#1689 Boomer, Cope, Six Seven

Summary

Juicebox Podcast: Type 1 Diabetes

Episode #1689: Boomer, Cope, Six Seven
Host: Scott Benner
Guest: Jamie (T1D parent)
Date: November 24, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this heartfelt and candid episode, Scott Benner welcomes Jamie, a mom from Buffalo, New York, whose son was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes (T1D) at age two. The conversation weaves through Jamie’s life story—her relationships, career, and parenting—before zeroing in on the emotional roller coaster of raising a young child with T1D. Together, Scott and Jamie discuss mental health, evolving diabetes tech, parental anxiety, generational differences, and practical day-to-day diabetes management. Their discussion is punctuated with humor, vulnerability, and widely relatable moments for anyone raising a child with diabetes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jamie’s Journey to Motherhood

• Jamie shares her winding path to marriage, her first brief marriage—a mutual mistake brought on by grief—followed by her current relationship (“threw spaghetti at the wall, and it stuck” [06:57]), and raising two young boys as a football coach’s wife (03:03 – 11:50).
• She credits her close relationship with her mother-in-law as pivotal in her deciding to stick with her now-husband:

  “His mom really was the thing that convinced me to stick around because she’s just so wonderful.” (07:17)

2. Diabetes Diagnosis Story

• Her son's diagnosis in September 2023 came at age 2, after classic symptoms (peeing through diapers, weight loss) were flagged by a daycare worker.
• Jamie’s maternal instinct and immediate online research led her to suspect diabetes even before seeing the doctor:

  “I remember I was sitting exactly where I am right now, having a drink with my husband. And I looked at him and I said, ‘Luke has type 1 diabetes.’ ... And we went to the doctor in the morning, and they did a finger stick, and it read ‘HIGH.’” (12:56 – 13:49)

• Though her son's blood glucose exceeded 1000 mg/dL, he was not in DKA, thanks to early intervention (14:26).

3. First Steps & Tech Adoption

• Jamie’s exposure to diabetes tech came from seeing a Dexcom CGM on Peloton instructor Robin Arzón:

  “We got a Dexcom the same day… I saw it on one of the Peloton instructors.” (18:20 – 18:46)

• She quickly became the tech lead for her son’s care, exploring multiple pumps (T-Slim, Moby, Loop, and now Trio) and different insulins (Apidra, Novolog, Fiasp) (25:29 – 26:52).

4. Parental Mental Health & Adjustment

• Jamie candidly describes a year and a half of daily tears and anxiety following diagnosis, particularly when sending her son to school:

  “After that, I cried probably for a year and a half.” (20:06)
  “I was terrified to send him to school... Every time I saw the nurse, probably for two months, I would cry.” (20:45–21:07)

• She tried therapy, which felt invalidating when the therapist called her “an elitist” for struggling with accepting T1D:

  “I told him that, and he called me an elitist.” (22:44)

5. Searching for Cause & Coping with Uncertainty

• Jamie obsessively searched for a reason for the diagnosis, undergoing genetic testing and reviewing her son’s medical history, but never found answers. Scott notes the fruitlessness but the commonality in this urge:

  “If this, then that. It was always, ‘What is this?’” (23:09)

6. Partner Dynamics & Gendered Mental Load

• Jamie, the more anxious, detail-oriented (“type A”) partner, shouldered the majority of the research and daily diabetes management. She often felt frustrated by her husband’s laid-back confidence (“everything’s gonna be fine”):

  “That was frustrating for me because when he says everything’s gonna be fine, I’m like, how? Because of me... the burden is on me for it to be fine.” (24:29 – 24:50)

• She recognizes the necessity of different roles (“I needed that balance in my life, and he’s helped me with that, for sure.” [55:42]).

7. Tech, Tinkering, and Accepting ‘Good Enough’

• Jamie’s anxiety manifested in continually troubleshooting and swapping tech (over-tinkering). Over time, she has learned to trust her setups, resist constant micromanagement, and occasionally step away:

  “At the beginning with the pumps, I probably overdid it. Now I’m very happy with where we are.” (26:09 – 26:16)

8. Work-Life Balance & Caregiver Burnout

• Jamie describes reaching burnout during summer break when routine was lost:

  “We went from a spreadsheet with lunch in it to wanting to snack all day… my brain’s in overload.” (29:08)

• She took a self-imposed diabetes break, entrusting her son’s care to her mother-in-law and husband:

  “I took a week-long trip, turned all my devices off… I just said, ‘I need to go.’” (27:57)

9. Passing the Baton: Letting Go for Independence

• Both Scott and Jamie reflect on how letting go is critical for kids’ long-term well-being:

  “Your macro job is to make sure that he has a healthy view of himself, his options. Doesn’t think that this is a burden…” (58:24)

• Scott recounts moments of nearly overstepping and the importance of stepping back so his daughter can own her care (“If I kept pushing, we were going to be completely separated… she was going to choose diabetes as a way to drive a wedge between us if I kept pushing” [61:19]).

10. Generational Humor & Language

• The episode takes irreverent turns into generational differences and slang:

  “He’s like a 40-year-old boomer. He doesn’t. He’s not a tech guy…” (25:29)
  “My kids are saying ‘six, seven’ now, like it’s a joke and like, I have no idea what they’re talking about.” (49:23)

• Scott and Jamie have fun dissecting modern slang (“cope,” “six seven,” “Rizz”) and generational stereotypes (41:00+).

11. What Gets Easier? Wisdom for the Newly Diagnosed

• Jamie reassures listeners:

  “It just gets so much easier. You start to know how many carbs things are... it’s like drinking from a fire hose at the very beginning. And then it just turns into a trickle.” (52:23)

• She reflects that, while advice rarely helps in deep crisis, time is transformative:

  “Everyone says, oh, it’ll get better. And it’s just like, okay, well, hurry up and wait for that to happen. But it’s gotten better.” (53:11)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On anxiety and mental load:

  “Because of me, like, that's how it's gonna be fine is I'm going to educate myself. Like, the burden is on me for it to be fine.” (24:48, Jamie)

• On the futility of finding blame after diagnosis:

  “It was always, what is this? … And that’s something that I’ve struggled in the past is just anxiety of not, you know, not knowing what's going to happen.” (23:09, Jamie)

• Scott, on letting go as a T1D parent:

  “Your macro job is to make sure that he has a healthy view of himself, his options. Doesn't think that this is a burden. Doesn't think that you're burdened by it. Doesn't think that you're being oppressive about it. ... That's the real job.” (58:24)

• Jamie, on carrying vs. transferring the emotional burden:

  “I can't put my—the way that it affects me—on him. Especially as he gets older.” (55:57)

• On generational humor:

  “He’s like a 40-year-old boomer; he’s not a tech guy. ... My husband, he skipped right over Millennial and Gen X and went straight to Boomer.” (25:29, 44:08, Jamie)

• On how advice sounds vs. how it feels:

  “I think people said lots of things to me that should have made me feel better, but I was on such a spiral that nothing would have helped.” (53:00, Jamie)

• Scott, closing wisdom:

  “Diabetes is hard. It doesn't usually get any easier, but eventually you should be so good at it that it will feel easier.” (53:20)

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Key Timestamps

| Time | Topic/Quote | |--------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 02:26-07:54 | Jamie’s marriage & motherhood journey; meeting her husband | | 12:27-14:26 | Son’s T1D diagnosis story | | 18:20-19:13 | Getting CGM at diagnosis; learning curve | | 20:06-21:18 | Emotional aftermath: anxiety, daily tears, school fears | | 22:44 | Therapist calls Jamie “an elitist” | | 24:29-26:16 | Parental partnership: mom as info-driven, dad as “it’ll be fine” guy | | 27:57-29:08 | Parent burnout, summer with no plan, Jamie’s solo break | | 37:52-38:31 | Two years to find balance and acceptance with T1D | | 41:00-43:09 | Generational millennial/boomer/Gen Z humor | | 52:23-53:20 | “It gets easier” perspective; practical advice | | 58:24 | Macro parental goal: healthy independence | | 61:19-63:42 | Scott on letting go for child’s diabetes independence | | 68:07-71:08 | Discussing updating DIY diabetes tech (Trio/Loop apps) |

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Tone & Style

The episode is warm, relatable, and seamlessly interwoven with humor, compassionate honesty, and practical wisdom. Jamie’s candor about emotional lows and scalp-tingling anxiety is balanced by Scott’s empathy and witty asides. The conversation is equal parts confessional, therapeutic session, and friendly coffee chat—full of real-world, lived-in nuance.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Every feeling is normal. Grief, anxiety, obsessive searching, and emotional breakdowns are common post-diagnosis, even for those with no family history of diabetes.
• Time is a healer. Experience transforms panic into competence; the firehose stream slows to a trickle.
• No device is “the answer.” Mastering one’s food, insulin, and timing matters more than the latest tech upgrade.
• Balance is everything. Finding a middle path between hyper-vigilance and “It’ll be fine” is crucial—for spouses, for kids, for ourselves.
• Letting go, with love, is growth. Supporting a child’s independence in care while staying emotionally available is the hardest—and most essential—parental job.
• The community helps. Stepping back is made easier by learning from others’ stories and knowing that wisdom often follows struggle.

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For Newly Diagnosed Families

Jamie’s journey underscores that every parent’s emotions—no matter how overwhelming—are valid, that no amount of early advice can rush the process, but support and self-compassion are available in this community. The unknowns will never all be answered, but it gets easier, one day and one choice at a time.

Transcript

[A]

Hello friends and welcome back to another episode of the Juice Box Podcast.

[B]

Hi, my name is Jamie, I am 39 years old and I have a son with type 1 diabetes and I live in Buffalo, New York.

[A]

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[B]

I am 39 years old and I have a son with type 1 diabetes and I live in Buffalo, New York.

[A]

Buffalo? Are they the only undefeated NFL team at this moment? The Buffalo Bills?

[B]

Didn't we just lose to the Patriots?

[A]

I thought you won this week. I don't know. That boy is huge. That quarterback you have there, he's a big person. He's a big person, yeah. You're 39. The kid is how old?

[B]

He's four.

[A]

Four. Oh. Do you have any other little children?

[B]

I do. I have a six year old.

[A]

You had Your first baby when you were 33?

[B]

I did.

[A]

On purpose, by mistake. What happened?

[B]

No, I was. I got married at 31 and was, you know, had baby fever and went from there.

[A]

You have such a big personality.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

Explain to me. I grew up. I mean, you're. You're 39. I'm 15 years older than you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

When I was in high school, people were like, you know, I'm gonna get married. And I was like, yeah, you talk about all the time now, kids. Like, my daughter's 21. I. I don't even think she'll tell her boyfriend she likes him. What's the shift? Because you don't come off, like, mousy to me. I don't think you would not be a person who dated. Like, you're just not interested in it or did it, like. Is the timeline different for you? Can you explain that all to me? Do you know what I'm asking?

[B]

Yeah. So I actually did get married at 25, and that was just a quick oops, this was a terrible mistake. Got out of it quickly.

[A]

How quickly did you know it was a mistake?

[B]

So we were living in New York City, and he was in the army, and we moved to Texas. And as soon as we moved away from all of the distraction, the friends and the, you know, being able to be home in three hours and that kind of stuff, we realized that we were better roommates than husband and wife.

[A]

Gotcha. It was mutual.

[B]

Yeah, it was mutual.

[A]

Oh, no kidding. That's nice. Do you still know him?

[B]

Not really.

[A]

Okay, that's fine.

[B]

No, I mean, I don't follow him on social media or anything.

[A]

Nothing like that. You don't check in once in a while. You remember that time we got married? No. How long were you actually married to him?

[B]

A year.

[A]

No kidding. Probably doesn't even seem like it happened, right?

[B]

It doesn't. It feels like a. It feels like a total, totally different lifetime.

[A]

Did you do it? Because it felt like the thing to do.

[B]

You know, it was a weird time in my life. My. My stepbrother had just passed away in a car accident, and it was one of those grieving, kind of grasping onto anything you could possibly grasp onto, and he happened to be the thing that I grasped onto.

[A]

No kidding. Do you think he figured it out first or you did?

[B]

I think he would have probably. He was a very kind of complacent person, so he would have just stayed in it and been miserable.

[A]

Could have had a house and a car and an unhappy life.

[B]

Yeah. Sounds fun.

[A]

I mean, it's going okay for me, so. I'm just kidding.

[B]

I'm sure you are.

[A]

Okay. So that happened. And that. Does that slow your role on the next. Like, do you spend that time dating? Does it slow you down? How do you handle that space in between getting married again?

[B]

So I moved back to Pittsburgh, where I was living before that. And I was thriving, for sure. Yeah, I was. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I was working. Started to get my mba, was dating. I didn't necessarily love the whole dating scene, but when I got my mba, it was. It was an executive program. So we. There were 32 of us, and we were all in class together all day Friday and all day Saturday every other week for a year and a half. It wasn't like a typical. Like, you meet someone in class and, you know, you become friends. It was like. We were tight.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And it was really, really fun.

[A]

Yeah. It sounds like you loved it, actually.

[B]

Yeah, it was great. I mean, I have very fond memories of that. And actually, that's how I met my husband.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

I was getting my MBA with this girl, Susie, and Susie worked with this other girl, Angela, and I promise I'm going somewhere with this. Angela was getting married to my husband's brother, and she could not wait to get him out of the house. She was like, I gotta find Matt. Matt's my husband. A girlfriend, to get him out of the house. And Susie was like, well, I have a friend. She's single. And they threw spaghetti at the wall.

[A]

And it worked.

[B]

It stuck. Yeah.

[A]

That's crazy. They used you as, like, bait. And then you just were like, no, this is good. We'll stay. Yeah. So, okay. So you basically were just helping. You were being a wing woman. And when you meet him, what about him says to you, like, this is right this time. I got this.

[B]

His mom. It took a couple months.

[A]

Wait, his mom?

[B]

Yeah. His mom really was the thing that convinced me to stick around.

[A]

How?

[B]

Because she's just so wonderful.

[A]

You thought, this lady is so delightful. There's gotta be something going on with this guy I'm not seeing right now.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, he's kind of gruff. He's a football coach. You know, he's. When he showed up at my doorstep on our first date, chewing gum. And I was just. We were going to a nice restaurant, and I was like, I don't know about this. And I was. I was probably too picky at the time because I just didn't really have any interest in anything other than having fun.

[A]

Do you think he was handsome?

[B]

Oh, yeah, he's so handsome.

[A]

Oh, okay. That part was like. So there's enough of a reason to hang for a second? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. He's very nice to look at, but.

[A]

You figured he was going to be a dullard?

[B]

No, I just. The gum thing. And then we showed up, and, you know, he was like, buddy. Buddy with the valet at the restaurant. And I was like, I don't know about this guy. Like, I think he's into himself. Like, just wasn't really feeling it.

[A]

How'd you meet his mom so quickly then? Isn't the meet the mom thing pretty later usually?

[B]

Well, it was. That was two months later. I stuck around for two months, and then I met the mom.

[A]

So you thought he was gruffing all these things, but you. Oh, were you enjoying the rest of it?

[B]

Well, I mean, he. Okay, so a week after we went on our first date, he. I was in an auction. A dating auction.

[A]

Oh, okay. That slowed me down for a second, but okay, go ahead.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. So I was being auctioned off for a date for the American Heart Association.

[A]

Oh, how nice.

[B]

And my friends were gonna come with me. And my friend Susie, who set this whole thing up, had talked to him before that, and she was like, well, do you want us to bet on her for you? And he goes, yeah, don't lose. So, you know, he. He bet on me and won me, and we met up afterwards. He wasn't even at the auction. We met up afterwards and had some drinks, and then I liked him.

[A]

All right. Did the drinks help?

[B]

The drinks helped, yeah. I mean, I think it was the buying me at auction that really was like, all right, this guy's kind of romantic. It's cute. I'm going to.

[A]

What was the going rate for a Jamie at the auction? What did that cost?

[B]

You know what? I think it was like. I think it was, like, $400.

[A]

Oh, did you feel like you owed him the 400 back somehow?

[B]

No.

[A]

No. Good for you. It's awesome.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No. Well, this is nice. Okay, so he. He used his. What he had to keep you in. Then you meet. I know this has nothing to do with anything, but I'm fascinated by this. So then you meet the mom, and you're like, oh, my God. This is a. This is a situation I'd like to be around.

[B]

Yeah. So I meet. I meet his mom, and we just really hit it off. She's so much fun. And we. I think we went. We ended up going camping at the end of that summer. So this was February that we met. And then by August, you know, I had been up to. They had a lake house at the time. They live there full time now, but this was just like their little cottage at the time. So I had been there a couple times. I had brought my dog and we just had so much fun. And then we went camping and we just, like, it was just her and I. And then football season was. Was started up and I don't know, I was like, well, if I'm gonna. If I'm gonna be married to a football coach, I'm gonna have to get along with his family and enjoy being around his family. Because, like, right now we're in season and I don't see the football coach very much, but I see his family.

[A]

I gotcha. That all makes sense. Did he coach, like, high school or college or.

[B]

No, he coaches at the University of Buffalo. He's the offensive line coach.

[A]

Oh, that's pretty awesome. Did he play himself?

[B]

Yeah, he played at Duquesne in Pittsburgh.

[A]

Oh, I know that place.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What got you from. Oh, the job, probably Pittsburgh to Buffalo. That was.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, it was. It was the job. My. So we had just had. My oldest son was turning 2 and my younger son was 4 months old, and he walked in the bedroom and was like, do you want to move to Buffalo? I was like, no, I just had a baby and all of our family's in Pittsburgh and, you know, we had just bought our dream home and.

[A]

Oh. And he's like, I want to go teach five big guys how to push. Do you?

[B]

Yeah. Will you come with me?

[A]

You want to come along?

[B]

Yeah, I guess I will. I guess I signed up for this, didn't I?

[A]

Yeah, I guess since the kids look like you, I'll come along.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you work or are you a full time mom or how do you handle it?

[B]

So I do some things for work. Before diabetes came to our family, I had a staffing company that was, you know, thriving. And then diabetes hit and I. That had to go into maintenance mode. So I wasn't really building new business at the time. But now we're two years in and I'm feeling like it's. I'm. I'm ready to back to it, make that a business again.

[A]

Good for you. That's awesome. Yeah. So the diabetes came in Buffalo or Pittsburgh?

[B]

Buffalo.

[A]

Buffalo. Tell me about it.

[B]

So it was September 2023. My son was 2 years old. He started peeing through his diapers at daycare. I didn't really think anything of it. I was just like, he's just kind of a Monster. He eats a lot. But then he started looking a little bit skinnier. I think he lost two pounds. And he was, you know, 30 pounds at the time. So two pounds was noticeable.

[A]

Right.

[B]

It was actually one of the daycare workers in his room who was just an. A nice, quiet young man. He wouldn't have said anything if he wasn't concerned. And he said to me, luke's peeing through his diapers. I think you might need to take him to the doctor. But nobody ever said anything about diabetes. And I went home and I googled it. As soon as I started seeing the symptoms of type one, I go, I remember I was actually sitting exactly where I am right now having a drink with my husband. And I looked at him and I said, Luke has type 1 diabetes. And he of course is like, no, like, let's just wait. We're going to the doctor in the morning. And I was like, I know he does. And we went to the doctor in the morning and they did a finger stick and it read high. And I was like, well, he just had a popsicle. Like I had, I had no clue. I had no idea, you know, what a normal blood sugar was or even really what a blood sugar was at all, because I didn't have to know. So they checked in, they were like, you know, popsicle probably wouldn't have done that. Go home, pack a bag. We're going to call the hospital, they're going to meet, they're going to admit you. And I go, wait, what? I'm like, we're going to stay overnight. What do you mean? And they were like, just go down, tell them who you are. They're waiting for you. So we go and, you know, they check his blood sugar and it was, I think one of the readings was like, over a thousand.

[A]

Is he in DKA at that point?

[B]

He was not in dk. He, he had ketones, but he was not in dk. Dk.

[A]

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[B]

I can't say what was going through their mind. I know, I know. After the fact. I spoke to the head teacher in his room and she said that she thought it was diabetes, but she didn't want to use the word diabetes because she didn't want to scare me.

[A]

Okay. But they pushed hard enough with the idea of going to a doctor to try to get you to do that.

[B]

People were concerned enough that I. Yeah. That it. It jolted me to. To take action.

[A]

In hindsight, is there an autoimmune in your side of the family or. Or your husband's side?

[B]

Yeah, there is. So we've got some arthritis, some thyroid stuff. No diabetes, though. There was type two. My grandmother had type two when she was much older.

[A]

Thyroid. Okay. How about you? Personally?

[B]

No, I don't have any autoimmune.

[A]

And the football boy, anything for him?

[B]

Not that I know of.

[A]

No Maybe being gruff is autoimmune.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, bull in a china shop, maybe.

[A]

I like how you describe your son as a monster. I don't know. He's kind of a monster, so.

[B]

Well, he was eating, like 12 waffles, and we were like, what is going on here?

[A]

Did he bother toasting them?

[B]

He's growing, guys. He's growing. Meanwhile, his body's not getting any nutrition.

[A]

Did you toast them or was he eating them frozen at some point?

[B]

He would have eaten them frozen if I would have served them that way.

[A]

Crazy. So now you're in the hospital and you're. You're coming to grips and everything. What is your understanding leaving the hospital and how has it changed since then?

[B]

Leaving the hospital? So we got a dexcom the same day. We were still in the emergency room, and I asked for one. And the endocrinologist that we were speaking to, who's actually now our endocrinologist, was like, how do you know about that? I was like, well, I saw it on one of the peloton instructors.

[A]

That's where you saw it on Robin Arzon?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Sweet.

[B]

I was like, she must have diabetes.

[A]

Wait, wait, hold on.

[B]

I don't know why. Like, why that. Like, for some reason that popped into my head, I was like, I know there's something that monitors this. And then you. I'm not leaving here having to stick my son 10 times a day.

[A]

So you're like the little chick that rides on the screen when I'm doing my Peloton has diabetes and there's a thing stuck to her and you heard. Did she talk about it? Did she say the words ever?

[B]

I don't think so.

[A]

Where did you figure that out at then?

[B]

I don't know. My brain just was going a million miles a minute.

[A]

No kidding. Well, you pulled that right out of your. That's awesome.

[B]

Yeah. So she sent it in, and I went to the. You know, I had to go to three different pharmacies to get the receiver and, you know, all the stuff that comes with the. The initial kit.

[A]

Harried feeling, like, just crazy, right? Like, end of the world's coming, we're trying to pack the car with supplies and drive away from the volcano. That kind of feeling.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, it's one of those situations where it's like, ok, okay, as soon as I get home, I can cry. But here, like, what am I gonna do? I gotta. I gotta learn everything.

[A]

Yeah. How long were you in the hospital?

[B]

One night.

[A]

One night. They got you out of there?

[B]

Yeah. So They. I. We had our. Our diabetes training the next morning at like, 11am My husband stayed with my son overnight. He had a game that day. We stayed with him overnight and then went to the game, and I came back down to the hospital.

[A]

Gosh. When do you cry?

[B]

Well, after that, I cried for probably a year and a half.

[A]

Okay, tell me about that, please.

[B]

Well.

[A]

Are you going to cry now?

[B]

I don't think so, but just thinking about it makes me just so sad for. For him. And just I remember when he started school last year, he. I cried probably every day. I cried to the nurse when I met with her. I cried to his teacher when I found out that she had raised a daughter with type one. And I was just like, oh, like, God is shining on me, you know?

[A]

Yeah, because we're going to this school.

[B]

And I was so. I was terrified to send him to school, even though he had been in daycare before. Like, this was school. And it wasn't like four kids to one teacher. It was a whole classroom full of kids.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. And so you're worried at every step, and anytime you. You open up to tell somebody what's happening, all those emotions come out of you.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I mean, it was just like waterworks. Every. And every time I saw the nurse, probably for two months, I would cry. Emotional or am I in generally Emotional?

[A]

Yeah. Generally speaking. Are you.

[B]

I don't think I was as much before I had kids. I don't think I am as emotional now that I have accepted the fact that this is our life.

[A]

Okay. Were you depressed in that time, do you think?

[B]

There were times where I was very depressed, yeah.

[A]

So much so that you told somebody or you just were paying attention to it?

[B]

I was paying attention to it and talking to my husband.

[A]

Okay. And what do you think?

[B]

And I went to one therapy session, and therapist called me an elitist.

[A]

Wait, hold on. We'll get back to. No, actually do that. Actually, the way you're laughing, I'm wondering if they were right. But, like. But wait, what. What was. Why did that happen?

[B]

Well, I was. Okay, so we were eight months in. It was last summer. It was our first summer. And I had gone to this, you know, one of these diabetes meetups where it's all the moms with all their kids, and I just felt like such an imposter. I was like, we're not supposed to be here. We don't have this in our family. This isn't part of our story. Like, it was. I was just in such denial that I just couldn't accept it. And I was, you know, racking my brain for anything that I could come up with that could have caused it. Like, was it vaccines? Was it, you know, what. What was it? Was it this cold that he had or the RSV he had when he was 6 months old? Like, I just couldn't. I couldn't put my finger on it. And my brain couldn't accept that. And I told him that, and he called me an elitist.

[A]

Well, he's probably not a very good therapist, but I never went back. So, by the way, let's say you are. How does that change how he's supposed to help you? Let's not get off on that tangent. But, like, that's not. That's not well done by him. Let's say you could have put your finger on it and said it was absolutely this. My kid had rsv and that's what happened. I can see the whole function here of how it turned into type 1 diabetes. I'm just making this up. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What would that have done for you?

[B]

I actually don't know. I never. My brain never went to the point where it was like, if this, then that. It was always, what is this?

[A]

I need to know why this happened. Yeah, but to no end. Not like I need to know why this happened. Because that knowledge. Yeah, that knowledge will help me. Something, Nothing.

[B]

Yeah. Like, we did genetic testing. We did all kinds of stuff.

[A]

Oh, because you were like, this shouldn't be happening.

[B]

Yeah. I had no preparation for it. And that's something that I've struggled in the past is just anxiety of not, you know, not knowing what's going to happen. And I think that's what really made me obsess over. It was just the fact that I didn't have time to prepare.

[A]

You could have used that anxiety a little bit when you married some boy in Texas. It would have been nice if it said to you, hey, I wonder what's going to happen. We probably shouldn't do this.

[B]

That could have been the reason that I had it. I mean.

[A]

Oh, maybe that's what brought it around. I need some anxiety because without it, I seem to do things I shouldn't be doing.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Well, this is very fascinating. I appreciate you sharing all this with me. And by the way, your intake form said, I don't know what we're going to talk about. So you put yourself in this position for me to pick through your life. I apologize about that now.

[B]

Totally fine.

[A]

Okay. So felt depressed at times, Shared that with your husband? Did he feel Depressed. Was he handling it differently than you were?

[B]

I would like to say the voice of reason, but it's more, everything's gonna be fine. And that was very frustrating for me because when he says everything's gonna be fine, I'm like, how, how's it gonna be fine? Because of me, like, that's how it's gonna be fine is I'm going to educate myself. Like, the burden is on me for it to be fine.

[A]

Oh, you do have anxiety. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. How about that? I recognize this for some lady who I. I married. That whole idea of, like, the way he just laid that out is. Is so crystal clear because he's telling you, we're gonna work it out. It's going to be okay.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And. And that's probably true. And also it's probably true that it's going to be okay because of all the things you're gonna learn about it.

[B]

Mm.

[A]

To help it get along. If you weren't there, would he have that attitude and learn the stuff, or do you think he'd throw it up to God and wait and see what happened?

[B]

I'm not sure what would have happened if I weren't here.

[A]

He's just gonna go, maybe we should go hit the sled. That'll fix it.

[B]

Well, he's like a 40 year old boomer. He doesn't. He's not a tech guy. I'm the one that. We've gone through four different pumps and three different insulins and the CGM we're pretty stable on. We've switched from the G6 to the G7. But I don't consider that like a change on me, you know?

[A]

Right, right.

[B]

I'm always the one that's changing things to make things better, and I just don't know that he would have done that.

[A]

You sometimes change things and it's not better and you're just tinkering too much. Or have you been pretty good paced so far?

[B]

I've been trying not to over tinker.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think at the beginning with the pumps, I probably overdid it.

[A]

I mean, she did that.

[B]

Now I'm. I'm very happy with where we are.

[A]

What pump did you start with?

[B]

We started on the T Slim, and.

[A]

Then you switched and now you're like, maybe I even shouldn't have done that.

[B]

Well, and then we went to the Moby because we were in this, like, very short window where it was like, you can upgrade to the Moby for, you know, a couple hundred bucks. So I did that. And Then I just didn't feel like I had enough. Enough insight into his diabetes when he wasn't with me. And so we tried loop. I didn't like loop. And then we. When Trio came along, we switched to that, and I'm very happy with it.

[A]

That's where you're at now.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What didn't you like about loop?

[B]

The fake carbs.

[A]

You had to keep telling it. You were eating stuff that you weren't. You couldn't fix it with settings.

[B]

Right? I mean, I probably could have fixed it with settings, but I didn't.

[A]

You didn't.

[B]

I didn't. You know, I was just. At the time, my brain couldn't do it.

[A]

So you weren't ready to figure out how to do it, so you kept pivoting, thinking the answer was another device.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Can I say something? Everybody listening?

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Whatever device you're using is probably great.

[B]

Oh, they're all great.

[A]

Yeah. If you're having trouble with it, you may not understand completely how to use it, or you might not understand the impacts of your food or timing of insulin. Are some of the algorithms better at one thing than the other? Absolutely. But they're all very, very, very solid and probably kidding.

[B]

I did love Tandem. I loved it. I thought it was great, but I just couldn't see. I couldn't see what I needed to see to make informed decisions when I wasn't with him.

[A]

Okay. And that anxiety then forced you to keep trying something new?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You still have the anxiety now?

[B]

Not as much. I've learned to let go a little bit, to not look at my phone constantly and check his blood sugar. But it took two mental breakdowns, actually. This summer, I took a week long trip, turned all my devices off. He was with Matt, had a week off over the summer, and I just said, I need to go. And I turned everything off. And he and his lovely mother took care of my son. Both sons.

[A]

You're right about that lady, right?

[B]

She's. Listen.

[A]

I knew Jamie's like, listen, if push comes to shove, I'd marry her and get rid of him if I had to. So breakdowns, like, classic, you know, or just beaming. Just needed to walk away. What happened?

[B]

Just total overwhelm. I mean, this past year, it happened because the boys got out of school June 11th, and I just. I didn't have a good plan. And so we went from me trying to get my business back going, and they're in school and had a really good routine. And then summer hit, and I was like.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

What to do.

[A]

You didn't have a plan for summer?

[B]

No, I didn't have a plan. And it just. It hit me so hard. And two weeks in, I was like, I gotta. I gotta. I gotta get outta here. I gotta get outta here. It was just like, we went from having a spreadsheet with, you know, lunch in it to wanting to snack all day. And I was like, my brain. My brain's in overload.

[A]

How do you like me? I don't have. I would never do any of those spreadsheet. You just made my. Did you ever see that movie with the lady with the big lips? The Erin Brockovich lady? Her real name is. Sorry, we're playing Charade.

[B]

Julia Roberts.

[A]

Julia Roberts. And she's in England, where she meets a boy and falls in love and she's famous. That one's called God.

[B]

Why Notting Hill.

[A]

Notting Hill. Good job. And the. The boy has a roommate who says, I'm going to tell you a story that'll shrink your balls to the size of raisins.

[B]

No, I don't remember that.

[A]

Great line in the movie.

[B]

Watched Notting Hill since I was, like, 11.

[A]

Well, okay, now I have to watch it. Anyway, there's a line in the movie that. That says that that's what. That's how I felt when you said spreadsheet. I was like, spreadsheet? Oh, that's terrible. And. But why do you like me if I'm like, no, it'll be fine. Just do these things. And you're. And you have a spreadsheet. Where do we find an intersection? You and I.

[B]

Like you as the podcast.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not me as, like, the, like, the guy who you don't know, but, like. Like the podcast and, you know, the group, even the vibe there. Like, why is that, like, why is that comforting to you?

[B]

Well, because whenever it's funny, because I. You pop into my head a lot.

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

And it's. It's for interesting reasons. So one of them is, like, in the middle of the night when I'm waking up to give juice, I'm like, all right, I just got to bump and nudge this. Like, damn you, Scott.

[A]

At least it's nothing creepy that your husband's going to come beat me up over. That's awesome.

[B]

No, no. And then it's funny. I mean, it's just like. Like today I texted the. My son's teacher, and we have, like, a group chat with the teacher and the nurse, and I was like, can you just give him, like, half of A glucose tab because he was going down. And, you know, I knew. It's when I have to trust that I know what's going to happen before it happens. That's when I think of you.

[A]

Oh, okay. I'm glad. If I could say one thing to you, I'd say worry is a waste of imagination. And trust that what you know is going to happen, is going to happen. Those things could help you a lot. You know, it occurs to me as you're talking about this, I feel like we maybe as a society talk about anxiety all the time. Like it's bad. I'm not saying it's good, but I think some of it can be good. And as an example, you said earlier you had a really successful self built business.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I bet the way your brain works helps a lot with that.

[B]

It does.

[A]

Yeah. But did you feel anxious about the job, about the business? No, no. But it's the. It's the part where your kid could get sick or hurt or something like that that adds to it.

[B]

Yeah. It's just the anticipation of not knowing what's going to happen. And I think my husband helps with that because he's like, you know, he helps and hurts with the. Everything's gonna be fine. Because I'm like, he's like, nobody's gonna miss a meal. And I'm like, okay. Like, that doesn't help me in this moment, but thank you for that.

[A]

Nobody's gonna miss a meal. Is that. That's his way of saying, we're doing fine, it's gonna be okay?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah. It's interesting because that little bit of a. Like, I'm not an anxious person, but I have drive and like. So, like I built this podcast off of the drive. As a matter of fact, I've been struggling the last month or so with being bored and it's really getting to me. Like, I don't.

[B]

That's interesting.

[A]

Yeah. I have this thing running so smoothly now that I'm just like, oh, I need more to do. Like, I want to accomplish something or make something bigger or better or stronger or faster or something. Like, I can't. Like, we can't just sit here and just nurture this thing like this. Like, even though it's great and it does, I could do. Could keep doing it like this forever.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I don't have anything to conquer and. And that's tough for me. Like really, really hard. That's a level of anxiety. But it doesn't make me.

[B]

It is.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I know. It Is now I can sit here and tell you over and over again that I'm not an anxious person. But let me tell you a story where I will open up for a second. Jamie, you ready?

[B]

I'm ready.

[A]

I have a group chat with my brothers. You know, we text. We're boys, we text all the time or not at all, or sometimes just about sports or sometimes about kids or, you know, like whatever and you know, back and forth. And yesterday my. We're five years apart on the oldest. I don't know if I ever said their names on here. Brian's the next youngest. He's five years younger than me. And Rob's the next youngest. He's 10 years younger than me. And Brian texts and says his weight. He's been using a GLP, had type 2, he had prediabetes, you know, almost. Is it like non diabetic levels, Lost a bunch of weight. Said like, hey, this is my weight. I haven't been this weight. I don't even know when. And we're like, you know, hey, man, that's awesome. Or congratulating him and stuff like that. My brother Rob, who's younger, has been in a situation where his company bought up another company, but they weren't going to be the, the dominant executive structure. And so there was a lot of concern that the other company was going to bring their people in and they're. He's been worried he's going to lose his job for a couple of years, right? So my one brother tells us all that he's lost some weight, doing great. We're real, like, you know, that's cool. 45 minutes. An hour later, Rob texts and I want to find it because it seems so benign. He says, my weight's down to this, blah, blah, blah. We do all the thing and everything. Like an hour and a half later, my other brother says, we're still waiting for the official announcement, but I was told by my manager today that I'm in the plan. And I burst into tears. I'm 54 years old, but I raised those two. Like my mom and dad got divorced when I was 13. I don't know that I did a good job, but I raised my brothers right. And if you told me if I was worried about them, I'd say, no, Rob's going to do great. He's fine. Like, he does good work. They'll, they'll see that, they'll keep him. It's exactly what I've been telling him for two years. Like, don't worry, man, it's going to all work out. I never in a million years would have told you that. I was nervous, anxious, worried about Rob, and I was washing dishes, and it got announced through my headphones. Like, there's a text message from Robert, blah, blah, blah.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Still waiting for official announcement, but was told by my manager today that I didn't have a second to think. My eyes exploded, water came flying out of my face, and I started crying uncontrollably.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I thought, oh, my God, how long have I been worried about Rob that I didn't know that, you know what I mean? Like, so it's easy for me to sit and say, like, I don't have anxiety. Maybe it's because I manage it better. But that's not me managing it. It's just the way my body works. Like, it's. I can't take any credit for it. You know what I mean? Anyway, that's a lot of talking. But I texted. And then I texted him. I told him. I was like, oh, God. And then we talked about it. Like, I actually said, I'm crying. I'm so happy for you, but I don't know if I'm happy for you or just relieved not to worry about you. Right. You know what I mean? Like, it's really great. And then, like, there's some nice things that were said. My other brother said I won the brother lottery. That was really nice, like, stuff. It was really lovely, actually. And it hit me for a couple minutes like, it wasn't just like. And then I, like, let it go. Like, Arden walked in the room and she goes, are you crying? I'm like, yes. And I gotta explain to her why I'm crying. You know what I mean? And. And. And then she's like, oh. And then she was nice to me, so I think she, like, gave me a hug, and I was like, oh, this is lovely. Like, she's gonna be a real person, too, one day. My point is, is that whatever that is, it's part of the reason why I'm successful at this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think it's probably also part of the reason why I'm successful at the diabetes stuff too. But I don't have whatever that slice of it is. Like, you alluded. You didn't allude to it. You said earlier, like, I probably wasn't this emotional before I had kids. So is it, like, do you think it's a mix of that anxiety that is valuable in your life in some places and probably valuable in this place, but then mixed together with what? Hormones and worry. Like, how do you describe the stew that it is?

[B]

I would say it's definitely hormones. I don't know. I think you just, your empathy increases when you have kids, I would think.

[A]

I mean, is that how it feels to you?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, I, I, I think I'm much better at relating to people that I don't, that I wouldn't necessarily relate to otherwise. I think it's, it's a big mixture of all the things. But having kids changes you. It totally changes you.

[A]

Right. And, and you're mad. You feel like it's, it's kind of. What's the word? I'm like, is it settling in? I can't believe I said that, because people are like, how's your diabetes? Is it settling in? Do you find, like, you're finding, like, a balance with it as time goes past? You are?

[B]

Yeah. But it took about two years.

[A]

Two years?

[B]

Yeah. I mean, even, even last month. So we just switched insulin again last month because I was just having the hardest time and just having, you know, lows upon lows. We were just, we had a nice stretch where it was like, no issues, and then it just went haywire. Then we switched insulin and now we're back to a good place. But I think it's, it ebbs and flows.

[A]

What made you switch to insulin and what'd you switch from to?

[B]

I switched from APIDRA to B. OSP and it just felt like, it felt like the carbs just hit his little body so hard that I needed something that was gonna hit hard back faster.

[A]

They are two different profiles, for sure.

[B]

Yeah, the, the apidro, it was good. It just felt like it took so long to, to do what I needed it to do.

[A]

I like a piedra because it's. How does it feel? Like more consistent or, like, spread out? I don't know how to put that exactly. You don't get, like a fast crash from it. And that's me.

[B]

Yeah, I did notice that. I did like that with that, and I liked that there wasn't like, a tail.

[A]

Yeah, it doesn't, it doesn't have much of a tail.

[B]

We were on Novologue before that, and it just seemed like hours later. It was like a tail and he would dump.

[A]

That's what got me from Nova Log to a Petra.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is the, like, you know, to a lot of two arrows up before I really understood how to bolus. But then a lot of crashing later, and then I switched her to a piedra a long time ago. And it hasn't been like that since, but it also is not like, it's not going to be like fiasc where you're like, where it works more quickly now. How long has he been using fiasp5.

[B]

Pods in so a couple of weeks.

[A]

So, you know, some people report that that fast action kind of dissipates over time.

[B]

Oh, great.

[A]

Keep an eye out for that.

[B]

I will.

[A]

I'm not saying it'll happen for sure, but like, that's it. And he doesn't, he's not. It doesn't sting or burn for him.

[B]

No, no, no. And the other another thing with, with Apidra, why we switches at the, like, end of the last day? So day three on the pod, it was like, just not working. And that started maybe two months ago. And I was like, what's going on here? It just like after that day three pod, it was, it was just like highs. Yeah, all the time.

[A]

Gotcha. You know, earlier you called your husband a boo. What'd you call him? A something boomer.

[B]

Oh, a 40 year old boomer.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. You called him a 40 year old boomer, which I found hilarious. And it made me bring up like all the generational titles in front of me to look at. And I realized, because how old is he? When was he born? What was his birth date?

[B]

1984.

[A]

Yeah, he's a millennial. Yeah, right, but. And by the way, for people who don't track this stuff, connected and digital, care about purpose, social issues, value experiences over things, that's a millennial. Baby boomer. Post war growth, optimistic, hard working, competitive, value, status, stability. Grew up during a rise in prosperity. A rising prosperity. It's interesting because as I looked, I realized I think I'm a blend of three of these. And I don't know how that happened.

[B]

Well, it could be because you had younger brothers too.

[A]

Because that's what I started wondering. How much of it is, how old your parents are. If you're overlapping generations and your parents are younger or older, does it drag you in one direction or the other? How much of it does my job?

[B]

And having to have that parental role at a young age probably had something to do with it too.

[A]

Because as you look through these. Have you ever done this for yourself?

[B]

Not really. I'm a millennial. Like I'm, I'm 100% millennials.

[A]

You fall right in there. Oh yeah, because Gen X, independent, pragmatic, resourceful, skeptical of authority, first digital adopters. That's literally. That describes me. But I'm also optimistic, hardworking, competitive, and values status and stability. I have that too. And then you slide the other way to millennials connected in digital. 100% I am, but I think that's my job.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Care about purpose. I really sincerely do. Social issues. Yes. Value experiences over things. Yeah. But I wouldn't, I, I wouldn't put that one on me. And then you go to Z. Digital narrative. Socially aware. Expect inclusion and authenticity. Fast moving multitasker. I am digitally connected. Fast moving multitasker. The stuff in this stuff in the middle there. Like, I have my social, like, opinions, but I also don't think I'm in charge of the world. I don't think I'm going to be able to, you know. You know what I mean? Like, you know when somebody's like, using their Instagram, like, they're going to fix the world with it, I'm like, I don't think that's going to work. That part I wouldn't fall into.

[B]

So you're not an elitist?

[A]

I'm not an elitist. I don't know. People have called me that.

[B]

I'm sure they have.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For saying you're just misunderstood.

[A]

It's possible. I also, like, maybe not. Who knows? I couldn't begin to tell you. Generation Alpha, born to screens and smart devices. Highly connected. First fully 21st century generation.

[B]

Yeah. That's our. That's my kids.

[A]

I gotta think that. But that's how I feel now.

[B]

Well, you have to be.

[A]

I guess so. And then Generation Beta, just beginning. Expected to be more immersed into AI, digital tech, global change.

[B]

Wait, we're already done with Alpha?

[A]

Alpha's over 2010 to 2024. Beta started 2025. Do you not hear yourself in all those things?

[B]

Yeah, I mean, everything's cross generational. Like, we learn things from our parents, you know, my husband, he skipped right over Millennial and Gen X and went straight to Boomer.

[A]

Is it the football thing, do you think?

[B]

It could be. I mean, he just, he uses his phone like he has to be on Twitter and stuff for football, but otherwise I don't know that. Like, I think he would just be one of those people that just kind of left their phone in the car. You know, if he didn't, if he didn't have to be connected, I don't think he would be right. Like his. I remember hearing a story about his dad when he, they first got cell phones. His voicemail was like, hey, this is John. I'm not in my car right now. Like, that's why he wasn't answering his phone, because he wasn't in his car right now.

[A]

My car is where the phone is. Then that's why you're not hearing from me right now. And that's that.

[B]

Right?

[A]

Yeah. That's 20 years removed from if that the machines existed back then. He'd be like, hey, I mean, I'm not in the kitchen, so that's why I'm not here. Right. The cord doesn't reach to where I was. It's very. I, I think this might just be like the. I don't know, maybe this is more like, you know, I'm a cancer, I'm an Aries, like kind of bull that also sometimes is right on. You know what I mean? Like, I don't know. I just. You cracked me up when you said 40 year old boomer because I know enough about it to know that that was really funny. But not enough about. That's why I pulled up. Because I don't know enough about it. Like, I don't know what a millennial is or Gen Z. I don't. I wouldn't have been able to tell you that on my own.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So interesting.

[B]

The reason I said that was because, like, I build the apps. Like I, I do the updating on, on the apps and I'm the one that's tweaking everything in his, his diabetes care via trio at this point. And like, I just don't think my.

[A]

Husband could do it if he had to. Cody?

[B]

I don't think so. You know who I think could if they had to?

[A]

His mom.

[B]

His mom?

[A]

Yeah, that lady you married.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I wonder if he knows he's allowed to have sex with you because of how great his mom is. Does he ever thank her?

[B]

He should.

[A]

That's awesome. I hope he hears this.

[B]

Oh, he will.

[A]

Oh, that's good. Also, football's cool. I like football.

[B]

Yeah, football's cool.

[A]

Yeah. Do you go to games?

[B]

Yeah, we go to all the home games and some of the, some of the away games.

[A]

Nice. The kids go to.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

That's awesome. How do you find managing the diabetes in the cold at the games?

[B]

We don't go to the cold games.

[A]

For that reason or because you don't want to be cold?

[B]

Well, because in November, the Mac turns into action and they play on Tuesday and Wednesday nights at 7:00 o' clock or 8:00'. Clock.

[A]

Oh, bad timing.

[B]

And my kids are 4 and 6.

[A]

Yeah. Well, that makes sense. Yeah. Like now with the technology being the way it is, it's occurred to me a few winters in a row, like, how different it used to be when it was freezing out, you're, like, pulling out a meter all the time to check blood sugars. People's hands were cold and like. Yeah, none of that really happens much anymore now with CGMs and stuff like that and pumps and. You know, like, when you're. You're overdressed for the weather and your kids, like, only wants to take a shot in their leg and. You know what I mean? You're just like, I guess we'll get.

[B]

Going through the snow.

[A]

Suit, go in the car, we'll take your pants off. We'll get it warm in there first. Like, I've done all that or been in, like, you know.

[B]

Sure.

[A]

Public places where you're like, well, we have to go somewhere, because she doesn't want it. Like, in a place that's accessible. I will tell you that I have in the past given injections through clothing, which I know you are not supposed to do.

[B]

Right.

[A]

But it's definitely happened. Yeah. And now it. It is all just a little easier. And that. As I'm looking at this Generation Beta thing, it's making me wonder, like, I wonder how it'll change again.

[B]

Could you imagine being called Generation Beta?

[A]

That seems weird, right?

[B]

Like, how emasculating.

[A]

What's the next one gonna be?

[B]

It's gotta be C. Whatever C is.

[A]

Is it just gonna keep going Kappa? You went to college. You got an mba.

[B]

I did. I was in a sorority, too, and I had to learn the Greek Alphabet. But it's just. It's escaping me right now.

[A]

What was the MBA in? Business. It's master's in business. Like, it was, with a focus, though.

[B]

On something being awesome.

[A]

No formal cohort governing body defines generational labels. Many are societal or marketing conventions. So it has. Nobody's come up with it yet. Wait, continuing.

[B]

Nobody's come up with what?

[A]

I mean, what this is saying is, like, if it follows. Continue to follow the Greek Alphabet. The generation after Beta will be Gamma.

[B]

Gamma. That's it.

[A]

Yeah. And then Delta, born from 2040 to 2054. But this is not official. It's a logical. This is AI Telling me this is the logical idea. But it doesn't mean that's what's going to happen, because society might deem it something else.

[B]

Why? We just went from X to Y to Z and now we're back at Alpha.

[A]

Why?

[B]

Why would it deem it anything else?

[A]

I think because motherfuckers don't make sense. That's probably why. But I think it's interesting. I think it's because the society just picks things that happen. Like, I mean, you know, where did sus come from?

[B]

Suspect.

[A]

Yeah, but why? Like, why wasn't it something else? Like, what's the big one now, Riz? Well, no, no, no. I'm talking about, like, if somebody explains how they feel about something, what do they call it now? Cope. Oh, yeah, right. Look how you don't know that because you're busy living your life.

[B]

Well, yeah. And like, why would I know that? My kids. My kids are saying six, seven now, like it's a joke and like, I have no idea what they're talking about.

[A]

What does that mean? I don't know. You don't even know.

[B]

I was like, oh, well, seven, eight, nine, you know, and my six year old is like, no, six, seven. And I'm like, what is six, seven? Look it up.

[A]

I'm trying.

[B]

It's ridiculous. Nobody knows. I don't even think they know what it means.

[A]

It's a viral phrase used especially by teens. Originates from the song doot doot 67 by rapper Skrilla. It often associated with the basketball player Lamelo ball because he's 67 tall. It has no fixed meaning. Sometimes it means something is so so or awkward. It can also reference height or tall. We're doomed. Is that really. Oh, my God. Yeah. Your kids are idiots. Look at that.

[B]

They're just repeating what they hear at school.

[A]

But they're little, though. How are they even do? They're six and four and they're running around going six, seven.

[B]

Well, they go to school with up to eighth graders.

[A]

Oh, like on the bus and stuff?

[B]

Well, yeah, I mean, just in general. Like, the school is. It's an elementary and middle school combined. It's like a small Catholic school.

[A]

Oh, oh, okay. All right. So there's really a mix there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So by the way, when somebody says what you're saying is cope, they're accusing you of, like, being in denial or not accepting reality.

[B]

Oh. Like that's how you're coping with whatever it is.

[A]

Right, Right. So you couldn't possibly mean what you're saying. You're just coping.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is an interesting part of, like, the mock outrage thing online, where, like, you know, you have an opinion and I start a channel and I just take the opposite opinion. And then anytime you explain your opinion, I just say, oh, that's cope. You're wrong. Because I'm. Because what I think is right. And it's so interesting that nobody. The idea of like, middle now is so inflammatory to some people.

[B]

Oh, yeah. No, you can't be. You can't be Switzerland on anything.

[A]

Yeah, I am. I think that makes sense. I think it's going to come back.

[B]

I hope so.

[A]

I think you make a lot of sense, and I think they make a lot of sense. Not about everything, but a blend of it is where reality is.

[B]

Well, yeah, I think everybody thinks that. They make a lot of sense or they wouldn't. They wouldn't be saying it.

[A]

Why is being centrist like a bad idea, then?

[B]

Because you're not taking a stand.

[A]

I know, but that doesn't mean anything.

[B]

Some things don't need a stand, though.

[A]

Yeah, most things don't need a stand, actually. If everybody was just being reasonable, most of this wouldn't be happening.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay. I'm sorry. We've gotten off the topic, which, by the way, the topic is. I have no idea. But I have enjoyed our conversation. So now that we've been doing this for, like, an hour, and we didn't start with a topic, and it's gone the way it's gone. What about diabetes or your experience with diabetes? Should people know about.

[B]

Well, I know that everybody says this, but it just gets so much easier, you know? Like, you start to know how many carbs things are. And I'm not to the point where I'm like, oh, that's one unit, but I am to the point where I'm like, oh, that's 30 carbs, and I don't need to look it up. Everything. It's like drinking from a fire hose at the very beginning. And I know you've said that a million times before, but it really is. And then it just turns into a trickle.

[A]

Yeah. Is there anything that could have been said to you back then that would have made it feel better or hopeful or anything? What would have made those feelings go away?

[B]

I think people said lots of things to me that should have made me feel better, but I was on such a spiral that nothing would have helped.

[A]

Yeah. So the answer is probably not.

[B]

Probably not. I mean, everyone says, oh, it'll get better. And it's just like, okay, well, hurry up and wait for that to happen. But it's gotten better.

[A]

Good. Well, that's my. Listen, I've. The way I found to say it over and over again is that diabetes is hard. It doesn't usually get any easier, but eventually you should be so good at it that it will feel easier. And that's kind of. Kind of the same thing, actually, in the end. But it takes time, and you have to have Experiences. You have to have the ability to step back during those experiences and really absorb them, not get super dramatic and, like, give them away or throw your hands up because they are learning experiences, and if you don't take the knowledge from it, then you're just going to be doomed to have it happen again and again until you figure it out.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, macro is helpful. You know, don't. Don't stand too close when you're trying to figure it out. I think that all is true, and I hope that people hear that and. And can, you know, be quantitative about it and try to apply it in their lives, But I don't know if that's possible when you're crying every time you look another human being in the face.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, like, you know, support yourself with people around you. And, you know, hopefully guys that don't just say, it'll be okay, because that's me. By the way, I would have done the same thing to Kelly. I probably did. You know, like, oh, it'll be all right. Don't worry about it.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I just did it with painting that we painted a couple of rooms, and she, like, put what I consider to be a significant amount of effort into choosing the colors.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

To the point where, like, one of the kids. I won't say which one, in case she ever hears this, was like, hey, why is the lady so wrapped up in what color is the walls gonna be? And I was like, I don't think you should say that to her.

[B]

The lady.

[A]

This one's way taken with this idea. But. But you know what? The colors up now looks great. And I know. I know for sure, if it would have been me, I would have been like, oh, that one's probably fine. And why would you care about it? I. I wouldn't. And during the picking period, I did probably say, at some point, Kelly, it doesn't matter. Just any one of those three is fine, and she did not find that valuable. So.

[B]

No.

[A]

Yeah, there's. There's a blend in here somewhere. Jamie, between whatever hormones and childbirth does to ladies is super necessary. But that vibe of, like, yo, chill out. It's going to be all right. That's necessary, too. Like, I can't believe that I've accomplished this, and I didn't do it on purpose, but I think you need a more centrist view of.

[B]

I agree with that, and I think I do have. I mean, I needed that balance in my life, and he's helped me with that, for sure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I'm still very type A when it comes to diabetes management.

[A]

Think it's gonna stop?

[B]

I don't know. I'm trying. I'm doing better with not letting the highs and lows affect me so much because I can't make this my. This is his burden and this is something that is gonna affect him. I can't put my the way that it affects me on him.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because especially as he gets older.

[A]

Tell me why.

[B]

Well, I mean, he's gonna. He's gonna be the one that's physically feeling these highs and lows and physically feeling, you know, the drop when you have too much insulin. And you know, I'm not feeling that. I feel it for him right now because emotionally I feel it for him. And it affects me when he's high for a long time and it affects me when he goes low really fast. And you know, like yesterday he was dumping cause they had cake in school and just the insulin hit faster than the cake. And it was right before he was about to get on the bus and I was like, wait, stop everything. We can't put him on the bus. I went and got him, but it's just like, it's nerve wracking. And then the Dexcom goes out and it's just like everything hitting all at once. And this is going to be happening to him. I can't be the additional burden on him.

[A]

Right. Because why? What'll happen to him if that's who you are?

[B]

Well, he'll push me away.

[A]

Right. And by the way, to the therapist. You tried one time. That's what you should have done. What I just did right there, it's beautiful what I did. It was awesome. Actually.

[B]

You're a wonderful therapist.

[A]

You know what? Seriously, I walked you right through it. And why was it hard? Why do you have to call you an elitist? Terrible.

[B]

So rude. Right?

[A]

Do you like that? I set myself as an elitist to ask why he called you an elitist. That was for.

[B]

Yeah, but it was smooth.

[A]

It was for your humor too, like. But now I'm shining a light on it to see so that the people are now mad at me can go, oh, he was kidding. And the people who knew I was laughing are like, I'm so much smarter than everybody else. Now you're an elitist. What do you think of that?

[B]

I mean, I've been called it before.

[A]

No, I mean the other people listening who are like, I got the joke the first time. Yeah, you got to remember there's other people here, just not us. Just not now.

[B]

Oh, hi.

[A]

Yeah, hi.

[B]

Hey, hey, guys. No, but it's just. It kills me that, like, I can. I can have a meltdown and go away for a week and turn diabetes off and he'll never be able to do that.

[A]

Yeah, it's upsetting. It really is, but it also is. He'll find a way to do that on his own. But the goal is for him not to find that way by not taking care of himself for a week.

[B]

Right.

[A]

So the. Your real job, micro, your real job is don't let him get on the bus when his blood sugar's falling, et cetera, and all that other stuff.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Your macro job is to make sure that he has a healthy view of himself, his options. Doesn't think that this is a burden. Right. Doesn't think that you're burdened by it. Doesn't think that you're being oppressive about it. Doesn't think all those other things. That's the big picture stuff. It's the stuff I didn't realize till the last few years. That's the real job. Yeah, you got to keep them alive. And, yeah, you got to make sure you can take care of the thing. But that's to your point. Earlier. Going to come and you're going to be on. You're paying attention to it, so you're going to figure it out.

[B]

So how did you go through the period of Arden gaining independence without being overbearing?

[A]

Oh, going through. Still not go through it.

[B]

Going through.

[A]

Still not all the way through it yet.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Maybe we'll never be. Who knows, right? It was hard at first because all of my instincts were with you and. And my memories of, like, your memory is, oh, my God, his blood sugar's tanking as he gets on the bus. I got to text somebody and stop him. My memory is her having a seizure or the time that her blood sugar was crashing while she was in gym class and that I was in the shower and I was texting her and texting her and calling and calling and getting out and drying myself off and putting on enough clothing and thinking, oh, my God, am I going to drive across town and run into the gymnasium and, like, you know, texting and calling and calling and texting and the whole thing and getting right to the front door. Going into school because of 911 now you can't walk into a school. You know, you have to, Right. You know, there's 17 concrete barriers out front. You got to get around them, and then you get inside, you buzz them in. I look the lady in the face and I'm Like. And I start talking, and I realized that whatever I was about to say, you would have locked me up if you. If you saw me out of hand, you would have been like, there's something wrong with this guy. And just as that happened, my phone rang, and I picked it up, and I was like, hey. And she goes, hey, are you trying to call me? And I'm like, yeah, you're really low. She goes, oh, yeah, I took care of that. And that was it. And I turned around, half wet, half dry, half dressed. I looked at the woman in the window, and I was like, sorry, and just walked out. Like, I didn't even. I didn't even contextualize it for her. I was just like, I'm leaving now, and left, drove back across town, went back upstairs and got dressed. But when something's happening to her five years later, ten years later, those are the things that hit your nervous system when you're thinking about it, right? The big stuff. How do you get past that? For me, it was the day I realized that if I kept thinking about it that way, she was literally not going to talk to me, that we were going to be completely separated on her. And I don't mean talk to me ever. I mean talk to me about her diabetes, that we were going to be separated about that. And here I was with all this information and knowledge that was going to help her, and she was going to choose diabetes as a way to drive a wedge between us if I kept pushing. And so you have to step back and then let things happen that, you know, you could stop and just let them happen. And where do you get the confidence from that? I got it from interviewing all you guys who live through it. And I thought, oh, she'll live through it. And she knows what she's doing, and she's earnest enough about it. She's not gonna. Like, Arden's not gonna wake up one day with an 11. A1C. Like, when Arden's really struggling in college, her A1C is like 6, 7, right? And there was a moment in my life where I saw that, and I thought, oh, my God, I could have a 5. 5. She just needs to do this here and that here and do that over here and change his pump this time instead of that time. Like, this is very easy. I could do this forever, right? But she's not in my position. And I learned that from people, too. Like, why do people not take care of themselves until they want to do it for somebody else? Right? Like, why is that such a common Human story. I don't know, but it is. So I believe that and I moved on. Arden's not going to give herself a 55 until she decides she needs to. When's that probably going to happen if she has a baby? That's the most common answer for women that I talk to. Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Every once in a while. It's when I met a guy and I was way out of control and I wanted to be married. But that's not her. Her vibe. 6, 7 is not out of control. Right. Like, there's, there's nothing wrong with that. She could live her whole life like this.

[B]

Six, seven.

[A]

Yeah. Like, and be great. Like, this would be fine. And sometimes she's a 6 5, sometimes 6 2. Depends on her stress level, how busy she is at school. But at some point when, when we, we did that, then it became like, you don't get to be involved in this anymore. I rode the horse too long. It was trying to throw me at that point. Okay. And so then I backed completely off for like six months. And then slowly she'd be like, hey, can you help me with this? You know, that kind of thing. And now, more recently, once in a while, I'll send her a text. I'll be like, hey, like, you know, you really got to bolus whatever it's suggesting here. You should bolus it. And now she's back to like, we reset our relationship.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And if I would have fought against that, then, you know, then I have the, the Jerry Springer equivalent of a 16 year old girl who's pregnant just to show me. You know what I mean?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

And instead of that, we're good. Like, we're really in a good spot. Good. Yeah. So I don't know. In that word salad somewhere is the answer.

[B]

Yeah, no, I, I think I got an answer out of it for sure.

[A]

Cool. Awesome.

[B]

Did you use caregiver with loop?

[A]

That doesn't sound like a thing I know about.

[B]

Like, were you able to remote bolus?

[A]

Oh, I never put myself in a position to be able to remote bolus. I did have it set up that I could change basel. Like temporary basel rates.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But there's always been this confusion as to whether or not that actually worked or not. There's some people in the dev side of it who tell me, like, that doesn't really do. Like you're seeing it on screen, but it's not happening.

[B]

You thought you were doing something.

[A]

And there's part of me that thinks that that can't be true because I've seen myself manipulate it, but I've asked myself over and over again, did I just wait so long that it was happening anyway? And I deluded myself into thinking I was doing it. I don't know. Now when she's on Trio, I actually do have remote bolus on my phone.

[B]

Oh, you do?

[A]

Yeah. And so one of the ways I got through the time where we were less connected without bugging her. This is where she's going to find out about this One day, probably. If she was struggling, I would give her the suggested insulin it was asking for.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And she didn't know it didn't. Her pump didn't beep or anything.

[A]

I mean, it. She can hear it going in, but she's also aware of it now. People are gonna be like, that's so dangerous. Well, I'm talking about like 0.4 to change like a 160 to a 130. Like, stuff. Like, I wasn't. I'm not sending like five units of insulin through or something like that. If I was ever in a situation like that, I would. And had like bit the bullet, sent her attacks and said, hey, you need a lot of insulin. I'm not comfortable, you know, giving it to you without you knowing, so you need to do it yourself. Also, she was not unaware that she was getting insulin remotely. She knew that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I wouldn't send her a text if it was 0.2 or.4 or something like that. But I would text her and say, hey, listen, you need a unit right now. Give yourself a unit. Here's an example of a real life example. Like she's in a class, she doesn't answer me back. Doesn't answer, doesn't answer. I'm looking on Night Scout. She has not bolused. And so the next thing I do is I push the unit through and then I send a text that says, hey, at 10:15, I bolus the unit that it was asking for, FYI, so that she would know it was there. It was nothing nefarious. You know what I mean? Yeah, that helped because I think there was an amount of time where she didn't want the connection, but she did want the help.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And again, I took that, like, where did I make that leap from? There's going to be adults that have type one who listen to this are like, probably mortified by this and maybe you should be. I don't know. But where did I get that from? I got it from all the 27 year old young women that come on here and tell Me, I pushed my family away. I told them I didn't need help, but I did. But I didn't want it. And I look back now and I wish the hell they wouldn't have stopped trying to help me. And you have any idea how many people have said that to me and a lot of young women, Seriously. I learned to believe that what was going to happen was going to happen. And I took everybody's advice from these conversations and aggregated it together. And I thought, I have an opportunity to let my daughter have this autonomy, feel like she's breaking away without it impacting her A1C and having to say, five years from now, hey, I have a couple of problems. I wish somebody would have pushed a little harder when I tried to push them away.

[B]

Yeah, that's it. That's a delicate balance.

[A]

I'm very focused on that kind of stuff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's not a thing you can jump in and out of or be flipping about. Like, it's gotta be a really well considered. Like, this is not a thing I thought up in the shower this morning.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I've been thinking about this for 20 years, you know. Anyway, that's what I did.

[B]

All right. I have one more question.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

How do you keep up with the Trio updates if you don't build it yourself? Do you build it yourself?

[A]

No. Lovely people, help me.

[B]

Well, they just came out with one. It's a follow update and a trio update, and you have to do both for them to continue to work together.

[A]

Can I tell you something embarrassing?

[B]

What?

[A]

And then you can explain it to me.

[B]

Go ahead.

[A]

This little thing pops up on my phone sometimes about this. This app called Loop Follow.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And it tells me sometimes that an update is available to it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I couldn't, for love, money or to save my own life, tell you how to update that app. I literally don't know. I'm sure you might know it says it's set up for it auto updates, but that is not a thing that I've ever found to be true. So, yeah, I don't know anything about it. Somebody set it up for me. It's lovely. Works great. I did hear there's another version of Trio out, but I haven't looked at it being perfectly honest. Tell me. First of all, this is in Test Flight. Am I right about that?

[B]

For people, Test Flight. Test Flight is like if you're an app developer and you want to put a test app on someone's phone, they have to download Test Flight for you.

[A]

To be able to do it. So I go into Test Flight. I see the Follow AB app here. It says automatic updates, but I do not believe that it's updated to its current version. Or maybe it is. I have no idea. It says the current version is 3.2 for follow. Yeah, it expires in 53 days. It says.

[B]

Yeah, I think. Well, the one. The version they just came out with is 4.0.

[A]

Okay. And what version am I even using? All right. I am using 3.2. It says the latest four. Again, if you told me right now, scott, to save your own life, you have to update this, I would not know how to do it.

[B]

Well, I don't use Test Flight, so I don't know if you could just update through that.

[A]

And you're saying there's a new version of Trio, too?

[B]

Yeah. So this most recent update, you know how when you send a remote bolus, you're just, like, hoping it went through.

[A]

And sometimes you have to do it twice?

[B]

Sometimes you have to do it twice. Now it shoots back a notification on your phone that the bolus has been received and it's going through.

[A]

What are other parts of the. Do you know what else was updated on it?

[B]

Yeah, there's a whole list of things, actually, you were talking about the recommended bolus. They're reworking that so that it shows you the exact recommended bolus that you would get if you were in Trio, because before it was pulling some other number from somewhere else.

[A]

Interesting. I did find myself having to, once in a while, make it more aggressive than it was asking to get the outcome. So I don't know how to update this. Being perfectly honest with you, like, if you told me I think it's worth updating the Trio app, I would probably send a text to somebody and ask them to spend a couple minutes with me helping me with that.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, most of the time, I would say just don't worry about it, because it was really good before, but because of this, this changed. But you have to make sure that you're doing both of them at the same time. Trio and loop follow for this one to work.

[A]

Well, then I'm gonna. I'll send my text.

[B]

I think you should.

[A]

Thank you. I appreciate that. See, now you've helped me.

[B]

Great.

[A]

Thank you. Have you enjoyed yourself?

[B]

Yeah, this was great.

[A]

Awesome. I'm glad. I agree. I never once badmouth Pittsburgh, but there were some weird hills at that school, and I don't know why they expect people to walk up and down them. It's a weird place.

[B]

The hills are insane.

[A]

Really? Really. Just like, driving up them. Seems like. I don't know if my car can do this.

[B]

Yeah. You know what surprised me about moving to Buffalo is just how beautifully flat it is.

[A]

Yeah. Pittsburgh, Buffalo. Cold places. Texas, not cold. Do you have a preference?

[B]

I like seasons.

[A]

Okay. So you'd rather be where you are now than in Texas, where it's pretty hot the whole time?

[B]

I actually really like Buffalo. Yeah?

[A]

Where in Texas were you?

[B]

San Antonio.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I feel like that's such a teeny blip of my life, though.

[A]

Like, you don't even remember it.

[B]

No, I mean, it's just like. Like, think about one year of your life when you were in your early 20s.

[A]

Yeah. No, I don't even know how to quantify that, honestly.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah. It's interesting. You've had a very interesting life. I don't think it's over yet. It sounds like there's a lot more interesting to come.

[B]

Well, hopefully I'll just learn not to be such an elitist.

[A]

Do you think that boy will get to teach professionals how to push each other eventually, or is that not his goal?

[B]

That's the goal, yeah.

[A]

Is it? Does he have. I mean, you gotta know somebody, right? Like, it's gotta be somebody that brings you along.

[B]

Yeah, he's got some buddies in the NFL.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

On any teams that I would hate or.

[B]

Well, who's your team?

[A]

I live in Philadelphia, outside of Philadelphia.

[B]

Oh, so you're the Eagles.

[A]

Yeah, my whole life, actually.

[B]

He's got a. He's got a buddy that's coaching the Eagles. Yeah.

[A]

See? Well, I hope he knows how to tell people, because I'll tell you what, to be, like, an offensive line coach here would probably be great for a career because.

[B]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Right. Because you get to learn from Jeff Stoutland. That'd be pretty great on your resume.

[B]

I would imagine it would. Yeah. Yeah. To get into the NFL, though, you have to start. You have to come in as an. Like, he would have to come in as an offensive line assistant.

[A]

Right. Is that a paid drop? Is that a thing? That wouldn't be something you couldn't do.

[B]

No, it depends. The NFL is different because it just depends on who's willing to pay you. Like, the Steelers don't pay as well, from what I understand. I don't know a whole lot about it other than what I hear, you.

[A]

Know, through the grapevine, but is there anxiety with that? Because that seems like a very, like, tenuous way to make a living.

[B]

Yeah. I live in just a total state of unrest. All the time.

[A]

Constant fear that we're about to be on our. What else would he be good at.

[B]

By the way, besides being a football coach?

[A]

Yeah. I don't know.

[B]

You'd have to talk. I bet you could figure out what he'd be good at.

[A]

Yeah, well, listen, if the podcast ever needs those kind of conversations, that's what we'll do.

[B]

Imagine he just should my next job be Scott.

[A]

He just grunts through the. The conversation. I'm, like, trying to pick through his brain. I'm like, you have to say something, buddy. Yeah. You don't say something, I'm not gonna be able to figure out anything. You gotta talk. You, by the way, opened right up like an old book. I appreciate that very much, Jamie.

[B]

Yeah, no worries.

[A]

You seriously just flopped right open like you were just like, all right, fine. Here's all my stuff. I really appreciated that, actually. I want to thank you.

[B]

I feel like everything that I do, I try to do at 100.

[A]

Well, you did this today, so thank you very much. I appreciate it.

[B]

Yeah, thank you, Scott. I appreciate it.

[A]

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