Kempire (3:13)

I'm not really familiar with him either, so. But when I saw the story that apparently there are private investigators hitting up content creators, you know, are you being paid to report on Diddy? And I was like, okay. So I looked at his stuff, and I was like, but why this particular individual?

Heather McDonald (3:30)

Yes. So anyway, so my friend sent this to me, and I was like, wait, I think now this also happens a lot with TikTok, where someone is doing something funny. Like, and, you know, the first 50 comments don't get that it's funny. Okay? So I was like, maybe this guy's joking. But no, TMZ is reporting on it now. I saw another content creator discuss it, this girl. What is her name? Amalik Panobi. And she got 50,000 likes. So she's quite popular. She's a cute girl. And I guess she had the same investigators come to her. So according to what I saw is he thought his friend Donnell, who is a comedian, I know that they work together, was coming over, so he heard, like, a knock on his back door, and that's who he thought he was seeing to do, like, a podcast together. And these Two guys, just two white guys, like mid 40, 50 years old, are like, hey, we want to just talk to you. Are you the con? You know, are the influencer, named. Whatever his name was, Secret Service something?

Kempire (4:41)

Secret Service Sam?

Heather McDonald (4:42)

Yeah. And he's like, yeah, what's this about? And he's like, we just are curious. Are you being paid to do your videos about Diddy? And, you know, in watching it, I'm like, these guys aren't, in my opinion, not actors. They really do seem like they're just, like, retired cops that got into, like, investigating. Like, they seem like, legitimate.

Kempire (5:04)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (5:04)

And so he's like, no, I. I only have a hundred thousand followers. I don't make money off this. From the videos, which I can attest to, you have to meet. Have a lot more to make money of significance. And he's like, nobody. Nobody's paying me. So then this other girl said the same thing happened to her and another guy. Oh, there's a third one.

Kempire (5:27)

Now I found another guy that said the same thing.

Heather McDonald (5:29)

And it's the same two guys?

Kempire (5:30)

Same, yes.

Heather McDonald (5:31)

Okay. And are they all. Did you figure out, were they all in LA or what cities are they in?

Kempire (5:37)

No, I forgot where Secret Service Sam is. He's not. I don't know where he's located. And this other guy's located in Arizona, I think he said. So I'm like, why? What is going on?

Heather McDonald (5:49)

I think there's several things that could be going on, because I think now that we are like, what is the truth? I think just like when somebody goes, oh, my gosh, look at this. You know this hate message I got. And the message is written from someone in this camp. So you would immediately think, this camp is horrible. Look at the hate message they sent to me. But now I'm like, you don't know that someone who hates that camp is posing like their worst member. Whether it's politics, you know, celebrities hating each other, whatever. And then the. Or the person puts it on themselves to say, I'm a victim. Look at who's. Look how awful they are coming after me. So I feel like. So I'm like, wait, what if. What are we. Because the first thing you would see this. You'd think, wait a minute. Is that why I'm seeing. If you're just a non person covering this, you might see, what if this isn't true about P. Diddy? What if all these people that have infiltrated the Internet with all their stories from I went to a diddy party to 20 years ago, he did this to me. What if all these people were being paid in an ultimate smear thing to get P. Diddy to go down so that these other bad people, you know.

Kempire (7:11)

What I mean, Trying to change the narrative.

Heather McDonald (7:13)

Yeah. Like, so I think they're trying to. So that could be one story or it could be that truly they did find some people that were getting paid, just like we found with. Now influencers are coming forward and sharing that they were getting things from different political camps to either be pro influencers or diss the other side, which I think gave them the idea to then put this out there for people to be like, what is it?

Kempire (7:44)

Well, that's not far from the truth because literally the Southern district of New York, that's. That is charged. Diddy has accused him of using his own children to change the narrative and to manipulate potential jurors. So this is legally happening and he's being accused of doing this from his jail cell.

Heather McDonald (8:03)

Right. Where it's like, well, you which is. Which I don't agree with because you have kids and there's been kids who have stood by non famous. Their dad's being accused of killing their mother. And from. Right. You know, the famous case of the staircase. However, those kids stick by those kids people too. Yeah.

Kempire (8:21)

The prosecution says that the conversations that he's had with his children about the engagement of the. Of said posts. He's talking about the analytics.

Heather McDonald (8:30)

Oh, he is, yeah. So he's sort of like his conversations that are being taped. He's really saying, get out there.

Kempire (8:35)

Yeah. And just was it this week the judge ruled that the prosecution has to destroy his jailhouse notes. So he was in his cell, you know, writing, I guess, different information about his case, including Kalina Harper, who used to be his bandmate. Apparently he may have paid her to put out a statement after Dawn Richard's lawsuit against Diddy telling her, like, you know, that was not my experience.

Heather McDonald (9:00)

Wait, so his former bandmate from Diddy, Dirty Money has spoken and said, you know, he was the greatest guy. Nothing bad happened to me, basically.

Kempire (9:10)

She also did a recent interview with a YouTube channel, and she didn't look the best. She looked inebriated, she looked high. So she's not the best witness.

Heather McDonald (9:20)

Well, yeah, I think all these people that are, you know, telling their stories, I feel like not one is there any real proof. There's the young girl who said, I was, you know, trafficked from Riverside Social Services and kept in the tunnels of Bel Air. And I'm still like. And people said, are there these tunnels? And I'm like, I mean, there's permits and CFOs that you get of homes. Like, when I was a realtor, we could get that and we could see that this thing was added on and not with a permit or the original house was this size. So I'm like, if there really are tunnels underneath that were maybe built in 1930 when the house was originally built in the things of like, what if there's a war or something? I don't know. We would know if they were there and they'd be like, actually, there are tunnels. Because this builder did that. Yeah, like, we don't have the answer to that.

Kempire (10:21)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (10:21)

And so it's like, then we, you know, all the Jaguar Wright stuff. Oh, Jaguar who, you know, was singing like this, telling all this before he was arrested about what was going on. Then she did all these interviews then. I mean, people were doing impressions of her and everything.

Kempire (10:40)

Oh, I love them.

Heather McDonald (10:41)

Which she liked. She, like, reposted some of that.

Kempire (10:43)

Oh, yeah, she does. She loves the attention. Here's the thing with Jaguar. I believe that Jaguar is telling the truth in a lot of ways. But I think because of the notoriety that she's gained since then, she's adding a little sauce. She's really feeling herself in regards to it. So there's truth with what she's saying. And I've said this before, I think a lot of people right now will believe anything that you say about Diddy or Jay Z. You know, that nasty little couple that does nasty things that she said in her Piers Morgan interview. Anyone will believe it. I can tell you about the Diddy story that I have. I went to a freak off party before with Diddy.

Heather McDonald (11:18)

You did? No.

Kempire (11:20)

Oh, see, see? Immediately. And I'm sure the audience cars.

Heather McDonald (11:24)

It's really convincing. I immediately saw you in a white outfit going about, you know, 15 years ago. You were just a little.

Kempire (11:31)

Hanging out with Diddy. Yeah, hanging out with. See, that's the thing. Anyone will believe anything. And look, I'm not saying that. Free Diddy. No, I'm not saying that. What I'm saying is that now people are jumping on the bandwagon. And I think real victims are not being believed because of that.

Heather McDonald (11:49)

I mean, I think, you know, these cases, you know, they do have to have some validity. Like I've said before, even if it was 20 years ago, in taking on the case. It's like I wrote it in a journal. I told my mother, I told my best friend. And then the investigator for the attorney goes and is like, yes. And she went here and this happened, blah, blah, blah. So we think we've got someone here, but the guy has also, you know, got like now like 60 or 50, you know, 70 people. So it's like 120 at least up to 1220 now. I mean, how many people are working.

Kempire (12:22)

At the 120 with Tony Busby alone in Houston, that's 120. Then there were before that, 12 civil suits as well. And Tony Busby says that he has multiple lawsuits coming too. He's being sued now by a high profile celebrity that says that he's trying to extort them.

Heather McDonald (12:38)

Well, yeah, I mean, if you are somebody that like, whatever had a regrettable or not even regrettable night back in the day with Diddy, and you're like, you know, I was only 18 and I didn't know what the fuck I was doing and all right, I'll call this attorney. Maybe, maybe I never. Maybe I didn't really realize, like, how fucked up it was, but now I do. And I'm like, how? You know, because I'm like, thinking, how even. Like, how is this money even going to work with the pay? Is this going to be like, hey, it's a. Is he going to do, like a class action? He's going to be like, look, there's so many of you. It's better that we just plop it all together. Hope to get, you know, 20 million from Diddy, and then you each get a portion and I get 40% of it.

Kempire (13:23)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (13:24)

So, I mean, I don't know.

Kempire (13:25)

Like, according to Tony Busby, it's not a class action. He's made that clear that he's filing individual lawsuits. But he's also said that there have been already some celebrities that have settled with some of these victims that have been naming other people that may have been at these Diddy parties. So this new.

Heather McDonald (13:41)

Which is all, like, adding to this. And also, listen, everybody that's part of this, you know, either went to the party because they were fascinated by celebrity or wanted to be one themselves. So now whether all the, you know, and now everybody listen, everybody wants to be famous. Everybody has an Instagram account. Most everybody has a podcast. Everyone has a TikTok account. So it's like, if I can have a moment just to say, I went to this one party just to get any kind of thing. Yeah, we're seeing it all, and it's a lot. But as, again, I keep saying, who are the other people?

Kempire (14:20)

I think those other people are going to be named. Not everyone. Not everyone. But based off of what we heard from the Southern District of New York this week in response to. Because, you know, Diddy's trying to get bail, I believe Friday, this is when they're supposed to have the next bail hearing. He's already been denied bail twice, but he has a new judge, so he has an opportunity to seek bail again. I think because of what we found out in the prosecution's response is that he's doing things from the jail in regards to manipulating witnesses from the jail from outside. I think he's going to start dropping names.

Heather McDonald (14:57)

Well, that would be very interesting.

Kempire (15:00)

And I think the names we will find out will be not the names that people have been throwing out there. Kevin Hart, Jay Z, Meek Mill. I don't think it's going to be those people.

Heather McDonald (15:09)

Not as high profile.

Kempire (15:10)

Yeah, I think not as known as we know them.

Heather McDonald (15:16)

Okay. Do you have any insight that you can't say no. Okay.

Kempire (15:20)

Not at the moment. Heather.

Heather McDonald (15:22)

Those guys not.

Kempire (15:23)

I'M not trying to get sued, Heather, come on.

Heather McDonald (15:25)

Now, also, Diddy Sons issue a cease and desist over Kim Porter's book.

Kempire (15:31)

Yeah, the second book, because Explain. There was the first book, Kim's Lost Words, that hit number one on Amazon, which they eventually pulled because everyone.

Heather McDonald (15:40)

And who is the person who claims that they got the drive from her and printed it out? What is that guy's name again?

Kempire (15:46)

There are two different people.

Heather McDonald (15:47)

Okay.

Kempire (15:48)

There's the first book that came out. The second book, Courtney Burgess, who I don't believe really knew Diddy like that. I think he's just the middleman. He received it from some source. He's done interviews with News Nation talking about the book, and he didn't seem like the most credible. But again, I think he's just the middleman. And apparently he is the one that they sent the cease and desist to in regards to this second book that he's trying to put out, saying that, no, this is the real book. These are Kim's lost words. Kim's best friend says that that's not true. The family has said that that's not true. But now they're legally taking action saying that, you know, within a certain period of time. You have to take this down.

Heather McDonald (16:34)

Yeah. I mean, because anybody could have just, you know, like, what's. You know, someone could just go, here's Heather's loss. Like, you know, and also I just thought of a crazy thing with the AI. Oh, now let's say I went missing. Okay. And all of a sudden it's like, you know, hey, I. Heather. This is coming from Heather's housekeeper. This was the drive. And here's the book. They knowing my life and knowing my timeline of my life, because it's all over Instagram and everything. And same with Kim Porters. You know, you could talk about the fight happened after this crazy party, and people could go, wait, there was a crazy party that you know, and then you can do. How does Heather speak and write AI? Being that I wrote two books and then this thing could come out, it could kind of sound in my voice. Now, I don't know Kim Porter's voice, but the little bit that I saw, I said, I think this is bullshit. This just doesn't sound like a memoir journally type of way that a woman that's been through what she's been through would describe these situations. But I don't know.

Kempire (17:46)

Well, this goes back to what you were speculating at the top, you know, are these things that are coming out, trying to manipulate what People think, right. And some people have said the first book, that's what they believe. There was someone that was closely connected to Diddy and Kim Porter that just put this out there to throw people.

Heather McDonald (18:02)

Off the scent, to make people go, I don't believe anything now.

Kempire (18:06)

Exactly.

Heather McDonald (18:06)

Oh, my God. Yeah. That's what I'm wondering now.

Kempire (18:09)

Yeah. Do I believe that there was a book? Word on the street, Kim had openly said that she was working on a book. So there is a.

Heather McDonald (18:16)

And how do you feel about, you know, speculation about did she really die from pneumonia or was there foul play.

Kempire (18:22)

Involved at this particular point? Look, the kids have said that's not true. However, at this particular point, not everything has to be a lie when it comes to Diddy. There has to be some sort of truth. And the reason that Diddy has been able to get away with what he's been able to get away with for 30 plus years is because he knows people. And outside the music industry, he knows politicians, the Tom Girardi of it all. That's how he was able to get away for decades, because he had the pockets of people in law enforcement, politicians, people in power.

Heather McDonald (18:55)

Right.

Kempire (18:55)

And I don't know if you knew this. There was this conspiracy theory. The day that Diddy was arrested, all of these CEOs decided to step down from their positions.

Heather McDonald (19:05)

Oh, that's right.

Kempire (19:06)

Including Kevin Lyles.

Heather McDonald (19:07)

Now, who's Kevin Lyles?

Kempire (19:08)

He's a big music industry executive, and he stepped down from the 300 Entertainment Group and Sony.

Heather McDonald (19:14)

Right, The Sony guy did.

Kempire (19:15)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (19:17)

Yeah. And why. What? Why would it behoove them to step down at that moment?

Kempire (19:21)

Because they're probably scared of what Diddy knows. And I do believe Diddy.

Heather McDonald (19:25)

And they would rather step down, take their money, and just hope that let me put my head in the sand and hope that I'm not in a position to be pointed at. Yeah, yeah, right. Or they weren't participatory, but they certainly helped with hush money or kept people happy so that they don't speak or whatever.

Kempire (19:45)

Yeah, yeah.

Heather McDonald (19:46)

Because you think about it, if all of a sudden you're, you know, in bed with this Diddy for his clothing or his glasses or whatever he was doing, the liquor, and then. Then somebody's like, I'm going to. I have evidence, I have photos, I have this, I have that he was with, you know, underage people, blah, blah, blah, then they're gonna be like, what do we need to do to make you feel whole again?

Kempire (20:09)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (20:10)

So that we don't have to clear out all the Sean John glasses and sweatshirts from Macy's.

Kempire (20:16)

But you remember, even before he got arrested, all of those things were falling apart from him already. Macy's had already pulled Sean John. He was losing a lot and money.

Heather McDonald (20:26)

And were they because it just wasn't hip and cool anymore or was it because of the stuff?

Kempire (20:30)

Remember the Cassie video?

Heather McDonald (20:31)

Oh, because of. So, okay, I was thinking, prior to like two years ago, was this stuff still hot? I feel like the Sean John clothes and stuff were a little already.

Kempire (20:40)

I don't know if it was hot.

Heather McDonald (20:42)

Like, it was.

Kempire (20:42)

It was hot Macy's, but I don't know.

Heather McDonald (20:44)

I feel like the Ciroc was like.

Kempire (20:47)

On its way out.

Heather McDonald (20:48)

Like, yeah, like five, six years ago. Yeah.

Kempire (20:50)

Yeah. I mean, he was definitely. According to Forbes, he was already losing money. But he's lost a lot of money in the last year because of the Cassie lawsuit and the Cassie video.

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Kempire (24:11)

What's going on with Ray J now? He has a news channel. He has his own network. He's, he's, he's a journalist to now.

Heather McDonald (24:17)

Okay, well good. Maybe this is why he's. Maybe because of that he's trying to be like, I'm going to set up the truth. And now I do have all this knowledge and stuff and once, once it, he's probably not the one that wants to point the finger, but once it all gets cracked open and you know, I'm sure you have been like me where you get some juicy tidbit about somebody and you're like, oh God, I have so many thoughts about this, but I want to be the one who breaks this story because this is always me. This is a family and this is a housewife I like and then let somebody else break it open. Then once Daily Mail and they pick it up, then I can say, yeah, got that news a week and a half ago. But that's not what my show is. My show is not breaking news blind items. That's not me. So I think he's waiting for these people to be arrested or whatever, and then he can go, okay, come to me. Cause I was there, I know all this stuff. And now what I say will be proved to be.

Kempire (25:20)

He's sort of alluding in these recent, like literally in the last week, he's sort of alluding to what he knows. And he says that, you know, people are reaching out to him, you know, worried about what Diddy might say or do. He also said that recently. Cause as you know, he was almost jumped by the Combs boys, Right? But he says he's good with them. He's had a conversation with them. He's good with them.

Heather McDonald (25:40)

Okay, very interesting.

Kempire (25:41)

He's good with them right now.

Heather McDonald (25:42)

Now this is a crazy thing that came out from Daily Mail a couple days ago. Aerial photos show Diddy's 20 foot statue memor memorializing Kim Porter and her little quote, badonky Donk at his Los Angeles mansion as he languishes in jail. This is a real article. Okay. This is a huge statue of a woman's body, much like in the front of the USC Coliseum. There's a man and a woman's perfectly fit bodies that I think were erected for the 84 Olympics without heads. Okay, so it looks like that. Okay. And it says, Sean Diddy Combs mansion features this 20 foot chrome statuette said to be Kim Porter. And the statue, which highlights her little badonkey donk, was reportedly purchased by Diddy after a spiritual retreat three years before her death in 2018. And the mansion, which is valued at 62 million. I didn't realize it was worth that much. And now on the market for 61.5. Oh, they dropped at 500,000. What a steal. A period of empty and unused facilities, covered outdoor furniture. So, yeah, I mean, that's another thing. Like, if you have all the money in the world, even if you could get a deal on this house.

Kempire (27:01)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (27:01)

Do you want. It's almost like. Yeah, it's the same thing of like there was, you know, murders or whatever. Could you buy a house where there were murders? You always have to disclose if there's a murder. You don't have to disclose. You have to disclose if someone died. But unless it was a murder, you don't have to say what they died from.

Kempire (27:18)

Oh.

Heather McDonald (27:18)

Because there was a time in the early AIDS epidemic where then they, they were. People would say, oh, you know, this person, whatever, died of AIDS here. And then that was very prejudice. And would. Then someone would think, oh, what is there some, like, weird germs of course we know. So they said then they changed the laws, at least in California. Only if there was like a. Like a murder, like, police report murder type of a thing. You have to say it. But if someone just, like, died of some illness, hospice, whatever. Yeah, you know what? I don't know that you have to say even if someone died.

Kempire (27:51)

Okay, that's good to know.

Heather McDonald (27:53)

Because my mom.

Kempire (27:54)

I don't know why.

Heather McDonald (27:54)

Because before. Because before this law, my mom would. Was a realtor, was funny and was like, and I'm about to croak. Just throw me onto the sidewalk. I don't want it. I don't want you guys to have trouble selling this house. So I think there's different things, but clearly this is something, you know, 30 years from now, if this house is still around for, obviously people could figure it out. But, like, would it be something that would be like, oh, you know, that's the Diddy house. That's where. Cause I don't even know.

Kempire (28:21)

He's having a hard time selling it right now.

Heather McDonald (28:24)

Well, yeah, and it's also so. I mean, that's so expensive.

Kempire (28:26)

You don't have $62 million.

Heather McDonald (28:28)

Yeah. Really? Oh, wait. I want to tell you this one other story, which I also thought was so weird, because, you know, in choosing these stories to talk about, there isn't, like, that much happening when it's not, like, about P. Diddy. But this thing came from tmz, and I'm like, what the hell is this? Author of Obama Beach House Sex Claims Book Reveals who should play her in film. I had to read this, like, three times. What are you talking about? So, Coria Duanen, I'm probably saying your name wrong. Is an author of this book called Undercover Heartbreak, A memoir of trust and trauma. She hopes her book detailing an alleged secret encounter at Barack Obama's Hawaii home will be adapted into a film. In her memoir, she claims a Secret Service agent who was part of Obama security secretly brought her into the former president's residence and suggested they have sex in Michelle Obama's bathroom. So as you're scrolling, you see this, like, pretty black girl being interviewed, and you see, like, Obama sex his home and Michelle's bathroom. And you're like, what? Wait, you know, in all the years of Obama being out there, they never have said they. No mistress has come forward. No nothing. Michelle has been like, I wanted to kill him for 10 years. Whatever. Like, she's pretty honest about things. And I've always been like, I think if there was somebody. I just think we would know by now or whatever. So I was like, wait a minute. And then I'm like, wait, so this guy was just a Secret Service guy, met a girl. Obama wasn't even there.

Kempire (30:14)

No, but he's the name, right? He's the head, you know?

Heather McDonald (30:18)

But also, like, how. But of all the stories, there are probably so many girls. It's not the president, but there are probably so many girls where some guy worked for some powerful dude. Maybe he was his house manager. Maybe he was just his errand boy, and he could impress a girl while the guy is on tour and bring her up the stairs and bone her. But, like, this story and, like, making it sound like, oh, and then I fucked in Michelle's bathroom. This is the true story.

Kempire (30:47)

But she wrote a memoir. So what else is in this memoir that took you two seconds to read?

Heather McDonald (30:53)

Yeah. So I'm like, okay. So, you know, and listen, Secret Service have written books. They have done books where they say, this is the nicest president. This one, you know, was an asshole. This one ate weird food. It's like, even though they're not supposed to, like, it's kind of like they still, you know, they are Secret Service, but at the same time, like, there's gonna be some really stellar ones, and then there's gonna be some thirsty, shady ones that wants to impress a girl. Knows the code or whatever.

Kempire (31:23)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (31:24)

I just was like, dude, this is not gonna be a movie. I don't.

Kempire (31:29)

Exactly. Because that's the only part that's interesting.

Heather McDonald (31:33)

Yeah.

Kempire (31:33)

And it's not exactly. It's not even who picked it up to be.

Heather McDonald (31:37)

I mean, even though the house is gorgeous in Hawaii, whatever, and it's his house. It's like it's just another rich person's second home that someone from his staff boned a girl there to impress her.

Kempire (31:49)

God only knows what else Secret Service could tell us. I mean, come on. There's probably even juicier stories than that.

Heather McDonald (31:54)

Yeah.

Kempire (31:54)

And it doesn't even involve Obama. It's his home.

Heather McDonald (31:57)

Yeah, it's funny. Okay, let's talk about the premiere last night of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. This has always been my favorite franchise. We, some of. Some of us have felt very slighted by Bravo, in particular, that we will probably never see the Ultimate Girls Trip Morocco. And recently, I did a live show with Brandi Howard. Brandy, not Brandi Kleinville, Brandi Howard. And she goes, I think that we should file a class action lawsuit against Bravo because we want to see that show. Like, we want to see. There's Certain things where you're like, come on. So this premiered end. It is not disappointing. It is.

Kempire (32:41)

It's saving Tuesday nights because Rony is such trash.

Heather McDonald (32:45)

Yeah.

Kempire (32:45)

Beverly Hills is saving Tuesday nights.

Heather McDonald (32:48)

And so the way it was on last night on Bravo is this came then Rony, lucky for them. And then watch problems live. So they're trying to get people to, like, you know, stay for the. Roni.

Kempire (32:58)

Yeah, no, I'm not even.

Heather McDonald (33:00)

I'm not even really covering it because there's just. There's nothing to cover and nobody's really watching it. And it's just, you know, and Dubai is gone.

Kempire (33:10)

Canceled. Oh, put on pause.

Heather McDonald (33:12)

That's Bravo by. Yeah, the. Put on pause is a nice way. It's. It's basically a guy breaking up with you. Just saying, I just need a break. We're just taking a break.

Kempire (33:25)

Taking a little break.

Heather McDonald (33:26)

Okay. So it starts out really pretty juicy because we get Dorit's.

Kempire (33:32)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (33:32)

Telling Erika Jayne and Erika Jayne, really, I'm so glad she, like, didn't give up on life two years ago, because it. It was everything. I mean, there are certain people in this world that you really should look to and go, you know, you gotta stick. You gotta stick through it. Cause now she's like, now she's never had a better personality. She's humbled, she's likable, she's funny.

Kempire (34:00)

Yeah. I mean, she was always that. She was just unlikable during that dark period.

Heather McDonald (34:06)

No. I think she came in not understanding what this really was and still being very reserved because she was still under this man's thumb, even though he let her go dance and be with her gays while he had affairs. And she was like, you fuck him. I don't need to. Like, now we kind of know. But she was still, like, committed to this, thinking, I'll never be able to divorce him because I won't be able to walk away from anything because he's Tom Girardi. And so I think then. So now we get to see her just, like, you know, like, rebuilding and having fun and looking great. Yeah. And interesting that she tells Erica that, because it was Erica who, in a moment on BravoCon was like, who's the next to get divorced? And she was just like, dorit, you know, which again, also, like, it is, you know, in talking about these shows and stuff, it is. We've all made careers out of it. To say, like, who's going to be the next that's going to be divorced is kind of easy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it is Got to mean. But I mean, it's not surprising that their marriage wouldn't last because, I mean.

Kempire (35:15)

There have been rumors around Dorit and PK for years. I honestly believe that they've just decided this season they're going to talk about it and make it their storyline. I think it's always been there. People have. There have been concrete, solid information that these two have lived separate lives.

Heather McDonald (35:29)

Well, tell us some of that information.

Kempire (35:31)

Well, yeah, for years, though, they've been saying they've been living separate lives, that they're on the brink of divorce. And we know that happens in Hollywood. That's sometimes a rumor. That's always out there. They've said that about Kyle and Mauricio, but Dorit's stories have. Her real stories have never really been shared on Beverly Hills. And this is probably the first time that they. And I thought this with Kyle and Mauricio, too. I felt like, oh, no, this is the first time that they actually want to make it their storyline and they're going to run with it. And I saw her and watched what happens live this week, and I was like, oh, yeah, they haven't told the kids, according to her, which is not unusual. But I was like, I wouldn't be surprised if we see these two come back together again. And I'm actually kind of concerned because, remember, Roni, before they did the reboot, all of the housewives were single. And now on Beverly Hills, we have everyone being single.

Heather McDonald (36:21)

Yeah. It is what it is. But these characters are still, like, worth it and good. I'm gonna say they are not going to get back together. And I think that she can wrangle a better, younger, richer dude. And I think that she should. I think every woman in Dorit's situation should look to their leader, Lauren Sanchez, and realize that Lauren did it right. You do not look to the path of Teddy, who goes for, you know, the horse trainer that matches the look of her animal. You do not. Who's married to a woman. You know that, right? In your circle where your kid rides. No, that is not. If you're going to step out, if you're going to venture for anything. And I think she has been totally faithful. But now that the band aid is ripped off, now that people know that whether you're working on her something, it. You know, if this has come out and we knew Teddy and Edwin were separated and she had shared that on her podcast, whatever, still, it would be bad. But now that it's like we're separated now, I think she can kind of put herself on the market a little bit. And, you know, she is gorgeous. She is, you know, stylish. And she was married to someone, you know, in and out of bankruptcy, but still a guy who knows how to be rich. The house in Encino is now in pre foreclosure, meaning they've missed four payments and a house that is, you know, whatever has is $7 million. Okay, so let's say the mortgage payment is 25,000amonth and give or take 10. So you are just. That is someone who is very, in my opinion, sophisticated at playing the bankruptcy game. And knowing that he's getting divorced, everything, he's just not going to pay. And he knows he has his choice. I'm saying this is my opinion, hearing it, maybe they'll pay tomorrow. But I'm saying if you're in this position, it takes a very long time to then actually get the foreclosure and actually make those people move out. So in the past, when people have been in this position, they're like, whatever. My, you know, my credit's already screwed. Whatever. I'm just going to stay here for as long as I can.

Kempire (38:46)

Ask Kim Zolciak.

Heather McDonald (38:48)

Rent free. Yeah, rent free, basically until I have to leave. And so that looks very bad because it's like we see you with your, you know, $25,000 outfits that are trendy and still probably not even, you know, they're not fake. They're not being borrowed. Everyone says no. She actually buys them at the store. So while you're doing that and someone else is at home is like, I can't even buy a new dress for Christmas. I, you know, I need to get my things to, you know, not doing that. And then you. And they're paying their mortgage and they're going to the bank and being like, what do I need to do? Could I. Could I do a different payment plan? What? You know, and they're just blowing it. I mean, according to what the news is, they're just blowing it off.

Kempire (39:34)

I mean, she sort of kind of confirmed it in the first episode. The things that they haven't talked about on the show, the bankruptcies, the suspected dui. There are things that they haven't talked about on the show that she, in one instance, was sort of like, confirmed it. And I was like, oh, okay, all right. This is a new dorit.

Heather McDonald (39:50)

Yeah. And then, you know, he. Last year or whatever, it was like he was gone the entire time in London. And it's weird. He has some show about real estate, but he's not a real estate guy. So it's just. It's like a selling sunset, but in London. But he's. But it's just every. Every listing is just of like, what, the Culture Club guy?

Kempire (40:10)

Oh, boy. Boy George.

Heather McDonald (40:12)

Yeah.

Kempire (40:13)

Boy George.

Heather McDonald (40:16)

Boy George. It took me a second to think icon. Boy George. Yeah. Has to show up at every scene. You know, his one client. I don't know, but I'm, you know. And then also, what did you think of the smoking? People are freaking out that she.

Kempire (40:28)

I don't understand why everyone is freaking out by that. Because they haven't seen her do it before.

Heather McDonald (40:32)

I remember. So I'm not a smoker. And it seemed, you know, and for a very long time you could not smoke. Like, since I was like 23, they've like passed a law you can't smoke in LA restaurants. So you really don't see people smoking. Then everybody got the vapes. But I said, and whoever is a juicy scooper that could find this, I predicted on this show, I don't know when, but I said real cigarettes are going to be making a comeback. That's going to be like the ultimate. I can afford a real cigarette.

Kempire (41:04)

Okay.

Heather McDonald (41:05)

You know, because I'm.

Kempire (41:06)

And Dorit's the starter of this.

Heather McDonald (41:08)

Yes. That's the ultimate sign of wealth now, because if you think about it, I'm guessing cigarettes are a lot more expensive than a vape because you have the piece, right. So you're just filling the. Whatever it is.

Kempire (41:20)

I don't know the price point for those.

Heather McDonald (41:22)

I don't know. But I'm telling you, that's going to be the flex. Like, I can smoke and I don't care about the end of my life because I'm going to look fabulous and stay thin and just smoke. Good luck. I remember when Caitlyn Jenner came out as Caitlyn Jenner and people were like, you know, talking about, did you hear the news? Did you hear the news? And I remember thinking, did they find out that Caitlin smokes? Because when Caitlin was Bruce, I remember I saw Bruce after painting Dash because I was like doing a real estate deal with Courtney and he was painting the whole place for them. And then he came out and he lit a cigarette. And I remember I was so shocked because he's this, you know, Olympian, the greatest Olympian of our time. And I was like, what? And then sometimes, you know, you'd see it in the show. Chris Wood was that woman that had. That was her treat, a cigarette with a glass of Winer Martini, whatever. So I always was like, oh, there are these like real elites that love cigarettes, you know? So, like, I am not. So then I was like, did they find out that, you know, Bruce smokes cigarette? They're like, no, Bruce is a woman. I was like, oh, okay. I thought it was a cigarette thing. Wow. Yeah. Who cares about that? I'm like, this is more shocking that this Olympian enjoys a cigarette. So I think it's really funny that they are like, people are just sort of shocked by.

Kempire (42:46)

They're all memes with it now. I'm like, oh, is. Am I missing something? So I'm not missing something. Okay.

Heather McDonald (42:50)

No, it is. I think it's a big ordeal in California and like, and how it was just very, like a very out shamed thing for so long that it was always people kind of doing it secretly or, you know, I don't want people to see that I'm smoking, like, but they just love the taste and the experience of a cigarette.

Kempire (43:08)

I think it's also symbolic of the season that Dorit's going to have.

Heather McDonald (43:11)

Yeah.

Kempire (43:12)

She's just like, I don't give up. You know what?

Heather McDonald (43:15)

Right. Yeah.

Kempire (43:16)

I think that was sort of like the symbolism, like, this is how I'm coming in this season, guys.

Heather McDonald (43:20)

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Kempire (47:15)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (47:16)

Bose, who is highly successful in her own right, but as like CEO and executive. All these things from Netflix to different places. She is a widow.

Kempire (47:27)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (47:28)

And also she's retired. So it's kind of interesting that she just was like, I want to know her story, because why she would be like, fuck it, I'm going to go on the show and, like, have fun. And now I'm going to be in front of the camera and I'm going to live my second chapter in life. Like, I've worked my ass off as, like, hardcore executive and now I can just. It's kind of amazing. I love it.

Kempire (47:52)

I definitely want to know more about her story. She is the chief marketing officer for Netflix and then she had that same position at Uber. Like, she's had a very storied past. And then within two seconds, a two minute conversation with Dorit. We learned a lot about her, especially she was married for 10 years and she had trouble with her husband and her husband got sick and that brought them back together. So I'm really interested to know more about her. But the fact that she was a chief marketing officer, I'm kind of like, okay, let me just see how she navigates reality television. Because with that type of career and experience, I would think that you are a little bit. Probably a little bit more calculated on how your image is put out there to the world. So I'm sort of like, I got my eye on her.

Heather McDonald (48:34)

Well, first season, nobody's gonna fuck with her.

Kempire (48:37)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (48:38)

And she is just going to come looking like, in her gorgeous outfits with her, you know, perfect, unique hairstyles I like. I mean, she's fun to watch. So because we have the party where.

Kempire (48:49)

Everyone'S wearing the surreal party, the surrealism party.

Heather McDonald (48:53)

I still don't really get it. Can you. Am I the dumb person that doesn't understand?

Kempire (48:58)

No. A lot of. A lot of the housewives didn't get it either. So it was like, why.

Heather McDonald (49:02)

Why do they have the horns, the trees out of their head?

Kempire (49:06)

You want me to explain this?

Heather McDonald (49:07)

I kind of do want. Like, here it is.

Kempire (49:10)

Like, clearly Dorit didn't get it because that is not the surrealism era or age. Kyle definitely got it. That's just.

Heather McDonald (49:21)

Is it like fantasy? Like horses and flowers? What is that?

Kempire (49:24)

It was an era, so it's sort of. It's sort of of that time. So that's what Sutton was giving. That was what Baz was giving. That was what she was. Dorit was Giving a little more Lady Gaga. It was a little too modern.

Heather McDonald (49:40)

Do you think? So then they have it out with their friendship and the whole thing. And there are a lot of rumors and things that people think. Why they're no longer friends.

Kempire (49:50)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (49:51)

What do you think of the rumor that maybe Dorit and Mauricio might have had something going on?

Kempire (49:56)

She was asked about that on Watch what Happens Live, and she's like. Her response was interesting because she denied it. She's like, oh, that was so ridiculous. But it was just weird, even the way she responded to it. I was like, wait a minute.

Heather McDonald (50:07)

If it was totally not true.

Kempire (50:09)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (50:10)

There's been some things that have been said about me that are totally not true.

Kempire (50:13)

Like what? Just an example. I'd like to know.

Heather McDonald (50:18)

Oh, that, like, I stole earrings for $10,000.

Kempire (50:20)

I forgot about that.

Heather McDonald (50:21)

That I stole earrings worth $10,000 and blew off the friendship of three years because I didn't want to pay back the earrings. And I'm a felon. So, yeah. When those things came, when anybody seems to think like, oh, but, you know, whatever. You still didn't return the one that was left once it was discovered the earrings were $42. And all this other stuff. I will tell the. I will be on my deathbed saying, never was. I told they were real because they weren't real. And this was a smear campaign. And so. And so much betrayal. Like, I will be saying it, like, in passion.

Kempire (50:57)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (50:58)

And it's always kind of the same feeling I get, like, why? I think it's hard when someone is on trial for, like, a murder, and they. They're saying they're innocent, but their attorney is like, we don't want you to take the stand. And then the jury's like, well, they just sat there for three weeks, you know, with nothing on their face. And I'm like, so. Yeah, the thing that. The fact that she's like, oh, please. You know, maybe if she feels. If she was extra impassioned. I don't know. I think if someone. I've never cheated on my husband. And if that. If I was on a show and someone was like, but you did. You know, what was. What about that. When I'd be like, oh, my God, no, I don't know why I kissed his shoulder. At the time, I thought it was pks. I don't even know. I was in a daze. I was. Didn't have any sleep. Less than 12 hours ago, you know, there was a gun to my head, and I thought I was going to Die. So, like, no, I'm not going to explain myself, but, no, I never have made out with Mauricio. I never touched him. I've never given him hand job. Like, leave me alone. Like, that's what I would be like. But Dorit's not you exactly. So she might have just been like, please. But there were. There are moments kept on touched on camera, which of course, they would throw us because they know that that's what we want, that. That we're a little suspect. But still no proof.

Kempire (52:07)

Yeah, there's no proof. And look, do I believe it? Not really. Because I do believe that these couples, as friends, hung out with each other, and Mauricio and PK are very close, which I'm not saying is impossible. We know all kinds of scandals that happen. But I don't know if I necessarily believe the story. I think it's fun for the audience to be like, I think it's true. It's very much like with the Diddy stuff. You believe it. I could easily tell you, well, I have proof that Mauricio and Dorit had an affair.

Heather McDonald (52:33)

Yeah. And I also think the thing that's happening with these shows is that because so many of them really do treat it like a job, and they like their co worker, but they're not hanging out with a coworker when they're not there. And then. So they put them on the back burner till they have to film with them.

Kempire (52:52)

Literally, the first scene that we see with Erica and Dorit, it's sort of like, oh, my God, it's been so long. It's like, yeah, because don't even pretend.

Heather McDonald (52:59)

Yeah. Because, yeah, we're not real friends, so we don't need to see each other. We don't need to hang out if we're not getting paid to.

Kempire (53:05)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (53:05)

And that is very different from the early years of, you know, these shows.

Kempire (53:09)

Really knew each other.

Heather McDonald (53:10)

Right. And then I also think, like, yeah, I just. That. That I think, you know, and also so many things in the franchise which we'll get into is, you know, but you said this on an Amazon line on watch your homes live at BravoCon on someone's podcast in an article. And then that's what we're talking about when we get together after three months, which is also like, we're not seeing stuff happen in the moment. Like, you know, we're having conversation at dinner. And, you know, I like it when housewives will be like, well, excuse me, like, you're just gonna let her talk to me like that. I thought you're supposed to be my best friend. Like, what the hell? And then the best friend would go, yeah, but you have done this in the past, so it's. That's like a real moment that we want to see. Not set up press moments.

Kempire (54:01)

You have to remember. Kyle has been on this show now 14 seasons. She's very pre produced. I saw the trailer for Beverly Hills and I said, not another trailer with Kyle running through it crying. I was like, I can't with Kyle. I was glad that it wasn't a lot of Kyle in the premiere episode and Kyle reaching for like, oh, this is the reason I'm mad at you is because of what you did at BravoCon. And they play what she did at BravoCon. And I was like, kyle, you are reaching.

Heather McDonald (54:27)

Oh, right. Which was the joke of like, who's your favorite? Yes, sister. And she just said, well. Or who's your least favorite? And she's like, well, Kyle. Haha. Yeah. Because she doesn't want to say Kathy and she doesn't want to shit on Kim, who's like, you know, always like, you know, about to have a nervous breakdown. So, like. Yeah, so it was just a funny, stupid thing.

Kempire (54:46)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (54:46)

But yeah, I think. Yeah, this is just this.

Kempire (54:51)

But it was a good premiere. It was a good premiere.

Heather McDonald (54:53)

I have to say now, when she speaks to Garcelle, Kyle, and she's like, I can trust you. And I'm like, no, you can't. And then Garcelle's sitting there and she's like, I don't even want to say her name, meaning Morgan Wade, because she doesn't want now to be discussed. Oh, now that you've become famous, you knew what you were doing when you agreed to be on the show. You didn't just fall off, you know, the turnip truck, you know, the coconut. You didn't. You didn't just. You, like, you knew what you were doing. And then she's like, yeah, but then you did a. A video, like, making fun of that of you guys being a lesbian couple and still like, we don't know. But this has been hard. And I have to think about it. I'm like, oh, so stop milking it out. She is. So what is your opinion? Cause I've shared my opinion.

Kempire (55:36)

I love the fact that Garcelle held her accountable in that moment because she spoke for the audience. Because you're literally saying, oh, now you don't want to mention Morgan's name. So I'm gonna mention it so much this season. Yeah, Morgan. Morgan Morgan. Morgan.

Heather McDonald (55:51)

She's a public figure. She's been on the show. She was in.

Kempire (55:53)

She benefited from the show.

Heather McDonald (55:55)

Benefited from this. Yeah.

Kempire (55:57)

And you did a whole music video alluding to a lesbianic relationship.

Heather McDonald (56:01)

Yeah.

Kempire (56:01)

So now you don't want to mention her name? Now you don't want to mention. Now has she come out?

Heather McDonald (56:07)

No, but I think Morgan. I think Morgan. Whatever. This is what I think, in case you didn't know. I think that, yes, there was something romantic and stuff in the beginning.

Kempire (56:18)

She got turned out by now.

Heather McDonald (56:19)

Yeah. Now they're just friends, but Morgan, like, still really cares for her. But Morgan is also like, I'm a real musician, and I don't want to be wrapped up in this broad. I'm gonna make you love me. I'm just guessing what Morgan is thinking. I'm a real musician. I want to make it in this real world. I don't want to be known as the housewife, lesbian, side piece musician. I want to be known as, like, hey, you know, a real one. And so don't. Like, we can still hang out, Kyle, But I'm not going to show up on the show. And, like, I'd really appreciate if you don't talk about me. And maybe they still, like, hook up, but I don't think they're, like, real. Like a real couple.

Kempire (56:59)

You think they hook up? I think we talked about this the last time I was. I know.

Heather McDonald (57:03)

I don't know if they do or they don't, but I'm, like, so sick of hearing about it. And maybe she doesn't know. Maybe she does.

Kempire (57:08)

Maybe.

Heather McDonald (57:08)

I mean, she's probably being honest where she's probably like, yeah, I really enjoyed her, but I don't know if it's just her or if I'm really gay, which is, you know, totally understandable. And. But it's just to the people at home, we feel like, you know. Get to the point. Answer the question. What is the point?

Kempire (57:26)

Look, what is the point? I'm interested to figure out. I think she's having her L word moment.

Heather McDonald (57:32)

Yeah, okay.

Kempire (57:33)

She's having her moment where she's figuring it out. She may have gotten turned out by Morgan, but I think she will eventually go back to men.

Heather McDonald (57:40)

So I don't think it's the first time she was with a girl.

Kempire (57:42)

Oh, no. I think she grew up here in Hollywood.

Heather McDonald (57:44)

I think that she and Mauricio, you know, had fun, and I think maybe even had like a third or whatever.

Kempire (57:52)

Oh.

Heather McDonald (57:52)

And then was. She was real open. And that's why she was real maybe okay with his, you know, whatever, stepping out here and there. He was fine because otherwise he was such a great husband and they got along that she was fine with it. And then when she got sober and everything else, she just was like, oh, my God, what have I been like? Once the alcohol was gone from her life, I think that she had real clarity about what is a turn off to her, what she doesn't want anymore. And then I'm gonna explore this thing. And it was really fun and I really liked it.

Kempire (58:24)

Yeah. Well, the difference here though is that she had a relationship with Morgan. A one night stand with someone is different. So her actually having emotional feelings for another woman, that would be interesting. And I think I have a prediction. I think she was also on a rebound because of the Mauricio stuff.

Heather McDonald (58:43)

I have a prediction she's gonna have a guy next season. Of course she's gonna be a guy.

Kempire (58:47)

Of course. And that's probably why Morgan's like, I don't wanna be on the show. I don't wanna be with you. We could be friends.

Heather McDonald (58:52)

Yeah.

Kempire (58:52)

Morgan lesbians, you can account for this. They had this moment where they've been with a heterosexual woman and they break their heart.

Heather McDonald (59:01)

Yeah.

Kempire (59:01)

So Morgan probably like, I don't want to be in that position anymore. Or maybe I've been in that position and I don't want want that anymore.

Heather McDonald (59:08)

Yeah.

Kempire (59:08)

But I think this is just her.

Heather McDonald (59:10)

But. And also I think Morgan wants to.

Kempire (59:12)

Like, break away from this, from the Bravo universe.

Heather McDonald (59:15)

Probably like all, like, all of a sudden, Morgan's like, doing shows. She looks out. It's just like a sea of, like my audience. She's like, where's my country lesbians at? This is not what I'm like. Need to put a girl like Morgan wearing Bravo con shirts with her air bag. She's like, no, this isn't my vibe.

Kempire (59:37)

I don't blame her. Especially if you're a musician and you want it to be taken seriously as a musician. And maybe it was someone's. I've speculated that it was some publicist idea. You guys should come together. This would be great for your career. Morgan.

Heather McDonald (59:50)

So I feel like as a comedian who then, you know, built my podcast on talking about juicy stuff and housewives being a big part of it. I feel like I don't have the respect of comedians.

Kempire (60:03)

Really?

Heather McDonald (60:03)

Yes. I feel like. I feel like they see me as, oh, that's the girl that only talks about housewives. Oh, she's just like a Bravo person or whatever. When I'M like, I was a standup first. I am a standup. If you see my standup, it's not about housewives. It's legit.

Kempire (60:18)

I knew you before, Juicy.

Heather McDonald (60:19)

Yeah, it's a. Yeah, it's a legit standup life. In just creating my podcast, I just was like, oh, I like imitating these girls and I'm interested in it. I love it. I'm not going to not do it because it does really interest me. But, yeah, I feel like. So I kind of can relate to why Morgan's. Or even when Matt Rife, who's a comedian, was like, he was so good looking. And he basically said, I know I have a big female audience, but I also have a lot of guys who think I'm funny or whatever he said. And then they wrote articles of like, you're shitting on your female audience. It wasn't that. It's just like. I don't know, it's like, it's.

Kempire (60:58)

We want to be known as something, but everyone knows us for something different, Right?

Heather McDonald (61:02)

Yeah.

Kempire (61:03)

Some people know me for Diddy's story. Some people know me. Oh, that's the Housewives guy.

Heather McDonald (61:06)

Right?

Kempire (61:07)

At the end of the day, it's what we say to ourselves. We can't care about. Yes. Our peers do. We want them to respect us. Yes. But at the end of the day, they're not paying your bills.

Heather McDonald (61:16)

Right.

Kempire (61:16)

Okay.

Heather McDonald (61:17)

Or even sometimes when I ask someone to come on the show and they're like, but I don't follow Housewives, and I'm like, no, that's not what the show's gonna be. I wanted to get your whole life story. Like, we're gonna talk about this, this, and this. So sometimes now when I. If I write something, I have to say, like, the show is not just about housewives. It's also not just standup. Like, I find this. Or just comedy. Like, I find you interesting. And. And then other times I'm like, oh, who cares? And don't. Come on. I don't.

Kempire (61:39)

But I'm glad you mentioned that because I think there are a lot of people that will watch this and relate to it, especially other people that do what we do.

Heather McDonald (61:46)

Yeah.

Kempire (61:46)

And feel. Oh, yeah, I don't want. I feel the same way, Heather. I don't want to be known as one particular thing.

Heather McDonald (61:52)

Right.

Kempire (61:53)

At the end of the day, it only matters what you say about yourself.

Heather McDonald (61:55)

Right.

Kempire (61:56)

Who cares about the rest of the world?

Heather McDonald (61:57)

And so Real Housewives of Salt Lake City.

Kempire (62:00)

Oof.

Heather McDonald (62:01)

I'm super fascinated by the bronwyn situation. Oh, that's an ugly outfit and horrible eye makeup. I will never. I mean, that is a clown outfit.

Kempire (62:11)

O. And that's a hard 30 year old.

Heather McDonald (62:13)

I will never understand why people do that. One draw line like that trend. That Julia Fox trend is an awful trend.

Kempire (62:21)

Is she still around?

Heather McDonald (62:23)

Not really.

Kempire (62:24)

Good.

Heather McDonald (62:25)

But that took a minute.

Kempire (62:27)

She took that two days with Kanye and she ran with it. I was so tired.

Heather McDonald (62:31)

Yeah. And then came back again. I was used. Da, da, da, da. But we never slept together. We never did that. I'm like, oh, God, it's fine. But Bronwyn. But Bronwyn is. There's some cool things about her. But the thing that fascinates me is her marriage to this guy Todd. Very reminiscent of Erika Jayne and Tom Girardi, when she was like, there's a scene. He's talking to Lisa Vanderpump. And Lisa Vanderpump's, you know, very interested in hearing what he has to say. And he says something, and then she just sort of, like, adds to it. But to certain men, it's like, they see that as like, you're interrupting. And he's like, erica. And, you know, it's like all that kind of thing. And so it feels like so daughter daddy, like, so daughter daddy, where it's like the tension that she feels. I mean, I know when they met this couple, when they saw the dynamic, those producers were, like, peeing in their pants with excitement. And I really think what happened was she, you know, wanted to do it. He wants to give her what she wants, whether it's a $4 million necklace, which I'm really curious, did she really keep that $4 million necklace or, you know, anything like that, and. Or this. I want to be on this housewife show. And she probably convinced him this will be great. He probably didn't do all the research he should have done. He should have spent a weekend watching any research, probably, like, okay. And then he's like, just as long as you don't fight like that. I don't want that. And then when she has this scene where she then has to fight because that's a show, and you see her, and he's like, in all our years together, you've never behaved like that. And to be honest. Yeah. And to be honest, it's just very unbecoming, which is just, like, such a humiliating word. Like, that was very unbecoming of you as a lady. Like, you just look like trash. And then she's like, todd, I just. Well, this is the way These women speak and I have to match that. Like, she's basically saying, if I don't bring it and act like a screaming asshole, then what was the point of me being on the show anyway?

Kempire (64:42)

He didn't know that.

Heather McDonald (64:43)

Yeah. And I'm like, well, the whole point is you want to be famous, which is fine. You, you know, you're like, let's see what will happen with this. But also in every housewives back of their mind, it's like, well, if it doesn't work out, I can do something other than work at Nordstrom.

Kempire (65:01)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (65:01)

I can have a glamorous life. I can be elevated. I can be part of this elite group of people, you know, and you know.

Kempire (65:10)

Well, we need to let Bronwyn know that that's not true. She doesn't, she doesn't have to work at Nordstrom's. But if you think you're going to spin this into a money making career.

Heather McDonald (65:20)

That ship has sailed.

Kempire (65:21)

Yes. Yes.

Heather McDonald (65:22)

The ship has sailed in this franchise. Yeah.

Kempire (65:24)

It's not going to happen. That's why I honestly believe the Todd father is not going to allow her to come back next season.

Heather McDonald (65:31)

Yeah. It's either that or she. Or it'll come to heads and they will break up because she'll say, no, I'm not giving this up. Remember that? My favorite, one of my favorite scenes is in the made for TV movie about Sarah Palin when she was running for vice president and Julianne Moore played her and she goes out and she gets all the love from the, you know, and then she's like, comes back and she goes, we gotta win this thing. There's no way I'm going back to Alaska. And it was just like, it was so like, I feel like the minute they get a little taste of this, even though some hard, even though it's hard, they're seeing mean things and they're cast. It's a taste of like where they're like, well, I'm not giving this up just so I can shop and cater to Todd. I've already done that for 18 years though.

Kempire (66:19)

10.

Heather McDonald (66:20)

Oh, they only been together 10. Okay, 10. And. But oh my God, that in the moment also when she talks about her daughter meeting the grandparents and you know, he again doesn't want that being talked about because he is like, I've paid for your daughter, not these grandparents that she hasn't seen. And so then he was like, that's enough, we're done. And then she's just like, oh. And then she's always like, oh, hey, cutie. And he's like. Like. I was like, he's not.

Kempire (66:50)

It's very crotchety, very old, very rich.

Heather McDonald (66:54)

And he's just like, yeah, we did. We agreed this wasn't gonna be. This what it was gonna be. Well, she can't control that.

Kempire (67:01)

No, I think he. He went on that trip thinking that it was going to be one of their regular trips, not realizing that they were producing reality television.

Heather McDonald (67:08)

Right.

Kempire (67:09)

And Lisa knows what she's supposed to do. She's. They're. They're all. Especially on Salt Lake City, are caricatures of themselves.

Heather McDonald (67:16)

Right.

Kempire (67:16)

So Lisa knows that this is what we do. But when Lisa was told, we're gonna send you home by the Todd father, you notice how Lisa was completely different. She was like, hey, Bronwyn. I have love for Bronwyn.

Heather McDonald (67:29)

Yeah. And I also think that especially on Salt Lake. Cause I talked to a waiter who was at one of these table scenes last year, so. And. And you know, they do redo stuff. They do have them come in, allegedly, and be like, you need to re. Ask that question. It's more than other shows. And so I feel like when. When they're at that table, bringing up. You said this on a podcast. That's our beef. Well, you said this on this podcast. That's our beef. That's our beef. That's our beef. We get. Those are the scenes that are filmed. And then it's almost like, we did our work. Now we can have some drinks and play pool and jump in the Jacuzzi. And, like, so then you see them kind of having fun because they're like, oh, we clocked out. Like, even though the camera's still on us, essentially, we've clocked out.

Kempire (68:18)

Those are the real moments.

Heather McDonald (68:19)

Yeah. And I think the audience is just starting to see, like, really, this is, you know, this is it. But I find Salt Lake very entertaining. Like, at least I'm entertained by them. I'm entertained by OC And I'm entertained by Beverly Hills. So this is like a golden time for me to, like, enjoy what's on TV right now.

Kempire (68:40)

Yeah. OC Is bringing it. This was, like, their best season. I'm not a huge OC Fan, but I've been watching it for the last three seasons, and it's like, this season was so good from begin. And it's not because I'm in it beginning from the first episode to the reunion.

Heather McDonald (68:57)

You're in it from.

Kempire (68:57)

You hear my voice.

Heather McDonald (68:59)

Oh, what do you say?

Kempire (69:00)

What did I say? Something about Shannon Bejore's. Dui.

Heather McDonald (69:02)

Oh, driving you to a house. I thought that was you.

Kempire (69:04)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (69:05)

Cause I was like, who is that? How do I know that voice? Okay. Yeah.

Kempire (69:08)

So it's not because of that. It's because it's really been a good season. I'm loving Jennifer. I like Katy, and I like that Katy and Jennifer have a good relationship.

Heather McDonald (69:17)

Yeah.

Kempire (69:17)

But what I don't like is that we've seen a pattern of lies with Katie, and I'm just like, ooh, Katie. Like, I'm rooting for you. But there's something there with Katie that.

Heather McDonald (69:26)

I think with Katie, this new girl, I think there's something very dark that happened in her previous marriage that for, you know, she didn't share it with producers and she didn't want to share it. Maybe it's a legal reason or whatever. And I think if she comes back, she will be a little more forthcoming with it, and she should, because that is what will make the audience now, like, trust her and like her.

Kempire (69:49)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (69:49)

But again, she has minor kids with this ex, and if she doesn't want to share it ever.

Kempire (69:54)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (69:55)

Then she also doesn't have to. But then she also has to risk people being like, well, why was this untrue and this untrue? And it's like, well, maybe I was covering up something, you know, that I. And, yeah, I think they should all come back.

Kempire (70:08)

It's a good season. A good. A good season, good cast. Tamara. Oh, God. She's very quiet during this reunion. She's very quiet.

Heather McDonald (70:17)

She. I just saw a clip because she was at. I just hosted the American.

Kempire (70:21)

Oh, congratulations.

Heather McDonald (70:22)

Reality TV awards.

Kempire (70:23)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (70:23)

And I. She was there and she presented, and she was on the red carpet. And she said this before that in filming it, you know, she wasn't worried. She. She thought. She wasn't worried that the audience wouldn't be on her side at all. And now in watching it back, like, she somewhat can understand it, but, yeah, the way it is, you know, it can be. We saw what we saw, so edited or not, we saw it, and I think the audience just really felt like. We know she had a bad night. We know Shannon Mador had a bad night. It was the worst night of her life. She got a dui, got an accident. So if there is anything of her behaving poorly right before that, the supposed video, we believe you. We don't need to see it. We believe it was bad. You know, we've seen her on the show waving her hands around and everything. So, like, of course, on her Worst night when she's, like, somewhat broken up with her boyfriend and wasted. Of course she's going to go to his house and probably make a scene and be. Make an ass of herself. Like. And I think with him, he was kind of saying, johnny J. Johnny J. I think he was. I think this is where it got screwed up, is that. I think he was like, oh, my God, you know, all these things. I have this awful reputation. She has said these things not on camera, but to the other cast members who then relay it on camera. He doesn't pay for things. He says mean things to her, whatever.

Kempire (71:50)

I believe it all.

Heather McDonald (71:51)

And his side is. He doesn't believe. He says no. Right. So then when this whole thing goes down and another part comes out where it's like, oh, I think that he heard my accent and didn't even bother to come down, which was then set on a podcast, which is. I think then he was like, oh, my God. You know, I have videotapes of her acting horribly. I don't think he ever was like, I'm going to show them to people. I think he was just like, I have them. And then. And then Alexis then says it on camera. Like, I'm sick of all everyone thinking we're awful. Like, we have, but. And I think it was almost like we have the videotapes. He has videotapes, but he won't. Like, he's not going to share them, but he has them. But the way it got to the audience, it felt like a blackmail thing. Extortion, I think. Almost like he. He put it out there, or she put it out there to, like, pat them on the back to say, but we're not sharing them. Aren't we great that we're not sharing them?

Kempire (72:47)

Well, they recently settled their lawsuit finally, so I'm assuming he probably signed that NDA that she wanted.

Heather McDonald (72:53)

So now she. Shannon said, I will not film with Alexis no matter what.

Kempire (72:59)

Yeah. I don't think Alexis is coming back.

Heather McDonald (73:01)

And I think. And it feels like Emily is really fighting for her not to come back. If you see the preview of tonight's thing and really going hardcore, she's like, you know what? You know what, Jen? You. This thing over here, every trash can has a lid. And you need to know as an attorney that you need to pay your bills. And you. Why is it that it's okay that you be friends with her? And then Jen's like, well, then why are you friends with Tamara? Like, was awful, too. And it's like, I understand. It's not Mean girl behavior. Even Shane knows I'm not a mean girl. And can I have espresso martini? Like it's just like, she's just like.

Kempire (73:44)

Oh, she's doing a lot.

Heather McDonald (73:45)

She's like screaming through the whole thing. And I'm like, I think that, I think that they would like Alexis and John to come back. And I think the only way they'll come back is if they stronghold Shannon and say, are you really going to give up this million dollars or whatever we're offering you. But then I also hear a lot of their salaries may go down regardless of their performance, just because the whole.

Kempire (74:14)

You know, the ratings are down.

Heather McDonald (74:15)

Yeah, but I think for them, maybe not. But you know, but Shannon is the star of the show. And she's not just because of her tragic life, but she is, she has all the things. She has a tragic life. She has an ex husband and an ex boyfriend. She has, she's funny and she shows up. She's pretty, she shows up, she's authentic. And you know, and when she, I.

Kempire (74:45)

Mean she'll show up and then she'll walk away.

Heather McDonald (74:47)

And she's vulnerable. Yeah, and she's vulnerable. So it's like, so whatever happens with her, you know, even if she had a super happy season next season and you know, it's still gonna be entertaining to see her, you know, be like, Tamara. Tamara was my friend and clearly this is not a friend. And at certain points I need to have boundaries and we'll still love it. So like the only thing is, can they, can they make her think that she wouldn't be asked back if she doesn't play nice? That's the thing. I think it's going to be really interesting.

Kempire (75:19)

Yeah, I think.

Heather McDonald (75:20)

But I think as an audience.

Kempire (75:23)

I.

Heather McDonald (75:23)

Want to see them all come back.

Kempire (75:25)

I mean, I'm open to all. I think Alexis, I know the way that she is perceived on the show. No one likes her, rightfully so. Cause she became his mouthpiece, Johnny J's mouthpiece. But when she wasn't talking about Shannon when they went to Big Bear and they were having that little girls trip, I was like, Alexis is actually kooky and funny. It's an easy target to make fun of too.

Heather McDonald (75:46)

And also the other girls have said, you know, in times where they're not filming and like Katie lost her father in law or whatever, Alexis is like that friend that actually does call, sends something to your house, is like, can I come over with the casserole? She actually is that person. So it's like, I Think it would be interesting to see it, you know, and I think they would have brought. They would have even maybe brought her back had she not been dating. Oh, really, Johnny? She says that they were talking to her. Oh, you know what Jen said recently, the new girl? Jen?

Kempire (76:21)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (76:22)

She said when she was with her husband that they went through the process.

Kempire (76:26)

Yes.

Heather McDonald (76:27)

And she never shared. We're having problems because they. They appear not to. To the, you know, outside world. And then tuning a picked. They said basically, you're too boring. She's like, okay. The husband was down because he's like, oh, you maybe do this stupid yoga thing. Could, like, make some money if you're on TV to do it. So I don't want to say stupid, but, you know, a yoga studio is not a big money maker unless it has some type of notoriety like, you know, Billy Blake's or whatever, like, workout. So then, anyway, so then she said. Then out of the blue, the casting director called her, and right when Tamara was coming back. And one thing Tamara is, is she is a producer's darling. She gets an A plus in the class. She is a star pupil. She will deliver the moments. And she, I'm sure, in my opinion, called the producers and was like, I know this girl. You guys interviewed her a couple years ago. Oh, God, Tamara, she was so boring. No, listen, she's getting a divorce. She's dating this guy who has kind of a questionable reputation around town. And, you know, and he's attractive, too, and he's a thirst bucket. He'll want to be on tv. I'm telling you, this is like, golden. So then she gets a call out of the blue, and she was like, wait, you guys are interested in me again? Well, I don't think you will be now. Like, she's so innocent. Because my life's gone to shit getting divorced. She's dating my ex best friend. I'm dating this guy from the gym. And the girl goes to her, oh, well, okay. Well, you know, hope you're doing okay. And she goes, not less than 20 minutes later, they're like, yeah, we're interested. And then Tamara goes, listen, they're interested. But what's going to really help seal the deal is I told him that the four of us are like, best friends and we go out to dinner all the time and Eddie and Ryan, like, whatever, work out and men's stuff together. And, like, this is gonna be great. So then she gets on the show, and that's why the first season, she was, like, so confused because she thought this was her good friend who then would act one way when the cameras weren't there. And then when they were together, she's like, chucking a napkin in her face out of nowhere.

Kempire (78:34)

And she was, like, disrespectful.

Heather McDonald (78:36)

She's like, am I the Twilight Zone? Oh, no. I'm just on a Bravo reality TV show.

Kempire (78:40)

And you're dealing with Tamara Judge, right?

Heather McDonald (78:42)

Yeah. So.

Kempire (78:44)

But we ended up falling in love with Jennifer.

Heather McDonald (78:46)

Oh, yeah, I did.

Kempire (78:47)

I'll say. I'll speak for myself.

Heather McDonald (78:48)

I like her. I like her.

Kempire (78:50)

She's so likable. She's so herself.

Heather McDonald (78:52)

You know, they came to my show in Irvine with Alexis and John and Katie. And I will say, Alexis was really nice. She posted about the show. She came right backstage. She was not taking photos with everybody. Because I said, if you want to say hi to me after, I need you to do it right after the show, because I have a next show. And I go, but I know it's going to be hard because the audience is going to want to talk to you and take photos with you. And in the past, when I've invited housewives, that's been the case. And I don't blame them, but whatever. They love the attention. How can you not?

Kempire (79:30)

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Heather McDonald (79:31)

She was like, no, I'm right at the door. Where's your son? We want to say hi to you. So I have to say, there. There is.

Kempire (79:38)

Maybe she had come in without the Johnny J. Portion.

Heather McDonald (79:41)

That's what I'm saying. Like, if this was just, like, a girl who lived in the neighborhood and ended up dating an ex, like, you know, they never were on the show together. So if she just started dating somebody that dated someone she knew in the neighborhood, like, some people. Some people, like, okay, that's weird. But, like, you know, I have friends that are, like, in, you know, South Carolina or North Carolina, and they're like, you know, it looks like a reality show. They're all attractive. They're all on their second husband. They're all dating each other's people.

Kempire (80:09)

Oh.

Heather McDonald (80:10)

Because they're all, like, in the neighborhood and they're all, like, of the same socioeconomic level. And they are.

Kempire (80:15)

So when are we producing this reality show?

Heather McDonald (80:16)

I'm telling you, it's good.

Kempire (80:18)

I'm like, wait a minute.

Heather McDonald (80:19)

Yeah. Like, I'm invested at Lake Normand area.

Kempire (80:23)

Oh, Housewives of Lake Norman. Come on.

Heather McDonald (80:27)

But yeah, like I'm saying, if it wasn't a show, it wouldn't be that. But then with all this. But it made for so entertaining.

Kempire (80:33)

For us, Shannon, this season, it distracted. Honestly, she should really give them a gift basket. Oh, she did. $70,000. Yes.

Heather McDonald (80:41)

Yes.

Kempire (80:42)

Because it really made her situation. You know, she could literally be dealing with the Karen Huger situation right now where people are.

Heather McDonald (80:49)

And let's talk about that.

Kempire (80:51)

Yes. Karen Huger. Her second dui.

Heather McDonald (80:54)

I can't. I can't deal with Karen Huger. This is Potomac and she is, you know, six year old woman. She also got a DUI and in an accident. Not with anybody else, thankfully. Just. Just like, Just like Shannon. Nobody else. She didn't even have a dog in the car. And she talks about it with her cousin who she was on the phone with. Yeah, who I guess she was on the phone again. Not. Shouldn't be while you're buzzed and talking on the phone and then hit the car or hit the car.

Kempire (81:20)

She's never admitted to being Buzz. Heather.

Heather McDonald (81:22)

Oh, sorry. And then she said, oh, it's because I was mourning the death of my mother who died in 2018 or whatever it was.

Kempire (81:31)

Wow. Yeah. No, she's coming up with every excuse.

Heather McDonald (81:34)

That's what I'm saying.

Kempire (81:35)

It's her parents. Her mom died, her father died, and then her issues with Ray.

Heather McDonald (81:39)

Okay.

Kempire (81:39)

But still, like, she's been under a lot of pressure, Heather.

Heather McDonald (81:44)

Okay, I'm sorry. As someone who has lost my parents.

Kempire (81:48)

Sorry.

Heather McDonald (81:48)

If you're of a certain age, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. I mean, it's going to happen. And I'm sorry that it didn't work out the way you thought, you know, but like, you're 60 years old. Are we. Are you supposed to still have your, like, mom around? I mean, it's pretty rare if you do. And losing any parent is hard, but I think you cannot now if the parent had died, you know, one week prior to the dui. And like, and she was just like, I was coming back from. Back home from the hospital and I was just like, you know, in a distraught space and I hadn't really even dealt with anything. We just got done planning the funeral and I fucking just like. Then everyone be like, yes. You know, still horrible.

Kempire (82:30)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (82:31)

But to then pull, to try to pull the sympathy card, like.

Kempire (82:36)

But here's the thing. I can understand being distracted because of going through distress, but. Were you drinking, Karen?

Heather McDonald (82:44)

Yeah.

Kempire (82:44)

Were you drinking? Were you under the influence of alcohol?

Heather McDonald (82:47)

I don't know. I guess we'll know.

Kempire (82:48)

You know, I mean, according to the reports, it was. There was beer in the car. She was, you know, not able to walk straight.

Heather McDonald (82:56)

Beer was her mother's favorite. Oh, was her mother's favorite. And to. You don't understand. It was my mother's favorite. And I was looking at that beer thinking, if only my mother was here, then Ray would give me more attention. I don't know. It's just like she is. But this is, this show, you guys. Potomac is so messy with this girl Mia, who has this older husband named Gordon. And he.

Kempire (83:24)

And she has a boyfriend. Don't forget about the boyfriend.

Heather McDonald (83:25)

She has this boyfriend named Ink who she dated before meeting Gordon, then met Gordon, got married to Gordon. And it gets out on last night that she then had an affair with Ink while they were married, got pregnant, terminated the pregnancy, and then cheated on Ink.

Kempire (83:44)

Didn't know about it.

Heather McDonald (83:45)

Apparently he just found out in this moment in the kitchen and then got with him again. Because she believes that one of her two children. No, she believes that. So the daughter, I guess she believes is Gordon's, but the son who's older than the daughter, she doesn't know if it's Gordon or Inks.

Kempire (84:04)

She says, because I think she did an iui. So she says she believes that. That's the truth. But Gordon's the one who did an interview and put it out there. That part of the.

Heather McDonald (84:14)

What's the truth? Who's the dad of the.

Kempire (84:16)

That Gordon is the father. But because Gordon put it out there, she wants to do a paternity test. Oh, but she believes. Mia believes that. No, that is definitely Gordon son.

Heather McDonald (84:29)

Well, if they, if we see then she does it and that we sit on the show and it hasn't been leaked by a blogger. Cuz I don't know that we know who the dad is. Then her claim that Gordon has bipolar mental disorder. And that's. And he, he was a nightmare to be married to. Then I think we'll have a little more sympathy for her. She, she, she, she comes off though, like, she's never really like out of control though. Like she's pretty good on camera. Like as far as expressing herself. Keep saying her snarky things and lying.

Kempire (85:03)

Yeah, lying and lying. We call her Mia Be Lying.

Heather McDonald (85:06)

So you think she's lying a lot?

Kempire (85:08)

She's lying a lot. Gisele did an interview, she was doing a press junket while she was in New York, says that, you know, Mia has a lot to answer for at the reunion because she has lied a lot during the season. Ashley this week alone says that Mia has a lot to answer for at the reunion because some of the things that play out during the season. She. Her character is questionable. The fact that these OGs are saying this about Mia. We already know Mia lies a lot. If you're a fan of the show, we know she lies. One thing you can rely on her being consistent about is lying. So the fact that these folks are seemingly turning on her before the reunion. I believe they're filming the reunion this week. That's kind of interesting that they're turning on her. I'm wondering what plays out during the rest of the season. I'm already cringing at the fact that she has her boyfriend and her husband on the same show. And the paternity is being questioned. The kids are in the other room. They can clearly hear what's happening. So that already makes me go, eugh. So I wonder what happens during the season that makes the majority of the housewives turn on her, basically.

Heather McDonald (86:15)

Okay, before we go, can you just explain to the audience to remind them what happened on Real housewives of Atlanta with Kenya, because she just did Tamron Hall's show. And just give the Cliff note version of what happened to remind everybody because it was pretty crazy.

Kempire (86:35)

So this was at the top of their new season, sweet 16.

Heather McDonald (86:38)

So we have not seen it yet.

Kempire (86:39)

We have not seen it yet. I'm hearing the top of 2025 is when we'll get Atlanta.

Heather McDonald (86:42)

Okay.

Kempire (86:43)

Right now we have five shows on at the same time. It's a lot. Yeah, but it's a lot. But Kenya was accused at the time of putting up poster boards of Brittany Eady, the newbie. And one of those poster boards had Britney with something in her mouth of the male persuasion. Private area. And Kenya denied that she was involved in revenge porn. And she says, bravo never investigated me for that. An organization is not going to investigate you for revenge porn. Okay. They're going to investigate if you've violated their code of conduct. And according to. I think it was the exclusive from lovebescott.com that they got the information that wasn't what she was let go for. She said that she wasn't fired. They decided to mutually part ways mid season, middle at the top of the season. Oh, and when I was doing my live show in Atlanta, people were spilling tea that were there. They confirmed that, yes, this is exactly what Kenya did at her own spa event. Now Kenya has confirmed that this is what she did.

Heather McDonald (87:49)

So she's doing a thing like, here's my hair and here's. Oh, where did this come from?

Kempire (87:54)

Poster boards. She went to Pakinko's, and it wasn't.

Heather McDonald (87:59)

Even, like, on a slideshow.

Kempire (88:00)

No, it was like, poster board.

Heather McDonald (88:01)

Oh, okay.

Kempire (88:02)

Poster board.

Heather McDonald (88:03)

That's a lot of effort.

Kempire (88:05)

That's a lot of. She said. And it's funny because when she was on Tamron hall, it's almost like she took a little accountability. And then she sort of was like, I had a lot more that I could have shared and giggled. And I was like, wait a minute. What is happening right now?

Heather McDonald (88:19)

She basically said her excuse was. What you don't realize is I felt I was being attacked by this woman, and I didn't feel safe. So, no, it's not okay that I did this, but I did it because I'm a mother. And since I've become a mother, I was feeling extra vulnerable, and that's why I lashed out with this thing. And it's like, you're gonna pull the mother card. Like, you gave birth at, like, 50 years old. You're 53. The girl is three or four. Like, again, you know, just like, Karen, we're not gonna sorry for you that your mom died five years ago when you were 60. And I'm not gonna feel sorry for you. Like, the actual.

Kempire (88:59)

She also used her mom card, too, in regards to, you know, her mother basically disowned her when she was a baby, and she was raised by her grandmother.

Heather McDonald (89:07)

Oh, she brought that up on.

Kempire (89:08)

She brought that up on Tamron hall as well. I just wish she would have just owned it. She really ruined this opportunity because she. She was given the opportunity to come back.

Heather McDonald (89:16)

According to my sources, fake crying and like, my child. Your child was not in jeopardy. Your child was at preschool. Your child had nothing to do with your child. And you know what? There's a lot of single mothers out there, and you're on a show, and you. You have so much privilege, and you've been on the show for so long, and you've, you know, Gorgeous. They didn't want to bring her back.

Kempire (89:34)

Allegedly. They didn't want to bring her back this last season because she did this.

Heather McDonald (89:38)

And fucked it up.

Kempire (89:39)

Yeah, she ruined that relationship.

Heather McDonald (89:40)

But I feel like they. But you know what? Bravo forgives people all the time. Phaedrus, come back.

Kempire (89:44)

She's.

Heather McDonald (89:45)

She will come back, too, if the show continues.

Kempire (89:47)

And I think that's what she was doing this in regards to. Sort of like, I talk to Andy Cohen all the time. You know, that's my family. I think there were rumors that she was going to sue them because of, you know, the suspension, but I think she's backtracking on that because she realized.

Heather McDonald (90:02)

People say that Andy's their family. If Andy was to invite four housewives to his Thanksgiving dinner with his two kids and his parents, in your opinion. He had to. He had to. Otherwise he would lose $10 million. He has to invite four housewives, past or present. Who. Who do you think he would choose?

Kempire (90:25)

Oh, my gosh.

Heather McDonald (90:26)

I'll say mine first.

Kempire (90:27)

I'll go ahead. Go ahead, guess.

Heather McDonald (90:31)

I think you'd pick Erika Jayne. Just because he's like her plus one would be a hot piece of ass. She would clearly have, like, some hot gay dancer. Okay, let me think. Not Kyle. Because he's sick of her crying. He also wants to have some fun. He. Tamara. Tamara. Because he just will get again some snark. And let me think. And then who's like a classic. Who is a classic that he would also want there? I feel like he doesn't like that many of them. Hold on. She really likes him. The London girl. The Dubai girl that got fired.

Kempire (91:13)

Oh, Caroline Stanberry.

Heather McDonald (91:14)

Yeah. He'd want her. And then he's going to also. Oh, my God.

Kempire (91:23)

You asked me this question.

Heather McDonald (91:25)

This is hard. I just thought of it in the moment, which is perfect. Thanksgiving is next week.

Kempire (91:29)

Thanks.

Heather McDonald (91:29)

Give me another one.

Kempire (91:31)

No one on this cast.

Heather McDonald (91:32)

Oh, I think Giselle.

Kempire (91:33)

No, I think he would invite Robin over Gisele. Gisele's very sensitive. He said this during Bravocon.

Heather McDonald (91:39)

Robin.

Kempire (91:39)

That he had a job.

Heather McDonald (91:40)

Okay, so you think. Okay, so you think. Who are your four now?

Kempire (91:43)

Okay, my four would be Nene. No matter what they've gone through.

Heather McDonald (91:45)

Oh, you're right.

Kempire (91:46)

No matter what they've gone through.

Heather McDonald (91:48)

He knows it's a good time. He knows it's a good time. Okay, I'm going to replate by Giselle with Nene. So now mine are Nene, Erica, Jane, Tamara, and what was my other one.

Kempire (91:57)

That I said, what was the other one? Omg. Tamara.

Heather McDonald (92:06)

Bronwyn. No, he's actually gonna invite Bronwyn because he wants some real wealth. He wants some real wealth, but he doesn't want her to bring Todd. So it's Bronwyn, Erika, Jayne, Tamara, and Nene. Who do you think yours are?

Kempire (92:20)

Nene Leakes, definitely.

Heather McDonald (92:22)

Okay.

Kempire (92:22)

Kandy. Because they actually. I could tell that they actually have good banter together.

Heather McDonald (92:26)

Okay.

Kempire (92:27)

Teresa Giudice. Because she's going to bring some good food.

Heather McDonald (92:31)

Good point.

Kempire (92:32)

Okay, so Nene, Candy. Even though that's gonna be a little bit of a fight. Nene Candy. Teresa.

Heather McDonald (92:39)

Yeah.

Kempire (92:43)

I'm trying to think of all the.

Heather McDonald (92:45)

Oh, Wait, New York. Anyone from New New York?

Kempire (92:48)

No, from New New York? No, none of that.

Heather McDonald (92:51)

He's trying to act like he likes somebody.

Kempire (92:52)

He's probably changed his number so that they can't contact him. He's not inviting anyone. He probably would invite Luann, Kathy Hilton. Oh, he would want to invite Kathy just because she's so entertaining and she gives some scoop.

Heather McDonald (93:05)

Yeah.

Kempire (93:06)

He'd be like, yeah.

Heather McDonald (93:07)

And she'll bring, like, the little girl Lucy, like some fabulous gift.

Kempire (93:11)

Yeah, yeah.

Heather McDonald (93:12)

She'll come with, like, really good gifts.

Kempire (93:14)

I could definitely see that. But then, you know, Kyle would be very upset with him.

Heather McDonald (93:17)

Okay, now I'm going back with my four. Oh, Kathy Hilton.

Kempire (93:20)

Okay.

Heather McDonald (93:21)

Erika Jayne. I am going to go with the Teresa and the food.

Kempire (93:25)

Oh, Cody, Cat over here.

Heather McDonald (93:27)

And then Nene. You're right. But no Candy. Those are the four that would make his Thanksgiving fun.

Kempire (93:33)

I think Andy would agree with me. He would definitely invite Candy. I think despite everything that he's gone through with Nene, he would invite Nene. Definitely Teresa. Cause Teresa's going to bring some good food.

Heather McDonald (93:44)

Okay.

Kempire (93:46)

I feel like. Let me just think. We have Salt Lake City. No one on Salt Lake. Mary Cosby, maybe he might invite Mary Cosby just for entertainment.

Heather McDonald (93:54)

Just for the weirdness.

Kempire (93:55)

Yes, just for the entertainment. I think he does like Mary Cosby in a weird way.

Heather McDonald (93:59)

Yeah.

Kempire (94:00)

Or Chanel Ion. She would be a good time. Yeah, that's it. From Dubai.

Heather McDonald (94:05)

Said that girl from Dubai. That's why. Oh, Carol Kempire, you're such a delight. Tell everybody where they can. So wait, the show is tonight, Wednesday or Thursday?

Kempire (94:18)

Wednesday, Tonight.

Heather McDonald (94:19)

So you'll have missed the show.

Kempire (94:20)

Yeah.

Heather McDonald (94:21)

So what is fun besides tell them where they can follow you and if. Do you have any other shows coming up?

Kempire (94:27)

Yes. I'm going to London. I'm taking the Kempire After Dark live show to London.

Heather McDonald (94:31)

Great.

Kempire (94:31)

And that's December 8th. And then I'll be in Washington, D.C. january 24th. And then of course, back to my hometown, New York City. We have a show in February. The date hasn't been announced yet, but of course everyone can follow me. Hekempire on all socials and of course on YouTube. Kempire.

Heather McDonald (94:47)

Thank you.

Kempire (94:48)

Thank you.

Heather McDonald (94:49)

And then Everybody go to heatherdahl.net. that's where you get the juicy scoop with the Patreon. And I do have dates in February. I, too, will be in New York February 14th.

Kempire (94:58)

Let me know.

Heather McDonald (94:59)

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