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Heather McDonald
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Spencer Pratt
Scoop.
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Heather McDonald
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Spencer Pratt
Woo.
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Heather McDonald
Woo. Hannah McDonald. Juicy scoop. Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. You guys have been begging. You have missed him so much. I have. Our next mayor of Los Angeles, Mayor Spencer Pratt. Welcome back to Juicy Scoop. First time in this location at my home here. And I appreciate you so much for coming.
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Spencer Pratt
I appreciate warning you that I could have a very crazy sickness. And you said, I don't care. I'll make you some warm tea. So if I sound extra sick, it's. I'm not my normal sick Go energy. Now I'm just a sicko that's sick. So thanks. Yeah, this is way better than going anywhere else. It's a beautiful studio.
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Heather McDonald
Thank you. Well, first of all, I want to talk about the book. Spencer Pratt, the guy you loved to hate. Loved. Past tense. Okay. Because we don't hate you anymore. Since your first appearance on Juicy Scoop and I changed your life.
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Spencer Pratt
That's. Thank you.
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Heather McDonald
And let the world know what a true delight and smart and articulate and funny person that you are. Now this is your second book.
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Spencer Pratt
I'm gonna have to update the book actually in the. Because I didn't mention that in the book.
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Heather McDonald
That that Juicy Scoop change your life.
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Spencer Pratt
Yeah. I gave Snapchat the credit, but I will in the like. I think you can update it.
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Heather McDonald
I am going to be honest. Because I will be honest it was Juicy Scoopers telling me, you have to look at Spencer Pratt's Snapchat.
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Spencer Pratt
Okay, so the book is off.
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Heather McDonald
He's amazing. And then I saw it, and then I reached out, and then you came and you were on time, and you were like, I was just walking around in the Gelsons in Calabasas. Cause I had the Calabasas and trying to be recognized, and, boy, nobody recognizes me anymore. I think that was maybe like 2017 or something. And I just thought. I immediately fell in love with the honesty of you just being so frank about your life and everything. That. That started with you first doing reality TV when you were the producers of the Princess of Malibu.
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Spencer Pratt
Well, I think you're going to love this book because it is. It is very authentic. So, first off, I'm the first audiobook to have a famous vocal producer.
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Heather McDonald
Love it.
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Spencer Pratt
And second, to have a Beyonce's mixer. But, yeah, the reading the audiobook was so emotionally tolling because you really have to, like, read.
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Heather McDonald
So is the book your memoir? Because the other book was, like, a fun book.
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Spencer Pratt
How to be famous is not fun.
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Heather McDonald
You're like, this is. Remember, it's like childhood. All the. All the ups and downs of your career.
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Spencer Pratt
It seems more like down. That's what I was like, Jesus, was this guy gonna get a break? It's funny because, like, Mayor Karen Bass and her team is trying to act like I'm running for mayor to promote this book, which I think is so funny. Literally burned my house down. I wish I was just feeding hummingbirds. Yeah, but this would be the last book you would write to try to run for political office.
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Heather McDonald
Right. Because it's all your.
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Spencer Pratt
Yeah, it's like somebody wrote a. I put. It's like a hit piece on me.
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Heather McDonald
Right.
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Spencer Pratt
It's like somebody else wrote it.
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Heather McDonald
I mean, when you think about, like, being a kid and you'd have to do, like, a book report on Lincoln, and obviously it wasn't that he shared a bed with another man and could possibly be gay. It was all. Yeah, you don't know about that.
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Spencer Pratt
My history.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, well, that wasn't in the fourth grade book. It's like, all the great things that he did is perfect childhood, whatever. So you're right. This is. You know, there isn't you not hiding anything of. You know, this is. If finding dirt on Spencer Pratt, you told on yourself, there's nothing. You don't need a whole group of people on the opposition side to, like, infiltrate, you know, your.
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Spencer Pratt
They should buy the book and just start pulling out paragraphs quick.
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Heather McDonald
I know that our juicy scoopers love you and love your take on everything. So let's just get into what you have done in the last year. The anniversary of the horrific fires was just a couple weeks ago on the 7th, 7th, 8th, 9th. It just kept burning and it's just amazing what you did. From when did you really start to like uncover the truth?
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Spencer Pratt
I think once the reality that Heidi's music, even though I was number one in all this, how little money there is in music and I wasn't gonna be able to rebuild and the reality of, you know, I still. I got to live in that false hope for a good couple months and lots of margaritas. And so I was delusional in that there's a positive in this. This is going to be great.
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Heather McDonald
You're trying to make lemonade out of burned out lemon trees. The ashes of lemon trees.
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Spencer Pratt
And then when you find out that even millions of streams like every is like 0001 penny and like that hit me so hard. You know, Heidi was smart. Obviously never went along with my fantasy of this music's gonna build our house back and get my parents house back. And very smart lady did not ever. She's like okay Spencer, go to sleep. So once that wore off and I'm just like oh my God, we are so effed. How did this happen? And now I'm, you know, I'm the lead plaintiff suing the city, suing ladwp, suing Newsom and the state of California. So with that I'm part of the case and I'm learning all of the things, all the negligence that was involved that led to all of this. I'm like oh my God. This is was all preventable. This wasn't hurricane winds. This wasn't unprecedented. You know. So it just became my life now because I. I'm one of 10,000 other plaintiffs, as Newsom called us, opportunistic plaintiffs that are just trying to get 70% because I think that's the most you could even get in a settlement from public entities. I could be wrong. Is 70% of what you lost? Not even so we're not even trying to get like what we had plus more. The most I think you can get is 70% which is diabolical. So then I realized the literal effort that the media was trying to cover up with the mayor with Newsome to the point where I would put out these videos with all this information. It would take three months before the LA Times would then kind of COVID what I did because I Think so many people were in their comments section, you know, on all their posts, like, what about this? To where it looked flagrant that they weren't choosing to cover that. So yeah, it's just yesterday I posted the video that we found out that the fire department for their after action report that I knew months ago because fired up firemen firefighters reached out and told me that the report was cooked. It was totally edited. There was like nine versions of it. And they told me that the chief that wrote it asked to have his name taken off. So I spent a long time tracking down one copy of the original. It was like out of a movie scene I had to send.
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Heather McDonald
You feel like Aaron Brockovich.
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Spencer Pratt
If I had gone personally, I would have. But I sent one of my crystal employees to like meet a firefighter at a soccer AYSO game and take the photos. So I think I would have felt more of an investigator if I was doing it. Yes, I like sent somebody to do it, but maybe that's what real investigators do, they send.
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Heather McDonald
Well, that's what who Aaron Brockovich was, she worked for.
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Spencer Pratt
Oh, so the attorney, Karen Brockovich. But thanks for MacKenzie. She drove out to the AYSO game and so I got photos of how it was changed. But we found out yesterday that the fire department hired Reese Witherspoon and Charlize Theron's celebrity PR crisis firm, the lead company, to help rewrite it. And obviously we know that's the mayor's. I mean allegedly, you would assume that that's the mayor's office suggesting that they do a different version that doesn't show how much they failed. So the best part about that is where do you think they got the money to write that report? The LA Fire Department foundation, which is the charitable company, they use those funds. So it's just like back to Fire Aid. There's people that donate. You go on their site. There's no ding on the donation buttons that say money here donated could be used to help whitewash after action reports that help lie on the truth of 12 people burning alive in 7,000 structures. So here's Joe Schmo or whoever donating, thinking they're helping build a fire station, fix fire trucks and then that money is used to do a cover up.
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Heather McDonald
There is a couple things that are just huge. And for those people that our juicy scoopers that don't live in LA and they are hearing bits and pieces. I just want to make clear again, we went to the fire aid show. The tickets were very expensive because the money was going towards the victims. The sweatshirt I'm currently wearing, which is a nice sweatshirt, we were told the profits were going to the victims. Then the way I understand it is not one person in Altadena or Pacific Palisades has received one check, one penny from the fire rate. I have not talked to one person. If you are one of those people, can you let us know how you got your money? Do you know of anyone?
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Spencer Pratt
So after it came out and they were so exposed, I think one person DM me and said they got from the music grim, blah, blah blah, they maybe got $1,000. And then I wrote to them, what was the date on this? And it was like a week before the dm. So obviously once they know I'm meeting with the IRS criminal investigators and they're making tiktoks, if I'm one of these NGOs, I'm like, maybe we send out a couple thousand. But here's where, here's where it gets very obvious. Latham and Watkins is the major law firm that fire aid hired to defend them. In their report, they say several of the NGOs involved in fire aid gave money directly to fire victims. So I google it, I asked Chad, I asked Gronk, feel free to do it yourself. The definition of several, I never found any definition. That's more than 10. The list of NGOs that took that $100 million is 200 plus.
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Heather McDonald
And NGO stand for? No, no, but what a NGO stands for, what?
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Spencer Pratt
The national charity non governmental organization.
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Heather McDonald
Okay, yeah.
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Spencer Pratt
Obviously, you know, there is, of course on planet Earth there are good people and I'm sure there's a couple good people that have NGOs. But the problem is there's a huge amount of NGOs that are now are corrupt and they're part of whether it's fire aid or the homeless industrial complex. It's the reason $24 billion can disappear. They can say their argument is it didn't disappear. We audited. Here's the list. Go look at those. See how much that 24 billion went to NGOs. And then you go look at these NGOs. These people get paid a million two a year salaries. On the lower end, it's 500,000, 600,000. You're telling me if you're getting a million dollars a year to stop homelessness, you want to stop homelessness. If you stop homelessness, you're not getting a million two a year anymore. So there have a financial incentive to not have solve these solutions. So back to the fire aid is they Said several. That's their defense. But when you look at their list of what they're like gift cards went to, who'd they hand these gift cards out? I don't know. One person that got a. A gift card. You know, again, I've been doing this for a year. Same. Same with Sue Pasco, who was one of the main journalists. She never had one person reach out to her.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah, I mean, I've seen the people that were used in the videos that lost their homes in Altadena. I was there. I saw the family come out. Our aunt lost her home. Those people never received any money. What I just think is crazy is. Yes. So the people that are in charge of fire aid, their hands are clean because they said, we gave it to these charitable organizations. It was their job to go find the victims and give it to them. And I'm like, it's not hard to find the victims. You have addresses. It's not hard to have found them. But instead they went to all these different. I heard one was George Clooney's thing, another one was like, there were some in other countries. There was some with voting stuff.
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Spencer Pratt
It's like, it's insane.
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Heather McDonald
It's insane. And what's really insane is that all the people then that I assume perform, maybe they didn't perform for free, but they performed and they put their name on. I'm at fire eight. Why isn't there one performer that's like, what the fuck? How did this happen? Like, why didn't some people. I just want to say, if it made a hundred million dollars back during COVID times, right, they would go, okay, everyone's getting a check for $1,400 because we can't work. And some people didn't need it, and some people need it desperately, but everybody got it, okay? And so I'm like, what they could have done right then is we made $100 million. There's 7,000 victims. Everybody, you know, that we know has their houses burned down. We have the address. Everyone gets this amount of dollars. If you don't want it or if you had great insurance you want to give us, fine, but everybody gets it. That's what I thought it was going to be. That's it was going to be. So even if it was like $10,000 a person, still, that's a drop in the bucket. But at least it would have been something, you know. When dinner time hits and your fridge is full of question marks, butcherbox has your back. Start the year strong with high quality protein delivered right to your door, including kid friendly favorites that make week nights easier for the whole crew. For over a decade, Butcherbox has led the industry with with meat and seafood that's antibiotic free, hormone free and independently verified. It's the clean, trustworthy protein you want to be eating, especially at the start of the new year. We just got the salmon from Butcherbox and it was so delicious. I added some lemon and some pesto and it was so easy to make. As an exclusive offer. New listeners can get their choice between organic ground beef, chicken breast or ground turkey in every box for a year plus $20 off when you go to butcherbox.com juicyscoop that's right, your choice of organic ground beef, chicken breast or ground turkey in every box for an entire year plus $20 off your first box and free shipping always. That's ButcherBox.com JuiceScoop don't forget to use our link so they know we sent you. Oh my gosh you guys. I just got the greatest pair of jeans from Quince. They are soft, they are comfortable, they're high waisted, they look hip and I love them and they're a great price. That is what I love about Quince. The quality shows in every detail. The stitching, the fit, the fabrics. Every piece is thoughtfully designed to be your new wardrobe essential. And like everything from Quint's, each piece is made with premium materials in ethical trusted factories priced from far below what other luxury brands charge. Quince has all the staples covered from soft Mongolian cashmere sweaters that feel like designer pieces without the markup to 100% silk tops and skirts for easy dressing up to perfectly cut denim for everyday wear. Their wardrobe essentials are crafted to last season after season. Refresh your wardrobe with Quince. Don't wait. Go to quince.com juicy for free shipping on your order and 365 day returns. Now available in Canada too. That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com juicy to get free shipping and 365 day returns quince.com juicy Everybody is talking about GLP1s. People are loving them. People are staying on them for long periods of time with great results. And maybe you've wondered is it right for you? But where do I begin? That's where Ro comes in. Ro offers the first FDA approved GLP1 pill for weight loss at the lowest cost around. The new GLP1 pill has the same weight loss ingredient as the shot impacts comparable results to the shot. It can help patients lose 14% of their body weight in a year on average. That's one daily pill for fewer cravings and feeling fuller with an innovative new formula clinically proven to maximize weight loss. I'm really excited about this. I'm excited to try it. A pill is a much easier way to get the benefits so why not check it out? Go to RO Co Juicy scoop to see if you're eligible for the new GLP1 pill on RO. That's R O co Juicy scoop to get started on ro. Go to RO co Safety for boxed warning and full safety information about GLP1 medications based on study in non diabetics with obesity or overweight plus a weight related condition with diet and exercise.
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Spencer Pratt
They easily have that set up in the sense that FEMA was able to do that to verify if you were a victim SBA with loans. So it's not oh how could they could verify addresses. And then the way you go to the next level with it is then you really. Because you, you do it at the disaster and you know, just like with sba you submit your insurance. How much insurance? So say you had full insurance which is very few people, you wouldn't have maybe got any of that firing money. So let's give it to the people that had no insurance. Senior citizens underinsured and you could have a tier system. So actually there could have been bigger checks for a senior citizen that their senior citizens that got dropped January 1st they didn't get to re up. So let's focus on. I know of 150 senior citizens that got dropped in January leading up to the fire that couldn't even re up. So you start with them. So the idea that oh the fire, these smart people that defend it there is. I'm not going to name names. It's everyone knows but I don't even want to give. Very rich, successful smart people should have known better but they don't care because they're in with all these people.
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Heather McDonald
They're in bed. Yeah, they're all in bed and they're.
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Spencer Pratt
All friends with that charity and they go to those functions when it wasn't fire victims. It's this because it's the same. They're all writing off taxes.
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Heather McDonald
So and I think with the celebrities that were victims too. Why are they so silent here you're trying to do. You're working 20 hours a day writing and putting out these videos and seeing people to expose it. Where are your celebrity neighbors and why aren't they pissed off? Because they are not allowed to be because it's they're so rich, it's better to stay silent. What is it?
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Spencer Pratt
If the political entities that were involved in the negligence that burned down were part of a different party, I promise you, they would all be very. Look at Billie Eilish. She's the most outspoken person when it comes to billionaires right now. Lady, you were part of a concert that these same billionaires then took the fire victim money and put it back with other billionaires and you're not speaking up. So Heidi always tells me to just not go after these people to the point where I have messaged celebrities who had their house burned down and asked them, hey, could you come be a part of this? You don't have to say anything about Newsom or Karen Bass, but just maybe talk about what it's just bring some more attention. No response left on red. So it comes down to. In the last week, I lost a $75,000 TikTok campaign. Three posts that everything's been locked in. I had the products, I was ready, and they came to my team and said, oh, we don't want to be involved. Anything political. Like, I'm out here doing anything but trying to get accountability, transparency. You know, what I do, I don't even consider political, which. So imagine what these other actual millionaire celebrities, their teams tell them. Oh, no, you don't. So I see both sides. And again, Heidi always says, if you're an A list millionaire, are you risking that? You know, and it becomes, you know, this thing. It's like there's people that fight with me because so many of these firefighters don't come forward. And people will call them cowards. I'm like, yeah. Also, they have families. We saw that Karen Bass, once the chief firefighter Lady Crowley, started telling the truth, she was fired or demoted instantly. That's the chief. So what are they going to do to the lower end guys behind the hose? You know? So again, Heidi keeps me. Well, I also come for all these people that I would love to.
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Heather McDonald
I want to keep it real basic. And then we're just getting it into some, like, fun or pop culture stuff. Why, in the most basic terms, is the people defending the fact that we didn't have water in a reservoir? And when the fire started, firemen went to the fire hydrant to get the water, only to find out that there was no water. Is that all true?
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Spencer Pratt
It is true. But the problem with the media and just lying entities like the LADWP and the mayor of LA and Newsom and his fake independent investigation, they will truly look you right front at the Davos, Davos red blue carpet and tell you all the water in the world wouldn't have made a difference. It was hundred mile per hour winds when the max wind speed in the Palisades at the highest level was 37 mph. If there were hurricane winds, they wouldn't have had the planes and the helicopters that were flying throughout the whole fire. Maybe they went down for an hour, but. So they want you to believe that the water in the Palisades in those two empty reservoirs were for drinking water, which nobody was drinking out of the Santa Ynez reservoir. And if you research it, you could go look at the LA Times. I don't know if it was the 60s or 70s. So long ago. 50s long time ago. The engineer that created the reservoir, Santa Ynez Reservoir in the Palisades says it was built for wildfire protection, to protect the community from wildfires. They didn't build the 117 million gallon reservoir for drinking water in 2025. They're just lying on that because they don't want to have to pay. They don't want to be at fault.
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Heather McDonald
So.
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Spencer Pratt
So the scariest part about all this is I live next door to a reservoir, 6 million gallons, the Palisades reservoir. And I thought there was water in it to the point where I have a video on Snapchat where I'm snapchatting some guys next to it. I'm like, the water's all ready for the helicopters, thinking they're going to come dip in this thing that I thought and drop, right? I'm like, we are good not knowing that Janice Quinones, the CEO of LADWP that makes 750,000 a year, she has $250,000 security budget. A driver drained both of them at the same time. We have emails that when they drain the Santa Ynez one to repair a tear, they spent over a year negotiating, trying to, you know, at the most, I think the tear would have cost a quarter million dollars or less. I think it was 150,000. So here the top executives, LADW, they all make over 500 grand. But now when it comes to fixing this tear of this stupid cover to make it called drinking water, because I'm sure they get some state money or.
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Heather McDonald
Some environmental environment if they call that.
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Spencer Pratt
We put a cover on. Now it's backup drinking water that no one's drinking out of. Promise you. So they drained the reservoir in June of 2024. I should have paid attention and found out why because they were like, oh, we got to get it ready if we're draining that one. Then they decide, oh, we can't fix this one, let's leave them both empty. So you have two reservoirs empty and the argument will be all the water in the world couldn't have stopped this fire. This system was never designed the reservoir. Heidi just did a podcast where she went in a helicopter and asked her to time how far to go from the Santa Anas reservoir to the Lockman site of the origin of the fire. She said it was 30 seconds and that helicopter is not even as fast as the firehawk. You know, $16 million helicopters that Cal Fire and LAFD has. So it's maybe it's 15 seconds. So the first six hours of the Palisades Fire on January 7th, if there had been water in the Santa Ynez reservoir, they would have gone dipped in, in and they would have flown across the hill 15 seconds away, dropped the water on it. Instead, no water in it. They're flying to Encino and Pepperdine, spending 66% of their time flying versus 66% of their time dropping the water. So the argument of that water wouldn't help the fire hydrants. What it would have for sure helped was those six crucial hours of the beginning of the fire where they would have just grabbed water, dropped it, grab water, dropped it, set it flying to all this way. But the real scariest part about the whole story of the Palisades fire is the fire is did not start on January 7th. Like everyone talks about this fire started on New Year's Eve and Newsom and everyone talk about this arsonist, that case is falling apart. Because what they didn't talk about Is they have 30 plus witness testimonies from New Year's Eve of fireworks going up to the Lockman site. So the idea of an arsonist starting the palaces fire, that's not even going to probably end up being true. And the guy that chat GPT, whatever photo of that, that was from like two years before and he searched climate change and they can't even prove he was up there. So regardless of that, even if he was the arsonist, this alleged guy that burned eight acres. Well here's where it gets crazy. The state parks have secret maps. It's this a fact in there. And they have a manual, they talk about their secret maps that the community that's connected to the state parks is not aware of. Where in the state parks manuals it says if a fire starts in the park in quotes, let it burn. They are so about plants and how the best for the plants is they actually have no problem with it burning because of, like, regrowth. They. This milk vetch, the reason why there's no fire breaks anymore that they used to have around the palisades, you know, 30 years ago or whatever, is because of a protected. I'll call it a weed. I'm not a biologist or whatever, so I don't know, but looks like a damn weed to me. The best part about this, what happened to all the milk vetch? After January 7th, it all burned. So they're protecting plants and not letting the fire department come in with heavy equipment because of protected plants. They're not using dozers, which are bulldozers with these big things on the front of them to clear around where the fire was. So on New Year's Eve, the state parks people on the first, after the fire department put that out, they came in and asked the fire department to take dead brush and cover up all with photos of it in their text messages. The fire breaks that the fire department made with their hands because they're not even allowed to bring the dozers. They put dead brush on top of it while still smoldering. I mean, the level of, like, lunacy we have. The state parks lady admits in her deposition two weeks ago that she totally saw the whole side of the hill smoldering smoke coming, took a photo of it. And we asked her. The court lawyers said, well, what did you do? She goes, nothing. I'm not a fireman. Imagine going on a hike, seeing a whole side of a hill, smoking, taking a photo, not even texting it to your boss, calling 911 and just doing nothing. And she. So their job in their manual is to close the state park and tell us. Doesn't it doesn't create a dangerous condition to the community around it? They didn't close the state park. Their job in their own manual is to say the monitor that area. They didn't monitor it. And if they did, they took a photo and didn't tell anybody.
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Heather McDonald
So in all of this stuff that you've done, like, I can't. I mean, I know that you're educated. I know you went to usc. I know you're a writer. But I am really blown away how you have educated yourself and shared it and articulated it so much in the past year. Like, I watch these videos and I'm like, I don't even think he's sleeping, like, four hours a night. Like, I don't understand, like, when you decided, like, I'm just Going to do this. I'm just going to, I'm going to run for mayor because I need to get the word out. Like where. How did you make that decision?
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Spencer Pratt
Well, the more you deal with this, you realize these people, Mayor Karen Bass, Gavin Newsom, ladw, they get away with anything and everything. And I truly got to the place where the only way to stop these people is take their position where if I become mayor, I can make actual changes. Such since the Palisades fire, they have not done in any community around Mandeville Canyon, Brentwood, Hollywood Hills. They have not cleared any dead brush, they haven't made any fire breaks. They're actually cutting the fire department budget even more to the point where the fire department right now has their own ballot measure where they're trying, they put up their union trying to get money from sales tax because the city takes money that's supposed to go to the fire department and they use it for other things.
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Heather McDonald
That's just so, just upsetting because when I was at my son's school for like he goes to an all boy, went to an all boy Catholic high school and it was so I was the only girl being on career day and so I was like, oh, I'll do whatever. I'll be the comedy. And there was a, a fireman and a police officer there. And I was like, oh, hi. You know, and I go, how is the recruitment? Like how does that, how is it working? Because it was always, when I grew up, it's like everybody wanted to be a fireman, you know, because it's just a great, you know, it was men wanted to do it, it was good, women too, but like it was a good job. And he, and now this is what he told me. This is a couple years ago, at that point, a couple years ago there was like a kind of like a moratorium on not hiring legacies. So it's like if your dad and your grandpa were a fireman instead of it being a little nepoish maybe, but still you'd have to pass everything and everything. They were like, no. And I just thought that was crazy. My grandfather on my dad's side was a fire chief. My, you know, my dad didn't choose to be a fireman. But what I always understood is it's such a weird and such a risky job. And you. So being raised in that world of knowing you've lived at the firehouse, you have the subject and same with cops. Like that is something that you're, it's like bred in you too. Just like, actors oftentimes know how to act. Just, you know, same thing. I don't know if that's true. I think that's crazy. I think we need more fire people, men, women, whoever wants to do it. But we certainly shouldn't be discriminating against someone who is. Comes from a family of firefighters.
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Spencer Pratt
It's actually way worse than that. I just had on our podcast the head of the firefighter union, Freddie Escobar, and I asked him if the DEI stuff is true, and he said, absolutely. When Chief Crowley, who Mayor Bass brought in, there was a real initiative to just hire anybody that hit these certain boxes, regardless if they had the qualifications, to the point where there's a. You can go Google this yourself or search it. There's a video where somebody like a fire department promo video, and they say, well, what about if this person can't carry you? Can't carry a man? They say, I can't carry a man? Well, you should be asking yourself. This is what they say, loosely quoting. You should be asking yourself how you got into that position where they need to be carrying you. Like victim shaming. It's the craziest PR video. But that was where it was going. So he just a week ago told me 100% and he's a Latino. And he said, I would love, you know, white, black, Mexican, gay, who, whatever. If you're the best, you should not be hired to be in this position just because you meet, like, an equity.
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Heather McDonald
Especially when a job is such a physical thing. Clearly, I couldn't be a firefighter. And, you know, it's like I don't have that kind of strength.
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Spencer Pratt
And there are women. That was his thing.
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Heather McDonald
And I couldn't be an astronaut. I'm not smart enough. Not everybody can be everything.
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Spencer Pratt
Yeah, but he was saying there's enough qualified gay women, you know, whatever. There are those qualified people.
- [36:04]
Heather McDonald
Right.
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Spencer Pratt
And it's a. And it does a disservice to those people by lowering the standards just to, like, put the box.
- [36:11]
Heather McDonald
Well, yeah, it's going to put those. The firemen at risk and all of that. Okay. So I love that you are still your funny self. And in all this Blake Lively Taylor Swift stuff, you found an element in the text messages, whatever, to see al explain how what you found there.
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Spencer Pratt
You know, again, I'm not sure if it's real, but there is a version of the Blake Lively Taylor Swift court documents where Blake is discussing trying to get my book number one. And from my research, it looks pretty real because she also, in the. In the quotes knows Taylor is an avid audiobook listener. So she suggests maybe Taylor helps the audiobook go to number one. And the more I looked into, I can't verify if it's true.
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Heather McDonald
Okay, but she does like audiobook.
- [37:03]
Spencer Pratt
She. That's for sure.
- [37:05]
Heather McDonald
That is true.
- [37:06]
Spencer Pratt
Whether or not in between the Baldoni situation, they were concerned about it going number one. I can't now.
- [37:12]
Heather McDonald
You were a huge swiftie and you supported her for years and where is your relationship with Taylor today?
- [37:21]
Spencer Pratt
Well, I feel like that post yesterday I risked it all, you know, I may not get any more merch and I kind of accepted that I don't. All my other merch she sent burned down. So my collection's kind of, you know.
- [37:33]
Heather McDonald
So she was fond of you and she did.
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Spencer Pratt
Yeah, I think, you know I, when I did that post I thought well maybe they wouldn't like her team me bringing light to this. But I prefaced it by saying obviously I don't want her messages out there, but this is one positive at it. So in my mind I've accepted maybe I won't get a wedding invitation now based off that one video. But then I also thought she is a billionaire and she should know I am desperately trying to sell books at all costs and I felt like it was okay. But the takeaway that I hope all a list celebrities learn from this experience is they should do what Karen Bass, the mayor of LA does. She uses a specialized app for her messaging that automatically deletes them. And that's why we have none of her text messages from when she was in Africa, when she should have been in the Palisades or Los Angeles. We don't know what she was saying or what her plans were because she has which should be legal on her personal device has some auto deleting app. So I think moving forward as much fun imessages and all the gifs and emoji if you are a major celebrity, do what Karen Bass does.
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Heather McDonald
Hey listen, I've learned years ago that I am a phone talker. I like to talk on the phone and I definitely not just because of like a lawsuit, but just because when you do text stuff you never know when that person might screen grab it, post it somewhere else, share it with someone else. But but calling someone, you know in the state of California, you can't record without their knowledge. So I always feel like if you do have something juicy to say and if it's about that you think Justin Baldoni is a dork and a doofus and you hate working with him on the movie. And you want to vent to your girlfriend, Taylor, yeah, you should have just called her.
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Spencer Pratt
But those, both of them could have been on the east Coast. She could have been in Rhode island and she could have been in New York in the lobby. So you can record.
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Heather McDonald
There are people that have never used a phone where they didn't know texting, you know, like that. There's. I'm old now, but yeah, we didn't have the texting. When the texting first started, I was still like calling people and they were like, this is very aggressive for you to call me. I'm like, I would just like to talk to you. Then going back and forth now I realize in this world it is very dangerous. Whether you're accused of a crime or you're in a lawsuit. It is very dangerous to write out everything.
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Spencer Pratt
You never know, forget even dangerous text people can infer. Like with my mom, she'll ask me a question and I'm, I've learned not to text back. I'll just call her and I say, and I'll talk it through because it will come off in a different, she'll interpret it, what I'm saying in a different way. So I always say like, I'll call you about, like this is. Yes, this is not a text conversation because texting is this weird where people put emotion to something like, oh, they just said it like that.
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Spencer Pratt
Well, she's now fallen and broken her arm three times. So I think her own safety has become her priority, you know, so. No, I think she is.
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Heather McDonald
I mean, does that.
- [43:53]
Spencer Pratt
I think she gets better every day. That.
- [43:55]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Spencer Pratt
Now she's like, go for it. I mean. Yeah, I think a lot of people are turning because they're realizing it's now been a year.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Spencer Pratt
And everything's actually getting worse. There's less signs of hope. So, like the bs, we're gonna waive the permits. That was all. Yeah, that all was. They never waived any permits. They still are denying it. Now the city's putting it on the state this week and like, oh, we can't wait the permits. We've never got a dollar from the state and Newsom's always bragging so slowly but surely. I hope they all start turning on each other as people start calling them out. But the one real problem that's just that I feel is we're in such a culture of gang, gang politics where if people don't want to expose that this is who they voted for and this is why we're in this situation. And I always say, I Don't care if Newsom was a Republican, Karen Bass was Republican, Janice Quinones was. I would be doing the same thing. And we, as American taxpaying citizens, should always. When there's something so negligent, so much fraud, so much corruption, that's when you stop defending a political party and you, okay, then you should be fighting to replace those Democrats.
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Heather McDonald
I decided to talk about this girl. She explained how she stood on everything, and then it was. It was very interesting. She goes, I feel this way, so therefore you're going to accuse me of being maga, but I feel this way. So now you're going to call me a libtard. I feel this way about this. So that's, you know, she went through everything that everyone talks about, from, you know, LGBTQ to ICE to everything. And it was like, the comments were like, yeah, this is how I feel. You know, and then I guess people are calling it the Purple Party. Like, the Purple Party, meaning if you did put red and blue together, I guess it comes out purple. But, like, where you're not really one thing anymore. And, you know, it's. There's corruption on all sides, and the same billionaires that backed the previous administration might be backing this one. It's like, it's, you know, and, you know, juicy scoop. I say, I'm not. I don't talk politics. This is an exception because it's Spencer and it is my local place. And I do think when it's local is when you really. You cannot put your head in the sand. So when it's where you live and you don't want to move. I don't want to move to Texas. I don't want to live in Austin.
- [46:29]
Spencer Pratt
So one of the best. I spent, like, two weeks with the New York Times journalist trying to do, like, a takedown hit piece on me. And it was an experience. And the one thing that I will take away from the horrible experience with him was a quote where he says, everyone gets so caught up in celebrity politics, the big national stuff, where everyone should be way more concerned about their local politics. To the point with who's the. Who's on their local park board, their schools. The list is so long. And that is why where I am. So people try to put me in these boxes. I'm like, again, I now am so aware of, if you don't pay attention, you'll lose everything. So I have to do this. I. It's unfortunate it took this because people, you know, they'll be in the comment section. Well, where were you for this? Or where were you for this? Like, I was feeding hummingbirds. I had a really good life. It was perfect. And it took me losing everything and my parents losing everything, where now I have plenty of time to examine all the things that are going wrong. And that is the problem when things are just, oh, it's okay. It's beautiful here. I'll pay the taxes. It's nice. It's slowly getting worse and worse. And I've been saying that for, like, you know, 20 years where, oh, wow, Hollywood's falling off. It's getting so bad that what is LA? If we just let this keep going. 10 more years of just going, Ah, but it's so beautiful. The weather is so great. We cannot just accept this. These people work for us, and that's what people forget. And we should switch them out. And again, if there's a better Democrat than Karen Bass, then. Then push for that better. She is the worst possible person and she's running for reelection. And I'm running because they're not pushing a better Democrat than Karen Bass. So it's not a political thing. If. If some new Democrat that was calling her out for everything, for everything, I'd be like, boom. I wouldn't even be running. I was like, oh, this is a Democrat area. Everyone's voting for Democrats. They got this new. But no, everyone has just accepted this is their candidate and that's what we need to get away from. Even if you want to vote Democrat, we got to find the Newsom is not your Democratic presidential candidate. He destroyed our whole state. So if you want a Democrat president, great, but it's not newsome. I can tell you he's a demon, like, for a fact. So that's my thing. Like, there's got to be better people. You got to have expectations. Just because they're yelling about the person you don't like, that doesn't give them the qualifications to fix anything. So again, I push back so hard. I'm not. I'm not a political person. I've chosen, like, juicy Scoop, you know, not to talk about politics for 20 years. You know, when I did my paparazzi shot with my Sarah Palin, John McCain the following week, I did the paparazzi shot with my Obama Hope shirt. So my version of take a little bit of cloud off of each. So that's what they want to do by, like, oh, he is this or he's that. When really I just want the same expectations that anybody who's paying taxes, human, decent, like, I don't want Dogs tortured all over on the street and carambas just letting it happen on in downtown. These are simple. Oh, that's a party thing. You don't want dogs mutilated and tortured and killed at record. I didn't know that was a political thing. I don't want people smoking fentanyl at the parks next to at every park, whether it's MacArthur park or Penmar. In Venice, you can go anywhere and people are smoking fentanyl right next to you. In the Palisades, before our house and our this school burned down, there was a homeless lady cleaning her vagina every morning like clockwork in front of the school. We'd call the police, they'd come and go, oh, please don't clean your vagina right here in front of the kids. And then they should be like, okay. And then she'll just go poop in front of Joe's Barbershop on the side of the street. So it's everywhere in la. It's not to the point where. Oh, you know it's not. It's in the bad neighborhoods. It's everywhere. So again, that's going to be my fight because that's what the media and Karen Bass people. Oh, he's just this or that. No, I'm not. I'm literally like, enough's enough. So I think, God willing, I can get past the control of the unions, because that's what I've learned is they lock in this union vote because Karen Bass promises these people favors that may actually not benefit the greater Los Angeles and all Angelenos, but that select group of voters that they lock in that vote. So once I get past that, you know, I truly believe there's a million regular, normal, taxpaying citizens who are just like, I'm voting for Spencer Pratt because he's done with this system. And then there's people that will tell me like, I just got in a big not argument debate yesterday with a lovely gentleman, the host, Entertainment Time. He's like, well, what's your qualifications or my qualifications? I have the opposite of what the current status quo has, which is a huge benefit to taxpayers. I don't have deals, I don't have favors. I'm not in with. In bed with all these people 40 years and again, I need to fire people. This is not like a hard thing. Everyone that's been involved in the last 10 years, I'm cleaning house of all these people. It'll change things so fast by bringing in fresh, new, a new way of doing things. Because the current way is obviously just increasing homelessness. And they'll. There's people that argue like murders are down first off, that doesn't factor in the person they saved in the hospital with like eight stabbings or multiple gunshots. There's more crime than ever. There's no home.
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Heather McDonald
When I see those kind of headlines, I'm like, like, it's down two and a half percent. What?
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Spencer Pratt
They're also. People don't even call 911 anymore. When I called 911 and asked them to help save my dad on January 7th, they said, oh, we can't go there. The idea that LA is doing anything but just failing, failing.
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Heather McDonald
The other thing is that you can't. You know, also the high a list people that live there, they can hire their own fire department, they can have their own security so they don't need to call the police. And now we're South Africa. Now we're where the haves and the have nots are like this and you have your. And I'm like, that's not right. We should, you know, like, I'm glad that you feel comfortable, you know, because you're, you know, in a big high on a hill with your own security and your own own thing. But we can't let it go there either. Well, I want to get to some fun stuff before you have to go.
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Spencer Pratt
Sorry.
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Heather McDonald
No, it's so good. It's.
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Spencer Pratt
I just don't have anything fun.
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Heather McDonald
Okay. I do. I have some fun stuff. Here's some hot news from Page Six. My son goes, mom, do you know who William Shatner is? I go, I go, oh, did he die? No, but according to Page Six, he was boldly. Boldly devours cereal while driving his SUV in Studio City.
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Spencer Pratt
Was it a Tesla? Because you can probably if it's a cyber truck. It's not that weird.
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Heather McDonald
People you can sell.
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Spencer Pratt
Yeah, you can do anything. I mean.
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Heather McDonald
Very funny. Okay. How do you feel about this whole Vic Victoria being a son? You have a mother. You know, your mom is the mother in law to a wife. And there's a big issue with Victoria Beckham and her daughter in law Nicola. And the latest article is Alana Hadid, which I guess is a sister to Anwar, who is Yolana and Muhammad's son, brother to Bella and Gigi. But I didn't know who Alana is. I don't know if she's like an older sister from another marriage.
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Spencer Pratt
She's the main political activist of the family.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, she is. Okay, say Alana said she shared her opinion on her Brother Anwar's ex, Nicola and said that she was always. This girl doesn't want privacy. She's been trying to be famous for a decade. And you know this long letter that Brook that Brooklyn allegedly wrote.
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Spencer Pratt
And I read it, it looked like he wrote it. I was like, maybe use chat, bro.
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Heather McDonald
I don't know. I think. Well, I think they. They're in it together. But how do you feel about the whole situation?
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Spencer Pratt
I just this morning spoke to at a real Insider.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Spencer Pratt
And it was very. I can't even give too much. But you couldn't be closer to those.
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Heather McDonald
Two to Nicola and Brooklyn.
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Spencer Pratt
And Brooklyn is a very. How do I think. I'm trying to figure out a nice way to say he's just like a. Like a whiny, brash. I think was where the quote, spoiled brat. Oh, a little B. A little B. That's what the person said.
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Heather McDonald
Okay.
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Spencer Pratt
And that she is for sure just the run in the whole show. But my takeaway is so unfortunate. When billionaires can't get along. Like, they could have bought a new soccer team together.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Spencer Pratt
You know, but her tattoo was so.
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Heather McDonald
I was like, who's tattooed Nicolas?
- [55:38]
Spencer Pratt
She got in Yiddish.
- [55:40]
Heather McDonald
Oh.
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Spencer Pratt
Like, right after, like, the letter, she, like, posted her bra shot under it. It says, like, only family or family first or family. You know, I will say, though, after our house burned down, I can't say anything negative about them because they reached out offering me hot sauce. No, Nicole in Brooklyn, they reached out, asked if I wanted some of his hot sauce.
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Heather McDonald
Oh, he has his own hot sauce.
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Spencer Pratt
He does. And then she sent me.
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Heather McDonald
Right. Because he was a chef or something.
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Spencer Pratt
Sent me some screenshots of some Pratt daddy crystals that she liked thinking that I would send them to her.
- [56:20]
Heather McDonald
Really?
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Spencer Pratt
And I was thinking to myself, my house just burned down. You are an actual billionaire and you're sending me screenshots. Like, here you go. Yeah, like, we'll send you some hot sauce. Send me some crystals. So again, I have no problem with them if they want to invite me on the mega yacht.
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Heather McDonald
Yeah.
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Spencer Pratt
I don't know if my source is true. Maybe he's not a mine. A bitch. And I could go validate off the mega yacht. But again, it's allegedly. I heard the dad is very litigious.
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Heather McDonald
Litigious?
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Spencer Pratt
Her?
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Heather McDonald
You mean her billionaire dad? Yeah, I mean, I think it's just really. I think it's really weird that it did become so public. It didn't have to be. You know what I mean? If he didn't spell out the fact that there was this weird inappropriate dance or whatever.
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Spencer Pratt
People said that witnesses said that they had their dance first though.
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Heather McDonald
And that's not right now that's coming out where it's like, no, there probably was a dance. It was after. And she in, in her, you know, in just talking about your mother. Da da, da. She might in her own brain now be like, and I didn't even have the wedding the way I wanted it. I mean, who knows what it was? But I just can't. I just have to say as a boy, mom, like your karma. If you have a son, you better hope to God this isn't because as I just really feel bad for Victoria. I feel so badly. This must be so hard. And really at this point all they can do is just be like, step aside and hope that in a couple years he comes around or it doesn't work out between the 10 or whatever. Because what she can't convince it appears David and Victoria can't convince them that they love them and feel differently. So they have to just. I, I just feel like it's almost like he's in a cult or something. And you just have to say we love you. Send a, send a card on a birthday, send a thing, text them every once in a while, even if it's unanswered. And you just, as a parent just have to. Unfortunately, as a parent, you always have to be the bigger person.
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Spencer Pratt
I saw a great tick tock. Someone who's like, this guy can't try to tell us his parents don't care about us when his dad's got a tramp stamp of his name on his, on his back. Dave Beckham's got Brooklyn on his.
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Heather McDonald
Like, what's he gonna do, add bridge? Brooklyn Bridge. Like it's his son, it's his first born. It's sad. It's just sad.
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Spencer Pratt
I will say the positive that having in laws that aren't billionaires is. I never have to worry about Heidi's parents having any power over me because I mean, I see how I could get bought off quick. Like, sorry mom, you know, I got no house of, you know, somebody's gotta pay for my hot sauce.
- [59:03]
Heather McDonald
There's that saying, a daughter is your daughter for life, a son is your son until he meets his wife.
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Spencer Pratt
Isn't that depressing also because. Or your daughter, your daughter will be your best friend for life. I don't know. Some dad.
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Heather McDonald
No, it just means that, you know, that's where the Christmases and all that stuff will be. That wasn't our Case it was always very fair. But like you know, you, you see this, I know there's a lot of boy moms out there that are looking at their cute little three year old son and you see this and you're like oh my God, that would be just so awful if that happened to me. You know, if my son just got so pussy whipped by a billionaire. He doesn't want to dance with me anymore. My son doesn't want to dance with me anymore. What?
- [59:46]
Spencer Pratt
Did you see their Christmas that they had?
- [59:48]
Heather McDonald
What?
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Spencer Pratt
How? Like I mean the lifestyle he's living.
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Heather McDonald
That's why, I mean that's the other thing. It's like he doesn't need his dad. Or even though they have money, this is a whole, they're like a percentage of what the wealth is of the girl. And yes they're famous but they still have to work at being famous. They still have to do the Netflix stocks, they still have to do the ads and the dresses.
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Spencer Pratt
And so that was a big thing. I remember years ago and I thought if that was true, I didn't like that, that obviously I go off of tabloids. But years ago for the wedding that Victoria wanted Nicola to wear Victoria Beckham design and I took, I was like if I'm a billionaire era scrolling I want the dopest hundred thousand dollar dress. I wouldn't want to wear my mother in law's design regardless if she has good designs or not. Like so if that was true, I could see off the jump where it started going sideways.
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Heather McDonald
But it was a switch. It was the other thing in that long thing where he said, he said, I thought he said something like and you know, and at the last minute you didn't do the dress for Nicola. I thought that's what that thing said.
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Spencer Pratt
Oh, I mean I skimmed it. It was so.
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Heather McDonald
No, that's what it was. But so then it turned like oh you. I didn't, you didn't help me with the dress or whatever. But you're right, you're a billionaire. You could add any dress and if you wanted to include your mother in law, easy do the bridesmaids at all and I'll wear my own costume couture.
- [61:12]
Spencer Pratt
Or whatever or give her like the materials.
- [61:14]
Heather McDonald
Hey, here you go.
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Spencer Pratt
You can work off of this diamonds.
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Heather McDonald
It's always about the dresses. You know that was the whole thing with the Meghan Markle thing.
- [61:20]
Spencer Pratt
I was just gonna say the best double date right now would be Meghan Markle.
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Heather McDonald
I said it on the last show. I said Meghan Markle Needs to reach out to them because she's always looking for some billionaires to hang out and they can all about the horrible husband's parents.
- [61:36]
Spencer Pratt
So I'm actually two of them.
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Heather McDonald
Could be like, oh, you think Victoria's a bitch? I had to deal with an actual fucking queen. A queen so I can top you.
- [61:46]
Spencer Pratt
And a king.
- [61:47]
Heather McDonald
You had a Spice Girl. I had a queen to deal with.
- [61:50]
Spencer Pratt
I am actually in talks trying to get Meghan Markle's and Harry's old PR person. I don't have the budget yet, but.
- [61:59]
Heather McDonald
I like the ninth one they fired or something.
- [62:01]
Spencer Pratt
This is like the main one. And so I'm like, if I. This is what I need to go up against Karen Bass. So I'm working on that. So wish me luck.
- [62:09]
Heather McDonald
Wow. Well, you know, imagine that announcement.
- [62:12]
Spencer Pratt
Spencer Pratt takes on Harry and Megan's former press officer.
- [62:17]
Heather McDonald
Well, go for it.
- [62:18]
Spencer Pratt
That's the case in the works.
- [62:20]
Heather McDonald
I'm just trying to save up on Summer House. I don't know if you're that familiar with the show. Due to Kyle Cook and Amanda, they finally did file for divorce. They were along. Their summer house is like, you know, like your original Hills. They were the original couple. They were the Heidi and Spencer.
- [62:38]
Spencer Pratt
They.
- [62:39]
Heather McDonald
He was kind of hated. Hannah Berner hated him. He was. They had their issues in the. In the house and. But then even though there were cheatings and. And things where he was out and drunk, she still married him. And they finally are getting divorced and he became.
- [62:58]
Spencer Pratt
He.
- [62:58]
Heather McDonald
You know, they didn't. They didn't last like you guys did.
- [63:02]
Spencer Pratt
There's a lot of dating shows they can hop on now. Yeah, there's a lot of opportunity.
- [63:06]
Heather McDonald
Why do you think people are so fascinated by the fact that you guys still are married? Just because it's Hollywood. It's reality tv.
- [63:15]
Spencer Pratt
I wish more people were fascinated by.
- [63:19]
Heather McDonald
Now we've just accepted it.
- [63:20]
Spencer Pratt
Yeah, I don't. I don't. I think now a lot of people realize how fake that show was and how much the hell is fake. And so you start like, oh, so I think that helps.
- [63:31]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [63:32]
Spencer Pratt
I think the book. Why I'm actually so excited about the book is you get to learn who Heidi really was. Because Heidi. I always say Heidi was more of the player. They just made her look like a victim on the Hills. But real Heidi was writing a book called how to Play the Player when I met her. So it was a very different. That's portrayed on the Hills.
- [63:56]
Heather McDonald
Okay. This I thought was interesting. So Pamela Anderson went on and, you know, her sons went on Howard Stern, and she said, you know, she really misses Tommy, that they can't be friends, that Dylan, their son, is getting married. And, you know, she was hoping that they could be friends, but because he's married to Brittany Furlan, she's tried to be classy about it, but we really. We aren't as close as we should have been. And I kind of thought. I feel. I'm. Listen, Brittany Furlan has been through her stuff with Tommy in the last year with this weird catfishing thing.
- [64:34]
Spencer Pratt
One of my favorite media.
- [64:36]
Heather McDonald
It is the weirdest story for too.
- [64:38]
Spencer Pratt
Long because it was so entertaining.
- [64:40]
Heather McDonald
Yeah, it was. And now they're. I guess they're still trying to get restraining orders on each other because she's.
- [64:45]
Spencer Pratt
Still saying that that guy made it all up.
- [64:47]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. And he's like, no, I wasn't going after you. And it's so bizarre. But they have been together a long time themselves, like, more than 10 years. And, you know, when the. When the doc first came out and everyone was like, oh, my God, Pamela and Tommy have to get back together. She's still in love with them. And I was like, he's married to somebody else. Like, people. And even though she has these kids, it's. They broke up when the kids were, like, 2 and 4. So it's just interesting. I just feel like it was just kind of a. A weird situation where she's like, well, you know, where people are like, oh, that's too bad. You got. They're not. They're not raising kids together. Like, why would they hang out? And then she basically said she thinks Tommy would like to hang out with her more, but she. He can't because of Britney Perlon. I mean, I don't. You're living with your second wife. I don't think she wants you having lunch with Pamela Anderson 100 now.
- [65:45]
Spencer Pratt
I mean, like, is like. I don't think this is, like, breaking news.
- [65:48]
Heather McDonald
No, no.
- [65:49]
Spencer Pratt
Howard's probably like, yeah, duh.
- [65:51]
Heather McDonald
What do you think?
- [65:52]
Spencer Pratt
This.
- [65:52]
Heather McDonald
Okay, so Jaden Smith, Will and Jada's son. He is building a fashion brand, and Vogue is featuring him. And, like, this is the backpack. It's, like, such weird. And what do you. What do you think's up with the. The Smiths?
- [66:15]
Spencer Pratt
That is a perfect example of why I used to always not want to have kids, because I was gonna be ashamed of, like, my lack of achievement. And now when I look at the most, like, I would have loved to have got to Will Smith famous how much more challenging it is to Be like Will Smith, Jada Pink, like, same with Brooklyn Beck. These people that have these kids. It's actually better for my kids that I am a technically a failure because they have way more opportunity to not end up with a three piece backpack thing set up like that. So, you know, it's just, it's hard. I can't comprehend how hard. Nepo babies is not an easy thing.
- [66:59]
Heather McDonald
I agree, I agree. Because it's like, especially when you're at that huge level because everyone is looking to say, oh, you just got this because you're a Nepo baby. But people want the Nepo baby because by having Jaden versus Joe Schmo over here do the designs, he's got the Instagram, they're gonna sell the backpacks. Like, you can't blame the machine. Like, we all need it. It's like why the Kardashians started to get covers of magazines before because they could sell magazines no one wanted to buy. So it's the same, it's the same type of thing. It is really. It is hard. And I remember like Ricky Gervais had a really funny joke of why he didn't have to kids. He's like, I'm too successful. There's no way they would, they would. Like, they're not going to go and try to be a doctor, and if they can't make it entertainment, then they're going to be kind of a heroin addict. Because it's like that part of what was the Nick Reiner thing. He was very, you know, tried to get into acting and writing with his dad and was very resentful. And one of the things that stuck out to me is that he was a regular on his friend's podcast that was about addiction or whatever. And then so he's feeling good. The guy's calling him every once in a while to come on, feeling like. And then sure enough, when can I get your dad on?
- [68:16]
Spencer Pratt
And you watch that audio that, that's on like an episode.
- [68:20]
Heather McDonald
Oh, I didn't know that. He said it on the air. I don't know where he's. No, I, I read it. That, that. Then the guy himself said, I asked Nick. We were friends. After a while, I need the bump. I was listening to this boring podcast. Can I get, you know, a writer, director, Rob Reiner on? And Nick was so pissed and he never talked to that guy again. And it's like, yeah, so now you have this resentment because your dad is really successful and truly talented and you're never gonna get to that level. Instead, you know, or you feel that you never could.
- [68:56]
Spencer Pratt
We had. I met him once on our podcast, Michael Jordan's Son. And I was just thinking, how hard is it to be you? You know, it sounds so cool.
- [69:05]
Heather McDonald
Wait, is Michael Jordan's son the one that dated Larsa?
- [69:08]
Spencer Pratt
Yes.
- [69:08]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [69:09]
Spencer Pratt
You know, and it's exactly what a. My God. Like no matter what. Oh, it's just so I purposely didn't.
- [69:18]
Heather McDonald
Want to like ever procreate with like a famous sports star because I was like, I know I have no athletic genes in my body and I sabotage. Yeah. And then that kid would be like, like barely making any team, you know.
- [69:33]
Spencer Pratt
I think luckily I prayed so much when Heidi was pregnant to have smarter children than myself that God bless them with more brain cells than I was operating with. Ever. So clearly answer prayers because Gunner wants to be an engineer and hangs out in museums for fun. And I'm like, it worked. This worked. So people are like, do you think your son will want to do reality? I'm like, no, he hangs out with his 3D printer. You know, he spends six hours watching his fighter jet get made that he designed. So no, I don't think that'll be an issue.
- [70:09]
Heather McDonald
Yeah, that is. That's so cute. Do you know that Channing Tatum is doing a Magic Mike live show in New York City?
- [70:18]
Spencer Pratt
I do because I follow him on IG and I watched him talk to his little mic thing, little nose headset. His wired headset.
- [70:27]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [70:27]
Spencer Pratt
In first class, like low key. Going on the tour. Yeah. You know, good for him. What a legend, you know? Yeah. I had abs and could dance. I would love to go on live tours as a movie star.
- [70:42]
Heather McDonald
Listen, there is not a doubt that this will be sold out. This is girls trips, this is gay trips. This is fun. This is going to be a good ass time. So I guess they did like a. They're doing like a Broadway musical of the movie. That's what I assume. Yeah.
- [70:58]
Spencer Pratt
He's clearly I was most interested about his 26 year old girlfriend that I found.
- [71:04]
Heather McDonald
You know, so wait, his other.
- [71:06]
Spencer Pratt
Maybe she's older. I thought it said 26.
- [71:08]
Heather McDonald
So wait, who was he married to originally?
- [71:11]
Spencer Pratt
Jenna Duan.
- [71:12]
Heather McDonald
And they had a kid. Then he was with Lenny Kravitz daughter Zoe. Yes. And now he's with someone else.
- [71:21]
Spencer Pratt
Yes. I only know because I saw them.
- [71:23]
Heather McDonald
I met him at a house. I met him at a Halloween party. I have a photo with him.
- [71:28]
Spencer Pratt
Better, you better cut it into this edit.
- [71:30]
Heather McDonald
Boom. Yeah, I'll find it. I'll find it. What do you think about Alex Earl Post crying late night video after Braxton breakup.
- [71:39]
Spencer Pratt
Most excited for her reality show.
- [71:42]
Heather McDonald
She has a new reality yesterday. Oh, it was. Tell me Netflix.
- [71:46]
Spencer Pratt
She did a tick tock where she walks out of the Netflix building and she's on the phone with her dad. She's like, don't worry, dad, it'll be fun. Oh, that's a.
- [71:53]
Heather McDonald
She's. She's great at the marketing.
- [71:55]
Spencer Pratt
The show's gonna be so good. Her stepmom is incredible entertainment.
- [72:00]
Heather McDonald
I've been reaching. I reached out to the stepmom though. I think a lot of people don't know how to check their tick tock DMs. But anyway, I reached out to her because I'm like, I find her fun to watch. So it's all working out for them.
- [72:12]
Spencer Pratt
Her and Heidi are going viral on Tick Tock because they were on the show in 2010 on VH1 called Famous Food and they were like best friends on the show.
- [72:22]
Heather McDonald
Oh, really?
- [72:23]
Spencer Pratt
Clips are now going viral.
- [72:25]
Heather McDonald
Have they kept in touch at all?
- [72:26]
Spencer Pratt
They have.
- [72:26]
Heather McDonald
Oh, good.
- [72:27]
Spencer Pratt
And I mean, we always loved her and I love that she ended up the way she did.
- [72:33]
Heather McDonald
Yeah. Because they've been married a while, like she and the. The dad. I've been married a while and I think they have like two little kids.
- [72:39]
Spencer Pratt
So that shows.
- [72:40]
Heather McDonald
And then Alex. And then Alex has a younger sister, Ashton. That's from the first mom, right?
- [72:46]
Spencer Pratt
Correct. So that show be.
- [72:48]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [72:48]
Spencer Pratt
So good. I love watching rich famous people.
- [72:51]
Heather McDonald
What's the best thing that has happened since the fire where like you're walking around and I assume people come up to you all the time and tell you positive things. So, like, what's the best thing that someone has told you?
- [73:08]
Spencer Pratt
You know, it's really this like senior citizens that I'll see in the Palisades like yesterday. It's. Life's so funny. This neighbor, I'm not sure she ever liked me. She definitely, I think I. She didn't like that we put up speed bumps because she drove so fast.
- [73:25]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [73:26]
Spencer Pratt
So we kind of had like a thing. But I hadn't seen her since her house burned down. And she lived near. Right near us. And I'm walking down because I always go a little hike to try to get extra mad. Just get pumped up on rage.
- [73:39]
Heather McDonald
Okay.
- [73:39]
Spencer Pratt
And as I'm walking down, she's like, Spencer. And this is always like, she's always. So I felt like did not like me.
- [73:47]
Heather McDonald
And it was.
- [73:47]
Spencer Pratt
I'm like, oh my gosh. That the neighbor and she like runs at me like hugs me and like doesn't let go and she's like thank you for it. So the people that like know what's happened to us that aren't in denial and don't go unprecedented. Oh it's Nate. People that know and those older people that are my mom's age or even older like just hold on to me so tight and you know most of them are always crying. That feels the. It's the horrible feeling but it feels that at least like Heidi thinks there's certain people that I keep alive with the hope of just exposure like get these people. So that was what she was saying the other day. She's like, I think there's people that truly just haven't died just because they're like Spencer is still fighting for what they feel so hard and they want to see that happen. So I think just that you know, obviously now I drive all around California. Pretty much I'm everywhere and there's a unanimous like hope energy that people connect with me because they're like finally somebody saying everything we feel. So that feels great. But you know when I say great everything I live every day is just tragic. Like I to stay locked in. I just focus on my kids health and that I really has grounded me and that's anything past that is just life. But as long as my kids are healthy that's how I need to maintain my mental health of because if you look at what has happened it's. You know a lot of people have just died. Like there's so many people that just.
- [75:32]
Heather McDonald
Look, you look great. I know you have a cold today but you look great. And prior to the fires you were just doing burrito videos and after the little after.
- [75:42]
Spencer Pratt
Yeah, yeah.
- [75:43]
Heather McDonald
Where are the burritos in your life now?
- [75:46]
Spencer Pratt
Well I have had a couple. I didn't post them because one of them I cut open and I was so ashamed I used a fork and like eight out of it. It was embarrassing. But you know I've tried to now get in shape because what I deal with all day long is so tolling on just like cortisol levels and these spikes and trying to balance just managing that flight or fight energy that I stay in the fight so much that I need to. So no more burritos. Also tick tock. I don't know if you saw my post yesterday. They just switched my account to a government organization. They consider me a politician now. So I no longer have access to Heidi's music or Enya. And Enya was my Burrito song. Oh, so now there's. It's done. You know, it's not even a possibility. So. Yeah, that's another great part about being a. A mayoral candidate. All of my accounts had to be demonetized. So. Not that you make so much money off YouTube or tick tock or Instagram, but it was still money. Yeah, but so that's all gone. So that's awesome.
- [77:04]
Heather McDonald
And when you finally said, no, Heidi, I am gonna run. You might be first lady of Los Angeles. Heidi Montauk Pratt. Was she like, absolutely you? Do you or was she. No, don't do it, please.
- [77:19]
Spencer Pratt
Heidi's so on the God mode where she's like, if it's God's will, honey, like, good luck. You know, clearly that'll be. If you win, that's from God, so we'll figure it out there. So, you know, I'm not saying she's. Yeah, yeah. Being positive about it.
- [77:35]
Heather McDonald
Yeah, yeah.
- [77:36]
Spencer Pratt
She's very like, whatever God's will is, honey. Yeah. But yesterday, because she's dealing with our respectfully insane children that I think maybe she gives them too much red meat. And they're on barbarian Savage Boat. Her favorite movie is Four Christmases. And we have those two kids where they're punching and like, say my name, bitch. Like, so. So yesterday she texted me, hey, change of plans. I'm gonna run for mayor. You're gonna stay at home with the kids, so maybe there's gonna be a swap for the next race. Maybe. But no, she's. She's all in it. And yeah, it's. It my whole thing that I keep going back to because out of such tragedy, you have to talk to God so much because there's nobody else you can talk to. And you're like, God, what? How'd you burn my parents house down? Or let this happen? Or like, you know, you really start questioning your faith. And out of this, I keep going back to, well, if God was going to let anyone's house burn down, if he wanted some change and to save people's lives or make a difference, you'd burn my house down? And then you burn Janet Pratt's house down. Because I have to talk to my crying mom every day, no matter what, all day. So even if I think to be like, this is a lot, check in with my mom, who's hysterically crying or who's fallen for the third time. So I've really gotten more connected with that purpose that I'm like, oh, you know, this could be the path. And that helps me to make more sense of the tragedy that there could be a bigger picture out of it that has way more purpose.
- [79:30]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [79:30]
Spencer Pratt
And if I don't do that it's just so dark and just.
- [79:34]
Heather McDonald
I think, I think it's great what you're doing and I don't think you'll regret any of it because the whole thing is, you know, when God does give you a talent and it's your voice and your ability to expose this, if you don't use it then that's the real sin, you know.
- [79:52]
Spencer Pratt
So the one thing that it's how they fight me about how like what's your experience to do this? I. The funniest part is after you read my book I have 20 years of the. The most elite training to deal with this new world I'm in where the people doing what they're doing are. They're on page one of my book. In the scheme of what I've already been against in because politics is media and control of narratives. This is. I've been up against the system at a way more powerful level when it used to really be one controlled thing. Now it's so fragmented. It's actually a lot easier. But coming back to the book I. My training is all my failures. Yeah. In the game. So good luck guys. You're up against your worst nightmare.
- [80:51]
Heather McDonald
I love you Spencer. And I'm so glad that we're friends. And then I'm so glad that I can call you at any time and you'll answer the phone and this is the book.
- [81:02]
Spencer Pratt
Yeah. Don't text me.
- [81:03]
Heather McDonald
I cannot.
- [81:03]
Spencer Pratt
Blake.
- [81:05]
Heather McDonald
I'm very excited to read it. Please order it right now or go to your bookstore or buy it for some friends. It's a juicy. You'll get a juicy ass. Read about it. Everything else. Tell everybody where they can go.
- [81:21]
Spencer Pratt
It would be the ultimate troll because the New York Times try to take me down so hard with their profile. To be able to become the New York Times best number one best selling author would just be like, like just one of those. Hahaha.
- [81:35]
Heather McDonald
Yeah.
- [81:35]
Spencer Pratt
Also I can't wait. God willing, you know because now newsome when he calls me like a washed up seamless reality so I could be like oh you forgot New York Times number one best selling author. You know, so it will give me that, you know, when they try to take down my credibility. So I do really care about you know, I don't know financially what I've learned from music, how many books it'll take to rebuild a house. But for the. I'M very excited for the opportunity for clout that it could give.
- [82:05]
Heather McDonald
It's, it's great. It's. I'm so happy for you.
- [82:07]
Spencer Pratt
So if you are rich, which a lot of juicy scoopers are, do the 10 book thing, please.
- [82:13]
Heather McDonald
Yes. You know, and go around, give it to your neighbors, your friends, spread the word. And, you know, and it's, it'll, it's, it'll be a juicy, fun read for you. Anyway, thank you so much, everybody. Love you. Bye.