Julian Dorey (2:12)

Hey, whatever you're into, we don't judge around here.

Joey Deef (2:15)

But got the job.

Julian Dorey (2:16)

Yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll get to that. We are going to discuss our, our, our dear friend Lorna over at JP Morgan, who is innocent. Absolutely innocent. And, and we're gonna, we're gonna go through all that as well. We like to have fun around here, but we'll also get to a little bit of Erica Kirk stuff. We have to do it. There's There's a tweet I put out that also went pretty viral this week that I think kind of summed it up well. So I'll go through some of that. And Spirit Airlines, Joe taking a header favorite. You hate to see it. What happened? Bankruptcy.

Joey Deef (2:52)

What am I going to do about my credit card Spirit rewards?

Julian Dorey (2:55)

I don't know. I don't know. I've flown a lot of Spirit in my day. No cap.

Joey Deef (3:00)

Yeah, I mean that's. It's the funnest flight. The most fun flight.

Julian Dorey (3:03)

Yes. Your knees get a lot of discipline from them, you know. Very well. Yeah. Very tight in there.

Joey Deef (3:10)

Yeah. Motown music.

Julian Dorey (3:11)

Yeah. You ever raw dog a spirit flight?

Joey Deef (3:14)

I feel like you kind of have to.

Julian Dorey (3:16)

Yeah.

Joey Deef (3:16)

They don't have, they don't have screens.

Julian Dorey (3:17)

There's no screens or anything but like no headphones. Just stare forward and get through like a two and a half hour flight to Myrtle Beach.

Joey Deef (3:23)

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

Julian Dorey (3:25)

Good stuff. Yeah, it's character building.

Joey Deef (3:27)

It's good for you.

Julian Dorey (3:28)

Yes, very good for you. So we, we'll get to that. There's also an interesting report that dropped analyzing a State Department cable that went out very under the radar. If we get to the, if we don't get that today, I will cover that next week. But we are going to lead off this episode with what has been long promised, which is the full behind the scenes investigation that I participated in with Discovery Channel about Jeffrey Epstein's death. Because that episode did air on Discovery Channel the other day. I see loads of DMS of people asking me where you can watch it. You can watch it on YouTube TV if you have that. The show is called Conspiracies Cover Ups. I believe it was episode five. It's a 41 minute episode kind of show stuff and I'm going to give you all the color commentary of what it didn't show. More on that in a second but it'll eventually be on HBO Max as well. So for those of you who are unfamiliar, I actually posted an Instagram video back in January basically asking all of you or everyone who follows me on Instagram at Julian D. Dory. By the way, if you don't follow me over there, we whether or not I should do what I was invited to do with Discovery Channel with, with Andy Bustamante. So for people who don't know Andy Bustamante, he is the formerly now long hair, curly haired CIA guy. He has chopped off all the hair which from a PR perspective, Andy, big mistake. But anyway, I go way back with Andy with Respect to my show. He was back on episode 97. 107. 150-24299 and 3:34, I believe. And then we also did some crossovers with Danny on. I think that was concrete 166 and concrete. And then Danny Jones, when he changed the name to it, I want to say 206 as well. So I've probably been on camera with the guy on air 24 hours over time, obviously, he and I have some intense disagreements on certain worldviews. I have always maintained publicly and privately to him, he's a very good sport about it. That I have no doubt he is still associated with CIA, even if it's indirectly. I don't think he ever leave in some ways. And he's certainly no John Kiriakou with respect to being a dissident to CIA. Hey, guys, if you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five star review. They're both a huge, huge help. Thank you. Nonetheless, the reason I asked publicly on Instagram what you guys thought and put a poll out as to whether or not I should do this is because I've never done traditional TV before and I get very concerned about how stuff gets cut up. If I could get taken out of context and, you know, not for nothing, but in the past, you know, I've had some horror stories told on my podcast by various people over the years about some things that Discovery channel has done, and that gave me a lot of pause. So when I asked you, when I explained the opportunity and asked you guys on Instagram whether or not I should do it, the poll was almost about 8020 that I should do it. The 20% who said I shouldn't were very loud. And I fully understand why, but. But my friend Sean actually summed up a response that I got from a few different people the best that kind of put me over the top with like, all right, let's do it. He was like, hey, do it. You've talked about it publicly beforehand. Give people a heads up that you're doing it, which is why I've done that in previous episodes. And then once it comes out, if there's things you have a problem with, you know, you can clear the record and explain everything that happened. I want to start off by saying, you know, it's unfortunate that they have to edit down into 41 minutes an investigation that clearly was about probably 18 hours worth of work, which was more than just me on there, by the way. I'll get to that. In a minute. But, like, you know, I. I don't think they really took stuff out of context or anything. I thought they did as good a job as they could do. I still want to watch it again to take, like, closer notes. But as far as, like the T. First of all, the production team I worked with out there, which is not Discovery Channel, I forget the name of it, but the whole team was fucking awesome. Andy's team was amazing. I'll get to like what that looked like and everything, but they put the edit together into Discovery Channel, signs off on it, and it came out fine. That said, when we were there that day, my day alone was an eight hour shoot. And when you combine all the other experts, I'll talk about Andy again. Probably filmed about 18 hours worth of content. He and I, you know, we know how independent we come from the independent media world, so we know how that works. And TV is a whole different beast that he has a little more familiarity with now. And we were just looking at each other like, man, how the hell are you gonna knock this down? Because there are so many intricate things in this investigation, effectively, like just that day alone, I was there. We recorded two documentary full length podcasts that really needed all the details and breathing because it was very free flowing. The only cuts we had, like, takes, if you were when my New Jersey ass went a little too far, and I'd be like, you know, I was. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, this is tv. Like. Like that. Let me say that again. That was really dumb. You know, stuff like that. And then the other example would be once we would finish filming something, if we were looking through pages, they'd be like, all right, now we're gonna come behind with the cameras. You don't have to say anything. Just scroll through the same pages you were with your finger for B roll. The rest of it was literally cameras rolling. Everybody goes to explain what we investigated in detail in four segments, worked around commercials, is extremely difficult because the investigation was related to Epstein's death. Now here's the full context. Once I decided to do it, Andy had asked me to do this. And then once we went out and put the poll and everyone was like, do it. I said, okay, I'll do it. And his set is out in Colorado. So I flew out there the last weekend in February, got in there on a Friday night, went to bed, got up to take a piss at about 3:30, maybe 4am and Colorado time. And something inside me was like, why do I feel like we invaded Iran? Wow. Yeah, my dumb ass never does this. But I took my phone out because I'm like, I just want to make sure we didn't do it. And voila. We had invaded Iran. So I didn't sleep the rest of the night. I was beside myself about it. So I'm like fucking exhausted. It's a 7:15am car ride out of their call to go to set, so I'm like, oh shit.

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Julian Dorey (11:20)

So I go to set and Andy has a buddy who owns like a liquor store out in Colorado and below the liquor store where they got all the wine, like storage and, and liquored, like literally, exactly, literally stored. It's this almost speakeasy prohibition kind of vibe. And in the back of it, he and the team set up this like elaborate set for this show that he's doing, which I believe has eight episodes. In the first season. This was episode five. It was really cool. I was very, very impressed. And so Andy had never told me the context of what we would be discussing as it relates to Epstein. He'd only told me like, we're gonna look at the Epstein case. And he said, I want to do it like your podcast, which is I never know what the I'm going to talk about when I go in there. Why don't I do that on you now and we'll just discuss the case and I'll tell you when you get here what we're actually going to be looking into. So I said, fine. And so we start off with an over an hour long recording of just the two of us sitting on set and Andy effectively interviewing me all about the case. And it was. I ain't gonna lie. Like, we've done so much content together that, like, obviously the chemistry is great, but it was fire. Like, we went through so many different ends and loops and holes of the case. And I was also shocked at Mr. CIA Langley himself, Andy Bustamante, exploring a few things right during this conversation, which in, you know. Because I always fuck with Andy and, like, he's a good sport about it, but I'm, like, looking at him and I'm. I'm looking at the film crew. I'm breaking the fourth wall, like, every five minutes, like, looking at the camera,

Joey Deef (13:04)

like, you hear this guy?

Julian Dorey (13:06)

Yeah. What's the angle here? What's. What's he doing? He used to deny all this. Yeah, but we were going through all these things, and at the end they go, all right, rap. That's great. Quick break and then we'll do, like, the next segment. The next thing. And the crew was like, it's such a shame we're only going to use, like, 30 seconds of that. That was awesome. I'm like, oh, God damn it. You're only used 30 seconds. They're like, yeah, man, that's just the exposition.

Joey Deef (13:30)

That's biz.

Julian Dorey (13:30)

That's biz. That's hardcore biz. But at the very end, before we wrapped, that was when he told me what we would be investigating. He looks at me and he goes, said something along the lines of, yeah, there's just so much here with this case. And as I told you before you came, I didn't want to specifically go through what I had decided to investigate for this episode so that you could kind of be surprised. But after looking at everything, I thought the best decision that. That I could make to reexamine something about this case would be investigating the death of Jeffrey Epstein himself. And at that moment, in my head, I kind of went, ah, really? Like, this is. This is the most stereotypical one. Like, he didn't commit suicide. Like, what? Can't we investigate something? All right, whatever. But then he says, now if you wouldn't mind join, I'd like you to look to your right. So I turn over to the right, and there's a giant door with two, like. Like a prison door with two caution tape signs over it. And actually, can you pull up Andy's Instagram?

Joey Deef (14:39)

Yeah, Deep.

Julian Dorey (14:40)

Because he has a picture of it on there. And. And I immediately, like, kind of go, wow, that looks familiar. And he goes, behind that door is a place that I'm going to take you in a few Minutes after this next break. And effectively, what it is is Jeffrey Epstein cell. And I was like, what? And he goes, we rebuilt Jeffrey Epstein cell based on all the data of what it actually looked like, down to the detail, including the pill bottles on the bed. And now I'm, like, looking at the crew like, oh, here we go. Like, okay, maybe I underestimated this a little bit. So we take a quick break. We come back down. He's like, all right, you ready to go? Like, yeah. Now let me give a little exposition on the show. Okay? So you guys have context on what it was. For people who haven't seen it, the way the show ended up coming out was there were 1, 2, 3. I think it was four segments. The first segment was a little intro that showed me and Andy. And then Andy talking on remote interviews with Dr. G reacts from YouTube, who's done some great work on this case, where Dr. G walks him through the footage that we do have from outside the cell that night and questions about the government's idea of what exactly happened. And then there's a segment where Andy. And this was the weekend before I was there, where Andy flies in Bill Mercy, I believe his name is, who was Jeffrey Epstein's suicide watch buddy. Like, he was the inmate who was assigned to watch Jeffrey while he was on suicide watch and became friends with him, believe it or not, while he was in prison there. Effectively, like, Bill Mercy was in jail for a year and a day at MCC for some tax evasion or something. He had never been, like, a convict or anything like that, but they decided to put him here, and so he was given that role. And Bill Mercy has always maintained that Jeffrey Epstein was highly depressed and absolutely committed suicide. You know, and that's. People hear that. They're like, what? Come on. But he said Epstein would talk about how depressed he was, yada, yada, yada, or whatever. And so Andy had brought him in the weekend before, sat him down just like he did with me, for an hour, got the guy to say all the things that he said before, which is like, for example, he's. He said that Jeffrey would be talking with him, and then he'd be like, you know what, Billy? I'm tired. And he would lay back and fall asleep right away.

Joey Deef (17:17)

Yeah, I remember that.

Julian Dorey (17:18)

But allegedly, this is someone who's supposed to be suffering from sleep apnea and who's extremely stressed, but he could fall asleep right away.

Joey Deef (17:26)

The one thing he said that I found interesting, too, is he's like.

Julian Dorey (17:29)

He's a.

Joey Deef (17:29)

He was a really like regular nobody type guy, which, like when you, when you look at all the pictures and all, like you think this guy thinks he's on top of the war, it was just very. That was very interesting to me. Yeah.

Julian Dorey (17:41)

He was basically saying he wasn't entitled.

Joey Deef (17:44)

Yeah, exactly. Like he was very, like down to earth and salt of the earth. Yes, that's weird.

Julian Dorey (17:50)

And he said obviously he had this disgusting other side to him, but I never saw that when I was with him, which was fascinating for him to say that. But the reason Andy wanted him to repeat some of these things is because it's like depressed, suicide, sleep apnea. But he can sleep. Right. Like, there's things that weren't clocking there. And there were some other details as well, and some of them I'm not remembering, so I don't want to say. But once Andy had talked to him and Bill said on camera, yeah, he absolutely committed suicide. He did the same thing to Bill where. Or his name was Billy Mercy. Yeah, yeah, he did the same thing to Billy Mercy where he said, here's his cell back here and you were there. So you'll be able to tell us how good a job we did rebuilding it takes Bill into the cell. And Bill was like, this is perfect. This is exactly what his cell was. And so here's the first place where I want to say there was a difference with how they had to do the final edit on the show versus what I heard once Bill looked at the cell on the show and they, you know, they can only show like 60 seconds worth of Andy walking him through things in the cell, when in reality he was probably standing in the cell with Andy for like an hour and a half going through every detail. Geez. But the wrap up of that segment is Billy Mercy saying something on camera like, well, I have to admit there are some new questions I have now. You've certainly opened the door to some new abilities. What I heard is that he basically walked out of there shook like everything that he thought was not what it was. That is the. That is the takeaway. Damn that other people had there. And I think that's important to be able to say. Again, it's tough for them to like edit some things down to camera.

Joey Deef (19:39)

Yeah, that's. I mean, that's rough. That's a lot of footage to edit down.

Julian Dorey (19:43)

So then he brought in. He also brought in, in that segment in New York Post reporter quickly on some background on. On zoom to go through. I forget what it was. A couple things involved with what happened in the cell that night. And then it got to our segment. So I told you what we did when we first got there, and then the fact that we went into the cell now, we spent a long time in the cell, and what made the cut there is very, very limited. When I went in there, my thought was that, oh, wow, Andy's actually going to open up to the possibility that this guy was murdered. What I didn't expect was that it was going to go well beyond that. So we get in there. You can see a screenshot of it right here. This is from the episode. This was one of the camera angles. And I was stunned at how much it looked the same. And Andy had. You can see me holding papers right there. Oh, do we got to plug that in? All right, so it's going to be up on the screen in a second. You're going to see the cell in one second, and you're going to see me holding papers, which were all these shots of inside the cell from every angle. So we can see it. So now it's up on the screen right here. You can see the pill bottles up top, the windows. They had the walls built perfectly and everything. We're going to get to the L on the wall in a second. And so Andy also had outside. And he told me this right before we walked in, every single available government report from any agency or bureau that was disseminated to the public in full binder form right there for us to review, which he had done an extensive review on, and found all kinds of things that lacked commonalities, most of which actually almost none of that segment made the cut. Because when we left the. When we left the cell, we went outside and he and I broke. Compared documents and broke down pages for a couple hours, and it was like, whoa. So as a quick preview, one of the things that we discussed there is something that has now been discussed a lot in public that he was able to confirm through the FBI report, the DOJ report, and some of the exhibits listed within in some cases that contradicted each other. But it was. It was unanimous that Jeffrey Epstein had testified in a deposition that he did not have a pancreas. But in the autopsy, they found a pancreas. Hey, guys, I said pancreas. I meant to say prostate. Sorry, ignore that. As I keep saying pancreas here and discussed that it was normal pancreas.

Joey Deef (22:28)

That's not good.

Julian Dorey (22:29)

It's total. And. And I could see Andy, like, even before we got outside the cell, when we were still in the cell, going through all the Exercises, some of which I don't think he went through with Billy Mercy, because I started throwing out other possibilities. He was like, oh, let's try that. You know, I could see him. How do I explain this? Like, Andy, if. If you know him, or if you at least if you've seen a lot of content of him, he is a annoyingly black and white kind of guy. Just like, oh, this is what it is. You can show him the worst thing ever. He's like, wow, it sucks. You know, he doesn't get here or here. Like, you know, he'll get mad at stuff. When he's trying to make a point, he feels like he's right and you're telling him you're wrong, but he doesn't react to things like a lot of us do.

Joey Deef (23:24)

Yeah, he's a 01 guy.

Julian Dorey (23:26)

Yeah. But I could see he was perplexed, like, what the is going on here? And so when we were in the cell in the Discovery Channel cut, they had like, the one line, this was the one disappointing part where I was discussing, like, oh, the will then to stay there if your feet are on the ground and let yourself hang. You know, that doesn't make any sense. But that's just one possibility. The way these guys can commit to suicide off the bed are numerous. And again, we're discussing this in an educational manner. This is for YouTube, because we've been having some serious monetization problems on YouTube behind the scenes. I don't like talking about that publicly, but I have to say things like this. Everything we're discussing here is based on a public case with government available data. There is nothing here related to how to do anything or anything like that that is not purely for educational purposes. And obviously we do not condone any actions that Jeffrey Epstein may or may not have taken. Sorry, I gotta do that, people. But there's two ends of the bed. If we can pull that up again. Beef. And, you know, Andy had all the. All the bed sheets, the orange bed sheets, like, to a T, what they had been in there and everything he had access to, which was fucking crazy, by the way.

Joey Deef (24:46)

I mean, this is insane that he

Julian Dorey (24:48)

had access to all that stuff, you know, and we determined based on the government reports they had said that he did the deed on the right side right behind Andy, right there. Can we pull that up? Yep, it's up. It's up. So he did the deed on the right side right there. And there was some argument. I don't have the reports in front of me where it's like, well, did he do it lower or higher? We looked at every possibility, and the most, the possibility that a human being could get themselves to do without then having to fight the will of life would require Jeffrey Epstein in this case, to jump in a way where he breaks his neck immediately so that he cannot fight back. And so the best way to do that, based on the tools he had and how the cell was found, was to basically use that orange strand that you see right behind Bustamante hanging from the ledge that was through a keyhole, sit up on the edge of the bed up there, tie it around his neck, get into a crouch position, and with that very small, he had it down to the inch. How long that thing was with that very small strand be able to leap far enough to not hit his head on the bed because there were no contusions on the back of his head. That was a key part of the report. Meaning he would have had to jump out.

Joey Deef (26:20)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (26:20)

Wow. And not hit his head.

Joey Deef (26:22)

Yep.

Julian Dorey (26:22)

And so Andy and I did that, but he had a test dummy too. But that was exactly 6 foot 2 scale, Jeffrey Epstein size. I said, I looked at Andy and I brought up the contusion part and I said, Andy, LeBron James couldn't make that jump. Like, look at the length of the, of, of the, of the bed sheet. Look at where he's sitting. Even if he got to. And this is a 60 something year old man. Even if he got down into a fully athletic position and then made the leap from like this form out and ahead, his head will whip back and it will hit 100%. Basically like a raised edge, metal edge of the bed. Without a doubt. And Andy then, dude, he was being so aggressive.

Joey Deef (27:07)

Yeah, dude, I was like, I was cracking up.

Julian Dorey (27:09)

Yeah. But like, you didn't see the tests. When he was doing the tests, I was like, they had a, they had a cameraman.

Joey Deef (27:17)

Can you put it.

Julian Dorey (27:17)

Do we have camera five on? We don't, but they had a cameraman in the corner behind that wall right there.

Joey Deef (27:24)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (27:24)

And I was just standing there, like looking at the cameraman while he's doing this. Like, why does he look like he's done this a lot before with a body? He was playing. He was like, so if I took it like this, just like watch him and it's not like watching a, you know, MMA fighter or jiu jitsu master.

Joey Deef (27:46)

No.

Julian Dorey (27:46)

Doing something. It was, it was like, yes. It was like watching someone who was getting ready to clean up a body.

Joey Deef (27:54)

Jeez.

Julian Dorey (27:54)

As I'm, I'm like, yeah, because Andy's career was interesting. It started off as a failure and then ended up in some interesting places, if you know his story. But that's. That's a separate issue for another day. And so he went through every way and he's. And, and then he, like, sat on the edge of the bed and looked up at me and he's like, yeah, no, he couldn't have done that. And so then we went to the left side of the bed, which made no sense according to any report or what was found. But we said, if they totally lied about everything and it was over there, how would you. How would he have done it? I don't even remember what we did there, but it wasn't even possible. It wasn't possible without him sitting on the ground. It wouldn't have made any sense. Nothing there would have made sense. So then he. This is when he says, let's walk out of here and let's review the reports. We go through the pancreas thing. We also, between. We had the DOJ manual open and the FBI manual. Manual. The. The official reports of Jeffrey Epstein's death open, and there were discrepancies between the two everywhere. I'm not even going to list them out. I can't even remember all of them. We lost count. I want to say, like, photographic memories saying it was like, page 76 to 79 of the FBI report had, like, this isn't like that. This isn't like that. Like, looking over back at the doj. This isn't like that. This is. We were sitting there and we were dumbfounded, looking at each other. All the while, I'm saying to Andy, like, he's asking me. He's like, so how are you feeling about this, Julian? And I would, like, I went from being like a jokester and having fun, like, in a good way, where we're having good rapport, getting good content, to getting more and more speechless and reserved, which most of the tape you see of me is when I was very speechless and reserved. None of the, like, excited moments, which there were a lot, really made the cut.

Joey Deef (29:48)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (29:49)

So I was getting more like, what the fuck?

Joey Deef (29:53)

And.

Julian Dorey (29:54)

And he's asking me again, like, how I'm feeling. And I'm turning to Annie and I'm. And I'm looking back at the cameraman. Look at. Looking at the camera. I'm looking at Andy, and I'm like, you. Are you suggesting what I think you're like, you, Andy Bustamante, Mr. No conspiracies ever exist. Everything's Occam's razor. It's all just stupidity. You know, the fucking Santa Claus isn't real. Are you suggesting that Jeffrey Epstein is still alive? And he said something along the lines to me of saying, I'm suggesting that. I'm looking at the reports, and I'm very perplexed. It doesn't add up to me now. My head's going back all the way to our very first recording. I remember episode 97. I want to say it's like, 45 minutes into it. This is back in April 2022. We recorded this. It came out at the beginning of May 2022. Andy. And this is before I knew the actual backstory of his career. So we were talking about things that they did without me also knowing, like, some of the things he literally did in a very foreign place that might rhyme with Schmeiner, you know, it might. I don't know. That's just what I've heard. But, you know, he talked about exfiltrations and how easy, like, I remember him being like, oh, yeah, you know, sometimes. Listen. Sometimes if you're burned, you know, they'll just. They'll. There's ways. There's multiple ways to do it. One of the ways he discussed was, like, taking people out in a canister and giving them MREs, and they just live in a tanker truck unit for, like, four days. An MRE is all the military people out there listening. You guys know exactly what it is, but it's like, you know, set up little meal plans, if you will.

Joey Deef (31:47)

Sustenance. That's what it is.

Julian Dorey (31:50)

Hey, I was trying to talk it up.

Joey Deef (31:52)

No, I'm sure the military guys will back me up on that. It's like trauma.

Julian Dorey (31:57)

But I'm starting to think about this as I'm like, all right, if they got him out, how did they do it?

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Julian Dorey (33:00)

And it was around this point where Andy says to me, what if I told you that the prison. The official Bureau of Prisons layout of the units, like the architecture. The architecture. The official report that I have right here of the actual mcc, or whatever it's called.

Joey Deef (33:19)

Like the straight up blueprints.

Julian Dorey (33:20)

Yes. And he opens it up to that page. What if I told you that it's wrong for one cell in particularly?

Joey Deef (33:28)

No way.

Julian Dorey (33:29)

And I was. And literally I was like. I was like Ben Affleck in the town. When they see the cop after that whole chase, and the cops just like looking right at him and he's like, are you gonna do it? Like, I literally looked at him like that. And he goes, let's go back to the cell. So again, if you can pull this up, you can see that there is a full corner of this cell. So the door is. But is directly behind my back. And the corner of the cell makes an indented L in the room. It's an. And what Andy discovered is that it was a vent. It was an air duct. There's effectively an 8 by 4 room on the other side of that. Wow. That you can get into and you cannot see. That's why that was that funny meme from the. From the show. I'll pull it up right here on my phone so you can see it. I put this on Instagram. But there's a hilarious meme where he had me go stand looking through the prison door like this. And he took the dummy, like he was choking it behind the L to demonstrate. He was like, julian, can you see me? And I'm like, nope. So I'm staring through the door. I put this up on Instagram because someone needs to make a meme out of this. But this is what? Can you see it? Deep. Yeah, this is what it looked like. You see him shaking it?

Joey Deef (34:56)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (34:57)

Right? And he's like, I could be killing him right here and you would not know. So I'm looking through and I cannot see behind that L. Meaning if a security guard. Those people were out to lunch, but if they were standing at the door, right. They literally wouldn't be able to tell if anything, whether it's someone killing him or. Or someone putting them in the vent, putting a new person in there, a body double, or whatever it is they Wouldn't be able to see it on that end. He then walked through with me. And this is. I had a full blown redux, redux to episode 97. During this, he. He walked through exactly a 72 hour period. How Jeffrey Epstein, if it needed to be that long, would survive in there. And then proceeded to very nonchalantly be like 72 hours. We wouldn't need 72 hours. He said, I've determined this mission to get him out of this prison is very easy. It could have been done with three people, one of whom is an in my inmate on the take. Three people. And then wild. And then he walked me through like a. Like a serial killer walking through. It's gonna sound so bad, but whatever. Like a serial killer walking through. Exactly how something so crazy and evil is done. He was like, step one. I don't even remember it. Laundry, car, this guy. You get this type of prisoner right over there. It's approximately 15 minutes after X, Y or Z. I don't remember the details what it was. You have one guy outside who's working with some sort of, you know, foreign nation. Nations. I think he said, you know. Cause he's like, this is a. That was the other thing Andy was going to like. This is this. You know, the guy worked with Israel. And he seems pretty confident on that. I obviously agree. Seems to shy away from the CIA's guilt in the matter. I disagree with him on that part.

Joey Deef (37:02)

You know, true company, zero ties to the CIA.

Julian Dorey (37:05)

I, I don't want to say Andy said zero, it's just that was a part of the conversation that conveniently would be not brought up. But there's also other places. Because what Andy seems to be getting with is that, you know, the whole elite kind of cabal of all different psychos around the world, like Jeffrey Epstein was wired into that. And as a side note, like I said, this is the day the Iran war was breaking out. So when we first got in there, and we're sitting in, in the back room before we started, and Andy and I are just, you know, catching up, whatever. I looked at him, I'm like, dude, what the. And he's like, I know, man, I know. He's like, I saw it coming. But it's up. Like that's the way he said. I'm like, no, Sherlock. But I'm like, what is happening? The ayatollah wasn't dead for another four hours.

Joey Deef (37:57)

I was gonna say maybe his ghost woke you up in the middle of the night, but he wasn't dead yet.

Julian Dorey (38:02)

I Don't know, bro. But no, it wasn't the Ayatollah. We found out, like, halfway through the shoot. I was eating like a Quest bar. I'm like, andy, they whacked the Ayatollah. He's like, yeah, it sounds about right. You know, it was like. It was, like, really surreal. But I. I forget how it came up, but we're talking about the war, and I'm just, like, beside myself, and I'm like, who's this for, man? This is not in our interest. You know it and I know it. And he goes, no, it's not. And then Andy, in prototypical Andy fashion, said. And he said it better than that. He has such a way with words. Like, it's so annoying. Like, how perfectly he'll put something that you don't want to hear. That also sometimes is total propaganda, but times it's like, yeah, that's actually right. He cooked. He said, yeah, the. The two wildest days at CIA are the day you learn how the world really works and the day you learn how. How you can operate within it at CIA. And then he goes, that first day is a really tough day. He was talking about, like, the Rockefellers and. Yeah, in the context. And like, the Rothschilds in the context of the conversation. And basically confirming to me that these ideas that, like, they're pulling some strings and the intelligence is just a fucking tool of it. That's what Andy Bustamante was saying this, like, again, Mr. Langley himself, which makes me think a little bit. I. I don't know whether I'm proud of him or suspicious, maybe both. But, you know, we're having that conversation off camera about the context of a real world event going on, and then come back on camera here, where he's talking about who would be interested in getting him out. To me, that's what he was alluding to. You know, all these different people. It's not one or two, it's all of them. And he was just remarking to me how easy it would be. That's what stuck with me. And I. I was having, like. I've never thought the guy killed himself. I. Oh, Epstein. I always had to leave a possibility out there, you know, 0.0, that maybe he did. But I've always been on record, the guy was whacked. I really hadn't been a. Oh, he's still alive guy. I've thought about it before. I've thought about it.

Joey Deef (40:26)

You have to.

Julian Dorey (40:27)

I've thought about it. Fun, but. Yeah, it's fun, but I was like, nah, you know, they would change the ear in the picture to say, look, it doesn't match his ear. And it would be visually changed. Stuff like that. And I'm like, ah. But then a week before this, John Kiriakou and I had recorded and John believed he had killed himself. And John will change his opinion when he has better evidence. I. I still have to talk to him about everything we looked at here, but, you know, obviously a lot of people disagree with that take. That said, it was the Intro to episode 388, where after he had said that part, I brought up the idea of, like, if you wanted to exfiltrate someone out of there, how would you do it? And he said, I'd have a body that everyone can see and went through the whole thing and. And, like, made it sound so easy. Like, yeah, of course they can do body doubles and like that. And so now I'm thinking about that. Which, by the way, the Discovery Channel team put that in the episode. Yeah. Yeah, they put a bunch of Kiriaku stuff in there, including that clip from our podcast. Andy was probably like, No, I think. I think Andy was. Andy's not like that. Like, Andy's like, hey, whatever you need for content, baby. Like, he's. He's. That. I respect that a lot about him. He doesn't care. Like, when people are shredding him about stuff, he's like, whatever, you know? And obviously in the Danny Jones podcast, which. With Kiriaku and Andy, which was recorded back in August 2024, it's an amazing podcast, by the way. You know, what's. What's wild. I've said this before on camera on these episodes, 80 to 85% of it, John and Andy, like, agree with each other, which was nuts. And then in the second hour, there's like a period where Andy tries to go at John and, like, you know, John got him just straight up. And Andy's points. What I've said before is I don't think Andy actually believes that. The things he was literally saying to John, because I look at, like, how Andy lives his life and the things he does, and I'm like, he does, like, the opposite of that. And that's where it's like, I just representing Langley or whatever. But, you know, like, I think Andy was like. Because we were talking about the Kiriaku podcast when we were out there. It was like a great podcast, you know, like, he. He had seen it, so I think he probably wanted some of that in there because the context was very relevant for what we were doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, with that stuff.

Joey Deef (42:52)

I was teasing.

Julian Dorey (42:53)

It worked more on Kurt Metzger in a minute, but. But I just was having a total because again, I'm filming with a TV crew, which I'm already like a little. The crew was awesome, like I said. But you're still like, skeptical of how this is going to come out. And I don't want to be an idiot, but I'm like, reacting live and I'm just. I was speechless. I had nothing. I'm like, andy, this guy's alive, isn't he? And he's like, that's why I brought you here. I'm investigating. I don't know. But everything Andy's pointing to is like, yeah, he's alive. So the last. On the show that didn't come up till the last five minute segment. And this is where Andy hedged. This is. This is where he hedged, I believe. And I can't speak for Andy Bustamante because, like, he has not said this confirmed verbally to me. I believe Andy believes they got him out. But when he went to do the final part of the show, like the last minute where he's like, at CIA, they teach us to work on a scale from. It's a. It's real terminology. I don't remember what it was. But effectively, like, definitely not true. Or definitely true. And everything in between, he goes. I can't rule out the possibility that Jeffrey Epstein isn't alive, but I would score it as not probable. So not impossible, but not probable. I believe that Andy's report is actually probable. That's just my editorial. Take that as you will. I am definitely on the probable side. I shouldn't say I'm a hundred percent. I think that was. And that didn't make the cut. I think at some point in the final segment where he and I were just talking for an hour about it on camera, I think I did say something like, holy, like, he's definitely alive. Because I'm like, shocked. I feel pretty strongly that he probably is. And I did not feel that way walking in there.

Joey Deef (45:09)

So you remember when you called me after.

Julian Dorey (45:12)

Oh, yeah. So I forgot this during the day, you know, and. And like, I'm with him the whole day. I'm with him on camera too. The crew was like, loving it because they see, like, we have this dynamic. Like, they definitely had the most fun with us with your episode. With us too. Yeah. Because like everyone else they're bringing in, like, he doesn't know or he's meeting for the first time. But like, this guy waterboarded me. Like, we go way back, you know what I mean? So. And we always enjoy with each other and we've always been good sports about that. Ribbing each other. He ribs me on camera all the time. I do as well. Like, in that way it's a good relationship. But throughout the day, when we would take, you know, 10 minute breaks between set, I would like beeline it through the bottom garage outside to where their signal and call Danny Jones deep Alessi and at one point my mom and shout out to the mic guy because he probably had to listen. All this while, I was like, yeah,

Joey Deef (46:12)

you were still going.

Julian Dorey (46:13)

What the is going? You know, I was like freaking out.

Joey Deef (46:17)

I just imagined you. And you called me, like, just doing your pace. Like, I just imagine you walking in a circle.

Julian Dorey (46:22)

Yes.

Joey Deef (46:23)

And I was like, I was at home that day too. So I'm just like pacing around my

Julian Dorey (46:26)

house and I'm like, wow, I believe it, dude. I was pacing like around a dumpster in the parking lot right there. Just like, holy, he's alive. Like, what the.

Joey Deef (46:36)

Yeah, you were fired up. You were really fired up.

Julian Dorey (46:39)

Really. Like, the mic guy was probably back there like, man, he's having a rough one. I was just repeating, should I roll this guy? It wasn't usable because I was just repeating everything we said in there. I was just doing it in a

Joey Deef (46:54)

louder way, except saying expletives in between everything. So he's like, oh, we can't use this.

Julian Dorey (46:59)

But I was already doing that all day, let's face it. That is also why the edit was probably pretty difficult for these guys because, like, at the end of that hour, they were so happy about it. But I was like apologizing. I'm like, guys, I'm from New Jersey. I don't do t. I'm sorry. And they're like, no, no, it's fine. We can fix all that. Like, I'm like, I don't even know what the I said. But there was one other segment I wanted to address, and that was when Dr. Priya came in there. Now she. What is her last name? Priya Banerjee. I want to say her name is. She is a long time. She was a former chief medical examiner, I want to say, in Rhode island or Maryland, one of those two.

Joey Deef (47:39)

It was Maryland.

Julian Dorey (47:40)

Yeah.

Joey Deef (47:40)

Maryland and Rhode Island.

Julian Dorey (47:42)

Yeah, and Rhode Island. And she did that, I think, for like 12 or 13 years straight and then went to TV to be an expert because she had her kid and she wanted to be able to spend more time at home. But she came in after Andy and I had filmed everything I told you about in the cell and afterwards and all that. And then we brought her in with mock ups of, like, a human neck and everything to walk us through it. And we did the same thing to her where we said, here's the prison cell. Let's go in. And what she said. I have to be careful here because there were things said off record as well. What she said on camera. I can't remember everything that made the cut on there, but what she said on record on camera is that the narrative of suicide has a lot of problems. And she walked through injury by injury, all these different things. And this is one place where the 41 minute edit thing is a huge problem because these are such intricate details. We were discussing each detail for 10 minutes apiece.

Joey Deef (48:51)

Yeah, yeah. You miss all that context.

Julian Dorey (48:54)

And when you're just getting three quick medical terms thrown at you and followed by four more and six more and two more, you know, in the span of 90 seconds on a TV edit, it's in one ear. For me, it was in one ear, out the other.

Joey Deef (49:07)

That's how it felt for me, too. It's just like when you. When she started showing the neck thing, I was like, I'm kind of.

Julian Dorey (49:13)

Yeah, yeah. But we went through. We gave her all the binders and everything and showed her the. The discrepancies, which, by the way, I forgot this one. The FBI and the DOJ took pictures of different prison cells.

Joey Deef (49:26)

That's a big problem.

Julian Dorey (49:27)

And he proved that that's a big problem. He was like these. This is not the cell.

Joey Deef (49:32)

Between that and the pancreas, how does that not call for some sort of,

Julian Dorey (49:36)

like, nothing to see here? Def. Yeah, well, obviously.

Joey Deef (49:40)

Obviously not.

Julian Dorey (49:41)

Okay.

Joey Deef (49:42)

That's wild.

Julian Dorey (49:42)

David Rockefeller called us before and personally told us from beyond the grave, they say he's dead. Apparently he's not dead. And said, do not discuss this. So we're not gonna discuss it. Okay.

Joey Deef (49:54)

All right. Or I'll lose my job at JP Morgan.

Julian Dorey (49:57)

That's right. All right. And he started. JP Morgan.

Joey Deef (49:59)

That's right. There you go.

Julian Dorey (50:00)

You're really fucked.

Joey Deef (50:02)

Figuratively and literally.

Julian Dorey (50:05)

Well, the literally part I think you'll enjoy, but more on that. But like I said a few things Dr. Priya said off record. I. I cannot say. What I will say is my observation, because Annie and I were basically, like, sitting there like. Like, you know, good cop, good cop. We were very nice to her, just peppering her with all the information. We'd already gone through, and you could just see her mind, like, holy shit. It. Like. I think she's very doubtful on the suicide part. I. I would say she's very, very doubtful on that. But when we took her in the cell and. And redid all the demonstrations, that didn't make the cut that Annie and I had done earlier. She was just like, no, no, no, that wouldn't work. No, he's got the cont. No, that wouldn't work. Everything was. That wouldn't work. Mm. And we're just like, wow. But I think this is also where, like, Dr. Priya does, like, all mainstream media stuff. And like I said, Andy and I. I'm from the independent world, completely. Andy's literally from the independent world, completely. Do it that way you will. You know, we're used to just fucking letting it fly.

Joey Deef (51:24)

Yeah. Yeah.

Julian Dorey (51:25)

And I think she was really tight on that because this is, like, the most controversial case in mankind's history.

Joey Deef (51:33)

Sure.

Julian Dorey (51:33)

And she wanted. She was worried about getting something wrong. That's how I describe it. Because she was. You know, she had. She had studied the case inside and out. She's discussed it publicly before, but she had gone through the case again fresh before she went in there. But again, then we were showing her new things that, like, she couldn't prep. So that's a. You know, she's a doctor, I'm a podcaster. This is not, you know. Yeah, these do very different things.

Joey Deef (52:01)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (52:01)

But she was excellent and went through everything in. In complete detail and really confirmed, like, again, rule out the suicide completely. It's just not. It's not possible. He did not kill himself. That much I will set in stone at this point. I have no problem saying that. And again, I think there's a strong possibility that they got him out of there. But. Trying to think. We filmed for eight hours. Bill Mercy probably filmed for about four hours with Andy the weekend before. Andy filmed for two or three hours with Dr. G reacts and the New York Post reporter. And then he did the eight hours, by the way, included about three hours with Dr. Priya with us.

Joey Deef (52:52)

So, yeah, 18.

Julian Dorey (52:53)

But then he did a bunch of voiceovers and narrations, probably another couple hours. So in 15 to 20 hours worth of filming, they got it down to 41 minutes. The hope. And this is what Andy and I were discussing that day. I haven't had a chance to talk to him this week to see where he's at with it, but he was hoping that Discovery would give him permission to post longer versions of Stuff on YouTube to promote the show. I hope he is able to do that because like I said, we filmed, we'd have those 10 minute breaks and stuff, but we filmed basically continually without really having to do takes other than to get B roll. And it was a lot of great information, a lot of, A lot of great stuff. I was really impressed with the scope that he had looked at. I was unfamiliar with Andy's game on that for this issue. I mean this used to be you can roll the tape on like the first Diorio Bustamante, sit down with, with Danny Jones and I on concrete 166. Like you used to not even say the word Epstein, but you'd get to a word like blackmail and he would see where you're going and he would get angry and shut it the down. And now he's doing TV episodes about it. So do without what you will. But I do again, I want to give a huge shout out to the production team. They were awesome. And there's one other detail I, I mentioned it that we got it, we got to include in here, which is that the unexpected co star, other co star on the show was our, our dear friend Kurt Metzger. So Discovery sends me the executive, the executive producer of the, of the show, Brad, sends me a text like the day we, we filmed with Kurt Metzger and says, hey man, there's one edit we want to do on the show where we want it to look like you're saying something on your actual podcast for the voiceover. So if I gave you like this short script, would you just do it like you're doing it on a podcast and def. And I like look at each other and we're like, yeah, that's such a TV kind of. We're like, all right, all right, fine, we'll do it. So I take this laptop, I sit in my regular seat like I'm talking to a guest over there and there's like four run on sentences I gotta read. And we have like five minutes to do this. So I'm like thief. I'm not memorizing this. I'm just gonna go like line by line and then we'll pause and I'll find a guest afterwards to like edit in for each of those spots. So we film it real quick. I make it all dramatic, you know, like lean forward, like the thing that's just killing me. And I go outside and I'm like, I wonder who I should put on this. We had just filmed with Kurt Metzger earlier that day. So I'm like, let me see if I can find some Kurt B roll. The problem with Kurt Metzger B roll. Just start off with that is that there's really never a point where he's not talking, including when you're talking. So I can't really find times where his mouth is not moving, which is going to be a problem for cutting to his face in between these lines. Until I scrolled to, I don't know, maybe like, the hour and a half mark on the footage of him and found a spot where in his sunglasses, holding his pipe, six claw. Kurt was ripping his white claw. And I'm like, you know me. I'm such a little. So I was like, yeah, let's do it. So I cut in, like, three different spots. First, the first time I say this, like, really serious line, it cuts to Kurt, and you're gonna see it in a minute. And he, like, rips a claw. And then the next time he's, like, playing with the pipe in the sunglasses. I. I cut it together. I send it to deep. He's crying, and I'm like, I'm gonna send it over to Discovery. They're never gonna accept this, but it. So I send it over to Discovery, and they're like, looks great. And I'm like, they definitely didn't watch it. But then when I was on Danny Jones podcast a couple weeks ago, we talked. I talked about that on air. And Brad, Shout out Brad, the executive producer, sends me a text, goes, listening to you on Danny Jones right now. Fuck yeah. We left the claw in. So this was. Let's. Let's play it deep. This was the footage when you strip away all the noise. The thing I keep coming back to is how strange those final days were. You got a guy who's just been taken off suicide watch in what is supposedly one of the most secure federal institutions in America here. Huge air quotes there. And conveniently, in this secure institution, the cameras aren't working, the guards fall asleep, and nobody's checking on them. Now, we allegedly know a lot about what happened and what didn't happen outside the cell, but after all these years, no one has been able to provide me with a coherent narrative of what happened inside the cell that night. Seeing that, like, you have Andy with very serious voiceover, the dramatic music playing, and then it just cuts to that and white claw. Kurt just gave me so much life. It was the best thing ever. And then they even went and pulled footage of Kurt's episode with Danny Jones where he's wearing the bullet helmet in the sunglasses and it cuts to like, Andy's like narrating to the camera and he's like. And there's even a possibility that maybe he's alive. And it cuts to Kurt Metzger going, oh, yeah, no, he's fucking alive. It's in the files. And then Danny Jones goes, it's in the files. Like, yeah, bro, it's in the files. Dan Jones is like, where is it in the files? And then it just cuts away.

Joey Deef (58:24)

Don't worry about the evidence, we're good.

Julian Dorey (58:26)

But shout out to Kurt. I know the man. I know Kurt is the world's number one fan of Andrew Bustamante. That is certainly a fact that I'm not making up and lying about right now. As in I'm totally lying about that. I hates Andy Bustamante. That made it all the better. So thank you to Uncle Kurt for participating in that episode. And you know, I don't think it got age restricted. Thief. Discovery Channel is age restriction proof, luckily, unlike some other channels. That's good.

Joey Deef (58:58)

It's real good.

Julian Dorey (58:59)

But that is the wrap up of. There's some details I missed. I'll include that in some future episodes. But all in all, I do want to give a huge shout out to everyone. I, I, I don't think stuff was taken out of context or anything like that. They just, as we knew going in, they couldn't include a lot of very important things. So hopefully that's able to be released in the future. But on that note, Deep, apparently there was a suicide note and they're just telling us about this now.

Joey Deef (59:29)

Yeah, I saw that. And it was just very convenient, like everything that just keeps happening in the world.

Julian Dorey (59:33)

Do you have that tweet?

Joey Deef (59:35)

Yeah, I do.

Julian Dorey (59:35)

I want to make sure we get this right, obviously, and read it, but. This was reported on April 30. Breaking new reports have come out of a suicide note purportedly ridded by Jeffrey Epstein in a Manhattan jail has been kept secret for nearly seven years, locked up in a New York courthouse. And one of the attorneys confirmed this, but then didn't comment on it because the records are sealed and everything. But ladies and gentlemen, this is a big moment for the show. Deep, we gotta, we gotta lock in right now. I told you things have been getting more serious around here. We were able to work the phones, do a lot of Biz Def and I were working this for about three days. And we have an exclusive for you right now on Julian Dory podcast. You haven't seen this yet, Deep.

Joey Deef (60:29)

I haven't.

Julian Dorey (60:29)

You've not Seen it, but I gotta get my gloves on first. We. We have the letter. It was given to us, the actual physical form. Oh, wow. Oh, yeah, yeah. No. Big biz.

Joey Deef (60:46)

Big biz.

Julian Dorey (60:48)

I'm not gonna reveal the source who gave this to me. I wouldn't want to burn them. But this is a worldwide exclusive for you guys. I gotta be very careful. It's like handling the Declaration of Independence, you know? But this is it, as you can see. You got that on camera. Deep.

Joey Deef (61:08)

I do.

Julian Dorey (61:10)

Says, hello. It is me, Jeffrey Epstein. I am definitely going to unalive myself. This is totally my handwriting.

Joey Deef (61:23)

That's smart. Just in case anyone thought.

Julian Dorey (61:25)

In case. In case they thought otherwise. Obviously want to handle this delicately. Huge shout out to our source who gave them that. His handwriting looks a lot like mine. That's very strange. But, you know, I have no relation to Jeffrey Epstein. That said, we will continue to monitor the situation on that.

Joey Deef (61:43)

You know what?

Julian Dorey (61:44)

You know what? The what? Fuck these people, all right? Every time the narrative needs to change, they create something that is even strange, stupider, that creates a Streisand effect for all of us to sit here and be like, we know you are feeding us slop. Why do you keep doing it? And why do enough people say, please, thank you. May I have some more? Of course he didn't fucking write a suicide note. Of course they're not holding onto something for seven years that could have proved their whole fucking case. It would've even been in those reports, by the way, the DOJ report. Maybe Dr. G reacts, and someone who's really gone through that, that in depth, could give you a full, better color commentary that. But, like, I am so fucking sick of these people. The system, whatever it is telling us things like this, just to try to act like it's going to go away. Yeah. And sadly, because they keep creating new narratives of important things, by the way. Not for the most part. Not stuff that's, like, not something you should look at, but pushing the narratives to change the story. Epstein's going so bad. Well, maybe we attack Iran. Oh, I don't know. That seems to make sense. Oh, Iran war is going bad. Let's hone in on the missing scientists now. Like, we cover all this stuff, but we don't lose the initial thread here. We have covered the Epstein thing. This is episode 13. We've covered it in every episode. And we have a treasure trove of stuff that we have not gotten to yet, that we've even looked at, to say nothing of all the stuff we haven't even looked at. And the news that continues to come out and mostly get ignored. And I, like I said, I said this last week, a lot of people have been stopping me on the street and saying, you know, keep going. Thank you for, like, looking at this and keeping this alive. And, like, I think that's kind of the least we can do here, you know, yes, we. We're entertainers. We have as much fun as we can with things, obviously, but this is like the most serious thing ever. And the idea that this could get shoved under the rug when it involves every powerful person that seems to exist in our society. No bueno.

Joey Deef (63:49)

No bueno.

Julian Dorey (63:49)

No bueno. We're not doing that. So obviously that's not his real suicide known in case that wasn't painfully obvious. But, you know, it's just disheartening and don't believe any. Any of that stuff. And there's. I, I already have next week. There's about eight things down there deep we're going to be really digging into. We've done a lot on Kathy Rumler. We got to get to Reid Hoffman, the founder of LinkedIn, former PayPal mafia guy. That's one guy we haven't covered yet. Who is knee deep in Jeffrey Epstein. Pause. You know, but we will. We will definitely do that. But on a. On a lighter note, a more fun note, I. I do think it's time to talk about your now employer. Hey, Beef.

Joey Deef (64:40)

I'm excited. I'm honored. I'm ready to work. I'm ready to work.

Julian Dorey (64:44)

He's ready to work.

Joey Deef (64:45)

Blood, sweat, tears and pause.

Julian Dorey (64:50)

That's right. Cannons. Cannons. By the way, J.P. morgan's in the Epstein files. Let's not forget that they flipped the narrative here. I do want to point this out. The narrative has moved from, hey, what the fuck were you doing with Jeffrey Epstein? It's all the way up at the top. The stench is there. Why is there no justice to like now everyone want to work there because they got a little freak. A leak. There's a dominatrix, little frick a lick a liquor department. Now, before I say this, I do need to say doesn't make it any less funny. JP Morgan has not only stood by Lorna Hajdini, who is the woman at the center of this story we will discuss in a minute. But they have firmly denied all the allegations, as has Lorna. The case was even pulled. The filing was pulled back to be. It's like in redo mode because it wasn't even filed correctly by the claimant here. And we're going to discuss all the details if somehow you haven't seen this story in a minute. And, you know, again, they've denied everything and believe the entire thing's a fabrication. And I do think it's saying something that, like, a bank, of all places, is not only not firing the lady, but they're publicly standing by her based on an internal investigation. It's pretty telling about what they think about the claims. This investigation included them reviewing phone records, I believe, like, secure places, like where badges were used, based on what some allegations were, where people were at the same time, all that. And J.P. morgan's like, yeah, no, fam. Lauren is cool as. So shout out to Lauren. I. I think Lauren is going to come out of this.

Joey Deef (66:46)

On top.

Julian Dorey (66:47)

On top. All right. She's obviously keeping her job. I'm sure she's not feeling great about the stuff that's claimed about.

Joey Deef (66:56)

I can't imagine she's feeling too great. I definitely. She's definitely not having a Friday. No, it's not a casual Friday for her. Today she's. She has 30,000 followers follow requests on

Julian Dorey (67:12)

Instagram, including Joey, including me, which was just on a pure spec basis.

Joey Deef (67:17)

Yeah, Just doing research for the show.

Julian Dorey (67:19)

Doing research for the show. Did she accept that? No, she did not.

Joey Deef (67:34)

Oh, God. Biz. I love biz, dude.

Julian Dorey (67:38)

Again, let's get to the totally denied alleged claims that. I ain't gonna lie. It reads like a 50 Shades of Gray. And I want it to be real, but it. I. I think I agree with JP Morgan here. I think this is totally fabricated.

Joey Deef (67:53)

Oh, man.

Julian Dorey (67:54)

For a lot of reasons, which, by the way, you know, we follow the rules around here. So I do have seen as the claimant was Indian. I do have a resident Indian guy, my friend Sognik Basu. Shout out Sognik. Which we're just going to get clearance to be able to discuss this case in a comedic satirical lens from Sognik. I told him I was going to be calling him. Let's just please hold for a minute while we're getting him on the line. Look at that hair. Glasses on point. How's it going? I'm good, man. I'm good. So we're all. You're on air right now. Say hello to the people. Hold on, I can't really hear you. SOG's always got like, Steve got good swag. You catch this guy at like 9am on a Wednesday, like, he's gonna be swagged out. Are we good yet? So. You're walking inside for acoustics I gotcha. I gotcha. That's smart. Okay, so we're on air, and we're about to discuss the J.P. morgan story, which the claimant, who we don't believe at all. We're siding with JP here, obviously, since he's a person of Indian descent, like you. I need the resident Indian guy pass to be able to maybe say some things in a comedic lens in an Indian accent. Is that. Is that cleared? I'm always down to give you any sort of pass, but he might not be Indian, so there's that. So you can take a pass, but you can take a bombshell. Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean he's not Indian? Well, he's not Indian. He's from Nepal, which is. That's the same thing. Isn't Nepal in India? Would you say. Would you say Spain and Portugal. Portugal are the same thing because they're right next to each other. No, absolutely not. Well, case in point.

Joey Deef (69:52)

So canceled.

Julian Dorey (69:53)

Right next to each other, but not the same thing. How do we know he's Nepalese? Because of the name and because of the physiogamy. I can tell. Fizzy. Fizzy Gammy.

Joey Deef (70:04)

Yeah. Only SOG could be on that now.

Julian Dorey (70:06)

Now, what is the con? Is the accents similar? No, it's not unfortunate. I mean, you can still. You can still do, like, a default up wax, and I give you the pass for it. God bless. But you don't want to lie to your fans. I don't want to lie to them. So he's Nepalese. It's almost. So does that mean that the curry joke reference was actually geographically misplaced? Oh, see, like, that's where the nuance kicks in. Now, do Nepali people have food that involves curry? Yes, they do. They do. You can just.

Joey Deef (70:44)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (70:44)

So I'm giving you the ball. You can run with it, Chef. Curry with the shot, boy. That's all I need. All right. Thank you, as always, for your service, sir. You got it. As Anne Hathaway would say, inshallah. That's right. I love it. What's that Tweet? Unguardable at 22, unguardable at 32. Unguardable at 42. And Hathaway Braun.

Joey Deef (71:08)

Yeah, I'll literally.

Julian Dorey (71:09)

That one. But there you go. We. We do have a pass, but that's a real. But we also have a bombshell. That's a curveball. So he's Nepalese.

Joey Deef (71:16)

Nepalese.

Julian Dorey (71:17)

Shout out to.

Joey Deef (71:18)

To Nepal.

Julian Dorey (71:19)

My. Yeah, my Nepal friends out there. My geography in that area of the world. Not too good. More of A Europe and Africa kind of guy.

Joey Deef (71:28)

The Trump. Trump kind of came out there when you said not.

Julian Dorey (71:31)

I'm not too good.

Joey Deef (71:33)

Not great with that area.

Julian Dorey (71:35)

Not great with that area.

Joey Deef (71:36)

They do like curry, though.

Julian Dorey (71:37)

They do like curry, but deep. Can we pull up the initial bombshell Daily Mail report here?

Joey Deef (71:44)

Right here for you.

Julian Dorey (71:45)

I don't think we're getting Erica Kirk today. Sorry, people.

Joey Deef (71:48)

Yeah, I even dressed like her. You didn't notice? I have my hat outside, but I'm all blacked out. Like, someone. Someone said, dude. It was such a nuanced one. They're like, she looks like Dave Attell about to do a set at the Comedy Cellar. And I personally just thought that was killer.

Julian Dorey (72:08)

Yeah, she looked like Eminem was about to fucking spaghetti, mom. Spaghetti something. I don't know. But anyway, so the headline reads, glamorous JP Morgan exec accused of turning married male broker into her office sex slave. Claims of Viagra spiking and litany of obscene forced acts that made him cry. I do want to say, obviously, we're joking about this and the whole Internet is. And righteously so. Any abuse is bad. There is like. I mean, I'll freely admit it. There's a double standard when it comes to, like, a woman abusing a guy. There's a part of me that's kind of thinking, all right, how do you let that happen? Maybe there's a power dynamic, but JP Morgan also disproved that. She. He did not. This guy did not report to her. She didn't have, like, power over him, according to the lawsuit, so that's hilarious. It's like, dude, what the fuck are you doing?

Joey Deef (73:06)

He doesn't. He barely even, like, knows her.

Julian Dorey (73:08)

Also, his new job he's had for the last six months. He left abruptly on April 2. They announced that today. So he's, like, unemployed. The guy sounds like he's fucking going through it personally. I don't know if maybe there's some other medical problems there. I have no idea. It's pure spec right there.

Joey Deef (73:22)

Yeah, but a lot of spec around.

Julian Dorey (73:24)

Let's just start going through this. A JP Morgan executive allegedly used her power to sexually harass and abuse a junior male employee, drugging him, subjecting him to racial abuse, and threatening his career when he refused her advances, according to a lawsuit. Lorna Hejdini, 37, executive director in JP Morgan's Leverage Finance division, very Important division, is accused in the filing of coercing a married banker into non consexual and humiliating sex acts over months. Despite the pleas for her to stop. Her accuser claimed she admitted to drugging him with the date rape drug roofies on multiple occasions and during one encounter berated him as he cried while she performed a sex act on him against his. Well, I'm just picturing John C. Riley and that chick and step brother. Oh, my God. Oh, no. But then he likes it.

Joey Deef (74:09)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (74:10)

You know, and she uses the urinal.

Joey Deef (74:14)

Turn you into a ball

Julian Dorey (74:17)

roll. Yep.

Joey Deef (74:19)

Living there. Crawl around I feel you tickle and I know it's just you.

Julian Dorey (74:24)

The complaint was filed Monday in New York County Supreme Court by a plaintiff proceeding anonymously as John Doe, who claims he chose to hide his name to protect himself and his family after receiving threats. The lawsuit also accuses JP Morgan of enabling the alleged abuse and retaliating against the banker after he reported it, claiming the firm placed him on involuntary leave. They're like, bro, you should have enjoyed it. Destroyed his reputation and allowed threats against him to continue while Hejdini and others went unpunished. Neither Hejdini nor. Well, this is not true. Now updated. Hedgedini did respond through an attorney who categorically denied all the claims. I smell a countersuit coming there. And based on the fact that I don't buy any of this, I firmly am rooting for in that department. But a spokesman for JMC did come out and they, they doubled down. They said, they announced that they had done this investigation. They announced all the details that went into it. They had internally cleared her and they categorically deny all the, all the accusations on her behalf. Which again, like I said earlier, that is a very strong, like, they must be feeling really good about it. As someone who worked at a bank out of college, these places are the most. No one little hair out of place. You're gone. You're gone. They don't care who you are. They don't care if you're one of the biggest producer. You're gone. So, like again, when I saw that, I'm like, bro, they must have every text, every single thing, and makes it very unbelievable. It continues. According to Doe's complaint, HJNI alleged abuse started almost immediately after the pair began working together in the spring of 2024. This is where we're gonna need some color commentary deep as we start going through this.

Joey Deef (76:13)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (76:13)

You know, very, very important details. I want you to put me in these places because I know, like, this is your kink and these are the things you're into.

Joey Deef (76:21)

Yes.

Julian Dorey (76:21)

So you can give some really good first hand analysis of what you would have done in these situations or when you've been on the receiving end of these situations, how it did work out for you in real life. Okay, but Doe, who is Asian Nepalese, according to my friend Sognik, joined, but what's his name was released, by the way. How do you say it? Shirayu Rana. Yeah, we'll get a picture of him a little later. But it was. He was outed, as I said, by New York Post. But Doe, whose agent joined as a senior VP director at that march in 2024, and Hejdini was reported to the team in a senior role the following month. In early May 2024, DOE alleges Hejdini dropped her pen on the floor, the classic pen drop, next to his desk, and while bending to pick it up, rubbed his leg and squeezed his calf. He claims she then remarked, oh, you did play basketball in college. I love basketball players. They get me so wet. I played a little basketball. I've been like, yeah, I was pretty good, Lorna.

Joey Deef (77:25)

I was really. I played the bench. Junior varsity. Didn't happen.

Julian Dorey (77:32)

From there, Doe alleges the advances grew more explicit and frequent. Later, that may do said in the complaint that his Deenie invited him out for drinks, but he declined. In response, she is alleged to have said, if you don't fuck me soon, I'm going to ruin you. Never forget, I fucking own you. Again. I repeat, she was not. He did not report to her in his position.

Joey Deef (77:56)

Now, if he just went for drinks, would. That wouldn't have happened.

Julian Dorey (77:59)

It wouldn't happen.

Joey Deef (78:00)

He could have just went for drinks.

Julian Dorey (78:01)

Gone. She's like, excuse me, like, I'm leaving. Yeah, I'm going home to my wife, fool. Twice, Doe claims that Houdini propositioned him for oral sex in the office, on one occasion asking. And again, for YouTube purposes. We are reading a legal report for educational purposes. This is what was filed in New York Supreme Court. It's not our words. These are words of the complaint. Where was I?

Joey Deef (78:26)

If there's no restriction on the press, the newspapers, then there shouldn't be on this.

Julian Dorey (78:31)

That's right. So Doe claims that his deanie propositioned him for oral sex in the office, on one occasion, asking birthday BJ for the brown boy. My, my little brown boy. Well, Doe claim, well, you're. You're not a brown boy. Def.

Joey Deef (78:50)

Yeah, I could be. If she needs me to. I sure could be.

Julian Dorey (78:55)

While Doe claims he continued to resist her advances, his Deenie allegedly threatened professional retribution, telling him if he wanted to be promoted to executive director, he would need to start Pleasing her, according to the lawsuit. I keep thinking, just as a side note here, I. I wanted. No one knows who the lawyer is. It hasn't been released anywhere because again, they pulled the complaint and I can't get a link to the PDF. Maybe someone can help me in the comments. I really want to know who the lawyer is who wrote this. And I want to. I want to be there. Like, I want to be a fly on the wall in that room while. Chirayu is quoting these complaints.

Joey Deef (79:42)

Yeah, I would imagine that because he's unemployed now, he probably has been, you know, a little downtrodden. Maybe he's, you know, sniffing a little ketamine now. And him and this lawyer.

Julian Dorey (79:53)

Pure spec.

Joey Deef (79:54)

Pure spec. They had this crazy idea. He's like, listen, we could do this.

Julian Dorey (79:58)

You know, I got you, bro. Yeah.

Joey Deef (80:00)

He's like, screw starting a business who's starting a bit.

Julian Dorey (80:03)

Well, sue him. So we'll get 10 million out of JP Morgan in a settlement within 20.

Joey Deef (80:09)

And you know how they justified it.

Julian Dorey (80:11)

Hey, Epstein.

Joey Deef (80:13)

This is the fucking Epstein.

Julian Dorey (80:14)

That's why it's the Epstein.

Joey Deef (80:15)

Let's stick it to them.

Julian Dorey (80:16)

Now they're abusing. Let's stick it, too. They're abusing the brown guys. That's right.

Joey Deef (80:21)

Come on.

Julian Dorey (80:22)

That's right. You're gonna need to earn it. My little Arab boy toy. Doe alleges she told him during a work social event at her private members club. During the same event, her claims she. He claims she repeatedly groped his groin under the table and spat in her hands, running them over his neck and head. That is straight out of Step Brothers.

Joey Deef (80:44)

Yeah, I just.

Julian Dorey (80:46)

Yeah. Eventually, Doe claims the alleged harassment escalated into sexual assault. Two witnesses are cited in the complaint as corroborating parts of his account. Who were those witnesses? Where were they sitting? Take me to their desk. Steve, did you ever have people watching you while women have had their way with you?

Joey Deef (81:08)

Real people or the ones in my head? Because the ones in my head are. There's one there. There's one there. But real ones, I don't know.

Julian Dorey (81:16)

It's not like a cuck kink or something to like, have like, accounting watching this. We do.

Joey Deef (81:21)

No, I do like. You do like people watching.

Julian Dorey (81:24)

Yeah.

Joey Deef (81:24)

Usually we'll. We'll give people armbands. And depending on the color of your armband, that's like, if you're going to watch or you're going to participate.

Julian Dorey (81:32)

Right.

Joey Deef (81:33)

I noticed they said others refused to make a comment. What's that all about?

Julian Dorey (81:41)

I would imagine there's others Involved, I would imagine this is not something you want your name associated with, even if you're friends with. I don't try.

Joey Deef (81:52)

Hey, Joey DeFilippis. Yeah. This shit is. Our bank is losing its shit right now. Why wasn't it me get fired?

Julian Dorey (82:01)

Doe alleges that Hysdini I'm continuing now use escalating threats and racial abuse to coerce him into performing sexual acts. He also claimed that Hishtini admitted to drugging him with the date rape drug and other drugs without his knowledge before some encounters to incapacitate him and facilitate sexual activity. Doe also claimed Hjdini used her executive status to gain unauthorized access to his bank account, count to track his every move. That dude, I am willing to go out on a limb and say that's not possible. That pure spec, but no way. No way they block espn.com@banks. Like, literally, like. Like that. No.

Joey Deef (82:52)

He must be having, like, illusions of grandeur. And, like, he's like, I'm the man.

Julian Dorey (82:56)

Yeah.

Joey Deef (82:56)

And like, he's gonna make sure people know it.

Julian Dorey (82:58)

Yeah.

Joey Deef (82:59)

Maybe because she's going through crazy lengths

Julian Dorey (83:01)

to get at him. Right. I don't know what's crazy. Yeah, I. I don't know. Let's. Let's keep going. All right, Go down. There's Lorna. In the summer of 2024, is claimed that the lawsuit that his Deanie. In the lawsuit that his deanie showed up in an apartment where Doe was staying, knowing he would be there. Inside, she allegedly made sexual advances on Doe, which he rebuffed, insisting he was not interested. Do you want to get promoted at year end or not? She warned him. Do you want a future at JP Morgan? It's that simple. I don't know why you're fighting this.

Joey Deef (83:31)

Just making it sound like to climb the ladder at J.P. morgan, you got to, like, bang, like, higher ups. Like, listen, this is. This is how it goes.

Julian Dorey (83:38)

Works.

Joey Deef (83:38)

Like, she's like. He's literally. It's funny too, to me, because it sounds like they just have these scenarios where she's just, like, begging him, and he's like, hey, nah, I'm good. Listen, two days later, she's like, come

Julian Dorey (83:48)

on, please listen, hussy. Go spin the block on someone else. Feel me? He's like, listen, not today, girl. Yeah, not today. Hasdini then allegedly removed her shirt, began fondling her breasts, and racially insulted Doe's wife, remarking, I bet your little Asian fish head wife doesn't have these cannons. The complaint reads, I just again, fly on the wall.

Joey Deef (84:16)

That's the giveaway.

Julian Dorey (84:19)

I say, lawyer X writing this brief. And she said what? She said she had cannons. And. And my wife had a fish head.

Joey Deef (84:33)

Lawyer's looking at him like.

Julian Dorey (84:35)

He's like, checks out. Yep, we'll put that right in there. Commas around fish head.

Joey Deef (84:39)

10 mil. 10 mil. You just keep saying just money signs, baby cannons.

Julian Dorey (84:44)

Doe claims she then forcibly removed his pants and performed oral sex on him against his will. He continued to protest. Now, this is the part you just. Even if it were true, you never admit this part. And began to cry. Hoshdini allegedly admonished him for crying and scolding him for failing to achieve an erection.

Joey Deef (85:04)

Yeah, there are plenty of women in Brooklyn who love to watch a man crazy. I believe that. I know.

Julian Dorey (85:11)

While he's not actually getting anything going on.

Joey Deef (85:14)

Dude, bro. Yeah, like, some of the shit that people are into with kink is, like, it's wild. Like, it's stuff like that. Well, you'll see. I got one of the memes loaded up. You'll see. You'll see.

Julian Dorey (85:27)

So this checks out to you, Jody?

Joey Deef (85:29)

A hundred percent, dude. But do I think this actually happened in reality? Did it happen in reality?

Julian Dorey (85:34)

Probably not. Probably pure spec.

Joey Deef (85:36)

No,

Julian Dorey (85:39)

checks out. Checks out, happen. Oh, God, I'm this.

Joey Deef (85:45)

I actually really. I feel really bad for this lady. This sucks. Especially like. Like. Like. No, listen, we're laughing, but, like, if this turns out to be true, it's actually just. It's. It's pretty wild. Like, it's horrible, but it's just like. Like, clearly, like, I'm putting. I'm betting the house that this is 100% a fabrication. And this lady, it's just like, how do you bounce back? The countersuit is going to be generational.

Julian Dorey (86:13)

Yeah, I mean, she's gonna make a lot of money.

Joey Deef (86:15)

He's gonna get a divorce. He's gonna lose his wife. He loses everything.

Julian Dorey (86:18)

He lost. He lost. He don't have a job.

Joey Deef (86:23)

He blew it.

Julian Dorey (86:26)

But here's what she said to him. Stop fucking crying. You think anyone would ever believe you? You're a fucking douchebag who thinks he's hot shit, but you can'. Your dick hard for me. What the is this? She then ordered him to perform oral sex on her, ignoring his plea, his pleas of, don't make me do this,

Joey Deef (86:46)

buddy. Buddy.

Julian Dorey (86:50)

Afraid the Mishadini would act on her threats to retaliate against him. Doe, embarrassed and humiliated, complied with her demands. He claims he was assaulted again later that month. During the second encounter, Houdini allegedly ordered him to do It.

Joey Deef (87:05)

Do it, dude.

Julian Dorey (87:06)

To suck on her toes. Pushed him to the ground and sat on his face.

Joey Deef (87:10)

I mean, listen, it's a good view. Every helicopter needs a landing pad, brother.

Julian Dorey (87:18)

That's right. Berating him when he was unable to sustain arousal. I'm very uncomfortable. Please, Lorna. Please, I'm begging you. Doe claims he told her.

Joey Deef (87:26)

How could he talk if she's sitting on his face?

Julian Dorey (87:28)

Yeah.

Joey Deef (87:32)

She's like, what? You're loving it. All right, I'll keep going. God, dude, biz. Jeez. I really. I really hope this isn't true.

Julian Dorey (87:50)

Is there any more in this? I can't keep going, bro.

Joey Deef (87:55)

Ah, my kidney. Ah, my kidney.

Julian Dorey (87:58)

Oh. Oh, my God. Is there anything else, Steve?

Joey Deef (88:01)

I just, you know, him saying, please don't do this to me. Please. Oh. Here.

Julian Dorey (88:07)

She says, I fucking own you. I will make you pay. Do you think you're gonna be in good standing if you don't have me in your corner? She allegedly said. You really think management wants some brown boy Indian leading originations?

Joey Deef (88:19)

Yes.

Julian Dorey (88:21)

Yes, they do.

Joey Deef (88:22)

It's just true.

Julian Dorey (88:23)

If you don't fuck my brains out tonight, I'm gonna sabotage your promotion.

Joey Deef (88:27)

Fearful of retaliation, he relented.

Julian Dorey (88:34)

I did her brains out.

Joey Deef (88:36)

Did he get. I wonder if it was like. Like. It's like a war cry when you're doing that, you know, like, if you're, like, charging the front lines with your sword in battle. Jeez, man.

Julian Dorey (88:53)

His initial protests were overheard by a second witness who was staying in the adjoining room, according to the lawsuit, who.

Joey Deef (88:59)

Who clearly didn't want to comment. They're solid.

Julian Dorey (89:06)

A little more. Doe claims Hoshdini later admitted to drugging him with Rohypnol or roofies and an erection, enabling pharmaceutical substance to ensure he could perform before coerced encounters. Feel fearful of reporting her behavior and allegedly concerned JPMC would not properly investigate his claims, Doe began seeking job opportunities elsewhere in 2024. However, he claims in the complaint that Houdini and other senior management conspired to derail his prospects with aggressively negative references. After learning of his plans to leave in May last year, he delivered a written complaint to JPMC detailing what he described as race and gender based discrimination, harassment, and a pattern of severe sexual abuse. A week later, he claims, the firm began retaliating against him. They received anonymous threatening phone calls from individuals he believes were acting on behalf of Hdini and others, attempting to scare him into silence, according to the complaint. Just wait till you're back in New York, brown boy. One caller allegedly told him, you better Stay away, snitch. On June 9, he said he received a voicemail from someone claiming to be a manager telling him that he wasn't welcome because of his skin color, adding the people don't want your kind here. Another one threatened to call ICE about him and his family. I mean, he's hitting the checklist.

Joey Deef (90:22)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (90:22)

I mean, every possible thing go down, you gotta.

Joey Deef (90:25)

You're going for the big.

Julian Dorey (90:26)

Is this almost done?

Joey Deef (90:27)

I I, no, look at where the cursor is. Jesus.

Julian Dorey (90:32)

Keep going. He's all right. All right. No, it is done.

Joey Deef (90:35)

It's just there's so many comments. There's so many after the article.

Julian Dorey (90:40)

But if there's another link there. Our boy got caught talking to a chatbot.

Joey Deef (90:45)

Dude, I'm so glad you got that.

Julian Dorey (90:47)

Yeah.

Joey Deef (90:48)

Because I was gonna mention that.

Julian Dorey (90:49)

Yeah, he got caught talking to a chatbot.

Joey Deef (90:51)

Yeah, it's not good. Not good.

Julian Dorey (90:53)

So can we go down to this, to the screenshot? He called it Morgan Stanley instead of J.P. morgan. He was trying to really cover his tracks. But then when asked for his name by the chat bot, he did use his real name. If you go, that's him.

Joey Deef (91:07)

He looks like Toon. Toon Tun Sahur.

Julian Dorey (91:09)

Yeah. That is, I think it would know. Is that the guy from Slumdog Millionaire?

Joey Deef (91:13)

No, no, no. Toon.

Julian Dorey (91:15)

Toon.

Joey Deef (91:15)

Toon Sahur. Is this. Is this meme and he's like a brain slop guy.

Julian Dorey (91:20)

Oh, he looks a lot like him.

Joey Deef (91:26)

Dude, that's actually crazy how much he looks like him.

Julian Dorey (91:29)

Look at that

Joey Deef (91:33)

dude. That's insane.

Julian Dorey (91:35)

Okay, I think it was KFC at barstool who said, this is the wildest reveal since. Oh, my God. Who was it?

Joey Deef (91:45)

I know you're talking. I saw that.

Julian Dorey (91:46)

Golden State Killer or something like that. I don't remember. It was something funny. I ruined the joke. But can you. Can you go down to the screenshot of the chat bot?

Joey Deef (91:55)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (91:56)

So people can see that this is him. He goes to ask a lawyer chat bot, which is exactly where I would go with claims this serious and said I was r worded. What are we doing bleeping outwards at this point? Sexually assaulted, harassed, and forced to do drugs by my former boss at Morgan Stanley. And I believe he refers in the chat bot to the boss as a man instead of a woman. Am I right about that? So he changed the gender and was like, describing trying to figure out what he could do. It's a mess. The whole thing's a mess. But it was a very unifying moment. Thief. It was as good A day in a positive, laughing, comedic sense, as I've seen on X in ages.

Joey Deef (92:45)

You. You are the fifth or sixth person to say that, along with me and others. Like, there was something in the air yesterday because there was also all the winoa rider stuff going on. There was so much stuff going on that I was on X all day, laughing. It was great.

Julian Dorey (93:02)

It was amazing.

Joey Deef (93:02)

It was amazing.

Julian Dorey (93:03)

It's good for you. Let's get some of the memes up.

Joey Deef (93:05)

All right, it's time.

Julian Dorey (93:07)

Do we have a Stu finer?

Joey Deef (93:09)

Yeah, there's a Stu finer in there. This was a fun one, your first

Julian Dorey (93:13)

day at JP Morgan.

Joey Deef (93:16)

Yeah, this is the Stu finer one.

Julian Dorey (93:21)

POV, you just got hired at JP Morgan. Let's get Stu some sound. Stu from episode 357. If you know, you know, Real 15. 15:30 moment for JP.

Joey Deef (93:36)

Sure.

Julian Dorey (93:36)

That's an. If you know, you know, definitely the wildest clip.

Joey Deef (93:41)

We got two more in here.

Julian Dorey (93:42)

This is.

Joey Deef (93:43)

This is what I was trying to show you. So this is a great. This is a great example of that. There are people who like, yeah, I

Julian Dorey (93:50)

don't think we can show this thief. No. Yeah, it's gonna get demonetized.

Joey Deef (93:53)

Okay. Yeah, it makes sense.

Julian Dorey (93:55)

But it is a dominatrix.

Joey Deef (93:56)

Yeah. With her. With her puppy.

Julian Dorey (93:58)

Yeah.

Joey Deef (93:58)

That's what you would call that man right there. He's a pup.

Julian Dorey (94:01)

Yep.

Joey Deef (94:02)

Get on your bed.

Julian Dorey (94:03)

Yep.

Joey Deef (94:03)

Eat a treat.

Julian Dorey (94:04)

Eat a treat.

Joey Deef (94:05)

This is my fave pov.

Julian Dorey (94:08)

You're. Pov? You're a junior banker, JB Morgan, and your MD wants to have a performance check.

Joey Deef (94:22)

I mean, that crush, dude. 3.2 mil. That's a good one. Shout out. Velvet Milkman. It's moments like these that actually do give me a little hope for the world. Even though the case involves sexual assault, which, you know, it's not good, but, like, the fun that has came out of this and like the day of laughter, this, it does give me a little bit of hope. And I mean that very unironically.

Julian Dorey (94:50)

It's a big day for banks.

Joey Deef (94:52)

Well, you gotta have your money somewhere.

Julian Dorey (94:54)

It's a big day for banks. This is.

Joey Deef (94:57)

I was driving into the Holland Tunnel earlier, and the JP Morgan Chase building is right there as you're driving.

Julian Dorey (95:03)

Oh, yeah.

Joey Deef (95:04)

Just looking up at it like, man, yeah. That place holds secrets.

Julian Dorey (95:14)

We will do the FISA stuff next week. I'm sorry to say we might get to that today. There was just too much on the bone. And we'll probably do some Erica Kirk next week because, again, I sat that one out for A long time. You can't sit it out anymore. It. It is what it is. It is off in every possible way and really just like, you know, sad.

Joey Deef (95:41)

Yeah, that's probably, that's the most.

Julian Dorey (95:43)

We didn't even talk about the White House correspondence that are in the shit that happened. But Jack Mack and I did in episode 416 that came out today. Which means yesterday, when you're watching this on Friday, certainly wild times. I do want to talk about this whole fucking ballroom thing at some point too because just seems like a real knee jerk go to line that they've thrown out for months now.

Joey Deef (96:10)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (96:10)

With.

Joey Deef (96:10)

Without getting like heady or anything. I just think if you're, if you look at it logically, it just seems strange the way it's like they always have to like slip it in there.

Julian Dorey (96:19)

It's very off. Yeah, it's just very off. It's been a real talking point for Trump too. Yeah, I just, I don't like it. It smells so. We will get to all that. Thank you for being patient with the laughs today. Again. If for some reason that's all true, we in the future will apologize for that. But I don't believe a fucking word of that.

Joey Deef (96:41)

That'll be my first front facing video I'll have to make. Hey guys, this is D from Julian Dorsey. Yeah.

Julian Dorey (96:48)

Shout out to Lorna. You know.

Joey Deef (96:50)

Yeah. Good luck.

Julian Dorey (96:51)

Good luck. And I'm sorry that happened to you because. But in the right ways, through things you didn't do, you're going to be a. Let. It's going to get better.

Joey Deef (97:03)

Yeah.

Julian Dorey (97:04)

You're going to be a legend from this. Yeah, I don't really know.

Joey Deef (97:07)

You know, it's, it's, it's, it's not about where you're going, it's about where you end up.

Julian Dorey (97:12)

That's right. You know that's right. The road to hell is paved. The road to heaven is paved with hell. Yeah, I just came up with that.

Joey Deef (97:21)

If you want to be a tree that grows to heaven, your roots must be rooted in hell.

Julian Dorey (97:27)

On that note, Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. He's probably still alive. And we will see you guys next week. Give it a thought. Get back to me. Peace. What's up guys? Thanks so much for watching the video. If you have not subscribed, please hit that subscribe button before you leave. As well as leaving a like on the video. It's a huge, huge help. You can join my Patreon via the link in the description and you can also join my clipping community via the Discord link down below. See you for the next episode. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile with a message for everyone paying big wireless way too much. Please, for the love of everything good in this world, stop with Mint. You can get premium wireless for just $15 a month, of course, if you enjoy overpaying. No judgments. But that's weird. Okay, one judgment anyway. Give it a try@mintmobile.com Switch upfront payment

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