Point. Another one that I. And I don't. I don't see any humor in it. I don't see any humor in any of these because it's. Something bad's happened to somebody along the way. But like, anyone who's had an eating disorder and you start saying, like, yo, you know, I didn't want my kid to have this cookie, it turns immediately into the worst part of what happened to them. They are now going to, like, they're going to tell you about. Right. Because they don't want that to happen to your kid. And it's a loving thing. Like, I really do think it comes from a good place. I think all this stuff comes from a good place.

[Kirby]

Oh, for sure. Of course it does.

[Scott Penner]

Often their experiences change the way they communicate it.

[Kirby]

Yes, absolutely.

[Scott Penner]

And the communication could feel very aggressive. And then they don't. They don't know it's aggressive.

[Kirby]

Right. And I think, you know, I'm very tuned into that because I see it all the time with, like, weight loss. So I. I don't work directly with people, but I hear a lot of weight loss conversations. And somebody will find something that worked perfectly for them. Then they'll tell somebody, say, you should do this, whatever the thing is. And because we're different people, everybody has a different body. It might not work for that person. And what sometimes I'll say often will happen is that they'll blame themselves. They'll think that they did something wrong when really it wasn't the right thing for them. And I think the same thing kind of applies here, is like, if. If we say things with authority that can leave somebody feeling like they failed if it didn't work for them, or if maybe you didn't have all of the information. So. And I don't. I mean, I think you're right. Everybody is saying this from a very loving place because if they found something that worked, they want to spread the good word. Right.

[Scott Penner]

When I was just writing the blog, there was this moment. This lady, she's a lovely woman. She wrote a book called Kids First, Diabetes Second. And I mean, I want to be completely honest. I have a passage in the book. I haven't read the book. So I want to just be clear. I'm so sorry if she hears this. I haven't. I haven't read your book, but I don't read. Nobody should take that offensive. I haven't read her book. I don't actually know what it means. I think what she meant was, like, try to see the kid first, and then like, I mean, there's no other way to put this. I watched kind of like very aggressive, low carb. People say, oh, she means that health isn't as important as having fun. And I'm like, I don't feel like she's saying that at all.

[Kirby]

Yeah, yeah.

[Scott Penner]

You know, I was like, that. That's a weird distortion of what she's saying.

[Kirby]

Right?

[Scott Penner]

But around that time when that book was in the Zeitgeist and it was popular enough and, you know, like, it was like, kids first, diabetes second. This lady doesn't care about, blah, blah, blah. I mean, some people. Some people think it's a great way to think. Like, hey, let's make sure your kid's happy first. Like, who know you care. But I got wrapped into it at one point because I started making the podcast then on the kind of the tail end of that. And it was the. In it's episode 11, which is crazy to say because I so early years will be like, episode 1800 or something like that.

[Kirby]

Wild. Oh, my goodness.

[Scott Penner]

But in episode 11, I was searching for a title and I. Back then, I didn't know how to make the titles. So while I was editing it, I just wrote down things that I heard me say in the middle of it. And it was like a talking head episode where I just was talking to myself. And. And I think at some point in the episode, I said, that's when I learned to be bold with insulin. I was like, oh, I'll call this episode Bold with Insulin.

[Kirby]

Oh, my God.

[Scott Penner]

Right? And I call it that. And it became a thing. Like, it's.

[Kirby]

It's a mantra.

[Scott Penner]

People use that term. Right. And for sure, it wasn't on purpose for me. You know what I mean? Like, I just. It was a catchy phrase that I heard inside of the 45 minutes that I made the recording and I made it the title.

[Kirby]

And then it's a. It's movement now.

[Scott Penner]

Well, those same people came at me, oh, yeah, yeah, he just wants you to use a bunch of insulin for everything. He doesn't care if you eat healthy or not. I'm like, I don't think that at all. But then I gotta make a choice. And the choice that I fell to was that what I see mostly from people is they have trouble with high blood sugars and that caused them problems long term. And I don't think it's a good idea to put into their head that there's an amount of insulin that's too much because it could lead them to not use enough insulin. And to ride with higher blood sugars and to think that higher is better than low and all that other stuff. Right? And so, like, I've got to pick a messaging, basically, like, what side of this coin am I going to stand on more firmly? And I stood on the idea of, like, I think you should learn how insulin works so that you can use it very effectively. I'd like you to pre bolus that you don't, you know, because that, that is definitely going to keep you from using more insulin. You're not going to be fighting highs later. I don't want you to get low afterwards. That is certainly not a goal. But in the end, you need as much insulin as you need. And for 10 years, that small group of people, you know, are like, oh, he's pushing insulin on people. He's, you know, why won't he just tell them to eat low carb? And what. I, I mean, you as a nutritionist know, like, you can't tell people how to eat. No, that isn't going to work. No, it's just not going to work. Like, even if I was. Even if they're right, like, like, just say, give it to them for a second. Right? Like, you know, I'm thinking of this one person, you know, like, sorry, I'm laughing.

[Kirby]

This is gonna be great.

[Scott Penner]

But she's just so crazy, but in a very lovely way. And by the way, now there's like 20 people who think I'm talking about them, and they're all like, I'm not crazy. Actually, you all seem a little crazy to me, but that's just my opinion. Maybe you're not.

[Kirby]

We like each other's crazy, but, like.

[Scott Penner]

But at the same time, like, I think that they just have been saved by a thing and they know it's working for them and they want other people to know. And they, and they do think that, like, too much insulin will cause problems. And by the way, hey, between you and me, it is better to use less insulin.

[Kirby]

Yeah, yeah.

[Scott Penner]

But not so much so that, like, I. That would be nice in a perfect world, right? If you ate lower carb and you got all your nutrients and you were using less insulin, that would be. I do think that would be a better way to go. Right, but when most people don't live lives like that, that's not good messaging for them.

[Kirby]

No.

[Scott Penner]

Right.

[Kirby]

That's not.

[Scott Penner]

Yeah, you gotta do the bigger picture thing. Like, look, I've never gone all the way on what I think, but, like, I do say it out loud enough that, like, I don't understand if you're drinking soda with sugar in it, I do not understand you. I don't understand why you would do that. Having said that, I'm in the minority. Coke and Pepsi are pretty big companies. They're doing okay. You know what I mean?

[Kirby]

Right, right. And, and I think, you know, and that's interesting that you're bringing that up because that is something I have struggled with because you made me think of it when you said kid first, diabetes second or later, whatever it was, that that has been like this convergence of the way I wanted to parent around food and now trying to make it make sense in the context of diabetes because I had a very specific and I still hold it philosophy about the way we talk about food and the way we talk about what we consume. And it really pressed me to figure out how to stay true to that and align with my own personal philosophy and still help my son and help our family manage his diabetes. So like you mentioned soda, but I'll use juice because I know you've mentioned orange juice a few times. Right. I come from a place of there's no. And I hate saying this because it's been said so many times, but it has been said so much because there's truth to it, which is like no food is bad food. But then you have to start asking yourself what constitutes food and is it the amount that you're having that is the issue or is it the actual food? So like in the case of orange juice or any juice, part of the issue, especially with kids, is that it has been over served. It's at too many meals, they get too big of a portion. But we come from a place that has a place and it has some nutrients in it. It can be considered part of your fruit intake. So the way we talk about that is different than what you might tell someone who's trying to manage their blood sugar. Right. Like, so it's been really interesting. Even with. I'll back up a little bit more too. Even just what I've told my kids about food is that I won't tell them. I would never force them to eat anything. It's something I told them so early. I will never make you eat anything. I'm not even a try a bite club type of person. If you don't want it, don't eat it. But fast forward and my son has a low blood sugar and he has to eat or drink something. In the very early days, he said, mom, you told me that you would never make me eat something. If I didn't want to, I was.

[Scott Penner]

Like, I didn't know this was going to happen.

[Kirby]

I didn't know exactly. So it's like all of these things coming together that it's just so interesting to see. Like I say interesting, but really sometimes it's challenging to walk the line between the two because I think as he gets older, he'll find foods that he enjoys that are better for his blood sugar management. But right now he's still a kid learning to eat. And part of that is letting them explore, letting them, you know, you're in charge of what you put in front of them, but at the end of the day, they can eat of that what they want. And I have to try to help manage his insulin around that. So it's just, it's, it's tough, I think, when, when you start talking about the actual food with, with the kids and the drinks, we're still finding our way.

[Scott Penner]

But yeah, you just shouldn't drink sugar. Like, I think it's just, it's like, that's all.

[Kirby]

Here's the thing, like, you can, I mean, it's out there. If I had my druthers, soda probably wouldn't have been invented if I could. That's not the world we're in, right?

[Scott Penner]

You know, don't not drink soda, by the way. I do, I drink diet soda.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Scott Penner]

I don't know. Frequency is the right word. But like I drink diet soda. I said this recently when I was talking to Jenny. I was like, you know, like orange juice, like a couple of swallows of orange juice, like, is like, that's awesome. Like a 16 ounce glass.

[Kirby]

That's exactly right.

[Scott Penner]

Yeah. Like, that's way too much.

[Kirby]

Right? So, and I think I always use the example, like we all, like you all people say, like, we shouldn't, you know, donuts are bad for you. Right? Like, that's, that's the thing that people will say. It's like, well, so is an apple. If you only eat apples and bags and bags of apples and only apples for your life. Like, it is the dose. It's the dose. And the environment that we live in right now is not really that conducive to, you know, foundational foods that are good for health and moderation of the other foods. That's just not where we live.

[Scott Penner]

I don't understand the chemical mechanism of it, but I can tell you, like, after, you know, having used the GLP for two years now, if you gave me a donut, I could take a bite of it and go, oh, that's good. And then not eat the rest of it.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Scott Penner]

But I know for certain that before the glp, I would avoid the donut. Because if you. Because if not, I would eat as many donuts as was there.

[Kirby]

Right, right. Yeah. It is working on your hunger and your fullness hormones. It's also helping with food noise. I don't know if you experienced that, but, like, the internal narrative. So it is, like, I hear people.

[Scott Penner]

Say, like, oh, well, you just, you know, have to have more, you know, restraint or something like that. Like, it's not. It just. I don't know how to explain that. That's not what was happening.

[Kirby]

Yeah, yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I think that those are. It's. People don't. Even the experts, we don't fully understand all that goes into hunger, fullness, weight, metabolism, you know.

[Scott Penner]

Yeah. You have to experience it to understand it, and I can't. It's still hard to put into words, to be perfectly honest. Like, I'm not. I was not an undisciplined person, but I definitely had weight to lose, and I was definitely eating, you know, too much or the wrong thing or whatever enough to hold that weight. And, you know, and there's plenty of times where I didn't eat that way, and my body just never, like, it never responded to eating well. And. No, no kidding. Like, without a certain amount of sugar. Like, I would have told you in the past if you said to me, like, cut out sugar, I would have said, oh, I don't know. Like, sugar's only one of the ways, like, my digestion works the best. Like, if I cut too much sugar out, I can't go to the bathroom.

[Kirby]

Interesting.

[Scott Penner]

That's the thing I would have told you. I believed 100%, and it seemed like it was proving itself out in my life. I don't know what it was doing or not doing, but I can tell you that I don't have as much sugar anymore and it's not a problem.

[Kirby]

Yeah.

[Scott Penner]

So. And I wasn't having a ton of it, but I was having some.

[Kirby]

Right.

[Scott Penner]

I don't know. Like, I just think that the entire thing is. It's easy to say, like, this is the way to do it if it's working for you.

[Kirby]

Exactly.

[Scott Penner]

It's also not easy to put into practice. Just like anything else. Like, say, you know, if you're a runner, you just. You tell a great shape and everybody should run. That's. Oh, yeah. Too easy. That's not true. Yeah. It's not going to work for everybody.

[Kirby]

That's. That's right. Some people can't even walk a mile, you know, so it's. And that's that you can use that as a, you know, what's the word? Metaphor. You know, like, some people can't do what you're doing, even at a slow pace. Pace.

[Scott Penner]

So I just think that in the end, like, people shouldn't suffer.

[Kirby]

Agreed.

[Scott Penner]

And no matter what pathway it takes to get them to that, if it's eating low carb, then that's great. If it's running every day and they can do it, then that's great. If it's. Somebody needs a GLP medication, then awesome. Like, in the end, like, your life is a. Is a very finite thing. It is very short and very finite, and it could end at any second. And even if it lasts as long as it possibly can, it only lasts 75, 80 years. And those last 15 years aren't awesome to begin with. So, like. So maybe you're getting like 60 years that are awesome. But also, if you're an adult, remember this. You don't really remember your life before. You were like, 16 anyway, so you lose the first 15 to that, maybe 20, and then the last 15, you can't walk.

[Kirby]

So basically you're making this not sound great.

[Scott Penner]

Life is 35 years long. Okay? So, like, while I'm in those 35 years, I gotta struggle the whole time.

[Kirby]

No, no, no.

[Scott Penner]

I'd like people to be as happy as possible in that.

[Kirby]

Agreed. Yeah. And I think that's what, like, the foundation that we lay with the kids, especially, like, in the setting of type 1, is so important because though they won't remember every single thing you said, you are creating their formative experiences around food, around their diabetes. And the way you talk about it is so important. And that's what, like, I. With. With my kids and especially with our Type one, I won't ever say, like, well, you shouldn't eat that because of your diabetes. Those words will never leave my mouth. I won't even say that. You know, that's not a great food. That's not a bad food. The only thing I'll ever say is if there is something that is. Has something in it that's not great for them, like an ingredient that's not good for little bodies. I might say, oh, yeah, it's got something in there that's not great for little bod. That's as close as I get. But what you're describing, like, the joy that we can get out of food that ability to do that is laid. It's a foundation that's laid at such an early age. Like, I grew up in the area of, you know, the Jenny Craigs and all of the women in my family going on diets and eating salads. And that has stuck with me till this. This exact moment. I still struggle. And that was put there early. It doesn't mean you can't learn to cope with it and learn, you know, ways to. To thrive. But it has just been so, you know, it has come into focus for me so much with the diabetes because the way we talk about food, we've started kind of walking on ice a little bit. For a minute. It was. Or eggshells. Thin ice. What's the.

[Scott Penner]

You know, I mean, you can walk on eggshells, whatever.

[Kirby]

We can walk on thin eggshells or on ice.

[Scott Penner]

How about you walked on thin ice shells.

[Kirby]

I love it. That's the episode.

[Scott Penner]

Walking on thin ice shells.

[Kirby]

There you go.

[Scott Penner]

Okay. I don't know. These nuts is awesome.

[Kirby]

I. I know. I'm gonna. How about Go Bills? Can we do one of those?

[Scott Penner]

Oh, my God. That's insane. The Bills are never going to win anything. And. And for you to assert otherwise is ridiculous.

[Kirby]

Oh, my gosh. Okay.

[Scott Penner]

In this moment, what a disaster. That organization.

[Kirby]

You have enough stuff.

[Scott Penner]

You know when that quarterback will win. You know when that quarterback will win.

[Kirby]

Think long and hard about what you're gonna.

[Scott Penner]

When he leaves Buffalo, that's when he'll win. Because he's pretty good. Yeah. You guys are jinxed. I don't know how to put it. I love my Bills. Remember the time you lost four Super Bowls in a row?

[Kirby]

I think what you mean is, remember the time we made it to the super bowl four times in a row.

[Scott Penner]

Thank you. Thank you. That's not what it felt like.

[Kirby]

Please. So see again. Formative memories. That gave me grit, brother.

[Scott Penner]

Yeah. Hey, listen, there's something to be said for that. Like, you know, like living through a lot of disappointment really is helpful sometimes.

[Kirby]

I'm telling you. I do look at it as they went four years.

[Scott Penner]

So.

[Kirby]

I mean, not every day that. That one.

[Scott Penner]

There's the only way you could possibly look at that because otherwise you would have to fling yourself into one of those frozen rivers. You know what I mean? That you live near. And honestly, no one should live. No one should live where you are. It's too cold.

[Kirby]

It's not that bad. You know, we had like 90 degree days all summer, so.

[Scott Penner]

But humidity, right?

[Kirby]

Yeah, it's been. It's Been hot.

[Scott Penner]

Yeah. No good.

[Kirby]

All right, listen, talk nice about your food people. That's what I'm saying. Just be nice.

[Scott Penner]

I'll make a point to that, too, is you don't always say what you mean either. And it's hard to, like, remember a day to day, moment to moment. Like, the other night, Arden and I were doing something and was something she had trouble with. And I said, okay, well, you know, I said something like, let me know if you're going to do it, because if not, I have to throw it away because it's not going to be good after this time. Doesn't even matter what we were talking about. And she felt bad about that, but I didn't mean. I wasn't trying to make her feel bad about it. Like, I just. I was, like I said. Then I realized I'm like, hey, we have more. It's not a big deal.

[Kirby]

Backtrack, backtrack back.

[Scott Penner]

Yeah, it was like, I just wanted to, like. Like, I just want to know, like, what am I supposed to be doing with it right now? Like, you know what I mean? Because it won't last past this, and I want to toss it so it doesn't get confused with something else, blah, blah, blah. And then she's like, well, thanks a lot. And I was like, what? She goes, now I feel bad. And I was like, oh, I didn't mean for that. Yeah, wait till you look back over your life and figure out how many times something like that happened.

[Kirby]

Oh, my gosh.

[Scott Penner]

Yeah.

[Kirby]

And I'm sure it happens without them even telling us.

[Scott Penner]

You know, my point is you're doing it. You're doing it right now. Like, you don't know it. You think you're trying not to, which is commendable, but, like, it's gonna happen.

[Kirby]

It is. Yeah. It's tough, and it's like. It's a learning process. I think as long as your intentions are good, that's the part that will stick. You know, we're not bringing our own baggage and putting it.

[Scott Penner]

The only time that doesn't really work is when somebody makes you a Bills fan. Like, that's damaging, and there's no way out of it. You know what I mean?

[Kirby]

You're going to be feeling so ridiculous in February of 2026 about this conversation.

[Scott Penner]

So after the joy of the Eagles winning a consecutive super bowl happens. Well, how will I feel exactly what's going to.

[Kirby]

You're going to feel so silly when we bring that home. You're just gonna feel, I'm so sorry.

[Scott Penner]

You had Stefan Diggs and you ruined it.

[Kirby]

Oh, please. He's fine. He's good. We're good. Everybody's good.

[Scott Penner]

You ruined Stefan Diggs. What do you think of that?

[Kirby]

He was part.

[Scott Penner]

You ruined his career.

[Kirby]

That's. I'm so. I'm not gonna. I. I have opinions, but I'm not gonna share them right here.

[Scott Penner]

Just been on a decent football team. Imagine what would have happened for him. He stuck up there, remember? You ruined that beautiful defensive ends life, too. He was so good. What was his name?

[Kirby]

Oh, my gosh. Which one? Who are you talking about?

[Scott Penner]

Who's the most famous defensive lineman you've ever had in Buffalo?

[Kirby]

Ever?

[Scott Penner]

Who?

[Kirby]

You mean ever?

[Scott Penner]

Oh, my God. Look at how young you are. How old are you?

[Kirby]

I'm 42.

[Scott Penner]

Really?

[Kirby]

I'm trying to think of who you could be talking about. Wait, are you sure you're thinking of the Bills?

[Scott Penner]

I definitely am. Hold on a second.

[Kirby]

Like, old? What? Like a. Yeah, older. Older.

[Scott Penner]

I'm just gonna do it here. Like.

[Kirby]

Like Bruce Smith. You can't be talking about him. No, we.

[Scott Penner]

How did we. You ruined his life, too. Oh, yeah.

[Kirby]

That's not how. I can't believe the turn this is taking. If you could see my face, this is like.

[Scott Penner]

Well, I mean, what did he win? Nothing. He won the one of the great defensive ends. He still is.

[Kirby]

He still is. If you asked him today if he would have, he would say, I would. There was no place he'd rather be than right there, right then.

[Scott Penner]

He would have said, I would have rather been somewhere warm where we could have won something. What do you think?

[Kirby]

Bruce Smith, if you are listening, please tell Scott Penner that you are proud to be a Bill and that you wouldn't trade it for the world.

[Scott Penner]

I don't believe that. I think he wished he would have played in the year of free agency.

[Kirby]

Think of his name, because I thought you couldn't be talking about him.

[Scott Penner]

I was trying to lead you to the greatest defensive end that ever played for the Bills.

[Kirby]

But you said that we ruined him.

[Scott Penner]

His career was ruined by playing in Buffalo.

[Kirby]

Like, why does he still spend half of his time in Buffalo then?

[Scott Penner]

Because he didn't make enough money to get out of there. Because he was before free agency and he got screwed.

[Kirby]

He's nuts. That's it.

[Scott Penner]

Did you say these nuts? I can't believe you didn't say, hey, put these in your mouth and shut up.

[Kirby]

You just said it. So you say all of the things for me.

[Scott Penner]

The Bills are terrible. I don't know What? To tell you.

[Kirby]

We can't go Bills. We can't end like this.

[Scott Penner]

They should be a good team and they're just not. I don't know why.

[Kirby]

Oh, my gosh. You did watch the game on Sunday, right?

[Scott Penner]

It doesn't matter. And you have our old defensive coordinator, and I like him. McDermott, right.

[Kirby]

I'm gonna send you. Yeah, he's amazing. I'm gonna send you a note in February. Just wait. Make sure you're checking your inbox, okay? Just make sure you're checking.

[Scott Penner]

I will look for when you say, oh, my God, I can't believe how they lost in the playoffs again.

[Kirby]

Okay, listen, here's a deal. If they lose, you have to send me and my family on your Juice cruise.

[Scott Penner]

Listen, I can't afford that. Wait a minute. Are you referring to the game? Was. Was it the Ravens and the Bills? Yeah. So the game that the Ravens lost. You're taking credit for winning?

[Kirby]

Well, not me personally.

[Scott Penner]

Okay? Because the Bills didn't win that game. The Ravens lost it.

[Kirby]

You do know that everybody plays until the last second, right?

[Scott Penner]

You can't lose a game when you're up 40 to 25. That's your fault when that happens.

[Kirby]

This is just a difference of opinion.

[Scott Penner]

It's a difference of opinion, right? Like between somebody who is watching the game from a third party position and a person like yourself who's trying to make yourself believe something that's not true. I want.

[Kirby]

Ridiculous.

[Scott Penner]

I swear, I don't even care.

[Kirby]

How about that? I'm gonna tell you something cute. My son said, because when they were playing Sunday night, I did not make it through the first night. I watched the highlights because I had to get up in the morning. But my husband was watching part of it with my son and pointed out, I can't remember his name on the Ravens, who's a type one, and. Yes, yes, yes. And my son, so sweet. He says, I wish Josh Allen had type one. Like, not cause he wanted.

[Scott Penner]

Cause he wants someone to root for with diabetes.

[Kirby]

Yes. And I loved that he felt so okay about having diabetes that he wasn't. Like, he wasn't wishing it on an enemy, he was wishing it on a hero because he wanted it. You know, it was such. I was like, that is sweet.

[Scott Penner]

I take your point. Noah Gray's been on the podcast. He's fulfilling.

[Kirby]

I just listened to that one. So good.

[Scott Penner]

It was good, right? Actually, I think I have an email here from. Here. I have an email here from. Oh, my God. Look at all these emails. You people. You gotta Stop emailing me. It's enough. I don't have a person. It's just me over here. Oh, where's her drawback of fame? Yeah, I am emailing with. Yeah, I'm emailing with Chad Mumas.

[Kirby]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Scott Penner]

Wife right now. I think they're both gonna come on the podcast.

[Kirby]

Oh, that's awesome.

[Scott Penner]

Yeah, so that's really cool. That's another guy.

[Kirby]

Like, he's, you know, we love seeing it.

[Scott Penner]

Also better than the bills, probably.

[Kirby]

Just stop it. Just stop. I'm sorry.

[Scott Penner]

I don't even. Are the bills suck?

[Kirby]

We were going in such a good direction. We were getting off of it. And then you went back. You went back.

[Scott Penner]

I know. I felt like I did. Okay. I think we're just going to call this the episode the bills suck and then that'll be no.

[Kirby]

If I swear, I would. That would be the worst. The worst. I would choose these nuts. Okay. I would choose Kirby.

[Scott Penner]

We've spoken for an hour and a half. Even longer. Rob's gonna have to turn this into a two episode podcast and it's gonna be a two part podcast. Oh, my goodness. And I never once brought up that my mom bought a Kirby vacuum cleaner when I was younger and to ask you if you knew what that was.

[Kirby]

Of course I did. Because I have to always say to people, say, like the vacuum. My response, which I've been working on since a child, is yes, except I don't suck.

[Scott Penner]

There you go. Not like the bills.

[Kirby]

So we were so close.

[Scott Penner]

See what you did, though? You allowed me to do that by saying socks. Yeah. All right. Okay.

[Kirby]

All right. Well, thank you.

[Scott Penner]

We're done now. Goodbye.

[Kirby]

Okay, bye.

[Scott Penner]

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