#1705 Red Lobster - Part 2

Summary

Juicebox Podcast: Type 1 Diabetes

Episode #1705: Red Lobster - Part 2
Date: December 10, 2025
Host: Scott Benner
Guest: Jamie (Type 1 diabetic, LADA, law enforcement and retail loss prevention background)

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Episode Overview

This lively, candid conversation with Jamie, an eight-year Type 1 diabetes (LADA) veteran, explores living boldly and practically with diabetes, weaving in humor, stories of family, coping with autoimmune issues, and a detailed firsthand account of using nicotine patch therapy to address long COVID symptoms. Scott and Jamie’s rapport brings warmth and honesty to topics ranging from police anecdotes to diabetes management, resiliency, and adapting to life’s curveballs.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Autoimmune Stack: Diabetes, Raynaud’s, Psoriasis, Allergies

• Jamie shares her diagnoses (Raynaud's, anaphylactic allergies, psoriasis), describing the impact on daily life and linking autoimmune conditions in her family.
  • "I have Raynaud's. I have anaphylactic allergies and I also have psoriasis." (02:28)
  • Psoriasis particularly flares in her ear canals and scalp, often triggered by stress and potentially diet, though she hasn't pinpointed the trigger yet. (03:07)
• Family history is rich with both type 1 and type 2 diabetes, and celiac. She is an only child but has several relatives with autoimmune issues. (03:56)

2. Jamie’s Backstory: Relationships, Family, and Adolescent Antics

• Jamie describes reconnecting with her now-husband after a long gap, familial opinions, and how financial or pragmatic reasons can influence relationships humorously. (04:43–07:04)
• Growing up: Jamie was raised by a single mother, never experienced parental divorce, and reflects on being a “spitfire” child—sneaking out, substance experimentation, and running away at 16.
  • “I packed my bags, I was gone for a couple of days, and I called the police department to bring me home because I was afraid she would kill me.” (09:00)
• Her mother was initially angry but ultimately grateful for Jamie’s return; Jamie now appreciates her mom’s strength and plans to thank her more often. (07:57–08:40)

3. Law Enforcement & Loss Prevention: From the Jail to the Store

• Brief stint as a police officer: mostly worked in jail due to her seniority and need for female officers, never had to use her weapon but did encounter tense situations.
  • “I worked in the jail a lot because I was low in the seniority, and so I didn't really carry my gun... So.” (12:27)
• Unique experiences:
  • Women hiding contraband: “A lot of people stick things in their private parts that they're just not supposed to, or they have things like stuck in the folds of their skin.” (17:02)
  • Wildest story: escorting a woman with marijuana hidden internally to the hospital for removal.
    • “She had marijuana. Bags of marijuana. But. So if somebody is doing like when you're doing the strip search ...if they lose their bladder, it's a sure sign that there's something up there.” (18:15-19:01)
• Transition to retail loss prevention—caught shoplifters frequently and enjoyed the "adrenaline” of the job.
  • “I was good at it. I could catch a shoplifter in my sleep.” (20:07)

4. Shoplifting: The Psychology & The Game

• Jamie and Scott discuss the art of shoplifting, psychology of getting caught, and how loss prevention agents train to spot subtle behaviors.
  • Scott’s theory: “Just acting like you weren’t doing anything wrong was the key to it. It was more body language... I could walk into a store, walk out with an armful of stuff, and you wouldn’t notice if I looked like I was supposed to be doing it. Am I onto something?” (24:20)
  • Jamie: “That's part of why I was really good at [catching people]… I could pick up on those little nuances, those little... the nervous tick, the quick glance around.” (24:20)
• Funny show idea: A “loss-prevention” game show with teams of shoplifters vs. security agents. Scott riffs in typical hilarious fashion (20:48).
• Jamie’s vigilance remains even while shopping as a civilian—she notices theft and sometimes confronts the perpetrators.
  • “It's just hard to let it go because it's so ingrained in me to do something about it.” (26:21)

5. Compassionate Conversations & The Impact of the Podcast

• Scott recounts a poignant recent interaction with a grieving acquaintance and reflects on how the podcast improved his capacity for empathy and holding space for emotions.
  • “I was not uncomfortable while he was having his feelings, I kept eye contact, which was, I thought, a big deal... I was really proud of myself.” (29:41)
• Jamie shares her own struggles with emotional support and how her church involvement brings frequent opportunities for emotional connection.
  • “Sometimes when people come to me with emotional things, I don't know how to always handle it. And sometimes it makes me cry.” (30:35)
• Jamie credits the podcast for empowering her, changing her relationship with diabetes, and dissolving the feeling of disability.
  • “I don't feel like it really disables. I feel like it just changes the way I live... A big part of that is from listening to your podcast, because it gave me that hope and the ability to make those decisions and treatment decisions on my own without being forced to constantly ask the doctor for help.” (31:13–32:02)

6. Aging, Autoimmune Onset, and Life Changes

• Both reflect on getting older, how autoimmune conditions seem to mount up post-diabetes diagnosis, and the strange comfort that comes with age and perspective.
  • “You feel less worried. I feel less rushed… it's so upsetting, the way it works. It starts off, you don't know anything, and just when you're figuring it out, you die.” (33:44)

7. Experimental Therapy: Nicotine Patch for Long COVID

• Jamie describes experimenting with a nicotine patch protocol (21 days, 7mg/day) after both a friend and chiropractor suggested it, backed by clinical studies.
  • “Covid is binding to a nicotine receptor in your body, which is causing a lot of long term effects. By using a nicotine patch... it puts the nicotine into your body and disrupts the COVID that's stuck to that receptor and knocks it out.” (38:49)
• Process: She cuts 21mg patches into thirds, rotates application sites, and reports substantial improvement in pain, brain fog, and migraines:
  • “My brain fog is a lot better… Today is the first day I've had any kind of nerve pain in almost two weeks, which is a first in quite a while.” (36:30)
  • “I sleep better. I don't wake up with nerve pain or migraines every night.” (46:34)
• Details and perceived mechanics of action covered in depth (39:08–42:38).
• Jamie committed to updating Scott and the audience with long-term results.
  • “I need you, and I'm not joking, to email me in a couple weeks and tell me how it's going.” (38:04)

8. Diabetes Lows and Recovery

• Jamie inquires about Scott's daughter Arden’s experience after severe lows—her own recent low left her exhausted and insatiably hungry for days.
  • “It took me a good three or four days at least to feel awake… and then I could not get enough carbs into my body.” (49:19, 49:41)
• Scott notes he’s heard others report similar aftereffects, with variability between individuals. (49:55)

9. Breadmaking, Family Barter, and Winding Down

• Jamie is making her first loaf of bread, inspired by Scott’s podcast stories, and plans to share the outcome (47:33).
• She’s heading to her mom’s for dinner, highlighting a family barter system—fixing things in exchange for meals (50:12–50:21).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On living with multiple autoimmune diseases:

  "All of the autoimmune diseases have just, like, riddled my body … what next is this body going to come up with to try to kill me?" — Jamie (34:47)

• On loss prevention instincts dying hard:

  “We go to the stores and I'm like, that guy's shoplifting. And my husband's like, you do not work here. Shut up.” — Jamie (26:08)

• On the value of the podcast:

  “It really has framed how I think about my diabetes and how I handle it … it gave me that, like, the hope and the ability to make those decisions and treatment decisions on my own.” — Jamie (31:13–32:02)

• On reactions to lows:

  “...when she, like, came back up from the low, was she exhausted for a couple of days?... I could not get enough carbs into my body.” — Jamie (49:19)

• On empathy and growth:

  “A decade ago, I would not have been good at this... Now, I was not uncomfortable while he was having his feelings, I kept eye contact, which was, I thought, a big deal...” — Scott (29:41)

• On experimenting with nicotine patches for long COVID:

  “My brain fog is a lot better … the nerve pain, today is the first day I’ve had any kind of nerve pain in almost two weeks, which is a first in quite a while.” — Jamie (36:30)
  “I need you, and I'm not joking, to email me in a couple weeks and tell me how it’s going.” — Scott (38:04)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Autoimmunity discussion & family history: 02:23–04:33
• Teen stories, family dynamics: 07:29–10:45
• Law enforcement anecdotes: 11:06–14:46
• Contraband search story: 17:02–19:36
• Loss prevention job, shoplifting psychology: 20:02–24:20
• Compassionate conversation skill-building: 29:40–32:02
• Nicotine patch experiment for long COVID: 35:17–38:49, 39:08–42:38
• Details on diabetes lows & recovery: 49:19–50:04

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Episode Tone

Friendly, humorous, frank, and at times deeply vulnerable and supportive. Scott’s informal, quippy interviewing puts Jamie at ease, encouraging detailed storytelling and practical truth-telling about living with diabetes, managing health, and rolling with what life brings.

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Takeaways for Listeners

• Resilience: Living well with diabetes and other autoimmune conditions means learning, adapting, and refusing to be limited by diagnoses.
• Community empowerment: Peer-shared wisdom, as found on Juicebox Podcast, can transform how people relate to and manage their diabetes.
• Curiosity and experimentation: Facing persistent health challenges like long COVID may require open-mindedness, ongoing learning, and safe self-advocacy when standard interventions fail.
• Human connection: Skills built around diabetes management—empathy, self-reflection, direct conversation—can have powerful ripple effects elsewhere in life.

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Transcript

[A]

Hello, friends. Welcome to the Juice Box Podcast. Happy holidays to everyone juggling carbs, cookies and the chaos of this season.

[B]

Well, I am Jamie. I am a type 1 diabetic. I was diagnosed as LADA when I was, I think 36 in. So it's been about eight years now. Told everyone my age pretty much. And that's me.

[A]

This is part two of a two part episode. Go look at the title. If you don't recognize it, you haven't heard part one yet. It's probably the episode right before this in your podcast. Blair.

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[B]

I do have Raynaud's.

[A]

I just looked at the, at the notes and I was like, oh, I didn't see that before.

[B]

I have Raynaud's. I have anaphylactic allergies and I also have psoriasis.

[A]

Awesome. Stop. Where's the psoriasis at?

[B]

Ugh. Got in my ear canals is the worst. And then I also have it on the back of my head.

[A]

What do you do about it? Near something you can put in there.

[B]

I have like a liquid Steroid topical thing that I use and then my dermatologist also gave me because they always get infected when it's in there. You know, when you scratch at it and then it gets infected. So I also have a topical liquid antibiotic that I have to use when I'm using the steroids as well to come and go.

[A]

Like flares.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Stress. I'm pretty sure something is in my diet is also setting it off, but I haven't figured out what yet.

[A]

Could be super chill soda, right?

[B]

Yeah, no, it happens way more than I drink the super chill.

[A]

Gotcha.

[B]

But yeah.

[A]

You think something in your diet's making it flare as well?

[B]

Yeah. And stress. Stress for sure will kick it off and then it ends up being a couple week long thing where I have to fight with it.

[A]

Gotcha. Interesting. Any other autoimmune in your family or with you? Any sisters, brothers, mothers, fathers? Have something.

[B]

I'm an only child, but most of our family has either type 1 or type 2.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yep. And then a lot of.

[A]

Tell me how many people with type 1 are in your extended family?

[B]

I have one first cousin and a couple of second or third cousins that also have it. And then like my grandpa was a type 2. My mom has type 2. I'm pretty sure the rest of my. There's quite a few people. And then there's also celiac.

[A]

Not with you, but with other people.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. I cut you off. Is that what you were going to say, also celiac, when I cut you off earlier?

[B]

No, I don't have celiac. No, other people do.

[A]

Were you adding. You were saying also and then I cut you off. I felt bad, but you stopped, so I kept going.

I guess that's probably what I remember. Well, how important could it be?

[B]

Yeah, I don't remember.

[A]

18 months that boy didn't call you.

[B]

Yeah, 18 months.

[A]

Then he friended you back on Facebook. What a smooth operator, right? Yeah. And you went for it. Did your mom yell at you?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. I bet you she. I would have yelled at you.

[B]

I just want you to know she was not happy. She was. Because I was dating someone else too. And she's like, I feel like you're going back to. Back to your husband. Obviously he wasn't my husband at that time. Before you're breaking up with so and so. And I was like, mom, that is not how this happened. Yes, it was very close together, but it's not how it happened.

[A]

You left the boy, though, when the guy reached out again.

[B]

Yep. Because I can't be with somebody else. If I have feelings. Like, he. He texted me and I was like, oh, I. I still really have really strong feelings for this guy.

[A]

And your friends didn't try to talk you out of it?

[B]

No, most of my friends were for it because they know him.

[A]

Oh, okay. Well, that makes me feel better. Hey, he doesn't have a lot of money because you said it was money problems. Is it a big. Does he have like a big. You know what I mean?

[B]

No, no, no, no, not that either. No, it just. It really is his heart for the world and the people and the way he treats me and makes me feel.

[A]

Can I just say to any girl out there, if someone asks you that, just say yes. Like, what would it have hurt just now for you to go, yeah, that is what it was, actually, Scott, I gotta tell you, it's just. It's unimaginable. And I had just missed it so much because he would have loved that answer. Instead, you went, no, that wasn't it.

[B]

No, I'm not that shallow.

[A]

Now he's got. No, but now he's got to hear that. You got to hear it from his side.

[B]

I know. I'm sorry. I love you, honey.

[A]

She's not sorry. Stop it.

Do you ever get him back? Sometimes. You ever give him a zing for the 18 months and he knows that's what it's for and he just takes it?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Are you proud?

[B]

Yes, we do. Yeah, we do it all the time.

[A]

Are you proud of that or should you stop doing that, Jamie?

[B]

I probably should stop doing it. Yeah.

[A]

You want me to put that on the list for you?

[B]

Sometimes I do pick on him. And, you know, you did this. So how about.

[A]

Do you have any fear that he's gonna do it again?

[B]

No. Because now.

[A]

Go ahead. I'm sorry.

[B]

Now we own a house together, like we are financially. Worse.

[A]

He got him locked in with money situation. I got you.

[B]

Yep. We're stuck. Now there's no way.

[A]

So that's how I. I held on to my wife through the early part because she wasn't sure if she wanted more kids. And I think she wanted them all to look the same, so she held on to me just in case. Oh, and then later, you know, you. You put a couple dollars aside and you look at that. It's not as much money as you're hoping. You think I can't split that with somebody? I guess I got to let them stay. That's how I do it. You understand?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. That's how I hang. Yeah, that's how I hang. Your parents are still married, right?

[B]

No, my parents were actually never married.

[A]

Oh. It may be even different. Were they. Are they together?

[B]

No.

[A]

No. But you didn't experience a divorce. Would you grow up in a single family household the whole time?

[B]

Single parent household? Yes, I did.

[A]

Yeah. Since you were little, you never. You didn't see two people love each other and then break up?

[B]

Nope.

[A]

Okay, so you're not afraid of that happening? Cause you're not afraid of being alone. Cause you like your mom, and your mom did a good job.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, my mom. I mean, I don't tell her thank you enough. I think for all the things that she put up with. I really should tell her more often. We're going over there to see her tonight, so I'm probably gonna sit down, make sure I tell her tonight again.

[A]

But tell her I said hello.

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

Thanks for her service. Raising you. Cause you sound like you might have been a pain in the ass when you were younger, Jamie.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. I was. I was a spitfire. I was horrible. Always into something I shouldn't have been. And I'm sure I just gave her a lot of sleepless nights. I know that when I was young, there were nights I came home, I had snuck out of the house, and I'd come home drunk or high, and she'd be like, what the hell?

[A]

What kind of high, Jamie?

[B]

Marijuana.

[A]

Okay, what are your top two stories where you think if that happened to me as a parent, I would probably flip out that you did to your mom?

[B]

Gosh, I don't. I have no idea.

[A]

Nothing sticks out.

[B]

No, I mean, just a general running away.

[A]

You ran away? How old?

[B]

I was 16, 15.

[A]

Was it a real runaway? Did you actually run away?

[B]

Yeah, I packed my bags, I was gone for a couple of days, and I called the police department to bring me home because I was afraid she would kill me.

[A]

You ran away when you were 16? Stayed away for a few days, called the cops and said, look, I ran away a few days ago, but I'm going back, and I think the lady is going to lynch me if I get there, so can you come with me and make sure she doesn't hurt me?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Was she going to hurt you, or was she just grateful you were back?

[B]

I think she was grateful I was back.

[A]

Yeah, I ran away when I was little, but I did the, like, I'm leaving, like, looking over your shoulder, like, does anybody care about this? You know what I mean? I didn't actually go anywhere. Like, walked outside and came Back again?

[B]

No, I packed my bag and left. It was like 10 o' clock at night and we had gotten into a fight and I packed my bag up and left.

[A]

Where do you go when you're 16?

[B]

I went to my boyfriend's house.

[A]

Oh, was he. Was he not a good, Good kind of boyfriend?

[B]

No, he was not a good influence at all.

[A]

I gotcha.

[B]

Yeah. Glad we dodged that bullet.

[A]

Did your mom know that?

[B]

Yeah, my mom knew that. She knew that he was a part of my life. She didn't approve of him, and I'm pretty sure she knew I was there, but there wasn't a whole lot she could do, even though she had called the police.

[A]

So when my girlfriend, one of my girlfriends broke up with me, my mom was like, oh, thank God. She was no good. And I was like, oh, no, she was lovely. My mom was like, no, she wasn't. I was like, okay. But then again, I don't know if my mom likes Kelly or not. My mom's dead now. I can't ask her. But, you know, she said. I know. I'm just kidding. She like Kelly. Sorry, my sarcasm got to. It was too tight there. You made you sad. I didn't mean for that to happen. I was being sarcastic. My mom did like Kelly after a while.

[B]

Yeah, sometimes it takes a while, but, you know, then you learn how nice people are or what, how great they really are for your kid and, you know, or for your. Your friends and you're just like, hey, you are really a good. A blessing to us and, and that.

[A]

I mean, did the cop laugh at you? First of all, they actually sent a cop to bring you home.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Huh. And did the cop laugh right at you?

[B]

He didn't laugh. He let me have it. How dare you do this to your mother? How dare you run away and behave like this? And you're gonna be in so much trouble if you keep on down this path and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[A]

He tried to scare you straight while you were in the car?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

You sit in the back behind the cage.

[B]

Yep. They don't let you sit in the front where the guns are.

[A]

They saw you and they're like, we can't let her near the guns.

Wait, wait. Funny story. Go ahead. Wait, what? Go ahead.

[B]

I went into law enforcement. That's how I ended up, you know, in the field of retail loss prevention. I was in a police officer for a while, and, man.

[A]

Wait, you were a police officer for a while?

[B]

For a little. Yeah, A year. And it was not a good department.

[A]

So did you have to go to police academy and do all the suffrage? You get hired directly and they sent you to academy. How does that work?

[B]

I got hired directly and they sent me.

[A]

And then you didn't like them. Did they like you? Was this a preemptive?

[B]

I think it was pretty. Pretty mutual. We did not fit together.

[A]

You were like, I don't like you and you don't like me. I'm gonna get out of here now.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Did you ever get to, like, pull your gun out?

[B]

No.

[A]

No. What's the craziest thing you did as a police officer?

[B]

We did like. There were some SWAT things where we ended up keeping perimeters. There was. I worked in the jail a lot because I was low in the seniority, and so I didn't really carry my gun when I was at the jail because obviously you can't carry a gun in the jail. So.

[A]

Do you ever get into an altercation? Do you ever have to tase somebody? I love those taser videos.

[B]

Oh, I hate tasers. I hate them.

[A]

Did you have to get tased to carry a taser?

[B]

You do have to get tased to carry a taser. And I never took the taser hit because they terrify me.

[A]

Okay. Would you have a stick? Be a cop with it. What's this? England? Did you have a stick?

[B]

No. I mean, we did have batons, but. No, that's a stick.

[A]

Wait. One of those, like, firearms. Was it one of them that you extended like in the movies?

[B]

Yeah, the collapsibles.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It looks so scary when somebody opens one of those up. Like, oh, I'm gonna get smack that thing for sure.

[B]

And the weight is really nice on them. Like, you can inflict some serious damage with those with just the flick of a wrist.

[A]

No kidding. I'm not going to get.

[B]

Yeah. If you don't use it right you are. You are causing some serious damage to somebody's body.

[A]

No kidding. Well, we'll make sure Kelly doesn't want get one of those then.

[B]

Yeah, don't let Kelly get one of those.

[A]

How long were you a cop for before you. You quit?

[B]

Just a. Just a year.

[A]

No kidding. If you were just like, this ain't working out. How long was the Academy.

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[B]

Classes on and off that they sent me to while I worked there in the training so I didn't have a full like law enforcement certification so I couldn't do the road like a road shift by myself. I had to be with somebody else if I went on the road.

[A]

Gotcha. Did it let you drive though?

[B]

No, I never drove because I didn't have a squad assigned to me so I didn't drive.

[A]

Oh, so you when you bounce somebody you were the extra all the time? Yeah, gotcha. You know what show usually go ahead.

[B]

Usually I was in the jail because they needed a female officer in the jail 24 hours a day to pat the ladies down? Yep. And then they were short staffed on females. Plus I was the lowest on the totem pole for seniority as it was. So even if I wasn't covering a female shift, I was still stuck in the jail most of the days.

[A]

What do people try to sneak in and where do they try to sneak it in?

[B]

A lot of people stick things in their private parts that they're just not supposed to, or they have things like stuck in the folds of their skin.

[A]

Wait, what? When you say private parts and you're talking about females, there's obviously the two that come to mind. So, like, which one is used more frequently?

[B]

The front of the back for women. I know I saw a few with that had it in the front.

[A]

What are they trying to. They squat and cough and it falls out, right?

[B]

Not always, no. I had a special detail once where I had to go to the hospital with an inmate who was brought in to the jail and they admitted to having stuff up there and they couldn't get it out.

[A]

Well, that's a humble brag a little bit, don't you think?

[B]

It's an embarrassing. I feel embarrassed for her still.

[A]

I feel embarrassed for her still. I sent her a holiday card, Scott. I'm very, very upset for her. So you did the squat cough. It didn't come out. You knew something was there. I don't know how. And then she told us what was it? Please tell me what was in there. Please tell me.

[B]

She had marijuana. Bags of marijuana. But. So if somebody is doing like when you're doing the strip search.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if they lose their bladder, it's a sure sign that there's something up there.

[A]

Oh, so she peed.

[B]

Yeah, so she peed herself. And I was like, what is going on here?

[A]

You said, hey, what's your hoochie? And she said, bags of weed. I can't get it out. Please help me.

[B]

Well, no, she was like, there's nothing. I don't know what you're talking about. And so I told my lieutenant who called the judge and woke the judge up and got. They got a body cavity search that night. And we went to the emergency room and as the doctors were in the hospital, she's like in her gown and she's in her cuffs with me. And she looks at me and she goes, okay, I have to be honest. And I was like, yeah. And she goes, well, there's, there's. I have two bags of marijuana up there. And I was like, I kind of figured now that we're here, we're going to let the doctor handle it.

[A]

Yeah. How much weed?

[B]

Oh, God. It was. It was a decent size.

[A]

Was it personal use? She was taking it in for herself.

[B]

No, she. I don't think she was planning on being arrested that night.

[A]

Oh, oh. Oh, no.

[B]

And it was up there. They had put it up there for something, her and her boyfriend, and then they couldn't get it back out.

[A]

Had they never heard of pockets, you think? I mean, is weed legal in Minnesota?

[B]

It is legal in Minnesota, but I was working in Wisconsin at the time.

[A]

Oh. In the big constant. I gotcha.

[B]

And it was not legal.

[A]

I know.

[B]

It's definitely not legal to take it into the. Into the jail.

[A]

Jail. Yeah. No, I. By the way, I. For some reason. No, weed's not legal in Wisconsin. Why do I know that? It doesn't matter why.

[B]

I think you had somebody else on the podcast and you were talking about it.

[A]

Oh, that's probably why I know things. I don't know why I know them. This is sometimes why people say it, and I'm like, oh, that's stuck in my head.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Okay, okay. Wow, that's awesome. And you quit that job?

[B]

Yeah. And then I went to retail. Loss prevention. I did that for a lot of years. I really loved it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm an adrenaline junkie. I was. I was. And I was good at it. I could catch a shoplifter in my sleep.

[A]

No kidding. Is it happening constantly shoplifting?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Just constantly. Why am I paying for everything? Why don't I go shoplift something? Does everybody get caught?

[B]

Not everybody know. But I would catch you.

[A]

Oh, I take that as a challenge. I think I could get away with it.

[B]

I don't do that anymore, though. Now I work for a law firm.

[A]

What? Can I say something? Wait, wait, wait, Jamie. Before I hear about the law firm, let's just patent this idea right now. What a great idea for a Mr. Beast video. @ least maybe a game show.

Loss prevention. People try to catch people shoplifting, and not everybody in the show is shoplifting. And some people get to pretend to shoplift. And if they get caught and they're not really shoplifting, they get points. And if you're able to shoplift something without somebody seeing you shoplift it, you get points. And if the guy catches you, the girl could k. Could be a girl. Obviously, Jamie did it. Like, they catch you, then they get points. Whoever's got the most points at the end wins. But Team Shoplifter, Team Not Shoplifter. Team Loss prevention. I am having a awesome idea. Right now. Why is no one writing this.

[B]

Down? It's. It would be a fun.

[A]

Show. Patent.

[B]

Pending.

[A]

Yeah. What a great.

[B]

Idea. So I can tell you though, if you get. If you are a loss prevention agent or officer and you make an apprehension of somebody you suspect of shoplifting and they did not, in fact, shoplift, you are very likely going to lose your.

[A]

Job. Oh, I shoplifted as a.

[B]

Child. I never.

[A]

Did.

[B]

Never.

[A]

No. Am I going.

[B]

To. I stole something once from my best friend when she was like.

[A]

Five. Stole it from.

[B]

Her. Five or.

[A]

Six. Stole it from.

[B]

Her. Yeah. She had like this cute little, like, jewelry box that I really wanted. And instead of asking her, I took it. And she knew I took it and she confronted me and I was like, I took it, I'm sorry. And she's like, why didn't you just ask me for it? I would have given it to.

[A]

You. I had a kid steal one of my Jawa action figures one time from Star Wars. I was.

[B]

Pissed. I'd be mad.

[A]

Too. Yeah, you know what? That was a real problem. By the way, back then we started getting Star wars action figures. My dad and mom got me a Jawa, but there was like dozens of Jawas in the movie. So I was like, I need more of them. And my parents were like, we're not buying you multiple of these. And I'm like, but there's more than one in the movie. That was a big bone of contention in my.

[B]

Life. How do you recreate your scenes without having.

[A]

12? I mean, that's where I was at, just so you know. But am I going to admit to what I shoplifted? I mean, I was a little kid. I guess I would. Why not, right? I think I was a teenager, probably 14, 15, and they had come out with portable televisions. So try to imagine a TV that's maybe no more than 6 inches tall, maybe 5 inches wide, inch thick, had an actual old radio antenna, like extended antenna down the side of it and had. The screen was probably only two by one. And it was a TV and it had tuner in it. You could like, tune in, like, you know, ABC, CBS, 360, 10, like that kind of stuff right over the air television. And I swiped that thing right out of a Kmart like it was nothing. I just wanted to let you all know, I just. I get that right out of there. It was no trouble at all. I was later apprehended for stealing Candy from a 711 in my crime spurree.

[B]

Summer. Yeah, yeah. It depends on, like, who's watching, too, for stuff like that. So, I mean.

It. It really. It does.

[A]

Vary. Can I test my theory on you.

[B]

Jamie? What's.

[A]

That? So now there's probably way more cameras nowadays than there used to be. I'm going to say that first of all. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I maybe wouldn't be as good at this as. But I would love. I'm telling you, I would love to try. I don't want the thing. I just want to know if I could do it. Anyway. That's not the point. The point is, is that I found that just acting like you weren't doing anything wrong was the key to it. It was more body language, I thought, than the. Actually, my theory is, is that I could walk into a store, walk out with an armful of stuff, and you wouldn't notice if I looked like I was supposed to be doing it. Am I onto.

[B]

Something? Yeah. I mean, and that's part of why I was, like, really good at. Is because I could. I could pick up on those little nuances, those little. The nervous tick, the. The quick glance around. And I was good at floor walking and, like, blending in. So, you know, that I had more than once where I stood there and held the door open as somebody walked past me and then, you know.

[A]

Tapped him on the.

[B]

Shoulder. My.

[A]

Bad. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I've lost prevention. Coming back in with.

[A]

Me. Do people run.

[B]

Ever? Oh, yeah, yeah. People run all the time and, you know, wrestle with you or fight you, and.

[A]

It'S. Yeah, a tussle. Nice. I saw a video online recently where there was a guy, like, stealing, like, I think it was, like, a cart full of food. And he's like. He's making his way through the parking lot, and there's somebody chasing after him and yelling at him, like, from the store. And that guy, like, quits. Like, I guess they're probably told not to, like, pursue them too far. And a bystander comes along with an empty cart and just trucks the guy in the cart and knocks him over. And he's like, I'm so tired of you people. And he's like, that's my stuff. He goes, if it's your stuff, pick it up and leave with it. And the guy ran off, and I was like, oh, my God, it was the craziest video. He didn't hit the guy with the card. He hit the other card. He, like, blew up the card, knocked it over. And the guy's like, yo, it's my stuff. It's not your stuff. It was awesome.

You've had a fun.

[B]

Life. It's. It's been a bit crazy. Yeah, I'm a troublemaker still, even, you know, in the ripe old age of 44, I'm. I'm. I'm up to stuff all the.

[A]

Time. How does a 44 year old cause.

[B]

Trouble? Oh, gosh, I'm always into everything. I don't even know. We go to the stores and I'm like, that guy's shoplifting. And my husband's like, you do not work.

[A]

Here. Shut up. Shut.

[B]

Up.

You do not work here. And I'm like, but he's stealing. And. Yeah, so there's.

[A]

There'S. You see it while you're shopping, like, you, you still watch it.

[B]

Happen? Oh, yeah, yeah. It's hard to just let it go because it's part of the reason that prices are so high and it fuels so many other things in our economy and destroys our economy. But also, like, it's just hard to let it go because it's so ingrained in me to do something about it. Yeah, but I don't work for that.

[A]

Store. Do you say something? Do you ever go like, hey, that guy, like, stealing something right.

[B]

Now? Yeah, yeah, we had one. Just the other, it was like three weeks ago. We went into a quick trip. It's a gas station out here. And there's a guy standing there just shoving food up his jacket sleeve. So I was like, hey, why don't you put that back? And he's like, I don't know what you mean. I was like, hey, that guy's.

[A]

Stealing. Did he freak.

[B]

Out? My husband? Yeah, he put it all down.

[A]

Ran.

[B]

Wow. My husband's like, what is wrong with you? And I'm like, dude, he's stealing food from the gas station. If he's hungry, I will buy him a meal, but he doesn't need.

[A]

To steal it at you. Did you buy him.

[B]

Something? No, because he.

[A]

Ran. There's a guy been on the corner near my house recently, holding. The sign says, like, I need money and blah, blah, blah. You know, after you see him once, you feel terrible and then, you.

[B]

Know, then you see him again and you're kind of.

[A]

Numb. Well, the 20th time in the row it is a little numbing, right? Like, he's there every day and like, then I looked over the other day and he's got a giant iced coffee and he's on his phone and I'm like, I mean, aren't those coffees like 10.

[B]

Bucks?

Maybe someone bought it for.

[A]

Him. And then I'm hoping They're right. But then it goes through my head, oh, my God, I hope somebody gave it to him. You know what I mean? Like, also, he's got a phone. Phones seem expensive to me, or maybe they're not. Like, maybe it's a thing you get through services. I don't know exactly, but it gave me all kinds of questions, gave me more questions than answers. You know what I.

[B]

Mean?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That was all I wanted everyone to know in the.

[B]

End. You should sit down and talk to him. See if he'll talk to you on the.

[A]

Podcast. I gotta tell you, that's. That's my next thing. I'm gonna start. I'm gonna start just podcasting with people out in the world who are, like, extreme. Would that be a good idea? Wouldn't.

[B]

It? Yeah, just randomly walk around, start talking to.

[A]

People. I think I could do it. That's my first.

[B]

Thought. I'm sure you could. You talk to people really well. You're pretty.

[A]

Sociable. I am. I am. Jimmy, thank you. I appreciate this. Actually, you know, I shared online today that an acquaintance of mine, not a person I see frequently at all, older guy than me by probably 15 years, 10 years. I don't know how old I am exactly or how old he is, but he's a lot older than me. And he lost the dog, lost a pet. And I knew the dog had passed, but I didn't realize that it had passed very recently. I just knew the dog had passed. And I offered my condolences when I bumped into him. And rather unexpectedly, because I didn't take him as this kind of guy, but he got real emotional. He started feeling all of his feelings. And we're talking and he's like. He's crying. And we were in public, and I was not uncomfortable. I made eye contact the whole time. I asked good questions. I was supportive. I did a really good job of having that conversation with him. And I think letting him get through things, getting him back on his way, feeling well. And when I walked away, I thought that's because of that podcast I make a decade ago. I would not have been good at this. Like, I would have said, hey, I'm so sorry to hear about your dog. And then he would have got upset, and I would have been like, I wasn't looking for all.

[B]

This. I don't know what to.

[A]

Say. Yeah, please. Like, I. Let me apologize for bringing this up, and let's get away from each other now. It's probably how it would have felt to me, but I was not uncomfortable While he was having his feelings, I kept eye contact, which was, I thought, a big deal, because if you've listened to the podcast for a long time, you might know that I wasn't good at eye contact, like, many years ago. And I asked good, reflexive questions. I kept him on a good pace. I said encouraging things. I brought a little bit of my own experience in without making it about myself. Like, I was really proud of myself when I walked away. Not that I was, you know, that wasn't my takeaway from the moment, but, like. And I was happy for him because I don't think that he has another outlet in his life to have those.

[B]

Emotions. Yeah, it's hard. I struggle. I do a lot of. I'm pretty active in our church, so I'm around a lot of people with that. And I still struggle sometimes when people come to me with emotional things, I don't know how to always handle.

[A]

It.

[B]

Yeah. And sometimes it makes me.

[A]

Cry. Yeah, it's not.

[B]

Helpful. Which I'm sure is. Is even more.

[A]

Awkward. Like, great. This lady asked me how I'm doing, and now she's crying.

[B]

Awesome. Yeah.

[A]

Yep. And there it was. Like, I did not expect that to happen. It ended up being good. I actually even found myself thinking much later, not during it. I'm not a sociopath, but, like, during it. Like, I'm like, oh, later. I thought that would have been interesting. Like, to hear that. Recorded that 10 or 15 minutes. I think it would have been interesting to.

[B]

People. So.

[A]

Yeah. Nevertheless, maybe one day I'll stop doing this podcast. I'll start making a different kind, and I'll go out in the world and just randomly interview.

[B]

People. I don't know. Where would people be without your podcast, though? Like, Juicebox Podcast has been such a part of my diabetes.

[A]

Life.

[B]

Really? Yeah. Like, it really has framed how I think about my diabetes and how I handle it and how I treat it. And a lot of people feel like it's a disability to them, but I don't feel like it really disables. I feel like it just changes the way I live. It's not disabling me from doing things. And I think a big part of that is from listening to your podcast, because it gave me that, like, the hope and the ability to make those decisions and treatment decisions on my own without being forced to constantly ask the doctor for help. And, yeah, it's really shaped how I handle my diabetes. I don't know how else to explain.

[A]

It. Well. No, you explained it really well, and I really appreciate you sharing that with me. Thank.

[B]

You.

[A]

Yeah. I don't know. I feel lucky to be in the position where that's true and that you're able to tell me about it, because, you know, very similarly, when we got done talking, the guy said to me, he's like, I really appreciate this. Thank you. I'm sorry for dumping all this on you. He said, I wanted to say, like, oh, it's okay. I make a podcast. I'm used to this. I'm used to people telling me how horrible their lives are or how sad they are, what's gone wrong for them, and then chatting through it. I just was like, no, it's my pleasure. And I actually told him, I said, I'm proud of you, man. I'm like, you know, your age. Like, I'm sure you didn't grow up with a dad who would have cried about his dog passing away. And I don't imagine anybody modeled that for him. And. And I thought it was a big deal. Like, I congratulate him for standing there and feeling how he felt, you.

[B]

Know?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was really, really kind of special. And I appreciate you saying that very much. Thank.

[B]

You. Even in my age growing up, like. And I don't think you're. I think we're almost the same age. We're not that you're not that.

[A]

Much. No. You don't think you might be a little older? Would you say you're.

[B]

44?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. That's 10 years younger than me. Those 10 years are like. Yeah, when, like, ligaments stop working in your joints and stuff like that. Those are. Those are.

[B]

Not. Oh, gosh, no. I'm already.

[A]

There. I was gonna say those are not fun. 10 years, 44 to 54. The only good thing that happens in this decade is if you don't get sick and you're not dying or somebody hasn't died in your life, you start feeling a little like you understand the world, and that's kind of comforting. Like, any of the, like, nervousness or anxiety you have, like, eventually goes, I don't know if you get your 10,000 hours or, you know, whatever. For me, at least, like, things slowed down. I feel more present. I feel more like. I understand.

I feel less worried. I feel less rushed. I, like, I understand now what people say when, like, you know, it's so. Like, life's so upsetting, the way it works. It starts off, you don't know anything, and just when you're figuring it out, you die. Like, I get. I get that vibe now. Because now, like, okay, yeah, like, I want to stay alive now because, like, I'm like, I wonder. I could probably do something now. Like, I'm. I'm tuned in now at this point, but your body not. Is not great. That part's not. Like, I saw myself in a video the other day, and I was like, oh, I look older, and I don't even know how to put that. It's just like the. Like your frame or the way you move or something like that. That. That part's.

[B]

Upsetting. See? And I feel like that was all of my autoimmune except for my fish. Well, my shellfish allergy and my latex allergy. Those happened when I was younger, but everything else has been since my diabetes.

[A]

Diagnosis. Okay, latex allergy, by the way, sounds like the start of a childish 80s joke, but how did you figure out. I guess I'm gonna ask. How did you figure out you had a latex.

[B]

Allergy? When I was working at the sheriff's department, our gloves were.

[A]

Latex. Oh, you couldn't have got that weed out of there one way or the other. That would have been a problem for.

[B]

You. I was. Yeah, gotcha. So, I mean, so it's just one of those things. And then as I've gotten older, you know, like, all the autoimmune diseases have just, like, riddled my body. And then I had long Covid and all of, like, all of the things, and it's just like, what. What next is this body going to come up with to try to kill.

[A]

Me? Have you gotten through long Covid or does it flare up on you.

[B]

Sometimes? It flares up on me. I'm actually trying the nicotine patch therapy right now. The protocol for that is like 7.

[A]

Milligrams. Hold on a second. So you're all, hold on. I want to hear about this so much. I tried to get my wife to pay attention to this, and she poo pooed me. Tell me who. Who delivered you this. That this was an idea. How did you get it going? What is your outcomes been like, so.

[B]

Far?

So a friend of mine has brought it up to me a couple of times, like, you should try the nicotine patch therapy. And then my chiropractor started talking about it. He was like, I read a study about nicotine patch therapy. Maybe it would help you. And I finally bit the bullet and researched the nicotine patches and decided on a brand and ordered them from Amazon. And I cut them into strips of three. So they're the 21 milligram patches, and I cut them into.

[A]

Three. Go.

[B]

On. The one patch lasts for three days, and I change it every night before bed. And I am on. So I started. This will be 21 days. Will be on.

[A]

Sunday. Okay, so you're 21 days into it. And any. Any impacts at.

[B]

All? My brain fog is a lot better.

The nerve pain. Today is the first day I've had any kind of nerve pain in almost two weeks, which is a first in quite a.

[A]

While. Describe the nerve.

[B]

Pain. Like my. My skin feels like it's on.

[A]

Fire.

[B]

Okay. And it'll roam. So, like, today it's in my left foot, like in my toes. And then, like, tomorrow it would be in a different spot, or it might be in a different spot in a couple days. Sometimes it lasts a couple days in one spot. Sometimes it would just move every day. Sometimes I would go a day or two without.

[A]

It.

[B]

Right. And the migraines. The migraines have just been.

[A]

Insane. You get headaches since you've had.

[B]

Covid? Yeah, I had migraines. I've had a history of migraines. But Covid set them off.

[A]

Again.

[B]

Okay. Where I was getting them almost every.

[A]

Day. Which patch did you go with? The.

[B]

Habitrol? No, I picked Rugby. The Rugby.

[A]

Brand. Okay. Rugby.

[B]

And.

[A]

Yeah. Where did you learn, like, when you said the protocol. Let's use that word lightly because it sounds like a thing you got on Reddit, but that's still fine. I see you out there, Reddit, and I appreciate.

[B]

You.

[A]

Right. Where did you hear, like, where did you get this protocol.

[B]

From? I actually googled and started looking at different studies that had been published, and the COVID Institute had one that said to try 7 milligrams for 21.

[A]

Days. And do you stop it after.

[B]

That? Yeah, supposedly you can just be done, and it should be better. So we'll.

[A]

See. I need you, and I'm not joking, to email me in a couple weeks and tell me how it's.

[B]

Going.

[A]

Yeah. All right. Because this girl I married is struggling a little bit with the COVID Yeah, the long Covid. And she's here every day. You know what I mean? Like, I can't get rid of her now. I've been with her for, like, 30 years. Well, I could do what your husband did, I guess, and just disappear.

[B]

But.

Right.

[A]

The. I'm not really up for that. As I mentioned earlier, we've saved a couple of dollars, and I don't want to lose half of.

[B]

It.

[A]

Right. It's not enough. You know, it's not enough, but it's enough. You know what I'm saying? God damn. Oh, I have, I have such hope for you about this. What is the idea behind what it might do for.

[B]

You? So, according to the papers I've read, so Covid is binding to a nicotine receptor in your body, which is causing a lot of the long term effects. And so by using a nicotine patch like in 7mg a day for 21 days is not a habit forming, so you should be able to stop it and not have any.

[A]

Withdrawals.

[B]

Okay. And so it's enough though that it puts the nicotine into your body and disrupts the COVID that's stuck to that nicotine receptor and knocks it out of.

[A]

There. No.

[B]

Kidding. That's what I've.

[A]

Read. And this is not something you like, heard on Joe Rogan or something like that. Like, it actually might be like a. I mean, I'm looking at it now. Covidinstitute.org nicotine-patch.

[B]

Protocol.

[A]

Yeah. So you heard this online, you read about it and then you're trying it. You're on the 21st day today.

[B]

Just. No, Sunday is my 21st. Will be my last.

[A]

Patch. We do not support using a nicotine patch for any longer than 30 days and preferably no longer than 14.

[B]

Days.

[A]

Yeah. You saw the same website that I'm looking.

[B]

At. Yep. I chose 21 days because there were some other studies and I don't remember what other studies I read that had said that it needed to be at least 21 days to be fully.

[A]

Effective. Any unpleasant side.

[B]

Effects? So I have pretty sensitive skin, but sometimes it itches. A patch will.

[A]

Itch.

[B]

Yeah. And sometimes they don't stay on for a full 24 hours, which is kind of annoying. Like. Oh, stay put. You know, like. Yeah, because like, we're used to our diabetes, like devices staying on for 10 days or a full 80 hours. And here's a nicotine patch that can't even make it 24 hours. Like, what a piece of.

[A]

Crap. I wonder what else this could do for me. Could this help me? I don't have long, Covid, but I. I would like to feel better. What does this got to do with.

[B]

Anything? I don't know. I don't know. But it's really done wonders for.

[A]

Me. May I ask a question?

Did you consider just smoking a cigarette every.

[B]

Day? No, because the cigarettes have so much extra stuff put in them. It really, I. I used to smoke when I was younger and I don't anymore. And I remember how crappy they.

[A]

Made me feel I don't want.

[B]

You. Plus, a cigarette is like one mil, like one milligram of nicotine. So a seven milligram patch is like smoking seven cigarettes in a day, and I'm not getting all the extra.

[A]

Chemicals. How many milligrams of nicotine is.

[B]

It? A cigarette? I'm Pretty sure it's 1.

[A]

Milligram. Heard a guy the other day say, if you're going to be successful, you need one computer that you work on and one computer that's just for your AI model. I don't know if that's true or not. A typical cigarette contains about 80 to 20 milligrams of nicotine, depending on the brand and type. However, your body can only absorb around 1-2mg of nicotine per cigarette when you smoke it. What about. About those pouches? I see hipsters using. Sorry.

[B]

Hipsters. I have a bunch of friends who use those pouches. I'm totally telling them you call them.

[A]

Hipsters. Do you think they're.

[B]

Hipsters? At least one.

[A]

Is. Yeah. Okay. Nicotine contains in a pouch 2-12mg of nicotine per pouch, depending on the brand and strength. Common sizes, 3 mg, 6 mg, 8 mg absorption. A 6 mg pouch delivers roughly the same nicotine as smoking half to a full cigarette, depending on the person. So these patches are really the way to go if you want to do.

[B]

This. Yeah. Plus, I feel like you can move the patch around to different places. You're supposed to wear them in between your, like, your groin area and your neck, either on your arms or your torso. And I feel like you can move them around. Like you're not supposed to put them in the same spot every day. And so you can move them around. And you're not like, repeatedly damaging your skin or your mouth or your lungs by using a cigarette or a.

[A]

Pouch.

[B]

Yeah. Plus think about all the extra chemicals they put in those pouches. There's flavoring, there's stuff that they're using to, like, preserve it. And it.

[A]

Just. I want to say I wouldn't. I wouldn't do it. I was just asking the.

[B]

Question. Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't do.

[A]

It. I'm not going to dig deeper because now I'm wondering, do cigarette smokers suffer less long Covid.

[B]

Symptoms? Right. How did they figure this out? I have no.

[A]

Idea. It's just a long.

[B]

Covid. It was just a friend of mine who does all kinds of research was like, you need to try this. And he just kept after me about it. And then my chiropractor started in on me about it too, and I was like, okay, fine, I will. Let me do some research. And then this is what I picked. And here I.

[A]

Am. Oh. It says here multiple studies have found that smokers or users of tobacco and e cigarettes were more likely to have severe Covid requiring mechanical medical ventilation. I don't know if any of this is right or not. Like, I. I don't know how to figure out anything. This is.

[B]

Just. Yeah, but that's like, while they're sick with COVID But what about long.

[A]

Covet? That's what I'm asking, too. Like, say I didn't get sick with COVID like, in a way that I was, like, laid up, but I got. Long covet is the cigarettes. Oh, I'm so. Listen, I'm gonna tell you something right now. Nicotine is used pretty widely for a number of things. It is obviously something you can get addicted to and you shouldn't, you know, trifle with. And I'm certainly not saying anybody should do it. But I am also saying that if you're suffering from long Covid and you're in any kind of situation, like, I see my poor wife in anything. Might be worth a try at some point or.

[B]

Another. Yeah. And that's where I was, too. I was like, it's $20 for a box of 21 milligram pouches. Like, what am I out $20? Okay. Boo hoo. Either it works or it doesn't.

[A]

Work. Yeah. You're not gonna grow a third arm in 21 days or anything like that.

[B]

Right? Yeah. And I did notice almost. I mean, like I said, the nerve pain was reduced a lot. Almost. Almost right away. I think I noticed the second or third day I was on the patch that I didn't have nerve pain like I did before. And I had tried gabapentin, too, for the long Covid, and I was on a pretty high dose of gabapentin, and it.

[A]

Just. Wait, what's.

[B]

Gabapentin? It's a prescription drug. It's almost on the same wavelength of, like, a narcotic. It's not a Schedule 3, though. They use it. It blocks the pain receptors in your brain, and that's really all I know about it. But I was taking it three times a day, so it's easy to forget and miss a dose. And there's a lot of studies that talk about, like, if you suddenly quit gabapentin or if if you reduce your stuff or if you reduce it too quickly, you can do damage to your.

[A]

Heart.

[B]

Oh. And I'm like, well, that's not a side effect I want. And I was only on the gabapentin for about a year. I was still having migraines quite a bit. I was still having nerve pain quite a bit. I still had brain fog where I couldn't pick up a book and read it and absorb it. I'd have to sit and read it and read it and read it over and over and over. And that was the hardest part for me, is because I love learning. I'm constantly trying to learn new things, and I couldn't absorb things. I was trying to learn with the long Covid, and it made me so frustrated. So, yeah, they had me on the gabapentin, and then I had, like, I had to get another prescription for Imitrex and, like, all this stuff, and it's a.

[A]

Lot. Was it helping any of.

[B]

That? The gabapentin did help. Like, the brain fog eased a little bit, but it wasn't gone by any.

[A]

Means.

[B]

Okay. The migraines and the nerve pain were still.

[A]

There. Tell me again in the last 21 days, you think your brain fog is.

[B]

Lifted? My brain fog is. It's like. Yeah, it's not. I think I still have rough days, but, like, I can pick up a book and read it and not have to reread.

[A]

It. Okay. Do you feel better rested, or is there anything else that's going on for you that's valuable or just that as your takeaway so.

[B]

Far? I sleep.

[A]

Better. Sleep.

[B]

Better. I don't know. Yeah, I'm sleeping better. So in the last 21 days, I am for sure sleeping better because I'm not waking up with nerve pain and I'm not waking up with the migraine every.

[A]

Night. Yeah.

[B]

Okay. All right. So do I still get the migraine? Yes, I just had a migraine. Like, I think it's been a week and a half for my last migraine, which is really, actually really good. It doesn't sound like much, but considering I was getting them almost daily, it's good for you. Yeah. So I'm. I'm really hopeful that, like, this is going forward is going to be. Because it's been three.

[A]

Years. Yeah. Since it's hard.

[B]

And.

[A]

Yeah. Anybody else who has any experience with this, I'd love to have you on the podcast talk about it, too. So. All right. I'm going to let you go, Jamie, because we've been talking way Too long. This is a two part episode now.

[B]

And. Oh.

[A]

Okay. Poor Robert has now been editing for like a month and a half to get through this.

[B]

Episode. Fair. Well, and then, just so you know, my bread maker is done. I heard it.

[A]

Beeping. You started talking about that before we started recording, but you said you were making. You were making bread because of me. I hope it's.

[B]

Good. You always talk about bread and how you would make bread for Arden, and I was like, I really want to learn how to bake bread. So I found a bread maker and this is my first loaf. So we'll see how it goes. I'll send you an.

[A]

Email. Well, if it's done, go get it out because you don't want it to start sweating and then get moist.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. Once they're done cooking, you want to get them out and put them on a cooling rack. Don't let them lay flat. Right. Because they'll get wet underneath. You have a cooling.

[B]

Rack? I do. We have.

[A]

Several. Throw it up on a cooling rack. And if it's not a tall cooling rack, I might even put a couple paper towels under the cooling rack to catch the moisture. Pull it out. Keeps the loaf nice and nice and tight. To know you were really awesome. I appreciate you sharing all this with me. Thank.

[B]

You. Yeah, thanks for taking the time to talk to me. And. And, you know, I hope Kelly gets. Gets better because we're off being sick with Long.

[A]

Covid. Yeah, no, I really appreciate that. And she said kids were like, I'm not gonna say this on here.

The kids at some point were like, mom, like, I think if you die, like, I don't think dad will have any trouble dating. And she's like.

[B]

What? Oh.

[A]

No. One of the kids goes, yeah, like, one of those diabetes ladies will go out with him. And Arden's like, yeah, one of those ladies listening would love dad to take care of their kid.

Nothing to do with me. They were like, yeah, they'd probably, like, you know, be able to use him for, like, a good. I was like, why is this how I'm being spoken about?

And I was like, and I'm not going out with somebody. Can you imagine if I dated somebody listening to the podcast after my wife passed away? I would look like a terrible.

[B]

Person. No, that would. That would be. Yeah, yeah, she's not going to die from Long Covid, though. She'll get.

[A]

Better. I also don't think she's going to die. I'm just saying, like, the, you know, the kids have like a funny Sense of humor. And this was.

[B]

It. I did have a question about Arden's.

[A]

Lows.

[B]

Good. Was she. When she, like, came back up from the low, was she exhausted for a couple of.

[A]

Days? It kicked her ass for a while.

[B]

Actually.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. And was she, like, overly hungry for a couple of.

[A]

Days? I don't know about that one. I'm trying to think. It's been a couple of years.

[B]

Now. I.

[A]

Don'T. She was scared to sleep by herself for a.

[B]

While. Oh, yeah, I can understand that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. No, I. It took me a good three or four days at least to feel awake. Like I had slept enough, and then I could not get enough carbs into my.

[A]

Body. I've heard other people talk about what you're saying, so it's not the first time someone said it to.

[B]

Me.

[A]

Okay. Arden didn't have that.

[B]

Specific. I was just wondering if I was.

[A]

Weird. Yeah, no, I don't think so. I don't think you're.

[B]

Weird.

[A]

Okay. Also, Arden's young. She's hungry all the time.

[B]

So. I mean, I'm old and I'm hungry all the.

[A]

Time. Will you promise me that tonight you'll eat dinner at the kitchen table and it'll be something.

[B]

Hot? Oh, we're going to my mom's house tonight for dinner, so.

[A]

Yeah. You got some lady to cook for you? Okay, that's smart.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, we gotta go make. We gotta fix our.

[A]

Toilet. You're gonna swap a toilet fix for a.

[B]

Dinner? Oh, all the time. Yeah. We go over to my mom's house and do stuff for her and she's like, oh, I'll make you guys some food. What do you want to eat for.

[A]

Dinner? Nice. That's a good idea. Yeah, I'll keep that in mind for later in my life. Thank.

[B]

You.

It's my mom's.

[A]

Idea. Oh, Jamie, hold on for a second. This was awesome. Thank.

[B]

You.

[A]

Yeah.

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