Jaime King on Hollywood Secrets, White Chicks and Super Models

Summary

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

Episode: Jaime King on Hollywood Secrets, White Chicks and Super Models

Date: September 30, 2025
Host: Heather McDonald
Guest: Jaime King
Podcast Network: Studio71

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Episode Overview

In this lively and intimate episode, Heather McDonald welcomes her friend and acclaimed actress Jaime King for a deep dive into Jaime's journey from Nebraska teenager to international model, actress, and advocate. They discuss the realities of child modeling, Hollywood secrets, behind-the-scenes stories from iconic movies like White Chicks and Pearl Harbor, playing real-life people on screen, and personal moments of growth and resilience. The episode celebrates the importance of authenticity, perseverance, and using art to connect and heal.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jaime King's Early Life & Path to Success

• Nebraska Roots & Career Beginnings

  • Jaime grew up in Omaha, Nebraska, and was driven by artistic curiosity from a young age.
  • Began modeling at 12 after attending a modeling school (not a scam, as often is the case) and was quickly sent to Miami and New York (03:01–04:25).
  • Managed school through correspondence and traveled internationally for modeling.

• Navigating the Modeling Industry as a Teen

  • Eye-opening commentary on lack of protections for minors in fashion at the time and the later push for legal reforms (05:18–06:10).
  • Balancing family distance, responsibility, and industry pressure:
    • “I longed to be close to my family, though knowing if I would go back… I would be longing for something else.” – Jaime King (07:32–08:00)
  • Saved her earnings, quit at the top of her modeling career at 18, and supported her family without being asked (11:42–12:12).

2. Hollywood Transition & Acting Philosophy

• Breaking Into Film

  • Landed her first film, Happy Campers, thanks to writer Daniel Waters, who wrote the role for her after seeing her in a magazine (13:05–13:45).
  • Entered acting with no formal training, embracing fearless authenticity:
    • “When you don’t know that you have something to lose, you’re so much freer in it.” – Jaime King (13:51–13:57)

• Adapting from Modeling to Acting

  • Describes the different energies of photo shoots versus acting, preferring the creative collaboration of film (15:26–16:18).
  • Starred in Blow and then the mega-budget Pearl Harbor, relishing the immersive period environment:
    • “Every day we looked so beautiful because it was all true to that time.” – Jaime King (19:29–19:37)

3. The Making of White Chicks – Classic Comedy

• Casting & Improvisation

  • Auditioned for the “I’m so fat” role (inspired by Heather’s own friend Stacey), then was cast as one of the actual Wilson sisters’ socialite friends (22:00–24:42).
  • Reveals behind-the-scenes of the famed dance scene:
    • “You guys are too good. It has to be like—not good. Be, like, corny.” – Heather quoting Kenan Ivory Wayans (25:20–25:36)

• Comedy, Character, & Social Commentary

  • Jaime notes the “social commentary of it is bonkers…this was not just ahead of its time.” (26:30–26:38)
  • Kenan Ivory Wayans had actors build full backstories, treating comedy with the gravity of drama:
    • “There’s no room for vanity in comedy… you got to be willing to get messy.” – Kenan, cited by Jaime (30:19–30:33)

• Real-Life Connections

  • Jaime has been longtime friends with Paris and Nicky Hilton (whom the original concept referenced) but based her “rich girl” character on archetypes, not them (32:04–33:29).
  • Pop-culture insights: The importance of “white girl anthems” (“A Thousand Miles” by Vanessa Carlton) and the challenge of getting song rights for the film (34:10–34:53).

• Enduring Legacy

  • The film’s continual popularity and lack of contemporary comedies for young audiences are discussed:
    • “There’s not really any great comedies coming out. They have to watch all the old Will Ferrell, Vince Vaughn stuff.” – Heather (41:28–41:48)

4. Portraying Real People & Complex Stories

• Sherri Papini Case: True Crime, True Story (Starting 42:12)

  • Jaime serendipitously landed the role after feeling compelled by Papini’s story in People magazine.
  • Discusses approach to real-life roles:
    • “I wanted to approach it as if I was her and her truth.” – Jaime (53:18–53:22)
  • Heather shares details from her own interview with Sherri Papini (47:28–60:00), leading to a nuanced discussion on truth, perception, and double standards in women’s treatment in the justice system.

• Other Real-Life Roles

  • Played Toni Jo Henry, one of the first women electrocuted in the U.S., in The Pardon (61:04–62:50).
  • Powerful on-set coincidences: Discovery of historic execution documents connected to the film’s financiers (63:14–64:46).

5. Personal Insights, Autism, and Manifestation

• Manifesting Success & Learning She’s Autistic
  • Jaime discusses her late diagnosis of autism (46:27–46:37), and how her differences helped shape her artistic ambition.
  • Both she and Heather reflect on the power of manifestation (44:29–45:14).

6. Filmmaking Approach & Acting Method

• Dreams Influence Her Craft
  • Jaime journals her dreams to inform and merge with her characters, citing Jungian theory and techniques from the Actors Studio (65:35–66:33).

7. Current Life, Motherhood & Upcoming Projects

• Family & Engagement
  • Jaime's sons are now in middle and elementary school (67:11–67:16). She’s recently engaged (67:23–67:27).
• Exciting New Work
  • Upcoming films include Bound for Glory and Love, Danielle (about hereditary cancer), as well as a feature directorial debut (67:43–75:23).
  • Continues to use her platform for activism and support for women’s health issues.

8. Legendary Collaborations & Industry Reflections

• Comedy Greats

  • Worked with Steve Martin, Eugene Levy, and Bonnie Hunt on Cheaper by the Dozen 2; learned the diversity of comedic approaches on set (69:17–69:59).

• Working with Bruce Willis

  • Close friendship and observations of his health struggles:
    • “It wasn’t the same Bruce, but there was something different…the loving.” – Jaime King (70:14–71:04)

9. Perspective on Awards & Purpose

• Heartfelt Motivation
  • Jaime approaches her career as a vocation, not for fame or accolades:
    • “The rewards and the awards are, if I can make anyone feel less alone, like, that’s really what it’s about.” – Jaime King (72:10–72:32)
  • Heather echoes this, referencing “Eddie Murphy’s story,” which inspired her as a child to make people laugh through dark times (72:32–73:45).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Modeling as a Child:
  “They would put me with chaperones that were not really, in my opinion, chaperones.” – Jaime King (05:18)
• On Acting Without Fear:
  “When you don’t know that you have something to lose, you’re so much freer in it.” – Jaime King (13:51)
• On Comedy & Vulnerability:
  “There’s no room for vanity in comedy. You got to be willing to get messy.” – Kenan Ivory Wayans, via Jaime (30:29–30:33)
• On White Chicks’ Lasting Impact:
  “This was not just ahead of its time… the social commentary is bonkers.” – Jaime King (26:30)
• On Manifestation:
  “Because energy follows thought… I was looking through a journal…I just wrote money on there…” – Jaime King (44:29–45:08)
• On Playing Sherri Papini:
  “I wanted to approach it as if I was her and her truth.” – Jaime King (53:22)
• On Awards’ Meaning:
  “The rewards and the awards are… if I can make anyone feel less alone.” – Jaime King (72:10)
• On Why She Keeps Acting:
  “There’s no time—I can’t not do it.” – Jaime King (74:06)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• Early Modeling and Family: 02:18–06:10
• Legal Protections for Child Models: 05:18–06:10
• Transition to Acting / First Film: 13:05–13:45
• On Acting Without Training: 13:45–14:51
• Pearl Harbor & Movie Set Stories: 19:29–21:31
• White Chicks Audition and Improv: 22:00–25:00
• White Chicks Dance Scene: 25:20–25:56
• White Chicks — Real-Life Inspiration: 32:04–33:29
• Pop Hits in White Chicks: 34:10–34:53
• Comedy’s Current State: 41:28–41:48
• Sherri Papini True Crime Role: 42:12–61:04
  • Heather’s detailed Papini case recap: 47:28–60:00
• On Autism and Self-Discovery: 46:27–47:08
• On Manifesting / Childhood Journals: 44:29–45:14
• Portraying Toni Jo Henry–The Pardon: 61:04–62:50
• Acting Method & Dreams: 65:35–66:33
• Motherhood & Engagement: 67:11–67:27
• Upcoming Projects: 67:43–75:23
• On Awards & Motivation: 72:10–73:45

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Final Thoughts & Takeaways

This episode of Juicy Scoop offers a candid, comprehensive look at Jaime King's multifaceted career and life. Listeners are treated to rare behind-the-scenes Hollywood anecdotes, insightful reflections on the high-pressure worlds of fashion and film, and thought-provoking discussions about authenticity, personal development, women’s stories, and the evolving face of entertainment. Jaime’s openness, combined with Heather’s enthusiastic and empathetic hosting, creates a deeply engaging and richly human conversation.

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Follow Jaime King on Instagram @jaime_king for updates on her projects, and stay tuned to Juicy Scoop for more real, revealing Hollywood stories.

Transcript

[Heather McDonald]

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[Jamie King]

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[Jamie King]

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[Jamie King]

Listen up.

[Heather McDonald]

Hannah McDonald, juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I am so excited to talk to my friend, actress of screen television. So many things, Jamie King. Mostly white chicks since that's like the only movie I've really done. But no, I was so excited that you could come on today. Thank you. Welcome.

[Jamie King]

Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. I love you.

[Heather McDonald]

There's. We've been seeing each other at like Kathy Hilton parties.

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And I kept saying okay, you gotta come, you gotta come on. And yes. I was just like I forgot how many, how many movies you have done. Let's just start from the beginning. Where did you like, when did you start getting in the business? How old were you when you first started working in it?

[Jamie King]

I. Well in the film industry. I did my first movie when I was 19 and previously to that I was in fashion and I always knew that I wanted to be a filmmaker and also to learn everything that I could about the art form which meant that I had to get out of Nebraska. So I love telling.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, so you were raised in Nebraska.

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And so were you modeling first yes. Oh, okay. Were you like discovered or if in Nebraska you knew how to get an agent?

[Jamie King]

Well, I read it in the local newspaper that if you got an agent or went to a modeling school, then fancy people from other places would come to you. And I was always starving, very, very hungry for information. And I felt like I was just not getting that information that I wanted as an artist in Omaha at that time.

[Heather McDonald]

So you were just living like a normal Nebraskan life, going to high school, but you just had a desire to do this always? Yeah. Oh, that's so cool.

[Jamie King]

Always.

[Heather McDonald]

And so when you would tell. You just told your parents, like, I'm going to be a movie star, and they're like, what was the reaction?

[Jamie King]

I don't think my parents ever quite knew what to do other than the fact that I was so determined to do something, you know what I mean? And so I figured that the best way to learn and gather information that I wanted to learn was to go through the route of, okay, please save money for me so I can go to modeling school. Then I get to meet people from other cities, then I'll get. It was like very pre planned out.

[Heather McDonald]

So you actually went to a modeling school and it wasn't a scam?

[Jamie King]

No, it was not a scam at all. I was 12 and they were sending me straight to Miami, you know, with Elite, and then to New York and. Yeah, at 13.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, okay. So then is that when you're like going to traditional school stopped or were you still able to go to school?

[Jamie King]

I was going to a traditional school. Then I was supposed to go to a gifted school, but I did not want to do that. And so I went over this summer with my mom and then went to go back to school shopping kind of thing. And I was like, oh my God, I can't like. And then the agent called. My agent called and was like, listen, your kid can either be doing this and doing correspondence courses, or she can just sit in Nebraska and be completely depressed. He didn't say that, but that inside of me, I'd be like, oh, God, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so when you were that young, doing like high fashion stuff, was. Did you have a chaperone or was your. Did your mom have to like, did you have other siblings that she had to leave to be with you or how did that work?

[Jamie King]

My mom would come to as much as she could, but I had other. I have other siblings, so she had to do that. And so they would put me with chaperones that were not really, in my opinion, chaperones. You know, I have a lot to say about the industry, not just negative things, because I love it very much. I got to learn from literally the best of the best designers, artists, people. I would never have changed it. However, you know, as I got older, I really wanted laws to be implemented, you know, after I left the fashion industry, because there were no laws to protect minors. But long story short, which they now do have, thank God, by the time I turned 18, I had saved all the money that I needed. I quit at the height of my career, and everyone thought I was local.

[Heather McDonald]

As a fashion model.

[Jamie King]

Yeah, local. They're like, what are you doing?

[Heather McDonald]

So you had big campaigns.

[Jamie King]

Oh, magazine covers. Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And, you know, just going back a minute about. For children working, you know, when they did make the laws in American history that the kids couldn't be working at factories and there were child labor laws, truly the only business a child can work in is the entertainment industry. It's the only one that's legal. They cannot be making clothes. They cannot be, you know, picking strawberries or working in a field or working in a factory or even working at a yogurt shop or whatever until they are of a certain age. Except for entertainment.

[Jamie King]

Yes. Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Where they're just around adults and where there's all this pressure that it doesn't matter, I think, like, you know, if you've got the teacher and you have the proper hours, it's still this weird thing that, like, if you're Miley Cyrus, like, you're Hannah Montana, if you don't want to come to work, they're like, oh, I guess 200 people are out of work today. Like, who says that to a kid? You know what I mean?

[Jamie King]

Thank you.

[Heather McDonald]

I know.

[Jamie King]

Our industry does. Our industry does. Even if you're an adult, it's the same thing.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Jamie King]

You know what I mean? It doesn't matter.

[Heather McDonald]

And so when you were modeling, were there times that just was too much for you at a young age of just that kind of pressure?

[Jamie King]

Yes, I think so, for sure. I mean, I guess I had a different way I learned how to cope with it, because at that age, your brain's not even fully developed. So I just. I wanted to learn how to be as responsible as possible, though. I longed to be close to my family, though, knowing if I would go back and be close to my family, I would be longing for something else. You know what I mean?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

And I was, like, one of the youngest kids around the supermodels that I wanted to be.

[Heather McDonald]

So were you, like, traveling to Europe and all these places.

[Jamie King]

Yeah. So.

[Heather McDonald]

And, like, doing, like, a fashion week. What is that even, like, what is. Because you see now, like, everyone go to fashion week and all that. And I'm like, does it. I feel like it's very different today than it was 20 years ago when.

[Jamie King]

It was, like, 90s in fashion. It was bonkers.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And when it was really the supermodels.

[Jamie King]

Glamour supermodels, you know, just. It was exquisite. And also, you know, it was a lot of. A lot of work, but a lot of, like, just extraordinary beauty. So it would be. You go to. From New York to London, London to Milan, Milan to Paris for a week at a time. And during that time, it's different than now. Like, then it was like, basically the same crew of people, you know, so we were all on this journey together, per se. And then. So that would be twice a year for pret a porter and then couture as well. So, like, you're spending your whole life, like, on, you know, obviously traveling, and that's not including shoots. But some of the most magical times I had was that, I mean, talk about life lessons. And did.

[Heather McDonald]

Were. Were there young girls that would get with, like, the older guy that had a new model every year? Like, I always feel like there's always that, like, older, like, famous photographer that then falls in love with the young, impressionable model. Like, did you see relationships like that?

[Jamie King]

Absolutely.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

But I fell in love with someone that was basically my age.

[Heather McDonald]

Who was that?

[Jamie King]

David Svrenti. Davide Svrenti.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, okay.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And how long were you guys dating together?

[Jamie King]

We were dating until he passed away. Oh. And his brother, he passed from a disease called thalassemia. Sickle cell. Oh. And what was beautiful about that is that we got to go through this industry together and document it all. So we were like street kids, skaters, love music, and suddenly we're propelled into this high fashion world, you know, coming from really nothing to suddenly making extraordinary amounts of money. And his brother, Mario Sorrenti, was already, like, a huge, huge, huge and still is photographer. And I met Davide when I just turned 14 on one of my first campaigns, which was for Benetton.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, wow.

[Jamie King]

Yep.

[Heather McDonald]

And so that was like your first boyfriend.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And now how did you handle managing these big paychecks and money where you weren't taken advantage of? And how did you do that? Or were you.

[Jamie King]

Well, I never knew.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

I couldn't write a check until I was 18.

[Heather McDonald]

So what would you do? Just pass it on to your.

[Jamie King]

So the money goes Essentially, into a bank.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jamie King]

But you can't even access it necessarily. You have a business manager that can access it, and then they do all of the business management for you. And so it's a very. I'll never forget going into the bank after I turned 18 and wanting to cry because no one taught me how to fill out a check. Like, I didn't even know how to do that thing, you know? But yet I was responsible. Like, I had all of this money. Like. Like, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot. Like, crazy money. And, you know, it was just. That's a trippy thing to think about. Right? Like, you can't have a Bank account until 18 at that time.

[Heather McDonald]

And so were you, like, what were you doing with all the money? Were you just saving it? Were you sending it to your family or what?

[Jamie King]

I was saving it. I would. I would save it. I saved it. I would send it to my family in terms of, like, my sister, like, whatever she needed for college or, like, you know, just, you know, whatever my family needed. Absolutely. But they didn't. It wasn't asked of me like that. You know what I mean? My family didn't ask that of me. It'd be more like, oh, my sister's in Colorado, and, you know, she just started school, and I really want her to have a car that fits for Colorado. You know what I mean? That kind of thing.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Nice. Okay. So then you said at 18, you wanted to stop the modeling because you had a desire to act, or what was it?

[Jamie King]

I always had. I. I always wanted to be a filmmaker. But by the time I turned 18, I knew that I had saved the amount of money that I wanted. And honestly, I just wasn't learning anything anymore. I got to learn from the best, best, best, best people. Literally, the greatest designers, the greatest people. And when I'm not feeling like I'm still learning, if I feel like I've gone to excellence in that area or mastered that area, it's like, okay, now is the time. And so I. A writer reached out. His name is Daniel Waters, and he is. It was so crazy, because he's one of my favorites. He wrote a film called Heather's that I loved so much growing up.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, I love that.

[Jamie King]

So he wrote that and saw my picture in a magazine and wrote a film called Happy Campers, which is basically like a modern retelling of A Midsummer's Night's Dream. And. And so he wrote a part for me. And so I kept flying out here to audition. It was like, Mike DeLuca, Denisovi were producing, and I got the part. It was such a fun thing. It was Justin Long, Peter Sturd Mayer, Brad Renfo. I mean, like, the cast was insane.

[Heather McDonald]

And so was that, like, really the first time? Did you work with an acting teacher? I mean, was it hard for. Or was it just a natural thing? Did you know how to properly audition for, like, an acting role at that point?

[Jamie King]

No, I didn't have an acting teacher at that time.

[Heather McDonald]

And so it just. But it was.

[Jamie King]

Because you know what it's like, Heather? It's like when you don't know that you have something to lose.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

You're so much freer in it. It's so much easier to tell the truth in the moment, just being the character and being yourself, because you don't have this, like, thing about, like, oh, if you fuck up, you know.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Jamie King]

You know, like, tsk, tsk, tsk, and you're in trouble. Like, I didn't have any of that. It was just. It was meant to be, and I was disciplined about it, you know?

[Heather McDonald]

So you loved being on set and doing that movie.

[Jamie King]

But the first time, the first. The first day, I was like, the director called action. And I looked at Justin and I was like, what do I do? And he's like, you act now. You act. And I was like, okay. Like, there's, you know, the basic terminology. Like, obviously, I've heard action my whole life, but it was like I kind of froze and I was like. And I was just so caught up in the movie. Magic of it. It was just so cool.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And that felt a lot different than when you were just, like, wearing the clothes, doing the photo shoots, having the music and the wind blowing your hair. Like, was that what it was like when you were just modeling? Because I always just think whenever I think of that, like, growing up, I was always like, oh, my God. Like, I would be so amazing to be a model. And then, like, when I would have to do a photo shoot just for myself for stuff, I. I was like, I can't wait for this to be over. This is so much less fun. And I used to just think, oh, for someone to do my hair and makeup and, like, you know, and have the fan go. But it actually is not that fun.

[Jamie King]

I don't think everybody's meant for it, because Christina Ricci was telling me, like, she's like, it's so much easier for me to just be in character. She was feeling nervous about going to a photo shoot that day, and she's Like, I just don't wanna be myself. I don't wanna, like, you know what I mean? It's so much harder to do that thing. I mean, with modeling or in fashion shoots, you still can because it is a collaborative effort. You can still get into that zone and you're just like, oh, this is dope. Like, this is amazing, you know? Cause you're create. You can create a character. But I don't know if I'd feel the same way if it was flip flopped, you know?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

And. But that need for artistic expression and collaboration went way farther, you know, that's why I needed to. I always knew, you know, so then.

[Heather McDonald]

Once you did that, then you were on the roll. Like, then were people putting you up for parts, and then was the next big thing that you did was that the Pearl Harbor?

[Jamie King]

It was blow. Then Pearl Harbor.

[Heather McDonald]

Did you love doing that?

[Jamie King]

Oh, my God. It was amazing.

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[Jamie King]

It was extraordinary.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

Every day we looked so beautiful because it was like the way they set it was all true to that time.

[Heather McDonald]

So they would set your hair like the way they did in the olden.

[Jamie King]

Days and I'd be like, you know what, it's worth it because when I go on that screen and when I walk off this set, I'm just going to look amazing. Amazing. It was so great. I didn't understand really what the big deal was when I got cast in it because I didn't know who those people were.

[Heather McDonald]

Uh huh.

[Jamie King]

And that's another thing, a great thing about, you know, going into rooms where it's not this crazy intense like, oh, I'm walking in front of Michael Bay or Jerry Bruckheimer. I didn't know. And so in that time kind of ignorance was bliss because I could just be present, like fully present. And when I auditioned, I auditioned for the role that Kate Beckinsale plays, but I was too young for it and so I was very lucky because they wanted me to still do it. And so I got to write that part with Michael Bay because originally it was like one line you know, and so they made it work. And they're like, this is the biggest budget movie of all time. I was like, fantastic. I have no idea what you're talking about. And then I got there. It's like, so extravagant and so on purpose, though, at the same time that I was like, this is awesome. I love making movies. It's like houses, like, by the beach. Everyone brought their boyfriends or girlfriends in. You know what I mean? It was like, you know, Gwyneth was there with Ben, and da da da da da da. Giselle was there with Josh Hartnett. It was like we were having the time of our lives. Working our asses off, but having the time of our lives. And I was like, this is amazing. And then I went to the next movie, which was amazing, but I was like, oh, that's what they meant by that.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, like by the budget difference.

[Jamie King]

By the budget difference. There's not like, you know, actual planes, like 50 million planes and strafing lines and shots that are like, you know, $250,000 a shot. You know, it was like. It was a real. It was extraordinary.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And also, you just. You have that classic look too. Like, you have that, like, you do look like you could have come out of, like, the 1940s. So I think that's probably the appeal too, of. Of choosing you for the role. You know, how there's just certain, like, classic looking people, like, oh, you look like you come from a different era. Okay, so let's get into now White Chicks, because this was obviously a big comedy. Had you done much comedy before they called you into for this role?

[Jamie King]

I'd done a couple of films that were comedy, but I love comedy so much. And I was like, you know what? I set the intention aside myself. I was like, I want to work and learn from the best of the best of the best of the best. And to me, they are the best of the best of the best of the best. The best of the best. And so I went into the audition and I auditioned. And also, Lisa beach is just a genius casting director. Yeah, I went into the audition and I auditioned for the role that Jennifer Carpenter.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, one of the girlfriends.

[Jamie King]

Yes. Yeah. I'm so fat.

[Heather McDonald]

That's the part I wrote.

[Jamie King]

No way.

[Heather McDonald]

So that part, which was the. That is based on my friend Stacey, who is my sorority sister. We're still friends today, and is when we would, like, be getting dressed. She would be like, look at this.

[Jamie King]

Like, oh, hello.

[Heather McDonald]

And she'd, like, take a little squirt of fat. The Way we all are awful, right? And being like, I'm back Fat Betty. I'm da, da, da. And so then when I was working on the film and we decided, he's like, yeah, you know what? We should have a scene where they're trying on clothes because his sister had come into Kenan's house where they were working on the movie. We were writing the movie, and I was just a contributing writer. You know, it was like they already had sold a show and everything. And I was working on another movie, and I saw. As I was waiting for them to come work on this other movie that we were writing, I saw, like, the. Whatever. Not. It wasn't deadline at the time, but it was whatever actual printed about this movie that they called White Chicks, and how it was, like, based on Paris and Nikki and, like, this whole thing in the Hamptons. And I was like, well, can I. When you guys are ready to write this one, can I help write this one? Cause, I mean, I am a white chick. Like, I think you should have one on the staff. Absolutely. And so then, anyway, she came in, and I had these pants on, and she. She was like, oh, are those the Mark Wong narc pants or something? And I'm like, oh, yeah, I get them on that at that store on 3rd Street. And I go, isn't that girl. I go, that girl's always there to help, but she's kind of annoying. And we talked about how, like, someone keeps coming in, and you're like, I got it. Like, just like, give me a minute.

[Jamie King]

Like, I just.

[Heather McDonald]

And so then he goes, oh, my gosh. We have to have a scene where they try on clothes.

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And then you go off and write it. And so then I wrote those parts. And then they were nice enough to be like, okay, we're get. We were able to get you to come to Canada to play the part of the salesgirl, but when in doing the parts, so. So they wanted you to be one of the friends, the three friends of the Wilson, the fake Wilson sisters first, because you were one of the real Wilson sisters, so you went out for that part first, and then they thought you were a better match or whatever.

[Jamie King]

Well, I. I went in and I did that, and I went, like, way over the top in the best way. And so they're like, hold on, Will you, like, sit outside? Like, sit outside. Like, we want to talk for a sec. And then they asked me to come back in and improv for.

[Heather McDonald]

For, you know, the girls, the real girls. And you guys were, like, really so perfect. You and Brittany, you look like you could be sisters and friends and all that. And I remember when I was there filming, and it was fun to, like, hang out with you guys. And I remember you guys did the dance. And Kenan goes, it's too good.

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

He's like, this isn't funny. You guys are too good. And you guys had spent, like, a week doing, like, this whole. Working out, this whole routine.

[Jamie King]

I didn't know that anybody knew that.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, no, I remember I was, like, there when he's like, it's too good. He's like, it has to be like. Like, not good. Be, like, horny.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And so that's when they had you guys, like, frustrated and being, like, doing those dorky moves.

[Jamie King]

Now, remember, he's like, what are the widest moves you can do? And we're like the running man. Like the spirit sprinkler, Right?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

Because we all had rhythm. He was like, yeah, right.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

It was so fun.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. You guys could all, like, dance really well. And so that was really funny how then that came back about. But that was fun. That was like. Because I got to co. Twice. I went once in the beginning to just, like, work on, like, the final bits of the writing, and then I came back to do my scene and. Yeah. And who would have thought, like, that it was. That it just, like, lives in infamy, and, like, people all the time are.

[Jamie King]

Like, oh, my God, now more than ever. Yeah, now more than ever, when it's like. I'm like, whoa, this was not just ahead of its time.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

It's like, the social commentary of it is bonkers. Right? You know?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And I think that, like. And I remember, like, how some jokes were written, like, so they. They'd have, like, always. Some, like, some other younger writers, whether they were nephews or whatever, come in. And I can't remember who this was, but, like, he was like, okay, pitch your jokes. And this one guy goes, oh, you know the saying, once you go black, you never go back? He. So then this one, he goes. So I thought, you know, once you go back. Once you go black, you end up in a wheelchair. And he goes. And then I just thought it'd be funny if a white girl came by in a wheelchair and was like, hi. Yes, hi. And, like, that's just, like, how those jokes would come about. And we were all, like, dying, laughing, so funny.

[Jamie King]

And then just somebody improv.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Just a little, like, subtle funny. Oh, yeah. Tons of improv with you guys, but.

[Jamie King]

Which started from the seeds of every idea that you guys did, you know, it's just like, more like, okay, getting pushed to go further, further with it. Everyone was so amazing on that.

[Heather McDonald]

And just what was it like to just play such a rich bitch?

[Jamie King]

I had to approach it like, I wasn't a bitch.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

It's just that I was. We were right. And they were really mean.

[Heather McDonald]

And being that it was really. It was really based on Paris and Nikki, because at the time they were in, you know, Page Six. And I'll think about these two girls that were dancing on tables in the Hamptons. And that's kind of where they got the idea.

[Jamie King]

And then.

[Heather McDonald]

And then they wanted to do. And then it was actually Sean's idea that they would be two black guys that pretend to be white women. And then they were like, well, let's do it. Then the. I don't know how the FBI crime happened, but I thought that was the most brilliant part.

[Jamie King]

Yeah, I agree.

[Heather McDonald]

And then put it in this world. And then what was really cool is Kenan was like, okay, we're gonna watch every movie that was ever in the history of moviemaking where men had to pretend to be a Be women for a reason.

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

So it was like we watched, you know, some Like It Hot all the way back to, like, Tootsie.

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And so then I remember Keenan being like, there has to be a scene where. Where they almost get caught.

[Jamie King]

Yep.

[Heather McDonald]

So, like, then we had Sean almost.

[Jamie King]

Get caught, you know, and, like, I love that scene. I love that scene.

[Heather McDonald]

All those kinds of things that I was like. I was like, oh. And that's kind of when I realized, like, you know, even though this was such an innovative movie, there is, like, there is a formula to, like, writing a movie.

[Jamie King]

Absolutely.

[Heather McDonald]

And how genius it is to, like, look and kind of figure out, like, oh, need that. We need. You know, we need, like, the opening scene being that they established that they really are FBI agents and, you know, this was the crime and how funny that was and that they can do different characters. And he. You know.

[Jamie King]

And structure. Yeah, structure and story. You know, like, that's. And Keen's so brilliant at that. It's. I remember he. In one of the rehearsals, it was really like a sit down with him and the girls, and he was like, you know, gave a sheet of paper, like a worksheet about, you know, what is your history? Da, da, da, da.

[Heather McDonald]

Of your character.

[Jamie King]

Yeah. And I was like, silently, like, I already did this. I already done that. Like, deep dive. You know what I mean? Yeah. But I was proud that I had already done that work, not knowing that he would even suggest to bring up that work, because it's not something you.

[Heather McDonald]

Used to create a whole backstory for yourself.

[Jamie King]

Yeah, yeah. You know, a playlist. Like, how do you merge yourself with this character? And I just. Like, he really taught me that you treat comedy the same way that you do with drama. There's no difference. And the one thing he said that will always stick with me, he said there's no room for vanity and comedy. And that I was like, Cause you gotta make a mess.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

There's no room for vanity in it. You got to be willing to get messy.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, I also remember, you know, when he was like, well, maybe the character. Who was the character? What was the character's name that did the backpack? Betty. I know the actress, but I don't.

[Jamie King]

Know what was her character name?

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know. But that girl that did that, I remember he was like, wait a minute. She's going shopping and she is wearing a skimpy outfit.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So then why would she not want to get into, like, another skimpy outfit and feel fat? And I remember being like, because we're psycho. Like, I don't know. I'm like, that's. Because that's a normal thing.

[Jamie King]

It's so easy to have body dysmorphia. And in two seconds and under the wrong lighting in a dressing room, you start to go, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

All of a sudden, it doesn't fit.

[Jamie King]

You know, and then.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, the fact that, like, Busy. I loved Busy Phillips, too, and I loved how, you know, Busy Phillips, how her character. You know, everything going on with her character and. And even her, like, they had to pick the wardrobe. That actually wasn't flattering.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

It would have been very easy to, like, put her in a more flattering outfit, but they. Because she wasn't big, but she had to look, like, a little curvier than the other girls to make that thing, which. Yeah. So it was so fun. And. Okay, so that was, like, a really. A really fun thing for you to do. Okay, so.

[Jamie King]

And also, I will say, before, like, doing it, I was like, I don't want this to be portrayed as. Cause Nikki and Paris have been my friends since they were teenagers.

[Heather McDonald]

So you knew them before you even went out on the movie?

[Jamie King]

Absolutely.

[Heather McDonald]

And were you thinking that it would be possibly.

[Jamie King]

I called. I called. Cause I was like, I don't want to. I never wanted. No way. Those are my sisters now.

[Heather McDonald]

How did you guys meet?

[Jamie King]

Those are my ride or dies, like, forever. Forever. We met in New York and I think I must have been 17. 17. 17 years old. It was like, right when JetBlue, like, came out. And so they flew us to Miami and we all went together. And I. We've just been extremely close through everything since. They're two of the most brilliant artists. Business, women, mothers, friends. I really crave and love family and family units. And they're my family. And so going to do that film, I couldn't, in my head, base it off of either of them right at all because that's not what I knew of them.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. They're not like that anyway, so I.

[Jamie King]

Was just playing a. I was just playing the character that came forward of what I know about people that. That act like that.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Jamie King]

You know, But I didn't base it off of them at all.

[Heather McDonald]

It really wasn't. It was just kind. I think it was just the springboard of that. That, like, rich girls in the Hamptons that would have a father that, you know, might find himself in this situation and that type of thing. And then from the perspective of a black male, not like I remember. So Sean was like, we gotta go out with your friends. We wanna go out one night with your friends. So I was like, okay. So we meet at Mr. Chow's, like, Sean, a couple of the other writers that I was friends with, and then we went to this, like, nightclub that I wanted. I wanna say, I don't know that it was called the Gate or whatever it was on La Cienega, but I feel like you went.

[Jamie King]

Like there was a white. Like, typically white leaning club. Yeah, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, kind of. Yeah, whatever. A mix. And so that's when the. The Beyonce song actually came on. And we were so excited to dance that. And Sean just stood back and he was like. That's when he was like, I don't care how much it's going to cost to get this song. We have to have that song for this scene. Because the girls, the entire club, all the girls went crazy.

[Jamie King]

It's iconic.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

And also, I don't think we had the freaking rights to the song when we did that scene. Oh, really? Or when we were rehearsing. Unless I'm tripping, I don't. I knew that they were like, no matter what, we're gonna get it. I don't know if they actually had them yet.

[Heather McDonald]

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[Jamie King]

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[Jamie King]

And so it was very.

[Heather McDonald]

So good. Everyone was so good in that. Yeah. And so then that was crazy. Like, that we, you know, that he just was such. He was like. Sean was really, like. It was really. That his whole idea was this movie, like his brainchild. And then. And then. But then everyone would say, why isn't there another? And all I could remember is that they were writing, producing, and they were the stars. I don't even think they slept two hours a day.

[Jamie King]

No. They were exercising, eating a vegan diet. I remember, like, the highlight of the day was that those little cups of those little.

[Heather McDonald]

Because they had to be so much sour chocolate chip.

[Jamie King]

Like, they're like M and M's, but they're not. They're like the kind you get at like a co op. Yeah. And. Yeah. The amount of hair and makeup and the writing and the producing.

[Heather McDonald]

I just remember exercise. I just remember, like, Shaun or Mellon literally just sitting there as they, like, finished the hands. And that's like, when they were getting their sleep.

[Jamie King]

Yep. Literally in the.

[Heather McDonald]

In the chair. So then. So then when recently, when there's been some talk that they'll. It's gonna happen. I don't know if it'll happen. Of course I reached out and was like, I don't care what element. Even if it's just like a one day consultant. I have so many ideas of what a great like storyline would be or at least something to do with. I just have to do something with it. And now I kind of wonder if in this world of like AI, if they could still do something like that but not actually have to like get in a mask. You know what I mean? Like, you know how they did with like the Irishman.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And how they could. Or how now they can just like I was just at a taping of Leanne Morgan's show and they said, okay, you're gonna see a scene we already filmed. And it's them on. It's Leanne and her husband on the first date. And it's through the magic of like AI, it was them doing the scene. And then they were able to like in post. They didn't have to get. Yeah. They didn't have to put another actress in Leigh Anne's part. Like it could just still be Leigh Ann, but they made her look like she was, you know, like a normal, you know, 25 year old girl. But it was her. It's crazy.

[Jamie King]

It's so bonkers.

[Heather McDonald]

So I wonder if they could do that. That'd be nice if they could, if it'd still be as funny.

[Jamie King]

I think it's different when you're actually in it.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Jamie King]

You know what I mean? Because that's what leads to. At least for me, when I put the clothes on, when I put the makeup on, when I see, you know, it's part of becoming the character.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

You know, and the AI stuff, I'm like, yeah, I'm not, I don't, I'm not.

[Heather McDonald]

No. You know, I just had someone do my voice. They took my voice.

[Jamie King]

It's not a vibe for me.

[Heather McDonald]

And they put it on someone else's. They put it on like an older woman podcaster that looked smarter than me with glasses talking about some product. But it was my voice and like.

[Jamie King]

10 people sent it to me. Illegal. That is wrong.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I know. And it's a hard fight. It's like. But part of me was sort of flattered because I see they do it to like, you know, other podcasters like Mel Robbins and Joe Rogan. So I was like, I guess I've kind of made it, whatever. This voice sounds like an authoritative voice somehow that you chose to steal it. But one more question about that. So then when the movie came out, did Paris and Nikki like love it? Did they Think it was funny. Like, where did they realize that they were one of the inspiration?

[Jamie King]

I don't. I don't know if they did because I didn't go for. Aim for that, like, angle, you know?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jamie King]

Actually, I'm gonna ask them that because I haven't.

[Heather McDonald]

I would guess they loved it.

[Jamie King]

I think everyone loves this movie.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

There's no one I've ever met that doesn't love this movie.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Jamie King]

Literally one of the. And again we're saying now more than ever, it's like, it's crazy.

[Heather McDonald]

I know. I love that. You know what a big part of it is though, like, so in raising my sons, and I've said this before, there is like a real lack of comedies for teenage boys to enjoy.

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

They have to watch all they like. Old School Stepbrothers is like every 20 year old's favorite movie. And that was like 15 years ago. Like, there's nothing new that comes out that's kind of like that. And even with white chicks, he was like, it's not gonna be R, it's gonna be PG13. Because it would be a broader audience.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So in like choosing the jokes, we had to make sure we never entered towards the R because he knew at that time that was a big price difference of how much a movie could make, you know, and. But yeah, I think that's. I think that's really where filmmaking, they need to tap into that. That.

[Jamie King]

We're missing that. We're missing that now.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, for sure.

[Jamie King]

There's not really any great comedies coming out.

[Heather McDonald]

No. They have to watch all the old Will Ferrell, Vince Vaughn type of stuff. That's why they just like watch it over and over again and they love it because there isn't anything else that like speaks to them. That's why I say if someone can write something like that, I'm like, that's where the money should be is writing those kind of comedies that like where these boys feel they can relate.

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay, so I want to get into. I mean, you've done so many movies and so many things and of course I interviewed Cherry Papini and you play her in a movie that came out not too long ago, after it was, you know, after she was convicted, they wrote this movie and did they come right to you and offer it to you?

[Jamie King]

It was really strange because I saw a cover of People magazine and I was like, who is this person? What's going on here? Like something was up. Do you know what I mean? I was like, why do I feel like they're not telling the whole story here. And I read the.

[Heather McDonald]

She first was missing or when she first came back. Yeah.

[Jamie King]

Wait for it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

So I called my manager and I was like, I really want to option this story.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, really?

[Jamie King]

Yeah, because there's something here. Something's. Something's amiss. Either her real story is not being told or something else is not being told. But something's up here. Cut to. Literally the next day I get the offer for Sherri Papini. The next day.

[Heather McDonald]

And this was this when they.

[Jamie King]

And I'd never read this. Anything about it. I read it.

[Heather McDonald]

You weren't following it?

[Jamie King]

No. The day that I read the article, I called my manager. The next day I get the offer and I was not following it at all.

[Heather McDonald]

That's crazy.

[Jamie King]

Isn't that crazy?

[Heather McDonald]

Do you feel like you have a lot of that stuff that happened in your life where you're kind of like sometimes even inadvertently manifesting something? Absolutely, yeah.

[Jamie King]

Do you?

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. A lot. Where I look back and a lot of things that I've said and done as a young. Like even as a kid, like where I'd say, oh, I'd like this to be. You know, I imagine myself writing a book and my child interrupting me and. But writing from the house. And then when I was writing my first book, like that exact same thing, you know, stuff like that happened and I didn't necessarily put it on the board that I bought at Michael's, you know, and like whatever. Or in Cherry Pipini's hobby lobby, whatever crap she's into. But. No, but I would definitely like say it. And then there were times where I would do like the. Where I look back and I would do almost like an anti. Manifestation where I remember like at the Groundlings, which was this theater I was part of. The first day I walked in, there was the 30 main company and then there was like the 18 that performed only on Sunday. So like an A and B company. I remember I look went right And I go, oh, I'll make the B company, but I probably won't make the A. And I didn't.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So like, I think sometimes you can do it to the negative.

[Jamie King]

Absolutely. Because energy follows thought. Yeah, it follows thought. So when we're putting something out there typically will probably go it depending on that direction. You know, in that direction. I mean, we. I was looking through a journal, like a book of mine when I was 7 years old, 6 or 7. And I just wrote money on there dollar bills. And I was like. When I. When I Grow up. I'm gonna become a model, and I'm gonna make lots and lots of money. It was just money, money, money, money, money, money, money. And that's what happened. And then on to the next. On to the next.

[Heather McDonald]

Did you know, obviously, you were a beautiful child? Did you know that one of your gifts was, in fact, you know, being exquisite looking? Like, when do you realize that as a child that you have. That your talent is. Part of. Your talent is your outside appearance?

[Jamie King]

I didn't grow up in a typical way in terms of being accepted for the way that I looked at all. I was not like, the cool kid. I got my ass kicked all the time in school, couldn't stand it. I was always humiliated. It was really like, I was just different. I looked a particular way, but didn't fit somehow into the way that kids wanted me to fit. I was too eccentric or maybe didn't have enough money to buy all the fancy things or whatever. And the way I would dress was very eclectic, and I just couldn't fit. And it was really. It was really upsetting. And kids can be really mean.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, yeah.

[Jamie King]

You know, and so I. I knew in my heart that I was beautiful, but I didn't know how that would fit in. I'm also autistic, so it's like, I have a lot of other things that I focus on. Other than.

[Heather McDonald]

You're autistic?

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

When did they find that out?

[Jamie King]

Oh, I found out my late 20s.

[Heather McDonald]

And how. How did that come about?

[Jamie King]

It came about through getting tested because I realized that, like, by having adhd, then there was a possibility that the other thing would be the case. And I was getting my master's in spiritual science and psychology, and I just started to really understand more of, like, oh, that's that thing in me that's kind of different than other people, you know? Like, it's just the way that my brain processes and the way that I relate or connect to the world is very.

[Heather McDonald]

Just.

[Jamie King]

It's not like, normal, per se. Yeah, but that's also, like, the genius side, too. It's a gift.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So when you. Okay, so let's get back to the Sherry Papini. Okay, so you get. So how soon after they offer you the part, do they offer you the part without handing you the script or.

[Jamie King]

Oh, they offered it to me. And so, you know, as, you know, offer letter, offer a script, materials attached.

[Heather McDonald]

No, I never get offered anything. No, I don't get offered. If I go offer anything, I have to go out for it. Or write it myself. But okay, so then in doing it, you know, when I interviewed Sherry, so just to catch people up, if you haven't heard this interview I did a few months ago, and Sherry Papini, after it was found out that she did know her captor and she was convicted for lying to the police and the government about what really happened, she has come out of jail and now she has said that the story was that, yes, she knew her captor, but no, she didn't choose to stay confined to this room all this time.

[Jamie King]

I don't even know what she's saying since.

[Heather McDonald]

So she's saying to just fill people in. In a nutshell, she's saying she knew this guy and she knew him from her past. And they started a little like, correspondence or whatever. She was in a very unhappy marriage with her husband.

[Jamie King]

And.

[Heather McDonald]

And in the past, she had done phone flirting with other people that he discovered. So he then became more controlling of it. And it almost made her want to, I think, seek that attention from wherever. So this was like an old boyfriend. Someone in his family died. She reached out and started talking to him. And then she says, he was like, I'm coming to see you today. And she was like, oh, fuck. Like, maybe I. Maybe I flirted too hard because now I don't want him to be here.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So she goes out to meet him to just basically be like, you gotta go. I can't see you. And then she says, I don't remember anything more. So she's like. Cause I said, I go. So you don't remember going willingly with him or unwillingly? Or did you just get in the car to, like, placate him? And then he just drove the nine hours. And she's like, I just don't know. I just know that I think I was drugged. I was like, woke up at once we got to the house in Costa Mesa.

[Jamie King]

And then.

[Heather McDonald]

So there's a lot of. She says in the documentary, which then that's kind of what I was basically interview. She basically says then she was there and then she was held against her will. And the abuse that place, like, as far as the bruises and things were part of sexual S and M that he insisted that she do. And it was against her will.

[Jamie King]

Sexual sm and she's like a sub and he's like a dom or something.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And so then I was like, so what? So then one of the COVID art of your. Of your movie is you have the bandage on your nose, which she had when she then was finally released. And Went home and said, there's these two Mexican women that kidnapped her and lied about that for, like, four years until they finally, like, got him to tell whatever they wanted him to tell. She says that he was, like. It sounds like she believes he was sort of coerced into saying that they were in on it together in order to, like, save himself from going to prison. And so it's like, with watching it and interviewing her and everything else. I mean, obviously, when she was sitting across from me, I was being very nice.

[Jamie King]

Was it weird to look. I think she's very weird for me after having to study her.

[Heather McDonald]

So she actually talked about you and she said, she's lovely. And she read some interview where you said, you know, I'm gonna do the best I can. This is a sensitive subject. I can't imagine what person really has gone through, so I'm just going to play the role of how it's written, whatever. And she thought that was, like, very respectful. And I think it's interesting because it's like, when I first heard about it and that it wasn't true. Fake trick. Own kidnapping, per se. I thought a couple things. I thought, either, yeah. That she is kind of fame hungry. But then I'm like. But then she kept such a low profile after she came back. She wasn't, like, trying to do things to be in the limelight. So I think really what it was is I think that she, you know, was fucked up and flirting with these guys. I think that she wanted her husband to, like, worry and miss about her. I think he wanted the husband to miss her. And then once she got there, then I think he was, like, kind of dumb, and he was like, oh, what the fuck? Now I'm a fucking kidnapper. It's all over the news.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

No, like, you're not leaving.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And that's kind of what I think happened. I think she willingly went. Didn't think it would blow up that much. Then realized, what the fuck am I doing? I'm in this, like, little weird house in Costa Mesa. I want to be back with my family. But, oh, fuck, now what? Yep, that's what I think happened. And then, you know. So I think in some ways, she was kind of kept. Maybe not everything she was willing to do. I mean, the fact that she lost so much weight makes me think that it wasn't totally her doing. You know, the branding thing is weird, which I know there was a scene in the movie of that.

[Jamie King]

All of this stuff is in the movie. And when I went to approach to play. I was like, okay, I'm gonna, like, with any acting, do it as honestly as possible.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

Because in the back of my head, again, I didn't know it was true or not true.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Jamie King]

So I wanted to approach it as if I was her and her truth. You know, it's actually. You gotta see the movie. It's really good.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, No, I really do want to see it. Because, I mean, I should have seen it before. Before you came to it. But, like, no, I will definitely see this. I know it was on Lifetime, so we could probably find it on Hulu or something.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

But in.

[Jamie King]

Yeah, we did the branding. We did.

[Heather McDonald]

And the branding was in the movie. It was that she's telling him to do it, right?

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Because that is what he tells the officers. But always with that, I was like, okay. You know, even with someone who has an extremely low iq, like, you wouldn't say, wait, I don't want to hit you. I don't want to hurt you. Like, this is. Why am I like. It was weird that they just let him off the hook completely. So I do feel like they. They set up their case to make her the lying villain.

[Jamie King]

Yeah. Because she has a vagina.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And they said. Yeah.

[Jamie King]

All women apparently are.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's weird when I look back at cases, because now I'm doing, like, another series, Juicy Crimes. And it's just so interesting, you know, how there have been cases throughout time where it's just, like, just so out to get the woman in. And it was the woman that made her lover kill her husband. And you're like, no, but wait, the lover is gonna get out in five years. Who actually shot him. And the woman in the case of Sabrina Limone is gonna have to spend the rest of her life in prison. And it's not even. I still think there's a lot of doubt that she. If she knew that he killed her husband or not. But I'm like, how is he gonna get out?

[Jamie King]

Because that's just the way it's always been, though.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

Honestly, that's the way it is. We are not heard or seen or have a right to a fair or just trial in any way, shape or form. I mean, we don't even have rights to our own bodies. And that wasn't that long ago before that stopped. And look where we are now. You know, it's like, it's. There's. I don't know what this witch hunt always is about. You know, it's just pretty disturbing. It would be nice yeah. I'm not saying that everyone is innocent.

[Heather McDonald]

Right.

[Jamie King]

But it's like, I think the process is completely different.

[Heather McDonald]

I mean, it was a very interesting thing, like what they got her on, because it was like. Because she actually, like, lied. It was about. It wasn't. It wasn't necessary. You faked a kid up. It was that you lied when we asked you about it, and that. That is a crime because it was like a federal case.

[Jamie King]

And was it also because she utilized resources?

[Heather McDonald]

Yes. Like, they. As a victim, you had. She had whatever, $30,000 or something.

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

So, yes, she was. She did take advantage of that so that she. All that she has to pay back. They're still paying all that back. And then she gets with this other guy. So she has this. Had a boyfriend, still longer with him. She gets with this other guy whose wife mysteriously died.

[Jamie King]

Wait, wait.

[Heather McDonald]

Sherry Papini gets out of prison, she gets a boyfriend.

[Jamie King]

I don't know what happened since she got out of prison.

[Heather McDonald]

She gets out of prison, she gets a boyfriend. And there's some articles like, oh, my God, I can't believe these two are together. And this guy was like a nurse, and his wife that he had just asked for a divorce suddenly died of, like, I don't know if it was Covid, but it was like, pneumonia. It was something very fishy. And then he immediately got, you know, went off to make sure she got buried or cremated or something. And there was a whole, like, Facebook group to, you know, justice for this girl. And there's something fishy going on. And then they're like. And of course, she's. And he's dating Sherri Papini. And then. So when I interviewed her, they had since broken up and were actually in and out of court based on some, like, a house that he promised her and she won't leave and something financial.

[Jamie King]

I don't mean to laugh. It's like, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And I. So I said that I go, do you think you have a problem with your picker?

[Jamie King]

Like, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

You're saying that your ex husband was horrible. You're saying that the. The boyfriend that you recontacted is the one that kidnapped you. And then you get out of prison and you meet a guy who people are pointing a finger at that he might have something to do with his wife's odd death, and now you've broken up with him.

[Jamie King]

What'd she say?

[Heather McDonald]

She's like, yes, I think I have a bad picture. She came, and she's like, a very cute girl. So she has this ability to kind of bond with you on a girlfriend basis. And she was one of those girls that. She is one of those people that does that thing where they, like, use your name all the time. But we just met, so she'd be like, you know, Heather, you know, if I was gonna meet him. So one of the things she said was, I was supposed to just meet him for lunch, and I was gonna have a friend come. And I go, well, then your friend would be able to corroborate that story that there was a plan to meet for lunch. And she was like, no, I don't. But. But then we never did meet for lunch. I thought I could placate him and meet him for lunch, but then I was like, no. And that's when I said, I can't see you at all. That's when I went for my run and then saw him at the edge of the street. And I don't remember anything else. And so then when I did the interview, she mentioned the restaurant. And then someone wrote me and said, that restaurant's only open for dinner. And I go, well, maybe it was open for lunch back in 2017. And I looked it up, and it wasn't. And I was kind of like. And then the only other thing was, she comes back, and she had thick, you know, thick blonde hair. Like, she has a good head of hair when I saw her, and it was, like, cut like a choppy bob. And I remember thinking when she first said, these two Mexican women kidnapped her, and they must have. And people thought, oh, maybe they were taking her to be trafficked because she's blonde and she looks like she's going to be younger. And I remember thinking, well, why would they want to destroy your looks if long blonde hair is an asset to traffic, so why would you cut the hair? So then when I said it, somebody goes, did you look at the hair? It wasn't, like, shaved. It was just, like a choppy bob. So then I was like, I think maybe. I go, well, now the guy wouldn't have cut the hair. That's not part of bdsm. So I'm like, so I did write her. And I go, I just. I have one more question.

[Jamie King]

I mean, it could be. It depends on your kink. Maybe you wanted her hair for later or something.

[Heather McDonald]

Maybe.

[Jamie King]

Who knows?

[Heather McDonald]

But I don't know. She didn't write me back about, when did you cut whose hair? I didn't know if. Maybe. Because if you were. If you were to think that this was all her doing, she wasn't held against her will, Maybe she cut her own hair just to add to, like, the trauma of, like, oh, my God. And they cut my hair and they burned me with the hobby lobby thing and that. She did have, like, an answer for everything. And I always thought it was very weird that, like, that they. That this guy was not, you know. And I go, now, don't you? When you were keeping this secret, that this guy was so dangerous for four years because you were so afraid that your husband would get mad that you're with him? I'm like, weren't you concerned that this weirdo could do this to, like, another girlfriend?

[Jamie King]

Yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

And she was like, yeah, but, you know, like, I didn't know what to do. So it was this. But you. Yeah, I definitely need to see the movie because that's, like, an interesting. Like, is that the. Is that the first, like, real person that you've ever played?

[Jamie King]

No, I played real people before. I played a woman named Tony Jo Henry, who was one of the first women ever to be electrocuted in the United States.

[Heather McDonald]

What was that about?

[Jamie King]

And that was. That was in the late 30s. Toni Jo was a young girl. She was sold to a brothel when she was about 7 years old by her stepmother. And so grew up in a brothel, became addicted to heroin. Da, da, DA meets this love of her life. He comes in. He was a boxer. He gets her clean. They fall in love, get married, and go down to Texas. And then he gets arrested for. Because cops. Because basically he killed a cop in a different state. And the cops found him. And so he used to run with Bonnie and Clyde. And so then she makes a vow to get him out of prison and then teams up with someone else. One of, like, not a Good Guy. John Hawks plays that character. He's so amazing. And so we. Tony Jo asked him to teach her how to rob banks because she needs money to get her husband out. She's very determined about this. She doesn't believe in God, et cetera, et cetera. Things go awry, someone gets shot. And that person that gets shot is very highly linked up in the state government. They put her. They charge her with the murder and give her the death sentence. And it's just. It's a really amazing movie. It's called the Pardon. The Pardon.

[Heather McDonald]

And so you play that role?

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And do you have a scene where they put you in the chair?

[Jamie King]

Yes. And it was actually like, a real chair.

[Heather McDonald]

Was that just so freaky?

[Jamie King]

It was so freaky. And you know what else is really freaky is that I Asked the financiers why they wanted to do this, like, why it mattered so much to them because it was a beautiful film. And they're like, we don't. There's just something about this film we just knew we had to do. And the financiers were lawyers and judges and came from a long lineage of lawyers and judges. And so we're filming in this office, and props needed more books from that time. And they're like, oh, perfect. Because, you know, my great granddad has all that stuff downstairs. So they go downstairs and come back up, and they're white. Who?

[Heather McDonald]

Wait, whose house? Downstairs?

[Jamie King]

Like, so we were in this office, but it was the family office that we were filming in. Right. And that office had been like. Was the grandfathers. The great grandfathers of the financiers, producers.

[Heather McDonald]

Oh, okay. So he goes. He goes, my gr. We have some old books. Okay.

[Jamie King]

Yeah. So he sort of goes downstairs, you know, to help, you know, set deck pick out books and stuff like that. Comes back upstairs white. And I'm like, what? What's up? What's up? And he was, like, nearly in tears. He was shook. He found in the. In one of the drawers and the desk that he'd never gone into before because he never had any reason to, like, a docket. And it had all the sign and then it said her name and all the signatures of the judges that had to sign to prove for her to be electrocuted. Yeah. And his great granddad was the last signature on it.

[Heather McDonald]

That is so crazy. And he never knew that and why.

[Jamie King]

Doing the movie, he was white. Cause again, props, set deck all went down with them. Yeah, they were all just rummaging around, you know, in this family office that no one ever went to, except we just used it as a filming location. And so when it comes back to the things, like, there's some things that we need to make. And then the fact that I was like, oh, wow, that's a way to balance out that karma. You know what I mean?

[Heather McDonald]

Wow. And just that the way the universe works and that there's. That there was a strong tie that he didn't know that was somehow drawing him to the story in the subconscious universe. Like, that is so interesting. Now, when you play certain parts, is it hard to go to bed while you're filming? Do you, like, dream? Are you a dreamer?

[Jamie King]

Like, what's that? Like, I have very intense dreams, and I use a lot of my dreams for the character, so I'll do, like, a lot of, you know, dream study. Or Jungian theory. And so I'll set an intention before I go to sleep that anything that can be revealed about the character and how we can merge together or et cetera, et cetera. I write a letter and then I sign it and I go to sleep. And then when I wake up, I wait till I sit up and I just immediately journal down everything that I dreamt about. And this is something that I learned from the Actors Studio. That's a very sacred and really, really effective tool. And so then you go through all the dream and you figure out what's what. And then it informs how you connect to the character. And also like, literally how you connect. It's really.

[Heather McDonald]

That's amazing.

[Jamie King]

Yeah. So. But sometimes it's really hard to sleep because you're wired from the day.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, that's what I would think.

[Jamie King]

You get like.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, even when I do any kind of like, performance or stand up or whatever, I cannot. It doesn't matter if to get up in three hours. I always know that, like, I can't go right to bed. No, you never go back. So you're like. Yeah, after you're like acting all day and then you're like, only have a few hours in between.

[Jamie King]

Yeah. It's nearly impossible. Yeah, it really is.

[Heather McDonald]

So what? I know you have two young boys. Cause I met them at the party. So you're like, you know, in that they're like, in what, middle school? How old are they?

[Jamie King]

James and I just started middle school this year.

[Heather McDonald]

Okay.

[Jamie King]

And Leo Thames is in fifth.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. That's like a busy with all that back to school and all that kind of stuff. And you're recently engaged?

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

And how did you guys meet?

[Jamie King]

We met through mutual friends.

[Heather McDonald]

So that's exciting.

[Jamie King]

It is exciting.

[Heather McDonald]

So it's like a whole new chapter of life. And what's the latest thing that you're working on?

[Jamie King]

I'm about to start a film called Bound for Glory that I'm really excited about. And I start that in October and I do my pressure tour for love, Danielle, which is being released very soon. That's on Thursday.

[Heather McDonald]

What's that about?

[Jamie King]

It's about. It's a true story, but that's another true character.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

Devin Siedel and her sister Amy and I play Emmy. It's about her sister and her. Her journey of having broccoli gene and having to have double mastectomy. All of her reproductive organs removed, even though she really wanted children. And this whole film was made on donations, which is extraordinary. And the reason why she found out is because her sister, who I play, Amy in real life, had to do the same thing. She got really sick and almost died. And that's the reason why Devin went and got tested. And so it's an extraordinary act of, like, loving. And this film is super funny and. And poignant and very meaningful for me because I've been through the journey of cancer, as most of us have, with many friends and family members, and I'm very excited about that.

[Heather McDonald]

That's awesome. Yeah, that's like a more recent story in history.

[Jamie King]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Heather McDonald]

Because, like, we're just hearing about that in the last, like, decade or so.

[Jamie King]

Exactly.

[Heather McDonald]

That's really. That's really important.

[Jamie King]

And I have three other films coming out, too.

[Heather McDonald]

And you worked with Steve Martin, too?

[Jamie King]

Oh, my God, yes. And Eugene Levy and Bonnie Hunt. All the Tour by the Dozens.

[Heather McDonald]

Like, the Cheaper by the Dozen was such a great, like, movie. Wait, so what were you, one of the kids or what?

[Jamie King]

Yeah, I play one of Eugene Levy's daughter.

[Heather McDonald]

And was it just so fun?

[Jamie King]

Oh, my God. It's like Steve, like, playing the banjo every day, like, just. It was a master class in comedy because, like, seeing the way that Eugene worked, seeing the way that Steve worked, seeing the way that Bonnie worked, and we'd be doing these big set pieces, and everyone has their own approach, you know, with comedy, and it was just like. I couldn't believe it. It was amazing. We had so much fun.

[Heather McDonald]

That is so awesome. Now, you also worked with Bruce Willis.

[Jamie King]

Yes, multiple times.

[Heather McDonald]

And did you ever notice that maybe something was slipping at that time or. Not during those movies?

[Jamie King]

Not in the first movies, but I did one of his last movies with him, and I'm very close with his daughters and his family. And we did a film called out of Death that came out in 20. We did in the Pandemic. So that was November of 2020. So it came out like 2021. The experience that I had with him, I think was different because we've known each other for so long. And so when he would look at me and we would do our scenes, it was like he was locked in. It wasn't the same Bruce, but there was something different. There was something different. It was. When I say something different, I think that he knew my loving and I knew his loving. So my experience wasn't the same as the way maybe other people had experienced it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah, I mean, it's such a. It's also really beautiful when you see his family and his wife and when they do, like, a little update and it's sadly something so many people can relate to, of just loving that person, knowing that they love you, but they don't have the faculties that they once did.

[Jamie King]

And it's really.

[Heather McDonald]

It's really amazing to see, you know, and it's really. I'm sorry to make you emotional.

[Jamie King]

Oh, it's okay.

[Heather McDonald]

You know, I mean, I can imagine that's not what I'll end on something fun. No. This was so great. I'm so glad that you have so many great projects. And I mean, have you won any awards or been nominated for your acting?

[Jamie King]

Yes, I have.

[Heather McDonald]

What have you won?

[Jamie King]

Lots of different things.

[Heather McDonald]

I don't know. I didn't know. I mean, I feel like you've done so many things, and I'm like, I'm sure she's been up herself.

[Jamie King]

I'm a weirdo when it comes to awards. I don't like talking about it.

[Heather McDonald]

These. Yeah.

[Jamie King]

Because, I mean, I do it because I love it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. Do you?

[Jamie King]

Honestly, the awards, and I don't mean to sound cliche, but literally the. The rewards and the awards are. If I can make anyone feel less alone, like, that's really what it's about. And when I get to be like, with my crew and my cast and just tell the truth and entertain people, like, that's it for me. Like, that's. That's everything.

[Heather McDonald]

I know. Isn't that so great when someone says something like, I. I've told this story before on my show, so for the people that have heard it, but it's like, I remember Eddie Murphy was on a talk show. It was like a call in thing. And this is when I'm like 10 and I'm watching him, and this woman called in and she said, oh, I just wanted to tell you, Eddie, if I ever had a chance to tell you this, this many years ago, my son, like, tragically died, like, horrible. And she said, I will never laugh again. She told herself that I'm never gonna laugh again. And she's like. And that night I turned on Saturday Night Live and he was like his Gumby character or something. And she's like. And I laughed again. And I remember at like 10 years old, I was like, that's what I want to do. I want to make somebody be able to laugh on their worst day or just escape.

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Or whatever. And I think when you're in this business and it really is because of something that genuine and not, oh, I want to have a big house and be on the COVID of magazines, and I just want to Be famous. I don't want to, you know, like, or whatever that. And there's nothing wrong with those people either. But the real people that do this do it for those actual reasons.

[Jamie King]

Absolutely.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. And that's what's so cool.

[Jamie King]

I don't know how anybody could even do it without if it wasn't for like, something so deep. Because it takes so much.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

There's so much that we go through and do. The perseverance and the vulnerability and the strength that it takes. It's like there's no time to really, like, I can't not do it.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah.

[Jamie King]

You know.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, it's so great. I'm so glad that you got to come and just share with us, like, your incredible career so far. And I think there's so many awesome things in your future. And if there is a white chicks.

[Jamie King]

Too, I hope we gotta do it.

[Heather McDonald]

You have got to be in it as like, you know, this living on a penthouse on your third divorce lady, like, you know, some amazing, funny character that could be that you just fit right in and maybe dropping snarky remarks or something without realizing it. Like, something like that would be amazing. But anyway, I love it. Tell everybody you have a great Instagram, beautiful photos and everything and a huge following. You're at 1.5 million people. So it's Jamie J A I M E Unique Spelling from your mother King, everybody. Follow her so you don't miss any of her upcoming projects and everything. Mother, filmmaker, activist, human, 100% founder. Oh, I love that. Oh, and then this is your production company.

[Jamie King]

Yes.

[Heather McDonald]

Hooligan Dreamers Production. What a great name.

[Jamie King]

Thank you.

[Heather McDonald]

I love that. That's so amazing. Have you ever directed anything?

[Jamie King]

I've directed multiple things, but I'm getting ready to direct my first feature film, which I'm very excited about.

[Heather McDonald]

That's so cool. That's a lot. That's hard.

[Jamie King]

We produce a lot.

[Heather McDonald]

Yeah. That's awesome.

[Jamie King]

It's very awesome.

[Heather McDonald]

Well, thank you. Thank you so much for coming, everybody.

[Jamie King]

Thank you.

[Heather McDonald]

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